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"American Gangster"
Wed Nov-07-07 11:19 AM by ZooTown74

          

American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.

Denzel Washington, enough said.
Russel Crowe, enough said.
Ridley Scott, enough said.
Brian Grazer, while I only recognize the name from A Beautiful Mind...it still sounds pretty familiar.
and a screenplay written by dude from Schindlers List?

and oh yeah, THE RZA. bong bong!



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why was fuqua fired from the director's seat?
Sep 26th 2007
1
budget was going overboard supposedly.
Sep 26th 2007
2
"Creative differences"
Sep 26th 2007
3
so is Ridley Scott's somewhere in the middle?
Sep 26th 2007
4
No, it came down to money, the only creative difference was...
Oct 11th 2007
29
      do you know if denzel got paid again when they really did the film?
Nov 05th 2007
159
he's the isiah of this dumb ass analogy
Sep 27th 2007
15
u mad.
Sep 27th 2007
16
lol...
Oct 26th 2007
47
and before russell crowe
Oct 16th 2007
34
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Sep 26th 2007
5
he is a cop in the movie.
Sep 26th 2007
6
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Sep 26th 2007
7
Sin City?
Sep 26th 2007
8
The Departed
Sep 26th 2007
9
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Sep 26th 2007
10
Crash
Oct 11th 2007
30
      Oh hell...not again...
Oct 11th 2007
32
I had a long convo with a good friend who saw it already...
Sep 27th 2007
11
^^^ Legitimate gripes
Sep 27th 2007
12
very very legitimate, and that's just from a conceptual type POV
Oct 28th 2007
61
he really didn't deserve it...
Nov 06th 2007
168
Does this make Common the movie's Christian Laetner?
Sep 27th 2007
13
RE: Does this make Common the movie's Christian Laetner?
Sep 27th 2007
14
So Common's one of the best college b-ball players of the last 20 years?
Oct 07th 2007
20
      *MESSAGE*
Oct 17th 2007
36
Not to mention the Jay-Z album & the BET series under the same name
Sep 27th 2007
17
.
Oct 07th 2007
18
.
Oct 07th 2007
19
^^^CLOSET CHRISTIAN
Oct 11th 2007
28
      If I did believe in fairy tales, I probably would keep it to myself.
Oct 11th 2007
31
you neglected to mention CUBA
Oct 07th 2007
21
w/ his total 5 min of screen time?
Oct 28th 2007
60
... and just as I feared, they cut too much. (NO SPOILERS)
Oct 11th 2007
22
were you at the landmark screening tonight?
Oct 11th 2007
23
Yeah, I was there
Oct 11th 2007
24
      did you happen to hear two geeks discussing the Muscles vs. OCK post
Oct 11th 2007
25
           No, I didn't hear that... funny
Oct 11th 2007
26
                we were posted up in the second row
Oct 11th 2007
27
RE: ... and just as I feared, they cut too much. (NO SPOILERS)
Oct 28th 2007
57
Another Warning (swipe)
Oct 16th 2007
33
I agree with what he's sayin
Oct 17th 2007
35
blah
Oct 17th 2007
37
RE: Another Warning (swipe)
Oct 24th 2007
39
but, frank was violent...mastermind, yes...but also violent...
Nov 06th 2007
169
^
Oct 24th 2007
38
Quick Thoughts
Oct 24th 2007
40
      "It's Junebug, baby... come on!"
Oct 24th 2007
41
I just got the script, if there is anyone interested.
Oct 24th 2007
42
I'd like to read that American Gangster script...
Oct 27th 2007
49
RE: I just got the script, if there is anyone interested.
Oct 27th 2007
50
Interested
Oct 27th 2007
53
need y'all's addresses.
Nov 02nd 2007
94
Joe Morton's Character=Gordon Parks?
Nov 03rd 2007
122
      You are not alone!(c) M. Jackson
Nov 04th 2007
146
^
Oct 25th 2007
43
100% at rottentomatoes
Oct 25th 2007
44
THIS MOVIE IS FUCKING FIYAAAAH.
Oct 25th 2007
45
((spoilers)) (kinda)
Oct 26th 2007
46
haha - they filmed it 3 blocks from my crib in Spanish Harlem
Oct 26th 2007
48
you get a free turkey?
Nov 05th 2007
162
I liked it. Didn't love it.
Oct 27th 2007
51
I'm surprised you go that route.
Nov 02nd 2007
93
      Torrents?
Nov 02nd 2007
97
           I doubt you'll be singing the same tune
Nov 02nd 2007
103
                honestly i dont think he'll give a fuck
Nov 03rd 2007
111
                     Thanks. That was profound.
Nov 05th 2007
163
American Gangster >>>> The Departed
Oct 27th 2007
52
Now that I think about it, they needed that last scene that was cut.
Oct 27th 2007
54
LONG @$$ Q&A with Denzel and Russell (LINK)
Oct 27th 2007
55
I thoroughly enjoyed it
Oct 28th 2007
56
Why does Denzel say "MY MAN!" so much in this movie?
Oct 28th 2007
58
every one in NYC back then said that
Oct 28th 2007
62
i thought it was funny
Oct 28th 2007
66
i thought this when he kept saying "huh" over and over again
Oct 28th 2007
68
i noticed he says it everytime someones pissed him off..
Nov 06th 2007
165
am i the only one who didn't really like it?
Oct 28th 2007
59
Naw, more like . . .
Oct 28th 2007
63
not enough scarface IMHO
Oct 28th 2007
65
The characters were wretched assholes...not even charasmatic!
Oct 28th 2007
64
      ***SPOILER***, don't read this if you didn't see the movie
Oct 29th 2007
72
           sure, but whats your point? ohhh, that he learned his lesson
Oct 29th 2007
77
                o go watch a pbs documentary nigga
Nov 03rd 2007
112
                this response=proof that the movie failed n/m
Nov 05th 2007
150
                RE: I thought Denzel was stoic also
Nov 26th 2007
204
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Oct 28th 2007
67
the movie was borderline wack until THAT scene occurred *spoiler*
Oct 28th 2007
69
man at that point i was already dozing off
Oct 29th 2007
78
i liked it
Oct 28th 2007
70
Also, I don't know where this "Com was terrible" jive is coming from.
Oct 29th 2007
71
RE: Also, I don't know where this "Com was terrible" jive is coming from...
Oct 29th 2007
74
yup.. it was almost product placement...
Oct 29th 2007
76
yea that bothered me...
Nov 01st 2007
88
lol...you know me baby!!!
Nov 02nd 2007
92
I came in here to say that.... I almost laughed.....
Nov 03rd 2007
113
Yeah, I caught that
Nov 12th 2007
181
he's a terrible actor
Oct 30th 2007
82
But he's black
Nov 02nd 2007
98
not a coincidence...
Nov 17th 2007
194
he *was* terrible, tho
Mar 08th 2008
223
I like how each section of the movie was well-crafted
Oct 29th 2007
73
i watched it 3 times this weekend...
Oct 29th 2007
75
Come on...
Nov 16th 2007
192
For anyone who's seen the film...
Oct 29th 2007
79
RE: For anyone who's seen the film...
Oct 29th 2007
80
RE: For anyone who's seen the film...
Oct 30th 2007
81
      RE: For anyone who's seen the film...
Oct 30th 2007
83
      Joe Luis was the old man sitting next to him
Oct 30th 2007
85
           RE: Joe Luis was the old man sitting next to him
Oct 31st 2007
86
      well said. i mean im a cynic when it comes to movies but
Oct 30th 2007
84
           RE: well said. i mean im a cynic when it comes to movies but
Oct 31st 2007
87
           Slate's take
Nov 01st 2007
89
                Slate just hates on shit to get attention.
Nov 02nd 2007
95
           i thought it was me (c) BBD.
Nov 02nd 2007
101
i think that's the main problem w/ TP films.
Nov 03rd 2007
117
      RE: i think that's the main problem w/ TP films.
Nov 06th 2007
166
Definitely lagged but overall I really liked it
Nov 02nd 2007
90
I question the casting still.
Nov 03rd 2007
120
      I really thought Crowe did fine
Nov 04th 2007
137
if this film doesn't do numbers...
Nov 02nd 2007
91
70 million?! you know the movie is almost 3 hours long right?
Nov 02nd 2007
106
SH!TS WAQ and i saw it like a week ago,WAQ ass shit!!!
Nov 02nd 2007
96
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Nov 02nd 2007
99
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Nov 02nd 2007
100
am i just the biggest godfather fan, or did anyone else catch
Nov 02nd 2007
102
i thought of the godfather that same scene
Nov 02nd 2007
104
the purge in reverse.
Nov 03rd 2007
107
saw that too...i was hoping someone would also catch that
Nov 03rd 2007
108
Yup, totally caught that.
Nov 04th 2007
125
RE: am i just the biggest godfather fan, or did anyone else catch
Nov 05th 2007
153
the post drive-by reaction scenes were basically
Mar 08th 2008
220
Film worth seeing for Ruby & Denzel's performances alone ...
Nov 02nd 2007
105
Also, wanted to compliment Cuba Gooding, Jr.
Nov 03rd 2007
114
      cuba did good
Nov 05th 2007
156
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Nov 03rd 2007
109
$15.82 mill the first day
Nov 03rd 2007
110
question
Nov 03rd 2007
115
Frank realized that Bumpy was wrong ...
Nov 03rd 2007
124
Denzel/Crowe scene >>> Deniro/Pacino scene?
Nov 03rd 2007
116
My heavy Heat bias is going to influence me to say no
Nov 03rd 2007
119
the scene with crowe and denzel staring each other down outside
Nov 05th 2007
157
RE: Denzel/Crowe scene >>> Deniro/Pacino scene?
Nov 17th 2007
196
      Best scene in the movie?
Nov 19th 2007
199
Excellent movie
Nov 03rd 2007
118
YES.
Nov 04th 2007
126
thats an iconic moment imo
Nov 07th 2007
173
Must Every Vietnam era film Have "All Along the Watchtower" in it?
Nov 03rd 2007
121
Josh Brolin Looked Like Nick Nolte circa 48hrs...
Nov 03rd 2007
123
he looked EXACTLY like Nick Nolte in Q & A
Nov 05th 2007
148
Def enjoyed nearly every minute of it
Nov 04th 2007
127
More Heat than Goodfellas. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
Nov 04th 2007
128
I caught the real Richie and F. Lucas on...
Nov 04th 2007
129
I loved that last shot
Nov 04th 2007
131
yes.
Mar 08th 2008
221
a solid B+. Liked but didn't love.
Nov 04th 2007
130
Do you think it was too long?
Nov 04th 2007
132
The movie was too long, yet underdeveloped in parts
Nov 04th 2007
136
his wife was sort of to blame
Nov 04th 2007
133
      Well, sure...but...
Nov 04th 2007
134
           yeah, that's what I'm saying
Nov 04th 2007
135
           true
Nov 04th 2007
143
guy sitting next to me in the theater=worth the price of admission alone
Nov 04th 2007
138
Ugh. I had 3 kids sitting behind me.
Nov 04th 2007
139
      agh, I hate that shit
Nov 04th 2007
140
Set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Nov 04th 2007
141
dreadfully boring
Nov 04th 2007
142
RE: dreadfully boring
Nov 04th 2007
145
Well... yeah, basically.
Nov 05th 2007
152
flat is the perfect word to describe it
Nov 05th 2007
154
frank barnes?
Nov 12th 2007
182
lol, I actually agree with almost all these points
Mar 08th 2008
222
Joe Morton=Gordon Parks?
Nov 04th 2007
144
this was like cramming an entire season of The Wire into 3 episodes
Nov 04th 2007
147
co-sign. n/m
Nov 05th 2007
149
right, but missing The Wire's insight
Nov 05th 2007
151
B.A.S.I.C.A.L.L.Y.
Nov 08th 2007
178
i can say without a doubt that...
Nov 05th 2007
155
wigger next to me chuckled everytime someone got shot
Nov 05th 2007
158
i'm sure we'll see a director's cut dvd
Nov 05th 2007
160
RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team.
Nov 05th 2007
161
RZA owned for "It's me, it's bugaloo baby!" alone
Nov 05th 2007
164
i thought tip was a rather convincin bumpkin
Nov 06th 2007
170
my only critiques...
Nov 06th 2007
167
fiyastarter review is so funny
Nov 06th 2007
171
An on point review for the most part.
Nov 07th 2007
172
good review!
Nov 08th 2007
177
lmao nice
Nov 10th 2007
179
this is great!
Dec 15th 2007
211
i wanted this movie to be so much better.
Nov 07th 2007
174
this sums it up perfectly
Nov 07th 2007
175
wow my thoughts exactly
Nov 13th 2007
187
but when Dicaprio and Damon finally meet, you're like 'Oh shit'
Nov 08th 2007
176
should abeen a trilogy
Nov 10th 2007
180
I enjoyed it... other than the fact I saw a mic in every fuckin scene!
Nov 13th 2007
183
Yes, racism is to blame for your seeing mics in every scene.
Nov 13th 2007
184
that happened when I saw War of the Worlds
Nov 13th 2007
185
Yeah, that white projection operator in your theater should be Imused.
Nov 13th 2007
186
BWHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!
Nov 13th 2007
188
The SAME THING happened to me
Nov 15th 2007
191
obviously you haven't studied your New York underworld history
Nov 19th 2007
202
Finally saw it. Not much too add that hasn't been said already.
Nov 15th 2007
189
it was the script, fam. the cast did what they could, i think.
Nov 15th 2007
190
      No doubt. I dont blame the cast. I wonder how the other script was.
Nov 16th 2007
193
i enjoyed it but i also agree w a lot of what was said in here BUT
Nov 17th 2007
195
yeah, i didnt get that either
Nov 18th 2007
197
      Wouldn't it have been nice if those things were addressed in the
Nov 19th 2007
198
WAS I THE ONLY ONE WHO EXPECTED A GUNFIGHT IN THE...
Nov 19th 2007
200
according to Lucas, there was
Nov 19th 2007
201
      and this is what i remember thinking when i first read that article...
Nov 19th 2007
203
3/5
Nov 26th 2007
205
RE: Only half the story was told
Nov 26th 2007
206
RE: I ain't the only one seeing the b.s.
Nov 26th 2007
207
it bothered me that they didn't show more crackheads
Nov 26th 2007
208
      The scene w/ the baby crying & screaming next to the od victim
Nov 26th 2007
209
^ for revisiting
Dec 14th 2007
210
They're gettin sued
Jan 18th 2008
212
link?
Jan 18th 2008
213
      RE: link?
Jan 18th 2008
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           This doesn't surprise me at all.
Jan 18th 2008
215
RE: American Gangster
Jan 18th 2008
216
Like Oh my god dog
Jan 19th 2008
217
Yeah, dudes trying to make friends is some scary shit.
Jan 19th 2008
218
Was it White Boy Day?
Jan 20th 2008
219

