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RetroName
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"Roman Polanski arrested in Switzerland"


  

          

don't have any english link yet.

that's some bullshit. polanski for sure has been to switzerland before and nothing happened. proabably some new DA tries to get some fame.

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the dude did drug and rape a 14 year old
Sep 27th 2009
1
it is in question whether it was rape or not
Sep 27th 2009
2
      didnt he plead guilty
Sep 27th 2009
4
      he plead guilty to having sex with her
Sep 27th 2009
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           RE: he plead guilty to having sex with her
Sep 27th 2009
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           he was a grown man who had sex with a child...
Sep 27th 2009
8
           You know that's still rape, right?
Sep 27th 2009
20
      to whom?
Sep 27th 2009
5
      RE: it is in question whether it was rape or not
Sep 27th 2009
10
           i guess i know enough facts about this case
Sep 27th 2009
12
                what you are missing is that a 14 year old can't consent...
Sep 27th 2009
15
                RetroName is in Poland?
Sep 28th 2009
35
                Not that obvious.
Sep 28th 2009
48
                     RE: Not that obvious.
Sep 29th 2009
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                Not to defend pedos but some of you seem to be talking as if
Oct 01st 2009
133
                RE: i guess i know enough facts about this case
Sep 27th 2009
25
                I'm not offended easily, but damn you know?
Sep 27th 2009
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                >he should be punished accordingly.
Sep 28th 2009
36
link:
Sep 27th 2009
3
oh he already pled guilty to that crime and then he fled
Sep 27th 2009
9
Wait, you're from Poland?
Sep 27th 2009
11
GOOD. No sympathy for that man at all
Sep 27th 2009
13
The victim urged judges to dismiss the 30-year-old case. (link)
Sep 27th 2009
14
doesn't matter. nm
Sep 27th 2009
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RE: doesn't matter. nm
Sep 27th 2009
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it really doesn't...
Sep 27th 2009
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      Exactly
Sep 27th 2009
21
"said that publishing details of the case continues to cause "harm" to h...
Sep 28th 2009
37
RE: The victim urged judges to dismiss the 30-year-old case. (link)
Sep 29th 2009
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Victims are always trying to get charges dismissed
Sep 30th 2009
122
Fade In. INT. - FEDERAL POUND ME IN THE ASS PRISON
Sep 27th 2009
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RE: Roman Polanski arrested in Switzerland
Sep 27th 2009
22
He can tell that shit to the prison therapist.
Sep 27th 2009
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http://www.musicman.com/pol/rose.gif
Sep 27th 2009
31
how many convicted child molesters had horrible lives?
Sep 28th 2009
52
So if my parents were murdered i get free access to underage sex?
Sep 29th 2009
64
Good
Sep 27th 2009
24
Hypocrites
Sep 27th 2009
26
Lame and too late, guy.
Sep 27th 2009
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RE: Lame and too late, guy.
Sep 28th 2009
42
      But you are lame. Guy.
Sep 28th 2009
50
           LOL......white on white crime.
Oct 02nd 2009
145
fantastic
Sep 28th 2009
41
*applause*
Oct 07th 2009
151
she wanted it tho (c) defense lawyer
Sep 27th 2009
27
http://imgur.com/XPE1b.png
Sep 27th 2009
29
well...damn.
Sep 27th 2009
30
Obama will NOT pardon him
Sep 27th 2009
32
It's a fucked up case, and he's a fucked up dude.
Sep 28th 2009
34
Cosign. Molesting a child will never fly in my book and...
Sep 30th 2009
126
Why trip when they allowed Jerry Lee Lewis in Rock & Roll HOF
Sep 28th 2009
38
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/i...
Sep 28th 2009
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Because no one you mentioned RAPED anyone.
Sep 28th 2009
40
Okay u right, Im no your side now
Sep 28th 2009
44
      it not that she no longer cares
Sep 29th 2009
57
did either of them rape and drug anyone?
Sep 28th 2009
43
Statutory rape, yes. Drug, no but see post 44
Sep 28th 2009
45
well to be fair
Sep 28th 2009
53
see also Chaplin, Charlie
Sep 30th 2009
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Interesting how there is clearly a european vs. American divide...
Sep 28th 2009
46
bit scary as well
Sep 29th 2009
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      I can't speak for the whole of Europe
Sep 29th 2009
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worst thing in original poster said:
Sep 28th 2009
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He made Chintatown. Chinatown.
Sep 28th 2009
49
He also made "The Ninth Gate"
Sep 29th 2009
59
fuck him
Sep 28th 2009
51
lock his ass up
Sep 28th 2009
54
backwards-ass europee-ons
Sep 28th 2009
55
yet if someone speaks out on muslims abusing women you get mad.
Sep 29th 2009
60
ooohkay
Sep 29th 2009
82
      from a long time ago
Sep 29th 2009
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           nope
Sep 30th 2009
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                i doubt it.
Oct 01st 2009
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                nah, you were saying pretty run of the mill knee-jerk reactionary stuff
Oct 08th 2009
179
ages of legal marriage in U.S. states
Sep 30th 2009
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      they condone rape for those ages?
Sep 30th 2009
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           we have some backward-ass laws as well
Sep 30th 2009
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                tell that to sharon tates sister
Sep 30th 2009
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                     sure
Sep 30th 2009
131
                          LMAO
Oct 08th 2009
180
Damn RetroName, comeback and defend your post
Sep 29th 2009
61
lol ok
Sep 29th 2009
65
      no worries, we are
Sep 29th 2009
71
      This is my last time coming at you, I swear.
Sep 30th 2009
94
Scorcese, Woody Allen, Arnofsky and more sign petition for his release:
Sep 29th 2009
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damn, I wish I hadn't read that Monica Bellucci signed that
Sep 29th 2009
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I for one am shocked Woody Allen would condone such behavior
Sep 29th 2009
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*looks for R Kelly signature*
Sep 29th 2009
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He's busy producing the posse cut for Perv Aid '09
Sep 29th 2009
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well to be fair
Sep 29th 2009
79
      why is it sick?
Sep 30th 2009
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           It's sick b/c he was her father figure for many years
Sep 30th 2009
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                it was not many years
Oct 02nd 2009
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                     Or maybe b/c she's adopted she has an Electra complex
Oct 02nd 2009
147
wait what?
Sep 29th 2009
73
WTF do they mean by this?:
Sep 29th 2009
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LOL seriously, now I know how right-wingers feel when they criticize
Sep 29th 2009
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I think they're referring to the fact that...
Sep 30th 2009
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      and?
Sep 30th 2009
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      it doesn't excuse his crime
Sep 30th 2009
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           again priorities
Sep 30th 2009
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                they're artists
Sep 30th 2009
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                     WTF???????????????????????????????????
Sep 30th 2009
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                     no.
Sep 30th 2009
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      and? that's just as dumb
Sep 30th 2009
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you'll have to boycott a lot of people
Sep 30th 2009
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      And I god damn intend too!
Oct 01st 2009
135
everyone needs to save the pedo label for actual pedo
Sep 29th 2009
67
he drugged and raped a middle school girl
Sep 29th 2009
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the point is, it's actually
Sep 29th 2009
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      you want to quibble over a 13 year old girls barely developed
Sep 29th 2009
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      he's a disturbed sick person, pedophiles are disturbed sick people
Sep 29th 2009
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           it appears that he is, or at least once was, and yes the distinction
Sep 30th 2009
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Hebephilia n/m
Sep 29th 2009
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that's a little more accurate
Sep 30th 2009
85
ok he's not a pedo, he's a child date rapist
Sep 29th 2009
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i would definitely agree with date rapist.
Sep 30th 2009
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      STFU, just b/c I flipped what your saying to what you're truly saying
Sep 30th 2009
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           calm your hormones, and that was nowhere near what i was truly saying
Sep 30th 2009
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                I never said I get to decide what a person thinks
Sep 30th 2009
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Wait, how do you know the girl wasn't prepubescent?
Sep 30th 2009
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      this is a very important point
Sep 30th 2009
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           uuh, thanks for the...commendation
Sep 30th 2009
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                there's stil a slight misfire here
Sep 30th 2009
123
It's getting too academic here
Sep 30th 2009
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by your logic
Sep 30th 2009
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are you saying this law is wrong?
Sep 30th 2009
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      I am not
Sep 30th 2009
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           if you agree with that law and polanski broke that particualr law
Sep 30th 2009
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                legally speaking
Sep 30th 2009
115
                     Firstly
Sep 30th 2009
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it seems some people are skimming and missing my point
Sep 30th 2009
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      I'm cool with this
Sep 30th 2009
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           RE: I'm cool with this
Oct 02nd 2009
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Sharon Tate's sister: Polanski won't get fair trial in US
Sep 30th 2009
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Well maybe he should have annally raped and drugged a 13yr in France
Sep 30th 2009
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I am amazed @ what I am reading. 13 year old dudes!!!!
Sep 30th 2009
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Thank you
Oct 07th 2009
159
Marcia Clark's piece &amp; a question
Sep 30th 2009
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Some comical shit from Hollywood:
Sep 30th 2009
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I work in Hollywood.
Sep 30th 2009
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whoopi also?!
Sep 30th 2009
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      I know. What if a dude said "it's not RAPE rape"?
Oct 01st 2009
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Maybe my favorite photoshop ever:
Oct 01st 2009
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lmao!!
Oct 01st 2009
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/the-good-kind-of-rape_b_3...
Oct 01st 2009
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Dude should be de-balled.
Oct 01st 2009
137
this self-righteousness is disgusting
Oct 02nd 2009
141
This is really unbelievable to me!
Oct 02nd 2009
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Amen
Oct 02nd 2009
143
your idiocy is disgusting
Oct 02nd 2009
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Well first of all it's not a civil case so she's not the prosecution
Oct 02nd 2009
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The perpetrator, a threat to no one? You're a fucking idiot.
Oct 07th 2009
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let's cut the shit...she said NO...repeatedly
Oct 04th 2009
149
Josh Olson strikes again: Swipe on the alleged "Hollywood support"
Oct 06th 2009
150
I thought a History of Violence was terrible
Oct 07th 2009
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      Uh... YEAH, it is defensive
Oct 07th 2009
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           I suppose I can see that
Oct 07th 2009
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                Janeanne Garafalo spoke to that point on Bill Maher last Friday
Oct 07th 2009
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Ok, now how many of you think he's still a threat to society?
Oct 07th 2009
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Punishment isn't just about protecting society
Oct 07th 2009
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dude has a clean sheet for 32 years. 32 YEARS.
Oct 07th 2009
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"That was weeks ago motherfucker!" (c) Rick James
Oct 07th 2009
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"Enough with this rush to judgement" (c) Tony Soprano
Oct 07th 2009
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      Nothing personal man...
Oct 07th 2009
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that is completely fucking irrelevant to whether he should be imprisoned
Oct 07th 2009
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      i think it will be when it will come to an actual sentence
Oct 07th 2009
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      give his prison cell to a guy who's raping girls RIGHT NOW
Oct 07th 2009
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           It's not like they don't have room for both
Oct 08th 2009
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I don't think he's a threat now, but he needs to have his day in
Oct 07th 2009
173
Bernard-Henri Levy: On the Polanski Affair (swipe)
Oct 07th 2009
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This man's reasoning....
Oct 07th 2009
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^^^All of the above is correct^^^
Oct 07th 2009
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there were *no* interesting points in that article.
Oct 07th 2009
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pretty much
Oct 07th 2009
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*eats Freedom Fries while reading*
Oct 07th 2009
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ok, what do YOU think should happen next?
Oct 07th 2009
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I don't know what US statutes say
Oct 07th 2009
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youre a motherfucking idiot....flat out....
Oct 07th 2009
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      none, but thanks for asking
Oct 08th 2009
178

