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"Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn) Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan"


          

Drive is the film that i am really looking forward to seeing later this year. Cannes loved it which is unusual for an "action" film at the French awards ceremony. Nicolas Winding Refn won best director at Cannes.

It is being described as a neo noir art house thriller with Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan and Albert Brooks (so great in everything especially Out of Sight). It is meant to be really violent!

IMDB has it with a 9.1 rating at the moment which will of course be reduced. This is the description: A Hollywood stunt performer who moonlights as a wheelman discovers that a contract has been put on him after a heist gone wrong.

There is no trailer yet but here are two clips. They show you nothing about this film.
One shows you what type of tone to expect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO1PCKcXfC0
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one sets up the romance part of the story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRa3zyHUCtI

This is quite a good discussion on the film
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=429415

The run time is only 95 minutes and many critics were saying they wish it had been longer.

I cannes not wait!

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
so amped to see this!
May 29th 2011
1
I just got an extreme adrenaline rush off that first clip
May 29th 2011
2
FilmDistrict is releasing it.
May 30th 2011
4
yeah that first clip got me amped too...
Aug 15th 2011
9
Man I can't fucking WAIT:
May 30th 2011
3
Trailer is here: I am excited for this!
Aug 14th 2011
5
the soundtracks going to be awesome too
Aug 14th 2011
6
Looks good
Aug 14th 2011
7
damn...im all in
Aug 15th 2011
10
Ron Perlman, Albert Brooks, Ryan Gosling - shit ONE of these is an auto-...
Aug 17th 2011
11
      The Albert Brooks as crime boss is an interesting turn
Aug 17th 2011
13
           he always play jerks/assholes - this is just a SMALL stretch
Aug 17th 2011
14
                I didn't recognize him at first. Thought it was Colm Meaney.
Aug 17th 2011
15
                     wow, I never realized how similar they look.
Sep 06th 2011
18
Hell Boy in it too...excited
Aug 15th 2011
8
Trying not to overhype myself but this looks great...
Aug 17th 2011
12
Really dope flick. Best of the yr imo
Aug 29th 2011
16
Albert Brooks makes a U-turn (swizzy)
Sep 06th 2011
17
walt white is in it too!
Sep 07th 2011
19
Shit looks cliche as fuck but I will peep it out
Sep 08th 2011
20
Looks kinda like The Transporter from the trailers I've seen.
Sep 08th 2011
21
I interviewed Refn.
Sep 12th 2011
22
Yeah, that was interesting
Sep 13th 2011
25
Great interview!
Sep 14th 2011
29
this movie is awesome.
Sep 13th 2011
23
Wait we're 20 some odd posts in and no one's talked about C. hen?
Sep 13th 2011
24
Seeing this tonight at BAM w/ Refn doing Q & A
Sep 14th 2011
26
Woah, it's at Brooklyn Academy of Music?
Sep 14th 2011
27
Tonight's show is sold out but
Sep 14th 2011
28
      Yeah, I saw when I browsed with my phone at lunch.
Sep 14th 2011
30
           Probably a while
Sep 14th 2011
31
Fucking shit, this is within walking distance *pouts*
Sep 16th 2011
49
Soooooo dope...
Sep 15th 2011
32
Looking forward to the backlash on this
Sep 15th 2011
33
Everything I hear makes me think it will tank. :(
Sep 15th 2011
34
      it'll do just fine.
Sep 15th 2011
35
           RE: it'll do just fine.
Sep 15th 2011
36
           i think the general estimate is it doubles the budget
Sep 15th 2011
37
           I know it'll be fine... but I want it to be a HIT.
Sep 15th 2011
38
                i personally think it will be a hit
Sep 15th 2011
39
                     Where does it rank opening weekend BO?
Sep 15th 2011
40
                     No way. It's expected to open around 13
Sep 16th 2011
52
                          40 means a hit in that
Sep 16th 2011
53
                               I meant no way as in 60 million.
Sep 16th 2011
54
Wildly enjoyable and insanely violent. Don't think it'll be a hit though...
Sep 15th 2011
41
B.O.-wise, I'm thinking it'll be like The American or Hanna. n/m
Sep 16th 2011
42
At most.
Sep 16th 2011
43
      It opened short of those two.
Sep 18th 2011
82
           Coming up with an ad campaign has gotta be tough...
Sep 19th 2011
98
Do you think those reactions had anything to do w/ the marketing?
Sep 16th 2011
44
      It's not very mainstream.
Sep 16th 2011
45
           Yea, when i first saw it i thought...huge cult following
Sep 16th 2011
46
longo did u do a review of this film?
Sep 16th 2011
47
Yes. It's in my sig.
Sep 16th 2011
48
      lol, ya dont say??
Sep 19th 2011
106
      well shit, i just clicked it and won't even read the review
Sep 25th 2011
153
           You, sir, are the man. Big thanks.
Dec 13th 2011
210
because the track sounds awesome in the trailer and film...lol
Sep 16th 2011
50
A hipster action movie
Sep 16th 2011
51
LOL @ A hipster action movie
Sep 18th 2011
72
How do you know about the Albert Brooks hype but not the violence?
Sep 18th 2011
80
      I wasn't complaining about the violence
Sep 18th 2011
89
           I was referencing the mention of "over the top violence&quo...
Sep 18th 2011
92
                You seem to be forgetting the diner scene
Sep 18th 2011
95
                     Because words and actions are on equal ground, right?
Sep 18th 2011
97
                          In this case, yes. The words moreso.
Sep 19th 2011
101
                               Can't agree with you there.
Sep 19th 2011
104
                                    So the first time he really speaks...
Sep 19th 2011
114
I really liked it BUT (spoilers)
Sep 16th 2011
55
The bit I saw of Valhalla Rising is VERY similar
Sep 16th 2011
56
Track down Pusher 2. (You don't need to see the first to appreciate.)
Sep 17th 2011
63
      I have been meaning to watch The Pusher Trilogy:)
Sep 17th 2011
65
      AND Pusher 3
Sep 17th 2011
67
Was the book it the movie was based on set in the 80's?
Sep 17th 2011
57
re: Spoiler alert
Sep 17th 2011
61
I'm reading the novella by James Sallis and honestly
Sep 17th 2011
66
Liked it a lot. Reminded me of The American with Clooney...
Sep 17th 2011
58
Enjoyed the hell out of this
Sep 17th 2011
59
totally agree
Sep 17th 2011
60
Understated yet somehow also a monster of a performance. n/m
Sep 17th 2011
62
      that damn look he gave Carey Mulligan as he turned around in the elevato...
Sep 17th 2011
64
i think i'm going to see this tomorrow
Sep 17th 2011
68
Saw it today...was sorta surprise by the audience...(minor spoilers)
Sep 17th 2011
69
Spoilers continued.
Sep 17th 2011
70
Spoilers in #69 are actually major...my bad
Sep 18th 2011
74
I loved it
Sep 17th 2011
71
It's a masterpiece...
Sep 18th 2011
73
It's hollow because it has influences?
Sep 18th 2011
81
It's hollow because it's an
Sep 18th 2011
83
      Is it heavily stylized? Sure. Why is that a bad thing?
Sep 18th 2011
84
           I did enjoy the Oscar characyet but the Gosling-Mulligan romance was...
Sep 18th 2011
86
           The silence lets you read too much into it
Sep 18th 2011
90
           I didn't find Isaac to be standard at all.
Sep 19th 2011
99
                None of what you wrote is new
Sep 19th 2011
102
                     But you're doing the same thing you accuse us of doing.
Sep 19th 2011
103
                          agreed...
Sep 19th 2011
105
                          There's a lot of bad noir out there.
Sep 19th 2011
117
                               yes to all of this/spoilers
Sep 19th 2011
126
                               The Jackman think struck me as odd too
Sep 19th 2011
130
                                    nah Jackman would have been a bad choice
Sep 19th 2011
135
                                         True. There's probably a 15% chance he nails it.
Sep 20th 2011
140
                                              oddly enough i thought of Way of the Gun too...
Oct 25th 2011
201
                               *cough*Brick*cough*
Dec 18th 2011
224
                          I've yet to hear a more complex explanation
Sep 19th 2011
112
                               And on a purely plot related note... (SPOILER ABOUT THE END)
Sep 19th 2011
116
                               Character is based in execution, not in originality.
Sep 19th 2011
120
                                    But that was what you were saying.
Sep 19th 2011
125
                                         Since, I'm being brought back into this . . .
Sep 19th 2011
127
                                              RE: Since, I'm being brought back into this . . .
Sep 19th 2011
129
                                                   There are some serious reading comprehension issues here.
Sep 19th 2011
134
                                                        How is it not what you said?
Sep 19th 2011
137
                                                             RE: How is it not what you said?
Sep 20th 2011
138
                                                                  You speak in generalities when the discussion is specific
Sep 20th 2011
139
           Refn says that the Driver is a psychopath
Sep 19th 2011
107
I'll give you Jarmusch, but Michael Mann? lulz
Oct 03rd 2011
186
      No lulz if you've seen Thief tho. It follows that blueprint to a T.
Dec 18th 2011
225
My friend said he thinks his 12 y/o son could have taken the violence.
Sep 18th 2011
75
I think his 12 y/o son could have written it
Sep 18th 2011
76
I'm with you
Sep 18th 2011
77
I liked it...sort of
Sep 18th 2011
78
This is how I feel
Sep 23rd 2011
148
The fucking score - Cliff Martinez is still awesome
Sep 18th 2011
79
Michael Mann would be proud.
Sep 18th 2011
85
yup.
Sep 18th 2011
88
This is my 2nd favorite film of the year.
Sep 18th 2011
87
what was your favorite so far?
Sep 19th 2011
110
      Tree of Life nm
Sep 20th 2011
141
what happened in the opening scene? (SPOILER)
Sep 18th 2011
91
yeah im curious too
Sep 18th 2011
94
I think they got away
Sep 18th 2011
96
No, it was a success
Sep 19th 2011
100
did he really get them away, though?
Sep 19th 2011
108
      It wasn't "surrounded by cops"
Sep 19th 2011
109
           I took it as the cops were there for Gosling but they got away
Sep 19th 2011
115
                of course they'd check every car
Sep 19th 2011
121
                     i assumed they had another car
Sep 19th 2011
122
                          i am with you on the latter
Sep 23rd 2011
145
                               The five minutes is explained as the window for them to get in the car
Sep 23rd 2011
146
                                    Upon second viewing, an interesting note on this
Jan 12th 2012
240
it was a success. didnt one of the brothers come to him later...
Sep 30th 2011
171
good shit, Similar to Theif, now let's talk about the cars...
Sep 18th 2011
93
'73 Chevelle I believe
Sep 19th 2011
124
      Yeah I looked it up. Of all the beautiful Chevelles they could've used....
Sep 23rd 2011
144
           I know right I was like WTF...lol
Sep 23rd 2011
147
           Jeah that was bammer. Should've jacked another better ride.
Dec 18th 2011
226
           Gosling reportedly took apart and rebuilt the engine of that car
Jan 13th 2012
242
           Fits the character though. . ."Plain Jane, just like you asked"
Mar 05th 2012
298
I caught this on Fri and loved it
Sep 19th 2011
111
i didn't emotionally connect with any of the characters
Sep 19th 2011
113
More boredom?
Sep 19th 2011
118
      I'm not emotionally connecting with your reply
Sep 19th 2011
119
           This was just as not funny as the first reply.
Sep 19th 2011
123
Podcast with Hossein Amini (Drive)
Sep 19th 2011
128
thanks for posting this!
Sep 19th 2011
131
      no problem!
Sep 19th 2011
132
I liked it.
Sep 19th 2011
133
Also, I want that scorpion jacket.
Sep 19th 2011
136
fun but obnoxious laughter throughout the film @ the film
Sep 20th 2011
142
I might check this out tomorrow night...
Sep 21st 2011
143
would someone care to equate the 'violence' in this movie?
Sep 24th 2011
149
Reservoir Dogs but you see the ear get cut off
Sep 24th 2011
150
To Live And Die In L.A. circa 2011
Sep 24th 2011
151
Kavinsky & Lovefoxxx - Nightcall (theme to the movie)
Sep 25th 2011
152
College feat. Electric Youth - A Real Hero
Sep 25th 2011
154
      oh yeah this is dope too
Sep 26th 2011
164
meh.. wasn't feelin it
Sep 25th 2011
155
I'm a little worried about myself
Sep 25th 2011
156
It's not just you. *mild spoilers*
Sep 26th 2011
158
A very interesting take on why DRIVE didn't perform well in theaters:
Sep 25th 2011
157
Shit, I called it above. It ain't rocket science.
Sep 26th 2011
159
YES because everyone I know who saw it and hated it
Sep 26th 2011
161
LOL this is so funny
Sep 26th 2011
162
The movie was never going to make that much
Sep 27th 2011
165
I think people don't like being reminded that this stuff happens.
Sep 26th 2011
160
RE: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn) Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan
Sep 26th 2011
163
Was I the only one bothered by the bloody scorpion jacket?
Sep 27th 2011
166
Thought it was kinda cool.
Sep 27th 2011
167
it made no sense. like, he has no other jacket?
Oct 03rd 2011
182
^^^^^^^^^^^ RIDICULOUS
Jan 03rd 2012
232
Loved it, and didn't think the violence was -that- graphic
Sep 28th 2011
168
music was too much for me
Sep 29th 2011
169
hollow + underwhelming + style over substance
Sep 30th 2011
170
i loved it. i want more...only issue
Sep 30th 2011
172
Really enjoyed the style and the performances were stellar
Oct 01st 2011
173
Ridiculously bad.
Oct 02nd 2011
174
one more thing
Oct 02nd 2011
175
It's a fairy tale. n/m
Oct 02nd 2011
177
i completely understand why someone would hate this movie, but...
Oct 03rd 2011
180
Valhalla Rising would be even more polarizing.
Oct 03rd 2011
183
      the character has motivation in valhalla rising
Oct 03rd 2011
184
           He loves Mulligan's character
Oct 03rd 2011
185
                but this doesn't make sense
Oct 03rd 2011
188
                     He sees her at the grocery store before at his shop
Oct 03rd 2011
189
                          RE: He sees her at the grocery store before at his shop
Oct 03rd 2011
190
                          well, he first saw her in the elevator
Oct 03rd 2011
191
he just doesn't like to carry a gun. that doesn't mean he's nonviolent.
Dec 19th 2011
228
re: 5-minute window
Oct 02nd 2011
176
RE: Ridiculously bad review
Oct 30th 2011
204
I can't really say if I loved or hated this movie because I don't know
Oct 02nd 2011
178
not bad, but it's an action movie for women, not men.
Oct 02nd 2011
179
forgot to comment. nothing new here. just loved it
Oct 03rd 2011
181
The extremity of the violence is overstated.
Oct 03rd 2011
187
excellent
Oct 09th 2011
192
you're not the only one
Oct 10th 2011
193
      The report was sponsored by Ford Driving Skills nm
Oct 10th 2011
194
           She MIGHT have a case if it was like the Twister trailer
Oct 10th 2011
195
                her punishment should be severe imo.
Oct 30th 2011
205
                     Someone should seriously take the lawyer to task
Oct 30th 2011
206
i don't get the Gosling thing
Oct 12th 2011
196
Dude throws hot dog at Tiger Woods; blames the movie Drive (swipe)
Oct 12th 2011
197
Wow.
Oct 13th 2011
198
Right?
Oct 13th 2011
199
      This has to one of the quotes of the year
Oct 13th 2011
200
What the fuck?
Oct 30th 2011
207
i loved everything about this movie...
Oct 25th 2011
202
just saw it on Monday...
Oct 26th 2011
203
Just peeped this yesterday, it was dope
Oct 30th 2011
208
gta bullshit...
Dec 13th 2011
209
I was looking for this
Feb 05th 2012
248
Saw this again. One of my favorites of the year.
Dec 13th 2011
211
really?..
Dec 14th 2011
212
      Every decision makes sense within the world of the film.
Dec 14th 2011
213
           RE: Every decision makes sense within the world of the film.
Dec 14th 2011
214
           the decisions do not fucking make sense.
Dec 14th 2011
215
                art for the sake of art is not enough...
Dec 14th 2011
216
                I struggle to think of a single one that didn't.
Dec 14th 2011
217
                     you're lying like shit.
Dec 15th 2011
218
                          Okay. Then you and I disagree.
Dec 15th 2011
219
                               ok, help me out here...
Dec 15th 2011
220
                                    My pleasure.
Dec 15th 2011
221
                                    But she didn't know when the father was coming home
Dec 15th 2011
222
Haven't seen it again (yet) but I will say that the soundtrack has
Dec 16th 2011
223
Great performance by Gos but probably garbage w/o him
Dec 18th 2011
227
Bullitt is probably garbage w/o McQueen
Dec 19th 2011
231
      Bullitt was garbage w/ McQueen
Jan 03rd 2012
234
           LOL, fair enough. point still stands though
Jan 14th 2012
245
           NOW THIS HURTS ME
Feb 21st 2012
293
                Lol. Cause it's true?
Feb 22nd 2012
296
fuck yawl. on my top 10 of 2011.
Dec 19th 2011
229
Top 10? Seems a mortal lock for my Top 3.
Dec 19th 2011
230
Soundtrack saved this movie for me...
Jan 03rd 2012
233
THAT'S white trash to you?
Jan 04th 2012
235
maybe I mean the character shouldve been more white trash
Jan 05th 2012
237
are you calling her white trash because he has a half mexicanbaby?
Jan 04th 2012
236
      well
Jan 05th 2012
238
L.A, this flick has a one-week-only return run at the Arclight Hollywood
Jan 06th 2012
239
Saw this again here in L.A. Yeah, this movie is the shit.
Jan 12th 2012
241
RE: Saw this again here in L.A. Yeah, this movie is the shit.
Jan 13th 2012
243
Fam, I'm seriously tempted to call the Filmdistrict offices and ask
Jan 13th 2012
244
where you see it in LA?
Jan 14th 2012
246
Post 239. It's gone now.
Jan 14th 2012
247
Not sure if I remember it *exactly* that way.
Feb 06th 2012
249
From what I remember, there is no red light involved
Feb 06th 2012
250
that scene was not there when I saw it in theaters, not there
Feb 14th 2012
259
Y'all crazy with that "Perfect", "best crime films of my lifetime" talk
Feb 06th 2012
251
Licensed to Drive on Createan.
Feb 13th 2012
252
What is "Licensed to Drive" ?
Feb 14th 2012
253
      One of the Coreys gems from the '80s
Feb 14th 2012
254
           I'm surprised there hasn't been a remake of it
Feb 14th 2012
255
           Cast it.
Feb 14th 2012
256
                Bieber and Jaden
Feb 21st 2012
272
           oh, LICENSE to Drive
Feb 14th 2012
257
                oh.
Feb 14th 2012
258
Twilight for dudes
Feb 19th 2012
260
Let's go with... no
Feb 19th 2012
261
it is what it is
Feb 20th 2012
265
      Anything to argue, I suppose
Feb 20th 2012
267
           that would be you in that case
Feb 20th 2012
268
                Your arms should really hurt from reaching so hard
Feb 21st 2012
273
                     and this is now 3 replies in
Feb 21st 2012
275
funny you'd critisize an arguably over-stylized movie
Feb 21st 2012
269
damn that really hurt your feelings
Feb 21st 2012
270
      yup. shattered them
Feb 21st 2012
271
           aww poor you
Feb 21st 2012
276
                .
Feb 21st 2012
292
Instead of dismissing you, I'll ask for clarification.
Feb 21st 2012
277
      greetings frank!
Feb 21st 2012
279
           that's what I said.
Feb 21st 2012
282
           the fairy tale thing?
Feb 21st 2012
290
           But what you described here isn't Twilight
Feb 21st 2012
284
                I think that would be the "for dudes" part
Feb 21st 2012
286
                     Well, I'm going to need better examples than Twilight and Gump
Feb 21st 2012
287
                          Yeah, I didn't get the Gump reference at all.
Feb 21st 2012
288
                               i'll admit thats the stretch
Feb 21st 2012
289
avy
Feb 20th 2012
262
This movie was bullshit...
Feb 20th 2012
263
Stylistically incredible, characterization shaky
Feb 20th 2012
264
in defense of that one shot (SPOILER)
Feb 20th 2012
266
It played the same at home too
Feb 21st 2012
274
I think it plays the same way at home.
Feb 21st 2012
278
The long wait also in the final shot that I'm still mad was cut
Feb 21st 2012
281
yep
Feb 21st 2012
280
Basic ploys don't necessarily mean empty style
Feb 21st 2012
283
      you're an education thanks =)
Feb 21st 2012
291
For the record, my theatre audibly GASPED at *that* scene
Feb 21st 2012
285
The third time I saw it, the wife saw it for the first time
Feb 22nd 2012
295
Thought it was pretty good
Feb 21st 2012
294
But you couldn't front on Ryan's facial expression
Mar 05th 2012
300
Just saw it last night, loved it.
Mar 05th 2012
297
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
Mar 05th 2012
301
      RE: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
Mar 06th 2012
302
      are you a fucking drug addict?
Mar 06th 2012
303
           RE: are you a fucking drug addict?
Mar 07th 2012
305
           LOL
Mar 07th 2012
307
           I'm telling you, watch Ides of March as if it is the prequel to Drive
Mar 07th 2012
306
      No, I'm quite serious.
Mar 06th 2012
304
just rewatched this last night from december.
Mar 05th 2012
299
just acquired this soundtrack. gonna Netflix this for a second view
Mar 08th 2012
308
I've had the DVD at my place for over a month, decided to watch it
Apr 22nd 2012
309
Whats the song playing during Standard's welcome home party?
Apr 23rd 2012
310
A Real Hero by College & electric Youth
Apr 23rd 2012
311
      I don't think A Real Hero played during the welcome home scene
Apr 23rd 2012
312
           Desire -- Under Your Spell
Apr 23rd 2012
313
                props
Apr 23rd 2012
314
Didn't like it.
Apr 24th 2012
315
FYI, this is on Netflix streaming now
May 19th 2012
316
o word? Bet. n/m
May 19th 2012
317
I'm watching this movie for the 3rd time this week, and super conflicted
May 19th 2012
318
watched it on instant watch and wow not that great
May 21st 2012
319

