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"The STRIKE... is OVER."
Wed Feb-13-08 01:10 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/05/hollywood.labor.ap.ap/index.html

lets hope they clear this up as soon as possible...

  

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Here's some more links to information on what's going down
Nov 05th 2007
1
damn
Nov 05th 2007
2
ummm...
Nov 05th 2007
3
5 months is a long time...
Nov 05th 2007
4
      most definitely affected movies in '88
Nov 05th 2007
17
           RE: most definitely affected movies in '88
Nov 05th 2007
21
                yep, you basically debunked him effectively ......
Nov 17th 2007
126
                Ay, you missed Say Anything (1989). n/m
Dec 19th 2007
195
thanks for the anchor
Nov 05th 2007
5
SNL Fred Armisen's jab at execs for it
Nov 05th 2007
6
RE: SNL Fred Armisen's jab at execs for it
Jan 25th 2008
214
*tries to get my job on*
Nov 05th 2007
7
lol
Nov 05th 2007
8
Scab!!! Scab!!! Tina Fey will beat you ass.
Nov 05th 2007
11
Honest question: is the strike going to effect you at all?
Nov 05th 2007
13
      Well...it could.
Nov 05th 2007
18
           Friend of mine is in a similar position
Nov 05th 2007
19
           my EXACT problem
Nov 06th 2007
23
I live in LA and own word processing software. How do I capitalize?
Nov 05th 2007
14
      LMAO...fiya
Nov 06th 2007
26
Hella coverage.
Nov 05th 2007
9
how inconsiderate of them
Nov 05th 2007
10
I think the Networks should go Nick at Nite style
Nov 05th 2007
12
If this thing goes on long enough...
Nov 06th 2007
24
LOL @ the Arrested Development thing.
Nov 06th 2007
25
PING!
Nov 17th 2007
127
The Good News: Leno won't be trying to be funny on tv everynight
Nov 05th 2007
15
another good source
Nov 05th 2007
16
RE: another good source
Dec 02nd 2007
164
I saw them protesting outside my office today
Nov 05th 2007
20
Did you spot any clever picket signs?
Nov 06th 2007
29
      since they're writers...
Nov 06th 2007
30
      No, it was just the SNL writers.
Nov 06th 2007
31
           ^^definitely not on strike right now^^
Nov 06th 2007
32
                RE: ^^definitely not on strike right now^^
Nov 07th 2007
57
it begins
Nov 06th 2007
22
I'm fearing the awful Reality shows that will come out of this
Nov 06th 2007
27
RE: I'm fearing the awful Reality shows that will come out of this
Nov 06th 2007
28
man this is getting crazy
Nov 06th 2007
33
oh no...
Nov 06th 2007
34
YES! Three months to White Shadow reruns!!
Nov 06th 2007
35
      Tina Fey is a SAG member as well as a WGA member.
Nov 07th 2007
53
Getting to work SUUUUUUCKS.
Nov 07th 2007
36
that the one on Colfax?
Nov 07th 2007
40
      Nah, the one on Beverly and Fairfax.
Nov 07th 2007
41
           Well let me ask you this
Nov 07th 2007
42
                I believe so.
Nov 07th 2007
43
                     it's widely acknowledged that feature writers are working on specs.
Nov 07th 2007
45
                     Yes, people can seek non-field related employment.
Nov 07th 2007
51
                          how about a novel, comic book, stage play etc.?
Nov 07th 2007
55
                               I believe that if the guild's not striking against the particular compan...
Nov 07th 2007
60
for those looking to get jobs out of this
Nov 07th 2007
37
RE: for those looking to get jobs out of this
Nov 07th 2007
38
RE: for those looking to get jobs out of this
Nov 07th 2007
46
If you write during the strike, I will hunt you down and kill you
Nov 07th 2007
44
      that's the underlying message with this guy.
Nov 07th 2007
52
      ^^^ Patrick Verrone
Nov 07th 2007
54
"Scrubs" diagnosis unclear as strike begins
Nov 07th 2007
39
Michael Eisner (Disney) Blames Steve Jobs for Strike
Nov 07th 2007
47
he's a jackass.
Nov 07th 2007
48
