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>my main frustration with the discussion in this thread - and
>with people who inexplicably like this garbage-ass franchise -
>is the general lowering of expectations.
why, exactly?
>"it's Transformers, what'd you expect?" fuck you.
it's really not a big deal.
>action movies can have BOTH bad-ass set pieces AND coherent
>narratives.
right, they *can* be. this franchise isn't that. nobody, i mean NOBODY, in this thread is saying otherwise.
see: True Lies, Terminator 2, Die Hard, Dark
>Knight, Jurassic Park, Robocop, The Matrix, Aliens, Indiana
>Jones, Lethal Weapon, Speed, Iron Man, 300, Predator, The
>Incredibles, The Fugitive, Inception, the first Pirates movie,
>etc.
>some of those aren't even great movies, but they're AT LEAST
>COHERENT.
right, they are.
>there's a clear objective. characters' actions
>affect how that objective is met. dialogue propels the
>narrative forward. it's storytelling 101.
right, and nobody is arguing this.
>"i just like to see shit blow up." fuck you.
no, fuck yourself. you're the one with the problem.
>why can't we have 'splosions AND characters/stories we care
>about? WHY? not one of you assbagels have answered this.
we can and nobody said we can't
>why? because Michael Bay is a horrible person.
i dunno about that, he's an amazing talent in a very limited regard. what he does well, he does really well. the rest tends to suck.
>it's not just that he's terrible at basic storytelling (he
>is).
right, he is, and nobody in here disagrees.
>it's also that he has terrible taste.
right, and nobody said otherwise.
he must think all
>those interminable "comedic" moments are actually
>funny...
right, and even people who enjoy the movies as a whole, (except for the fallen) like myself, acknowledge this.
>but they are OBJECTIVELY unfunny, ugly and usually have
>no impact on any aspect of the narrative.
right, and guess what? NOBODY DISAGREES.
they're just
>disconnected filler in a movie that's already 45 minutes too
>long.
right. and people largely pan these elements. i don't get what your beef is so far.
>he also must think the insanely overcomplicated designs of the
>Transformers are better because there's more shit on the
>screen.
right, and even people who enjoy the movies say this.
problem is, when you throw two piles of scrap metal
>together, it looks like a pile of shiny shit.
nowhere near that bad actually. hyperbole right here.
if they had
>shown some restraint on the character designs and stayed truer
>to the toys/cartoon, you'd be able to visually differentiate
>between characters instantly...even in silhouette.
right. agreed. nobody really disagrees with this.
which
>would work infinitely better with Bay's ADD editing style. as
>it is, every character literally looks the same,
the decepticons, yes. autobots, no.
>when in motion. it's a god damn mess. when you HAVE to
>resort to super slow-mo to make your action scenes
>understandable, there's a fucking problem.
yeah, and.... this is something nobody really disagrees with.
>if you want to sit in a theater and get eye-raped by
>explosions for three hours, you're retarded.
yeah, it's not that bad at all actually. more hyperbole.
>that in a flippant, colloquial way. i mean, there are many
>levels of retardation and you may be at least mildly affected.
lol. you're so over the top here i can't even take you seriously any longer.
> that shit's not normal, man. i'm fucking serious...the 47th
>time one pile of shiny shit punches the other pile of shiny
>shit and they 'splode real good, what the fuck are you getting
>out of it? they would've used this to test for future
>psychopaths a couple decades ago.
why, oh WHY, are you so furious with people who liked this movie?
you're actually angry here, tangibly so. the more accurate indicator of a psychopath in here is the guy who is passionately callng people retards for liking a movie he doesn't. in other words, you.
>bottom line...we have to expect more.
you just worry about yourself and your own smug sense of what constitutes good taste. we would like better, but this is what we got, and two of the three movies manage to be pretty good as a whole in spite of themselves.
you assholes are
>rewarding a lazy, arrogant filmmaker for creating overly-loud,
>overly-long, ugly, lifeless garbage.
it's nowhere near that level of bad.
cuz i'm DYING for a good Transformers movie.
> bring on the reboot (please).
i'm dying for a better one, definitely, and hope for a reboot sooner rather than later. but this one was very enjoyable once the action got going. at the end of the day, you're way too amped over this. like waaaaaaaaay too amped. -Sig-
“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"
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