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1. "the dude did drug and rape a 14 year old"
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you gonna give him a pass cause you like his films?
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RetroName
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2. "it is in question whether it was rape or not"
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but nevermind that, everybody deserves to have a fair trial. he didn't.

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4. "didnt he plead guilty"
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I mean, he was in his 40's, she was 13, fuck him.

  

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RetroName
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6. "he plead guilty to having sex with her"
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that's it.
i'm not defending the guy, he shouldn't have sex with her at all, but the judge didn't repsect the agreement and probably would give him even 50 years in prison. that's insane.

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7. "RE: he plead guilty to having sex with her"
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>that's it.
>i'm not defending the guy, he shouldn't have sex with her at
>all, but the judge didn't repsect the agreement and probably
>would give him even 50 years in prison. that's insane.

he had sex with a 13 year old, he was 43. The judge didnt respect what agreement, the one between them? I dont really have too much sympathy for him, if he gets 50 he gets 50. He drugged and raped a 13yo, then basically got away with it, that's insane.

  

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8. "he was a grown man who had sex with a child..."
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how is this okay to anyone?
at the VERY least it's statutory (if she "agreed") rape, which is still rape.

who has sympathy for old pervs? if anything, judges and juries are too lenient on pedophiles (which he IS even if she agreed)

i tell you what, when your 13 year old daughter comes home with a 43 year old man, make sure you treat him "fairly"

  

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20. "You know that's still rape, right?"
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13 year olds can't give consent. The thing about thirteen-year-olds is that they're only thirteen years old.

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5. "to whom?"
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she was 13.

that's rape.

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10. "RE: it is in question whether it was rape or not"
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>but nevermind that, everybody deserves to have a fair trial.
>he didn't.

How about this: Read up on the facts, consider the age of consent, and consider if you want to retract or revise anything you've said in this post.
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12. "i guess i know enough facts about this case"
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he plead guilty to having sex with her, she agreed. so the actual term rape is not in place here. that's a fact, isn't it? if he was really guilty on all charges, then what's wrong with american justice system that they said it's ok to plead guilty to just one charge? and it was the minor one, right?
like i said before i'm not defending him and you won't make me say that it was ok for him to do, cause it's clearly was not, even when the victim already posed nude before, already been drunk before, already did drugs before and already had sex before. he should be punished accordingly. i'm just saying that the all of this is not that clear to me to just say 'fuck him, he's a pedophile'.
also, nevermind the case itself, i wonder what make them arrest him right now. he has been to switzerland plenty times and has a winter home there.

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15. "what you are missing is that a 14 year old can't consent..."
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to sex with an adult. At least not in the US. That's considered rape in the US.

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35. "RetroName is in Poland?"
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where the age of consent is 15
obviously he would have a different
take on the age thing than us Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Poland

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48. "Not that obvious."
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I'm pretty sure its illegal for a 40 year old to have sex with a 13 year old in Poland.

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75. "RE: Not that obvious."
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>I'm pretty sure its illegal for a 40 year old to have sex
>with a 13 year old in Poland.
>

but not her 15 year old sister!

just sayin

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133. "Not to defend pedos but some of you seem to be talking as if"
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there would be no difference between someone grabbing and holding down a 13 year old and raping them by force and if the 13 year old initiated it and wanted to have sex with someone...

clearly i think there should be a harsher punishment for someone who forcefully rapes a crying 13 year old against their will than someone who has sex with a 13 year old that wanted to have sex

Not that Polanski seems to be either of those extremes, it seems like he was somewhere inbetween...

  

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25. "RE: i guess i know enough facts about this case"
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>>even when the victim already posed nude before, already been
>drunk before, already did drugs before and already had sex
>before.

and? You're really going to go there and use that archaic mindset? smh

  

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28. "I'm not offended easily, but damn you know?"
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That was some grotesque shit, that paragraph.

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36. ">he should be punished accordingly."
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and he ran out
for years matter o fact

you're copping mad pleas for the bottom line on this
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3. "link:"
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1007611/1/.html

if he did do the crime... hes gotta do the time. simple as that

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9. "oh he already pled guilty to that crime and then he fled"
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so they finally caught up to him.

GOOD.

  

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11. "Wait, you're from Poland?"
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Is this why you're defended him?

  

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13. "GOOD. No sympathy for that man at all"
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14. "The victim urged judges to dismiss the 30-year-old case. (link)"
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http://www.wowowow.com/post/director-roman-polanski-rape-victim-samantha-geimer-urges-court-dismiss-case-172796

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16. "doesn't matter. nm"
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17. "RE: doesn't matter. nm"
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Agreed. There also have to be additional charges for fleeing. If doesn't do the time then there are clearly two justice systems in this country.

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18. "it really doesn't..."
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...just cause she thought, and still thinks, it was ok, doesn't make it so....statutory is statutory....

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21. "Exactly"
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I mean just b/c she has come to terms with it, doesn't mean he's off the hook. Who knows how many times he's done it before or even after. He's obviously a sick individual and ppl only defend him b/c he's a filmmaker. Regardless if he made some of the greatest films ever doesn't mean he should be treated anything less than fair.

  

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37. ""said that publishing details of the case continues to cause "harm" to h..."
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not because he's innocent

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56. "RE: The victim urged judges to dismiss the 30-year-old case. (link)"
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Yah but I've also read that she had brought forth a civil suit against Polanski which was settled out-of-court for an undisclosed amount....

so she's been paid off...and quite possibly, still receiving money from him. It's also quite possible that her public support of him is a condition for recieving this money. If she honestly thought he should be exonerated, then she wouldn't have started the civil suit.

Love the movies...but the man needs to go to jail.

  

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122. "Victims are always trying to get charges dismissed"
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doesn't make it right.

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19. "Fade In. INT. - FEDERAL POUND ME IN THE ASS PRISON"
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22. "RE: Roman Polanski arrested in Switzerland"
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Look, he's clearly a creep for fucking a 13 year old, but his mom was slaughtered in Auschwitz and his wife was murdered by Charles Manson. That's gotta count for something.

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23. " He can tell that shit to the prison therapist."
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>Look, he's clearly a creep for fucking a 13 year old, but his
>mom was slaughtered in Auschwitz and his wife was murdered by
>Charles Manson. That's gotta count for something.

  

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52. "how many convicted child molesters had horrible lives?"
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maybe we should let them go

  

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64. "So if my parents were murdered i get free access to underage sex?"
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24. "Good"
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Always found it a bit disgraceful people have just accepted him fleeing that charge. What the hell?

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26. "Hypocrites"
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If it was Spike Lee you wouldn't be able to defend him fast enough. Polanski is just another innocent white man that has been railroaded by the American justice system

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33. "Lame and too late, guy. "
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42. "RE: Lame and too late, guy. "
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I'm not your guy, friend.

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50. "But you are lame. Guy. "
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>I'm not your guy, friend.

  

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145. "LOL......white on white crime."
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41. "fantastic"
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151. "*applause*"
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27. "she wanted it tho (c) defense lawyer"
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29. "http://imgur.com/XPE1b.png"
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30. "well...damn. "
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34. "It's a fucked up case, and he's a fucked up dude."
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Having had your parents slaughtered in Auschwitz and your wife and child killed in one of the most infamous crimes of all time will do that to you. That being said I like Chinatown and The Pianist as much as the next dude, but he is a total scumbag who does deserve to go to prison.

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126. "Cosign. Molesting a child will never fly in my book and..."
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...fuck Hollywood for defending him, especially Woody Allen.

