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"Quantum of Solace"
Fri Nov-14-08 01:12 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

Is there ANY news about a new James Bond movie?

Casino Royale has been watched too many times now.

  

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RE: Is there ANY news about a new James Bond movie?
Nov 19th 2007
1
Thank you.
Nov 19th 2007
2
      It's definitely a working title
Nov 19th 2007
3
           True.
Nov 19th 2007
4
                another good one is...
Nov 20th 2007
5
                     yeah i heard they got the script in by the skin of their teeth.
Nov 20th 2007
6
                     Thank you. Next year is looking to be superb.
Nov 21st 2007
9
                          I gotta say that Valkyrie movie looks pretty good as well
Nov 21st 2007
11
                               Thanks. Jonz didn't know about this one.
Nov 21st 2007
14
fucking Marc Forster is directing
Nov 20th 2007
7
Why do you say that? Movie example?
Nov 21st 2007
8
I thought Stranger than Fiction was well directed...
Nov 21st 2007
10
      well quite a few players from the Bourne franchise
Nov 21st 2007
12
      I was gonna say, the 2nd Unit Director might be more important...
Jan 11th 2008
21
      So was Stay
Nov 21st 2007
13
      that would have been hard to fuck up
Nov 21st 2007
15
      Craig's performance alone makes this better than TND.
Nov 16th 2008
119
      Stranger Than Fiction was enormously overrated.
Nov 09th 2008
38
Olga Kurylenko is "Bond 22"'s female lead.
Jan 10th 2008
16
MY GRACIOUS!!!(c) Vern Lundquist
Jan 10th 2008
17
Gemma Arterton as well
Jan 10th 2008
18
i'm somewhat underwhelmed with her.
Jan 11th 2008
20
Putting the Bond in Bondage
Jan 10th 2008
19
wow! The skinny types don't usually do it for me, but damn!
Oct 21st 2008
31
The title? Quantum of Solace (swipe)
Jan 24th 2008
22
Thank you. Nice title. :( @ Nov. 7th.
Jan 24th 2008
23
^
Jan 24th 2008
24
Early footage available at rotten tomatoes
Feb 13th 2008
25
Anyone else excited & anticipating Quantum?
Oct 04th 2008
26
I sure am.....
Oct 05th 2008
27
Hecks yeah! (c) a 10-year-old me back in Long Island
Oct 19th 2008
29
Countdown
Oct 19th 2008
28
8 million in UK. Almost here in the U.S.
Nov 01st 2008
33
The not so good reviews come rolling in
Oct 20th 2008
30
so it's not a dumbass action movie with cliches and gimmicks
Oct 21st 2008
32
      I just saw the movie in Geneva, Switzerland! I thought it was great!
Nov 06th 2008
35
      ^^^ this is EXACTLY what it is
Nov 21st 2008
142
Zootown, can this be edited to be the official Quantum post?
Nov 03rd 2008
34
might as well.
Nov 06th 2008
36
has anyone seen this besides me?
Nov 09th 2008
37
It opens on the 14th in the States.
Nov 09th 2008
39
yeah, but i know a lot of folks on here live in other countries or...
Nov 12th 2008
44
I've seen it twice already.
Nov 09th 2008
40
yeah, i saw it on friday night
Nov 10th 2008
42
      i agree, craig is great! i also like that this is not typical.
Nov 12th 2008
45
Has anyone purchased the Collectors Edition Casino Royale?
Nov 09th 2008
41
got it on blu-ray
Nov 10th 2008
43
      Even with the extras, it's not worth repurchasing?
Nov 13th 2008
46
           i don't do double dipping, unless it improves the film transfer
Nov 14th 2008
51
i saw it, it's great
Nov 13th 2008
47
Just saw it. As a whole, definitely better than Casino Royale.
Nov 14th 2008
48
crazy talk.
Dec 01st 2008
159
Great Movie
Nov 14th 2008
49
Yeah, the opening car chase...
Nov 14th 2008
52
RE: Yeah, the opening car chase...
Nov 14th 2008
54
      Damn! Did you see it in Seattle?
Nov 14th 2008
55
           Yeah they had a screening last night for the grand reopening
Nov 14th 2008
59
man you guys won't like R.E.'s review then...
Nov 14th 2008
56
      Yeah, I disagree with everything he said except for one part.
Nov 14th 2008
57
           he showed his ignorance with that one.
Nov 17th 2008
127
I am so excited for this movie
Nov 14th 2008
50
Paul Hackis couldn't hack it but the movie succeeds despite him
Nov 14th 2008
53
the redid the cinerama?
Nov 14th 2008
64
      Just the seats & floors I think but it was worth it.
Nov 15th 2008
77
i'll try and go this weekend
Nov 14th 2008
58
It was cool as an action flick, not necessarily as a Bond flick
Nov 14th 2008
60
dope movie, but i knew fanboys would nitpick
Nov 14th 2008
63
If you have no other defense than "nitpicking fanboys," then don't
Nov 15th 2008
67
casino royale didn't have the traditional opening sequence AT ALL
Nov 16th 2008
103
      It was different but not an atypical opening IMO
Nov 16th 2008
107
i would consider myself a fan-boy, but i agree that the traditional...
Nov 16th 2008
96
Someone referred to this flick as Casino Royale Vol. 2...
Nov 15th 2008
74
i agree that this CR part 2
Nov 15th 2008
82
That's what it essentially is, a continuation of CR
Nov 16th 2008
94
then i hope they go back to
Nov 17th 2008
132
      Have you SEEN the guys that supermodels go out with?
Nov 19th 2008
137
           that's a lie
Nov 19th 2008
138
                Sorry, that's ridiculous
Nov 19th 2008
139
                     here lemme not hurt feelings
Nov 19th 2008
140
                          Maybe he's not for all women
Nov 23rd 2008
144
RE: It was cool as an action flick, not necessarily as a Bond flick
Nov 16th 2008
100
Good but not great (and I agree with Zoo)
Nov 14th 2008
61
@@@@.5 out of 5
Nov 14th 2008
62
RE: @@@@.5 out of 5
Nov 15th 2008
65
      I disagree with this line of thinking
Nov 15th 2008
70
           RE: I disagree with this line of thinking
Nov 16th 2008
104
                You keep crying "fanboy" but then you agree with the main argument.
Nov 16th 2008
109
                     because it's a dope movie, but many bond films are
Nov 16th 2008
114
                          And what fanboys have said they "hate" the film for those reasons
Nov 16th 2008
117
sloppy, lazy, incompetent pile of shit
Nov 15th 2008
66
Very very good
Nov 15th 2008
68
RE: Quantum of Solace
Nov 15th 2008
69
I had a very hard time following the movie
Nov 15th 2008
71
agreed. it was horribly constructed
Nov 16th 2008
108
going to see it in a few hours; this post has me scared though
Nov 15th 2008
72
*see it and think for yourself edit*
Nov 15th 2008
73
It's still a good action flick.
Nov 15th 2008
75
*smh* @ you still coppin pleas for Live Free or Die Hard
Nov 15th 2008
78
      Live Free or Die Hard was awesome
Nov 15th 2008
79
           I'm in awe that some people think so
Nov 15th 2008
81
           Cosign.
Nov 15th 2008
83
           Live Free Die Hard was a GREAT movie and anyone who thinks otherwise
Nov 15th 2008
86
           Thank you. Replies like this help me understand why u think its great
Nov 15th 2008
87
                well written, good pace,
Nov 15th 2008
88
           live free or die hard is excellent. the ending
Nov 15th 2008
92
just got back. GREAT movie. Really Really Good!
Nov 15th 2008
85
      With all due respect to your wife, she's missing the point
Nov 15th 2008
90
           its like what U2 said about Heltah Skeltah
Nov 15th 2008
91
           i agree. they are also going back to fleming's bond.
Nov 16th 2008
97
                that's why i like craig portaying bond right now.
Nov 16th 2008
98
                     exactly! the series wasn't always over the top. i think its all vital to...
Nov 16th 2008
115
                     i think people are mad at the stylistic decisions...
Nov 18th 2008
134
good, but its not close to being on par with Casino Royale
Nov 15th 2008
76
I didn't like how this movie was put together, I liked the trailers
Nov 15th 2008
80
First off, not as good as CR but good
Nov 15th 2008
84
I mean, I get the "Bond is bo(u)rn(e)!" argument, I just don't agree
Nov 15th 2008
89
They're done with the old Bond, yet made an old Bond movie
Nov 16th 2008
93
I'm somewhat agree with you
Nov 16th 2008
99
I'd love to see a Chris McQuarrie script
Nov 16th 2008
122
      Either him or the Nolans would be a great choice over Hackis
Nov 17th 2008
129
^ Also, the Vesper ish was a subplot. The real story was pretty muddled.
Nov 16th 2008
102
sooo your complaint is that it's too much like the roger moore bond
Nov 16th 2008
105
I guess if you wanna put it like that, sure
Nov 16th 2008
120
on haggis: he is a big reason the dialogue was so much better in casino....
Nov 16th 2008
111
      It's probably pretty obvious I had no idea Haggis did Casino Royale
Nov 16th 2008
121
           Me either. I wonder why his name is listed last in CR & 1st in QoS
Nov 17th 2008
130
                Haggis came in late in the game to clean up a lot of what was written...
Nov 18th 2008
135
                     Ah ok. Thanks.
Nov 18th 2008
136
I really enjoyed the movie.
Nov 16th 2008
95
Good Flick, No Casino Royale though
Nov 16th 2008
101
they're trying to make QUANTUM like SPECTRE
Nov 16th 2008
106
      not almost. they are. i think the only reason they are not using the nam...
Nov 16th 2008
113
           agreed
Nov 16th 2008
116
                RE: agreed
Nov 16th 2008
118
$70.4 opening weekend; biggest Bond opening ever (link)
Nov 16th 2008
110
cot-damn
Nov 16th 2008
112
Not that good, and I'm a bond fan.
Nov 16th 2008
123
def not as good as Casino Royale
Nov 16th 2008
124
The 'evil plan' was the most impotent plan I've ever seen...
Nov 17th 2008
125
RE: Quantum of Solace
Nov 17th 2008
126
horrible, completely horrible
Nov 17th 2008
128
dope = ridiculous action + good acting + picturesque + good pacing
Nov 17th 2008
131
le'cliffre is overrated, IMO
Nov 23rd 2008
148
they took all the fun out
Nov 17th 2008
133
*Starts the petition to have Monica Bellucci as the next Bond boo*
Nov 21st 2008
141
Just got back from it not too long ago
Nov 22nd 2008
143
RE: Just got back from it not too long ago
Nov 23rd 2008
146
This worked for me as a Bond film
Nov 23rd 2008
145
this is how I looked at it
Nov 23rd 2008
149
Cmon. Pierce better.
Dec 01st 2008
157
on point...
Dec 01st 2008
162
Was there a crotch shot right before the Genral got blasted?
Nov 23rd 2008
147
i believe so
Nov 23rd 2008
150
I do believe it was some pussy on screen
Dec 01st 2008
152
looked like nothing but pantyhose to me.
Dec 01st 2008
156
      ^^^
Dec 01st 2008
160
dope.
Dec 01st 2008
151
would've been nice to see the action. that transporter camera switching
Dec 01st 2008
153
it was aight
Dec 01st 2008
154
when dude ordered a cerveza and there was like a 20 second gap of silenc...
Dec 01st 2008
155
I liked it
Dec 01st 2008
158
casino royale set the bar way too damn high...
Dec 01st 2008
161
That was a sad flashback to the Brosnan years
Dec 02nd 2008
163
cosign a lot of this post
May 17th 2009
164

