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"Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS"
Sun Oct-05-03 07:45 PM by johnbook

  

          

Just a reminder for anyone who's interested, the 7 part series starts tonight on PBS at 9pm from Sept 28 through Oct 4.

Thank you DrNO for puting this in your sig or I probably would have missed it.

http://www.pbs.org/theblues/

The Blues™, executive produced by Martin Scorsese, consists of seven feature-length films that capture the essence of the blues while exploring how this art form so deeply influenced music and people the world over.

The series begins with the journey from Africa to the Mississippi Delta — where the music grew from slaves' field hollers, work songs and spirituals — then travels up the Mississippi River to the juke joints, house parties and recording studios of Memphis and Chicago, and culminates with the emotional embrace of this African-American creation by musicians and people throughout the world.

"The blues is at once American and worldly," said Martin Scorsese, who began work on the project six years ago. "It's a form of storytelling that is so universal that it has inspired people beyond our borders and continues to influence music here and abroad. We're hopeful that the series and YEAR OF THE BLUES will introduce new audiences worldwide to this music and also inspire kids, whether they like rock or hip hop, to better understand the struggles and genius that gave birth to what they listen to today."

"Our goal never was to produce the definitive work on the blues," Scorsese added. "It was, from the start, to create highly personal and impressionistic films as seen through the eyes of the most creative directors around with a passion for this music."

The Blues is the culmination of a great ambition for Scorsese — to honor the music he loves, to preserve its legacy and to work closely with talented feature film directors united in their desire to celebrate this art.

Go behind the scenes for more information on The Blues, with film synopses, director bios and transcripts, video clips, musician bios, and a discography for each film.


  

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I was just about to post a reminder
Sep 28th 2003
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Thanks for putting it in your sig...
Sep 28th 2003
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I saw the one directed by Mike Figgis.
Sep 28th 2003
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RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS
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RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS
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I'm with you.
Sep 28th 2003
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You would be -
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      RE: You would be -
Sep 29th 2003
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           If I may intercede
Sep 29th 2003
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           RE: If I may intercede
Sep 29th 2003
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           Don't know it
Sep 30th 2003
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                RE: Don't know it
Sep 30th 2003
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                     Real hobos buy from the $1 used vinyl bin
Sep 30th 2003
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                          RE: Real hobos buy from the $1 used vinyl bin
Sep 30th 2003
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           LD -
Sep 29th 2003
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                RE: LD -
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                     Well
Sep 30th 2003
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           RE: You would be -
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                my bad.
Sep 30th 2003
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Nice little review...
Sep 29th 2003
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Mahalo nui
Sep 28th 2003
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RE: Mahalo nui
Sep 28th 2003
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      you're very right
Sep 28th 2003
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I wish I could anchor anything I wanted. n/m
Sep 28th 2003
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two reasons
Sep 29th 2003
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      Can you anchor the Lesson one?
Sep 29th 2003
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      I'm only the mod for Reviews
Sep 29th 2003
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      and skip james
Sep 29th 2003
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      Common is in it as well
Sep 29th 2003
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I got to go to the concert
Sep 29th 2003
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Antoine Fuqua
Sep 29th 2003
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it's boring
Sep 29th 2003
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even though there's six more to go?
Sep 29th 2003
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      last night's was pretty good...
Sep 30th 2003
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More blues on PBS: Muddy Waters
Sep 29th 2003
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RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS
Sep 29th 2003
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The Soul of a Man (Wim Wenders)
Sep 29th 2003
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I was disappointed
Sep 29th 2003
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      my sentiments exactl... i mean co-sign
Sep 29th 2003
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      hmm
Sep 29th 2003
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      One of the guys with Eagle Eye Cherry
Sep 30th 2003
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           RE: One of the guys with Eagle Eye Cherry
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           thanks
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      I don't think it should come as a surprise -
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      RE: I don't think it should come as a surprise -
Sep 30th 2003
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      Blind Willie McTell
Sep 30th 2003
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      Blind Willie Wenders
Sep 30th 2003
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      Don't forget -
Sep 29th 2003
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           Ry Cooder's "discoveries"
Sep 30th 2003
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RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS
Sep 30th 2003
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Tuesday's episode was great
Sep 30th 2003
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      Rosco -
Sep 30th 2003
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Is Bobby Rush Lil John grandfather
Oct 01st 2003
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Warming By The Devil's Fire
Oct 02nd 2003
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American Masters: Muddy Waters
Oct 02nd 2003
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Godfathers and Sons (directed by Marc Levin)
Oct 02nd 2003
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RE: Godfathers and Sons (directed by Marc Levin)
Oct 02nd 2003
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      that's how I felt too
Oct 02nd 2003
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           RE: that's how I felt too
Oct 02nd 2003
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                Aguilera and the blues
Oct 03rd 2003
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                     Aguilera
Oct 03rd 2003
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Red, White & Blues: holy shit!!!
Oct 03rd 2003
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Summary of The Blues series?
Oct 05th 2003
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I don't know that there's really all that much to discu
Oct 06th 2003
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      I think they did express this
Oct 06th 2003
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           RE: I think they did express this
Oct 06th 2003
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                further expressions
Oct 06th 2003
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                     and some thoughts in return
Oct 06th 2003
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                          (Slight Return)
Oct 06th 2003
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why the post didn't go platinum?
Oct 06th 2003
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RE: why the post didn't go platinum?
Oct 06th 2003
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1. "I was just about to post a reminder"
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ive been looking forward to this for months.

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http://preptimeposse.blogspot.com/

  

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I just noticed it this morning...Really looking forward to it!
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2. "I saw the one directed by Mike Figgis."
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Decent, with lots of access to big names, but nothing special. Of course, I paid to see it in the theatre, so my standards for documentary excellence were a little higher. Hopefully it has been edited somewhat for PBS because it could have been tightened up.

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4. "RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS"
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Thanks a million for putting this up. I would have missed it for sure. Just saw the first one and loved the intro, am looking forward to the whole week; just made my little tin foil antenna to get good reception.

  

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5. "RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS"
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Sun Sep-28-03 05:59 PM

          

From the looks of it, I'll enjoy this more than Ken Burns's doc on jazz.

Unlike Burns, who relied heavily on Wynton Marsalis which revealed Marsalis's bias against material post-'67/'68 or so - how are you gonna discount "Bitches Brew"? Anyway.

What Scorsese did in the opening episode was to not patronize the viewer; instead of making overtures to educate an ignorant audience, felt it was positioned moreso towards those at least somewhat familiar w/ the genre. Not going into depth over Johnson's supposed pact w/ the devil, but focusing moreso on Johnson's legacy was one example. Another would've been the remark that drums were prohibited by slave/plantation owners w/o further elaboration - anyone remotely aware of historical precedent or the lexicon of popular music in America would know that drums were forbidden b/c it was believed to be a potential means of communication. Good stuff - let the audience raise its collective IQ instead of pandering. The way it should be.

Wondering what foreign-born auteurs like Wenders and Figgis have to say about the music, especially since the soul and grit evident in practitioners such as Howlin' Wolf and Little Walter were never duplicated by devotees such as Jagger, Plant, Page et al (not discounting their musical contributions, but it wasn't *authentic* Clarksdale MS Delta blues per se - moreso the British '60s blues revival interpretation - mimicry, but *not* the genuine article - Fleetwood Mac's Peter Green probably gets the lone free pass).

Stones of present day or RL Burnside - shouldn't even be a question.

  

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6. "I'm with you."
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>From the looks of it, I'll enjoy this more than Ken Burns's
>doc on jazz.

I thought tonight's film was excellent. And this is coming from me who is not a big fan of Scorsese in the first place.

>
>Unlike Burns, who relied heavily on Wynton Marsalis which
>revealed Marsalis's bias against material post-'67/'68 or so
>- how are you gonna discount "Bitches Brew"? Anyway.

The Ken Burns Jazz films were dreadful and incomplete to say the least. To just skip and skim over the entire avant-garde scene (and the political/spiritual foundations it rests upon) was an absolute disgrace. What about Albert Ayler, Sun Ra, Pharoah Sanders, and so on?

And is it just me, or does Burns seem to want to sink documentary film back into its boring schoolhouse past? He's like the anti-Barbara Kopple. What would the Maysles think?

>
>What Scorsese did in the opening episode was to not
>patronize the viewer; instead of making overtures to educate
>an ignorant audience, felt it was positioned moreso towards
>those at least somewhat familiar w/ the genre. Not going
>into depth over Johnson's supposed pact w/ the devil, but
>focusing moreso on Johnson's legacy was one example.
>Another would've been the remark that drums were prohibited
>by slave/plantation owners w/o further elaboration - anyone
>remotely aware of historical precedent or the lexicon of
>popular music in America would know that drums were
>forbidden b/c it was believed to be a potential means of
>communication. Good stuff - let the audience raise its
>collective IQ instead of pandering. The way it should be.

co-sign completely on all that.

I also liked the fact that Scorsese did very little narration of his own. Because of that, the film took on a nice "oral history" quality. Listening to actual musicians and witnesses of the music's birth and formation. Scorsese just filled in the gaps and provided the appropriate segues.

Also think Corey Harris was a worthy "host". Thank god it wasn't somebody like Kenny Wayne Shepard or any of the other Stevie Ray Vaughn clones.

>
>Wondering what foreign-born auteurs like Wenders and Figgis
>have to say about the music,

I'm looking forward to the Wenders film tomorrow. But it could go either way I think. May not be a guaranteed success.

So, yeah. Scorsese made a good film here. Liked the clips he used of Son House--you got to see that really brutal style of guitar he played. Glad he put in those brief clips of Lead Belly too. Lead Belly is a big hero of mine. After Woody Guthrie, probably my favorite of all folk singers.

  

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9. "You would be -"
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>I also liked the fact that Scorsese did very little
>narration of his own. Because of that, the film took on a
>nice "oral history" quality. Listening to actual musicians
>and witnesses of the music's birth and formation. Scorsese
>just filled in the gaps and provided the appropriate segues.

That's why I think Scorsese ought to stay w/ docs at this point in his career - it's obvious that he invests a lot of time and passion into 'em and that the resulting work is less unwieldy than his cinematic output.

>Also think Corey Harris was a worthy "host". Thank god it
>wasn't somebody like Kenny Wayne Shepard or any of the other
>Stevie Ray Vaughn clones.

At the end of the day, it's an *African-American* musical form w/ inherent roots from across the Atlantic. To recruit someone like Shepard would've been a disservice. And regardless of what anyone thinks, guitar noodling a la SRV does NOT = blues. He needs to be grouped in w/ Joe Satriani, you know? Not Charley Patton.

