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"The Civil War Post *Infinite Spoilers*"
Thu May-04-06 02:09 PM by Invisiblist

Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW post would last.

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
Issue one, foist impressions	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	1
RE: Issue one, foist impressions	Gemini_Two_One	May 04th 2006	2
Homo Sentry spoiler	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	9
RE: Homo Sentry spoiler	Brother_Afron	May 04th 2006	15
lotsa the Sentry stuff is jacked, but	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	16
RE: lotsa the Sentry stuff is jacked, but	Brother_Afron	May 04th 2006	20
was it on of those girlfriend kisses, tho?	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	23
Yup	Brother_Afron	May 04th 2006	25
SPOILER The Union wins.	Frank Longo	May 04th 2006	3
US Grant was a gangsta	Ceej	May 04th 2006	5
Nat Green: no slouch in the hustle department either	magilla vanilla	May 05th 2006	39
^^^ gets comic news from confedarama.com	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	10
tony stark is a dick	duD	May 04th 2006	4
Ellis had him behead a dude	DrNO	May 04th 2006	8
Captain Marvel died of cancer, doggie.	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	11
folks need to read the Brubaker series	DrNO	May 04th 2006	13
naw, man. iron man.	duD	May 04th 2006	27
read your reply again, dummy.	Invisiblist	May 06th 2006	42
ha ha. word.	duD	May 10th 2006	53
I thought it was great	DrNO	May 04th 2006	6
RE: I thought it was great	Brother_Afron	May 04th 2006	7
The first issue was pretty damn good to me.	phenompyrus	May 04th 2006	12
he rode a fucking jet man	DrNO	May 04th 2006	14
Exactly but Cap lashing out is nothing new.	JRennolds	May 04th 2006	17
Cap's kept it real for at least 30 years	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	22
Bendis catches L at local comic shop.	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	18
My only complaint about CW #1	KneelB4Me	May 04th 2006	19
if it was written your way the point	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	24
So They Finally Passed the Mutant Registration Act	Brooklynbeef	May 04th 2006	21
No, the act hasn't been passed yet.	Invisiblist	May 04th 2006	26
But They Don't Hate em	Brooklynbeef	May 11th 2006	58
they ain't too crazy about Johnny Storm right now	buckshot defunct	May 11th 2006	59
What took em so long?	Brooklynbeef	May 12th 2006	60
continuity sore?	buckshot defunct	May 12th 2006	61
Yea somebody gave Johnny the Jigga	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 14th 2006	63
RE: So They Finally Passed the Mutant Registration Act	Unity777	May 05th 2006	28
So Cap	Unity777	May 05th 2006	29
what aspect makes you say that?	Invisiblist	May 05th 2006	30
RE: what aspect makes you say that?	Unity777	May 05th 2006	36
Nah, Ultimate Cap is basically a fascist	mrhood75	May 05th 2006	31
JRennolds brought this up in CotW	Invisiblist	May 05th 2006	32
RE: JRennolds brought this up in CotW	Unity777	May 05th 2006	35
it's not Bullseye.	Invisiblist	May 05th 2006	37
It's Clint Barton!	JRennolds	May 05th 2006	38
Shhhhhhhhhh. Fuck this!	JRennolds	Jun 15th 2006	73
Now that is a great fuckin idea.	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	74
here's my ? about that DD appearance	buckshot defunct	May 10th 2006	55
you're missing something though,	Invisiblist	May 11th 2006	56
ehhhh	buckshot defunct	May 11th 2006	57
Uh, why was Peter taking pictures at the funeral?	Invisiblist	May 05th 2006	33
RE: Uh, why was Peter taking pictures at the funeral?	Unity777	May 05th 2006	34
^^ all of this is part of the problem	Calico	May 06th 2006	40
So, Thor's supposed to show up, right?	Invisiblist	May 06th 2006	41
Reclaim his hammer....and uh,	Scarface_7	May 06th 2006	43
When did Doom fins Mjolnir?	Invisiblist	May 07th 2006	44
RE: When did Doom fins Mjolnir?	Brother_Afron	May 07th 2006	45
where was it, and why didn't he try and snag it?	Invisiblist	May 08th 2006	50
RE: where was it, and why didn't he try and snag it?	Brother_Afron	May 08th 2006	51
Shouldn't they have known though?	Coatesvillain	Jun 17th 2006	99
I feel you on that	Brother_Afron	Jun 17th 2006	101
Fuck this for one reason, and one reason only....	CaptNish	May 08th 2006	46
Speedball survived..	Coatesvillain	Jun 16th 2006	97
here's my question...	slymata2	May 08th 2006	47
this reply is your notification	Invisiblist	May 08th 2006	49
synopsis please....	Darryl_Licke	May 08th 2006	48
sorry I'm late!	buckshot defunct	May 10th 2006	52
I'm kinda in the same boat you are.	Invisiblist	May 10th 2006	54
CIVIL WAR #2	Invisiblist	Jun 14th 2006	62
It's gotta.	CaptNish	Jun 14th 2006	64
McNiven KNOWS HOW TO DRAW ASSES	Invisiblist	Jun 14th 2006	67
Okay, bear with me here. Civil War #2 >>>> Nextwave #5	JRennolds	Jun 14th 2006	70
Shit	spades	Jun 14th 2006	65
I'm'a wait for the eventual trade paperback	MrSpock	Jun 14th 2006	66
Speedball aint dead..DONT READ SPOILERS*	Kira	Jun 14th 2006	68
giant spoiler	soundsop	Jun 14th 2006	69
that was reply three, man. come on.	duD	Jun 14th 2006	71
i didn't read the post once i found out it was about comic books	soundsop	Jun 15th 2006	87
Spidey's Friends & Family LOST.	KnowOne	Jun 14th 2006	72
Reminder: Spoiler alerts are not necessary	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	75
About Spidey's reveal:	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	76
I think Pete's a spy for Cap's side	lonesome_d	Jun 15th 2006	77
Nah. He wouldn't play that role.	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	78
The old Peter wouldn't have	lonesome_d	Jun 15th 2006	80
I will not look at future covers. However,	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	82
I think Tony Starks is controlling minds.	JRennolds	Jun 15th 2006	90
Peter is going to be PISSED at Stark...	Marbles	Jun 15th 2006	79
Cap's Brigade looks a bit skimpy...	Marbles	Jun 15th 2006	81
Yeah, but they got Nick Fury.	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	83
You forgot about Cable	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 15th 2006	89
That's the Champions, ain't it?	DarkStar	Jun 29th 2006	127
Things to keep in mind (speculations)	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	84
Good points...	Marbles	Jun 15th 2006	85
Scarlet Witch is still living	BigBiz	Jun 19th 2006	109
RE: Things to keep in mind (speculations)	JRennolds	Jun 15th 2006	91
Uh...wait.....SPIDER-MAN'S GOT WARRANTS!	Invisiblist	Jun 15th 2006	86
on top of that, now everybody's gonna want to borrow money	buckshot defunct	Jun 15th 2006	88
The editor speaks. Spoilers!!	JRennolds	Jun 15th 2006	92
So the Punisher is going to be pro registration act	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 16th 2006	93
hmmm...does this law even apply to him?	buckshot defunct	Jun 16th 2006	94
Techincally, then how does it "apply" to Daredevil?	mrhood75	Jun 16th 2006	95
well there's the whole 'heightened senses' thing	buckshot defunct	Jun 16th 2006	96
Check Wiki	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 17th 2006	98
There's a SHIELD file on DD.	Invisiblist	Jun 19th 2006	105
Given Franky don't have powers	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 19th 2006	117
Wolvie ain't free to roam any more than	Invisiblist	Jun 19th 2006	119
Allow me to amend my spoiler comment	Invisiblist	Jun 17th 2006	102
Noted	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 17th 2006	103
On the Cap note	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 17th 2006	100
Aight, I got a guess as to whats gonna happen here...	phenompyrus	Jun 17th 2006	104
I predict Peter will switch sides	buckshot defunct	Jun 19th 2006	106
joey q has said	Invisiblist	Jun 19th 2006	110
I agree with you, but...	phenompyrus	Jun 19th 2006	114
I doubt MJ bites it	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 19th 2006	116
Hmmm.....HOM......	Invisiblist	Jun 19th 2006	120
Aunt May bites the big one	JiggysMyDayJob	Jun 20th 2006	123
I hope Pete does switch sides...	spades	Jun 19th 2006	107
can I point something out?	buckshot defunct	Jun 19th 2006	108
RE: can I point something out?	spades	Jun 19th 2006	121
the whole spidey reveal is out of chareter	Dreadmedia	Jun 19th 2006	111
a Newsarama excerpt:	buckshot defunct	Jun 19th 2006	112
Mr. David's take is closest to mine. Also	Invisiblist	Jun 19th 2006	113
Same here	buckshot defunct	Jun 19th 2006	115
but none of them backed the decision, doggie.	Invisiblist	Jun 19th 2006	118
So I picked up 1 and 2 yesterday and read them	dr invisible	Jun 20th 2006	122
RE: So I picked up 1 and 2 yesterday and read them	spades	Jun 20th 2006	124
Nobody recognizes the new one yet.	Invisiblist	Jun 21st 2006	125
RE: Nobody recognizes the new one yet.	Brother Grifter	Jun 29th 2006	126
New Avengers #21	JRennolds	Jun 30th 2006	128
The Amazing Spider-Man #533	JRennolds	Jun 30th 2006	129
<----needs to be spoiled	Kira	Jun 30th 2006	130
Among other things, it foreshadows a throwdown between:	JRennolds	Jul 01st 2006	132
I was surprised to see Sue and Ben up in the squad	buckshot defunct	Jul 05th 2006	140
tony needs to turn heel or something	Effa	Jun 30th 2006	131
FF and X-Factor	JRennolds	Jul 01st 2006	133
FF really surprised me. Best tie-in so far.	Invisiblist	Jul 02nd 2006	134
i never considered what side thor would be on...interesting.	Blinky_Blinx	Jul 02nd 2006	135
scarlett witch comes back and says "no more registrations"	Effa	Jul 02nd 2006	137
I can't see Thor giving much of a fuck either way	buckshot defunct	Jul 05th 2006	141
Civil war sucks as a concept for one very simple reason	Stryfe	Jul 02nd 2006	136
im still kinda new to the whole comic thing, so im not familiar...	Blinky_Blinx	Jul 02nd 2006	138
by some strange coincedence	Stryfe	Jul 03rd 2006	139
I don't think that's very accurate...	Marbles	Jul 05th 2006	144
i understand	Stryfe	Jul 05th 2006	145
I agree 100%	Marbles	Jul 06th 2006	154
no bodies have been found	Stryfe	Jul 07th 2006	157
How will the mutants chime in?	Brooklynbeef	Jul 05th 2006	142
with the power of song	buckshot defunct	Jul 05th 2006	143
Am I the only dude on Stark's side?	JRennolds	Jul 05th 2006	146
Probably	Brother_Afron	Jul 06th 2006	147
RE: Probably	JRennolds	Jul 06th 2006	148
RE: Probably	Brother_Afron	Jul 06th 2006	149
Okay, they'd train the young guns.	JRennolds	Jul 06th 2006	155
in other words	Stryfe	Jul 07th 2006	158
Same way Xavier trains the X-Men	KneelB4Me	Jul 06th 2006	151
RE: Same way Xavier trains the X-Men	Brother_Afron	Jul 06th 2006	153
Most likely...	Marbles	Jul 06th 2006	156
Captain Nazi^	DrNO	Jul 14th 2006	161
^^Corporal Ignorant.	JRennolds	Jul 16th 2006	166
i have not seen one convincing argument for stark's side	Calico	Jul 16th 2006	164
^^^^republican	Effa	Jul 17th 2006	167
^^^^Hippy	JRennolds	Jul 18th 2006	170
Dr. Strange	Brooklynbeef	Jul 06th 2006	150
The New Avengers Artist	Brooklynbeef	Jul 06th 2006	152
Frontline #3	Invisiblist	Jul 14th 2006	159
Ionno about this one	KneelB4Me	Jul 14th 2006	160
Why is he in jail with adults anyway?	son_of_mr_hankey	Jul 18th 2006	169
<----------needs to be spoiled	Kira	Jul 14th 2006	162
RE: <----------needs to be spoiled	Stryfe	Jul 16th 2006	163
UATU balks at you and throws bricks at your dome.	Uatu The Watcher	Jul 16th 2006	165
i love aliases but its so obvious this is Jreezy	Effa	Jul 17th 2006	168
Civil War #3	Invisiblist	Jul 20th 2006	171
Thor	Brooklynbeef	Jul 20th 2006	174
Emma Frost gets around	Brooklynbeef	Jul 20th 2006	176
They weren't dating...	KwesiAkoKennedy	Jul 20th 2006	177
Commander Hill = S.H.I.E.L.D = the woman that gave Thor his cue.	Invisiblist	Jul 20th 2006	179
Civil War X-men #1	Invisiblist	Jul 20th 2006	180
YES, THOR RIDES WITH STARKS!	JRennolds	Jul 20th 2006	181
I doubt it's that simple. Nobody thought Thor was gonna roll with reg.	Invisiblist	Jul 20th 2006	183
The Sentry vs. Thor	Brooklynbeef	Jul 21st 2006	192
actually, Sentry is golden boy. Golden Man, if you ask Hulk.	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	194
OH SNAP! A DAREDEVIL GLITCH?	JRennolds	Jul 20th 2006	182
I don't think 'he' is fooling anybody	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	186
Cap's very familiar with Matt's real face in person.	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	195
'zaktlee	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	196
Wait, so they're in on it too? I'm confused.	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	199
everybody knows Matt Murdock is in jail	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	200
Yo, Nick! Holla at an insurgent.	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	202
here's what i figure...	Calico	Jul 21st 2006	217
Look y'all, I'm pretty sure THAT Daredevil is Matt Murdock	mrhood75	Jul 22nd 2006	222
FOREST FIRES OF WAR!!!!!!!! (SPOILERS)	JRennolds	Jul 20th 2006	172
the energy in #3 was really reminding me of the Ultimates	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	188
What I hope Marvel won't do...	phenompyrus	Jul 20th 2006	173
Not like Marvel would ever cop to it	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	191
#3 just now?	spades	Jul 20th 2006	175
how in the hell are you gonna complain about monthly?	Invisiblist	Jul 20th 2006	178
Is anybody shocked by Bishop's choice?	KneelB4Me	Jul 20th 2006	184
Like you said, it fits into his character	mrhood75	Jul 22nd 2006	223
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Cap's ethering of Spider-Man?	Marbles	Jul 21st 2006	185
only MJ WANTED Pete to unmask	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	187
Cap defense inserted inside this post...	Marbles	Jul 21st 2006	189
in war, everyone's an asshole	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	190
since Nixon was prez,	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	198
hold up,	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	197
this is what I get for seeing both sides of the argument!!	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	203
^^^Exactly! Cap is just wilding for the Hell of it!!!	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	205
Not true. I can see both sides. I'm about 50/50 right now.	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	207
I hear you man	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	213
then they are not "superheroes," simple as that...	Nels	Jul 21st 2006	218
take that shit to activist!!!	buckshot defunct	Jul 22nd 2006	229
tony wasn't after a peaceful agreement-	shockzilla	Jul 21st 2006	204
look at it this way, man... you can't fight city hall	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	206
^^Sees the light.	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	208
You should take that motherfucking Boots Riley avy down NOW.	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	209
Reality: The government CAN fuck you!	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	211
so it's better to just suck the rapist's dick instead of getting an ass ...	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	214
LOL!!! You get so heated over these comics, buddy.	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	215
war is hell, son.	shockzilla	Jul 21st 2006	219
but neither of our recent arguments have been comics arguments.	Invisiblist	Jul 22nd 2006	226
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!	JRennolds	Jul 22nd 2006	228
RE: ARGH!!!!!!!!!!	Brother_Afron	Jul 22nd 2006	230
i don't agree	shockzilla	Jul 22nd 2006	236
and you're crackin jokes about Lebanon?	DrNO	Jul 21st 2006	216
What of it? It doesn't change the fact that dude is a...	JRennolds	Jul 22nd 2006	224
EDIT: What do you guys do to fuck the system?	JRennolds	Jul 22nd 2006	225
yeah, fuck those women and kids in Lebanon!	DrNO	Jul 22nd 2006	232
Fuck Hezbollah for putting them in harm's way.	JRennolds	Jul 22nd 2006	235
how do you feel about nelson mandela?	shockzilla	Jul 22nd 2006	237
Hear.	JRennolds	Jul 23rd 2006	245
they can't disarm Hezbollah this way	DrNO	Jul 22nd 2006	241
Here.	JRennolds	Jul 23rd 2006	244
this just seems appropriate- the muthafuckin' D	shockzilla	Jul 21st 2006	220
^^sleeps with a copy of the Patriot Act under his pillow^^	buckshot defunct	Jul 21st 2006	210
"The night is mine, again"- An alias	JRennolds	Jul 21st 2006	212
So basically civil liberties mean shit to you	MrMajor	Aug 04th 2006	300
Hear me out.	JRennolds	Aug 04th 2006	301
Wolverine was in CW #1, and has had two solo CW issues since.	Invisiblist	Jul 21st 2006	193
RE: Why hasn't anyone mentioned Cap's ethering of Spider-Man?	DrNO	Jul 21st 2006	201
Couple things about #3	Calico	Jul 21st 2006	221
the Spidey situation is there to exemplify the classic philosophy	Invisiblist	Jul 22nd 2006	227
Y'all are blaming Cap now?	Brother_Afron	Jul 22nd 2006	231
no one is being treated as sub-human here	buckshot defunct	Jul 22nd 2006	234
RE: no one is being treated as sub-human here	Brother_Afron	Jul 22nd 2006	238
They've been a little too vague about this:	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	252
RE: They've been a little too vague about this:	Brother_Afron	Jul 26th 2006	255
irrelevant tangent: how many marvel superheroes	shockzilla	Jul 22nd 2006	239
RE: irrelevant tangent: how many marvel superheroes	Brother_Afron	Jul 22nd 2006	240
^^^^true. Let's not exaggerate, folks.	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	247
see reply 238	Brother_Afron	Jul 26th 2006	256
let's think about this little political analogy being spun	buckshot defunct	Jul 22nd 2006	233
well. outside of Cap and Iron Man	DrNO	Jul 23rd 2006	242
interesting	buckshot defunct	Jul 24th 2006	246
The illuminati special	Brother_Afron	Jul 23rd 2006	243
it sets up Namor for something i think	Toothpick	Jul 26th 2006	262
It sets up Namor and Black Bolt siding with Cap	mrhood75	Jul 26th 2006	267
Thing is not pro-reg anymore. He's rolling with Yancy Street.	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	269
I remember that, but he was on the pro-reg squad in CW #3...	mrhood75	Jul 26th 2006	272
nah, he musta flipped after the fight in #3, because	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	273
Front Line #4	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	248
So who are all of these heroes in the hidden cell?	phenompyrus	Jul 26th 2006	253
buncha no-names. Typeface, Network, etc.	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	266
The brotha is Battlestar	mrhood75	Jul 26th 2006	268
we should expect a US Agent appearance.	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	270
I'm surprised he isn't around already	mrhood75	Jul 26th 2006	271
Wolverine #44	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	249
I agree 100%.	phenompyrus	Jul 26th 2006	254
I ain't cop it yet but	Brooklynbeef	Jul 26th 2006	260
Amazing Spider-man #534	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	250
This had me thinking of all sorts of conclusions for CW...	phenompyrus	Jul 26th 2006	257
My thoughts.	JRennolds	Jul 27th 2006	279
some really good stuff in these pages	buckshot defunct	Jul 28th 2006	288
Maybe through Shield	son_of_mr_hankey	Aug 03rd 2006	295
New Avengers #22	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	251
Definately the COTW...	phenompyrus	Jul 26th 2006	258
Incredibly enough...	Brother_Afron	Jul 26th 2006	259
Yeah I heard Lindelof is busy on his day job	KneelB4Me	Jul 26th 2006	261
RE: Yeah I heard Lindelof is busy on his day job	Brother_Afron	Jul 26th 2006	264
Regarding the CW issues of New Avengers.	JRennolds	Jul 27th 2006	278
"oh COME ON" is the best comic moment in a minute	Toothpick	Jul 26th 2006	263
it's funny to see a guy like Stark do/say something like that.	Invisiblist	Jul 26th 2006	265
I don't think it so unusual...	KwesiAkoKennedy	Jul 26th 2006	275
If we could post pictures in our sigs	Brother_Afron	Jul 27th 2006	277
Surprisingly good dialogue...	KwesiAkoKennedy	Jul 26th 2006	274
jesus, this issue was GREAT. And I was SLEE-PING	buckshot defunct	Jul 28th 2006	289
Late pass comments...	Marbles	Aug 03rd 2006	293
seems to me CW has already pulled into an insurmountable lead.	Invisiblist	Aug 03rd 2006	294
let's not forget there's some space shit going down too	buckshot defunct	Aug 04th 2006	306
CW: Young Avengers and Runaways #1	JRennolds	Jul 27th 2006	276
Does anyone think that a HUGE character is going to bite the dust?	phenompyrus	Jul 27th 2006	280
I do and I'm thinking it's CAP.	JRennolds	Jul 27th 2006	281
Can't believe I was cheering for Cap	Brooklynbeef	Jul 28th 2006	282
The Anti Reg Top Guns	Brooklynbeef	Jul 28th 2006	283
Does anyone know if Daredevil	JiggysMyDayJob	Jul 28th 2006	284
RE: Does anyone know if Daredevil	Brother_Afron	Jul 28th 2006	285
RE: Does anyone know if Daredevil	JiggysMyDayJob	Jul 28th 2006	286
RE: Does anyone know if Daredevil	Brother_Afron	Jul 28th 2006	287
UATU SAYS: READ THIS MONTH'S WIZARD.	Uatu The Watcher	Jul 29th 2006	290
Fantastic Four #539	Invisiblist	Aug 03rd 2006	291
If they go that route I am going to be EXTREMELY dissapointed	phenompyrus	Aug 03rd 2006	297
mind control is lame. A couple other theories:	buckshot defunct	Aug 04th 2006	304
Black Panther #18 (just got around to it)	Invisiblist	Aug 03rd 2006	292
Wolverine: How he came back?	Brooklynbeef	Aug 03rd 2006	296
Well... it is one of them...	phenompyrus	Aug 03rd 2006	298
RE: Well... it is one of them...	Brooklynbeef	Aug 04th 2006	299
Quesada said today that this will be explained in Wolverine #48	Invisiblist	Aug 04th 2006	302
RE: BULLLLSHITTTTTT!!!!!!!	spades	Aug 04th 2006	303
Cap was punching out evil dictators	buckshot defunct	Aug 04th 2006	305
RE: Yeah, Cap's old, I get it	spades	Aug 05th 2006	307
No Broham	Brooklynbeef	Aug 09th 2006	308
he's taken punches from the Hulk	buckshot defunct	Aug 09th 2006	309
Get's geek on	spades	Aug 09th 2006	310
fine, maybe Spidey was holding back out of respect for his elders	buckshot defunct	Aug 09th 2006	311
Yes.	spades	Aug 09th 2006	312
NEWMAN!	buckshot defunct	Aug 09th 2006	313
Spidey ALWAYS holds back, though. ALWAYS.	Invisiblist	Aug 11th 2006	317
Civil War: Frontline #5 and the tie-ins. WHY THEY SUCK, PTP!!!	JRennolds	Aug 11th 2006	314
I agree	KneelB4Me	Aug 11th 2006	315
Thunderbolts #103 and FF #539	JRennolds	Aug 11th 2006	316
I'm going to masturbate to this all night.	James Edward	Sep 08th 2006	318
9/20 feels very far away to me,	spades	Sep 08th 2006	319
Oh my damn...	KwesiAkoKennedy	Sep 08th 2006	320
I like how Cap was the hardest motherfucker on the planet,	James Edward	Sep 08th 2006	321
Is, is he dead?	mrhood75	Sep 08th 2006	322
Civil War #4	James Edward	Sep 20th 2006	323
Meat and potatoes!	JRennolds	Sep 20th 2006	325
You know damn well	James Edward	Sep 20th 2006	326
RE: You know damn well	JRennolds	Sep 20th 2006	331
aka Thor sons the Marvel Universe	buckshot defunct	Sep 20th 2006	327
oh, and a question (spoiler)	buckshot defunct	Sep 20th 2006	328
peep the green hair	Dreadmedia	Sep 20th 2006	332
weird...the hair looked blonde to me	buckshot defunct	Sep 21st 2006	333
RE: aka Thor sons the Marvel Universe	Brother_Afron	Sep 20th 2006	330
The final fuck was probably more for herself than for Reed	somnambulant	Sep 23rd 2006	364
Not mad at all at this ish	KneelB4Me	Sep 20th 2006	329
Ski masked man in a trench coat..	Coatesvillain	Sep 21st 2006	334
I think it's Earth-Prime Superboy	buckshot defunct	Sep 21st 2006	337
I tthought it was Hush	Gemini_Two_One	Sep 22nd 2006	345
The eyes didn't look cold enough for the Punisher	KneelB4Me	Sep 22nd 2006	343
Yeah, its Clint	Big Chief Rumbletummy	Sep 24th 2006	367
I think it's Joey Lawrence!!!!	JRennolds	Sep 22nd 2006	346
Could it be my favorite Avenger, Clint Barton? n/m	Marbles	Sep 22nd 2006	351
RE: Ski masked man in a trench coat..	Quack	Sep 22nd 2006	356
RE: Ski masked man in a trench coat..	epluribusunum	Sep 22nd 2006	358
YES! I was right about something..	Coatesvillain	Nov 19th 2006	405
upon second reading, there's a few more thing that well...irk me	buckshot defunct	Sep 21st 2006	336
The reasons why I can swallow Tony and Reed going through with this....	KwesiAkoKennedy	Sep 22nd 2006	339
RE: upon second reading, there's a few more thing that well...irk me	Brother_Afron	Sep 22nd 2006	340
Eff the Quinjet; Starks and Richards roll on the short bus.	JRennolds	Sep 22nd 2006	347
Okay, let me start complaining:	mrhood75	Sep 22nd 2006	341
I like the idea, just...not the way its being used	buckshot defunct	Sep 22nd 2006	348
CLOR came out of left field....	JRennolds	Sep 22nd 2006	349
I'm interested in seeing how the Thor cloning plays out	DrNO	Sep 22nd 2006	352
I hope Thor and Hulk get back on the same day	buckshot defunct	Sep 22nd 2006	353
RE: I hope Thor and Hulk get back on the same day	Brother_Afron	Sep 22nd 2006	355
Fun fact: Thor has already been cloned	mrhood75	Sep 22nd 2006	360
Hahahaha... look at phenompyrus's prophecy in #280's subject line	lonesome_d	Sep 22nd 2006	354
It's good to see they keep continuity..	Coatesvillain	Sep 23rd 2006	361
Really...	JRennolds	Sep 23rd 2006	363
And wasn't Bullseye blasting guns in Rykers?	Coatesvillain	Sep 23rd 2006	366
Wolverine #46	James Edward	Sep 20th 2006	324
Wolverine is what got me back into Civil War..	Coatesvillain	Sep 21st 2006	335
definitely the best of the civil war tie ins	Effa	Sep 21st 2006	338
On weeks like this	Brother_Afron	Sep 22nd 2006	342
Yes, I copped it. No, I did not dig it.	JRennolds	Sep 23rd 2006	362
Is Falcon blind	Brooklynbeef	Sep 22nd 2006	344
There will be more clones - The 50 State Initiative	native_son	Sep 22nd 2006	350
I don't need to read the interview.	James Edward	Sep 22nd 2006	359
Well I was just happy to get a comic for CW this week	JiggysMyDayJob	Sep 22nd 2006	357
While I like CW, there are some problems...	phenompyrus	Sep 23rd 2006	365
After reading Civil War #4 and the puppet master part of post 291	Big Chief Rumbletummy	Sep 24th 2006	368
Yeah, I'm back on board/ The Amazing Spider-Man #535	JRennolds	Sep 28th 2006	369
So the pro-regs wanna curry favor with the public?	notnac	Sep 28th 2006	370
Amazing Spider-man #535	Invisiblist	Sep 28th 2006	371
flipped thru it, looked STRONG	buckshot defunct	Sep 29th 2006	374
I'm 100% certain that Tony and Reed were sending that message.	Invisiblist	Sep 30th 2006	375
Frontline #6	Invisiblist	Sep 28th 2006	372
Captain America #22 (spoilers)	buckshot defunct	Sep 29th 2006	373
Peter/May/Jarvis/Tony	Invisiblist	Sep 30th 2006	376
Fantastic Four #540	Invisiblist	Oct 04th 2006	377
wasn't feeling it	buckshot defunct	Oct 06th 2006	378
re: the man in the mask in CW #4	Jayson Willyams	Nov 14th 2006	379
RE: re: the man in the mask in CW #4	Jayson Willyams	Nov 15th 2006	380
The last Spidey CW Tie-In	spades	Nov 15th 2006	381
RE: The last Spidey CW Tie-In	Brother_Afron	Nov 15th 2006	382
Damn, CW 5!	spades	Nov 15th 2006	383
Hell Nah	Brooklynbeef	Nov 15th 2006	384
Ok but...	spades	Nov 15th 2006	387
RE: Ok but...	Brooklynbeef	Nov 16th 2006	398
Civil War #5 - "Daredevil" Ethered Tony Stark	Melanism	Nov 15th 2006	385
RE: Civil War #5 - "Daredevil" Ethered Tony Stark	Calico	Nov 15th 2006	386
Do you think Tony could tell it was Danny Rand..	Coatesvillain	Nov 19th 2006	406
twas harsh	buckshot defunct	Nov 15th 2006	388
Those Punisher scenes were nice...	KwesiAkoKennedy	Nov 15th 2006	389
RE: Those Punisher scenes were nice...	Brother_Afron	Nov 16th 2006	390
Okay, I'll admit it. CW keeps getting better and better.	JRennolds	Nov 16th 2006	392
What did Bats said to Supes in Infinite Crisis?	Brooklynbeef	Nov 16th 2006	393
Paraphrase: "You haven't inspired anyone since you died."	mrhood75	Nov 16th 2006	395
The Pro-Reg side comes alive	Brother_Afron	Nov 16th 2006	391
New Avengers is kinda nice	Brooklynbeef	Nov 16th 2006	394
RE: The Civil War Post Infinite Spoilers	JiggysMyDayJob	Nov 16th 2006	396
Ultimates Nod? How?	Brooklynbeef	Nov 16th 2006	397
I've got a fanboy beef with CW#5.	Invisiblist	Nov 16th 2006	399
lol	buckshot defunct	Nov 16th 2006	400
yeah, I think it was Hudlin. But it's not his fault. Anyways,	Invisiblist	Nov 17th 2006	401
RE: yeah, I think it was Hudlin. But it's not his fault. Anyways,	JiggysMyDayJob	Nov 19th 2006	411
CW's been fucking up Spidey in general	spades	Nov 17th 2006	402
i don't think any of the books have written his abilities well	Calico	Nov 18th 2006	403
Spidey hasn't begun to fight yet...	Calico	Nov 18th 2006	404
I think they're just getting him in his custom fitted underdog role..	Coatesvillain	Nov 19th 2006	407
Question about Shield coming after Sue..	Coatesvillain	Nov 19th 2006	408
Based on what the head of Shield said in New Avengers...	KwesiAkoKennedy	Nov 19th 2006	409
they were in FF gear as opposed to street disguises,	Invisiblist	Nov 19th 2006	410
My beef with New Avengers #25	JRennolds	Nov 20th 2006	412

