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"Fincher . . . Sorkin . . . Facebook . . . The Social Network"
Fri Oct-01-10 04:41 AM by ZooTown74

          

I couldn't care less about its subject matter, but David Fincher has earned himself a lifetime pass after Zodiac. He could make a movie about the barking-ass dog in the apartment below me and I would be there first weekend. However, I did read Sorkin's script some time ago. While my patience is usually tested when reading most scripts and I often don't get past page 50 or so, I knocked this one out no problem. I didn't know if there was quite a "movie" there, maybe more like a story to tell at a dinner party. We'll see.


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Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: Fincher . . . Sorkin . . . Facebook . . . The Social Network (TRAILE...
Jul 15th 2010
1
Looks a lot better than I thought. Hopefully Timberfake don't ruin it.
Jul 15th 2010
2
Best trailer I've seen in a while.
Jul 15th 2010
3
re: Amped.
Jul 15th 2010
4
      It's what "August" was trying to be.
Jul 15th 2010
8
I've read both the script and the book, the script's much better
Jul 15th 2010
5
Actually, word on the street is the running time could be lengthy.
Jul 15th 2010
6
Brenda bout it bout it
Jul 15th 2010
10
great trailer! there is clearly a story to be told
Jul 15th 2010
7
Fincher got the best looking movies right now.
Jul 15th 2010
9
i read somewhere that trent reznor did the score
Jul 16th 2010
11
ehhh not totally sold on this
Jul 16th 2010
12
j timberlake in that bitch I'm goin
Jul 16th 2010
13
question: Will this film do numbers?
Jul 16th 2010
14
Depends when it drops
Jul 16th 2010
15
      They should move the release date. It's Oct. 1st which is good but...
Jul 16th 2010
16
that girl has an amazing ass
Jul 17th 2010
17
A sensational trailer. I've watched it five or six times now.
Jul 17th 2010
18
RE: Fincher . . . Sorkin . . . Facebook . . . The Social Network (TRAILE...
Jul 17th 2010
19
I saw Inception at a rowdy theater. After the first 20 secs of this trai...
Jul 18th 2010
20
or they realized it was about facebook
Jul 18th 2010
22
Which prompted them all to break out their phones
Jul 18th 2010
25
      yup.
Jul 19th 2010
27
same exact experience
Jul 18th 2010
23
This Could Be Fincher's "The Insider"
Jul 18th 2010
21
the beginning of the trailer is far more intriguing then the rest
Jul 18th 2010
24
i really cant see this being interesting
Jul 18th 2010
26
"but timberlakes in it..."
Sep 18th 2010
32
      Apparently he had to work hard to convince Finch to cast him.
Sep 20th 2010
33
      timberlake is that nigga
Sep 20th 2010
35
           far from it fam
Sep 21st 2010
39
This trailer convinced me that I'm seeing it opening weekend
Jul 19th 2010
28
Saw this last nite & it's not too shabby. Jesse Eisenberg is a star.
Sep 09th 2010
29
On 9/24 I'll be interviewing Fincher, Sorkin, Esinberg, Timberlake and G...
Sep 09th 2010
30
You guys gotta download this sampler Trent released
Sep 18th 2010
31
Good lookin out. Reznor been on repeat for the past hour now.
Sep 20th 2010
34
So Business Insider has "the real story" behind the drama (LONG SWIPE)
Sep 21st 2010
36
^^^ Just gave away the whole movie
Sep 21st 2010
37
Oh, I am still going to see it and try and judge it on its merits as a f...
Sep 21st 2010
38
      It's not hatchet job tho
Sep 25th 2010
41
Ehh, the film touches on 90% of everything mentioned here. SPOILERS
Sep 30th 2010
54
Fincher & Sorkin created a well-crafted drama
Sep 25th 2010
40
Thought it was brilliant.
Sep 29th 2010
42
Oh shit...(slight spoiler)
Sep 29th 2010
43
      That tripped me up too
Sep 29th 2010
44
      OH SHIT!
Oct 02nd 2010
61
      LOL hell yeah, almost breaking the 4th wall
Oct 03rd 2010
73
      Yeah, I figured it was two dudes. Very cool.
Oct 02nd 2010
62
      Weird. IMDB doesn't say that
Oct 03rd 2010
68
      WHAT THE FUCK?!!?!?!?!?!??????????????????????
Oct 03rd 2010
72
      There's a bad studio tank green screen shot early on that tipped me off
Nov 09th 2010
151
100% on RT?
Sep 29th 2010
45
*cough* Armond White *cough*
Sep 29th 2010
46
Why?
Sep 29th 2010
47
LMAO, goddammit. It's so predictable at this point.
Sep 29th 2010
48
*cough* major *cough*
Sep 29th 2010
49
To be fair, there's no dislike button
Oct 02nd 2010
60
Picked up the soundtrack on Amazon for 2.99 yesterday
Sep 30th 2010
50
the soundtrack or sampler? soundtrack shows 7.99 today.
Sep 30th 2010
51
      no, that's the one
Sep 30th 2010
52
Goin tonight... my first midnight flick in ages
Sep 30th 2010
53
lol...when did you achor this zootown?
Oct 01st 2010
55
When he realized it's Friday and this is the weekends big opening?
Oct 01st 2010
56
Revenge of the Nerd: A fascinating and highly entertaining combo of
Oct 01st 2010
57
Anyone catch Mark wearing the Arm & Hammer T-Shirt?
Oct 01st 2010
58
The row scene was a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiil extra to me, but was still dope
Oct 03rd 2010
74
Thought this was awesome.
Oct 02nd 2010
59
feels like a throwback to classic hollywood entertainment
Oct 02nd 2010
63
LMAO @ rich ass loser. I was tellin the girl I went with that I wouldn't...
Oct 03rd 2010
75
      It's NOTHING like real life. Mark stayed in pussy
Oct 03rd 2010
78
anyone seeing Oscar noms in this movie's future?
Oct 02nd 2010
64
i hope this doesn't run away with best picture
Oct 02nd 2010
65
I take everything as half-fiction.
Oct 02nd 2010
66
^^^ this here
Oct 02nd 2010
67
      but there's fact/fiction truth and then there's Truth and they missed it
Oct 04th 2010
90
           no I think they did get the Truth
Oct 16th 2010
130
I agree with this
Oct 03rd 2010
69
Cosign, still enjoyed it, but they could have
Oct 03rd 2010
79
I don't think they depicted Zuckerberg as a rock star at all.
Oct 03rd 2010
80
not zuckerberg necessarily, but the culture surrounding him
Oct 04th 2010
91
great review, i agree 100percent
Oct 12th 2010
104
very late in adding...I agree
May 27th 2011
159
And give Reznor the Oscar now
Oct 03rd 2010
70
Cosign.
Oct 03rd 2010
81
...and Sorkin for that matter.
Oct 04th 2010
87
He's gonna have some tough comp w/ Zimmer & maybe Daft Punk
Oct 04th 2010
88
As a DJ, I caught one anachronism...
Oct 03rd 2010
71
I saw that in the trailer and it irked the fuck outta me.
Oct 03rd 2010
76
RE: I saw that in the trailer and it irked the fuck outta me.
Oct 16th 2010
133
I caught that too
Oct 03rd 2010
77
lol you are not alone there
Oct 03rd 2010
82
haha, I thought I was the only one who saw that
Oct 03rd 2010
83
yup, I threw a fit in the theater, too hahaha
Oct 04th 2010
85
LMAO I told the girl I was with, she was like "oh......(.........)"
Oct 04th 2010
86
lol *dap*
Oct 04th 2010
89
Fincher can make a bunch of dudes
Oct 03rd 2010
84
No, Mica, it's not misogynist.
Oct 06th 2010
92
Youre too late
Oct 06th 2010
93
that's where she got it from
Oct 06th 2010
94
      Oh? I didn't get it from my own mind? Gee, thanks.
Oct 07th 2010
97
Ha!
Oct 07th 2010
99
Anybody else distracted by...
Oct 07th 2010
95
yeah, that was crazy distracting
Oct 07th 2010
100
yep
Oct 08th 2010
101
For those that enjoyed Armie Hammer's performance
Oct 07th 2010
96
THAT's where I knew him from
Oct 07th 2010
98
very dope
Oct 08th 2010
102
Aaron Sorkin addresses the "misogyny" issue (swipe)
Oct 12th 2010
103
wow. dope.
Oct 12th 2010
105
Cool that he responded but he's missing the point.
Oct 13th 2010
106
that's the whole point
Oct 13th 2010
107
      ^^^ basically
Oct 13th 2010
108
      i dunno did you guys actually read the jezebel article?
Oct 13th 2010
109
           Her criticism speaks to the dangers of assuming/hoping that the
Oct 13th 2010
111
           so it's ok that sorkin can decide
Oct 13th 2010
112
           If he created the story -- even if it's based on real people --
Oct 13th 2010
116
           yes, it is his decision.
Oct 16th 2010
131
                Actually, it doesn't reflect his views. You're stuck on Auteur Theory
Oct 16th 2010
132
                     there's nothing about the facebook movie movie that is my world
Oct 17th 2010
136
                          No.
Oct 17th 2010
137
                               he's admitted to being an old retarded fuck who doesn't get the internet
Oct 17th 2010
140
           this is true of a lot of things with the movie
Oct 13th 2010
124
           this is the problematic aspect
Oct 13th 2010
113
           I mean, yeah. I agree.
Oct 13th 2010
115
           i haven't seen the movie!
Oct 13th 2010
118
           But it's not a story about girls "coming up with something of value on
Oct 13th 2010
117
           why would it have to be though?
Oct 13th 2010
120
                Without spoiling the movie
Oct 13th 2010
121
                     otay!
Oct 13th 2010
128
           Um, two of the lawyers are women. Which disproves this theory.
Oct 13th 2010
122
                ok
Oct 13th 2010
127
           That's where I'm going with it.
Oct 13th 2010
114
           this is a much better-worded version of my main critique of the film
Oct 13th 2010
129
      Brenda's character could have been given a tad of nuance, no?
Oct 13th 2010
110
           But exactly who in this movie is nuanced? (SPOILERS cmon lfresh)
Oct 13th 2010
119
                RE: But exactly who in this movie is nuanced? (SPOILERS cmon lfresh)
Oct 13th 2010
123
                Seems like your argument is "... but why she have to be Asian?"
Oct 13th 2010
125
                     Christy's character would have been problematic if she were white too...
Oct 13th 2010
126
                          'sall good
Oct 16th 2010
134
                are you going to stand by that statement?
Oct 17th 2010
139
                     Nevermind, fuck it
Oct 17th 2010
141
Ultimately, this is Sorkin's vision, yes BUT
Oct 17th 2010
135
      Are you talking about Sorkin, or Fincher?
Oct 17th 2010
138
           i co-sign all of this
Nov 02nd 2010
147
                lol
Nov 02nd 2010
148
                     it's not about Sorkin. It's about creating a story in general
Nov 03rd 2010
150
lol..what the fuck are y'all arguing about? sounding all hurt?
Oct 17th 2010
142
finally saw it and i really enjoyed the movie
Oct 19th 2010
143
zuckerberg is a better movie reviewer than 90% of critics (video)
Oct 21st 2010
144
No! Sorkin just told the story the way it was! you're wrong!
Oct 21st 2010
145
between your OG post & this clip, the movie's been tainted a bit for me
Jan 19th 2011
152
Here's a good mini-doc about Zuckerberg
Oct 26th 2010
146
This is #1 for 2010 until further notice...
Nov 02nd 2010
149
gosh, i'm in the minority.
Jan 26th 2011
153
RE: gosh, i'm in the minority.
Jan 26th 2011
154
um...this is *kind of* the whole point
Jan 26th 2011
155
"... I'm saying this as someone who often writes about the world the
Jan 26th 2011
156
it's not a mirror of any motherfucking thing
Jan 26th 2011
158
you're making mountains out of molehills. big time
May 27th 2011
160
late to the party and glad i didn't hop in here before viewing
Jan 26th 2011
157

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1. "RE: Fincher . . . Sorkin . . . Facebook . . . The Social Network (TRAILE..."
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wasnt sure what to think of it at first when i heard about it...almost felt like it was a couple years late. but i didnt realize it was supposed to be the actual story of (or loosely interpretation of) the creation of facebook. could be interesting. the trailer is pretty cool.