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1. "so amped to see this!"
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2. "I just got an extreme adrenaline rush off that first clip"
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Won't even watch the second. Hooked as shit. I feel like after the Bank Heist scene finished in Dark Knight. Give it to me real, give it to me raw. Hopefully some theater in town picks this up.


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4. "FilmDistrict is releasing it."
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They're taking it wide, supposedly.

Basically, if you got Insidious, you should be getting this one.

>Hopefully some theater in town
>picks this up.

  

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9. "yeah that first clip got me amped too..."
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the tension in it was so awesome

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3. "Man I can't fucking WAIT:"
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Ryan Gosling + Carey Mulligan + Albert Brooks + Nicholas Wefn (BRONSON-2008) directing it?

plus the script is tight too?

Consider me ALL IN

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5. "Trailer is here: I am excited for this!"
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http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/drive/

wow, this just looks so great.

appositely cast and Albert Brooks playing against type as the bad guy. Ultra violent in some scenes. Plus Ryan Gosling.

This is the film i am most looking forward to this year.

  

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6. "the soundtracks going to be awesome too"
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that little beat from the trailer got my head nodding...lol, Christina Hendricks is in it too
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7. "Looks good"
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10. "damn...im all in"
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btw - according to an interview in EW, the director says the mood of the film was inpired by this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Fb8XbpWMM

lol

i'm glad they didn't go the blockbuster route as original planned.

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11. "Ron Perlman, Albert Brooks, Ryan Gosling - shit ONE of these is an auto-..."
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ALL THREE!!!????

I'm there opening night, fam.

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13. "The Albert Brooks as crime boss is an interesting turn"
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I wasn't sold on it when I heard it but he looks like he pulled it off.

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14. "he always play jerks/assholes - this is just a SMALL stretch"
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I KNEW it would work, honestly he's one of the few artists who have earned my complete and total trust and respect.

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15. "I didn't recognize him at first. Thought it was Colm Meaney."
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Who also plays the jerk/asshole role to a T

  

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18. "wow, I never realized how similar they look. "
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8. "Hell Boy in it too...excited"
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12. "Trying not to overhype myself but this looks great..."
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Really excited to see that.

  

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16. "Really dope flick. Best of the yr imo"
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17. "Albert Brooks makes a U-turn (swizzy)"
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Albert Brooks is already getting some oscar buzz (Rolling Stone magazine) and I would love to see him get the award next year for his great career.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/04/entertainment/la-ca-sneaks-brooks-20110904


Albert Brooks offers a certain kind of eloquence when asked how his role as a brutal gangster in the new dark thriller "Drive" differs from his past parts. "I've played a few nasty guys over the years," he said. "But never one with ... of steel."

Actually, the actor-filmmaker has mostly played likably ornery types, in dramatic comedies such as "Broadcast News" and "Lost in America." (His last slightly villainous role was as shady businessman Richard Ripley in 1998's "Out of Sight" -- but, as Brooks points out, he was still victimized by thugs. "Ripley was a nasty guy but also needed protection.")

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Albert Brooks: An article in the Sept. 4 Calendar section about Albert Brooks gave the actor's age as 67. He is 64.


All of that goes out the window in "Drive," Nicolas Winding Refn's tale of a stunt-car driver (Ryan Gosling) who becomes entangled in a mob plot involving Brooks' Bernie Rose. While Gosling gives a chillingly understated performance, it's Brooks' character who emerges as a standout in the film, which opens Sept. 16. Bernie's offbeat fashion sense and seemingly benevolent manner slowly curdle into something more sinister -- namely, a capacity for morbid violence (think fork to the eye), providing many of the film's most shocking moments and dark laughs.

"There's a very cliched bad guy in American movies, and you know who he is, the blond-haired guy who talks in an accent and from the moment he's on screen you know everything about him," Brooks said. "What's great about Bernie is you don't know who he is in the first 40 seconds. He can turn out to be 11 different things. You just know that you don't want to cross him."

Already, Brooks and the film -- which the buzzed-about Refn ("Valhalla Rising") directed from a script by Hossein Amini, who adapted it from James Sallis' novel -- have garnered acclaim at the Cannes and Los Angeles film festivals. Brooks has started to draw early supporting actor nomination talk on the Oscar circuit.

After a six-year absence from the big screen -- Brooks was last seen in the critically panned "Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World," which he also wrote and directed -- the actor is ripe for a creative comeback. "I feel like I'm getting to a point where I want to do a lot of different parts," he said. "I'm growing into parts I never even knew I wanted to play."

Even at 67, the Southern California native says he is hopeful for a career jolt and a second act a la John Travolta in "Pulp Fiction," another movie in which an actor who'd fallen off the radar redefines himself in a violent style piece from a hot young filmmaker. "If people see me differently because of this, that's OK," Brooks said, his tone suggesting it would be more than OK.

He has no regrets, he said; any drop-off was the result of his own choice as he focused on writing and directing.

Although he spent the summer shooting a supporting part in Judd Apatow's next comedy, Brooks said he and his manager are already starting to hear rumblings of other potential darker parts as studio executives and directors begin to see "Drive."

And even if no career renaissance comes of his Bernie Rose turn, Brooks said, that doesn't mean there wasn't a larger appeal. "You can't really pass up an opportunity to stick a fork in someone's eye."

  

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19. "walt white is in it too! "
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i cant wait for this to come out. its going to be hard to fuck up this movie with that cast.

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20. "Shit looks cliche as fuck but I will peep it out"
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Mainly because of Gosling

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21. "Looks kinda like The Transporter from the trailers I've seen. "
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n/m

  

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22. "I interviewed Refn."
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http://maximumfun.org/sound-young-america/nicolas-winding-refn-director-drive-interview-sound-young-america

An interesting guy.

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25. "Yeah, that was interesting"
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Although that story about being stoned to talk to Gosling could have went so many places lol

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29. "Great interview!"
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good stuff man

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23. "this movie is awesome."
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snuck in the back of a TIFF screening, had been standing 10 hours straight and had to stand the whole screening, but the movie was still spectacular. pretty much everything except the writing (which is kind of mediocre) is near perfect.

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24. "Wait we're 20 some odd posts in and no one's talked about C. hen?"
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For Shame OKP, for SHAME.

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26. "Seeing this tonight at BAM w/ Refn doing Q & A"
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I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a movie.

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27. "Woah, it's at Brooklyn Academy of Music?"
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If so, thanks for that tidbit of info. I'll try and dig up some more info if I can on my smartphone during lunch break.

  

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28. "Tonight's show is sold out but"
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it'll be playing there starting 9/16

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30. "Yeah, I saw when I browsed with my phone at lunch."
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How long was the event sold out for?

  

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31. "Probably a while"
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I copped my ticket like 2 or 3 weeks ago

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49. "Fucking shit, this is within walking distance *pouts*"
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>I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a
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32. "Soooooo dope..."
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... Caught a screening tonight. Loved everything about: the acting (Albert Brooks is probably the stand-out, but everyone you'd expect to be great lives up to the expectation), the visual style, the music, the pacing. An amazing genre film, and definitely my favorite of the year so far. Word of warning: It's also graphically violent, as you might expect if you've seen "Valhalla Rising," though it's not necessarily suggested by the trailer.

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33. "Looking forward to the backlash on this"
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because it's unanimously adored, as well it should be. this is easily one of the best films of the year.

I honestly think Gosling is the stand-out performance. There is a scene where he does more with three smiles than most actors do with a career's worth of dialogue.

Albert Brooks definitely has the more memorable performance and will probably get an Oscar Nod for Best Supporting. I think that'll largely happen because it is Albert Brooks being a bad guy.

Ron Perlman is turned up to 11.

Oscar Isaac does really wonderful work in his short screen time. During the Q & A they talked about the overhaul his character needed and received and it's a testament to his skills and that of Refn that they transformed him from the stock gangbanger he was in the Universal script and into something more layered. The movie wouldn't work the other way around as he's such a crucial character.

It's an awesome film and one of the best crime films I can remember being made in my lifetime. They don't make them like this anymore.

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34. "Everything I hear makes me think it will tank. :("
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I hear words like "different" and "artsy" and words that repel the average American.

I want this to succeed. I'm seeing it tonight. And I can't WAIT.

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35. "it'll do just fine. "
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the backlash will come as it always does because the initial word is strong.

the movie will play well and run long in the arthouse circuit. it was made for cheap and even with the marketing push it has received it'll turn a pretty petty

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36. "RE: it'll do just fine. "
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>the movie will play well and run long in the arthouse circuit.
> it was made for cheap and even with the marketing push it has
>received it'll turn a pretty petty

You think its possible the marketing for the movie equals or exceeds the money spent on actually making the movie? I've seen quite a bit of advertising for this movie on TV.

  

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37. "i think the general estimate is it doubles the budget"
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38. "I know it'll be fine... but I want it to be a HIT."
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I want people to see "critically acclaimed film" and "genre picture" and put the two together to go see it in droves, especially with a lead as appealing as Gosling.

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39. "i personally think it will be a hit"
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it went over like gangbusters last night. granted it was a premier audience but it won. the applause was genuine as was the laughter and the cringing. it's enjoyable. i think they have winner on their hands. i see it making $60 million in it's run

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40. "Where does it rank opening weekend BO?"
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I can't really see it making over 12 mil for the weekend.

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52. "No way. It's expected to open around 13"
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and there's no way that the mainstream word of mouth propels it to have the legs it will need to reach 60. I could see a big drop next week with Moneyball coming out and action fans going to the most likely much "worse", but far more mainstream Killer Elite. And the week after is 50/50 which is supposed to be great.

I think they should be happy with 40 but I could see it leveling of in the mid-30's.

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53. "40 means a hit in that"
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they made well over what they made and sold it for.

in no way did i think this was going to be in the top 5 for the weekend.

it was cheap to make and even with the push it got it only needs to make 25 or so to break even.

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54. "I meant no way as in 60 million."
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It should make back the budget (and the marketing) so it'll meet the OKPlayer definition of hit but it won't crossover and become a mainstream hit.

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41. "Wildly enjoyable and insanely violent. Don't think it'll be a hit though..."
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My extended review: http://exm.nr/oB5YAL

I listened to people walking out. A lot of people said they hated it. Many said "it started good but got weird." Others lamented "not enough car chases."

It's an artsy flick. LOTS of silence. Lots of driving with music playing. But good lord, the direction is top drawer, the cinematography is positively gorgeous, the music and sound are truly terrific, and every performance is really strong.

I don't buy the Brooks-for-Oscar bid. Maybe he'll sneak a nom, but definitely not a win. Outside of two scenes of extreme violence, he doesn't really have a "flashy role."

I'd buy Gosling for a nom too though, because he carries the film with extreme cool and charisma. Easily my favorite young actor alive-- his power of suggestion with his eyes and his ability to exude emotion while remaining perfectly still are unparalleled.

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42. "B.O.-wise, I'm thinking it'll be like The American or Hanna. n/m"
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43. "At most. "
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Because just like those movies, somehow, because people are idiots, a lot of the buzz will be negative.

I know way more non-cinephile people that hate those movies than like them. This will almost certainly go onto that shelf.