Invisiblist
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Thu May-04-06 02:07 PM

1. "Issue one, foist impressions"
In response to Reply # 0

Before you even open the joint, Spider-man is in his classic duds. WTF. That's a money-grubbin copout if I've ever seen one.

Yes, "the straw that broke the camel's back" was used twice. However, it would seem to me that Millar has done a decent job of getting right to the point, with Tony already going after Cap by the end of issue 1. A bit rushed? Maybe. I just hope it's a little more of getting to the point.

Sentry better fuckin factor into this, given what happened in the last issue of his recent mini. No, I'm not talking about the homo shit, either.

They should just let them curse in this one. Keep it PG13, so no fucks of course, but "crap" just ain't harsh enough for a funeral confrontation.

I don't think anyone should rush to "IT'S THE SHIT!" conclusions just yet. Seems flimsy at this point.

Oh yeah.....uh.......did The Watcher SAY or DO anything, or was he just another device to say "This shit is serious"?

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Gemini_Two_One
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Thu May-04-06 02:28 PM

2. "RE: Issue one, foist impressions"
In response to Reply # 1

>
>Sentry better fuckin factor into this, given what happened in
>the last issue of his recent mini. No, I'm not talking about
>the homo shit, either.

I don't read too many Marvel titles...so what homo shit?

>
>They should just let them curse in this one. Keep it PG13, so
>no fucks of course, but "crap" just ain't harsh enough for a
>funeral confrontation.
>
>I don't think anyone should rush to "IT'S THE SHIT!"
>conclusions just yet. Seems flimsy at this point.
>
>Oh yeah.....uh.......did The Watcher SAY or DO anything, or
>was he just another device to say "This shit is serious"?

I loved seeing The Watcher and I think that was his only purpose.

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Thu May-04-06 05:03 PM

9. "Homo Sentry spoiler"
In response to Reply # 2

Sentry and Void split independently from Robert Reynolds a few issues back. Void is Robert, Sentry was the manifestation of the good parts of Robert.

So anyways, after a lot of fighting and talking and little moments of clarity, Sentry grabs Void and takes off toward the sun. Void is pleading for his life, now keep in mind they're essentially the same person, except opposite.

Sentry - "I don't need you."
Void - "YOU ALWAYS NEEDED ME!"
.
.
.
Then Sentry kisses Void and throws his ass into the sun. Wtf. Lol I can't decide if I'm down with that or not.

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Brother_Afron
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Thu May-04-06 06:24 PM

15. "RE: Homo Sentry spoiler"
In response to Reply # 9

Jenkins has been reading Miracle Man

Fun is the new gritty

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Thu May-04-06 06:35 PM

16. "lotsa the Sentry stuff is jacked, but"
In response to Reply # 15

Exactly which part is Miracle Man

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Brother_Afron
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Thu May-04-06 07:40 PM

20. "RE: lotsa the Sentry stuff is jacked, but"
In response to Reply # 16

My memory can be spotty so bear with me: Miracle Man confronts his main enemy, Dr. Gargunza, who pretty much created him. At the end of it all, MM flies Gargunza to the edge of the atmosphere, so you have the standard shot of the whole earth below him. MM kisses Gargunza then throws him down into the planet.

Fun is the new gritty

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Thu May-04-06 08:40 PM

23. "was it on of those girlfriend kisses, tho?"
In response to Reply # 20

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Brother_Afron
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Thu May-04-06 08:49 PM

25. "Yup"
In response to Reply # 23

n/m

Fun is the new gritty

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Thu May-04-06 02:34 PM

3. "*SPOILER* The Union wins."
In response to Reply # 0

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Thu May-04-06 03:27 PM

5. "US Grant was a gangsta"
In response to Reply # 3

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Fri May-05-06 08:30 PM

39. "Nat Green: no slouch in the hustle department either"
In response to Reply # 5

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Thu May-04-06 05:47 PM

10. "^^^ gets comic news from confedarama.com"
In response to Reply # 3

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duD
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Thu May-04-06 03:12 PM

4. "tony stark is a dick"
In response to Reply # 0

i read up the past few ironman issues before looking at civil war

and stark is just an asshole.

the part i liked most about it was the guy in the sentinel basically telling wolverine "shit, i'm just gettin paid, homie."

this is the first time i've ever liked captain marvel, and this includes TRUTH.

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Thu May-04-06 04:44 PM

8. "Ellis had him behead a dude"
In response to Reply # 4

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Thu May-04-06 05:50 PM

11. "Captain Marvel died of cancer, doggie."
In response to Reply # 4

You mean Captain America? I never liked him until I really started reading shit more. There's really no reason to not like him. He's a real dude. He stopped being Captain America for a while in the 70s.

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Thu May-04-06 06:14 PM

13. "folks need to read the Brubaker series"
In response to Reply # 11

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duD
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Thu May-04-06 09:41 PM

27. "naw, man. iron man."
In response to Reply # 11

he's a dick.

he has been ever since the whole "i can control computers with my brain" thing.

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Sat May-06-06 11:43 AM

42. "read your reply again, dummy."
In response to Reply # 27

You mentioned Captain Marvel, you meant Captain America

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Wed May-10-06 02:48 AM

53. "ha ha. word."
In response to Reply # 42

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DrNO
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Thu May-04-06 04:03 PM

6. "I thought it was great"
In response to Reply # 0

Nice balance of action and dialogue. Good lord is McNiven the man (and Canadian! I hope the Alpha Flight comes up). I'm pumped, unlike DC I can see Marvel, especially with Milar, actually shaking things up.

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Brother_Afron
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Thu May-04-06 04:39 PM

7. "RE: I thought it was great"
In response to Reply # 6

McNiven did the damn thing on it. The costumes actually looked like uniforms and not just spray painted skin.

I'm even cool with them saying "stray that broke the camel's back twice". Its actually more realistic. I mean everytime I hear a report about Iraq there's always a "we're fighting for freedom" so why not?

Fun is the new gritty

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Thu May-04-06 05:58 PM

12. "The first issue was pretty damn good to me."
In response to Reply # 0

I hope Marvel really brings it with this.
HoM was dissapointing, but I have high hopes for CW.
Iron Man Vs. Captain America is shaping up to be something badass and classic.
And who else thinks Cap just became infinitely cooler?

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Thu May-04-06 06:14 PM

14. "he rode a fucking jet man"
In response to Reply # 12

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Thu May-04-06 06:52 PM

17. "Exactly but Cap lashing out is nothing new."
In response to Reply # 14

He pulls this same shit in the first arc of the vol. 3(?) relaunch...

GOMD

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Thu May-04-06 08:38 PM

22. "Cap's kept it real for at least 30 years"
In response to Reply # 17

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Thu May-04-06 06:57 PM

18. "Bendis catches L at local comic shop."
In response to Reply # 0

I mean, dang, not only is the reaction to CW smashing HOM off top, but then this:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=7228

You gotta get past a lotta crap, maybe you should go to the end then scroll up

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Thu May-04-06 07:18 PM

19. "My only complaint about CW #1"
In response to Reply # 0

Cap: "Watch the potty mouth."

Come on, Millar, you fuckin killin me.

"Watch the language," sure. But "potty mouth?!" Dude's a soldier from another era, not an 8 year old girl.

Otherwise, dope.

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Thu May-04-06 08:46 PM

24. "if it was written your way the point"
In response to Reply # 19

Would be duller. "Potty mouth" is the only thing that could invert a motherfucker fighting SHIELD dudes, jumping out a window and riding a plane well enough.

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu May-04-06 08:19 PM

21. "So They Finally Passed the Mutant Registration Act"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.

With riders to include all metas. Where the ish is Charles Xavier? Are all the New Warrios dead, including Namorita.

As I said if the average American can't distinguish an Muslim from a Shikh how can the distinguish a mutant from a superhuamn.?

The abandoned the X-books how do they factor in this? Plus, I still don't understand why Wolvie joined the Avengers.

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Thu May-04-06 09:29 PM

26. "No, the act hasn't been passed yet."
In response to Reply # 21

But yeah, basically what you said.

Dunno about the X books.

They've mentioned several times in the last couple years that most people just consider supers mutants anyways.

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu May-11-06 07:59 PM

58. "But They Don't Hate em"
In response to Reply # 26

>But yeah, basically what you said.
>
>Dunno about the X books.
>
>They've mentioned several times in the last couple years that
>most people just consider supers mutants anyways.

They love Ben Grim but despise Bobby Drake.

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Thu May-11-06 11:56 PM

59. "they ain't too crazy about Johnny Storm right now"
In response to Reply # 58

they hit that bitch with a bottle

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Brooklynbeef
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Fri May-12-06 03:01 PM

60. "What took em so long?"
In response to Reply # 59

>
>they hit that bitch with a bottle
Another story continuity sore is that he dated Namorita and Johnny is acting like he didn't know her refering to the New Warriors as C-lister.

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Fri May-12-06 03:10 PM

61. "continuity sore?"
In response to Reply # 60

Half the women I've dated I pretend not to know either

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Wed Jun-14-06 06:40 PM

63. "Yea somebody gave Johnny the Jigga"
In response to Reply # 59

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Unity777
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Fri May-05-06 09:43 AM

28. "RE: So They Finally Passed the Mutant Registration Act"
In response to Reply # 21

>
>With riders to include all metas. Where the ish is Charles
>Xavier?

Currently powerless due to HOM

Are all the New Warrios dead, including Namorita.

Think so, hate to see her go though...

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Unity777
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Fri May-05-06 09:51 AM

29. "So Cap"
In response to Reply # 0

is a little like Ultimate Cap, huh?

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Fri May-05-06 10:02 AM

30. "what aspect makes you say that?"
In response to Reply # 29

I starting to think that folks don't know Cap at all. I know thois: Cap would not have shit on SHIELD in the Ultimates like that

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Unity777
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Fri May-05-06 02:30 PM

36. "RE: what aspect makes you say that?"
In response to Reply # 30

>I starting to think that folks don't know Cap at all. I know
>thois: Cap would not have shit on SHIELD in the Ultimates like
>that

Mostly his demeanor and the way they had him speaking. CW Cap and Ultimate Cap share that righteous indignance

Do you mean Ultimate Cap could not or would not shit on shield like that?

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mrhood75
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Fri May-05-06 10:18 AM

31. "Nah, Ultimate Cap is basically a fascist"
In response to Reply # 29

He would have done anythin the government told him to, and would have been on the frontline to clean-up the "super-power problem."

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Fri May-05-06 11:21 AM

32. "JRennolds brought this up in CotW"
In response to Reply # 0

Who the fuck is that in DD's duds if DD's in jail? Can't believe it didn't occur to me.

But do we really know where in continuity everything is working out?

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Unity777
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Fri May-05-06 02:24 PM

35. "RE: JRennolds brought this up in CotW"
In response to Reply # 32

>Who the fuck is that in DD's duds if DD's in jail? Can't
>believe it didn't occur to me.
>
>But do we really know where in continuity everything is
>working out?

There is some speculation that the dude in DD's duds is bullseye

maybe that explains why the DD in CW is playing with a coin or something

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Fri May-05-06 04:42 PM

37. "it's not Bullseye."
In response to Reply # 35

Bullseye is locked in Rykers with Matt.

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Fri May-05-06 07:19 PM

38. "It's Clint Barton!"
In response to Reply # 37

Just watch.

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Thu Jun-15-06 12:51 AM

73. "Shhhhhhhhhh. Fuck this!"
In response to Reply # 38

Nick Fury?

GOMD

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Thu Jun-15-06 08:43 AM

74. "Now that is a great fuckin idea."
In response to Reply # 73

But does he really get down with the martial arts split kicks and shit?

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Wed May-10-06 10:11 AM

55. "here's my ? about that DD appearance"
In response to Reply # 32

There were people in that room who know that Matt Murdock is Daredevil (it's sort of the worst kept secret identity ever). And it's no secret in the Marvel Universe that Matt Murdock is currently in jail (assuming Civil War is taking place in the same here and now continuity as the Daredevil title) So wouldn't someone in that room put 2 and 2 together and say 'Who's the guy in the Daredevil suit?'

Nobody seemed bothered by his appearance.

So either Civil War takes place after Murdock's outta prison or all the superheroes in the MU know who the fake DD is (seems unlikely)

Hmmmmmmm

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Thu May-11-06 11:56 AM

56. "you're missing something though,"
In response to Reply # 55

Remember that some of the folks in that room that know that Murdoch is DD don't know that other people in that room share the same knowledge.

Also, if someone were to say "that motherfucker ain't Daredevil" that would pretty much confirm for anyone else in the room that the jailed lawyer is DD.

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Thu May-11-06 12:38 PM

57. "ehhhh"
In response to Reply # 56

I don't really see Captain America just letting some fool in a Daredevil suit stroll up into the meeting, and not saying anything because he didn't wanna upset Man Thing or something. Plus, just because that's not the *real* DD, it doesn't necessarily mean that Matt Murdock is guilty.

On top of that... pretty much everybody KNOWS Murdock is DD now, it just hasn't been proven in the court of law/jury of peers sense.

In any event, I hear they're going to explain the DD appearance eventually, and that it actually will play some role in Civil War. So long as it's getting addressed, I'm happy.

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Fri May-05-06 02:03 PM

33. "Uh, why was Peter taking pictures at the funeral?"
In response to Reply # 0

Wtf? As a matter of fact, why does Jonah still fuck with him? We've had a continuity problem since Millar's MK Spidey run, in which Peter convinced JJJ that his son was Spider-man. Matter of fact....why does he even have a job at ALL? He lives in the tower, everything is paid for by Tony.

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Unity777
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Fri May-05-06 02:23 PM

34. "RE: Uh, why was Peter taking pictures at the funeral?"
In response to Reply # 33

Isn't he still a teacher?

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Calico
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Sat May-06-06 03:06 AM

40. "^^ all of this is part of the problem"
In response to Reply # 34

i didn't understand why pete was taking pics either, or why he's obviously quit being a teacher to work for tony...but this is ALL cause the Spidey writers never got together and made a good continuity...

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Sat May-06-06 08:26 AM

41. "So, Thor's supposed to show up, right?"
In response to Reply # 0

And do what, exactly?

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Sat May-06-06 01:05 PM

43. "Reclaim his hammer....and uh,"
In response to Reply # 41

thats a really good point. I'm interested to see that aspect. After Doom finding the Mjoliner and not taking it....I figure they (marvel) has big plans for him- they just dont know what to do with him.

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44. "When did Doom fins Mjolnir?"
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Sun May-07-06 10:56 AM

45. "RE: When did Doom fins Mjolnir?"
In response to Reply # 44

Last month in Fantastic Four.

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Mon May-08-06 11:29 AM

50. "where was it, and why didn't he try and snag it?"
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Mon May-08-06 11:33 AM

51. "RE: where was it, and why didn't he try and snag it?"
In response to Reply # 50

It landed somewhere in the midwest. A research company built a facility around it, for a reason I completely forget. Doom launched all his Doombots to try to obtain it, then appeared in person. The FF tried to scramble to stop him but he reaches it anyway. Unsurprisingly, Doom can't budge the hammer, and goes on his merry way.

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Sat Jun-17-06 09:42 AM

99. "Shouldn't they have known though?"
In response to Reply # 51

That's what I don't get. The F4 should have known that Doom wasn't worthy to lift Mjolnor, but instead of relaxing with that they panic and rush to stop him.

It was cool, but I'm thinking they should've known.

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Sat Jun-17-06 01:28 PM

101. "I feel you on that"
In response to Reply # 99

Because I didn't think he would be able to budge it for a second. I would have liked a throwaway line or something where the FF state that they figured Doom created some technology that would have had him move it, because otherwise there really was no reason to panic like that.

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Mon May-08-06 03:29 AM

46. "Fuck this for one reason, and one reason only...."
In response to Reply # 0

They....

...they....

...OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED SPEEDBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU BASTARDS!

(unless that means my complete collection of Speedball comics is gonna go up in price)

Seriously though... book one of CW was pretty nice. Though five large pages of Cap escaping was rather unneccesary. Shrink them panels, and stop stretching shit out.

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Fri Jun-16-06 08:36 PM

97. "Speedball survived.."
In response to Reply # 46

The rest of the New Warriors that were there were killed.

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Mon May-08-06 04:14 AM

47. "here's my question..."
In response to Reply # 0

who the hell was in the daredevil costume? bullseye?

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Mon May-08-06 11:28 AM

49. "this reply is your notification"
In response to Reply # 47

that I will not be answering any of your questions from here on out because you wouldn't read them, amyways.....

We already addressed the bullseye rumor!

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Mon May-08-06 09:26 AM

48. "synopsis please...."
In response to Reply # 0

I'm avoiding CW this summer. HoM soured me.

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Wed May-10-06 01:25 AM

52. "sorry I'm late!"
In response to Reply # 0

Finally read this one, and I gotta give it the thumbs up. It's a tentative thumbs up, mind you (I'm reminded of a 'House of M #1 was better than I expected!' post I made not all that long ago) But so far so good.

I guess if you've been following the Civil War build up, there's no real revelations here. It's pretty much what you would expect. But it works.

In fact, it almost works as an advantage at times... like the scene where Cap is meeting with the SHIELD director. Now I already knew which way he was gonna swing, so there was some really good tension in those scenes before the shit hit the fan. That was cool.

And the art is phe-fucking-nomenal. No complaints there at all.

So far so good, and once again I'm sucked in to an event crossover. There should be a support group for guys like me.

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Wed May-10-06 08:11 AM

54. "I'm kinda in the same boat you are."
In response to Reply # 52

As much as I ride for Marvel, I'm feeling very tentative about CW. We'll see.

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Wed Jun-14-06 04:39 PM

62. "CIVIL WAR #2"
In response to Reply # 0

Since the spoilers are in the post sibject, I thought it especially prudent to discuss this issue in here.

Marvel = Getting more milage outta character development than any DC B-list hero liquidating spree ever has.

I'm gonna go ahead an say that this Spidey unveiling won't last. I betcha somebody does something that reverses the world's knowledge of it ever happening.

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Wed Jun-14-06 06:46 PM

64. "It's gotta."
In response to Reply # 62

I mean... dude's got way too many insane villians who will fuck his family up for that to last.

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Wed Jun-14-06 08:24 PM

67. "McNiven KNOWS HOW TO DRAW ASSES"
In response to Reply # 62

Evidence: Sue Storm and She-Hulk

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Wed Jun-14-06 11:08 PM

70. "Okay, bear with me here. Civil War #2 >>>> Nextwave #5"
In response to Reply # 62

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges here but god damn, this is the best Marvel Comic I have read in years. I can't wait to see how the issues at hand pan out. Wow, hats off to Marvel on this one!

I may hold off on an OKP review and review the joint on our blog.

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Wed Jun-14-06 06:58 PM

65. "Shit"
In response to Reply # 0

I been sleeping on this book, but I think I have to get it now.

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Wed Jun-14-06 07:01 PM

66. "I'm'a wait for the eventual trade paperback"
In response to Reply # 65

And Spidey's unmasking will not--cannot--remain permanent. Homeboy's got a list of people who would kill his family in a nanosecond.

