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Frank Longo
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"Terminator: Salvation"


  

          

I have tix to the midnight show, but it's a damn hurricane outside, and I'm gonna have to wait til the noontime show tomorrow.

Reviews online have been oddly split... some think it's mechanical and heartless (ironic?) and others think it's a fun action flick with great special effects. The NY Times notice leaves me pretty optimistic.

Anyone seen it? Thoughts? And let's try to keep spoilers out of the subject line, people.

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hyped but not too much...
May 20th 2009
1
The reviews seem on the same page.
May 21st 2009
2
I'm looking forward to this more than...
May 21st 2009
3
Action sequences were good (spoilers)
May 21st 2009
4
won't find any terminators imitating her voice
May 21st 2009
5
cosign the references.
May 21st 2009
16
i thought it was pretty awful and on par w/ the poor reviews i saw (SPOI...
May 21st 2009
6
Terminator: Hot Garbage
May 21st 2009
7
speaking of Moon Bloodgood...
May 21st 2009
8
      so native american or kids of hippy parents arent hot now?
May 21st 2009
10
OH GOOD FOR YOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!!!
May 21st 2009
9
LOL
May 21st 2009
11
So I just got back from the theatre and...
May 21st 2009
12
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 21st 2009
13
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 21st 2009
14
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 22nd 2009
28
Not feeling Bryce Dallas Howard? lol.
May 21st 2009
15
she was better as a blonde
May 21st 2009
17
      lol, I liked her better as a blind red head personally.
May 21st 2009
20
9 Dirty earth but clean teeth. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
May 22nd 2009
26
got progressively worse
May 21st 2009
18
For as weak as Terminator 3 was...
May 21st 2009
21
      T3 was OK for what it was.
May 21st 2009
22
why is shit just always randomly on fire in the future
May 21st 2009
19
I give it a B(spoilers)
May 22nd 2009
23
Maybe Terry Crews is a big fan of the franchise and...
May 22nd 2009
24
can't argue with that reasoning
May 22nd 2009
36
RE: I give it a B(spoilers)
May 22nd 2009
29
Compared to the Sarah Conners Chronicles it was C-R-A-P!
May 22nd 2009
25
It was fun, and the beginning was really good... but...
May 22nd 2009
27
Not one element of this movie made sense.
May 22nd 2009
30
Clearly an over reaction.
May 22nd 2009
31
Name one thing in the movie that made any sense.
May 22nd 2009
32
      You're still over reacting, lol.
May 22nd 2009
37
           Not liking the movie isn't overreacting.
May 22nd 2009
39
                bingo
May 22nd 2009
40
                And this isn't the least bit contradictory?
May 22nd 2009
42
                     Poorly worded on my part but not contradictory.
May 22nd 2009
45
                     Fair enough.
May 22nd 2009
48
                     RE: And this isn't the least bit contradictory?
May 22nd 2009
58
lol
May 22nd 2009
35
it sucked...and too many cotdamn explosions
May 22nd 2009
33
Christian Bale did sound alot like Batman, lol.
May 22nd 2009
38
It was ok, not great (spoilers obviously)
May 22nd 2009
34
It's DOPE!
May 22nd 2009
41
time travel spoiler
May 22nd 2009
43
huh?
May 22nd 2009
44
      The reason for Carter
May 22nd 2009
46
           that ending would of fit.
May 22nd 2009
47
                It's like a Hip-Hop album with too many features...
May 22nd 2009
49
                "would have" not "would of"
May 24th 2009
86
How the hell does Skynet know Kyle Reese is the father anyway?
May 22nd 2009
50
They must have watched the first Terminator film.
May 22nd 2009
51
      I can't wrap my head around it
May 22nd 2009
52
           I'm affraid your answer will rely on different timelines.
May 22nd 2009
55
Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 22nd 2009
53
RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 23rd 2009
77
RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 26th 2009
102
      RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though...
May 30th 2009
138
Shit was 10x better than Wolverine...
May 22nd 2009
54
A C+. It was pointless plot-wise and didn't have ENOUGH action.
May 22nd 2009
56
what's funny is that...
May 22nd 2009
57
so THAT's what happened =\
May 22nd 2009
59
      yea like if he was to be executed...
May 23rd 2009
61
twas ok...
May 22nd 2009
60
Boring and mediocre
May 23rd 2009
62
SEES THIS...
May 23rd 2009
70
i liked it
May 23rd 2009
63
RE: i liked it
May 23rd 2009
78
shit was OK, but the story, plot, and acting were mediocre
May 23rd 2009
64
also, the whole time travel shit just gets very convoluted and dumb
May 23rd 2009
65
that's the real question.
May 23rd 2009
66
There's a strict one Terminator at a time rule, apparently.
May 23rd 2009
67
RE: also, the whole time travel shit just gets very convoluted and dumb
May 23rd 2009
69
I guess a better question would be this:
May 23rd 2009
76
      *head explodes*
May 24th 2009
80
           LMAO...ditto...
May 24th 2009
82
no time travel in this one
May 24th 2009
84
*shrugs*
May 23rd 2009
68
not very good
May 23rd 2009
71
Y'all spaztics are hyper-analyzing this joint..
May 23rd 2009
72
no.
May 23rd 2009
74
And there we have it!
May 23rd 2009
75
RE: better than wolverine
May 23rd 2009
73
a terd on a stick would be better than Wolverine
May 24th 2009
81
      eh, not really.
May 24th 2009
83
This movie could have been sooo much better...
May 24th 2009
79
plot hole # 2
May 24th 2009
85
just focus on the shit getting blown up
May 25th 2009
88
that was me...
May 25th 2009
91
      agree with everything you said
May 25th 2009
96
RE: plot hole # 2
May 31st 2009
141
not explained in the movie, but there's a logical explanation
May 31st 2009
140
it was ok...
May 25th 2009
87
Garbage. DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE! PLEASE
May 25th 2009
89
they ALL overact...expect for
May 25th 2009
92
"It worked. It's beautiful!"
Jun 05th 2009
152
it defied most of my expectations. il iked it. n/m
May 25th 2009
90
How were the lights??
May 25th 2009
93
The look of the film was the best part of the film, really.
May 25th 2009
94
      Thats hilarious.
May 26th 2009
105
shit..i enjoyed it for the most part
May 25th 2009
95
It started off slow, but picked up toward the end considerably.
May 25th 2009
97
Shit, I liked it...
May 25th 2009
98
My biggest gripe with the movie was how dumb Skynet was (spoilers)
May 25th 2009
99
Kinda felt like a bad episode of BSG: Caprica to me
May 25th 2009
100
First half or so was excellent.....the rest just left me dissapointed
May 26th 2009
101
My brother told me that on NO circumstance are you to go see it
May 26th 2009
103
Honestly I think folks' nostaligia is clouding their memory...
May 26th 2009
104
Oh, no doubt. T2's legacy is coated with thick nostalgia.
May 26th 2009
112
RE: Oh, no doubt. T2's legacy is coated with thick nostalgia.
May 26th 2009
113
T3 is not better than T2....
May 27th 2009
123
Frank Longo is "The Shockinator"
May 27th 2009
126
exactly...
May 26th 2009
118
LOL # Skynet monologuing and Terry Crews as random dead guy
May 26th 2009
106
Skynet must be a Mac because
May 26th 2009
107
STOP the MAC hate...
May 26th 2009
108
Stop it. LOL. Skynet went online with Windows XP.
May 26th 2009
117
      Check hi-tech for the spinoff post.
May 27th 2009
121
CHUD breaks it DOWN
May 26th 2009
109
Wow.
May 26th 2009
110
i did laugh
May 26th 2009
111
The original script sounds like a bigger mess but at least it was ambiti...
May 26th 2009
114
true and honestly...
May 26th 2009
115
this sounds a little eerily too similar to th Evangelion series
May 26th 2009
119
RE: STAF!!
May 27th 2009
134
It was a Terminator movie and yeah I liked it
May 26th 2009
116
I thought it was pretty damn good...
May 26th 2009
120
RE: I thought it was pretty damn good...
May 27th 2009
124
but that's exactly what was wrong with the movie...
May 27th 2009
132
*points at scared child* YOU! MOVE!!!
May 27th 2009
122
^^^This might've been the best part of the movie right here
Jun 04th 2009
146
McG and Christian Bale on the REAL original ending (SWIPE):
May 27th 2009
125
The rumored one is good
May 27th 2009
127
I was just going to post that
May 27th 2009
128
      I get where you're going...
May 27th 2009
129
      yeah, thinking on it now
May 27th 2009
130
           Too bad McG didn't realize that.
May 27th 2009
133
           This would be pretty cool imo
May 28th 2009
135
           TIME OUT!!! "Granite it would confuse everyone"!?!?!?!?!?!
May 31st 2009
139
                lol, I'm trying to see how that is more than just a stupid typo...
May 31st 2009
142
      the robots dont get built because the hand found in the factory never ge...
May 27th 2009
131
           maybe it's one of those 'you can't change history' things
Jun 04th 2009
147
While I liked the movie, this ending would of been much better...
May 28th 2009
136
RE: Terminator: Salvation
May 29th 2009
137
They never really explained who/why Marcus killed either
Jun 01st 2009
143
Did they explain the whole time traveling fiasco???
Jun 01st 2009
144
worst movie I've seen in a LONG, LONG time
Jun 02nd 2009
145
it was EXPLAINED, but left another plothole to ask at the sametime
Jun 05th 2009
149
had they stuck with the original ending, marcus would of have a SIGNIFIC...
Jun 05th 2009
150
thought it was excellent
Jun 04th 2009
148
This is the second time Bale gets outshined by an australian dude.
Jun 05th 2009
151
i presume the 1st time being 'the prestige'
Jun 06th 2009
153
      Oh shit, I forgot about Jackman.
Jun 06th 2009
154
           Bale>>>>>>>>>>>Jackman in The Prestige. I liked both but cmon.
Jun 07th 2009
156
it's aight
Jun 07th 2009
155

EmceeGrayMatter
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1. "hyped but not too much..."
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I'm expecting...and when you expect you're far too often disappointed.

........

404 SIG NOT FOUND.

  

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SoulHonky
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2. "The reviews seem on the same page."
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If you're looking for T2, a blockbuster with some heart and emotion, then you're going to see the wrong film. It's a straight action movie with a lead who is grumpy the whole time.

One review called it a zombie movie with robots. That's what I'm expecting. Dawn of the Dead with Robots and much better FX.