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1. "RE: Is there ANY news about a new James Bond movie?"
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Not much news, but I found this bit from www.411mania.com/movies/news/

French actor Mathieu Amalric (Munich) has apparently been cast as the villain in Bond 22. FOXNews.com reports that an official announcement will be made soon.

While plot details remain under wraps, Casino Royale actress Eva Green previously hinted that the villain of the next James Bond movie would be the boyfriend of her character Vesper Lynd.

  

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2. "Thank you."
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I didn't know it was actually going to be titled Bond 22, or this could be a working title.

Found a little more info, Thank you:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0830515/

http://movies.ign.com/objects/826/826378.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_22

  

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3. "It's definitely a working title"
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I'll go double or nothing on my student loans that it won't be called Bond 22. Call it a hunch.

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4. "True."
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Great Bond website here: http://www.mi6.co.uk/mi6.php3

  

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5. "another good one is..."
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http://commanderbond.net/

the movie is still slated for november 2008. sony mentioned that the writer's strike isn't expected to delay bond 22.

i believe the casting process has already begun for the bond ladies as well.

oh and judy dench is said to be headed for panama to begin filming for the role of "m".
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6. "yeah i heard they got the script in by the skin of their teeth."
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9. "Thank you. Next year is looking to be superb."
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Bond 22
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11. "I gotta say that Valkyrie movie looks pretty good as well"
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14. "Thanks. Jonz didn't know about this one."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_(film)

  

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7. "fucking Marc Forster is directing"
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stick a fork in it. It's a lost cause.

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8. "Why do you say that? Movie example?"
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10. "I thought Stranger than Fiction was well directed..."
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Although nothing he has directed shows he can do action.

  

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12. "well quite a few players from the Bourne franchise"
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are on board the 2nd unit team. I'm actually more concerned with the more dramatic aspects of the film. The overall plot, tone and villain are most likely what will determine how good this is. Action is rarely a problem for Bond. Almost everyone involved has worked on multiple Bond films.
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21. "I was gonna say, the 2nd Unit Director might be more important..."
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...in some ways.




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13. "So was Stay"
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15. "that would have been hard to fuck up"
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and it's pretty forgettable. It could have been far, far funnier and livelier too. He's a dull by the numbers director with little imagination who has produced nothing but overly safe stale work since he broke out with the laughable Monsters Ball.

Bond 22 will probably be as memorable as Tomorrow Never Dies unless some X factor saves it.

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119. "Craig's performance alone makes this better than TND."
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Brosnan was far too PC in most of his films Bond and rarely very menacing. Craig manages to deliver almost everything with an appropriate lever of conviction, sarcasm, innuendo, or menace.

Dude plays the role like he could choke the life out of you with his bare hands.
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38. "Stranger Than Fiction was enormously overrated."
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And I'm speaking as a big fan of Will Ferrell, Emma Thompson, Dustin Hoffman, Marc Forster, and those meta-flicks in general.

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16. "Olga Kurylenko is "Bond 22"'s female lead."
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Pics

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http://commanderbond.net/article/4770

According to trade paper Variety, Ukranian actress Olga Kurylenko has been cast as the female lead girl in the newest James Bond film, the still untitled Bond 22. According to the official press release, Kurylenko will be playing the role of Camille, who ‘challenges Bond and helps him come to terms with the emotional consequences of Vesper’s betrayal.’

Kurylenko, born in 1979 in Berdyansk, former USSR, recently co-starred in Hitman and with Elijah Wood in a segment for Paris, je t’aime. She began her film career in France in 2005. She received the certificate of excellence award at the 2006 Brooklyn International Film Festival for her performance in L’Annulaire.

So far, it has been reported that Eon Productions was looking for a Latino-style Bond girl. It is not known whether these plans were rejected or whether Kurylenko is going to play a South American character.

  

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17. "MY GRACIOUS!!!(c) Vern Lundquist"
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The pics on the rotten tomatoes site I saw yesterday were NOT doin her justice.

  

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18. "Gemma Arterton as well"
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http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169700,00.html

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20. "i'm somewhat underwhelmed with her."
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based on the images i've seen of her.
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19. "Putting the Bond in Bondage"
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=506572&in_page_id=1773

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31. "wow! The skinny types don't usually do it for me, but damn!"
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She's looking good.

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22. "The title? Quantum of Solace (swipe)"
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Somehow, Haggis will be blamed for this.

>New Bond Film Titled 'Quantum of Solace'
Jan. 24, 2008, 9:47 AM EST

The Associated Press

IVER HEATH, England (AP) -- "Quantum of Solace" is the title of the new James Bond film, the 22nd Bond adventure.

The title was revealed to reporters Thursday at Pinewood Studios outside of London, where the movie is being filmed.

Producer Michael G. Wilson said the title, chosen only a few days ago, was taken from a story by Bond creator Ian Fleming that appears in the collection "For Your Eyes Only."

"We thought it was an intriguing title and referenced what happened to Bond and what is happening in the film," he said.

Daniel Craig is returning as Agent 007. He picks up where 2006's "Casino Royale" left off, with Bond contemplating revenge after his betrayal by his true love, Vesper Lynd.

"It is not a revenge movie," said co-producer Barbara Broccoli. "It's a lot more complicated than that. It has lots of action but it also deals with the inner turmoil Bond is feeling."

Filming began at Pinewood Studios earlier this month. Location shooting is planned in Austria, Italy and Panama. Judi Dench returns as the MI-6 boss M and Mathieu Amalric ("The Diving Bell and the Butterfly") plays the villain. Additions to the cast include Ukrainian actress Olga Kurylenko as mysterious Bond girl Camille.

"Quantum of Solace" is set to open in Britain and the United States on Nov. 7.
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23. "Thank you. Nice title. :( @ Nov. 7th."
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Well, at least jonz'll be happy waiting in the spring (Iron Man) and summer (Dark Knight)

  

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24. "^"
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25. "Early footage available at rotten tomatoes"
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Wasn't sure which thread to post this on Zoo so I did it on both. Feel free to lock 1 of em tho. Not that you needed my 'mission of course.

  

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26. "Anyone else excited & anticipating Quantum?"
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27. "I sure am....."
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....after seeing the trailer and getting a good feeling from it, I can surely say that I can't wait to catch it. Casino Royale and now Quantum are the first time I've anticipated a Bond film in a long time. Before these two, I haven't had the urge to peep a Bond flick since the 80's.


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29. "Hecks yeah! (c) a 10-year-old me back in Long Island"
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28. "Countdown"
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33. "8 million in UK. Almost here in the U.S."
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30. "The not so good reviews come rolling in"
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http://defamer.com/5066132/james-bond-curse-extends-to-early-quantum-of-solace-reviews

Marc Forster's final a-list project? I hope so.