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Wed Jun-14-06 10:55 PM

68. "Speedball aint dead..**DONT READ SPOILERS***"
In response to Reply # 0

Dude got blasted 500 miles and subsequently arrested by SHIELD.

I can't believe Spidey took off his mask! He's like a living spider (minus the whole underwater breathing thing) I need to hate on this for various reasons that will come later because I cannot think of any now.

I wonder what the anti registration heroes are gonna do. Imagine stopping a robbery and having to fight off SHIELD at the same time.

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Wed Jun-14-06 11:08 PM

69. "*giant spoiler*"
In response to Reply # 0

the union wins

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Wed Jun-14-06 11:24 PM

71. "that was reply three, man. come on."
In response to Reply # 69

but seriously,

the august Civil War cover has spiderman in the new costume fighting iron man.

i have no clue where this shit is going, and i love it.

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Thu Jun-15-06 01:53 PM

87. "i didn't read the post once i found out it was about comic books"
In response to Reply # 71

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Wed Jun-14-06 11:48 PM

72. "Spidey's Friends & Family LOST."
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LOL

Im lovin this so far.....how long till 3?

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Thu Jun-15-06 08:55 AM

75. "Reminder: Spoiler alerts are not necessary"
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This is the post for spoilers. Just let us know what you're addressing in the subject line.

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Thu Jun-15-06 09:26 AM

76. "About Spidey's reveal:"
In response to Reply # 0

Someone will call Spidey out on the following:

There is no way that Spider-man would ever have outed himself if he wasn't rolling with Tony, and ESPECIALLY if his family wasn't protected in Stark Tower.

However, MJ's been waiting for this for a while.

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Thu Jun-15-06 09:54 AM

77. "I think Pete's a spy for Cap's side"
In response to Reply # 76

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Thu Jun-15-06 10:01 AM

78. "Nah. He wouldn't play that role."
In response to Reply # 77

That's just not Peter.

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Thu Jun-15-06 10:10 AM

80. "The old Peter wouldn't have"
In response to Reply # 78

but... only the Spider remains (or whatever).

You've been saying that JMS has been setting him up throughout his entire run.. and maybe the payoff wasn't The Other, but this.

There have been clues/spoilers in solicits, etc. that there is a traitor in the Guv's camp. Who else could it be? Also, see DuD's comment above re: the August cover.

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Thu Jun-15-06 10:26 AM

82. "I will not look at future covers. However,"
In response to Reply # 80

Fold out this month's cover and lay it flat.
Put that together with Joe Q publicly stating that Peter will be back in the old costume before the end of the year.

Yes, Peter will flip sides. But that's different from saying that he's currently a spy. One's a change of perspective, the othere is doing your boy dirty intentionally.

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Thu Jun-15-06 08:53 PM

90. "I think Tony Starks is controlling minds."
In response to Reply # 77
Thu Jun-15-06 08:55 PM by JRennolds

Dude is brilliant and calculating; I wouldn't put it past him.

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Thu Jun-15-06 10:10 AM

79. "Peter is going to be *PISSED* at Stark..."
In response to Reply # 76

I have a feeling that Peter will find out how shady Stark is and be furious that he put his life and the lives of his aunt & wife in Stark's hands. That's gonna widen the rift between the 2 sides.

I also reiterate that Spider Man will probably need to stay with the Avengers to keep May & MJ safe. However, I wonder if iron Man will remain with the team. Is Stark still bankrolling the team?

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Thu Jun-15-06 10:13 AM

81. "Cap's Brigade looks a bit skimpy..."
In response to Reply # 0

Cap, the Falcon, Hercules, Daredevil, Black Goliath, Cloak & Dagger and the Young Avengers.

Still, I imagine that he'll get most of the support of the mutants in the Marvel Universe. It looks like Bishop might flip but I can't imagine the majority of the X-teams going along with this.

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Thu Jun-15-06 10:28 AM

83. "Yeah, but they got Nick Fury."
In response to Reply # 81

That's enough to make it right there.

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Thu Jun-15-06 08:28 PM

89. "You forgot about Cable"
In response to Reply # 81

Looks like Cable is on the sqaud. I mean like everyone else is saying if the majority of the X-Team sign up it's gonna be a bitch. And we are forgetting about the Illuminati... Namor is still out there and I know he's thinking about what if the shit goes to far and they start to invade his territory, Dr. Strange can't be onboard Tony's shit. It's alot and I don't trust that SHIELD bitch either she was questioning on House of M so she prolly on some sneaky shit too

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Thu Jun-29-06 08:12 PM

127. "That's the Champions, ain't it?"
In response to Reply # 81

>
> Cap, the Falcon, Hercules, Daredevil, Black Goliath, Cloak &
>Dagger and the Young Avengers.

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Thu Jun-15-06 11:14 AM

84. "Things to keep in mind (speculations)"
In response to Reply # 0

#1 Nick Fury in the house. This means that strategically, Cap's team has the advantage. However, you can't necessarily be sure of Fury's motivations. Keep in mind that he did the costume folks DIRTY in Secret War last year. I'm kinda suprised that Cap is fuckin with him at all. It's possible that Fury will flip on everyone to get his SHIELD spot back so that he can do more good in the long-term. Speaking of Civil War, let's talk about

#2 DOCTOR DOOM! A doombot taken out in issue two.....the reason that Fury is underground because of some Latveria shit that went down....Marvel has been putting a focus on Doom in the last few months...I doubt all this isn't leading to something.

#3 Thor is supposed to come back, right? What purpose would that serve other than for him to negate

#4 The Sentry? He's been on covers for this shit, but hasn't involved himself yet (even thought covers imply he's on Tony's side). And for good reason. If Sentry wanted to find Cap, he'd find him, and this shit woulda been Civil War: One Shot. However, if Thor shows up, I'm fairly certain he won't give a fuck about no reigstration act, and they'll sic Sentry on him, at which point Manhattan will have a problem.

#5 Cap was the #1 motherfucker pulling for Peter when Jameson was in Stark Tower. Peter will not forget that.

#6 Scarlett Witch can reverse this shit at any time. Captain Picar.....er.....Xavier is still a wild card, too.

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Thu Jun-15-06 11:21 AM

85. "Good points..."
In response to Reply # 84

>#1 Nick Fury in the house. This means that strategically,
>Cap's team has the advantage. However, you can't necessarily
>be sure of Fury's motivations.

True indeed...without being handcuffed by SHIELD, Nick Fury has the potential to a tough man to deal with

>#5 Cap was the #1 motherfucker pulling for Peter when Jameson
>was in Stark Tower. Peter will not forget that.

I think Peter Parker is about to learn a serious lesson in team dynamics. After all this time of being solo, he's following Stark blindly because Tony has stroked his ego.

>#6 Scarlett Witch can reverse this shit at any time. Captain
>Picar.....er.....Xavier is still a wild card, too.

Is Scarlet Witch still living? I didn't follow House of M so I'm not sure of all the repurcussions. And aren't 2 members of the Young Avengers rumored to be her long-lost, magically-created sons?

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Mon Jun-19-06 01:46 PM

109. "Scarlet Witch is still living"
In response to Reply # 85

Albeit she's in some remote country living with gypsies or something like that.

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Thu Jun-15-06 08:58 PM

91. "RE: Things to keep in mind (speculations)"
In response to Reply # 84

>#1 Nick Fury in the house. This means that strategically,
>Cap's team has the advantage. However, you can't necessarily
>be sure of Fury's motivations. Keep in mind that he did the
>costume folks DIRTY in Secret War last year. I'm kinda
>suprised that Cap is fuckin with him at all. It's possible
>that Fury will flip on everyone to get his SHIELD spot back so
>that he can do more good in the long-term. Speaking of Civil
>War, let's talk about

I think Nick is poising as DD so he can amass his troops (while burning Cap, again) to mount a war against the new SHIELD. Something and/or someone huge is looming above it all.

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86. "Uh...wait.....SPIDER-MAN'S GOT WARRANTS!"
In response to Reply # 0

Awwwww you dumb motherfucker.

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88. "on top of that, now everybody's gonna want to borrow money"
In response to Reply # 86

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Thu Jun-15-06 09:04 PM

92. "The editor speaks. Spoilers!!"
In response to Reply # 0

I refuse to read it but you might want to:
http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/WarRoom/02/CivilWarRoom2.html

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Fri Jun-16-06 06:17 PM

93. "So the Punisher is going to be pro registration act"
In response to Reply # 0

This is gonna be nuts, is he gonna get cleared of all the murders and stuff or what. I mean they basically are going to give him a Licence to kill, and it's SHIELD backed gonna be sweet.

If you check wiki it sems that this might run for the better part of a year I assume.

-Can't wait for Black Bolt and Namor to wreck shit either

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Fri Jun-16-06 06:30 PM

94. "hmmm...does this law even apply to him?"
In response to Reply # 93

I thought it was anyone with 'superhuman abilities' who had to register.

Is murking fools a super power?

And if so why would he support this kind of thing?

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Fri Jun-16-06 07:09 PM

95. "Techincally, then how does it "apply" to Daredevil?"
In response to Reply # 94

As far as Murdock maintains and the people "officially" know, him and Daredevil are different people. So DD doesn't appear to have any powers to the average person who doesn't know his secret identity. As far the average Joe Schmoe would konw, he's just a really agile guy with a great bullshit detector.

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Fri Jun-16-06 07:47 PM

96. "well there's the whole 'heightened senses' thing"
In response to Reply # 95

But I guess as long as nobody *knows* you got super powers, I imagine you'd be safe for the time being.

I'm not getting into that whole 'What is a superhero' thing. I have a pretty inclusive definition and The Punisher fits into it (barely). But the registration act seems more about the powers than anything else. And well, Franky ain't got 'em.

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Sat Jun-17-06 01:51 AM

98. "Check Wiki"
In response to Reply # 96

They say he's pro reg act and is part of Tony's crew that's how they are bringinh back War Journal.... I mean think about it tho Castle with freedom to kill at will. Man we know he's an average joe but he does put in work on fools and you know he prolly already thinks alot of the superhero community are common crimnals too. He's twisted man.

But that Maria Hill chick that runs shield(I thinks thats her name) is shady I'm telling yall that bitch had a hand in getting this shit done and good ol Nick is gonna come back and wreck shit too

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Mon Jun-19-06 10:00 AM

105. "There's a SHIELD file on DD."
In response to Reply # 96

And they consider him to have powers.

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Mon Jun-19-06 06:27 PM

117. "Given Franky don't have powers"
In response to Reply # 96

But he is wanted by multiple agencies and he has military experience and has had a few fights with Superheros and Villians alike. So I figure they consider him on the level to fight these cats ala Punisher kills the marvel universe (Garth Enis classic)

Anyway so I guess folks with magic powers are considered on the list too.

Oh yea and the Wolverine tip isn't he a Canadian citizen? So ain't he free to roam.

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Mon Jun-19-06 06:44 PM

119. "Wolvie ain't free to roam any more than"
In response to Reply # 117

Americans are free to do grafitti in Singapore.

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Sat Jun-17-06 02:06 PM

102. "Allow me to amend my spoiler comment"
In response to Reply # 93

If the issue pertaining to what you're saying hasn't come out, then yes, please alert us to spoilers

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Sat Jun-17-06 04:47 PM

103. "Noted"
In response to Reply # 102

I'll take that in to mind next time I drop something

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Sat Jun-17-06 11:54 AM

100. "On the Cap note"
In response to Reply # 0

They shold bring the Winter Soilder into this. Thats if they can involve "Bucky" that would be sweet in my opinion.

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Sat Jun-17-06 07:40 PM

104. "Aight, I got a guess as to whats gonna happen here..."
In response to Reply # 0

Mary Jane is gonna die.
There is something up with Spider-Man revealing himself too. Is this real or will it be reversed like most things Marvel does (i.e. deaths and changing their minds about things that didn't work out)?
Is Peter really on Tony's side?

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Mon Jun-19-06 10:21 AM

106. "I predict Peter will switch sides"
In response to Reply # 104

That's not a spoiler, just a hunch. Plus if you look at the cover solicits, it's pretty clear that Pete's decision hasn't been set in stone just yet.

They managed to sell the unthinkable with the whole unmasking thing, but no way is Pete gonna ride for that super-prison Reed is designing. I just can't see him being cool with that. So I can see that causing a rift.

Now, Joey Q is all too verbal about his opinion of Pete's marriage to MJ, but I'm not 100% certain Mary Jane is gonna die. I do think they're working towards 'undoing' the marriage in some way, though. We'll see.

Let's not rule out clones.

And finally...yes, of course this change won't last. My only hopes are
1. That they leave it this way for at least a year or two, and milk some good stories from the premise, and
2. That when they finally do put this genie back in the bottle, it's not too terribly deus ex machina (good luck with that)

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110. "joey q has said"
In response to Reply # 106

That they've got spidey's next year planned, and this event will directly effect him for the whole year after CW

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Mon Jun-19-06 05:12 PM

114. "I agree with you, but..."
In response to Reply # 106
Mon Jun-19-06 05:12 PM by phenompyrus

I think MJ is going to die, and that event is going to set Peter off his rocker. Or maybe Aunt May will bite the dust?
Of course they will be undoing it, b/c I cannot see something this big happening to one of comic book's biggest characters without it being reversed.
I am desperately hoping that they don't use a 'clone' like story to explain any of this.
What I want to happen is them to leave this alone and just continue on. I think they can do some pretty sick shit with this idea if they can just run with it and not look back.

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Mon Jun-19-06 05:47 PM

116. "I doubt MJ bites it"
In response to Reply # 114

It just doesn't seem like it will add up . How ever I think JJJ is going to say that Spidey is just faking it and when switches sides he'll be joyous. It's alot of things that are going down but I just think that Spidey's world will be a bit different for the most part with folks knowing who he is.

More like HOM spidey loved by folks

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Mon Jun-19-06 06:50 PM

120. "Hmmm.....HOM......"
In response to Reply # 116

How likely is it that Spidey finally gets acceptance....and it costs him a family member?

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JiggysMyDayJob
Member since Jul 03rd 2002
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Tue Jun-20-06 03:57 PM

123. "Aunt May bites the big one"
In response to Reply # 120

MJ ain't dying. anyway ain't this like IC when they had all the hype about someone going away and all the speculation was that Bats would die or that Bats would be locked up in Arhkam for sometime...... So I'm just going to stick with my HOM theory.

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spades
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Mon Jun-19-06 11:54 AM

107. "I hope Pete does switch sides..."
In response to Reply # 0

Cuz, I just can't see him as Johnny go-along. Still, the unmasking tip was a great angle. I doubt they'll get to MJ, isn't she in Starks tower? How they gonna get here there?

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Mon Jun-19-06 12:08 PM

108. "can I point something out?"
In response to Reply # 0

Don't mistake this for a condescending comic book guy moment, either. Because I actually got busted out on this a couple months ago my damn self.

But it's Tony Stark. Not Starks.

Tony Stark is a member of the Avengers.

Tony Starks is a member of the Wu-Tang clan.

Goddamn hip hoppers!!!

I actually got in an argument with a comic friend of mine not too long ago over it, and I swore up and down that it was Tony Starks. I lost.

Fuggit, I still call him Starks though.

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spades
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Mon Jun-19-06 07:17 PM

121. "RE: can I point something out?"
In response to Reply # 108

Ur funny. I been up on Stark for a long time. I said Starks tower, I forgot the apostrophe Stark's tower...get it.

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Dreadmedia
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Mon Jun-19-06 03:58 PM

111. "the whole spidey reveal is out of chareter"
In response to Reply # 0

like its not something he would ever do his secret identity has been the focus of his charecter sinc ethe begining

anybody care to disagree

in that aspect this really stinks but im interested to see where it goes so far since HOM it hasnt had any pay offs

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buckshot defunct
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Mon Jun-19-06 04:06 PM

112. "a Newsarama excerpt:"
In response to Reply # 111

NRAMA: Okay, fellas, as each of you see it, why did Peter reveal his identity publicly?

Axel Alonso: This was Peter�s show of commitment to the cause. And a show of solidarity with his current mentor, Tony Stark. Peter went above and beyond the requirements of the Superhero Registration Act when he ousted himself to the world.

Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa: For me, it was a question of loyalty, and a very, very personal choice (as opposed to an ideological one, which is what's driving Cap and Iron Man, I feel). Peter feels indebted to Tony for all he's done for him and his family; this is one way of repaying that.

Also, if Peter hadn't revealed his identity, in the new post-Civil War climate, he would've become an outlaw ... on the run. Which wouldn't have been so bad for him, Spidey's used to being reviled, but it would've cut him off from his family, or put them on the wrong side of the law.

Also, Peter's all about vows and ideals. "With great power comes great responsibility." He feels that burden tremendously, and when something is law - or something is made illegal - he takes it extremely seriously.

Peter David: For a number of reasons: Out of loyalty to Tony, and because he had the support of his loved ones. But ultimately, I think what it comes down to is that people like Jameson have been declaring for years that Spider-Man has no regard for the law. If he openly defied the Registration Act, then he would have verified once and for all the worst things that had ever been said about him. I don't think he wanted that to happen.

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Mon Jun-19-06 04:54 PM

113. "Mr. David's take is closest to mine. Also"
In response to Reply # 112

MJ has pushed for this for years. And the only reason to hide before was supervillains.You work for SHIELD, they're gonna find you. And his family is safe as shit for the time being.

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buckshot defunct
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Mon Jun-19-06 05:20 PM

115. "Same here"
In response to Reply # 113
Mon Jun-19-06 05:21 PM by buckshot defunct

The 'loyalty to Tony' angle doesn't resonate too deeply with me, because I think that loyalty is only an extension of his loyalty to his family. Right now Tony is the best bet for keeping his family safe. So he's with Tony. But I think he's a *little* more in control than people are giving him credit for.

And it's not like he didn't struggle with the decision. It's sort of a lesser of 2 evils situation. Shit, Peter was about to empty his bank account and run off to Mexico until Aunt May talked him out of it! Consider his alternatives for a minute. What's he gonna do? Say no to his boss/the federal government? Go rogue? Get Aunt May and MJ kicked out of Stark tower? Have him homeless, jobless, cut off from his fam and possibly imprisoned because that's more true to his character? I'm not seeing it.

Now... just to keep things balanced, we have to acknowledge that those writers interviewed might not necessarily agree with the decision either. But they probably like their jobs, so they're backing it. I know this throws a big wrench into David's plans in particular, so I imagine he's got mixed feelings about it (jeez, does anybody get his storylines fucked up by event crossovers more than this guy?)

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Mon Jun-19-06 06:40 PM

118. "but none of them backed the decision, doggie."
In response to Reply # 115

In the first Amazing Spider-man CW issue, there were lotsa Editors Notespointing out that the staff isn't unified in how they feel about the opposing sides of the event.

Seems to me they've gone out of their way as a company to now publicly state which side they're on, either on the whole or as individual employees. And for good reason.

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dr invisible
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Tue Jun-20-06 03:51 PM

122. "So I picked up 1 and 2 yesterday and read them"
In response to Reply # 0

can someone explain to me why Spiderman has the two different looks - the red and yellow and then the classic? Does he just switch back anf forth? What's with the new one - Stark made it?

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spades
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Tue Jun-20-06 07:13 PM

124. "RE: So I picked up 1 and 2 yesterday and read them"
In response to Reply # 122

I believe the new one allows him to imitate the old one. The new one is bullet proof to small caliber weapons too. Somebody else, more versed in the Marvelverse should be around to tell you the rest.

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Wed Jun-21-06 01:01 PM

125. "Nobody recognizes the new one yet."
In response to Reply # 122

In Civil War: Frontline #1, Spidey creeps into a reporters apartment to give her an exclusive interview, and manages to scare the shit outta her. She didn't recognize the new costume. So of course a motherfucker on stage wearing a costume most folks hadn't seen would take away from the purpose of the press conference.

From Marvel's perspective, though, it was a wise decision because outing himself in the new costume would just make fanse suspect that that would be how Spidey would make the world think later that it wasn't really him onstage.

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Brother Grifter
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Thu Jun-29-06 04:56 PM

126. "RE: Nobody recognizes the new one yet."
In response to Reply # 125

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JRennolds
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Fri Jun-30-06 06:52 PM

128. "New Avengers #21"
In response to Reply # 0

The Captain America show continues, brotha! Falcon was cool as fizzuck and Steve busting Pym's nose was class-sick! Damn, homie is angry, huh? Civil War is spectacular yes! This issue was spectacular...YES! What a great supplement and the SHIELD "Capekillers" are ill too; they remind me of the Prime Sentinels back during "Zero Tolerance."

GOMD

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Fri Jun-30-06 07:02 PM

129. "The Amazing Spider-Man #533"
In response to Reply # 0

Ain't it a bitch being Spider-Man? That was a rhetorical question, doggies! Another stellar CW tie-in with a few "oh shit!" moments. Tony is acting real shady and sure is making Pete his bitch. Great issue even though the Pro-side looks a bit weak...

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Kira
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Fri Jun-30-06 07:59 PM

130. "<----*needs to be spoiled*"
In response to Reply # 129

I'm not coppin til the trade so in the meantime can you spoil a negroe?

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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JRennolds
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Sat Jul-01-06 12:17 PM

132. "Among other things, it foreshadows a throwdown between:"
In response to Reply # 130

Cap and Spiderman, it also shows which side the FF (albiet reluctantly) take and it appears that Starks is really taking "advantage" of the whole situation...

GOMD

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buckshot defunct
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Wed Jul-05-06 11:23 AM

140. "I was surprised to see Sue and Ben up in the squad"
In response to Reply # 132

I wonder how long before that falls apart.

And yeah... Tony's really showing his ass with this one. He was outta line dropping Spider-Man's name at that press conference like that.

I *want* to be torn on the issue... but this past week's tie-in books make it pretty hard to root for the pro-registration side.

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Effa
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Fri Jun-30-06 11:24 PM

131. "tony needs to turn heel or something"
In response to Reply # 0

this is too odd.

i think the goatee has taken over his personality lol.

on a good note though....all the Civil War issues tie in nicely and take account of recent events in other comics.

x-factor/son of m

wolverine doesn't seem to be in 50 places at once either which is good.

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JRennolds
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Sat Jul-01-06 12:21 PM

133. "FF and X-Factor"
In response to Reply # 0

Oooooooooh, Marvel is really making it's tie-ins great. In X-Factor: Quiksilver shows up, a rift is created, Decimation starts to unfold and it is revealed that Madrox is working for SHIELD. FF was ill too; Thor is back, divorce is imminent, Johnny is real fucked-up and Ben goes exploring.

Both issues are real strong reads.

GOMD

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Sun Jul-02-06 09:58 AM

134. "FF really surprised me. Best tie-in so far."
In response to Reply # 133

Reed's gonna fuck around and be all alone on this. It'll be funny when he gets his ass kicked.

I'm really leaning hard towards anti-registration right now. I wonder what's gonna happen midway through this shit to make us see the other side more clearly?

Also, we don't know for sure that's Thor. But yeah, it's Thor. How are they gonna make him register? "Dog, my name is Thor. That's it. Thor. Just write it down, like Madonna." I bet they end up trying to kick Thor outta the country.

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Blinky_Blinx
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Sun Jul-02-06 10:56 AM

135. "i never considered what side thor would be on...interesting."
In response to Reply # 134

i also been wondering how this whole thing is gonna resolve itself.

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Effa
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Sun Jul-02-06 02:24 PM

137. "scarlett witch comes back and says "no more registrations""
In response to Reply # 135

not only is the civil war resolved but college campuses and DMV's nation wide go apeshit

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buckshot defunct
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Wed Jul-05-06 12:46 PM

141. "I can't see Thor giving much of a fuck either way"
In response to Reply # 134

I mean at least in the way I remember him. He seems so above this mortal bullshit.

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Stryfe
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Sun Jul-02-06 12:05 PM

136. "Civil war sucks as a concept for one very simple reason"
In response to Reply # 0

Marvel history shows that knowing who the heroes are, doesnt make a bit of difference when it comes to propertydamage and so on

how many times has avengers mansion been attacked, destroyed and so on
Doom launched the baxter building into space twice
FF HQ gets attacked on the regular

In she hulk 8 iron man gave the bs that if the warriors had been properly trained the tragedy wouldnt have happened
Ddidnt a witch reanimated jack of hearts blow up avengers mansion??

Hell id feel safer being a near a warriors fight then an avengers

Just remember when the avengers fought a ressurection type dud that got back to earth as a walkin sun...in the heart of manhattan...
Or when gladiator attacked the ff and as a result beat the ff trough manhattan
(punching the thing threw several cars and buildings)

would u feel safe???

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Blinky_Blinx
Member since May 30th 2006
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Sun Jul-02-06 05:57 PM

138. "im still kinda new to the whole comic thing, so im not familiar..."
In response to Reply # 136

...with the events you just stated, but when you said these places where destroyed, how many human casulties where there?