This quote is the close to the truth
Nov 07th 2007
49
the internet is still really nebulous in this regard
Nov 07th 2007
56
      check this out
Nov 08th 2007
61
           I kind of disagree with that guy
Nov 08th 2007
62
                The DVD issue was removed from the table as a last-minute
Nov 08th 2007
75
                     They dropped it when AMPTE said they'd move on New Media
Nov 08th 2007
76
                          those two are already linked.
Nov 08th 2007
77
                               Because you need to give up something in negotiations
Nov 08th 2007
78
                                    The increase in the DVD rate is what they gave up.
Nov 09th 2007
80
                                         RE: The increase in the DVD rate is what they gave up.
Nov 09th 2007
87
                                              First, let me say two things
Nov 09th 2007
91
                                                   Allow me to retort
Nov 09th 2007
93
                                                        by all means
Nov 09th 2007
95
                                                             Well then I shall
Nov 10th 2007
96
                                                                  we're going to have to agree to disagree
Nov 11th 2007
101
He sounds just like Fred Armisen on Weekend Update on Saturday
Nov 08th 2007
66
Eisner is an evil fucking bastard. He single-handedly ruined Disney.
Nov 10th 2007
97
"Why We Fight" video
Nov 07th 2007
50
The Office writing staff on the picket line (vid link)
Nov 07th 2007
58
The joke about "promo" is funny
Nov 07th 2007
59
Carell told NBC he was staying home with "enlarged balls"
Nov 08th 2007
64
He actually didn't say that, a blogger on UnitedHollywood.com did
Nov 09th 2007
89
Great vid!
Nov 08th 2007
67
'24' Postpones Season 7 Due to Strike (swipe)
Nov 08th 2007
63
Fans with to capacity DVRS will at least have time to catch up
Nov 08th 2007
65
^^ understands ^^
Nov 08th 2007
69
that's what i'll be doin...
Nov 08th 2007
74
      I still got the last disc of FNL to watch and then all of S2
Nov 08th 2007
79
Next Week's The Office is the last new episode until the strike ends.
Nov 08th 2007
68
Anyone heard some of these picket chants??
Nov 08th 2007
70
^ lame
Nov 08th 2007
71
      Sorta my point, gonna cost em some cash if thats all theyre bringin
Nov 08th 2007
72
           i know...
Nov 08th 2007
73
Crossed the picket line today.
Nov 09th 2007
81
WE STAND IN YOUR WAY-OH FOR ELLEN POMPEO!!!
Nov 09th 2007
82
      Hey Eva lookie, we dont wont your cookies!!
Nov 09th 2007
84
The Wire Season 5, January 08!
Nov 09th 2007
83
Why the writers are right (SWIPE)
Nov 09th 2007
85
wait a goddamn minute here
Nov 09th 2007
86
More focusing on the new media angle (as smart as focusing on reality)
Nov 09th 2007
88
gotta think long-term, here
Nov 09th 2007
92
      RE: gotta think long-term, here
Nov 09th 2007
94
Once again, Mark Harris gets it right.
Nov 09th 2007
90
The first show could cross the line on Monday
Nov 11th 2007
98
news to me...
Nov 11th 2007
100
i didn't realize this perspective (swipe)
Nov 11th 2007
99
OMGG SOME SOAP WRITERS CROSS THE LINE, WE'S CRACKING NO! (swipe)
Nov 13th 2007
102
Management self-ether
Nov 13th 2007
103
I'm gonna need this to be over.
Nov 14th 2007
104
if the writer strike>3 months, lost wont be back till jan 2009 (swipe)
Nov 14th 2007
105
Family Guy moving on with out Seth Voices
Nov 14th 2007
106
And that...will NOT get it done. (c) Stu Lantz
Nov 14th 2007
107
LMAO! I hope it's voices that sound completely and totally different.
Nov 14th 2007
108
would be kinda funny for one ep and noted it in dialogue
Nov 14th 2007
109
knowing the turnaround time for a regular animated show
Dec 04th 2007
166
They should use the guy South Park used when they ethered