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32. "so it's not a dumbass action movie with cliches and gimmicks"
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sounds good.

  

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35. "I just saw the movie in Geneva, Switzerland! I thought it was great!"
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First, Quantum of Solace is NOT the typical Bond movie. For better or worse, Marc Forster has made his mark on the franchise. I see Quantum of Solace as bringing the story of Casino Royale full circle (as evidenced by what you will see at the very end). If Casino Royale was Bond's version of Batman Begins, Quantum of Solace is the Dark Knight. Bond is a bit more experienced, but is still making mistakes and has to understand the consequences of his actions before he becomes the nearly perfect 007. I say this in the sense that things get worse for the character of Bond before they get better. Craig's Bond is not the suave Sean Connery. But there are touches of that Bond in QoS and I believe the film moves closer to the Bond that everyone seems to be so familiar with (or at least by the end). Remember, this Bond is fresh out of the military and a newly appointed agent with 00 Status.

I do believe a few things could have been done differently in Quantum of Solace, but I really enjoyed the film. I found myself on the edge of my seat at several moments (at one point, I had to remind myself to breathe.) As Daniel Craig stated in an interview...if the sequences look painful, they sure as fuck were. The movie moves at rapid pace, and may be a bit difficult for some to follow at times due to Dan Bradley's 2nd unit direction (Bourne haters beware). You really have to pay attention.

Judi Dench, Giancarlo Giannini, Jeffrey Wright, and Mathieu Amalric were spot on. Everyone got a bit more shine than usual, and Mathieu Amalric was a very creepy villain without being way over the top.

I really don't want to post any real spoilers unless asked, but I will tell you that you will not see Q, MoneyPenny, gadgets, or any ridiculous jokes. For those that pay attention, you will notice a few clever nods to past films and overall Bond tradition. On the other hand, we do get a darker sense of humor, an arrogance that consistently pisses off the villain, fantastic exotic locales, Felix Leiter, and a Bond that uses everything at his disposal to get the job done (contrary to belief, Sean Connery's Bond did this long before Matt Damon had done this in the Bourne series).

As I said before...this is not your typical Bond movie, but I would argue that it is STILL Bond. Many critics have called it a great action movie, just not a great Bond film. They fail to see that there is actually more to the franchise than just jokes, and gadgets. The franchise has changed throughout its history. A nearly 50 year old franchise needs to mix things up from time to time if its going to survive.
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142. "^^^ this is EXACTLY what it is"
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34. "Zootown, can this be edited to be the official Quantum post?"
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36. "might as well."
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37. "has anyone seen this besides me?"
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39. "It opens on the 14th in the States."
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44. "yeah, but i know a lot of folks on here live in other countries or..."
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40. "I've seen it twice already."
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Review coming on Monday!

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42. "yeah, i saw it on friday night"
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it was enjoyable enough

daniel craig is a great fucking bond

some of the technology was a bit OTT

my friends didn't like it quite as much as casino royale

*shrug*

i liked it.

  

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45. "i agree, craig is great! i also like that this is not typical."
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i doubt it will leave anyone indifferent.
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41. "Has anyone purchased the Collectors Edition Casino Royale?"
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43. "got it on blu-ray"
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unless you're a *really* big fan of the movie, i'd say it's not worth repurchasing if you already have the first version

if you don't own it all, it's a no-brainer

  

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46. "Even with the extras, it's not worth repurchasing?"
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51. "i don't do double dipping, unless it improves the film transfer"
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so my opinion is moot on the bonus features

  

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47. "i saw it, it's great"
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i'd recommend watching casino royale immediately before going though. it would help

  

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48. "Just saw it. As a whole, definitely better than Casino Royale."
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Might have less character analysis, but it's a swift 2 hours of action, Craig and Dench have great chemistry, the new girl is appropriately hot, Diving Bell and the Butterfly is a very creepy villain, and it's full of one-liners, awesome stunts, and everything I want in a Bond movie.

This transformation into "Bond is a blunt object" works very well imo. No sequence tops the opening scene in Casino Royale, but many rival it, and the action is non-stop.

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159. "crazy talk."
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49. "Great Movie"
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Very brisk pace. Geoffrey Wright needs more screentime, but the way he played it was perfect, understated as hell. Daniel Craig took it to another level. Judi Dench is the best M. Action, action, action. Outside of the shaky camera stuff, this was top notch.

  

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52. "Yeah, the opening car chase..."
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...was too shaky cam for me. I couldn't tell what the fuck was happening, which was a shame, cuz there appeared to be some cool explosions and stunts going on. Aside from that first sequence though, the rest of the action was steady enough for me to dig it.

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54. "RE: Yeah, the opening car chase..."
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>...was too shaky cam for me. I couldn't tell what the fuck
>was happening, which was a shame, cuz there appeared to be
>some cool explosions and stunts going on. Aside from that
>first sequence though, the rest of the action was steady
>enough for me to dig it.

I thought I was just sitting too close to the screen but I heard other people complaining about that as well. They had a bunch of those Aston Martins out in the parking lot at the screening I attended last night & those cars are pretty sick. They even revved one up & told us it could push about 185 but wouldn't let me take the wheel to try it.

  

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55. "Damn! Did you see it in Seattle?"
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I'll be mad if they were in the Cinerama lot and I missed it.

  

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59. "Yeah they had a screening last night for the grand reopening"
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>I'll be mad if they were in the Cinerama lot and I missed
>it.

They might still be there tonight since this is the official opening.

  

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56. "man you guys won't like R.E.'s review then..."
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he's on some shit like "bond films should be bond films, not bourne films; leave those for bourne."

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57. "Yeah, I disagree with everything he said except for one part."
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The "he's taking over water in Bolivia! Oooooooh! Noooooo!" part. I LOLed hard.

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127. "he showed his ignorance with that one."
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its a pretty big deal all over the world and theres a lot of money in it so i thought it was a nice unexpected twist they threw in there.
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50. "I am so excited for this movie"
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I just watched Casino Royale last night and I already have my QOS tickets for the 9:15 showing tonight!

  

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53. "Paul Hackis couldn't hack it but the movie succeeds despite him"
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To all my Seattle okp's, since IMAX didn't pick this up, this is a must see at the newly refurbished Cinerama. Brand new seats & floors. Comfy as fuck.

Great opening scene. Daniel Craig is a relentless bad ass Bond & I hope he keeps the role for a very long time. Mathieu Amalric is understated as the villain but does a great job just the same. His eyes & voice are creepy enough alone.

I thought they did a decent job combining the Casino Royale elements and also trying to make Quantam of Solace stand as a story of its own as well but the script still wasn't as tight as it could've been imo. The Bond & Batman reboots are following similar paths in that matter & several others. I'm interested to see the original/alternate ending once the DVD is released tho. I'm also interested to see whether or not the next director decides to follow up on the ending we didn't get to see & decides to make this a trilogy. For those who don't know what I'm talking about it's discussed here & obviously could be considered a spoiler:

http://theentertainmenthotline.net/2008/10/27/quantum-of-solace-dvd-deleted-scene-details-revealed/

Overall tho, great action sequences by land, air & sea. Still felt like a Bond movie to me despite the lack of catchpharses & gadgets. The new catchphrase that's better left unsaid is "Ass, Bad ass"

  

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64. "the redid the cinerama?"
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oh shit i'm there. i haven't been there for a while because imax was getting a lot of good movies.

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77. "Just the seats & floors I think but it was worth it."
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>oh shit i'm there. i haven't been there for a while because
>imax was getting a lot of good movies.

Yeah I never saw The Dark Knight there even tho I meant to but IMAX more than made up for it.

  

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58. "i'll try and go this weekend"
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60. "It was cool as an action flick, not necessarily as a Bond flick"
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I have yet to read Ebert's review, but I imagine I share the same sentiments regarding Bond movies vs. Bourne movies

I like Daniel Craig a lot as Bond, and hopefully the next time out there will be more fun to be had besides the witty mother-son exchanges between he and Dame Judi Dench...

"No Homo" or whatever, but it would be nice to see this dude, who's so hot with the wimmins in real life (if I hear one more woman talk about how Daniel Craig "could get it," I'm going to shoot myself), get a little more action on screen than kissing a woman's back (I'm talking this movie only, I don't care about "but but but he boned Vesper at the 1 hour, 6 minute mark of Casino Royale")

The ladies were suitably hot, and I liked the fact that Bond didn't judge ol' girl for how she got down

That opening was confusing and only made me think of the car chase at the end of Bourne Supremacy

I suppose that we should be grateful that we don't have another 2.5 hour Bond epic to have to sit through, but this one still felt really short at 1:45, including the opening titles

(btw, the Jack White/Alicia Keys song isn't bad, per se, but it could use more bottom, more bass of some sort)

ALSO DON'T SAVE THE FUCKING TRADITIONAL OPENING FOR THE END

See, ^'s the kind of shit I'm talking about when I express dismay at this "gritty new Bond direction." They're too busy stripping away the BOND trappings in order to stay "relevant"... "hey, let's just JUMP RIGHT INTO the action, fuck Daniel Craig shooting at us in a tux"... "see, y'all, it's not the Same Old Bond!"... "but then we'll go and put in a PRETTY BLATANT Goldfinger homage."

