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icecold21
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"Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?"


  

          

I watched it for the first time a few years ago thinking it was going to be the shit given all the hype for it, and I thought it was crap. I don't see how this movie appeals to people.

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On this website??? HARDLY!!!
Apr 19th 2008
1
Oh Christ, not this fucking can of worms again.
Apr 19th 2008
2
217 posts...pussy
Apr 19th 2008
3
RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 19th 2008
4
^^^Tony Rocky Horror^^^
Apr 19th 2008
5
Heat sucked too.
Apr 19th 2008
6
Heat *is* kinda mediocre though.
Apr 19th 2008
8
Fulp Piction was that shit though
Apr 19th 2008
7
You are?
Apr 19th 2008
9
Oh, I meant to have "Am" at the beginning of that
Apr 20th 2008
16
I bought this porno dvd called Pulp Friction.
Apr 19th 2008
10
I got that... I didn't appreciate the male sodomy scene tho. :-\
Apr 19th 2008
11
      *cancels Booty Torrents search*
Apr 19th 2008
12
one of my FAV movies...
Apr 19th 2008
13
^^^O_E alias
Apr 19th 2008
14
I saw it for the first time a month ago
Apr 20th 2008
15
its still good for the dialogue
Apr 20th 2008
17
**MOONWALKS INTO POST, WEARING TIMBS**
Apr 20th 2008
18
No, people like Pulp Fiction because it's a great movie.
Apr 20th 2008
19
U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 20th 2008
20
      RE: U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 20th 2008
21
           I think most people are like you
Apr 20th 2008
22
           Wrong. Post #23.
Apr 20th 2008
24
           Yeah, you're either blind or in denial
Apr 20th 2008
23
                you analyze the fuck out of a flick you supposedly hate
Apr 20th 2008
25
                a)No, I'm just smart + b)Why are you mad?
Apr 20th 2008
26
                     what part of the game is this kid-like nonsense?
Apr 20th 2008
27
                          LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS
Apr 20th 2008
28
                               RE: LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS
Apr 20th 2008
30
                                    "BREATHE" (C) Fabo
Apr 20th 2008
32
                                         RE: "BREATHE" (C) Fabo
Apr 21st 2008
46
                                              Lol. Now, THAT is ironic.
Apr 21st 2008
47
                                                   nah, that would be *fitting* as well, lol.
Apr 21st 2008
48
                                                        Lol. Wrong.
Apr 21st 2008
50
                                                             what is irony?
Apr 21st 2008
54
                                                                  You know, I actually charge for rhetoric lectures.
Apr 21st 2008
62
                Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout
Apr 20th 2008
29
                     Lol. You are ethering yourself up in here, fam.
Apr 20th 2008
31
                          I think you've been sipping the latte
Apr 20th 2008
33
                               LOL. I suspect you're just joking at this stage.
Apr 20th 2008
34
                                    So we disagree
Apr 21st 2008
35
                                         HAHAHA. You're still COPPING PLEAS
Apr 21st 2008
37
                                              "Over the top but in a sensible way"
Apr 21st 2008
39
                                                   Now you're just being silly, cuzzo.
Apr 21st 2008
41
this is the dumbest shit ive ever read in PTP
Apr 21st 2008
36
Hahaha^^^Hurting inside
Apr 21st 2008
38
      Hahaha^^^Not a Charter Member
Apr 21st 2008
75
^^^ Big fan of "Madea's Family Reunion"
Apr 21st 2008
43
      ^^^Huge fan of my dick
Apr 21st 2008
44
Some of y'all never learn, do you?
Apr 21st 2008
40
ah, more mind reading
Apr 21st 2008
53
That's not mind reading. That's looking at facts and interpreting.
Apr 21st 2008
66
      you don't 'interpret' a human being
Apr 21st 2008
74
      Yes, actually... you can. Those people are called historians.
Apr 21st 2008
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      FACT: A load of B movies are really smart
Apr 21st 2008
84
           oh and
Apr 22nd 2008
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                I'm not trying to imply that they're vapid.
Apr 22nd 2008
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                     in fact, there's a quote from Tarantino where he says
Apr 23rd 2008
127
                          LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
128
my only gripe is the "people like it because they're told to" cop out
Apr 21st 2008
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But here's the problem.
Apr 21st 2008
68
true, but his argument is still bullshit
Apr 21st 2008
72
this singlehandedly justifies my Duke hate
Apr 22nd 2008
98
      Actually, I read that at OSU. LOL.
Apr 22nd 2008
103
           well my second statement still applies
Apr 22nd 2008
104
yeah, that sort of ranting is wild micro...
Apr 22nd 2008
90
You should really apologize to OE
Apr 22nd 2008
121
I like it, I liked it when i 1st saw it, and I'll always like
Apr 21st 2008
42
Brilliant
Apr 21st 2008
45
      I was about to do something stupid and get into an exchange
Apr 21st 2008
69
           ^^^Scared to death, scared to look.
Apr 21st 2008
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                LMAO
Apr 22nd 2008
89
                U are very bright but quite the asshole
Apr 23rd 2008
135
Hmmm, I've seen this movie before.
Apr 21st 2008
49
^^brilliant post
Apr 21st 2008
51
i can see the backlash angle, or the over-analysis angle
Apr 21st 2008
52
Wow. I'm...speechless, fam.
Apr 21st 2008
55
yep, speechless cuz he ethered the fuck out of your whole BS argument
Apr 21st 2008
67
Whyteth are thou panties in a bunch?
Apr 21st 2008
79
Yes and No.
Apr 23rd 2008
145
U got it right
Apr 23rd 2008
136
what was so good about it?
Apr 21st 2008
56
Jesus H. Christ.
Apr 21st 2008
57
      ???
Apr 21st 2008
59
      kap... just don't
Apr 21st 2008
60
      Lol. You just answered your own question, kitko.
Apr 21st 2008
61
           nice attempt to evade, but no cigar.
Apr 21st 2008
63
                Hmm. I sense madness in your keystrokes.
Apr 21st 2008
64
                     actually, the amount of verbiage you expend suggests madness.
Apr 21st 2008
65
                          Oh, So Tarantino gets props for Al Green's popularity? Say word?
Apr 21st 2008
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                               but that doesn't make any sense.
Apr 22nd 2008
91
                                    Furious?
Apr 22nd 2008
96
      You're a fucking weirdo
Apr 23rd 2008
124
           You were doing fine until this part:
Apr 23rd 2008
126
give it a chance & watch it again
Apr 21st 2008
70
oh, and this post is in serious need of an Admiral Akbar appearance
Apr 21st 2008
71
It reaks of worms and minnows
Apr 21st 2008
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It's a trap!
Apr 22nd 2008
87
Pulp Fiction>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forrest Gump
Apr 21st 2008
77
ppl are still arguing pulp fiction w/ O_E?
Apr 21st 2008
78
lol i'm sayin'
Apr 21st 2008
81
ppl are still expending effort on/ O_E?
Apr 21st 2008
85
I'm more amused by the fact that he's still wasting his time hatin
Apr 22nd 2008
92
      I'll tell you what's amusing
Apr 22nd 2008
95
           what the hell
Apr 22nd 2008
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                *WAGS MUTUMBO FINGER*
Apr 22nd 2008
105
                     you saw the script a year before release?
Apr 22nd 2008
119
                          At least a year before.
Apr 22nd 2008
120
                               why? what kind of fluke led to that?
Apr 23rd 2008
131
                                    No, I been into film for longer than most of y'all.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                         reading scripts, fam?
Apr 23rd 2008
133
                                              Cmon
Apr 23rd 2008
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post #71
Apr 22nd 2008
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The best part is this:
Apr 22nd 2008
100
      LOL I had NO idea it would turn into this
Apr 23rd 2008
123
           You're spot on. Don't let these cats make you feel otherwise.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                It's good to know i ain't by myself on this
Apr 23rd 2008
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it's not even about 'pulp' anymore; it's about getting oe to relent
Apr 22nd 2008
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      ^^^Again, being flippant without warrant.
Apr 22nd 2008
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           please show me where i used the word "illogical" to describe you
Apr 22nd 2008
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           LMMFAO!!!
Apr 22nd 2008
114
                you know what?
Apr 22nd 2008
118
           it was very much a zeitgeist film though
Apr 22nd 2008
115
                I know what a Zeitgeist is, big guy.
Apr 22nd 2008
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                     I'm aware
Apr 23rd 2008
139
                          Fair enough. n/m
Apr 23rd 2008
140
                               ^ relenting
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                    It was actually a pretty good flick now that I really think about it
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                    **Attention Mods** ^^^Delete this Alias
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                    Oh god, FILFication has spread to PTP
Apr 23rd 2008
148
                                    cross-boards archive fun:
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                         that was the *exact* post I thought of
Apr 23rd 2008
144
                                              that's the first thing I thought of when you said that
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                   Yep. All sorts of interesting shit be going on.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                        Disagreeing diplomatically = Agreeing
Apr 23rd 2008
150
                                                        You sound....a tad bit mad at Longo.
Apr 23rd 2008
151
                                                        That's like being angry at an echo
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                             Hmm. You still sound mad.
Apr 23rd 2008
154
                                                                  You still seem to like to talk about anything but the actual movie
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                        What? Dude, I'm writing a 20-page paper on Tarantino.
Apr 23rd 2008
158
                                                             Is the OP called "Do people go overboard about Pulp Fiction?"
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                  I don't know what I did to you, but alright fam.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                       LOL.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                            You misread on one key point.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                                 Check out your timing
Apr 24th 2008
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                                                                                      Ok.
Apr 24th 2008
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                                                        ^^^ this post captures the Zeitgeist of Okayplayer
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                             That post was about redemption, by the way.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                  hahahaha - good shit
Apr 23rd 2008
156
RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 21st 2008
83
Pulp Fiction is a man's movie...PERIOD
Apr 21st 2008
86
2 things
Apr 22nd 2008
93
Furious?
Apr 22nd 2008
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      Enraged even.
Apr 22nd 2008
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           No homo
Apr 22nd 2008
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                RE: No homo
Apr 22nd 2008
110
                     Mad?
Apr 22nd 2008
112
                          lol
Apr 22nd 2008
117
I just thought it was ok. But then again most movies that most people...
Apr 22nd 2008
107
LMAO!!!^^^^POWERFUL CAMEO!!!!!
Apr 22nd 2008
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      yo i'm dying , lmao
Apr 22nd 2008
122
           lmao
Apr 23rd 2008
125
           LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
130
                RE: LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
137
Wait, this isn't how I remember the movie ending
Apr 24th 2008
164

SpookyElectric
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1. "On this website??? HARDLY!!!"
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Now, I'm the wrong cat to ask this question 'cause it's one of my favorite movies of all-time.

Of course, I saw it when it first came out on video so there wasn't 14 years of hype to meet for me like it was for you.

But, yeah man I love this movie and there's a reason why so many movies copy it more than a decade after it was released!!!

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2. "Oh Christ, not this fucking can of worms again."
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It's probably my favorite movie of all time, but you'll get a fair share of people in here who hate it as much or more than you do.

Have fun.

  

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3. "217 posts...pussy"
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4. "RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?"
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5. "^^^Tony Rocky Horror^^^"
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6. "Heat sucked too."
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Sat Apr-19-08 02:50 PM by Madvillain 626

  

          

I thought it was going to be an deep and unflinching look into the world of Solar energy, not some ol wack bankrobber bullshit.

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8. "Heat *is* kinda mediocre though."
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7. "Fulp Piction was that shit though"
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I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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9. "You are?"
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16. "Oh, I meant to have "Am" at the beginning of that"
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10. "I bought this porno dvd called Pulp Friction."
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It's pretty good.

Mr. Marcus is the Jules Winnfield character.

One of the Marcela sisters is in it too, forgot which one though (I think it's Nyomi).

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11. "I got that... I didn't appreciate the male sodomy scene tho. :-\"
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:-\

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12. "*cancels Booty Torrents search*"
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13. "one of my FAV movies..."
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ever.

  

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14. "^^^O_E alias"
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15. "I saw it for the first time a month ago"
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I thought it was good, not outstanding though. But I thought the way they pieced the storyline together was really dope.

  

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17. "its still good for the dialogue"
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but I watched Kill Bill 1 & 2 again recently and they didn't seem as good as I remembered
the coldest part is I coulda swore I loved those movies back in 04

  

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18. "**MOONWALKS INTO POST, WEARING TIMBS**"
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No, you're not the only one.

People invent reasons to like 'Pulp Fiction'
mostly because pop culture has told them
that they are supposed to like it. When they
watch it and don't like it, their brain conjures
a reason to, so that they don't feel left out.

I've heard no less that 20 different explanations
for why people like that movie, and 90% of them
are complete bullshit.

Its no good, at all.

If people overanalyzed most movies as much as they
did PF, than people would like most films
just the same. They don't do that with most movies
because most films aren't an all access pass to
feeling cool and hip like PF is/was.

Thankfully, I'm cool and hip without liking it.

And my real beef with 'Pulp Fiction' is not the film
itself, but how bad it was for film: It ushered
in an era of superficiality that we haven't really
shaken yet....really fucked things up.






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bignick
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19. "No, people like Pulp Fiction because it's a great movie."
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Sun Apr-20-08 04:24 PM by bignick

  

          

No matter how many other bullshit "hipster" arguments you invent to the contrary.

  

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Orbit_Established
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20. "U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?"
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Sun Apr-20-08 05:49 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

>No matter how many other bullshit "hipster" arguments you
>invent to the contrary.

They like it because its *supposed* to be a great movie.

People watch it, don't understand it, go online, read
the over-interpretations, invent their own, combine
them, and head to their dorm/office/coffee shop armed
with a recipe for their low intellectual self esteem.

Its usually in the form of:

"I think the hairstyles of Travolta and Jackson's characters
were symbolic..they were supposed to be hit men, yet had clashing,
conflicting silly hairstyles....but Sam Jackson's character, who
believed the miracle, came to peace with the conflict
present on his scalp...Tarantino was speaking to the ubiquity
of conflict, and how it presents itself in several different
ways, even subconciously, sometimes in the form of a jheri
curl...and the fact that Sam Jackson's character believed
the miracle speaks to the African-American community's struggle
for identity and hope for legitimacy."

People like me don't need to do ^^^this bullshit,
because we're actually smart people in real life
on real topics.

  

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Sanjuro
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21. "RE: U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?"
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Do people really act like that? Wow. I mean, I never even knew Pulp Fiction was revered and analysed by people like that. I just thought it was accepted as a popular, cool, witty, ultra-violent gangster-flick with semi-original time shifts and unconventional structuring. It's no Fellini flick or nothing. It's not the Seventh Seal. Shit, it ain't even something like Clockwork Orange or Blade Runner in terms of heavy-handed symbolism.

Besides the whole briefcase Mcguffin, Pulp Ficition ain't deep AT ALL. After all, it's Pulp Ficiton. Light entertainment. Tarantino ain't a deep film-maker. He doesn't use symbolism like a Kubrick or a Lynch would.

I'm really surprised people see it like that. If you don't like the film first time, I'd imagine it just ain't your thing - not a case of you missing something or it being misunderwstood. The film isn't that layered. The structure and dialogue are the most standout elements to that flick - both GREAT, by the way, hence the reputation Pulp Ficiton has gained.

  

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22. "I think most people are like you"
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Anyone who works hard to "get" Pulp Fiction is laughable because it's pulp fiction; there's nothing really to "get".

It's a great, cool crime flick.

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Orbit_Established
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24. "Wrong. Post #23."
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n/m
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

  

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Orbit_Established
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23. "Yeah, you're either blind or in denial"
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>I just thought it was accepted as a popular, cool,
>witty, ultra-violent gangster-flick with semi-original time
>shifts and unconventional structuring.

Right, but none of the above warrant it being
labeled an all-time great film, which it
is, routinely.

What you described would make it a really fun
B-movie.

I mean, 'The Last Boyscout' was a clever, fun,
exciting film with dialogue at least as catchy
as 'Pulp Fiction'.

People don't revere it the same.

'The Last Boyscout' is considered
a fun B movie, at best.

People revere 'Pulp Fiction' as one of the
best films of our time.

Its because 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to
much deeper and is supposed to be the product
of deep thought and sophistication.

The sad truth was that it was not. At all.

It had about as much thought put into it
as 'The Last Boyscout'(less, imo).


It's no Fellini flick
>or nothing. It's not the Seventh Seal. Shit, it ain't even
>something like Clockwork Orange or Blade Runner in terms of
>heavy-handed symbolism.

Yep.

>Besides the whole briefcase Mcguffin, Pulp Ficition ain't deep
>AT ALL. After all, it's Pulp Ficiton. Light entertainment.
>Tarantino ain't a deep film-maker. He doesn't use symbolism
>like a Kubrick or a Lynch would.

Right, he made a decent B-movie at best.

>I'm really surprised people see it like that. If you don't
>like the film first time, I'd imagine it just ain't your thing
>- not a case of you missing something or it being
>misunderwstood. The film isn't that layered. The structure and
>dialogue are the most standout elements to that flick - both
>GREAT, by the way, hence the reputation Pulp Ficiton has
>gained.