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Midtown Records
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3. "I'm looking forward to this more than..."
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I was anything else I've seen recently.

I watched Terminator 3 on television the other night.

It has to be better than that.

I'm excited but don't have any specific expectations.

We will see.

__________

Lamentations 3:26
It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

  

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Call It Anything
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4. "Action sequences were good (spoilers)"
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Sam Worthington gave a good performance
Common gave a bad performance
Terry Crews gave 5 seconds of a performance

Dentistry is alive and well in the post-apocalyptic future.

The story was predictable but they did a good job at creating suspense. The cute little black girl that couldn't talk was a little weird.
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Now onto some shit I just want to say that won't really concern most people.

I'm not a fan of sequels that make repeated heavy handed references to the previous movies and this was just overloaded with them:

-"Come with me if you want to live..."
-"I'll be back..."
-"There's a storm coming..."
-The trench coat
-The lava
-The freezing
-The truck chase
-"You Could Be Mine"
-T-800 punching through the chest
-Terminator emerging from fire
-Fighting the T-800 in an operating factory after its skin has been burned away with the same fighting sequence
-Arnold
-The way Reese rattles off the specs of one of the models

I understand that there's a certain amount of this to be expected, but for some reason it just felt like too much for me. Most of them were unnecessary. Most people will probably miss half of them and not care about the other half.

Other nitpicky shit that bothered me is that they have John listening to the tapes his mother made him. We hear Linda Hamilton's voice reciting the lines from the end of the first movie about Kyle Reese and then they inserted some extra shit that wasn't in there about meeting him when he's a teenager.

This franchise demonstrated that it stopped caring about continuity a long time ago so I should probably follow but the first Terminator is one of my favorite movies of all time so it's hard for me to watch continually lesser films come after it (though a lot of people enjoyed the second one better).

  

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5. "won't find any terminators imitating her voice"
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she knows wsup.

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16. "cosign the references."
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the whole ending in the factory was just anti-climatic. I was zoning out at the hot/cold redux.

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6. "i thought it was pretty awful and on par w/ the poor reviews i saw (SPOI..."
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-almost EVERY actor overacted the hell outta their parts (including christian bale). Common gave his worst performance ever (not that it was a super challenging role).

-the storyline didn't make a WHOLE lot of sense and it seemed like the situations were randomly contrived in order to allow for a fight scene or some explosions.

-a lot of the shit was just unbelieveable...christian bale gets a giant square metal piece thru his chest and just gets up and starts hobbling around like it ain't no thing.

-the references to T2 were so obvious and underwhelming.

on the good side, i thought McG has some pretty cool cinematography.

  

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7. "Terminator: Hot Garbage"
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Terminator : Salvation flat out sucked . Story, script, acting all terrible. Action scene, some dialogue, action scene, some dialogue, action scene, some dialogue, long ass monologue explaining the wackass plot, end. Terrible. Sad that they fucked up a franchise with this film.

Good points:

Special effects were on point
Moon Bloodgood can get it and get it often.

~C

  

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8. "speaking of Moon Bloodgood..."
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what an odd name for a beautiful woman. Her name sounds like somesort of comic book character.

  

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10. "so native american or kids of hippy parents arent hot now?"
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men are so simple, and so subject to present necessities, that he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived. (c)Niccoḷ Machiavelli

  

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9. "OH GOOD FOR YOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!!!"
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Thu May-21-09 03:27 PM by Ceej

  

          

fawkin ass.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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11. "LOL"
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Midtown Records
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12. "So I just got back from the theatre and..."
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I thought it was OK.

Just OK.

I'm not mad at it.

There were some parts that I liked alot.

And there were some parts I didn't.

I thought they could have done better replicating Arnold.

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Lamentations 3:26
It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

  

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ILL FLOW
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13. "RE: Terminator: Salvation"
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i saw it last night and trust me. all reports are WRONG. the movie is fine. IT'S NOT GOING TO WIN AN OSCAR!

none of the others did.

why can't we just go out to watch a cool action flick and get on with our lives?

yo the ONLY REAL problem was a spot where they found a secret weapon (sort of but not really) worked and Common wasn't as excited as he should've been IMO.

but it's cool.

1 Danger
2 Chase Scenes
3 Huge Robots
4 Regular Robots
5 Cool Weird looking robots we haven't seen thus far
6 Explosions
7 Fights
8 Well shot... Oh yes, McG can shoot a film. He has some dope angles on this joint
9 Dirty earth but clean teeth
10 A beautiful woman to fight for (well, at least for Marcus... sort of)

i don't see where the problem is.

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Mudbone
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14. "RE: Terminator: Salvation"
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A story that doesn't "nuke the fridge" would have been nice. Yeah, the effects and cinematography were nice, but without a good story and script it is all wasted. I tone down my expectations and really wanted to like the movie. I even lowered by standards because it was a summer movie, but overall to me, it sucked ass. My sentiments are best summed up by Harry Knowles' movie review on www.aintitcool.com: "Fuck this movie."

Oh and T2 won Oscars: At the 64th Academy Awards, the film won four Academy Awards: Best Sound, Best Make Up, Best Visual Effects, and Best Sound Editing. It was nominated for two additional Academy Awards, Best Cinematography and Film Editing.

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ILL FLOW
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28. "RE: Terminator: Salvation"
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come on now...

Best Sound, Best Make Up, Best Visual Effects, and Best Sound Editing


are not awards like...


Best Picture.

and you know it. i don't even watch those winners. but you've got a point... they did win.

but if THIS movie won those awards you'd be like... "That doesn't count!"


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Midtown Records
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15. "Not feeling Bryce Dallas Howard? lol."
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>10 A beautiful woman to fight for (well, at least for
>Marcus... sort of)

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Lamentations 3:26
It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

  

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17. "she was better as a blonde"
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Midtown Records
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20. "lol, I liked her better as a blind red head personally."
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Lamentations 3:26
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Utamaroho
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26. "9 Dirty earth but clean teeth. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
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-i thought the same thing, i mean where were these people getting this good dental care when they barely had food to eat?!?

Red, Black, Green

  

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will_5198
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18. "got progressively worse"
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I liked the first 1/3 a lot. some really slick action sequences, especially the desert chase. the different Skynet machines were a plus.

the remaining 2/3 was very uneven. the ending was practically throwaway, a tribute to the old movies that came off as uninspired recycling. the "twist" was also boring.

Markus was the best character in the movie. fuck whoever keeps hiring Common and his stuffy nose, shitty acting. listening to him deliver lines is like hearing snippets of Electric Circus all over again.

and I wish the future was a bit more dystopian. you saw some glimpses of it, but I needed more despair! the flashback scene in the original Terminator conveyed post-apocalyptic tragedy better.

anyway, worth watching and better than T3. it just didn't find itself in the end.

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Midtown Records
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21. "For as weak as Terminator 3 was..."
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I don't know if I'd call Terminator Salvation better.

Sure, the cinematography is better.

But at least with T3 it set you up for what was going to happen next.

Now that this movie answered that, I don't know if I'm satisfied.

I may have been better off in wonder.

And it's not like I didn't like this new movie.

I thought it was cool.

But I'm not anticipating another sequel.

__________

Lamentations 3:26
It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

  

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will_5198
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22. "T3 was OK for what it was."
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not a badly made movie, I just had it with the time travel (we'll kill John Connor...even later in life!) and "new" Terminator model, this time with boobs.

Salvation is the premise that T3 should have been: Connor in the future. however, my own expectations took a dive when I found out it'd be directed by a grown man who calls himself three consonants (and best known work is either Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle or producing Fox's O.C.).

and yes, this should be the end for the Terminator franchise with all principle parties -- T3/4 kept trying to recreate Cameron's formula instead of adding something new. let's resurrect it in 10 years with a more focused (and innovative) vision.

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19. "why is shit just always randomly on fire in the future"
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it was a good popcorn flick.

some really corny dialogue/overacting ruined the connection i had with the film. it kept taking me out of it.

common needs to not be in movies.

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23. "I give it a B(spoilers)"
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dude that played Marcus did a great job in my opinion
Christian Bale did a good job playing Connor

Yo what was up with Terry Crews being in the movie for 5 secs and being dead at that, WTF.

It wasn't as good as I thought it would be, but the action sequences were pretty cool, The ending was kind of boring predictable.

  

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24. "Maybe Terry Crews is a big fan of the franchise and..."
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took what role he could just to be a part of it. Or maybe he wanted an easy paycheck, lol.

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36. "can't argue with that reasoning"
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>took what role he could just to be a part of it. Or maybe he
>wanted an easy paycheck, lol.


they should have gave him Common's role and had Common as the dead soldier, lol.

  

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29. "RE: I give it a B(spoilers)"
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LOL!

i was the only dude in the theatre like "DAMON'S DEAD YO!"


too funny. everyone started laughing

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25. "Compared to the Sarah Conners Chronicles it was C-R-A-P!"
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yeah, more action and revealing of the sheer "tools" of skynet, but no real payoff. i mean, who couldn't see that ending coming?!?!?!

-worth downloading in a month though.

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27. "It was fun, and the beginning was really good... but..."
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...the end got really dumb, and the performances were all fairly one-note. I still enjoyed myself... but it's the worst of the four, and I wonder if the fun was worth how dumb it made the franchise in that final half-hour, lol.

Sidenote: I've defended Common in the past, but there are a hundred better line reads of the two lines he had that could've made his character a thousand times more interesting, lol.

2nd sidenote: The appearance of a familiar character was awesome, and gave me possibly the biggest smile of the whole film. Where was the humor in this movie, the tongue-in-cheek shit that's all throughout the first three?

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30. "Not one element of this movie made sense."
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Just plain bad. By the end it got painfully boring and ridiculous. The worst movie I've seen this year.

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31. "Clearly an over reaction."
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32. "Name one thing in the movie that made any sense."
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It was ridiculous. The ending came so close to parody that one of the scenes actually mirrored a scene from Pineapple Express (when Connors falls down and reaches back for the gun that of course just happens to be exactly where he landed).

The movie was painfully boring, had barely any plot, the characters were one note and their relationships were laughable at best.

The dialogue was literally groan worthy at times. People were laughing in the theater at it. Not only were Common's line readings terrible (although to be fair, most of his lines were painful expository dialogue) but they seemed to be mixed poorly. A number of the wild lines were mixed on top of everything so they were obvious. The sound mix in general was just bad.

The movie took itself entirely too seriously.