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1. "why was fuqua fired from the director's seat?"
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i was reading an article on AG, and they mentioned it, but didnt mention why. I had no idea it started off as his project.

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High Society
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2. "budget was going overboard supposedly."
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I'm not sure who I'd want to see in the position more.

really like Tears of the Sun, and Training Day. havent seen the "directors cut" of King Arthur.

Gladiator is one of those movies, that when it comes on...I can watch it whenever.
I was on the edge of my seat in the movie theater for the entire run of Black Hawk Down.
Alien is classic.
Kingdom was very long still havent seen the entire thing.



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SoulHonky
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3. ""Creative differences""
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He was trying to make a gritty film and the studio wanted more commercial appeal.

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High Society
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4. "so is Ridley Scott's somewhere in the middle?"
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Mr Mech
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29. "No, it came down to money, the only creative difference was..."
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...where to shoot the film; Fuqua wanted to only shoot in Harlem, for obvious reasons, but the studio wanted him to consider Canada or LA to lower the production cost. The studio was automatically in the whole for 25 million because of Washington's play or pay contract (meaning, regardless of whether the film was made, Washington would get payed) Fuqua spent 10 million on pre pro and had yet to finish the script less than half a year before principle photography and the proposed budget was passing 200 million. Fuqua wasn't compromising and the studio didn't think he was worth the investment. I don't know the budget for Scott's version.

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howisya
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159. "do you know if denzel got paid again when they really did the film?"
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also, del toro was to be in the original version, right? (edit: oops, reply 34. cool $5 mil for doing nothing, ha!)

  

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15. "he's the isiah of this dumb ass analogy"
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High Society
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16. "u mad."
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theScholar3000
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47. "lol..."
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34. "and before russell crowe"
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Benicio was attached (he walked away with $5million after the Fuqua version died). Before Benecio, Sean Penn was attached.

  

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atldan
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5. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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wait

RZA?

is he in it or doing the score?

wtf doesn't he do the soundtrack

  

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High Society
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6. "he is a cop in the movie."
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atldan
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7. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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with all the names on the cast, I can't help but think I'm going to be underwhelmed. What was the last movie with a killer cast that lived up to the hype?

  

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8. "Sin City?"
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or was that one of those movies that everybody loved so OKP decided to hate?

  

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9. "The Departed"
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atldan
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10. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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damn I struck out

0-for-2

  

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Nomaad
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30. "Crash"
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down/back,down,down,forward,up/forward,punch

  

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32. "Oh hell...not again..."
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mrhood75
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11. "I had a long convo with a good friend who saw it already..."
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...and while he said it was a "cool" movie, he added Ridley Scott was the wrong director for the flick.

He said the right director of the flick would have probably been Spike Lee, or possibly Fuqua. Or, at the very least, someone from N.Y. Because, as he explained, the movie is really the proverbial story about America. Or the story of an African-American drug dealer from Harlem who gave the finger to the Five Families and decide to run Harlem on his own, without their say so. And he said that wasn't the movie that got made.

He also said that movie gives Washington and Crowe's characters equal screen time, but Crowe's character doesn't really deserve it.

I don't know, I'm going to reserve judgment until I see it, but on the surface, they sound like they could be legitimate.

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12. "^^^ Legitimate gripes"
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I still enjoyed it though

Look forward to seeing it again
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sweeneykovar
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61. "very very legitimate, and that's just from a conceptual type POV"
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film-wise this shit gets boring after dude comes back from IndoChina

  

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168. "he really didn't deserve it..."
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we got who richie was w/in a few scenes
as he & frank weren't adversaries
the movie shouldn't have pitted them against one another quite that way
richie wound up gettin frank
he wasn't his public enemy #1

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13. "Does this make Common the movie's Christian Laetner?"
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14. "RE: Does this make Common the movie's Christian Laetner?"
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LOL!!! Nice comparison. Common or TI would be the most likely to get "Laetnered".

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20. "So Common's one of the best college b-ball players of the last 20 years?"
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:)

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36. "*MESSAGE*"
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17. "Not to mention the Jay-Z album & the BET series under the same name"
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18. "."
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19. "."
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I'm doing everyone a favor. Trust me.

  

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28. "^^^CLOSET CHRISTIAN"
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31. "If I did believe in fairy tales, I probably would keep it to myself."
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21. "you neglected to mention CUBA"
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cuba "I will reclaim my blackness fuck Omar in baby boy aint got shit on tme" gooding

  

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60. "w/ his total 5 min of screen time?"
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22. "... and just as I feared, they cut too much. (NO SPOILERS)"
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It still ran pretty long (about 2:35), but the end result came off as choppy and disjointed

Well, all but about the last 35-40 minutes or so

And they cut the very last scene from the test cut, and while it would have been nice to see, I can understand why it was cut (where it ends probably makes for better closure)

And, okay, here's a mild SPOILER

You all know that shot that was in the trailer, the one of Denzel walking up in silhouette, then shooting into the camera (supposedly the inspiration for Jay's alleged AG soundtrack cover)? Well, in the earlier cut, that shot was the opening shot, but in this cut it was moved to the very end of the film, after the credits, for some reason

WTF

There's also a serious timeline error, but I'll wait until everyone sees it to comment on that

Anyway, yeah, I'm going to repeat one more time, those going in expecting Godfather Scarface Part 4.07 are going to be highly disappointed. Don't get me wrong, there's some cool, violent stuff in there, but White Heat, this ain't.
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23. "were you at the landmark screening tonight?"
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the movie ran a little long and did feel a little disjointed...

  

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24. "Yeah, I was there"
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25. "did you happen to hear two geeks discussing the Muscles vs. OCK post"
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lol

  

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26. "No, I didn't hear that... funny"
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27. "we were posted up in the second row"
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that shit was unwieldy and it was hard to recognize faces at first. it took me a bit to recognize that it was stringer.

  

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57. "RE: ... and just as I feared, they cut too much. (NO SPOILERS)"
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>It still ran pretty long (about 2:35), but the end result
>came off as choppy and disjointed

This is pretty much my complaint for the entire movie actually. Nice very good storytelling and the Frank Lucas storyline felt very very rushed in my opinion. ***SPOILER SPACE****














































***SPOILER SPACE***

Since the movie began with him being Bumpy Johnson's right hand man and in a sense was already 'in the life', when he got even bigger with starting the whole Blue Magic, it didn't feel as dramatic as it should have. Plus the ending with Denzel dropping dimes on the cops was rushed as well. From Denzel slapping the cup of coffee in front of Russell Crowe's face to him laughing it up with him in the matter of five minutes.

I think this is one of the few cases where downloading something from the Internets has led me to not want to spend any cash in something i had deep interest in before downloading.

  

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33. "Another Warning (swipe)"
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Yeah, this is from the EUR (Electronic Urban Report), but so what, he's 100% accurate.

>THE MO'KELLY REPORT: American Gangster - Murder Victim of Misdirected Movie Marketing

October 16, 2007

Morris W. O'Kelly

*The Oscar buzz surrounding the highly anticipated Ridley Scott movie American Gangster is ostensibly doing the production plenty of favors. Rarely is a movie slated to be released in November the beneficiary of such publicity and fanfare.

Universal Pictures and Imagine Entertainment will likely be pleased with the opening weekend returns if the preceding publicity translates to box office performance.

Unfortunately, the word of mouth that is likely to spread subsequent to opening weekend will not be as favorable as the hype will have you believe…and that’s not necessarily a failure on the part of the movie, but more a function of misdirected marketing by the producing companies involved.

By now all of us have had the opportunity to see the movie trailer for American Gangster, one that is very specific in its depiction of what to expect come November 2.

Despite what the movie trailer suggests, American Gangster is NOT a violent, “action” movie. It has some flurries of violent hyperactivity, but the OTHER 2 hours of non-action make a stronger argument for characterization as anything BUT an “action” movie. In fact, the movie has less violence overall than any movie with “Gangster” in its title should be allowed to have.

The violence and action are reasonable expectations too. Drugs, mafia, guns and the depiction of murder all line the trailer of a movie with “Gangster” in the title. One would think that’s an invitation for classic, violent “gangster” cinema.

But trust Mo’Kelly…this is NOT an action movie and in many ways completely divorced from the “gangster” genre. If you attend this movie expecting something akin to Casino, Goodfellas, or any of the cookie-cutter urban dramas, you’ll be thoroughly disappointed.

But it’s not necessarily your fault…or the movie’s for that matter. You’re being misled.

This cinematic story of Frank Lucas tells of a cerebral criminal mastermind. Lucas is portrayed in this film as exceptionally reasoned, measured and intellectually resourceful in a way that is more powerful than any gun wielded by his nemeses.

The movie American Gangster is true in that sense to its introspective protagonist. It is more descriptive of the internal conflict between Lucas’ Christian/family values upbringing and his desire to live the American Dream. Accordingly, Scott spends over 2.5 hours in his attempt to give his viewers a glimpse more into the “mastermind” as opposed to “criminal” portion of the “criminal mastermind” equation.

Unfortunately, the trailer suggests the exact opposite…and that could (and likely will be) disastrous.

Specifically, the storyline is loosely based on the life and criminal career of a Harlem heroin kingpin who rose and fell concurrently to American involvement in Vietnam.

For those who know their New York drug kingpin cinema history, the movie New Jack City (1991) was a thinly veiled reference to the criminal exploits of another Harlem drug lord and Lucas contemporary; Leroy “Nicky” Barnes.

