I finally saw Shutter Island. He definitely has a nigger quota. I've been ignoring it for far too long because I actually like a lot of his movies but this is just ridiculous.

The guy goes out of his way to get it in each movie he makes (or as many of them as possible) and to my recollection all the black characters in his movies reflect the racist stereotypes voiced by his racist protagonists.

Dude's a scumbag.

Also, if you are making a movie in Boston, someone is going to say it eventually.




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Now that I think of it, Good Will Hunting wouldn't have been the same if they had left that word out of it.

Or the Devil's own for that matter.

I see your point. No I don't.

say nigger in GWH. Not that it matters since it's not a Scorsese film.

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it matters because he brought Boston into it to excuse use of the word

You have a point in GWH I guess.

The movie is set in the 50's in Boston is all I was saying. It was a part of the times, not saying its right.



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to use the word and most of his movies aren't in the 50s. I mean I think he was hiding behind the mafia movies and we accepted it in the context but he's way out of pocket. He's been doing it for 35 years. I honestly don't even wanna hear about QT being racist if you aren't going to start the convo with this guy.

And it brings to mind something Spike Lee said when Do The Right Thing came out:
People got mad about the fact that he didn't show the effects of drugs on the community,
and his response was "this is a movie about a community, but that doesn't mean I have to show every piece of the community."

well,
scorsese doesn't HAVE to show racism in so many of his movies either.

and if the excuse is that it helps to show how "bad" or "immoral" the characters are,
why can't those same characters be seen as immoral for the simple fact that they kill people,
or,
in the case of Shutter Island,
why can't the character be seen as crazy simply for the fact that he cut a woman up because of his paranoia?
the scene could have EASILY been cut before the quote in question and it would not have affected the movie for the worse.

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now that i think of it you're right on... i have to go research which movies he's written, co-written, or the scripts he's overseen, but if it was an author or musician, the "pass" to use the term, wouldn't be so over looked. the fact he did not write shutter island is no excuse either. some movies need nigger used, others don't.

i don't know if i feel it changes my view on his body of work though

much of his work since the 2000s. So now it's glaring especially because his movies aren't even that good any more.

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If you grow up in that environment, you're gonna have some shit ingrained in you the rest of your life. Doesn't mean he's a harmful super racist, and I still fucks with his movies, but he's probably more racist than you or I

older than Keitel and DeNiro or Coppola. Coppola is probably the best comparison. I mean even if you are that way it's cool to keep reminding people every chance you get? We're obviously okay with it cuz he never gets called on it.

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I finally saw the Departed. He definitely has a murder
quota. I've been ignoring it for far too long because I
actually like a lot of his movies but this is just ridiculous.

The guy goes out of his way to kill people in each movie he makes

Dude's a scumbag and should be locked up

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What I Didn’t Like:
*Making light of the use of the word nigger.

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Questions:
*What kind of person makes light of the use of the word nigger?
*What kind of person cosigns making light of the use of the word nigger?
*Why was that response so mad?

but still, like can you give me an actual number?

You get no points for that one.

lol @ you thinking my reply was angry

not surprising since you missed my point entirely

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N-bombs all over that one.

In one scene, cut due to time, Michelle Pfeiffer calls Daniel Day Lewis *N* about 40 times in 3 minutes. The writer’s commentary tells a story of Marty rubbing his hands together like an evil mastermind, cackling in conspiratorial glee, about how much he loves being racist.

I don’t think there’s any room to argue this point.

Did you just parachute in here to protect the integrity of the use of the word nigger? I mean we already know James Peach likes to habitually line step on race issues, but this is out of character for you Trebek.

As someone pointed out already, he's an old-school NY Italian. I mean, that isn't enough to convict, but chances are...

what now? Like, what do you want after people realize he's probably racist? What's the goal here?

First step to recovery.

otherwise the question is pointless.

not like they used to. that's not my fault.

Especially that part where Robbie Robertson makes everyone stop playing, makes them turn the house lights up, looks out into the crowd, assesses the situation, then leans into the microphone and says...

well, if you saw it, you know. Then he's all, "MAN, I feel better. Was that cool, Marty?" Then the camera pans over to Marty, and he's jerking off.

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Wonder how Spielberg managed to avoid it. Wonder how Coppola avoided it so much. Wonder how Kubrick, Nichols, Edwards and gee, I don't know, most working directors in Hollywood seemed to avoid using nigger so much in their movies. It's puzzling.

Or hear Indiana Jones muttering it under his breath
Or Munich
Or War of the Worlds
Or The Terminal
Or Catch me if you can
or Minority Report
Or AI
Or Saving Private Ryan
Or Jurassic Park
Or Schindler's List
Or Hook

And I dont see how Coppola works it into Dracula etc

I mean, if you watch his movies, you know what sort of content and characters he generally uses

and sadly, these characters use that word in theory

Cops in Boston
Gangs in an uber divided and ultra nationalistic early New York
Mafia Guido's
A Bat shit insane taxi driver who is disgusted by everyone around him

I still think he could cut it out of a lot of scenes and often uses it as a crutch (ala QT) but it does indeed fit with the way most of his characters would speak. It's not like people who make similar movies really avoid it (Coppola had a pretty pointless use of it in The Godfather).

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And they say to leave it in the black neighborhood? It didn't bother me. Coppola didn't run with it. You admitted yourself Marty overuses it. You can't tell me that scene in Shutter Island didn't come out of nowhere, just like when Nicholson said it in The Departed.