No, because 'The Last Boyscout' has not accumulated the
same praise, nor following. It had excellent dialogue,
great performances, fun action, clever little storyline.

You're describing 'Pulp Fiction' the same way. Problem is
that isn't how people hold 'Pulp Fiction'. People think
its BRILLIANT. Not just "fun." But BRILLIANT.

And that's my point: Its NOT fucking BRILLIANT.

At BEST, and that's when I am in a REALLY GOOD
MOOD, I can say its "simple, wacky, fun."

And that being the case, I put it somewhere below
"The Last Boyscout" and films of that ilk.

B-movie at best.



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25. "you analyze the fuck out of a flick you supposedly hate"
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26. "a)No, I'm just smart + b)Why are you mad?"
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Whyeth is u madeth?

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27. "what part of the game is this kid-like nonsense?"
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Mad? Because I call bullshit on your protest to hardeth "I hate PF" schtick? Ok chief lol.

  

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28. "LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS"
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>Mad? Because I call bullshit on your protest to hardeth "I
>hate PF" schtick? Ok chief lol.

What bullshit have you called?

You just hate the fact that I'm right.

If you weren't mad, you'd be able to
discuss this intelligently.

You can't because you're HEATED, fam.


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30. "RE: LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS"
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>>Mad? Because I call bullshit on your protest to hardeth "I
>>hate PF" schtick? Ok chief lol.
>
>What bullshit have you called?
>
>You just hate the fact that I'm right.
>
>If you weren't mad, you'd be able to
>discuss this intelligently.
>
>You can't because you're HEATED, fam.


What have you discussed intelligently here on this post? You think you've broke shit down? Seriously?

Oh and I called you out on this protest too much steelo. Someone like you who spouts off all this "intelligence" about a movie that they supposedly think sucks...well...you know. Oh let me take away that "lol" since Im "mad."

  

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32. ""BREATHE" (C) Fabo"
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>Oh and I called you out on this protest too much steelo.
>Someone like you who spouts off all this "intelligence" about
>a movie that they supposedly think sucks...well...you know. Oh
>let me take away that "lol" since Im "mad."

Breathe, brother.

Take a nap, and then post later when you're not
flustered.

You're a rambling mess right now, ironically
just like a Tarantino movie.





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46. "RE: "BREATHE" (C) Fabo"
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>You're a rambling mess right now, **FITTINGLY**
>just like a Tarantino movie.



"Quienes argumentan que el arte no debe propagar doctrinas, se refieren a doctrinas contrarias a las suyas" - Jorge Luis Borges

  

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47. "Lol. Now, THAT is ironic."
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Lol.

The fact that you're in here trying to correct
my word usage when one of my central arguments about
the culture of 'Pulp Fiction' involves it attracting
pretentious dickheads with low intellectual self esteem,
the kinds of people who try to standardize the use of
"irony" on an internet message board discussion.

"Irony" is one the most frequently debated words
and rhetorical devices in the english language.

Its used dozens of ways, but a lot of smart people.

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48. "nah, that would be *fitting* as well, lol."
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expected.
appropriate.
etc.

not ironic.

what does irony mean to you?


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50. "Lol. Wrong."
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>expected.
>appropriate.
>etc.

The reason why the above qualify is that
these interactions communicate a disconnect between
the intentions of the speaker(you, and the other guy/gal)
and what really came across, and how your messages fit into
the greater context of what was being discussed.

In this case, I'm making fun of how pretentious
and assholish fans of 'Pulp Fiction' are.

In this SAME DISCUSSION, you come in here trying
to correct word usage, which is both pretentious
and assholish.

You were unaware of how perfectly you were playing
into my greater point, hence the irony of your comments.

Not to mention that fact that you're wrong(kind of a
moot point here).




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54. "what is irony?"
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62. "You know, I actually charge for rhetoric lectures."
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The free trial period is over.

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29. "Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout"
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And I like Last Boy Scout but it isn't in the same league as Pulp Fiction IMO.

I think Pulp Fiction, like Juno (which I think was entertaining but superficial and not insightful at all), became a phenomenon and was overrated. But Pulp Fiction's a great film and definitely deserved the Oscar nods it received.

"Its because 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to
much deeper and is supposed to be the product
of deep thought and sophistication."

You are just dead wrong about this. The film is called "Pulp Fiction", there's nothing deep about it and it's not sophisticated at all. Anyone who acts like it was some meaningful picture is an idiot. Yeah, there are some people who go into the whole suitcase but I really don't think most people feel this way. You are taking the fanboys of the film and extending their delusions to everyone.

If you are going to compare Pulp Fiction to a Shane Black film, compare it to Lethal Weapon, not The Last Boy Scout.

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31. "Lol. You are ethering yourself up in here, fam."
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>And I like Last Boy Scout but it isn't in the same league as
>Pulp Fiction IMO.

Okay.

Based on what?

Based on the fact that society told you that
'Pulp Fiction' was better?

Oh, okay. Just like I thought.

>I think Pulp Fiction, like Juno (which I think was
>entertaining but superficial and not insightful at all),
>became a phenomenon and was overrated. But Pulp Fiction's a
>great film and definitely deserved the Oscar nods it received.

Lol.

Based on what?

I thought you said it was superficial and fun?

How did it deserve Oscar nods? What about it
deserved Oscar nods?

I thought it had no thought put into it?


>You are just dead wrong about this. The film is called "Pulp
>Fiction", there's nothing deep about it and it's not
>sophisticated at all.

LOL.

You're contradicting yourself.

If "there's nothing deep about it and it's not
sophisticated at all," than why the fuck does it
deserve oscar nods?

How, and why, is it better than 'The Last
Boyscout?'

You stay contradicting yourself.

>Anyone who acts like it was some
>meaningful picture is an idiot.

"Pulp Fiction's a great film and definitely deserved the
Oscar nods it received."

^^^You said this.

Doesn't that make you an idiot?

> Yeah, there are some people
>who go into the whole suitcase but I really don't think most
>people feel this way. You are taking the fanboys of the film
>and extending their delusions to everyone.

No, you just said it its "better than the Last Boyscout"
and it deserved its oscar nods.

Yet you haven't provided a single reason WHY.

If its simple, fun, wacky fun, like you are saying,
than it DOES NOT DESERVE to be revered the way
it is.

Not more than 'The Last Boyscout' and definitely
not enough for no goddamn Oscar nod.

>If you are going to compare Pulp Fiction to a Shane Black
>film, compare it to Lethal Weapon, not The Last Boy Scout.

Lol.

Lethal Weapon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>'The Last Boyscout'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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33. "I think you've been sipping the latte"
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I think Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout in it's inventiveness, dialogue, story, and acting. I think those elements were all done at a high level in Pulp Fiction and that's why it deserved an Oscar nod.

You claim I'm contradicting myself because of the Oscar statement but I never said that a film had to be deep or meaningful to earn Oscar nods. I think great popcorn flicks are worthy of Oscars as well. Maybe you think a film needs to have some deep symbolism or make a statement to be great but I think that's pretty pretentious.

In fact, the only evidence you've given to not liking the film is because of fanboys and because it had a lasting impression on film. So if anything, you are the one forming opinions based on what other people say rather than your own opinion.

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34. "LOL. I suspect you're just joking at this stage."
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Because you can't be serious with this silly
plea copping.

I mean, wow.

You usually on point up in here, but you seriously
jumped the shark.


>I think Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout in
>it's inventiveness, dialogue, story, and acting. I think those
>elements were all done at a high level in Pulp Fiction and
>that's why it deserved an Oscar nod.

Inventiveness - What inventiveness? I thought a you
said a lot of thought and sophistication didn't
go into Pulp Fiction? That it was a simple cliche
that was witty and fun? Nothing about it was inventive,
or new, at all. It was a bunch of little tales
allegedly "tied(lol)" together through the loose
theme of "redemption(allegedly profound, when it
was not even done well, or meaningful in any way)"

Dialogue - The only reason why people quote PF
more than LBS is because its more popular, in part
because of the false legend surrounding its goodness. The
LBS was LOADED with great one-liners and
exchanges. At least as good.

And its funny how people cop pleas using the
dialogue argument: I've NEVER HEARD of a film
being liked SOLELY FOR ITS DIALOGUE until
'Pulp Fiction'. The thing is, that argument is
bullshit, because everyone knows that a dumbass
movie with great dialogue is still a dumbass
movie.

The reason people cop pleas with the dialogue
is because they NEED TO INVENT A REASON TO
TELL THEMSELVES THAT PF GOOD.

When they they get desperate, they resort to:

"Oh, the dialogue is sooooo, like, cool and shit,
dude."

^^^Bullshit. Just doing what they have to not
be left out of the dorm/office/coffee shop
conversations.


Acting - Lol. Bruce Willis was better in The Last Boyscout
than he was in Pulp Fiction. Much more range. Much more
complicated a character who had to deal with more things.
The difference is that The Last Boyscout was not hailed
as "profound" by the arthouse crowd, and so no one noticed.

I mean, there's no fucking comparison.

None.

And Sam Jackson?

Lol.

Sam Jackson in JUNGLE FEVER(in VERY limited action)>>>
>>>>Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

Hell, Sam Jackson in 'The Negotiator' >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

AGAIN - The ONLY REASON PEOPLE HAIL that performance
is because Pulp Fiction is SUPPOSED TO BE GREAT.
Wasn't nothing significant about his performance.

What, a bunch of witty lines as a hitman?

Lol.

GFTOH, son.

That nigga was as convincing a crackhead as I've
ever seen in 'Jungle Fever'. And I'm not saying you
gotta be a tragic character to give a great
performance.

He's been clever, and cool, and smart in other
flicks too. Way more than in Pulp Fiction.


Lol.

>You claim I'm contradicting myself because of the Oscar
>statement but I never said that a film had to be deep or
>meaningful to earn Oscar nods.

>I think great popcorn flicks
>are worthy of Oscars as well.

Oh, so 'Pulp Fiction' is a "popcorn flick?"

Lol.

So why then aren't other B-movie "popcorn flicks"
REGULARLY nominated(remember the 'My Cousin Vinny'
uproar?)?

You wanna know why?

Because the Academy DID NOT NOMINATE PULP FICTION
BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GODDAMN POPCORN
MOVIE.

They nominated it because it was SUPPOSED TO
BE "GREAT" AND "PROFOUND" and all the bullshit.

Fight it all you want to, but its true.

>Maybe you think a film needs to
>have some deep symbolism or make a statement to be great but I
>think that's pretty pretentious.

Lol.

No, I find it odd that allegedly B-movies and regular
popcorn flicks can be nominated, yet few in history
ever have.

I mean, 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' had some good
acting.

So did '16 Candles'.

Hell, so did 'Friday Night Lights'

Shit, 'Bruce Almighty' was clever as fuck.


I mean, exactly what the fuck are you missing here?


All of the above were comedies and b-movies.

All of the above had good performances.

None of the above were hailed like
'Pulp Fiction' was.

You wanna know why?

BECAUSE THE GODDAMN ACADEMY does NOT think that
'Pulp Fiction' is in the same LEAGUE or GENRE as
these movies...it does NOT consider 'Pulp Fiction'
to be a "popcorn movie" or a B-movie. The academy,
and the majority of the film critic crowd, considers
it much, much, much, much, much, more, which is why
motherfuckers cross examine Pulp Fiction like they
do.

You don't see niggas doing that with 'Teen Wolf',
even though they are both, in your words,
"Popcorn flicks('Teen Wolf' a far superior one,
of course)


>In fact, the only evidence you've given to not liking the film
>is because of fanboys and because it had a lasting impression
>on film. So if anything, you are the one forming opinions
>based on what other people say rather than your own opinion.

Oh, no.

I think its a silly, irrelevant movie.

But I think pretentious dickheads like Tarantino
make it difficult for SOLID, STRONG, STORYTELLERS
to get their shine on, which is a practical concern.

I mean, I'm not even in the art industry. I'm a fan.

I'm just saying that I can sniff out and call bullshit
when I see it.

And the legend surrounding 'Pulp Fiction' is just
that:

Some bullshit.

  

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35. "So we disagree"
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I don't think it's copping pleas when it's my opinion of the film.

Inventiveness: IMO there weren't many films like Pulp Fiction out there before it came out. Call it mood, tone, whatever, it was different. I thought the timeline and tone and talkyness was new and, at the time, fresh. It's been done to death but it was IMO inventive when it came out.

To me the dialogue was far better in Pulp Fiction than Last Boy Scout. Lasy Boy Scout had some quality lines but I don't think it compares to Pulp Fiction. Again, I think Pulp Fiction is more comparable to Lethal Weapon. And dialogue was one of the aspects I noted. I didn't say it was a dumb movie with great dialogue. I liked the movie itself.

>The reason people cop pleas with the dialogue
>is because they NEED TO INVENT A REASON TO
>TELL THEMSELVES THAT PF GOOD.

Why would I have to invent reasons? I could see people inventing reasons to like Jackie Brown because they built up QT so much but I genuinely liked Pulp Fiction.

I'd say Bruce Willis was as good in Pulp Fiction. Damon Wayans was miscast IMO. I thought Sam Jackson and Travolta were great as was Uma Thurman. Again, I just don't see how you can compare the two. If QT had written a scene as ludicrous as Billy Blanks blowing his head off at a football game, you'd have a field day with it.

>Sam Jackson in JUNGLE FEVER(in VERY limited action)>>>
>>>>>Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

And? Did I say it was Sam Jackson's best role? No. But I think everyone gave very good performances and raised the level of the film.

>So why then aren't other B-movie "popcorn flicks"
>REGULARLY nominated(remember the 'My Cousin Vinny'
>uproar?)?
>
>You wanna know why?
>
>Because the Academy DID NOT NOMINATE PULP FICTION
>BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GODDAMN POPCORN
>MOVIE.

It's pulp fiction. If people thought it was more than that, I don't know what to tell you. Popcorn flicks get nominated. The year Pulp Fiction was nominated it was up against Four Weddings and a Funeral. Hell, Titanic was basically a popcorn flick IMO. THe Fugitive was nominated. Juno was just a teen movie and got nominated. Back to the Future was nominated for best screenplay, at least. It happens. Pulp Fiction is one of the few indie popcorn flicks. And I think more popcorn flicks should get nominated over stuff like Gangs of New York.

>I think its a silly, irrelevant movie.

And I think it's a great popcorn movie. One of the best ever? It's not even the best film of it's year; I'll take Shawshank over it any day.

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37. "HAHAHA. You're still COPPING PLEAS"
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>Inventiveness: IMO there weren't many films like Pulp Fiction
>out there before it came out. Call it mood, tone, whatever, it
>was different. I thought the timeline and tone and talkyness
>was new and, at the time, fresh. It's been done to death but
>it was IMO inventive when it came out.

Lol.

"Mood, tone, whatever" = you manufacturing a reason to
like the movie. Wasn't shit interesting about its "mood"
or "tone." It had no "mood." It was stupid, slickster
crime story bullshit that has already been done a thousand
fucking times.

Even worse, HE JUST HAD THE SAME "TONE" in Resevoir Dogs...
....done better in my opinion....Lol.

You're making it "inventive," again, because you don't
know how to think for yourself.


>To me the dialogue was far better in Pulp Fiction than Last
>Boy Scout. Lasy Boy Scout had some quality lines but I don't
>think it compares to Pulp Fiction. Again, I think Pulp Fiction
>is more comparable to Lethal Weapon. And dialogue was one of
>the aspects I noted. I didn't say it was a dumb movie with
>great dialogue. I liked the movie itself.

'Lethal Weapon' was 300,000 times better than Pulp Fiction
in every single possible way:

Story, performance, coolness factor, dialogue, inventiveness,
everything.

So please, STFU.


>Why would I have to invent reasons? I could see people
>inventing reasons to like Jackie Brown because they built up
>QT so much but I genuinely liked Pulp Fiction.

No, you didn't.

You in here talking shit about "mood" and "tone" which
are subjective enough that you don't have to justify it,
which is perfect because that is precisely the type of
plea cop you need to defend your liking a bad movie

("Dude, I like, really dug its mooood, like oh my god.")


>I'd say Bruce Willis was as good in Pulp Fiction. Damon Wayans
>was miscast IMO.

Lol. How?

How the fuck was Damon Wayans miscast?

How?

GTFOH.

Damon was excellent.

Now you're just INVENTING REASONS to hate on 'The Last
Boyscout' just so you can justify liking 'Pulp Fiction'
better.

And Willis was DEFINITELY NOT better in 'Pulp Fiction'.

Just look at the DEPTH AND RANGE in the character in
'The Last Boyscout'.

No fucking comparison.

Y'all hilarious with the plea coppage.

>I thought Sam Jackson and Travolta were great
>as was Uma Thurman.

Are you serious? Uma?

What did she do? Act cool?

Lol. Wow. Y'all STAY on some bullshit.

>Again, I just don't see how you can
>compare the two. If QT had written a scene as ludicrous as
>Billy Blanks blowing his head off at a football game, you'd
>have a field day with it.