Nov 14th 2007
110
HEEEY! HOOOO! WHOS GONNA WRITE YOUR TV SHOWS?
Nov 15th 2007
111
Goddamn, Ryan's mad as shit y'all.
Nov 15th 2007
112
Ayo.
Nov 15th 2007
117
The chants have been lame
Nov 15th 2007
113
I carried a sign for a bit yesterday
Nov 15th 2007
115
I'm on repeat: our chants are the livest in town
Nov 15th 2007
118
Not The Daily Show (video)
Nov 15th 2007
114
that would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
Nov 15th 2007
116
      you can definitely see where the brains of the operation are
Nov 16th 2007
119
If given the opp and u werent in the Guild..Would u cross the Line??
Nov 16th 2007
120
problem is...
Nov 16th 2007
121
No.
Nov 16th 2007
122
This strike is pissin' me off now; BSG suspends production
Nov 16th 2007
123
Negotiations is ON!
Nov 17th 2007
124
Back Cover of Variety
Nov 17th 2007
125
From GD: NBC Fires Most of 'SNL' Staff
Nov 17th 2007
128
Maybe Lorne will pull a Dave Letterman/Seth MacFarlane
Nov 17th 2007
129
      yeah, but the old lorne had funny shows.
Nov 20th 2007
130
I blame Dattebayo for this
Nov 26th 2007
131
why don't the just write their own shows?
Nov 26th 2007
132
this whole thing was funny until my meeting in LA got cancelled
Nov 27th 2007
133
Damn son.
Nov 27th 2007
134
What was the meeting for? Film? TV?
Nov 28th 2007
136
both
Nov 28th 2007
137
Sorry to hear that dude.
Nov 29th 2007
146
Really Carson? you? like why?
Nov 28th 2007
135
my sis told me about this last night...
Nov 28th 2007
138
Yeah, just heard about this
Nov 28th 2007
139
      in his defense he said he wants to protect his workers
Nov 28th 2007
142
           I understand why he did it.
Nov 28th 2007
144
                here's your answer
Nov 29th 2007
145
                     The worry is that it sets a precedent
Nov 29th 2007
147
                          People knew this going in though
Nov 29th 2007
148
                               Well, maybe Carson was just saving his own job
Nov 29th 2007
149
Got-damnit, it never ends
Nov 28th 2007
140
As soon as the screen said Edie Falco, I saw that end coming.
Nov 28th 2007
141
      Yeah, a lot of these late show webisodes haven't helped
Nov 28th 2007
143
LOL at the latest AMPTE offer
Nov 30th 2007
150
Toldja indeed. nm
Nov 30th 2007
151
Finke = FRAUD! Finke is a RAT! Take THAT, Not-So-Darling-Nikki!!*
Nov 30th 2007
152
      LOL.
Nov 30th 2007
153
           No, actually, I just wanted to make fun of her name
Nov 30th 2007
154
                Gotcha. And on a related note...
Nov 30th 2007
155
                I just say Fink, with the e being silent
Nov 30th 2007
156
                     I just can't imagine anything relating to her being silent
Nov 30th 2007
157
                She just nixed one of my comments. BOO
Dec 14th 2007
189
This shit it outta control...it's now affected
Nov 30th 2007
158
Best thing to come of the strike imo.
Dec 02nd 2007
165
      true dat
Dec 04th 2007
168
      BOOOOO!!!!
Dec 13th 2007
185
The Ninja weighs in
Dec 01st 2007
159
Negotiations start next week supposedly
Dec 01st 2007
160
Shocked Leno staffers Fired and feel mislead
Dec 01st 2007
161
remember those polls about writers winning the PR battle?
Dec 02nd 2007
162
And they know that the PR will shift once reruns start airing nonstop
Dec 02nd 2007
163
Leno attempts to save face.
Dec 04th 2007
167
Sorry, Internet
Dec 05th 2007
169
RE: The STRIKE is ON!
Dec 06th 2007
170
i hope those hipsters stay on strike
Dec 07th 2007
171
Hipster is fast becoming the most miused word in PTP
Dec 07th 2007
172
^^^Never been in a writer's room^^^
Dec 12th 2007
181
      ^^^ SEES IT
Dec 12th 2007
182
Talks are breaking down...
Dec 08th 2007
173
ARE breaking down? Them shits are done. HOLLYWOOD IS DEAD YO
Dec 08th 2007
174
      I gotta question for you