The American Gangster parallels to New Jack City are inescapable given their shared elements in a historical and cinematic sense. (New Jack City was a fictitious account of the emergence of crack, whereas Barnes and Lucas were responsible for the influx of high-grade heroin)

When moviegoers finally sit down for American Gangster, they’ve most likely have already seen New Jack City. Although NJC is set in a period later than American Gangster, since it borrows its storyline from the heroin drug trade of the 60s, there will be elements in American Gangster that will reek eerily familiar if not seem “copied” from NJC. Without a thorough understanding of the historical contexts of both movies, American Gangster will in many ways be wrongly construed as a “copy” of NJC. In actuality, AG is more accurate and honest in its depiction of the drug trade than its wholly fictitious counterpart of yesteryear.

But back to the Oscar hype…

Academy Award winners Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe do well in their respective roles, yet given the fact that both have a slew of films with truly stellar performances in which to compare American Gangster; it makes you wonder where the buzz originates.

Denzel Washington’s portrayal of Frank Lucas is not as engaging as his Malcolm X, not as incredible as his Reuben “Hurricane” Carter or even as evil as the corrupt detective Alonzo in Training Day. We know when we see the "best" of Denzel Washington and it is readily identifiable.

This is simply not it...through no fault of his own. He's an actor who’s made a career of “cerebral characters.” A “cerebral gangster” simply does not provide the platform for Washington to show the range and depth we already know he's capable of displaying. "Frank Lucas" is a “Denzel,” we’re all intimately familiar with and thus less than “Oscar-worthy.” Denzel has raised the bar far higher in other performances and this fact can't be ignored in any truthful commentary about his latest effort.

As for Russell Crowe, copy and paste the previous paragraph and substitute Crowe’s information accordingly. After seeing Crowe at his best in The Insider and A Beautiful Mind, it’s a bit disingenuous to argue that his portrayal of Detective Richie Roberts is worthy of comparison or similar acclaim. Again, it’s not dismissing Crowe’s contribution, but this role simply did not require any heavy lifting…heavy lifting we know Crowe’s capable of handling.

In the end, American Gangster does not measure up to the hype. The blame should go more to the Universal Pictures marketing department and less to director Ridley Scott. People turning out will presumably expect to see lots of violence and action surrounding the life of a high-powered drug lord. Instead, they will find they’ve spent their money on a biopic of an introspective family man with flashes of the aforementioned.

American Gangster is neither a great movie nor a bad one. It’s just “a movie.” Combine this with a misdirected marketing campaign and you have the classic recipe of movie-buyer-remorse.
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35. "I agree with what he's sayin"
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The movie didn't really call for any emotional extremes and whatnot. I suppose that's the director's fault

almost felt like a documentary

damn good story and realism though.

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37. "blah"
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39. "RE: Another Warning (swipe)"
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I NEVER thought the movie was was gonna have lots of violence in it. I thought the trailer was fine and not misleading

  

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169. "but, frank was violent...mastermind, yes...but also violent..."
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he killed for bumpy
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38. "^"
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Goddamnit.
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40. "Quick Thoughts"
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Well...I just finished it and thought it was very good.

Everything was solid...from the acting (Josh Brolin was amazing in this film and should be nominated) to the music (PE's "Can't Trust It" at the end credits). Weird that T.I. was playing Common's son?!?!?! Then looking at the credits...Hank Shocklee of the BOMB SQUAD was the music composer of the film?!?!? Also, in a scene near the end...The RZA was purposely acting like a dope fiend, it was the realist acting you will ever see a rapper do...I thought I was watching a real addict?!?!? LOL

Anyway, a solid gangster flick...more in the company of Carlito's Way than a Goodfellas in terms of quality, but still one of the year's best.

GO SEE IT!

  

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41. ""It's Junebug, baby... come on!""
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RZA was hilarious throughout

Just his facial expressions and reactions to what was going on
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42. "I just got the script, if there is anyone interested."
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inbox me your email address(es).

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49. "I'd like to read that American Gangster script..."
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dukes11597@aol.com

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50. "RE: I just got the script, if there is anyone interested."
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ditto bruh

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53. "Interested"
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94. "need y'all's addresses."
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122. "Joe Morton's Character=Gordon Parks?"
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Was Charlie Williams really supposed to be Gordon Parks?
I mean how many cats look like that and dress like that?

Anyone else besides me wonder this?

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146. "You are not alone!(c) M. Jackson"
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There was a special on Black Starz 2 years ago, where they were talking with Parks, Ossie Davis, and Melvin Van Peebles where the interviewer(Hudlin) asked Ossie and Parks about Bumpy Johnson. Seeing Joe Morton in the movie reminded me of that special.

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43. "^"
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44. "100% at rottentomatoes"
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could be Denzel's first best picture nominated film....

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/american_gangster/

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45. "THIS MOVIE IS FUCKING FIYAAAAH."
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46. "((spoilers)) (kinda)"
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not a bad movie, not a great one either
i agree with ya zoo, the ending seemed choppy and sped up

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48. "haha - they filmed it 3 blocks from my crib in Spanish Harlem"
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the part where they are handing out stuff to the folk...

u might see me jumping around in the back if the editing team didnt cut me out ...those fuckers !

  

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162. "you get a free turkey?"
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lol.

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51. "I liked it. Didn't love it."
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I'm gonna have to see it on the big screen.

  

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93. "I'm surprised you go that route."
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Really surprised.

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97. "Torrents?"
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Until they stop price gouging me for a matinee, I'm gonna do some downloading.

  

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103. "I doubt you'll be singing the same tune"
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when it's your shit getting 'legged.

That, and you need to start peeping matinees at the Los Feliz 3 on Vermont. Mad cheap, homes.

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111. "honestly i dont think he'll give a fuck"
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movies arent losing money because of piracy, the 2 biggest openings in history were in the last year... if a small population steals the shit, good for them being smart enough to pull it off

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163. "Thanks. That was profound."
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52. "American Gangster >>>> The Departed"
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54. "Now that I think about it, they needed that last scene that was cut."
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I believe it's in the script, so there you go

But I'll be back again after I see the movie again (ON THE BIG SCREEN) this coming week
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55. "LONG @$$ Q&A with Denzel and Russell (LINK)"
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56. "I thoroughly enjoyed it"
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Great performances all around.

It wasnt really personal with the characters, but since it clocked in at 2:30+ I dont mind that.

I dont understand why ppl have complained there wasnt enough action- it was never that type of movie to begin with.

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58. "Why does Denzel say "MY MAN!" so much in this movie?"
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Is that what Frank Lucas would say?

because he reminded me of his "Training Day" character

some moments in the movie i thought Denzel was on autopilot

  

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62. "every one in NYC back then said that"
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66. "i thought it was funny"
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68. "i thought this when he kept saying "huh" over and over again"
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just like the training day character
iono if that was in the script or if u just get that when u got denzel
i like it, but yea it does seem autopilot like

"want u gon do to me Jack.............HUH?" *side view of denzel wit that nervous smile*

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165. "i noticed he says it everytime someones pissed him off.."
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..or if he's right about to bludgeon or kill somebody.

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59. "am i the only one who didn't really like it?"
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i mean it was cool...

but thats it. a dash of superfly, some goodfellas, a hint of scarface, some Sepia photography and boom.


this is as poppy as AG the album. entertaining, but nothin new

  

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63. "Naw, more like . . ."
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>a hint of scarface,


a shake of Scarface but the salt cover came off and a whole bunch fell in

theres a lot of Scarface in this movie

and too much autopilot going on (too unoriginal)

but i like the movie

  

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65. "not enough scarface IMHO"
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NM

  

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64. "The characters were wretched assholes...not even charasmatic!"
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oops did i say that out loud? T.I.s character? LOL pathetic. "I wanna be like you Uncle Lucas." I hope young black males dont walk away from the theater saying that same shit. (like they did all the other gangster movies) this movie was not cult classic material. doesnt even hold up against goodfellas. i mean nobody was really all that interesting except for frank lucas, and i just wanted someone to stick ten heroin needles in each of his eyes and watch him slowly O.D. which is what i feel he deserved. i was just so emotionally detached from the movie it wasnt even funny, and i love mafia movies. what happened?

  

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72. "***SPOILER***, don't read this if you didn't see the movie"
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>oops did i say that out loud? T.I.s character? LOL pathetic.
>"I wanna be like you Uncle Lucas." I hope young black males
>dont walk away from the theater saying that same shit. (like
>they did all the other gangster movies) this movie was not
>cult classic material. doesnt even hold up against goodfellas.
>i mean nobody was really all that interesting except for frank
>lucas, and i just wanted someone to stick ten heroin needles
>in each of his eyes and watch him slowly O.D. which is what i
>feel he deserved. i was just so emotionally detached from the
>movie it wasnt even funny, and i love mafia movies. what
>happened?


***SPOILER SPACE***















but you are aware T.I.'s character got shot up when the main cut spot got raided, right?

  

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77. "sure, but whats your point? ohhh, that he learned his lesson"
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are you arguing that the movie was telling a story and not really glorifying this mans life? in all seriousness i didnt really know WHAT the movie was supposed to be doing. i didnt sympathize with any of the characters was i was really lost to the directors intent. the critics say it was giving us an "inside glimpse" at his madness. no i dont think they spent enough time on the nature of his madness. they mostly just spent time on the duplicity of him being a family man on one hand and a drug lord on the other, OHhowprofound! Denzel was stoic in this role at best IMHO

  

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112. "o go watch a pbs documentary nigga"
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some of us like to enjoy ourselves at the movie theatre, and that means glorified tales of black drug dealers ECLIPSING the mafia...

if u think thats a bad thing, good for you.

me personally being a young black man, I think thats something.

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150. "this response=proof that the movie failed n/m"
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204. "RE: I thought Denzel was stoic also"
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67. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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Hopefully it's not set up like 1996's "Virtuosity"(the last Washington/Crowe film) LOL

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69. "the movie was borderline wack until THAT scene occurred *spoiler*"
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the one where his mom smacked him
and was like
"i'll leave u"
from there on out denzel got his oscar pretty much sewed up
or maybe crowe does iono ,lol
but before that critical point the movie was looking to be a disappointment
after that tho denzel went into full John Q/Training Day mode

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78. "man at that point i was already dozing off"
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and by dozing off i mean fucking

  

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70. "i liked it"
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i'll see it again on the big screen. i wasn't blown away by anything, but it was entertaining and performances were solid. music was good too.

  

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71. "Also, I don't know where this "Com was terrible" jive is coming from."
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SPOILER

The muhfugga had like, 3 lines in the whole movie. Are/were people expecting a Best Supporting Actor turn from dude?

(if you want to see him actin, be sure to catch Smokin' Aces, or better yet a rerun of One on One)

T.I. wasn't much better

RZA was the best of the 3, but actually he "wins" by default, since he has the most screen time
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74. "RE: Also, I don't know where this "Com was terrible" jive is coming from..."
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I'm surprised no one complained about the shot showing Rza's Wu tat.

  

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76. "yup.. it was almost product placement..."
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...like they couldnt shoot from another angle not to show the tat??

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88. "yea that bothered me..."
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"HEY MAAN! IT'S BOOGALOO!"

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92. "lol...you know me baby!!!"
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Final Fantasy 7 + Hip Hop =
"Black Materia."

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113. "I came in here to say that.... I almost laughed....."
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LOL!!! WU-TANG AIN'T EXIST IN THE 60's

  

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181. "Yeah, I caught that"
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I almost laughed a little

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82. "he's a terrible actor"
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98. "But he's black"
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Conundrum?

  

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194. "not a coincidence..."
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RZA was the best of the 3, but actually he "wins" by default,
>since he has the most screen time

He got more screen time because he was the best of the 3. Same reason why Lebron James gets more playing time than Eric Snow.

  

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223. "he *was* terrible, tho"
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it's not even a mentionable part...aside from the fact Common playing it draws attention

but why cast a recognizable rapper if his acting sucks so bad? they couldn't find anybody that could read those three lines unlike a wide-eyed robot?

maybe Denzel wanted his LWFC signed, whatever -- but it was distracting and came off as having a rapper play a bit part just to have a rapper play a bit part

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73. "I like how each section of the movie was well-crafted"
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to fit the character of the information being presented. Each scene was truthful and robust in its own right, rather than stuffing the scene into a stylized mold.

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75. "i watched it 3 times this weekend..."
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...great fuckin movie ...this could be the "good fellas" for todays kids growing up

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192. "Come on..."
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I liked the movie and all, but the next Goodfellas? Yikes. This movie has nothing on Goodfellas. Nothing.