  

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2. "Looks a lot better than I thought. Hopefully Timberfake don't ruin it."
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3. "Best trailer I've seen in a while."
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The choral version of "Creep" was amazing. I'm officially amped for this one.

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4. "re: Amped."
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A large part of the script takes place sitting at tables, mostly in legal settings. Usually you don't see "legal thrillers" without some Grisham-esque action, chases, etc., but if there's anyone I trust to make captivating the more procedural aspects of this Facebook-story, it's Fincher. You know, there's no way logical reason why on paper this movie would get you "amped", but it does--the trailer, at least. Extremely well-edited, with the Creep cover setting the right tone of anxious intensity.

  

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8. "It's what "August" was trying to be."
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Although that movie has grown on me after watching it a couple times. I didn't like it much the first time but now I think it's ok. Also, I just watched "Overnight" again (the doc about Troy Duffy and the Boondock Saints) and this seems to have kind of a similar theme (with the major difference being that Duffy crashed and burned and Facebook is taking over the web.)

And I think just watching how people change in simple situations is great. In a lot of legal thrillers, the action scene almost take away from the tension. (Like the garage scene in "State of Play". In those types of films, I prefer interrogations to chases.

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5. "I've read both the script and the book, the script's much better"
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But then again I had a lot of problems with the book, which was filled with many incidents that were imagined (no, literally, the author would have passages with sentences beginning with the phrase, "We can imagine...")

Certainly there are meaty roles for Eisenberg, Timberlake, and this new dude Andrew Garfield...

I just wonder how naked Brenda Song's going to get, if at all. Yeah, she's in it, and I said it.

Plus we gon' get THA 'SHIDA!

But back to the script for a minute, it was 161 pages long (and I no longer have access to it, so please don't ask), but I'm guessing the flick will be a lot shorter... and the structure of it might be confusing initially but once it gets going it should play fine... we shall see...

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6. "Actually, word on the street is the running time could be lengthy."
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Seeing what Fincher did with Zodiac, I wouldn't turn down or doubt any epicness coming from his corner.


>But back to the script for a minute, it was 161 pages long
>(and I no longer have access to it, so please don't ask), but
>I'm guessing the flick will be a lot shorter...

1 page = 1 minute, conventionally, right?

I recall it being dialogue-heavy, so would that change the 1:1 ratio at all?

  

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10. "Brenda bout it bout it"
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>I just wonder how naked Brenda Song's going to get, if at all.
> Yeah, she's in it, and I said it.

I couldn't tell for sure if that was her in the trailer but I hope she'll start getting more roles like this.

  

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7. "great trailer! there is clearly a story to be told"
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we all know how it turns out, but little about how it began.

the choral 'creep' combined with finchers distinct look really sold me most of all.

ill see it in some fashion no doubt.

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9. "Fincher got the best looking movies right now."
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Nolan and Aronofsky come close, but Fincher got that distinct cinematography style that makes anything look exciting.

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11. "i read somewhere that trent reznor did the score"
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after committing social network seppuku about a year ago, i'm really looking forward to this

  

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12. "ehhh not totally sold on this"
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I have doubts about what the movie is gonna try to accomplish...how does Fincher want us to feel at the end?

Are we supposed to get caught up in this guy's story of getting really rich by making a website? Are we supposed to get amped about court battles? Are we supposed to be amazed at how fast this site grew? I dunno if I can get really excited about either one. I think the best route would be some kind of social commentary...a message movie about human nature that's not ridiculously obvious, but then I hope it's not too pretentious, lol.

  

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14. "question: Will this film do numbers?"
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If it's after after mid-late November, I think it will

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It's opening up against "Let Me In", the remake of Let the Right One In, which seems like a much better box office prospect. Open it later in the month (even one week later) and I think it could make more money.

Right now, I'm guessing the it makes 30 - 50 million. I'd love for it to make more because we might see more dramas but I wouldn't get my hopes up for a breakout.

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17. "that girl has an amazing ass"
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18. "A sensational trailer. I've watched it five or six times now."
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Can't get enough of the terrific mood that the first minute of it sets.

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19. "RE: Fincher . . . Sorkin . . . Facebook . . . The Social Network (TRAILE..."
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Nothing good can come of this. I hope they just backed up a garbage truck full of money and dumped it on Fincher's driveway

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20. "I saw Inception at a rowdy theater. After the first 20 secs of this trai..."
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... the audience was SILENT.

That's good trailer-making, y'all. These were the ones who were blabbing loudly through Wall Street 2, Tron 2, and The Town. This began, and EVERYONE shut the fuck up.

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22. "or they realized it was about facebook"
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*shrug*

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25. "Which prompted them all to break out their phones"
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And update their statuses

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23. "same exact experience"
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it was nuts, people were captivated immediately. i'm hyped for this though.

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21. "This Could Be Fincher's "The Insider""
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24. "the beginning of the trailer is far more intriguing then the rest"
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some type of commentary piece on facebook could be interesting, but its origins and history don't interest me a bit.

it's a great trailer, and the people involved have me curious, but the content feels like a made for TNT movie.

  

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26. "i really cant see this being interesting"
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but timberlakes in it...and the visual aesthetic is cool enough.

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32. ""but timberlakes in it...""
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lol, he's your incentive?

the fuck?

  

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33. "Apparently he had to work hard to convince Finch to cast him."
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And I can't blame Finch for his skepticism

>lol, he's your incentive?
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http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-justin-timberlake-social-network.html

  

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35. "timberlake is that nigga"
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39. "far from it fam"
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28. "This trailer convinced me that I'm seeing it opening weekend"
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Fincher is one of my favorite directors so he automatically pulled me in from the announcment but Eisenberg looks like he's really showing off his talent as an actor.

I think this film may be a under the radar blockbuster when it comes out for three reasons:

1) Eisenberg is a teenage household name after Adventureland and Zombieland, so he'll draw a young audience.
2) J.T. will bring all the ladies to the theaters as well as fans of his music and Alpha Dog.
3) Facebook. Pretty much anyone on there will be be drawn to this film and want to see the story behind this site that has taken over Myspace and became a staple in their lives

  

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29. "Saw this last nite & it's not too shabby. Jesse Eisenberg is a star."
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Yeah he's backed by a solid Sorkin script & David Fincher's direction but I've been impressed with this kid since Roger Dodger & this could be the role that finally sets him apart from the Cera comparisons.

Don't matter how dynamic the dialogue is if the actors/actresses can't deliver it convincingly. The opening scene shows both Jesse & Rooney Mara are up to the task. As is Andrew Garfield & most of the rest of the cast. Timberfake fails again & the movie drags the most when he's on screen. Max Minghella & the twins were great tho.

The pacing & editing between the two lawsuits was well done at times & kinda sloppy at other times as well. There's even a slight wink/nod/apology to the audience at one point to acknowledge this. The Trent Reznor score was pretty effective early on but barely noticeable by the end.

Without knowing all the facts, there were few scenes that didn't work for me & seemed like obvious falsehoods. Then again truth is stranger than fiction so I'll try to read up on those elsewhere to confirm my doubts. Overall I liked it & appreciated the quick length. Just wish the ending would've been handled a bit better.

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30. "On 9/24 I'll be interviewing Fincher, Sorkin, Esinberg, Timberlake and G..."
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So pumped to do these interviews and most of all see the film!

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31. "You guys gotta download this sampler Trent released"
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http://www.nullco.com/TSN/

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34. "Good lookin out. Reznor been on repeat for the past hour now. "
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This and Inception are the best soundtracks so far this year

  

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36. "So Business Insider has "the real story" behind the drama (LONG SWIPE)"
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Pretty interesting stuff. I had heard the book this flick was kind of one-sided and almost designed to make Zuckerberg look like a dickbag, but if THIS is all true? It's going to be hard to take this movie seriously. It would suck if a movie that has this kind of potential is based on a bunch of bullshit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-movie-zuckerberg-ims

On October 1, Columbia Pictures will release The Social Network, a film that portrays Facebook's CEO and cofounder, Mark Zuckerberg, as an arrogant nerd-punk who betrays friends and classmates in order to get what he wants sex, money, and power.

The movie is fiction. So is the book it's based on Ben Mezrich's The Accidental Billionaires.

Facebook hates the movie. Zuckerberg says he will not watch it.

Based on the early reviews of the movie, this makes sense.

According to sources sources who despise Mark Zuckerberg and sources who admire him the only reason The Accidental Billionaires exists is because one of Mark's Facebook cofounders pitched the book to Mezrich in an attempt to permanently damage Mark's reputation.

According to those sources, that cofounder and Harvard student is Eduardo Saverin.

This is the story of how Eduardo got so angry at Mark -- how, from Eduardo's perspective, Mark screwed him out of a huge chunk of Facebook stock. It's also the story of how Mark solved an early problem at Facebook, one that could potentially have prevented the company from becoming the global behemoth it is today.

The story is sourced from people involved in the founding year of Facebook, people close to Facebook, and documents viewed by Business Insider. It includes previously unpublished emails and instant messages between Mark Zuckerberg and early Facebook colleagues and confidants.

n late 2003, Harvard sophomore Mark Zuckerberg asked a Harvard student named Eduardo Saverin, a junior, to deposit $15,000 in a bank account that would be accessible to both of them. The money, Mark promised, would go toward the servers needed to host a site that Mark wanted to develop. The site would be called TheFacebook.com. Eduardo agreed.

Why did Mark choose Eduardo to be his first business partner?

Mark, Facebook, and Eduardo declined interview requests for this story, but we can infer some of Mark's thinking from previously unpublished instant messages he wrote during the time.

In one IM to a friend, Mark described his new partner, Eduardo, as the "head of the investment society." Eduardo was rich, Mark went on to say, because "apparently insider trading isn't illegal in Brazil."

Mark also partnered with Eduardo because Eduardo gave the impression he knew something about business. Eduardo was the kind of guy who wore suits to class at Harvard, and he left people--including Mark--with the impression that he was connected to the Brazilian mafia.

In another IM conversation, this one from January 8, 2004, Mark described the arrangement this way:

Zuckerberg: Eduardo is paying for my servers.

Friend: A sucker born every day.

Zuckerberg: Nah, he thinks it will make money.

Friend: What do you think?

Zuckerberg: Well I don't know business stuff

Zuckerberg: I'm content to make something cool.

So Mark appears to have approached Eduardo because Eduardo had money and a vision for how to make more of it. Mark, meanwhile, wanted to "make something cool."

With Eduardo's money paying for the servers, TheFacebook.com went live in February 2004. It was an instant sensation at Harvard. Students from other schools quickly clamored for the site's expansion, and Mark and his colleagues obliged.

By April, the site was doing so well that Mark, Eduardo, and a third Harvard sophomore named Dustin Muskovitz formed The Facebook as a limited-liability company (LLC) under Florida law. Two months later, on June 10, 2004, a Harvard commencement speaker mentioned the amazing popularity of thefacebook.com.

It was the high point in the relationship between the cofounders. Things quickly went south from there.

Six months after thefacebook.com launched, as the summer of 2004 began, Mark Zuckerberg and Dustin Moskovitz moved to Palo Alto, California where they planned to work on TheFacebook.com in a rented house. Eduardo Saverin went to New York for an internship at Lehman Brothers.

According to instant messages from this period, before Mark left for the West Coast, he asked Eduardo to work on three things: "to set up the company, get funding, and make a business model."

Almost immediately after the move, the relationship between cofounders began to fray.

At first, it was just a cultural divide. One awkward IM exchange reveals how different Mark's life in Palo Alto was compared to Eduardo's life back on the East Coast:

Saverin: So you guys go out a lot to partiens and such there?

Zuckerberg: But in general we don't do fun things.

Zuckerberg: But that's OK because the business is fun.

Saverin: Lol yeah it is fun. No fun things though?