>So, yeah. Scorsese made a good film here. Liked the clips
>he used of Son House--you got to see that really brutal
>style of guitar he played. Glad he put in those brief clips
>of Lead Belly too. Lead Belly is a big hero of mine. After
>Woody Guthrie, probably my favorite of all folk singers.

Heddie Ledbetter? Glad he also paid respect to Lomax junior and senior. Son House w/ his resonator and slide, can't get more minimal nor emotive than that.

U1 here KF - but you *knew* that.

  

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23. "RE: You would be -"
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>That's why I think Scorsese ought to stay w/ docs at this
>point in his career - it's obvious that he invests a lot of
>time and passion into 'em and that the resulting work is
>less unwieldy than his cinematic output.

Yep. More "Last Waltz", Less "Gangs Of New York". That should be his motto.

>To recruit
>someone like Shepard would've been a disservice. And
>regardless of what anyone thinks, guitar noodling a la SRV
>does NOT = blues. He needs to be grouped in w/ Joe
>Satriani, you know? Not Charley Patton.

That's right. The Stevie Ray Vaughn school of blues playing is ridiculous to me. I mean at some point you HAVE to put a space in between the notes don't you? All that show-off playing and hyper activity can't communicate the emotional content of ONE NOTE played by Son House or Robert Johnson.


>Heddie Ledbetter?

Huddie Leadbetter. One of the greats. Recorded what I think are the definitve versions of folksong classics like "In The Pines", "Duncan And Brady", and "Take This Hammer".

And it should be noted that Woody Guthrie actually lived with Lead Belly and his family in New York. They were great friends and made some great records together. That whole group of friends and folksingers were revolutionary: Woody, Lead Belly, Sonny Terry, Brownie McGhee, Pete Seeger, and Cisco Houston.

A gang of geniuses. The nucleus of the folk movement in the 40s.

>Glad he also paid respect to Lomax junior
>and senior.

The Lomaxes did so much great work bringing this music to a wider audience.

Also, it was Alan Lomax who came to Kentucky and recorded the great labor activist/folksinger Aunt Molly Jackson. Yay Kentucky!


  

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24. "If I may intercede"
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>>To recruit
>>someone like Shepard would've been a disservice. And
>>regardless of what anyone thinks, guitar noodling a la SRV
>>does NOT = blues. He needs to be grouped in w/ Joe
>>Satriani, you know? Not Charley Patton.
>
>That's right. The Stevie Ray Vaughn school of blues playing
>is ridiculous to me. I mean at some point you HAVE to put a
>space in between the notes don't you? All that show-off
>playing and hyper activity can't communicate the emotional
>content of ONE NOTE played by Son House or Robert Johnson.

There's a place for SRV and his disciples... but for my money Rapster's not too far off the mark, though in no way should Stevei be discounted as a guitarist.
But guitar pyrotechnics have always been part of the blues, too, so who are we to say? Listen to the Reverend's version of "Samson and Delilah" or some classic Blind Blake. More emotional, maybe, but al the same, fast and flashy as hell on the picking side.

>And it should be noted that Woody Guthrie actually lived
>with Lead Belly and his family in New York. They were great
>friends and made some great records together. That whole
>group of friends and folksingers were revolutionary: Woody,
>Lead Belly, Sonny Terry, Brownie McGhee, Pete Seeger, and
>Cisco Houston.

Almanac Singers and friends, baby, along with Lee Hays and Fred Hellerman, and Ronnie Gilbert who became the 4th Weaver.

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25. "RE: If I may intercede"
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>But guitar pyrotechnics have always been part of the blues,
>too, so who are we to say?

Well, there's some truth to that. I mean there's nothing wrong with a little showmanship, you know? But I think people like Kenny Wayne Shepard cross a fine line.

>Almanac Singers and friends, baby, along with Lee Hays and
>Fred Hellerman, and Ronnie Gilbert who became the 4th
>Weaver.

Yes indeed. And while everybody's talking about Elia Kazan and the blacklist, it should also be mentioned that the Weavers were victims of the blacklist too. (Seems like they covered just about every subversive artist this side of the atlantic ocean).

But yeah, the Almanac Singers were the socialist super group of all time. Can't beat that!

And, D, while we got you over here in Reviews. . . have you heard Gillian Welch's new album? It's a good one.

How about the new Steve Earle record. "Just An American Boy". Mighty good stuff so far as I can tell.

  

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39. "Don't know it"
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>And, D, while we got you over here in Reviews. . . have you
>heard Gillian Welch's new album? It's a good one.
>
>How about the new Steve Earle record. "Just An American
>Boy". Mighty good stuff so far as I can tell.

Haven't really heard either, just a random song here & there. I don't really buy anything new anymore, trying to keep a budget. Both sound good from what I can hear on AAA and from what I've read.

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45. "RE: Don't know it"
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>Haven't really heard either, just a random song here &
>there. I don't really buy anything new anymore, trying to
>keep a budget. Both sound good from what I can hear on AAA
>and from what I've read.

A budget? Man, forget food and shelter! It's all about the music!

That's rule number one from the Hobo Book Of Blues.

Here and I thought you were a real hobo. lol.

  

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47. "Real hobos buy from the $1 used vinyl bin"
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and play the washtub bass.

I think I've got you there...

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48. "RE: Real hobos buy from the $1 used vinyl bin"
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>and play the washtub bass.
>
>I think I've got you there...

2 shay.

But ain't it hard to hop trains with a washtub bass?

See there. . . that's why so many hobos play the harmonica.

  

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32. "LD -"
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>There's a place for SRV and his disciples... but for my
>money Rapster's not too far off the mark, though in no way
>should Stevei be discounted as a guitarist.
>But guitar pyrotechnics have always been part of the blues,
>too, so who are we to say? Listen to the Reverend's version
>of "Samson and Delilah" or some classic Blind Blake. More
>emotional, maybe, but al the same, fast and flashy as hell
>on the picking side.

I think though that what transpires is that the flashy showmanship on display usually usurps any deep-rooted "soul" - it's all too bland at the end of the day. I mean I don't mind listening to Dickie Betts, Gregg Allman et al do Robert Johnson covers, but I'd rather listen to Johnson disciple Elmore dust his proverbial broom - and, yeah, his guitar roars, but it's not *pitch perfect*, but warts and all.

  

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Rapster
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34. "RE: LD -"
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What it does it champion technique over content which is suspect, especially in the context of the blues.

Which reminds me of this 8 + CD box set that Charly Records issued of Howlin' Wolf. There are like 4 or 5 takes of "Backdoor Man" and "Smokestack Lightnin'" - there are mistakes and miscues galore, but all sound glorious. I'd rather listen to that than chords vis-a-vis Shepard ad nauseum.

And takes me to Madlib - in his case, he ought to be favoring technique/execution over content - I don't need to hear everything he does and looping the opening bars of Gap Mangione's "Diana in the Autumn Wind" over some clumsy drums for "The Official" just doesn't cut it. On top of that, why is he messing w/ that sample when Jay already set the standard w/ SV's "Fall in Love"? He ought to advertise for a personal editor.

  

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36. "Well"
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Yes and no.

I mean, I don't like any of the new generation of blues-rockers all that much. But the blues has been constantly evolving anyhow(despite what naysayers argue) - and if I'd grown up in the '50s, I may well not have liked Albert Collins much.

But technique over content, I can agree with that, although again thee is a fine line. There are plenty of people out there who feel that Stevie Ray was one of the most soulful guitarists of all time.

But that being said, I's almost always rather hear a "bluesman" as opposed to a "blues-rock" man (in quotes because the definitions can admitttedly be very hazy) do the songs. That was my main beef wiht last night's show - I thoght all the modern artists' renditions were awful, with the exception of Los Lobos, Bonnie Raitt, and especially Shemekia (though I did skip the last half-hour). But man - that Lou Reed? Atrocious.

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31. "RE: You would be -"
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Mon Sep-29-03 08:49 PM

          

>>Heddie Ledbetter?
>Huddie Leadbetter. One of the greats. Recorded what I
>think are the definitve versions of folksong classics like
>"In The Pines", "Duncan And Brady", and "Take This Hammer".

KF - you really tripping now - you still ain't figured it out? I purposely misspelled Leadbelly's government name to mimic its appearance as such on a flyer w/in the segment. Tsk, tsk, KF - lol.

  

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>KF - you really tripping now - you still ain't figured it
>out? I purposely misspelled Leadbelly's government name to
>mimic its appearance as such on a flyer w/in the segment.
>Tsk, tsk, KF - lol.

lol. You know me, I'm liable to start explaining anything!

But he really was awesome though. lol.

  

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21. "Nice little review..."
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I didn't see the Ken Burns documentary, so I can't comment on that, but I totally agreed with this:

>What Scorsese did in the opening episode was to not
>patronize the viewer; instead of making overtures to educate
>an ignorant audience, felt it was positioned moreso towards
>those at least somewhat familiar w/ the genre. Not going
>into depth over Johnson's supposed pact w/ the devil, but
>focusing moreso on Johnson's legacy was one example.
>Another would've been the remark that drums were prohibited
>by slave/plantation owners w/o further elaboration - anyone
>remotely aware of historical precedent or the lexicon of
>popular music in America would know that drums were
>forbidden b/c it was believed to be a potential means of
>communication. Good stuff - let the audience raise its
>collective IQ instead of pandering. The way it should be.

So far, so good. I hope I enjoy the rest of the series this much! ks

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7. "Mahalo nui"
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I was about to make a post on this and anchor it, but since you had done it, I decided to anchor it myself. I hope everyone who reads this post will comment about the series this week, and perhaps share their views and opinions on the blues.

I got into the blues through Led Zeppelin and Eric Clapton. I read the labels and saw names like Bukka White and Memphis Minnie, and wanted to know who they were. I was never satisfied with just Led Zeppelin. Like all music, I wanted to hear it over and over, but I also wanted to know what made them tick. What were their influences. The Beatles didn't just come up and say boom, here's our music. They were heavily influenced by American music that came through the docks of Liverpool, and in turn they gave it back to us. Same for the Rolling Stones, except they were more into the blues and music from Chicago and the South.

I remember going to the store and buying some blues cassettes on Chess. It was like hearing the original versions of all the songs I loved: "Bring It On Home", "You Need Love"... it all came from somewhere else. I eventually got into Robert Johnson, and it felt more... I hate having to use this word but, "raw". When you listened to the Chess stuff from the mid-50's to the early 60's, it was polished already. Still gritty, but they were in a professional recording studio. Robert Johnson recorded his work in a hotel room, and they were definitely "primitive" but you could feel it.

I eventually bought the Chess Box sets for Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, and Willie Dixon. It's a form of music that one can get into easy because while it may seem simple, sometimes the most simple music can be the one that touches the heart the most.