Cmon, EON Productions, you can't have it both ways. Either go whole hog with this Stone Cold James Bond, a cat who can whoop ass and kill at will like Ice Cube, drink drinks with lemon twists (?), has verbal jousts with his mum-esque boss, and only bangs out one woman per movie, or just forget it... we don't need the "nods" to previous Bond films just to satisfy the "old heads"...

All that said, I still enjoyed myself, lol...
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63. "dope movie, but i knew fanboys would nitpick"
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i saw the movie as whut it meant to be, an evolution to the james bond we traditionally love....hence the traditional opening at the every end.

i mean, it wouldn't make sense to jump off to the bond we know as the aftermath of casino royale...

  

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bother.

Is it at all possible to understand "whut it was meant to be," and still discuss your issues with it?
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103. "casino royale didn't have the traditional opening sequence AT ALL"
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so why are you complaining about this? the way CR started was atypical for any BOND FILM...but we all understood that it was about HOW he got 00-status

this film is a continuation of the last film and the evolution of how the bond we know today. you cannot come in thinking this character is back to his old self after whut happened to vesper and this movie deals with how he moved on and learned from that experience. the end symbolizes that.

  

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107. "It was different but not an atypical opening IMO"
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It's not as over-the-top as some of the Bond openings but it's still a edge-of-your-seat action scene that no mere mortal could ever really pull off. I thought that was a great way to introduce the 21st century Bond.

QOS's opening scene was just bad. It was a random car chase that was poorly edited and was basically on par with your typical action movie car chase. On top of that, Bond didn't really save himself as much as he was saved by some of the worst machine gun work the cinema has seen since the Rambo movies.

That's basically the difference between the two movies: Casino Royale was 21st century Bond, Quantum of Solace was a slightly above-average action film with a couple of Bond-ish moments thrown in.

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96. "i would consider myself a fan-boy, but i agree that the traditional..."
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opening was better suited at the end for this movie. these last two movies are attempting to show bond's evolution.

bond is being depicted as the blunt instrument. he's got to learn from his mistakes. all of the times m lectured him for killing people too soon and not seeing the big picture lends to that idea. we see bond's progression at the end.

hopefully, the follow-up includes the traditional opening with the stand-alone mini-mission.
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74. "Someone referred to this flick as Casino Royale Vol. 2..."
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...the way Kill Bill Vol. 2 was a continuation. I think they'll go back to him bangin chicks in the next flick, they were just finishing the loose ends left from the first flick. When I think of it in that regard, it bothers me less that he wasn't smashin chicks left and right here.

And regarding the length, I DEFINITELY think we should be grateful it wasn't another 2h30 epic, lol.


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82. "i agree that this CR part 2"
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it think the Bond we'll see in the next film will be more of what we're used to seeing because he's developed in this two films into the suave Bond we know.

He's done with all the trivial shit, revenge killings and is starting to become the professional spy, saying "lets get at these hoes" dude we know.

SPOILERS
Him not killing Dominic (directly at least) or Vesper's ex was him changing drastically and moving on from the childish shit he's been doing. That why M was so much like a mom these last two movies but I doubt it'll be such a mother-son relationship next time around

  

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94. "That's what it essentially is, a continuation of CR"
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132. "then i hope they go back to"
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>I think
>they'll go back to him bangin chicks in the next flick,

a better looking bond

or it's just not believable

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137. "Have you SEEN the guys that supermodels go out with?"
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better yet, seen some of the baddest chicks with those broke-ass rougeish cats with confidence?

I'm not saying he's good or bad looking

I'm just saying ALL the women are loving this new Bond

  

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138. "that's a lie"
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>I'm just saying ALL the women are loving this new Bond



i shall denounce your falsehood for all womanhood
for #1 i am a woman
i ain't lovin dude
he aiight
#2 most women i know ain't lovin him
again he aiight

good thing the body is kinda tight cause the face is a no go


and yes i have seen the dude supermodels go out with
it's a varied type depending on the woman

and this STILL give no excuse for this choppy faced dude
taking the ONE ROLE IN HOLLYWOOD SET EXCLUSIVELY FOR HANDSOME DUDES


odl dudes can take all the other roles
the bond role was built on the characters looks
period


now run along

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139. "Sorry, that's ridiculous"
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Mebbe you and your clan aren't into him. Fine, diff'rent strokes.

But women in general are going bananas over Daniel Craig. I can't believe you're disputing this on the grounds that you have a vagina.

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140. "here lemme not hurt feelings"
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i can see how ya'll are living vicariously through
a really not cute, nor handsome dude getting chicks in a flick
ya'll go feel good now
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144. "Maybe he's not for all women"
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But many women (my wife, her friends, my sisters, their friends, many of my female co-workers) think he's hot. I've heard them say as much multiple times.

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100. "RE: It was cool as an action flick, not necessarily as a Bond flick"
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>The ladies were suitably hot, and I liked the fact that Bond
>didn't judge ol' girl for how she got down

yeah, especially since bond uses the same tactics. he will seduce women for information, or as a way of turning their loyaltie.
>
>ALSO DON'T SAVE THE FUCKING TRADITIONAL OPENING FOR THE END
>
>See, ^'s the kind of shit I'm talking about when I express
>dismay at this "gritty new Bond direction." They're too busy
>stripping away the BOND trappings in order to stay
>"relevant"... "hey, let's just JUMP RIGHT INTO the action,
>fuck Daniel Craig shooting at us in a tux"... "see, y'all,
>it's not the Same Old Bond!"... "but then we'll go and put in
>a PRETTY BLATANT Goldfinger homage."

see, i don't think eon has any intention of completely doing away with the old. they just want to give themselves a little room to maneuver. the constant flirting with moneypenny and briefings by q are stifling. they can still bring it back, but people should not expect that with every movie. austin powers really fucked them because so much of the traditional bond movies have been ripped to shit. for a franchise that is nearly 50 years old, they need to mix it up. that being said, i liked the reference to the spy who loved me where bond and camille were walking through the desert. also they made a reference to roger moore with the universal exports card by showing the name r. sterling. i dug those references better than the goldfinger homage.
>
>Cmon, EON Productions, you can't have it both ways. Either go
>whole hog with this Stone Cold James Bond, a cat who can whoop
>ass and kill at will like Ice Cube, drink drinks with lemon
>twists (?),

this was a drink that bond created in the novel of casino royale. maybe you already knew that though.

>has verbal jousts with his mum-esque boss, and
>only bangs out one woman per movie, or just forget it... we
>don't need the "nods" to previous Bond films just to satisfy
>the "old heads"...
>
>All that said, I still enjoyed myself, lol...
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61. "Good but not great (and I agree with Zoo)"
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It felt more like a Bourne movie than a Bond movie. Honestly, halfway through I was thinking "This is what Hitman should have been."

I wasn't a huge fan of the editing of the action scenes (especially the opening car chase) but that might just be me getting old and not keeping up with the shift in style.

Also, I think the Bond producers might have shot themselves in the foot by making the opening chase scene in Casino Royale too difficult to top.

The song could be good but Jack White and Alicia just do not go together.

The one problem with the plot was that they spent so long trying to figure out what was going on that there really wasn't ever any threat. It was just James Bond chasing random people all over the place for reasons that he wasn't aware of. I guess there was the Vesper angle but that didn't really resonate at all with me. I kind of which he was going for revenge and then stumbled upon something that was bigger than him; something he needed to focus on in order to help people or the UK.

I liked the nod to Goldfinger.

The ending was kind of anti-climatic which is why they probably put the traditional opening at the very end to give it one last crowd pleasing moment at the close.

All in all, a solid movie, fairly forgettable.

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62. "@@@@.5 out of 5"
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jonz liked the subtle opening of Casino compared to Quantum. Agreed with Zootown, you don't put the traditional Bond scope opening at the end, and the song did need some oomph and a real singer, too bad a healthy Amy Winehouse couldn't have done it.

It tied up the Vesper plotline nicely, yet, it still leaves that organization out there with its villans, although MI6 knows who it is now.

Good action scenes.

jonz loved the technology (phone-computer systems) and the fashion!(Bond's topcoats, the cut of Craig's suits).

lol @ the hotel upgrade. Nice direction of the opera scene as well.

Leiter was well played by Wright.

:'( @ the death of ... And his suntanning lady was hot!

We could have done without the location subtitles. Were there ever previous Bond films where they showed us the names of locations? jonz just appreciated the exotic and vast places Bond traveled.

The 'Bourne'-like touches were not THAT bad, ijo, but they're there.

Side-post: The new Star Trek got jonz' Trekkie hopes up a little bit, yet, hopes one doesn't come away J.J. Abrams-disappointed.

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65. "RE: @@@@.5 out of 5"
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>jonz liked the subtle opening of Casino compared to Quantum.
>Agreed with Zootown, you don't put the traditional Bond scope
>opening at the end, and the song did need some oomph and a
>real singer, too bad a healthy Amy Winehouse couldn't have
>done it.
>

the opening car chase was okay, too camera shaky, i don't think ANYONE can top the opening footchase scene of royale, but this one was pretty good, IMO

i didn't care for the song AT ALL...big letdown...however as i mentioned on an earlier post, i sorta understood WHY they had the traditional opening at the ending, because it was symbolic to the evolution to the bond we traditionally know is complete....this movie was about his transformation to who he will become

>It tied up the Vesper plotline nicely, yet, it still leaves
>that organization out there with its villans, although MI6
>knows who it is now.
>

the plot was sorta TOO basic, but i cannot complain who they resolved the vesper situation. as for leaving an opening for the organization...i think that was intentional, just like in the classic bond films with SPECTRE still out there...it leaves openings for a shitload of new adventures up ahead

>Good action scenes.
>

i LOVED all the action scenes except the opening car chase...