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79. "For anyone who's seen the film..."
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Did you find any semblance of a theme? Any emotional connection to the good guys or the bad? In the end, when the bad cops got arrested, did you even care? I mean, pornstar moustache cop ate it, much like the warden in Shawshank, but...argh. I'm just so frustrated with what American gangster could have been and what I just saw.

For shame, Ridley Scott.
For shame.

I will NOT be paying $ to go see this in the theaters. I'd rather go see WDIGM again. At least I clapped when Jilly split Richard T's wig with the wine bottle...

and a quick final thought:
for all the hate ppl have for T.P. films, at least he takes a clear stance as a director to allow his characters clearly defined roles. I think a lot of the problems films like A.G. have stem from the participants wanting to show how the good guys and the bad guys aren't any different from each other. that's not always the case. sometimes the bad guy is actually bad and the good guy's just a shithead.

after re-watching the wire S 1-4 for the last few weeks, this movie is obviously lacking in character and emotional development. A.G. is closer in effect on the audience (me) to Virtuosity than even Rocky IV. When Apollo Creed went down, I gave a shit.

Meh...

#mistycopeland

  

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80. "RE: For anyone who's seen the film..."
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>Did you find any semblance of a theme?
There were several......small ones, but there were themes throughout

Any emotional
>connection to the good guys or the bad?
1) At Bumpy's funeral, I felt how Frank did about what was going to happen to Harlem now that Bumpy was gone. It was going to be a power struggle at some level.

2) Richie trying not to sabotage his investigation by talking with his good-fella friend from childhood, that he still plays softball with and is also the godfather to my son.

3)Squashing beef between Frank and Nicky so as everybody gets paid without getting hurt.

4) Richie being employed in a profession that requires comraderie with your fellow co-workers, but not getting it due to principles. So you gotta move on when the chance reveals itself.

5) Frank doing what he had to do to provide for his family by including his family(whom he trusts) in his business and allowing for them to make the choices that they do in life although they may(AND SHOULD) differ from his. This was the subplot with T.I.'s character. He was planning on bring his nephew into the business.



>after re-watching the wire S 1-4 for the last few weeks, this
>movie is obviously lacking in character and emotional
>development. A.G. is closer in effect on the audience (me) to
>Virtuosity than even Rocky IV. When Apollo Creed went down, I
>gave a shit.

See, now that's just unfair!! Apollo had 3 previous movies to grown on you before Drago murked him in Rocky IV!!!!

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81. "RE: For anyone who's seen the film..."
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At Bumpy's funeral, I felt how Frank did about what was
going to happen to Harlem now that Bumpy was gone. It was
going to be a power struggle at some level.

I agree, but....
^^^^^^THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE THROUGHLINE OF THE ENTIRE FILM!!!^^^^
How dope would it have been if they built up Idris' character's threat of the takeover, showed really how wild shit got in Harlem, and then let Frank's move to take the throne (cafe/market-scene) be the shot into Act 2? MUCH doper....waaaay more dopeness....


>2) Richie trying not to sabotage his investigation by talking
>with his good-fella friend from childhood, that he still plays
>softball with and is also the godfather to my son.

^^^^ This felt rushed and didn't really affect the storyline like it should have. Old girl and Richie had a kid that was at least 6-7 years old. If she objected to his relationship with his old friends, why wait that long to decide her child shouldn't be around his godfather? And why was she calling Richie "crazy"? What's her beef with him? His friends? His fucking other women? Or his "crazy"ness? Too sloppy of a story here.

And ************SPOILER************** when he's got the opportunity to speak up (supposedly his "fear") in public/court to defend his rights as a parent, he bitches out and lets her take the kid to Vegas. But somehow, he gets the balls to go into court and prosecute (which should NEVER happen, btw) Frank Lucas. HOW? Why is he scared to speak in public and why would he choose to speak up to put away a drug dealer and not to keep his son? That COULD have shown him to be a complicated/complex character in that he knows his own limitations in his personal life, but he's braver with the law on his side putting away the bad guys, but do you believe they successfully drove that complexity home? I don't.


>3)Squashing beef between Frank and Nicky so as everybody gets
>paid without getting hurt.

^^^^This I didn't feel at all. They played Nicky like a clown (my nicca Cuba could have easily thrown a "show me the money" into any one of those scenes and nobody would have noticed) and never, like Idris' character, displayed the power he had in the city. Were these cats kingpins or what? Frank was shown as the ruthless anti-hero, but a hero is only as good as the villain he/she overcomes, imo.

I would have liked to see Frank's power struggles with Nicky and, later, the Italians be the rising action through act 2 and ending with a coup de grace that's Franks victory in the streets but, seals his fate with Richie's unit/the cops.

*****SPOILER********
The bad cops were the ones who got sent up from Frank snitching, but what did his "victory" over them really do for the story? They weren't threats to him, specifically, they were just trying to bully the entire heroin market. And since they were cops, all they could do was harass him on his wedding day and pull him over. Frank could have had moustache-cop killed early, as shown by the car-bombing. So, if he had this kind of power already, what's the big deal with him snitching these guys out at the end? They could have died earlier, and it would have been Frank's killing of "innocent" cops that pushed Richie's case into overdrive.


>4) Richie being employed in a profession that requires
>comraderie with your fellow co-workers, but not getting it due
>to principles. So you gotta move on when the chance reveals
>itself.

This they did make clear, but I didn't feel like Richie was really ostracized from the department. Junkie-cop said the bad-cops would kill the cops they couldn't trust, but we never saw them do any of that. Just them bumping off one officer early would make them more of a threat to Frank and Richie, and thus, making me WANT to see them get their comeuppance in the end. But, as villains, they only TOLD us what they would/could do, but never SHOWED it.


>5) Frank doing what he had to do to provide for his family by
>including his family(whom he trusts) in his business and
>allowing for them to make the choices that they do in life
>although they may(AND SHOULD) differ from his. This was the
>subplot with T.I.'s character. He was planning on bring his
>nephew into the business.

Oh, man. The whoooole family was completely underused. And there were so many niccas in his clan, he would whoop a trick and we wouldn't know it was his kin until someone yelled, "Frank! Man, that's yo cousin!" Terrible, terrible execution. The only saving grace was, kinda, mama slapping Frank when he was finna ride out on them people. But, honestly, how many times have we seen that scene? Parent tells their headstrong kid, don't do it! and they do? Didn't you care more about the repercussions of this same scene when it was Furious Styles and Tre Styles in Boyz in the Hood? I know I did.

And T.I. only playing catch at the reunions doesn't make me believe he was EVER going to play for the Yanks. Was his character really throwing it all away to get in the game? I don't believe that shit for a minute.

>See, now that's just unfair!! Apollo had 3 previous movies to
>grown on you before Drago murked him in Rocky IV!!!!

^^^^Right, not a fair comparison, I admit. But the line, "If he dies, he dies," made Ivan Drago hated all throughout the United States. We wanted him to go down! He had to! There would be no justice, no god, if Ivan won that fight! You CARED, right? Did you care about any of the characters in A.G.? More specifically, what did Frank/Richie learn or not learn about themselves and the world around them? Not a damn thing.

I've already written too much, but this movie is a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. Huge. huge.

really

really


should have been better...

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83. "RE: For anyone who's seen the film..."
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Now, for more nitpicking with yours truly, Avi...

Peep how Richie tells his unit that Joe Louis shook Frank's hand at the fight.

What?

It was at the Ali-Frazier fight. And unless Louis whooped Ali's ass in the tunnel and put on his trunks and robe, that's an obvious goof.

I wonder if it will be played in theaters that way.

For shame, Russel Crowe.

For shame.

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85. "Joe Luis was the old man sitting next to him"
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Louis had a hand in the resturaunt that they frequented

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86. "RE: Joe Luis was the old man sitting next to him"
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Oh, my mistake.
they just threw me cause the film took a pause to show ali shaking his hand on the way to the ring. i didn't notice detroit's finest was there.

for shame, avionix.
for shame...

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84. "well said. i mean im a cynic when it comes to movies but"
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you hit the nail.on.the.head. and furthermore, shit was just boring really. i seriously conked out at like an hour and like fifty minutes in

  

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87. "RE: well said. i mean im a cynic when it comes to movies but"
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right.
and i was worried that i'd have to do battle with some stans, but my gripes are all about the writing and storytelling. if the actors had a little more to work with, maybe this ish wouldn't have been so suspect.

but, on second thought, i proly will go catch a matinee of this one when it drops to see the audience reaction. i tend to get real nitpicky about movies that disappoint me and i could just be missing the fun of watching this on the big screen.

the possibilities of this film were huge. frank lucas seems to be at least as, if not more, interesting than nicky b.

but New Jack City >>> American Gangster

(part of that is nostalgic, part of it is the damned truth!!!)

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89. "Slate's take"
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http://www.slate.com/id/2177154/

They ain't lovin' it. I don't care, I will see this.

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101. "i thought it was me (c) BBD."
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117. "i think that's the main problem w/ TP films."
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>and a quick final thought:
>for all the hate ppl have for T.P. films, at least he takes a
>clear stance as a director to allow his characters clearly
>defined roles. I think a lot of the problems films like A.G.
>have stem from the participants wanting to show how the good
>guys and the bad guys aren't any different from each other.
>that's not always the case. sometimes the bad guy is actually
>bad and the good guy's just a shithead.

Everything is either clearly good or clearly bad, whereas in life, its not that clear.

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166. "RE: i think that's the main problem w/ TP films."
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I can understand where you're coming from on this. My only gripe with this movie is that the director kept everything morally ambiguous to the point that the movie itself had no compass.

I'd prefer if R. Scott shone a bright white light on his characters and let the chips fall where they may instead of saying, well Frank is this bad dude BUT the cops are bad too!

There is much to be said about characters that are good guys and bad guys and clearly defined as such. I enjoy many family films that are like this, while, I can also enjoy a film where the character is on the fence.

Either way, Ridley was clearly uneducated about his characters' motives and couldn't pull the morality out of this story at all. This is why it's so flat imo. I couldn't root for anyone because everyone deserved all the shit they got.

I've watched this movie twice since the first time I posted about it, and i've spoken to people who've seen it. Everyone is clear that it's a good story, but just an okay film. That's a huge disappointment for me. I had higher hopes for this one.

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90. "Definitely lagged but overall I really liked it"
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Denzel really carried the film. The film seemed to lack a strong throughline or any real driving force. Frank did what he did because he wanted to be rich; Richie did what he did because it was right.

The way this was presented, it really should have been a mini-series, then you could focus on both stories. As it was, they glossed over both in order to cover them. Ridley should have chosen to go with Frank Lucas or go with Richie Roberts. When a film is 2 hours and 40 minutes and you still feel like you never really got to know either character, there's a problem.

Honestly, it's not amazing but it is still one of the best American made films of the year.

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120. "I question the casting still."
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>Denzel really carried the film. The film seemed to lack a
>strong throughline or any real driving force. Frank did what
>he did because he wanted to be rich; Richie did what he did
>because it was right.

Denzel carried the film because Denzel here >>> Crowe here. Russell sleepwalked through his performance. Yes, the international drug business is gonna be a bit more alluring than good ol' fashioned honest police work, but a more well-suited actor in the Roberts role could have elevated that storyline to greater heights. Crowe is a good actor, but I don't how much better he makes the material he's given. What's more, his strongest characteristic, his hulking physical size, seemed almost to be downplayed. And even a bit of the bravado he demonstrated most recently in 3:10 was absent. Compare that to Denzel.

Denzel is able to carry the picture not based on frame alone; instead, he does it with a stockade of charisma. He makes everything and everyone he's around so much more captivating. He's a rare breed who could probably have chemistry with a fence post. And then you'd start giving a shit about the fence post (whereas with Crowe it might just be another piece of lumber in the ground). Note the way he talks to his future wife at the club that first night: he has all the charm and confidence to make their conversation so comfortable it seems like they've been at it for years. You immediately look at this beauty queen a certain way because that's how Denzel looks at her. He is interested, so now so are you. It's a sly kind of presence he carries: not in your face like a Pacino, and not all cufflinks like Clooney, but a rare combination of power and cunning--and it's unmistakable. (The woman buying tickets in front of me simply asked for "Denzel's movie".)