Zuckerberg: Eh, enough.

But then Eduardo did something that really pissed Mark off: He ran unauthorized ads on Facebook.

Worse, the ads were for a startup Eduardo was running entirely on his own, a job boards site called Joboozle.

Mark flamed Eduardo for this in an email:

You developed Joboozle knowing that at some point Facebook would probably want to do something with jobs. This was pretty surprising to us, because you basically made something on the side that will end up competing with Facebook and that's pretty bad by itself. But putting ads up on Facebook to advertise it, especially for free, is just mean.

What finally sent the relationship between Eduardo and Mark down the tubes was Facebook's need for funding.

As that first summer went on and TheFacebook.com grew more popular than anyone imagined, the company needed money to keep running. Finding investors wasn't hard. As early as July, Silicon Valley bigwigs like Mark Pincus, Reid Hoffman, and Peter Thiel were lining up to give Mark cash. Things were going so well, in fact, that Mark soon decided to commit to the company and not return to Harvard for his junior year.

What was hard, however, was getting Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin's attention, getting him to make a decision, and getting him to sign off on the reformation of Facebook as a company under Delaware law a crucial step before any funding deals could be completed.

At one point, Mark emailed Eduardo to offer him frequent flyer miles if it would get him out to Palo Alto. Eduardo didn't take the offer. The situation soon became critical, because without financing, TheFacebook.com would end up running on Zuckerberg family loans.

Eventually, Mark decided to solve the problem by cutting Eduardo out of the company.

In an IM with Dustin Moskovitz, Mark explained why:

I maintain that he fucked himselfHe was supposed to set up the company, get funding, and make a business model. He failed at all threeNow that I'm not going back to Harvard I don't need to worry about getting beaten by Brazilian thugs.

When Mark Zuckerberg and Dustin Moskovitz moved out to Palo Alto in June 2004, they ran into Sean Parker, an Internet startup kid best known for cofounding Napster. Sean soon joined TheFacebook.com.

Sean's first task was to do one of things Eduardo was supposed to do, but hadn't yet: help Facebook find money. Sean had raised money for Napster and he knew his way around Silicon Valley. He quickly proved himself capable. For Mark, this only reinforced the idea that Eduardo was expendable.

The only problem was: How would Mark cut Facebook's third-biggest stakeholder and co-founder out of the company?

In an IM exchange with Sean after a meeting with Peter Thiel, who would soon become Facebook's first outside investor, Mark and Sean discussed the Eduardo problem. Mark hinted at a hardball solution, one based on some "dirty tricks" used by Peter Thiel. Thiel had learned these tricks, Sean said, from one of the most legendary venture capitalists in the Valley, Michael Moritz of Sequoia. Sequoia has funded Google, Yahoo, PayPal, Zappos, and many other massive tech companies.

Parker: Peter tried some dirty tricks. All that shit he does is like classic Moritz shit.

Zuckerberg: Haha really?

Parker: Only Moritz does it way better.

Zuckerberg: That's weak.

Parker: I bet he learned that from Mike.

Zuckerberg: Well, now I learned it from him and I'll do it to Eduardo.

In later emails and IMs, we learn what "dirty tricks" Mark intended to pull to get TheFacebook.com funding without having to wait for sign-off from Eduardo.

His plan: Reduce Eduardo's stake in TheFacebook.com by creating a new company, a Delaware corporation, to acquire the old company (the Florida LLC formed in April), and then distribute new shares in the new company to everybody but Eduardo. Mark discussed this plan with confidants over IM several times.

Here's one instance:

Confidant: How are you going to get around Eduardo?

Zuckerberg: I'm going to buy the LLC

Zuckerberg: And then give him less shares in the company that bought it

Confidant: I'm not sure it's worth a potential lawsuit just to redistribute shares. You have nothing to gain.

Zuckerberg: No I do because until I do this I need to run everything by Eduardo. After this I have control

In another, Mark writes:

"Eduardo is refusing to co-operate at allWe basically now need to sign over our intellectual property to a new company and just take the lawsuitI'm just going to cut him out and then settle with him. And he'll get something I'm sure, but he deserves somethingHe has to sign stuff for investments and he's lagging and I can't take the lag."

In the middle of that summer, Mark went forward with his plan:

On July 29, 2004, the new company, TheFacebook.com was incorporated in Delaware. Then it acquired the old company, formed back in April as an LLC in Florida.

On September 27, 2004, Peter Thiel formally acquired 9% of the new company with a convertible note worth $500,000. Before the transaction, Facebook ownership was divided between Zuckerberg, with 65%, Saverin, with 30%, and Moskovitz, with 5%. After the transaction, the new company was divided between Zuckerberg, with 40%, Saverin, with 24%, Moskovitz, with 16%, and Thiel with 9%. The rest, about 20%, went to an options pool for future employees. From there, a good chunk of equity went to Eduardo's replacement, TheFacebook.com's new COO, Sean Parker.

On October 31, 2004, Eduardo signed a shareholder agreement that alloted him 3 million shares of common stock in the new company. In the agreement, he handed over all relevant intellectual property and turned over his voting rights to Mark Zuckerberg. Mark became Facebook's sole director.

On January 7, 2005, Mark caused Facebook to issue 9 million shares of common stock in the new company. He took 3.3. million shares for himself and gave 2 million to Sean Parker and 2 million to Dustin Moskovitz. This share issuance instantly diluted Eduardo's stake in the company from ~24% to below 10%.

Mark's plan had succeeded. Eduardo was, for all intents and purposes, gone.

In a testament to how little Eduardo was involved in Facebook's operations after Mark left Harvard, Eduardo apparently only found out how badly he'd been diluted in April 2005, when TheFacebook.com sent him a letter seeking approval for its second formal round of funding.

Fifteen days after that letter was sent from TheFacebook.com's HQ, one came back from Eduardo's lawyers. The next day, Mark finally fired Eduardo.

Had Mark misled Eduardo, screwing out of the majority of his stake in the company without telling Eduardo that that was what he was planning to do? Or had Eduardo just not been paying attention when he signed his rights away?

The answers aren't clear, but the lawsuits predictably followed.

First, Facebook filed a lawsuit against Saverin, arguing that the stock-purchase agreements he had signed in October were valid. Then Saverin sued Zuckerberg, alleging he spent Facebook's money (his money) on personal expenses over the summer.

The jilted Eduardo grew bitter. At one point, he reached out to Cameron Winklevoss, Tyler Winklevoss, and Divvya Narendra the Harvard students who allege that Mark Zuckerberg stole their idea for the company in the first place.

Eventually, sources say, Eduardo decided to attack Mark's reputation.

He approached Ben Mezrich the author of Bringing Down The House, a book about how a group of MIT students made it big in Vegas and offered him a book about how a group of Harvard students made it big in Silicon Valley. Bringing Down The House makes its characters out to be rock stars and scoundrels; the Facebook book, Accidental Billionaires, does the same. The upcoming movie based on the book features cocaine, models, and dark, moody, lighting from the director who brought you Fight Club. It's a character assasination.

After Eduardo began talking to Mezrich, he and Facebook settled their lawsuits. Facebook went from officially denying Eduardo's status as a cofounder to listing him as one on its Web site. As a part of the settlement, Eduardo stopped talking to the press.

Like the Winklevoss brothers, Eduardo Saverin clearly felt he got screwed by Mark Zuckerberg in Facebook's early days, and in one way, he did. (Whether this move was justified based on Eduardo's behavior, however, is another question).

But also like the Winklevosses, Eduardo won huge in the end. Thanks to Mark and the rest of the Facebook team, Eduardo's little $15,000 investment is now worth more than $1 billion, with no further effort from himself.

It was certainly one of the best investments of all time.

Note: We've been in contact with Facebook and expect a statement shortly.

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37. "^^^ Just gave away the whole movie"
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Like I said above, I had problems with the book mainly because it was so fixated on imagining stuff that Zuckerberg did and presenting Saverin as a wronged figure

That view doesn't really change in the script, and I doubt it changes in the finished movie

In fact I read somewhere that Jesse Eisenberg said something to the effect of, "of the 2 hours, Zuckerberg's only sympathetic for the last five minutes"

All of this won't deter me from seeing the film and it shouldn't deter anyone else either, that is if they're not thinking they're going to see a 100% fact-based and thoroughly-researched movie about the exciting entrepreneurial formation of Facebook, a movie about Facebook users, or Facebook employees, as it's clearly NOT going to be any of those things...

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38. "Oh, I am still going to see it and try and judge it on its merits as a f..."
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But I'd be lying if I said this stuff won't be on my mind at least a little bit when I finally get to watch it.

A biopic (even if this isn't really one) doesn't have to be 100% true to be good, or even great. But I can see why Zuckerberg's pissed at this. I probably wouldn't want most of America's introduction to me to come in a movie based on a complete hatchet job about me.

Still looking forward to seeing this.

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41. "It's not hatchet job tho"
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There's nothing definitive in the movie about his lawsuits with Saverin or the Winklevi, expect that he's an asshole, partly because he has trouble relating to people outside of the internet.

  

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54. "Ehh, the film touches on 90% of everything mentioned here. SPOILERS"
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Mark comes of as an ass just b/c he doesn't fare well in social situations but that's about it as far as "character assasination" goes. They only left out the beef abt Eduardo trying to start his own shit on the side and running ads on FB. They show Eduardo carelessly going into the meeting with FB attorneys and signing the new corp agreement. The issue is whether Mark, who was his "best friend", should've done more to inform Eduardo of his plan. From this article, it seems that they feel like Mark and Ed weren't good friends at all. Who knows? There are probably mad fictionalized elements in the flick that weren't touched on in the article tho. Either way; they're both worth billions so fuck em.

  

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40. "Fincher & Sorkin created a well-crafted drama"
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This shit is edge of your seat good. The cast and crew when talking about the film seemed really invested in the story and it shows on screen.

On another note Andrew Garfield is kinda weird in real life. Alot taller than I thought too.

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42. "Thought it was brilliant. "
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The dialog is fucking amazing and the twins steal every scene they're in. Eisenberg is good, Timberlake is serviceable. A great film on a subject I didn't think I'd care about.

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43. "Oh shit...(slight spoiler)"
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The twins were played by one dude?! Hell of a performance. Loved those characters so much.

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Kind of gives that "...and there's two of me!" line extra weight (and it was already a great line)

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62. "Yeah, I figured it was two dudes. Very cool."
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Talked a lot like Jon Hamm to me.

  

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68. "Weird. IMDB doesn't say that "
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I just Googled and see that it is apparently true.

Wow at that bit of CGI, I don't even know how that's possible.

  

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Wooooooooooooooow, I really just figured they found some twin actors. That's wiiiiiiiiiiild!!!!!!

And LMMFAO @ the part "I'm 6'5, 220, and there's two of me"

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and I wondered "did they get twins or is it one dude pulling a Patty Duke?"

Saw the credits & got my answer.

  

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45. "100% on RT?"
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Is that even possible?

No major critics hated on this? There's always a few.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the-social-network/

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46. "*cough* Armond White *cough* "
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I respect him as a critic though.

  

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47. "Why?"
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48. "LMAO, goddammit. It's so predictable at this point."
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The best part is when he talks about how favorably Soul Man and Harvard Man compare in terms of their abilities to talk about what happens at Ivy schools.

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49. " *cough* major *cough* "
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but I'm sure that was one entertaining read.

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60. "To be fair, there's no dislike button"
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50. "Picked up the soundtrack on Amazon for 2.99 yesterday"
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Very good.

Very, Very good.

Slashfilm has a pretty good interview with Trent (50 mins) on the process for making the score. Trent is a dry interview though.

I cannot wait to see this.

  

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51. "the soundtrack or sampler? soundtrack shows 7.99 today."
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maybe i'm lookin at the wrong thing tho

  

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52. "no, that's the one"
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I guess it was a 2-day only deal.
I found out late yesterday and grabbed it quickly.

