so...came out today (at least here in France). I'll prolly see it tomorrow. Though I thought the first one suuuuucked, and I'm way more psyched about Matrix, this one still looks one of this summer's interesting blockbusters.

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The special effects are good, and the badguys are better/Storm isn't corny, which pretty much covers the flaws of the first film. If they fucked up on the other shit however, ill have to wait for me to catch it to see.

>The special effects are good, and the badguys are
>better/Storm isn't corny, which pretty much covers the flaws
>of the first film. If they fucked up on the other shit
>however, ill have to wait for me to catch it to see.


she may NOT be in the next X-Men movie because Singer wants to introduce more mutants into future films, there basically wont be space for her in the next one. HOWEVER....there IS a Storm movie in development at Fox...*groan* I mean DAMN can Jean Grey get her own movie as Dark Phoenix?? dammit....

p.s. im kinda salty that Angel and Beast werent in this film..i know the CGI effects would have been crazy PLUS they already got two blue mutants..but that would have been effing HOT.

now if the other teleporting mutant thief Vanisher pops up in a future X-Man film, I will be satisfied beyond belief. he wont..but you never know.

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Well, they dropped the ball imho with the females all around. A Storm/Phoenix movie would be an exellent story to tell, considering how much shit they've been through. However, the actresses currently playing the roles I don't believe have the acting chops to pull it off.

And I do think in the future Singer should slowly add and subtract mutants. The universe is rich enough so that you can change the cast and still keep the feelings of the film. Like as much as I love Wolvie(the only saving grace on the first one) It be nice if Gambit, or Bishop got some shine.


>she may NOT be in the next X-Men movie because Singer wants
>to introduce more mutants into future films, there basically
>wont be space for her in the next one. HOWEVER....there IS a
>Storm movie in development at Fox...*groan* I mean DAMN can
>Jean Grey get her own movie as Dark Phoenix?? dammit....
>
>p.s. im kinda salty that Angel and Beast werent in this
>film..i know the CGI effects would have been crazy PLUS they
>already got two blue mutants..but that would have been
>effing HOT.
>
>now if the other teleporting mutant thief Vanisher pops up
>in a future X-Man film, I will be satisfied beyond belief.
>he wont..but you never know.
>
>Ryan

>Well, they dropped the ball imho with the females all
>around. A Storm/Phoenix movie would be an exellent story to
>tell, considering how much shit they've been through.
>However, the actresses currently playing the roles I don't
>believe have the acting chops to pull it off.
oh yes i do agree here. BUT...i like Famke Janssen as Jean Grey. It would have been lovely to have Julianne Moore as the red haired telekinetic...but I like Famke. out of all of the actors, she CLEARLY understands her character (i.e. feels like she's in the way most times...feels so "commonplace" among the other mutants whose powers are more flashier than hers, etc.). Halle--i can do without. It doesnt matter what she does as Storm, she fucked it way too much for her to all of a sudden DO the character justice. just like she's been tapped to play Catwoman--you dont see it and you know she wont come with it, but because she can fill out a catsuit (or look good as a weather witch in the X-Men franchise), she'll put butts in seats and that's all hollywood wants really.



>And I do think in the future Singer should slowly add and
>subtract mutants. The universe is rich enough so that you
>can change the cast and still keep the feelings of the film.
> Like as much as I love Wolvie(the only saving grace on the
>first one) It be nice if Gambit, or Bishop got some shine.
>
>
Bishop would be great..but WHO would play him? everyone's saying Michael Clarke Duncan, but im not seein ghim. I am actually seeing Gary Dourdan from CSI--not all that big but Bishop has gone through so many changes (i.e. how he's drawn over the years), pretty much anyone could do it. plus, Michael Clarke Duncan didnt wow me as Fisk in Daredevil (actually NO ONE stood out to me in teh film, save for Garner and Farrell and they honestly had LESS to do than Mr. Lopez, but I digress). oh well...

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cosign to the nth power on your comment about halle/storm. she effed that character up for me -- the absolute low point of the first joint. writing her out of future x-movies? that ain't right.

if they do go w/ a storm solo flick, they should recast. halle can NOT carry a movie by her self.