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Stryfe
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Mon Jul-03-06 04:01 AM

139. "by some strange coincedence"
In response to Reply # 138
Mon Jul-03-06 04:19 AM by Stryfe

none(or at least none mentioned)

but from my memory
gladiator punched thing through a line of cars and a bus
and punched him through a building
jack of heats exploded in the middle of ny
count nefaria attacked avengers mansion and blew a hole through the wall(wich was there all through the korvac saga)
and didnt the thunderblots blow up their hq in the middle of manhattan as well?

from wikipedia about the baxter building
Ownership
A running joke for years in the title was that the landlord was initially eager to rent out to a superhero team for the publicity and prestige, however, he soon regretted his decision, as the building became a constant target for numerous attacks by supervillains. The attacks made things difficult not only for the Four, but for the other tenants in the lower floors as well. Eventually, Reed Richards decided to invoke a clause of the rental agreement and bought the entire building to avoid eviction.

avengers mansion
Destructions
The mansion has been destroyed twice. The first time was in Avengers: Under Siege when a huge grouping of Masters of Evil, led by Baron Helmut Zemo, attacked the Avengers and destroyed the Mansion and beat Hercules into a coma among other things before being repulsed.

In the immediate aftermath, the Avengers would relocate to a floating platform called Hydrobase, while the former Mansion site became known as "Avengers Park," and was unused, until Hydrobase too was destroyed. Thereafter the Avengers built a new headquarters on the site of the Mansion and resided there until it was destroyed by the Gatherers and Ute, a Watcher enslaved by Proctor brought an alternate reality version of the original Avengers Mansion to the site as he lay dying.

This replacement Mansion would survive various assaults until, in the "Avengers Disassembled" storyline, the Scarlet Witch was responsible for its destruction and in Avengers Finale (January 2005), Stark decided that with his dwindling assets, he could no longer afford to maintain the building and it was abandoned in its derelict state, left as a memorial to the Avengers who had died. The Avengers have relocated to Stark Tower, although it is unknown how permanent this move will be.

back in the days marvel would never mention civilian casualties....just call damage control and its all good...
i think the first time it was mentioned was after Onslaught, where people had been shown to actually die

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Marbles
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Wed Jul-05-06 05:54 PM

144. "I don't think that's very accurate..."
In response to Reply # 136

>Marvel history shows that knowing who the heroes are, doesnt
>make a bit of difference when it comes to propertydamage and
>so on
>
>how many times has avengers mansion been attacked, destroyed
>and so on

The FF are aren't a good example of super-hero identities being in the open. Neither are the X-Men. As far as the Avengers go, most of their friends and relatives are concerned, they're mostly adventurers or SHIELD agents.

For Joe Average cats like Peter Parker, having his secret ID made public could seriously harm the people he cares about. If he's smart, he'll keep MJ & Aunt May living in Avengers HQ.

A few years back the New Warriors, ironically, had a bunch of their relatives kidnapped. I think Nova's brother lost a finger and Rage's grandmother was actually killed.

Peace,

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Stryfe
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Wed Jul-05-06 11:35 PM

145. "i understand"
In response to Reply # 144

The impact something like this would have on the average joe superhero.
But the basic premis of the story is wrong.
The goverment knowing who these people are(wich they already do through SHIELD), wont make the world any safer.No amount of training cant stop something like stanford ever happening again.

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Marbles
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Thu Jul-06-06 09:42 AM

154. "I agree 100%"
In response to Reply # 145

>No amount of training cant stop something like stanford ever >happening again.

I wonder if it was the New Warriors' reality-show angle that pissed so many people off?

And are we sure that they're all dead? Speedball is going to survive but has there been any confirmation on the rest of the team? Nova is gonna be pissed.

Peace,

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Stryfe
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Fri Jul-07-06 01:40 AM

157. "no bodies have been found"
In response to Reply # 154

So marvel can (and should) retcon this disaster
hell ive seen speedball shield people with his kinetic shield before

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Brooklynbeef
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Wed Jul-05-06 04:43 PM

142. "How will the mutants chime in?"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.

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buckshot defunct
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Wed Jul-05-06 04:52 PM

143. "with the power of song"
In response to Reply # 142

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JRennolds
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Wed Jul-05-06 11:59 PM

146. "Am I the only dude on Stark's side?"
In response to Reply # 0

Seriously...

GOMD

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Brother_Afron
Member since Jul 06th 2003
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Thu Jul-06-06 12:03 AM

147. "Probably"
In response to Reply # 146

I thing that always throws me when I read it is how they want SHIELD to train these mofos in the use of their powers. I keep thinking, what the fuck could these non-powered SHIELD cats know about using powers that the people who actually rock them don't?

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JRennolds
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Thu Jul-06-06 12:08 AM

148. "RE: Probably"
In response to Reply # 147

Naww,they don't want to train them. They want to sanction them and register them so that they can be contacted when and if something transpires. They also want to keep them in check. In CW #2, the heroes were doing the same thing they always do but they were just doing it as agents i.e not vigilantes.

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Brother_Afron
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Thu Jul-06-06 02:13 AM

149. "RE: Probably"
In response to Reply # 148

They mentioned training a few times, that I'm sure of.

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JRennolds
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Thu Jul-06-06 11:22 AM

155. "Okay, they'd train the young guns."
In response to Reply # 149

I can't see Stark being down with that; he's a vet.

GOMD

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Stryfe
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Fri Jul-07-06 01:42 AM

158. "in other words"
In response to Reply # 148

turn the heroes in the USA, united states avengers

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KneelB4Me
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Thu Jul-06-06 08:31 AM

151. "Same way Xavier trains the X-Men"
In response to Reply # 147

Charles don't know nothing about claws, but he can design an obstacle course for Wolverine to run through. That's probably how SHIELD would train superheroes, just throw a lot of different weapons at 'em and see how they handle it.

***DEFINITION OF IRONY***
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Brother_Afron
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Thu Jul-06-06 09:26 AM

153. "RE: Same way Xavier trains the X-Men"
In response to Reply # 151

I always figured that the thing that made Xavier so effective was that he was a telepath, actually.

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Marbles
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Thu Jul-06-06 11:59 AM

156. "Most likely..."
In response to Reply # 146

The government will have a trump card on any super-hero who wants to maintain their privacy or protect their families. Basically, this is a "You're working for me, now" tactic. I'd fight it too if I wore a cape.

And it's not like the hero community owes the givernment anything, either.

Peace,

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Fri Jul-14-06 02:28 PM

161. "Captain Nazi^"
In response to Reply # 146

_
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TztqYaemt0
http://preptimeposse.blogspot.com/

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JRennolds
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Sun Jul-16-06 11:19 PM

166. "^^Corporal Ignorant."
In response to Reply # 161

Kidding!

GOMD

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Calico
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Sun Jul-16-06 06:39 PM

164. "i have not seen one convincing argument for stark's side"
In response to Reply # 146

the whole registration plan sounds tottally fucked...whether you use your powers or not, you have to register and basically follow the intrests of shield

..fuck that...

"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

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Mon Jul-17-06 10:54 PM

167. "^^^^republican"
In response to Reply # 146

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Tue Jul-18-06 11:12 AM

170. "^^^^Hippy"
In response to Reply # 167

Joking is fun!

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu Jul-06-06 08:30 AM

150. "Dr. Strange"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.

He is against it but I can't await to see him in the mix.

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu Jul-06-06 08:31 AM

152. "The New Avengers Artist"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.

The art has sucked lately. Bring back the artist of the first six issues.

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Fri Jul-14-06 01:44 PM

159. "Frontline #3"
In response to Reply # 0

Having Speedball talk shit in jail with no powers is FUCKIN AWESOME. Peter Jenkins is good. I have a hard time believing that someone who already risks their life all the time is gonna get stron-armed into being Pro-Reg out of fear of jail.

I'll agree with most others that the "Embedded" story isn't doing much for me. However, the conversation between Ben Urich and Reed Richards was well written, and leans me a little more towards the Pro-Reg side of things.

I'm very interested in seeing where the fish guy story goes, although it sucks right now.

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KneelB4Me
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Fri Jul-14-06 02:18 PM

160. "Ionno about this one"
In response to Reply # 159

>Having Speedball talk shit in jail with no powers is FUCKIN
>AWESOME.

I read a few issues of New Warriors back in the day, and Speedball didn't really strike me as a guy who would be a threat without his powers. However, you're right about him not being afraid. Once you've fought an alien army, the Tossed Salad Man doesn't seem so bad.

He just seems a little too light in the ass to think he could fuck with a hardened criminal without his powers.

***DEFINITION OF IRONY***
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son_of_mr_hankey
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Tue Jul-18-06 08:24 AM

169. "Why is he in jail with adults anyway?"
In response to Reply # 160

Isn't he still a teen?

>>Having Speedball talk shit in jail with no powers is FUCKIN
>>AWESOME.
>
>I read a few issues of New Warriors back in the day, and
>Speedball didn't really strike me as a guy who would be a
>threat without his powers. However, you're right about him not
>being afraid. Once you've fought an alien army, the Tossed
>Salad Man doesn't seem so bad.
>
>He just seems a little too light in the ass to think he could
>fuck with a hardened criminal without his powers.
>
>
>
>***DEFINITION OF IRONY***
>"Non-rappin ass niggas. I'd rather listen to ya
>instrumentals." - Young Jeezy

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Kira
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Fri Jul-14-06 07:35 PM

162. "<----------*needs to be spoiled*"
In response to Reply # 159

What happened???

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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Stryfe
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Sun Jul-16-06 05:32 PM

163. "RE: <----------*needs to be spoiled*"
In response to Reply # 162

people @ marvel dont understand their own characters ,continuity or audience and send our crossover after crossover consisting out of crap

patience is a virtue,but heaven awaits those who prey

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Uatu The Watcher
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Sun Jul-16-06 10:52 PM

165. "UATU balks at you and throws bricks at your dome."
In response to Reply # 163

Marvel is strong, human.

HERE. WATCHING YOU. STOP LOOKING AT ME. I SEE YOU THOUGH.

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Effa
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Mon Jul-17-06 10:57 PM

168. "i love aliases but its so obvious this is Jreezy"
In response to Reply # 165

i mean, who else has the Watcher action figure?

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Thu Jul-20-06 07:57 AM

171. "Civil War #3"
In response to Reply # 0

Obvious question: WHY IS THOR WORKING FOR SHIELD?

2nd obvious question: WHO THE FUCK IS THAT? IT SURE AIN'T MATT MURDOCK. However, at least we've established it ain't Nick Fury (who has yet to actually show his face, by the way. Hmmmmm.....) You Hawkeye fans could tell me better....does that guy look like Hawkeye in a wig?

I hope that all the Iron Spidey costume haters are done hating after this issue. Snatching Cap's shield and whooping everyon's ass with it was dope.

Emma shut it down, too. But NOOOOOOOO Bishop!

Reed Richards....shut the fuck up before I snatch yo bitch.

Glad to see Johnny walking. Wonder why he asked for Sue first? I woulda found a fine nurse if I was Johnny Storm.

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu Jul-20-06 02:58 PM

174. "Thor"
In response to Reply # 171

We don't know whose side he's on.

>Obvious question: WHY IS THOR WORKING FOR SHIELD?
>
>2nd obvious question: WHO THE FUCK IS THAT? IT SURE AIN'T MATT
>MURDOCK. However, at least we've established it ain't Nick
>Fury (who has yet to actually show his face, by the way.
>Hmmmmm.....) You Hawkeye fans could tell me better....does
>that guy look like Hawkeye in a wig?
>
>I hope that all the Iron Spidey costume haters are done hating
>after this issue. Snatching Cap's shield and whooping
>everyon's ass with it was dope.
>
>Emma shut it down, too. But NOOOOOOOO Bishop!
>
>Reed Richards....shut the fuck up before I snatch yo bitch.
>
>Glad to see Johnny walking. Wonder why he asked for Sue first?
>I woulda found a fine nurse if I was Johnny Storm.
>
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Brooklynbeef
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Thu Jul-20-06 03:02 PM

176. "Emma Frost gets around"
In response to Reply # 174

She used to date Starks!? Next thing you'll find out is that she and Galactus had a fling

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KwesiAkoKennedy
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Thu Jul-20-06 03:17 PM

177. "They weren't dating..."
In response to Reply # 176

...just fucking.

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Thu Jul-20-06 04:12 PM

179. "Commander Hill = S.H.I.E.L.D = the woman that gave Thor his cue."
In response to Reply # 174

Thor = The motherfucker with the hammer that opened a can of electric whoop-ass on the anti-reg folks.

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Thu Jul-20-06 04:16 PM

180. "Civil War X-men #1"
In response to Reply # 179

I'll be honest. I don't like mutant books. Way too many characters, way too much shit I don't know about to ever get a good start. The most hard-to-get-into shit I've encountered since I started reading comics.

This doesn't even really seem like a CW tie-in to me, really. Other than Bishop rolling with Tony, this doesn't really feel like it has too much to do with CW. I know, I know.....Cyclops etc are gonna give Cap some much-needed support. That's fine, but it really does feel more like "We need to include the X-men in a starring role, here, Joe."

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Thu Jul-20-06 04:40 PM

181. "YES, THOR RIDES WITH STARKS!"
In response to Reply # 179

HE IS GOING TO FUCK SHIT UP IN NUMBER FOUR THAN THE 500 CAPE-KILLERS SURROUNDING THE AREA WILL FINISH EVERYONE ELSE OFF...

GOMD

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Thu Jul-20-06 05:03 PM

183. "I doubt it's that simple. Nobody thought Thor was gonna roll with reg."
In response to Reply # 181

I'll be honest, I've almost given up trying to predict what's happening next. I'm obviously not gonna get close.

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Brooklynbeef
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Fri Jul-21-06 05:38 PM

192. "The Sentry vs. Thor"
In response to Reply # 183

>I'll be honest, I've almost given up trying to predict what's
>happening next. I'm obviously not gonna get close.

I think the Sentry is too powerful but don't be surprised if he rolls up to beat down golden boy.

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Fri Jul-21-06 07:10 PM

194. "actually, Sentry is golden boy. Golden Man, if you ask Hulk."
In response to Reply # 192
Fri Jul-21-06 07:10 PM by Invisiblist

but yeah, if Sentry rolls with Cap, then it may be a wrap for Thor. But I believe Sentry is rolling with Tony. Regardless, I don't think they'll get Sentry TOO involved unless Hulk shows up.

Oh shit, what if Hulk shows up? He's gonna tear Tony and Reed apart.

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Thu Jul-20-06 04:42 PM

182. "OH SNAP! A DAREDEVIL GLITCH?"
In response to Reply # 171

Matt Murdock wears red glasses, "he" wasn't rocking them here. Has Cap and/or his crew picked up on this yet?

GOMD

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Fri Jul-21-06 02:05 PM

186. "I don't think 'he' is fooling anybody"
In response to Reply # 182

Cap and nem have got to be in on the secret. It's just US who don't know shit.

What was so genius about that scene was that ALL of those dudes were in disguise (peep Steve Rogers and Hercules looking like The Village People), so even though we saw fake-DD unmasked, we still have no clue whatsoever as to who he *really* is. The red hair was probably a wig.

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Fri Jul-21-06 07:12 PM

195. "Cap's very familiar with Matt's real face in person."
In response to Reply # 186

So......yeah. Besides, everyone knows that Matt's in jail, and everyone knows that Matt is DD even if it hasn't been proven. They assume.

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Fri Jul-21-06 07:19 PM

196. "'zaktlee"
In response to Reply # 195

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JRennolds
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Fri Jul-21-06 08:41 PM

199. "Wait, so they're in on it too? I'm confused."
In response to Reply # 195

Please elaborate!

GOMD

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Fri Jul-21-06 08:54 PM

200. "everybody knows Matt Murdock is in jail"
In response to Reply # 199
Fri Jul-21-06 08:55 PM by buckshot defunct

And damn near everybody knows Matt Murdock is Daredevil (Cap would know this for a fact)

So who is this guy? Nobody seems concerned but us readers. Don't you think Cap would turn around at some point and be like 'heeeeey waiiiiit a minute!'

I really don't get the idea that fake-DD is tricking Cap and his crew. I'm assuming that A.) this is happening more or less at the same time as the current Daredevil-in-jail arc and B.) the rebel forces know who the fake DD is

I mean, nobody's called him "Matt" or anything yet, have they?

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:09 PM

202. "Yo, Nick! Holla at an insurgent."
In response to Reply # 200

Or it's CLINT....dun! dun! duuuuuuuuuuuuun!

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:03 PM

217. "here's what i figure..."
In response to Reply # 200

they don't really care who's playin Daredevil (either side)...both sides don't think Mat should be locked up and they ALL have to know that the imposter is good for the whole "Daredevil ISN'T Matt" angle...they all know this guy ISN'T matt, but like i said, no one says anything about it cause the new DD helps Matt's caar...

in fact, with what happened to Matt after being exposed i'm surprised any other hero would wanna volunteer their IDs to work for wack ass SHIELD...

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Sat Jul-22-06 03:56 AM

222. "Look y'all, I'm pretty sure THAT Daredevil is Matt Murdock"
In response to Reply # 186

Call it a hunch, but I honestly don't think Millar is paying much attention to DD continuity, just like DD isn't crossing over in Civil War. Have they even mentioned Matt Murdock is in jail in any Marvel title outside of DD? Trust, that's Murdock on Cap's side.

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Thu Jul-20-06 02:51 PM

172. "FOREST FIRES OF WAR!!!!!!!! (SPOILERS)"
In response to Reply # 0

Civil War #3
IRON MAN SPLINTERED THE FUCK OUTTA' CAP???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!
That was some hardcore shit and to make things worse: THOR is back and on the Pro-side. Shit looks real bleak for the resistance and the MU in general. This is my runner-up for COTW because it was just sooooooo gangster! Millar is the best action/slugfest writer in the medium. He excels when given the task to execute over-the-top, fucked-up slam-fests. CW is that fiyah right now and I'm all about the tie-ins. The new IDs scene was awesome and the DD isht was very "bizarre?" I cannot wait to see what goes down next. The art gives me hives of love!

X-MEN CIVIL WAR #1
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXPECTATIONS BUT........THIS WAS FIYAAAAH/PIFF!
What a great and fascinating read! So the X-Men are on their own side; it makes sense and is extremely captivating. It was insanely fresh seeing Domino, Shatterstar and Bish get their seeze on. I loved everything about this issue and the ending was real cool. I get the impression that Emma is being fucked with or she is up to some dastardly isht herself. The dialogue was great, the story was fun and the direction is very promising. I am hyped, for reals!!!!

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Fri Jul-21-06 02:14 PM

188. "the energy in #3 was really reminding me of the Ultimates"
In response to Reply # 172

And it's not even halfway done. We're in for some serious 'oh shit' moments, methinks.

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Thu Jul-20-06 02:56 PM

173. "What I hope Marvel won't do..."
In response to Reply # 0

I hope this Registration Act is not just a ploy by a very powerful, reality or mind altering villain.
I mean, Marvel has really done some shit already, with the heroes choosing sides, fighting at the end of #3, and of course the unmasking of Spider-Man.
I am just thinking about how cool Avengers Dissassembled was when it hit and how hyped I was when they announced New Avengers and I saw that first cover with Spider-Man and Wolverine. But now, Hawkeye and Vision are both already back, and Marvel is slowly bringing back all of the older characters back into continuity.
I had high hopes for House Of M as well, and all that accomplished was depowering the mutant population. But the big characters who lost their powers or were teased as to losing their powers (Magneto, Archangel, Iceman, Polaris) all have their powers back already. And we all know that Professor X is gonna be a telepath again.
Civil War feels different already, but my fears are still there because of the past few BIG events that Marvel has done.

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Fri Jul-21-06 04:07 PM

191. "Not like Marvel would ever cop to it"
In response to Reply # 173

But I think they know House of M was a piece of shit and they're trying their best to sweep it under the rug and forget about it...

I understand your reservations, but at this point I'm not too worried. So far this shit has been pretty great

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Thu Jul-20-06 03:01 PM

175. "#3 just now?"
In response to Reply # 0

What, are they running these monthly?

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Thu Jul-20-06 04:10 PM

178. "how in the hell are you gonna complain about monthly?"
In response to Reply # 175

Shit, if it actually DOES come out monthly, that's better than DC usually does with their big shit. I think. Shit, I wait 2 months for new Ultimates. I'm too bothered by something coming out every month.

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Thu Jul-20-06 06:01 PM

184. "Is anybody shocked by Bishop's choice?"
In response to Reply # 0

Dude been a straight-up law and order type from day one. It's only natural he plays good boy and gets in line with the man.

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mrhood75
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Sat Jul-22-06 03:57 AM

223. "Like you said, it fits into his character"
In response to Reply # 184

He's a cop from the future, makes sense he'd line up with Law & ORder

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:20 AM

185. "Why hasn't anyone mentioned Cap's ethering of Spider-Man?"
In response to Reply # 0

"What does Mary Jane think of you giving Sandman her zip code?" (Or something to that effect)

I'm a bit upset that they made Ms. Marvel look so shallow by pretending to be concerned about the X-Men and trying to garner thei support at the same time. I would think it's a bit out of character but she's been thru a lot.

It's also a bit odd that the X-Men are staying neutral. Doesn't the Super-Powers Regsitration Act end up having the same effect as the Mutant Registration Act from a few years ago? The X-Men railed against that one.

Black Panther senses that something is wrong in Reed's marriage, 5000 miles away and without talking to Sue. Reed Richards is a loser and always has been.

It's odd that we haven't seen Spider Woman, Wolverine or Sentry since Civil War started.

Peace,

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Fri Jul-21-06 02:12 PM

187. "only MJ *WANTED* Pete to unmask"
In response to Reply # 185

Not to say Cap didn't have a point...because he certainly did. But given the circumstances I didn't find his statement to be too terrbily etherious. That was just foul on Cap's part, really. He knows that's Peter's biggest fear. Kinda sleazy, I dunno.

And let me say this, per issue Number 3... I'm just a *little* put off by Cap's hot headedness. I mean, yeah they were set up, and no way was SHIELD gonna just let them all walk away... but Tony offered his hand, and it seemed like he was really on the level about reaching a peaceful agreement. Cap reacted with a cheap shot and just made matters a whole lot worse for everybody involved.

So I'm still on the fence.

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Marbles
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Fri Jul-21-06 03:29 PM

189. "Cap defense inserted inside this post..."
In response to Reply # 187

>And let me say this, per issue Number 3... I'm just a *little*
>put off by Cap's hot headedness. I mean, yeah they were set
>up, and no way was SHIELD gonna just let them all walk away...
>but Tony offered his hand, and it seemed like he was really on
>the level about reaching a peaceful agreement. Cap reacted
>with a cheap shot and just made matters a whole lot worse for
>everybody involved.

I thought the same thing at first but Cap had a point. If they wanted to talk, they shouldn't have lured them there under false pretenses and then taken out 2 of Cap's team. And there were SHIELD snipers everywhere. Nothing peaceful about that. Tony could have easily put out the word that he wanted to talk to Cap and Cap would have honored the request.

I'm 100% behind Captain America. In fact, I'm learning to like him a bit more. I've never really followed him except when he's a member of the Avengers. I always was put off by the "rah-rah America" ideal that I thought he represented. The fact that he'll stand against the government when he feels he needs to bumps him up several notches in my mind.

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Fri Jul-21-06 03:58 PM

190. "in war, everyone's an asshole"
In response to Reply # 189

I think that's the basic thesis of this crossover.

So I have trouble rallying behind anything 100%

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Fri Jul-21-06 07:24 PM

198. "since Nixon was prez,"
In response to Reply # 189

Cap has been riding more for what America is supposed to be than what it is. If that means he has to choose, his choice is already made. It is hitting him hard, though, that he feels his country has turned on him directly.

> I'm 100% behind Captain America. In fact, I'm learning to
>like him a bit more. I've never really followed him except
>when he's a member of the Avengers. I always was put off by
>the "rah-rah America" ideal that I thought he represented.
>The fact that he'll stand against the government when he feels
>he needs to bumps him up several notches in my mind.
>
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Fri Jul-21-06 07:22 PM

197. "hold up,"
In response to Reply # 187

Cap didn't let loose a cheap shot. Tony did.

#1 The first cheap shot was when Commander Hill, acting on behalf of the U.S. government, had a buncha cape killers try and neutralize cap just for disagreeing with orders. After that, Cap has a right to be paranoid. He's been on the run since.

#2 Tony ambushed Cap's squad, and had MAD S.H.I.E.L.D. copters there. Don't get "one last chance at amnesty" confused with "we're gonna let all y'all walk away from this one". If that was the case, Tony coulda came alone, or at least not with all the S.H.I.E.L.D. backup, and DAMN SURE without THOR. Cap's no dummy. Which brings me to...

#3 If Cap KNOWS he isn't gonna wanna hear what Tony has to say, then fuck his five minutes. Might as well get the drop on 'em, because it's gonna end in a fight anyways. Those helicopters ain't there to talk. And those tranquilizers were made to keep them there for the fight instead of avoiding it. Like I said, if it was just a convo, they coulda set up Cap just for Tony to come alone. SHIT, they coulda got Cap a letter or something somehow.

Cap wasn't acting outta place. He was acting like someone that knows a setup to get wet up when he sees it!

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:11 PM

203. "this is what I get for seeing both sides of the argument!!"
In response to Reply # 197
Fri Jul-21-06 09:15 PM by buckshot defunct

Now I gotta defend myself to all y'all mawfuckas!!

>Cap didn't let loose a cheap shot. Tony did.
>
>#1 The first cheap shot was when Commander Hill, acting on
>behalf of the U.S. government, had a buncha cape killers try
>and neutralize cap just for disagreeing with orders. After
>that, Cap has a right to be paranoid. He's been on the run
>since.