  

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53. "Goin tonight... my first midnight flick in ages"
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(actually it'll be the first one since Paranormal Activity)

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55. "lol...when did you achor this zootown?"
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56. "When he realized it's Friday and this is the weekends big opening?"
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57. "Revenge of the Nerd: A fascinating and highly entertaining combo of"
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Sorkin's heartfelt writing and Fincher's cold, detached (but very effective) filmmaking

Now when I say 'heartfelt' in regard to Sorkin's writing I don't mean 'heartfelt' in the Pixar/Cameron Crowe sense, but more in the sense that Sorkin understands the emotional underpinnings of what's going on here and uses them to guide the story being told... Zuckerberg's a scorned nerd whose revenge grows and grows into a monster that not even a smart cat like him could understand...

I thought Jesse Eisenberg was on fire as Zuckerberg. I thought he nailed how Zuckerberg used his intelligence and arrogance as armor against those who hurt him. Oddly enough, though, there were moments where I thought of Danny Pudi playing Abed on Community. Odd. Anyway, he was great and should be nominated for something. Andrew Garfield was cool as Saverin and I thought he got better as the movie went on and the betrayal played itself out. Timberlake was okay as Sean Parker, Armie Hammer was hilarious as them twins, and both Brenda and 'Shida were hot.

The dialogue sang and was beautiful to hear. I had my doubts when I read the actual script, but they were quelled when I heard the words actually being spoken. Really witty and whip-smart and sharp. This is a writer's movie.

The score by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross (gotta mention him too, guys) was fantastic.

My only real complaint is that I think Fincher shot the movie too dark, tried to give it more of a gravitas and "weight" than it actually needed. This is a simple story of friendship, loyalty, and betrayal, and while the (sometimes obvious) touches like lighting Timberlake's face as if to suggest the devil (in the club scene) were nice, I don't know if we needed them.

Very enjoyable movie overall.

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58. "Anyone catch Mark wearing the Arm & Hammer T-Shirt?"
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Nice insider joke on Armie Hammer, the real-life heir to that throne and the actor who portrays the Winklevoss twins.

Zoo's summary is spot on for me, except I liked the dark feel. Thought it played to the story and mood well. The tilt-shift rowing sequence was cool and avoided being too gimmicky.

Superb film. Will mostly likely sweep up at Oscar time, but I'm stating the obvious.

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74. "The row scene was a liiiiiiiiiiiiiiil extra to me, but was still dope"
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I was just like damn, that was the most dramatic row battle I'll ever see. They directed that scene on some ESPN Super Bowl epic film shit

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59. "Thought this was awesome."
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In other hands this movie could've been a mess, but Sorkin and Fincher did a nice job with it.

The acting was generally really great, too. Overall maybe the best time I've had in a theater since There Will Be Blood.

  

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63. "feels like a throwback to classic hollywood entertainment"
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not a single boring moment or weak character in this flick.
not too much filler in the dialogue though there was a fake ass attempt at a quotable: "Mark you are not an asshole, you're just trying hard to be an asshole" or some shit like that.
FOH
take this damn deposition and STFU...lol

heartbreak has inspired some of the greatest moments/people/inventions in history so i like that the movie brings it back to this rich ass loser refreshing a friend request page.

it's pathetic but i can relate to the desperation. i mean he was what like 23. he was still "loving these hoes"

apparently the movie is far from an accurate account. and i'm glad cause i think the real story would have not been as exciting.

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75. "LMAO @ rich ass loser. I was tellin the girl I went with that I wouldn't..."
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surprised if he was suicidal, even with money, because he's obviously still a loser who's probably depressed. If that movie is anything like real life, he NEVER seemed genuinely happy throughout the movie.

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78. "It's NOTHING like real life. Mark stayed in pussy"
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apparently. Untill he got serious w/ his current main chick


>surprised if he was suicidal, even with money, because he's
>obviously still a loser who's probably depressed. If that
>movie is anything like real life, he NEVER seemed genuinely
>happy throughout the movie.

  

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64. "anyone seeing Oscar noms in this movie's future?"
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hmmm?

  

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65. "i hope this doesn't run away with best picture"
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because based on the critical acclaim, it really looks like it might. don't get me wrong, it was a very good movie. but it just seemed like there was a lot added in unnecessarily to make an already fascinating story more exciting. namely, all the sex, drugs, and rock and roll seemed forced on these characters. it was like sorkin/fincher didn't really get what makes this world and this culture tick, so they just threw on the trappings of a culture they did understand and turned them into grunge band rock stars, complete with groupies and all. you can take one look at zuckerberg-- the real one-- and tell it didn't go down like that.

and if you know anything about his actual life, which unfortunately i did (unfortunately for my movie-going experience), you know he had a steady girl throughout harvard which he's still with today. right now, they live in a rented two-bedroom house together. so the film's entire premise, that zuckerberg built the greatest internet empire ever to get back at/get over a girl or to compensate for his own lack of social skills is false. and lazy. i understand there's often a choice between the truth and good storytelling, but a lot of the embellishment just seemed unnecessary.

and here's why. there is an enormous amount to say about facebook and what it, and other social networks before it, represent to the human race. moving our identities online, connecting with people who-- in times past-- would have been long gone from our lives, surrendering/entrusting our privacy, etc. zuckerberg himself, in response to the privacy flap last year, has said that if there's something in your past you're ashamed of, maybe you shouldn't have done it. these are people who haven't really lived building a worldwide social structure for billions who have. there's a ton of material there. there's also a lot to say about a platform-- the free and open internet-- that, for the first time in history made it possible for a few college kids to overtake and surpass giant, billion-dollar multinational corporations in the span of a couple years. and of course, there's the lawsuits-- which the film got the most "right" in terms of their importance to the facebook/zuckerberg story. felt like there were a lot of missed opportunities, thrown aside for the sake of watching some cute girls in panties do bong hits.

but like i said, don't get me wrong, it's a very good movie. the dialogue crackles, just incredible, and eisenberg and the cast deliver it beautifully. timberlake's speech in the club about the creator of victoria's secret and how "the water under the golden gate is freezing cold" was great. i loved the way they set up his character as the devil on zuckerberg's shoulder. there was a lot of stuff dramatically that worked well, foremost the betrayal between zuckerberg and saverin, probably because the movie was based on saverin's account of events. zuckerberg's isolation and the dynamic between him and erica (refreshing his friend request at the end) didn't work as well for me, because like i said, it was a false premise. he's a middle-class kid from suburban new york, he had friends (and by the way, saverin was never really one of them in real life, just an unwisely-chosen business partner). that's simply not what drove him to build facebook. the twins were great (and it tripped me out too when i saw they were played by one guy), and the scene in the president's office with larry summers was top notch. a lot of the characters were a bit one-note, but whatever. it worked. just a lot to really like about this film.

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66. "I take everything as half-fiction."
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I know everything didn't go down as it did on screen, but I would like to think it did just for how well the story conveyed. I hope it does get nominations, especially the score.

  

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67. "^^^ this here"
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there is no fact in Hollywood or any body of work, for that matter. everything is at the mercy of the writer and director and this coming from a source or sources, all with their own unique points of view.

so what if they embellished it? there's no way anyone could possibly and accurately recount events verbatim. I'm sure it's true that Zuckerberg's version of things would be far less exciting, though much of it, including the parties and club scenarios were likely based on real events.

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90. "but there's fact/fiction truth and then there's Truth and they missed it"
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for example, oliver stone's JFK treated the fact/fiction truth like it didn't matter. but by doing so, the movie absolutely nailed the capital-T Truth, which is that the fact/fiction truth of the JFK assassination stopped mattering long ago and that the myriad of convoluted, often contradictory conspiracy theories are now that story's Truth.

sorkin and fincher played it loose with the fact/fiction truth, fine. it's a movie. that's whatever. but i feel like they did so to such an extent that they missed out on the larger capital-T Truth of the facebook/zuckerberg story. sorkin has admitted openly that he isn't on facebook and doesn't know much of anything about facebook. he also admitted that he had no access to zuckerberg during the writing process. and i feel like this lack of understanding led him to turn the facebook story into one about zuckerberg's social awkwardness (he started the site because he was rejected by a girl, and at the end, he's clicking refresh on his friend request to her) and personal ruthlessness (he betrayed his best and only friend).

but in reality, the facebook story isn't that at all. zuckerberg was captain of his fencing team in high school, he had a long-term girl in harvard, he had friends, and saverin probably wasn't even one of them. sorkin and fincher told a great story, but they could have shoehorned the fictional details they chose onto almost any story. a few years ago, this could have been the google movie with the exact same basic story of genius, social awkwardness, and isolation (and girls in panties doing bong hits), and it would have been just as accurate, just as True.

so what is it that makes zuckerberg and facebook unique? what is the capital-T Truth of that specific story? i don't know exactly what it is, but it's way closer to: 500 billion people voluntarily surrendering large chunks of their privacy and a platform (the free and open internet) that makes it possible for a couple college kids with a good idea, a great business sense, and relatively zero personal resources to take over the world. the facebook story isn't citzen kane or the aviator, it's way closer to 9/11. 19 guys with boxcutters and an idea cripple the greatest empire on the planet. (not to suggest facebook is evil, i'm just comparing the "small idea, small resources, world-altering impact" thing). need an overarching motivation for the zuckerberg character? read some of the guy's earliest instant messages to friends about the site. fantastic movie, but they missed it.

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130. "no I think they did get the Truth"
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firstly you want it to be a positive film about cultural revolution but it's intent was fundamentally critical/cynical

look at the tag line, 'you don't make 500 million friends without making a few enemies' - the emphasis is on the negative. Secondly, the title The Social Network is chosen for its double meaning - on one hand Facebook, MySoace etc., but on the other hand the theme of tight-knit social circles and cliques and clubs and class and how they all intermesh.

Most of the conversations in the film are about the latter type of social network, the old type. Starting with the very first one. Some people can leverage these group dynamics and play them as a game to their advantage, but the main thrust of the film was what happens when you mistreat people somewhat in your quest for success.

And there is where they nailed the Truth. Zuckerberg did not act entirely honourably, but he was creative, and it was his creativity rather than any honour that created all the wealth. The Truth is messy, the film reflected that, and suggested that regrets/remorse over severed relationships is a high price to pay.

And in the context of social exclusivity, all the college parties and stuff made sense. They were relevant



>for example, oliver stone's JFK treated the fact/fiction
>truth like it didn't matter. but by doing so, the movie
>absolutely nailed the capital-T Truth, which is that the
>fact/fiction truth of the JFK assassination stopped mattering
>long ago and that the myriad of convoluted, often
>contradictory conspiracy theories are now that story's Truth.
>
>sorkin and fincher played it loose with the fact/fiction
>truth, fine. it's a movie. that's whatever. but i feel like
>they did so to such an extent that they missed out on the
>larger capital-T Truth of the facebook/zuckerberg story.
>sorkin has admitted openly that he isn't on facebook and
>doesn't know much of anything about facebook. he also
>admitted that he had no access to zuckerberg during the
>writing process. and i feel like this lack of understanding
>led him to turn the facebook story into one about zuckerberg's
>social awkwardness (he started the site because he was
>rejected by a girl, and at the end, he's clicking refresh on
>his friend request to her) and personal ruthlessness (he
>betrayed his best and only friend).
>
>but in reality, the facebook story isn't that at all.
>zuckerberg was captain of his fencing team in high school, he
>had a long-term girl in harvard, he had friends, and saverin
>probably wasn't even one of them. sorkin and fincher told a
>great story, but they could have shoehorned the fictional
>details they chose onto almost any story. a few years ago,
>this could have been the google movie with the exact same
>basic story of genius, social awkwardness, and isolation (and
>girls in panties doing bong hits), and it would have been just
>as accurate, just as True.
>
>so what is it that makes zuckerberg and facebook unique? what
>is the capital-T Truth of that specific story? i don't know
>exactly what it is, but it's way closer to: 500 billion people
>voluntarily surrendering large chunks of their privacy and a
>platform (the free and open internet) that makes it possible
>for a couple college kids with a good idea, a great business
>sense, and relatively zero personal resources to take over the
>world. the facebook story isn't citzen kane or the aviator,
>it's way closer to 9/11. 19 guys with boxcutters and an idea
>cripple the greatest empire on the planet. (not to suggest
>facebook is evil, i'm just comparing the "small idea, small
>resources, world-altering impact" thing). need an overarching
>motivation for the zuckerberg character? read some of the
>guy's earliest instant messages to friends about the site.
>fantastic movie, but they missed it.