>jonz loved the technology (phone-computer systems) and the
>fashion!(Bond's topcoats, the cut of Craig's suits).
>

i have to say, who NEEDS Q????

>lol @ the hotel upgrade. Nice direction of the opera scene as
>well.
>

i personally think the opera action scene is my fav...

>Leiter was well played by Wright.
>

agreed

>:'( @ the death of ... And his suntanning lady was hot!
>
>We could have done without the location subtitles. Were there
>ever previous Bond films where they showed us the names of
>locations? jonz just appreciated the exotic and vast places
>Bond traveled.
>

agreed, i felt they were cheesey as well

>The 'Bourne'-like touches were not THAT bad, ijo, but they're
>there.
>

i think the bourne series kinda changed the game a bit and the biggest gripe from most people about casino royale was that it moved too slow hence why the time for this one is significantly shorter and it being more action packed...the bourne effect made alot of the old bond films truely "dated" and it's hard to continue that style anymore...to it's credit, they didn't make it IDENTICAL to bourne and it had some type of flair you'll see in a bond flick...but the heighten realism of gritty action is very influenced

>Side-post: The new Star Trek got jonz' Trekkie hopes up a
>little bit, yet, hopes one doesn't come away J.J.
>Abrams-disappointed.
>
>Also, Thank you for the anchor post, moderators.
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70. "I disagree with this line of thinking"
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>i think the bourne series kinda changed the game a bit and the
>biggest gripe from most people about casino royale was that it
>moved too slow hence why the time for this one is
>significantly shorter and it being more action packed...the
>bourne effect made alot of the old bond films truely "dated"
>and it's hard to continue that style anymore...to it's credit,
>they didn't make it IDENTICAL to bourne and it had some type
>of flair you'll see in a bond flick...but the heighten realism
>of gritty action is very influenced

1. Bourne didn't change the game. There's still room for some crazy action scenes that push the boundaries of reason. Look at Live Free or Die Hard. It's a fine line to walk (and Die Hard definitely went overboard) but I think the film would have been better off with some crazy action over the more "realistic" stuff like the car chase or boat scene.

2. The problem with Casino Royale wasn't the running time. It was the fact that it started with one of the best action scenes of the decade and 2 hours later became about a poker game. It's like starting a movie with the opening of X2 and then cutting to Rounders. Not that Rounders isn't good but when you are expecting action and/or adventure, you want to see life or death stakes, not James Bond trying to figure out dude's tell.

3. The old Bond formula isn't outdated; it's Iron Man. You can have your hero be suave and kick ass. In fact, it's exactly what worked in Casino Royale. He was a playboy assassin. Yeah, he had to be a bit moodier in this film because of Vesper but they went WAY too far. In fact, when he did show personality in this film, it almost seemed out of character.

Also, the script gave us two Bond girls who could be cut out of the film completely, at least in terms of the main story. Fields was completely useless (Bond already felt bad about Mathis) and Cami was basically on a separate mission. It was like this weird action whodunnit (or rather whatzhedoing) with a hottie along for the ride to teach grumpy James the meaning of love & forgiveness.

I still thought it was entertaining and one of the better films of the year but they took an iconic character and dulled him down. He was Bourne without the amnesia, Ethan Hunt without his MI team, John Mclane expecting/looking for trouble, a sane Murtaugh and Riggs if he wasn't too old for this shit, etc.

They made a good action movie and a forgettable Bond adventure.


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104. "RE: I disagree with this line of thinking"
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>
>1. Bourne didn't change the game. There's still room for some
>crazy action scenes that push the boundaries of reason. Look
>at Live Free or Die Hard. It's a fine line to walk (and Die
>Hard definitely went overboard) but I think the film would
>have been better off with some crazy action over the more
>"realistic" stuff like the car chase or boat scene.
>


for starters, die hard was never a "spy movie", it's a pure action flick for the sake of action, so of course a movie like that, or rambo and so forth would go overboard. as for spy films go, the last bronson film was felt by most as WAY OVER THE TOP in comparison to the success of the gritty reality style of the bourne films...movies like "the transporter" (which i'm going to see the 3rd next month) is influenced by too....with that said, i didn't sya this movie is LIKE the bourne series, but the gritty action sequences is a huge influence, and it's not the only movie that the bourne series made an impact on...


>2. The problem with Casino Royale wasn't the running time. It
>was the fact that it started with one of the best action
>scenes of the decade and 2 hours later became about a poker
>game. It's like starting a movie with the opening of X2 and
>then cutting to Rounders. Not that Rounders isn't good but
>when you are expecting action and/or adventure, you want to
>see life or death stakes, not James Bond trying to figure out
>dude's tell.
>

casino royale is regarded as the LONGEST bond film ever made...QoS is regarded as the SHORTEST bond film ever made..i do think they got the message of people complaining that it's too long. however to cosign with you a bit, this movie is more action packed than any other bond film minus a couple of roger moore ones which was also the complaint of the 1st of not being as action packed. it sometimes boggles me as to why fanboys are whining about this film when it's whut they ASKED for when they whined about CR.

>3. The old Bond formula isn't outdated; it's Iron Man. You can
>have your hero be suave and kick ass.


i had to stop you right here. for one iron man is NOT a reboot. 2nd, they HAD to reboot the franchise in the same nature they had to reboot batman. and in that regard it's a success. this has nothing to do with bond being out of character, but these two films are explaining HOW he became who we know him to be today. the only people that are whining about they're taknig about from all the traditional stuff are these fanboys. but most people can SEE there's some elements of it still there, but the direction of where they're going with this isn't whut you expect or SHOULD expect for an average bond movie

>I still thought it was entertaining and one of the better
>films of the year but they took an iconic character and dulled
>him down. He was Bourne without the amnesia, Ethan Hunt
>without his MI team, John Mclane expecting/looking for
>trouble, a sane Murtaugh and Riggs if he wasn't too old for
>this shit, etc.
>
>They made a good action movie and a forgettable Bond
>adventure.
>

we're both in agreement here

  

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109. "You keep crying "fanboy" but then you agree with the main argument."
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You say you agree that they made a forgettable Bond film so I'm not sure why you are arguing against anything other people are saying.

You keep bringing up that this film explained how Bond became Bond but Bond was ALREADY Bond at the start of Casino Royale. He was a cad, preferring married women and using sex to get info, and was completely reckless. Dude shot an unarmed man in the VERY FIRST SCENE of Casino Royale. He never did anything that cold blooded in this film; if someone was killed, it was self-defense.

I think Bond has always been overrated (most of the films the last two decades haven't been good) but they went from the films being too over-the-top to watering it down too much and making a standard action flick in Quantum of Solace.

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114. "because it's a dope movie, but many bond films are"
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it's not on any goldfinger, or casino royale levels.

whut pisses me off is when fanboys say they "hate" this film just because it doesn't do something that a traditional bond film would do. i mean EVERY actor that played bond has added different elements to the series.

QoS is a dope, entertaining bond movie...that's it.

  

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117. "And what fanboys have said they "hate" the film for those reasons"
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>it's not on any goldfinger, or casino royale levels.
>
>whut pisses me off is when fanboys say they "hate" this film
>just because it doesn't do something that a traditional bond
>film would do. i mean EVERY actor that played bond has added
>different elements to the series.
>
>QoS is a dope, entertaining bond movie...that's it.

You responded to Zoo who said it was a cool movie but not much of a Bond film.

The people who hate the film have cited story issues or other problems that have little to do with the "Bond" element.

Honestly, you're coming off as more of a fanboy trying to make up excuses for why this move was supposedly so dope.

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66. "sloppy, lazy, incompetent pile of shit"
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at no point in this meandering waste of film did i ever understand or care what the fuck was going on.

potentially interesting action scenes rendered incomprehensible by incessant and wholly unnecessary shaky cam, extreme closeups and meth-fueled editing.

characters literally discarded like trash for no reason, with zero emotional resonance.

the WORST Bond villain ever. easily. in fact, i honestly don't know if you could even consider him a villain. i'll take the Euro poker player with bloody tears over the evil Euro utilities baron any day of the fucking week.

kick-ass opening credits, though. far and away the best part of the movie.

all of the good will generated by "Casino Royale" was just shat upon, raped and left to die on the side of the road.

  

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68. "Very very good"
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Not quite on par with Casino Royale due to less of an emphasis on an in-depth story....but a helluva film in its own right.

The pace was quite brisk(the movie went by in a blur) and even with all the action scenes, the movie did a solid job of keeping the storylines from Casino Royale relevant while introducing and fleshing out Olga's charater.