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38. "Why trip when they allowed Jerry Lee Lewis in Rock & Roll HOF"
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and Elvis is worshipped as one of the greatest and they never bring up that Pricilla was 14, he 24 when they started their relationship

Kind of agree with the hypocrite statement above

  

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39. "http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/i..."
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http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/28/polanski_arrest/index.html

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40. "Because no one you mentioned RAPED anyone."
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First and foremost. Are those two you named fucked up? Yes. And one of them, even though in the HoF, lost his career over marrying an underaged girl he loved. Shit, Kells pissed on a chick and dropped number one albums.

But none of them forcefully drugged and sodomized a 13 year old girl.

EDIT: Not to mention.... Polanski got a lifetime achievement Oscar, which is equal to a HoF induction, so... don't cry for him, Argentina.

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44. "Okay u right, Im no your side now"
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I didn't know details and for some reason thought this was consentual also, which is still wrong but no more than the two instances I put up.

Yeah, drugging and raping her without consent deserves punishment even if she has been financially compensated and no longer cares.

  

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57. "it not that she no longer cares"
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it's that they fuck this up
and continuing to bring this up disrupts her and her families lives
it's hurting her more than it hurts polanski at this point
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43. "did either of them rape and drug anyone?"
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45. "Statutory rape, yes. Drug, no but see post 44"
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as I changed my tune

  

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53. "well to be fair"
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Most ppl I'm sure wouldn't be against those ppl being charged for what they did. Plus most ppl worship those ppl's music and not necessarily them as an actual person. U should always separate the art from the artist otherwise u'll almost always run into problems.

  

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93. "see also Chaplin, Charlie"
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46. "Interesting how there is clearly a european vs. American divide..."
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on this issue.


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58. "bit scary as well"
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i feel sorry for their underage girls
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66. "I can't speak for the whole of Europe"
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But here in the UK there's an overhyped fear of paedophilia. Almost hysterical. Came about mostly from a few high profile rapes and murders in the past 5-6 years. We're not all like those crazy Poles (only kidding Polish people - I KNOW you're not a nation of idiots).

Forgetting any US-Europe divide, I find it baffling that anyone would defend Polanski on this. Saw someone say "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". COuldn't put it better myself. I don't give a fuck how long ago it was, whether his victim doesn't want him charged, what his family history is, or what he's done for cinema - he has to pay the price for fucking paedophilia. No argument.

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47. "worst thing in original poster said:"
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>that's some bullshit.

Fuck you talkin about dude?

There is no such thing as a 13 y.o. truly offering legit consent.

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49. "He made Chintatown. Chinatown."
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59. "He also made "The Ninth Gate" "
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and someone NEEDS to pay for that monstrosity.

  

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51. "fuck him"
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54. "lock his ass up"
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55. "backwards-ass europee-ons"
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60. "yet if someone speaks out on muslims abusing women you get mad."
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ironic.

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84. "from a long time ago"
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but, yup.

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127. "nope"
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but i'm sure what i was saying was over your head regardless.

  

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138. "i doubt it."
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i don't think you know who(40th) you're talking to... lol @ fucking Islam. oh man.. c ya

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179. "nah, you were saying pretty run of the mill knee-jerk reactionary stuff"
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nothing very sophisticated at all, unsurprisingly.

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98. "ages of legal marriage in U.S. states"
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(many require parental consent, but still)

Alabama - 14

Hawaii - 15

Michigan - "Applicants under the age of 15 with parental consent and probate court permission. "

Minnesota - 15, "Applicants younger than 15 needs the written consent of a parent of guardian and the consent of a juvenile court judge."

Mississippi - females 15

New Hampshire - female 13, male 14

North Carolina - 14

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105. "they condone rape for those ages?"
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>(many require parental consent, but still)

or does it require parental consent as well?
wtf are you typing on about?
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109. "we have some backward-ass laws as well"
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Making this an America vs. Europe issue is silly.

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112. "tell that to sharon tates sister"
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>Making this an America vs. Europe issue is silly.


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131. "sure"
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If you're reading, Sharon Tate's sister, it ain't about Europe vs. America.

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180. "LMAO"
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>If you're reading, Sharon Tate's sister, it ain't about
>Europe vs. America.

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61. "Damn RetroName, comeback and defend your post"
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65. "lol ok"
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my initial argue was about the word rape. as i understand rape is when you force someone into sex using violence. there wasn't anything like that there, so i just presented counterpoint to someone who posted that he raped her. now, i don't know a law like that, i didn't know that sex with someone under 14 (which is foul as fuck) is AUTOMATICALLY a rape. but then again, if it's AUTOMATICALLY considered a rape, how come polanski had even an option to plead guilty to minor charge - unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor? he shouldn't had, right?

the 'bullshit' comment was about arrest itself. after 31 years. it's not like americans were chasing him, after him, or even pushing france to extradict him. they didn't do shit throughout all these years. so i understood there was some mutual agreement as 'stick to these countries, but if you visit those - then you're fucked'. i was just surprised why now? why in switzerland? he was there in and out couple of times during a year.

to those throwing all these nasty details? that's some sick shit, i admit of course. but you also have to remember (if you wanna be just a little bit objective, cause you want to, don't you?) that's her testimony, that was never questioned by polanski's lawyers since there was no trial. his version (i believe he described it in his autobiography) is different. the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. now, is 44-year old guy having sex with a 13-year old girl even with consent ok? hell fucking no. and i write it for the 4th time, i guess, that i'm not defending him on that.

y'all came a little bit hard at me. i hope you all are like that in those r kelly's posts.

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71. "no worries, we are"
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>y'all came a little bit hard at me. i hope you all are like
>that in those r kelly's posts.

also a term has come about because of kelly
no kells
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94. "This is my last time coming at you, I swear. "
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>my initial argue was about the word rape. as i understand
>rape is when you force someone into sex using violence. there
>wasn't anything like that there, so i just presented
>counterpoint to someone who posted that he raped her.

I keep wondering where folks get this idea she consented? She said she didn't. Further more, if it boils down to a "he said, she said" regarding her consent, their is this concept of statutory rape.


now, i
>don't know a law like that, i didn't know that sex with
>someone under 14 (which is foul as fuck) is AUTOMATICALLY a
>rape.

Yep, statutory rape. Pretty well established concept here in the states where the event occurred. I am curious if they have the same concept in European countries.


but then again, if it's AUTOMATICALLY considered a rape,
>how come polanski had even an option to plead guilty to minor
>charge - unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor?
>shouldn't had, right?
Because he could have plea'd not guilty and contested at trial whether he had sexually intercourse with the girl as a matter of fact (as oppose to a matter of law). His attorney made a deal with the D.A. and said that if you all only charge me with this lesser offense, I will plead guilty and not contest certain facts.

>
>the 'bullshit' comment was about arrest itself. after 31
>years. it's not like americans were chasing him, after him, or
>even pushing france to extradite him. they didn't do shit
>throughout all these years.

This is not the case. A couple of articles mentioned that the DA office has been actively pursuing extradiction for years. The break here is that they knew well in advance that he was going to a country with more favorable extradition laws.

>y'all came a little bit hard at me. i hope you all are like
>that in those r kelly's posts.

I don't think a lot of people around these parts defend Kells. I have gotten into arguments with people who compare it MJJ and that's because the huge difference between RP and MJJ is RP was convicted of the crime he was accused of while MJJ was found innocent of the crime he was accused of. The people who defend MJJ do it on the basis they believe his innocence. People who defend RP have no basis for defending his actions.

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62. "Scorcese, Woody Allen, Arnofsky and more sign petition for his release:"
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are you kidding me?!?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/sep/29/roman-polanski-petition

I can't remember the last time I consciously made an attempt to boycott anyone in Hollywood, but now might be it...

  

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63. "damn, I wish I hadn't read that Monica Bellucci signed that"
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68. "I for one am shocked Woody Allen would condone such behavior"
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72. "*looks for R Kelly signature*"
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76. "He's busy producing the posse cut for Perv Aid '09"
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79. "well to be fair"
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B/c I know he'll be dragged into this as well. Woody never drugged anyone, she was of age to give consent and he didn't have any charges that he ran away from. It's still sick in my mind but at least he's still with the girl he did it with (almost 20 years), unlike Roman "wham-bam-thank you-mam" Polanski.

  

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96. "why is it sick?"
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That he has a functioning marriage with her?

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118. "It's sick b/c he was her father figure for many years"
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And pretty soon after she's legal they start something? All while still in a relationship with her adopted parent? That's not sick to you? I'm not saying it's on the level of drugging a girl and raping her or even just child molestation, but it's still a huge gap in morals.

  

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140. "it was not many years"
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She had an actual father (Andre Previn) and did not need Woody as a father figure.

If today she was scarred by the experience and said Woody took advantage of her, yes it would be sick. But by all accounts they have a mature and functioning marriage. That's admirable and better than most people are able to do.

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147. "Or maybe b/c she's adopted she has an Electra complex"
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I don't know their relationship but not only should 60 yr old guys not go after 20 yr olds but they most defiantly should not go after ones that see them as an authority figure, it's just exploitative.

I was defending Woody, I don't know why you have such a problem with what I wrote over what others have.

  

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73. "wait what?"
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do they realize they are saying that because they are filmmakers they should be above the law?


really?
really hollywood?
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78. "WTF do they mean by this?:"
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"the arrest "could have disastrous consequences for freedom of expression across the world"."

WTF does Polanski's arrest have to do with freedom of expression? Am I missing something?