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he woulda killed as bishop. Im betting Gambit and Beast are higher on the list of priorities though. Jean could sit the next film out, pop up at the end as the pheonix and set up a new one nicely. Iceman needs to get his full fledged powers (body encrusted with ice, making those ramps etc.) i dug his character.

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I just saw it tonight with my bro...

and afterwards we were discussing cameos... and he mentioned that beast was on the TV in the bar scene... he remembers seeing "McCoy" and that being beasts name... sneaky.

Go Wings.

I can understand Pyro, because he had a bigger part in the second one, but Shadowcat? In the first one she looked like she was in her late teens, in this she was a little girl, and she had like a two-second part.

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the girl in the first one was in her mid to late teens and didnt look Asian (a mix of Latina and Asian to be exact) but the one they used for this one is asian.

i havent seen it yet but that's wha ti was told.
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so im sure they will get to Beast eventually.

it wasn't too campy and the special effects were cool. It doesn't really stand up to repeated viewings, though.

I'm EXTREMELY hyped.

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about 20 minutes into the movie, I turned to my bro and told him "dude, this is already a better flick than the first one". My beef with the first was that it was very underwhelming, and quite heavy-handed in the way it presented the characters. Here, we already know the characters, so the action can start straightaway.
Without spoiling it for anyone, a lot of very-well shot action sequences. An acceptable corniness level (eps. for a summer flick). Brian Cox, as William Stryker, is great, as is Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler.
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It's funny that people say that it was better than the original. I really didn't have any major problems with the first movie. I liked how it established who the X-Men were, as well as exploring the philosophical differences between Professor X and Magneto...and if you're a student of Black History, you'd identify who each man was a philosophical mirror of...

Now, onto the second movie. Very, very well done. I had no problems with the script. Very clean, very simple. Singer and company did a nice job reestablishing everyone in the first half hour or so...

I'm sure there will be folks who expect this to be the Halle Berry/Storm Show, since "she's the star." Those people should keep their asses at home. She did a fine job, as did Hugh Jackman, Famke Jannesen, Anna Paquin, Alan Cumming, (and as always) Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen. The actors playing the young boys were also good as well. And Bryan Cox made for a great villain, with the perfect motivation for what he does.

Oh, and one last thing...those who were wishing for...a certain thing to happen may just get their wish, since there will almost certainly be an X3...

I won't say that this is "better than the original" for the reasons I've already stated. But I will say that this one "expounds and expands" the universe of the original, and that's what a sequel to this type of film should do, IMO...
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i also agree that the first movie was just fine and did exactly what it was supposed to do. It had to establish the characters for the viewers who were not previously familiar with the X-Men comics. so of course "true fans" would think the first movie sucked cuz it really wasn't for them, per se

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You spoke of some special thing in X-men 3?

>It's funny that people say that it was better than the
>original. I really didn't have any major problems with the
>first movie. I liked how it established who the X-Men were,
>as well as exploring the philosophical differences between
>Professor X and Magneto...and if you're a student of Black
>History, you'd identify who each man was a philosophical
>mirror of...
>
>Now, onto the second movie. Very, very well done. I had no
>problems with the script. Very clean, very simple. Singer
>and company did a nice job reestablishing everyone in the
>first half hour or so...
>
>I'm sure there will be folks who expect this to be the Halle
>Berry/Storm Show, since "she's the star." Those people
>should keep their asses at home. She did a fine job, as did
>Hugh Jackman, Famke Jannesen, Anna Paquin, Alan Cumming,
>(and as always) Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen. The
>actors playing the young boys were also good as well. And
>Bryan Cox made for a great villain, with the perfect
>motivation for what he does.
>
>Oh, and one last thing...those who were wishing for...a
>certain thing to happen may just get their wish, since there
>will almost certainly be an X3...
>
>I won't say that this is "better than the original" for the
>reasons I've already stated. But I will say that this one
>"expounds and expands" the universe of the original, and
>that's what a sequel to this type of film should do, IMO...
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..sure it had its short comings in terms of casting(see Storm AND Magneto), but it had to progress the way it did in temrs of story line the NON comic book buffs could figure out who the hell these people were. We get caught up cause we believe these movies are for us and us alone..but they are created to make money..and to make money..a mass audience has to be captivated.