This was just a bad, bad movie.

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37. "You're still over reacting, lol."
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39. "Not liking the movie isn't overreacting."
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It's a matter of opinion. Let's not have this devolve into a "You're overreacting and expecting an Oscar worthy film" v. "You're a fanboy who would have liked anything" debate.

To me the key element to a film is the story. This film didn't really have one and it didn't even stick to the one it had.

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40. "bingo"
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>To me the key element to a film is the story. This film didn't
>really have one and it didn't even stick to the one it had.
>

sadly, a lot movie goes will be too enamoured with the crashes and explosions to even give a f*ck.

some people in the audience in the theatre i watched it at, actually clapped at the end.

go figure.

  

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42. "And this isn't the least bit contradictory?"
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>To me the key element to a film is the story. This film didn't
>really have one and it didn't even stick to the one it had.

Either the film had a story or it didn't.

We both know it did.

We both know it could have been alot better too.

But that doesn't mean it didn't tell a story.

This film did stick to the story it told.

Unfortunately, it wasn't the story you or I thought should have been told.


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45. "Poorly worded on my part but not contradictory."
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There was no focused story. Who was the lead character?

John Connor doesn't really learn anything new and we never see him as someone who's a cold blooded killer who is losing his humanity because he's so focused on winning the war. He doesn't really have a story.

Marcus could have been the focus because he actually has something going on but we never heard it. He didn't really change much from when he first encountered Reese. His journey was pretty empty.

So the only existing story was really "Kill or Be Killed" but then the machines inexplicably decided to never kill the #1 person on their kill list. All they needed to make their plan work was for Marcus to see Kyle get taken. Once that's done, they could have offed Reese. How many times did the machines recognize Reece to then just take him hostage?

And then the whole plan to kill Connor was ridiculous. The plan had no endgame. They lured him into a trap that wasn't a trap and was actually exactly where he wanted to be to blow up Skynet.

So in the end, there was no real story besides the basic premise and then the film didn't even follow the logic of its own premise.

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48. "Fair enough."
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58. "RE: And this isn't the least bit contradictory?"
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DING DING DING.

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35. "lol"
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33. "it sucked...and too many cotdamn explosions"
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it was corny

the young reese was trying to hard to be a hard ass, imitating the old reese from the original series.

the whole Marcus storyline was confusing and kinda flew in the face of John Connors quest and story. and really, it overshadowed it, being the better and more appealing storyline anyway.

the whole Blair falling in love with Marcus after literally two seconds was hilarious. but then again, times were tough and there was dick around, so i guess she was desperate for love...lol

and man, were there a lot of explosions. i guess McG decided that the more explosions, the more people would care less about the f*cked up plot and his storytelling of the whole movie. and i think he is right.


only highlight was the character Star. i didn't know she was a boy or girl. had to look it up on imdb...lol. anyway, she didn't say anything, but was the best actor in the entire movie with her expressions.

Christian Bale, everytime he talked i kept thinking about the bat growl. he was competing with the bat growl in this movie.

i think the plot was poorly developed.

it sucked and it was cheesy: "everybody deserves a 2nd chance".

lmao

  

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38. "Christian Bale did sound alot like Batman, lol."
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34. "It was ok, not great (spoilers obviously)"
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The special effects were bananas. Nobody seemed to be talking about it all that much in this post so I'll just say the scene with the giant robot attacking the gas station, that shit was crazy. Got me amped for transformers

sam Worthington stole the movie away. He was a dickhead but still likable. His action scenes were all the best scenes in the movie. At the same time that kinda deaded the rest of the movie. Its like do we even care if john connor finds kyle reese? It should of been the other way around.

The kid that played Kyle Reese did ok. He definitely tried to sound and act like how Kyle was in the first movie which makes sense. Someone above said they were annoyed by how much the young kyle reese was acting like the original. Isnt that how its supposed to be in this time traveling movie?

Moon whatever her name is fione as all get out. Jesus Cristo

Common was pure shit. What the hell happened to Claire Dames? The actor they got to play Connor's wife was shit. The whole coalation of army people on that submarine, they were useless. The movie was directed by McG who went to the Michael Bay school of directing apparently.

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41. "It's DOPE!"
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I for one didn't mind the stale plot and story. The CGI was top notch and McG's action sequences were wonderfully shot. The acting wasn't bad, except for Common and Bale, Com can't act at all, and Bale seem to be on auto pilot. Like all previous movies, the recalling theme of machine protecting humans, and the aspect of their relationship has always moved the plot, but it seem like the action this time moved the plot. I didn't mind. This is summer so I didn't care, at least I had fun. Also the surprise "CGI" guest was awesome, if that didn't put a smile on your face or even clapped at that part, you're taking the movie too seriously. This is far better than Wolverine but not as good as Star Trek, even though my girl like this better, the action was just too good for the movie. Anyways, go for the action and great CGI, but if you're looking for it to move the mythology forward, then you won't like it.

EDIT: Also, I wasn't expecting anything what the originals had. This wasn't better than the originals, but I won't lie, I had fun.

  

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43. "time travel spoiler"
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did carter's character have the knowledge that connor would get got like that in the future?





















































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44. "huh?"
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How? Wasn't her character in the monitor wasn't her but the "machine" looking like her. I really don't see the angle of her character, like what was the point for her existence?

  

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46. "The reason for Carter"
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Was to have Marcus whine about no salvation to her in the beginning so it would seem like his character had an arc in the end.

He kissed Moon out of love in the end but it was purely lust in the beginning when he kissed Carter. I really thought that after he kissed Moon Bloodgood at the end that he'd say, "So this is what life tastes like." It would have fit the rest of a hokey dialogue.

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47. "that ending would of fit."
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but yea, even though I thought Sam Worthington charter was acted very well, I thought the whole point of his existence wasn't cheesy and doesn't make sense to the plot.

  

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instead of an album that really showcases the artist.

lol, corny comparison but I couldn't resist.

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50. "How the hell does Skynet know Kyle Reese is the father anyway?"
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Did I miss that?

  

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51. "They must have watched the first Terminator film."
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Of everything people dislike about this movie, this is actually pretty easily explained (assumed might be a better word).

At the same time, I took it for what it was and didn't bother with that particular question.

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52. "I can't wrap my head around it"
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I'm fine with the whole Reese from the future creates John in the past thing. But just thinking about how Skynet just figured this out, it doesn't make sense to me:

-Skynet in the future wants to kill John Connor but doing so in the future would be useless because Skynet had already lost.

-They send a Terminator back to 1984 in Los Angeles because they know John's mother was named Sarah Connor, lived in L.A. and John Connor hadn't been born yet. That's all they knew because a lot of information was lost in the future (but apparently Marcus Wright can access old newspaper articles from 2003 without any problem but that's another issue).

-Present day Skynet in the first three movies really has no idea who John or Sarah Connor is or why they would want to kill him. It's only Skynet robots from the future going back in time.

-Kyle Reese didn't know that he was John Connor's father. It doesn't seem like Skynet didn't either. So it sounds like the only people who really knew that were John and Sarah.

-But somehow the Terminator Salvation Skynet knows that Kyle Reese is John's father, which means that they know that in the future they will unsuccessfully send robots back in time to kill John and Sarah. So if the Terminator Salvation Skynet knows both the present and the future, how are they so incompetent?

It would have been nice if they tried to explain it. Like John Connor had snitched on himself or something because that's about the only way I could see this working.

As I said earlier in the post this series cares less about continuity than just about any other franchise so it's probably not worth getting upset about.

  

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55. "I'm affraid your answer will rely on different timelines."
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53. "Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though..."
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That said....I oddly feel like I'd seen the movie before.

The end result of this movie puts a WHOLE new context of the Bale breakdown.


That one thing: why the fuck was common wearing sunglasses in the middle of night?

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77. "RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though..."
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>That one thing: why the fuck was common wearing sunglasses in
>the middle of night?



Aww Come on now! We don't ask celebrities why they do that in REAL LIFE. so why should we ask that question when they do it in FAKE life (acting or movie)

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102. "RE: Not a bad action summer flick. Must know one thing though..."
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>That one thing: why the fuck was common wearing sunglasses in
>the middle of night?

On the battlefield no less. If I was one of those damn robots he would have been the first person I shot.

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lol

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54. "Shit was 10x better than Wolverine..."
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now with that said it still suffered from a shitty story. And the acting left more to be desired. At least this still shat all over T3.

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56. "A C+. It was pointless plot-wise and didn't have ENOUGH action. "
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57. "what's funny is that..."
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in early drafts of the film, the story CENTERED on Marcus Wright and his journey to figure out how he ended up in 2018, etc. and the journey to "find" himself and his purpose, etc.

but, because they wanted Christian Bale, the rewrote the script to fit HIM...

and it was obvious what we are seeing in theaters is this really crappy attempt to make this about John Connor..when he wasn't even the most interesting character in the film...

yea, marcus was one note, but sam worthington did the best with what he was given...

what was the point of having women characters in the film if they don't get SHIT to do...

how do you waste: Bryce Dallas Howard (Kate), Moon Bloodgold (Blair), Jane Alexander (Virginia), Jadagrace Berry (Star), and Helena Bonham Carter (Dr. Serena Kogan)...its almost like they were thrown in as after thoughts....

i expected them to haphazardly address the random ass timelines, i.e. how is teenaged Kyle Reese even in this film? exactly how did Marcus Wright just end up in 2018 (and the explanation given at the end was lame...)? how did skynet know who kyle reese was? who gave them that info, etc.

it was a B- film...lots of cute special effects, but lame everywhere else...

im sure it will make back it's 200 million dollar budget in NO time...*snark*

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59. "so THAT's what happened =\"
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i could feel it
i wanted to know more about HIM

i'm like ok i'm done with john

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61. "yea like if he was to be executed..."
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why sign your body over to science?

and am i the only one who thought that it was MORE than a coincidence that he was chosen, etc.?

i mean, its a summer movie im not expecting deep meanings but damn..a little cohesion would have been nice...

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60. "twas ok..."
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found the terminator more interesting
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62. "Boring and mediocre"
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I didn't care about any of the people, SKYNET's plan was lame, SKYNET itself acted like a James Bond villain at the end, and some of the most important sci fi themes of the franchise got chucked seemingly for no reason.

There was way too much energy put into making COOL HIGH TECH ROBOT STUFF and not enough on Who are these people and why do they matter to the audience.

The past is my foundation, not my preoccupation.