That shit was dope. Football players be depressive
and fucked up on drugs, and gambling is a huge problem
in sports...sure, its over the top, but in a sensible way.
The shit had rhyme and reason.


>And? Did I say it was Sam Jackson's best role? No. But I think
>everyone gave very good performances and raised the level of
>the film.

Riiiight.


>It's pulp fiction. If people thought it was more than that, I
>don't know what to tell you. Popcorn flicks get nominated. The
>year Pulp Fiction was nominated it was up against Four
>Weddings and a Funeral.

Lol. 'Four Weddings and a Funeral' was faaaaaaaaaar better
than 'Pulp Fiction' and is not SERIOUS or SAD, but is not
a B-movie by any stretch.

> Hell, Titanic was basically a popcorn
>flick IMO.

Are you comparing a 200 million dollar mega production
to some dumbass slickster crime tale?

Wow.

Now you're just copping pleas.

'Titanic' was boring and long and not very good.

It was, however, a mega production, and not a goddamn
"popcorn flick" in the same vein as Pulp Fiction.

That's what I mean by COPPING PLEAS. You're just INVENTING
REASONS to justify liking a bad movie.

>THe Fugitive was nominated.

Can't for the life of me understand why you brought
this up. This had some of the illest performances
of the 90s.

>Juno was just a teen
>movie and got nominated. Back to the Future was nominated for
>best screenplay, at least.

Are you comparing the screenplay quality of
'Back to the Future' to that of 'Pulp Fiction?'

Are you fucking joking?

'Back to the Future' had one of the best written, most
thought out, well put together storylines in the history
of film.

What did 'Pulp Fiction' have?

Slickster dialogue?

Lol.

Seriously doggie, GTFOHWTBS

>And I think it's a great popcorn movie.

Okay, like 'Teen Wolf' and '16 Candles?'

Maybe 'Bruce Almighty?'

Maybe in the 'Tango and Cash' sort
of genre

I can see that.

>One of the best ever?
>It's not even the best film of it's year; I'll take Shawshank
>over it any day.

Thanks, captain obvious.

I needed you to tell me that 'Shawshank Redemption' was
better than 'Pulp Fiction'.

Wow.

Lol

  

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39. ""Over the top but in a sensible way""
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>That shit was dope. Football players be depressive
>and fucked up on drugs, and gambling is a huge problem
>in sports...sure, its over the top, but in a sensible way.

To me, that scene makes the microprocessor deal in The Departed look like a documentary. Someone text messaging in their pocket is beyond preposterous yet sneaking a gun on the field and blowing your brains out is sensible? I'm sorry but "Sure it's over the top, but in a sensible way" is almost the definition of copping pleas.
---

As for the rest of this, there's really no point.

You presented an opposing argument that I, and I don't think anyone else in this post, agrees with.

"Its because 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to
much deeper and is supposed to be the product
of deep thought and sophistication."

You then moved forward with a premise that there's some vast conspiracy to convince people to love Pulp Fiction and that anyone who liked Pulp Fiction doesn't actually like it, they are just brainwashed.

And you finish with the fact that some arguments are just too subjective to make as if most discussions about film have a definite right or wrong answer.

I'd say "in the end" but this exercise in typing really has no end so I'll just stop.

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41. "Now you're just being silly, cuzzo."
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>To me, that scene makes the microprocessor deal in The
>Departed look like a documentary. Someone text messaging in
>their pocket is beyond preposterous yet sneaking a gun on the
>field and blowing your brains out is sensible? I'm sorry but
>"Sure it's over the top, but in a sensible way" is almost the
>definition of copping pleas.

Um, how about this one:

Action films are *always* supposed to be over the top,
because that is why we go and watch the motherfuckers.

'Diehard' - completely over-the-top and ridiculous. The good
thing is, its brilliant, and well written, so the over the
top-ness is in a context such that we don't just walk out
of the theater thinking we saw a film that took place on
Middle Earth.

Same with most of the shit in 'Lethal Weapon'.

Same with 'The Last Boyscout'

For you to deny that is just to be a childish little
bitch all because I've shat all over your favorite movie.

Say you don't like 'The Last Boyscout' more than 'Pulp
Fiction'. You'd be wrong, but it'd be okay.

Don't say, however, that action films aren't supposed
to be over-the-top, and don't, at all, say that over-the-
topness can't be well written enough that its sensible
and enjoyable.

And the thing about that scene in 'The Departed', what
makes it so terrible and horrible is this:

IT WASN'T A STUNT, or an ACTION SEQUENCE. If it some
really crazy action sequence, it might have been over
the top, but as long as it was written well and in
context, we could have all just written it off to
it being a film and still enjoyed it.

That wasn't what happened in 'The Departed'. It was
an ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL SCENE IN THE ENTIRE FILM, and
they resolve it through magical Star Wars text messaging
powers!!! <----FUCKING PATHETIC

And that is nothing like 'The Last Boyscout'.

Coked-out, drugged-out player in a corrupt league?

Meh.

over-the-top, but the ingredients for all of the above
actually exist:

Gambling has ruined sports and athletes before.

Drugs have ruined sports before.

Football players have carried shit onto the field.

It was completely over the top.

Just the way it was supposed to be.

It didn't, however, defy fundamental laws of physics,
eyesight, and text messaging ability though.


>As for the rest of this, there's really no point.
>
>You presented an opposing argument that I, and I don't think
>anyone else in this post, agrees with.

Say word?

>"Its because 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to
>much deeper and is supposed to be the product
>of deep thought and sophistication."

>You then moved forward with a premise that there's some vast
>conspiracy to convince people to love Pulp Fiction and that
>anyone who liked Pulp Fiction doesn't actually like it, they
>are just brainwashed.

Not exactly what I said, but do you.


>I'd say "in the end" but this exercise in typing really has no
>end so I'll just stop.

Okay, good for you.

  

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40. "Some of y'all never learn, do you?"
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Don't fight with O_E about Pulp Fiction. Cuz you know he doesn't like it, and you know some of his points are spot on.

The main issue people can hold with Pulp Fiction is that it's style over substance. I like Pulp Fiction, but this is true. I'd say this is true of all but one of QT's films (I'm a Jackie Brown man myself... it's the only one where the relationships really transcend completely the hip ironic dialogue imo).

THEN the issue that THAT causes is that critics who enjoyed it can't simply enjoy a flick for what it is. So they have to analyze into it. And I've read full books on Tarantinian ethic codes, long lists of allusions QT ties together seamlessly in a brilliant fashion, and shot-by-shot analysis of what each frame of the film means. When I would imagine that QT didn't think while making it that he was doing anything revolutionary. He hasn't in any of his flicks-- he just makes critically acceptable genres of film that critics traditionally hate by adding flashy dialogue, a sure-handed eye for visuals, and some cool actors.

The bottom line is, this is a guy who admittedly spent his childhood watching B-movies incessantly. He watched kung fu, blaxploitation, grindhouse flicks, et cetera. He's never gonna be interested in capturing the subtleties of relationships, human drama, or even anything that isn't either cool, bloody, or both. Look at his films. Look at the films he's written. Look at the films he's produced (horror and kung fu). Look at his upcoming project (the war movie which undoubtedly will be far more The Dirty Dozen than Saving Private Ryan). The guy is basically a little kid who is brilliant at recreating the B-movie genres he loves so much.

While having someone with QT's pizzazz does make these films very enjoyable, they shouldn't have been elevated past the critical levels of "fun, entertaining, refreshing" and so forth. But movie critics tend to not be able to simply enjoy an auteur for what he/she is. So that's where the overly in-depth analysis comes in. And having read a lot of it for this paper I'm working on, I can safely say some people have faaaar too much time on their hands. If Pulp Fiction was a critic's favorite flick of the year, then that's totally fine, but don't create reasons why you like it, just say it's fun and entertaining-- shit, X-Men 2 is one of my favorite films of the last decade, but I'm not trying to analyze it to death.

So while I don't agree with the fervor with which O_E hates Pulp Fiction, I think it's clear that in between the lists of elements that sucked in the movie and the mentions of how big his dick is, mang, he makes good points about how the critical reception of Pulp Fiction (and QT's career, really) has really inhibited the ability to enjoy QT's works as what they are: flashy, star-studded, hip and cool B-movies. Outside of Jackie Brown, if you look at the film by itself and try to ignore the critical reception and its context in modern film history, I'd say that's just about all they are.

I doubt even the most fervent Pulp Fiction supporters would disagree with that (well, most of you anyway). Just don't let O_E's swagger blind you to the points he's making as to why he hates Pulp Fiction. If all you see is the swagger, then we're gonna end up with yet another 200-reply deep post of circular argument of "It sucks-no it doesn't- pleas copped- you're mad- no you're mad-etc." lol

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53. "ah, more mind reading"
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> He watched kung fu,
>blaxploitation, grindhouse flicks, et cetera. He's never gonna
>be interested in capturing the subtleties of relationships,
>human drama, or even anything that isn't either cool, bloody,
>or both.

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66. "That's not mind reading. That's looking at facts and interpreting."
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FACT: B-movies are his favorite thing, and he spent years watching nothing but B-movies and shitty TV shows. He's said this on many, many occasions.

FACT: He makes films which are throwbacks to the genres he loves. See: every film he's made or written.

FACT: Those genres are known for being cool, bloody, exploitative, and entertaining. Again, see damn near every film in the genres QT has sourced himself.

INTERPRETATION: These are the films QT has made, and has stated he will continue to make for his coming projects, so he will continue to make them throughout his career.

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74. "you don't 'interpret' a human being"
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but those 'facts' are so lopsided
yes, unlike most people he celebrates b-movies and other forgotten cinema
- he's also seen virtually every* other movie (of significant budget) made, from film noir, to historical epic, to Shakespeare plays, to westerns, to romantic comedies (not to mention consumption of other types of culture, as if that doesn't count)

yes, unlike most his films (to varying degrees) are highly aware of cinematic history
- that does not mean his films are not attempts to make something new

'I NEVER do proper genre films' - Quentin Tarantino
'It's my job to be interested in other people's humanity and not just write about myself.' - Quentin Tarantino

*well, obviously not EVERY other movie, but my point is: a shitload of other movies

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76. "Yes, actually... you can. Those people are called historians."
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84. "FACT: A load of B movies are really smart"
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Being lurid does not make them intellectually vacant. Not by a long shot.

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he has watched way more than just b movies and shitty tv.

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94. "I'm not trying to imply that they're vapid."
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I'm just trying to say that after watching and researching these films, I fail to see how there's much "deeper" in these. I don't think QT doesn't know what he's doing (except when it comes to dealing with matters of race, a different topic), but I don't think he's going for 7/8ths of the deeper meaning I've read about. It's a backlash to overexposure and overanalysis.

And I know he's watched more. I think he's said his favorite movie is Red River. But his flicks have been explorations of these B-movie genres, first and foremost.

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127. "in fact, there's a quote from Tarantino where he says"
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he's thinking about doing a movie about slavery in the south, in the plantations, exploring a topic that mainstream american culture rarely faces up to, but framing it as a spaghetti western

obviously he's not actually made this film , but it demonstrates the idea of using b-movie culture as a FILTER through which a broader human/historical issue can be examined

i mean, Tarantino is up on this stuff. He reads subtextual film criticism. He even plotted Death Proof, his most blatantly 'depthless' film, in response to some analysis he'd read about slasher movie conventions (he aimed to undermine the conventions)

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128. "LOL"
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>i mean, Tarantino is up on this stuff. He reads subtextual
>film criticism. He even plotted Death Proof, his most
>blatantly 'depthless' film, in response to some analysis he'd
>read about slasher movie conventions (he aimed to undermine
>the conventions)

Great, so he responded to analysis that he read about
slasher movie conventions by making a shitty, horrible,
poorly written, poorly shot, poorly directed waste of
time and space?

That's brilliant.

I mean, even Tarantino's biggest fans say he
completely jumped the shark with that bullshit.

It sucked and it wasn't responding to anything.

  

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58. "my only gripe is the "people like it because they're told to" cop out"
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because it basically calls us sheep and snobs at the same time for liking the movie
and labels all analysis of the film, even if it makes sense, just people "making up reasons to like it"
or overanalyzing
but it goes both ways
yes you can argue the movie is mostly style
but you can also argue that the style is there to serve a point in the context of cultural analysis
without rehashing the millions of different critiques of the film
to say they're all just people making up shit to try to legitimize it's popularity
negates the validity of what they say
just like saying "oh you just don't get it" negates people who don't like it
basically people can like whatever they want
but if they like pulp fiction
there's a lotta ammunition in popular opinion and years of writing and analysis they can use to back up the idea of it as a good film
and for the people who don't
they have "oh, you niggas just making up shit because you wanna be cool like the people who like it."



i said it.

  

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68. "But here's the problem."
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A lot of the "writing and analysis" reeks of folks trying to justify that a fun movie speaks miles and miles deeper than it does.

I mean, I read in college a 20-page essay on what the film "Bones" said about black culture, in particular the image of the evil dog in a thug-filled world. And sure, some people might be able to look at see that. But was Snoop thinking that while making it? Were the writers/directors? Does every rap video that includes a barking dog trying to make a statement about that image in African-American popular culture today?

No. They just think barking dogs look badass and shit.

So there's some good analysis of Pulp Fiction, of course. Most of it has to do with its context in modern film history, and the impact it made. But there really has been a ton of bullshit written about it too.

I think a big reason it got cemented in film history the way that it did wasn't just the spinoffs, but the fact that this bloody entertaining flick ALMOST won Best Picture, but in the end lost to the schmaltzy shit that the Academy loves giving awards to. And so I feel in response to that, a lot of fans of the film (or maybe people who just weren't feelin Gump) wrote a ton about the revelance/context/importance of the film. If you look at criticism, the overwhelming majority begins the year after it was released, after it lost to Forrest Gump. So maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know.

And yes, O_E calls names. But y'all should've learned to ignore that by now. Just read between.

>because it basically calls us sheep and snobs at the same
>time for liking the movie
>and labels all analysis of the film, even if it makes sense,
>just people "making up reasons to like it"
>or overanalyzing
>but it goes both ways
>yes you can argue the movie is mostly style
>but you can also argue that the style is there to serve a
>point in the context of cultural analysis
>without rehashing the millions of different critiques of the
>film
>to say they're all just people making up shit to try to
>legitimize it's popularity
>negates the validity of what they say
>just like saying "oh you just don't get it" negates people who
>don't like it
>basically people can like whatever they want
>but if they like pulp fiction
>there's a lotta ammunition in popular opinion and years of
>writing and analysis they can use to back up the idea of it as
>a good film
>and for the people who don't
>they have "oh, you niggas just making up shit because you
>wanna be cool like the people who like it."
>
>
>
>i said it.

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72. "true, but his argument is still bullshit"
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because he's calling his opinion a fact and backing it up with more opinion
i didn't see pulp fiction in the theater
but i know what you're talking about in terms of the critiques that came after the oscars on some bandwagon type shit
but if you concede that the critiques themselves aren't all bullshit, then that's a moot point
it's all relative to which articles, books, essays or whatever else you're referring to
like the observation of the film's repeated technique of extending dialogue that builds anticipation for climactic scenes legitmately makes the movie funnier and better to some people
to some people it makes it boring and random
but that's an observation that a lot of writers write about that isn't bullshit
while all the shit about the suitcase having some magic power is clearly overanalysis
every movie is subject to that
but i personally can't buy that the movie's total success rests solely on some grand accident of gross misinterpretation, flashy style, oscar race marketing, and bandwagon popularity
i think that some of it was deliberate on taratino and co's part


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98. "this singlehandedly justifies my Duke hate"
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>I mean, I read in college a 20-page essay on what the film
>"Bones" said about black culture, in particular the image of
>the evil dog in a thug-filled world.

and lack of respect for liberal arts studies in general - LOL

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104. "well my second statement still applies"
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... and regardless, fuck Duke.

LOL

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90. "yeah, that sort of ranting is wild micro..."
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...which is cool, as this is a movie discussion forum

but as a cat who saw the flick the week it came out? shit was dope.


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121. "You should really apologize to OE"
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Because he makes all of the points you made but his posts are a lot more fun to read. I don't know why you think your post is somehow clearer than his. You simply replaced his swagger with self-righteousness.

Because guess what? I still disagree.

Guess why? Because I really liked Pulp Fiction.

Pulp Fiction is... pulp fiction. Most people in this thread are saying it is just that. But I personally believe it is pulp fiction that is extremely well-executed and therefore deserves praise. Do some people go overboard? Of course. But that doesn't mean that suddenly it should be tossed aside as the equivalent to Walking Tall or Innocent Blood.

-- "While having someone with QT's pizzazz does make these films very enjoyable, they shouldn't have been elevated past the critical levels of "fun, entertaining, refreshing" and so forth."

Really? "Very enjoyable" and "fun, entertaining, and refreshing" aren't key elements to a great film? It's funny that after spending all of this time damning critics for being pretentious with their analysis of QT, you come back and act like only films that truly investigate the soul of a relationship should be held with high esteem. Apparently there's a ceiling on how high one can laud a "very enjoyable" "fun, entertaining, and refreshing film". It's sad that critics don't realize that.