More to say, but will save 'till i see X2.

P.S- I have no rpob with Halle as an actress, hink she's one of the best young females out there..Storm is just an absolutely wrong fit for her.

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the way he smiled when he was killing those gaurds was great. Its not like magneto needs to be physically intimidating.

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>the way he smiled when he was killing those gaurds was
>great. Its not like magneto needs to be physically
>intimidating.

Yeah Magneto & Mystique are tha shit. W/ Pyro teamin up w/ them in the next one...look out.

Ill get into what they did right first...
Absolute genius in casting all around, exception being Halle Berry. If anything, I thought that was going to sink the movie, cause you figure thats the hardest to please for the comic heads. Your forced to match the childhood heroes in their head, with real people on the screen. Wolverine, Prof X etc, genius. And with the Halle Berry issue, while she's near to the LAST black actress id have picked to play the role, I don't completely blame her, I blame...


1)The Script. Just badly paced and the storyline overall was quite anticlimatic(leading to a wack fight in Statue of Liberty). Come on now, its a fucking comic book, having good fights should have been an easy one. Pacing overall wasn't good, and it made it hard to care about anyone but Wolverine. And some of the lines were absolutely groan worthy(aka Storm's lines).

2)Badguys. Magneto was the only good badguy here, rest were wack. Mystique could have been cool, but they wasted her character(and oddly enough totally changed the character from someone who hardly ever throws a punch into kung fu joe). The Toad. *laughs* Sabertooth should have been cool, comic story wise he's got nearly as much depth as Magneto, however they sold him out for cheezy comic relief(totally missing the fact that in the comics, he just represents how Wolverine would be if he fell to his urges).

3)Special effects, but supposedly they had a tight budget, and if anything the matrix bite offs have taught me, its only a small part of the puzzle.

the first scene with nightcrawler was one of the dopest things I've ever seen on a movie screen.

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>the first scene with nightcrawler was one of the dopest
>things I've ever seen on a movie screen.

Yeah that was sick. It would've been nice 2 see something on that level 2wards the end of the flick as well. Still a dope flick tho.

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One of her parents were Asian though. She had way more of an Asian Appearance. Ororo, thats an Asian name.





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I guess we weren't suppose to notice the absence of her bad accent. But how can we not notice it?

I think halle did better this time but she is still the wrong person to play Storm. I get the feeling every time when she trying to be tough\serious that she about to cry.

I think she could've killed that role.

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..with the makin' of the movie, they had the impossible challenge of introducin' the general public to the storyline in its infancy, while tryin' not to alienate its current comic book fanbase

besides, bassett is too old for the role (remember, this is s'posed to be the "early years")

if you ask me, halle is ok, but thandie newton would've been my ideal choice for the role...

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storm needs to have a regal, commanding presence and a deep (for a female) resonating voice. halle is missing that. so would thandie.

on top of that, the script folk are treating her character like she's just another mutant, rather than one of the team leaders...that doesn't help either.

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For some reason I think she would have been perfect as Storm. Maybe it's because she could look the most like the Storm portrayed in the X-Men cartoon.

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>storm needs to have a regal, commanding presence and a deep
>(for a female) resonating voice. halle is missing that. so
>would thandie.
>
>on top of that, the script folk are treating her character
>like she's just another mutant, rather than one of the team
>leaders...that doesn't help either.

You are looking for the Post-Morlock wars Storm, when they remade her persona and she became the leader of the X-Men. The one in the movie hasn't gone through that transformation yet. She's still guarded about using her powers, like the late 70's/early 80's Storm.

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I think in part 3 they should touch on her powers being connected to her emotions, like they used to be in the comics. That could be an explanation for her lack of characterization so far. She's keeping herself under tight control.

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tomiko fraser or a younger version of iman would have been perfect for the role, rather than a mulatto or even angela.

storm had a statuesque model-like figure with a midnight black complexion.

I like the first X-Men a lot.