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70. "SEES THIS..."
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>I didn't care about any of the people, SKYNET's plan was
>lame, SKYNET itself acted like a James Bond villain at the
>end, and some of the most important sci fi themes of the
>franchise got chucked seemingly for no reason.
>
>There was way too much energy put into making COOL HIGH TECH
>ROBOT STUFF and not enough on Who are these people and why do
>they matter to the audience.

Truthfully, the story was marcus wright...john connor was an AFTERTHOUGHT...

if the studio had balls, they would have taken a risk and had worthington as the lead...i love christian bale in all his talent, edge, and weirdness, but he was distracting...

i know it's sci-fi but nothing wrong with some character development..nothing at all...

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63. "i liked it"
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pretty uncompromisingly brutal

  

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78. "RE: i liked it"
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word

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64. "shit was OK, but the story, plot, and acting were mediocre"
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common w/ the cliche "black man" lines (i.e., "for my brutha" and "ok brutha" oh and the best of all... "it's beautiful") i mean wtf??? half of common's lines didn't even make sense w/in the context of the scene. it's almost as if the director was like "ok common, say something black" ... cmon

oh and did anyone else find it funny how thirsty moon bloodgood was for marcus after he saved her life. that jawn was all in his grill @ the drop of a dime. THEN, it seemed like she was tryna get some terminator dick @ the end ... like bitch, he a damn machine! calm down!

but yea, effects and action scenes were above average. honestly, the 20 minutes of action in the middle that is the only part worth watching. i'll probably extract that one scene and never watch the movie in entirety again.

  

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65. "also, the whole time travel shit just gets very convoluted and dumb"
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i mean, first the machines send a terminator back in time to kill john connor's dad so he can't birth john connor, who will destroy skynet?

then they send a terminator back to kill john and sarah connor after failing to kill his pops.

then they send ANOTHER terminator back to kill john connor after failing to kill john connor a SECOND TIME.

NOW it's the future (or present) and john connor is trying to save his pops from being killed by the machines who are somehow aware of the past, yet are trying to kill john connor (not john reece), the same machines who send a terminator back in time to kill john reece so john connor couldn't be born...


well, why in the fuck don't the machines keep sending niggas back in time FOREVER? so you can only send a dude back in time once? no. exactly. so let's keep sending these terminator niggas every 5 minutes till they get the job done...

shit, why the fuck didn't the humans send the terminator back earlier before skynet was even a notion and get the job done that way???


i mean, this whole time travel shit is just really dumb imo.

  

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66. "that's the real question."
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You'd think after the first time they sent a terminator to kill John Connor and it didn't work, the next time they'd send...2 or 3.

It's not like the robots can only afford to send 1 at a time. Like they got to pay an unreasonably high postage whenever they send something back in time.

  

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67. "There's a strict one Terminator at a time rule, apparently."
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Like when they're walking around Skynet and Checkov says "Wow look at them all" and then they only send Ahnuld in after them. You'd think it would have been like Aliens in Skynet, with tons of Terminators coming after them.

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69. "RE: also, the whole time travel shit just gets very convoluted and dumb"
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>i mean, first the machines send a terminator back in time to
>kill john connor's dad so he can't birth john connor, who will
>destroy skynet?

they sent the terminator back to kill his mom before she gives birth to him...John Sent Kyle Reese back to protect his mom, and ultimately become his father.

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76. "I guess a better question would be this:"
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Did they really send the terminator back to kill Sarah Connor, or did they send it back so that Skynet would find the pieces of the destroyed terminator to develop the technology that would eventually create the machines?

  

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80. "*head explodes*"
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82. "LMAO...ditto..."
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84. "no time travel in this one"
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>i mean, first the machines send a terminator back in time to
>kill john connor's dad so he can't birth john connor, who will
>destroy skynet?
>
>then they send a terminator back to kill john and sarah connor
>after failing to kill his pops.
>
>then they send ANOTHER terminator back to kill john connor
>after failing to kill john connor a SECOND TIME.
>
>NOW it's the future (or present) and john connor is trying to
>save his pops from being killed by the machines who are
>somehow aware of the past, yet are trying to kill john connor
>(not john reece), the same machines who send a terminator back
>in time to kill john reece so john connor couldn't be born...
>
>
>well, why in the fuck don't the machines keep sending niggas
>back in time FOREVER? so you can only send a dude back in time
>once? no. exactly. so let's keep sending these terminator
>niggas every 5 minutes till they get the job done...
>
>shit, why the fuck didn't the humans send the terminator back
>earlier before skynet was even a notion and get the job done
>that way???
>
>
>i mean, this whole time travel shit is just really dumb imo.

  

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68. "*shrugs*"
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it was okay...but fuck it...TSCC better....


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71. "not very good"
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some of the action was dope... but it didnt even feel like a Terminator, it just felt like a war with robots.

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72. "Y'all spaztics are hyper-analyzing this joint.."
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It's a seriously entertaining popcorn flick. For sheer entertainment value, almost as good as Star Trek. It's just good fun, nothing more.

This isn't on some Jean-Luc Godard level of filmmaking here. Do we really care how evolved it is when we know the subject matter is robots blowing shit up? I mean, really? You all want to sharpen your critic's axes on this and dissect it limb-by-limb? GTFOOH.

We all know Common can't act and has a Soho-worthy beard trim going on in a post-apocalyptic landscape and we know that Christian Bale is the same in every film, but who fucking cares? I mean, really?

How can you ever enjoy a movie when you're prying it apart in your mind as you watch it? I know I could never enjoy a film again if I were constantly micro-intellectualizing it's every component.

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74. "no."
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>It's a seriously entertaining popcorn flick. For sheer
>entertainment value, almost as good as Star Trek. It's just
>good fun, nothing more.

I almost stopped reading after this. Star Trek was an amazing film on so many levels... I cant believe you seriously just compared them.



>This isn't on some Jean-Luc Godard level of filmmaking here.
>Do we really care how evolved it is when we know the subject
>matter is robots blowing shit up? I mean, really? You all want
>to sharpen your critic's axes on this and dissect it
>limb-by-limb? GTFOOH.

This is not an action movie, this is a Terminator movie, one of the most popular and successful brands in entertainment. Say what you want about T3, but T1, T2 and TSCC cemented its legacy. You cant just have explosions and slap the Terminator brand on it and expect it to be fine. You have to live up to the franchise and blowing shit up is not enough. FOH.



>We all know Common can't act and has a Soho-worthy beard trim
>going on in a post-apocalyptic landscape and we know that
>Christian Bale is the same in every film, but who fucking
>cares? I mean, really?

We all know Common sucks, no one's gonna try to defend him... but Christian Bale? He is NOT the same in every film. Have you seen his catalog? He's a tremendous actor and was excellent in American Psycho, The Prestige, Rescue Dawn, etc. Do you really think his only acting prowess is the bat growl?


>How can you ever enjoy a movie when you're prying it apart in
>your mind as you watch it? I know I could never enjoy a film
>again if I were constantly micro-intellectualizing it's every
>component.

Because some of the shit was so cringeworthy and flat out retarded that you cant appreciate it. The Arnold scene was beyond corny and so was the I'll Be Back line. Like I said, this is a new installment in a cherished franchise. You're damn right I'm gonna hold a Terminator movie to a higher regard than any standard run-of-the-mill action movie. Would you seriously say that the older Terminator movies were all about action? The story was the main backbone to it.

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75. "And there we have it!"
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Thank you Biscuit for the "Y'all expectin' too much" reply of the post. I was hoping we'd make it to Sunday before this, oh well...

>How can you ever enjoy a movie when you're prying it apart in
>your mind as you watch it? I know I could never enjoy a film
>again if I were constantly micro-intellectualizing it's every
>component.

If the characters and story reel me in then I don't ask questions. I loved Taken and that was two hours of Liam Neeson chopping people in the throat. I was a big fan of Live Free or Die Hard even though it is filled with implausible action scenes. I think Predator should be the starting template for every action movie. Hell, Fast and Furious was a better popcorn movie than this; it had nothing to it but car chases but the pacing was quick and it was tight.

T2 was a very good movie. Much more than just robots blowing up shit. This film isn't even CLOSE to being as good as that because the story/plot points were nonsense. On the other hand, it wasn't pared down enough to even come close to the simpler original film.

The shit was boring. They should have cut out half of the characters in this movie and just made it one long chase/action scene.

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73. "RE: better than wolverine"
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Grade B
TS a more linear story with a barely there plot whereas Wolverine had too many storylines and characters and less linear story.

  

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81. "a terd on a stick would be better than Wolverine"
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79. "This movie could have been sooo much better..."
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I think that is my beef with it...the actors are great...the story was great...they could've done so much better with it though...

Plot Hole #1

Skynet does this experiment with Marcus Wright so that they can capture BOTH Kyle Reese and John Connor...yet, in 2018....no one KNOWS that Kyle is going to be John's father...so why would Skynet even make Kyle a target...if u remember part 1 when Kyle tells Sarah that the fathers identity was NEVER known...the only thing known is that he died before the war...

  

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85. "plot hole # 2 "
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How did Skynet send Marcus to find Kyle / John...?

All we know is that he wakes up...walks around the dessert and coincidentally is SAVED by Kyle...

there were alot of moments where I felt like my intelligence was being insulted.

  

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88. "just focus on the shit getting blown up"
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and all those questions disappear, lol.
but no u and others have made good points in regard to the plot holes.
I think they should have focused more on Marcus Wright, like someone mentioned the original script did, instead of having John Connor be the focus.

  

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91. "that was me..."
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>I think they should have focused more on Marcus Wright, like
>someone mentioned the original script did, instead of having
>John Connor be the focus.


even in the final product, you could TELL the movie was marcus centric..i mean, sam worthington was in like, i don't know 90% of the film...bale wasn't even important at all...

i know McG and the studio wanted to capitalize off of Bale recently being in Batman..but, bale should have fallen back and just been secondary...folk would have come...that AND the screenwriters had more time to deal with the wackness of the plotting....

i get that blockbusters need established stars to bring in the money, but this was a PURE example of letting a relative newcomer SHINE because Sam Worthington, for what little he was given, was probably the best thing about T4..that and the cinematography and visual/special effects.

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96. "agree with everything you said"
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and like you mentioned down below, they could have used Blaire (Mooon Bloodgood) more. built on the relationship b/w her and Marcus...drawn that out a bit and then had her find out he was a Terminator later on in the story instead of 5-10 min later.