Early Hawaiian music is very much like the blues. If you listen to music from the 1940's to 1969 or so, Hawaiian music was based on a same style of playing and singing, to where you could probably play the same instrumental and come up with a thousand songs. It wasn't until the 60's, when every form of music (I just saw a documentary on country music so it happened there too) went through a major change. The old cha-langalang style of Hawaiian music would now become "contemporary" with new folk and rock influences. Some of these Hawaiian musicians, including guitarist Ledward Ka'apana, were heavily influenced by not only rock records, but the blues. While a lot of modern Hawaiian music today seems far removed from the source, there was a huge amount of Hawaiian music from 1969-1975 that managed to look outside of its own and create an outward music. The same can be said about the blues

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My point in bringing up the Hawaiian side of things was because of a few things that were said in tonight's documentary. There were so many good points that I wish I had taken notes. I'm paraphrasing here, but it said how you can change the name of the man, take away his clothes, take away his shoes, and take him away from his land, but the one thing you can never take away is his culture. It's a coincidence that this comes up, because Wynton Marsalis made a statement in the press recently that the cultural fabric of America is fading away. He said something to the effect of the youth lacking a "cultural identity".

As a transplanted Hawaiian living in Washington State, I want to keep a strong contact with my people and my culture. I am of many ethnicities, but my culture is Hawaiian and always will be. Another comment that was made in the show that regardless of how far people are, if you are in touch with your culture, you are always communicating with your people.

Or the one where it was said "as a Black American, you should not feel like a foreigner here. You left your home to come home." It affected me in a different way, because a lot of times I fear going back to Hawai'i because of how I might be perceived. Or will I even be accepted? It is very different from what Corey Harris may have experienced, but when one is in touch with their roots, they seek something that they feel they need to seek and find.

Music obviously affects us in many ways, and whether it's as a fan or as a musician, or someone like myself who tries to put together sounds from other sources to make my messages known, we are all communicating.

I like what Salif Keita said about the link between American blues and the music of Africa. It's really about love and suffering. Keita talked about how he was in a boat in the middle of nowhere, and he wrote a song where he wanted a woman, any woman, even if it was an imaginary one. I've felt that many times before. It is one aspect of the blues, longing for something and hoping for a better day.

In the last two years I have been looking and listening to more indigenous music. I don't want to hear about Ginuwine and him pissing and moaning about wanting a special woman in specific jeans. In 2001 I just got turned off from a lot of the crap I had been hearing, and I found reading magazines like "Songlines" and "Global Rhythm" got me exposed to music from other countries that I might never had wanted to hear before. The music of Greece, Portugal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and various countries in Africa became my musical diet, and even though I couldn't understand a word for the most part, I felt the music. The music of Africa is as vast as the continent itself, and it's sad there isn't enough time in my life to experience and hear it all.

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I remember hearing about this blues special last year, when it was mentioned that 2003 was going to be the "year of the blues". I encourage everyone to watch this.




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8. "RE: Mahalo nui"
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Yo JB -

Don't forget that the resonator (both steel and wood bodies) guitar is a *fundamental* mainstay in both the blues and Hawai'ian music...

  

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10. "you're very right"
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Someone wanted me to do a full article for The Lesson on Hawaiian music, and I might do that when October begins.

But yeah, even though the guitar came from different places and the slide came for different reasons (the guitars arrived in Hawai'i through the Spanish in the 1850's for the Hawaiian cowboys, or the "Paniolo"), it is amazing to see the indirect similarities between early Hawaiian slide and the blues.

Indian musicians heard early Hawaiian records and wanted to duplicate that style. Someone brought a Hawaiian slide guitar to India and in turn it would create a new way of playing Indian music, as witnessed by people such as Vishwa Mohan Bhatt.


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11. "I wish I could anchor anything I wanted. n/m"
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12. "two reasons"
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1) The blues isn't just "anything" you wanted.
2) Apparently The Roots (or at least ?uest) will be making an apperance within the series, and I felt that it was significant enough for it to be anchored.



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13. "Can you anchor the Lesson one?"
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and be sure to watch tonight for JB Lenoir.

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14. "I'm only the mod for Reviews"
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You'd have to ask the mods for The Lesson to anchor something.

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17. "and skip james"
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18. "Common is in it as well"
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?uest and Rahzel are the members of the roots involved, that one airs thursday.

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15. "I got to go to the concert"
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at radio city music hall a few months back.

it was loooooooooooooooooooooooooong, but so friggin' good, except for Chuck D's performance. Mos was a lil wack too.

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filmed that concert.

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22. "even though there's six more to go?"
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43. "last night's was pretty good..."
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sunday's???
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20. "More blues on PBS: Muddy Waters"
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American Masters: Muddy Waters. It's airing at various times throughout this week and next. Check the PBS site for your local listings.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/waters_m.html

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26. "RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS"
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Great look.

King James Bible states in (1st Corinthians 14:8-9)-"..Again, If the trumpet does NOT sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?..So it is with you."

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27. "The Soul of a Man (Wim Wenders)"
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Damn that was good. Skip James is my personal favourite and Wenders did him justice. As well as Blind Willie Johnson and JB. The interpretations by the current artists were pretty damn good as well, beck being the highlight. Great Stuff.

Oh and i missed the interview with scorsese following his episode, were there any notable highlights to it?

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28. "I was disappointed"
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I wasn't that crazy about it. I didn't think it came off as well as Scorsese's film (and I can't even believe I'm saying that).

I didn't care for the first half very much at all. However, the excellent footage of Skip James and JB Lenoir in the second half made it worth watching. Skip was so great. Such a good guitarist. And I'm glad they covered Lenoir's civil rights side.

I love Blind Willie Johnson too. Used to always take a tape of his music when I'd go on camping trips with friends. It's the perfect soundtrack for Kentucky hills.

I have to say I didn't like too much of the "new" musicians segments.

And am I crazy or was Pete Thomas from The Attractions playing percussion with Los Lobos? It looked kinda like him. . . but it couldn't have been. . . could it?

Anyway, there were some good moments. . . mostly from archival footage, but overall I felt it was a disappointment. And I like Wim Wenders, so that's a drag. And I don't like Scorsese very much but I loved his film. How bout that!


  

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The first half was odd, and I'm wondering where Wim Wenders was going with it. Was he just testing out the old camera he discovered, or was he trying to make a point? The lip-sync performances weren't on the money either.

But once they got into the archival footage in the second half, it became much more interesting.

I however did enjoy most of the new performances of the songs, Lou Reed being the exception. Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, Beck, Cassandra Wilson, and Los Lobos were all great. What was the quote Bonnie Raitt made in the 70's, "I never sat on a blue's man's face that I didn't like"? Some are quick to pass her off as just being a success after NICK OF TIME, but the woman has been doing the blues for years and very well too. She did a little jerk with her body that made me go "well damn, what are you thinking about Miss Raitt?"

What I've liked so far is being able to hear and see some of the names that most of us have seen only in songwriting credits on record labels and back covers, or maybe in passing in blues articles.

While he isn't only a blues musician, anyone know if Eddie Bo will be highlighted in any of this week's movies?









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30. "hmm"
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there was some stuff i wasnt crazy about (willie in the sky with diamonds) but i liked the re-enactmanets for the most part they were tastefully done and a good alternative to say a montage of stock footage of the region would have been. i agree most of the modern musicians were disapointing, a better stage setting would have helped and some of the re-interpritations didnt work at all (jon spencer & los lobos who usually do great covers). Nick Cave, Lou Reed, Cassandra Wilson, and Beck i though were really good and who were those guys with eagle eye cherry?
I agree it wasnt as good as scorsese's but Wenders concept was a bit more ambitious.

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37. "One of the guys with Eagle Eye Cherry"
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was James Blood Ulmer, a legend and one of the musicians the Roots got to play on the second half of 'Water.'

I actually missed that clip but did hear the song on the radio this week.

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40. "RE: One of the guys with Eagle Eye Cherry"
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that was my Uncle David playing harmonica

  

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much obliged.

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33. "I don't think it should come as a surprise -"
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>I wasn't that crazy about it. I didn't think it came off as
>well as Scorsese's film (and I can't even believe I'm saying
>that).
>I didn't care for the first half very much at all. However,
>the excellent footage of Skip James and JB Lenoir in the
>second half made it worth watching. Skip was so great.
>Such a good guitarist. And I'm glad they covered Lenoir's
>civil rights side.

Wenders has been spinning his wheels ever since "Wings of Desire" (whereas I tend to champion his '76 epic "Kings of the Road") - even his doc of Nicholas Ray was treacly at best. Martin's output of late has been insipid, but his docs on American and Italian film are quality so...

>I love Blind Willie Johnson too. Used to always take a tape
>of his music when I'd go on camping trips with friends.
>It's the perfect soundtrack for Kentucky hills.

Don't be forgetting Blind Willie McTell either.

>I have to say I didn't like too much of the "new" musicians
>segments.

Despite the best efforts of labels such as Alligator, the grit and rough hewn edges of recording techniques in the past really suited the genre a lot better. Fat Possum seems like it's the only operation willing to cut stuff on the fly, like it ought to be. Juke joints in MS don't have glitzy neon signs a la Buddy Guy's club in Chicago - you're lucky if there's a handpainted signpost pointing you in the correct direction.

  

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38. "RE: I don't think it should come as a surprise -"
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>>I love Blind Willie Johnson too. Used to always take a tape
>>of his music when I'd go on camping trips with friends.
>>It's the perfect soundtrack for Kentucky hills.
>
>Don't be forgetting Blind Willie McTell either.

my brother had a Blind Guy Scrabble party once - they listened to all music by blind guys. Blind Willie Johnson, Blind Willie McTell, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Ray Charles, Doc Watson. One of the guys tried to argue with me that Sonny Terry wasn't blind.

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41. "Blind Willie McTell"
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>Don't be forgetting Blind Willie McTell either.<

I have a great compilation by him on Atlantic that I highly recommend.



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46. "Blind Willie Wenders"
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>Wenders has been spinning his wheels ever since "Wings of
>Desire"

It's true. Sad but true.

>Don't be forgetting Blind Willie McTell either.

See, I'm glad you brought him up. Blind Willie McTell is truly one of my favorites. There's nothing better in this world than listening to Willie McTell sing "Broke Down Engine" or "Georgia Rag". Not to mention "Mama, Let Me Scoop For You".

He had such a "sweet" voice. It set him apart from a lot of other players from that era. And his guitar playing is out of this world.

I hope someone from this Blues series includes him in their film.

>Despite the best efforts of labels such as Alligator, the
>grit and rough hewn edges of recording techniques in the
>past really suited the genre a lot better.

Glossy productions of any kind of roots music can come out sounding pretty bad. Less is more when it comes to this music. Not much reason for studio wizardry.