Okay, but that's Commander Hill, not Tony. And that scene actually says a lot for Tony's side of the argument, if you think about it. Obviously the government is willing to play dirty. Tony's whole steez right now is, let's give them an inch before they try and take a mile. Because SHIELD don't give a fuck...TRUST me, they want a LOT more than what Tony's looking to give them. Tony's not really WITH them so much as he's trying to reach a peaceful compromise and take the heat off all the capes before shit really gets out of hand. Cap on the other hand, is just wylin' out. And it's fanning those flames...

>#2 Tony ambushed Cap's squad, and had MAD S.H.I.E.L.D. copters
>there. Don't get "one last chance at amnesty" confused with
>"we're gonna let all y'all walk away from this one". If that
>was the case, Tony coulda came alone, or at least not with all
>the S.H.I.E.L.D. backup, and DAMN SURE without THOR. Cap's no
>dummy. Which brings me to...

You think SHIELD was gonna let Tony just stroll up in there without them? Like I said, those assholes are putting the pressure on, and Tony is stuck in the middle. And everytime Cap pulls some shit, it puts Tony in more and more of a bind. It's gonna get to the point where no compromise can be reached, and then EVERYBODY'S fucked. Including Tony.

>#3 If Cap KNOWS he isn't gonna wanna hear what Tony has to
>say, then fuck his five minutes. Might as well get the drop on
>'em, because it's gonna end in a fight anyways. Those
>helicopters ain't there to talk. And those tranquilizers were
>made to keep them there for the fight instead of avoiding it.
>Like I said, if it was just a convo, they coulda set up Cap
>just for Tony to come alone. SHIT, they coulda got Cap a
>letter or something somehow.

Yeah they should have just sent Cap a candygram and a cookie bouquet. That would have done the trick.

...PLEASE!!!

>Cap wasn't acting outta place. He was acting like someone that
>knows a setup to get wet up when he sees it!

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:20 PM

205. "^^^Exactly! Cap is just wilding for the Hell of it!!!"
In response to Reply # 203

Tony is trying to keep his peeps out of deeper shit; that's all!!!!!

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:23 PM

207. "Not true. I can see both sides. I'm about 50/50 right now."
In response to Reply # 203

>Okay, but that's Commander Hill, not Tony. And that scene
>actually says a lot for Tony's side of the argument, if you
>think about it. Obviously the government is willing to play
>dirty. Tony's whole steez right now is, let's give them an
>inch before they try and take a mile. Because SHIELD don't
>give a fuck...TRUST me, they want a LOT more than what Tony's
>looking to give them. Tony's not really WITH them so much as
>he's trying to reach a peaceful compromise and take the heat
>off all the capes before shit really gets out of hand. Cap on
>the other hand, is just wylin' out. And it's fanning those
>flames...

You're crazy. Tony is a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, albeit a high-ranking one. He doesn't outrank Hill, though. If it's S.H.I.E.L.D. policy, then as far as Cap knows, it's Tony policy. His boy's already shitting on him in the press.

>You think SHIELD was gonna let Tony just stroll up in there
>without them? Like I said, those assholes are putting the
>pressure on, and Tony is stuck in the middle. And everytime
>Cap pulls some shit, it puts Tony in more and more of a bind.
>It's gonna get to the point where no compromise can be
>reached, and then EVERYBODY'S fucked. Including Tony.

Exactly. Cap knows this. He's not gonna compromise, and he knows what Tony, as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, is required to do, and he's not willing to get captured or killed.

I'm not saying that Cap or Tony is right. I'm just saying the shit is on right now, so there's no logical reason that Cap would do anything other than what he did in issue 3. Shows Tony he's serious, that's for damn sure. Also (if you wanna expand into real-world tactics) this gives Cap a real psychological edge on Tony, because Tony was so taken aback by it. Motherfucker was SHOCKED! (lol....teehee)

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:39 PM

213. "I hear you man"
In response to Reply # 207

But I think Commander Hill is shady as shit and on some level, Tony knows this. He's making deals with the devil right now but there are some people you'd rather have inside your tent and pissing out than vice versa. It's for the greater good.

Meanwhile, we have Captain America making an even BIGGER mess about things, and while he seems very tactical in the *now*, I don't see that his thinking is all that 'big-picture'. For example, pulling that shit on Tony when he was so ridiculously outgunned? Okay, it looked cool...but ultimately it was fucking stupid. And really, if he was truly standing for 'everything that makes America great', don't you think he would at least make an *attempt* at diplomacy at some point? Without a greater game plan, the dude's just throwing a tantrum.

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:17 PM

218. "then they are not "superheroes," simple as that..."
In response to Reply # 203

Super means above, beyond, over, and often against, what one supercedes and transcends when one IS a superior being. Heroism consists in being self-sufficiently effective in an act of unexpectd and unrewarded sympathy and compassion. A sanctioned government agent cannot, nor even a citizen in general(a member of a civilty), by definition be a hero. Superheroes either ARE the law or are above the law that they create, give meaning to, and justify. They do not ever merely follow the law. That is fact. There is no "evolution" to the role of the superhero. One either is or is not a hero. A hero does not submit himself to an authority his very existence is meant to be the correction and perfection of. Every human law arrives broken; it exists in its own incapacity to be the full implementation of itself--thus the role of the superhero, something over-human, non-civil,and extra-ordinary. A democracy does not have the power to legislate greatness, even if it tries. Oh yeah, and go cap!!! register that...(just kidding)

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Sat Jul-22-06 05:35 PM

229. "take that shit to activist!!!"
In response to Reply # 218

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shockzilla
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Fri Jul-21-06 09:16 PM

204. "tony wasn't after a peaceful agreement-"
In response to Reply # 187

he was after cap to capitulate

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:21 PM

206. "look at it this way, man... you can't fight city hall"
In response to Reply # 204

Especially when city hall is a muthafuckin SHIELD Helicarrier, ya dig!!

Tony's just trying to mediate the situation right now...And in a sense, his little witchhunt might be the only thing protecting Captain America from a star spangled casket. Because an ass kicking from Iron Man beats a bullet in the dome from SHIELD snipers any day of the week.

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:26 PM

208. "^^Sees the light."
In response to Reply # 206

Cap's little underground theatrics are so pointless.

GOMD

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:28 PM

209. "You should take that motherfucking Boots Riley avy down NOW."
In response to Reply # 208

If you're riding for City Hall and listen to Dead Prez, you can't ride for city hall. Doesn't work. Boots would be ashamed.

>Cap's little underground theatrics are so pointless.

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:33 PM

211. "Reality: The government CAN fuck you!"
In response to Reply # 209

If you're poor, a minority and uneducated: YOU will get fucked. This is fiction though and Cap is just being a bitch. All these fools are going to get murked because he refuses to follow rules intended to help him. Real simple!

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:49 PM

214. "so it's better to just suck the rapist's dick instead of getting an ass ..."
In response to Reply # 211

Fuck that. None of the above.

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:59 PM

215. "LOL!!! You get so heated over these comics, buddy."
In response to Reply # 214

Crazy?

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:18 PM

219. "war is hell, son."
In response to Reply # 215

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Sat Jul-22-06 09:14 AM

226. "but neither of our recent arguments have been comics arguments."
In response to Reply # 215

"Black Captain America: Off the chain? Or awful pain?" <--comic argument

homophobia <--not a comic argument
civil liberties <--not a comic argument
conflicting interests in art and personal philosophy <--not a comic argument

I'm just sayin. If you're gonna ride for City Hall but listen to Dead Prez and put a Boots Riley autograph in your sig, then it's hard to have a non-comic discussion because you're repping to opposite point of views every time you post.

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Sat Jul-22-06 02:33 PM

228. "ARGH!!!!!!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 226

Shit isn't black and white with me. I'm a republican, I hate the police, I'm anti gay marriage but pro-choice, I'm an atheist but I believe in divine intervention, I don't support my local government, the majority of my peeps are vandals and I think the Bush administration fucked up with Katrina but I strongly support the war on terror.

All I'm saying is we get caught up over this fictitious bullshit and lose ourselves in real issues; this shit is getting stupid, man.

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Brother_Afron
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Sat Jul-22-06 09:39 PM

230. "RE: ARGH!!!!!!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 228

> I'm an atheist but I believe in divine intervention, >>

That's...not...possible.

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shockzilla
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Sat Jul-22-06 11:10 PM

236. "i don't agree"
In response to Reply # 228

>All I'm saying is we get caught up over this fictitious
>bullshit and lose ourselves in real issues; this shit is
>getting stupid, man.

i mean, i'd hope that debate can remain more civil than war-like, but art should inspire & provoke us to think about real issues

and given that marvel's civil war thematically echoes debates that have been raging in real life, it would seem only natural that lines are blurred in these discussions.

let's just try to ensure that we respect each others' rights to hold opposing views and keep the vitriol to a minimum.

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:00 PM

216. "and you're crackin jokes about Lebanon?"
In response to Reply # 211

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Sat Jul-22-06 05:13 AM

224. "What of it? It doesn't change the fact that dude is a..."
In response to Reply # 216

...pissy little baby! LOL!

For reals though, fuck Hezbollah! It's Iran and they aren't joking around.

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Sat Jul-22-06 05:22 AM

225. "EDIT: What do you guys do to fuck the system?"
In response to Reply # 224

How do you fight back? Thought so. Get real, guys!

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Sat Jul-22-06 09:49 PM

232. "yeah, fuck those women and kids in Lebanon!"
In response to Reply # 224

and isn't siding with Shield the same as siding with the police?

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Sat Jul-22-06 10:32 PM

235. "Fuck Hezbollah for putting them in harm's way."
In response to Reply # 232

Terrorists are cold heartless bastards. Israel could be going at them alot harder right now but they're holding back and *trying* to keep civilian casualties to a minimum.

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Sat Jul-22-06 11:12 PM

237. "how do you feel about nelson mandela?"
In response to Reply # 235

wasn't he a 'terrorist'?

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Sun Jul-23-06 12:28 PM

245. "Hear."
In response to Reply # 237

Mandela lead the resistance against the Aparthied. He united a people and preached non-violence. He was a rebel that was needed, not a terrorist.

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Sat Jul-22-06 11:51 PM

241. "they can't disarm Hezbollah this way"
In response to Reply # 235
Sat Jul-22-06 11:53 PM by DrNO

Does the kidnapping of two soldiers justify Israel to plunge a nation (one with a fledgling, possibly pro-west, democracy) into misery?

And why do you supposedly hate cops? Outside of an enthusiasm for graffiti you seem to be all for them.

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JRennolds
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Sun Jul-23-06 12:23 PM

244. "Here."
In response to Reply # 241

>Does the kidnapping of two soldiers justify Israel to plunge
>a nation (one with a fledgling, possibly pro-west, democracy)
>into misery?

It's bigger than that. Iran is funding, Hezbollah; Hezbollah kidnapped the troops. Israel is flexing their muscle against the real problem i.e. Iran. They are making a political statement saying, "we will get you no matter where you are and however you intend to harm us. Iran wants Israel wiped off the map...

>And why do you supposedly hate cops? Outside of an enthusiasm
>for graffiti you seem to be all for them.

You answered your own question.

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:20 PM

220. "this just seems appropriate- the muthafuckin' D"
In response to Reply # 209

All you people up there in City Hall,
You're fuckin' it up for the people that's in the streets.
This is a song for the people in the streets,
Not the people City Hall.
All you motherfuckers in the streets it's time to rise up,
Come along children and fuckin' rise!

Lots of times when me and KG are watchin'
All the fuckin' shit that goes down at City Hall,
We get the feeling we should fuck shit up,
Yeah we should fuckin' start a riot.
A Riot!

We have 'em screaming in the streets,
we have 'em tippin' over shit and breakin' fuckin' windows of small businesses,
and settin' fuckin' fires!
and settin' fuckin' fires!
and settin' fuckin' fires!

And then after the smoke is cleared,
and the rubble has been swept away,
me and KG will peek out our heads.
We've been watching the riots on a monitor twenty floors below sea level,
from a bunker.

We did it Rage-Kage, we beat the bastards of City Hall!
But now what will we do?
We must rebuild. But who will lead us in the rebuilding process?
Man, it's got to be someone with the know-how
and the elbow grease to lead us to a new land.
No, not me and KG, we don't have the cognitive capacity to lead...
Alright, we'll do it!

We'll lead as Two Kings,
We'll lead as Two Kings.
Ahhhaaa (Two Kings, we'll lead as Two Kings)
Ah-ha ah-how,
We'll lead as Two Kings.

The first decree is to legalize marijuana.
The tyranny and the bullshit's gone on too long.
You old fuckin' shrivs who blocked it's legalization,
you're banished from the land!

We'll lead as Two Kings,
We'll lead as Two Kings.
Ahhhaaa (Two Kings, we'll lead as Two Kings)
Ah-ha ah-how,
Lead as Two Kings.

The second decree: no more pollution, no more car exhaust,
or ocean dumpage. From now on, we will travel in tubes!

We'll lead as Two Kings, oh, yeah,
We'll fuckin' lead as Two Kings.

Get the scientists working on the tube technology, immediately.
(Tube technology.) Chop, chop, let's go.

Third decree: no more... rich people: and poor people.
From now on, we will all be the same... ummm, I dunno,
I gotta think about that...

We'll lead as Two Kings
Ah yeah, ah yeahhhahahaha.
Ha-ha-ho-hee, ha-ha-ho-hee-ha-ha-ho-ho-ho-ho.

Oh my God.
Ahh... What?
Dude, the red phone is flashing.
Oh, yeah.
Let me scoop that up. Hello? Two Kings.
Who is it?
What?! No! No fucking way!
What?
Rage, there's a potato famine in Idaho, you gotta go down there!
Oh my God... what?
Dude, I gotta stay here!
Why do I have to go?
Please! Please!
Oh, God, okay.
Awesome... is he gone? Alright, emergency meeting of Parliament.
All right Parliament, I know this is fucked up,
but Rage, he can't be King anymore.
Dudes, he's encroaching on my decrees!
Seriously, let's make him "Duke," a kick ass "Duke."
Or "leader formerly known as King," but-- uh-oh he's comin' back...

We'll lead as Two Kings, oh yes
we'll really lead as Two Kings.

Uh, dude?
Rage.
I went all over Idaho...
Yeah?
Uh, plenty of potatoes everywhere.
What? There was no famine?
Yeah, there was no famine, no.
Dude.
I don't know what's uh...
A toast...
A toast...
Long live the "D."
Long live the "D."

Long live me. I'm sorry, I poisoned your wine.
What?
For the good of the land.
You p-- I poisoned yours... huh heh, as well.
Noooooooooo!!!!!
No!

City, city, city, city, city, city, shitty.
Shitty, city, shitty, shitty, city, city, shitty.
Hall, hall, hall, hall, hall, hall, hall, hall.

People inside me are askin' me to smoke up City Hall,
'Cause no one here is talkin'.
People inside me are askin' me to blow up City Hall,
'Cause no one here is rockin'.

People inside me are askin' me to blow up City Hall,
'Cause everyone is Rock-'em Sock-'em Robots.
Everyone is Rock-'em Sock-'em Robots.
Everyone is Rock-'em Sock-'em GO! OH!

Don't, cut that part out.

We've got it.

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:29 PM

210. "^^sleeps with a copy of the Patriot Act under his pillow^^"
In response to Reply # 208

FIGHT THE POWER!!!!

(what can I say, I just like to disagree!)

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Fri Jul-21-06 09:34 PM

212. ""The night is mine, again"- An alias"
In response to Reply # 210
Fri Jul-21-06 09:36 PM by JRennolds

Gotta stay cryptic but yeah, I think the Patriot Act is vital....you Hezbollahs!

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Fri Aug-04-06 09:21 AM

300. "So basically civil liberties mean shit to you"
In response to Reply # 212

I just dont get you man, everything you say is a contradiction. Youre pro-vandalism and pro-authority, yet your anti-authority? And please stop regurgitating this "I'm hip-hop" nonsense, you are the very antithesis of hip-hop. Trust me, Boots Riley and Dead Prez would be appalled that you listen to their music given your political leanings. I'm not trying to pile on or start a fight but your beliefs are just to frustrating to try and digest.

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Fri Aug-04-06 11:53 AM

301. "Hear me out."
In response to Reply # 300

Yes, I'm Republican in all my views. Yes, I'm pro-graff but anti-vandalism. Graffiti, to me, is the deconstruction/reclaimation of public space; artists simply take back what we, the public, pay for and make it their own. Plus, the public space that we pay for via taxes is visually unappealing, add art and it isn't. Writers actually embrace their freedom more than others.

Also, I won't play the HIPHOP CARD but it plays into it all. Hiphop is about individualism, graff is about expressing who you are on space you pay for. Not all writers share this view, there are those that write simply because they're anarchists and/or vandals.

I realize I'm complex but there is no black or white!

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Fri Jul-21-06 07:07 PM

193. "Wolverine was in CW #1, and has had two solo CW issues since."
In response to Reply # 185

He's been tracking down Nitro against Iron Man's orders. His solo CW stuff is really dope, actually.

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Fri Jul-21-06 08:55 PM

201. "RE: Why hasn't anyone mentioned Cap's ethering of Spider-Man?"
In response to Reply # 185

> It's odd that we haven't seen Spider Woman, Wolverine or
>Sentry since Civil War started.

I think we can assume Spider Woman is on Cap's side. She's down with Fury after all (I think). I assume the X-Men will back Wolverine up when the time comes and if this is tied in with Astonishing at all we can't trust what Emma Frost says(where was cyclops? she was speaking for him).

Who's the Human Torch gonna side with?

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Fri Jul-21-06 10:27 PM

221. "Couple things about #3"
In response to Reply # 0

Cap is right...shit is foul, this war and underhanded shit is everywhere...if ANYBODY knows how people act in war, it's Cap...

...Tony is wack....the armor remembers every move Cap ever made??? that was really wack on the writers part...

spider man was dope...just seing him giving orders to the support was an interesting change of pace for the character, and then him fucking up cap of all people was dope too...

Thor isn't neccesarily on ANYONE's side....Tony was already winning, so if if Thor's on their side WHY send him in?? and he knocked damn near everyone out...

why didn't janet want hank to grow big??

...the x-men are some scared bitches...they know damn full well that SHIELD won't just "levem them out of it"...

the fellas havin dinner under new ID's was dope too...

and Cap has a point...if MJ and Spidey think they're lives are gonna be easier after the reveal, they've got another thing coming....and i can't WAIT to read all about it....the backlash will be huge....

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Sat Jul-22-06 09:16 AM

227. "the Spidey situation is there to exemplify the classic philosophy"
In response to Reply # 221

"Anyone that gives up freedom for safety deserves neither." We will see this soon, I'm sure.

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Sat Jul-22-06 09:46 PM

231. "Y'all are blaming Cap now?"
In response to Reply # 0

He's wil'ing out? He's making the situation worse?

All that man is doing is fucking up supervillains.

Tony Stark is the type of politician that sees making labeling black folk as 3/5 of a human is a valid compromise.

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Sat Jul-22-06 10:29 PM

234. "no one is being treated as sub-human here"
In response to Reply # 231

They're just holding the capes to the same standard as anyone else.

It's not the same thing as a mutant registration act. If you can shoot lazers out of your eyes, that's fine. But once you make the decision to use those powers to fight crime or whatever, that's when the government is going to step in. At least, that's my understanding of the situation.

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Brother_Afron
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Sat Jul-22-06 11:13 PM

238. "RE: no one is being treated as sub-human here"
In response to Reply # 234
Sat Jul-22-06 11:17 PM by Brother_Afron

Well, I wasn't saying they were being treated as sub-human, I was just describing how Tony is making a compromise with the goverment just because they would want to do worse, doesn't make it better.

Gotta edit to ask that from what I understand of the Act, if you use your powers, then you have to register. Doesn't matter if you're an active superhero or not.

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Wed Jul-26-06 03:56 PM

252. "They've been a little too vague about this:"
In response to Reply # 238

>Gotta edit to ask that from what I understand of the Act, if
>you use your powers, then you have to register. Doesn't matter
>if you're an active superhero or not.

Marvel would've been well-served to actually draw up a real registration act, not only as a promotional item, but also so that we can all be sure what we're talking about. Unless, of course, that's part of the point in not really drafting one. Maybe the differences in how everyone talks about the act (do you have to unmask? can you just quit being a vigilante still have powers? what if you just wanna be the most awesome construction worker ever?) are on purpose, to reflect the real-life public's eagerness to discuss without educating themselves.

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Wed Jul-26-06 04:41 PM

255. "RE: They've been a little too vague about this:"
In response to Reply # 252

That makes sense, it really could be vague on purpose. Especially since they've been likening it to the Patriot Act.

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Sat Jul-22-06 11:18 PM

239. "irrelevant tangent: how many marvel superheroes"
In response to Reply # 234

actually have capes?

certainly not NEARLY as many as those who don't

that 'cape-killer' term seems a little odd then, even if it echoes 'cop-killer'

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Sat Jul-22-06 11:32 PM

240. "RE: irrelevant tangent: how many marvel superheroes"
In response to Reply # 239

I was wondering about that myself. Even if you added super villains into it, Marvel barely has any caped people. Then the "killer" part sounded a bit extreme. I'm not riding for the registration side, but even I thought that was over the line (and as I typed that I imagined Dave Chappelle quiting SHIELD and going to Wakanda).

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Wed Jul-26-06 02:40 PM

247. "^^^^true. Let's not exaggerate, folks."
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Wed Jul-26-06 04:42 PM

256. "see reply 238"
In response to Reply # 247

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Sat Jul-22-06 10:20 PM

233. "let's think about this little political analogy being spun"
In response to Reply # 0

Now we've been reading these super characters for years, decades even. We *know* they are good dudes. We also relate to them on some level. And thusly, when we read Civil War, our first instinct is to identify the political overtones and think "Oh, hey, this is analogous to what's going on in the world right now, and these superheroes must be analogous for us"

And for low-to-moderately powered cats like Spider-Man and Daredevil, yeah, that kind of makes sense. They're just regular dudes trying to make their communities better places to live. With their fists.

But then you got your Thors and your Hulks and even your Iron Mans. I just have trouble seeing these cats in the same metaphorical context. I'm just not convinced that they represent the average American citizen (or whatever), and therefore I'm not exactly sure what liberties they should really have.

What if Millar isn't using these heroes as analogies for Joe Q. Public at all? What if they're weapons of mass destruction, instead? You support registered firearms, don't you?

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Sun Jul-23-06 12:00 AM

242. "well. outside of Cap and Iron Man"
In response to Reply # 233
Sun Jul-23-06 12:01 AM by DrNO

who both stand for American principles (freedom and capitalism--here kind of a neocon version) the really big guns seem to be somewhat outside. We don't know what Thor is going to do (isn't he tied up with Doom somehow? Or did that plan go awry in FF?). The Hulk IS being treated as a WMD.
I think the Cap vs. Iron Man thing is a strong analogy for our times. But I do suspect Millar has something else up his sleeve.
He does really hate the Hank Pym's of the world after all. Do we have a similar figure in Civil War?

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Mon Jul-24-06 10:49 AM

246. "interesting"
In response to Reply # 242

I hadn't really considered that whole Iron Man = Capitalism angle, and how he too might be a symbol of American values (albeit slightly different values than what Cap is repping at the moment)

But I'm totally with you in that I think Millar hasn't revealed his true intentions to us just yet. Things are not what they seem?

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Brother_Afron
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Sun Jul-23-06 12:51 AM

243. "The illuminati special"
In response to Reply # 0

Now I know we're only 3 issues into Civil War but seriously was that Illuminati special remotely relevant? It really has no bearing on why the war kicked off. It wasn't even needed to establish Planet Hulk since Shield woulda screwed him over anyway.

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Wed Jul-26-06 08:47 PM

262. "it sets up Namor for something i think"
In response to Reply # 243

that's pretty much it though. but yeah, i think it kinda sets up Namor so that when they eventually bring him in later it isn't on some out-of-left-field-wtf type thing.

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Wed Jul-26-06 09:47 PM

267. "It sets up Namor and Black Bolt siding with Cap"
In response to Reply # 243

If you think about it, so far Iron Man's side has almost all the heavy-hitters. And by heavy-hitters, I mean all the super-strong, super-powerful cats. The Pro-Reg side has Iron Man, SHe-Hulk, Thing, Hank Pym as Goliath, and Thor. Cap's squad only has Hercules and Black Golitah. Namor and Black Bolt will eventually provide a little balance. Plus Human Torch, when he eventually recovers.

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Wed Jul-26-06 10:13 PM

269. "Thing is not pro-reg anymore. He's rolling with Yancy Street."
In response to Reply # 267

Peep: Fantastic Four #538

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Wed Jul-26-06 10:33 PM

272. "I remember that, but he was on the pro-reg squad in CW #3..."
In response to Reply # 269

...even though he sounded conflicted. He might eventually flip, but that won't happen until #5 or so.

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Wed Jul-26-06 10:55 PM

273. "nah, he musta flipped after the fight in #3, because"
In response to Reply # 272

they make a point of saying that he's not doing what you think he is in Amazing Spider-man this week, when they take the convoy onto Yancy Street.