  

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141. "RE: plot hole # 2 "
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>How did Skynet send Marcus to find Kyle / John...?
>
>All we know is that he wakes up...walks around the dessert and
>coincidentally is SAVED by Kyle...
>
>there were alot of moments where I felt like my intelligence
>was being insulted.

i'm not sure exactly (gotta watch the movie again to make sure), but i assume he was dropped off and "awaken" nearby the outskirts of LA. i presume that skynet knew kyle reese is somewhere within that location and marcus was "programmed" to find reese and conner. the coincidence was NO coincidence at all.

  

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140. "not explained in the movie, but there's a logical explanation"
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>I think that is my beef with it...the actors are great...the
>story was great...they could've done so much better with it
>though...
>
>Plot Hole #1
>
>Skynet does this experiment with Marcus Wright so that they
>can capture BOTH Kyle Reese and John Connor...yet, in
>2018....no one KNOWS that Kyle is going to be John's
>father...so why would Skynet even make Kyle a target...if u
>remember part 1 when Kyle tells Sarah that the fathers
>identity was NEVER known...the only thing known is that he
>died before the war...
>


kyle may not of ever known he was john conner's father, due to john conner never telling him. however, that does not stop from skynet learning this due to the process of elimination. if they known that john conner was "the chosen one", they had to of done their research on who the father was. if they knew the history of a 1st terminator going after sarah conner BEFORE she was pregnant, and musta learned that kyle reese was sent there as her protector, then 9 months later john conner is born...then you do the math from there

  

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i wouldnt watch it again on cable when it comes out. the beginning was better than the middle and end. it was more about marcus than connor. so it def left plenty room for more terminators.

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89. "Garbage. DO NOT GO SEE THIS MOVIE! PLEASE"
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Bale overacts
Lots of bad casting
Common has the WORST line in the movie

Total crap!

  

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92. "they ALL overact...expect for "
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sam worthington (marcus), bryce dallas howard (kate), and moon bloodgood (blair)..they all UNDER acted and in the case of bryce and moon--were seriously underused...

Common--just needs to NOT act. period

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152. ""It worked. It's beautiful!""
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That shit cracked me up.

Com is a fool.

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90. "it defied most of my expectations. il iked it. n/m"
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93. "How were the lights??"
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94. "The look of the film was the best part of the film, really."
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Hurlbut >>> Bale in this flick.

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105. "Thats hilarious."
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95. "shit..i enjoyed it for the most part"
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When it comes to the whole time traveling thing..when you start making sequels it really gets all fuzzy and messed up, so I really stopped trying to make sense of it after the second Terminator film.

Sam Worthington as Marcus was definitely the highlight and best thing about the film. I loved his character and would love to see more films based on his character. And ladies...he was damn sexy throughout the movie.

Christian Bale as John Connor was also good, but got outshined by Sam Worthington.

Anyways I thought it was a good action flick, it held my attention and it had a good pace.

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97. "It started off slow, but picked up toward the end considerably."
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The problem with this film's premise (and its future subsequent sequels) is predictability. The audience has (too?) much knowledge as to what will happen, more than with the Star Wars prequels, and ultimately, that could make a boring movie.

'Terminator Salvation' seems to wander a bit in the beginning with a series of action beats that do not do much for the story, however, the character of Marcus Wright keeps the film interesting, as each scene kept me wanting to know more about what he is exactly.

It's when Blair and Marcus finally arrive at Connor's Resistance hideout that the pace picks up, which has a lot to do with Connor realizing that his idea and preparation of what he's supposed to endure is turned on its head, and he faces the dilemma of working with his perceived enemy to save his "father" against destroying Marcus and thus having a lower chance of saving Kyle.

Connor chooses the latter and falls for Skynet's okeydoke to kill Connor and Kyle at the same time, which heightens the unpredictability factor of the flick. The final fight between Connor, the T-800, and Marcus is suspenseful, especially given its conclusion, by which allows Marcus to redeem himself against his objective to infiltrate the Resistance and set up Skynet to kill Connor and Kyle.

Overall, I'd give the movie 7.5-8/10. What hurts the film is its slow pace in the beginning, but in addition to what happens after that (what I enjoyed), I think that:

- The T-800's introduction was very well-done. It's easily the best I've seen of both imposition-of-heads-on-another-body effects and CGI de-aging.

- The fact that molten steel did not destroy the T-800 was an interesting switch from what the audience may have perceived about 'T2'. Does that mean that some (if not all) of the T-800 remained intact enough to make the Judgment Day seen in 'T3' possible? Did Cyberdyne retain enough info about the original microchip that its destruction was inconsequential? Was this T-800 simply an improvement over the models used from 'T2'? Answering these questions in some form in the sequel(s) would be good.

- Kyle not being killed immediately was bad writing, until I realized that if Skynet did so, Connor probably would have agreed with Resistance HQ to bomb Skynet HQ, which probably wouldn't have worked anyway since Skynet had the HQ pinpointed for termination. Also, to clear up why Kyle was targeted above Connor, I believe that may have to do with Cyberdyne knowing that Kyle helped to prevent the first T-800 from killing Sarah Connor from either the 'T1' or 'T2' (if it did survive the molten steel) microchip, and so killing him first would provide Skynet with a fail-safe plan: if they kill Connor in the "present", that's good, but if they have to resort to going to the past to terminate him, it's improbable that anyone else would protect Sarah Connor as well as Kyle did (not to mention that Kyle is his "father" and is younger and maybe easier to kill).

- Even though John Connor says, "The only fate is what we make," the end result of each of these movies is that what is told to happen, does happen. In 'T1', Sarah Connor still becomes pregnant with John Connor (by a different father than the initial timeline?), in 'T3', the nuclear holocaust still happens after crisis was only postponed due to 'T2', and in 'T4', Connor still survives, seemingly attains a higher rank in the Resistance, meets Kyle Reese, gets his scars, and scores a large victory against Skynet. 'T2' is the anomaly in that it seems closed-ended, especially if you'd seen the alternate ending during the film's theatrical release (Judgment Day is averted indefinitely, John Connor becomes a Senator) (though the ride at Universal Studios may kill that), but since these movies follow the same continuity, maybe those questions I asked receive "yes" as an answer or the fate of John Connor and the world is simply inevitable.

- Anton Yelchin did a good job as a young Kyle Reese, but Jonathan Jackson (Kyle Reese from 'Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles') is a dead ringer for Michael Biehn in both look and vocals. I know that the TV series probably doesn't follow the film's continuity, but I think if Jackson plays the older Kyle Reese in the rest of these movies, the films as a whole would connect more smoothly (unless they can get Biehn to play him again with the CGI de-aging effects they used on Arnold).

I'm excited about what direction they'll take the sequels in to keep them from being predictable. I hear that Robert Patrick may return to explore the creation of the T-1000. One thing that I hope is explained is how the T-800 ages when the Resistance uses it.

  

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98. "Shit, I liked it..."
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Better than 3, incredible cinematography, cool effects, a story that wasn't too convoluted if you just take it for what it is, cast was good for the most part (Worthington stole the show, but I thought Bale was good too)...

I don't understand the hate. I liked Wolverine too, but I understand where people wouldn't like it... This one is confusing me...

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99. "My biggest gripe with the movie was how dumb Skynet was (spoilers)"
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Skynet had the foresight to create Marcus as the ultimate inflitrator. However,,,
- Even though they had identified Kyle Reese as John's father still felt the need to use Kyle to lure John Connor to Skynet so that they could kill him as opposed to just killing Kyle.
- So they get John Connor into Skynet where there are a factories worth of Terminators but decided to try and kill John with one single Arnold model. Why? For the sake of irony?
- When the Arnold model fought Marcus, it was able to identify Marcus' weakness and neutralize him yet it couldn't take care of John Connor despite having his metel grip on him at least four times, once around his neck. Was his directive "Eliminate John Connor...slooowllly"
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100. "Kinda felt like a bad episode of BSG: Caprica to me"
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The whole resistance vs machines, and the whole helo/blair markus/sharon thing.

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101. "First half or so was excellent.....the rest just left me dissapointed"
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Considering the cast, the budget, the absolutely amazing effects, .....this coulda been so much better.

The 2nd half was just so convoluted and just so haphazard in terms of the focus and execution.....all the shit in SF just was not exciting, and quite anti-climactic.

This isn't even considering all the plot holes lol.

I would suggest watching it in theaters just to see the first half....the atmosphere and visuals were just ridiculous.

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103. "My brother told me that on NO circumstance are you to go see it"
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he said it was trash

  

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104. "Honestly I think folks' nostaligia is clouding their memory..."
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I'm not saying that Terminator Salvation was great, but folks are acting as if the franchise hasn't always been riddled with time travel paradoxes, mediocre acting and corny dialogue.

"Come with me if you want to live" and "i'll be back" has been in EVERY movie. Everyone's beloved T2 has Arnold saying "Hasta La Vista" and "No Problemo." T2 has Eddie Furlung's terrible acting. T2 has a little kid teaching a robot assassin to be more human. And the last scene has Arnold giving the thumbs up as he decends into a pit of lava. It has motorcycle chases to Guns and Roses songs. C'mon, folks. Let's not over-romanticize the franchise.

I think people wanted this movie to be as good as they remember the franchise being. If the previous installments came out today, people would be hating on it harder than this movie.

Yes, this movie has it's flaws.
But honestly, i rolled my eyes a lot less than I did during that Star Trek reboot.





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112. "Oh, no doubt. T2's legacy is coated with thick nostalgia."
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What it has is an awesome villain and a few awesome action sequences. But the boy/child stuff and Linda Hamilton's long narration bits are pretty rough.

T3 is better than T2.

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113. "RE: Oh, no doubt. T2's legacy is coated with thick nostalgia."
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I see the first Terminator as a sci-fi adventure masterpiece that each subsequent movie has tarnished.

  

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123. "T3 is not better than T2...."
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I admit that there's quite a bit of nostalgia attached to T2, after all it is one of the GOAT action movies. But T3 really undid the whole point of the first two films.
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126. "Frank Longo is "The Shockinator""
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118. "exactly..."
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and the plot holes just become more apparent with each sequel since they are building plot holes on top of plot holes, lol

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106. "LOL # Skynet monologuing and Terry Crews as random dead guy"
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107. "Skynet must be a Mac because"
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It is the dumbest piece of shit computer in all of existance.

