Seriously-

I just wanna know what be going through y'alls heads, cuz we
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I'm about to get on some 95 shit and ice grill anything south
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Okay, no I won't, but I'm saying. Let's fix this.


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Vanity Fair's "New Hollywood" issue completely lacks diversity

One thing magazines love to do is call dibs on who will be the new "It" celebrities in the year to come. Sometimes they pick stars whose careers are destined to take off, occasionally they make incredible calls with near-nobodies who later become A-listers, and usually the majority of their picks fade into oblivion. While we'd like to think celeb bible Vanity Fair puts a great deal of thought and planning into its annual "New Hollywood" issue, this year the editors really limited their scope when it came to choosing the next big stars. (Or perhaps they overemphasized the "Fair"? ) Every woman on its new cover is extremely thin and very, very white. Unless Vanity Fair considers one redhead to be diversity, we feel the need to cry foul.


The cover of the March issue features Abbie Cornish, Kristen Stewart, Carey Mulligan, Amanda Seyfried, Rebecca Hall, Mia Wasikowska, Emma Stone, Evan Rachel Wood, and Anna Kendrick. Many, if not all of these women have good reason to grace the Vanity Fair cover, and to be a part of what they have dubbed "the fresh faces of 2010." Evan Rachel Wood has garnered critical acclaim since her Golden Globe-nominated performance in 2003's "Thirteen" as well as loads of media attention from her highly publicized romance with rocker Marilyn Manson. Kristen Stewart was catapulted to fame by the mega-successful "Twilight" franchise and will star as Joan Jett in the upcoming film, "The Runaways," while Amanda Seyfried's career was put in motion after her role in 2008's "Mamma Mia!" But WAIT: Vanity Fair already had both Stewart and Seyfried on an August 2008 cover touting "Hollywood's New Wave." And this was also a white-girl-only cover. Were there no promising young actors of color who could have been featured in either issue?


Though it's true, Young Hollywood is predominantly Caucasian, we can think of a slew of non-white, non-rail thin actors who made a splash this year (Gabourey Sidibe from "Precious" anyone?). In the accompanying article, Vanity Fair writer Evgenia Peretz calls out the young cover stars by their best attributes: "downy-soft cheeks," "button nose," "patrician looks and celebrated pedigree," "dewy, wide-eyed loveliness," "Ivory-soap-girl features." Roles for black, Asian, and Latin actors are scarce in Hollywood, but surely Sidibe, Zoe Saldana of "Avatar" and "Star Trek," and Freida Pinto of "Slumdog Millionaire" are having their moment. Vanity Fair may have been looking for the most promising batch of talent for their issue, but they should have been looking for a diverse group of women as well.

We reached out to Vanity Fair for comment, but as of publishing time they did not respond.

I'm sure Vanity Fair didn't think anyone would mind, since only white people read Vanity Fair.

Still, I would've at LEAST put Saldana on there.

The real question is, where are all of the vehicles for young talented black women? If ALL of these girls can be getting this kind of press for their roles in films in the past year or two, where are the black women of equal age?

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what exactly does she have to do?

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She has to either be white or a perfume sample.

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are any of these broads older? thats the only reason i could think of.

but prolly vanity fair is indifferent to black people.

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for serious:
their whole staff prolly looks just like that cover, but with a few more middle aged, middle class white men. why would they put a bunch of darkies on their cover?

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Really, what this controversy proves is that the token is still a powerful entity in supposedly post-racial America. For YEARS, Vanity Fair has been throwing out groups of white people with one or two minorities in the mix. For a couple years, Penelope Cruz was the last melanin standing. Here's a bunch of Leibovitz's Hollywood covers.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/02/hollywoodcovers_slideshow200702#slide=2

But mostly what this is is people getting upset over a symptom and not the disease. TV is getting whiter and whiter (and helmed by more and more men, even though women are running more studios). The film world hasn't gotten much more diverse over the years. George Lopez once stated that he hated when cops would go to a door during the movie because he knew that would be the only time he'd see someone that looked like him: either the suspect or the help. It's still the same.

If Vanity Fair had thrown Gabourey Sibide on the cover, would suddenly everything be alright? If in 2008, they had put Zoe Kravitz on the cover, would people have slept better? (I mention those two because both of them were featured in the actual magazines).

Should Vanity Fair have played the game and thrown Zoe Saldana on there? Yes. But this Vanity Fair issue is a true picture of a fucked up system and what we're seeing now is people not liking a reflection and blaming it on the mirror.

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You know there are GORGEOUS talented marketable young black women out there too.

They just aren't creating enough roles in film for more than one or two young black actresses to take right now. Same goes for TV... the roles just aren't there.

