a documentary. independently produced. i have never done anything like this before, but i really want this to happen.

being as this is "okaymoviebuffs" most of the time...anyone here actually make movies?

any books i should check about tips i should keep in mind or grants i should apply for? equipment i should use? etc. etc.

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>any books i should check about tips i should keep in mind or
> grants i should apply for? equipment i should use? etc.
>etc.

luckily for you, it's a lot easier getting money for docs than for features

what's your film gonna be about, if i may ask (this is kinda pertinent to the kind of funding you get)

EDIT: oh... Radiohead, right?

in the meantime, pick up Independent Film and Videomaker magazine

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about korean kids who are half black in korea.

thanks a million afkap.

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One Big Trip

its a doc of these 4 kids who took a digital camera, a van, and a bunch of drugs accross the country. its sold as a cd/dvd at most record stores...i think its put out by heiro. But its pretty simple, pretty much the same thing you want to do (minus the concert/band focus). Its not a bad movie either and the soundtrack is very good.

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i've only seen it once and i was 'inhaling'

a lot of stoned kids that have all the answers to the meaning of life and all that jazz.

but its a good example of how a bunch of kids who took a road trip, filmed it and are now turning a profit.

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You saw some of it, remember? The kid harrasing the junkie with self-help cliches?

www.programmusic.net

or something

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where these four white college grads go across the country and interview different ceos and what not about how they chose their paths or some shit.

i was like, "um i could do that."

look like they had a sponsored rv and everything.

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They came to this college looking at thing, and showed that.

It was terrible. I hated it.

Boston Red Sox - The worst is over. Let's do this.

that's why i was like, "sheeeit. these kids can get on a camera, get sponsorship (whoever paid for thier rv or whatever), AND distrubution for this bullshit project? man...i can soooo do that."

it's like inspiration in reverse. these cats set the bar so low, that it gave me confidence. lol. shit, if i hear any more about northern state, i just may have to pick up a mic...

i couldn't be any less serious about that by the way.

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I watched it once and then put it on eBay.

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I just inboxed AFKAP about this, but I have been in the planning stages of doing a documentary myself, which I hope to start doing next year.

Funds are primarily easy to get, but you have to do the hard work to obtain them. One thing to look up on is obtaining a "fiscal sponsor". This is how you can obtain funds, because one you have one, then you can send proposals to other companies. I have not been lucky in finding a fiscal sponsor, but you may be luckier than I.

Make sure you know who you want to help donate to your film. You wouldn't want it to be a Christian-based clothing company who feels all songs outside of "Now Is The Time To Worship" is for the devil.

If and when you receive donations, you will have to abide by their rules. Sometimes money involved has to be for equipment only, or the media that you want to record on. You also have to deal with costs of post-production, because if you have 10 hours of footage, you now have to deal with viewing all of it, and then coming up with a way to edit and piece it all together. I have read that a decent documentary can be edited and properly mixed and whatnot within two to three weeks. Any more time involves more money, and post-production can and will cost a lot. Not only are you using the equipment, but most likely you'll be using the services of the editor, and the hard drive space used to edit the video (assuming you're editing digitally).

Now, you also have to think about where your documentary is going. Is it for MTV? PBS? Sundance Channel? IFC? Do you plan on showing it to film festivals? If so, how many? There are loads of film festivals every year, and you also have to think about why you want to show them at what film festivals. Are you looking for someone to buy your film to release it in some form, maybe a DVD distributor? Then you would want to show it at "key" film festivals. For example, the documentary I want to do touches on something in Hawai'i that is there but is often taken for granted. I feel that in a few years, this thing will soon disappear, and I want to capture it from the people involved before it fades away. I would definitely want it to air at the , and since I'm in Washington State, the Seattle International Film Festival. There are a number of Asian film festivals in California, I would submit my film to a few of them. Submitting it to Sundance would be cool, and if I have a budget that makes it possible, I could send it there.

OR... you could settle on maximum exposure to film festivals with as little money as possible. In other words, you may not wnat to run it at the big festivals, but get it to all the small ones so that it would generate word of mouth.

With this said, you also have to know what you're doing the documentary for. If it's for profit, you will have to obey certain rules that wouldn't apply to those who make a non-profit documentary. Your film could easily be for profit. Let's say you have it at film festivals and it gets a buzz. You have the option to sign with a company who may want to put it up in the big screen. Or, consider the marketplace and just release it straight to DVD. If you do go to DVD, definitely have a say in how that DVD is presented. Do you want subtitles for foreign markets? Can the company release the DVD as a "region free" DVD, making it possible to reach other countries on a faster basis?