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108. "STOP the MAC hate..."
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don't blame MAC for the idiocy that is Skynet...blame Gateway THOSE computers are dumbest computers on the face of the planet..im saying though.

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117. "Stop it. LOL. Skynet went online with Windows XP."
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According to the movie's canon Skynet was eaten up by USAF, and the USAF uses what?

what?

that's right WINDOWS!


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109. "CHUD breaks it DOWN"
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about the issues with Terminator Salvation:

http://chud.com/articles/articles/19577/1/EXCLUSIVE-WHAT-WENT-WRONG-WITH-TERMINATOR-SALVATION/Page1.html

CHUD is QUITE thorough on what went wrong with this movie...

VERY THOROUGH...

This article, while about an alternate version of Terminator Salvation, does contain spoilers for the version in theaters now.

Devin Faraci

The Terminator Salvation you saw on movie screens this weekend was not always the Terminator Salvation that was meant to be. Like in the franchise itself, history has been changed, and the original script for Terminator Salvation ended up getting gutted. You can still see the outlines of that script in the current film (a form of deja vu, as similar vestigial script elements can be seen in this summer's blockbuster hit Star Trek), but the specifics that might have made Terminator Salvation if not better at least more interesting are gone.

What caused these massive changes? And what were they? The biggest change came when McG flew to the UK to talk to Christian Bale about starring in the fourth Terminator movie. The director wanted the Batman star to play Marcus Wright, the cyborg protagonist of the script. But Bale focused on another part: John Connor. The only problem is that John Connor had about three minutes of screen time in the entire film; most of Connor's moments were played offscreen. In the original script John Connor was the secretive leader of the Resistance. He lived on the HQ sub, and almost no one saw his face, so as to keep him hidden from the robots. Connor made radio addresses and existed as a legend for the fighting men and women of the Resistance, but in the original script Connor didn't show up onscreen until the last minutes of the movie.

You may remember in late 2007 when the rumor that Bale was signing on to Terminator 4 surfaced there were two competing reports: while Aint It Cool had Bale tipped to play Connor, we had him tipped to play a Terminator. As you can see both are correct; for a little while people involved in the film were assuming that Bale was going to let go of the Connor idea and move over to the Marcus role, but he had something else up his sleeve: massive rewrites to beef up the John Connor role.

Watching Terminator Salvation as it exists in theaters it's easy to see that this was a bad idea. The script that ended up getting shot never quite finds anything for John Connor to do. If you were to remove Connor from the film, relegating him once again to radio voice over, almost none of the film's plot would be changed. It's likely that the new Connor scenes were the work of Jonathan Nolan, who did do a lot of writing on the film, but who was denied credit by the WGA. The reason would be that all of the work Nolan did was cosmetic - adding Connor scenes that had no bearing on the film's structure or plot.

Bale's desire to star as John Connor was probably the most fatal blow to the film; it completely distorted the shape of the story as it existed. But the other fatal blow came from the internet. When the original ending of the script leaked - John Connor is killed by a Terminator and has his skin grafted onto Marcus Wright, who takes up the shadowy leader's place as the leader of the Resistance - many people went crazy. On the surface it seemed like a major slap in the face of the franchise, and doubly so on paper: John Connor, the guy who the entire franchise is ostensibly about, shows up for two and a half pages, gets killed and has his face transplanted onto a robot (in the original script it's actually just the face that gets slapped on Marcus).

There are differing reports as to how far that ending made it. McG has gone on the record again and again saying that was never the ending he wanted (he came on to the project after the script we're talking about here was written), but there's a lot of contrary evidence, including on-set reports that have 'Connor becomes robot' written on production calendars. The entire finished film itself feels like evidence that the original ending was always the intended ending. The movie seems to be inexorably building towards the 'Connor dies' finale, including elements like endless scenes featuring Sarah Connor's tapes, obviously intended to give Marcus/Connor a primer on John Connor's life and destiny. In fact, when John Connor got a pole through the chest I was excited - had McG been lying to us all along and kept the original ending?

Of course he wasn't. The film's biggest weakness comes in the final minutes, which feel almost completely slapped on, as the character we've been following makes a sudden and boring sacrifice. The air just explodes out of the movie as John Connor's rescue feels utterly unearned, and the ending of the movie is so final that you walk out of the theater not caring whether or not the future war is ever again revisited.

So what might have been? Before the Bale rewrites and before the internet kiboshed the original ending?

With John Connor relegated to the shadows for most of the film, the original Terminator Salvation focused more on the relationship between Kyle and Marcus. Star was always there, and was essentially always just as useless, but without the constant cutaways to pointless Connor scenes the film was able to delve more into Kyle/Marcus. The script spent time examining what it was like living in a post-apocalyptic world, and was more definitively R-rated. At the gas station Marcus saves Kyle and Star from a group of cannibals, throwing one of them into an open fire (intended as a callback to the biker on the stove in T2. It's important to note that the original script by extraordinary hacks Brancato and Ferris - the guys who wrote The Net, Catwoman and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines - is not some discarded gem. It's got plenty of problems of its own).

But again, with Connor out of the script the relationship between Kyle and Marcus gets to grow, which gives Marcus' later quest to rescue Kyle more weight. And the early scenes where Kyle can't drive are paid off in this script, first with a sequence where Marcus teaches him to drive and later, in the third act, where Kyle gets the final heroic beat he's missing in the finished film.

As in the final film Kyle and Star are captured by Skynet and transported to Skynet City, but with one major change: Skynet has no idea who Kyle Reese is. This is a point that bothers many viewers of the final film; I'm not radically concerned, as Kyle Reese's time traveling shenanigans are public record enough that it's believable Skynet would have found out about him while taking over the world's computer networks. But by having Skynet not know who Kyle is the original script removes the machines' idiotic plan to bring John Connor to Skynet City instead of simply killing his dad. This feels like the kind of change that was made to give John Connor more to do, since the whole sequence where Connor convinces the Resistance forces to step down doesn't occur in this script (and why would it? He's Michael Ironsides in this movie).

Marcus' adventures with Blair are slightly different. In the original script he saves Blair from a pack of rabid wolves as opposed to horny rapists. This scene was important because it gives Marcus his first awareness that he's much faster and stronger than he used to be, something he couldn't quite prove against humans in a PG-13 movie (although could you wreck a group of wolves in a PG-13 movie?). In the finished film Blair and Marcus have a tender moment; the original script takes things very, very differently: Blair offers Marcus a STAF. That's Sit Tight And Fuck, a phrase in common use in the Resistance. See, it's a horrible, miserable future and the humans of the time have gotten over their petty prudery. If the only joy they can get is fucking, why not take it? Life is cheap and they may not live to see the next night, so tap whatever ass you can.

The next big change comes when Marcus is captured by the Resistance. John Connor remains offscreen and he interrogates Marcus via com-link. But Connor is thinking like the John Connor who has become used to temporal assassination attempts, and he believes that Marcus has been sent from an even more advanced future to kill him. Meanwhile, we have more cutaways to Kyle Reese being transported to Skynet City; this script really forwards Reese in a way that the finished movie fails to do.

Marcus escapes the Resistance more or less as seen in the finished and heads to Skynet City. And it's here that the major changes really come into play.

In the original script the title Terminator Salvation actually meant something. Watching the finished film it's hard to figure out why it has that name - is it because Marcus saves Connor's life in the last minute? In the original script Serena has a bigger role than a quick cameo, and she explains the salvation element.

Marcus comes to Skynet City and finds... a seaside resort populated with humans. He sees Terminator landscapers! It turns out that Skynet hasn't been trying to wipe out humanity. It's been trying to save us.

This is perhaps the most bizarre idea in the whole script, and the one that most obviously doesn't work. It seems as though Brancato and Ferris thought people liked the Matrix sequels, as this all feels like it could be in those films. See, Serena heads Project ANGEL, which is making Hybrids (ie, Cyborgs). The reason? Skynet did a calculation and realized that humanity was going to be extinct in 200 years; the machines decided to save a few by turning them into Hybrids and wipe the rest out. It makes no sense, and is the kind of thing that makes you wonder if these guys ever even watched the previous Terminator films.

What's fascinating is that the Project ANGEL stuff lasted well into production. While I was on set I was given a security badge that gave me access to all the stages; it had Project ANGEL's logo on it. While being given a tour of pre-production artwork we were told more about Project ANGEL and the role it would have in the movie, a role that's completely removed from the final film. At the time I visited the set it seemed like Serena was going to show up in person at the end of the movie, just as she does in the script, and I saw artwork depicting that.

It's here that you can really understand where Terminator Salvation fell to pieces. The film was being rewritten, piecemeal, on the set. Instead of re-engineering the whole picture it seems like McG and company were just tackling each segment, figuring out how to get John Connor more involved without fixing the underlying structure at which they were picking away.

Serena, a cyborg herself, meets Marcus and explains Project ANGEL and the seaside resort to him. She also explains the Transport chip - it's embedded in all cyborgs and prevents them from feeling pain and emotion. She then gives Marcus a tour of the whole Skynet City, showing off the T-800s that are being developed and giving him a peak at the T-1000 and T-X in the earliest stages. She also shows him the time machine technology they've been working on, and the neural net AI database of human brains, which will allow the Terminators to better act like humans and as such better infiltrate human encampments.

Then the big shock: Marcus is too late. Kyle's brain has been removed and he's been uploaded to the neural net database, and Star has been terminated. All hope is lost, and Serena has activated his Transport chip, so Marcus can't do anything.

Just then there's an explosion. Serena is distracted and, just like in the finished film (where it actually makes less sense), Marcus rips out his Transport chip. He then jumps into the time machine, which burns his clothes off, and he goes back in time just far enough to rescue Kyle and Star, grab a laser weapon and set off the explosion that distracted Serena (whether or not Brancato and Ferris were watching Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey while writing this scene is unconfirmed). And then the action begins.

The trio try to escape Skynet City with Kyle driving an ATV, paying off his driving lessons. They're pursued by Hunter/Killer Terminator Tanks, and they take most of them out as they rip through the seaside resort (including killing one Tank by... making it drive into a pool), but they end up on a dock and with one last H/K tank about to end them. Then suddenly Blair shows up leading an airstrike that destroys the tank. Then the sub surfaces, and John Connor finally makes his appearance, leading human troops in combat against the Terminators at the resort. Connor and Kyle meet, but it's not a big moment.