  

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80. "LOL seriously, now I know how right-wingers feel when they criticize"
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hollywood for their crazy ideas. There's no way to defend him unless u want to defend all child date rapists, which I don't think they want to do. Just b/c somebody makes a good movie doesn't mean he shouldn't go to jail. Good ppl do bad things, doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished. I don't see Hollywood coming together for Mumia who is an actual victim of judicial injustice and might actual be sentenced to death. Only looking out for themselves...

  

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97. "I think they're referring to the fact that..."
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A film festival was used to nab him. If the Swiss police just showed up at his chalet with an arrest warrant it would be different.

They're obviously not calling his crime an act of "expression." Though the quote you're pulling is not from the petition signed by Scorsese, Lynch, et al.


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103. "and?"
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>A film festival was used to nab him. If the Swiss police just
>showed up at his chalet with an arrest warrant it would be
>different.
>
>They're obviously not calling his crime an act of
>"expression." Though the quote you're pulling is not from the
>petition signed by Scorsese, Lynch, et al.



this doesn't make it better
since when should authorities make an exception of film festivals?
should they also shh and be quiet during the award presentation?
should that have waited til after he got his award?
are you joking?
where the hell are these peoples priorities??
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108. "it doesn't excuse his crime"
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Artists are naturally concerned about any incident where an artistic event is used as bait to arrest an artist, particularly one who has traveled in that country safely for 30 years.

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111. "again priorities"
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>Artists are naturally concerned about any incident where an
>artistic event is used as bait to arrest an artist,
>particularly one who has traveled in that country safely for
>30 years.


they seem to very oddly be unconcerned about supporting a confessed rapist
this is not natural at all
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114. "they're artists"
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To them it's bigger than Polanski and his guilt/innocence and fate.

>
>they seem to very oddly be unconcerned about supporting a
>confessed rapist
>this is not natural at all

It's like saying civil liberties activists are oddly unconcerned about supporting Mumia Abu-Jamal, a guy who probably murdered a cop.

It's less about the guy and more about the process and the precedent.



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124. "WTF???????????????????????????????????"
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>It's like saying civil liberties activists are oddly
>unconcerned about supporting Mumia Abu-Jamal, a guy who
>probably murdered a cop.

There's a hug difference between the two. One: Mumia maintains his innocence by saying that he never killed a cop, while Polanski maintains his innocence by saying she gave consent (Which she never did nor ever could). Two: Mumia never skipped bail and even though he didn't receive a fair trial still tries to be freed judicially, while Polanski DID skip bail, never had a fair trial since he never got to trial b/c he felt the judge might make him do jail time even though the judge never said he wouldn't when making the plea bargain. Three: Mumia claims that the police set him up b/c of his controversial work as an investigative journalist and his political activism while Polanski believes they're after him b/c his wife was killed (?????wtf?????). There's absolutely nothing wrong with a civil liberties activist supporting Mumia b/c his case is ALL about civil liberties, while Polanski's case is all about Polanski being a bitch and wanting to face the consequences.

>It's less about the guy and more about the process and the
>precedent.

It's ALL about the guy in this case b/c if Hollywood wanted to be consistent there'd be a hell of a lot more ppl they'd petition for their freedom before Polanski (including Mumia).

  

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128. "no."
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>To them it's bigger than Polanski and his guilt/innocence and
>fate.
>
>>
>>they seem to very oddly be unconcerned about supporting a
>>confessed rapist
>>this is not natural at all
>
>It's like saying civil liberties activists are oddly
>unconcerned about supporting Mumia Abu-Jamal, a guy who
>probably murdered a cop.
>
>It's less about the guy and more about the process and the
>precedent.


art is a reflection and commentary on life
this is it's importance
art will never and should never supersede the reality of life and the human condition
it's purpose is to observe, comment and possibly affect it
it's an appeal to the senses and ones emotions

your interpretation of those peoples foolishness is quite off
and a horrible excuse for their actions
do not blame art, nor artists for this petition
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110. "and? that's just as dumb"
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the petition and its supporters are being moronic. since when are film festivals holy asylum?

"By their extraterritorial nature, film festivals the world over have always permitted works to be shown and for filmmakers to present them freely and safely, even when certain States opposed this.

The arrest of Roman Polanski in a neutral country, where he assumed he could travel without hindrance, undermines this tradition: it opens the way for actions of which no-one can know the effects."

...those paragraphs were especially annoying. opens the way for actions with indeterminable effects? yeah -- next we'll be hearing how Polanski should be able to visit historic monuments w/o persecution, or his distant relatives, or fucking Starbucks.

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95. "you'll have to boycott a lot of people"
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Bigger names:

Martin Scorsese
David Lynch
Wes Anderson
Pedro Almodovar
Ethan Coen (of the Brothers)
Darren Aronofsky
Olivier Assayes
Monica Belluci
Gael Garcia Benal
Bernando Bertolucci
Alfonso Cuaron
Jonathan Demme
Guillermo Del Toro
Steven Frear
Costa Gravas
Buck Henry
Wong Kar-Wai
Darius Khondji
Harmony Korine
Emir Kusturica
John Landis
Jeanne Moreau
Terry Gilliam
Brett Ratner
Alexander Payne
Jerry Schatzberg
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135. "And I god damn intend too!"
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Yeah, its ridiculous, and it won't do anything...but I just have no respect for anyone who would sign this ridiculous petition! So yeah, as useless as it is, I am never supporting any of these mofo's movies ever again just on principle.

I don't give a shit if he thought that shit was consensual or if he escaped Auschwitz and lost his wife to Manson, yada, yada.....I don't give a shit if it was 65 years ago and he's now 108! I hope they prosecute his ass and send him off to jail, because a point needs to be made here. If they let him off, what does that say? It's ok to flee sentencing because you are a great artist? WTF?! Its ok because he's rich? Old? Jewish? Like really, how can people support letting him go, when he PLEAD guilty?!

And all this "what purpose would it serve to send a great artist to jail" talk....are you kidding me?! The purpose is that it he plead guilty and should serve his time! Otherwise, what kind of bullshit, biased judicial system is this?

How people are actually ok with this is beyond me...I'm actually really skeptical of anyone who would say "well, it wasn't rape-rape" (c) Whoopi

  

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67. "everyone needs to save the pedo label for actual pedo"
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YES being from modern America, where people take a while to grow up psychologically and socially, it is very wrong and sleezy for a 20/30/40/50 y/o to sleep with someone in their early teens.

But for much of human civilization, that was right around marrying age, and the bodies are in fact developed enough to bare children. It is not true pedophilia. The reality of the matter is after humans reach reproductive maturity, "consent-ready adulthood" is an unscientific ballpark figure that all depends on culture/society norms of nonphysical maturity, and a host of very subjective and pliable variables.

Was he wrong? Yes.
Did he take advantage? Yes.
Was it illegal in that society? Yes.
Was he a pedophile or child-molester? No.

  

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69. "he drugged and raped a middle school girl"
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society can call him whatever they fucking want. please spare us these pseudo-intellectual ramblings about your own definitions.

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70. "the point is, it's actually"
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YOUR own definition of a girl once she can bare.

obviously the man did something very fucked up, i'm not defending that in the least. i'm just saying there's a problem with lumping in the exploitation of a teenager for a cheap fulfillment of immature adult sexuality with pedophilia which is a sexuality directly aimed at bonafide non-developed children.

terms need to have some integrity behind them

  

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74. "you want to quibble over a 13 year old girls barely developed"
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pre-adolescence?
really?
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83. "he's a disturbed sick person, pedophiles are disturbed sick people"
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is the distinction that important? no.

  

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87. "it appears that he is, or at least once was, and yes the distinction"
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is always important

  

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77. "Hebephilia n/m"
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85. "that's a little more accurate"
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though, like i said, it all gets rather subjective in the teens and depends on society. didn't the ancient Hebrews for instance marry around 13-14? Similar with the Myans and other Native Americans? And I could be wrong but isn't 15 still the Mexican milestone for womanhood? Quinceañera and all that? Are all these civilizations just a bunch of Hebefiles and Ephebofiles?


Social constructs that affect mental maturity aside, it seems like it was rather natural for humans to start reproducing in the early teens...soooo...that can't be clinical kiddie-sex. i don't think i've ever met, in my life, an early-teen girl who would be anywhere close to ready to properly deal with things like marriage, having sex, modern motherhood, committing to a family, modern adulthood, etc. For a grown man to have sex with these young teens is highly selfish and exploitative. But I live in one complicated-ass unnaturally modern American society.

  

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81. "ok he's not a pedo, he's a child date rapist"
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Under law she's still a child, he drugged her and had sex with her (anal at that) so he's a date rapist (on top of just statutory rape). Therefore he's a child date rapist, does that make u feel better.

And to ad to your thought that "if there's grass on the field, play ball"-type thinking, for much of human civilization women have been objects not ppl, homosexuals have been freaks and bathing is not necessary. Shall we go to them for ideas on how to construct our society?

  

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86. "i would definitely agree with date rapist. "
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>And to ad to your thought that "if there's grass on the field,
>play ball"-type thinking,
:
people like you who hate to actually pay attention to the whole of what a person says have no credibility when giving opinions. that is not my type of thinking.

  

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90. "STFU, just b/c I flipped what your saying to what you're truly saying"
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doesn't mean I can't have an opinion.

>YES being from modern America, where people take a while to grow up >psychologically and socially, it is very wrong and sleezy for a >20/30/40/50 y/o to sleep with someone in their early teens.

Um this isn't just modern America...I live in Canada and it ain't any different. Any besides the Netherlands I can't think of any European countries where it's somewhat norm for this kind of behavior.