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82. "It opened short of those two."
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Probably will crawl to 25 or so, right?

I heard less grumbling during or after the movie then I did in say Hanna or even more recently The Tree of Life--not all a comparable release / film as Drive, obviously--but the theater wasn't all that full to begin with. The Cinemascore was pretty low though.

Looks like the distributors will be fighting a word of mouth problem as well as never quite having stoked interest like they would have hoped. Seemed like people thought the dude from The Notebook was aping the Transporter series and figured why bother.

  

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98. "Coming up with an ad campaign has gotta be tough..."
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...for a movie like this.

Try to make it an accurate depiction of the film's mood and style, and the suits are gonna be scared you'll lose the mainstream audience, rightfully so.

Try to make it seem like a mainstream genre pic, and you disappoint the mainstream audiences who expect the norm.

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44. "Do you think those reactions had anything to do w/ the marketing?"
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That trailer does not let people know what they will experience.....at all. Or do you think its just no a mainstream movie regardless? Or a little of both?

  

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45. "It's not very mainstream."
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Lots of long sequences with little to no dialogue. Not very much action at all. It's a lot like Valhalla Rising, since there's not much talking, lots of stylish cinematography, plenty of graphic violence, and it prefers being an immersive visceral experience to being a brightly-paced genre flick.

Hanna's not a bad comparison above, because it's weird and unconventional, emphasis on style and immersion into the world of the film, great music, and TV ads that make it look more conventional than it is.

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46. "Yea, when i first saw it i thought...huge cult following"
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But not a "hit". But it is a dope pic w/ really cool scenes that can appeal to a larger action movie going audience. Maybe worfd of mouth can help it. But yea, its very silent....not much happens in the way of action/car chases after the first sequence until the last 30-40 mins.

  

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47. "longo did u do a review of this film?"
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48. "Yes. It's in my sig."
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And if you click it, it makes me money.

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106. "lol, ya dont say??"
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I'll do it, but I'll only click under protest.

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153. "well shit, i just clicked it and won't even read the review"
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bcz i don't like reading reviews before seeing films i want to see. but i like helping you get paid. ba-doom.

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50. "because the track sounds awesome in the trailer and film...lol"
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51. "A hipster action movie"
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Quiet, slow, over the top violence that almost seems ironic in such an art film, and not many people in the mainstream will like it.

I really didn't like it. Albert Brooks is getting Oscar talk only because he's Albert Brooks and is in a serious role. He was good but no better than most noir heavies. I don't think he deserves a best supporting nom with just the movies that are out now, never mind when the Oscar bait hits.

Near the end, I felt like I was watching a horror movie but I was rooting for the killer.

I just didn't like it. I was rooting for it the whole time but it just didn't come together for me.

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72. "LOL @ A hipster action movie"
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Yeah, but not even a real action movie. Like a hipster crime or heist movie.
Loved the music and the fonts.

>Quiet, slow, over the top violence that almost seems ironic
>in such an art film, and not many people in the mainstream
>will like it.

i totally agree. maybe im getting too old, but way to violent/gorey.

>I really didn't like it. Albert Brooks is getting Oscar talk
>only because he's Albert Brooks and is in a serious role. He
>was good but no better than most noir heavies. I don't think
>he deserves a best supporting nom with just the movies that
>are out now, never mind when the Oscar bait hits.

He was good but if he wins for this, eh.

>Near the end, I felt like I was watching a horror movie but I
>was rooting for the killer.

Yeah i had to turn away at some scenes.

>I just didn't like it. I was rooting for it the whole time but
>it just didn't come together for me.

I would have liked it a lot more without the blood and brains being scattered about.

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80. "How do you know about the Albert Brooks hype but not the violence?"
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Not that this gives the movie an automatic pass from whatever criticisms one might have against it, but the over-the-top violence is something that has been touted in just about all of the reviews of the movie and by the filmmakers themselves, as well has been the stripped-down dialogue.

So to the people complaining about the violence, did you not read the reviews? Did you not believe the reviews?

That's like someone having you listen to "Pregnant Pussy", prefacing it with "it's really vulgar", and then you reacting in shock and horror: "that's really vulgar!"

Isn't that on you, at least somewhat?

The depiction of the violence on-screen was technically well-executed and fit in with the direction of the narrative: Driver becoming a werewolf. If you couldn't stomach it, then it just wasn't meant for you.

While you're thinking over your response, I have a bowl of soup for you to try. Be careful, it's really hot.


>Quiet, slow, over the top violence that almost seems ironic
>in such an art film, and not many people in the mainstream
>will like it.
>
>I really didn't like it. Albert Brooks is getting Oscar talk
>only because he's Albert Brooks and is in a serious role. He
>was good but no better than most noir heavies. I don't think
>he deserves a best supporting nom with just the movies that
>are out now, never mind when the Oscar bait hits.
>
>Near the end, I felt like I was watching a horror movie but I
>was rooting for the killer.
>
>I just didn't like it. I was rooting for it the whole time but
>it just didn't come together for me.

  

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89. "I wasn't complaining about the violence"
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Not sure why you focused on that point. I just pointed out that it isn't usually expected in an art house film like that. But Driver wasn't a werewolf; he was a wolf in sheep's clothing. It wasn't that he turned into a killer and hated that side of him. He was ice cold and just hid it behind his sheepish smile and his quiet manner. And this is why it was like a horror film to me. He had no remorse and just went out and used his skills to make Mulligan safe. It was an emotionless The Professional with zero character development.

My issue was that storywise and characterwise was the film was basic and one dimensional. The film didn't do anything wrong but they also didnt really try to do much.

(Although I don't why those guys popped blanche like that. She was there girl. She called them with the location.)

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92. "I was referencing the mention of &amp;quot;over the top violence&amp;quo..."
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Which should have been expected if any pre-release word was explored.

>Not sure why you focused on that point. I just pointed out
>that it isn't usually expected in an art house film like that.

I'd actually argue you get more violence in art house than in mainstream films. Chiefly because of the response Drive has seemed to elicit, major studios would most often balk at such brutality.

Two most bloody movies I've seen this year: 13 Assassins and Drive.

That's a tangent, but just saying . . .

>But Driver wasn't a werewolf; he was a wolf in sheep's
>clothing. It wasn't that he turned into a killer and hated
>that side of him. He was ice cold and just hid it behind his
>sheepish smile and his quiet manner. And this is why it was
>like a horror film to me. He had no remorse and just went out
>and used his skills to make Mulligan safe. It was an
>emotionless The Professional with zero character development.

A. I'd say the elevator was his turn into a werewolf moment, at least from Mulligan's perspective. I mean look at her response. There he is, tender, romantic, magical with that kiss and then you get this stark contrast a second later.

B. And yes, Driver did certainly have psychopath tendencies that he brought out, but he acted that way in order to protect his "damsel in distress", as you point out. Don't think that quite justifies the "wolf in sheep's clothing" characterization.

>My issue was that storywise and characterwise was the film was
>basic and one dimensional.

I don't feel Gosling's character, nor his relationship with Mulligan were basic or one-dimensional. There's a lot simmering beneath the surface that just isn't trumpeted.

>(Although I don't why those guys popped blanche like that. She
>was there girl. She called them with the location.)

Tying up loose ends, perhaps. Same reason Cook was killed.

  

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95. "You seem to be forgetting the diner scene"
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Gosling threatens to kick the dude's teeth in and shows who he really is before any of the threats to mulligan. The violence isn't because mulligan is threatened; its because that is who he is.
Yes, Mulligan doesn't know. Nor does she ultimately care. She is upset about the husband being killed but then doesn't mind him kissing her (and I didn't find that moment tender in the least) and then he sees him stomp out dude but later checks in on him.

I really don't see too much simmering underneath. Gosling is pretty basic; loves her/wants to protect her. Mulligan is clearly drawn to bad boys but struggles when she sees how bad they really are (but, again, ultimately gets over it.)

As for less violence, I would hardly say that Refn and takashi miike are par for the course indiewise. Especially American directors.

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97. "Because words and actions are on equal ground, right?"
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>Gosling threatens to kick the dude's teeth in and shows who
>he really is before any of the threats to mulligan.

I'm not suggesting that Driver was a peace and love dude, but I do see him sort of like Bardem in NCFOM, this principled killer.

Loudmouth in the diner was threatening to reveal his identity, speak to him about professional stuff on personal time, and Driver had to bark a little to temper that situation. Compare using some sort of WWE-threat (kick your teeth down your throat, was it?) to the controlled workmanlike intensity with which he threatens Christina Hendricks. It was for show.

But anyway, he's maintaining his cool, keeping the monster in him at bay, and then he's threatened and someone he cares for is threatened, and the werewolf comes out.

Sure, the diner scene might have hinted at the psychopath that lies within in, but that switch was ultimately flipped for good once the stakes became unmistakable.

I'm not saying that monster wasn't always there. But for the audience, who had this innocent notion of Driver for much of the first half of the movie, and certainly for Mulligan's character, who had that same notion until the elevator scene, I guess, the violence needed to be that extreme, that "over the top" to emphasize what was on the line for the Driver and to really puncture that initial impression we / she had of him. That was my point in my first reply to you: the over-the-toppness of it all served a thematic point.

>The
>violence isn't because mulligan is threatened; its because
>that is who he is.

It's both who he is and because of her. They're not mutually exclusive. She's the trigger for the violence inside him.

>As for less violence, I would hardly say that Refn and takashi
>miike are par for the course indiewise. Especially American
>directors.

Just going off of what you said . . .

  

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101. "In this case, yes. The words moreso."
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The soft spoken Driver finally putting together a confident sentence and threatening the guy was as strong as any act of violence. One sentence showed us as much as one brutal act of violence. Also the focus. was on the right place. That seem got a "damn!" from the audience I saw it with. The violence got groans or giggles. I'd argue that the second tensest moment was the violence that didn't happen - the bullet to the head.
Personally I don't think the violence added muchand it took away from what was important. You don't have to show me the blood to get the point across. American History X didn't have to show a head getting kicked in; the shot of teeth on pavement had me squirming more than actually showing the force of the kick.

The werewolf comparison just doesn't work. He doesn't regret it; in fact he offers his services to run away and protect her. There's never a struggle with it. He has it in him, uses it as he needs it, and never Spears powerless to it. You writing that people don't know about it at first is exactly why I described him as a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a wolf in love but he's 100% wolf. (You mention bardem in ncfom which I would agree with but he was a wolf as well, not at all a werewolf.)

In the end, all that really matters is the connection and I thought gosling was creepy and the guy I connected with the most was oscar isaac, so I thought it kind of sucked for him that mullligan wasn't in love with him anymore. I also thought the connection between the driver and mulligan was paper thin so the core relationship between creep and girl with bad taste in men didn't inspire much from me.

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104. "Can't agree with you there."
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Still say the threat was for show.

Still say the violence had a motivation and served a point more than just a self-serving one, for the character and the film.

Driver compared himself to the scorpion, someone whose nature was always to do evil, perhaps like the wolf you suggest. However, he never betrayed Irene, either in violence or non-violence, so that comparison only goes so far: werewolf feels more apt. But it seems like you saw a different movie than me and for different reasons and with different expectations. No point in going forward with the disagreement.

>The soft spoken Driver finally putting together a confident
>sentence and threatening the guy was as strong as any act of
>violence. One sentence showed us as much as one brutal act of
>violence. Also the focus. was on the right place. That seem
>got a "damn!" from the audience I saw it with. The violence
>got groans or giggles.

Not my experience or take at all but okay.

>Personally I don't think the violence added muchand it took
>away from what was important. You don't have to show me the
>blood to get the point across. American History X didn't have
>to show a head getting kicked in; the shot of teeth on
>pavement had me squirming more than actually showing the force
>of the kick.

Not my experience or take at all but okay.

>The werewolf comparison just doesn't work. He doesn't regret
>it; in fact he offers his services to run away and protect
>her. There's never a struggle with it. He has it in him, uses
>it as he needs it, and never Spears powerless to it. You
>writing that people don't know about it at first is exactly
>why I described him as a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a wolf
>in love but he's 100% wolf.

Not my experience or take at all but okay.

>In the end, all that really matters is the connection and I
>thought gosling was creepy and the guy I connected with the
>most was oscar isaac, so I thought it kind of sucked for him
>that mullligan wasn't in love with him anymore. I also thought
>the connection between the driver and mulligan was paper thin
>so the core relationship between creep and girl with bad taste
>in men didn't inspire much from me.

Not my experience or take at all but okay.

  

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114. "So the first time he really speaks..."
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We should just ignore it as an empty threat?

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55. "I really liked it BUT (spoilers)"
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I didn't expect to see that level of violence.

I don't know if that's typical for the director as I've never seen any of his stuff.

I'm excited to read y'all's thoughts on it.

  

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56. "The bit I saw of Valhalla Rising is VERY similar"
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Silent hero, brutal violence.

Personally, I think Bronson is his best film (although I haven't seen all of Rising.)

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63. "Track down Pusher 2. (You don't need to see the first to appreciate.)"
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>I don't know if that's typical for the director as I've never
>seen any of his stuff.

  

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67. "AND Pusher 3"
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57. "Was the book it the movie was based on set in the 80's?"
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This is probably because ultimately I didn't like the music in the movie for the most part, but it was throwing me off because it made the movie feel as if it was set in the 80's and the only thing in the movie that really set it in present day was the opening scene with the references to Blake Griffin over the radio and the Staple Center usage.

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Assuming the DVD release of this comes with commentary from the director or Gosling, I'm more than likely to cop because I'd like to hear the reasons for some of the cinematography choices in the flick


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61. "re: Spoiler alert"
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>it made the movie feel as if it was set in the 80's

Refn and Gosling have spoken openly about having 80's Michael Mann flicks, Purple Rain, John Hughes, Blue Velvet, etc. in mind when making this. I don't know if any of the Cobra references I picked up on were intended either, but that's another great LA 80s crime film this reminded me of.

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>gory and done in detail.

Spoilers cont.

You do see Brooks and Gosling lose quite a lot of blood in the beginning of their tussle. Ultimately, I dug the shadow perspective, because it sort of distorts what you're looking at / who you're rooting for. I love that you see Driver's gloves in his back pocket in the shadow and that's your indication he's the last man standing.

Ron Perlman's death is also relatively subtle, at least in terms of blood and brutality.

  

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66. "I'm reading the novella by James Sallis and honestly"
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it could be the 80's or the present time its somewhat ambiguous doesn't get too specific in the book with the time period
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58. "Liked it a lot. Reminded me of The American with Clooney..."
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The scene with Brooks, Nino and Cook in the pizzeria was great.

  

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59. "Enjoyed the hell out of this"
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Thought some of the violence was very off-putting, but loved Gosling's understated performance, and the music fit everything like a glove.

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62. "Understated yet somehow also a monster of a performance. n/m"
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>loved
>Gosling's understated performance

  

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64. "that damn look he gave Carey Mulligan as he turned around in the elevato..."
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after doing what he did to the guy in the elevator- crazy,psychotic,eerie and just powerful facial expression from Gosling
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68. "i think i'm going to see this tomorrow"
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during the matinee...i can't wait.

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69. "Saw it today...was sorta surprise by the audience...(minor spoilers)"
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Ages ranged from senior citizens to approx 8 years old *pause*...and alot of women (including myself, lol). I expected mostly men in the 18-50 age range.

I thought it was really good...found myself wanting more. Especially as it related to the driver's past (Did they ever say his name?). You saw he was capable of violence when he was at the diner, but how did he get that way? What was his previous profession, etc?

Even though there were lulls in the action, I thought they were very well placed. The last scene was especially tense (at least for me) because you were wondering what was going to happen.

I also wondered about the choices in showing the kills. Brooks' character wasn't the only murder that wasn't shown, but it was like 'Go completely over the top' or 'show nothing'. There was no in between. I also noticed the street level players had a more violent death whereas Nino and Bernie's deaths were somewhat muted...which seemed backwards under the circumstances.

  

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70. "Spoilers continued."
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>I thought it was really good...found myself wanting more.
>Especially as it related to the driver's past (Did they ever
>say his name?). You saw he was capable of violence when he
>was at the diner, but how did he get that way? What was his
>previous profession, etc?

No name. No back-story. All on purpose.

Those involved have floated lines like, "Driver saw too many movies", "He's in a fairy tale saving a damsel", etc.

>The last scene was especially tense
>(at least for me) because you were wondering what was going to
>happen.

Right.

I hadn't read anything that would have hinted at Gosling's death, but I was saying to myself, "blink, motherfucker, blink."

>I also wondered about the choices in showing the kills.
>Brooks' character wasn't the only murder that wasn't shown,
>but it was like 'Go completely over the top' or 'show
>nothing'. There was no in between. I also noticed the street
>level players had a more violent death whereas Nino and
>Bernie's deaths were somewhat muted...which seemed backwards
>under the circumstances.