  

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35. "Don't forget -"
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>Anyway, there were some good moments. . . mostly from
>archival footage, but overall I felt it was a
>disappointment. And I like Wim Wenders, so that's a drag.
>And I don't like Scorsese very much but I loved his film.
>How bout that!

That Wenders was responsible for the travesty that was the "Buena Vista Social Club" movie - panning incessantly on Ry and his son. Instead of focusing on individuals such as Compay and going deep into the heart of Afro-Cuban culture in Santiago de Cuba. Like I need to see Cooder's ugly mug any more than I need to - hasn't done anything worthwhile since the "Paris, Texas" soundtrack other than riding on the backs of others. Someone please explain me as to how Ry "discovered" these talents when they were there to begin w/, having previously enjoyed success before Cooder even knew where Cuba was.

Colonialism - alive and well in the political AND cultural (read: musical) arenas.

  

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42. "Ry Cooder's "discoveries""
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I know with his CHICKEN SKIN MUSIC album he simply wanted to acknowledge that there was music coming out of Hawai'i still, and it wasn't just old cha-lang-a-lang stuff. With that he didnt' say "hey, I discovered Hawaiian music" because Hawaiian music was America's pop music in the 20's and 30's.

I didn't get caught up in the Buena Vista Social Club hysteria until after the fact. I'd have to watch the movie again, but I didn't realize they focused so much on Cooder.



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50. "RE: Martin Scorsese presents The Blues on PBS"
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Caveat - did not see the entire episode so this is derived from the content that I did view.
3rd segment - thought this was an interesting and somewhat effective strategy - documenting both Rush and King, but returning to the focal point of Memphis.

Personal highlights -

Phillips's conversation w/ Ike - it's obvious even in that sequence that Phillips's sense of democracy alluded to was evident and Turner's affection for Phillips.

The footage of one Chester Burnett, aka Howlin' Wolf - maybe my alltime favorite electric bluesman, tall, imposing, and a voice that growled. His version of the Mississippi Sheiks' "Sittin' on Top of the World" is a personal fave.

Rosco Gordon - he's a musical icon in my book b/c of the syncopated pattern he cut on sides back in the '50s - which got airplay on WDIA and other stations in the South including Miami, reception of which included audiences in Jamaica - listen to some of those records and you clearly locate the font of the rhythmic timing of ska. 20 years spent in Queens as a dry cleaner?

The conversation at the epilogue - whether or not the blues are a viable and valid expression in this day and age - notice the racial demographic of King's audience and the age of Rush's. Young black folk done moved on - and the blues, much like a lot of jazz today, is a musical artifact w/ stellar and magnificent contributions in the past. Also, that one cannot codify nor quantify the music w/o necessarily taking into account the context of the culture - w/o that, you're only gettin' a superficial understanding/insight of the language of the blues. 1st stop - Memphis - for those leaving the cotton plantations of the south - next stop - Chicago. And don't forget West Memphis, AK's proximity to Memphis.

  

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51. "Tuesday's episode was great"
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The Memphis music scene is looked at at a lot of different angles, but with tonight's movie you got a sense that you were entering their world, being welcomed to their neighborhood, and getting a chance to see and hear their stories and experiences. I've heard of Rosco Gordon's name only in passing, but now I want to hear more. Are there any compilations gathering the blues side of Sun Records, maybe some 4CD box set on Bear? I would like to hear some.

Watching the live footage, I was wondering if there are any rappers who are doing the exact same thing, or is it just "whenever the money is good, we'll be there"?

It was cool to see Rufus Thomas and I liked how they tapped into his early career as a radio DJ.


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52. "Rosco -"
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>The Memphis music scene is looked at at a lot of different
>angles, but with tonight's movie you got a sense that you
>were entering their world, being welcomed to their
>neighborhood, and getting a chance to see and hear their
>stories and experiences. I've heard of Rosco Gordon's name
>only in passing, but now I want to hear more. Are there any
>compilations gathering the blues side of Sun Records, maybe
>some 4CD box set on Bear? I would like to hear some.

There's a tidy compilation issued by Charly Records (from Europe) of the Sun Records sessions for Gordon - it's of dubious legality owing to the fact that the masters really belong to MCA Universal, but Charly's been reissuing MCA Universal/Chess material for years from excellent sources (actual masters) so this may be your best bet versus taking a major financial hit on your wallet w/ a Bear Family box set.

>It was cool to see Rufus Thomas and I liked how they tapped
>into his early career as a radio DJ.

Do the funky penguin, y'all - sad that most people can't place the name nor record, but know the sample. But Rufus's monologues on air could be considered along w/ the dozens and other oral traditions as being part of the roots of rap - David Toop does a nice job of proposing this in his tome "Rap Attack."

  

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53. "Is Bobby Rush Lil John grandfather"
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I know yall saw his dancer doing the bootyclap, that shit was something serious.

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54. "Warming By The Devil's Fire"
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In terms of re-enactments and telling a story, this was an excellent movie. I loved the fact that it was very vinyl-centric, about a man trying to pass on his life experiences through music and observation, and mixing that with archival footage.

It was one man's experience as a young man going to the South for the first time to see what life is like down there, and through that finding out how the blues is interwoven with everything. Love, failure, life, drink, song, pain... everything.


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55. "American Masters: Muddy Waters"
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This aired before the movie last night, and I wish it went on longer. Muddy Waters is the man, no doubt about it. It was interesting to hear Marshall Chess put down Keith Richards' story of the first time he met Muddy Waters at Chess Records in Chicago, which had become somewhat of a myth for years. Chess was like "Keith is wrong, there is no way Muddy would ever be seen in coveralls. He dressed sharp ALL the time" or something to that effect. But then Bill Wyman goes right out and says Muddy Waters helped them with his luggage.

I knew his special was going to be shown, so I went into storage to get The Chess Box sets that I have, including the 5LP Muddy Waters one. Great music.

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56. "Godfathers and Sons (directed by Marc Levin)"
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Okay, you can't tell me this wasn't the best film of the bunch so far.

For the vinyl junkie like myself, it celebrated an album that was by blues standards the outcast of the blues. Yet any of us who are producers or DJ's know that it's the one Muddy Waters album that has the breaks. For any of us who got into the blues first through Led Zeppelin or Cream, we all eventually got to ELECTRIC MUD out of default. It was Muddy Waters getting down in a hard rock fashion, but in truth Marshall Chess was saying "listen, it all comes from this man, he is the father of everything that is out now".

The title of the film is a play on the Muddy Waters album FATHERS AND SONS, which oddly enough became an influence on my new album when I was recording it last year. I had bought the album at a thrift store I believe, and came to "Long Distance Call". It fit in with the concept of my album, which is called HOME. There's a part in the song before the last line where he sings "after awhile, after awhile, after awhile, after awhile... I went back home". The anticipation in his voice about calling home is what got me to use it, but the emphasis was also what Muddy Waters said after this line, which talked about "another mule" in the stall. Yet regardless of the mule, he's going to have to go home. That's the blues. We all have to go back to our roots, and that's the whole concept behind my own album.

GODFATHERS AND SONS is a film where the original fathers are now looking at a younger generation, in this case Chuck D. I liked when he mentioned when he was getting into Muddy Waters, he pretty much wanted to be him. The upfront voice, the attitude, the authority, everything. Through e-mails, Chuck D. gets in contact with Marshall Chess, the son of Chess Records founder Leonard Chess. It leads Chuck to Chicago where they meet, and it looks and feels like they had known each other for years. But for Chuck it's a learning experience, because instead of reading and listening to the blues, through Marshall Chess he's about to experience it himself.

From the small nightclubs and performances, to meeting up with Common towards meeting the band behind the ELECTRIC MUD album, to having Johnny "Juice" Rosado going record digging, we eventually see the essential link between the blues and hip-hop, which has always been there. Hip-hop came from Jamaica, and the Jamaicans got their influence from listening to the radio broadcasts of soul, jazz, and blues coming from New Orleans. For someone like myself who enjoys reading into the threads and roots of music, it's simply digging deeper until you can't dig no more, just like a typical vinyl junkie. Yet you keep on digging. As someone looking down at the younger generation of hip-hop fans, I am sure 50 Cent is all they want to hear, and that's it. As Chuck D. said in the film, "there's a lot of young cats who don't even know what music came before 20 years ago, yet alone 5". To me, that's sad. How can you love rap music, or any music for that manner, and not want to dig deeper? I loved Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix, but there were also other names on their records. Who was Bukka White? Who was Memphis Minnie? Who is Sonny Boy Williamson? Then again, a lot of people today download, they don't read liner notes, absorb covers, read and analyze the fine print on the record label. I remember when I was a kid I wanted to be a rock star, now I would prefer to win a Grammy for best liner notes in a box set.

Another thing that was good about the film was Marshall Chess' outlook on life. To him, there was no black and white, it was all about making money in the best way they knew how. If you read the book "Spinning Blues Into Gold" by Nadine Cohodas, you'll find that Leonard and his brother Phil wanted to make money in the best way they knew how. There was a huge Polish and Jewish community that moved into Chicago, created the concept we now know as a "ghetto". Blacks from the South wanted more than what they were making down there, so they moved up to find a better life. Through this they found a lot of common ground, including a love of music, spirits, and having fun. Leonard Chess owned a small club, and fell in love with the music that was being created in Chicago. He wanted to be able to market it and sell it, and he did, at the same time wanting to help the artists. It was about good music, and it was about hustling to survive. Instead of jumping on each other, they decided to work together, and thus Chess Records was born. A few weeks later Vee Jay Records would be born, and all of this is told in this movie. I love it when Chuck D., when he's in the car with Marshall Chess, goes "and where was Vee Jay?" and Marshall goes "right here". One is feeling the excitement that Chuck D. is feeling, as if his record labels and covers are now coming to life.

Another highlight of the movie was when Marshall brought Chuck D. to the original Chess Records building on 4750 South Cottage Grove. He said not only was the place for the record label and the recording studio, but it was also the pressing plant as well. In the movie he says "my dad could come in and spend all Friday recording songs, and we'd have the record out by Saturday afternoon".

It's not mentioned in the film, but Chess was one of the first record labels that specifically went around to radio stations on the East and South to make sure that they got airplay. The book gets into how quanset huts were built specifically in key areas in the South where certain Chess artists sold the most records, especially New Orleans. So instead of carrying a station wagon full of 78's, 45's, or LP's, they could bring the master tape with them, drive to the quanset hut, and press up the records right there. These quanset hut pressing houses would eventually be used by other independent labels in the South, and the reason there are loads of quality funk and soul records in the south from the late 50's and 60's (think Eddie Bo) is due to the business sense of Phil Chess, who told Leonard it would make more sense to build manufacturing plants in various spots than to lug the records and risk having them melt before they got to its destination.

If you're on the West Coast and reading this around 11:15pm, this plays on PBS until 12:30am.


