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69. "I agree with this"
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It was an excellent film. The dialogue was Sorkin at his best, there wasn't a single weak performance and it was paced very well. But it did play loose and fast with some of its facts (which I am not universally against) and that kinda bothered me here.

And I agree with the untapped potential that this story had. Again, the filmmakers knew what they were doing, and maybe a more focused story was the only way it could have worked. But I would have liked to see them try.

Bottom line, still a very good movie that I would recommend to everyone.

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79. "Cosign, still enjoyed it, but they could have "
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80. "I don't think they depicted Zuckerberg as a rock star at all."
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I think they depicted Parker as wanting to be one... but that's not what Zuckerberg liked about Parker. He liked Parker's "fuck you" attitude and the fact that he valued coolness over an instant buck.

The only reason sex and drugs play into it is due to their tie to the coolness factor-- and we don't ever see Zuckerberg directly involved with a woman, he's never drunk, he never does drugs. He's constantly working hard in the film, with maybe one or two exceptions. But when the bong hits are going on, Zuckerberg is napping because he'd been working so hard.

That part didn't bother me. The implication that it was primarily done due to being scorned by a girl is simplistic, but you know, someone once said everything great any man ever did was for a girl. It's something people understand, and the refreshing of the page helps us get (a) his pursuit of perfection will literally never end, and (b) he's not a hero figure we should worship. (Sidenote: this is why Armond White's review was so obviously wrong-- he missed the message on Zuckerberg completely).

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91. "not zuckerberg necessarily, but the culture surrounding him"
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>That part didn't bother me. The implication that it was
>primarily done due to being scorned by a girl is simplistic,
>but you know, someone once said everything great any man ever
>did was for a girl.

yeah, but facebook wasn't done for a girl. so to shoehorn that cliche motivation onto this story betrayed a lack of insight on sorkin's part, IMO. i mean, yeah, it makes for great drama, it's a great storytelling element, and audiences get it right away, but it's just not what the facebook story or zuckerberg's story is about.

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159. "very late in adding...I agree"
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didn't interest me due to subject matter and the fact I didn't love Zodiac (big Fincher fan though)...but having just seen it, it's *a lot* better movie than I could have imagined it being. there were some Hollywood hang-ups that kept it out of greatness territory, but I actually think it'll age well as a snapshot of current excesses and motivations.

and yeah, the dialogue was the best part.

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70. "And give Reznor the Oscar now"
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81. "Cosign."
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87. "...and Sorkin for that matter."
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88. "He's gonna have some tough comp w/ Zimmer & maybe Daft Punk"
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But a nomination is at least in order.

Then again I thought Nick Cave was a lock for the Jesse James flick too.

  

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71. "As a DJ, I caught one anachronism..."
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They were using Serato Scratch Live in a scene that was from 2003, but that program didn't come out til May 2004 and didn't really go mainstream until 05-06. So unless he had a beta, that was fake. Doesn't mean anything at all though...just something I can add to the IMDB goofs

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76. "I saw that in the trailer and it irked the fuck outta me. "
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Granted, I didn't say anything cause I didn't want to look like a total dork. I just didn't get it cause Serato added nothing to the scene. It was on screen for 10 seconds.

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133. "RE: I saw that in the trailer and it irked the fuck outta me. "
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Adding to the "me too!" chorus.

My first thought was that the CDJ he was working was not of the time, but some quick calculation in my head as to when I got mine ruled that out. Then I realized it was the Serrato that was out of place.

  

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77. "I caught that too"
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and I thought it was wack and i muttered "bullshit" when they closed up on the screen...lol

  

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82. "lol you are not alone there"
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83. "haha, I thought I was the only one who saw that"
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They should make a movie about them dudes

  

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85. "yup, I threw a fit in the theater, too hahaha"
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84. "Fincher can make a bunch of dudes"
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starting a website 2x as exciting as most of the action in Inception.

  

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92. "No, Mica, it's not misogynist."
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This is what's known as a preemptive strike. Carry on, y'all.

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93. "Youre too late"
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I have already seen some of those articles up around the interwebs.

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97. "Oh? I didn't get it from my own mind? Gee, thanks. "
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99. "Ha!"
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I don't necessarily think it is misogynist, but I think the points that have been raised have some validity to them.

I did note during the movie that women were relegated to various corners of stereotypes, although if you look at, say, Fincher's FC there's only one woman in that, so that's just part of his thing.

I find this article on the lack of positive women roles interesting: http://jezebel.com/5654633/the-social-network-where-women-never-have-ideas

Finally, as I said in GD, I find it interesting that the one positive female role (you could argue that Mara Rooney, while a "bitch", has an empowering moment when she tells Mark to fuck off) has both the best line and let's the entire movie off of the hook: "Creation myths need a devil".

  

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95. "Anybody else distracted by..."
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the cgi breath?

I know authentic New England breath and that wasn't it.

All kidding aside, I really loved it.

I wouldn't be mad at Oscars for Eisenberg, Sorkin, Garfield, Hammer, Fincher or Reznor & Finch.

Zodiac is still Fincher's masterpiece, but otherwise I think this best work that those I've mentioned above have done.


This has me reservedly excited for Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. The book was pretty blah, but there is a much better movie in there than what we got from the Swedish. Rooney Mara impressed me quite a bit, I'm excited to see her Salander.

  

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100. "yeah, that was crazy distracting"
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i was like, cgi is way out of control. just leave it out. boston does have winter days above 32 degrees.

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101. "yep"
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i was actually surprised by how faked it looked

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96. "For those that enjoyed Armie Hammer's performance"
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I'd suggest checking out Reaper.

Yes, it was a show on the CW, but it was pretty damn enjoyable.

Hammer shows up in the latter episodes and is pretty great in it.

  

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98. "THAT's where I knew him from"
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He played the devil's other son, the total douchebag.

And agreed, it was a good show.

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102. "very dope"
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i stayed away from looking into this movie previously because it was about facebook, and i HATE facebook, but after seeing the score on RT i was intrigued. so then i came in this post and you guys were saying how good it was so i checked it out.

damn, that was a good movie. fincher and sorkin delivered. everybody was good, except the actor that played the twins. he was not just good, he was great. stole every scene.

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103. "Aaron Sorkin addresses the "misogyny" issue (swipe)"
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http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2010/10/aaron-sorkin-responds-to-commenter-in.html


>Many thanks to Aaron Sorkin for graciously responding to a commenter on my review of SOCIAL NETWORK. Having Aaron Sorkin contribute to your blog is like having Vin Scully agree to call your Little League game. He posted in the comments section but I think it's worthy of its own post. He responds to a reader named Tarazza. Here's her comment followed by his. Again, many thanks Aaron. And you too, Tarazza.


Tarazza


I love your blog!!


I also loved The Social Network, except for one thing-- the lack of a decent portrayal of women. With the exception of 1 or 2 of them (Rashida Jones included), they were basically sex objects/stupid groupies. Even what you say here:

Jesse Eisenberg is what Michael Cera aspires to be. Justin Timberlake continues to be the most talented STAR SEARCH winner ever, And Rashida Jones is just great to look at.


... kinda makes me think that Aaron Sorkin (though I love his writing) failed the women in this script. Kind of a shame considering he's written great women characters like C.J. Cregg!


This is Aaron Sorkin and I wanted to address Taraza's comment. (Ken, I'll get to you in and your very generous blog post in just a moment.

Tarazza--believe me, I get it. It's not hard to understand how bright women could be appalled by what they saw in the movie but you have to understand that that was the very specific world I was writing about. Women are both prizes an equal. Mark's blogging that we hear in voiceover as he drinks, hacks, creates Facemash and dreams of the kind of party he's sure he's missing, came directly from Mark's blog. With the exception of doing some cuts and tightening (and I can promise you that nothing that I cut would have changed your perception of the people or the trajectory of the story by even an inch) I used Mark's blog verbatim. Mark said, "Erica Albright's a bitch" (Erica isn't her real name--I changed three names in the movie when there was no need to embarrass anyone further), "Do you think that's because all B.U. girls are bitches?" Facebook was born during a night of incredibly misogyny. The idea of comparing women to farm animals, and then to each other, based on their looks and then publicly ranking them. It was a revenge stunt, aimed first at the woman who'd most recently broke his heart (who should get some kind of medal for not breaking his head) and then at the entire female population of Harvard.

More generally, I was writing about a very angry and deeply misogynistic group of people. These aren't the cuddly nerds we made movies about in the 80's. They're very angry that the cheerleader still wants to go out with the quarterback instead of the men (boys) who are running the universe right now. The women they surround themselves with aren't women who challenge them (and frankly, no woman who could challenge them would be interested in being anywhere near them.)

And this very disturbing attitude toward women isn't just confined to the guys who can't get dates.

I didn't invent the "F--k Truck", it's real--and the men (boys) at the final clubs think it's what they deserve for being who they are. (It's only fair to note that the women--bussed in from other schools for the "hot" parties, wait on line to get on that bus without anyone pointing guns at their heads.)

These women--whether it's the girls who are happy to take their clothes off and dance for the boys or Eduardo's psycho-girlfriend are real. I mean REALLY real. (In the case of Christy, Eduardo's girlfriend so beautifully played by Brenda Song, I conflated two characters--again I hope you'll trust me that doing that did nothing to alter our take on the events. Christy was the second of three characters whose name I changed.)

I invented two characters--one was Rashida Jones's "Marylin", the youngest lawyer on the team and a far cry from the other women we see in the movie. She's plainly serious, competent and, when asked, has no problem speaking the truth as she sees it to Mark. The other was Gretchen, Eduardo's lawyer (in reality there was a large team of litigators who all took turns deposing witnesses but I wanted us to become familiar with just one person--a woman, who, again, is nobody's trophy.

And Rooney Mara's Erica's a class act.

I wish I could go door to door and make this explanation/apology to any woman offended by the things you've pointed out but obviously that's unrealistic so I thought the least I could do was speak directly to you.

Ken--Thanks for your really nice words and for giving me a chance to apologize again for my remarks back in 2005. Obviously a star writer on one of the best comedies of all time doesn't need to prove his credentials as a "real" comedy writer.

Aaron Sorkin

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105. "wow. dope."
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106. "Cool that he responded but he's missing the point."
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Brenda Song's character was a weak as fuck stereotype and that's his fault.

I mean does he really think the majority of the audience walked out of the movie thinking that the film subverted misogyny?

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107. "that's the whole point"
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harvard is a boy's club. computers are the ultimate boys club. the fact that there are women programmers doesn't change the fact that the field is dominated by frustrated, resentful testosterone...which would regard women as objects.

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108. "^^^ basically"
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>harvard is a boy's club. computers are the ultimate boys
>club. the fact that there are women programmers doesn't
>change the fact that the field is dominated by frustrated,
>resentful testosterone...which would regard women as objects.

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109. "i dunno did you guys actually read the jezebel article?"
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it was written by a woman that went to harvard the year before Mark
so the world you guys are describing seems to have been edited for hollywood as per usual but to such an extreme extent that it makes you question the writer

here are her last paragraphs:


"But it's doing Zuckerberg himself a disservice to reduce his creativity and problem-solving to a sort of digital hate fuck.

He lived, and lives, in a world where, even if women were scarce in computer science classes, they were achieving as brilliantly as the men around them, in a Harvard that was driven more by extracurricular accomplishment than it was by the old-boy network, even if the old boys haven't had their last gasp.

That world had its problems, but I never thought it was driven by simultaneous desire and contempt for women. The fictional Mark Zuckerberg starts Facemash, a site where girls can be cruelly judged on their looks, the only thing they're good for. In real life, Facemash was criticized by groups representing women of color, but it was also equal opportunity judgment: It had men and women on it, which you'd never know from the movie. The real life Sean Parker may be a womanizer, but unlike the character played by Justin Timberlake, he didn't find out about Facebook from a nubile co-ed in Stanford panties who was thrilled to find out she'd scored with a Silicon Valley celeb he found out about it from his roommate's girlfriend.