Now who could replace Crowe? I know this is gonna sound like some living-in-a-world-of-hypotheticals exercise, but Benicio Del Toro would have been better suited for the role, in the sense that he would have been capable of matching Denzel and his story. I know Del Toro, many moons ago, was actually in line for the part, and to me it still makes the most sense. BDT and DW are two of a few actors with such natural energy that they could entertain you with a reading from the Yellow Pages. Moreover, whereas Crowe played Roberts like a boy scout, even as he's banging stewardesses on his kitchen counter tops, I think we can better buy Del Toro as the guy who's lived an up-and-down and haggard life personally but has all the professional integrity to turn down a million dollars when he's met with that decision. I mean, take his character in Traffic, the lothario he's played everywhere from Sin City to the tabloid sheets, and his performance in 21 Grams, where he seemed to manifest contradiction without hammering it home, and you've got the perfect match to Denzel's Frank Lucas.

>The way this was presented, it really should have been a
>mini-series, then you could focus on both stories. As it was,
>they glossed over both in order to cover them. Ridley should
>have chosen to go with Frank Lucas or go with Richie Roberts.
>When a film is 2 hours and 40 minutes and you still feel like
>you never really got to know either character, there's a
>problem.

I don't have a problem with Ridley Scott and Steven Zaillian choosing to present both sides, because, for instance, if you stick to only Denzel, that "interrogation" scene with both actors at the end has its legs completely taken out from under it. You lose why Crowe is willing to deal, why he wants cops first and foremost, why Josh Brolin is a big fish to catch, etc. Next, if you stick to only Russell, well--if you wanna be real--then the movie doesn't get made at all. The investigation carried Zodiac, for instance, but it had more ins-and-outs and lasted decades. I didn't get the same sense about the case here.

To tell both stories was not set up to fail. It's just that you needed about thirty minutes more--for the record, it played like a much faster movie--and perhaps a new Richie Roberts.

Ultimately, I think the title and the marketing, as has been mentioned elsewhere, are misleading. You expect you're gonna get this strict gangster tale but obviously don't. Maybe they should have gone back to the original film name: "Tru Blu". Tru Blu not only references Lucas's Blue Magic, the drug side of things, but it also suggests the kind of cop Richie Roberts was.

(As to it being a mini-series, I found for myself a handful of parallels between American Gangster and the first season of The Wire. So, yes, it could have been stretched out even further.)

>Honestly, it's not amazing but it is still one of the best
>American made films of the year.

Amazing at parts . . . never really bad or even mediocre . . . good to great throughout. I agree, it's one of the five or so best I've seen this year.

  

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137. "I really thought Crowe did fine"
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He wasn't really supposed to stand out or steal scenes. More of a quiet charisma, just a blue collar dude trying to do his job.

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91. "if this film doesn't do numbers..."
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i'm talkin' at least 70m+ over the weekend and become #1 i'm blaming the bootleggers, the downloaders, bougie negros, and al sharpton.

bee movie can't outshine this.

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106. "70 million?! you know the movie is almost 3 hours long right?"
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96. "SH!TS WAQ and i saw it like a week ago,WAQ ass shit!!!"
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99. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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CHECK OUT THE LUPE FIASCO VS A TRIBE CALLED QUEST MIXTAPE HERE:

http://www.clmnews.com/Entertainment_Sub_Pages/Music/Mix_Tapes/Lupe_Fiasco/FIASCOGATE.html

ALSO CHECK OUT THE JAY-Z AMERICAN GANGSTER MIXTAPE:
http://www.clmnews.com/Entertainment_Sub_Pages/Music/Mix_Tapes/An_American_Gangster_The_Mixtape_Re-Loaded.html

  

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100. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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CHECK OUT THE LUPE FIASCO VS A TRIBE CALLED QUEST MIXTAPE HERE:

http://www.clmnews.com/Entertainment_Sub_Pages/Music/Mix_Tapes/Lupe_Fiasco/FIASCOGATE.html

ALSO CHECK OUT THE JAY-Z AMERICAN GANGSTER MIXTAPE:
http://www.clmnews.com/Entertainment_Sub_Pages/Music/Mix_Tapes/An_American_Gangster_The_Mixtape_Re-Loaded.html

  

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102. "am i just the biggest godfather fan, or did anyone else catch"
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the few subtle references?

how frank lucas kisses his brother ("you know if you weren't my brother i'd kill you") the same way michael did fredo in cuba?

okay it might be a reach, but *i* see it.

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104. "i thought of the godfather that same scene"
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107. "the purge in reverse."
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all that s*** went down and he was at church.

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108. "saw that too...i was hoping someone would also catch that"
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didn't think anyone else would mention it.

i didn't care for "amazing grace" being the background music though.


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125. "Yup, totally caught that."
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153. "RE: am i just the biggest godfather fan, or did anyone else catch"
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>the few subtle references?
>
>how frank lucas kisses his brother ("you know if you weren't
>my brother i'd kill you") the same way michael did fredo in
>cuba?
>
>okay it might be a reach, but *i* see it.
>
>
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220. "the post drive-by reaction scenes were basically"
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lifted out of Godfather II

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105. "Film worth seeing for Ruby & Denzel's performances alone ..."
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slow in some parts but overall a very good movie. Just getting home after leaving the theatre and still processing the film but Ruby shined and Denzel was thorough.

That is all!

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114. "Also, wanted to compliment Cuba Gooding, Jr."
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he did a great job with the role he had.

That is all!

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156. "cuba did good"
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he seems to do really good in bad guy roles.

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109. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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I'm gonna see this tomarrow or Monday.

  

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110. "$15.82 mill the first day"
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Bee movie made $10 mill...AG should be number one at the box office and the biggest opener and earner of denzel's career

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115. "question"
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Since Frank was supposed to carry on in the exact same way that Bumpy would have, but Bumpy was mad that stores and stuff were getting too big and that they were cutting out the middle man, but that is exactly what Frank did with his business? Im thinking it was just supposed to show how the drug business is just like any other business, with people trying to do whatever they can to make as much money as possible, but does Frank doing this disrespect Bumpy's legacy?

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124. "Frank realized that Bumpy was wrong ..."
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He empathized with the big stores. He said as much when he mentioned that Bumpy didn't own his own business ... that he was rich but not 'white man' rich b/c he worked for 'them.'

That is why Frank wanted to do away with the middle man. Doing so put him at BOSS level and others had to work FOR him in order to make a way.

That is all!

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116. "Denzel/Crowe scene >>> Deniro/Pacino scene?"
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Of course it will be answered with time, but right now, I think the Denzel and Crowe interrogation scene brought more "heat"(*pats self on back*) then the Deniro/Pacino one.

Shit, just the scene alone with Crowe standing at the car when D wals out of the church was fire.

Great flick.

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119. "My heavy Heat bias is going to influence me to say no"
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even though I've seen this movie 3 times already
(all on the big screen, btw)

Maybe I'll expound later

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157. "the scene with crowe and denzel staring each other down outside"
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was pretty powerful... and the interrogation scene was great.

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196. "RE: Denzel/Crowe scene >>> Deniro/Pacino scene?"
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>Of course it will be answered with time, but right now, I
>think the Denzel and Crowe interrogation scene brought more
>"heat"(*pats self on back*) then the Deniro/Pacino one.

Not even close IMO. I have strong bias towards Heat too but Pacino and Deniro had *far* more depth than Denzel and Crowe...the scene in American Gangster was good but wasn't even close to the poignance in Heat and did fall back on cliche a little bit (like much of American Gangster). The coffeeshop scene in Heat cannot be overhyped.

>Shit, just the scene alone with Crowe standing at the car when
>D wals out of the church was fire.

Best scene in the movie for sure.

>Great flick.

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199. "Best scene in the movie?"
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>>Shit, just the scene alone with Crowe standing at the car
>when
>>D wals out of the church was fire.
>
>Best scene in the movie for sure.

I liked the scene where Trujo calls him out for having all that money but he hadn't even bought him a drink yet better.



  

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118. "Excellent movie"
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Favorite scene by far was when Frank was walking out the church and Richie was standing there waiting for him.

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126. "YES."
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That entire scene was perfection.

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173. "thats an iconic moment imo"
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121. "Must Every Vietnam era film Have "All Along the Watchtower" in it?"
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Is that like a soundtrack rule? I love the song, but it gets to be almost predictable. ....I'm gonna look this up

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123. "Josh Brolin Looked Like Nick Nolte circa 48hrs..."
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or that bad movie he made where he was a crooked cop messing w/transvestites one of the two.

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148. "he looked EXACTLY like Nick Nolte in Q & A"
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>or that bad movie he made where he was a crooked cop messing
>w/transvestites one of the two.

ironic that armand assante was in that movie too...

( the scene with armand assante and luis guzman arguing in the police interrogation room is worth the price of the DVD )

  

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127. "Def enjoyed nearly every minute of it"
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Now the movie was pushing 2.5 hours, but no scenes really come to mind that didnt have a purpose. It really went in depth, and the authenticity of everything was just excellent. Some very interesting sub-plots with the family being brought in, the shit with the SIU, relationships with other dealers. As usual, and especially in this flick, the movie did a great job of really having the 'bad guy' portrayed as savior and villain (particularly with that scene with the baby crying next to the mom who seemingly had OD'd days ago, flies buzzing around), its always interesting to see that back and forth, and Scott imo balanced it very well.

Great performances all around, Armand Assante was particularly brilliant imo as Dominic Cattano. Denzel played up to his ability, and Russel, although nothing show-stealing, def did his role justice as well. The character of Richie, although not as developed as Frank Lucas, def was quite interesting with his family shit going on, and his ties to his high school buddies/ criminals.

Enjoyed everything about the movie, and it passed by quite quickly imo....I was fully immersed. That final shootout was pretty damn sick, and when Richie and Frank finally get to sit-down 1-1, that was an amazing scene imo. Solid on all fronts.

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128. "More Heat than Goodfellas. I enjoyed the hell out of it."
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I mean, there are some legitimate gripes in this post...but I certainly dug it. Great acting all around, well done, and gripping even at over 2.5 hours. The last scene was perfect, IMO (I haven't read the script or seen one of the earlier cuts so I'm not sure what scene Zoo was talking about...but that last shot was great).

I laughed out loud at Common being TI's dad though.

I really enjoyed it and was entertained. Any time I can see a movie with 3 other people and nobody complains about the length, that was likely a good movie.

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129. "I caught the real Richie and F. Lucas on..."
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Charlie Rose' show last night w/ Ridley Scott and the reporter that wrote the original NY magazine article that sparked Hollywood's interest--all at one table. I was really impressed w/ the authenticity and the cinematography. I never knew Lucas was the kingpin behind 'blue magic'. As much as the OG's here in DC wax poetic about THAT dope, that shit tripped me out. What's bugged is that the prosecuter is currently putting Lucas' son through school and is his mentor. Solid movie. Denzel brought it, although after seeing the real Frank Lucas on Rose (who is like a cross between Larry Flynt and Curtis Mayfield!?!), I can't help but feel that Jamie Fox would have wore the fuck out of the role.

  

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131. "I loved that last shot"
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221. "yes."
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a fun movie worth re-watching. and in 10 years all these "it ain't got shit on Goodfellas!" whiners will probably be praising it like a semi-masterpiece in the same vein as Heat.

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130. "a solid B+. Liked but didn't love."
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Denzel of course owns every nanosecond he's on screen. This is a given. His portrayl of Lucas will probably go down as one of his better roles, too. Ruthless and calculating and occasionally prone to whooping that ass, but with an air of reason and respectability. He was a businessman first, and in another time and place perhaps would have had just as much success in a more legitimate arena.

I'm not terribly familiar with Frank Lucas so I primarly judged the character based on how he broke various gangster movie cliches. He wasn't the center of attention, wasn't over-flashy (minus that one discretion with the chinchilla body-sock he wore to the fight)... He didn't get high on his own supply, he had a temper but he never succumbed to that crazy violent paranoia that you so often see in these types. His wife wasn't his downfall. Even when his whole operation was coming unhinged, he kept it together. So while the overall story was fairly predictable, Frank Lucas was not portrayed as a paint by the numbers criminal. You're never quite sure what he's gonna do next.

I wasn't mad at Crowe either. He was a decent enough foil and I think his character contributed some really great symmetry to the film. All too often we see movies that focus on the gangsters for 90 minutes, then in the last 10 some generic cops swoop in and do their thing. I think the way AG is structured it's a lot more rewarding because it builds a more genuine tension. Would have been nice to see him and Washington share a little more screen time because that seemed to be a high point of the movie.