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57. "RE: Godfathers and Sons (directed by Marc Levin)"
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I liked this one a lot too.

First of all, it was just really exciting. Marshall Chess's enthusiasm alone has me wanting to go to the record store right now!

Other highlights for me included:

The whole part with Sam Lay, the great drummer. That was great to see.

Mike Bloomfield saying if Paul Butterfield had been a tuna fish sandwhich he still would've been into the blues. . . or something like that. That was the funniest shit I ever heard.

The audio/video footage of Bob Dylan and the Butterfield Band (with Sam Lay of course) bringing electricity to people who didn't know they wanted it yet.

The whole reunion of the Electric Mud band was great. The conversation they had at the table with Common and Chuck D, and then the eventual jam session they had. And Pete Cosey! So much fun just watching that.

And how bout that first meeting of Common with Marshall Chess? That was wild.

Also have to mention that brief glimpse of Brownie McGhee, one of my favorites. Somebody better come along to do him a little more justice.

Anyway, I think this film did a good job of getting people excited about the Blues. This made it feel alive and not just "historic", but something that was "right now", or could be.

  

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58. "that's how I felt too"
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Last year or the year before, there was a celebration of "American roots" music, which was the folk stuff generally before electricity went into guitars. For me, after being bored with a lot of stuff coming out recently, I decided to listen to a lot of music from around the world. I found it more appealing.

The blues is getting older, and is definitely a "roots" music. It's not just what the white kids ripped off, but a form of music that tries to survive in today's marketplace, regardless of who buys and listens to it. But I like what you said about it being something that could easily be done now. Experimentation. If I hear another song on the radio where someone sings with the "synth voice" (think Daft Punk's "One More Time" or the first verse of 3LW's "Baby I'ma Do Right"), I'm going to kick it in.

One of the few pop singers out now that has acknowledged the blues in ANY form is Christina Aguilera. She is a huge fan of Etta James (who also has healthy output on Chess), and she had wanted to do a duet but wasn't able to hook up with James. But I've heard Aguilera regularly performs James' work in concert, in fact she was on the AMA's or the Grammy's a year or so ago and did a James song. I'm someone who feels Aguilera tries too hard, and doesn't need to. I prefer her being a bit subtle, and it would be cool if she decided to do a blues album, as long as she treated it with respect and didn't go overboard. Then again she could do Memphis Minnie's "Keep On Eatin'" and still add class to it.

Tomorrow's show seems kind of iffy. I never viewed Tom Jones as much of a blues man, even though his records had more soul and funk than labelmate Englebert Humperdinck.




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59. "RE: that's how I felt too"
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>Last year or the year before, there was a celebration of
>"American roots" music, which was the folk stuff generally
>before electricity went into guitars.

I watched that too (if it's the same one, I'm sure it is). I remember a part of that series that showed a video clip of Woody Guthrie singing with Brownie McGhee and Sonny Terry. I think they were singing "John Hardy" which is an old folksong standard.

That was a good series. Folk music is something I really love. That's all I've been listening to lately.

>
>The blues is getting older, and is definitely a "roots"
>music. It's not just what the white kids ripped off, but a
>form of music that tries to survive in today's marketplace,
>regardless of who buys and listens to it.

That's right. And folk music too. It's music that is happening now. Not just something from the past. But you really have to search for this stuff now. I mean you aren't going to see Corey Harris on MTV, you know? And this year Gillian Welch came out with an excellent folk/country album that shouldn't be overlooked.

There's other folk/country artists too like Iris Dement, Laura Cantrell, Tom House, and Richard Buckner that deserve a wider audience. But the audience is going to have to come to them.

>If I hear another song on the radio
>where someone sings with the "synth voice" (think Daft
>Punk's "One More Time" or the first verse of 3LW's "Baby
>I'ma Do Right"), I'm going to kick it in.

lol.

>
>One of the few pop singers out now that has acknowledged the
>blues in ANY form is Christina Aguilera. She is a huge fan
>of Etta James (who also has healthy output on Chess), and
>she had wanted to do a duet but wasn't able to hook up with
>James.

That's almost bizarre isn't it?

>I'm someone
>who feels Aguilera tries too hard, and doesn't need to. I
>prefer her being a bit subtle, and it would be cool if she
>decided to do a blues album, as long as she treated it with
>respect and didn't go overboard.

Her problem is the problem all new pop singers have. They over-sing. Remember how Frank Sinatra used to just hold a note? It worked! There's no reason to show off. The music isn't even in the notes, it's in the space between them So, put a little space in between them! It's all in the phrasing. No more of this ohhoeeOOEehhheoOEoeoEh shit.

>Tomorrow's show seems kind of iffy. I never viewed Tom
>Jones as much of a blues man, even though his records had
>more soul and funk than labelmate Englebert Humperdinck.

Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to this one either.

  

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60. "Aguilera and the blues"
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is a strange combination.

Mary who works in my office took her daughter to the Philadelphia show and said that was everyone's favorite part of the show.

The Inquirer described her as having "battered" a number of Etta James songs.

I'll remain skeptical.

folk music... yeah. But among us that's preaching to the converted. If we could just get through to summadem Lessonheads...

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Everybody talks about her overdoing it. Yet the one song where she didn't do that (and in truth, all of the songs she did before, including the one for "Mulan") is "Genie In A Bottle". It's the song that put her on the map, and my favorite song by her. Listen to "Come On Over", there are points where you just want to tell her "keep it smooth, stop that doing that thing where you have to prove".

It reminds me of En Vogue, where on every TV show they were on they had to show that yes, they can sing, in case, people thought they were much more than pretty faces.

I would not want to be a pop artist today and try to deal with the pressure of trying to gain exposure. I have problems with getting a package of 50 CD's shipped to me.



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62. "Red, White & Blues: holy shit!!!"
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Last night I was skeptical about this film, but I think that *THIS* has been the best film in the series so far. I could not believe this.

Being a fan of most of the artists featured in this film, almost everything they said was a revelation. I think here in America we have grown to assume that "the British stole the blues and gave it back to America" and that was it. What "Red, White & Blues" wanted to establish was that these young musicians fell in love with the music coming from America, and simply played it because it felt good. From jazz to blues, as well as early R&B, it would come to America and they would absorb it like a sponge. It was "folk music" and they interpreted it as such, it wasn't "black music" to them although they knew who did it, where it came from, and that it should always be treated with respect.

I did not know that skiffle originally came from the blues. If you watch Beatles and Rolling Stones documentaries, both bands often made fun of "skiffle" and I always assumed that Lonnie Donegan was a musician that these guys viewed as a joke. In truth, Donegan was heavily influenced by Leadbelly. Skiffle turned into the big folk movement that ruled British music for the early 60's, which seemed as nerdy as the music created here by the likes of The Kingston Trio.

All of the musicians in the film, including Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, John Mayall, Tom Jones, and everyone else talked about how when the records were brought in to British shores, they would do anything they could to get these records. Some were able to catch radio broadcasts from Germany, originally targeted for the U.S. military who were stationed in England, and they would get a chance to hear all of this new music. There was no hesitation in embracing this music that here in the U.S., was considered the "devil's music" not only by whites, but by blacks as well.

There were so many good points in this film I don't know where to start. John Mayall talked about how Eric Clapton would go into Mayall's huge record collection and pretty much take in everything. Then Eric Clapton says "I bought Charles Mingus, a lot of jazz, and it was all good music to me. I didn't view it as this or that, it was all the same music." That statement has been a belief that I have always believed myself. We go to the store and see music separated in sections merely so the public knows where to go. "Target audience". But I have grown to realize that all music is somehow connected, it is we as humans who have reservations about who performs it, and who should listen to it.

The best section of this film was called "Vinyl", and anyone who is a record collector will no doubt understand this part of the film. All the musicians talked about all the records that influenced by them, and mentioned them by label, what musicians played on what, what the B-sides were, and why that particular record made them want to pick up a guitar or sing. It was like a record nerd paradise, and I understood every word of it. Through the edits in the film you would hear one person mention a guitarist in a song, then it would cut to someone else mentioning the same guy, and another make the reference, and you tend to feel that everyone had a sense of what was good music and what wasn't. They talked about how they would often participate in record listening parties to simply take in all the records that came to their shores.

Eric Burdon made one of the more revealing comments when he said something to the effect of "we loved music that came from black American culture, a form of music that white America wanted to put into the trash and treated it and them as such". Steve Winwood then went on to say that "we wanted to tell America that this music was not trash, this was the music that moved us to become the musicians we are".

They did mention The Beatles and the Rolling Stones. B.B. King said that "even though The Beatles were doing something different, you could definitely hear that they were influenced by the music of America, and definitely a hint of the blues." When The Rolling Stones came on, one guy said "they were pretty much a blues band from the start". They would come to America, and fans would be blown away by the British invasion. Fans and critics would ask who were their influences, and they would mention people like Muddy Waters and Sonny Boy Williamson. The answer they always got was "who? Who is Muddy Waters?" The British bands were shocked because they assumed that it was the same for America across the board, that the U.S. was a country where all of their favorite records and artists were celebrated. Not so.

What I wasn't aware of either was the influence of . Here she was with a church choir behind her clapping, and she's playing these mean riffs with her electric guitar (it looked like a Gibson SG but I may be wrong onthis). That sound became "the sound" of bands like The Kinks and The Yardbirds, an electric blues sound that would become the trademark for hundreds of other British bands. I've always heard of Sister Rosetta but never had interest in hearing her records. Now I do.

They also got into the British jazz scene briefly, and eventually a blues scene, which was very educational since Ken Burns didn't touch on this in his PBS special (then again, I'm sure some jazz purists would have felt that this part of jazz history was not important.) I had never heard of a song by "Bad Penny Blues" by , which is considered to be the first British jazz record ever made. This song was a major influence on the blues and skiffle in England. This song would also become the blueprint of what was to become "Lady Madonna" by The Beatles, a song that for me had a New Orleans feel to it.

I've heard of Chris Farlowe but I wasn't aware of his influence to the British blues scene until this movie. He talked about recording some songs with his band, and one of the songs was "". The song would be released without his permission, but under the name Little Joe Cook. The song itself was bluesier than the work under the Chris Farlowe name, and people wanted to see Little Joe Cook perform live, at clubs and on television. People would call the record company and they had to say "he is unreachable at this time". Critics and fans thought Little Joe Cook was black, and the record started to gain momentum. When the record company told a magazine that this was Chris Farlowe, they refused to believe it.

Farlowe himself remembers meeting a blues musician in America (he didn't say who) and the musician goes "you know, I now know two guys named Chris Farlowe". Farlowe replied "oh really", and the musician said yeah. I know you, and there's a guy in England named Chris Farlowe too, he sang "Stormy Monday". Farlowe tells him "that's me man". The musician refused to believe and he said "no, this Chris Farlowe in that song is black". "Stormy Monday" is considered to be an important record among many artists in England.

