Put your money where your mouth is.
I'm sitting in the theatre watching "Hulk" and I'm thinking, "This is really all you can do with this story." The military finds out about an indestructible giant green beast, of course they're gonna try and a) control it; b) when that fails, destroy it.
Of course he'd have to disappear at the end of the movie, not only because he was betrayed, but to keep Betty safe.
Seriously folks, what could have been done better. The main flaws with comic movies is the typical, "it was done better in this book or that book."
Batman had "Year One," "Killing Joke," "Dark Knight Returns," etc. Spiderman had the whole Venom/Carnage story line or his entire rogues gallery. X-Men, "God Loves, Man Kills," or any other ill title.
What ill title did Hulk ever have that would have done this better. I won't say the film sucked, and I won't say it was great, but I honestly think it was as good as a Hulk movie could be. There's only so much that can be done or said with him.
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gray Hulk as oppose to the green Hulk. I've yet to see the movie and probably won't. The trailor doesn't do anything for me.

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I'd like to see half these "it sucked" dickheads try and pitch their version of the movie to executives. 10 to 1 they'd be laughed out of the room.

And don't get me started on the computer effects "experts" on here who are so certain they could have made the Hulk look "more real" because they have a computer engineering degree, or have designed a few websites. Fuck outta here.

Anyway, the only thing I would do is shorten the movie by 20-30 minutes. The first 40 minutes or so could have been trimmed a bit, even though I know they had a lot of exposition and backstory to get through...

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I feel you. I walked out of the theater disappointed, but I was also like, "Damn. The Hulk would be hard as fuck to adapt into a movie." I think Ang Lee did a great job of presenting it. At times he captured the essence of the Hulk. And all the major themes of the Hulk comics were at least touched on, if not necessarily done justice. And the computer effects were good enough for me.
My main beefs were with the actors and the script.Mainly the script.
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Co-sign. Ang Lee did a great job with what he had and I thought the IML people killed it with the Hulk. Damn thing had facial expressions down, looked a lot like Eric Bana. I was impressed. Thought they did much better than the CGI people did with some of the special effects in Spiderman.

Connely and Bana were excellent, thought they were both well cast. Nolte was a bit over the top but how could he not be? I'm forgetting who played General Ross and the guy from Atheon but they could have been better.

But yeah I think the main point is how could you do much different with The Hulk?

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I haven't seen it yet (I will get around to it), but I heard Rick Jones isn't in it. How can you have the Hulk without Rick Jones?

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That's about it. I liked the movie though.

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Let me first say that I do not think the Hulk was a horrible film. I think Ang did some tight-ass things. I think the Hulk itself was cool (I did not have problems with the CGI). I liked the action sequences and thought that the interpretaion of Hulk's giant leaps was accurate as to how I envisioned it from the comics.

But overall I was disappointed. So here is my amateur stab at your question, and by no means am I trying to be a hater or claim that my way is the right way. This is JUST my opinion.

If they are gonna take the more dramatic approach to the story then commit and make it a darker movie. Personally I would have liked it better with some more comedic elements. It got overbearingly serious at times. To the point of just being corny and soap operatic.

There was also way too much backstory. My opinion as a struggling screenwriter is I would have had the transformation into the hulk a lot earlier (which you know the audience wanted), and then just done exposition in the backstory throughout the film. Personally I try to avoid flashbacks sequences, but you could have explained the backstory through the flashbacks, or what I would have done was shown it through dialogue or visual clues.

Problem is these days we underestimate the audience too much. We feel we have to explain everything like we are talking to a 9 year old. People will figure it out, if you are a good enough storyteller.

The ending was anti-climactic. Again this is partly due to pacing and partly do to scriptwriting. There needed to be more of a payoff at the end. And to be honest, I really didn't did the final fight scene. Was not diggin David's powers nor the way he looked.

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The dogs were kinda corny but the fight between them and hulk were funny/brutal. Who was his pops supposed to be? a variation of absorbing man? the fight between him and hulk was kinda confusing for me. I guess it ended with the hulk temp. out of commission.

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personally, i feel that the marvel stories can make for interesting movies. its like modern day greek myths. the story and legends are all there. visuals, origins, personalities. you just have to pick some of the best elements from the comics and adapt them. plus, they already have a built in fan base. although some are far too critical.