And about the critics: You spend the entire post discussing critics when the point of this thread is whether people HERE liked Pulp Fiction. Unless you are insinuating what OE is willing to say out loud: that people only like Pulp Fiction because critics liked Pulp Fiction, I have no idea what all that was for.

Oh wait, I remember, it's for the strawman.

"If Pulp Fiction was a critic's favorite flick of the year, then that's totally fine, but don't create reasons why you like it, just say it's fun and entertaining-- shit, X-Men 2 is one of my favorite films of the last decade, but I'm not trying to analyze it to death."

Critics overanalyzed it. People here didn't. You spent two and half paragraphs on critics and then spun it as "don't create reason why you like it" as if that is what posters here are doing. People say they like it and then get "Bullshit, explain why it's good" and then they explain what they liked and are said to be creating subjective reasons for liking it (again, as if there's a legit right or wrong in terms of liking films) or overanalyzing it.

And your argument against Pulp Fiction is to overanalyze the analysis. You just spent an entire post explaining why Pulp Fiction is overrated and you barely discussed the actual film. In fact, you pretty much gave it nothing but praise (even calling QT "brilliant") with the only downside being that it is a superficial popcorn movie (which apparently by definition can't be considered "great" or held in high esteem)

I know it may be hard to believe but I just liked the movie. I didn't like it because some critics loved it nor did I try to legitimize the film with some some deep introspection like, oh, I don't know, "I believe Jenkins has optimism for the life we have, even if the end of that life can be a sad, ugly process."

(And no, I'm not comparing Pulp Fiction to The Savages. Because Pulp Fiction was superficial and great while The Savages tried to be deep and was terrible, and if you disagree with my take on The Savages, you are just overanalyzing it. Oh, and don't try to point out any critical accolades because then you are just a sheep following the latte herd.)

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42. "I like it, I liked it when i 1st saw it, and I'll always like"
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Great film, Sam Jackson pretty much makes the film for me, and the I like the way it's done.

Anything else to the contrary is just your opinion.

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45. "Brilliant"
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>Great film, Sam Jackson pretty much makes the film for me,
>and the I like the way it's done.

Sam Jackson isn't even in most of the movie, kitko.

^^^Exhibit A


>Anything else to the contrary is just your opinion.

My correct opinion, that is.

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69. "I was about to do something stupid and get into an exchange"
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about this with you

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82. "^^^Scared to death, scared to look."
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89. "LMAO"
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Get out the room,
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135. "U are very bright but quite the asshole"
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I hope you are not as insufferable in real everyday life lol. If so god help those who have to work with or are related to u. I by the way loved Pulp fiction. I've never seen someone spend so much intellectial capital arguing about something they don't like. Like someone said above u protest way too much.

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49. "Hmmm, I've seen this movie before."
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52. "i can see the backlash angle, or the over-analysis angle"
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i get that...

but for those of you who, like me, watched the film on its premiere night way back in 1994 (i remember the night vividly) with only vague knowledge of QT and basically no idea what the movie would be about, and left the theater in an elevated state—enervated, thrilled, inspired—well, you had to have been there. Sure Internet over-analysis exists, but not in 1994.

This movie had a profound effect on a lot of people my age, it was a true Zeitgeist film and of course that leads to inevitable hype (and backlash) but let's take it back to when it first came out in theaters, before ainitcoolnews.com, before incessant blog teasers and the like. I went to the theater with no expectations and no idea of what I was going to see, and I remember the palpable joy we all felt as theater-goers upon leaving the theater. Some people went right back in to watch it a second time.

It sounds corny but it's true. Everything else, 14 years later, it's the nature of popular culture, and this film has run its course.

But as a truly influential, thought-provoking piece of art—love it or hate it—Pulp fiction will be remembered for generations to come.

  

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55. "Wow. I'm...speechless, fam."
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I mean, wow.

And you actually believe that shit.

This is exactly what I mean.

>This movie had a profound effect on a lot of people my age, it
>was a true Zeitgeist film

Wow.

Wow.

This nigga said "Zeitgeist" film.

If I could smack you with the organic vegan
brownie that you're eating, I would.


>But as a truly influential, thought-provoking piece of
>art—love it or hate it—Pulp fiction will be remembered for
>generations to come.

I mean, can I rest my case?

Are y'all reading this shit?

Fellas - obviously ^^^This guy thought it was
profound and meaningful.

Hate on him and his perspective the same
way you do mine, and don't cop pleas for why
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67. "yep, speechless cuz he ethered the fuck out of your whole BS argument"
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Your main "point", if we can call it that, is that the movie sucks and everyone likes it only because it's cool to like Pulp Fiction. Because "pop culture" told them it was good.

But he is sitting there telling you that he saw it with no expectations, no hype, no critics and no pop culture telling him it was something special... just him watching a movie.

And he was basically blown away by a great fucking movie. As I was. As were thousands of other moviegoers when the movie came out.

How did the movie get that supposedly undeserved praise and acclaim in the first place?


You can hate the movie. There are people who don't like the movie, as there are for every movie ever made. No one gives a shit, because no movie is for everyone.

But to claim that people "make up reasons" to like it because they want to be cool hipsters and fit in with popular culture --- that argument has no weight whatsoever.

Because people loved the movie before it was cool to love the movie.

So WHY would they "make up" reasons to like the movie?

And who the fuck are you to tell someone which reasons for liking something are valid, and which are "made up"? (answer = no one special, but clearly someone who's self-deluded to the contrary)


Use of the word "zeitgeist" aside, I agree pretty strongly with virtually everything homie said.

And I'm already done arguing with you. You rarely make cogent points, yet spend an excessive amount of time congratulating yourself anyway.

  

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79. "Whyteth are thou panties in a bunch?"
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>Your main "point", if we can call it that, is that the movie
>sucks and everyone likes it only because it's cool to like
>Pulp Fiction. Because "pop culture" told them it was good.

Actually, I have many points, good ones.

You are just honing in on that one because its the
one that makes you the most uncomfortable, probably
because something I said is true.

>But he is sitting there telling you that he saw it with no
>expectations, no hype, no critics and no pop culture telling
>him it was something special... just him watching a movie.

Okay, than he likes it without the dumbass influences
of people. His opinions are still unsubstantiated, and
he still DISAGREES with Soulhonky and company who say that
its good because its simple, fun, slick and humor.

This cat is talking about its a brilliant profound
movie that will be remembered for generations.

I'm saying that it certainly does not deserve to be.

And you all forget that the hype for Pulp Fiction
actually began BEFORE it came out.

It wasn't an arthouse movie, at all.

The shit was at many major theatres and made good
doe at the box office, especially when you consider
it being rated R and all.


>And he was basically blown away by a great fucking movie. As I
>was. As were thousands of other moviegoers when the movie came
>out.

No, you weren't.

There is nothing about it worthy of being "blown away"
by.

Ask Sanjuro(who liked it).

Ask Soulhonky(who liked it).

Ask Frank Longo(who liked it).

None of the above think it had any depth to it.


>How did the movie get that supposedly undeserved praise and
>acclaim in the first place?

Ever hear of hype?

It happens, you know.

Happens to all sorts of shit that doesn't deserve it.

Hell, 'American Beauty' has an Oscar for best picture,
for god's sakes.

>But to claim that people "make up reasons" to like it because
>they want to be cool hipsters and fit in with popular culture
>--- that argument has no weight whatsoever.

Sure it does.

It has plenty of weight.

As for you all who were "blown away" the first time...well...
you guys are worse, since you are the ones who STARTED
the hype bandwagon that an entire bandwagon decided to hop on.

You're no better.


>So WHY would they "make up" reasons to like the movie?

Because people like you had already manufactured it
as a masterpiece for no reason.

>And who the fuck are you to tell someone which reasons for
>liking something are valid, and which are "made up"? (answer =
>no one special, but clearly someone who's self-deluded to the
>contrary)

I've been plenty fair.

In THIS VERY THREAD I got about 8 different opinions on
why it was good.

Some of the people WHO LIKE THE FILM say that peopel who
think its anything more than a fun, slick movie are "idiots."

That would be you, DonKnutts, and this Damaja cat.

And mind you, a FELLOW PULP FICTION FAN SAID THAT.

Not O_E.

So be mad at your fellow fanboys.


>Use of the word "zeitgeist" aside, I agree pretty strongly
>with virtually everything homie said.

Yeah, that Zeitgeist shit was forgettable. I'm glad you
thought it was as retarded as I did.

>And I'm already done arguing with you. You rarely make cogent
>points, yet spend an excessive amount of time congratulating
>yourself anyway.

Yeah, well, I'm nice with mines.

And I do make cogent arguments, and you know that.

  

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145. "Yes and No."
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>But as a truly influential, thought-provoking piece of
>art—love it or hate it—Pulp fiction will be remembered for
>generations to come.

Truly influential: You can't disagree with this. You've complained that the film has continued to influence filmmakers so obviously it has connected to a lot of people in the film industry and since there's been so much overanalysis on the web, it's also connected to many film fans as well.

Thought-provoking: I can't agree with this. Zeitgeist is an overstatement unless the argument is that the spiritual and cultural mood of the 90's was superficial (which one could make, I guess, but then it wouldn't be a compliment). Still, I agree with you that claiming that this film was thought-provoking is giving it more credit that it deserves.

To me, you two are the extremes: people who love it too much and raise it above the level of pulp fiction and people who hate it for reasons other than the actual film itself.

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136. "U got it right"
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I had exactly the same experinece. I rarely leave a film feeling the way I felt after viewing that film. It was a relevation plan and simple. There was no QT hype at that time. Pulp Fiction came right out of the blue. Those of us who saw it Pre-hype and Pre-critical overkill can't be talked out of liking it based on some critical analysis. We didn't think it, we felt it.

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56. "what was so good about it?"
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Well, most famously the original and elegant use of timeshift and multiple, interwoven storylines. Add to that the foregrounding of conversational dialogue which allowed the film to have wonderfully nuanced characters and constant humour and many memorable scenes/lines. Not forgetting the brilliant use of music (not score) and filming techniques (like the special emulsion celluloid they used to give the diner scene its richness). But most IMPORTANTLY the textual (perhaps intertextual) and moral depth that underpins the films status as a masterpiece of cinema.

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57. "Jesus H. Christ."
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>Well, most famously the original and elegant use of timeshift
>and multiple, interwoven storylines.

You mean, that some characters appeared in different
stories and that the stories were out of order.

Don't see what's so good about that.

>Add to that the
>foregrounding of conversational dialogue which allowed the
>film to have wonderfully nuanced characters and constant
>humour

Funny lines and catchy dialogue.

Still don't see what's so "nuanced" about the characters.

Just because Travolta and Jackson discuss the Netherlands
doesn't mean they are "nuanced."

The characters in 'The Last Boyscout' were
far more nuanced.

>and many memorable scenes/lines.

Just like 'The Last Boyscout'

>Not forgetting the
>brilliant use of music (not score)

Where? I've never even heard this. Fans of the movie
have never said this and no one in this post has
mentioned it.

That means that it isn't even noteworthy to its
fans.

In which case you're just inventing reasons
to like it.

>and filming techniques
>(like the special emulsion celluloid they used to give the
>diner scene its richness)

Jesus H. Christ.

> But most IMPORTANTLY the textual
>(perhaps intertextual) and moral depth that underpins the
>films status as a masterpiece of cinema.

"Moral Depth."

I'm taking a nap.


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59. "???"
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>>Not forgetting the
>>brilliant use of music (not score)
>
>Where? I've never even heard this. Fans of the movie
>have never said this and no one in this post has
>mentioned it.
>
>That means that it isn't even noteworthy to its
>fans.
>
>In which case you're just inventing reasons
>to like it.

don't know where you've been, but Pulp Fiction was wildly (over-)praised for its music... so have been subsequent QT films, but Pulp in particular was singled out for its "brilliant" and "eclectic" soundtrack, time and again.

the soundtrack was a staple in every college student/hipster CD collection in the 90s.

how did you miss that?

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60. "kap... just don't"
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for all we know he was still using a highchair when that film came out

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61. "Lol. You just answered your own question, kitko."
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Mon Apr-21-08 01:39 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

Einstein.

>don't know where you've been, but Pulp Fiction was wildly
>(over-)praised for its music... so have been subsequent QT
>films, but Pulp in particular was singled out for its
>"brilliant" and "eclectic" soundtrack, time and again.

So, basically the same people who over-appreciate
the film for being "brilliant" and "eclectic"
also said its soundtrack was "brilliant" and
"eclectic."

Thanks.

And even if the music was "brilliant and
eclectic", good thing I can just listen to the soundtrack
and not watch the movie, because the soundtrack does
not make the movie. Lots of mediocre movies have dope
soundtracks.

And even better -- not a single person in this
thread, or any thread I've read here about 'Pulp
Fiction' has *specifically* traced their
enjoyment of the film to it having a great
soundtrack.


>the soundtrack was a staple in every college student/hipster
>CD collection in the 90s.
>how did you miss that?


How did I miss that?



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63. "nice attempt to evade, but no cigar."
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>So, basically the same people who over-appreciate
>the film for being "brilliant" and "eclectic"
>also said its soundtrack was "brilliant" and
>"eclectic."
>
>Thanks.

no. that's not what i said.

you said that you had NEVER heard ANYONE praise the music, when that was one of the main things that was praised.

in fact, for a long time it became a cliche to associate Pulp with jheri-curl wigs, black suits and cool tunes by Dusty Springfield and Urge Overkill

in addition, that soundtrack made a whole generation of white people discover Al Green and Kool & the Gang's "funky" period.

whether or not you or i actually believe the soundtrack is "brilliant" or "eclectic" is really irrelevant... if you search "Pulp Fiction" on Google now, you can barely throw a rock without hitting some kind of praise for the soundtrack.
it's nothing as complicated as you want to make it.

so yeah... how did you miss that?


>And even if the music was "brilliant and
>eclectic", good thing I can just listen to the soundtrack
>and not watch the movie, because the soundtrack does
>not make the movie. Lots of mediocre movies have dope
>soundtracks.

irrelevant.

i never argued that the movie was good or bad.

you said that Damaja was "inventing" the praise for the soundtrack.

i pointed out that the soundtrack was, in fact, widely praised.

your feelings about the movie itself have nothing to do with anything... you were just wrong.

>And even better -- not a single person in this
>thread, or any thread I've read here about 'Pulp
>Fiction' has *specifically* traced their
>enjoyment of the film to it having a great
>soundtrack.

i'm glad you've graciously revealed your cognitive process for us.

so basically... it's safe to assume that most--if not all--of your knowledge/opinions of Pulp Fiction are based pretty much on what OTHER people say about it, specifically people in PTP.

nice to know.


>>the soundtrack was a staple in every college student/hipster
>>CD collection in the 90s.
>>how did you miss that?
>
>
>How did I miss that?
>
>Because Orbit_Established is/was/and has never
>been a motherfucking hipster.

me neither... but considering the fact that i associate with other humans, i sometimes am privy to their particular tastes and propensities.

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64. "Hmm. I sense madness in your keystrokes."
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Mon Apr-21-08 02:24 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

I mean, if you're going to come to someone's
rescue, don't be mad about it.

Remember: I didn't direct that shitty film.

Tarantino did.

Lol.

>no. that's not what i said.
>
>you said that you had NEVER heard ANYONE praise the music,
>when that was one of the main things that was praised.

Lol.

Wrong.

I was talking about within the context of this post,
and was talking about people using it as a *specific*
reason why they liked the film.

I've heard people PRAISE all kinds of movie music,
just like I PRAISE the 'Glory' score/soundtrack.

Problem is, when I explain WHY I LIKE THE MOVIE
'GLORY', I don't say "because it had a good soundtrack."

That'd be bullshit.

I like it because its a fantastic fucking movie.

>in fact, for a long time it became a cliche to associate Pulp
>with jheri-curl wigs, black suits and cool tunes by Dusty
>Springfield and Urge Overkill

You just ethered yourself, again.

When people are discussing why they like 'Pulp Fiction'
do they say:

"Because of the Jheri Curls and black suits"

No, they don't.

Because neither of those things should be pointed
out, by a rational person, as specific reasons why
it was a good film.

Same thing with the music.

Music is great, and can really do a lot. Just like
wigs and black suits can add a lot.

They're not, however, the REASON why a film is good.

And Damaja saying that the film had a "Brilliant"
use of music is stupid, and its not even what YOU
ARE SAYING.

YOU'RE just saying it had a good soundtrack.

That dude is saying the ACTUAL FILM USED MUSIC
IN A BRILLIANT WAY AND THIS is a REASON WHY
the film is GOOD.

So you and him aren't even agreeing.

LOL.

I mean, if you're going to defend your boyfriend,
at least be on the same page.

I mean, even in the case of 'Do the Right Thing'
which actually DID use music in a creative, cool
way, I WOULDN'T USE IT AS A REASON WHY I LIKE
THE FILM.

'Do the Right Thing' is good because its good.

Not because of its use of music.

>in addition, that soundtrack made a whole generation of white
>people discover Al Green and Kool & the Gang's "funky"
>period.