The second dude at the motel, the one who comes through the front door, is murdered off-screen, I think. Reminded me a little of NCFOM in its selectivity in showing character's deaths.

  

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74. "Spoilers in #69 are actually major...my bad"
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Nm

  

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71. "I loved it "
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I enjoyed the quiet cool of the whole film. The long silences and just music playing and the scenery. Being that I'm from L.A. and have driven all over the county it was fun just seeing places as he drove made me think to myself, "I remember having nights like that."

It was shot in a total 80's fashion, the lighting and sound track reminded me of Michael Mann's Thief. It was like hearing Tangerine Dream play when James Caan's character is riding the streets of Los Angeles.

Gosling was just too cool, he was like watching Ryan O'Neal as The Driver. Matter fact with all the talk of Michael Mann, it had a lot more in common with Walter Hill's The Driver story wise.

Brooks was great as the bad guy in this one, he reminded me of Danny DeVito's character in Heist. Pearlman was good as the goon as well as Cranston doing his thing as the old friend.

Overall I loved it, especially dug the soundtrack for that 80's nostalgia and how it was shot.



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73. "It's a masterpiece..."
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provided you've never seen a Michael Mann or Jim Jarmusch movie. Shit's as hollow as a Michael Bay movie but with forced irony. Save your dough and see Warrior.

  

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81. "It's hollow because it has influences?"
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As though Jim Jarmusch makes his films in a vacuum . . .

  

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83. "It's hollow because it's an"
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empty exercise in style. It asks nothing of its audience emotionally or intellectually. Jarmusch at least asks you to feel something. This shit is a bad GQ photospread come half-alive.

  

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84. "Is it heavily stylized? Sure. Why is that a bad thing?"
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You felt nothing in the relationship between Gosling and Mulligan's characters? I thought that was one of the most unique on-screen romances in recent years and very trusting of the director to show that relationship and all its ambiguity in action and expression rather than dialogue and exposition. That's more demanding than what your typical film-goer is asked of: intellectually, emotionally, whatever. I think Mulligan and Gosling's performances alone demand more thought from the audience than most films do in total.

You felt nothing in the look she gives him after she's seen the violence he's capable of? That's a pretty complex exchange I think.

Even the depiction of the Oscar Isaac character, minimal though it may be, is given a rather refreshing touch, i.e., it doesn't allow the audience to simply typecast it as the obvious.

Does Driver's "heroism" justify his savagery? Did he have a violent nature all along or was it just aroused by the circumstance? Do you think he saw himself as valiant? Where did he come from, or is that important? How does he fit into the noir tradition?

There's plenty to chew on if you're willing.

  

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86. "I did enjoy the Oscar characyet but the Gosling-Mulligan romance was..."
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embarrassing. It's Travis Bickle and Iris minus any real emotion. Cuteness for the sake of quirkiness.


>You felt nothing in the relationship between Gosling and
>Mulligan's characters? I thought that was one of the most
>unique on-screen romances in recent years and very trusting of
>the director to show that relationship and all its ambiguity
>in action and expression rather than dialogue and exposition.
>That's more demanding than what your typical film-goer is
>asked of: intellectually, emotionally, whatever. I think
>Mulligan and Gosling's performances alone demand more thought
>from the audience than most films do in total.
>
>You felt nothing in the look she gives him after she's seen
>the violence he's capable of? That's a pretty complex
>exchange I think.
>
>Even the depiction of the Oscar Isaac character, minimal
>though it may be, is given a rather refreshing touch, i.e., it
>doesn't allow the audience to simply typecast it as the
>obvious.
>
>Does Driver's "heroism" justify his savagery? Did he have a
>violent nature all along or was it just aroused by the
>circumstance? Do you think he saw himself as valiant? Where
>did he come from, or is that important? How does he fit into
>the noir tradition?
>
>There's plenty to chew on if you're willing.

  

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90. "The silence lets you read too much into it"
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I found nothing new or unique with them. I liked Oscar Isaac but that was your standard bad guy trying to go good. The only thing new with mulligan/gosling relationship was that it was extrememly understated and a lot of the initial connection relied on gosling's looks.

Because they don't speak their mind, you can imagine what you will but there's really little there that breaks new ground.

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99. "I didn't find Isaac to be standard at all."
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No pun intended.

That first scene when he comes back and sees the driver is full of darkness and intimidation. When he first sees the driver after getting the shit beat out of him, the response is essentially, "Oh great, this guy."

I found the relationship between Isaac and Gosling's characters to be based on mutual interest but not exactly trust or genuine care. The driver only gives a shit because of the threats to Irene. Standard only gives a shit because the driver is in a position to help him with a life-saving mission. There's cordial behavior on the surface, but the hints that Standard isn't *really* a "good guy" are all over the place.

Luckily for us, they didn't have Isaac or Gosling give monologues where they explain how they feel. I can see how if you checked out of the film or don't care for Gosling how you'd think that the silence disguises an emptiness in plotting, but I thought Gosling, Isaac, Mulligan, Cranston, and especially Brooks had complex characterizations that were clearly revealed through behavior, glances, and vocal inflection.

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102. "None of what you wrote is new"
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The relationship you described is standard. The uneasy alliance is a noir staple. And, again, I think you are using the lack of explanation to read too much into the characters and act like they are something more than stock. If the characters did speak/explain, what would they say that was different from the norm? I think their explanations would have just cemented the fact that they are the usual archetypes. The reason that the look in the elevator was so powerful because it was one of the two moments of genuine conflict (the other moment, which I think was botched a bit) was when driver considered breaking his rules for standard during the robbery.)

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103. "But you're doing the same thing you accuse us of doing."
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You're saying we're reading too much into it, but I think you're reading too little. You're reading into it that they'd have nothing to say, and I think you're reading too far into the silence with your own interpretation of why they were silent (your explanation being lazy writing or shallow twists to stock characters).

I felt more connection and more complexity from these silent characters than any number of characters from this genre who never shut up.

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in films like this, i tune out because there's too much talking.

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117. "There's a lot of bad noir out there."
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And usually they are bad because they try too hard, either in the cool dialogue or in throwing in too many double crosses and what not.

The one reason I wanted to bump up Drive on my rank of movies I'd seen this year was because it didn't do anything wrong. One my friends who I saw it with compared it to Captain America, which is odd but his issue with both was that they hit all the notes of the genre but didn't really do anything new and didn't really take risks in terms of character or story.

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126. "yes to all of this/spoilers"
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I haven't seen a good NOIR film in recent years...

save for Brick and a few films here and there...I really thought noir died back in the 80s and early 90s...

DRIVE really has ushered it back in.

I really loved the movie...the long silences/the lack of dialogue/that was all extrememly effective.

the out of left field violence was jarring for a minute or two (you would have laughed at the collective "DAAAAMN JOAN!" from the audience I was watching it with {most of which HAD to be Mad Men fans} and my row where everyone did a slow motion side lean when her head was blown in two and her body fell to the ground was out of control) but given the movie and what was going on, expected.

Ryan Gosling is AMAZING in this movie...he really is. Right now, gosling, tom hardy, joel edgerton are really among the only few young actors in their earlier 30s quitely killing it on the silver screen...seriously.

It was a solid movie all around.

and I would have been scared to see HOW this movie would have looked with HUGH JACKMAN as the lead...

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130. "The Jackman think struck me as odd too"
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But part of me thinks that I would have liked him better. I found Gosling's portrayal TOO cold and I think Jackman would have played him closer to a normal person.
On the other hand, I think Jackman might have been a little too over the top with the anger whereas Gosling handled the cool, psychotic violence better.

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135. "nah Jackman would have been a bad choice"
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for the reasons you stated *AND* for the fact that, I don't know, he's REAL inconsistent when he's going for a serious dramatic moment (i.e. Australia, he was all over the place in that movie)...

plus, he doesn't strike me as an actor who can do "emotional silence" like Ryan can...

I didn't feel at all that Ryan's portrayal as the main character is cold at all...

he was pitch perfect imho

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140. "True. There's probably a 15% chance he nails it."
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And if he was off, he'd be WAY off.

I'm not sure if it was because the kid's name was Benicio but I kept thinking that it was a perfect role for a younger Benicio Del Toro. Reminded me of a crazier, more violent version of his character in Way of the Gun.

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201. "oddly enough i thought of Way of the Gun too..."
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i love how much Benicio is able to say without saying a word in that movie. this film reminded me of it.

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224. "*cough*Brick*cough*"
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>And usually they are bad because they try too hard, either in
>the cool dialogue or in throwing in too many double crosses
>and what not.
>
>The one reason I wanted to bump up Drive on my rank of movies
>I'd seen this year was because it didn't do anything wrong.
>One my friends who I saw it with compared it to Captain
>America, which is odd but his issue with both was that they
>hit all the notes of the genre but didn't really do anything
>new and didn't really take risks in terms of character or
>story.

Brick tried to do too much. Drive didn't do enough. Drive wasn't bad but I think it's only getting best of year accolades due to the year being so shiddy. It's better than Brick tho.

  

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112. "I've yet to hear a more complex explanation "
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The explanation for standard was basically the definition of the uneasy ally.

The threat at the diner is dismissed as a mere bluff which I think makes no sense as this is a guy who never speaks. When he finally does, its unmasked brutality (or words of a "psychopath", Refn's own words.) The only reason to act like that scene can be dismissed as a bluff or not the first sign of his true nature is because it doesn't fit the character that others have conjured in their heads.

I've yet to hear any explanation of how mulligan's character as having any depth or being anything more than a dime store guinevere with Driver as her creepy lancelot.
Mostly all that people have said is "no there's more!" but I've yet to hear something that makes me look at th film or characters in a new light.

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116. "And on a purely plot related note... (SPOILER ABOUT THE END)"
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The idea that Brooks's character is the only link between the girl and the money is just plain wrong. Her husband was identified as the robber. If the Family was a dangerous as Brooks's character made it seem, I'd think she'd still be in trouble, unless we're supposed to believe that the police ending up with the money is going to make them stop following who took their money. After all, who killed Brooks? I guess the thinking is that by killing Brooks and fleeing the scene, they'd be chasing Driver but the girl would still be potentially in harm's way since the mob would think that she is his partner's wife and kid.

I thought Gosling was going to let Brooks kill him (upset that the girl rejected him, thinking that his nature turned her away) but he tipped off the mob so they would catch Brooks leaving the restaurant with all of the money. Brooks would be dead. The mob would have the money so the girl would be safe.

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120. "Character is based in execution, not in originality."
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>The explanation for standard was basically the definition of
>the uneasy ally.

I'm not saying the character WAS wildly different than other uneasy allies. I found the execution made the character feel original, and the dialogue mixed with the acting made him feel more real than 99% of these types of characters in cinematic history.

>The threat at the diner is dismissed as a mere bluff which I
>think makes no sense as this is a guy who never speaks. When
>he finally does, its unmasked brutality (or words of a
>"psychopath", Refn's own words.) The only reason to act like
>that scene can be dismissed as a bluff or not the first sign
>of his true nature is because it doesn't fit the character
>that others have conjured in their heads.

I don't think it's a bluff at all. I think it's self-preservation, and it's a sample of the fact that Driver can be both caring of another character while maintaining the necessary protection with the seedier people in this world. I don't think he HAS to be one way or the other. You can prefer to not partake in violent activity while also keeping the capacity to complete the needed tasks.

>I've yet to hear any explanation of how mulligan's character
>as having any depth or being anything more than a dime store
>guinevere with Driver as her creepy lancelot.
>Mostly all that people have said is "no there's more!" but
>I've yet to hear something that makes me look at th film or
>characters in a new light.

When the connection is based on chemistry and not on extended dialogue, you either feel the chemistry or you don't. You didn't. Fair enough. I felt the connection, didn't find it creepy, felt more depth than most relationships in these types of films, etc. Again, it's the execution of the character that makes it feel different.

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125. "But that was what you were saying."
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Your first comment was that Standard wasn't standard. Now you're conceding that he may not have been all that original. Which is what I've been saying.

The characters are stock, the plot is noir 101.

Now I should say that I agree with you and have been a bit of a devil's advocate to Ricky_Butler. My issue was more with Ricky basically attacking people who didn't like the film, blaming them for the film falling short and acting like these were some of the most unique characters and relationships.

My point is that, as much as you can say it's my fault that I didn't like the film, it's your reading too much into it to say you liked it. The film, on its face, had standard characters and a noir 101 plot.
It's not a film that you can say, "I didn't love the lead but the other character arcs and the plot really carried it for me." It's Gosling or Bust. And in the first real meeting of him and Mulligan, I thought, "If he didn't look like Ryan Gosling, she'd be creeped the fuck out right now."

(I thought Oscar Isaac was great and more deserving of hype than Brooks, although the realer than 99% of characters in cinematic history is definite hyperbole. I also think they cut a key part out of the montage - Gosling said he took her to a trash build up in the LA river and her seeing him appreciate it made her like him more. Kind of on the nose but IMO better than the Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head montage that was in there.)

Again, I've never said lazy writing and I've never said it was a bad movie. For people to act incredulous that others didn't find the movie romantic or winsome in the least is because the movie is almost completely subjective. I was just pointing out that I could make the same arguments back and the only response is, as Ricky finally stated, that we had different experiences. If you buy in, the film's ambiguity is a strength. If those characters fall flat, it's a weakness. It's not like there's one way to read into these characters. I didn't like them that much and I liked them less the more I read into them.

As for the bluff comment, I didn't notice that you made the earlier post so that was aimed at Ricky who claims that the comment was just a bluff and shouldn't be seen as the audience's first insight to The Driver's true nature. Personally, I felt he went from a subjective disagreement to overlooking pretty clear moments in the film so the moment would fit the film into the character/story he's created in his head. To look into Gosling more and seem him as a misunderstood hero but one that misunderstood himself is one thing. To take a moment where Gosling's first real sentence of the film is utterly cold and violent and passing it off as a mere bluff (especially given his actions later in the film) seems just wrong to me.






>>The explanation for standard was basically the definition
>of
>>the uneasy ally.
>
>I'm not saying the character WAS wildly different than other
>uneasy allies. I found the execution made the character feel
>original, and the dialogue mixed with the acting made him feel
>more real than 99% of these types of characters in cinematic
>history.
>
>>The threat at the diner is dismissed as a mere bluff which I
>>think makes no sense as this is a guy who never speaks. When
>>he finally does, its unmasked brutality (or words of a
>>"psychopath", Refn's own words.) The only reason to act like
>>that scene can be dismissed as a bluff or not the first sign
>>of his true nature is because it doesn't fit the character
>>that others have conjured in their heads.
>
>I don't think it's a bluff at all. I think it's
>self-preservation, and it's a sample of the fact that Driver
>can be both caring of another character while maintaining the
>necessary protection with the seedier people in this world. I
>don't think he HAS to be one way or the other. You can prefer
>to not partake in violent activity while also keeping the
>capacity to complete the needed tasks.
>
>>I've yet to hear any explanation of how mulligan's character
>>as having any depth or being anything more than a dime store
>>guinevere with Driver as her creepy lancelot.
>>Mostly all that people have said is "no there's more!" but
>>I've yet to hear something that makes me look at th film or
>>characters in a new light.
>
>When the connection is based on chemistry and not on extended
>dialogue, you either feel the chemistry or you don't. You
>didn't. Fair enough. I felt the connection, didn't find it
>creepy, felt more depth than most relationships in these types
>of films, etc. Again, it's the execution of the character that
>makes it feel different.

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127. "Since, I'm being brought back into this . . ."
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>Now I should say that I agree with you and have been a bit of
>a devil's advocate to Ricky_Butler. My issue was more with
>Ricky basically attacking people who didn't like the film,
>blaming them for the film falling short and acting like these
>were some of the most unique characters and relationships.

Only thing along those lines I said was that if you found the violence off-putting, then that's on you for not doing homework. Same thing with the long silences. It's like people that thought they were seeing just another Brad Pitt / Sean Penn movie and ended up bewildered by Tree of Life because they didn't know who Terrence Malick is. The information's there, don't the blame the movie because you couldn't find it. That's the only "attacking" of people I can take responsibility for.

The movie is not beyond reproach.

zero called it too self-aware and dispassionate, and I have no beef with that, because that's what he took away from it.

Yes, I did disagree with mr. show who called it "hollow", listed my reasons for thinking there was more than just surface, and left it at that. He or anyone can agree or not.

The only reason I got caught in a back-and-forth with you was mostly over interpretation. That's different than defending the movie or not IMO.