Dec 09th 2007
175
      Writers, self included, are still writing. We just can't sell anything.
Dec 09th 2007
176
           But they aren't supposed to be working on current projects
Dec 09th 2007
177
                I was referring to personal specs
Dec 09th 2007
178
                     Yeah, I was just adding that for Nipsey
Dec 10th 2007
179
      BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN!!!!
Dec 14th 2007
186
*senses onsets of withdrawals*
Dec 11th 2007
180
*senses an addiction to plurals (or perhaps just the letter S)*
Dec 12th 2007
184
NO MORE BOBBY TAYLOR!! NO MORE BOBBY TAYLOR!!
Dec 12th 2007
183
So how does the strike effect the oscars?
Dec 14th 2007
187
Striking writers interrupt 'Carson Daly' tapings
Dec 14th 2007
188
Leno and Conan coming back
Dec 15th 2007
190
But not with the same deal Dave might have.
Dec 16th 2007
191
      Dave Letterman is my fucking hero.
Dec 17th 2007
192
      that would be great if he could beat leno to the punch
Dec 17th 2007
193
      Dave is great for this
Dec 17th 2007
194
Okayplayer hates the WGA!
Dec 20th 2007
196
bout to say, we hate y'all back. lol.
Dec 31st 2007
199
Finke: Attempt Fails To Restart WGA-AMPTP Talks; Outlook Very Grim
Dec 24th 2007
197
Letterman back Wednesday WITH writers!
Dec 28th 2007
198
Is the end of the WGA near?
Jan 02nd 2008
200
The Late Show Top 10, Writer's Edition (swipe)
Jan 02nd 2008
201
Leno is going to get more ratings tonight than he did before the strike
Jan 02nd 2008
202
Leno sucks WITH writers
Jan 03rd 2008
203
article: Late Night Talk Hosts Forced to Cross Picket Lines
Jan 04th 2008
204
Writers are really coming off like little girls now
Jan 04th 2008
205
      I'ma BOOP this cause I don't feel like taking the bait and arguing
Jan 04th 2008
206
           That's because the little girls have nothing else to offer
Jan 04th 2008
207
golden globes canceled due to writers strike
Jan 08th 2008
208
Studios cancel writers contracts
Jan 15th 2008
209
Stevie Wonder saw this coming.
Jan 15th 2008
210
As expected, the DGA quickly strikes a deal
Jan 17th 2008
211
I don't understand the side deals.
Jan 19th 2008
212
there are two things at play
Jan 20th 2008
213
This picking and choosing is really lame.
Jan 25th 2008
215
A lot of those shows either aren't using writers or aren't WGA
Jan 25th 2008
216
      RE: A lot of those shows either aren't using writers or aren't WGA
Jan 25th 2008
217
           I'm the opposite of connected to the strike. I work in reality TV
Jan 26th 2008
218
WGA members -- here's your chance to get exploited by Taco Bell!
Jan 31st 2008
219
Today's sign the strike needs to be resolved
Feb 01st 2008
220
So, the end may -- or may not -- be near (swipe)
Feb 02nd 2008
221
Update: WGA board favors deal, with caution (swipe)
Feb 05th 2008
222
      Proposed deal specifics from Variety
Feb 05th 2008
223
The STRIKE is OFF! (swipe)
Feb 08th 2008
224
Not so fast... (swipe)
Feb 08th 2008
225
      well i hope they're happy hungry.
Feb 08th 2008
226
           Show updates
Feb 10th 2008
229
Welp, we have a (tentative) deal. (swipe)
Feb 09th 2008
227
Membership appears to dig the deal, now we get 48 hours to vote
Feb 10th 2008
228
And NOW, the strike is over. (swipe)
Feb 13th 2008
230
GET BACK TO WORK, YA BUM!
Feb 13th 2008
231
Me to a dude from According to Jim in the elevator today...
Feb 13th 2008
232
      THAT SHOW HAS WRITERS?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Feb 13th 2008
233
           damn, guess they won't be picking up this emergency script then:
Feb 13th 2008
234
Here's a decent breakdown
Feb 13th 2008
235
It's an ending, but not happy
Feb 16th 2008
236
I don't think it is as bad as all that.
Feb 16th 2008
237
      Getting the distributor's gross was the key
Feb 16th 2008
238