Can't comment on white people.

That's an irrelevant and stupid point, and to be honest,
I don't give a fuck, and am not about to give Tarantino
credit for making white people listen to Al Green.

Sounds to me like another manufactured reason to
like this film("It opened the eyes of ignorant ass
white people")


No, thank you.


Next.

>you said that Damaja was "inventing" the praise for the
>soundtrack.

No, Einstein.

I said he was inventing a REASON to LIKE THE
MOVIE.

NOT A SINGLE PERSON in this thread has pointed
to the soundtrack as a SPECIFIC reason why
they liked the movie.

That would be stupid, and retarded, which is
why sensible people don't do it.

>your feelings about the movie itself have nothing to do with
>anything... you were just wrong.

Hmm. You almost sound sorta almost convincing.

Almost.

Lol.
>i'm glad you've graciously revealed your cognitive process for
>us.

I'm transparent, dunny.

>so basically... it's safe to assume that most--if not all--of
>your knowledge/opinions of Pulp Fiction are based pretty much
>on what OTHER people say about it, specifically people in
>PTP.


Oh, no -- I'm actually being FAIR.

I'm using quotes and arguments that we can ACTUALLY
REFERENCE as opposed to some hypothetical argument
that someone made on website X, and Y.

That's why I argue so well -- I use shit that people
on these boards have actually said. It gives my
arguments more credence.

Next.

>me neither... but considering the fact that i associate with
>other humans, i sometimes am privy to their particular tastes
>and propensities.

Well, for one, I don't know what type of music
is popular in Northwest Guam, or amongst
Neo Nazi's, or in the gay community of
Long Beach.

So, despite the fact that I associate with other
human beings, there are a lot of opinions I don't
know, nor give a fuck about.

And what artsy fartsy hipsters have in their
CD collection qualifies as something I don't give
a fuck about.

In which case my alleged ignorance of how popular
the Soundtrack to 'Pulp Fiction' was makes perfect
sense....especially when you consider that I only
brought it up in the context of it being used(manufactured)
as a *specific* reason why people like the film.




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Orfeo_Negro
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65. "actually, the amount of verbiage you expend suggests madness."
In response to Reply # 64


  

          

i'm not coming to anybody's rescue.

i just noticed that you made a blatantly ignorant statement and i called you on it.

nothing more than that.

>Remember: I didn't direct that shitty film.
>
>Tarantino did.
>
>Lol.

again: notice that i have not voiced an opinion on Pulp Fiction the movie in this post (or any of your other dick-greasing posts on the subject)

you don't even know whether i like Pulp Fiction or not.

on the other hand, i DO know that you said something ignorant and wrong. and i pointed it out. and now you mad.

>I was talking about within the context of this post,
>and was talking about people using it as a *specific*
>reason that they liked the film.

OHHHHHHH.... THAT'S what you were talking about!

*jerk-off motion*

this is the worst kind of pretzel logic: the kind that fails even in its attempt to obfuscate the truth.


>I've heard people PRAISE all kinds of movie music,
>just like I PRAISE the 'Glory' score/soundtrack.
>
>Problem is, when I explain WHY I LIKE THE MOVIE
>'GLORY', I don't say "because it had a good soundtrack."
>
>That'd be bullshit.
>
>I like it because its a fantastic fucking movie.

again: irrelevant.


>>in fact, for a long time it became a cliche to associate
>Pulp
>>with jheri-curl wigs, black suits and cool tunes by Dusty
>>Springfield and Urge Overkill
>
>You just ethered yourself, again.
>
>When people are discussing why they like 'Pulp Fiction'
>do they say:
>
>"Because of the Jheri Curls and black suits"
>
>No, they don't.
>
>Because neither of those things should be pointed
>out, by a rational person, as specific reasons why
>it was a good film.
>
>Same thing with the music.
>
>Music is great, and can really do a lot. Just like
>wigs and black suits can add a lot.
>
>They're not, however, the REASON why a film is good.

Damaja never said the music was the only or even the PRIMARY reason the movie was good.

and the amount of wordage you're spending to try to justify some bullshit is definitely self-ether by most definitions.


>And Damaja saying that the film had a "Brilliant"
>use of music is stupid, and its not even what YOU
>ARE SAYING.
>
>YOU'RE just saying it had a good soundtrack.
>
>That dude is saying the ACTUAL FILM USED MUSIC
>IN A BRILLIANT WAY AND THIS is a REASON WHY
>the film is GOOD.
>
>So you and him aren't even agreeing.
>
>LOL.

laugh at yourself.

Dam explicitly stated "soundtrack (not score)".

considering the fact that when you have a jukebox soundtrack rather rather than an original composed score, the very *selection/compilation* of the soundtrack constitutes its "use"

i think that was pretty clear in Dam's post, but you'd rather try to sophist shit up with lousy arguments.

>That's an irrelevant and stupid point, and to be honest,
>I don't give a fuck, and am not about to give Tarantino
>credit for making white people listen to Al Green.
>
>Sounds to me like another manufactured reason to
>like this film("It opened the eyes of ignorant ass
>white people")
>
>
>No, thank you.

again: you're tilting at the windmills.

that was an ancilliary observation and not the main point.

but you can huff and puff at it if it makes you feel smarter or manlier.

be my guest.


ok, i've already wasted enough time replying this far... i'm gonna just have to skip the rest. i'm sure it's as riddled with non sequiturs as the first half.

feel free to have the last word, though (i've found that letting a bitch have last word works wonders in getting her quit flapping her soup-coolers)

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80. "Oh, So Tarantino gets props for Al Green's popularity? Say word?"
In response to Reply # 65
Mon Apr-21-08 07:34 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

>again: notice that i have not voiced an opinion on Pulp
>Fiction the movie in this post (or any of your other
>dick-greasing posts on the subject)

Riiight.

That's why you decided to rally to the defense
of your boyfriend.

Because you disagree with him?

Lol.


>on the other hand, i DO know that you said something ignorant
>and wrong. and i pointed it out. and now you mad.

Do tell? What I say?


>*jerk-off motion*

*people's eyebrow*


>Damaja never said the music was the only or even the PRIMARY
>reason the movie was good.

Lol. Who the fuck said that?

When you ask me:

"OE, why do you like 'Do the Right Thing'?", I could
give you about 50 answers, none of which would be the
use of music, which was incidentally much better than
the use of music in 'Pulp Fiction'.

That's because that would be an irrelevant reason
why the movie was good.

And anyone who starts using shit like that I'm going
to accuse of manufacturing reasons.





>considering the fact that when you have a jukebox soundtrack
>rather rather than an original composed score, the very
>*selection/compilation* of the soundtrack constitutes its
>"use"

Plea-copping are we?

Don't make arguments for him.

I mean, 'Dead Presidents' had one of the best
Jukebox soundtracks ever.

It had nothing to do with why I liked the movie.

And most people who own the soundtrack barely liked
the movie.

And it wasn't a score, but a jukebox soundtrack.


I mean, I can't for the life of me understand why
the fuck you're so amped up in here, ox.


>again: you're tilting at the windmills.
>
>that was an ancilliary observation and not the main point.

No, you're trying to give Tarantino credit for white
people's appreciation of Al Green. You wouldn't have
mentioned it if you didn't feel that way.

If you didn't feel that you, than you should have shut the
fuck up and kept it moving.

That dumbass statement proves my point -- you are giving
the FILM PROPS FOR SHIT that it DID NOT INTEND TO DO,
and even worse DID NOT DO.

It didn't mean to get white people listening to Al Green.

I didn't get white people listening to Al Green.

And even if it DID, that has nothing to do with the
film being good or bad, so I still win.



Hehehe.




>but you can huff and puff at it if it makes you feel smarter
>or manlier.

No, the size of my brain and dick make me feel smarter and
manlier.


>ok, i've already wasted enough time replying this far... i'm
>gonna just have to skip the rest. i'm sure it's as riddled
>with non sequiturs as the first half.
>
>feel free to have the last word, though (i've found that
>letting a bitch have last word works wonders in getting her
>quit flapping her soup-coolers)


Will do.

Real talk, its not that serious, fam.




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91. "but that doesn't make any sense."
In response to Reply # 80


          

>>again: notice that i have not voiced an opinion on Pulp
>>Fiction the movie in this post (or any of your other
>>dick-greasing posts on the subject)
>
>Riiight.
>
>That's why you decided to rally to the defense
>of your boyfriend.
>
>Because you disagree with him?
>
>Lol.
>
>
>>on the other hand, i DO know that you said something
>ignorant
>>and wrong. and i pointed it out. and now you mad.
>
>Do tell? What I say?
>
>
>>*jerk-off motion*
>
>*people's eyebrow*
>
>
>>Damaja never said the music was the only or even the PRIMARY
>>reason the movie was good.
>
>Lol. Who the fuck said that?
>
>When you ask me:
>
>"OE, why do you like 'Do the Right Thing'?", I could
>give you about 50 answers, none of which would be the
>use of music, which was incidentally much better than
>the use of music in 'Pulp Fiction'.
>
>That's because that would be an irrelevant reason
>why the movie was good.
>
>And anyone who starts using shit like that I'm going
>to accuse of manufacturing reasons.
>
>
>
>
>
>>considering the fact that when you have a jukebox soundtrack
>>rather rather than an original composed score, the very
>>*selection/compilation* of the soundtrack constitutes its
>>"use"
>
>Plea-copping are we?
>
>Don't make arguments for him.
>
>I mean, 'Dead Presidents' had one of the best
>Jukebox soundtracks ever.
>
>It had nothing to do with why I liked the movie.
>
>And most people who own the soundtrack barely liked
>the movie.
>
>And it wasn't a score, but a jukebox soundtrack.
>
>
>I mean, I can't for the life of me understand why
>the fuck you're so amped up in here, ox.
>
>
>>again: you're tilting at the windmills.
>>
>>that was an ancilliary observation and not the main point.
>
>No, you're trying to give Tarantino credit for white
>people's appreciation of Al Green. You wouldn't have
>mentioned it if you didn't feel that way.
>
>If you didn't feel that you, than you should have shut the
>fuck up and kept it moving.
>
>That dumbass statement proves my point -- you are giving
>the FILM PROPS FOR SHIT that it DID NOT INTEND TO DO,
>and even worse DID NOT DO.
>
>It didn't mean to get white people listening to Al Green.
>
>I didn't get white people listening to Al Green.
>
>And even if it DID, that has nothing to do with the
>film being good or bad, so I still win.
>
>
>
>Hehehe.
>
>
>
>
>>but you can huff and puff at it if it makes you feel smarter
>>or manlier.
>
>No, the size of my brain and dick make me feel smarter and
>manlier.
>
>
>>ok, i've already wasted enough time replying this far... i'm
>>gonna just have to skip the rest. i'm sure it's as riddled
>>with non sequiturs as the first half.
>>
>>feel free to have the last word, though (i've found that
>>letting a bitch have last word works wonders in getting her
>>quit flapping her soup-coolers)
>
>
>Will do.
>
>Real talk, its not that serious, fam.
>
>
>
>
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>
>O_E: Your Super-Ego's Favorite Poster.
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop"

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96. "Furious?"
In response to Reply # 91
Tue Apr-22-08 03:01 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

Just like I said.

You guys all do the following:

1)Try to find something insignificant to nitpick,
like the guy above trying to debate me on the
importance of the soundtrack(not only is he wrong,
that isn't, at all, relevant to the greater discussion)

2)Try to simply say: "You're delusional...you're a tool"

Its a compliment.

Because no one here has countered any of my fundamental
points:

a)You guys say: "I saw it when it first came out"

I say: "Well, the hype had actually begun before it
came out because I remember it
clearly. Also, if you saw it when it came out,
than you're actually worse than everyone else,
because you BUILT the pretentious bandwagon"

b)You guys say: "It wasn't that deep. I liked it because
it was simple and fun."

I say: "If that is your opinion, than you disagree
with many other opinions in this very post(that I
point out). Also, if that is your opinion, than
why is this film revered so much relative to other
simple B movies?"


c)You guys say: "It was profound and earth shattering.l"

I say: "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....how? And on what basis
do you conclude the random ass things that you conclude?"


I mean, I really, really, really, want to be convinced and
have an intelligent conversation on the topic.

I just clown y'all and act like an asshole because its...
...well....fun.

Sorta like 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to be.

  

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124. "You're a fucking weirdo"
In response to Reply # 57


  

          

Damaja is too. He's off in cartoon land half the time.

Pulp Fiction is throwaway, overrated. Mid-90s dross. Nothing special.

So, what's it to you? What's the big fucking deal?

A few cornballs on this site like the flick.

Get over it.

I take issue with a lot of your dopey posts in OkaySports, but I'm not about to go all Cus D'Amato on your ass just because you seem like a massive poseur.

The lameness of your replies, Proustian in their size and nothing else, points to a suckhole of social and sexual inactivity so vast it could wrap around the planet ten times over.


  

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126. "You were doing fine until this part:"
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>The lameness of your replies, Proustian in their size and
>nothing else, points to a suckhole of social and sexual
>inactivity so vast it could wrap around the planet ten times
>over.

"A suckhole of social and sexual inactivity so vast
i could wrap around the planet ten times over?"

LOL!

WOOOOOOW.

And you guys wonder why I like to come in here and
kick y'all in the back of the knee?

I feel like the cool kid in Honors Algebra,
walking around fucking with people's suspenders.






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70. "give it a chance & watch it again"
In response to Reply # 0


          

first time I watched it I didn't think too much of it. didn't watch it again for a while, & then on the second viewing I was able to get into it & enjoyed it alot more.

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71. "oh, and this post is in serious need of an Admiral Akbar appearance"
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73. "It reaks of worms and minnows"
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87. "It's a trap!"
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lol

  

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77. "Pulp Fiction>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forrest Gump"
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.

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a80

  

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78. "ppl are still arguing pulp fiction w/ O_E?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

lmao.

fuck is wrong w/ y'all?

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81. "lol i'm sayin'"
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especially since it's the same people who fall for it every time.

  

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85. "ppl are still expending effort on/ O_E?"
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_
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TztqYaemt0
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92. "I'm more amused by the fact that he's still wasting his time hatin"
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I mean this is some crusade type shit from O

And of course he'll convince himself that he made a buncha cats cry about it & change their opinion & send him secret inboxes apologizing for liking it in the 1st place &...etc...etc which makes it even more amusing.

  

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95. "I'll tell you what's amusing"
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Tue Apr-22-08 03:02 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

Listening to you guys try to convince yourself that I'm
just delusional and have no substantive points.

Every single one of you just writes:

"Oh, he's just nuts. Why should I bother."

If you write it enough times, than you don't have
to bother addressing the validity of my statements,
and as Frank Longo(who disagrees with me) said, I have
several points which are valid.

And you all know that.

Instead, you all do the following:

1)Try to find something insignificant to nitpick,
like the guy above trying to debate me on the
importance of the soundtrack(not only is he wrong,
that isn't, at all, relevant to the greater discussion)

2)Try to simply say: "You're delusional...you're a tool"

Its a compliment.

Because no one here has countered any of my fundamental
points:

a)You guys say: "I saw it when it first came out"

I say: "Well, the hype had actually begun before it
came out, and I remember it clearly. Also, if you saw it
when it came out, then you're actually worse than everyone
else, because you BUILT the pretentious bandwagon"

b)You guys say: "It wasn't that deep. I liked it because
it was simple and fun."

I say: "If that is your opinion, than you disagree
with many other opinions in this very post(that I
point out). Also, if that is your opinion, than
why is this film revered so much relative to other
simple B movies?"


c)You guys say: "It was profound and earth shattering."

I say: "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....how? And on what basis
do you conclude the random ass things that you conclude?"


I mean, I really, really, really, want to be convinced and
have an intelligent conversation on the topic.

I just clown y'all and act like an asshole because its...
...well....fun.

Sorta like 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to be.

  

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102. "what the hell"
In response to Reply # 95


  

          

Let me try to respond and explain some things, briefly if possible.


>"Oh, he's just nuts. Why should I bother."
>
>If you write it enough times, than you don't have
>to bother addressing the validity of my statements,
>and as Frank Longo(who disagrees with me) said, I have
>several points which are valid.

Just because one dude (who disagrees with you) says you have valid points doesn't make it true.

I really, honestly don't see you making any valid points about the movie.

All throughout the post you're simply attacking people who like the movie... because you claim their reasons for liking it are bullshit.

Yet no reason is good enough or valid to you. What you don't seem to understand is that while many people may share the same reasons, there's no "approved" or "acceptable" list of reasons for liking any particular movie.


So, I'd still like to see you make an intelligent, cogent point about the movie without assuming things about WHY other people (you've never met and don't know anything about) like or love the movie.


Here's one point you've tried to make, I guess:
"The dialogue was better in The Last Boy Scout"

Now that's an opinion, so I can't definitively say it's completely wrong... but I think a huge majority of people would disagree with you, including me (and I love LBS, for the record).

It's not because of any hype, it's just because I think the dialogue in PF is better, cooler, more enjoyable, better written, etc.