>But for much of human civilization, that was right around marrying >age, and the bodies are in fact developed enough to bare children.

ok.... so was he stupid or no familiar with the reproductive system when he sodomized her? This has nothing to do with him b/c he wasn't trying marry her, wasn't trying to reproduce and her parents didn't allow permission.

>It is not true pedophilia. The reality of the matter is after humans >reach reproductive maturity, "consent-ready adulthood" is an >unscientific ballpark figure that all depends on culture/society >norms of nonphysical maturity, and a host of very subjective and >pliable variables.

I'm sorry but when I read that all I hear is the saying "if there's grass on the field..". I mean what are u trying to say with this statement? ok he's not a "true pedo". fine but what else? That we should open our minds? That even though RP was living in modern America when he did it, he had an old soul and mind-frame? There's really no gray in this scenario, if RP wanted to take part in this kind of behavior maybe he should have moved to Thailand or started a petition for the US to lower it's age of consent to 13. He's wrong in every way possible, there's no see it from an objective side or you're thinking too modern.

Try and tell me I don't read what you said again.

  

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102. "calm your hormones, and that was nowhere near what i was truly saying"
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you don't get to decide what a person truly thinks to make your own thought process simpler

and i also never said what he did wasn't incredibly wrong. obviously it was, and i've said so several times in this thread.

  

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125. "I never said I get to decide what a person thinks"
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I mentioned what your statements came across as and asked you to tell me what your point was, which you never did.

  

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89. "Wait, how do you know the girl wasn't prepubescent?"
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If I understand you correctly you are arguing that he is not technically a pedophile because the girl was not prepubescent. Nevermind that you think somehow the medical definition somehow trumps legal definitions of pedophilia (why should it?), but how are you so sure that the girl was not prepubescent when she was 13 at the time of the incident and the average age of menarche is around 12 or 13?

You know I have had similar conversations before and I have pointed out that if I guy is checking out a stacked chick on the street and it turns out that the chick is 15 he isn't necessarily a pedophile because what attracted him to the girl is her developed mature body which prolly mislead him to thinking the girl was older than she actually was.

However, what makes a pedophile a sicko is that a pedophile is attracted to young underdeveloped bodies and I don't doubt that is what the case was with RP. He wasn't attracted to his victim despite her being 13 he was attracted to her BECAUSE she was 13.

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101. "this is a very important point"
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>However, what makes a pedophile a sicko is that a pedophile is
>attracted to young underdeveloped bodies and I don't doubt
>that is what the case was with RP. He wasn't attracted to his
>victim despite her being 13 he was attracted to her BECAUSE
>she was 13.
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this really is an important point, and i commend you on being far more substance to dialog than some of the above knee-jerk replies.

you MAY be right, but i have no idea whether that's the case or not, and would ask how you arrived at that assured conclusion. all i know is what you said about the 15 year old can also apply to many a 13 year old.

still, the fact that many, if not most, human civilizations throughout history treated early teens as marrying/reproducing age really forces us to admit how colloquial and unscientific our American definition of adulthood really is. would i call a 13 year old girl an adult? no flipping way. at least not one brought up in these times in this type of society. but i wouldn't lump her in with prepubescent children either, and when it comes to a man being attracted to one, i think there's just as much evidence (if not more) to say its misguided adult-attraction than obvious child-attraction.

  

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116. "uuh, thanks for the...commendation"
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>you MAY be right, but i have no idea whether that's the case
>or not, and would ask how you arrived at that assured
>conclusion.

I guess I make the conclusions I do based on the fact that he knew the girl was 13 years old. I don't think its much of a leap in logic to say that it is evident he wanted to have sex with a 13 year old because he in fact had sex with a girl he knew was 13. Even if we assume she was not prepubescent, why risk having sex with a postpubescent 13 year old in violation of the law when he could easily have sex with a postpubescent 18+ year old (he was a big time director)?



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123. "there's stil a slight misfire here"
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>I guess I make the conclusions I do based on the fact that he
>knew the girl was 13 years old. I don't think its much of a
>leap in logic to say that it is evident he wanted to have sex
>with a 13 year old because he in fact had sex with a girl he
>knew was 13.
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i'm also operating under the (maybe wrong?) assumtion that he knew she was 13. my point is even for him to know she's 13 doesn't mean his attraction to her was based on a desire to sex children. all we know for sure is that it was a desire to sex -her-. and that could have been based on the same types of basics that other adult-oriented attraction is based on...or it could have been based on things that child-oriented attraction is based on. recent local history would make a case for the latter, but i'm at least under the impression that human history as a whole would make a stronger case for it being the former. it could also be a mix (he likes some good T&A with females who are sexual, but also is attracted to the taboo level of innocence). that's also a POSSIBILITY, but nobody really knows for sure except maybe him. date rape is date rape, exploitation is exploitation, and its all terribly wrong, but it doesn't have to be pedophilia to be terrible.


>Even if we assume she was not prepubescent, why
>risk having sex with a postpubescent 13 year old in violation
>of the law when he could easily have sex with a postpubescent
>18+ year old (he was a big time director)?
:
i mean i've only been a dude for about 28 years but isn't it possible that's because he was attracted to HER specifically, not her age, and not an imaginary anonymous 18 year old? once again, i'm not saying it was ok (clearly wasn't), i'm just answering your specific question.

  

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88. "It's getting too academic here"
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Argue all you want about whether sex with a 13 yr old ok biologically etc. Take that to some politicians to change the law if you really want. But as it stands, sex with a 13 yr old is plain illegal (in the US and the majority of countries around the world). Polanski broke the law and he knew he did. If he goes to jail for it how can you complain?

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100. "by your logic"
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One should support the imprisonment of Oscar Wilde.

He broke the law, after all.

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104. "are you saying this law is wrong?"
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sodomizing and 13 year old against her will and drugging her will eventually become a cultural norm?

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106. "I am not"
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Rape of anybody regardless of age is wrong.

I'm taking issue with this statement: "Polanski broke the law and he knew he did. If he goes to jail for it how can you complain?"



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113. "if you agree with that law and polanski broke that particualr law"
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115. "legally speaking"
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Polanski pled guilty to intercourse with a minor. He did not plead guilty to rape.

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120. "Firstly"
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having sex with a minor is against the law.

Secondly, now I'm no expert on US law (although I'm a UK law graduate), 13 year old can't give consent, therefore it is also rape.

Thirdly, as said above, do you not agree with the current age of consent for sex? Otherwise we might as well not be having this discussion.

Lastly, if we really have to go into it, even Oscar Wilde had to expect what was coming to him. Whether the law is right or wrong is irrelevant when it comes to the law turning on you. If you know you are breaking the law, you can't complain when the cops come knocking. Complain about the basis for the law all you want, but Polanski or Oscar Wilde facing prison should come as no surprise to either. As I said, have an academic discussion about how the law SHOULD be changed, but nobody can complain about Polanski getting charged. Maybe you could complain if it was on some really old antiquated charge that should've been repealed or something. But this is a basic crime that any citizen would know about and should be ready to face the consequences of.

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107. "it seems some people are skimming and missing my point"
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>Argue all you want about whether sex with a 13 yr old ok
>biologically etc. Take that to some politicians to change the
>law if you really want.
:
i never said i wished the law would allow 13 year olds to be exploited by much older adults. my point was there needs to be a distinction between child-oriented sexuality and the misguided adult-oriented sexuality that would cause some men to want to sleep with a 13 year old. when you consider that 13 year old wives were commonplace in many human civilizations, it becomes obvious that somewhere in a normal man's nature would be the ability to be attracted to a "woman" as young as 13...as 13 year olds WERE women for thousands of years until very recently.

That being said, to take a modern-day 13 year old "girl" to bed in this day and age (at least in a society similar to ours) is an incredibly wrong thing to do. it's not true pedophilia though, and that's an important distinction.


>But as it stands, sex with a 13 yr old
>is plain illegal (in the US and the majority of countries
>around the world). Polanski broke the law and he knew he did.
>If he goes to jail for it how can you complain?
:
i'm not using this point about pedo to complain about him going to jail or to say "what he did was fine"

i just tend to believe, even when a person is guilty of something, its important people don't just abandon all sense of perspective to damn harder

  

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119. "I'm cool with this"
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I mistook your sentiments. I thought you were trying to criticise him being charged. I'm all for not completely demonizing someone over a crime. Hell I feel passionately about justice for criminals (my mum represents some of the biggest psychopaths in British mental institutions)

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144. "RE: I'm cool with this"
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>I mistook your sentiments. I thought you were trying to
>criticise him being charged. I'm all for not completely
>demonizing someone over a crime. Hell I feel passionately
>about justice for criminals (my mum represents some of the
>biggest psychopaths in British mental institutions)

yep, you got it. i'm not trying to say it was ok, i'm just saying its never constructive to start throwing around extra stuff that doesn't match just to hammer someone deeper. oh and that's pretty cool about your mom. that type of work has to take a special person with a ton of personal fortitude.

  

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91. "Sharon Tate's sister: Polanski won't get fair trial in US"
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/deadlineusa/2009/sep/30/usa

Sharon Tate's sister: Polanski won't get fair trial in US

The sister of Roman Polanski's murdered first wife says he won't get a fair trial in the "broken" US justice system

While Roman Polanski sits in a Swiss jail awaiting extradition to the US, the sister of his late wife Sharon Tate today said the sex act on a 13 year-old to which he plead guilty 31 years ago was consensual and that he will not get a fair trial in the US.

Speaking on NBC's Today Show, Debra Tate defended the Oscar-winning director.

"There's rape and then there's rape," she said. "It was determined that Roman did not forcibly have sex with this woman. It was a consensual matter."