It makes you wonder why the filmmakers tried so hard to create a world so hostile and diminishing to women, where aside from a small character for real-life Harvard grad Rashida Jones that seems to have been designed to preempt criticism the choices are being a stern bitch (like the ones in the administrative board hearings) or dropping your panties at the sight of power. I don't know from personal experience, but that sounds a lot more like Hollywood."


jeez i haven't even seen the movie yet
i'm trying to avoid spoilers like fuck
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111. "Her criticism speaks to the dangers of assuming/hoping that the"
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movie is going to be a 100% fact-based -- or even 75% fact-based -- account of the exact events that caused the formation of Facebook, complete with each and every single person, male and female, good and bad, that came along for the ride...

It's pretty clear that Sorkin's not interested in that "just the facts, maam" story.

Sorkin's clearly more interested in the (male) class factions/divisions in this world and the sense of entitlement that's a part of it.

In this particular world, the women are prizes.

And it should be clear by his comments above that while he's interested in this world, and how these guys behave, he doesn't agree with it or cosign it in any way.

Which is what bothers me about the criticism that the movie's "misogynist." This clearly is not Sorkin's own views on women, or Fincher's for that matter.

They took what was reported (in a one-sided book) and court transcripts and crafted a story from those materials. Their concern should not be to accurately account for all of the good and bad people that Zuckerberg, Saverin and company ran across during that time, or to rap these guys on the wrist regarding their views of women. Their only concern is telling the best, character-based story that they can.


I shudder to think of the criticism that will ensue should someone bring Neil Strauss' The Game to the screen. Because, from what I recall, the women in that book don't really get treated with a lot of respect, with the notable exception of Courtney Love...

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112. "so it's ok that sorkin can decide"
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what someone else's views on women are. because you give him the out that's not his views on women, so whose view is it. obviously, his imaginary version of real people.

because he's an old retarded fuck who doesn't understand the internet.

i don't think that's a good excuse.

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116. "If he created the story -- even if it's based on real people --"
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he can decide how to view and present these characters. It's really not that difficult to comprehend.

People are mad because he chose not to be all-inclusive or paint pretty pictures of the girls in this world, and they're also upset that he didn't pass judgment on the cats who viewed the women in this world in this way...

The only fidelity Aaron Sorkin has is to the story he wants to tell.

Also, he doesn't need an advanced degree in web design to tell this story. So saying that he's an "old fuck" who knows nothing about the Internet is pretty much irrelevant to this discussion.

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131. "yes, it is his decision."
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but his decision reflects more no him and his views than anyone else.

which is my point.

which you deliberately ignored because he's your god.

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132. "Actually, it doesn't reflect his views. You're stuck on Auteur Theory"
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and can't help but troll, as usual.

You'd have a better point if this movie were written by, say, Neil LaBute, who gladly puts his female issues all over the screen. But unfortunately for your thin-ass argument, Sorkin's proven that he can write strong female characters. He's done the research, he knows how these cats get down. Now, him writing about this world, and him agreeing with that these cats do in this world, are two entirely different things. Again, it's not that difficult a concept to grasp.

What you're trying -- and failing -- to do is paint Sorkin as "out of touch," because you're ass hurt that he's talking about "your world." Except he's really not.

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136. "there's nothing about the facebook movie movie that is my world"
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the fact is sorkin made shit up about people he doesn't know.

that is a fact.

the facts are the real events and people do not reflect what he wrote

that is a fact.

you are lying like shit to cover him

also a fact.

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137. "No."
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You played yourself when you typed that shit about Aaron Sorkin being an "old retarded fuck who doesn't understand the internet."

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140. "he's admitted to being an old retarded fuck who doesn't get the internet"
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so it's just another fact

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124. "this is true of a lot of things with the movie"
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>because he's an old retarded fuck who doesn't understand the
>internet.
>
>i don't think that's a good excuse.

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113. "this is the problematic aspect"
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>Their only concern is telling
>the best, character-based story that they can.



which according to the writer in Jezebel
(remember i haven't seen the movie so lalalalalala except if you can correct what she is saying about the female characters)

"Add women as sluts, stalkers, or ballbusters. With very few exceptions, girls don't even know how to properly play video games or get high off a bong, and they're gold-diggers or humiliating bitches, and they certainly never come up with anything of value on their own"

and these are the best female characters for a character based story they could come up with?

and you don't see anything problematic with that?


jeez i want to see this and i hope i'm not tempting a spoiler for this


but this picture is being painted pretty clearly and so far no one is refuting it not even sorkin. His response actually apologizes for it. I'm no longer sure the quotes for "misogynistic" applies in your subject line since he quite frankly admitted it and apologized for the depiction as well from what i'm gathering in his response.
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115. "I mean, yeah. I agree."
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I must admit that I was struck by Christy's portrayl the most. How women of color are portrayed is always of interest to me *shrugs*
Although, I thought that Zuck's ex set the tone about his asshole nature from jump. I like her the most.

*sidenote: Do you generally fuck w/ Jezebel's articles? I have a sorta loathsome view of that site because of the racefail that too many so-called feminists have over there?

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118. "i haven't seen the movie!"
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lalalalalala!


lol!


>*sidenote: Do you generally fuck w/ Jezebel's articles? I have
>a sorta loathsome view of that site because of the racefail
>that too many so-called feminists have over there?

not really yeah because of that
i tend to be on racialiscious more
i skip around sites alot

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117. "But it's not a story about girls "coming up with something of value on"
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their own." This isn't a heartwarming and exciting tale of everybody -- man, woman, black, white, Asian, Jew, and Gentile -- pitching in to create the great Facebook.

This notion is only problematic to those who were expecting/hoping/wishing/praying to be "represented" on the screen in regard to the formation of the site. Which, again, really isn't what the movie's about. And which is why these criticisms, while admirable, miss the mark.

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120. "why would it have to be though?"
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>their own." This isn't a heartwarming and exciting tale of
>everybody -- man, woman, black, white, Asian, Jew, and Gentile
>-- pitching in to create the great Facebook.
>
>This notion is only problematic to those who were
>expecting/hoping/wishing/praying to be "represented" on the
>screen in regard to the formation of the site. Which, again,
>really isn't what the movie's about. And which is why these
>criticisms, while admirable, miss the mark.


this sounds pretty all or nothing and quite familiar when people used to talk about having black characters on shows

this isnt about the formation of the site frankly in regards to those characters and their involvement for that matter leave out the women all together i haven't even seen to movie and i suspect this would affect it a great deal so you decide to include women and while it's understandable that the characters views of women leave alot to be desired that still doesn't absolve the writer when creating a work of fiction from preventing stereotypes

true or fictional it seems to be a lose/lose thing with what he did regarding depicting women in this movie

the jezebel writer addressed the truth aspect

and if you go with the fictional route which you did

it doesn't have to be an all inclusive "heartwarming" thing to round out characters a bit more and frankly avoid stereotypes

i think this is why folks are saying and sorkin himself is saying he missed the mark but mainly an opportunity on this movie to create better female characters not necessarily more admirable but maybe more rounded?


again i wouldn't know
haven't seen it
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121. "Without spoiling the movie"
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You simply cannot leave the women out. They're the impetus for everything, and I'm not just talking about the girl in the first scene. And even though they are the impetus for everything that happens, it's just not possible for them to be nuanced in the way that everyone wants them to be. Because the story's not about them.

And Sorkin actually *doesn't* admit to "missing the mark" at all. What he *does* do is explain about the very disturbing world he's writing about. And yes, I know he uses the world "apology" but that's more to agree with the writer that this world is disturbing to him. It's not used to acknowledge the point that, "Yeah, I shoulda put more nuanced women in the script."

In presenting this world in all of its ugly and misogynistic glory, it's not his job to balance things out -- to create another C.J. Cregg, as it were -- in order to satisfy others, like some wanted him to.


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128. "otay!"
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>And please go see the movie! lol...


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122. "Um, two of the lawyers are women. Which disproves this theory."
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Women are more than just sluts and idiots. They're at the table representing Mark, if I recall correctly.

Not to mention Erica, who comes across as a truly classy chick for the way she handles Mark's assholery and second approach.

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127. "ok"
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i'll have to watch the movie

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114. "That's where I'm going with it."
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He chose not to to give a big fuck about how he stereotyped Asian women or women in general. It's a movie, and he could have done better but he didn't, and it's okay to point that out to him. Critique is good (and in this case valid)!

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129. "this is a much better-worded version of my main critique of the film"
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i thought zuckerberg's motivations ("digital hate fuck") were way off the mark and were basically pulled out of thin air for dramatic license. and i'm all for dramatic license, but sorkin was so far off in certain areas that it messed with the tone of the story. he crammed a sex-drugs-and-rock-and-roll world onto a bunch of ivy league/silicon valley computer whiz kids, and it seemed forced. while girls in panties doing bong hits and giving blow jobs in bathroom stalls make for a much more exciting movie, tonally it just didn't fit the story of facebook or zuckerberg at all. they missed it.

i don't think sorkin's intent was to be misogynistic at all. i just think he took an exciting world he was familiar with (hollywood, celebrity, etc.) and tried to shoehorn that tone onto a world he admittedly was not as familiar with. these three paragraphs pretty much say it all:

>"But it's doing Zuckerberg himself a disservice to reduce his
>creativity and problem-solving to a sort of digital hate
>fuck.
>
>That world had its problems, but I never thought it was driven
>by simultaneous desire and contempt for women. The fictional
>Mark Zuckerberg starts Facemash, a site where girls can be
>cruelly judged on their looks, the only thing they're good
>for. In real life, Facemash was criticized by groups
>representing women of color, but it was also equal opportunity
>judgment: It had men and women on it, which you'd never know
>from the movie. The real life Sean Parker may be a womanizer,
>but unlike the character played by Justin Timberlake, he
>didn't find out about Facebook from a nubile co-ed in Stanford
>panties who was thrilled to find out she'd scored with a
>Silicon Valley celeb he found out about it from his
>roommate's girlfriend.
>
>It makes you wonder why the filmmakers tried so hard to create
>a world so hostile and diminishing to women, where aside
>from a small character for real-life Harvard grad Rashida
>Jones that seems to have been designed to preempt criticism
>the choices are being a stern bitch (like the ones in the
>administrative board hearings) or dropping your panties at the
>sight of power. I don't know from personal experience, but
>that sounds a lot more like Hollywood."

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110. "Brenda's character could have been given a tad of nuance, no?"
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She's suckin dick and then she's lightin shit on fire all crazy like, can we get a bit more of a transition there?

Ultimately, this is a very stylized fictional movie, so if he wanted to he could have given Brenda's character something more than Asian hyperslut obssessed arsonist. He chose not to and people are rightfully critiquing that choice.

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119. "But exactly who in this movie is nuanced? (SPOILERS cmon lfresh)"
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Zuckerberg's a nerd hacker with a hint of Asbergers and a permanent case of hurt alert

Saverin's a humorless and scorned pal

The Winklevi are entitled jocks

Sean Parker's an evil manipulator druggie

Rashida just sits in the hearing room, looking all cute (sorry, I had to add that)

Again, the women in this movie -- save Erica and the women in the hearings -- are, right or wrong, meant to be viewed as prizes. Those who are mad about that *are missing the point entirely*. In this world, where guys who aren't jocks believe they are still entitled to everything the jocks get, the women are the prize, the reason for being. They believe they're entitled to those spoils (as it were) because they have the wealth, the gear, the cribs, the cars... everything they believe evens the playing field with the jocks of the world. It's not about "but but but can't we just have just one girl who"-- NO! That's not the point of the story.

I suppose it would have been better (and less stereotypical) if Christy came up with a crucial mathematical equation or two and gave it to Zuckerberg in order to help out when he was writing code for the site, right?