It seems complicated, and to be truthful it is. All I have is information, I've made a few attempts in trying to get a fiscal sponsor and I haven't been so lucky. But once I get something, I'm not going to stop until my documentary is done.

If you're planning on recording the band, you have to have clearance from their manager. When it comes time to edit, you also have to deal with copyright clearance. If it's a documentary that simply documents the fans and what they're willing to do to see Radiohead, it'll be easier.

I personally love documentaries on music, whether it's on the artist or on the fans. If you want, let me send you "Depeche Mode 101", directed by D.A. Pennebaker. It's a concert film, but doesn't look like your regular concert film. It also covers some of the diehard DM fans (including a classic scene where a guy forgets his keys or something at home, and when he returns home, his best friend is fucking his girlfriend, as the cameras capture it all).

Either way, do a lot of research and be informed, so that when you do begin asking for funding, you'll be prepared.


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>thanks a bunch. would it be okay if i contacted you if i
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Definitely.

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When will we recognize that the devil's work
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Are you shooting video or film?

Film looks much better, especially for documentaries, but it is PRICEY - especially in development of your dailies. I'd reccomend that new Canon XS-1 (I BELIEVE thats the name, not sure) that shoots video at 24 frames per second and can actually be edited and made to look like film. Rent that for a minute and you should be lovely.

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They do have filters which make it possible for video to look like film too, regardless of the medium (VHS, digital). MTV has used it in the last two VMA's.

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do you know where i can have a look at these (websites) etc? - the filters that is

i'm closing in on my first camera which is gonna be cool but i still don't know which one is the best value for money
i'm in australia atm so i am planning to have about $1500-$2000 to spend. not sure what that is over there (wherever you are) and i know that isn't really gonna buy me much but that's all i can afford. any suggestions if you know anything that could do me for that money (well converted to your currency of course)?

anything you could come up with would be greatly appreciated. i don't want to spend all that money on something when i could have got something better etc etc

oh and i'm talking looking at dv cameras

thanks in advance

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which i think is probably the most effective and versatile mid-range prosumer camera out there now

however, Panasonic has recently put out a new camera which looks like the PD 150, does everything the PD 150 does, and in addition shoots at 24 fpm so that your footage looks like film and not video

i'm waiting for all the reviews to come back on it before i buy, though. last time a "film look" camera came out, it ended up having a million glitches

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cool thanks i'll check that one out

>however, Panasonic has recently put out a new camera which
>looks like the PD 150, does everything the PD 150 does, and
>in addition shoots at 24 fpm so that your footage looks like
>film and not video

so if i want decent quality and get the film look i need something that shoots at 24 fpm?
hmmm...
oh and so your sony's alright?
i've had people tell me that sony cameras are overrated because of this and that and their performance is not up to scratch with other brands...

i need a serious tutorial in camera field because i have no idea

excuse my naivety

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>so if i want decent quality and get the film look i need
>something that shoots at 24 fpm?

Yup… that’s the whole thing with video that makes it look as crappy as it does.

If you got money, there’s lots of Hi-Def video stuff that shoots 24 fpm and is pretty much indistinguishable from film. Stuff like Spy Kids and the new Star Wars movies were all shot in digital video

>hmmm...
>oh and so your sony's alright?
>i've had people tell me that sony cameras are overrated
>because of this and that and their performance is not up to
>scratch with other brands...

nah… the Sonys (either the VX2000 or the PD-150, which is basically an upgraded VX2000) are the best thing going in the mid-range prosumer marker. A lot of people big up the Canon XL-1, but the only thing I admire about it is the fact that it has changeable lenses that you can fit with basically any Canon SLR lens.

Other than that, it’s a bit of a disaster: its “film look” setting causes video noise; its design is front-heavy, making it hard to handle for hand-held work; and I don’t even think it handles low-light shooting as well as the Sonys

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>nah… the Sonys (either the VX2000 or the PD-150, which is
>basically an upgraded VX2000) are the best thing going in
>the mid-range prosumer marker. A lot of people big up the
>Canon XL-1, but the only thing I admire about it is the fact
>that it has changeable lenses that you can fit with
>basically any Canon SLR lens.
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>Other than that, it’s a bit of a disaster: its “film look”
>setting causes video noise; its design is front-heavy,
>making it hard to handle for hand-held work; and I don’t
>even think it handles low-light shooting as well as the
>Sonys

thanks for that. i was actually looking at that so it's good to know it has its problems because the reviews i've read are just raving about it.
thanks for everything
i appreciate it truly

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that's the problem with filtersand panty hose/vaseline on the lens... you end up getting some distortion when filming moving objects

still, Cokin Pro Mist filters are pretty cool for making things look less like video

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>They do have filters which make it possible for video to
>look like film too, regardless of the medium (VHS, digital).
> MTV has used it in the last two VMA's.