And he's not the only director to make movies about anti-heroes.

Fight Club wasn't riddled with use of the word or at all actually.

>And they say to leave it in the black neighborhood? It didn't
>bother me. Coppola didn't run with it. You admitted yourself
>Marty overuses it. You can't tell me that scene in Shutter
>Island didn't come out of nowhere, just like when Nicholson
>said it in The Departed.

I thought it fit in The Departed and helped set up the character.

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on these boards. I let it slide. But Shutter Island, it was blatant and uncomfortable and has convinced me of what he's about.

supposed to be

An old school gangster white guy from Southie?

I guess people just aren't familiar enough with that type of person to think it anything out of the ordinary

That shit was authentic, sadly

don't have to use that word to make the point Nicholson's character was racist. After that throw away line, race doesn't even come back up in the movie. It has no bearing whatsoever on the plot.

>don't have to use that word to make the point Nicholson's
>character was racist. After that throw away line, race doesn't
>even come back up in the movie. It has no bearing whatsoever
>on the plot.

he opens the movie with footage of the busing riots of the 70's, which highlights the highly insular and violently intolerant us against the outside world nature of southie, which has alot of bearing on the plot of the movie. he didn't necessarily have to drop the n-word in there to drive the point home, but it wasn't pointless, it served a purpose.

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his use of the word. I question him as a man. I think he should be questioned about it more publically. Because he's made good and memorable movies he's gotten a free pass.

and I haven't seen Shutter Island yet myself.

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You can argue for its use in other pieces but I was actually put off when I heard it in Shutter Island.

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but it's clear you don't, so I wont

He was trying to demonstrate an attitude formed by a tribal like neighborhood coupled with the busing shit in the 70's

who doesn't know southie is racist? makes him forcing the issue that much more suspect. that's akin to saying you gotta add nigger in movies about Mississippi so people understand it's a racist place. really? those are both places where their reputations precede them. Southie doesn't need Scorsese's help nor does any Italian borough in New York.

WE KNOW DUDE. HE JUST RACIST.

extremely anti outsiders

But like I said, you really don't know about Southie so...


>who doesn't know southie is racist? makes him forcing the
>issue that much more suspect. that's akin to saying you gotta
>add nigger in movies about Mississippi so people understand
>it's a racist place. really? those are both places where their
>reputations precede them. Southie doesn't need Scorsese's help
>nor does any Italian borough in New York.
>
>WE KNOW DUDE. HE JUST RACIST.

how does that word convey what you're saying? I'm being serious here.


We've already established a few things:

He's used the word a lot and not when he needed to.

He put himself in a movie saying the word in the most malicious way possible.

The Departed is based on an HK film

He didn't have to do it

on a real life Southie Gangster

Then again, you wouldnt because you dont know anything about southie

defending the historical integrity of the film.

since it spoke to the hypocrisy of a bunch of white criminals pretending what they were doing was fine as long as they filtered it through the black community.

and i do agree that Scorsese overuses it.. just not that it makes him racist.

He could have said "blacks" and gotten the same point across. Granted, that's not really authentic but it could have been avoided. I think Scorsese knows those people and knows that they use the word all the time but doesn't think about the fact that that doesn't mean that he shouldn't use it as much as his characters actually do.

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if you're talking about the godfather, if i remember right he said "the dark people, the colored... they're animals anyway so let them lose their souls"

just as bad if not worse but still...

I think Scorsese knows those people and knows that
>they use the word all the time but doesn't think about the
>fact that that doesn't mean that he shouldn't use it as much
>as his characters actually do.

yeah, mob guys in the 70s loved the godfather so much because it's how they likex to picture mob life. goodfellas is much more raw. granted they're dealing with lower level guys, but GF is almost a fairy tale world for those guys (that's not a knock on its greatness)

>if you're talking about the godfather, if i remember right he
>said "the dark people, the colored... they're animals anyway
>so let them lose their souls"
>
>just as bad if not worse but still...
>
> I think Scorsese knows those people and knows that
>>they use the word all the time but doesn't think about the
>>fact that that doesn't mean that he shouldn't use it as much
>>as his characters actually do.
>
>yeah, mob guys in the 70s loved the godfather so much because
>it's how they likex to picture mob life. goodfellas is much
>more raw. granted they're dealing with lower level guys, but
>GF is almost a fairy tale world for those guys (that's not a
>knock on its greatness)

where Sonny says "niggers are having a good time with our policy banks up in Harlem, drivin’ them big new Cadillacs", right before shutting up Carlo by saying "We don't discuss business at the table."

it's also in GFII when Frank Pentangeli asks Michael for permission to kill the Rosato brothers:

"They recruit spics, they recruit niggers. And they do violence in their Grandmother's neighborhoods. And everything with them is whores -- whores! La vegana -- junk, dope! And they leave the gambling for last. Now I want to run my family without you on my back, and I want those Rosato brothers dead!"

so yeah Coppola doesn't throw it around as much as Scorcese, but he did use it a few times.


>yeah, mob guys in the 70s loved the godfather so much because
>it's how they likex to picture mob life. goodfellas is much
>more raw. granted they're dealing with lower level guys, but
>GF is almost a fairy tale world for those guys (that's not a
>knock on its greatness)

oh absolutely.

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