Leaving aside the principle that under California law, a 13 year-old girl is legally incapable of consenting to sex, Tate said that discussions with Los Angeles prosecutors led her to believe Polanski would not get a fair trial there.

"I do believe that our system is extremely broken on levels," she said.

She said that several years ago she had sought to persuade Polanksi to return and face justice.

"I was under the impression that there was misconduct in the political genre itself and that based on that perhaps he could get a fair trial here," she said. "Since then, speaking with the district attorney's office, I agree that Roman could not necessarily be dealt with in a fair manner here in the US. I think that this matter better be served in France."

Tate is the sister of Sharon Tate, Polanski's wife who was murdered by followers of Charles Manson in 1969.

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92. "Well maybe he should have annally raped and drugged a 13yr in France"
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Next time pick where you're going to do your crimes and you could get the "fairness" you want. America had a problem with statutory rape before he did it, so if he wanted to partake in that kind of behavior maybe he should live in a society that tolerates that. If he can't find one that fits the rest of his lifestyle and can support his film career, well "you can't have you're cake and eat it too". Sorry Polanski but laws ain't going to change just b/c you don't agree with them.

  

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99. "I am amazed @ what I am reading. 13 year old dudes!!!!"
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159. "Thank you"
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He lured a 13 yr old to his friends crib with his fame, gave her drugs and fucked her in the ass.

If Thom Yorke lured a girl to Trent Reznor's house, gave her a bunch of xanax and fucked her in the ass, would we be having this discussion? And yes, I'm drawing that comparison because It's obvious that some of you are blind to the factual portions of this case because 30 yrs have dulled the shock of it.

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117. "Marcia Clark's piece &amp; a question"
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Marcia Clark's piece:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-30/polanskis-lost-alibi/


Clark wrote, "Generally speaking, a judge is never bound to accept a plea bargain he doesn’t approve of."

What about after reaching a plea bargain agreement as the judge did when agreeing that the 42-day psychiatric evaluation would suffice?

The quote doesn't address whether or not a judge can renege on a plea bargain agreement, but I assume that a judge has the legal power to do so because I've been reading about the judge's misconduct (or something similar) and have yet to come a piece calling his reneging illegal. Am I wrong?

Also, I assume so because of what Clark wrote immediately after what I referenced above, "Judge Rittenband could legally have let Polanski withdraw his plea and either set the case for trial or set new terms for the plea bargain and see if Polanski would accept them."

  

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121. "Some comical shit from Hollywood:"
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http://jezebel.com/5370356/letters-from-hollywood-roman-polanskis-rape-of-child-no-big-thing

I love the bit about how international film festivals need to be special places of safety from the law. Slippery slope?!?! These fucking self-indulgent morons...

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129. "I work in Hollywood."
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Having a mostly Republican family, I'm the butt of a lot of "Hollywood is full of a bunch of liberal idiots" jokes.

On this occasion though? They'd be right.

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130. "whoopi also?!"
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yes something is wrong when sherri is talking sense
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132. "I know. What if a dude said "it's not RAPE rape"?"
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134. "Maybe my favorite photoshop ever:"
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139. "lmao!!"
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!!!

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136. "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/the-good-kind-of-rape_b_3..."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-seitzman/the-good-kind-of-rape_b_305748.html

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137. "Dude should be de-balled."
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End of post.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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141. "this self-righteousness is disgusting"
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There are no winners in this scenario.

-The victim who for years has been pleading for the charges to be dropped is again thrust into the spotlight.

-The LA prosecutors will spend a fortune without getting a serious sentence.

-The Swiss, pathetically throwing the US a symbolic bone, will be unsuccessful in deterring the more substantial investigation of UBS.

-The perpetrator, a threat to no one, has his life wrecked.

-And people here give into their worst instincts and want Polanski to get castrated or raped in prison.

"And should he come back? I have to imagine he would rather not be a fugitive and be able to travel freely. Personally, I would like to see that happen. He never should have been put in the position that led him to flee. He should have received a sentence of time served 25 years ago, just as we all agreed. At that time, my lawyer, Lawrence Silver, wrote to the judge that the plea agreement should be accepted and that that guilty plea would be sufficient contrition to satisfy us. I have not changed my mind." -Samantha Geimer

Who here thinks their opinion on this matter has more weight than Geimer's?

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142. "This is really unbelievable to me!"
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>There are no winners in this scenario.

Actually, I think there is a clear winner, and that is the American justice system. If rich people are allowed to flee sentencing, while the poor must serve their time, this whole system loses credibility. Criminals don't get a pass because they had a "troubled" past! So why this dude? And no, he doesn't get a pass for being a great "artist" because this case has NOTHING to do with art, it has to do with RAPE. The winner here is justice being served to a child-rapist....and you have a problem with that?

>-The victim who for years has been pleading for the charges to
>be dropped is again thrust into the spotlight.

First of all, the victim wanted him to go to jail (or at least face justice) or she would have never gone to the cops in the first place! A very clever Polanksi was able to flee, and yes, 32 years later she wants it to go away. I would too. Wouldn't you? But that doesn't make this right. She got her settlement, so she just wants to move on, of course. But he fled before a sentencing...he was found guilty, he plead guilty to statuatory rape! How do these facts seem to get ignored? So what, now he gets rewarded for his persistence in hiding from the law?!?

>-The perpetrator, a threat to no one, has his life wrecked.

Ok, serious question, how do you know this? Really, I would like to know how you know he's a "threat to no one". Because he's old? Because he's too successful now? Because he's a great director? Like how do you know he hasn't/won't re-offend?

And seriously man, you are worried that his life is "wrecked" now? Really? Oh, boo-fuckin-hoo! Up until now, the dude has managed to somehow sideswipe any criticism for 32 years for what he did! He should have been ostrosized by the film world for that, at least until he served his time. But instead, he's like some kind of martyr for the sanctity of "art"?! Like really, this dude has had an incredibly sucessful life! He was about to be given a lifetime achievement award for god's sake! Poor Polanski? Really??

>-And people here give into their worst instincts and want
>Polanski to get castrated or raped in prison.

I think most people would be satisfied with him just serving his damn time like every other child-drugging-rapist.

>"And should he come back? I have to imagine he would rather
>not be a fugitive and be able to travel freely. Personally, I
>would like to see that happen. He never should have been put
>in the position that led him to flee. He should have received
>a sentence of time served 25 years ago, just as we all agreed.
>At that time, my lawyer, Lawrence Silver, wrote to the judge
>that the plea agreement should be accepted and that that
>guilty plea would be sufficient contrition to satisfy us. I
>have not changed my mind." -Samantha Geimer
>
>Who here thinks their opinion on this matter has more weight
>than Geimer's?

Are you kidding? Really?? He FLED! Whatever she thinks, or you think....the dude FLED! What if Michael Vick fled right before sentencing? I mean, A lot of people thought he was being made an example of right? But would America be all like "d'oh well" and let him roam around Europe for 32 years building acclaim?!? So because this rich dude managed to abuse the system, and drag this shit out long enough...he should just be let go?

Damn....I really can't believe people have a problem with this! I've seen some stupid protesting on behalf of stupid causes, but this is by far the stupidest cause! I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with a convicted, admitted child-rapist serving time.

  

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146. "your idiocy is disgusting"
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>-The perpetrator, a threat to no one, has his life wrecked.
>
>-And people here give into their worst instincts and want
>Polanski to get castrated or raped in prison.

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148. "Well first of all it's not a civil case so she's not the prosecution"
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It's the The People v. Roman Polanski, meaning our word does mean more than hers b/c "The People" refers to us and since there's more of us than her, her boice means less. Although not every American decides on this case but it's the laws that ppl argee on in the state of California and in this case they think nobody under 18 can nor should be able to give consent to sex, intake alcohol or drugs.

Nobody really wins you're right, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be prosecuted. What kind of message does that send to pedophiles, 'If u hide long enough after you do it, we don't care"? I mean hell shouldn't we be applying this same logic to deadbeat parents, murderers, priests, even war criminals? Where do we draw the line? Roman Polanski did something terrible and got caught doing it, it has come out that he's done it before without being caught (See Nastassja Kinski). He sees nothing wrong with it and has tried to convince us to change our ways instead of apologizing. This is the guy your defending?

  

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155. "The perpetrator, a threat to no one? You're a fucking idiot."
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I've seen the damage child molesters can do and it's a sickness they live with the rest of their lives. They can and will find a way to continue their ways forever.

I've known people whose lives were ruined by criminals like Polanski. And you defend him? Makes your moral character suspect in my book.

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149. "let's cut the shit...she said NO...repeatedly"
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so that's strike 1...but he went on ahead and raped her vaginally and anally...read the police documents on Smoking Gun(I dont feel like linking it)

strike 2 - she was 13. she was a child. he raped a child.

strike 3 - he gave a child drugs and alcohol

strike 4 - he's evaded the law for 32 years

lock his ass up and throw away the key...in prison, the same thing will happen to him...he will say no, and the inmates will fuck him anyway...

there's no defense for this shit AT.FUCKING.ALL...stop talking crazy...

Fuck Roman Polanski and fuck YOU if you support a proven rapist be they a man, a woman, a street criminal, a famous R&B singer from Chicago, or a world famous Oscar winning film director....

Rape is not fodder for humor, cool, or excusable...PERIOD.

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150. "Josh Olson strikes again: Swipe on the alleged "Hollywood support" "
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Long swipe, but well worth the read...

latimes.com:

>The other day the Times ran a story titled “In Roman Polanski case, is it Hollywood vs. Middle America?” by John Horn and Tina Daunt. In that Mr. Horn and Ms. Daunt seem to believe that Hollywood exists as a monolithic entity, let me answer for Hollywood. No. It’s not. And thank you for asking. Sadly, I suspect that that isn’t the answer they were looking for. They state that “Hollywood is rallying behind the fugitive filmmaker.” Well, speaking as someone who actually lives and works right in the heart of the city and the business, I can assure you that this isn’t even remotely true.