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Wed Jul-26-06 02:41 PM

248. "Front Line #4"
In response to Reply # 0

Embedded: Part Four - I'm still tickled at Jenkins's use of Typeface. Also, I'm very confused about Norman Osborn's status. How often are we gonna flip-flop on whether he's locked up or not, folks? Can someone gimme a timeline? Was the last time we saw him that time he got Spidey to break him out in Marvel Knights Spidey and then the Avengers locked his ass right back up?

The Accused: Part Four - This is a really good story. So, does he still have his powers or what? Are they dormant because he's psyched out over the incident? Anyways, great writing on Jenkins's part. I guess Speedball's roomie knows something we don't.

Sleeper Cell - OH SHIT. What a great fuckin concept.

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Wed Jul-26-06 04:38 PM

253. "So who are all of these heroes in the hidden cell?"
In response to Reply # 248

I have only heard of Solo, and I didn't think he was even still around.

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Wed Jul-26-06 09:45 PM

266. "buncha no-names. Typeface, Network, etc."
In response to Reply # 253

As far as Solo's status, Jenkins is notorious for being lenient on continuity.

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Wed Jul-26-06 09:49 PM

268. "The brotha is Battlestar"
In response to Reply # 266

He was the "sidekick" to the fake ultra-right wing Captain America that was around in the late '80s, who eventually became US Agent. Hmm, I wonder what happened to him.

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270. "we should expect a US Agent appearance."
In response to Reply # 268

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Wed Jul-26-06 10:20 PM

271. "I'm surprised he isn't around already"
In response to Reply # 270

Dude would be pro-reg to the core.

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Wed Jul-26-06 03:06 PM

249. "Wolverine #44"
In response to Reply # 0

This Wolverine shit is the best tie-in I've ever read. I really like how we see Namor's role in everything for the first time in two separate issue dropping this week. (The other being Frontline)

Wolvie as detective always makes me happy.

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Wed Jul-26-06 04:39 PM

254. "I agree 100%."
In response to Reply # 249

This book is fucking awesome.
I cannot wait to see Wolverine appear in the main CW book.

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Wed Jul-26-06 07:23 PM

260. "I ain't cop it yet but"
In response to Reply # 254

>This book is fucking awesome.
>I cannot wait to see Wolverine appear in the main CW book.

How the hell cauckle head survived Nitro's blast. Nitro reduced him to a skeleton like the Sentinel did in Days of Future Past. Logan never have been reduced to skeleton an came back like that. Don't answer it, i'll check it out.

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Wed Jul-26-06 03:18 PM

250. "Amazing Spider-man #534"
In response to Reply # 0

JMS has got his Spidey swagger back. Awesome. AWE-SOME.

First and foremost, there are people other than Peter, MJ and May that know about his spider sense. I'm sure of it. I gotta do my research, but I'm certain he's mentioned it to other heroes. I'm not saying he ever told Tony, but shit, if he's told other heroes he may as well have told every hero.

Suggestion: Don't read this issue before CW#4 drops. We already know who makes it out of the fight at the end of #3 if you read this first. Bad planning. Everything's so tightly packed across the titles, though, maybe they had no choice.

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Wed Jul-26-06 04:47 PM

257. "This had me thinking of all sorts of conclusions for CW..."
In response to Reply # 250

Reading this all the way through had me thinking that Spidey may not be the one to switch sides when all is said and done (although it is still very likely). That hero may very well be Thing, who was hinted as playing a larger role seeing that the editors tell you he isn't doing what you think he is doing.

Another possibility is this: I flipped through this months DD to see who the new DD was, and I came to an interesting conclusion: What if Marvel switches Matt Murdock and Peter Parker's identities so that both could effectively be superheores with secret identities again? I think that is a cool concept: Peter Parker as Daredevil and Matt Murdock as Spider-Man. If you really think about it, it could work until they switch back after all is said and done with the CW and Registration Act.

As far as the death in #4, my money is going to Hercules or Falcon. I also don't see Goliath making it very far. The captured heroes were probably the Young Avengers and Cable.

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Thu Jul-27-06 02:03 PM

279. "My thoughts."
In response to Reply # 250

Yes, this issue was filler, but cot-damn was it not great? The interaction between Cap and Pete was well done and very emotive. I love the introvert that Peter has become in the thick of the war and Cap continues to ride hard. Sure it spoils CW #3 but it also sets up #4. The Blackhawk Down scene has a ton of potential and Starks is beginning to come off as more of a villain than a hero. Still, he is right and the rebellion is unnecessary; both sides better reach a comprimise real quick...

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Fri Jul-28-06 11:37 PM

288. "some really good stuff in these pages"
In response to Reply # 250
Fri Jul-28-06 11:37 PM by buckshot defunct

I'll be very interested to know how Tony got the 411 on Petey's powers. Although, didn't he have Pete hooked up to all types of gizmos towards the end of 'The Other'? Wasn't he monitoring Pete's powers and trying to help him figure out what was going on? I might assume that's where Tony learned about spider-sense before I jumped to more skullduggerish conclusions. Just goes to show you how tense the situation is.

And the Cap-SpiderMan fight was a thing of beauty. Cap is such a hero and inspiration througout the MU, it's hard to step to him as an adversary and not feel like a 5 year old who got caught with his hand in a cookie jar. On the other hand, Cap will smack your momma with no remorse, so long as it fits his ideals.

I dunno man... it really feels like Pete could change sides any minute now....But would that be much of a twist? Every issue Tony seems more and more assed out. Pete leaving his side wouldn't be that much of a twist.

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Thu Aug-03-06 09:14 PM

295. "Maybe through Shield"
In response to Reply # 288

remember in Avengers 21 when the Shield telepath probed Peter.

>I'll be very interested to know how Tony got the 411 on
>Petey's powers. Although, didn't he have Pete hooked up to all
>types of gizmos towards the end of 'The Other'? Wasn't he
>monitoring Pete's powers and trying to help him figure out
>what was going on? I might assume that's where Tony learned
>about spider-sense before I jumped to more skullduggerish
>conclusions. Just goes to show you how tense the situation
>is.
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>And the Cap-SpiderMan fight was a thing of beauty. Cap is such
>a hero and inspiration througout the MU, it's hard to step to
>him as an adversary and not feel like a 5 year old who got
>caught with his hand in a cookie jar. On the other hand, Cap
>will smack your momma with no remorse, so long as it fits his
>ideals.
>
>I dunno man... it really feels like Pete could change sides
>any minute now....But would that be much of a twist? Every
>issue Tony seems more and more assed out. Pete leaving his
>side wouldn't be that much of a twist.

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Wed Jul-26-06 03:34 PM

251. "New Avengers #22"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Jul-26-06 03:36 PM by Invisiblist

OH MAN. I didn't expect that Bendis would be able to write so much Luke Cage dialogue so WELL. This is my COTW, btw.

Favorite moment: Tony saying, "Oh, COME ON!" and throwing his hands up when Luke played the race card. And a very well-played race card it was, Luke. I can't count the number of times I've seen folks throw up their hands in that EXACT way and saying that line that EXACT WAY when discussing race. I could just hear Tony's voice getting all high-pitched. Perfect.

P.S. Yu did GREAT fitting so many panels in. Lotsa action and talking to fit in.

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Wed Jul-26-06 04:51 PM

258. "Definately the COTW..."
In response to Reply # 251

This and the last issue may be the best 2 issues of New Avengers yet.
With all of the stuff that has happened in CW and tie-ins so far, I was under the impression that Iron Man and company were the stronger of the 2 sides b/c of the firepower that he seems to be wielding. But after this issue, and seeing Luke Cage in action, I am thinking Cap may pull the upset.
The dialogue (thanks Bendis) and fight sequences (thanks Lu) were PERFECT. Luke Cage is one bad motherfucker.
I am hoping that Bendis keeps bringing the heat with the rest of New Avengers Dissassembled.

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Wed Jul-26-06 06:30 PM

259. "Incredibly enough..."
In response to Reply # 258

I am going on record and co-signing a Bendis penned issue as COTW.

My only beef was Yu's pencils on the last half of the book. If he has time to draw this, then I'm guessing its not his fault that Wolverine vs. Hulk is late.

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Wed Jul-26-06 08:25 PM

261. "Yeah I heard Lindelof is busy on his day job"
In response to Reply # 259

I don't watch Lost though, so it don't mean shit to me. Crank out that 3rd issue, bitch!!

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Wed Jul-26-06 08:51 PM

264. "RE: Yeah I heard Lindelof is busy on his day job"
In response to Reply # 261

Word, when Ultimates is ahead of you, you know you're fucking up.

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Thu Jul-27-06 12:23 PM

278. "Regarding the CW issues of New Avengers."
In response to Reply # 258

New Avengers #21 was a fire, New Avengers #22 was a full-on 1,000,000 acre wildfire. Although I don't sympathize with the pro-side, I really felt where Cage was coming from. He is a man of strong convictions and that is very respectable; he put evrything he has on the line and sacrificed his peace in order to do what was right in his mind. Throwing the couch threw the door, on to the Cape-killers, was the most intense and raw thing I've seen from Marvel in a minute. The ending was real good too; Common's "Sixth Sense" began playin my mind. This comic is spectacular; Bendis is killing NA on CW. Major props!

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Wed Jul-26-06 08:50 PM

263. ""oh COME ON" is the best comic moment in a minute"
In response to Reply # 251

loved it.

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Wed Jul-26-06 09:40 PM

265. "it's funny to see a guy like Stark do/say something like that."
In response to Reply # 263

It really drives home the point of how emotional the situation is when someone that coolheaded slips into "Oh, COME ON!" mode. lol

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Wed Jul-26-06 11:28 PM

275. "I don't think it so unusual..."
In response to Reply # 265

...in the context of the storyline, he's showing an extra amount of entitlement here. Remeber, he's a rich white industrialist. He got his eye on someting and if registration goes through, he gets exactly what he wants. Or at least the beginning of what he's looking for.

"I know what's good for everyone. Just do as I say, follow MY rules and it's all cool."

"That's some slave shit Tony..."

"OH COME ON!!!!"

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Thu Jul-27-06 10:22 AM

277. "If we could post pictures in our sigs"
In response to Reply # 263

I'd have that panel under the Alan Moore quote

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Wed Jul-26-06 11:25 PM

274. "Surprisingly good dialogue..."
In response to Reply # 251

...for a black character.

Bendis has screwed the industry again. All white writers need to step their minority dialogue game up stat.

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Fri Jul-28-06 11:45 PM

289. "jesus, this issue was GREAT. And I was SLEE-PING"
In response to Reply # 251

Yu's art really put off that gritty, ominous vibe. And, like everybody's already pointed out, Bendis brought it with the dialogue. "OH COME ON" felt perfect. I thought Tony bringing up Cage's criminal past was kinda tacky. Fuck that guy.

Another nice touch was that Cage wasn't down with the Registration Act, but at the same time wasn't too quick to jump over on the anti-side with Cap. He seemed to take more of a T'Challa role, just trying to mind his own business. Dude couldn't even chill in his own house without being hassled. It added some depth to the dilemna- a nice reminder that civil wars often have more than 2 sides. And those who sit on the fence have the tendency to get fucked both ways.

This issue sort of changed the way I perceived the registration act (I assumed that those with no interest in super-heroing need not apply. Guess I was wrong) and it definitely has me leaning back towards the anti-side.

I'm riding with Cage. For this week, at least.

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Thu Aug-03-06 10:06 AM

293. "Late pass comments..."
In response to Reply # 251

I think that we all noticed that Cap�s team had an obvious number of black characters (Falcon, Black Goliath & Cage) and we could all figure out the parallels between this rgeistration act and the civil rights struggle.

But I *love* the fact that they came out and dedicated an issue to it. I didn�t expect this at all.

The neighborhood folks taking on SHIELD was a nice touch. Cage is definitely �The People�s Champ.� He really appears to be setting himself up to be a major player in the Marvel Universe.

As a fan of Ms. Marvel, I want to see how her friendship with Jessica Jones plays out.

The art made Jessica Jones look too old.

Civil War is pulling away from Infinite Crisis very quickly.

Peace,

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Thu Aug-03-06 10:17 AM

294. "seems to me CW has already pulled into an insurmountable lead."
In response to Reply # 293

CW would have to fall WAAAAAAAAAY off for IC to win. And with the Spidey, Wolverine, F4 and Frontline books out there....well, it's pretty much a wrap, and we're only three issues in. AND it's been coming out on time.

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Fri Aug-04-06 09:39 PM

306. "let's not forget there's some space shit going down too"
In response to Reply # 294

Annihilation is killing that Rann-Thanagar garbage.

Yep, the MU is having itself a lovely little crisis.

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Thu Jul-27-06 12:48 AM

276. "CW: Young Avengers and Runaways #1"
In response to Reply # 0

Short synopsis:
Cape-hunters are everywhere, a few get knocked and the Runaways come to the rescue. SHIELD shows up, bullets fly, dudes flee and one gets murked. The throwdown is broadcasted, the YA crew sees this and want to reach out...Cap doesn't! Fuck Cap, they do and tempers flare as intentions are wrongly interpretted.

I LOOOOOOOVED this comic; it was real strong and easily the dopest tie-in yet. It is heavy on the dialogue but the action is straight slam-bang carnage. This looks to be a thrilling ride...

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Thu Jul-27-06 02:54 PM

280. "Does anyone think that a HUGE character is going to bite the dust?"
In response to Reply # 0

I mean, Spider-Man and Wolverine (btw, where the hell is he in the main book?) are completely safe seeing as how they are the biggest things Marvel has ever had and now both of them are at the height of their popularity.
But what about Iron Man or Captain America? I mean Tony Stark or Steve Rogers, and then have someone else take up the mantle. I think it would be cool to kill Rogers and bring back Isiah Bradley as Cap.

Also, I really hope that this Registration Act sticks around after CW. I mean, if it is law, how the hell would Cap and his side not make it law?

Finally, I wonder how long Marvel plans to keep Spider-Man's ID public... This is one of those BIG things that seems like there is no way to solve unless they just keep him as a public hero. I also think it would be interesing to have Peter Parker and Matt Murdock switch up the costumes for a while so that each could gain back their respect under their own masks.

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Thu Jul-27-06 03:15 PM

281. "I do and I'm thinking it's CAP."
In response to Reply # 280

His death will inspire those around him and yadda, yadda, yadda...

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Brooklynbeef
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Fri Jul-28-06 08:38 AM

282. "Can't believe I was cheering for Cap"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.

In his battle with spidey. Showin the youngin how its done.

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Fri Jul-28-06 08:41 AM

283. "The Anti Reg Top Guns"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.

From the Spidey issue it seems that they got captured.

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Fri Jul-28-06 02:28 PM

284. "Does anyone know if Daredevil"
In response to Reply # 0

is current with this whole CW thing cause I read the latest issuse and it exposed the faked DD to be *SOPILER*
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Oh yea I think Spidey might changes sides pretty soon cause CAP gave him da Riot Act in a real way.

OH yea Luke Cage is the GOAT man that brotha needs his own comic again and not that corny blackploxtation version either cause he put it down in the NEW AVENGERS.

Another thing since THOR is back does that mean the rest of Asgard is back as well? And was I the only one readinr Ares??? That comic was pretty good I just wish they would finish it and I heard that it had to do something with CW.

Last but not least... Maria Hill, this bitch her. Does anyone think she's a spy for someone on some ol Secret War shit?

Oppps almost forgot.... in the Young Avengers/Runaways thing, for those that read it *Spoiler*
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.................. what of the Vision Ultron merger (forgot the runaway kid's name) but that seems to be some important shit.

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Fri Jul-28-06 03:58 PM

285. "RE: Does anyone know if Daredevil"
In response to Reply # 284

I'm pretty sure its still Iron Fist in the costume. If Matt showed up and joined Cap's side, I figure Iron Fist would just drop the act and resume as his own persona, but since he's nowhere in sight...

Spidey is definitely switching sides. What's a war without a turn coat.

Iron Man has become the classic Marvel-style villain. Doesn't even know he's doing wrong.

I read the first two issues of Ares but got bored with it for the same reason I got bored with Underworld: just have no interests in seeing Gods running around rocking glocks.

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Fri Jul-28-06 07:06 PM

286. "RE: Does anyone know if Daredevil"
In response to Reply # 285

>I'm pretty sure its still Iron Fist in the costume. If Matt
>showed up and joined Cap's side, I figure Iron Fist would just
>drop the act and resume as his own persona, but since he's
>nowhere in sight...
Thanks for clearing that up cause I thought that I was alone on that one
>Spidey is definitely switching sides. What's a war without a
>turn coat.

>Iron Man has become the classic Marvel-style villain. Doesn't
>even know he's doing wrong.
LOL Iron Man is the greatest as the "villain" this whole thing has torn PTP apart. Iron Man is going to lose this one I think...

>I read the first two issues of Ares but got bored with it for
>the same reason I got bored with Underworld: just have no
>interests in seeing Gods running around rocking glocks.
You have a point about Gods rocking glocks but I figure he's the GOD of War and just uses whatever conventional weapons are around at the time. However he's a bad mofo if you ever pick up the other 2 issues plus I was reading it cause they kept saying he had a tie to the CW somehow, Only thing I see is that Herc is in both comics

Speaking of Iron Man since Rhodes is a top dude in the O*N*E thing and has his own lil WarMachentinal is he gonna team up with ol tony for a mutant run?

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Brother_Afron
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Fri Jul-28-06 07:24 PM

287. "RE: Does anyone know if Daredevil"
In response to Reply # 286

>>Iron Man has become the classic Marvel-style villain.
>Doesn't
>>even know he's doing wrong.
>LOL Iron Man is the greatest as the "villain" this whole thing
>has torn PTP apart. Iron Man is going to lose this one I
>think...
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Hmmm, I think Tony is gonna pull out a win on this. For some reason I believe it when they say the Marvel U is gonna change (for atleast 5 months) after its all said and done. I figure that the Registration side would need to win out in order for that to happen. Or maybe I just like heroes saving peeps whether the gov't give the go ahead or not.

>>I read the first two issues of Ares but got bored with it
>for
>>the same reason I got bored with Underworld: just have no
>>interests in seeing Gods running around rocking glocks.
>You have a point about Gods rocking glocks but I figure he's
>the GOD of War and just uses whatever conventional weapons are
>around at the time. However he's a bad mofo if you ever pick
>up the other 2 issues plus I was reading it cause they kept
>saying he had a tie to the CW somehow, Only thing I see is
>that Herc is in both comics
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I never faulted the story because he was bucking off rounds. It makes complete sense that the God of War would be the nicest in any weapon he held.
I hear that Ares is supposed to join a team, so maybe that'll factor into CW.

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>Speaking of Iron Man since Rhodes is a top dude in the O*N*E
>thing and has his own lil WarMachentinal is he gonna team up
>with ol tony for a mutant run?
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One thing about Rhodey is that he considers Stark his boy, but won't hesitate to tell him to shut the fuck up, so he would potentially be a wild card. However, he is basically herding mutants into a pen, so I doubt he'd see registration as a big deal.

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Sat Jul-29-06 01:46 PM

290. "UATU SAYS: READ THIS MONTH'S WIZARD."
In response to Reply # 284

THE ANSWERS TO MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE MANIFESTED THEMSELVES IN THE PAGES I.E. THE MIGHTY AVENGERS ARTICLE...

HERE. WATCHING YOU. STOP LOOKING AT ME. I SEE YOU THOUGH.

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Thu Aug-03-06 09:17 AM

291. "Fantastic Four #539"
In response to Reply # 0

JMS is getting the luxury of luxuries during CW. He gets to write two tie-in books and have them both use a majority of the same dialogue.

The biggest reason that I wasn't really feeling this issue as much as recent F4 issues is because so much of it didn't feature ANY F4 members. Lotsa villains, lotsa other heroes....no Reed, Sue, or Johnny, and not much of Ben. If you take only the pages where Ben has lines, he's only in like 6 pages. Seemed like a whole lotta retelling of the last Amazing Spider-man just to get to Ben's decision to leave the country.

However, I will say that the scenes with The Thinker and Puppet Master were superb, and there were a couple of things that scare me about CW.

Uh........how much of a coincidence is it that The Thinker placed Spider-man on the front of the truck, and then Iron Man did exatly that? Outside of the extremis virus, Tony's not super-powered. They made a point out of explaining that Puppet Master has a hard time nowadays controlling super people....but could he control Tony? It would be kinda weak to go that way, because the scenes where Tony's talking to himself about doing the right thing wouldn't make sense.

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Thu Aug-03-06 09:55 PM

297. "If they go that route I am going to be EXTREMELY dissapointed"
In response to Reply # 291

Now you have me thinking that Marvel is going to stoop low like that, taking the easy way out.
Shit.

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Fri Aug-04-06 09:33 PM

304. "mind control is lame. A couple other theories:"
In response to Reply # 291

>Uh........how much of a coincidence is it that The Thinker
>placed Spider-man on the front of the truck, and then Iron Man
>did exatly that? Outside of the extremis virus, Tony's not
>super-powered. They made a point out of explaining that Puppet
>Master has a hard time nowadays controlling super
>people....but could he control Tony?

A. First of all, we can't neglect that the dude's name is THE THINKER. Meaning, he had better be smart. So hopefully, this was just a backwards way of showing just how good a strategist this Thinker guy is. He knows his opponents, he knows where they're gonna be standing. To be one step ahead of Tony Stark is pretty damn impressive. So this could have been a simple case of villain clout-establishment.

B. JMS might be the first mate, but let's not forget it's Mark Millar who is steering this ship. And that dude loves to pull the rug out from under your ass. The Puppet Master is actually controlling....CAP!!!

C. Red herring. Move along, people.

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Thu Aug-03-06 09:46 AM

292. "Black Panther #18 (just got around to it)"
In response to Reply # 0

I liked it. Sure a lotta nothing happened, and the writing of the BET hosts was annoying as shit (but BET hosts, for the most part, ARE annoying as shit, so maybe the writing was spot-on), and the Panther God scene coulda had a lot more substance, but there were enough highlights.

1) Kitty and Storm all hugged up with their titties out. Ah yeah.

2) The Tony Is An Asshole Show: deleted scenes. How are you gonna tell T'challa that he can't meddle with American affairs when you specifically had Reed ask him to MEDDLE IN AMERICAN AFFAIRS? Regardless, stfu, Tony.

3) The political implications of the wedding.

4) Man-ape stole the show. Spider-man helped that a lot. I appreciate Hudlin continuing a joke that started in The Other in the month he was writing it. That was awesome.

5) I can't wait to see the Doom stuff that happens.

Downsides...

Wasn't big on the WWE wedding entrances.

Maybe I'm not familiar enough, but I just can't imagine Wakandans saying "Your wedding entrance was awesome! You KILLED IT!"

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu Aug-03-06 09:21 PM

296. "Wolverine: How he came back?"
In response to Reply # 0

Can somone explain to me how Logan came back after being disintregrated to Adamantian bones? The Healing factor is good but not that good. I all my career that was the biggest hit he ever taken an he comes back like nothing ever happened.

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Thu Aug-03-06 10:02 PM

298. "Well... it is one of them..."
In response to Reply # 296

There was an issue of X-Men, Uncanny X-Men Annual #11 I think, where some villain completely destroys Wolverine except for a drop of blood. This blood drips onto some power crystal which, matched with his healing factor, rendered him complete again.
Shit, Wolverine has...
Had his face shot off by Punisher,
Been run over by a steamroller in that same issue,
Been crucified by the Reavers,
Had his skin melted off multiple times,
Burned in the sun with Phoenix,
Had his adamantium ripped through open wounds and the pores of his skin in the infamous X-Men #25 by Magneto,
Been ripped in half in the Ultimate universe by Hulk,
Been beaten brutally by a number of people,
Successfully managed to unhatch and kill a Brood inside of his body before it infected him,
AND has managed to survive through all of it.
You say Xavier or Phoenix are the most powerful mutants?
SHEEEIIIT... Wolverine at least hasn't been killed or crippled.

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Brooklynbeef
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Fri Aug-04-06 08:43 AM

299. "RE: Well... it is one of them..."
In response to Reply # 298

In the first point, it was the crystal that super enhanced his healing factor.

As for burned in the sun, Phoenix telekinetically controlled his molecules.

The other stuff amount to mere flesh wounds

>There was an issue of X-Men, Uncanny X-Men Annual #11 I
>think, where some villain completely destroys Wolverine except
>for a drop of blood. This blood drips onto some power crystal
>which, matched with his healing factor, rendered him complete
>again.
>Shit, Wolverine has...
>Had his face shot off by Punisher,
>Been run over by a steamroller in that same issue,
>Been crucified by the Reavers,
>Had his skin melted off multiple times,
>Burned in the sun with Phoenix,
>Had his adamantium ripped through open wounds and the pores of
>his skin in the infamous X-Men #25 by Magneto,
>Been ripped in half in the Ultimate universe by Hulk,
>Been beaten brutally by a number of people,
>Successfully managed to unhatch and kill a Brood inside of his
>body before it infected him,
>AND has managed to survive through all of it.
>You say Xavier or Phoenix are the most powerful mutants?
>SHEEEIIIT... Wolverine at least hasn't been killed or
>crippled.

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Fri Aug-04-06 05:19 PM

302. "Quesada said today that this will be explained in Wolverine #48"
In response to Reply # 296

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spades
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Fri Aug-04-06 08:57 PM

303. "RE: BULLLLSHITTTTTT!!!!!!!"
In response to Reply # 0

Cap hit's Spidey 3 times and Spidey on scratches him? GTFOOHWTBS! Cap has no superhuman abilities, and Spidey is 15 times faster than a normal human, add the sense and there's no-way Cap's fuckin' w/him.