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123. "RE: But exactly who in this movie is nuanced? (SPOILERS cmon lfresh)"
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>Zuckerberg's a nerd hacker with a hint of Asbergers and a
>permanent case of hurt alert

Yet, too many movie viewers saw him as an anti-hero & hated him because of his homosocial relationships with men.

>Saverin's a humorless and scorned pal
But he got head fromt the hot psycho Asian girl w/in like 10 minutes of knowing her! *awesome bros, activate high fives* <<<shit happened

>The Winklevi are entitled jocks

>Sean Parker's an evil manipulator druggie

>Rashida just sits in the hearing room, looking all cute
>(sorry, I had to add that)
>
>Again, the women in this movie -- save Erica and the women in
>the hearings -- are, right or wrong, meant to be viewed as
>prizes. Those who are mad about that *are missing the point
>entirely*. In this world, where guys who aren't jocks believe
>they are still entitled to everything the jocks get, the women
>are the prize, the reason for being. They believe they're
>entitled to those spoils (as it were) because they have the
>wealth, the gear, the cribs, the cars... everything they
>believe evens the playing field with the jocks of the world.
>It's not about "but but but can't we just have just one girl
>who"-- NO! That's not the point of the story.

Umm, nobody is saying this should be a feminist manifesto dude. He could have written Christy less stereotypically but he didn't, el fin. She's an Asian hyperslut lunatic and that shit does not move the plot along at all. I mean the fact that he didn't consider that this might be promoting a racist misogynist message (instead of subverting it) about what it means to be an Asian woman is side eye worthy at least LoL. And the fact that you seem to be dismissing legitimate feminist criticism of the movie is weird. I mean I liked quite a bit of this movie but it dropped the ball *espeically* with Christy.

>I suppose it would have been better (and less stereotypical)
>if Christy came up with a crucial mathematical equation or two
>and gave it to Zuckerberg in order to help out when he was
>writing code for the site, right?

Nah, actually that "all Asians are good at math/model minority" shit is a stereotype and not ok either. I suppose that was an attempt at humor though? Anyway, I stand behind the fact that he could have written her better and didn't.

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125. "Seems like your argument is "... but why she have to be Asian?""
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>>Zuckerberg's a nerd hacker with a hint of Asbergers and a
>>permanent case of hurt alert
>
>Yet, too many movie viewers saw him as an anti-hero & hated
>him because of his homosocial relationships with men.

And?


>>Saverin's a humorless and scorned pal
>But he got head fromt the hot psycho Asian girl w/in like 10
>minutes of knowing her! *awesome bros, activate high fives*
><<<shit happened

But I mean, it's useless to be jealous of the dude, dude. I mean, that's how that "snark" came across there. Just say you couldn't believe that these guys could get girls like that and be done with it.


>Umm, nobody is saying this should be a feminist manifesto
>dude.

I didn't say that everyone is saying that it should be a feminist manifesto. Dude. But people are projecting their hopes and fears onto what they're seeing on the screen, wanting to see "fair and balanced" representations of characters and races and genders that don't belong in the story being told.



>He could have written Christy less stereotypically but
>he didn't, el fin.

And had he wrote her to be like the "attempt at humor" that I used, then you'd be mad about that. The bottom line is that in the world of this movie, Christy was a groupie. In a different movie, Christy uses her brains and her beauty to help Mark Zuckerberg and those other zany hackers to create Facebook. Unfortunately for you, that movie has yet to be made.


>She's an Asian hyperslut lunatic and that
>shit does not move the plot along at all.

Oh, good Christ, man. lol


>I mean the fact that
>he didn't consider that this might be promoting a racist
>misogynist message (instead of subverting it) about what it
>means to be an Asian woman is side eye worthy at least LoL.

Look, man, like it or not, she serves a purpose in the film, and it's not to "represent" for all the hot, brainy Asian Ivy Leaguers out there. Sorry.

"These women--whether it's the girls who are happy to take their clothes off and dance for the boys or Eduardo's psycho-girlfriend are real. I mean REALLY real." -- Aaron Sorkin


>And the fact that you seem to be dismissing legitimate
>feminist criticism of the movie is weird.

Right, because bothering to understand the writer's stated intentions with the characters in the movie = dismissing the criticism, and/or cosigning the film's hatred of women, and/or expressing my own personal hatred of women, and/or Asians, and/or Facebook, or whatever the next argument will be.


>I mean I liked quite
>a bit of this movie but it dropped the ball *espeically* with
>Christy.

No, it didn't drop the ball, *especially* with any character.


>>I suppose it would have been better (and less stereotypical)
>>if Christy came up with a crucial mathematical equation or
>two
>>and gave it to Zuckerberg in order to help out when he was
>>writing code for the site, right?
>
>Nah, actually that "all Asians are good at math/model
>minority" shit is a stereotype and not ok either. I suppose
>that was an attempt at humor though?

...


>Anyway, I stand behind
>the fact that he could have written her better and didn't.

And I stand behind the *opinion* that he didn't have to write her better because of the *fact* that he said he knew who she was and what her purpose was in the film. And I'd feel that way if she were being played by Zoe Saldana or Heigl or America Ferrera or Keisha Knight Pulliam or Kyla Pratt or whomever else.

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126. "Christy's character would have been problematic if she were white too..."
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however, she was Asian.

This fact of her being Asian is significant to a feminist critique.
Yes, it's more problematic because when woc (in this case an Asian woman) are onscreen, gross sexualized stereotypes are usually found.
No, there is nothing wrong with pointing out this glaring problem in the film.

I'm not mad at all LoL. My main point is that the critique is a valid one. You can accept his explanation or not of said critique, but the critique is valid. Obviously, I think he is missing the point. You don't, and we disagree which is ok. I just find it a bit questionable to imply that the critique has no basis.

Oh, I was totally not snarking dude. The theater I saw it in was full of meathead white dudes and other non-white meathead dudes that hooted & hollered at the blatant misogynistic portions of the film.

Wait, are you insinuating that you can't write a role for a young Asian-American woman without being stereotypical?
I don't care much that she wasn't part of the programming world of facebook. I take issue with Christy being a batshit crazy hypersexed/submissive Asian caricature. Both of those scenes I mentioned were cheap and done to titilate (white) dudes.

I think it's possible to not make it the 'Christy Lee' show and not have her be so grossly stereotyped. He chose not to do this. He wrote it his way, and some people criticized him for it.

Ain't nobody calling you a woman hater or a _____ hater either, chill.

Intentions matter BUT that doesn't change the fact that a grip of folks took pause at the misogyny in the film, felt that it promoted stereotypes about (Asian) women instead of examining them, etc.

Interestingly, a few of my friends say that Sorkin's track record on writing women's roles isn't that great. Idk how true that is though.

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139. "are you going to stand by that statement?"
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I see you were embroiled in another argument, but you just completely undersold the film. In fact the whole beauty of this film was how 'nuanced' all the main characters were. They were all a mixture of good and bad decisions, they all had 'a point' to their side of the story instead of merely representing some larger phenomenon or singular type of motivation. I don't even usually go in for that 'nuanced' character development analysis bullshit, but in this case it's undeniable.

Of course there were some 2 dimensional minor characters. But as well as comic relief and sex appeal, the female characters were important on a deeper level - Mark and co. lost the respect of classy women early on, they thought if they got rich it wouldn't matter, but then found the only female attention they were attracting now was gold diggers and shallow party girls. It wasn't a massive part of the films message but it does tie in with the central theme of respect/friendship/honour vs. success.

>Zuckerberg's a nerd hacker with a hint of Asbergers and a
>permanent case of hurt alert
>
>Saverin's a humorless and scorned pal
>
>The Winklevi are entitled jocks
>
>Sean Parker's an evil manipulator druggie
>
>Rashida just sits in the hearing room, looking all cute
>(sorry, I had to add that)
>
>Again, the women in this movie -- save Erica and the women in
>the hearings -- are, right or wrong, meant to be viewed as
>prizes. Those who are mad about that *are missing the point
>entirely*. In this world, where guys who aren't jocks believe
>they are still entitled to everything the jocks get, the women
>are the prize, the reason for being. They believe they're
>entitled to those spoils (as it were) because they have the
>wealth, the gear, the cribs, the cars... everything they
>believe evens the playing field with the jocks of the world.
>It's not about "but but but can't we just have just one girl
>who"-- NO! That's not the point of the story.
>
>I suppose it would have been better (and less stereotypical)
>if Christy came up with a crucial mathematical equation or two
>and gave it to Zuckerberg in order to help out when he was
>writing code for the site, right?
>
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141. "Nevermind, fuck it"
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135. "Ultimately, this is Sorkin's vision, yes BUT"
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we already know he has issues with his women on film, as there was only one in FC.

I think it is fine for you to think, hey, this is Sorkin's vision, it doesn't have to be historically accurate, but to not recognize the validity in the critiques that his vision is filled with stereotypical women is wrong.

You don't have to agree with it but to completely disregard it is wrong.

  

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138. "Are you talking about Sorkin, or Fincher?"
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If you're going to bother telling me that I'm "wrong," at least get the filmmakers right.

I think you meant Fincher, but even in the case of Fight Club there's no responsibility of the filmmakers to make sure women, or black people, or fat people, whomever, are fairly represented. It's clearly ONE man's story, showing HIS view of the world. That doesn't necessarily mean that that's how Fincher, or Jim Uhls (the credited screenwriter) view women, they're just showing this particularly demented man's point of view without commenting on it. That doesn't make them wrong, nor does it make criticism about the "lack of non-stereotypical women's, or black people's, or fat peoples' roles" right.

The misogyny/stereotyping argument against The Social Network is being "dismissed" by me because, again, people are too busy catching fucking feelings and projecting their own hopes and desires to be "represented" in this particular world. It's telling that the person that Sorkin responded to ended her message by asking where the "C.J. Cragg" was in this film. What she and others are failing to realize is that there are no C.J. Craggs in this world, that they're not going to be represented in this world -- and it's not Sorkin's job to represent them, or shoehorn them in, because -- one more time with feeling -- THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING STORY HE'S TELLING. He's made that explicitly clear, and cats are still holding up imaginary picket signs and talking about "but but it's still a valid criticism" of the film.

He can't just be describing and dramatizing what he saw/read/talked to people about, in populating the script with women who are viewed BY THESE GUYS, ie, THE SUBJECTS OF THE STORY as objects, as prizes, he's supporting misogyny and stereotypes, especially since he refuses to pass moral judgment on the characters for how they view these women (and just as importantly, how the women view themselves). So that must mean that silence = support, right? This is what the people who are doling out this criticism seem to be saying, that because Sorkin didn't bother to insert one or two brainy, "complex," and possibly asexual women into the piece, or didn't have a character remark on how wrong it was for these nerds to view women this way, or even better still, punish the nerds for their views on women, then that means that Sorkin's supporting the guys' view by default.

As he's made clear, that's not the case.

And again, it's not like all of the women in the film are mindless trollops hoping to get chose by Harvard dickheads. This is the point that those who object like to briefly touch on then forget in the name of "legit criticism."

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147. "i co-sign all of this"
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I feel like a lot of people complaining about the portrayal of women in this move have little understanding of creating a story. You have male Harvard students focalized in the film and we're getting testimonials from them, so we're receiving the story through their eyes.

The first ten minutes of the film obviously emphasizes the relationship between men and women that will be prevalent throughout the entire story. And anyone that's been in a frat, been around that crowd or has been to a frat party knows how that relationship dynamic is very true, especially in present day. (not a frat member but i once had a roommate as one and that world is very sad and accurately portrayed in this film)

Yet, people tend to forget that Mark's first girl gives him a verbal lashing and asserts how wrong his actions (reflecting on the male populous in the movie) are wrong. Rashida is an intelligent lawyer, Eduardo has an intelligent female lawyer defending him. Plus, many of the regular college men in the film are portrayed as dumb, frat kids and one of the guys at the Bill Gates seminar didn't even know it was Bill Gates speaking.

I honestly didn't see any person in this story portrayed as a 100% good person, with no flaws, which made these character's great.