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I really enjoyed this movie. Growing up an X-Men fan, this movie perfectly reflected what I thought an X-Men movie would look like when I was a kid. Well maybe not perfectly but this is pretty much how I've always imagined the movie to be. What I loved most about the X-Men during the 80s, was that they were shown interacting with normal people (i.e. Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus going to a bar). This movie did a little bit of that. I'm they decided to make this movie instead of a Wolverine movie. This movie touched on hios past as well as developing and introducing other characters. The last 30 minutes or so were a little cheesy but it didn't bother me too much. Anyway, I recommend this movie to everyone that's in teh mood for a popcorn flick.

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Because I was a huge X-Men fan as a child.For someone like me,it just feels soooo right.There weren't any glaring flaws,and the great stuff overshadows the bad(Yuriko wasn't supposed to be just hired muscle).

And I like the ending,especially because it points to what we all want,The Dark Phoenix Saga.

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pros

1. They dont sugarcoat Wolverine in the slightest. Badass.
2. Nightcrawler, Opening scene...dayum
3. Colossus cameo...dayum
4. Minor characters given some shine (iceman, rogue, pyro)
5. Mag's escape
6. Mystique was waaaayyyy better in this movie than the last one
7. Deathstrike, i could look at Kelly Hu all day mmmmmmmm...
8. Halle was surprisingly better and they killed that horrible "accent" she had in the first one

Cons

Cant even think of any but my roommate said it best "the worst part of that movie was that it ended". Not citizen Kane but a damn good entertaining flick.

Everyone touched on it, but yeah GREAT MOVIE, didn't disappoint

and i must say, it was MUCH better than the first.
like someone mentioned before, the first X-Men was anticlimatic. there was little suspense and for the most part, boring. however, my dorky comic-fiend of a friend convinced me to see X2 and i was pleasantly surprised.
allan cumming as nightcrawler was almost perfect, and i like how mystique was more involved. unlike the first, there was a decent plot with a little twist at the end (although one can see it coming without knowing about the comics)...overall, thumbs up.

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the stuff at the base was shot like an hour away from my hometown. But it was a good popcorn flick, didnt get all self important like the first one. Pyro, Magneto, and Stryker stole all their scenes. The plot wasnt much but what can you expect when theres 12 main characters. Its a film that you basically stop thinking about after you leave the theatre, but i dont ask for more from comic book movies.

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or a bad projector because at the end there seemed to be a faint red hazy birdlike shape superimposed on the water. I may have been looking too hard.

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it was just so damn faint

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>or a bad projector because at the end there seemed to be a
>faint red hazy birdlike shape superimposed on the water.

A sign of things to come....Phoenix

this movie was so damn good. it took up one of my favorite story lines, hinted at another (can't wait for X3), and had some of the best character development. i was disappointed with the first one, but this one justified and redeemed it so much. i just can't wait to see what's going to happen next.



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enjoyed the flick.
highlights: colossus
fight scenes (nightcrawler's, wolvie vs lady deathstrike, magnetos escape)
magneto and mystique punking rogue ("i like what you've done w/your hair" - hilarious, damn, they're so immiture)
mystiques taunting as she gets into the control room

wish they: had nightcrawler and wolvie drinking beer together
more colossus
more x-kids/gen Xer's do stuff

overall, good flick

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the best was the foreshadowing of x-3...

halle was better. i've given up on her really capturing storm, and have settled for credible. (storm is regal, a goddess, halle be sashaying and all young acting).

MUCH props to bryan singer for how he pulled off the scenes w/ nightcrawler. i got more of an appreciation for kurt's power watching that one amazing sequence in the movie than from years of reading the comic book. (only nitpick -- kurt was a mutant living on his own, how would he ever honed his battle skills to be that sharp w/o prof. x and co.? also, his teleporting w/ other people was something that used to leave him drained, but he was really ho hum about it.). good point, his spirituality was touched on very nicely.

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

>his teleporting w/ other people was something that used to
>leave him drained,


it would almost KILL the person he teleported.

hollywood...

<----- The reason your team's players jump into the stands after a TD

magneto: you're a god among insects. never forget that.

dope and racist! just like me!

how fitting!

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Wolverine (on Mystique): "She's good."

Magneto: "You have no idea."

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