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>YEARS, Vanity Fair has been throwing out groups of white
>people with one or two minorities in the mix. For a couple
>years, Penelope Cruz was the last melanin standing. Here's a

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looks like a photo shoot at one of those branch davidian type cults. yeah, omitting zoe saldana and gabby sidibe is unforgivable. them two alone got a billion dollars of box office and a best actress oscar nom more than all them white girls combined.

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>and a best actress oscar nom more than all them white
>girls combined.

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an education - $9 million
precious - $46 million
avatar and star trek - $855 million

CAREY LOST!!!

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Avatar is the biggest movie of all time, and Precious is this years little indie engine that could. That's inexcusable.

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one of the commenters on that yahoo article, "melissa b," explains to us all why there's nothing to see here:

"There are many amazing diverse actresses in Hollywood, but they are not the next up and coming actresses in Hollywood. Precious has won countless awards, but has Gabourey Sidibe been cast in any other new movies? Has Frieda Pinto starred in another huge blockbuster or even a main starring role? Avatar may have broken tons of records, but has Zoe Saldana really shown that she is up and coming and worth her while? These are the reasons why it happened to be that the women chosen were Caucasian, not because they didn't want to be diverse."

gabourey sidibe just snagged a best actress nod in a film nominated for six academy awards including best picture. freida pinto was the critically-acclaimed lead in last year's best picture winner and just wrapped a shoot with anthony hopkins, directed by woody allen. zoe saldana was getting oscar buzz (from ebert among others) for her lead role in avatar and was also in star trek which combined have, what, $2 billion in worldwide box office? oh, and here's a very good article titled: "is avatar star zoe saldana the next kate winslet?"

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1629100/story.jhtml

BUT WHAT HAVE THEY REALLY DONE?

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

>may have broken tons of records, but has Zoe Saldana really
>shown that she is up and coming and worth her while? These are
>the reasons why it happened to be that the women chosen were
>Caucasian, not because they didn't want to be diverse."

This is the part that really stands out. Lol. "Has Z�e really shown that she is up and coming and worth her while?" Wake up, McFly!

I'm not sure what their criteria is based on. Z�e was already featured in Vanity Fair though.
http://torreyb.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/cusl14_hollywood_covers0803.jpg

She is in her thirties now (Sooooo old) afterall. I don't remember if she was part of the up and coming list. With two more sequels planned for Avatar, she deserves a cover all on her own. I'm sure she will be unstoppable in Hollywood as we get closer to this. The Star Trek fan base alone will most likely propel her in Hollywood for some time to come if any future sequels do as well as the first. If she keeps playing her cards right, her star power will eventually trump everyone on this list. With only a few more sequels in the pipeline, the Twilight series is sort of winding down, and may not be much of a blip on the radar by the time the Avatar sequels are released. At this point in time, Kristin Stewart is the only one on the cover that really compares to Z�e when we speak of up and coming. Stewart is of a younger generation though. I don't feel Kristin has as much acting range as most of the actresses on the cover. I'm sure she's got time though. I'm not hating on any of the ladies on the cover by the way. I actually liked most of them in various films.




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but surely they could've found some 25ish or less, cute black chicks to rock with.

idk the exact breakdown, but Zoe aint really up and coming.

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aren't any actresses of color there. I mean, if they didn't want to go with Gabby and/or Zoe (though I don't see why they wouldn't), they surely could have went with someone like Keke Palmer, or hell, Paula Patton... America Ferrera... Naturi Naughton... there's really no justification for this at all...

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you can't just name ANY young black actress.

matter of fact, she way below snow's level, even.

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I think it's 50ish white women from middle america. That in mind, is this shocking?

you can forget that shit. she won't be the lead in a film ever again, prolly.

this cover for normally for young bitches and zoe ain't hardly in her 20s no more. i think cornish is the oldest at 26. PLUS, zoe and america ferrera were on the '08 young hollywood issue...they were inside flap like a muhfucka, but you could call that "the cover."

now, as for SOLUTIONS...they COULDA put...well, i dunno, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE FUCKIN POINT...outside of tyler perry, who is CONSISTENTLY giving young black actresses some damn work? if more black filmmakers were as ambitious and hard-working and prolific as tyler dogg, we wouldn't be having this conversation. meagan goode would be on the cover. jurnee smollett. keisha knight pulliam. all that. these white bitches on the radar because they got EXPOSURE and the only person giving black folks regular exposure in flicks these days is who?

yeah, so this is all about tyler perry. niggas need to stop being bitches and support him or shit like THIS will keep happening.

i can't believe we got the same hankyhead ass niggas who hate on tyler in here whining about no young black actress on the cover of them white folks' mag and not seeing the CONNECTION between the nigga they shun and the white approval they seek for their fave black actors and actresses.

http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/gabourey_sidibe2010-ebony-cvr-med-lrg1-231x300.jpg

http://s11.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/a/5/a58qu38ucyuq83c8.jpg

^^^^why ain't those good enough?