>As for the bluff comment, I didn't notice that you made the
>earlier post so that was aimed at Ricky who claims that the
>comment was just a bluff and shouldn't be seen as the
>audience's first insight to The Driver's true nature.
>Personally, I felt he went from a subjective disagreement to
>overlooking pretty clear moments in the film so the moment
>would fit the film into the character/story he's created in
>his head. To look into Gosling more and seem him as a
>misunderstood hero but one that misunderstood himself is one
>thing. To take a moment where Gosling's first real sentence of
>the film is utterly cold and violent and passing it off as a
>mere bluff (especially given his actions later in the film)
>seems just wrong to me.

I'm not sure I've ever told someone I had plans to kick their teeth down their throat, but I've probably voiced similar threats to people in anxious or frustrated situations. Maybe that makes me an asshole, but I'd like to believe it doesn't automatically suggest I'm capable of smashing a dude's face in.

  

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129. "RE: Since, I'm being brought back into this . . ."
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Mon Sep-19-11 08:37 PM by SoulHonky

          

>Only thing along those lines I said was that if you found the
>violence off-putting, then that's on you for not doing
>homework. Same thing with the long silences. It's like
>people that thought they were seeing just another Brad Pitt /
>Sean Penn movie and ended up bewildered by Tree of Life
>because they didn't know who Terrence Malick is. The
>information's there, don't the blame the movie because you
>couldn't find it. That's the only "attacking" of people I can
>take responsibility for.

A. The idea that people have to do their homework before seeing a film strikes me along the same lines as Longo's "You shouldn't have to see a film twice to enjoy it" rule.
And yet again, you were blowing the violence part out of proportion. I mentioned it was over the top, I never said it took me out of the film or that it was even off-putting. You keep harping on something I never said.

B. Look at your initial responses to mrshow, they went much further than just saying people had to do their homework. You were downright bewildered how anyone could not be blown away by the relationship. I agree that he went too far by saying hollow as a Bay film and emotionless but your response was "How could you not?" rather than actually explaining or trying to explain the emotion that mrshow missed. I thought the romance started oddly and I didn't like the characters but I'm not sure how anyone can call the elevator scene emotionless.

>I'm not sure I've ever told someone I had plans to kick their
>teeth down their throat, but I've probably voiced similar
>threats to people in anxious or frustrated situations. Maybe
>that makes me an asshole, but I'd like to believe it doesn't
>automatically suggest I'm capable of smashing a dude's face
>in.

So you would compare yourself to The Driver? Also, doesn't the fact that Driver DID kick in a dude's face change your view of the threat? I don't know how you hear a guy make that threat, then do some unspeakable violence, and keep thinking that he was just venting in the earlier scene.

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134. "There are some serious reading comprehension issues here."
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Either that or you are being an asshole, because my response to most everything you typed there is, "that's not at all what I just said." So congratulations, you win the how to argue like a 9-year old award.

You don't have to like the movie. I like the movie, but it's not worth letting this inanity go on any longer.

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137. "How is it not what you said?"
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- You didn't say people need to do homework before seeing a movie? Because you reiterated "if you found the violence off-putting, then that's on you for not doing homework." You also wrote, "The information's there, don't the blame the movie because you couldn't find it."

- Your initial response to mrshow wasn't reasons WHY you disagreed, it was simply citing scenes or characters and STATING you disagreed.

- I asked if you would compare yourself to the Driver because YOU RESPONSE THE DRIVER'S RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU WOULD DO? How can you write, "Well, if I was in his shoes, I would have done the same thing" and then say that you aren't making a comparison?

So please tell me how anything I typed wasn't what you said because I was pretty much going off what you typed verbatim.

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138. "RE: How is it not what you said?"
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>- You didn't say people need to do homework before seeing a
>movie? Because you reiterated "if you found the violence
>off-putting, then that's on you for not doing homework." You
>also wrote, "The information's there, don't the blame the
>movie because you couldn't find it."

I SAID:
"my response to *most* everything you typed . . ."

"most"

I AM SAYING:
I did write that people slipped up and didn't do their homework if they came out complaining about the violence, as replies 51 and 72 seem to suggest. However, again, reread where I said "most everything you typed" was a misread. You understood me correctly, but that's just not an argument I feel like having (the validity of knowing what you're seeing before you see it). That would be the exception to the "everything".

>- Your initial response to mrshow wasn't reasons WHY you
>disagreed, it was simply citing scenes or characters and
>STATING you disagreed.

Those scenes or characters are my examples of how the movie, through various scenes and characterizations, went beyond "hollow." They're why I disagree; how is that not clear?

Let me try this:

I disagree with mrshow.

I disagree with mrshow based on certain qualities I find in the movie, typified by certain scenes and characters.

I disagree with mrshow based on certain qualities I find in the movie, typified by certain scenes and characters, so I list those scenes and characters as evidence for my disagreement.

I disagree with mrshow based on certain qualities I find in the movie, typified by certain scenes and characters, so I list those scenes and characters as evidence for my disagreement, while further providing my interpretation of how those scenes and characters fit into my disagreement.

No?

>- I asked if you would compare yourself to the Driver because
>YOU RESPONSE THE DRIVER'S RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU WOULD DO? How
>can you write, "Well, if I was in his shoes, I would have done
>the same thing" and then say that you aren't making a
>comparison?

That was not my wording.

I was talking generally about making aggressive threats. How that then becomes me strapping on a Scorpion jacket is bizarre.

>So please tell me how anything I typed wasn't what you said
>because I was pretty much going off what you typed verbatim.

So it's a comprehension issue then?



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139. "You speak in generalities when the discussion is specific"
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Your response to my third point says it all.

We were speaking about The Driver's specific response and how it shows his specific character.

You said if you were in his spot, you'd make a threat but not as harsh.

I asked if you compared yourself to The Driver because that's the only way that response would have any value at all. If you aren't like The Driver, then who cares what you would do?! We're looking at the specific reaction of a specific character. A character who you apparently don't think you are like at all. So why would your reaction have ANY bearing on the discussion?

You then wrote that, "I was talking generally about making aggressive threats." Yet you don't seem to realize how speaking generally has ZERO bearing on the discussion at hand.

Basically, we're discussing how the threat gives us insight into The Driver and your response is, "Generally, some threats are empty and just bluffs, therefore that must have been what The Driver was doing." You ignore all the evidence and just go off an insanely general point as if there's some correlation there.

Seriously, if someone threatened you and you walked away and then, later, you learned that the dude killed multiple people, smashed a dude's head with his foot, and almost hammered a bullet into someone's head, would your reaction be:
A) Good thing I walked away because that guy would have gone off on me
or
B) Good thing when the guy threatened me he was just bluffing.
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As for the first point, yes, you wrote "most".

But since your post was just you being pissy and making a generally dismissive statement, I had reiterate all of my points. You see "most" is a general term."Most" is vague. "Most" does not give details. To act like the inclusion of "most" should somehow mean that I know which parts of my post you didn't take issue with is an utter joke, which is pretty much in line with the rest of your comments in this thread.

For instance, you state that you don't want to have a discussion about whether or not people should do their homework before a film. That is ridiculous because pretty much your entire first response to me was nothing but "You should have done your homework." You throw out a claim and then when someone questions it, you say "That's how I feel" and run away and give no actual response or discussion.
Nevermind the fact that I never even said that the violence took away from my enjoyment of the film. So basically, you create a strawman and then make an argument that you don't feel like defending. Awesome.

#2. You keep acting like you provide your interpretations of the scenes and characters but you almost never did, especially in direct response to mrshow. You named scenes and basically just asked, "Those didn't move you?!" Your response to the depth of characters has been to claim that there's a lot "simmering" underneath but you've never explained what exactly simmering. You just say, "No I don't think they're one dimensional."

The closest you came to discussing actual details was the werewolf discussion but using a vague and arguably problematic comparison doesn't really add much to the conversation or go into the specifics of the characters. You simply state the emotions that happen in the scene but never dig deeper into the characters themselves and how the emotions affect them/shape their character. It's incredibly odd that you keep just saying what happens on the face of the scenes while arguing that the depth and ambiguity of the scenes is the film's strength.

I'm sure your response to this will be as intellectually vacant as the rest of your comments so I'm done.

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107. "Refn says that the Driver is a psychopath"
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And also said that his story could be read as the origin of a superhero

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186. "I'll give you Jarmusch, but Michael Mann? lulz"
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Aside from Heat the man's output is utter shit.

I won't even consider your argument based on your examples.

  

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225. "No lulz if you've seen Thief tho. It follows that blueprint to a T. "
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From the score, the unexpected graphic violence, relationships, etc...

  

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75. "My friend said he thinks his 12 y/o son could have taken the violence."
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He says it wasn't worse than the video games the 12 year old plays.

I say he's crazy.

But like...Am I missing something and the violence isn't as bad as I seem to think it was?

  

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76. "I think his 12 y/o son could have written it"
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Definitely not one to take the youngins to though.

  

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77. "I'm with you"
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Full disclosure...my brother and i used to play mortal kombat against each other and he was between 12 and 15 at the time (i was 20).

Having said that, this movie Is nothing a child should see.

  

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78. "I liked it...sort of"
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no, I think I admired it. I didn't really like it.

there's lots to like about it, but it never really comes together for me. Gosling is great, Brooks is alright, the music & sound are top drawer, cinematography is excellent...

but, it's too dispassionate, too detached, too aware of itself. I especially disliked most of the last 15 minutes, when the tone shifts (and not just because of the violence, which I didn't mind).

  

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148. "This is how I feel"
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Based on the descriptions I read in advance, I really expected to love this movie. And there were beautiful moments throughout. The cinematography and music were gorgeous. But I found the characters one-dimensional, the dialogue laughable at a few especially important moments, and I found that I didn't really care that much about the characters by the end.

I don't know if I've ever seen a movie that I tried so hard to like throughout, but just didn't. It fell flat to me.

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79. "The fucking score - Cliff Martinez is still awesome"
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He still remains as my favorite film score composer of all time.

  

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85. "Michael Mann would be proud."
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Enjoyed it pretty much for the reasons I thought I would: Gosling, who does great acting with just his eyes; Mulligan, who's just so cute you believe that this dude would fight for her; Cranston, for committing (tats, the limp!) so fully to the stock Old Mentor role; and Cliff Martinez's score... dude is quietly one of the best in the game...

I haven't read the other reviews here but the movie is very stock (noir movie where the master criminal does one last heist combined with the 'warrior code' movie where the warrior puts in work for women and children), but I didn't have a problem with that, or the pace at all

The movie reminded me VERY much of Michael Mann's criminally slept on (and arguably dated as fuck) Thief from 1981, what with the mood and "feel" (the best way I can describe it, as best typified in the credits)...

The cool mood of the movie -- and the ridiculously awesome bursts of violence -- made up for any story and/or dialogue shortcomings...

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88. "yup. "
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Check #71 cause we're .><. here on this film.

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87. "This is my 2nd favorite film of the year."
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This shit was really well done. A nice slow burn to the whole movie. During awards season Gosling needs a nom, Refn needs a nom and the film needs a Best Picture nom.

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110. "what was your favorite so far?"
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141. "Tree of Life nm"
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91. "what happened in the opening scene? (SPOILER)"
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he "failed" that job, right?

i mean, he obviously had an escape plan for himself, but the two guys in the backseat are fucked. they've got 4 giant garbage bags full of illegalness in a parking garage surrounded by LAPD.

and who tipped off the police to his Impala?

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94. "yeah im curious too"
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96. "I think they got away"
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at least if they were smart, all they had to do is drop the weapons and get ups and walk out into the crowd with the goods.

However, he did say in that window of time he was there's, so maybe that window closed.

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100. "No, it was a success"
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He got them away from the cops by doing the best thing he could at the time, and that was mix them in with the Clipper post-game crowd

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108. "did he really get them away, though?"
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he got them trapped in an enclosed parking garage surrounded by cops. how the hell are they gonna get out of there?

  

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109. "It wasn't "surrounded by cops""
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And even if you wanted to make that argument, the cops are there not to catch two criminals but to manage traffic after a game

In other words, the thought is that it would be fairly easy to do what Ryan Gosling did, even with two big bags

(And not literally put on a Clippers cap, which is what I'm sure the counter to this will be)

The larger point that should be focused on is that the Driver did what he said he would

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115. "I took it as the cops were there for Gosling but they got away"
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I thought that Gosling's plan the entire time was to get them to Staples when the game let out (Or, at the very least, that was the agreed upon Plan B.) I do think the cops were there looking for them (especially the one that he bumps into) but there's no way that the cops are going to stop and search every single car coming out of that garage, especially over a random robbery so the guys got away.

I think a shot of the guys getting out of the car and hustling off to another car might have made it clear but, as you said, the point isn't whether the guys got away. Gosling got them away; his job was done.

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121. "of course they'd check every car"
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they're looking for a silver Impala. every car matching that description would be stopped.

so the guys aren't leaving in that car. so now they've either got another getaway car waiting (which they'd have to conspicuously load full of their loot bags) or they're going to walk past cops with 4 giant garbage bags full of shit.

i took it as him saying "fuck it. tried my best, but i'm not going down for this shit."

also, how the hell did the cops know it was a silver Impala? i assumed Bryan Cranston's character ratted him out, but that didn't seem to be the case.

it didn't ruin the movie for me or anything, but it was confusing at the time, cuz i assumed he "failed" that opening job and would face some consequences. i care less about the logic of it and more about the fact that it was a kind of confusing end to an otherwise beautiful opening scene.

  

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122. "i assumed they had another car"
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I also felt that the second guy took too long and someone spotted the car and called the cops. Nobody ratted them out.

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145. "i am with you on the latter"
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>I also felt that the second guy took too long and someone
>spotted the car and called the cops. Nobody ratted them out.

the second guy took too long and the car got called in as a "car of interest" or something like that.

the former -- whether the job was a success for the driver -- to me was more his 5 minutes were up and he did his best to put the two clients in a winnable situation, with the exiting crowd from the clippers game. whether that was part of the plan or not, his time with them was over and he needed to make his exit.

  

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146. "The five minutes is explained as the window for them to get in the car"
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No getaway driver can set a five minute getaway limit, especially in LA. It takes five minutes to go a mile in LA.

"I give you a five-minute window, anything happens in that five minutes and I'm yours no matter what."

He'll wait for five minutes. You don't get in the car in that time, he's gone. You get in the car, he's yours "no matter what"

Also, the five minute wait limit is important because it shows that Driver even breaks his own rule when it comes to Standard. He stays around longer and also gets out of the car (for a second) to help.

I think the plan was always to get to Staples at the end of the game. It's why he turned on the radio as soon as he was waiting and kept turning up the volume. He wasn't just running from the cops, he was biding his time for the true getaway plan to take shape.

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240. "Upon second viewing, an interesting note on this"
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When the job starts, Gosling puts his watch on the steering wheel, and at one point the camera cuts to the car stereo, which reads 9:51

Then, by the time Gosling and company reach the parking lot near Staples there's another cut to the car stereo, which reads 9:56

Which means that that whole sequence took place in 5 minutes, which is a HUGE buy

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171. "it was a success. didnt one of the brothers come to him later..."
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later in the movie he's at the diner counter and a man recognizes him and tells him basically that they got away..but on another job, his brother got killed and he served 6 months in jail because of a less skillful driver.

then dude goes on to ask gosling to do another job with him, to which Gosling kirks out and tells him to shut the fuck up about it all.


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93. "good shit, Similar to Theif, now let's talk about the cars..."
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Was that 300 a Hemi? I didn't look close enough cause I was too wrapped up in the movie.

What in the hell was that old car that Gosling was driving. I feel like an idiot not knowing. Was that an old chevelle or nova?

  

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124. "'73 Chevelle I believe"
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144. "Yeah I looked it up. Of all the beautiful Chevelles they could've used...."
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they go with that piece of shit

  

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147. "I know right I was like WTF...lol"
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226. "Jeah that was bammer. Should've jacked another better ride."
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242. "Gosling reportedly took apart and rebuilt the engine of that car"
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prior to shooting the movie

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298. "Fits the character though. . ."Plain Jane, just like you asked""
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111. "I caught this on Fri and loved it"
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Gosling is stellar in any role so that didn't surprise me at all. The intensity he showed when he turned violent was fantastic after the cute, subtle moments with Mulligan.

Mulligan looked damn cute in this with that short hair. I was a fan.

The over the top violence, the quiet, boiling intensity. This was a great flick.

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113. "i didn't emotionally connect with any of the characters"
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118. "More boredom?"
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119. "I'm not emotionally connecting with your reply"
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123. "This was just as not funny as the first reply."
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Surely your time could be better wasted making polls in GD?

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128. "Podcast with Hossein Amini (Drive)"
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http://www.scriptmag.com/2011/09/12/podcast-screenwriter-hossein-amini-drive/

It's a pretty interesting podcast, i.e. he discusses his choices for the adaptation of book into a movie.