ZooTown74
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1. "Here's some more links to information on what's going down"
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Wed Nov-07-07 10:05 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-strike1nov01-sidebar,0,3671620.htmlstory?coll=la-home-center

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-writersguild-sg,0,5731707.storygallery?coll=la-home-center

http://deadlinehollywooddaily.com/

http://www.whedonesque.com
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Wordman
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2. "damn"
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"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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3. "ummm..."
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interesting. were movies affected in 1988? Because 22 weeks is a mighty long time. And this is only for MAJOR Studios right?


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4. "5 months is a long time..."
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Mon Nov-05-07 12:57 PM by universally_speaking

  

          

From what I understand, recently studios have been stockpiling scripts in advance, so they've come prepared. But who knows how long that will last.


As for the tv studios back in '88, they had to push back their fall line-up to the winter.

If this lasts a couple of months, expect TONS of reality shows


Side Note: We got COPS out of the '88 strike.
"On the bright side, the 1988 strike played a big role in introducing at least one guilty pleasure to a national audience. Desperate for programming, Fox plucked “Cops” from a local station and placed it on Saturday night, where it continues to run."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/arts/television/20cons.html?ref=movies

  

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17. "most definitely affected movies in '88"
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and will affect movies this time if it goes for any lenghth of time.

They stockpiled last time and there was a big stockpiling this time. What happens is that there is no one to do rewrites before a movie goes into production, no one to do rewrites during production, no writer involved in editing.

That would be bad in normal circumstances. But what you have now is a lot of movies that were rushed into production, lots of scripts that were bought and greenlit in haste. Whereas script problems would have been ironed out or perhaps some deals wouldn't have gone through, studios went ahead with projects in the name of stockpiling.

Look back at the movies of 1988 and 89. You'll find evidence of the effect in abnormally large number of crap movies and half-baked ideas that actually made it to the screen.

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21. "RE: most definitely affected movies in '88"
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Mon Nov-05-07 08:40 PM by xbenzive

          

The Best Movies from 1988-1989

Die Hard
Big
Midnight Run
Rain Man
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Scrooged
They Live
My Neighbor Totoro
Bloodsport
Coming to America
Dangerous Liaisons
Tequila Sunrise
Presidio, The
fish called wanda, A
Phantasm II
Baxter
Glory
Mystery Train
Wizard, The
Back to the Future Part II
Kiki's Delivery Service
Major League
Abyss, The
Lethal Weapon 2
Casualties of War
Ghostbusters 2
Parenthood
Do The Right Thing
Meet the Feebles
UHF





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126. "yep, you basically debunked him effectively ......"
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195. "Ay, you missed Say Anything (1989). n/m"
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5. "thanks for the anchor"
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I keep finding erroneous info online about the strike, and my writer friends out west are telling me one thing (side a of the picket line) while my studio friends out west are telling me another (side b of the picket line), so thanks for keeping this up with current credible info.
Peace

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6. "SNL Fred Armisen's jab at execs for it"
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Whats funny was that you could tell he was a little scared doing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FZK5K8J-s

  

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214. "RE: SNL Fred Armisen's jab at execs for it"
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Must of been Good, NBC shut it down

  

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7. "*tries to get my job on*"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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11. "Scab!!! Scab!!! Tina Fey will beat you ass."
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13. "Honest question: is the strike going to effect you at all?"
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Are/were you doing any writing gigs at the time? Or are you mainly on your stand-up grind these days?

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18. "Well...it could."
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I'm not in the guild, but I have some potential things that would be union that can't really move forward until this is resolved.

  

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19. "Friend of mine is in a similar position"
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Right before the strike, him and his writing partner got a gig writing for an animated show. Even though animated shows don't fall under the purvey of the WGA (from what I understand), they really don't want to piss off the Union by doing the gig.

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23. "my EXACT problem"
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I have stuff I can't sell now until they get this stuff ironed out.

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14. "I live in LA and own word processing software. How do I capitalize?"
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26. "LMAO...fiya"
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9. "Hella coverage."
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deadlinehollywooddaily.com

I drove around this morning and shot some footage of the picketers for a doc I'm putting together. One thing is indisputable: there has never before been such a profound assembly of nerds rallying for their rights.

"I say 'douchebag', you say 'Counter'!"

Hilarity.

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10. "how inconsiderate of them"
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don't they know I need new, quality programming every night of the week?
The summer is for reruns
not the fall

  

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12. "I think the Networks should go Nick at Nite style"
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People wouldn't tune back in for Cheers, Seinfeld, or Golden Girls?

Bring back older shows like Police Squad, Columbo, or Dallas.

Advertise: Tonight DENZEL WASHINGTON in ST. ELSEWHERE!

Fox should give Arrested Development another shot (since nobody watched it when it was on).



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24. "If this thing goes on long enough..."
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"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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25. "LOL @ the Arrested Development thing."
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I was about to say, no one watched it then, if the networks need money, they're not throwing it back on the air.