Come on, Marvel, you can do better than that.

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Fri Aug-04-06 09:34 PM

305. "Cap was punching out evil dictators"
In response to Reply # 303

When Uncle Ben was still trying to get to second base with Aunt May.

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spades
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Sat Aug-05-06 05:00 PM

307. "RE: Yeah, Cap's old, I get it"
In response to Reply # 305

That still doesn't explain what is obviously a huge logical gap here.

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Brooklynbeef
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Wed Aug-09-06 06:30 PM

308. "No Broham"
In response to Reply # 303

>Cap hit's Spidey 3 times and Spidey on scratches him?
>GTFOOHWTBS! Cap has no superhuman abilities, and Spidey is 15
>times faster than a normal human, add the sense and there's
>no-way Cap's fuckin' w/him.
>
>Come on, Marvel, you can do better than that.

Cap isn't the average human. Remember the super soldier serum. Plus Cap has the edge in hand to hand combat. Spidey relies on his quickness but Rodgers had mastered numerous martial arts plus he knows pressure points.

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Wed Aug-09-06 06:45 PM

309. "he's taken punches from the Hulk"
In response to Reply # 308

I'm pretty sure he can handle Spider-Man

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spades
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Wed Aug-09-06 10:31 PM

310. "*Get's geek on*"
In response to Reply # 0

Although there was a time when Cap had superhuman abilities. He has none now. He is at top Athletic prowess levels. Go to Marvel.com and check it out if you don't believe me.

Cap, cannot fuck w/Spidey. Spidey's been Spidey since he was 15, Are you really gonna tell me dude hasn't learned how to fight by now. Again I say

GTFOOHWTBS

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Wed Aug-09-06 11:22 PM

311. "fine, maybe Spidey was holding back out of respect for his elders"
In response to Reply # 310

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Wed Aug-09-06 11:26 PM

312. "Yes."
In response to Reply # 311

*Walks out of post w/ nose in the air*

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Wed Aug-09-06 11:32 PM

313. "NEWMAN!"
In response to Reply # 312

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Fri Aug-11-06 09:52 PM

317. "Spidey ALWAYS holds back, though. ALWAYS."
In response to Reply # 311

Dude can throw trucks. He always shits down Doc Ock with a jawjack. 2+2=4

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Fri Aug-11-06 12:45 AM

314. "Civil War: Frontline #5 and the tie-ins. WHY THEY SUCK, PTP!!!"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Aug-11-06 12:46 AM by JRennolds

I'll cut to the chase here, although 80% of the tie-ins have been beyond enjoyable, am I the only one who feels like the story is getting way too ahead of itself in-between issues of the actual Millar-penned mini?

It's starting to irk me but I will go on record and say the YA/Runaways and CW: X-Men joints seem very self-contained and un-spoileriffic!

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Fri Aug-11-06 08:06 AM

315. "I agree"
In response to Reply # 314

I would've preferred to read about Reed and Tony's prison in the main book, it seems like a pretty big plot point to me. It's like Superman trying to send Batman to the Phantom Zone because they disagree on the Patriot Act or something.

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Fri Aug-11-06 08:35 PM

316. "Thunderbolts #103 and FF #539"
In response to Reply # 0

Thunderbolts #103
I still remember back in '94, or something, my first foray into superhero comics; Thunderbolts #1 was my intro, kind of.

Dudes turned out to be the real bad dudes posing as the newest sensationalized heroes? Hands down one of the more gangster reveals in comicbook history. I remember the first year of the series when Zemo was about to take over the world but Cap and his squad foiled their attempt to.

Awwww, the pre-teen years....ice cream trucks! Anyway, this is the first issue I have read since #17 (my last one due to monetary restraints at the time) and not a damn thing has changed. Sure the characters have evolved and Bagley is gone but ay, ZEMO is still up to his bastard ways. Tony Starks has him and his crew taking out supervillains under the act; little does Tone know: Zemo has already begun and is building an army with his soon-to-be brainwashed detainees.

Now to the more pressing matter at hand, what book should I drop so I can Re-up with Thunderbolts?

Fantastic Four #439
I felt like I read this in that last ASM joint. Oh well, this shit got me real nervous about Civil War and the possibility that Tony is being mind-controlled by the whack juice-bathing Mort of the Month, The Thinker. If that turns out to be the case, I swear to the GODS, I will drop all my MU books. I hate cop-outs and whack/contrived bullshit like that. Let's hope that is not the case because CW is my joint right now. Oh yeah, Ben Grimm is going to Canada to start Alpha Flight....lame ending!

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James Edward
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Fri Sep-08-06 06:14 PM

318. "I'm going to masturbate to this all night."
In response to Reply # 0

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CivilWar/04Pre/CivilWar04Pre.html

9/20 is not far away at all. I don't even feel like it's been that long since the last issue, now. I'm ready to buy this, and Wolverine issue still coming on time helped keep my head in CW.

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Fri Sep-08-06 07:24 PM

319. "9/20 feels very far away to me,"
In response to Reply # 318

but I'm REALLY digging this book.

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KwesiAkoKennedy
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Fri Sep-08-06 08:10 PM

320. "Oh my damn..."
In response to Reply # 318

Can't wait to see how THAT plays out.

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James Edward
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Fri Sep-08-06 10:21 PM

321. "I like how Cap was the hardest motherfucker on the planet,"
In response to Reply # 320

then you saw him lying in Falcon's arms like a newborn fuckin baby, god!

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Fri Sep-08-06 11:01 PM

322. "Is, is he dead?"
In response to Reply # 321

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Wed Sep-20-06 05:06 PM

323. "Civil War #4"
In response to Reply # 0

aka Like a Newborn Fuckin Baby, God!

quick wrap-up

Goliath is dead.

Sue and Johnny have left the FF. We also know that Thing leaves the country right after this issue. Reed is alone.

Thor was a clone, and not under control to the extent that Reed had hoped.

Peter's behavior post-Goliath death is not unnoticed.

So, let's see. First of all, I only got two things this week, and although I have yet to read it a second time, I don't think this issue is COTW for me. I think perhaps reading the newsarama preview took some of the air out of it for me. However, Millar really shined with the Sue Storm stuff in the middle of the book. Well done. The list of "last things before I leave" broke my heart in so many different ways. GREAT fucking writing.

Goliath's death really meant something. The full-size burial was hurtful.

Cap is really showing his mettle. I really like how Cap is showing the wartime side to himself here. Other writers may have had Cap try and talk the deserters out of leaving, but Millar knows what's up. We're fighting, here. You wanna leave, GET THE FUCK OUT. Y'all act like bitches at the first sign of blood.

Sue and Johnny are some real heavy-hitters for Anti-Reg. Sue alone could help things turn around instantly. And we don't even have everyone in play yet!

Um, what happens next FF issue?

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Wed Sep-20-06 05:56 PM

325. "Meat and potatoes!"
In response to Reply # 323

Cop out alert!!!!! Thor is a fucking clone? Lame, I knew Millar would pull some garbage like this. Millar's flaw, after all, is he tries to shock his readers....um suprise?! Goliath's funeral was cool and the disbanding of the FF was nice (but predictable). Peter's doubts were also not suprising. Was this issue worth the wait? Hell no. Civil War just crashed, for me!

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James Edward
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Wed Sep-20-06 06:32 PM

326. "You know damn well"
In response to Reply # 325

you're still buying CW shit after this. And keep in mind that Millar's no dummy. The clone Thor serves a purpose, I'm sure of it. He'll be back in later issues, it's already been said. My guess? He'll draw the real Thor out.

The issue seemed weak because we were waiting for some blockbuster shit like #s 1-3.

#1 Cap takes a plane ride, sides are chosen, Pres. sics Tony on Cap.

#2 Best action scene this year with Cap/Falcon and YA's escape from S.H.I.E.L.D, Spidey unmasking

#3 The first big fight (and a fucking awesome fight it was), Cap serves Tony, and THOR SHOWS UP

#4 Thor kills Goliath, Sue saves the Anti-Regers, leaves Reed in a GREAT scene, Thor revealed....and Reed and Tony continue to show their dumb-assery to the very last page. When Peter finds out about the new Thunderbolts, it's a wrap.

This is the end of act two, man. It's the downswing. It has to hit a low point right here. It's just good story telling. It took a while to get to the first big shit, and then most of this issue shows the results of that. It's the second major plot point, after Stamford. Now that we've got our teams lined up a little more fairly, it's scrap time.

AND WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ATLANTIS SHOW UP IN THE MAIN BOOK YET.

Don't hate on CW just because Marvel can make a third-stringer's death actually affect the story!

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JRennolds
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Wed Sep-20-06 11:44 PM

331. "RE: You know damn well"
In response to Reply # 326

The death wasn't that "powerful"; I mean Hank was shook but everyone else was kind of meh. Sue leaving the FF after this? Lame! Doom kidnapped her kids and brought them to Hell; this broke the camel's back? Lame. The letter was just some bullshit and the "Suicide Squad ending" was too cliche for me. Yes, I'll cop the next issue; I want to see Namor go at Starks really bad.

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Wed Sep-20-06 07:27 PM

327. "aka Thor sons the Marvel Universe"
In response to Reply # 323

aka Reed Richards You Complete and Total Fuck Up

Good issue, but probably the weakest so far. Still well worth the wait. Did anyone else thing McNiven was only at about 80% with this one? Oh well. Better than a fill-in, I say.

So let's see... The Thor thing. Loved it. From the second he touches down, you KNOW some shit is about to pop off. How do you know? Well it wasn't Thor's badass poses, or his curt little catch phrases (that pretty much clue us in from the jump that things are definitely not what they seem) But when you see the way the OTHER heroes are reacting -SUPER heroes mind you- they are FUCKING SHOOK!! That was just brilliant. I really felt the weight of this comeback, even though it wasn't really a comeback. Anyway, consider this forewarning that when Thor eventually DOES come back... he's gonna be one badass norse motherfucker.

Next item-- Lotta cats showing their butt cheeks in this one. Cap is getting really personal with shit. I know he's the favorite and all, but if he can't keep his passion in check he might not see the storm clouds that are gathering around him.

Tony, for all his visionary 'foresight', seems to keep walking right into the proverbial cow pattie. Magic 8 Ball you aren't, Mr. Stark.

But most of all...Reed Richards. Jesus christ on a cracker man. Get it together. Goliath is dead and the hottest Milf in comics (if not literature) just walked out on you. Listen to her man...Fix this shit!

The Dear John note- Half silly and half poignant. The whole 'that's why I'm joining Cap's SECRET AVENGERS team' line made me laugh and I probably wasn't supposed to. Just when you start looking at these characters as real relatable people...someone says something like 'that's why I'm joining Cap's SECRET AVENGERS team' and the whole thing falls to pieces. Silly super heroes!!

But what I loved about that letter - the bond between the characters really came across. Citing that claret was an 'excellent antioxidant' and break up sex was 'good for the immune system'. No woman thinks in these terms, but Reed Richards sure as hell does. So that was kind of heartwarming in a weird way.

The big twist ending? Eh, nothing earth shattering, but definitely bumped the momentum along. Looking forward to #5 and definitely NOT disappointed (Not COTW either though)

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Wed Sep-20-06 07:28 PM

328. "oh, and a question (spoiler)"
In response to Reply # 327

Was that...the Thor clone at Goliath's funeral?

It can't be...can it?

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Wed Sep-20-06 11:59 PM

332. "peep the green hair"
In response to Reply # 328

Doc Mother Fucking Sampson

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Thu Sep-21-06 09:34 AM

333. "weird...the hair looked blonde to me"
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Brother_Afron
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Wed Sep-20-06 09:27 PM

330. "RE: aka Thor sons the Marvel Universe"
In response to Reply # 327

>The Dear John note- Half silly and half poignant. The whole
>'that's why I'm joining Cap's SECRET AVENGERS team' line made
>me laugh and I probably wasn't supposed to. Just when you
>start looking at these characters as real relatable
>people...someone says something like 'that's why I'm joining
>Cap's SECRET AVENGERS team' and the whole thing falls to
>pieces. Silly super heroes!!
>

My only problem with the letter was that she said she gave him a final fuck. Now, I don't expect anyone except Hank to be bnroken up about Black Goliath's death. But Sue sees that shit, figures this is enough, I'm leaving you until you get your shit together...but I'll still give you one last hit.

I mean, if a guy fucks up, and he can still sniff soemthing, well...we're not gonna think we did anything wrong.

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somnambulant
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Sat Sep-23-06 01:32 PM

364. "The final fuck was probably more for herself than for Reed"
In response to Reply # 330

He IS Mr. Fantastic, after all

uh, no homo...

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Wed Sep-20-06 08:23 PM

329. "Not mad at all at this ish"
In response to Reply # 323
Wed Sep-20-06 08:26 PM by KneelB4Me

I thought the death would be bigger (no pun intended) but I'm not surprised it wasn't. They already have too much to retcon as it is. Seems like both generals filled their ranks with pussies, IMO. Everybody switching sides or giving up when shit gets real. Let's you know who's playing hero for fun and who's down for the cause. It's like Ultimate Spidey breaking down, tawnbout "this is too much for me" every other story arc. Man the fuck up, already.

Sue's letter was realistically corny. She'd have to talk to a guy like Reed that way(explaining the benfits of what they did that night) because he's too emotionally detached. Sounds like some shit one of my exes would say, actually. Speaking of Mr. Fuck-tastic (if he would've taken the logical course of action in a porn career), the new Thunderbolts? Dude is really off his fucking square. Things like this make me think this whole thing is being orchestrated from some villain behind the scenes.

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Thu Sep-21-06 09:45 PM

334. "Ski masked man in a trench coat.."
In response to Reply # 323

I think it's the Punisher.

Right after Cable and Nighthawk walk out, you see a man in a ski mask and a trench coat (with the collar's up) watching. On the next page you see his face, still in the ski mask. Then it cuts to the funeral.

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Thu Sep-21-06 10:19 PM

337. "I think it's Earth-Prime Superboy"
In response to Reply # 334

Now wouldn't THAT be something

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Fri Sep-22-06 09:45 AM

345. "I tthought it was Hush"
In response to Reply # 337

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Fri Sep-22-06 08:39 AM

343. "The eyes didn't look cold enough for the Punisher"
In response to Reply # 334

My guess is Hawkeye. I don't know what color his eyes are, but that's my guess.

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Sun Sep-24-06 05:17 PM

367. "Yeah, its Clint"
In response to Reply # 343

Cold got to be

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Fri Sep-22-06 11:03 AM

346. "I think it's Joey Lawrence!!!!"
In response to Reply # 334

Nawww, it's Eddie Brock. He would factor into this mess like corn beef in hash. MMMMMMMMMMM!

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Fri Sep-22-06 02:00 PM

351. "Could it be my favorite Avenger, Clint Barton? n/m"
In response to Reply # 334

Peace,

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Fri Sep-22-06 05:12 PM

356. "RE: Ski masked man in a trench coat.."
In response to Reply # 334

I was thinking it was Deadpool. He looked a little scarred around the eye socket.

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Fri Sep-22-06 06:05 PM

358. "RE: Ski masked man in a trench coat.."
In response to Reply # 334

im guessing bullseye

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Sun Nov-19-06 10:09 AM

405. "YES! I was right about something.."
In response to Reply # 334

Don't think Punisher will be aligned with them for too long though.

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Thu Sep-21-06 10:17 PM

336. "upon second reading, there's a few more thing that well...irk me"
In response to Reply # 323

Which I don't like.

Because man, if this shit had come out when I was like...12? For-GET about it. Shit would have been like the pinnacle of western literature to me. I would have probably sworn off girls right then and there for the rest of my life and completely devoted myself to the comic gods.

But alas, I'm in my mid 20s and I tend to scrutinize shit.

I'm all for the suspension of disbelief, but I'm having a little trouble buying that Reed and Tony can possibly be this STUPID.

Cloning Thor sort of pushed me to the brink. Did you actually think this would end well? Really? Cloning Thor. Think about it. YOU CLONED THOR. Man, shit hit the fan when they cloned Aunt May. What the fuck you think is gonna happen when you clone THOR. Christ!!

But then I told myself, okay, calm down...it's Reed Richards. Here's a guy who took his best friend, his girl, and her kid brother to steal a rocketship and fly into uncharted space in the name of science. A cosmically stupid move, but they got lucky. Well, maybe not Ben so much. But hey, shit happens. Hey Reed, you finished with that cure for Ben yet? What's that? Soon as you finish cloning Thor, huh? Oh, okay then.

Maybe if it had been REED got turned into orange rock, and Ben who could stretch his dick across the Manhattan skyline, he'd have learned to think things through a bit. Hey, there's a What If? for you.

And Tony...Well, I haven't read a lot of Iron Man. But I *do* know he used to sport a mullet, and that right there is enough to tell you he's a few cards short of a full deck.

So you really gotta think about these guys and understand that just because you're a genius doesn't necessarily mean you won't be a dumbass every now and then. Some of the biggest dumbasses I know are geniuses. And chances are when you DO fuck up, it will be on a collosal scale. Hey, you're Mr. Fantastic. You do it big.

But the last page... Come the fuck on now. I'll let you slide on the Thor thing but now you're recruiting super villains? Seriously?! Thor just killed Goliath with no remorse. What the fuck you think Bullseye is gonna do?

Idiots!

I know war is hell and all, and people do crazy things... but I dunno, man. This is just a little farfetched, don't you think?

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KwesiAkoKennedy
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Fri Sep-22-06 12:04 AM

339. "The reasons why I can swallow Tony and Reed going through with this...."
In response to Reply # 336
Fri Sep-22-06 12:18 AM by KwesiAkoKennedy

Tony: Armor Wars.

He burned almost all of his bridges, including Cap, to make sure his tech was no longer used without his permission. It started with villians he'd K.O. on principle and he moved on to fucking with the governmnet, getting a civillian killed and starting a fight in a suprevillian containment facility and causing some to escape.

I was never a big Iron Man fan and this series, that I read on loan, made me wonder why people root for this self absorbed jerk all the time.

Reed: Namor is STILL very likely to tap his wife's ass and he hasn't done anything about it to let him know that he needs to back that shit up.

Ok ok, seriously, he's too damn smart for his own good. It has been a consistent plot point that Reed, while a genuinely nice guy, is still hyper obsessed with the possiblities of science and how he can achieve them. Usually at the expense of his family.

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Brother_Afron
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Fri Sep-22-06 12:25 AM

340. "RE: upon second reading, there's a few more thing that well...irk me"
In response to Reply # 336

I kinda got issues with the whole recruiting of vicious super-villains thing. I mean, I thought they were supposed to start showing the Reg side in a better light.

Hiring killers to hunt down people who're breaking the law by saving folks, isn't that move to make. However, I can see Tony going for it, but not Reed.

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JRennolds
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Fri Sep-22-06 11:07 AM

347. "Eff the Quinjet; Starks and Richards roll on the short bus."
In response to Reply # 336

Honestly, they cloned a freakin' god and expected everything to be fine and dandy? Idiots! Then they go and recruit some major villains? Idiots.

Dolts...

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mrhood75
Member since Dec 06th 2004
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Fri Sep-22-06 12:26 AM

341. "Okay, let me start complaining:"
In response to Reply # 323

So like everyone has said, this one was on the disappointing side. Still good, but not mind-blowing. But, dare I say it, I might not have felt this way if this book had, ya know, come out a month ago like it was supposed to. If this had come out a month ago, it wouldn't have been mind-blowing, but it would've fit in with the flow of the narrative, and the other issues would have been able to build on it. However, by this point, the narrative has ground to a halt for the past month.

What did this issue establish/accomplish?

1) Thor is a clone. Okay, this is new and kind of cool. Sorry Buck, but I like the idea.

2) One of the heroes dies. Hell, we know this was going to happen as soon as #3 dropped. And it turns out it was Goliath? Whoa! Stop the presses! OF course, they manage t make it one of the Black man who dies first.

3. Some of Cap's army gets captured. Well, as we all learned in Spider-Man and FF like two months ago, Cap breaks them all out anyway.

4. Sue Richards leaves Reed. Again, you'd have to be blind and stupid for this to be a shock. I did like the good-bye note.

5. Iron Man has been recruiting villains to work for them. Again, anyone who's read Thunderbolts (or has at least flipped through it in the comic shop like me) knows this. I guess the big reveal is Tony's using really EVIL villains too.

Again, I'd probably look at this issue differently if this had dropped a month ago. But for the time being it looks like the urgency is gone. I have faith in Millar that the story will still be good, but I fear it won't be as tight as it could have been.

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buckshot defunct
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Fri Sep-22-06 11:23 AM

348. "I like the idea, just...not the way its being used"
In response to Reply # 341
Fri Sep-22-06 11:31 AM by buckshot defunct

>1) Thor is a clone. Okay, this is new and kind of cool. Sorry
>Buck, but I like the idea.

A clone of Thor opens up a LOT of questions and I think could make for some interesting stories. I mean... can Thor even be cloned? Evidently he can... but it sure seems to open up a lot of ? about the nature of his powers and divinity.

Or even if it doesn't... maybe someone just cloned Thor, the end. I can take it at face value, too. And it still works for me. It's interesting.

What I'm having trouble with, though... is Reed and Tony getting together and thinking that this sort of thing could actually end well. Okay, yeah... they're both kinda nutty and have a history of bad decision making... And maybe when they get together they bring those qualities out of each other even more. But this Thor thing is kinda pushing it, imo.

The whole 'whose side are you on' debate pretty much died with this issue, I think.

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JRennolds
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Fri Sep-22-06 11:32 AM

349. "CLOR came out of left field...."
In response to Reply # 348

It would have worked for me, had there been a hint of their dastardly deeds. This retconning by Marvel is damn crazy and redundant.

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DrNO
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Fri Sep-22-06 02:02 PM

352. "I'm interested in seeing how the Thor cloning plays out"
In response to Reply # 348

Shit, they had to go into his brain with a drill to reprogram him. What's his natural personality like? What's the real Thor going to think?

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Fri Sep-22-06 02:33 PM

353. "I hope Thor and Hulk get back on the same day"
In response to Reply # 352

Tony's ass is SOUP

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Brother_Afron
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Fri Sep-22-06 05:02 PM

355. "RE: I hope Thor and Hulk get back on the same day"
In response to Reply # 353

According to Lying in the Gutters, Thor was supposed to return during Planet Hulk, but that got scrapped when they wanted him for Civil War

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mrhood75
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Fri Sep-22-06 06:46 PM

360. "Fun fact: Thor has already been cloned"
In response to Reply # 348

By the High Evolutionary of all people.

This guy, for those of y'all who can't remember: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Evolutionary

He cloned Thor using the DNA from Thor's beard clippings (after he shaved off his beard), and created a Thor clone do to do his bidding. This is when the Evolutionary was a "nice" guy (though it was after that "Evolutionary War" crossever) and he created a nice guy clone. Can't remember the character's name now, but he was pretty innocuous.

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lonesome_d
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Fri Sep-22-06 02:43 PM

354. "Hahahaha... look at phenompyrus's prophecy in #280's subject line"
In response to Reply # 323

He didn't know how accurate that would turn out to be!

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Coatesvillain
Member since Aug 24th 2005
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Sat Sep-23-06 02:21 AM

361. "It's good to see they keep continuity.."
In response to Reply # 323

Haha..

I mean, when and where does the arc in Moon Knight take place where he's fighting Taskmaster? Somehow Taskmaster is locked up?

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JRennolds
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Sat Sep-23-06 02:58 AM

363. "Really..."
In response to Reply # 361
Sat Sep-23-06 02:58 AM by JRennolds

Taskmaster just hit the cieling in Moon Knight, but he's here chilling? Lame!

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Coatesvillain
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Sat Sep-23-06 09:41 PM

366. "And wasn't Bullseye blasting guns in Rykers?"
In response to Reply # 363

They let him..

Damn man, I was really high on this issue and now you have me thinking about it and now it's a let down.

I mean, there weren't enough heroes for them?

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James Edward
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
353 posts

Wed Sep-20-06 05:07 PM

324. "Wolverine #46"
In response to Reply # 0

My COTW. Jesus, Wolverine sonned (daughtered?) the SHIT outta Emma. Also, is anyone thinking it's gonna be Cyclops or Emma that save Wolverine's ass?

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Coatesvillain
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Thu Sep-21-06 09:48 PM

335. "Wolverine is what got me back into Civil War.."
In response to Reply # 324

Only tie-in books I've read are Wolverine's and New Avengers, but the Wolvie tie-ins are unbelievable. Adds a whole other dimension to everything.

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Effa
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Thu Sep-21-06 11:47 PM

338. "definitely the best of the civil war tie ins"
In response to Reply # 335

the art is mad goofy though for my taste.

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Brother_Afron
Member since Jul 06th 2003
3812 posts

Fri Sep-22-06 12:27 AM

342. "On weeks like this"
In response to Reply # 338

It seems like Wolverine's Civil War tie ins have been better than Civil War itself. The issue with Namor put it over the top for me.