But of course you'll claim that people only believe that because of the hype machine behind Pulp Fiction, right?

Well, why is it okay for you to say LBS had better dialogue than PF, but if someone believes the complete opposite, then they're a victim of the awful hype machine?

There's just no logic to that reasoning.


>1)Try to find something insignificant to nitpick,
>like the guy above trying to debate me on the
>importance of the soundtrack(not only is he wrong,
>that isn't, at all, relevant to the greater discussion)

First, liking the soundtrack IS one of a huge number of reasons to like a movie. If that's the ONLY thing someone liked about the movie, then it's probably not a good movie. But liking the soundtrack is just ONE thing that someone might like about it.

For instance, I loved the soundtracks to Pulp Fiction, High Fidelity, Judgment Night, Forrest Gump... etc. The soundtracks alone didn't make me like the movies, but they definitely contributed to my enjoyment.

It's a valid reason. Replace the music in those movies with something awful (say, William Hung covers of those exact same songs) and it would be a big negative against those movies. It would detract.

Thus a movie's soundtrack and/or score are one of many factors that may go into the appreciation of a movie.


>a)You guys say: "I saw it when it first came out"
>
>I say: "Well, the hype had actually began before it
>came out, which it did, because I remember it
>clearly. Also, if you saw it when it came out,
>than you're actually worse than everyone else,
>because you BUILT the pretentious bandwagon"

The dude's whole point was that he HAD NOT heard much about the movie beforehand. Maybe there was promotion for it and he missed it. To be honest I don't really remember much promotion either.

Not everyone had the same experience you did, which was apparently overhype for a movie that you didn't like. That's fine. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should love the movie. It's your loss, IMO.
But I don't see why you're such a crusader against it. So it wasn't for you. Move on.


As for this "point": Also, if you saw it when it came out,
>than you're actually worse than everyone else,
>because you BUILT the pretentious bandwagon"

You're not actually saying anything here. People who saw the movie when it first came out and LOVED the fuck out of it were completely justified in telling all their friends that the movie was fucking awesome. Because it was.

So even if that built up the hype for the movie, I don't see how it's unjustified, given that it's simply people who loved the movie... telling other people that they loved the movie.

So knocking people for building the "pretentious bandwagon" is not a valid point here.


>b)You guys say: "It wasn't that deep. I liked it because
>it was simple and fun."
>
>I say: "If that is your opinion, than you disagree
>with many other opinions in this very post(that I
>point out). Also, if that is your opinion, than
>why is this film revered so much relative to other
>simple B movies?"

Some people liked it and found it simple and fun crime drama.
For others, the movie really resonated with them on a deeper level.

The fact that people disagree about why they like the movie is not indicative of some pop culture conspiracy to unjustifably hype up a bad movie.

And who the fuck are you (or anyone) to tell either group of people that they're wrong?

And I don't think most people would call Pulp Fiction a B-movie at all.


>c)You guys say: "It was profound and earth shattering.l"
>
>I say: "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....how? And on what basis
>do you conclude the random ass things that you conclude?"

People could give you reasons, but they already know it's a waste of time, since your typical "bwahaha" and self-fellating will begin before you've even finished reading it.

Personally, I don't think I'd call it profound - it didn't change the way I viewed the world or anything. It didn't teach me lessons about life. It's just one of the coolest and most entertaining movies ever, that's all.

I love everything about it - the tone and style, an awesome interwoven plot full of all the elements I love (action, drama, humor), cool plot structure, great acting, the beloved dialogue, fascinating characters, good music... and it exudes visceral coolness (there's the "hype machine" talking, right?).

Shit, what's not to like?


>I mean, I really, really, really, want to be convinced and
>have an intelligent conversation on the topic.

I don't believe you.


>I just clown y'all and act like an asshole because its...
>...well....fun.

And I don't think it's an act, either...

  

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Orbit_Established
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105. "*WAGS MUTUMBO FINGER*"
In response to Reply # 102


  

          


>Just because one dude (who disagrees with you) says you have
>valid points doesn't make it true.

No, I do have valid points.

You all don't know how to answer them, so you
get petty and bitchlike.


>I really, honestly don't see you making any valid points about
>the movie.

Of course, probably because you don't understand, and/or
are being petty and bitchlike.


>All throughout the post you're simply attacking people who
>like the movie... because you claim their reasons for liking
>it are bullshit.

And I attack them using logic and well constructed
arguments.

The fact that I use pejoratives in the process
doesn't change the fact that its still thought
out and valid.


>Yet no reason is good enough or valid to you. What you don't
>seem to understand is that while many people may share the
>same reasons, there's no "approved" or "acceptable" list of
>reasons for liking any particular movie.

No shit, sherlock.

I mean, you can say that for everything.

There's no acceptable way to do anything, outside
the laws of physics and biology, and even those
are malleable.

We debate because we can.


>So, I'd still like to see you make an intelligent, cogent
>point about the movie without assuming things about WHY other
>people (you've never met and don't know anything about) like
>or love the movie.

I've done that.


>But of course you'll claim that people only believe that
>because of the hype machine behind Pulp Fiction, right?


When I ask someone a simple motherfucking question:

"Why do you like Pulp Fiction?"


And I get 30 different answers, some people
extracting things that had nothing to do with the
movie, citing things that the director did not
intend, and things that did not even fucking
happen, than I have a write to raise a

*people's eyebrow*

at the bullshit.

My question in response:

"WHY ARE PEOPLE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO
INVENT REASONS TO LIKE THIS MOVIE? WHY ARE
THEY CREATING THINGS and SEEING THINGS THAT
DID NOT FUCKING HAPPEN? WHY ARE THEY CREDITING
THE DIRECTOR WITH MESSAGES AND THOUGHTS AND
MEANINGS THAT WEREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING MOVIE?"


Why?



Why?



That is where "hype" and "culture" and all this
bullshit factor in: People do that because they
FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. And even better,
people DON'T DO THAT WITH OTHER FILMS THE SAME WAY,
because OTHER FILMS HAVEN'T ACCUMULATED THE SAME
CULTURE AMBIANCE.

Its actually quite simple.

>Well, why is it okay for you to say LBS had better dialogue
>than PF, but if someone believes the complete opposite, then
>they're a victim of the awful hype machine?

No. That's your opinion.

I don't think the idea that LBS had better dialogue
is a law of thermodynamics.



>First, liking the soundtrack IS one of a huge number of
>reasons to like a movie. If that's the ONLY thing someone
>liked about the movie, then it's probably not a good movie.
>But liking the soundtrack is just ONE thing that someone might
>like about it.

See, this is what I mean.

That's bullshit, and you know it.

If you like the soundtrack, you like the soundtrack.

The only people who infuse that into their REASONS
for liking the movie are people who are trying
to be overly creative about finding reasons.

My 'Do the Right Thing' example works here:

The film has actually received as good, or
better, critical acclaim as 'Pulp Fiction'
(the two are in different galaxies in terms
of quality, to me). When you ask people why
they liked 'Do the Right Thing', you get a
host of answers:

Story, characters, messages, dynamics,
setting, cinematography, DIALOGUE(I mean,
you want to hear great exchanges? Watch THIS
movie).

Because 'Do the Right Thing' is actually a great
movie with REAL things to extract, we all don't
need to be Harry Potter about inventing reasons
to like it.

And so even though Spike Lee did an excellent
job using music in the film, we don't even
get to the use of music in the film, because
there are more actually cinematic items
to point to when discussing why we love the
film.

That is not the case in "Pulp Fiction' commentaries.

People get creative:

"It had great racial commentary."

"It used colors well."

"It was allegorical."

I mean, a motherfucker in THIS POST DESCRIBED
IT WITH THE TERM:

"Zeigeist"

I mean, are you motherfuckers serious?

You are CREATING shit that ain't there.

Even worse, THE OTHER HALF OF YOU WHO LIKE THE
FILM think that the people who found meaning in
it are "idiots(I think I'm quoting 'Soulhonky').


So what is really good?


>For instance, I loved the soundtracks to Pulp Fiction, High
>Fidelity, Judgment Night, Forrest Gump... etc. The soundtracks
>alone didn't make me like the movies, but they definitely
>contributed to my enjoyment.

Judgment Night is a perfect example.

That movie was corny as shit, and people love the soundtrack
and talk about it until today...further proof that the soundtrack
's goodness has little place in the discussion of the film.

When you ask someone:

"Hey, did you like 'Judgment Night?'"

And they say: "Yes"

And you ask them "Why is that?"

And they answer: "The story and the soundtrack"

You would laugh in their fucking face, and reply,
correctly that:

"Son, that the soundtrack was good has shit to do
with anything so stop copping pleas and come up
with some valid reasons."


>The dude's whole point was that he HAD NOT heard much about
>the movie beforehand. Maybe there was promotion for it and he
>missed it. To be honest I don't really remember much promotion
>either.

Oh, I see:

I suppose he just randomly walked into a motherfucking
indy theatre in an artsy section of the east village in
NYC?

Or did something he HEARD DRAW HIM to a MULTIPLEX
MAJOR CINEMA to see the movie?

It had HUGE ACCLAIM WAY BEFORE IT CAME OUT, which is
why it was so available for everyone to see.

I remember SEEING THE SCRIPT FOR IT like a year before
it came out.

It *did* have hype, so please, fall back with the
plea copping.


>Not everyone had the same experience you did, which was
>apparently overhype for a movie that you didn't like. That's
>fine. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should
>love the movie. It's your loss, IMO.
>But I don't see why you're such a crusader against it. So it
>wasn't for you. Move on.

No, this is more fun, thankx.


>You're not actually saying anything here. People who saw the
>movie when it first came out and LOVED the fuck out of it were
>completely justified in telling all their friends that the
>movie was fucking awesome. Because it was.

No, the people who saw it first are the ones who
helped create the bullshit culture out of thin air,
the type of culture that makes people compare Jackson's
religious shit at the end to Hamlet's "To be or not to be"
soliliquy. <---I actually heard that from someone


>So even if that built up the hype for the movie, I don't see
>how it's unjustified, given that it's simply people who loved
>the movie... telling other people that they loved the movie.

Well, I hold everyone responsible for judging things
fairly.

You didn't judge it fairly.

You built unwarranted hype for what is, in my opinion,
a bite-fest of incoherent babble and "look how smart I am"
pretentious dickhead writing.

>So knocking people for building the "pretentious bandwagon" is
>not a valid point here.

Yes, it is.



>Some people liked it and found it simple and fun crime drama.

>For others, the movie really resonated with them on a deeper
>level.

>The fact that people disagree about why they like the movie is
>not indicative of some pop culture conspiracy to unjustifably
>hype up a bad movie.

Wrong, and you're not getting off that easy.

The thing is this:

The people who liked it for simple reasons
DONT EVEN FUCKING UNDERSTAND all the complex shit,
and don't think its relevant.

And I am on board with them:

AT BEST, 'Pulp Fiction' was a sill 'B Movie'.

At best.

No, it was not a "smart" B-Movie.

No, it did not have "earth shattering" performances.

I'll buy that is "slick and fun."

That being the case, its in the 'Tango and Cash'
arena of films(nothing to be ashamed of, really)


>And who the fuck are you (or anyone) to tell either group of
>people that they're wrong?

I'm Orbit_Established.

Where you been?

>And I don't think most people would call Pulp Fiction a
>B-movie at all.

Quite a few people in here are, and call people who
consider it more than that "idiots."

And mind you: These are people who LIKED the film.


>People could give you reasons, but they already know it's a
>waste of time, since your typical "bwahaha" and self-fellating
>will begin before you've even finished reading it.

I do that because Damaja(or someone else on here...I think
it was him though) once told me that the use of drugs
and needles was a metaphor for the scales of justice and that
the use of europe as a discussion point in the first convo
between Travolta and Jackson was about the arbitrary nature
of laws.

^^^^Guys, I'm being dead fucking serious.

He actually said that shit.

To me.

I almost choked on my goddamn bagel when I read that.

That is, utter and complete bullshit.


And its sad and pathetic and it deserves to be laughed at.


>Personally, I don't think I'd call it profound - it didn't
>change the way I viewed the world or anything. It didn't teach
>me lessons about life. It's just one of the coolest and most
>entertaining movies ever, that's all.

Oh, so a cool B-movie?

Tango and Cash. The Last Boyscout. Pulp Fiction.


I can dig it.



>I love everything about it - the tone and style, an awesome
>interwoven plot full of all the elements I love (action,
>drama, humor), cool plot structure, great acting, the beloved
>dialogue, fascinating characters, good music... and it exudes
>visceral coolness (there's the "hype machine" talking,
>right?).

The Last Boyscout.


>Shit, what's not to like?

The non-story, the dimensionless characters, lotsa
other things.

  

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natlawdp
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119. "you saw the script a year before release?"
In response to Reply # 105


          

you haven't quite convinced me that its as wack for being praised as dope despite being wack or at least marginal as you say it is...

you right about that 30 reasons stuff though- at least with y'all micros...