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131. "thanks for posting this!"
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132. "no problem!"
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its not even 19 minutes. but it's pretty good.

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133. "I liked it."
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It really did a good job of sucking me in to the "mood" of the movie. I was in a weird mood for like an hour after I got out of the theater. Gosling is really climbing my list of favorite actors.

  

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136. "Also, I want that scorpion jacket."
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142. "fun but obnoxious laughter throughout the film @ the film"
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kind of soured me to it.

still good though.

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143. "I might check this out tomorrow night..."
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I like the soundtrack.

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149. "would someone care to equate the 'violence' in this movie? "
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i really want to check it out today but keep hearing about the "ultra-violent" scenes. now, i don't mind violence in movies, but i do take issue with excessive gore and slasher type films.

so would you say the violence is more akin to a "saw" and "hostile"? or are we talking more in the vein of "reservoir dogs, clockwork orange, godfather" etc.?

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150. "Reservoir Dogs but you see the ear get cut off"
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It's not a slasher film at all. There are just five or so instances of graphic violence (a head exploding, you see a neck get slashed, etc.)

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151. "To Live And Die In L.A. circa 2011"
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152. "Kavinsky & Lovefoxxx - Nightcall (theme to the movie)"
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http://youtu.be/UNMKKabcUMo

say what you want about the movie (which was awesome)
this is the best movie theme music EVER.

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154. "College feat. Electric Youth - A Real Hero"
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this one's pretty perfect, too

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164. "oh yeah this is dope too"
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155. "meh.. wasn't feelin it "
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the character interaction between the driver and that chick was excruciating at times. it's as if there was a 5 second delay built into the dialogue. it just felt contrived and forced, not organic at all.

for a movie with so much potential, the development of the primary characters was ass. the only person i actually cared about was the little boy, as he actually brought an organic (human) component to the extremely robotic interactions between the other two.

**SEMI-SPOILERS**

and it wasn't even the pace that bothered me. i actually like slow-paced movies like this. it's the fact that the main characters come off as bland and lifeless.. not to mention the driver turns batshit insane during the 2nd half of the film. i didn't even know who to pull for by the 2nd hour. i suppose the kid and the mom, even though i really could care less about them either.

and the excessive violence... cmon man. i mean, i get the first couple of scenes but the elevator and restaurant scenes were completely over the top imo. i feel like the movie lost me as soon as the heist went bad. sort of like no country for old men after brolin dies only more nonsensical and robotic.

there were a few high points though, specifically the first scene, the pawn shop scene, bryan cranston, and the cinematography. other than that, meh...

  

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156. "I'm a little worried about myself"
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I mean, what does it say about me when the violence everybody is bringing up didn't even make me flinch?

I lived this movie.

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158. "It's not just you. *mild spoilers*"
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I think folks are really overreacting about the violence in this movie. To me it seemed like most of the stuff that was supposedly so graphic was only briefly shown on screen (the guy's head getting kicked in) or not shown at all or hard to see (the hotel room shotgun stuff). To me the only thing about the violence that I thought really stood out was the sound. I do think they put a lot of effort into the sound in the violent scenes to make it a little more gruesome.

  

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157. "A very interesting take on why DRIVE didn't perform well in theaters:"
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http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/autopsy-report-young-guys-didnt-drive/

It's an interesting read....

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159. "Shit, I called it above. It ain't rocket science."
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If you market art as mainstream shit, then people go expecting mainstream shit and are jolted when it's artsier than their expectations.

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161. "YES because everyone I know who saw it and hated it"
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complained that it was too artsy, etc.

yet, folk *HAD* to have know going in JUST by looking at the trailer that there was NOTHING mainstream about it at all...

the music, the sparseness of the trailer, etc.

and you don't have to be a film buff to be able to determine if a movie is mainstream or not and the trailer is your ONLY evidence....

i mean, hell, my father saw the trailer and he's NOT EVEN anywhere NEAR a movie buff like I am and literally called me and said when he saw the trailer: "that's kinda artsy. but i like the trailer so i'll check it out when it comes out on dvd/hbo on demand"....

i'm saying....

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162. "LOL this is so funny"
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Mr W said, "If we're going to see Drive we'd better get tickets early because it's going to sell out."

I said, "You think so?"

He said, "Sure, it's going to be a blockbuster -- everyone's going to see it."

I said, "You know, this is a movie I really want to see. If that movie IS sold out, there are going to be a lot of disappointed people."

He said, "What do you mean?"

I said, "If I like a movie, it is extremely rare for it to become a blockbuster hit. Most people don't like movies I like."

As it turned out, he didn't really like it. He liked the violence, though.



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165. "The movie was never going to make that much"
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11 million is about right for a non-summer R rated genre film. It's on par with The Lincoln Lawyer, The Mechanic, The Debt, Conan, etc. The only R rated films that opened significantly better this year were comedies or name brand horror films (Final Destination and Scream).

That article, like most Deadline Box Office Autopsies, was kind of a waste. On one hand, it's saying that young men didn't show up but then it also says that the one thing most young men would have dug about it, the violence, was too extreme. Too extreme for young men? Really? I'd hardly say that that was the problem.
They also ignore the R rating or the fact that it fared inline with other films like it. Hell, even the PG-13 Hanna only opened to 12 million.

I also found it odd that the guy wrote that it looked like a Fast and the Furious rip-off. If it had looked more like that, I think the box office would have been a bit better.

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160. "I think people don't like being reminded that this stuff happens."
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163. "RE: Drive (Nicolas Winding Refn) Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan"
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saw it sunday. it was cool. not as good as many people are saying, but not bad by any stretch. probably not a movie i'd ever watch again though.

cranston really did a good job gluing the film together.

was it just me or was the music mixed extra loud in some scenes?

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166. "Was I the only one bothered by the bloody scorpion jacket?"
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this:
http://oi55.tinypic.com/21ocv36.jpg

dude had that on from the elevator scene on. in broad daylight, in a resturaunt...

i could do w/o the love story. the chick added nothing to me. i see no reason why love has to be the motivation in these types of films. as if every vile act he commits can be humanized if they're done for a woman. i think the poster had the word hero on it. he was no hero. let the crooks be crooks.

and what happened at the end? where was he driving to?

  

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167. "Thought it was kinda cool. "
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It kinda represented his spiral out of control. The crazier he got, the more blood he got on the jacket. He started off clean and looking good, and ended up blood soaked.

  

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182. "it made no sense. like, he has no other jacket?"
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no one notices a dude walknig around in a blood soaked jacket?


him falling in love and then doing her husband some sort of cuckoldy favor was simply bizarre.

he'd lived at least the last segment of his life w/o saving bitches, or apparently giving a shit about any single thing ever. now suddenly THIS is the time he has to gt involved, for this flat chested chick and her son?

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232. "^^^^^^^^^^^ RIDICULOUS"
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168. "Loved it, and didn't think the violence was -that- graphic"
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'cause they don't show that much,
it's more I think, what me make of it
as previous posters said because of
the music, editing etc...

Anyway, I was completely sold
and had much fun at the theater
also seeing people afterwards who
didn't expect this type of movie
and came for Hollywood Gosling.

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169. "music was too much for me"
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i get what they were going at but it damn near broke my ability to concentrate on the flick....


other than that and the strained scene where gosling and mulligan looked at each other painfully too long, enjoyed it a lot.

  

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170. "hollow + underwhelming + style over substance"
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worth watching, but not worth watching twice.
i didn't really find gosling believable in the role, either.

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172. "i loved it. i want more...only issue"
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i had to come here to find out that Gosling was some sorta psychopath.

now it all makes sense

its no true believable fun watching a rather scrawny man chop down all of these badasses and not get a lil something on his past. i needed a lil karate kid wax on wax off flashback or something!

im lying..I LOVED IT! I SUCKED IT ALL UP!

but yeah, reading that his character is a crazy man helps me a lot.

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173. "Really enjoyed the style and the performances were stellar"
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A quiet calm pervaded the entire movie, much of which had to do w Gosling's character, a lot of the silent shots and cuts, and then the music....the atmosphere and tone of the movie very much so reflected that of Gosling's character: calm and almost comforting, intermittently being interrupted by a violent aggression that lies beneath.

I really can't say enough about how Gosling's performance....the way he can portray things with just a look or a slight change in expression. He's understated yet absolutely controlled the movie. His oscillation and inner-battle between calm and violence were amazing to watch.

The biggest issue imo was that the movie didn't earn the attachment between Gosling and Mulligan....I understand how his character was very reclusive and detached so even a slight connection would be exaggerated for him, but even knowing that, I felt it was too much too soon.

Great performances from the entire cast...Brooks and Perlman were beasts in their own right.

Beautifully shot, great atmosphere, great cast. I will probably go watch it again.

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174. "Ridiculously bad."
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*Spoilers*

Does the screenwriter or director speak English? Why is this called a film noir when only the love story has any hint of hidden intention? In fact, there isn't even ONE LAYER of intention portrayed for these paperthin characters' motivations, let alone several. Why would a wheelman give somebody a five-minute window? Why are there those CSI tones throughout and for no goddamn reason(despite this bit of orthodoxy, use of the music in the film is for the most part hamfisted and cringe-inducingly unsubtle). Why did I go see this movie? I need to watch Mulholland Drive to wash the taste of this swill out of my mouth.

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175. "one more thing"
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(Don't mind me, I was just really struck at how godawful this movie was)

Say you are gonna write a movie with extremely minimal characterization. You take the time to express that the protagonist is super careful (5-minute window) and nonviolent (doesn't carry a gun). Then you have him break these rules; he becomes incautious (blood on his jacket walking around in broad daylight) and ultra-violent...why did you do that? Okay, wait for it...BECAUSE HE MET A CHICK! This is the whole story, and if you have never seen a movie before, the fact that it is actually put on film, complete with periods of time where the camera stops on a person's face ("closeups") might be compelling in itself.

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177. "It's a fairy tale. n/m"
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>(Don't mind me, I was just really struck at how godawful this
>movie was)
>
>Say you are gonna write a movie with extremely minimal
>characterization. You take the time to express that the
>protagonist is super careful (5-minute window) and nonviolent
>(doesn't carry a gun). Then you have him break these rules;
>he becomes incautious (blood on his jacket walking around in
>broad daylight) and ultra-violent...why did you do that?
>Okay, wait for it...BECAUSE HE MET A CHICK! This is the whole
>story, and if you have never seen a movie before, the fact
>that it is actually put on film, complete with periods of time
>where the camera stops on a person's face ("closeups") might
>be compelling in itself.
>
>EAT SHIT

  

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180. "i completely understand why someone would hate this movie, but..."
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it is, on no level, intended to be realistic or even taken seriously.

Gosling said he chose this director because he was watching one of his previous movies and, during a dark, serious scene, one of the characters starts pulling his brother's intestines out of his stomach...Gosling said people seated next to him in the theatre started cracking up and he loved the surprise and abrupt swing of emotion the director could pull out of an audience.

so anyway...the director is an admitted "fetish filmmaker". he just likes to make striking/memorable visuals.

i've noticed people who hate this movie get caught up in the plot details (i did, too...), but i don't think any of that really matters too much...it's just one of those movies to be "experienced".

  

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183. "Valhalla Rising would be even more polarizing."
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>i've noticed people who hate this movie get caught up in the
>plot details (i did, too...), but i don't think any of that
>really matters too much...it's just one of those movies to be
>"experienced".


The plot is nearly incomprehensible, it's even more silent than Drive, and it's even more visceral with its imagery and sudden violence.

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184. "the character has motivation in valhalla rising"
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the driver has literally no reason to do anything he does. he does not appear to want, need or enjoy anything.

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185. "He loves Mulligan's character"
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And wants her to be happy and safe, even if it means helping her husband, the man who ultimately could keep her and the Driver apart.

Granted, I didn't buy that connection (as it seems you didn't either) but I thought his motivation was pretty clearly the connection he somewhat inexplicably feels with Mulligan's character.

As Gosling described it, it's a John Hughes movie with head smashing.

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188. "but this doesn't make sense"
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if he's a psychopath he can't love other people.

there's no indication whatsoever that he ever has before.

nothing happens, nothing changes.

he just decides out of the blue he loves THIS bitch. out of all the thousands of possibles over his lifetime. if there were any special connection there'd be something, but there isn't she doesn't even particularly / spectacularly reach out to him or break him down. she shows up at his workplace. once.


>And wants her to be happy and safe, even if it means helping
>her husband, the man who ultimately could keep her and the
>Driver apart.
>
>Granted, I didn't buy that connection (as it seems you didn't
>either) but I thought his motivation was pretty clearly the
>connection he somewhat inexplicably feels with Mulligan's
>character.
>
>As Gosling described it, it's a John Hughes movie with head
>smashing.


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189. "He sees her at the grocery store before at his shop"
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And, again, I agree that the connection wasn't well done. But I don't think that being a psychopath in this case means he can never feel for ANYONE. He just doesn't feel for most people (I think you could argue that he has a sense of allegiance to Cranston's character.) For some reason, poorly explained IMO, he takes a shine to Mulligan's character and so begins the movie.

If you buy into the connection, which I didn't but it seems most people here did, then the motivation isn't an issue.

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190. "RE: He sees her at the grocery store before at his shop"
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>And, again, I agree that the connection wasn't well done.

it is what it is, you kinda have to go with it

But
>I don't think that being a psychopath in this case means he
>can never feel for ANYONE.

here's the problem, why is this the first time ever apparently? or does he have a history. if they just established ONE data point that explained why THIS girl or her son or something would hit him where no one else ever did.

He just doesn't feel for most
>people (I think you could argue that he has a sense of
>allegiance to Cranston's character.)

he never reacts to cranstons character in any way until he puts the girl in danger, and he doesn't directly react ot his death either.

For some reason, poorly
>explained IMO, he takes a shine to Mulligan's character and so
>begins the movie.
>
>If you buy into the connection, which I didn't but it seems
>most people here did, then the motivation isn't an issue.

the connection that's missing is that he doesn't appear to like anything. not praise, not driving, not cars, not rainy days... nothing.


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191. "well, he first saw her in the elevator"
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but you see him kinda digging her in the grocery store before he goes into a different aisle.


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228. "he just doesn't like to carry a gun. that doesn't mean he's nonviolent."
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176. "re: 5-minute window"
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Driver will wait for 5 minutes while the robbery is going down. They can get in and do what needs to be done, but it must be for no more than 5 minutes, likely because that links up with response time from the cops.

It's not like he's only they're for 5 minutess and exiting no matter what. He's only waiting for that time though.

  

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204. "RE: Ridiculously bad review"
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your review sucks. the end.

  

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178. "I can't really say if I loved or hated this movie because I don't know"
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I loved the music, the violence and the overall tone to it, but it just felt like something was missing. I didn't really feel any connection to any of the characters and I couldn't really feel the connection between the driver and the chick. It was like, all of the sudden they're in love over one date. The lack of dialogue irked me at some points because nothing really connected.

The way that it ended bothered me as well. Just felt like they didn't know how to end it, so they just did.

I don't know, I really did love some of the scenes in this movie, I just felt a little underwhelmed when it was all over.

  

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179. "not bad, but it's an action movie for women, not men."
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gosling got it in but I'm still not sold on him as a great actor.

the director was on one, I'll give him that. gotta see some other stuff he's done.

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181. "forgot to comment. nothing new here. just loved it"
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187. "The extremity of the violence is overstated."
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You people are soft as shit.

  

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192. "excellent"
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I won't even try to defend the flaws; you either really liked it or really didn't. I just wish there was more driving in the second half.

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193. "you're not the only one"
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195. "She MIGHT have a case if it was like the Twister trailer"
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I always remember that the money shot in that trailer wasn't actually in the movie. I wonder if someone could have a false advertising claim there. But, yeah, this lawsuit is just stupid.

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205. "her punishment should be severe imo. "
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like, the judge gets to berate her, call her a stupid fucking cunt, grab her by her throat, and rapidly punch her five times in the mouth. full force.

sure, the punishment would be totally absurd, over the top, uncalled for, and a shotgun option when a spitball could handle the problem sufficiently, but then that's the point: so was this fucking lawsuit.

therefore, this punishment would be appropriate and should be carried out forthwith.

  

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206. "Someone should seriously take the lawyer to task"
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How does someone take this case? The woman's an idiot but the lawyer who took this case on should be brought in front of the bar to explain himself. It's stupid suits like this that clog the courts.