Their entire argument rests on just three things -- an incredibly poorly conceived off-the-cuff comment by Whoopi Goldberg, a petition that Harvey Weinstein is circulating, and that there isn’t a great hue and cry from Hollywood demanding that Polanski be brought to justice. I cannot speak to Ms. Goldberg’s painfully unfortunate comment, except to say that I have no doubt she didn’t mean it to come out quite the way it did. As for the lack of a hue and cry, I’m not entirely sure what we’re supposed to do.

I cannot pretend, as some have, to have spent the last thirty years gnashing my teeth at the fiend Polanski’s escape from justice, but neither can I pretend to be outraged that a convicted criminal who fled prosecution has been caught. Perhaps I missed the meeting where these things were explained, but it just never occurred to me that I was supposed to stage a rally when something happened that doesn’t bother, interest or affect me in the least.

Melissa Silverstein is quoted as saying, "I think people are afraid to talk in Hollywood. They are afraid about their next job." Well, she’s half right. We’re all scared about our next job. That’s the nature of the business. You never know where the next paycheck is coming from. What we are NOT, however, is sitting around fretting about whether or not Roman Polanski will be displeased with us if we publicly state that we think raping children is a bad thing.

As a rule, when I read the news that a fugitive from justice has been caught, my standard response is to think, “How nice,” and turn the page. If it’s a particularly interesting story, I might tell my girlfriend about it, but until this moment it never occurred to me that I was supposed to alert the media as to my feelings on the subject. It’s hard enough keeping up with all the injustice in the world. Now we have to stand up and shout every time it goes the way it’s supposed to? No offense to Ms. Silverstein, but some of us have jobs.

Then there’s Jonathan Kuntz, who’s quoted as believing “the local reaction may be a version of the ‘there, but for the grace of God, go I.’" Well, again, no, but thank you for the extremely ugly insinuation, and when DID you stop beating your wife, Mr. Kuntz? Does it occur to ANY of these people that we’re not all sitting around in a clubhouse smoking crack, patting each other on the back and hoping not to get caught molesting children?

But there’s still the elephant in the room -- the petition. (There are actually TWO petitions, but they’re both making the same point.) The major thrust of the article -- that Hollywood is completely out of touch with mainstream America, that we’re rallying behind Polanski, that we’re all a bunch of sex-crazed degenerates eager to deflower your sons and daughters pretty much rests on these petitions.

In fact, it’s those petitions that seem to be fueling all the rage around this issue right now. Because some people have expressed support for Polanski, it’s assumed the rest of us agree, else we’d have come up with our own petition. All those Hollywood types defending that awful man, and no one standing up for the other side. It’s shameful.

The problem is, it all collapses if you actually look at the petitions. So Mr. Hollywood here did just that. I took a little time off from burning flags and pushing crack to schoolchildren and did the damn work, which is more than any of the people flogging this story can claim. I do things like that from time to time, particularly when I’m being confronted with assertions that fly in the face of all reason, and especially when those assertions imply that I’m some kind of moral deviant.

Between the two petitions, there are approximately 650 signatures. Of those 650, I noted everyone who could conceivably be considered a member of the Hollywood community. My rule was, basically, if you've done substantive and recognizable work for a Hollywood studio in the last four decades, you get counted. I guarantee you, some of these people would not be thrilled to be labeled Hollywood players, but I’m trying to be accommodating to the opposition here.

You know what I was left with? You know how many of those 650 people I was able to fit into a box labeled Hollywood? Thirty-six names.

The Times refers to some of the people who signed the petition by name, and it’s the same names I’ve read in similar pieces the last day or so. They cite Martin Scorsese, David Lynch, Michael Mann, Mike Nichols, Woody Allen and Neil Jordan. Well, yes. Those gentlemen do seem to be on the list. The implication, of course, is that that’s a representative sampling of the petition signers. It’s not. It’s not even representative of the thirty-six.

There are maybe eight more names on the list that come close to the level of fame and achievement those folks enjoy. The rest of the names... well, if you’re a hard-core movie fan, as I am, you’ll probably recognize most of them. But we’re talking foreign actors and directors who’ve done a small handful of American films, a couple mid-level producers, some writers and directors who have, as far as I know, been retired for decades, a composer or two, and others of that nature. Not exactly an overwhelming mountain of support.

Nonetheless, the Times describes the signers as “More than 100 industry leaders and prominent authors." This is a profoundly deceptive statement, bordering on being an outright lie. Obviously, you’re meant to interpret that the industry being led is Hollywood, but at most, there are fifteen names on the list that could possibly be defined as industry leaders, and that’s being generous. Hell, there aren’t even 100 Americans on the list. And if there’s an industry leader among Patrick Braoudé, Dominique Crevecoeur, Jean-Yves Chalangeas, Didier Martiny, Petter Skavlan, Alejandra Norambuena Skira, or Zdzicho Augustyniak, then it is some other country’s industry, and I’m not entirely sure that industry is film.

Worse, this deceptive statement has been picked up and is spreading. At least one internet “news” source mangled it into “Over 100 Hollywood Celebs Sign Petition for Roman Polanski Release,” which isn’t even deceptive. It’s a ridiculous and bald-faced lie. But please, don’t take my word for it. The links to the petitions are below, and I urge you to take the time to do what I did.

But however you slice it, thirty six names... hell, I’ll spot you ten to compensate for my own ineptitude. FORTY six names of people who’ve worked in Hollywood is not the same thing as Hollywood, even if they all march in a straight line and speak in unison. It’s standard procedure for the entertainment media to engage in monolithic thinking. They do it every year at the Oscars, and it’s always fun to read what message we were sending via the Oscars when, really, we were all just voting for the work we thought was best, just like everyone else who watched at home with friends and wagered a buck each.

But if you HAVE to try to read some sort of monolithic movement into this petition, you might want to take it up with the French, because there’s hundreds of them on there. There’s also a significant number of Spanish petitioners. (You might want to take into account that the age of consent in Spain is 13 before you drag out the pitchforks and torches, though.) But as far as Hollywood’s concerned, we’re not rallying behind anyone, and it sure would be nice if folks could find a way of discussing this issue without creating ridiculous and childish caricatures of people who have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Towards the end of the piece, we’re treated to this jaw-dropping bit of whimsy: “it's almost impossible to find anyone publicly condemning Polanski.” I’m compelled to point out that it’s not entirely easy finding people who support him, either. It’s so hard, in fact, that you have to do some serious number-fudging to make it look like you found any at all. And I have to wonder, did you ASK anyone? Because, as I said earlier, alerting the media that you don’t have a problem with a fugitive from justice being caught is not exactly normal behavior. That nobody does it is hardly evidence that everyone supports crime.

In the next day or so, there will be all sorts of petitions flying around town from people in response to this article, and all the other poorly reasoned anti-Hollywood rants that have arisen from this situation. Countless of my fellow filmmakers will attest to the fact that they think Polanski should be brought to America to face his punishment. It will make some difference, I’m sure, but the damage has been done. The stupid questions have already been asked, and cannot be un-asked. Anyone who doesn’t sign these petitions will now be suspect to all the lazy reporters, internet bloggers, conservative mouthpieces, and talk radio mouth-breathers who are so up in arms.

But some of us won’t sign the damn thing, because if we accede to the ludicrous demand that we sign petitions stating that it’s a good thing when wanted criminals are brought to justice, the next thing they’ll demand is that we take loyalty oaths. I don’t need to see Melissa Silverstein, Jonathan Kuntz or, frankly, ANYONE sign a petition telling me that they disapprove of molesting children. I don’t need them to swear under oath that they think it’s good for a fugitive from justice to be hauled in. I’ll take it on faith, because I assume that, in spite of their penchant for drama and their apparent need to demonize people they know nothing about, they’re mostly decent people.

It’d be lovely if they’d grant the same courtesy to me.
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154. "I thought a History of Violence was terrible"
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So it surprised me that this was fairly well written.

However it is is pretty crazily defensive. Fine some Fox News presenters might be caricaturing the whole of Hollywood under one banner, but I think most people know that not EVERY person in Hollywood supports Polanski. I think just most of us are shocked that anyone would, not least a a number of very high profile well known individuals. 36 (if that is the number) is still pretty high.

Plus I think a lo of the anger towards Hollywood is based off the fact it's a community that has backed and support Polanski all these years, funding his films and celebrating his work. You'd struggle to find many other industries that would would hire and laud a convicted paedophile whilst still on the run from the law.

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165. "Uh... YEAH, it is defensive"
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It's in response to a couple of articles that were written -- one in the L.A. Times, the other in the Wall Street Journal -- that asserted that "Hollywood" was showing support for Polanski, and that it was just another example of how out of touch "Hollywood" is. I mean, if it were so "obvious" that it's literally not everyone in Hollywood, then why are there articles out there making such an assertion?

He's simply asking that people don't paint with such a broad brush...
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170. "I suppose I can see that"
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Having said that, given that Hollywood as an entity has ok'd Polanski for this long, along with the addition of these high profile petitions, people should probably make an effort to say "Hey we're not all crazy". I mean they're in the public spotlight everyday. I know I would want to speak out.

I know I was really shocked at people in Hollywood rallying behind Polanksi and didn't really sit back to consider the numbers. Still, a good number of very high profile people is damning in itself. But hey, I hold my hands up, he does overall have a point.