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127. "PING!"
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15. "The Good News: Leno won't be trying to be funny on tv everynight"
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16. "another good source"
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http://www.artfulwriter.com/


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164. "RE: another good source"
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also try these:

unitedhollywood.com
deadlinehollywooddaily.com
johnaugust.com

all good strike update sites...

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20. "I saw them protesting outside my office today"
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bastids..

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29. "Did you spot any clever picket signs?"
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30. "since they're writers..."
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I would hope so.

  

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31. "No, it was just the SNL writers."
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32. "^^definitely not on strike right now^^"
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57. "RE: ^^definitely not on strike right now^^"
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>ZING

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22. "it begins"
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27. "I'm fearing the awful Reality shows that will come out of this"
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once they run out of sitcoms and serials to air

  

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28. "RE: I'm fearing the awful Reality shows that will come out of this"
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How will we be able to tell the difference from all of the awful reality shows we already have?

Americans may actually have to read or go outside! The horror!

  

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33. "man this is getting crazy"
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34700

if they don't resolve this soon there won't be anything to look forward to for next season. what about the fans!!!

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34. "oh no..."
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:(

  

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35. "YES! Three months to White Shadow reruns!!"
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That's what I'm talking about.

On a side note, how the hell is Tina Fey still acting on 30 Rock and then lecturing from the picket line. That's kind of hypocritical if it is true.

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53. "Tina Fey is a SAG member as well as a WGA member."
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As a SAG member whose contract isn't up yet, she's contractually obligated to show up for work. Yeah, Steve Carell didn't and he's SAG too, but she did. She's also the show runner for 30 Rock.

As long as she's not being asked to perform any writing duties (such as punching up jokes or tweaking stage directions), then there's no problem with what she's doing.

And yes, other show runners such as Shawn Ryan and Shonda Rhimes are not doing any of those duties for their shows, but they're also not actors on their own shows, either. Again, the overriding point is as long as Fey's not being asked to tweak scripts as they're being produced, then there's no problem. And yes, realistically, they can pull that off.


Also, as a WGAE member whose contract is up, Tina Fey also has the right to show up and protest the current labor situation. I think it's safe to assume that her fellow writers understand and respect her situation.
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36. "Getting to work SUUUUUUCKS."
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I work at CBS Television City...and the picketers are outside in full force. Luckily the past couple days I've come in early so I haven't really dealt with them, but other people have and it's taken them up to 30 minutes longer to get into the lot because the picketers block the gates.

Much as I'd like to support them, I ain't Jay Leno and I have bills to pay.

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40. "that the one on Colfax?"
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I passed by it yesterday and saw a handful of picketeers. This was about 6 o clock and it was pretty cold out so I imagine the herd had thinned out a bit. Fighting for your rights is all well and good, but it's not worth catching a cold over after all.

Desperate Housewives writers were over in Toluca chanting 'We write the storia for Eva Longoria'

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41. "Nah, the one on Beverly and Fairfax."
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And I heard about that chant on Housewives. Aren't those people paid to come up with better shit than THAT?

After this week and maaaybe next, I expect it to die down. It's media time.

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42. "Well let me ask you this"
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The writers are on strike from film and tv, so when they aren't picketing, what are they doing? Are they allowed to pursue work in other mediums? If this goes on long term, how do they pay their bills?

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43. "I believe so."
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I mean, they can't do non-union TV shows or films, but I'm sure they can get a side job...they've GOT to, right?

Zootown is fairly absent from this post which is interesting cause he's probably WGA (writer on a CW show I believe)...perhaps he can shed some light on it.

Me? I'm working a non union gig as a coordinator so...I'll be upset if they don't let me in cause I'm just doing a game show with no writers. I support these dudes and all, but c'mon. Let me in. Don't chant somewhat rhyming, sorta-clever-in-a-4th-grade-way poems at me.

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45. "it's widely acknowledged that feature writers are working on specs."
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Which sucks for the writers trying to break in, because as soon as the strike is over, the pro writers will flood the market with their fresh spec scripts.

Re: chants, John August had a nice little bit on the varying quality of the chants up on his site.

johnaugust dot com.

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51. "Yes, people can seek non-field related employment."
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But as a writer, you can't leave the picket line then head off and write a non-guild script.