But when all was said and done I left the theater feeling like I'd just seen a really good movie if not a great one. It's definitely too long. If you're movie is nearing the 3 hour mark, and you STILL have to do the whole 'let's wrap it up real quick with some captions' thing, you did something wrong.

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132. "Do you think it was too long?"
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I mean...I see your point about the captions at the end, but really I though parts were underdeveloped. Like the movie technically COULD have ended at the church, but then there was the whole police corruption angle which, while set up throughout the film, was sort of rushed. I dunno.

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136. "The movie was too long, yet underdeveloped in parts"
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I'm gonna have to watch it again at some point because it's a weird thing. I walked out of that theater feeling that a.) the movie was too long and b.) I wanted more. I'm not sure how that happens, but there you go.

Once Crowe and Washington start teaming up, you want to see more of that despite the fact you've already been watching for over 2.5 hours. It felt like that part of the story could have been its own movie. Happens with a lot of biopics, there's just too much material to fit into 2 hours.

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133. "his wife was sort of to blame"
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> He wasn't the center of attention, wasn't
>over-flashy (minus that one discretion with the chinchilla
>body-sock he wore to the fight)... He didn't get high on his
>own supply, he had a temper but he never succumbed to that
>crazy violent paranoia that you so often see in these types.
>His wife wasn't his downfall.

according to the movie it was at the ali match that he was first noticed partially because of the coat that his wife bought him. you could see back at his house how he knew he shouldn't wear it, but he just couldn't say no to a gift from his wife. so both of them, wife included, paid for not continuing to play the low profile role.

  

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134. "Well, sure...but..."
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The wife wasn't some evil character like Sharon Stone in Casino, Penelope Cruz in Blow, etc.

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135. "yeah, that's what I'm saying"
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Plus it's not like he would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for that meddling chinchilla coat! He did sort of slip up for a brief second there, and it cost him, but ultimately the guy was gonna get noticed. Success has enemies.

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143. "true"
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138. "guy sitting next to me in the theater=worth the price of admission alone"
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I'm not condoning the act of talking during movies, but this guy was so thoroughly in awe of Denzel that it was just hilarious. He was kind of muttering this stuff under his breath either out of politeness or just him being completely unaware that he was actually speaking and not just thinking this stuff.

Guy next to me when we first see the room full of naked chicks making Blue Magic:
'Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn'


Guy next to me anytime Lucas says anything about America, race, crime, politics, etc.

'That is so truuuuuuuuuue'


Guy next to me when Lucas shoots a guy in the head in broad daylight in front of witnesses"

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139. "Ugh. I had 3 kids sitting behind me."
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And I don't mean "kids" as in 15 year olds. I mean like 2 9 year olds and a 4 year old. With their parents. All of whom thought it was okay to talk during the movie. And grab my chair. And kick my chair.

I mean look...I know I showed up 10 minutes before the movie and I had to sit in the 3rd row as punishment...but c'mon.

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140. "agh, I hate that shit"
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>I mean look...I know I showed up 10 minutes before the movie
>and I had to sit in the 3rd row as punishment...but c'mon.

And if it wasn't for the 30 minutes spent finding parking (still getting used to this aspect of city life), there might have been time for a decent seat. Maybe even popcorn, who knows. I wonder if the movie itself was too long, or if 2.5+ hours is simply too long to hold your head up at that angle.

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141. "Set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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Performed more like the 2000 team.

Won, but wasn't as impressive as the names on paper seemed. I enjoyed the movie, but I didn't seemed blown away.

Another thing hurting the movie is the slew of information coming out now telling you who the real frank lucas is/was.
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142. "dreadfully boring"
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and thats being nice about it

denzel and russel sleeped-walk through this whole thing.

and do you blame them? they got paid, so...

the storyline(s)/theme,etc was poorly developed, as well as the characters

it was one big hodgepodge of event stacked upon event, with some soul music of that time period.

i mean...didn't you feel Frank's wife's pain when he threw the chinchilla in the fireplace? lmao

enough with the dumbass cliches, trying to sound deep. the characters were caricatures.

oh...and Cuba Gooding as Nicky Barnes??? Wanye "bout to choke a bitch" Brady was more convincing on the Chappelle Show.

lmao @ "oh richie....fuck me like a cop, not a lawyer"...that was the best part of the whole movie.

just one flat muthaf*ckin movie. flatter than ghetto orange soda.

alhough its wack, i'm glad for Denzel that its #1 though...


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145. "RE: dreadfully boring"
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amen

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152. "Well... yeah, basically."
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I liked it a little more than that, but this is pretty much accurate. I wish this had been Scorsese instead of Scott..

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154. "flat is the perfect word to describe it"
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frank barnes' story is more than fascinating enough to make a great movie on its own, especially with denzel in the lead...just spend 2.5 hours talkin about him and his family life and you got a pretty good movie, it would seem.

Somehow that ain't happen with this one

  

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182. "frank barnes?"
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how about nicky lucas?

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222. "lol, I actually agree with almost all these points"
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but somehow I still liked this movie. maybe I just overlooked them for my own sake, but I enjoyed those 2.5 hours more than a bunch of 2007 films put together

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144. "Joe Morton=Gordon Parks?"
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Was Charlie Williams really supposed to be Gordon Parks?
I mean how many cats look like that and dress like that?

Anyone else besides me wonder this?

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147. "this was like cramming an entire season of The Wire into 3 episodes"
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buckshot summed it up perfectly above in saying it was too long yet still felt underdeveloped. it's just really difficult to fit that much material into a 2.5 hour movie.

I enjoyed it for what it was, and there are shades of greatness in it but the last hour or so I was back and forth between hoping it would just end so i could go home.... then being drawn back in again.

  

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149. "co-sign. n/m"
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151. "right, but missing The Wire's insight"
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It was missing The Wire's keen vision of the human/moral cost of The Game..

The human suffering that fueled Lucas' career was shown at times, with the montages of junkies OD-ing etc, but in the climax and payoff of the story that part, the ugly truth at the core of everything, was basically forgotten..

It felt to me like one of those "based on a true story" movies that has a checklist of ideas and facts to squeeze in, and basically runs down the list while they execute the standard cop vs. crime boss formula. But never gives itself room to take those ideas seriously and make them integral parts of the story. It didn't seem like a movie that cared about ideas.

Even campy as it was, I'd say Black Caesar did this story better.

But I did like how they slipped that Stay High 149 tag in the background during the drug raid!

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178. "B.A.S.I.C.A.L.L.Y."
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that was one of the greatest films i have ever seen. it met and exceeded my expectations. ridley, denzel and russell really made something with this. it was really amazing.

i just wanted to get that out.

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158. "wigger next to me chuckled everytime someone got shot"
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chaotiq
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160. "i'm sure we'll see a director's cut dvd"
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yes parts of the film feel rushed. i'm almost certain there will be a directors cut. ridley scott films always get chopped up.

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161. "RE: American Gangster is set up like the 92 Olympic bball team."
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I liked the film, I thought it was very enjoyable. Is it perfect? No. I liked it, though. I thought all three rappers (Common, TI, and RZA) were decent. Common and TI's roles were limited, but okay. I thought RZA did a pretty good job.

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164. "RZA owned for "It's me, it's bugaloo baby!" alone"
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nm

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170. "i thought tip was a rather convincin bumpkin"
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167. "my only critiques..."
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~the scene where frank's mother hugs him in the bedroom, her nails are manicured & polished
i wouldn't have had that
perhaps u would've seen them done nicely once she'd started bein escorted to church by him

~the scene after frank shoots tango
when they pan to the country boys in the cafe
i'd have had that shot be longer, more extended

~the scene where frank shoots tango
i'd have had it been gorier
like brain matter on the concrete
because it's one thing to be a bad enuff nigger to shoot someone in broad daylight
but it's quite another to stand over someone w/his brains splatter'd over the ground & place money into a tip jar

i felt as tho there was alot missin
@ times i had to remind myself this wasn't a spike lee joint
the players & the nyc backdrop had me in that frame of mind


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171. "fiyastarter review is so funny"
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http://fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-ent-moviereview-agangster.html

Oh, it's a good movie. You will never hear me say it isn't a good movie. It might even be a great movie, but it's not a classic, as some are calling it. It could have been a classic, but it's not. Do you know why it's not a classic? Because classic movies tell the story of ONE fucking character.

American Gangster was supposed to tell the story of Frank Lucas, who ruled Harlem in the late 60s and early 70s, by flooding the streets with more white powder than fat sistas use between their titties in mid-August. He amassed a fortune, well over a quarter of a billion dollars, by shipping pure heroin from the jungles of Vietnam on US cargo planes, hiding the bricks of product in the coffins of dead soldiers.

That was the story I came to see.

However, the story I saw was that of Ritchie Roberts, honest ass super cop, who doggedly sought to end Lucas' empire. I learned all about Ritchie being a bad father, a womanizing husband, but otherwise good friend. Sort of like Larry Bird. As I sat there in disbelief, watching Ritchie's story interrupt (not intersect) Frank's, I thought to myself, "Who the fuck does Russell Crowe think he is? THIS ISN'T HIS FUCKING MOVIE!" How many times did Crowe send that script back, demanding more lines and insisting on scenes where he's fucking some skank? What in the world did that have to do with Frank Lucas dominating Harlem? And why the hell didn't Cuba get more lines?! I thought for sure they'd play up Frank's rivalry with the legendary Nicky Barnes (Cuba Gooding Jr.), but nooooo...there wasn’t any time, because Russell had to develop his one-dimensional character when the GODDAMN MOVIE WASN'T ABOUT HIS FUNKY ASS!

Just as Cuba starts making them good faces and gets his gangstafied swagger in gear, here comes Russell, sitting in court, slowing the damn movie down with some bullshit ass child custody case. This was a once in a lifetime shot for Cuba to show just how black he could be and Russell ruined it. Now, Cuba’s gonna go right back to doing those wack ass comedies he's been doing since he won that Oscar. Thanks, Russell. And the worst part is that I like Carla Gugino (She plays Ritchie's ex-wife), but she should've only had one line in this whole damn movie: "Ritchie, you're a good cop, but you're a shitty father and a worse husband. I'm taking your son and we're going to Vegas." That's his back story, period. WRAP IT UP!!!

Thanks, Russell, for hogging up minutes that could have been spent getting more signature “My man” punches out of Denzel and lines out of Ruby Dee, Chewetel Ejiofor, Roger Guenveur Smith, Josh Brolin...wait, wait, wait...a word about Josh Brolin, folks. He is fucking incredible. Other than Denzel, the actor who most deserves to be recognized for their work in this film is Josh Brolin. He holds his own with Denzel in each of their scenes together. If someone argued he got the best of Denzel, I wouldn't even debate it, because he was just that good.

Don't feel bad, people. There are enough people praising this movie; you don't need Reggie's seal of Fiya approval. But, I can’t, in good conscience, give this movie a superior rating, because I know in my heart, that Russell Crowe took a great script and wiped his ass with it. Then, he took another script and counted his lines again and said, "Okay, mate!" I wish a hotel worker woulda came from nowhere and bust that jackass in the head with a telephone during one of those lame ass court room scenes.

And while I’m wishing, I really wish the guy in charge of makeup would’ve gotten smacked silly for making Joe Morton look like a damn fool with that blond mustache and conk. He looked like the Martin character, Bob from Marketing, for Christ’s sake. What an eyesore. You saw it.


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172. "An on point review for the most part."
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I didn't mind the Crowe story that much....sorta felt like Heat (like I was saying) or Zodiac with the 2 major plots rather than a subplot. The story IS about Frank Lucas and while reflecting on it they made it too much about Crowe, I didn't mind it.

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177. "good review!"
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i still liked the movie, but if they had focused more on Frank and less on Richie it would have been a classic

  

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179. "lmao nice"
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211. "this is great!"
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now or never
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174. "i wanted this movie to be so much better."
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and i'm noticing in the replies that people keep starting off saying, "it was good, not great, but good" and for me, the fact that i had seen so many specials on frank lucas and nicky barnes before i saw the movie definately spoiled the experience somewhat, but i will say this...

this movie is a biopic, and there are a lot of bad biopics. most of them fall into one of the same three traps.