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- More Hulk
- Different ending
- Less Ang Lee-like hammering the theme throughout the moive (he did the same thing during "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon")

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-more of bruce and betty in a relationship (which could have better established "bruce is repressed/distant/unemotional")

-more character development for bruce...overall, there was more dramatic tension for him as a child than as an adult...(this may be too difficult though, since he didn't even REMEMBER his childhood)



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1. No goddamn mutant poodles.
2. Trim about 45 minutes of the utterly boring exposition. There was no need for this movie to have been 2 hours and 20 minutes long.
3. Gotten a DIFFERENT actress to play Betty Ross. Jennifer Connelly acted as if she were on industrial strength Ritalin throughout the movie, which is to say, she didn't emote at all.
4. Cut out the ridiculous father theme in the movie and stuck to the theme of the comic book--that of control vs. losing control.
5. ONE antagonist. This movie had a veritable Rogue's Gallery of antagonists, none of whom were particularly interesting.
6. Cut that shit about David Banner being eeeevil. After a while, it just got boring. 6a) Can all the Joss Whedon-style angst. This isn't fucking Dawson's Creek or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why give him such a tortured background? Or hell, keep it, but kill BOTH the parents.
7. Pick a fucking ending and STICK TO IT. What is this, fucking Artificial Intelligence? Why'd we need multiple endings?
8. Can those stupid camera dissolves and wipes and multiple screens. It was just. fucking. distracting.
9. Oh, and finally, have Hulk actually kill people. Shit. You mean to fuckin tell me he tosses a TANK damn near a mile and the soldier SURVIVES??? BullSHIT.

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And David (actually Brian) Banner was a pretty evil fucker in the comics...abusive toward his wife and Bruce, killed his wife (can't remember if it was by accident like the movie)...

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>1. No goddamn mutant poodles.
>2. Trim about 45 minutes of the utterly boring exposition.
>There was no need for this movie to have been 2 hours and 20
>minutes long.
>3. Gotten a DIFFERENT actress to play Betty Ross. Jennifer
>Connelly acted as if she were on industrial strength Ritalin
>throughout the movie, which is to say, she didn't emote at
>all.
>4. Cut out the ridiculous father theme in the movie and
>stuck to the theme of the comic book--that of control vs.
>losing control.
>5. ONE antagonist. This movie had a veritable Rogue's
>Gallery of antagonists, none of whom were particularly
>interesting.
>6. Cut that shit about David Banner being eeeevil. After a
>while, it just got boring. 6a) Can all the Joss
>Whedon-style angst. This isn't fucking Dawson's Creek or
>Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why give him such a tortured
>background? Or hell, keep it, but kill BOTH the parents.
>7. Pick a fucking ending and STICK TO IT. What is this,
>fucking Artificial Intelligence? Why'd we need multiple
>endings?
>8. Can those stupid camera dissolves and wipes and multiple
>screens. It was just. fucking. distracting.
>9. Oh, and finally, have Hulk actually kill people. Shit.
>You mean to fuckin tell me he tosses a TANK damn near a mile
>and the soldier SURVIVES??? BullSHIT.

@ the end of the day the truth of the matter is that we are running out of bullshit ideas; first they tried school zoning, then dumping money on black students (shaker heights?), giving black kids better books and facilities, none of those things worked a

>1. No goddamn mutant poodles.
it's for comic relief man....get over it...erybody in the theatre i was in thought it was funny...

>2. Trim about 45 minutes of the utterly boring exposition.
>There was no need for this movie to have been 2 hours and 20
>minutes long.
i agree...ang got caught up in giving the characters bios

>3. Gotten a DIFFERENT actress to play Betty Ross. Jennifer
>Connelly acted as if she were on industrial strength Ritalin
>throughout the movie, which is to say, she didn't emote at
>all.
she WAS kinda flat...BUT i know she can be better, so i blame the writers, cause betty doesn't act so passive anyway...