Then here comes 1966, and B.B. King mentions the influence of Cream, and how their sound revolutionized not only British rock, but made Americans want to embrace the blues even more. Through these British artists, blues musicians were able to play in front of crowds, white crowds that for them would have been impossible 10 years previous. In the late 60's, many blues musicians were getting the royal treatment for the first time in their home country, something that had been reserved for them in England only.

In a way it's almost bittersweet, because even though B.B. King doesn't directly say it, his face said more especially in the movie that spotlighted him a few nights ago. To me, I interpret it as "why didn't America embrace us before? Why did it have to go to England, be brought back by these guys, before America treated us seriously?" I am sure there was animosity, but the white kids in England loved the music, and they simply wanted to come to America and experience it for themselves. When they found out that not all of America even knew what the blues was, they felt they had to spread its message anyway. If it wasn't for the passion felt by Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, John Mayall, Peter Green, Albert Lee, and everyone else, B.B. King even admitted it by saying "we probably would have still been in the situation we were in", and King went on to thank the British musicians for exposing America to its own music.

You know what shocked me more than anything Lulu? Lulu looks better now than she did in the 60's, and her voice... shit. I know of "To Sir With Love" and I remember her doing a cover of the Isley Brothers "Shout" with her spunky voice, but I was blown away with her performance.
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To sum it up, this movie was not only great for the music and the interviews, but it was educational to the point where I was overwhelmed. Most of the information shared I did not know, and my assumptions of how the British were influenced by the blues was very limited. I knew that the records were shipped to the UK on a boat, and fans and collectors would buy them right off the dock, but that was it. I wasn't aware that it was such a massive movement, almost a "record collector nerd"-type of movement where the fans became the musicians, and they all kept their knowledge of the music that was a part of their childhoods. That "record collector" mentality still exists with the Northern Soul and funk movements, and no doubt I am sure there are people there who know more about hip-hop than we do (as witnessed in early issues of "Big Daddy" and now "Grand Slam").

The American mentality towards music is for the most part wrong. We as Americans are quick to toss out something that isn't popular anymore, yet England has always been about "did they make a good record? Then they will always be good to us, so let's support everything they do, good and bad." This goes back to all the complaining about Common when he came out with his album. People jumped on his ass like he was the biggest sellout, and I am sure people read these posts and followed. Yet ELECTRIC CIRCUS is just one part of Common's musical legacy, one that will no doubt exist for a long time. People here were ready to toss Common out as wasteful, yet I'm sure in England there are heads in some circles who think the album is the dopest shit he's done.

It also goes back to some of the posts ?uest had made in The Lesson when they were on tour in Europe. He talked about how he didn't feel the pressure that he felt back home, and some replied "wait a minute, we're not worthy of your time anymore?" and I think if you're not an artist who is touring and experiencing the reaction from the crowd to your music, you'll never know how it feels. ?uest talked about how there really are no "streets", and that the "streets" never existed, and that of course turned into a thread that caused a dispute over what the "Streets" are, who consists on the "streets", and the truth behind what really sells records. I've never met the man, and ?uest if you're reading this don't take this as me riding on your coattails or anything. I speak from my perspective, but from afar it seemed like ?uest was getting a number of revelations, which he would briefly hint with in the dream he described having. Whether or not it was cryptic I don't know, but I think with the new found success of The Roots in Europe (or maybe greater success), he was going through that song Buddy Miles always did, and I mean "Them Changes". A lot of what ?uest talked about on these posts before his "departure" were touched upon in "Red White & Blues". To me, it felt like ?uest was questioning the success he and the band were having in Europe, and maybe wondering why he couldn't enjoy that same success here at home. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I viewed it. ?uest feels it. Prince felt it. Jimi Hendrix felt it. Muddy Waters felt it. B.B. King felt it.

Lately I've been feeling like an old man sharing my love of music and realizing that a younger generation is not listening to records the same way I did. Records aren't dead, turntables are still being made. There are still grooves in them vinyl. There are still record stores, thrift stores, garage and yard sales, with heaps of vinyl that are viewed as the great cultural wasteland of America. What people don't view as hip is tossed out for something bigger, better, fresher, and 98% fat free. Personally, it doesn't matter how old you are. If you love the music, and treat it as seriously as life itself, even though people put you down because of it, seek and find it. Buy those records, take it home, and consume it.

Watching "Red, White & Blues" was like watching why I love music in the first place. It's being a fan of the music, buying music like a madman, and then wanting to be a part of the dream to where it becomes your dream. Eric Clapton said in the film that playing the blues and making sure it's treated properly is a "mission" to him, and like a true bluesman will never stop his mission and travels to teach the world about the music he loves.
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Well? C'mon, I really expected for this to take off into a very serious discussion.

BTW - http://www.yearoftheblues.org for the curious.

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64. "I don't know that there's really all that much to discu"
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I only watched most of one (Soul of A Man) and bits of two or three others. I have the first one on tape and haven't gotten to it yet.

I don't know... I understand the films were supposed to be impressionistic rather than documentarian, but overall in what I saw (and the albums you linked to in the Lesson) I was dissappointed. Yet another case of selling out the original artists in favor of "showing their influence," that is to say, getting contemporary/modern non-blues artists to interpret them and bring in audiences that otherwise might not have paid much attention.

I'm a history student (well, I WAS at one point, anyway) and I think I'm primarily concerned with WHY and HOW things happened. There didn't seem to be a lot of that. WHY did the blues appeal so much to early '60s youth in England (and why was it so quick to replace skiffle as the alternative music of choice?)
I just get the feeling the series could have been a lot better if they'd concentrating less on making FILMS about the blues, and more on telling some serious stories. WHY, when the Stones and Yardbirds were popularizing decade-old blues tunes with frequently mediocre renditions, could my man JB Lenoir not make a living playing music? I never felt challenged, and I felt like a lot of issues that would haev made the movies more interesting/challenging were skirted around.

That said, some of the angles explored seemed interesting (I would have liked to have seen the Memphis show) and in the long run, even exposure to the blues that I'm ambivalent about is better than no exposure at all.

For my money though, to learn about blues and blues history and hear some great picking to boot, you're better off listening to this (which I did this weekend): http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS70307211802&sql=Aj4rb288r058a

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>I'm a history student (well, I WAS at one point, anyway) and
>I think I'm primarily concerned with WHY and HOW things
>happened. There didn't seem to be a lot of that. WHY did the
>blues appeal so much to early '60s youth in England (and why
>was it so quick to replace skiffle as the alternative music
>of choice?)
>I just get the feeling the series could have been a lot
>better if they'd concentrating less on making FILMS about
>the blues, and more on telling some serious stories. WHY,
>when the Stones and Yardbirds were popularizing decade-old
>blues tunes with frequently mediocre renditions, could my
>man JB Lenoir not make a living playing music? I never felt
>challenged, and I felt like a lot of issues that would haev
>made the movies more interesting/challenging were skirted
>around.

I would have flipped the question and asked why did America not appreciate its own music in the first place? Or the comment that Eric Burdon made about how America was a place that threw away its own culture and the people within it. In my writing I've often talked about adapting a British mentality to appreciating music, which is to like an artist for their full catalog, rather than the failure or success of a song or album. When I saw "Red White & Blues", I began to see things very differently. All of the music these bands did, from The Beatles to the Rolling Stones and even Pink Floyd, came from the blues and their love of blues and jazz. Here in America we view music as being in separate categories, for marketing purposes. It's great for finding records easily, but there's no need. I know when I realized that country and blues are pretty much one and the same, I decided to open my ears and not be so close-minded.

I bought the DVD "Classic Albums: Dark Side Of The Moon" and they were playing early demos of songs on the album, and also recreating early versions by performing them on acoustic guitar. I guess with an acoustic guitar, anything can be blues. But with just Roger Waters and his guitar, he showed us that "Money" is very much a blues song, going back to their early roots as a blues band.

Yesterday I listened to The Beatles' "You Know My Name (Look Up My Number)", which people still mock today. Yet take a listen, and it shows John's love of soul, blues, and jazz.
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I realize this doesn't give an answer as to why Eric Burdon made it and Sonny Boy Williamson didn't, but even in Ken Burns' JAZZ you heard artists talk about having to go to Paris where they heard there were less issues on race, to where it was non-existenct. Dexter Gordon moved to Paris for this reason alone. I think we have to look at America and ask why did we reject these people. The Jazz series talked about how New Orleans was a racially mixed for years, and then it changed with the turn of the century (1900's). Being raised in Hawai'i, I had a view that everybody loved everybody, and there was a much greater tolerance for people and their ethnicities. I moved to the mainland and had a serious wakeup call, and a lot of points expressed in "Red, White & Blues" matched my experiences.

I agree with you on how some of the films were less about education and more about being an actual "film" with acting and whatnot. "Godfathers And Sons" was a good film, but it could have been better if they not only focused more on Chess Records as a whole (and not Marshall Chess' ideas within the Cadet/Concept era) but also on Vee Jay Records and other labels in record row that made an impact with the blues.

It's hard to compare the blues and jazz series, because they were both very different. Ken Burns is a documentarian, while Martin Scorsese seemed to want to tell stories, and he did it in a manner that involved a few re-enactments. "The Soul Of A Man" was half good, but at times I'm thinking why do we have to see these guys re-create something?

But where JAZZ failed, THE BLUES succeeded.
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I would have liked to have seen a film discuss the impact of British bands, and how that in turn would influence a few American bands from the late 60's/early 70's, including Aerosmith and the Allman Brothers Band. The highlight of Derek The Dominoes' "Layla" is the slide guitar from Duane Allman. It would have also been interesting to have older musicians discuss the marketability of the blues in the last 25 years, from what was a top selling music to stuff that you couldn't even get rid of for free. Or how blues festivals are generally targeted towards white audiences, with little or no advertisement within "urban" circles. But unlike the last installment of JAZZ, nothing in THE BLUES seemed rushed. I wish they could have done three more films to discuss some of the points I made here.









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66. "RE: I think they did express this"
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>I would have flipped the question and asked why did America
>not appreciate its own music in the first place?

>Or the
>comment that Eric Burdon made about how America was a place
>that threw away its own culture and the people within it.

Basically the same questions I felt would have made the series better.

>I know when I realized
>that country and blues are pretty much one and the same, I
>decided to open my ears and not be so close-minded.

I'd argue with you on that point, but it does bring up one very valid question pertaining to the series: they never, ever looked at Blues's cross-pollination with other American musics except rock/soul. No reference to country (Hank Williams's label referred to him in one marketing campaign as "King of the Blues" after the success of "Lovesick Blues"), which adapted the blues progression to a very distinct style frequently involving yodelig, thanks Jimmy Rodgers. No reference to Cajun music, and not even a reference to Zydeco, the modern master of which once referred to (read: dismissed, IMHO) his music as "French Blues."