Daniel Craig did a tremendous job of conveying Bond's pain(and imo did a tremendous job overall) but especially in terms of trying so stoic yet having his shell crack just enough at times. His combination of suave yet rugged continues to really give Bond a great dynamic....and my goodness do they play into the rugged part with the style of fight scenes.

Judi Dench as M was absolutely tremendous.

The storyline was quite interesting, and it never felt forced at all imo. Everything just flowed together so well.

My only serious gripe with the film was how tight some of the shots were during the action scenes, particularly the opening car chase....I had the same complaints in Bourne, so I guess I should have expected that style considering how many of the same players were on the crew for Quantum of Solace. It's just far too jarring...it never lets you actually get a good view of the action.

Great watch....I'll prob see it again sometime soon.

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69. "RE: Quantum of Solace"
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Solid to good but I prefer Casino Royale....

I thought this villain was pretty weak...I mean the actor wasn't bad...the villain just didn't really feel dangerous enough to me.

I agree that the opening car chase was too shakey and poorly edited.

That Bond song is ass...I thought the Chris Cornell song wasn't that good but man this is worse...I mean there's some interesting parts to the song but there's no bottom/no bass and Alicia Keys and Jack White's voices don't blend well together...and her voice didn't work over the those rock riffs.

But Daniel Craig was great...all the other actors performed well also...especially considering the script didn't seem that good nor did they seem as though there was an actual plot.

I see people overall liking this less than Casino Royale (even though people felt the last 1/3 of that film dragged) because expectations will be too high and the newness/element of surprise isn't there.

Good film but behind Ironman and Dark Knight as far as entertaining mainstream cinema goes for 2008.

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71. "I had a very hard time following the movie"
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Be it the action or the plot.

  

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108. "agreed. it was horribly constructed"
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the action scenes had horrendous geography; you couldn't tell where one ledge or room or cliff was in relation to the previous shot.

the use of shaky cam was laughable. just overused and sloppy. worse than Transformers.

and the plot was just as bad. who are these fucking people? why am i supposed to care that they're dead? why are we in a luxury resort in the middle of the desert? why is the resort exploding? who cares? not me.

i believe this was the shortest Bond movie ever and it was still 30 minutes too long. just terrible.

  

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72. "going to see it in a few hours; this post has me scared though"
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I hope this entire experience turns out to be one of those "okp was wrong, the movie was excellent" type deals.

I like the turn the bond franchise took with Casino Royale and hope this movie continues further along that path.

A full report when I get back. I got my fingers crossed and shit!

  

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73. "*see it and think for yourself edit*"
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75. "It's still a good action flick."
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I myself would simply recommend it but tell people to go in with expectations of an action flick and not necessarily a Bond flick. (Kind of like how people needed to realize Live Free or Die Hard was basically a superhero movie and should expect over the top action)

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78. "*smh* @ you still coppin pleas for Live Free or Die Hard"
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79. "Live Free or Die Hard was awesome"
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I can see how people didn't like it but I thought it was one of the better recent action movies.

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81. "I'm in awe that some people think so"
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83. "Cosign."
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86. "Live Free Die Hard was a GREAT movie and anyone who thinks otherwise"
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is an idiot.

  

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87. "Thank you. Replies like this help me understand why u think its great"
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88. "well written, good pace,"
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believable characters, exciting stunts.

  

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92. "live free or die hard is excellent. the ending"
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shooting dude through his shoulder was the shit.

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85. "just got back. GREAT movie. Really Really Good!"
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Contrary to what everyone says about the opening car chase, I thought it was fine. I was able to follow every nuance of it. the "shaky camera" helped make you feel like you were involved in the chase. My wife was gasping during the chase. She loved it.

After seeing it I told my wife that OKPS were saying the movie bite the "Bourne" trilogy, and she said "they forget, all spy movies are based on JAMES BOND movies. Bond is the QUINTESSENTIAL spy movie.

I was able to follow what was going on, enjoyed "bond with edge" and still find it an improvement over the old bond series.

It was a great flick.

  

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90. "With all due respect to your wife, she's missing the point"
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We all know that all spy movies owe a debt to Bond; what some are saying is that this latest series of Bond movies *owes a stylistic debt* to the Bourne movies

Big difference

Before Bourne, there weren't that many handheld action scenes of Bond running through slums and villas and engaging in bone-crunching fistfights

Before Bourne, there weren't that many gritty Bond car chases, with the viewer in the middle of the bone-crunching action

The bottom line is that the success of the (first two) Bourne movies made the Bond producers take a long look at their franchise; their answer was to reboot Bond as a gritty and reckless spy: Stone Cold James Bond

And by the way, once again I have to clarify -- even though I shouldn't have to -- that pointing these things out DOES NOT mean that I/we/PTP is "hating" on the new James Bond movies.
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91. "its like what U2 said about Heltah Skeltah"
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"we're stealin it back!"

bond took it to the next level, WITH original street cred.

  

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97. "i agree. they are also going back to fleming's bond."
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people seem to forget that bond has always tried to go with the times a bit. star wars, die hard, and the lethal weapon franchise has also influenced the bond movies.

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98. "that's why i like craig portaying bond right now."
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he takes it back to the essence of fleming's character from the novels.

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115. "exactly! the series wasn't always over the top. i think its all vital to..."
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success though. when the series goes too dark, they lighten it up a bit. sometimes too much. when it goes way over the top, they bring it back down to earth to some extent.

from russia with love is my favorite. so the darker tone of casino royale and quantum of solace suited me just fine.
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134. "i think people are mad at the stylistic decisions..."
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not the fact that bond is more gritty or played by a no-bullshit guy like craig. That's cool, but you can't strip the bond brand away entirely and still call it bond. It'd be like replacing Jimi Hendrix with Eric Clapton in The Jimi Hendrix Experience and still calling it The Jimi Hendrix Experience.

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76. "good, but its not close to being on par with Casino Royale"
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I still enjoyed it though. And Im glad Olga is starting to get some bigger roles, i've had a thing for this girl for a while now..

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80. "I didn't like how this movie was put together, I liked the trailers"
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84. "First off, not as good as CR but good"
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The whole movie was about Bond getting revenge for Vesper but we really don't see the real pursuit until 30mins in when he finally gets the intel needed. That's what bothered me cause the first 30mintes was action scene with little dialogue expect Dominic's plans.

I enjoyed the movie afterwards once we had more time to relax, see the charismatic Bond with some action conversations going on that advanced the story (Bond's brief convo w/ Felix was my favorite scene). The pacing of Casino Royale didn't bother me like other, ,even though they could have cut 10 minutes off the running time.

Therefore, seeing this, even tho i knew what it was going to be like still disappointed me a bit cause the writing and character development was much better and anyone could see a mile ahead that this was about Bond becoming more mature and less sensitive, becoming the Bond we all know and love. So, Zootown, that's the reason for having the usually opening gun shot at the end, signifying that we have the Suave, ladykiller, professional spy and not a sensitive, unprofessional, revenge driven bond as they've shown.

It sorta sucks that the whole movie was just for him to mature (hence the mother-son like scenes with M). I expect the next one to met in the middle, with they action being large but with more character progression, more sex, and possibly an intro to Q. I give it a B- as opposed to an A for CR.

  

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89. "I mean, I get the "Bond is bo(u)rn(e)!" argument, I just don't agree"
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with it creatively

(regarding moving the Bond scope shot to the end, so as to announce to the audience that James Bond is Here, Now That He Took Care of All That Vesper Shit)
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93. "They're done with the old Bond, yet made an old Bond movie"
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They pretty much dismissed all of the new direction they said they were taking with CR. This movie was good only because Craig is really good and he sells it, but CR was good independent of Craig because instead of massive explosions, over-the-top action scenes and bulletproof heroes they brought it down to a human level.

Then they kicked all that to the curb with the sequel and coasted on the abilities of their golden boy.

Paul Haggis phoned this shit in, I wonder if he even watched Casino Royale. Plot points were just hung on skyhooks. They simply didn't have a story worth telling; they a franchise worth extending.

I never thought to myself "oh, that's a CG shot" watching CR. Thought that several times during QoS.

***SPOILERS***




How many bullets from automatic weapons were fired at Craig in this movie, seriously? The car chase, the boat chase, the gala, the plane chase, the garage scene, I mean, what the fuck? Most of the time he wasn't even hiding behind anything. He's back to being impervious to bullets? How is this a new, realistic direction? They made him a superhero again, this was a Pierce Brosnan film.

They crashed a car and the whole goddamn compound explodes? That's a design flaw of Death Star proportions. Bond shoots a gas main in a flaming room causing a massive, massive fiery explosion in the room HE IS IN and he and his girlie emerge without horrible horrible burns and with their clothing perfectly intact? The scene where they're hanging from ropes the scaffolding was so contrived looked like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean.

They'll make a mint off this one off the sheer buzz from the last movie, but if they continue in this direction it's going to be universally regarded as stale by the time the buzz of the third dies down.

The movie was good, but not nearly as good as it could have been if they just stuck to their program and made a movie with a real Bond that's a human being.

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99. "I'm somewhat agree with you"
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>They pretty much dismissed all of the new direction they said
>they were taking with CR. This movie was good only because
>Craig is really good and he sells it, but CR was good
>independent of Craig because instead of massive explosions,
>over-the-top action scenes and bulletproof heroes they brought
>it down to a human level.
>
>Then they kicked all that to the curb with the sequel and
>coasted on the abilities of their golden boy.