But besides that, this is ONE view at this world. The women in this story aren't the main focus, it's the men involved in creating Facebook and the lawsuit that followed. It was obvious from the trailer so expecting anyone else, not just women, but anyone else besides the main characters to be more than simple characters is asking too much. it's a movie, not a 10 part mini-series where each character can be expanded upon in microscopic detail.

  

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148. "lol"
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yall will go down with this muthafucka sorkin no matter what. whatever he writes, it must be how it was, even when the facts say it's entirely bullshit.


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150. "it's not about Sorkin. It's about creating a story in general"
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only certain characters will be focalized, so we see the movie through their view.

a movie only allows so much character development, especially when it's chronicling the development of the genesis of a world famous website, its creators, and the lawsuit that follows. like i said, a mini series could have spread the love as far as character development but this is a studio movie with roughly 2 hours to reveal all this.

Is it unfortunate that the only Asian person in the story was a schizo btich in love with a powerful man? of course, it is but i apparently Eduardo's real life girlfriend at that time was like that (according to Sorkin's claims). No one complains about the other girl who fucks Mark in the film. No one mentions how basically everyone in the film is a stereotype (passive aggressive nerd, arrogant jock, rock star entrepreneur).

No character is development much beyond their attachment to the case. We only get a glimpse of Mark's sympathetic side in the last five minutes. So why would people expect a brief, minor character to become a main focus on the film. It doesn't lend to the story at all, and that's why i say a lot of people don't realize the process/sacrifice of creating/adapting a story and making it appeal to a mass audience. THis film isn't about empowering.demeaning men or women, but showing how business, social network (real & online), and power can and will create jealously, greed and broken relationships.

  

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142. "lol..what the fuck are y'all arguing about? sounding all hurt?"
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i haven't clicked this post in a while and when i saw the count i thought it was more people chiming in to say how great it was. instead it's this misogyny or accuracy issue...lol...i watch movies where people who look like me kill people for fun...you don't see me getting riled up.

are you not entertained? (c)some other movie...lol

  

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143. "finally saw it and i really enjoyed the movie"
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144. "zuckerberg is a better movie reviewer than 90% of critics (video)"
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here's his response after seeing the social network (which i applaud him for doing; almost all execs/politicians take the "haven't seen it, never will" cop out). basically, his take was that the filmmakers were obsessive about minor details, like the clothes he wore, while missing wildly on his basic motivation for building facebook. like i said, great movie, but they missed the real story. it's a short clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfcWSZAHvM&feature=player_embedded

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145. "No! Sorkin just told the story the way it was! you're wrong!"
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the twins and the brazilian guy said itz waz all factzzzzzz

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152. "between your OG post & this clip, the movie's been tainted a bit for me"
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But that's because you're absolutely dead-on with this one, I didn't check this thread when I first saw the movie in theaters but just did after re-watching it on blu-ray with a friend of mine (who I read your reply in #65 too afterwards which sparked a good discussion).

I guess the 'Revenge of the Nerd/loner/impress-a-girl' aspect Sorkin/Fincher set the film up around they felt was integral to making this movie palatable to the masses but I now have to question whether a great film couldn't have been made that was a little more rooted in just the genesis of the idea & what it says about us.

Still a great flick but that's now going to nag at me a bit.

I'm sorta glad I didn't really know much about it going into the flick because I was able to evaluate it from just a pure film/story perspective (which I found highly entertaining) but I'd have to agree with Zuckerberg (or at least my interpretation of his comments in that clip) that perhaps the kind of artists that write/direct films (particularly ones twice his age) might have a hard time getting their heads around the concept that Zuckerberg's art is in 'building something' and it's sorta reductionist to pretend that the main motivation for doing so was out of some inability to relate to anyone or by some superficial concerns over being rejected by a girlfriend.

Those criticisms make sense to me, the feminist critiques later on in this thread not so much.

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146. "Here's a good mini-doc about Zuckerberg"
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http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63583008/

  

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149. "This is #1 for 2010 until further notice..."
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Absolutely brilliant... Every aspect. Even Timberlake.

  

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153. "gosh, i'm in the minority."
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i thought this movie was revolting and shallow.

if this is somehow a movie that speaks for the voice of a generation, jesus take the wheel.

there were too many smart-dumb people on screen for me to count. it was tragic, really. i can't think of a single character that i liked or empathized with. i felt as if somehow some of the characters had been failed, especially by harvard.

i found the dialogue to be tiresome and smug. ugh.

even when i give a wide allowance for "dramatizing," i still find it hard to accept that it's realistic that a number of harvard female students would rather perform sexual favors and dance half-naked for creepy geeks in lieu of keeping their clothes on long enough to realize that they're missing out on lucrative business deals and ideas that can change the world.

who?! who would want to date any of the guys that were portrayed in the movie? especially when harvard female students are just as (and i'm assuming, i suppose) priviledged and intelligent as their male counterparts? these are not women who need to hitch a gold-digging wagon to anyone's star.

they are capable of being the captains of their own ships.

i just wondered what the motivation was for the partying women of harvard? at least as portrayed in the movie?

often, during the movie i'd think: where are the parents of these kids??? where. is. the. parental. check. and. balance? where. is. the. parental. voice. of. reason? writing tuition checks, i guess.

lol i love that the "grownups" in the movie think they're smart, but we find out that they're not smarter than our dear friend mark zuckerberg and his new fangled idea.

it's all too much for me.

wow. i'm an old fogey.

  

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154. "RE: gosh, i'm in the minority."
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>i thought this movie was revolting and shallow.
>
>if this is somehow a movie that speaks for the voice of a
>generation, jesus take the wheel.
>
>there were too many smart-dumb people on screen for me to
>count. it was tragic, really. i can't think of a single
>character that i liked or empathized with. i felt as if
>somehow some of the characters had been failed, especially by
>harvard.
>
>i found the dialogue to be tiresome and smug. ugh.
>
>even when i give a wide allowance for "dramatizing," i still
>find it hard to accept that it's realistic that a number of
>harvard female students would rather perform sexual favors and
>dance half-naked for creepy geeks in lieu of keeping their
>clothes on long enough to realize that they're missing out on
>lucrative business deals and ideas that can change the world.
>
>
>who?! who would want to date any of the guys that were
>portrayed in the movie? especially when harvard female
>students are just as (and i'm assuming, i suppose) priviledged
>and intelligent as their male counterparts? these are not
>women who need to hitch a gold-digging wagon to anyone's star.
>
>
>they are capable of being the captains of their own ships.
>
>i just wondered what the motivation was for the partying women
>of harvard? at least as portrayed in the movie?
>
>often, during the movie i'd think: where are the parents of
>these kids??? where. is. the. parental. check. and. balance?
>where. is. the. parental. voice. of. reason? writing tuition
>checks, i guess.
>
>lol i love that the "grownups" in the movie think they're
>smart, but we find out that they're not smarter than our dear
>friend mark zuckerberg and his new fangled idea.
>
>it's all too much for me.
>
>wow. i'm an old fogey.

maybe your last line sums it up, lol. people party to party. i don't care how rich or poor you are or where you are from. that's what college age people do. and money and privilege won't necessarily keep a women from acting all trife. you gotta remember all those characters are like 20-24 years old.

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155. "um...this is *kind of* the whole point"
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>i thought this movie was revolting and shallow.
>
>if this is somehow a movie that speaks for the voice of a
>generation, jesus take the wheel.
>
>there were too many smart-dumb people on screen for me to
>count. it was tragic, really.


take a look at a few news headlines. we're not doing so good as a species right now. the world is stacked with assholes, charlatans and narcissists. the most valuable companies in the world are websites that allow you to search for porn and post 76 pictures of your dog in its Halloween costume.

the movie's a mirror. don't get mad at it cuz you don't like the reflection.

  

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156. ""... I'm saying this as someone who often writes about the world the "
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way I'd like it to be, and not the world the way it is... you know, The West Wing was wish-fulfillment, of a world the way I'd like it to be, and I've done that before. The Social Network isn't a wish-fulfillment movie, and... if all books, if all movies, if all plays, if all television shows were about the world the way we'd like it to be, and not the world the way it is, I think we'd be missing out on some good stories."

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158. "it's not a mirror of any motherfucking thing"
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except dumbasses who blame facebook for the fact that they just don't like their friends.

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160. "you're making mountains out of molehills. big time "
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>i thought this movie was revolting and shallow.

what was 'revolting' about it?

>if this is somehow a movie that speaks for the voice of a
>generation, jesus take the wheel.

who says it speaks for a generation? it's a story ABOUT the FORMATION of a medium that became the communication medium of a generation, but that's not saying the movie is the voicce of a generation.

>there were too many smart-dumb people on screen for me to
>count.

who, and how? who was 'smart-dumb'?

>it was tragic, really.

nobody portrayed it as anything but tragic; in this story, everyone lost something.

>i can't think of a single
>character that i liked or empathized with.

eduardo was a sympathetic character, but other than that, who was even SUPPOSED to be sympathetic? i don't think you got it, at all. these aren't sympathetic characters, and they weren't supposed to be.

>somehow some of the characters had been failed, especially by
>harvard.

such as.... failed how?

>i found the dialogue to be tiresome and smug. ugh.

yeah, he was supposed to be smug. that was the point.

>even when i give a wide allowance for "dramatizing," i still
>find it hard to accept that it's realistic that a number of
>harvard female students would rather perform sexual favors and
>dance half-naked for creepy geeks in lieu of keeping their
>clothes on long enough to realize that they're missing out on
>lucrative business deals and ideas that can change the world.

1. if you REALLY were giving wide allowance for dramatizing, you wouldn't be making an issue out of the 'realisim' at play within that dynamic.

2. where were the harvard females dancing half naked and performing sexual favors for the geeks? that was the harvard elite, not the geeks. mark didn't have suitors outside of the one groupie, eduardo had his grilfriend, but if you think that somehow a harvard education somehow prevents two women from being hangers-on, well, you're giving them entirely too much credit and THAT isn't a realistic assumption.

>who?! who would want to date any of the guys that were
>portrayed in the movie?

which guys were being dated outside of eduardo? who had girlfriends outside of him? mark had one instance of a groupie and that was that. teh other thing is, you're giving women WAY too much credit and scoffing at the idea that there are no success whores, women who latch onto someone with a whiff of accomplishment, and you're flat out WRONG because they exist in DROVES.

>students are just as (and i'm assuming, i suppose) priviledged
>and intelligent as their male counterparts? these are not
>women who need to hitch a gold-digging wagon to anyone's star.

again, WHERE were all the hangers on? there was, like, TWO, and one wound up a girlfriend. again, you're making wide assumptions and pretending that, in real life, there exists no well-educated women who are attracted to 'rock stars' (a term i use loosely here).

>they are capable of being the captains of their own ships.

sure they are, but you seem to insist that there are no women who are capable of handling things for themselves that latch on to success. you're just factually wrong.

>i just wondered what the motivation was for the partying women
>of harvard? at least as portrayed in the movie?

lol you've taken such a minor portion of the movie, in like, two scenes worth, and that's all you've talked about. the movie doesn't even spend a lot of time on this.

>often, during the movie i'd think: where are the parents of
>these kids??? where. is. the. parental. check. and. balance?
>where. is. the. parental. voice. of. reason? writing tuition
>checks, i guess.

it's college. where do you think the parents are in college? yes, writing tuition checks. it's college, not high school.

>lol i love that the "grownups" in the movie think they're
>smart, but we find out that they're not smarter than our dear
>friend mark zuckerberg and his new fangled idea.
>
>it's all too much for me.
>
>wow. i'm an old fogey.

you latched onto one VERY minor element and presented it as if it were the whole, and you're assesment even on that small part was WAY off base.

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157. "late to the party and glad i didn't hop in here before viewing"
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i dug the shit out of this movie and really appreciated eisenberg playing a character who wasn't weak-willed or nebbish. it was refreshing. good to know he has it in him with the right character.

a little disappointed the story was a bit looser with reality than what i had been led to believe.

and trent reznor needs his oscar. that should be an interesting speech.

now i need to move on to the other nominees.

  

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