Marcus has rescued a bunch of humans while at Skynet City and the Resistance take them aboard the sub. Everybody is happy and it seems like the Resistance has won the day when Marcus suddenly realizes that Serena is among the refugees. She attacks, blowing off his arm and gut shooting John Connor. Fade to black.

Later Marcus wakes up in the hospital. Blair tells him that they're covering up Project ANGEL - even within the film this was too stupid to let anyone know about it. But there's bad news: John Connor's not going to make it. His wound is fatal. On his death bed John Connor gives Kyle the picture of Sarah Connor (when I interviewed Anton Yelchin he confirmed that this scene had been cut before shooting, which he thought was a good idea. That does make it seem like the original ending was never intended for production). John and Kate beg Marcus to take up the mantle of John Connor - since no one has really seen him anybody can be him. The legend is bigger than the man, they insist.

Marcus agrees, and John Connor's face is grafted onto Marcus (this, it turns out, is the source of Connor's scars. You would think they would have cut off his face from the back of the head, under the hair, but I guess not), despite the fact that nobody really knows what Connor looks like anyway. But it's done, and Connor dies and Marcus now must step up and lead the Resistance into the future.

In a lot of ways the original Terminator Salvation script is still poking through in the final film. In fact, except for the additional John Connor nonsense in the first two acts, the opening two-thirds of the movie (minus the prologue, which was not in this script) more or less follow the original beats. These are the best parts of the movie, and it's when the finished film moves into the third act that everything starts falling apart. It's obvious that McG and Jonathan Nolan never really cracked their own third act, and without the death of John Connor they never found a reason for this movie to even exist. In effect what they've done with their undercooked third act is make a movie that's a TV episode - in the end everything is more or less back at the status quo. And by backgrounding Kyle and robbing him of his third act heroics, the finished film has taken away its only other good reason to exist, namely that it's the beginnings of the Connor/Reese friendship.

Would the original ending have worked? People would have walked out of theaters mad, no doubt. But it was a ballsy idea that could have been executed better than it was in the script. You don't even need to do the face transplant - have Marcus be the original owner of those John Connor scars the whole movie and they'd read like a reveal at the finale. The ending of Salvation now is so pat that it isn't the opening of a new trilogy but just another boring prequel, setting up things we already knew about. Killing Connor would have been shocking and would have added drama to the upcoming installments. Hell, it sounds like Skynet City offered pretty great technology to the heroes - why not have Connor's brain downloaded into Marcus' body?

These are all pointless considerations now. The finished film opted to play utterly safe, and as a result it's a lump without buzz or excitement. Ironically Bale's demand to beef up John Connor, which led to a final film that is utterly distended, would have perfectly set up the character's demise. The biggest problem with Connor dying at the end of the original script is that his death carries no weight as he's a nobody throughout the film. But in the current movie, which feels like it's building to that death, it would have been the kind of surprise that works, one that's had a foundation laid.

The beefing up of Connor led to the diminishment of Reese, a big problem in the final product. Anton Yelchin came on to Terminator Salvation at a time when he was the second lead; I imagine his demotion must have been disheartening. And to audiences it's disappointing as Yelchin is the best actor in the piece. A Terminator Salvation with twice as much Yelchin might very well have been a movie that was more enjoyable, in the same way that Star Trek overcomes its script handicaps with great casting.

Looking at this weekend's box office it's likely that Terminator Salvation is the end of the franchise. And it's probably the end of Christian Bale forcing major rewrites on projects as well. I do think that a smarter rewrite of the original Brancato/Ferris script, one that allowed for a truly shocking ending, might have turned out a film whose failure at the box office would have been worth mourning. While I enjoyed myself watching Salvation, at no point did I really give a shit about what was happening or what was going to happen next in the series. McG and Nolan muddied the end of the picture, delivering action generics (yet another Terminator fight in a factory) while never finding their own hook that would give this movie more of an impact than you would get from an expanded universe novel. The only thing that was really, truly broken in Brancato and Ferris' script was Project ANGEL, and the finished film doesn't really give Skynet any better motivation for collecting humans. McG, fearing the fan backlash (which was already starting when the original ending leaked) opted to 'fix' the element that least needed fixing.

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111. "i did laugh"
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and i know i shouldn't have...

but CHUD is good for being some interesting, yet ultimately hilarious commentary.

but the reality is that even if connor was supporting and they went with the original script, it was so full of plotholes that it still would have been a failure...albeit one that performed a little better this weekend....

i'm waiting for the "who's blaming who" for this box office bomb...

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From WB perspective, I don't know how they would have sold that movie with a Bale as John Connor but not seen until the end.

That said, McG should have just told Bale "Thanks but no thanks"
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115. "true and honestly..."
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i would have LOVED to have seen what would have happened IF they went with the original script....

but, its warner bros. and they shelled out 200 million dollars for this you KNOW they weren't going there...


>From WB perspective, I don't know how they would have sold
>that movie with a Bale as John Connor but not seen until the
>end.

well, clearly, the original script was a hard sell also, so either way--as evidenced by this weekend's box office draw, the film was doomed to bomb at the box office.

>That said, McG should have just told Bale "Thanks but no
>thanks"
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but McG WANTED bale...period. he went on the notion that (well he was batman he can OPEN ANY MOVIE and it will SELL, etc.) this would be the key that would get fans to watch the movie...

it didnt happen....

I like christian bale, but he can't open everything...and sam worthington outshined him the entire movie....i think i would have been more game to see sam worthington in the lead than christian bale...

but who knows?

i DO know Terminator 5 is in development with bale set to star and i think most of the cast in 4 will be back....

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119. "this sounds a little eerily too similar to th Evangelion series"
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>Marcus comes to Skynet City and finds... a seaside resort
>populated with humans. He sees Terminator landscapers! It
>turns out that Skynet hasn't been trying to wipe out humanity.
>It's been trying to save us.
>
>This is perhaps the most bizarre idea in the whole script, and
>the one that most obviously doesn't work. It seems as though
>Brancato and Ferris thought people liked the Matrix sequels,
>as this all feels like it could be in those films. See, Serena
>heads Project ANGEL, which is making Hybrids (ie, Cyborgs).
>The reason? Skynet did a calculation and realized that
>humanity was going to be extinct in 200 years; the machines
>decided to save a few by turning them into Hybrids and wipe
>the rest out. It makes no sense, and is the kind of thing that
>makes you wonder if these guys ever even watched the previous
>Terminator films.
>
>What's fascinating is that the Project ANGEL stuff lasted well
>into production. While I was on set I was given a security
>badge that gave me access to all the stages; it had Project
>ANGEL's logo on it. While being given a tour of pre-production
>artwork we were told more about Project ANGEL and the role it
>would have in the movie, a role that's completely removed from
>the final film. At the time I visited the set it seemed like
>Serena was going to show up in person at the end of the movie,
>just as she does in the script, and I saw artwork depicting
>that.

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134. "RE: STAF!!"
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116. "It was a Terminator movie and yeah I liked it"
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120. "I thought it was pretty damn good..."
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I wasn't as confused as some of the rest of you seem to be.

The first Terminator was sent back to kill Sarah Connor before she gave birth to John. John sent Kyle because he knew he was his father. Skynet in the first one had no idea who John's daddy was at that time. The second one, the Terminator was sent back to protect them and to get the technology that caused the machines to be made in the first place, the failed cause the arm was discovered and the technology was created anyway. I have no idea the point of the third one.

So this one Skynet knows what is going to happen in the future and programmed dude to lure them both into their headquarters. That is why they knew where their asses were in that submarine. They were all but dead until dude git a conscious. Had he not decided he was huuman, John and Kyle would have died and Skynet would have won. The Resistance would have died with either of their death, but they just got greedy trying to take them both out at the same time.




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124. "RE: I thought it was pretty damn good..."
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> I have no idea the point of the third one.

To keep him from meeting his future wife, and other resistance members I believe, until the TX accidentally stumbles upon John.

  

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132. "but that's exactly what was wrong with the movie..."
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>Had he not decided he was huuman, John and Kyle would have
>died and Skynet would have won. The Resistance would have died
>with either of their death, but they just got greedy trying to
>take them both out at the same time.

Skynet worked out this devious plan, and everything worked perfectly. Then for some crazy reason, they decide to explain that plan to Marcus (basically saying "we used you!!!"), pissing him off, and then they give him a choice of fighting with them or fighting with the humans? As if after finding out he had been used all along he would say "eff it" and join up with the Terminators. And not only does he get a choice, they told him at the PERFECT time because John and Kyle are right there at Skynet, not getting killed for some crazy reason, when at any point they could have killed off Kyle and then John would have ceased to exist. On top of all of this, they send ONE Terminator after John when he is AT Skynet??? They had home court advantage! They could have sent 100 Terminators after him!

  

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122. "*points at scared child* YOU! MOVE!!!"
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LOL...it's funny when Christian Bale yells at people.

This movie was a decent popcorn flick. I loved the action but the plot gets worse every time you think about it.

Common had some of the worst line delivery ever IMO (It's beautiful)

And why did they open this up for a Part 5 when everything could be wrapped up in the same movie.

  

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146. "^^^This might've been the best part of the movie right here"
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>LOL...it's funny when Christian Bale yells at people.

It really is. I thought it was just me. But when he screamed that shit outta nowhere I instantly assumed he was having another Hurlbutt moment & McG forgot to cut it.

Yeah when you're having thoughts like that during the movie you know it wasn't that great. The trailers were much better than the actual movie. I didn't even try to make sense out of it. The action was good enough for the most part tho.

Can't recall who said it but I love the idea of Com havin no lines whatsoever & McG tellin him to say som'n black at random moments throughout. I mean it really doesn't seem that far fetched.

Hopefully the fact that it tanked means the DVD will come out sooner than later so I can see the nude Moon scene.

  

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125. "McG and Christian Bale on the REAL original ending (SWIPE):"
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I don't know how to feel about this. It definitely would have been ballsy though, lol.

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'Terminator Salvation': The shocking, bummer of an ending you didn't see!

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Terminatorsalvation_l SPOILER ALERT: Do not read any further if you don't want to know plot details of Terminator Salvation. Seriously! You've been warned!

Two weeks before Terminator Salvation hit theaters, the film's director, McG, sat in his L.A. production office for an interview with EW. He was talking about the swirl of rumors and gossip surrounding the film -- about how bloggers had posted all kinds of far-fetched speculation during production and how it drove him nuts.

And then, out of nowhere, McG smiles and says, "Here's something I've never talked about before...".