>Paul Haggis phoned this shit in,

I had a feeling he would as soon as his involvement was announced. I really hoped to be wrong. But alas, uh no.

I wonder if he even watched
>Casino Royale. Plot points were just hung on skyhooks. They
>simply didn't have a story worth telling; they a franchise
>worth extending.
>
>I never thought to myself "oh, that's a CG shot" watching CR.
>Thought that several times during QoS.

I only really noticed it once when they were falling out of the plane but that was still 1 of my favorite sequences.

>***SPOILERS***
>
>
>
>
>How many bullets from automatic weapons were fired at Craig in
>this movie, seriously? The car chase, the boat chase, the
>gala, the plane chase, the garage scene, I mean, what the
>fuck? Most of the time he wasn't even hiding behind anything.
> He's back to being impervious to bullets? How is this a new,
>realistic direction? They made him a superhero again, this
>was a Pierce Brosnan film.

He did get shot at a lot in CR as well tho. Specifically at the begining & end.

>They crashed a car and the whole goddamn compound explodes?

Lol yeah. There's just something about those fuel cells I guess.

>That's a design flaw of Death Star proportions. Bond shoots a
>gas main in a flaming room causing a massive, massive fiery
>explosion in the room HE IS IN and he and his girlie emerge
>without horrible horrible burns and with their clothing
>perfectly intact?

I thought they showed them torn up a little bit but maybe not.

The scene where they're hanging from ropes
>the scaffolding was so contrived looked like something out of
>Pirates of the Caribbean.

That was some good stunt work tho. I liked it.

>They'll make a mint off this one off the sheer buzz from the
>last movie, but if they continue in this direction it's going
>to be universally regarded as stale by the time the buzz of
>the third dies down.

I think the new director & hopefully new writer will want to venture off from this one a bit. I'd loved to see someone like Danny Boyle to get a shot at directing & maybe someone like Christopher McQuarrie to write it.

>The movie was good, but not nearly as good as it could have
>been if they just stuck to their program and made a movie with
>a real Bond that's a human being.

I liked that they upped the ante on the action but its too bad it had to come at the expense of a solid story.

  

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122. "I'd love to see a Chris McQuarrie script"
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>He did get shot at a lot in CR as well tho. Specifically at
>the begining & end.

Yeah, I did forget about the embassy scene, but I also forgot about the CIA Attacks scene in QoS.

>I thought they showed them torn up a little bit but maybe
>not.

I guess I meant their clothes weren't burned off. Even assuming the force of the explosion didn't blow them apart, it would have been like a thousand degrees in that room.

>I think the new director & hopefully new writer will want to
>venture off from this one a bit. I'd loved to see someone like
>Danny Boyle to get a shot at directing & maybe someone like
>Christopher McQuarrie to write it.

Chris McQuarrie would be an interesting choice, as would the Nolans, but I think the studio is terrified of taking risks with the most successful franchise in history. I think they're going to keep using Haggis or some other hack to churn out formulaic scripts, even after their original "shake it up" routine was hailed so universally. I think the studio feels that as long as the fight scenes are Bourne-like and they have an A+ Bond like Craig they can stay safe and keep pretty close to the routine without anyone noticing or caring. I think that's a fine short term plan, but long term they're gonna run into the same problems they had with the Brosnan films.

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129. "Either him or the Nolans would be a great choice over Hackis"
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>>I think the new director & hopefully new writer will want to
>>venture off from this one a bit. I'd loved to see someone
>like
>>Danny Boyle to get a shot at directing & maybe someone like
>>Christopher McQuarrie to write it.
>
>Chris McQuarrie would be an interesting choice, as would the
>Nolans, but I think the studio is terrified of taking risks
>with the most successful franchise in history. I think
>they're going to keep using Haggis or some other hack to churn
>out formulaic scripts, even after their original "shake it up"
>routine was hailed so universally. I think the studio feels
>that as long as the fight scenes are Bourne-like and they have
>an A+ Bond like Craig they can stay safe and keep pretty close
>to the routine without anyone noticing or caring. I think
>that's a fine short term plan, but long term they're gonna run
>into the same problems they had with the Brosnan films.

Yeah sadly I think you're right. I didn't realize the guys that wrote CR also wrote some of the Pierce Bronsan flicks as well. Oh well. As long as they keep Craig I'll keep seein em.

  

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102. "^ Also, the Vesper ish was a subplot. The real story was pretty muddled."
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We also didn't need another double-dosage of Bond girls this time around. Bond himself was tight, though. I was heavily disappointed, but I guess it was okay. Not bad, but not too good, either.

  

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105. "sooo your complaint is that it's too much like the roger moore bond"
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even though i do somewhut agree with the fire burning part. but i took at artistic oversite

  

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120. "I guess if you wanna put it like that, sure"
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But I feel like my gripes were fairly clearly laid out. I mean, sure, the Moore films were where everything kind of got a bit silly in the first place, but I think my gripe is more that they specificially had said with the last film they were going in a new direction, and apart from a far superior bond and faster action scenes there isn't really that much difference between Quantum of Solace and The World Is Not Enough.

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111. "on haggis: he is a big reason the dialogue was so much better in casino...."
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wade and purvis have been on most of brosnan's films and are largely responsible for many of the terrible lines delivered in them. so if you liked a lot of the dialogue in casino royale and quantum...i am pretty sure haggis is responsible for that.

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121. "It's probably pretty obvious I had no idea Haggis did Casino Royale"
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Sheeit. That kind of irks me even more. Interesting about the writer's strike though.

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130. "Me either. I wonder why his name is listed last in CR & 1st in QoS"
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135. "Haggis came in late in the game to clean up a lot of what was written..."
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by Purvis & Wade. Dialogue in particular I believe he also noted that they didn't even have a third act before he came in.
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136. "Ah ok. Thanks."
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95. "I really enjoyed the movie."
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I'm a huge bond fan and the 007 series is my favorite. As much as people say it felt like a Bourne movie, I thought the movie was great and fitting for a Bond movie (albeit at under 2 hours it was short but kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time). Lots of action, the relationship between Bond and M(um) is superb IMO, and Craig can be the best Bond since Connery as the way he plays his character fits what Ian Fleming saw as Bond in his novels.

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101. "Good Flick, No Casino Royale though"
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I wanted to know more about Quantum. maybe I missed it but I don't there was a scene where Bond interrogates Greene. I know they talk about it, but I wanted to see it. with that said I can't wait for the next one.

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106. "they're trying to make QUANTUM like SPECTRE"
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almost paying homage to the connery era

  

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113. "not almost. they are. i think the only reason they are not using the nam..."
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is to avoid having to bring in blofeld/dr. evil and his mr. bigglesworth cat with friggin diamonds attached to his collar.

bond needs a recurring enemy. quantum provides that as spectre did in the past. it would have been a huge mistake not to have tried to go down this path. just as dr. no did a great job of sparking curiosity about spectre, i think these last two movies have raised interest in quantum. now, they only need to keep quantum cruel and diabolical like spectre.
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116. "agreed"
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it also opened the doors for a gain of new storylines too

  

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118. "RE: agreed"
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>it also opened the doors for a gain of new storylines too

i like what you are saying here. it would be too crazy to have to keep coming up with totally different motives for trying to take over the world, or destabilize governments/economies. spectre pretty much had everything covered in the name. special executive for counter-intelligence, terrorism, revenge and extortion. quantum needs to be that broad in scope.
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110. "$70.4 opening weekend; biggest Bond opening ever (link)"
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112. "cot-damn"
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123. "Not that good, and I'm a bond fan."
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124. "def not as good as Casino Royale"
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NO gadgets! no seduction scene....all adrenaline

BUT the stunt sequences were well done, especially the footchase that ends on the scaffolding....that fight sequence alone deserves an oscar, matter of fact there should be a new category in the oscars for best 3min action sequence.

this movie kept me out of the rain for 95 mins


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125. "The 'evil plan' was the most impotent plan I've ever seen..."
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SPOILER:

Control 60% of the water supply of Bolivia, and sell it back to the Bolivian government at "almost double" the rate that the other utility companies who control, I assume, the other 40% of the water normally charge? What? WHHATTTTT? James Bond ain't worrying about some shit more important than that?

Overall, the movie was basically just decent. The action was technically proficient, but was CLEARLY taken directly out of the Bourne playbook, and to be quite honest, it was inferior to the Bourne movies. I know Bourne is based heavily on Bond, that is a given - but Bond was becoming bloated and obsolete, and to make it current they had to now borrow from the borrower.

There is no reason that the next Bond film shouldn't be a combination of the two schools. Daniel Craig could still be gritty with a few realistic tricks up his sleeve, and he could start to transform into being A LITTLE more suave. The action should scenes should stay in the "current" style, but IMO they should be a little less frequent. The first 1/3 of this movie was like 3 MAJOR action sequences just for the sake of themselves. CAR CHASE - 3 minutes of dialouge - CHASE THROUGH ROOFS, BUILDINGS, AND STREETS - 4 minutes of dialouge - FIGHT SCENE, BOND MURKS SOMEONE - 5 minutes of dialouge - BOAT CHASE!