>When I ask someone a simple motherfucking question:
>
>"Why do you like Pulp Fiction?"
>
>
>And I get 30 different answers, some people
>extracting things that had nothing to do with the
>movie, citing things that the director did not
>intend, and things that did not even fucking
>happen, than I have a write to raise a
>
>*people's eyebrow*
>
>at the bullshit.
>
>My question in response:
>
>"WHY ARE PEOPLE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO
>INVENT REASONS TO LIKE THIS MOVIE? WHY ARE
>THEY CREATING THINGS and SEEING THINGS THAT
>DID NOT FUCKING HAPPEN? WHY ARE THEY CREDITING
>THE DIRECTOR WITH MESSAGES AND THOUGHTS AND
>MEANINGS THAT WEREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING MOVIE?"
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>
>That is where "hype" and "culture" and all this
>bullshit factor in: People do that because they
>FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. And even better,
>people DON'T DO THAT WITH OTHER FILMS THE SAME WAY,
>because OTHER FILMS HAVEN'T ACCUMULATED THE SAME
>CULTURE AMBIANCE.
>
>Its actually quite simple.
>
>>Well, why is it okay for you to say LBS had better dialogue
>>than PF, but if someone believes the complete opposite, then
>>they're a victim of the awful hype machine?
>
>No. That's your opinion.
>
>I don't think the idea that LBS had better dialogue
>is a law of thermodynamics.
>
>
>
>>First, liking the soundtrack IS one of a huge number of
>>reasons to like a movie. If that's the ONLY thing someone
>>liked about the movie, then it's probably not a good movie.
>>But liking the soundtrack is just ONE thing that someone
>might
>>like about it.
>
>See, this is what I mean.
>
>That's bullshit, and you know it.
>
>If you like the soundtrack, you like the soundtrack.
>
>The only people who infuse that into their REASONS
>for liking the movie are people who are trying
>to be overly creative about finding reasons.
>
>My 'Do the Right Thing' example works here:
>
>The film has actually received as good, or
>better, critical acclaim as 'Pulp Fiction'
>(the two are in different galaxies in terms
>of quality, to me). When you ask people why
>they liked 'Do the Right Thing', you get a
>host of answers:
>
>Story, characters, messages, dynamics,
>setting, cinematography, DIALOGUE(I mean,
>you want to hear great exchanges? Watch THIS
>movie).
>
>Because 'Do the Right Thing' is actually a great
>movie with REAL things to extract, we all don't
>need to be Harry Potter about inventing reasons
>to like it.
>
>And so even though Spike Lee did an excellent
>job using music in the film, we don't even
>get to the use of music in the film, because
>there are more actually cinematic items
>to point to when discussing why we love the
>film.
>
>That is not the case in "Pulp Fiction' commentaries.
>
>People get creative:
>
>"It had great racial commentary."
>
>"It used colors well."
>
>"It was allegorical."
>
>I mean, a motherfucker in THIS POST DESCRIBED
>IT WITH THE TERM:
>
>"Zeigeist"
>
>I mean, are you motherfuckers serious?
>
>You are CREATING shit that ain't there.
>
>Even worse, THE OTHER HALF OF YOU WHO LIKE THE
>FILM think that the people who found meaning in
>it are "idiots(I think I'm quoting 'Soulhonky').
>
>
>So what is really good?
>
>
>>For instance, I loved the soundtracks to Pulp Fiction, High
>>Fidelity, Judgment Night, Forrest Gump... etc. The
>soundtracks
>>alone didn't make me like the movies, but they definitely
>>contributed to my enjoyment.
>
>Judgment Night is a perfect example.
>
>That movie was corny as shit, and people love the soundtrack
>and talk about it until today...further proof that the
>soundtrack
>'s goodness has little place in the discussion of the film.
>
>When you ask someone:
>
>"Hey, did you like 'Judgment Night?'"
>
>And they say: "Yes"
>
>And you ask them "Why is that?"
>
>And they answer: "The story and the soundtrack"
>
>You would laugh in their fucking face, and reply,
>correctly that:
>
>"Son, that the soundtrack was good has shit to do
>with anything so stop copping pleas and come up
>with some valid reasons."
>
>
>>The dude's whole point was that he HAD NOT heard much about
>>the movie beforehand. Maybe there was promotion for it and
>he
>>missed it. To be honest I don't really remember much
>promotion
>>either.
>
>Oh, I see:
>
>I suppose he just randomly walked into a motherfucking
>indy theatre in an artsy section of the east village in
>NYC?
>
>Or did something he HEARD DRAW HIM to a MULTIPLEX
>MAJOR CINEMA to see the movie?
>
>It had HUGE ACCLAIM WAY BEFORE IT CAME OUT, which is
>why it was so available for everyone to see.
>
>I remember SEEING THE SCRIPT FOR IT like a year before
>it came out.
>
>It *did* have hype, so please, fall back with the
>plea copping.
>
>
>>Not everyone had the same experience you did, which was
>>apparently overhype for a movie that you didn't like. That's
>>fine. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should
>>love the movie. It's your loss, IMO.
>>But I don't see why you're such a crusader against it. So it
>>wasn't for you. Move on.
>
>No, this is more fun, thankx.
>
>
>>You're not actually saying anything here. People who saw the
>>movie when it first came out and LOVED the fuck out of it
>were
>>completely justified in telling all their friends that the
>>movie was fucking awesome. Because it was.
>
>No, the people who saw it first are the ones who
>helped create the bullshit culture out of thin air,
>the type of culture that makes people compare Jackson's
>religious shit at the end to Hamlet's "To be or not to be"
>soliliquy. <---I actually heard that from someone
>
>
>>So even if that built up the hype for the movie, I don't see
>>how it's unjustified, given that it's simply people who
>loved
>>the movie... telling other people that they loved the movie.
>
>
>Well, I hold everyone responsible for judging things
>fairly.
>
>You didn't judge it fairly.
>
>You built unwarranted hype for what is, in my opinion,
>a bite-fest of incoherent babble and "look how smart I am"
>pretentious dickhead writing.
>
>>So knocking people for building the "pretentious bandwagon"
>is
>>not a valid point here.
>
>Yes, it is.
>
>
>
>>Some people liked it and found it simple and fun crime
>drama.
>
>>For others, the movie really resonated with them on a deeper
>>level.
>
>>The fact that people disagree about why they like the movie
>is
>>not indicative of some pop culture conspiracy to
>unjustifably
>>hype up a bad movie.
>
>Wrong, and you're not getting off that easy.
>
>The thing is this:
>
>The people who liked it for simple reasons
>DONT EVEN FUCKING UNDERSTAND all the complex shit,
>and don't think its relevant.
>
>And I am on board with them:
>
>AT BEST, 'Pulp Fiction' was a sill 'B Movie'.
>
>At best.
>
>No, it was not a "smart" B-Movie.
>
>No, it did not have "earth shattering" performances.
>
>I'll buy that is "slick and fun."
>
>That being the case, its in the 'Tango and Cash'
>arena of films(nothing to be ashamed of, really)
>
>
>>And who the fuck are you (or anyone) to tell either group of
>>people that they're wrong?
>
>I'm Orbit_Established.
>
>Where you been?
>
>>And I don't think most people would call Pulp Fiction a
>>B-movie at all.
>
>Quite a few people in here are, and call people who
>consider it more than that "idiots."
>
>And mind you: These are people who LIKED the film.
>
>
>>People could give you reasons, but they already know it's a
>>waste of time, since your typical "bwahaha" and
>self-fellating
>>will begin before you've even finished reading it.
>
>I do that because Damaja(or someone else on here...I think
>it was him though) once told me that the use of drugs
>and needles was a metaphor for the scales of justice and that
>the use of europe as a discussion point in the first convo
>between Travolta and Jackson was about the arbitrary nature
>of laws.
>
>^^^^Guys, I'm being dead fucking serious.
>
>He actually said that shit.
>
>To me.
>
>I almost choked on my goddamn bagel when I read that.
>
>That is, utter and complete bullshit.
>
>
>And its sad and pathetic and it deserves to be laughed at.
>
>
>>Personally, I don't think I'd call it profound - it didn't
>>change the way I viewed the world or anything. It didn't
>teach
>>me lessons about life. It's just one of the coolest and most
>>entertaining movies ever, that's all.
>
>Oh, so a cool B-movie?
>
>Tango and Cash. The Last Boyscout. Pulp Fiction.
>
>
>I can dig it.
>
>
>
>>I love everything about it - the tone and style, an awesome
>>interwoven plot full of all the elements I love (action,
>>drama, humor), cool plot structure, great acting, the
>beloved
>>dialogue, fascinating characters, good music... and it
>exudes
>>visceral coolness (there's the "hype machine" talking,
>>right?).
>
>The Last Boyscout.
>
>
>>Shit, what's not to like?
>
>The non-story, the dimensionless characters, lotsa
>other things.
>
>

POEM-CEES
KOKAYI/CAESARZ
SPP WAXWORKS (DC)

THAYLOBLEU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=701fChgN9H4

  

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Orbit_Established
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120. "At least a year before."
In response to Reply # 119


  

          


n/m

  

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natlawdp
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131. "why? what kind of fluke led to that?"
In response to Reply # 120


          

'tis abnormal.

POEM-CEES
KOKAYI/CAESARZ
SPP WAXWORKS (DC)

THAYLOBLEU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=701fChgN9H4

  

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Orbit_Established
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132. "No, I been into film for longer than most of y'all."
In response to Reply # 131


  

          


I been reading scripts waaay before shit came out.

Hell, I had 'The Fountain' a million years ago,
waiting for that shit to get made.

I done read all types of shit.




----------------------------


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dula dibiasi
Member since Apr 05th 2004
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133. "reading scripts, fam?"
In response to Reply # 132


  

          

that's a lil "artsy-fartsy", my dood.

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134. "Cmon"
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Artsy, but not "fartsy"


And LMMFAO @ your sig



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99. "post #71"
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IT'S A TRAP!!!

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100. "The best part is this:"
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a)I don't know ole boy who made the post,
though he threw me the perfect alley-oop

b)He ain't been back since, on some
Don King throwing niggas to the
wolves type shit and watching
from his skybox

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123. "LOL I had NO idea it would turn into this"
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I watched this like 4 years ago or something and afterwards didn't see why so many people hype it like they do. I was expecting it to be the shit and I was really disappointed. I just wanted to know how much in the minority I was in my opinion of the movie. It wasn't all that exciting to me and Sam Jack's character was not any more gangsta or cool than a lot of characters in other movies. Why do people think he's so cool? The story wasn't that captivating, but I guess what did it for people was its originality and "style", or whatever. It's just my opinion, but I do think a lot of people believe it's the shit because it's so popular. I don't see how this movie is not overrated. It's sorta like Boondock Saints, just on a grander scale (the difference being BS was pretty good). What I'm saying is, what the fuck is SO damn great about this? And I don't think it can be attributed to a "cult" thing, because PF is beyond that, IMO. If someone could really explain further on why this film is so appealing to so many people, I'd appreciate it. I'm not hatin on it, I just don't really like it and have trouble seeing why so many people do.


>b)He ain't been back since, on some
>Don King throwing niggas to the
>wolves type shit and watching
>from his skybox
>
>Lol

LOL

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129. "You're spot on. Don't let these cats make you feel otherwise."
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You didn't know what you started because I've
been making the exact same arguments as you did
on here for years.

The reason why I'm so persistent is that when I originally
asked the same question you did, everyone flew in here on
some SUPER "holier than thou" bullshit trying to clown me
for "not getting it" and all sorts of bullshit.

Its not you, and you're not alone.

A handful of people think for themselves.

A small handful, but they exist.


>I watched this like 4 years ago or something and afterwards
>didn't see why so many people hype it like they do. I was
>expecting it to be the shit and I was really disappointed.


Yep

I
>just wanted to know how much in the minority I was in my
>opinion of the movie. It wasn't all that exciting to me and
>Sam Jack's character was not any more gangsta or cool than a
>lot of characters in other movies.

Exactly. Sam Jackson's character really was not very
special or cool. Never quite got the fascination.

The two explanations I get are:

1)"Gosh, he was cool because he was, so shush"

or

2)He was a metaphor for Moses or something retarded
like that. Lol.


Neither are good explanations.


In truth, there was nothing great about his
character, at all.


> Why do people think he's so
>cool? The story wasn't that captivating, but I guess what did
>it for people was its originality and "style", or whatever.

But it wasn't original nor specifically stylistic.
There are dozens of movies that had better style
that I've never heard lauded the same way.



>It's just my opinion, but I do think a lot of people believe
>it's the shit because it's so popular. I don't see how this
>movie is not overrated. It's sorta like Boondock Saints, just
>on a grander scale (the difference being BS was pretty good).
>What I'm saying is, what the fuck is SO damn great about this?


My man - I'm feeling you.


>And I don't think it can be attributed to a "cult" thing,
>because PF is beyond that, IMO. If someone could really
>explain further on why this film is so appealing to so many
>people, I'd appreciate it. I'm not hatin on it, I just don't
>really like it and have trouble seeing why so many people do.

No one has ever been able to, so you're not going to
get a straight answer here.


Film opinions are infectious, even when they are false.
The 'Pulp Fiction' as masterpiece idea swept through the
population like Plague, homie. I remember a girl
from college who had the poster in her room and hadn't
seen the movie. Why? Because it was cool to be into
'Pulp Fiction'. Just one of those things.



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138. "It's good to know i ain't by myself on this"
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It's funny to me people call this a "masterpiece". And what lines are so memorable in this? Sam Jack's made up Bible verse? That shit was stupid. Balki's "You want me to...suck his dick?" line in True Romance was better than anything in Pulp.

I don't know, maybe I would have liked it if I saw it when it dropped, I guess it was something dope for that time period. But I don't see how people think it's dope to this day. Whatever.

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109. "it's not even about 'pulp' anymore; it's about getting oe to relent"
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and what are the two things we know about oe?

1. he hates pulp fiction
2. he does this for kicks

i can't think of a bigger waste of time than debating with oe about pulp fiction. he's like some kind of logic-repelling force field. can't knock his tenacity, though

  

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111. "^^^Again, being flippant without warrant."
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>i can't think of a bigger waste of time than debating with oe
>about pulp fiction. he's like some kind of logic-repelling
>force field.

Name one wholly illogical point that I've made,
and tell me why its *more* illogical than
someone arguing that the use of drugs in
'Pulp Fiction' was a metaphor for the scales
of justice in society.


No one called out the person who made that
retarded connection when it was made
on here before(that comment went completely
unscathed, even among the people who
said that they like PF and said that anyone who
saw it as anything more than a cool fun
popcorn flick was an "idiot").

Even better, some Einstein said 'Pulp Fiction'
was a "Zeitgeist" film in this very discussion.

Its hard for me to see how my arguments are
any more illogical than any of the above.

And that being the case, I'm not sure why
I deserve the 'illogical' label more than
anyone else.


Unless, of course, I'm debating a cultural
conglomerate who doesn't think for themselves
and reflexively writes off contrary viewpoints..
....but that can't be the case...



....can it?



No.


That would be illogical.


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113. "please show me where i used the word "illogical" to describe you"
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>And that being the case, I'm not sure why
>I deserve the 'illogical' label more than
>anyone else.

go ahead. i'll wait

  

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114. "LMMFAO!!!"
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>>And that being the case, I'm not sure why
>>I deserve the 'illogical' label more than
>>anyone else.


Dog, you just called me a:

"Logic-repelling force field"


See how sissy y'all are acting up in here?








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118. "you know what?"
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you're right. i was being flippant

you seem to be getting away with what you're doing, so more power to you

  

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115. "it was very much a zeitgeist film though"
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just cuz it's a funny sounding german word don't make it untrue.

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116. "I know what a Zeitgeist is, big guy."
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>just cuz it's a funny sounding german word don't make it
>untrue.

Oh, I know.

But if you can apply it to 'Pulp Fiction', than
you can apply it to hundreds of films, in
which case it loses its punching power and
becomes irrelevant.

That's why I'm clowning its usage.

There's hundreds of ways to praise
the film.

Why the fuck would someone use *that* term.

And that same person discussed its profundity
and all sorts of other shit.

And so the, what is in my opinion, superfluous
application of "Zeigeist" is not independent of
the other bullshit I'm talking about.

That's all I'm saying.

And even better, McDeezNuts, who said
its his favorite film ever, didn't like
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139. "I'm aware"
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>But if you can apply it to 'Pulp Fiction', than
>you can apply it to hundreds of films, in
>which case it loses its punching power and
>becomes irrelevant.

nah, it really does apply to PF though.


>That's why I'm clowning its usage.

oh ok. I thought you were clowning cuz it's some high-falutin' artsy hipster terminology or whatever.



>There's hundreds of ways to praise
>the film.

and hundreds of ways you will disagree with each one of them - LOL.

>Why the fuck would someone use *that* term.
>
>And that same person discussed its profundity
>and all sorts of other shit.
>
>And so the, what is in my opinion, superfluous
>application of "Zeigeist" is not independent of
>the other bullshit I'm talking about.

eh, dunno about it's profundity. but it did capture/embody that mid-90's retro hipster too cool for school vibe though. for the worse, you might argue. but nonetheless, it did it to a T.

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140. "Fair enough. n/m"
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141. "^ relenting"
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142. "It was actually a pretty good flick now that I really think about it"
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147. "**Attention Mods** ^^^Delete this Alias"
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148. "Oh god, FILFication has spread to PTP"
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Let's not encourage this.

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143. "cross-boards archive fun:"
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then: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=7892&mesg_id=7892&page=6#7985


now: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=365316&mesg_id=365316&page=#365772



http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=889595&mesg_id=889595&page=#890225

^^^ peeped it across the boards

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144. "that was the *exact* post I thought of"
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146. "that's the first thing I thought of when you said that"
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what's even funnier though is all the people who HATED bags at first and now love him/have been converted to basaglia acolytes.

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149. "Yep. All sorts of interesting shit be going on."
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>what's even funnier though is all the people who HATED bags
>at first and now love him/have been converted to basaglia
>acolytes.

Yeah, but Bags gets the credit for the then and now...
...I can't really take the credit for mine, because
I changed up my posting style once I realized
the type of people that posted on here, hence
the weird then and now.

Bags hasn't changed a LICK. Everyone else adapted
to him. In fact, he's probably worse now and people
like him more for it.

Very weird.

And cmon...me and you was on some silly high school
gang rivals shit on here for a cool minute too Lol

Shit changes

I don't think its the fact that people
change....I thinks its more just the culture
of message boards...usually people do or don't like
each other because for little reasons that they
realize with time aren't even valid ways
to judge people...we all got a psychological
range...once we get exposed to the full range,
than we're more comfortable concluding things
about cats...for better, or worse.

Another example:
SPM seemed like a complete lunatic...after time,
we realized he's actually a cool, smart brother..
...still nuts, but cool and smart

And I think that's my story: Look at how
different I'm received in PTP than in Sports.
I rarely have to scream on cats in Sports, because
y'all understand my range....PTP doesn't...in fact,
(how's this for a natural experiment) the one person
who disagrees with me the most diplomatically in this
discussion is Frank Longo, who be seeing me in
sports.

Them archives got all sorts of data for a
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150. "Disagreeing diplomatically = Agreeing"
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Your main point is that Pulp Fiction sucks.

Frank said he liked Pulp Fiction. Did he defend why he liked the film?

No, showing the form that helped make him Basapostle #1, he fell all over himself trying to distance himself from people supporting the film by talking about how critics go to far and how people read too deeply into QT's work. Two problems with this:

A) PF supporters in this thread already agreed that critics go too far with their QT-lust.

B) The man saying that critics overanalyze Quentin Tarantino has now written two thesis/term papers on Quentin Tarantino. Even more impressive is that he's done this while being, I believe, a theater major.

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151. "You sound....a tad bit mad at Longo."
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>No, showing the form that helped make him Basapostle #1,

Hmm. I'm noticing all these white people taking
shots at Longo for his alleged riding of Basa....
...wreaks of white kids arguing over who is the
downest to me....perhaps a bit of jealousy too.

But I'm not going to start the intra-white Battle
Royale...I got bills to pay.


he
>fell all over himself trying to distance himself from people
>supporting the film by talking about how critics go to far and
>how people read too deeply into QT's work. Two problems with
>this:

>A) PF supporters in this thread already agreed that critics go
>too far with their QT-lust.

SOME of you have. Most of you have not.

>B) The man saying that critics overanalyze Quentin Tarantino
>has now written two thesis/term papers on Quentin Tarantino.
>Even more impressive is that he's done this while being, I
>believe, a theater major.

Well, overanalysis is not just about magnitude of
analysis, but direction of analysis.

You think about some shit all you want to. As long
as you are thinking about it fairly and responsibly
and aren't pulling shit out of thin air and manufacturing
bullshit, than its all good.


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153. "That's like being angry at an echo"
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>SOME of you have. Most of you have not.

I'd say most have, especially in the beginning of the thread

The discussion wasn't whether Pulp Fiction was overrated. It was whether people liked it.

A few people said they liked it or thought it was great.

YOU then argued these people were wrong because there are critics and fans out there who overanalyze it. You claimed that people who like it only do because they are "supposed to like it".