Now, before we go any further, there's some backstory about the movie's plot you'll need to know if you haven't already seen it. Terminator Salvation is set in the year 2018 -- after the apocalyptic Judgment Day, which was prophesied in the earlier films. There are three main characters in the story: John Connor (Christian Bale), the son of Sarah Connor who will lead the resistance against the evil Skynet; Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin), the young resistance fighter who will grow up and eventually travel back in time (as seen in the 1984 original when Reese was played by Michael Biehn) to impregnate Sarah Connor with the young savior, John Connor; and Marcus Wright, a mysterious dude who's half human, half machine programmed by Skynet (the fact that he's unaware of this makes for some of the most poignant scenes in the film).

Okay, now back to McG's big, juicy secret. A secret, by the way, that Bale will back up as you read on.

"There was talk on the Internet about an alternate ending where Connor dies and they take Connor's likeness and put it on top of Marcus Wright's machine body. So that it's actually a machine that's leading the resistance! And the Internet caught wind of that and people went, 'That's bulls---! We don't want that!'"

McG grins. "Well, that's not really what the ending was."

Actually, the bloggers were on the right track. Except, McG adds, the original ending actually went even further.

"Connor dies, okay? He's dead," McG continues. "And Marcus offers his physical body, so Connor's exterior is put on top of his machine body. It looks like Connor, but it's really Marcus underneath. And all of the characters we care about (Kyle Reese, Connor's wife Kate, etc.) are brought into the room to see him and they think it's Connor. And Connor gets up and then there's a small flicker of red in his eyes and he shoots Kate, he shoots Kyle, he shoots everybody in the room. Fade to black. End of movie. Skynet wins. F--- you!"

F--- you, indeed.

We tell the director that this would be the darkest, bleakest summer blockbuster ending of all time. He agrees.

"It's the most nihilistic thing of all time. And Christian went f---ing crazy, of course. He was insistent that it be done that way! He wanted the bad guys to win! Can you imagine the oxygen going out of the theater?! What just happened! It would piss you off! But maybe two years from now, you'd think it was ballsy. But in the end, it just felt like too much of a bummer."

He pauses, thinking about the alternate ending that wasn't. "Maybe we blew it."

McG says the studio had signed off on this original dark-as-night ending. But something about it didn't smell right to him in the end. How could a movie with a reported budget of $200 million and a possible future of sequels possibly end that way?

EW sits down with Bale the next day and tells the star how McG let the cat out of the bag. Bale laughs. "There's not much McG can keep in, is there?"

Was he really, as McG says, gung-ho to shoot that everyone-dies ending?

"I'm not the director," says Bale. "There came to be a different option that almost everyone, except myself, felt was the better way to go. I took a bit of convincing, but you know, at the end of the day, you need a director to make that call."

But doesn't he think that his Salvation would have been a depressing bummer, not to mention suicide at the box office?

"Done the way I saw it? No. But am I disappointed with this one? No."

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127. "The rumored one is good"
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With Marcus becoming Connor and leading the resistance. McG's end would have been almost as stupid as the actual ending.

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128. "I was just going to post that"
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A terminator posing as John Connor and leading the resistance is a great idea. A terminator-in-disguise killing everyone is dumb.

Although it's kind of funny. If the terminator killed Connor, posed as Connor and then killed Reese who hadn't even gone back in time yet to conceive John Connor with Sarah Connor...then suddenly all the robots wouldn't exist, because they wouldn't have had to go back in time, and...and...

I hope someone gets where I'm going with that one. It's clear in my head but writing it all out is seriously going to give me a migraine.

  

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129. "I get where you're going..."
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And I think I would have actually liked that ending. Something about the way you explained it makes me like it.

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130. "yeah, thinking on it now"
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It would be a cool way to end off the series.

Granite it would confuse EVERYBODY.

But yeah. The robots kill Reese. Instantly all the robots disappear, and the humans are saved. Or everything suddenly changes into a future where no one ever had to fight the robots. or something.

But since it's Hollywood, the main robot would be played by Gary Oldman or something, and he would throw out an 'oh shit' before all the robots disappeared.

  

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133. "Too bad McG didn't realize that."
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Exactly my problem with him. If they made it so that basically Connor, before he died, told Marcus that if he kills everyone, the cycle will end and the machines will never be, it MIGHT be cool. Marcus lost his life because he killed people but would now save the world by killing innocents. Might be some good internal struggle; he has grown but now has to revert to the murderer he was in the past.

But McG never was on this train of thought.

"End of movie. Skynet wins. F--- you!"

McG would have just had Marcus saving Reese and Connor (or trying to) throughout the film and then randomly deciding after Skynet is blown up to off the two guys he could have killed countless times before that.

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135. "This would be pretty cool imo"
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>If they made it so that
>basically Connor, before he died, told Marcus that if he kills
>everyone, the cycle will end and the machines will never be,
>it MIGHT be cool.

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139. "TIME OUT!!! "Granite it would confuse everyone"!?!?!?!?!?!"
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we have a new addition to the OKP Comedy of Errors Hall of Fame.

this guy wanted to say "Granted, it would confuse everyone".

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142. "lol, I'm trying to see how that is more than just a stupid typo..."
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Come on, man. You're going to bust me for that? When Basaglia and Orbit_Established can put up whole posts with just "WHY YOU MAD HAHAHAHAHAHAHA?!?!?!?"

If there's some unintended reference, where in T4 people get attacked by robots disguised as huge chunks of granite, let me know...

  

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131. "the robots dont get built because the hand found in the factory never ge..."
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the hand led to kevin dyson's research at cyberdine systems..no hand...no research...no research...no robots...

  

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147. "maybe it's one of those 'you can't change history' things"
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like in the original timeline, dyson invented skynet from scratch and it took over the world

later the human resistance and the machines sent forces back in time to pre-empt the enemy threat

the humans stopped the pre-emptive strike, but they could not pre-empt the machines - they thought they blew up dyson industries but in fact they left the computer chip from the terminator which then led to the same research anyway

although, i can barely remember the early films, and that probably doesn't add up

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136. "While I liked the movie, this ending would of been much better..."
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That would of been a great way to push ahead with more movies if Connor was human.

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137. "RE: Terminator: Salvation"
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I haven't seen it yet, nor do i know or heard of anyone who has. Kinda want to se it but since i haven't heard much about it on the streets i doubt i will

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143. "They never really explained who/why Marcus killed either"
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>I have tix to the midnight show, but it's a damn hurricane
>outside, and I'm gonna have to wait til the noontime show
>tomorrow.
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>Reviews online have been oddly split... some think it's
>mechanical and heartless (ironic?) and others think it's a fun
>action flick with great special effects. The NY Times notice
>leaves me pretty optimistic.
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>Anyone seen it? Thoughts? And let's try to keep spoilers out
>of the subject line, people.

  

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144. "Did they explain the whole time traveling fiasco???"
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I mean I never understood why was it so hard to send a few T-1000s to the exact date to exterminate Sarah Connor in 1986....

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145. "worst movie I've seen in a LONG, LONG time"
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The only redeemable quality, the special effects.

Acting, absolutely atrocious. Bale doing his batman voice the whole time. Dialogue was used to illustrated features of the story line that should have been illuminated through the camera. Common was downright pathetic. The Marcus love story was fucking hilariously bad. Just awful. So many laughable moments, you know it's bad when half the theater is laughing sarcastically at "serious" moments.

So many plot holes.

Stupid, simplistic and predictable ending.

Wolverine was bad, and shits all over this flick.

and really, McG. Somebody already said it, he's the new Michael Bay, but at least Bay can produce some cohesive, if not pointless, action popcorn flicks. Note - I also think Charlie's Angels movies are fucking retarded.

  

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149. "it was EXPLAINED, but left another plothole to ask at the sametime"
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>I mean I never understood why was it so hard to send a few
>T-1000s to the exact date to exterminate Sarah Connor in
>1986....


reese told sarah conner that immediately after he went thru the time portal that the resistence destroyed it purposely so there wouldn't be anymore terminators to follow.

that being said, reese could never of known if they actually did or not, because different terminators came afterwards since then...

had it been destroyed, then there wouldn't even be a T2......

  

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150. "had they stuck with the original ending, marcus would of have a SIGNIFIC..."
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>>I have tix to the midnight show, but it's a damn hurricane
>>outside, and I'm gonna have to wait til the noontime show
>>tomorrow.
>>
>>Reviews online have been oddly split... some think it's
>>mechanical and heartless (ironic?) and others think it's a
>fun
>>action flick with great special effects. The NY Times notice
>>leaves me pretty optimistic.
>>
>>Anyone seen it? Thoughts? And let's try to keep spoilers out
>>of the subject line, people.
>


but to respond to my thoughts, i felt it was both was was purposely done to be cold and heartless, yet with alot of action and great special effects.

i took it from whut McG probably INTENTED it to be, part I of a trilogy with everything unfolding along the way. i mean this takes place in 2019 which is TEN YEARS before the restistent army claims victory over the machines, so it's obvious alot more will be explained with the sequels such as when time travel gets discovered, when john conner actually becomes the overall commander (which obviously he gets promoted since his senior officer gets killed in the ambush on this movie (sorry for that lil' spoiler) and so forth....

  

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148. "thought it was excellent"
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the world they presented and the robots that terrorize it were unforgettable

makes me want to pick up Fallout 3 again

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151. "This is the second time Bale gets outshined by an australian dude."
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Worthington killed it.

Fuck the haters. This shit was badass.

I went in wanting to see a bunch of cyborgs destroying shit and Moon Bloodgood looking hot... and that's exactly what I got.

The fake Arnold was hilarious though.

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153. "i presume the 1st time being 'the prestige'"
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154. "Oh shit, I forgot about Jackman."
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I guess that's three (Prestige, Dark Knight, Durminator).

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156. "Bale>>>>>>>>>>>Jackman in The Prestige. I liked both but cmon."
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Wont argue the other two. Wondering how Sam got so popular all of a sudden tho. Saw him in Somersault & he was pretty good in it. I don't remember him in Hart's War at all.

  

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155. "it's aight"
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The thing that kept it all afloat for me was being immersed in the future terminator world. The effects and action scenes are pretty much on point and kinda brings back that feeling of fear I had watching the original movie.

HOWEVER, once you start thinking about the whole premise of the story beyond what the film wants you to understand then it becomes pretty silly. You'll end up wondering why Skynet doesn't just kill the important players in the first 20 minutes and be stuck there for the whole 2 hours wondering what's the point.

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