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i'd call it patronizing to talk like that's happening. I pray ol girl got a good financial planner. she need to look for that good TV work and hope they reboot What's Happpening.

>she need to look for
>that good TV work and hope they reboot What's Happpening.

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DAMN.YEW.OKAY?!?!?! LOLOL

but, gaby is talented, and she IS doing tv: she's starring opposite laura linney in her Showtime show called The C-Word (i think its going to series) and she's got some roles in some upcoming indies...

so who knows...but her being the lead in a movie? i don't think so...i mean, if established black actresses like Angela Bassett, Thandie Newton, Kimberly Elise, Halle Berry and the like don't be popping up in lead roles in films every year, then Gaby is DEFINITELY NOT....

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you have black already skinny women
who just aren't getting the roles

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nah but she'd get some commercials or soemthing from it

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i couldnt even argue about someone that could be added up there. not a single one. im sure there is some hispanic or asian that im not thinking about, i cant think of a single up and comer black actress, under 25, that hasnt been around for years, and is getting parts. that to me is the bigger story.

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OR EVEN 2008!!!

re-read my initial post to this thread, because i ain't just tryna throw out names of young black actresses for no GOTdamn reason. you tryna name bitches who clearly don't deserve to be there. i actually tried to start a real debate about the CAUSE of this shit, but y'all niggas don't wanna deal with that.

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But cool, fuck it, keep coppin' them fuckin' "she old!" and "she ain't DONE SHIT!" pleas, then claimin' "wins" about the shit

Plus NOT NARY ONE of them broads done ANYTHING remotely close to the numbers Zoe did in 2009 (not even Kristen Stewart), if we're saying that's what "doing shit" means

I see that the goalposts keep changing ("She Old!" "She ain't done shit of note!"), so fuck it, I'm done yo

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both were in the 2008 issue...WITH ZOE.

both will NEVER AGAIN be featured in the NEW hollywood issue. know why? because it lessens (dunno if that's quite the word i'm lookin for, but fuck it) their brand, just like zoe, being 31 and featured in that particular issue AGAIN, would lessen her brand. it's like fuckin phillip rivers or ovie or f-rod being featured in ESPN's "NEXT" issue. it don't even make fuckin sense. no more being referred to as "up and coming" or "new" or "next wave"...whatever the fuck. that part of zoe's career is OVER, NIGGA!!! GOTDAMN!!! and you'd be a fuckin SHITTY rep for her to be lobbying for that kinda coverage, given the year she's had. like i said, zoe will be in the regular VF HOLLYWOOD ISSUE WITH STREEP, CLOONEY, WINSLET, PENN AND ALL THE BIG TIME A-LIST MUHFUCKAS, with a nice lil' full-page photo and her title will be some shit like "The Hope for Hankyhead Blacks"...you know how they do.

i understand WANTING a black face in that issue, BUT NONE QUALIFY. nigga, not a one. some fuckin jurnee smollett. nigga, if i was hillary duff's rep and jurnee fuckin smollett made it, i'd get VF's editor on the phone and my first word would be "NOOOOPE!"

and i SEEK racism. actively. we all know this. so i'm not dismissing the issue. but, let's DEAL with the WHY *NOW*.

and the sad thing is you KNOW you wrong, but because it's ME, you gotta have your fucked up pride gettin in the way and shit. this shit is stupid.

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>if i was hillary duff's rep and jurnee fuckin smollett made
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abby cornish? mia wakakasaka? who are these people? what movies no one has seen have they been in this year? not being in anything of note doesn't appear to be a barrier for admission.

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>Seriously-
>
>I just wanna know what be going through y'alls heads, cuz we
>need to dialogue and HEAL on some real shit.
>


You want to heal on some real shit? stop thinking that what a few people on a magazine editorial board thinks or does, represents the mindset of all white people.

this mass grouping is the kind of mentality is the real problem and which will keep all of us running in circles....now that right there is the REAL race issue!


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I agree with your point 100%, I just don't agree with the framing of your argument.

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>You want to heal on some real shit? stop thinking that what a
>few people on a magazine editorial board thinks or does,
>represents the mindset of all white people.
>
>this mass grouping is the kind of mentality is the real
>problem and which will keep all of us running in
>circles....now that right there is the REAL race issue!


You're only encouraging them.

so I'm not surprised this is being made out to be a big deal... how do they not notice how blatant that is? Here you have a girl in her early 20's nominated for an academy award as a lead actress and they don't even consider her? They def have some explaining to do

It's more to do with their body image issues than any other prejudice.

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in advance in usual cases, so they had an idea. some of these chicks are one step from nobodies. I mean VF isn't that great at picking up and comers. They picked Wes Bentley and two people from American Pie for cryin out loud.

popped into my head immediately when I saw the picture in the NY post on Monday, before all these complaints, I thought to myself, people gonna be mad about this and I can understand why

Like, THAT'S the person you think Vanity Fair should have included?