Plus, they jump out an airplane and set off their parachute 20 FEET (!) off the ground and nothing happens.

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126. "RE: Quantum of Solace"
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128. "horrible, completely horrible"
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what movie did some of you watch?

because what i saw was a poorly directed film with an incoherent storyline and meaningless plot.

let's start with the action sequences.

putrid.

i mean, seriously, the editing was horrendous, or the they shot the sequences so bad that the editor had to hide the sh*t with the choppy-ness. i literally got dizzy frome the opening sequence. it killed all the suspense, excitement and beyond all else...the FEELING of the sh*t, what good action brings. they sucked all the life of the movie, that is a dead corpse anyway.

yeah, olga is hot, but she was hotter in Max Payne. much hotter. this is James Bond. he shoulda banged her. i really didn't give a f*ck about Camille's redemption of her family. who cares. lmao @ "one shot, take a deep breath".

and the main evil character was a fag. how he punked that bolivian general was not believable. the bolivian cat should have been the main villian. n*gga had that stare.

and could they have some better looking chicks in this flick? at least ones without suspect jawlines?

even the broad Bond banged, was...i don't know....average.

and then the alicia keys and jack white song? ugh!

the whole Bond on rampage angle did not work, because of the poor writing. you didn't believe he was on a rampage because he lost his girl, or that he was strung out because he lost his girl, or he was taking six shots of whatever because he lost his girl, you are just told this and expect to believe it. its poor writing, and poor directing.

even the little jokes they tried throw in didn't work. even the Bond stans in the audience gave barely audible chuckles.

bad effort. just lazy. it will do numbers. but they could have done a lot better. it was a waste of money.




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131. "dope = ridiculous action + good acting + picturesque + good pacing"
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the villain was a major downgrade from le cheif (sp?), but the overall introduction of QUANTUM (aka the james bond LEGION OF DOOM) has me siced.

I = entertained = satisfied.

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148. "le'cliffre is overrated, IMO"
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le'cliffre may had more charisma, but he was a weak foe with little authority. dominic was actually a BAWSE that held his own

  

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133. "they took all the fun out"
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it's just an action flick now


before it was all tongue in cheek
clever entendres
and a fly ass dude

now

it's every other movie with the bond name attached
not bad but
no longer bond
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141. "*Starts the petition to have Monica Bellucci as the next Bond boo*"
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143. "Just got back from it not too long ago"
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I thoroughly enjoyed it, glad I didn't read any of the posts before I went to see it.


The Opening Sequence I felt was fine, didn't quite live up to CR but I didn't expect it to.

The plot was fine in my opinion, it was just a continuation of CR. they tied up the Vespa angle, and in doing so got more info on Quantum.
The whole stealing Bolivia's water supply wasn't so much as THE DIAOBILICAL plot to end all diaobilical plots, but more so, this is how the org operates. They are powerful enough to destabilize countries and bankroll coups.


I liked the ending as well.

overall i give it a 4 out of 5.



oh yea question, when Bond and the Bolivian chick are in the sinkhole, she says something to him about when he finds the person who killed Vespa...but someone was coughing behind me so I couldn't catch it...anyone know what it was?

  

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146. "RE: Just got back from it not too long ago"
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>oh yea question, when Bond and the Bolivian chick are in the
>sinkhole, she says something to him about when he finds the
>person who killed Vespa...but someone was coughing behind me
>so I couldn't catch it...anyone know what it was?

I think it was, "Tell me how it feels" or something like that

  

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145. "This worked for me as a Bond film"
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And yes I've seen many of the others. If you don't think Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were better than the Timothy Dalton and most of the Remington Steele Bond films... well you can have them.

This wasn't James Bond as we know him or knew him. This was James Bond running on tilt. He threw up the deuce to MI6 and went out of his way to kill the people who killed and/or fucked over Vesper. Mission accomplished.

This movie wasn't about Bolivia, it wasn't about him being The Sexy International Spy. It was about him fucking some dudes up for killing the woman he loved or forcing her to kill herself (depending on how you like to look at it.) These two films basically set the table for the latter day Bond as The Spy Who Loves Em and Leaves Em.

It works for me. I'm not sure what everyone else was expecting. It was called Quantum of Solace. Bond got his, but that's all it was ever going to be... a quantum.

And fuck Paul Haggis for trying to ruin this movie.

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149. "this is how I looked at it"
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it was all about revenge. him stopping the Quantum's plot in regards to Bolivia's water supply was secondary.

  

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157. "Cmon. Pierce better."
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>And yes I've seen many of the others. If you don't think
>Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were better than the
>Timothy Dalton and most of the Remington Steele Bond films...
>well you can have them.

(j/k)

>This wasn't James Bond as we know him or knew him. This was
>James Bond running on tilt. He threw up the deuce to MI6 and
>went out of his way to kill the people who killed and/or
>fucked over Vesper. Mission accomplished.
>
>This movie wasn't about Bolivia, it wasn't about him being The
>Sexy International Spy. It was about him fucking some dudes
>up for killing the woman he loved or forcing her to kill
>herself (depending on how you like to look at it.) These two
>films basically set the table for the latter day Bond as The
>Spy Who Loves Em and Leaves Em.

yup. and that's why putting the gun barrel sequence at the end works; it wouldn't have even fit at the beginning of this movie really - there was unfinished business in between, and at the end Bond has dealt with & comes to terms with it, and is now ready to jump off as The Sexy International Spy bagging hot chicks & driking dry martitis shaken not stirred in between thwarting ominous international plots and offing evil criminal masterminds.


>It works for me. I'm not sure what everyone else was
>expecting. It was called Quantum of Solace. Bond got his,
>but that's all it was ever going to be... a quantum.

yup.

>
>And fuck Paul Haggis for trying to ruin this movie.

LOL

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162. "on point..."
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that's why i liked it too. i mean i loved all the old bond movies. but this is different. like i mentioned below, more personal...a more human bond that the audience can relate to.

  

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147. "Was there a crotch shot right before the Genral got blasted?"
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I was talkin to a buddy at a bar last nite & he swears there was but I dont remember it

  

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150. "i believe so"
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cuz i remember thinking, "wait, did they just show that..."

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152. "I do believe it was some pussy on screen"
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156. "looked like nothing but pantyhose to me."
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160. "^^^"
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they wouldn't let that slide in a bond flick. though they'll tease you and make you think you saw what you want to see.

  

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151. "dope."
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153. "would've been nice to see the action. that transporter camera switching"
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bullshit was killing me.

otherwise, nice.

in pretty much all the action scenes, it was impossible to tell what was going on because the camera cut so quickly

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154. "it was aight"
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not as good as Casino Royale, but it served its purpose. and I like the character development they are going for with Bond - he's a real character here, not just a super-agent cartoon in a tux.

they needed more Felix Leiter though, he's a real cool character.

and WTF was a luxury hotel doing in the middle of the Bolivian desert though?

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WTF was going on there? the whole theatre was confused. my guess was other dude knew he was gonna rape her or something, but shit seemed like an inside joke.

as for the film: disappointing. story was nowhere to be found, lots of ? moments, and action was better in CR.

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158. "I liked it"
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It wasn't as good as CR, but it was still enjoyable. Not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be based on all the internet reviews I read. No it wasn't typical "Bond" with the gadgets and girls, but it was still a good movie. I could've done without the handheld cam. It was overused IMO. Also, the editing was piss poor in this movie. Outside of those two things, I don't really have a complaint. Olga was looking nice. Bond was killing MFers with impunity. M was crackin' me up with her mother hen routine. Enjoyable ride. I give it a B.
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161. "casino royale set the bar way too damn high..."
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and thus i think some folks were disappointed. it was a good movie. casino royale, imp, was friggin fantastic...because it was a different, more personal type of bond.

i'll watch this again. this is still closer to casino royale than the other movies in that it was a not so cookie cutter bond. sucks for the folks that didn't watch casino royale, cuz i heard a two people behind me really confused about who was who (and what was a vespa).

the bond chick coulda been hotter...as could have the fields chick. but that's really my only complaint.

  

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163. "That was a sad flashback to the Brosnan years"
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I don't want a super model with a revenge plot! Bad idea.

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164. "cosign a lot of this post"
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- the action suffered from terrible editing. no framing, jarring cuts, etc. as mentioned, the car scene was a waste of some good stunts due to the fact you never get a sense of what's happening. it's like the director wanted to show everything from four angles at once, when he should've just picked one.

- that being said, there were some pretty nifty and unique action shots. the acrobatics being the best.

- having seen Casino Royale a long time ago, I didn't even realize who the fuck they were talking about half the time. those characters were seemingly in the movie just to pay homage to the fact they appeared once before (Felix and Mathis being especially banal).

- one good improvement was the running time. it felt a hell of a lot tighter than Casino Royale, which dragged on unbelievably in parts.

- I didn't mind the revenge chick storyline. I actually thought it was a nice touch having her house burning memory to go with the traditional warehouse explosion end scene. she looks like Sophie Marceua's little sister.

- why do they have Bond smashing "cute" chicks? the oil girl and his main squeeze in CR are not 007 caliber pussy. we need more bangers like the first girl in CR who got hammocked.

- summation: entertaining but forgettable.

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