>I guess with an acoustic guitar, anything
>can be blues. But with just Roger Waters and his guitar, he
>showed us that "Money" is very much a blues song, going back
>to their early roots as a blues band.

Blues in that sense is just a progression, an arrangement of chords and an emphasis on certain notes, rather than something that can be done with an acoustic. This summer I saw the Holmes Brothers do an almost unrecognizable but outstanding version of "And I Love Her". You've frequently said that blues and blues-rock are one & the same to you.... I don't know, I love to appreciate across all genres, but I still believe a lot in the sanctity of genres. To me, the slide in Layla ain't blues... in fact, i'd say it sounds more like Hawaiian guitar. But that's the beauty of knowing music - interpreting it in different ways. In this, we'er doing better than the film did.


>I realize this doesn't give an answer as to why Eric Burdon
>made it and Sonny Boy Williamson didn't,

You ever hear the Sonny Boy Williamson (II/Alec 'Rice' Miller) record where he's backed by the Yardbirds? Pretty funny stuff. His quote onthe project was great: "They wanted to play the blues very badly. And they did." It was recorded after Sonny Boy had gone to Europe on the American Folk Blues Festival tour, and he decided to try to stay in London permanently (see his song "I'm trying to make London my home"). his visa application was rejected though due to vagrancy or something.

>It's hard to compare the blues and jazz series, because they
>were both very different. Ken Burns is a documentarian,
>while Martin Scorsese seemed to want to tell stories, and he
>did it in a manner that involved a few re-enactments. "The
>Soul Of A Man" was half good, but at times I'm thinking why
>do we have to see these guys re-create something?

I wasn't trying to compare... I only even saw about half of JAZZ (though my same complaints could be said for that - a lot of the WHO and the WhERE and the WhAT, but not much of the WHY). Ad it was obviouse from the get-go that the two projects were done with different intent. But neither was done in a way that I felt brought out the project's full potential.



>I would have liked to have seen a film discuss the impact of
>British bands, and how that in turn would influence a few
>American bands from the late 60's/early 70's, including
>Aerosmith and the Allman Brothers Band.

That would have been an excellent idea for a separate episode - the influence of blues on mainstream rock. Instead we get 20 minutes on Jimi and passing references to Cream, John Mayall, and the others you mention. And of course the remakes.

It would have also been interesting to have older
>musicians discuss the marketability of the blues in the last
>25 years, from what was a top selling music to stuff that
>you couldn't even get rid of for free. Or how blues
>festivals are generally targeted towards white audiences,
>with little or no advertisement within "urban" circles. But
>unlike the last installment of JAZZ, nothing in THE BLUES
>seemed rushed. I wish they could have done three more films
>to discuss some of the points I made here.

Well, a lot gets said onthe Lesson about how the black audience has largely deserted the blues (and how the blues has largely deserted the black audience). And a lot gets said about how modern recording has ruined the blues. And how very little good blues has come out since (critics disagree, but most would say in the vicinity of) 1970. And there we start to have our answers.

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>>I know when I realized
>>that country and blues are pretty much one and the same, I
>>decided to open my ears and not be so close-minded.
>
>I'd argue with you on that point, but it does bring up one
>very valid question pertaining to the series: they never,
>ever looked at Blues's cross-pollination with other American
>musics except rock/soul. No reference to country (Hank
>Williams's label referred to him in one marketing campaign
>as "King of the Blues" after the success of "Lovesick
>Blues"), which adapted the blues progression to a very
>distinct style frequently involving yodelig, thanks Jimmy
>Rodgers. No reference to Cajun music, and not even a
>reference to Zydeco, the modern master of which once
>referred to (read: dismissed, IMHO) his music as "French
>Blues."

Well don't you think that country and the blues, as entities in itself, come from the same source? I mean if we want to root it all the way back to its origins sure, both are two types of folk music, but you listen to a lot of country from the 30's and 40's, and blues from the 30's and 40's, and there are many similiarities. I know I used to be one that felt not only one was better than the other, but one was more authentic than the other. It may not be the exact, precise chord structure, but both are very similar. Then again I'm more clueless about country music.


>Blues in that sense is just a progression, an arrangement of
>chords and an emphasis on certain notes, rather than
>something that can be done with an acoustic.

Well it was more than that, I mean the theme of DARK SIDE OF THE MOON is looking at life and realizing that we can either do nothing, or do something. Within life there is joy, pain, the issue of "time", questioning us vs. them, etc. The album and the band were hyped as "space rock", but most of their music was based on lyrics firmly planted here on Earth. It's true that Pink Floyd were a blues band in the early days (pre-PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN), and it wasn't so much the music I was looking at, but matching what Roger Waters was playing and hearing the lyrics. It's about emotion, and what you get when you hear those words. The line "but if you ask for a rise, but it's no surprise that they're giving none away": it's not a "blues" lyric but it's an emotional lyric. We all want to be rich, we all want security and a roof over our heads. But we all work and struggle, and at the end of the day we realize we'll never be in Forbes' Top 10 list. I gues what I should have said that in the context of playing "Money" acoustically, it went down to the basic, its roots, and by hearing it in this context, you tend to concentrate on the lyrics a bit more than when it's done with the full band. I could play critic and go "well yes, the acoustic version of "Money" made it feel bluesy" but it was the combination of music and the appropriate lyrics that I was looking at.

Also on the DVD, Richard Wright showed how Miles Davis was a major influence on DSOTM, because he had heard a Miles Davis song with a certain chord. That chord would be an essential piece in the album (specifically in "Breathe"). With PF, what I liked about them is that they were about continuity, so not only did you hear that chord on DSOTM, but it would pop up on ANIMALS or THE WALL. Or Roger Waters when he would play a certain bass riff that originated on A SAUCERFUL OF SECRETS, resuracing on "Careful With That Axe, Eugene", showing up on ANIMALS, making itself clear once again in "Goodbye Cruel World". And then back to Miles Davis.

I guess what I'm also saying is when I hear these songs and hear them talk about it, they break it down and talk about their influences, and you hear it from that side rather than just "okay, here's the trippy keyboards, here's the hard guitar solo". It's like okay, that came from Sister Rosetta Tharpe or Bukka White.


>You've frequently
>said that blues and blues-rock are one & the same to you....
No, if anything I said both are tied together. I like blues for what it is, and I also like blues-rock for what it is. When "blues-rock" fucks it up, I'll single it out. If I want blues, I know where to go. If I want something a bit more rocking, I'll slap on THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND AT FILLMORE EAST.


>I don't know, I love to appreciate across all genres, but I
>still believe a lot in the sanctity of genres.
I do as well. I like it "as is", I'm sure you've come across my many posts about Indian classical music. I like bhangra to a degree, but give me Ravi Shankar or Kalyani Roy over Panjabi MC anyday.

>To me, the
>slide in Layla ain't blues... in fact, i'd say it sounds
>more like Hawaiian guitar.
And I'm sure you're going to say "damn John, you're Hawaiian and you didn't catch that?" I'm thinking of the solo now and I... you're right. You're giving me chicken skin now, man. Hold on, let me get the LAYLA box set...

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Oh shit. Now that you've put it in that context, of it being very Hawaiian, this song is more sad than it already is. For me, I look forward to this part of the song because I know what it means. I mean shit, it's a love song for a woman who happens to be your best friend's wife, and I always viewed this part of the song as one of the more sadder moments of any record in the early 1970's. You know why I didn't catch it? There is a huge generational gap with Hawaiians who view that early Hawaiian slide guitar stuff as too "hokey" and too "haole", as disposable as "hapa haole" Hawaiian music. In other words, just like blues-rock to some people, a lot of Hawaiian slide guitar records are not seen as authentic Hawaiian music, even though it is this form that made Hawaiian music "pop" for much of the 20's and 30's. Most of the people playing "Hawaiian slide guitar" weren't even Hawaiian, and those that were (Sol Ho'opi'i, Billy Hew Len) are known by only a select few. Gabby Pahinui was originally a slide guitarist, in fact he played this style on Sunday Manoa's CRACKED SEED album.

You now know that I'm forever going to hear "Layla" very differently. Mahalo nui.


>But that's the beauty of knowing
>music - interpreting it in different ways. In this, we'er
>doing better than the film did.
I agree.

>Well, a lot gets said onthe Lesson about how the black
>audience has largely deserted the blues (and how the blues
>has largely deserted the black audience). And a lot gets
>said about how modern recording has ruined the blues. And
>how very little good blues has come out since (critics
>disagree, but most would say in the vicinity of) 1970. And
>there we start to have our answers.

The same can be said for Hawaiian music as well. The music I grew up listening to was the post "cha-lang-a-lang" era made by the likes of Genoa Keawe. At first I hated all of that stuff, what I called my "grandfather's music". I was a diehard Sunday Manoa, Hui Ohana, and Makaha Sons Of Ni'ihau fan (still am). But as I got older, you can't help but look back and listen to those songs. For me, it's a time that no longer exists, and a time that sadly is being forgotten. Today, the kind of Hawaiian music I grew up listening to and the music of my parents and grandparents are considered "alternative". The music that is enjoyed the most is Jawaiian, the cross-breed of Hawaiian with reggae. I love reggae and all of the forms that came before and after. I love Hawaiian music with all my heart. Yet "Jawaiian" takes lesser qualities of both forms and comes up with something that sounds like pure shit. If it is true that there will be no Hawaiian people in the 22nd century, then what we have today is all we have left. We are a dying culture, this is fact, and the only proof of what was is in the music, and it isn't being listened to by Hawaiians. Yet I hear there is a huge following for Hawaiian music in Australia and Japan, and they are into it big time as much as America was temporarily into Cuban music.

As far as technology is concerned, I agree with you on the effect of recording quality and recording standards and its effect on the blues, but in truth ALL music changed when 1974 hit. Listen to a lot of the albums that came out in 1974:

Herbie Hancock-Head Hunters
Earth Wind & Fire-Open Our Eyes
Cecilio & Kapono-s/t

In a matter of ONE year, it seemed everybody made a silent agreement that the drums would be pushed to the side. Rough edges became smooth.

In Hawaiian music, it was different. A lot of the early records on 49th State, Waikiki, and Bell were recorded in living rooms or high school gyms. They couldn't afford a studio, so down home music was definitely "down home" music, I haven't heard any of the recordings Alan Lomax made but from what I heard in The Blues series, they had the same feeling.