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I thought we were going for *righteous* indignation here...

It would be discriminating if they gave preference to others based on something she had no control over.

It's not a government job, it's a private magazine. They can put whoever they want on the cover. They have every right to only want hot women on the cover of their magazine if they think it'll help their sales. Morbid obesity just ain't hot.

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But nobody saw A Good Year or Candy

Couldn't stand Mia In Treatment but I need to watch Defiance soon to see if she's improved since then

Emily Blunt is better than all of em tho

And those are two of the most enjoyable flicks in the last half decade. She gets a pass.

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I mean she's not as bad as Julia Stiles, Mena Suvari, & Kirsten Dunce. But it's funny she audtioned for 1 of the hot chics in The House Bunny & got cast as one of the nerds instead.

I liked Zombieland but it would've been better either without the girls altogether or some actresses that could've played those parts better.

Thought Live Free or Die Hard might help her but she doesn't seem to be getting much of a push.

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>Thought Live Free or Die Hard might help her but she doesn't
>seem to be getting much of a push.

Yeah and I thought Matchstick Men would help Lohman but that hasn't really helped her much either.

She also doesn't really have a role to fill IMO. If you're going action, you'll cast Radha Mitchell over her. She's 31 and getting too old for the kiddie roles and looks too young for most dramatic roles (most of which probably go to Amy Adams).

I think she's one of those actresses that could slip through the cracks. She should probably go to TV to find a good role (ala Rose Byrne who kind of has similar issues).

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>She also doesn't really have a role to fill IMO. If you're
>going action, you'll cast Radha Mitchell over her.

I still don't get her appeal either. I've only seen her in Phone Booth, Man on Fire & the Melinda's & haven't been impressed yet. Didn't Drag me to hell have a lot of action in it?

She's 31
>and getting too old for the kiddie roles and looks too young
>for most dramatic roles (most of which probably go to Amy
>Adams).

Yeah I don't know if she really fits a niche at the moment

>I think she's one of those actresses that could slip through
>the cracks. She should probably go to TV to find a good role
>(ala Rose Byrne who kind of has similar issues).

Good call there. I like Rose a lot too. I'll have to check out Damages at some point.

Yeah, Radha Mitchell is one of those women that I know of but I can never remember what movies she's been in (except for Silent Hill. I have no idea why I've watched that movie twice). Although the person I'm really stunned about is Malin Ackerman; I really don't get why she's getting such a push (although I have heard that she's really nice so maybe people are rooting for her or something).

Drag Me to Hell was a horror film and Lohman was good in it but it's not like horror films take a ton of chops to pull off. She needs to get herself into a comedy. It seems like she'd be a good straight woman to play off someone crazier.

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>Yeah, Radha Mitchell is one of those women that I know of but
>I can never remember what movies she's been in (except for
>Silent Hill. I have no idea why I've watched that movie
>twice). Although the person I'm really stunned about is Malin
>Ackerman; I really don't get why she's getting such a push
>(although I have heard that she's really nice so maybe people
>are rooting for her or something).

She's got no problem showing a lot of skin too for whatever that's worth.

It's probably my favorite magazine. No one covers Finance and Hollywood better from a human perspective IMHOP. last month's issues story about the making of Ishtar was great insight to how such a bomb could happen.

However, this is some BS. I saw the cover and had an immediate gut reaction. I wonder what percentage of people look at this and aren't struck by the lack of diversity?

That's why tokenism counts. Tokenism is a way of saying, there is a type of world that we would like too see and here is our contribution to that world. And like its been point out, they didn't have to search that hard because Zoe Salady has had the last couple of years any actress, of any color, would envy. (Side Note: I ain't mad at them for leaving the Precious chick off the cover).

If they didn't opt for Tokenism then their could have been a story or an editor's note about the lack of diversity in young hollywood. Give us something acknowledging the problem because its very real thing and VF could have used it as an opportunity to point out the problem. Otherwise, they are part of the problem.


BTW, compare this to when VF sponsored a shoot of every major Black Supermodel http://chicsrockcharms.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/anne-leibovitz-black-models-2001.jpg.

It's an amazing picture, too bad it couldn't earn the cover and they buried it in the magazine.


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If they did a Black Hollywood spread like all these other spreads http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2007/02/hollywoodcovers_slideshow200702#slide=14.

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it would be WORSE if they pandered to niggas by using the SAME BLACK CHICK for the same fuckin themed issue. that shit is insulting to her and us. AND SHE 31!!!

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Why she gotta be on the foldout page?

See what I'm sayin'? Chick had a monster year, she deserves to be on the COVER, not the fuckin' foldout

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and it box office breaking
she should have been front and center


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You cannot hate people for their own good.

See? NO EXCUSE!

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