1) the audience comes in knowing the story already (or most of it) and the film tells it chronologically, so you anticipate whats gonna happen every step.
2) they tend to place heavier emphasis on story instead of character, so you don't really get the depth needed to identify with the main character or understand where he's coming from (if it does happen, it's done in flashbacks like "ray" or "malcolm x") the story moves along without us understanding the character's motivations beyond a surface level.
3) they are forced to pack a lot of information in a little bit of time. you don't have time to rationalize re-occuring themes or motifs or examine a character's pathology. instead you have an abundance of unnecessary characters, several key events that they feel obligated to include, and a main character whose entire mentality and motivation is supposed to be summed up in a few cliche memorable lines that get dropped throughout the movie ("either you're somebody or you're nobody." "this is america, i aint runnin from nobody" *murks tango and comes back* "now what was i saying?")


american gangster's strength to me came from the vivid relentlessness of frank lucas. we see him set people on fire, shoot people, beat down his own family members, and all with the same merciless demeanor. but it doesn't really resonate because we never get any insight into what made him this way. its suggested toward the end that seeing his cousin murdered by the police is part of it, but it's not strong enough. i never felt drawn into him or even really liked him the way i would say a tony soprano, who carries on with the same kind of ruthlessness, but through his wisecracking and childlike persona i'm able to like within 5 minutes as opposed to two hours. same thing with denzel in "training day," when the most fascinating thing about the alonzo character was the way we heard him rationalize his miserable hypocrisy through a self made code of ethics he articulated to ethan hawke's character. richie roberts, even though we see more of where his head is at, seems to come across just as flat.

basically, if they had done with richie roberts and frank lucas what was done with dicaprio and matt damon's characters in the departed in terms of their parallels and depicting them as different halves of the same miserable inescapable reality, american gangster would have been a fantastic film, a classic even. they could have done it, too. all they needed to do was take out some of the characters, skip some of the events, and give denzel and russell each more dialogue. maybe denzel's character could have taken t.i. under his wing more, mentored him and given him a little game, that way the audience could have understood him better and liked him more. maybe richie roberts is a raging alcoholic and he sits at the bar after work and rants about how fucked up the system he works for really is, then tries to tell the same rant to a woman he's fucking, only she doesn't listen. at several points it feels like it's right there on giving us that one great powerful scene where we get that glimpse into the main characters, then it stops short to get on with the story.

i liked it, but i wanted that shit to be intricate and well thought out and original and all that. it felt like fucking and not busting a nut.

  

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175. "this sums it up perfectly"
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>2) they tend to place heavier emphasis on story instead of
>character, so you don't really get the depth needed to
>identify with the main character or understand where he's
>coming from (if it does happen, it's done in flashbacks like
>"ray" or "malcolm x") the story moves along without us
>understanding the character's motivations beyond a surface
>level.
>3) they are forced to pack a lot of information in a little
>bit of time. you don't have time to rationalize re-occuring
>themes or motifs or examine a character's pathology. instead
>you have an abundance of unnecessary characters, several key
>events that they feel obligated to include, and a main
>character whose entire mentality and motivation is supposed to
>be summed up in a few cliche memorable lines that get dropped
>throughout the movie ("either you're somebody or you're
>nobody." "this is america, i aint runnin from nobody" *murks
>tango and comes back* "now what was i saying?")
>
>
>american gangster's strength to me came from the vivid
>relentlessness of frank lucas. we see him set people on fire,
>shoot people, beat down his own family members, and all with
>the same merciless demeanor. but it doesn't really resonate
>because we never get any insight into what made him this way.
>its suggested toward the end that seeing his cousin murdered
>by the police is part of it, but it's not strong enough. i
>never felt drawn into him or even really liked him the way i
>would say a tony soprano, who carries on with the same kind of
>ruthlessness, but through his wisecracking and childlike
>persona i'm able to like within 5 minutes as opposed to two
>hours. same thing with denzel in "training day," when the most
>fascinating thing about the alonzo character was the way we
>heard him rationalize his miserable hypocrisy through a self
>made code of ethics he articulated to ethan hawke's character.
>richie roberts, even though we see more of where his head is
>at, seems to come across just as flat.
>

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187. "wow my thoughts exactly"
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>and i'm noticing in the replies that people keep starting off
>saying, "it was good, not great, but good" and for me, the
>fact that i had seen so many specials on frank lucas and nicky
>barnes before i saw the movie definately spoiled the
>experience somewhat, but i will say this...
>
>this movie is a biopic, and there are a lot of bad biopics.
>most of them fall into one of the same three traps.
>
>1) the audience comes in knowing the story already (or most of
>it) and the film tells it chronologically, so you anticipate
>whats gonna happen every step.
>2) they tend to place heavier emphasis on story instead of
>character, so you don't really get the depth needed to
>identify with the main character or understand where he's
>coming from (if it does happen, it's done in flashbacks like
>"ray" or "malcolm x") the story moves along without us
>understanding the character's motivations beyond a surface
>level.
>3) they are forced to pack a lot of information in a little
>bit of time. you don't have time to rationalize re-occuring
>themes or motifs or examine a character's pathology. instead
>you have an abundance of unnecessary characters, several key
>events that they feel obligated to include, and a main
>character whose entire mentality and motivation is supposed to
>be summed up in a few cliche memorable lines that get dropped
>throughout the movie ("either you're somebody or you're
>nobody." "this is america, i aint runnin from nobody" *murks
>tango and comes back* "now what was i saying?")
>
>
>american gangster's strength to me came from the vivid
>relentlessness of frank lucas. we see him set people on fire,
>shoot people, beat down his own family members, and all with
>the same merciless demeanor. but it doesn't really resonate
>because we never get any insight into what made him this way.
>its suggested toward the end that seeing his cousin murdered
>by the police is part of it, but it's not strong enough. i
>never felt drawn into him or even really liked him the way i
>would say a tony soprano, who carries on with the same kind of
>ruthlessness, but through his wisecracking and childlike
>persona i'm able to like within 5 minutes as opposed to two
>hours. same thing with denzel in "training day," when the most
>fascinating thing about the alonzo character was the way we
>heard him rationalize his miserable hypocrisy through a self
>made code of ethics he articulated to ethan hawke's character.
>richie roberts, even though we see more of where his head is
>at, seems to come across just as flat.
>
>basically, if they had done with richie roberts and frank
>lucas what was done with dicaprio and matt damon's characters
>in the departed in terms of their parallels and depicting them
>as different halves of the same miserable inescapable reality,
>american gangster would have been a fantastic film, a classic
>even. they could have done it, too. all they needed to do was
>take out some of the characters, skip some of the events, and
>give denzel and russell each more dialogue. maybe denzel's
>character could have taken t.i. under his wing more, mentored
>him and given him a little game, that way the audience could
>have understood him better and liked him more. maybe richie
>roberts is a raging alcoholic and he sits at the bar after
>work and rants about how fucked up the system he works for
>really is, then tries to tell the same rant to a woman he's
>fucking, only she doesn't listen. at several points it feels
>like it's right there on giving us that one great powerful
>scene where we get that glimpse into the main characters, then
>it stops short to get on with the story.
>
>i liked it, but i wanted that shit to be intricate and well
>thought out and original and all that. it felt like fucking
>and not busting a nut.
>
>


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176. "but when Dicaprio and Damon finally meet, you're like 'Oh shit'"
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Departed: when they finally square off on the roof, you're like "uh ohhhhhhh"

but when Russel and Denzel meet it was completely anti-climatic.

  

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180. "should abeen a trilogy"
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183. "I enjoyed it... other than the fact I saw a mic in every fuckin scene!"
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did anybody else see this?
i hope my theater didn't get a shit copy because its one of the best theaters in maryland

there was a mic over the actors head in damn near every fuckin scene though.

the one that tripped me out the most is towards the end when crow is in the bathroom you can CLEARLY see a big ass pole coming out of the bathroom stall with a mic at the end of it.

i shouldn't have to see these things over peoples heads in a movie. If it had an all white cast this shit wouldn't fly. Was very distracting.

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184. "Yes, racism is to blame for your seeing mics in every scene."
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You can't be serious.

>If it had an all white cast this shit wouldn't fly.
>Was very distracting.
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186. "Yeah, that white projection operator in your theater should be Imused."
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188. "BWHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!"
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>i shouldn't have to see these things over peoples heads in a
>movie. If it had an all white cast this shit wouldn't fly.
>Was very distracting.

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191. "The SAME THING happened to me"
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I didn't want to leave the movie to complain, though.

  

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That would be Benny 'Boom Mic' Marciano, one of Lucas's most trusted associates turned FBI informant.

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189. "Finally saw it. Not much too add that hasn't been said already."
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Totally agree with the majority here. Good but not great & it could've & should've been.

Denzel was solid as usual but didn't really stand out like I think Don Cheadle would've. I thought Josh Brolin did indeed steal scenes & the movie overall from him & everyone else in any scene he was in. And that's a pretty big accomplishment with a cast like this. Armand Assante was great as well.

I also wish the movie would've focused more on Frank's dealings with Tango & Barnes. As well as his dealings w/ Richie & the Vietnam angle in sneaking the H back in the coffins. The 1st time he goes over there I whispered over to my girlfriend that I was surprised that scene was taking place so early in the movie. But it got wrapped up way to easy & quick & then didn't get touched on again till the very end & was wrapped up way to easy & quick again. And that's how most of the scenes in this movie felt. Some shit would just happen but it was never really explained in good enough detail. The cop that takes down the bad guy ends up becoming his defense attorney & all we get is subtitles? Weak

After seeing Crowe play the bad ass cop Bud White in L.A. Confidnetial, the role of Richie Roberts was a letdown. I would've liked to see what Benecio would've brought to the role. He played that cop with a tortured soul very well in Traffic & probably would've been more effective than Crowe even though he did have a soft side to him as Bud White as well. It was just executed better in L.A. Confidential. The movie had such a great cast it should've given the supporting actors more to do to flex their chops but only a few of them got to shine & even those moments were few & far between. Maybe the directors cut will give them that oppotunity. It was interesting to see Denzel & Chiwetel playing criminals after watching them play cops in Inside Man but Chiwetel character should've been developed more.

Denzel's wife was dull as hell. Not sure if it was the actress to blame but Dania Ramirez was originally cast in the film when Antoine Fuqua was attached & I would've much rather seen her in that role.
Like some of the others I wasn't expecting to see the Wu tat on a 70's cat. I also didn't expect the movie to have as much of an emotional effect on me as it did but I found it to be quite sad at times with all of the graphic drug scenes.

  

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190. "it was the script, fam. the cast did what they could, i think."
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denzel and russell's roles were weak because they were written that way.
they just aint have enough dialogue.
one of the most crucial scenes in the movie (with ruby dee toward the end) denzel barely had any lines.
russell couldn't really play the tortured cop cuz they aint give him nuffin to work with.
waaaaay too many characters, waaaaaay too much story to fit in, nowhere near enough character development.
weak script.



i'm just gon start slappin motherfuckers on sight.

  

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193. "No doubt. I dont blame the cast. I wonder how the other script was."
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Terry George wrote a screenplay & I liked what he did with the Hart's War script.

>denzel and russell's roles were weak because they were
>written that way.
>they just aint have enough dialogue.
>one of the most crucial scenes in the movie (with ruby dee
>toward the end) denzel barely had any lines.
>russell couldn't really play the tortured cop cuz they aint
>give him nuffin to work with.
>waaaaay too many characters, waaaaaay too much story to fit
>in, nowhere near enough character development.
>weak script.

Yeah that was a stellar cast but 1/2 of them were pretty much wasted. I would've liked to have seen more from cats like John Hawkes, Jon Polito & Norman Reedus who were all great in their opening scenes but then never really got to do anything afterwards.

  

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195. "i enjoyed it but i also agree w a lot of what was said in here BUT"
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i have a question

so crowes character

he went from lead cop, to lead prosecuter just cuz he passed the bar? and then he quit and became denzels defense attorney for what... probation hearings? i dont get it

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197. "yeah, i didnt get that either"
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>i have a question
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>so crowes character
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>he went from lead cop, to lead prosecuter just cuz he passed
>the bar? and then he quit and became denzels defense attorney
>for what... probation hearings? i dont get it

this all seemed really unlikely. i cant imagine its a good idea for a lead detective to be the lead prosecutor. im thinking of mcnulty prosecuting stringer bell. just doesnt seem like a good idea.

would he question himself about his investigation.

pretend to be cats don't seem to know they limitations
exact replication and false representation

  

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198. "Wouldn't it have been nice if those things were addressed in the"
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movie?