Just like the blues, Hawaiian artists didn't take to the incoming of other influences in their music. Sunday Manoa's GUAVA JAM was subtitled "contemporary Hawaiian folk music", and it was a controversy because they incorporated a lot of American folk influences that was being heard with Crosby Stills & Nash, Grateful Dead, and everyone. Early Hawaiian music was similar to the blues in that the chord structure and phrasing for a lot of songs were all the same. The Sunday Manoa introduced something different, and no one liked it. Yet The Sunday Manoa set the standard, saying that it was perfectly okay to add some outside influences, and it only helped strengthen Hawaiian music as a whole. Up to 1975, you could count the amount of Hawaiian music coming out with one had. When 1975 came and the "Hawaiian renaissance" came to be (where people started looking into their roots and culture and made moves to preserve what was left), the Hawaiian recording industry finally grew.

However, improvements in recording quality only helped make Hawaiian music better. Like all music, it would suffer into the 1980's, when the only music being released was covers of Larry Graham and Anne Murray songs, and the influence reggae took over.

One of the best blues albums of the last ten years is The Red Devils' KING KING album on Def American. Rick Rubin recorded this bootleg style, with just a stealth mic. It has that raw feel like a lot of stuff Daptone Records does these days with their funk stuff. I never heard that album Bo Diddley did for Triple XXX Records, but I heard that was pretty raw.

I think if you were to tell B.B. King to record a raw album, he'd tell you you were nuts. I never liked King's music that much, but I remember hearing one of the prison albums he did and that was great. That album he did a few years ago on MCA with D'Angelo and some other people, that wasn't too bad.

One wonders what Soulive would sound if they entered the same kind of gritty studios that Eddie Bo used to record in. That would be sick.






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70. "and some thoughts in return"
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>Well don't you think that country and the blues, as entities
>in itself, come from the same source? I mean if we want to
>root it all the way back to its origins sure, both are two
>types of folk music, but you listen to a lot of country from
>the 30's and 40's, and blues from the 30's and 40's, and
>there are many similiarities.

Similarities there are, but as far as origins go...
Technically speaking:
Blues = African musical sensibilities filtered through the African American experience
Country = Celtic (English and Scotch-Irish) instrumentals and ballads filtered through the Appalachians (old-time music), plus a dose of Germanic music filtered through the American West (yodeling), and some jazzy improv frequently mixed with blues chord structures.

And there are places the two cross over... there was a lot of blakc string band music until the '40s that had a foot in each area, plus white jug bands that did the same. A lot of the recordings from the '30s and '40s that ape the other style did so for commercial appeal, is my guess - both styles were selling a lot of records to geographically similar audiences. Why not try to combine them and hit both with the same record? reminds me of the scene in O Brother where they're bandying about the racial makeup of the Soggy bottom Boys.

As far as Pink Floyd goes, I burned out on them (specifically DSOTM) at 15 and have never gone back. But the blues impact on psychedelia and post-psych music can't be underrated... most early garage psych (13th loor Elevators, Count Five, etc.) was only a half step removed from Chicago blues, and for a few years psych bands were building on each other. Even in his most meatheaded arena rock years Steve Miller copped two of his most famous lines in "The Joker" from old blues songs (I don't have time to research it now, but check the Striaght Dope archives for the origins of 'the pompatus of love'. And I'm sure you recognize the "peaches" line from Sittin' On Top of the World (and I think others)



>I do as well. I like it "as is", I'm sure you've come
>across my many posts about Indian classical music. I like
>bhangra to a degree, but give me Ravi Shankar or Kalyani Roy
>over Panjabi MC anyday.

That's not quite what i meant. I listen to a ton of fusion stuff... by 'the sanctity of genres', an admittedly clunky line, I was referring more to the trend toward defining the music one is listening to. like what you're doing above by separating N. Indian trad clearly from Bhangra. It's surprising how many people wouldn't make that distinction, or woudl say "i don't care what it is, I just like what I like" w/o being able to explain what they like. (of course, usually those people hav crappy tastes!)

Side note: in your paen to DSOTM above, you referenced the way they recycle elements in new and surprising ways. Have you heard Manu Chao? if not, you shold definitely check the _Clandestino_ and _proxima Estacion: Esperanza_ records for more of the same. it'll be interesting to see where he goes from here. (Don't get the live one, BTW.)

I won't comment on your Hawaiian essay either - yhough you KNOW I loved reading it. i was surprised you didn't notice the Hawaiian sound of Duane's guitar on layla - but then again I hadn't noticed it distinctly until I thought about it. And I probably wouldn't have thought about it if I hadn't been corresponding with a Hawaiian... Context can mean a lot...
At any rate, this was a great teaser for your upcoming comprehensive "All Things Hawaiian" post.
ummm.. the only Jawaiian stuff I've heard is that Konishiki KMS record, and I was taking your word on it that that's where it fits in to the scheme of things. It's crap.

Closing comment too - you up on any Okinawan music? I think you've probably heard the Bob Brozman/Takashi Hirayasu project... but there are a lot of parallells between the Hawaiian and Okinawan sounds... renaissance in the '70s, garbage in the '80s, an incredible rebirth in the mid to late '90s. Shokichi Kina's catalog is the obvious place to start (Hirayasu was his guitarist for 20 years).

One more closing comment - it's been cool reading how the Blues special has been forcing you to re-assess, or at least think about in depth, your own place in your ethnic musical culture. I wish more people were reacting to it in the way you are - what you said above about people discarding their own culture and heritage, it's very true, and it's a damn shame.

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71. "(Slight Return)"
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>I won't comment on your Hawaiian essay either - yhough you
>KNOW I loved reading it. i was surprised you didn't notice
>the Hawaiian sound of Duane's guitar on layla - but then
>again I hadn't noticed it distinctly until I thought about
>it. And I probably wouldn't have thought about it if I
>hadn't been corresponding with a Hawaiian... Context can
>mean a lot...

I guess because I knew Duane Allman as being blues influenced, I never heard the song any other way.


>At any rate, this was a great teaser for your upcoming
>comprehensive "All Things Hawaiian" post.
>ummm.. the only Jawaiian stuff I've heard is that Konishiki
>KMS record, and I was taking your word on it that that's
>where it fits in to the scheme of things. It's crap.

Yeah, and I would consider Konishiki's album lower than low, the equivalent of a Hulk Hogan album. Jawaiian is a feel good music, and I'll admit that there are a few songs that upon first listen, you can't escape it. There are groups like the Ka'ua Crater Boys, who have since split up and Sean Na'au'ao now has a successful solo career. If there's one song I would recommend as a good Jawaiian song, do a search for his "Fish & Poi" song. There's also a group called Three Plus. The rest of it... eh.

>Closing comment too - you up on any Okinawan music? I think
>you've probably heard the Bob Brozman/Takashi Hirayasu
>project... but there are a lot of parallells between the
>Hawaiian and Okinawan sounds... renaissance in the '70s,
>garbage in the '80s, an incredible rebirth in the mid to
>late '90s. Shokichi Kina's catalog is the obvious place to
>start (Hirayasu was his guitarist for 20 years).
I believe you mentioned this awhile back in another post. I have a Shokichi Kina comp on Luaka Bop that is very good.


>One more closing comment - it's been cool reading how the
>Blues special has been forcing you to re-assess, or at least
>think about in depth, your own place in your ethnic musical
>culture. I wish more people were reacting to it in the way
>you are - what you said above about people discarding their
>own culture and heritage, it's very true, and it's a damn
>shame.

I think for me, appreciating all forms of music has been automatic, I never realized there were such barriers with simply listening to music until I moved here and it seemed that if I wasn't in a category, I didn't fit in. It wasn't just music, it was me as a person. It was very "stereotypical": white people listen to country and rock, black people listen to "R&B" and jazz. If you were Mexican, then you listen to Tejano. I entered an area which told me that the music you listen to is the music you're "supposed" to listen to. It was strange. Still is.

I'm someone who definitely enjoys exploring music, going through its roots, seeing where a song has taken people, all of that. That's my "Dungeons & Dragons". I was fortunate to have family who had diverse musical tastes, and living in a place where I was open to listening to other styles of music that might be "foreign" to me. With Hawaiian music, you didn't just have musicians who were Hawaiian by birth, but musicians of many ethnicities who helped mold Hawaiian music to what it had become (I'm almost dropping hints of what I will eventually post with the Hawaiian article). The Portuguese influence can't be denied, since the 'ukulele originated from there, and a number of Portuguese folk songs would find its way into the Hawaiian repetoire.
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I guess because I grew up with records and listening to my music that way, that's how I know my music. I like, I lookup, I do research, and if I'm really into it I'll see if there's a book or documentary film on it. I think I wanted to know why the blues affected me so much, as much more than just "the original versions of songs that Cream and Led Zeppelin did". Anyone can feel the blues, and the power of music and words can move anyone.

Some older Hawaiian musicians were heavily influenced by the blues, and yet the blues was never a key element in modern Hawaiian music. It reminds me of what I've read and seen in these documentaries. Hawaiian music paid the bills, but they jammed in the wee hours of the morning by playing anything and everything. This is a side of Hawaiian music that no one has ever touched on, because it had always been an unspoken rule that if you played anything other than Hawaiian music, you were doing a disservice to your family, your people, and your culture. Yet no one has quite explained the fascination with doing watered down reggae and applying Hawaiian-themes to it.

I just hope that if it's the PBS specials, or maybe this discussion we're having here, someone younger than ourselves will take their cue to look deeper into the music. I think these days, the only research people do is to find out who sampled what.



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67. "why the post didn't go platinum?"
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me.

nah, but i could have played with myself for about forty worth. but i needed a breather . . .

i saw three episodes.

scorsese

second one

marc levin

scorses-dude is a hero so he's money with whatever. corey harris was a little wearing, but the performances and interaction with the "masters" was cool.

second one-hated this. ab-so-lute-ly hated this. all the "archival" footgae was new shit made to look old, right? i learned nothing.

marc levin-jewish dude making the best blues documentary, just like he made one of the best recent "black" films (see: slam.) common looked comatose and i must wonder what those guys thought of him in some ski outfit. i have since checked out electric mud and can see what the negativity was about-i wasn't too impressed. but still, seeing the impression the masters left, how it was left, and upon who, was great. though "the man" (the record label head) was a little questionable, his language too.

  

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68. "RE: why the post didn't go platinum?"
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>though "the man" (the record label head) was a
>little questionable, his language too.

I was a bit prepared for it after reading "Spinning Blues Into Gold", but seeing and hearing it rather than wondering if the words in the book was just embellishment of a myth was a trip. It's like okay... or the one in Memphis where Sam Phillips is laying it down for Ike Turner, and even Ike Turner was shocked. It's like "you got the millions, shut the fuck up".

ELECTRIC MUD seemed to me very Cream-ish, and the other British-influenced albums made afterwards (the London sessions with Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters etc.) seemed to be a bit more open, rather than "wow, here's a blues song, let's give it the Cream treatment".


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