Alright, time to piggyback and drop knowledge (not all of this pertains to you're post, but it seems to fit best here... whatever).

1. MTV shot the last two VMA's with the Panasonic AJ-SDX900 (standard definition) and AJ-HDC27 (high definition) cameras at 24 frames per second. The signal from these cameras (running at "film" speed) was then converted for standard definition broadcast (30fps, otherwise known as 29.97fps or 60i for us AV nerds). The "filmic" look is a combination of the frame rate and a Panasonic technology they call Cineswitch, which adjusts the Gamma curve of video to more closely mimic film. Which leads me to camera's that are cool, which you and I can afford...

2. The Panasonice AG-DVX100:
http://www.panasonic.com/PBDS/subcat/Products/cams_ccorders/f_ag-dvx100.html

The DVX100 is the shit, it's like those other camera's younger brother. It shoots 24p video and has Cineswitch, which means that the stuff you shoot looks more like film. Plus, it only costs $3500, which is a hell of a deal for a camera that shoots footage that looks this good:
http://www.informotion.co.uk/dvxClips.php
Check the clip at the bottom right... it's big but it's worth the wait.

The only real limitation is that the camera shoots DV format video, which means that if you were to transfer to film, the tranfer wouldn't be as nice of quality as if you shot originally on film. But for the price, I think it's an unbelievable bargain, and will make your (or anyone's for that matter) documentary look a whole lot nicer.

sean

ps- the filter you all may be thinking of that makes video look like film is made by the Orphanage and is called Magic Bullet:
http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/magbulsuit.html
But it still doesn't look as nice as footage that was shot at 24fps... there's a lot of math and cognitive theory behind that statement that I don't feel like getting into, so just trust me when I say that.

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especially about the Magic Bullet… I didn’t know about that

I’m thinking of picking up one of them new Panasonics, but I might sell my PD150 (barely used, y’all!) first

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kicking the new k-nowledge

wow!

archive for sean's post alone

When I worked in TV production I would have known, but I've been out of the loop. At least I know I wasn't going insane yet.

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actually several, but i'm getting ahead of myself. i just decided to take a class on it, though. one that takes you through all of the basics, from script writing to lighting to editing.

this is definitely an informative post.


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that holds workshops, screenings and things like that for filmmakers. they also have equipment rental for filming and editing available. they are a pretty cool organization called 911 media arts center (named so long before '9-11' btw) www.911media.org . anyways, i'm gonna try to get affiliated with them, take some classes and see if they can help me.

where are you taking classes? you're in the bay right?

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haven't heard of that place, but i'll definitely bookmark their site.

i'm actually in sacramento, which is close to the bay. i'm just gonna take a class at our local cable access channel, so my project will probably be lame, but at least i'll have a better understanding of how things work, and whatever i do will actually air...of course no one will see it, but still.



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the constantines | shine a light
doves | lost sides
jj72 | jj72
various | hanging with the strokes

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the gossip | standing in the way of control
hot chip | the warning
diplo | fabric live.24
les rhythmes digitales | dark dancer
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good luck

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http://www.integratedphoto.com/

http://www.der.org/

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i saw some posts on specific types of cameras, and that's great...

but what types of things do i really need...a camera and what else? any extras that are vital? what about software? i can look up the prices myself...but i've gleened that a new camera should cost about $3500 or more? lol. i'm glad y'all told me, because i really would have been all about a $600 digital camcorder from circuit city.

this has been so helpful so far y'all. thanks for cluing a sista in...

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If there is a local film school near you, or a film class at a nearby university, contact them.

One idea would be to write a proposal, saying that you'd like to a small camera crew to help you out. Sometimes they might do it for just the experience or a credit, othertimes maybe room and some food.

It's much cheaper to rent than it would be to buy. I had talked with a guy in Honolulu who regularly does sports videos, and he runs a facility where he rents equipment (including lighting, sound equipment, etc) and allows use of his editing facilities.

But if you definitely want to go the DIY route, by all means go for it. Someone suggested Filmmaker magazine, so look along does lines. They'll have video editing programs which are as costly as audio editing programs, but buy them and you can use them and upgrade if you decide to make more videos/films.

But a rental would be better for you, especially if you want to test the waters on a camera. If it's not good or as good, you can try another one. There's a small chance you might have other interests and you'll have to resell for a much cheaper price.


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