I mean seriously they really dropped the ball on that one.

  

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200. "WAS I THE ONLY ONE WHO EXPECTED A GUNFIGHT IN THE..."
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thailand poppy fields/jungle?
i mean, really, that seemed like a golden opportunity to make the movie about 10 times better.
i'm done.


i'm just gon start slappin motherfuckers on sight.

  

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201. "according to Lucas, there was"
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http://nymag.com/nymag/features/3649/

^^a must read^^

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203. "and this is what i remember thinking when i first read that article..."
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when i was reaaaaaally hyped to see to movie
like "damn, and i remember seeing denzel in the boat in the jungle in the trailer, too! that shit is gonna be fuckin dope!"
they even built it up a little too on some "nigga, you goin in the jungle?"
then it ended up being, "alright, here's the drugs. peace."
WHAAAAAAAAAA!?


i'm just gon start slappin motherfuckers on sight.

  

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205. "3/5"
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pretty good

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Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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206. "RE: Only half the story was told"
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A black man can transport cocaine in the coffins of dead U.S. soldiers and white people don't know about it. Hollywood need to stop trying to fool me.

For whatever reason the Feds. turned a blind eye on Lucas just like they did Whitey Bulger(whose story was told in the Departed) until they found it *convienent* to pursue a case against them.
The Italian mafia could have wacked his black ass from the jump but they did not. I wonder why? Am I really supposed to believe the Dons is gonna just let a nigga that was carrying Bumpy's coat call the shots?
Real drug kingpen's have political ties.

My guess is Frank like Whitey was a federal informer. He always was an informer not he later became an informer. That is why Lucas is still alive. As for Whitey, I don't think he is on the run at all, lol.
AG is just some fairytail spin. They ain't even telling half the story here.

I did not find the film very entertaining. Denzel's performance was a bit lackluster in my opinion. An o.k. film not great and definitely not a classic. If it were not for the oscar buzz and the Jay-Z album of the same title this film would not have grossed more than 70 million.

Her's a link
www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/americangangster.php

Check out the real facts of the story.

  

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207. "RE: I ain't the only one seeing the b.s."
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http://dredlockesq.blogspot.com/
American gangster
Why this movie bothers me?
Leon Smith


In response to all of the hype, I went and watched American Gangster tonight. My feelings on it are a bit split. Looking at it strictly as a film, it was well made. As with any movie starring two Academy Award winning actors like Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe, the acting was superb. I thought Ruby Dee (a true legend) was excellent as Frank Lucas mother. Not a lot of scenes but powerful in the ones she did have. The movie is long (almost 3 hours) but if flows well...


The movie left me bothered though.....The movie takes the path of portraying Frank Lucas as a redemptive figure in the end, showing him in a positive light in spite of what he symbolized, which was the spread of death throughout the black community. As much as some will laud him for his "smart" approach to crime (Typical Sicilian mob values such as not showing your money and surrounding yourself with family to insulate yourself), the reality is that this man pushed a product onto the streets more potent than what was already there, and that led to a boom in addiction and all that goes with it.


Furthermore, it was a reflection of the time. The movie covered a period from 1967 to 1973. This was the era of Cointelpro, the FBI's program that investigated and took down what it thought to be "dissident political organizations" in the US. Among these organizations were civil rights organizations, including Dr. King's SCLC and many others. So during a time when there was a groundswell of unity and an activist spirit in inner city black communities, and the government was trying to undermine this movement , along comes Frank Lucas.


We're supposed to believe that a former bodyguard and flunky for Bumpy Johnson (another small time hood), through a family member in Vietnam just STUMBLES by accident on a pure heroin connection worth hundreds of millions of dollars and is able to outsmart the CIA and other federal agencies, and smuggle it into the country for 6 YEARS right under their noses without them knowing anything about it. (All during a time of cointelpro here and a war in the region there).


Yup, I put that right up there with a fat white guy with a beard in a red suit coming down my chimney to drop off presents and a rabbit that lays colored eggs in April.


In my view: This whole Frank Lucas rise happened on the governments watch.....they watched him import enourmous amounts of pure heroin into the black communities to extinguish the black consciousness and civil rights movement of the 60's. Then once things were done and an entire community was sick, down and out, he gets a slap on the wrist (after the fact) and lives out his life in peace rather than dying in prison.


Consider in the aftermath of this time, Afros, dashikis and positive entertainment were replaced by perms and pimp coats glamorized in flicks like "Superfly" and "The Mack". A movement gone...


I know some will try to dismiss this as another "Bringing the black man down" rant (seems like that's what conservative types call any attempt to call the government out on a racial issue.....it is an attempt to group all arguments together and dismiss them). But when you look at the facts, its clear that Frank Lucas rise and fall, and the many people who were addicted and killed during its time, took place on the watch of those who could have prevented it if they wanted to.


Add to that the fact that the movie really doesn't leave enough of a "cautionary tale". Young people who see this will see a man who had a beauty queen wife, money, cars, clothes and a glamorous lifestyle who beat the system time and time again and in the end walked away unscathed. Not the best message at all, especially during a time where I have to read about young people, the people I work with, shooting at each other on a daily basis.


It is what it is....And as much as I can appreciate a well acted movie, the man it portrays and what transpired around his rise sickens me.

  

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208. "it bothered me that they didn't show more crackheads"
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the extreme side of what he was doing

  

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209. "The scene w/ the baby crying & screaming next to the od victim"
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on the bed bothered me plenty. I really didn't need to see anything more on that level after that. That image is still stuck in my head.

  

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210. "^ for revisiting"
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Nope

Do it here
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212. "They're gettin sued"
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"Frank was illiterate, Frank was vicious, violent. Frank was everything Denzel Washington was not."
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Fabrications plague `American Gangster'

By JAKE COYLE, AP Entertainment Writer 1 hour, 20 minutes ago

NEW YORK - In "American Gangster," which is "based on a true story," Denzel Washington — as the `70s drug lord Frank Lucas — confidently marches deep into the jungles of Southeast Asia as the Vietnam War rages in the background. He is looking for drugs.
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Later, we see police break open the caskets of Vietnam casualties flown back to the States, searching for the heroin Lucas has audaciously hidden beneath the corpses. Then Lucas is shown as the dope dealer-turned-reformer as he exposes legions of corrupt police.

Except none of the above ever happened.

The Harlem kingpin's infamous "cadaver connection" — a pipeline of top-grade Southeast Asia heroin smuggled in GI caskets — has always been at the center of his considerable and enduring mythology.

But it turns out that the casket story is just that — a myth. And after revelations that "American Gangster" fabricates Lucas' role in rooting out police corruption, the film's credibility could be damaged just as the Oscar race launches with nominations on Tuesday.

"Everybody always thought the caskets (carried heroin) — even I thought it," says federal Judge Sterling Johnson Jr., who as special narcotics prosecutor was instrumental in Lucas' arrest and trial.

"The picture is 1 percent reality and 99 percent Hollywood," Johnson says. "Frank was illiterate, Frank was vicious, violent. Frank was everything Denzel Washington was not."

On Wednesday, several former Drug Enforcement Agents who investigated Lucas filed a class-action lawsuit against General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal claiming the film defames them and grossly misrepresents the truth. Produced by Brian Grazer and directed by Ridley Scott, the film has grossed more than $129 million at the box office and won largely positive reviews.

Johnson says Lucas wasn't capable of securing a drug connection from the infamous Golden Triangle. Instead, it was Leslie "Ike" Atkinson, a sometimes supplier for Lucas, who was recently released from prison after serving more than 30 years.

Atkinson has said he shipped drugs in furniture, not caskets.

"It is a total lie that's fueled by Frank Lucas for personal gain," Atkinson said by e-mail. "I never had anything to do with transporting heroin in coffins or cadavers."

Author and journalist Ron Chepesiuk is currently working on a biography of Atkinson and co-authored "Superfly: The True, Untold Story of Frank Lucas, American Gangster." He blames the media for allowing Lucas' story to go unchecked.

Chepesiuk says his research found no evidence or court records to substantiate the cadaver connection, "the biggest hoax in the history of the international drug trade."

The story of Lucas' supposed connection first flourished on the streets, and was widely spread in a 2000 New York magazine article by Mark Jacobson. His article was the basis for the movie.

"The magazine piece is a presentation of this guy's story and that's what he had to say," Jacobson says.

Even Lucas, now 77 and living in New Jersey, now claims he only smuggled heroin through coffins once. "I had a false-bottom coffin made."

New Jersey police detective Richard "Richie" Roberts (played by Russell Crowe) is elevated to Lucas' foil in the film. Though Roberts, now a defense attorney, did play a role in the prosecution of Lucas, on screen he's a composite of many detectives and prosecutors.

"They wanted a white boy," Lucas says of Roberts character.

Lucas is shown to turn informant, specifically against corrupt police officers. A legend at the end of the movie claims three-fourths of New York's Drug Enforcement Agency were convicted thanks to Lucas' cooperation.

On Wednesday, former DEA agents Jack Toal, Gregory Korniloff and Louis Diaz filed their lawsuit, represented by Dominic Amorosa, a prosecutor in the 1975 federal case against Lucas.

"(Lucas) was my informant for years," Toal says. "He never mentioned any crooked DEA agent or cop."

A DEA spokesman in Washington, Garrison Courtney, confirmed that no agents were ever charged with wrongdoing in the case.

A Universal Pictures spokesman, Michael Moses, has said the lawsuit is "entirely without merit" and that the film "does not defame these or any federal agents."

The day before the lawsuit was filed, a spokesperson for the studio gave a statement to The Associated Press stating: "Universal Pictures has every confidence that the material facts are conveyed truthfully in 'American Gangster,' from abundant research with direct sources and from the public record."

Grazer, who bought the story and shepherded the project for years, declined to be interviewed for this article.

Lucas can only recall informing on a police detective he called "Babyface," but denies informing on other gangsters or drug dealers: "I never testified on nobody," he said.

Prosecutors involved in the case have contradicted that. Roberts, who prosecuted the superseding indictment in New Jersey, says of Lucas' insistence that he didn't inform on fellow dealers: "Absolutely not. He gets mad every time I tell the truth." (Roberts and Lucas later became friends and Roberts is even the godfather to Lucas' youngest son.)

Toal says those Lucas informed on were "unanimously" criminals: "He never talked about a dirty cop or a DEA agent. He never gave up anybody like that. It was 100 percent drug dealers."

Lucas's sentence of 70 years was reduced to five years after his informant work. Once released, Lucas was quickly arrested again for drug dealing, but on a much smaller scale. He served seven more years and got out of jail in 1991.

Lucas remains full of vitriol for the Special Investigations Unit, which he calls "nothing but a shakedown." Many SIU detectives were indicted in the `70s following an investigation in which NYPD detective Bob Leuci went undercover among his colleagues, though there's no evidence that Lucas' collaboration had anything to do with the charges.

Leuci's story has already hit the big screen. Robert Daley's book about Leuci, "Prince of the City," was turned into the 1981 film of the same title by Sidney Lumet.

But Lucas' legend has only grown since "American Gangster" was released, leaving some — like Roberts — to wonder if they've helped glorify a villain.

"I'm glad this over," Roberts says. "I'll tell you that."

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i just wanna see where u got it from...

  

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080118/ap_en_mo/film_american_gangster

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215. "This doesn't surprise me at all."
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A lot of the things that took place in this movie had me wondering just how accurate it was. They didn't do a good job at all of explaining how things got done. They just showed shit getting done.

  

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216. "RE: American Gangster"
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freakiest shit BTW. I went to see this movie before Christmas. I'm leaving the cinema, right, and this dude stops me. Says like, were you drinking in the bar across the road a while ago? I says like yeah I was, then I went to see this movie, he's all like asking questions and stuff, and like out of the corner of my eye I spot this cop car so I made my excuses and pissed out sharpish...fairly freaked me out so it did.

Mighty Mighty...shit...we ain't friends no more...

  

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217. "Like Oh my god dog"
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218. "Yeah, dudes trying to make friends is some scary shit."
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219. "Was it White Boy Day?"
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