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196. "i don't get the Gosling thing"
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he seemed borderline special needs in this flick

Hendricks was fine as hell in this one, tho

  

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197. "Dude throws hot dog at Tiger Woods; blames the movie Drive (swipe)"
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incident video link:

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hollywoodreporter.com:

>Man Who Threw Hot Dog at Tiger Woods Blames Ryan Gosling Movie 'Drive'

5:28 PM PDT 10/12/2011 by Kimberly Nordyke

The man who threw a hot dog at Tiger Woods during a golf tournament over the weekend blames the whole incident on the Ryan Gosling movie Drive.

Brandon Kelly, a 31-year-old from Petaluma, Calif., on Sunday launched the mixed-meat product at Woods as he stepped onto the green at the Frys.com Open near San Jose, Calif.

He told the Santa Rosa Press Democrat that he got the idea after catching a screening of Drive, which hit theaters Sept. 16.

“I threw the hot dog toward Tiger Woods because I was inspired by the movie Drive," Kelly said. “As soon as the movie ended, I thought to myself, ‘I have to do something courageous and epic. I have to throw a hot dog on the green in front of Tiger.'”

The video of the incident, which made the rounds online, shows a man throwing a hot dog onto the green and then lying on the ground as security rushes out to him.

Kelly declined to elaborate further on the reasons behind his actions, but it's not clear exactly where he found his motivation. For the record, the movie -- which sees Gosling as an unnamed stunt driver by day who moonlights as getaway driver by night -- does not feature a hot dog. The story centers mostly on the Driver's relationship with Carey Mulligan's character and several gruesome casualties along his journey to protect her family from harm.

Meanwhile, Kelly added that he wasn't seeking fame from the incident and had instead hoped to remain anonymous.

Sheriff's officials said they arrested him on suspicion of disturbing the peace, but because that's a misdemeanor, he wasn't booked into jail.

The hot-dog incident comes on the heels of a Michigan woman filing a lawsuit against the film's distributor, FilmDistrict, over the movie's trailer, claiming that it did not reflect what was actually in the movie.

"Drive bore very little similarity to a chase, or race action film… having very little driving in the motion picture," Sarah Deming's lawsuit claims. "Drive was a motion picture that substantially contained extreme gratuitous defamatory dehumanizing racism directed against members of the Jewish faith, and thereby promoted criminal violence against members of the Jewish faith."

Deming is seeking a refund for her movie ticket, in addition to halting the production of "misleading movie trailers" in the future. The plaintiff reportedly intends to turn her individual case into a class action lawsuit, thereby allowing fellow moviegoers an opportunity to share in the settlement.

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That's simply mind-boggling. I don't even know where to begin.

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200. "This has to one of the quotes of the year"
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“As soon as the movie ended, I thought to myself, ‘I have to do something courageous and epic. I have to throw a hot dog on the green in front of Tiger.'”

I mean... again, I don't even know where to begin.
I guess we should just be thankful this nutjob didn't go all Hinckley/Taxi Driver.

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not a dull moment. i havent enjoyed a film this much in a while.

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mad that they offed Blanche so quickly, was hoping she would show a sneak peek of those sweater puppies....


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would watch again

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209. "gta bullshit..."
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..and i don't give a shit about anyone claiming "style" for the violence or cats who get off on cars

everything about this was sloppy. its like they tried to make gosling into dean/mcqueen.

every sequence was completely over the top and unbelievable. hell, if he was just gonna settle up and walk away, he could've left the fuckin' $$$ and left a msg where to find it. if he wants revenge, why allow yourself to get shanked???

yeah, this was basically grand theft auto brought to the big screen.


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even though I like the movie it really does remind me of both Driver and GTA, seriously, if they ever made GTA into a movie people would be saying, "they ripped off drive"

the soundtrack is a little different too, maybe the guy up a few posts is right, an action film for women, but the music is pretty good.

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211. "Saw this again. One of my favorites of the year."
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Bar none. So terrific, from beginning to end.

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..don't get me wrong, i know sometimes you have to suspend reality in order to enjoy a film, but this was too much

i found so much fault with this that it left no room for reconciliation.


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213. "Every decision makes sense within the world of the film."
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Even though it's stylized, I actually think this world is more realistic and recognizable than, say, any studio action film in the past decade, or most every romcom ever made. It's about quiet people who live by a code, people who contain a savage nature but go through life keeping it at bay, and when their world is threatened, they snap. This description not only goes for Gosling but for Brooks as well.

The script is succinct and economic, the acting subtle but intense (I'd argue they successfully made Gosling into Dean/McQueen), and the cinematography and music are top-drawer.

I was afraid it wouldn't play as well once the surprises had been spoiled by the first viewing. I was dead wrong. It plays even better, even more exciting, even more nuanced.

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214. "RE: Every decision makes sense within the world of the film."
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>The script is succinct and economic, the acting subtle but
>intense (I'd argue they successfully made Gosling into
>Dean/McQueen), and the cinematography and music are
>top-drawer.

Interesting. I personally found the music a bit overboard. I remember thinking it was so on-the-nose and bombastic that it distracted me. It kind of reminded me of a Tarantino-esque inside-joke but without the winking. I don't know if you caught the interview with Refn in Cinemascope (http://cinema-scope.com/wordpress/web-archive-2/issue-48/interview-nicolas-winding-refn-and-the-search-for-a-real-hero/) but the interviewer (who seemed to love the movie) found it necessary to challenge him on that one point.

I also remember thinking the cinematography was a little pedestrian in parts (and fantastic in others).

>I was afraid it wouldn't play as well once the surprises had
>been spoiled by the first viewing. I was dead wrong. It plays
>even better, even more exciting, even more nuanced.

I have a feeling I'll like it more on second viewing too. Ultimately, it was a movie that left me a little disappointed when I walked out the theater, mainly because my expectations were so high. I really need to see it again to put it in proper perspective. Currently its towards the bottom half of my top 15 or so this year...

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215. "the decisions do not fucking make sense."
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you can say anything you want, but if you say the decisions make sense they don't.

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216. "art for the sake of art is not enough..."
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..not when we pay for entertainment

this isn't a gallery exhibit, its a movie. this is why i had a hard time reconciling the terrible decisions made in the plot of this film.

and even though stark contradiction can often work in the realm of theater, this was bland.

the violence wasn't just over the top, it didn't sync. the music was cool, but felt like an arcade game (hence, the gta reference).

it doesn't even make sense to point out the plot holes, 'cause they went against the code of everything initially established from the start.

*and i would like to go on record and state that carey mulligan is either overrated or underachieving. she's been underwhelming in almost everything i've seen her in. yeah, she has the "unassuming girl next door" thing workin' for her, but that's about it.


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217. "I struggle to think of a single one that didn't."
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Maybe they didn't make sense to us, the logical observer, but the decisions those characters make have motivation behind them-- even if they are bad decisions, it's because the characters are acting impulsively without thinking, not because it's a random thoughtless choice.

I also don't think the director made any bad decisions. I like every single one.

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the "they make sense to the characters" is no explanation of anything. you can say anything made sense to a character.

the writer made the decision. it's bullshit when the walking dead does it, it's bullshit here.

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219. "Okay. Then you and I disagree."
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The big differences for me between The Walking Dead and here is that I cared about the characters (including the villain) and the plot had forward momentum. So characters making "bad decisions" like wearing a bloody jacket or whatever people are whining about didn't bother me nearly as much. *shrug*

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220. "ok, help me out here..."
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..irene's involvement with driver

while we all understand that she's been lonely, and more than likely crushing on her mysterious neighbor for a bit now, that still doesn't explain the stupidity.

yeah, her car broke down, and he's the guy that just happens to save the day, but c'mon.

she gets involved with him, knowin' the father of her child is due home in a few weeks?

how was that s'posed to work out?


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>while we all understand that she's been lonely, and more than
>likely crushing on her mysterious neighbor for a bit now, that
>still doesn't explain the stupidity.
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>yeah, her car broke down, and he's the guy that just happens
>to save the day, but c'mon.

They establish the crush, and they establish that she's drawn to his brand of quiet charm. Plus, he's good with the kid and that wins any woman's heart.

>she gets involved with him, knowin' the father of her child is
>due home in a few weeks?
>
>how was that s'posed to work out?

I believe the implication is that he gets out sooner than expected. She receives a phone call onscreen and her face changes, and in the next scene she brings up that Standard is getting out.

Even if you don't buy that and you think she knows the whole time, she's really not doing anything wrong other than getting assistance with her kid and a few odds and ends from a friendly neighbor-- although at first Standard has his doubts about Driver's intentions (with good reason-- he's been locked away and a quiet hunk has been in his apartment), after Driver offers to help him with his job, he invites him over for a family dinner and seems at ease with Driver hanging around his wife and kid.

I don't think Driver would have made the move with Standard around, nor would Irene. They would have existed as star-crossed neighbors, so to speak, had shit not gone south with Standard's robbery.

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222. "But she didn't know when the father was coming home"
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That's why it was sudden and she got that phone call about him coming home, which ended act 1 of the movie. From the way its sounds like he ended up in jail, and his need for protection while on the inside, she likely didn't even think he was coming home or at least anytime soon.

  

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223. "Haven't seen it again (yet) but I will say that the soundtrack has "
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wormed its way into my subconscious

For me, that was a part of the oddball appeal of this oddball movie when I saw it the first time

Very retro, very 80's to me, which is why I invoked Michael Mann's name

And after reading the linked article above, I found it interesting that this project originally started as a Fast-and-Furious type flick then changed when Gosling and Winding Refn came aboard... I also remember hearing interviews with Winding Refn where he referenced living with the writer and helping him reshape the story...

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227. "Great performance by Gos but probably garbage w/o him"
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I like Albert Brooks but saw nothing Oscar worthy from him here. Love Carey M as well but she's pretty much the same chic in Wall Street. Oscar Issac stood out more than anyone else sans Gos & that might've been due to Sucker Punch sucking so much. Cranst & Perl played their parts just fine. Would've liked to seen more from the kid to justify the craziness at the end but it's still pretty entertaining for the most part.

  

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231. "Bullitt is probably garbage w/o McQueen"
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yeah I said it.

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234. "Bullitt was garbage w/ McQueen"
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>yeah I said it too

  

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245. "LOL, fair enough. point still stands though"
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Gos got that star power.

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293. "NOW THIS HURTS ME"
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296. "Lol. Cause it's true?"
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229. "fuck yawl. on my top 10 of 2011."
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230. "Top 10? Seems a mortal lock for my Top 3."
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233. "Soundtrack saved this movie for me... "
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was real excited to see it... and it was cool... first 10-15 minutes drag like like crazy to me but it was dope after that... The music though was the key because those over the top, way too long, cartoonish close ups of faces wouldve been borderline unbearable if not for the catchy music bumpin... immediately added "nightcall" "under your spell" and "be your hero" to my ipod after watching

My biggest beef is Carey Mulligan... Brit's can NOT play American White Trash... shit, I liked Blake Lively in the Town better then this... I feel a more fitting actress could have taken this to another level... she wasn't bad at all, she just didnt fit... wikipedia says they originally wanted a Latina woman but changed it for Mulligan, bad move... Oscar Isaac killed it though

Lastly... Cranston just goes out that easy!!? You know they are coming for you dog! At least be ready to try and live...


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235. "THAT'S white trash to you? "
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237. "maybe I mean the character shouldve been more white trash"
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i don't know it just wasnt working for me

  

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236. "are you calling her white trash because he has a half mexicanbaby?"
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239. "L.A, this flick has a one-week-only return run at the Arclight Hollywood"
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241. "Saw this again here in L.A. Yeah, this movie is the shit."
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First of all, seeing it on a screen that isn't dim, like the one in Atlanta the first time I saw it, helps a GREAT deal, as does the sound system

And that soundtrack is fantastic. Not just the songs, but Cliff Martinez's score is dope.

It's a tough movie to nail down, that is, if you were trying to be "logical" and describe it. It's, at different times, a heist movie, a noir, a crime thriller, a travelogue, a western, a fairy tale, a superhero movie, a love letter to Los Angeles, and a complex love story. I can see how that would annoy people, but... the shit just came together and WORKED for me. Everything works, from Gosling's performance (where, interestingly enough, he barely blinked... no, seriously, in almost every shot he doesn't blink at all, with the exception of when he gets stabbed by Albert Brooks and we think he's dead), to Carey Mulligan just standing around and looking cute, to the action scenes (which were edited wonderfully), to the cinematography, to Albert Brooks, to Ron Perlman, to Bryan Cranston, to Christina Cakes... it all... just... works. Sorry if y'all didn't feel it.

BTW, I need to ask somebody this question. I might be tripping, but I think there was a scene cut from this rerelease. When I saw this back in September, I coulda swore there was a final scene of the Driver, having been stabbed in the abdomen, waiting at a red light. And when the light turns green, the car he's in doesn't move for a long beat, suggesting that the Driver is dead... but at the very last moment, the car pulls off. Well, when I saw the rerelease, that scene wasn't there. Am I tripping? If it existed, maybe it was cut to accomodate the fact that there will be another Drive novel from the book's author that's being released this year... hmm...

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243. "RE: Saw this again here in L.A. Yeah, this movie is the shit."
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>BTW, I need to ask somebody this question. I might be
>tripping, but I think there was a scene cut from this
>rerelease. When I saw this back in September, I coulda swore
>there was a final scene of the Driver, having been stabbed in
>the abdomen, waiting at a red light. And when the light turns
>green, the car he's in doesn't move for a long beat,
>suggesting that the Driver is dead... but at the very last
>moment, the car pulls off. Well, when I saw the rerelease,
>that scene wasn't there. Am I tripping? If it existed, maybe
>it was cut to accomodate the fact that there will be another
>Drive novel from the book's author that's being released this
>year... hmm...


I haven't seen it since the fall either, but I'm almost positive something like that in there.

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244. "Fam, I'm seriously tempted to call the Filmdistrict offices and ask"
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246. "where you see it in LA?"
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247. "Post 239. It's gone now."
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249. "Not sure if I remember it *exactly* that way."
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I know there's the very long wait in the car and the very long shot at the end where he's pretty still and you wonder a few times if he's fading away... what you say *sounds* familiar, but I'm not certain whether it was actually a red light or just the length of the shot making me feel like the car was still.

I saw it about four times in theaters... so I'd hope that I'd remember it if it did exist, lol.

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250. "From what I remember, there is no red light involved"
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its just him sitting in the car idle and barely breathing, silent. then he gasps. then the car takes off.

i could be wrong. i saw it twice in the summer in theatres but havent seen it since. so i should probably double check.

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259. "that scene was not there when I saw it in theaters, not there "
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on blu-ray

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251. "Y'all crazy with that "Perfect", "best crime films of my lifetime" talk"
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I wanted to check this movie out because of the talk about it being the best film of the year and all that and I thoroughly enjoyed the film. I dug and enjoyed the 80s style and sound track. The opening scene was incredible. A getaway sequence that involves very little high speed chase is an awesome idea and well executed.

But other than that I was left hanging. Not much good use of Christina Hendricks. Al Brooks was serviceable but I can't see all this oscar worthy performance talk. They had this haunting Imagery of RG with that prosthetic fake head but they did absolutely nothing with it. And not a knock to the movie but I have a personal dislike of that flat chested little boy Carey Mulligan.

Add me to the list of people who thought that it just all didn't come together well enough to be considered Great.



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252. "Licensed to Drive on Createan. "
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253. "What is "Licensed to Drive" ?"
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254. "One of the Coreys gems from the '80s"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095519/

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255. "I'm surprised there hasn't been a remake of it"
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The world could use a new version of the Coreys.

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256. "Cast it."
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>The world could use a new version of the Coreys.

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272. "Bieber and Jaden"
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Maybe even throw in a musical number (Adventures in Babysitting style) and that shit would print money.

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257. "oh, LICENSE to Drive"
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I thought there was a sequel from the past tense.

  

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258. "oh. "
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260. "Twilight for dudes"
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with a smidge of forrest gump
hipster style



yall are so damn romantic
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261. "Let's go with... no"
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You're not too good at this troll bait thing

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265. "it is what it is"
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fact that you think its trolling is hilarious

this is the same romantic claptrap in a diff package
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267. "Anything to argue, I suppose"
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*rereads definition of trolling*

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268. "that would be you in that case"
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i made a statement on a message board

its not even controversial

it just is what it is

some romantic dudes loving this movie
ala twilight
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273. "Your arms should really hurt from reaching so hard"
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And though quitting while you're ahead has never been your forte, now would be a good time to try it out

Because it's gone from bad to horrible within the span of 3 posts

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275. "and this is now 3 replies in"
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who is trolling who at this point?
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269. "funny you'd critisize an arguably over-stylized movie"
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by just saying a bunch of shit makes no sense... that you probably thought sounded good

>with a smidge of forrest gump
>hipster style

  

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270. "damn that really hurt your feelings"
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if you dont understand what i'm saying fine
just say so
jeez
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271. "yup. shattered them"
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>if you dont understand what i'm saying fine
>just say so
>jeez

lol i don't.

doubt you do either

sounded cool though, right?