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174. "Janeanne Garafalo spoke to that point on Bill Maher last Friday"
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She was pissed about people lumping Hollywood together like it's a single-consciousness-based organism.

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152. "Ok, now how many of you think he's still a threat to society?"
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be honest.

Just let the dude make movies

  

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153. "Punishment isn't just about protecting society"
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It's about justice as well.

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156. "dude has a clean sheet for 32 years. 32 YEARS."
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he's a threat to no one.

*oh, but you never know when these people might strike again*

blah, blah, blah...

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158. ""That was weeks ago motherfucker!" (c) Rick James"
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Damn, I never really thought of it this way^^^^

...we should probably let him go then.

I mean, he should obviously be rewarded for being rich enough to run from authorities until he became so old, it seems cruel to put him in jail now.

I mean, who cares that he drugged and orally, vaginally, and analy had sex with a 13 year old girl against her wishes when he was a 44 year old man...(illegal in Cali, remember)...

And who cares that he has never shown any remorse...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaeldeacon/100011795/roman-polanski-everyone-else-fancies-little-girls-too/#

  

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162. ""Enough with this rush to judgement" (c) Tony Soprano"
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why the sarcasm?
the question was only about being a threat to anyone.
do you REALLY think he's a threat to society?

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163. "Nothing personal man..."
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this is just a subject that gets me a bit heated...

but yeah, I see your point, he's probably not much of a threat to society at this point.

I guess my point was that 32 years doesn't exuse shit in my books.

I just don't understand the Polanski apologists is all...so if you aren't one of them, then forgive the sarcasm.

  

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164. "that is completely fucking irrelevant to whether he should be imprisoned"
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167. "i think it will be when it will come to an actual sentence"
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a little bit, but still.
if you think otherwise, ask the original poster what he meant. i just answered his question.

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169. "give his prison cell to a guy who's raping girls RIGHT NOW"
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fuck this cold case shit just to make news.

And if he ever makes another great movie...don't you dare watch it then. You want his talent caged for the rest of his life.

Did you like The Pianist? Fuck yall

  

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177. "It's not like they don't have room for both"
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and most people here are able to separate their appreciation for his movies from the fact that he's fled the law for 32 years after a heinous rape of a thirteen-year-old girl.

Guess you aren't though.

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173. "I don't think he's a threat now, but he needs to have his day in "
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court for fleeing the judicial process. In the context of the legal process, I don't even care if that or the statutory rape case gets thrown out or if he serves very little time or no time.

He should be held accountable and face his day in court like everyone else who doesn't have upper class privilege. And the fact that he has a clean record while being a convicted fugitive should not be reason to avoid / override the legal process. It's a slippery slope to have not just Polanski but convicted fugitives flee the judicial / legal process, evade extradition, stay clean, and say "I broke the law by getting away and in staying away, but I've been a good law-abiding citizen since then. Just let it go, judge." If there is legal precedent for that or whatever the appropriate term is, I'm wrong, obviously.

Would those very people that share that sentiment (i.e., he's not a threat anymore; just drop it; let him work) for Polanski share the same sentiment for someone from the underclass or working class who has a clean record since fleeing justice, hasn't produced artworks of prestige or hasn't done anything extraordinary for society, and had the same past as Polanski did prior to the statutory rape sans the prestigious filmmaking?

And still putting aside issues of fairness or unfairness on behalf of Polanski or other convicted fugitives, just undergo the legal process. That's it.

As for me, not thinking he's a threat now, I could never know with certainty that he's not, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

  

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157. "Bernard-Henri Levy: On the Polanski Affair (swipe)"
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Bernard-Henri Levy - french philosopher and writer.

some very interesting points. especially last paragraph.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernardhenri-levy/on-the-polanski-affair_b_310397.html

On the Polanski Affair

Sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl is obviously a serious crime.

And being an artistic genius never constituted, for any crime, an attenuating circumstance.

Having said that, and considering the wave of madness currently sweeping the country, we should also remember the following:

1. The "illegal sexual intercourse" that Roman Polanski acknowledged he was guilty of 32 years ago is not, for all that, the deadly crime, even crime against humanity, that the avengers hot on his heels have been denouncing for the past 10 days. Yes, it is a crime. But there are degrees in the scale of crimes. And it is an insult to good sense, an assault on reason, a door left open to all kinds of confusion, to muddle everything, to try to make everyone believe that a rape is a crime of the same nature as, for example, the one his wife Sharon Tate was a victim of, eviscerated several years earlier, to risk, in other words, because that's what we're really talking about, seeing Polanski join Charles Manson in the penitentiary where, starting January 1, 2010, he will have the possibility of parole.

2. This affair is all the more senseless as the principal complainant has chosen to forgive, to turn the page and, if possible, to forget. Leave me alone, she begs every time the Justice Spectacle, or just simply the Spectacle, shines its spotlights on this part of her past! Leave me alone and, while we're at it, forget this man that I, his victim, think has paid enough! But no. Defenders of victims' rights are there knowing better than the victim what she wants and what she feels. We are dealing with people who would step over the victims rather than let go of their prey and renounce the drunken desire to punish. It is shameful.

3. When the victim withdraws her complaint, isn't it up to society, that is to say the judge, to pursue the matter? Yes, without a doubt. From a strict judicial point of view, it is indeed the right of society. But this will be neither the first nor the last time that the strict judicial perspective misses the demands of compassion as well as those of intelligence. And just as I have never abstained from pointing out, in the Law of this America that I love, customs or punishments, found in every legal system, that distort the pure democratic idea, likewise there is no reason not to say it: arresting a man today about whom it was decided a long time ago, after 42 days in prison, that he wasn't a pedophile, tracking him like a terrorist, and extraditing him like a former Nazi is perhaps right according to the law, but not according to justice.

4. Would it be, like we're hearing everywhere, that his celebrity was giving Mr. Polanski refuge? No, of course not. I have spent my life trying to pull minuscule lives, nameless and faceless victims, from obscurity -- and I would have exactly the same views if Mr. Polanski weren't Mr. Polanski. Except... Except I precisely wouldn't have to maintain them. Because he wouldn't have been arrested. His dossier would have been buried for years. And there wouldn't have been any prosecutor, on the eve of an election (because many American judges are elected by the people like mayors and sheriffs), to arrange this high-profile arrest. Celebrity is not protecting Roman Polanski; it is doing him a disservice. Far from Roman Polanski hiding behind his name, it is his name that is drawing attention to him. And if there is a double standard in this affair, it is making Polanski, not an ordinary defendant, but a symbol -- and his eventual appearance a politico-media "grand bazaar" more than a fair trial.

5. The root of the matter lies in the whiff of popular justice that masks everything and transforms the commentators, the bloggers, the citizens, into so many judges sworn in on the great tribunal of Opinion -- some weighing the crime, others the punishment; we have even seen one of the virtuous, apparently an expert in chemical castration, propose for this new Dutroux (sic) a definitive treatment... Strange sort of outrage in those who don't find fault when it's a truly powerful person who acts like a child predator in front of our faces (ah, Mr. Berlusconi's escapades) but who become implacable when it's a seemingly powerful person who, like Polanski, has no other weapon but his talent... Singular kind of moralists who take an evil pleasure in replaying over and over the details of this sordid affair in order then to throw the first stone...

This lynching is a disturbance of the public order more serious than Roman Polanski remaining free.

This tenacity on the part of the gossips, and this desire to see the head of an artist on a pike, are the very essence of immorality.

Either one of two things, Your Honors. Either Polanski was this monster -- and we shouldn't have given him either an Oscar or a César; we needed to boycott his films; we needed to turn him in to the authorities every time he vacationed with his family at his home in Switzerland. Or you have never found fault, ever, with his announced appearances on the red carpets of every world festival; you feel as I do the formidable hypocrisy of this prosecutor, craving recognition, who woke up one morning to deliver him like a trophy to the public condemnation of the white-hot anger of voters -- and we must, like his victim, plead that he finally be left in peace.

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160. "This man's reasoning...."
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is so asinine, I don't even want to waste my time breaking down this bullshit!

..but if you believe this, take the time to read some of the comments of readers of this article, because they do a pretty good job of summing up how incredibly retarded this dude's article is.

In fact, I actually am surprised this dude is considered a "philosopher"...this kind of reasoning would get an F in pretty much any 1st year philosophy course!

  

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161. "^^^All of the above is correct^^^"
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It really is an embarrassing article coming from a supposed philospher.

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166. "there were *no* interesting points in that article."
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just more sympathetic drivel from an admirer who has lost touch with reality.

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172. "pretty much"
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I mean 2 things every defender doesn't bring up. 1. He didn't just rape her, he drugged her too. 2. It's be known that he's been with another underage girl on another occasion (Nastassja Kinski)

These 2 points really can't be defended and it's no wonder why his defenders never bring it up.

  

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175. "*eats Freedom Fries while reading*"
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*Effasig*

  

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168. "ok, what do YOU think should happen next?"
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what should happen now?
what should happen now, to do justice according to you?
extradition, then sentence?
ok.
what sentence should be right?
take all the 'fors' and 'againsts'.

but please if you want to post something like 'he should have his balls cut off' or '100 years in the dungeons' take a deep breath and don't post anything.

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171. "I don't know what US statutes say"
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He kinda already served part of a plea bargain for the rape itself, so off the top of my head maybe another year for that. Escaping the law for 32 years? Add another 4. 5 years? That sounds fair to me.

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176. "youre a motherfucking idiot....flat out...."
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all disrespect intended.

how many little girls have you raped?

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178. "none, but thanks for asking"
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>how many little girls have you raped?

now, would you be so kind and answer the question?

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