>4. Cut out the ridiculous father theme in the movie and
>stuck to the theme of the comic book--that of control vs.
>losing control.
it's ALL in the books (that's part of the reason banners holds so much anger in, if not for his pops being evil we wouldn't have the hulk)

>5. ONE antagonist. This movie had a veritable Rogue's
>Gallery of antagonists, none of whom were particularly
>interesting.
i thought the movie had one antagonist (blond guy) an insane guy (david) and a guy who's just trying to do the right thing (ross)

>6. Cut that shit about David Banner being eeeevil. After a
>while, it just got boring. 6a) Can all the Joss
>Whedon-style angst. This isn't fucking Dawson's Creek or
>Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Why give him such a tortured
>background? Or hell, keep it, but kill BOTH the parents.
once again, it's in the comics...

>7. Pick a fucking ending and STICK TO IT. What is this,
>fucking Artificial Intelligence? Why'd we need multiple
>endings?
i'm slow, what multiple ending??

>8. Can those stupid camera dissolves and wipes and multiple
>screens. It was just. fucking. distracting.
that shit was GREAT for a comic book movie...

>9. Oh, and finally, have Hulk actually kill people. Shit.
>You mean to fuckin tell me he tosses a TANK damn near a mile
>and the soldier SURVIVES??? BullSHIT.
he DID kill some people, accidentally though...i felt sorry for the pilot trying to outlast the hulk, that shit was a dumb move...

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that would be even more unrealistic for the concept of the movie, and the comic. everyone keeps thinking tv hulk.

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it's just that since the late 80s, we've been so obsessed with BIG, glossy, over-the-top spectacles.

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...how stupid would it have been to see the Hulk facing tanks and helicopters?

Having a person play the Hulk takes away the feeling that he can't be stopped.

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It was an afterthought and it came off corny...
Also if it was a superhero movie, it needed a villian. I mean who else beside the Leader was a major villian for the Hulk? I think that's a flaw in the comics and not the movie itself.

And people please forget about the tv show and how it should have been a real actor. If an actor did all the things this Hulk did, it would be even more cheesy

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I liked the movie alot. I did think that there should have been more Hulk. That is my only real complaint. This movie ain't for kids or people with short attention spans. By the way, did anyone notice that his father turned out to be the Absorbing Man?

I loved this movie, and imho its one of the top comic movies yet. The nitpicking with the movie are for other reasons deeper then this particular movie but thats another topic for another da

Alot of the flaws that have been pointed out in this thread, really come from the comic(focus on Bruce instead of the Hulk like they loved to do every few issues, lack of a strong antagonist etc). The origin was changed from the comic, but it gave the 'Bruce' moments more bite(or would you have him for the first hour stressed out in a lab trying to cure himself, whining that he can become a near invunerable powerhouse like he does in the comic. The fact he did not outright rue the Hulks existance like he did in the Tv Show or comic already had me sold).

The pacing wasn't perfect, but compared to lets say the first X-Men, they did an excellent job. The only glaring flaw I felt was the ending felt tacked. Its not as bad as A.I., and I understand where Ang Lee was going with it, but it could have been a much smoother transision.

I would have either made David a much more involved supervillian protagonist with his powers, or kept him human and more menacingly involved in the whole movie(save the the dog incident he was alot more neutral then your run of the mill badguy). Or I would have upped the intensity Army battle and had the ending right there, with a solid earlier Hulk appearance earlier in the movie so the audience didn't feel robbed of seeing the character.

But overall, I agree with many on the thread that it was the best Hulk movie that could have been made.

the movie had potential. I will give it that much.

1.My first problem was that the scenes changed way too dman much in the first 45 minutes. seemd that each scene lasted at most a minute or two and then changed.
2. Another problem was that their was too much background. Alot of that shit was un necessary, alot of it could have been compressed.
3. No real analysis of the villain. even though we get a huge background on david, we still dont really see what his real motive is.
4. Damn, I dont think i even smiled one time in that movie, let alone laugh. I enjoy dark movies, alot of my top ten movies are dark movies. However, this wasn't even that dark, so that isnt an excuse. If he wanted to make it that kind of story, go all out and make it an R movie so we can explore the character further. And if it is gonna ahve a happy ending and end in a nice manner, throw in some comedy so i have a reason to watch the movie.

It came to a point where I felt that I had been ripped off for the movie, and I didnt even pay for it.

on a side note, the CGI kicked ass and the hulk looked awesome, no complaints for my eyes, they had a blast. my mind is the one bitching.

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