  

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276. "aww poor you"
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this passive aggressive shit isn't the way to find out though

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292. "."
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277. "Instead of dismissing you, I'll ask for clarification."
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Because I don't see Twilight or Forrest Gump at all in this, I'm interested to discover what elements of those films you saw in Drive.

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279. "greetings frank!"
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>Because I don't see Twilight or Forrest Gump at all in this,
>I'm interested to discover what elements of those films you
>saw in Drive.


isn't the romance enough of a connection though?

but here some common romance tropes littered through out:
stoic chaste ethical bad boy hero
masochistic determination driven by love
unresolved sexual tension
love triangle

a separate but common indie romance note
indie unattainable pixie girl


frankly this is a romance flick disguised as a neo noir action 'someone above mentioned its a fairy tale
i have to agree
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282. "that's what I said."
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290. "the fairy tale thing?"
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okay
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284. "But what you described here isn't Twilight"
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>frankly this is a romance flick disguised as a neo noir action
>'someone above mentioned its a fairy tale


The Twilight saga does absolutely nothing to disguise what it is, which is a teen romance set in the world of vampires and werewolves

There's nothing "neo noir" about it, or hidden, which is what you're trying to imply

So, I guess we're back to

Let's go with... no?

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286. "I think that would be the "for dudes" part"
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>The Twilight saga does absolutely nothing to disguise what it
>is, which is a teen romance set in the world of vampires and
>werewolves
>
>There's nothing "neo noir" about it, or hidden, which is what
>you're trying to imply


I think her point is that they took Twilight and hid it in "neo noir" and hipstered it up for dudes. Still, at it's heart, it's a lackluster romance ala Twilight.

It's a stretch, for sure, but not necessarily the worst description I've heard.

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287. "Well, I'm going to need better examples than Twilight and Gump"
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Because the only thing both of those movies have in common with this one is that someone is in love with someone else

Oh, and that they were also adapted from books

But that's about it

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288. "Yeah, I didn't get the Gump reference at all. "
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289. "i'll admit thats the stretch"
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but the stoic male lead and the absolute determination in the face of ridiculous/needless odds
struck me as gump-like
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262. "avy"
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-30-
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263. "This movie was bullshit..."
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264. "Stylistically incredible, characterization shaky"
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This was a Sergio Leone/Clint Eastwood movie with cars. I doubt The Driver had more than 100 lines in the whole movie.

There were times when they styling was overdone. There was a shot near the end when The Driver is shown in his car, just staring out into space. That shot ran WAAAAYYYY too long, so long I thought it was a freeze frame or a glitch on my cable.

But overall, the mood setting, camera work and visual storytelling was more than enough to keep me engaged.

I enjoyed the movie a lot and look forward to anything else the director does.

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266. "in defense of that one shot (SPOILER)"
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> There was a
>shot near the end when The Driver is shown in his car, just
>staring out into space. That shot ran WAAAAYYYY too long, so
>long I thought it was a freeze frame or a glitch on my cable.

This played very differently in the theater. The shot builds tension as he sits there, staring glassy-eyed because at this point you're not sure if he's dead or alive. When he blinks, you realize he is still alive.

It's not a brilliant moment or anything, but it doesn't function purely as empty style either.


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274. "It played the same at home too"
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It's long on purpose to build suspense

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278. "I think it plays the same way at home."
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The average shot length is pretty damn long in the whole film. I don't think it comes out of the blue at all.

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281. "The long wait also in the final shot that I'm still mad was cut"
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Jeff Goldsmith mentioned it in his Q & A with Refn back when the movie was first released

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280. "yep"
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>
>> There was a
>>shot near the end when The Driver is shown in his car, just
>>staring out into space. That shot ran WAAAAYYYY too long, so
>>long I thought it was a freeze frame or a glitch on my
>cable.
>
>This played very differently in the theater. The shot builds
>tension as he sits there, staring glassy-eyed because at this
>point you're not sure if he's dead or alive. When he blinks,
>you realize he is still alive.
>
>It's not a brilliant moment or anything, but it doesn't
>function purely as empty style either.



pretty blatant ploy though which leans more towards the empty style

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283. "Basic ploys don't necessarily mean empty style"
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A basic ploy is a shopworn trick to get across a certain emotion or build tension.

Empty style is edits and camera tricks with no point (see most of Tony Scott's films)

I didn't like Drive but I thought that shot, original as it may not be, still accomplished its goal, to have people wondering if Driver lived or died. I wouldn't call it empty style. If anything was empty style, I'd say the graphic violence in the hotel room is an example of that; not sure what it added to the film. Gosling going over the edge had a point; that scene's graphic nature didn't. (To me, at least.)

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291. "you're an education thanks =)"
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>A basic ploy is a shopworn trick to get across a certain
>emotion or build tension.
>
>Empty style is edits and camera tricks with no point (see most
>of Tony Scott's films)
>
>I didn't like Drive but I thought that shot, original as it
>may not be, still accomplished its goal, to have people
>wondering if Driver lived or died. I wouldn't call it empty
>style. If anything was empty style, I'd say the graphic
>violence in the hotel room is an example of that; not sure
>what it added to the film. Gosling going over the edge had a
>point; that scene's graphic nature didn't. (To me, at least.)



i was going by strict definition
a devised or contrived strategy
which to me when you devise or contrive something like that scene it tends to be for style points rather than moving the plot
but you tell me

conversely i did like drive not love
i notice there are alot of strong opinions for or against mine isnt high up there frankly
i started out middling and i'm leaning towards like
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285. "For the record, my theatre audibly GASPED at *that* scene"
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like no one in the theatre was breathing for that 15 seconds of silence. then when he moves, there was seriously a loud ass gasp and then people started laughing in an embarrassed fashion.

it was one of the great theatre-going moments ive ever experienced. everyone was just in sync for that movie (thankfully the people that hated the movie had already walked out 30 minutes earlier)

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295. "The third time I saw it, the wife saw it for the first time"
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and she was *whimpering* thinking he was dead, then yelling at him to wake up, then cheering when he blinked.
That's a fairly powerful bit of investment and tension to milk out of a character that didn't really give much to invest in.


All the more reason that it's criminal how few technical noms this film got; Editing and Cinematography were pretty amazing compared to the "eh" noms of War Horse or whatever.

  

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294. "Thought it was pretty good"
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There will probably be spoilers in here.

I thought the performances were all very good, the music worked well, cinematography was wonderful and the style the director chose was excellent. It seemed very 80s, from the title font and the music to the driver's satin jacket. Very unifying.

However, the plot was pretty thin, just stereotypical heist/crime movie stuff. Oh, here at the beginning we meet some gangsters and at the end, oh, turns out they're the bad guys. A real curveball there.

Also, the way the driver went from cool, composed loner to out-of-control woman defender so quickly seemed a little thin to me. He definitely seemed a bit psychopathic. All a woman has to do is make him smile a few times (I definitely think it's possible that he had never smiled before in his life before he met her) and he'll kill all sorts of professional killers to protect her?

Their relationship just didn't seem to be developed enough for me to buy it as the motivating factor, and whether you think he enjoyed all the violence or was just doing what needed to be done, protecting the two of them was definitely the motivating factor.

But again, very enjoyable and I will check for the director's other work.

For the record, my wife, who really wanted to see the movie, didn't like it at all. Said it was "weird" and made a shuddering "bhlurlh" type sound. So there's that.

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300. "But you couldn't front on Ryan's facial expression "
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when he turned around in that elevator after monkey stomping that dude's face to death...lol, that stuff was crazy inense!
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297. "Just saw it last night, loved it."
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First off, the fact that Cliff Martinez didn't get a Best Score nom boggles my mind- the way the synths heightened drama throughout the film was absolutely spot on. It gave the film a sense of place much in the way that the Midnight in Paris score did. Then again, John Williams conducts two scores in a year, and I guess you're pretty well fucked nomination-wise.

Second, there is NO wasted motion in the directing and editing of the film. There are a fair few directors who would do well to watch this movie to learn how to establish characters and stakes, so that the rest of the film's action means something to the viewer.

Third, there wasn't a bad performance in the film. Everybody knocked it out of the park. Gosling was absolutely exceptional, Brooks was equal parts menacing and welcoming (I don't think there has been a better line reading than "Don't worry. It's done." If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about). Carey Mulligan did more with a few facial expressions than most actresses do with monologues.

With all of that said, I understand why it received no recognition from the Academy. It was marketed poorly- focusing solely on the action does the picture a great disservice- which harmed its commercial appeal. And, ultimately, while a few gunshot deaths are fine for Academy voters, heads literally exploding are not. Which is a shame, because this is one of the best made pictures I've seen in quite some time.

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301. "ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME"
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we can have differing opinions, but at some point you're just making shit up.

>>Second, there is NO wasted motion in the directing and editing of the film. There are a fair few directors who would do well to watch this movie to learn how to establish characters and stakes, so that the rest of the film's action means something to the viewer.

ESTABLISH CHARACTERS AND STAKES

explain what's been established about the driver. what his stakes are.

he has zero. the only character in the entire movie with anything at stake is Standard.

that's it.

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302. "RE: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME"
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His stake is his independence. His life. His availability. It's like he told Cranson's character, " we can never come back here", which is why he wanted to bash his head in for telling Bernie.

Bernie and Nino both had a lot at stake, because they were jews, and they had more at stake then standard. He was just a fucking pawn...

Jesus. The american audience is just a sea of mire when it comes to watching films. They have to be told what they are watching before they watch something.

Fuck character establishment, especially with this film.. The protagonist, as far as who he is or who he was is not the importance. It's his actions...His drive, physically and emotionally, is what the movie is about. His tolerance. His intolerance. In all actuality, everything was a thrill for him.Not once did he hesitate. ...It was a drive.

The film was great, and gosling is the second coming of brando. He is just that fucking good.

  

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303. "are you a fucking drug addict?"
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>His stake is his independence. His life. His availability.
>It's like he told Cranson's character, " we can never come
>back here", which is why he wanted to bash his head in for
>telling Bernie.

availability to do...what

he didn't have any hobbies. he had no dream. he had no aspiration. he worked a shitty job, a more exciting side job, and a way more exciting illegal hustle, and yet he didn't have any money or fun. why did he do any these things?

>
>Bernie and Nino both had a lot at stake, because they were
>jews, and they had more at stake then standard. He was just a
>fucking pawn...

...

>
>Jesus. The american audience is just a sea of mire when it
>comes to watching films. They have to be told what they are
>watching before they watch something.


>
>Fuck character establishment, especially with this film.. The
>protagonist, as far as who he is or who he was is not the
>importance. It's his actions...His drive, physically and
>emotionally, is what the movie is about. His tolerance. His
>intolerance. In all actuality, everything was a thrill for
>him.Not once did he hesitate. ...It was a drive.

LOL. tell yourself this crock of shit ten more times and maybe you'll believe it. he didn't have a drive for anything, and he hesitated constantly. don't fucking lie about what happened in the movie.

>
>The film was great, and gosling is the second coming of
>brando. He is just that fucking good.


ok wait, is this satire? if so, you totally had me going.

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305. "RE: are you a fucking drug addict?"
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Why do I have to be a Drug Addict?

He was a mechanic and an automobile builder, and he was a stuntman, and he was a professional get-away driver.


What the fuck does that tell you?

He was a thrill-seeker, a person who loved the drive, and loved being on the edge to a certain extent, but he was also a wholesome human being, which is why he decided to help the husband.

You think he was a get-away driver because he needed the money or because he was broke? ..No..He loved the action of it, the chase, the rush of driving a car and being creative with it, which is why he was an independent driver....

Also, he was going to race cars for cranson....

Dude, don't you get it? Everything he did revolved around him being in a car or around a car..That his who he was. Nothing else needed to be identified.

He was a driver, and he was damn good at it. Everything else was second servings, even the woman, which is why he didn't get her at the end.....and what did he do at the end?...He DROVE off.

He started the movie driving, and he ended the moving driving.

DRIVE!..He was a drive.


  

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307. "LOL"
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yall will make up any god damn thing to justify this shit.

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306. "I'm telling you, watch Ides of March as if it is the prequel to Drive"
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Both movies will be better off for it.

(Well, you just have to add one little bit to the end of IoM but it will give you the backstory you want.)

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304. "No, I'm quite serious."
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>he has zero. the only character in the entire movie with
>anything at stake is Standard.

Au contraire. Bernie has his livelihood, and his ability to go back into legitimate business via racing ("I was really looking forward to having my name on a car"), at stake from Nino's fuckup.

Nino has his reputation as a capo at stake.

Shannon has his interest in the Driver and potential future career as a big-shit racing mechanic at stake.

and the Driver ultimately has the same thing at stake that Standard does, though they both threaten each other's interest in Irene and Benicio. Those two are the only things that CAN distract him from his other motivation, which is to provide himself with opportunities to be behind the wheel of a car ("I don't get involved. I drive.").

Irene has the safety of her child at stake, as well as her own loneliness- it's why she takes to the Driver in the first place, because of his seeming protectiveness (it's also why she goes back to check on him as well, because she always senses Standard's motivations to be selfish, while the Driver's seem to her to ultimately protective).

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299. "just rewatched this last night from december."
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I'm convinced the Driver is special needs or something. Those weird forced smiles at ol' girl and the kid just seemed like he was thinking "PUDDING!!!" or something.

Ryan Gosling annoys the living fuck outta me generally, but he was a bad choice for this role, in particular. The attempt at stoic cool doesn't work with someone as clean-cut/babyfaced as he is. And the fact that there wasn't much in the script to make him a person, or identifiable, and yeah, the movie suffers heavily as a result.

Oddly enough, the most sympathetic characters in the movie for me were Albert Brooks, and Standard. Everybody else was kind of an idiot.

  

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308. "just acquired this soundtrack. gonna Netflix this for a second view"
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loved it tho. the deaths are some of the most jaw-dropping, look over at whoever you're watching with and basically yell holy shit. cant wait to see it again. this is superfluous as hell but i live in LA now so hope i peep some spots.

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309. "I've had the DVD at my place for over a month, decided to watch it"
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It has its flaws, but I didn't give a shit about any of them because the movie is completely badass. It's really as simple as that. The movie isn't that deep, but it's successful at building a rooting interest in Gosling getting back at these scumbags. I love movies with scumbags in them that are well done and well acted.

  

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310. "Whats the song playing during Standard's welcome home party?"
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311. "A Real Hero by College & electric Youth"
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I've got a spotify playlist

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the first three are the songs from the movie, the next three are just similar

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312. "I don't think A Real Hero played during the welcome home scene"
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I've pinpointed Nightcall and A Real Hero, now I'm trying to get the rest of the tracks that I liked identified. I could be wrong about that scene I guess, but I'm 90% sure it was a different song.

  

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313. "Desire -- Under Your Spell"
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I knew before, but that's literally the first link when you type your question into Google...

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314. "props"
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315. "Didn't like it."
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His random snap in the diner kinda weirded me out throughout the whole movie. Plus the awkwardness/quietness.

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316. "FYI, this is on Netflix streaming now"
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318. "I'm watching this movie for the 3rd time this week, and super conflicted"
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it's an EXTREMELY visceral experience, and that scene I was blown away by all those months ago in one of the first posts in this thread still holds up four viewings later (especially how rapidly and decisively it ends).

but a large part of me comes away from this movie feeling like, ultimately, I was watching a parody film. The transparency of everyone involved, the music video-like sequences, the soundtrack in general, all of it feels like a very specific nod to 80s noir. But at the same time it's this very self-serious, opaque art film that pulls as many punches as it throws, so that feeling of parody comes and goes throughout the film. I found myself laughing as often as I was cringing, and I feel like that wasn't the point.

Overall, this wasn't the movie I wanted. But I'm more than fine with the movie I got. It's very entertaining on a physical level, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't mostly emotionally flat. I don't feel for these characters at all, they feel like caricatures. The villains never scared me, the hero never felt like a guy to root for, the problem never seemed as big as it was made to be.

Mostly, I just wanted a lot more scenes like the opening set. So I'm disappointed by result of anticipation. The rest was what it was and I can see why someone might feel otherwise.

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319. "watched it on instant watch and wow not that great"
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it looked cool and the violence was pretty fantastic. But you expect me to believe he is going to do all that for some chick he barely knew? Not only was she the most average white girl ever. I bet they look for her for 3 days tops (c). But this guy that is so meticulous about his side work is going to risk everything for this girl he barely has a relationship with? No I dont believe it. Not to mention the soundtrack was very hit or miss. I dug the synth vibe but some of those songs were just bad. 3 out of 5 stars.

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