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JRennolds
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Sat Sep-23-06 02:56 AM

362. "Yes, I copped it. No, I did not dig it."
In response to Reply # 324
Sat Sep-23-06 02:59 AM by JRennolds

Fragmented storytelling and the abundance of off-panel action is a recipe for an anuerysm, for me. I loved the art; Ramos has always been "that dude." What gives? The Namor "arc" was solid, this was weak.

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Brooklynbeef
Member since May 30th 2002
4649 posts

Fri Sep-22-06 08:41 AM

344. "Is Falcon blind"
In response to Reply # 0

in his left eye? What gives?

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native_son
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Fri Sep-22-06 01:00 PM

350. "There will be more clones - The 50 State Initiative"
In response to Reply # 0

Read Millars interview on Newsarama. Methinks this will be the way out of the Spiderman secret identity situation.

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James Edward
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
353 posts

Fri Sep-22-06 06:45 PM

359. "I don't need to read the interview."
In response to Reply # 350

It's right there in CW#4 if you're paying attention. They talk about the 50 State stuff as they're walking by someone in stasis, and Reed says something about them not being ready yet.

Oh yeah. Clizznones everywhere. These dudes bathe in Ls.

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JiggysMyDayJob
Member since Jul 03rd 2002
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Fri Sep-22-06 05:14 PM

357. "Well I was just happy to get a comic for CW this week"
In response to Reply # 0

CW #4 was ok,

1) Thor come on man, Like everyone else says it's horrible( ok not horrible but just bad) I mean we see what happened with spidey clones and this one don't even obey orders, I think he's gonna go nuts and kill

2) Reed and Starks - Abigously Gay Duo???

3) CAP - shut yo mouth and listen to Cable.

Back for more later

Oh yea Wolvie is damn man

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Sat Sep-23-06 04:34 PM

365. "While I like CW, there are some problems..."
In response to Reply # 0

Where are the X-Men? Does anyone else think that this is a way for Marvel to push the other heroes in the universe outside of the X-universe? Usually they would include the X-Men, especially Wolverine, but he has only appeared in his own CW series. The CW X-Men tie-in is pretty weak. I hope its only a matter of time before they start to appear.
I have a bad feeling that a lot of the big stuff that has happened (Spider-Man unmasking, FF disbanding) will only be for a short period of time.

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Big Chief Rumbletummy
Member since Jan 31st 2006
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Sun Sep-24-06 06:04 PM

368. "After reading Civil War #4 and the puppet master part of post 291"
In response to Reply # 0

I'm starting to think that the grieveing mother who stays showing up and putting batteries in Tony's back is on some shade-sheist shit. I got a realy bad feeling from her appearance in this issue, showing up and encouraging Tony when everyone else is ready to bail. And then she hands him some toy doll of himself...methinks the events unfolding, or at the very least some of the main participants, are being manipulated by some unseen nefarious ne'erdowell.

I'm pretty under-fucking-whelmed with the whole explanation of philosophies here. Nothing I've read in any of the issues, nor any of the tie-ins, really enlightens me. It may sound ridiculous for me to say but I'd like for this storyline to bring up some issues that aren't just patently obvious. Like recently I just got into Concrete: The Human Dilemma and Y: The Last Man, and both of those outstanding books took a premise and wrung out every last bit of interesting possibility from them. The characters discussed various intelligent points of view, most of which I hadn't even considered, and the actions of those characters made sense. It may sound dumb to expect a superhero comic book to be astounding philosphically, but I just think the arguments and opinions they've chosen to illustrate are vapid and insipid. Just look at the Deadpool/Daredevil fight/debate at the end of C&D 30.

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JRennolds
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Thu Sep-28-06 12:57 AM

369. "Yeah, I'm back on board/ The Amazing Spider-Man #535"
In response to Reply # 368

Yes, I hated on CW #4, okay. Then I read, ASM #535. I have a greater understanding and appreciattion of number 4, now.

I see where Stark and Reed are coming from, emotionally and mentally. They are on some real noble shit even though it doesn't feel right. Also, Peter is so conflicted, it makes for a compelling read. If nothing else, this event has created a dialogue between us. It fictionalizes(?) a concept but presents it in a manner that is somewhat realistic and morally perplexing. Sure, there are reaches in the plot but damn, these exaggerations further exploit the drama and situations.

#535 is very powerful. I felt scared, sorry and bad for Peter; goddamned comics can be touching in a non-emo/no homo way, sometimes. The emotion and angst is universal and based in reality. Everybody fucks up and makes poor decisions; we have all payed for these wrong decisions at one point. I feel the emotion from these characters. I don't know what side I'm on now because I can understand where everyone is coming from.

Stark............damn, dude, you crazy for this one!

In short, JMS is the rawest writer in comics and I value Civil War.

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notnac
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Thu Sep-28-06 01:08 AM

370. "So the pro-regs wanna curry favor with the public?"
In response to Reply # 0

Yet they're gonna unleash supervillians. Okie doke.

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Invisiblist
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Thu Sep-28-06 01:37 AM

371. "Amazing Spider-man #535"
In response to Reply # 0

# of Spidey jokes this issue: 2. Very telling. This might be the best issue of anything to come outta CW yet. JMS was very very very on point with this one.

I was feeling really nervous the whole issue. I don't know how I can wait until #536!

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buckshot defunct
Member since May 02nd 2003
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Fri Sep-29-06 11:44 PM

374. "flipped thru it, looked STRONG"
In response to Reply # 371

Pete was not for no shit in this issue and I loved that Tony was totally calling him on it.

The tour of the prison... Now, again, I didn't get to actually *read* the book, but I got the vibe that Tony and Reed were subtly sending the message 'fuck with us and this is where you will end up'. Which makes sense after the whole 'Pete's acting suspicious!' convo at Goliath's funeral in CW #4.

Reed, did you even READ Sue's note? What an asshole.

The 'breakout' scene where Pete is hopping around all incognito? AWESOME.

Can't wait to see what the next issue brings. The big throwdown we've all been waiting for should be spectacular, but what I really wanna know is, where the HELL are MJ and Aunt May gonna go?

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Sat Sep-30-06 05:55 PM

375. "I'm 100% certain that Tony and Reed were sending that message."
In response to Reply # 374

It was pretty obvious. As far as Aunt May and MJ..............we haven't factored Jarvis in, have we? He's May's homey. I wanna know how that's gonna go over.

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Invisiblist
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Thu Sep-28-06 01:40 AM

372. "Frontline #6"
In response to Reply # 0

Easily the best Frontline issue. All the stories were damn near perfect. I was really happy that something really HAPPENED in "Embedded" this time around. I kinda wanted to see Ben Urich ACTUALLY be fired though. Shake things up a little.

As usual, "The Accused" was great. The Reed vs. Speedball stuff was really well written. The last panel was off the chain. Whoever came up with that needs a raise.

I liked "Sleeper Cell". It's really getting us ready for the shit hitting the fan.

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buckshot defunct
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Fri Sep-29-06 11:36 PM

373. "Captain America #22 (spoilers)"
In response to Reply # 0

It's interesting to note that the SHIELD attack on Captain America back in Civil War #1 was NOT...I repeat, NOT officially sanctioned by SHIELD and/or the "Pro-Registration Side" as a whole. Basically, one agent jumped the gun a bit and fucked things up for everyone. Kinda makes you wonder how things could have been different.

Also Red Skull has been mucking around with peoples' thoughts and emotions with that damned cosmic cube again (specifically making Agent 13 fall in love with Captain America. Yes, that's right. The Red Skull's nefarious plan gets Captain America laid in this issue. Boy, with super-villains like these, who needs friends? Or hookers?)

Anyway, he's quite pleased that all this in-fighting has blinded America's heroes to the 'real enemy'. I'm starting to get a little nervous about the 'mind control' theory. I hope nothing comes of it.

A solid issue overall, although the scene on the cover was a bit misleading.

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Invisiblist
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Sat Sep-30-06 06:01 PM

376. "Peter/May/Jarvis/Tony"
In response to Reply # 0

How's this gonna play out? May and Jarvis are pretty tight. May's obviously riding for Peter. What's Jarvis gonna DO?

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Wed Oct-04-06 04:32 PM

377. "Fantastic Four #540"
In response to Reply # 0

As usual, JMS's writing is really friggin' good.

As usual, I request that Joey Q explain how difficult it was to get Jenkins, JMS, and Millar in a room and stress how important it would be to keep things consistent.

If you read CW#4, you know about Sue. You know what she does, when she does it, and how she does it. Well, that's not how it goes down in this book. It just occured to me that maybe JMS's choice was here was to be able to show you the story if you read FF but not CW. That's fair. Makes for a better TPB, that's for sure.

On the good side, (and it's a very good side) Reed is feeling more and more like a human being these last two weeks, and JMS can take a lot of credit for pulling that off. Great dialogue in this book. Reed turning to stone (no pun intended) again when talking to Ben after Sue's exit was well done, as well as his narrative.

On the art side, can SOMEONE PLEASE GET ONE OF JMS'S CURRENT ARTISTS TO DRAW PETER MORE LIKE PETER? I had the same gripe with ASM's last issue.

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Fri Oct-06-06 09:08 PM

378. "wasn't feeling it"
In response to Reply # 377
Fri Oct-06-06 09:14 PM by buckshot defunct

Felt like a filler issue to me. Didn't add a whole lot of depth to the FF split-up, either.

And once again, I'm just not feeling Reed's characterization. Not too long ago JMS had the dude blow up an army base. Now all of the sudden he's Johnny Law. I don't buy it.

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Jayson Willyams
Member since Nov 18th 2004
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Tue Nov-14-06 11:10 PM

379. "re: the man in the mask in CW #4"
In response to Reply # 0

i saw some talk about the guy in the leather trench and ski mask in CW#4. just thought i'd throw in my two cents.

look closer. in the first panel that he appears in, lurking on the fire escape, he's definitely got a pistol in his hands, ready to raise and fire. it's tough to see in the darkness amongst the twisted metal, but you can make out his arm and the shape of a gun pretty clearly.

judging by his expression in the next panel, he was surprised to see cable, nighthawk and that girl (cassie, help me out here) walking out together.

my guess? he was about to put a hot one in cable's head, and changed his mind when cable didn't come out alone. as for his identity, i don't know, but i'm intrigued. i doubt clint barton would be caught dead (ha) using a heater, but maybe he "was changed in the passage from death to life. a newer, darker hawkeye." marvel circa 94, woot woot

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Jayson Willyams
Member since Nov 18th 2004
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Wed Nov-15-06 11:48 AM

380. "RE: re: the man in the mask in CW #4"
In response to Reply # 379

well. marvel's making no secret of the fact that the punisher is all over CW #5, so I guess our mystery man with a gun in #4 is a little less of a mystery. still, the fact that he was waiting outside of cap's stronghold--and that he even knew where to find it-- raises some interesting points about what side of this thing he's going to be on.

i can't imagine him ever going along with the pro-reg'ers, but then again, cap's side is technically comprised of criminals, and we know how frank castiglione does criminals--dirty. promo art for #5 has him lighting up spider-man.

personally, i think he goes along with cap, once he sees how tony and reed are using bullseye, venom and the rest of the villains.

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spades
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
44257 posts

Wed Nov-15-06 04:23 PM

381. "The last Spidey CW Tie-In"
In response to Reply # 0

Had Tony and Spidey going at it in the last panel. Any resolution to that?

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Brother_Afron
Member since Jul 06th 2003
3812 posts

Wed Nov-15-06 05:50 PM

382. "RE: The last Spidey CW Tie-In"
In response to Reply # 381

There confrontation is continued in CW 5

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spades
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Wed Nov-15-06 07:06 PM

383. "Damn, CW 5!"
In response to Reply # 382

They need to get the pacing right w/these Tie-Ins. Now I'm all antsy waiting to see what happened?

Do you think Spidey can beat Iron-man? Originally, I'd say no, but with his new powers/strength, I'm not sure.

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Brooklynbeef
Member since May 30th 2002
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Wed Nov-15-06 07:39 PM

384. "Hell Nah"
In response to Reply # 383

>They need to get the pacing right w/these Tie-Ins. Now I'm
>all antsy waiting to see what happened?
>
>Do you think Spidey can beat Iron-man? Originally, I'd say no,
>but with his new powers/strength, I'm not sure.

"You can't tear down the master house with the master's tools" -- Alice Walker."

Starks made spidey's suit remember.

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spades
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Wed Nov-15-06 08:55 PM

387. "Ok but..."
In response to Reply # 384

<Starks made spidey's suit remember.

Why else show the fight? They're not gonna send Spidey to the Gulag, he's just too popular. And he can take that shit off, I seem to remember him battling venom in his underoos during the beginning of their battles.

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Brooklynbeef
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Thu Nov-16-06 09:52 PM

398. "RE: Ok but..."
In response to Reply # 387

><Starks made spidey's suit remember.
>
>Why else show the fight? They're not gonna send Spidey to the
>Gulag, he's just too popular. And he can take that shit off, I
>seem to remember him battling venom in his underoos during the
>beginning of their battles.
The fight began in Amazing Spiderman. i guest the writers felt the need to continue the story line.

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Melanism
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Wed Nov-15-06 07:51 PM

385. "Civil War #5 - "Daredevil" Ethered Tony Stark"
In response to Reply # 0

Finally, an issue that shows the pro-registration argument in a good light.

But damn...

Solider #1: "Actually, he's barely said a word since we brought him in, Mister Stark. But we found this silver dollar under his tongue."
Solider #2: "He said he's been saving it for you."
Tony: "A silver dollar? I don't understand."
"Daredevil": "Guess that's Thirty-One pieces of silver you've got now, huh? Sleep well, Judas."

That might top Batman's line from Infinite Crisis #1 to Superman.

Somehow, I think it was a part of Cap/Punisher's plan to get caught.

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Calico
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Wed Nov-15-06 08:43 PM

386. "RE: Civil War #5 - "Daredevil" Ethered Tony Stark"
In response to Reply # 385

>Finally, an issue that shows the pro-registration argument in
>a good light.
>
yeah, but the "pro" side has the most glaring flaws still...hunting and imprisoning heroes, employing villains, letting shield turn the country into police states...i still hate that pro reg side seems to think they're smarter than everyone else, but that's of course gonna change...

>But damn...
>
>Solider #1: "Actually, he's barely said a word since we
>brought him in, Mister Stark. But we found this silver dollar
>under his tongue."
>Solider #2: "He said he's been saving it for you."
>Tony: "A silver dollar? I don't understand."
>"Daredevil": "Guess that's Thirty-One pieces of silver you've
>got now, huh? Sleep well, Judas."
>
>That might top Batman's line from Infinite Crisis #1 to
>Superman.
>
i don't know about that...Bats line was to the point...but DD did plan to get caught....why else have that in his mouth? the rebels are samrter than people think...

>Somehow, I think it was a part of Cap/Punisher's plan to get
>caught.

think so too....their side IS gettin stronger...doesn't Marvel have to wrap all this shit up in two more issues??

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Coatesvillain
Member since Aug 24th 2005
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Sun Nov-19-06 10:12 AM

406. "Do you think Tony could tell it was Danny Rand.."
In response to Reply # 386

And not Matt Murdock by that comment? I mean there's the chance they have similar sounding voices, but I'm sure that Stark would have to notice the difference.

If that's the case.. then that's pretty dope.

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buckshot defunct
Member since May 02nd 2003
26345 posts

Wed Nov-15-06 09:30 PM

388. "twas harsh"
In response to Reply # 385
Wed Nov-15-06 09:31 PM by buckshot defunct

I still give Batman the edge. His burn didn't require props.

I mean, really... Daredevil kept a coin in his mouth just hoping Tony was gonna ask him why he had been keeping it there? Nasty.

Anyway, there were some nice pro-reg moments here, but I'm afraid it's gonna be too late for the readers at large to really give them much thought. Seems to me that everyone's mind is made up. But I feel for Tony. The guy was *trying* to mediate, and just got caught up in the middle of some shit he could never control. I'm half wondering if Shield is gonna turn on HIM when all his said and done. I wonder if he could break out of his own super-jail? Hmmm.

I think my favorite part in this whole issue was the Punisher scenes. Everyone's reactions, Pun's dialogue and facial expressions (goddamn McNiven really nailed it)...oozing with badass.

...I LOL'd when Spidey dove headfirst into that reinforced window. L!!!

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KwesiAkoKennedy
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Wed Nov-15-06 11:57 PM

389. "Those Punisher scenes were nice..."
In response to Reply # 388

Every one was reacting just like the readers...

"Oh shit, Punisher!"

But really, who the HELL is Tigra calling. Is Cap gonna have to smack a bitch?

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Brother_Afron
Member since Jul 06th 2003
3812 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 01:05 AM

390. "RE: Those Punisher scenes were nice..."
In response to Reply # 389

See what happens when Luke Cage stops rocking his Stop Snitching t-shirt.

Fun is the new gritty

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JRennolds
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Thu Nov-16-06 04:17 AM

392. "Okay, I'll admit it. CW keeps getting better and better."
In response to Reply # 385
Thu Nov-16-06 04:25 AM by JRennolds

Like Buck said, Spidey's L is hands down the best moment in CW, so far, for me. I laughed, I cried, I recoiled...

The Sue/Jonny ID thing was strange and smelled of ULTIMATES. I thought that was clever.

Pun, murking those fools in the sewer was utter gangstuh!!!!

Said villains beating on, Ol' Petey? Grimey!

SHIELD's presence is really bringing the whole thing together and making this as logical as it can be, for me.

I always enjoy seeing Stretch catch Ls and wallow in pity. Hell, if FF was all about Reed catching Ls each issue, then I'd subscribe to it.

Yes, CAP will have to smack a bitch!

PUN? Doesn't fuck around!!!

Once you get past the tie-ins, sensless one-shots and promotional hype, CW is quite the thrill ride.

#5? A

GOMD

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Brooklynbeef
Member since May 30th 2002
4649 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 10:19 AM

393. "What did Bats said to Supes in Infinite Crisis?"
In response to Reply # 385

>Finally, an issue that shows the pro-registration argument in
>a good light.
>
>But damn...
>
>Solider #1: "Actually, he's barely said a word since we
>brought him in, Mister Stark. But we found this silver dollar
>under his tongue."
>Solider #2: "He said he's been saving it for you."
>Tony: "A silver dollar? I don't understand."
>"Daredevil": "Guess that's Thirty-One pieces of silver you've
>got now, huh? Sleep well, Judas."
>
>That might top Batman's line from Infinite Crisis #1 to
>Superman.
>
>Somehow, I think it was a part of Cap/Punisher's plan to get
>caught.

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mrhood75
Member since Dec 06th 2004
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Thu Nov-16-06 11:46 AM

395. "Paraphrase: "You haven't inspired anyone since you died.""
In response to Reply # 393

Which is kind of harsh. But true.

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Brother_Afron
Member since Jul 06th 2003
3812 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 01:14 AM

391. "The Pro-Reg side comes alive"
In response to Reply # 0

Now I was feeling the attempt to at least explain the pro-reg side. It really should've come up a lot sooner then the 5th issue, but I'm a forgiving person.

However, since Reed and Tony are two of the smartest guys in the MU, I would've preferred the reasoning not to have so many holes in it though.

The Punisher re-entered the MU in a big way. No more maiming super-villains, the Powers that Be actually started letting him take them out.

This issue felt like the least amount of stuff happened, but I'd still place it as the second best so far.

Fun is the new gritty

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Brooklynbeef
Member since May 30th 2002
4649 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 10:22 AM

394. "New Avengers is kinda nice"
In response to Reply # 0

>Cause I said so, that's why. I wanna keep all CW in-depth
>talk cohesive cause this'll go on longer than a single CotW
>post would last.
I thought it would crumble since the teams unofficially broke up but I'm feelin the episodes.

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JiggysMyDayJob
Member since Jul 03rd 2002
5178 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 09:35 PM

396. "RE: The Civil War Post *Infinite Spoilers*"
In response to Reply # 0

Well CW 5 was nice. I just knew good ol frank was gonna come in and smack fools up and boy did he ever.

Tony = L (man DD did get his ass, but everyone has been getting Tony)

Johnny and Sue that was pure filler but a nice nod to Ultimate

Tigra is gonna get fuccckkkkeeeedddd UP!!

Spidey tried to put up a good fight but he did catch a L

Solid book and the tie-ins are getting better, the Iron Man tie-in was good and the New Avengers tie-in was great. I'm glad the explained Maria Hill cause I serioulsy hated that bitch.

Well I can't wait for this stuff to boil over and hopefully Franky boy will be able to body some more people.

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Brooklynbeef
Member since May 30th 2002
4649 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 09:49 PM

397. "Ultimates Nod? How?"
In response to Reply # 396

>Well CW 5 was nice. I just knew good ol frank was gonna come
>in and smack fools up and boy did he ever.
>
>Tony = L (man DD did get his ass, but everyone has been
>getting Tony)
>
>Johnny and Sue that was pure filler but a nice nod to Ultimate
>
>
>Tigra is gonna get fuccckkkkeeeedddd UP!!
>
>Spidey tried to put up a good fight but he did catch a L
>
>Solid book and the tie-ins are getting better, the Iron Man
>tie-in was good and the New Avengers tie-in was great. I'm
>glad the explained Maria Hill cause I serioulsy hated that
>bitch.
>
>Well I can't wait for this stuff to boil over and hopefully
>Franky boy will be able to body some more people.
>
>
>

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Invisiblist
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Thu Nov-16-06 09:53 PM

399. "I've got a fanboy beef with CW#5."
In response to Reply # 0

Um, early on in his Avengers Tower stay, Spidey through Wolverine out a window, which prompted on of the Avengers to mention how that glass was supposed to be damn near unbreakable.

So you mean to tell me now that Peter's stronger and has the Iron Spidey armor that he can't get through the window?

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buckshot defunct
Member since May 02nd 2003
26345 posts

Thu Nov-16-06 10:01 PM

400. "lol"
In response to Reply # 399

I'm thinking the only thing between you and a no-prize right now is 'adamantium'...

that, or 'Reggie Hudlin is an authority on nothing'
(I think he wrote the scene you're referring to...no?)

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Invisiblist
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Fri Nov-17-06 12:55 AM

401. "yeah, I think it was Hudlin. But it's not his fault. Anyways,"
In response to Reply # 400

it was a great fuckin scene. Hooray, Hudlin!

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JiggysMyDayJob
Member since Jul 03rd 2002
5178 posts

Sun Nov-19-06 10:37 PM

411. "RE: yeah, I think it was Hudlin. But it's not his fault. Anyways,"
In response to Reply # 401

Reg was too busy writting House Party 6 "It's Play Time!" or also know as "House Parties are for Kid!"

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spades
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
44257 posts

Fri Nov-17-06 06:03 PM

402. "CW's been fucking up Spidey in general"
In response to Reply # 399

>Um, early on in his Avengers Tower stay, Spidey through
>Wolverine out a window, which prompted on of the Avengers to
>mention how that glass was supposed to be damn near
>unbreakable.
>
>So you mean to tell me now that Peter's stronger and has the
>Iron Spidey armor that he can't get through the window?

I think they're having a hard time writing around his new abilities, they are pretty new. I'm still mad about the logically inconceivable loss to Cap in his CW Tie in book. Overall I'm disappointed in the action for him in this series.

Hopefully they'll be bright spots ahead.

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Calico
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Sat Nov-18-06 08:57 AM

403. " i don't think any of the books have written his abilities well"
In response to Reply # 402

it's like they're scared or something

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Calico
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Sat Nov-18-06 09:02 AM

404. "Spidey hasn't begun to fight yet..."
In response to Reply # 0

and i think alot of the lopsided battles between the sides wil change soon...Spidey's REALLY pissed now, and if they write this right, shit will be really great as he fights back...

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Coatesvillain
Member since Aug 24th 2005
7290 posts

Sun Nov-19-06 10:20 AM

407. "I think they're just getting him in his custom fitted underdog role.."
In response to Reply # 404

With how Cap's handling things, looking like he's about to breakdown.. I really think that once Parker is on his feet.. he's going to be the guy who puts the Resistance over the top.

I think it's going to do big things for his character.

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Coatesvillain
Member since Aug 24th 2005
7290 posts

Sun Nov-19-06 10:22 AM

408. "Question about Shield coming after Sue.."
In response to Reply # 0

So if you're registered and decide not to help hunt down other heroes, they go and hunt you down? I know they are with the resistance now, but they're hunting them down?

Also.. since Shield was after her does that mean Reed is a bad husband who snitched on his own wife?!

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KwesiAkoKennedy
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Sun Nov-19-06 02:13 PM

409. "Based on what the head of Shield said in New Avengers..."
In response to Reply # 408

I'm willing to think that whoever is pulling Shield's strings has all of them shook and is the main reason for the hardline approach.

She understands she's not right for the job she has and is quite possibly a scapegoat. Tony and Reed seem to know about something FAR worse that will go down if people don't cooperate so they just let things roll.

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Invisiblist
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Sun Nov-19-06 05:37 PM

410. "they were in FF gear as opposed to street disguises,"
In response to Reply # 408

which means that they were prolly just caught doing some superhero shit.

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JRennolds
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Mon Nov-20-06 01:32 AM

412. "My beef with New Avengers #25"
In response to Reply # 0

Stark ala Iron Man, went out like a chump. Here is a guy that has bested some of the fiercest muffugas in the MU....he gets taken down by Joe Schmoe. Pathetic! Was Bendis making a statement with this one? Was he saying, that Stark is really just a pathetic bitch? Lame.

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