Of course when you start spouting out that stuff it's going to draw a few of the overanalyzers out of the woodwork. That doesn't support your point nor does it discredit the opinions of the initial posts.

>Well, overanalysis is not just about magnitude of
analysis, but direction of analysis.

Exactly my point. Overanalysis is wrong... unless you agree with what they are saying.

The only thing that annoyed me was Longo coming in acting like he was clarifying the argument when all he did was play into the same strawman that you created. You took the discussion of the rails and Longo acted like that was the right direction.

Also, he liked The Savages.

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154. "Hmm. You still sound mad."
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>YOU then argued these people were wrong because there are
>critics and fans out there who overanalyze it. You claimed
>that people who like it only do because they are "supposed to
>like it".

I argued a lot of things, a lot of ways, homie.

Don't be trying to over-summarize.

>Of course when you start spouting out that stuff it's going to
>draw a few of the overanalyzers out of the woodwork. That
>doesn't support your point nor does it discredit the opinions
>of the initial posts.

Uh.

So, I'm to blame for the idiotic overanalzyers infiltrating
this conversation?

Well....uh....sorry, and shit.

So I make a point, overanalyzers come "out of the woodwork,"
proving my point, but yet somehow their coming "out of the
woodwork" does not prove my point.

Thanks, sparky.


>Exactly my point. Overanalysis is wrong... unless you agree
>with what they are saying.

Not quite.

You can think about a film in great depth all you want.

The problem comes when you start inventing shit that
ain't there.

^^^constitutes the direction of the overanalysis. Its
analyzed to the point where one starts to conclude
phantom things about a film. That is the case, imo,
with 'Pulp Fiction' commentaries.

I got no problem with someone studying 'Pulp Fiction'.

I'm sure there's all kinds of interesting shit that
someone could say.

I could talk, for example, about how overrated it is.

>The only thing that annoyed me was Longo coming in acting like
>he was clarifying the argument when all he did was play into
>the same strawman that you created. You took the discussion of
>the rails and Longo acted like that was the right direction.

No, I actually kept the conversation logical. I was just
being a dick about it. Longo was just saying to ignore
the fact that I was being a dick, and focus on the what
I'm saying, because it makes sense.

I sense there are other reasons you're so mad at him,
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157. "You still seem to like to talk about anything but the actual movie"
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--"I argued a lot of things, a lot of ways, homie.

Don't be trying to over-summarize."

I'm not. People said they liked the film and you immediately went into your "Oh it's overrated. Critics say it's one of the best ever. It's affected film ever since and that pisses me off". Your actual analysis of the film has consisted of saying sucks and using greater than symbols.

--"So, I'm to blame for the idiotic overanalzyers infiltrating
this conversation?"

Yes. If you had simply said why you didn't like the film itself, I doubt that any of this would have come up. And if it did come up, you could call out that specific person rather than pretending everyone (or 90% of people) think that way.

--"So I make a point, overanalyzers come "out of the woodwork,"
proving my point, but yet somehow their coming "out of the
woodwork" does not prove my point."

That's like me saying there's a fire, screaming out "Fire!", and then pointing out people running around as evidence of there being a fire.

--"I got no problem with someone studying 'Pulp Fiction'."

LOL. You most certainly do have problems with it. If people study it and get something you don't agree out of it, then you say they overanalyze it. You say it's bullshit and dismiss it. What you call "overanalyze" or a wrong direction is just someone studying Pulp Fiction and stating something you don't agree with. As usual, you state your opinion as if it is the objective fact.

--"No, I actually kept the conversation logical. I was just
being a dick about it. Longo was just saying to ignore
the fact that I was being a dick, and focus on the what
I'm saying, because it makes sense."

Actually, you were the one that made it illogical but employing the strawman.

The question was "Am I the only one who liked Pulp Fiction"

Here's your first post
----
No, you're not the only one.

People invent reasons to like 'Pulp Fiction'
mostly because pop culture has told them
that they are supposed to like it. When they
watch it and don't like it, their brain conjures
a reason to, so that they don't feel left out.

I've heard no less that 20 different explanations
for why people like that movie, and 90% of them
are complete bullshit.

Its no good, at all.

If people overanalyzed most movies as much as they
did PF, than people would like most films
just the same. They don't do that with most movies
because most films aren't an all access pass to
feeling cool and hip like PF is/was.

Thankfully, I'm cool and hip without liking it.

And my real beef with 'Pulp Fiction' is not the film
itself, but how bad it was for film: It ushered
in an era of superficiality that we haven't really
shaken yet....really fucked things up.
----

So there you have it. Your initial statement had little to do with the actual film outside of "Its no good, at all" and your real beef isn't even the film itself. To you, that is the logical progression of a conversation, not to state why you didn't like the film Pulp Fiction but to attack and dismiss people who liked it and state an external reason for not liking the film.

The problem isn't you being a dick. It's that your argument is completely off point and, like Frank, dismisses people's opinions simply because some critics went overboard.

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158. "What? Dude, I'm writing a 20-page paper on Tarantino."
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Forgive me if I understand the point. I've gone on record saying I like Pulp Fiction. It's fun, entertaining, good acting, good music, good dialogue, nice camerawork. But folks go very, very overboard.

And the Basapostle thing is funny, seeing as how pretty much the only thing we have in common is that we like Duke. Seeing as how I wasn't defending Zeke, I think Eddy Curry sucks, I like AI, I prefer SNL to ILC, and I'm a huge fan of the success of the Frat Pack, I think it's funy that every time I think dude makes a point, there's 5 posters ready with a snarky comment.

However, I do find amusing how easily O_E and Basa can piss people off, when nothing is ever really that serious on OKP. This post should sunk quickly, but folks can't run away from a fight with O_E. If that makes me some sort of apostle, that I find this shit very funny, so be it. *shrug*

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159. "Is the OP called "Do people go overboard about Pulp Fiction?""
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Because if it is I agree with you and OE. People do go overboard.

-- "This post should sunk quickly, but folks can't run away from a fight with O_E. If that makes me some sort of apostle, that I find this shit very funny, so be it. *shrug*"

The Apostle line stems from the fact that you wrote an entire post discussing OE's strawman and off-topic point about people going overboard. You acted like everyone who disagree with him was saying that critics didn't overanalyze the film.

You basically said "Don't debate OE because he doesn't like it so instead of doing that, I'll pop in and agree with OE on a point that really doesn't matter." And then you proceeded to dismiss critics who overanalyze Quentin Tarantino by overanalyzing Orbit Established.

"So while I don't agree with the fervor with which O_E hates Pulp Fiction, I think it's clear that in between the lists of elements that sucked in the movie and the mentions of how big his dick is, mang, he makes good points about how the critical reception of Pulp Fiction (and QT's career, really) has really inhibited the ability to enjoy QT's works as what they are: flashy, star-studded, hip and cool B-movies. Outside of Jackie Brown, if you look at the film by itself and try to ignore the critical reception and its context in modern film history, I'd say that's just about all they are."

Jeez, and here I thought he said the film was "Not good, at all".


-- "And the Basapostle thing is funny, seeing as how pretty much the only thing we have in common is that we like Duke. Seeing as how I wasn't defending Zeke, I think Eddy Curry sucks, I like AI, I prefer SNL to ILC, and I'm a huge fan of the success of the Frat Pack, I think it's funy that every time I think dude makes a point, there's 5 posters ready with a snarky comment."

Hey, just because you're the Judas of the lot doesn't mean you aren't an Apostle.

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160. "I don't know what I did to you, but alright fam."
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>Because if it is I agree with you and OE. People do go
>overboard.
>
>-- "This post should sunk quickly, but folks can't run away
>from a fight with O_E. If that makes me some sort of apostle,
>that I find this shit very funny, so be it. *shrug*"
>
>The Apostle line stems from the fact that you wrote an entire
>post discussing OE's strawman and off-topic point about people
>going overboard. You acted like everyone who disagree with him
>was saying that critics didn't overanalyze the film.

Because I've been in PTP for years now and seen him fight and seen the reasons why he fights. When folks come in and start in with "You're wrong" on the original poster, O_E's gonna come back with "You're wrong" and the whole shit is gonna begin. I wrote a clarification post so maybe folks can see where he comes from, and if they disagree with him from there, so be it. Shockingly, I'm someone who tries in every argument to at least SEE the other person's perspective.

>You basically said "Don't debate OE because he doesn't like it
>so instead of doing that, I'll pop in and agree with OE on a
>point that really doesn't matter." And then you proceeded to
>dismiss critics who overanalyze Quentin Tarantino by
>overanalyzing Orbit Established.
>
>"So while I don't agree with the fervor with which O_E hates
>Pulp Fiction, I think it's clear that in between the lists of
>elements that sucked in the movie and the mentions of how big
>his dick is, mang, he makes good points about how the critical
>reception of Pulp Fiction (and QT's career, really) has really
>inhibited the ability to enjoy QT's works as what they are:
>flashy, star-studded, hip and cool B-movies. Outside of Jackie
>Brown, if you look at the film by itself and try to ignore the
>critical reception and its context in modern film history, I'd
>say that's just about all they are."
>
>Jeez, and here I thought he said the film was "Not good, at
>all".

He did. He's also said other things. Other things which I agree with.


>-- "And the Basapostle thing is funny, seeing as how pretty
>much the only thing we have in common is that we like Duke.
>Seeing as how I wasn't defending Zeke, I think Eddy Curry
>sucks, I like AI, I prefer SNL to ILC, and I'm a huge fan of
>the success of the Frat Pack, I think it's funy that every
>time I think dude makes a point, there's 5 posters ready with
>a snarky comment."
>
>Hey, just because you're the Judas of the lot doesn't mean you
>aren't an Apostle.

This shit just sounds salty. I don't even really know what to say in response to that. I'm not sure what I did to you (I'm sure it's not just because I defended what O_E said), but I'm sorry, whatever it is. I try to keep people who hate me on this board to a minimum.

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161. "LOL."
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Seriously, try to have a little debate and suddenly everyone gets all uptight. I guess adding in The Savages remark before wasn't enough to show that it was all in good fun. I mean, how do you read that Judas comment and think it's serious? I guess one of the first commandments for OE Apostles is: Assume Anger.

In the end, it's not that you defend OE, it's that you defended his off-point argument as if it is valid.

The long and short of this discussion is:

- Me: I liked Pulp Fiction.

- OE: People overrate it and critics overanalyze it.

- Me: True. But I still liked it.

- OE: No, people like it because they think its deep.

- ME: I don't think most people do. I didn't. Regardless, I thought it was a fun cool crime flick. I really liked it.

- OE: No you didn't. You think you liked it. I says it sucks so it sucks.

- Damaja: If you look at the context of the reviews that inspired his post-modern...

- Me: *SMH* Not helping.

- OE: See, EVERYONE talks like that. One other person used the word Zeitgest therefore the movie sucks. I'm right. You're mad.

- Me: No, really. I liked it.

- OE: Drink a latte and stop being mad!

- Longo: Come on, you know he's right. You have to admit that people do overrate it. I don't know why you bother arguing with him.

- Me: Don't encourage him. That's not the point.

- OE: Mad!

- Longo: That hurt my feelings. I just want to be loved.

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162. "You misread on one key point."
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I didn't say he's right. I said he's right on that point. It's one of his main points, as you can see from many of the posts. Other posts, he just insults. That's his style, we know this.

But to just say it sucks? No, I disagree on that. I think I've made that clear too.

And I don't care if folks like me or not. It's the internet, I'm never meeting you people. But internet beef is just too exhausting and not fun after a while (especially when people like *ereffusion and *arren *oolidge e-stalk me).

I thought you were joking, but with the above mentioned and B9 using it as their trademark comeback, at this point I just assume if that's the insult one has to resort to, I've made em mad somehow.

But I know what you're saying. And it's all good. Honest criticism, no snarko: sometimes you gotta just let the other person have the last word in PTP. I think you know this... but yeah.

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163. "Check out your timing"
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Basically, I finally got the topic to be about actual elements of the film (not that that made things better, but at least the discussion was on point and it was funny to see OE explaining how a player shooting themslves in the head during a football game makes more sense than someone being able to text message while the phone is in their pocket) when you came in and brought it back to the off-point over-analysis discussion.

Also, when you came in nobody but OE had mentioned over-analysis or the movie being deep or having different layers. It was like you came in and were like "Guys, you are wasting your time, but since I'm here I'll throw some gasoline on the fire."

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165. "Ok."
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Cool. Sorry.

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152. "^^^ this post captures the Zeitgeist of Okayplayer"
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LOL - j/k

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155. "That post was about redemption, by the way."
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Layered and contextualized.

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156. "hahahaha - good shit"
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>Layered and contextualized.

perhaps intertextual, even.

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83. "RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?"
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one of the only, that movie is deffernt and is genuis.

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86. "Pulp Fiction is a man's movie...PERIOD"
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The shit had everything men like... boxing, street fighting, sex,
likka/drugs, shoot out/robbery, an ass of cussing, some shit that
only men get(like when Jules drunk all of Brett's sprite, I knew
he was gonna die), and what man doesn't love Esmeralda Villalobos.
The only thing I didn't like was Travolta's one on one scene with Uma... it slowed the movie down imo.

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93. "2 things"
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1) I loved Pulp Fiction. Still do.

2) this kid Orbit Established (or whatever his name is) is clown shoes.


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97. "Furious?"
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Tue Apr-22-08 03:04 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

Iz you?

Cut and paste, fam.

---

Just like I said.

You guys all do the following:

1)Try to find something insignificant to nitpick,
like the guy above trying to debate me on the
importance of the soundtrack(not only is he wrong,
that isn't, at all, relevant to the greater discussion)

2)Try to simply say: "You're delusional...you're a tool"

Its a compliment.

Because no one here has countered any of my fundamental
points:

a)You guys say: "I saw it when it first came out"

I say: "Well, the hype had actually began before it
came out, which it did, because I remember it
clearly. Also, if you saw it when it came out,
than you're actually worse than everyone else,
because you BUILT the pretentious bandwagon"

b)You guys say: "I saw it when it first came out"

I say: "Well, the hype had actually began before it
came out, and I remember it clearly. Also, if you saw it
when it came out, then you're actually worse than everyone
else, because you BUILT the pretentious bandwagon"


c)You guys say: "It was profound and earth shattering."

I say: "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....how? And on what basis
do you conclude the random ass things that you conclude?"


I mean, I really, really, really, want to be convinced and
have an intelligent conversation on the topic.

I just clown y'all and act like an asshole because its...
...well....fun.

Sorta like 'Pulp Fiction' is supposed to be.

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101. "Enraged even."
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>Iz you?

Seriously though, the fact that in 2008 you're still using "You're mad?" as an insult is adorable. *pinches your cheeks*

>I mean, I really, really, really, want to be convinced and
>have an intelligent conversation on the topic.

No you don't.

>
>I just clown y'all and act like an asshole because its...
>...well....fun.

That's more like it.








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106. "No homo"
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>Seriously though, the fact that in 2008 you're still using
>"You're mad?" as an insult is adorable. *pinches your
>cheeks*

Pinching cheeks, now, eh?

I guess you really did like 'Pulp Fiction'.

And look how you're forcing the condescending tone.

Now THAT is funny.







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110. "RE: No homo"
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>
>>Seriously though, the fact that in 2008 you're still using
>>"You're mad?" as an insult is adorable. *pinches your
>>cheeks*
>
>Pinching cheeks, now, eh?

Yup!

>I guess you really did like 'Pulp Fiction'.

Let the record show that Orbit Established has officially recognized the possibility of one actually liking Pulp Fiction.
*does cartwheels*

Um, no homo of course.




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112. "Mad?"
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Y u mad?

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117. "lol"
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>
>Y u mad?

I'm gleefully doing cartwheels, I told you!
>
>I'll stay in 2001 as long as I need to, ox.
lol-fair enough.



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107. "I just thought it was ok. But then again most movies that most people..."
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on here and the Academy like I don't for and vice versa. The majority of films that get nominations for oscars I haven't seen nor do I care to see.

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108. "LMAO!!!^^^^POWERFUL CAMEO!!!!!"
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NIGGA PASSED THROUGH LIKE A NATION OF ISLAM
CAT in the BARBER SHOP!!!!

LOL LOL LOL

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122. "yo i'm dying , lmao"
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i need to come in PTP more often yall be clowning in here
only thing is i never seen half the movies these niggas be talking about in here
niggas was watching pulp fiction and i was watching above the rim , lol

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125. "lmao"
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> niggas was watching pulp fiction and i was watching above the rim

  

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130. "LOL"
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>niggas was watching pulp fiction and i was watching above the
>rim , lol

I bet I saw Above the Rim before I saw Pulp Fiction too.

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137. "RE: LOL"
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>
>>niggas was watching pulp fiction and i was watching above
>the
>>rim , lol
>
>I bet I saw Above the Rim before I saw Pulp Fiction too.

Same here. C'mon, it had Pac AND a Death Row Soundtrack!


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164. "Wait, this isn't how I remember the movie ending"
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What's with all this psychological navel-gazing shit? People analyzing their own online "characters"? Fuck that, more insults! I want my money's worth.

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