(correction: you can't go write a script *and get compensated for it*.... you can still write your own material, you just can't sell it right now)

Nor can you go sign up to be a P.A. on a reality show. And if anyone wants to ask, "Well, how will they know," the answer to that is, they will.

I haven't been here because I've been out picketing for three long, hot-ass days, four hours each day (as we go in 4 hour shifts, either from 9-1 or a 1-5). It's been tiring, but it's an experience that's been more fun than I could have possibly imagined. I'm not currently on a show, so I wasn't assigned a particular location associated with a show before the strike began. But I still wanted to participate, so I trooped it down to the nearby studio, picked up a picket sign, and got to steppin.

Before I continue I'm going to preface these comments by saying that I can only speak to the one location that I've been at all week; any stories about confrontations and whatnot at other locations can probably be best served by those links in my first post (and the link to Craig Mazin's site that Red provided)...

Like I said, this has been pretty fun. We understand that the underlying issues that are driving this strike are there and will always be present until there's some kind of resolution. But that doesn't mean that we can't laugh and joke and have some fun with our protest. And let me be clear: we're not out there socializing and talking about Hollywood gossip, fashion, the Lakers, scripts and movies and TV and shit. Nor are we causing trouble by acting like assholes. We're chanting (and yes, the stuff we've been coming up with is FAR better than that "storia/Longoria" shit), marching, whooping it up, asking folks in other unions like the Teamsters and SAG to respect our picket line by not crossing it (and if they go ahead and cross the picket line, we DON'T harrass them; we understand their positions and their legal obligations), and overall we're conducting a simple, peaceful (but loud), and respectful protest. And we've stayed on message, which is mainly that a fair deal MUST be put in place.

And the support we've gotten from people has been great. And I'm not just talking about people passing by and blowing their horns in support (which there has been a surprising amount of, btw). We have actors who have come out and marched with us. We have local businesses donating everything from food to drink to parking.

But while all of this has been an interesting experience, we're all aware that this thing could go a long time. And that people are going to have to leave the line eventually so they can feed their families (doing non-writing related work). That's always in the back of everyone's mind. But while we're there, we're going to make the most noise that we possibly can...
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55. "how about a novel, comic book, stage play etc.?"
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Animation?

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60. "I believe that if the guild's not striking against the particular compan..."
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then you're fine.

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37. "for those looking to get jobs out of this"
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(and yes, i know most of you are joking)
i submit the following e-mail i got from an ex-screenwriting professor
who is, of course, a member of the union:

Dear friends and associates:

As many of you already know, the Writers Guild of America will be on strike as of 12:01 AM this coming Monday. If you are already a guild member, you have an enormous amount of support behind you. If you are determined to become members one day, we all hope that when you do, you will be joining an even stronger union.

What I'm writing about is the possibility that you may be approached by producers and/or TV production companies to do some writing during the strike. The opportunity will be described in glowing terms, and you would be paid. Any decision to do something like this is, to a great extent, a personal one. However, deciding to write while fellow writers are on strike and not writing, not being paid because of their convictions, is something I feel everyone must reflect upon with great care. In addition, and I don't add what follows as a threat but informationally, there are very specific Writers Guild rules about writing during a strike: were you to do any form of writing for any company which the guild is striking, and were your having done this to come out after a settlement, you would never be able to join the union. I must calmly and simply emphasize the word never.

We hope this is not a long strike, we hope that we prevail. We need your support.

  

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38. "RE: for those looking to get jobs out of this"
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Can someone break this strike thing down for me?

Are the actors who can't work because the shows are shut down still paid? What about other crew members?

Does the WGA provide financial assistance for strikers?
I'm a writer of another sort, so I support them. But this seems to be hurting the most those who can least afford a strike.

  

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46. "RE: for those looking to get jobs out of this"
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>Can someone break this strike thing down for me?
>
>Are the actors who can't work because the shows are shut down
>still paid? What about other crew members?

Actors are not on strike and any actors who choose to walk out or honor picket lines do so at their own peril. Most unions have a "no strike" clause which basically says that as long as your union's contract is in effect, you work when you have a job. Steve Carell or Julia Louis Dreyfuss ain't worried, but random unnamed actors needs to show up.

I can't speak on the particular circumstances (not my area), but if a show is shut down I'm guessing no one involved is paid.

>Does the WGA provide financial assistance for strikers?
>I'm a writer of another sort, so I support them. But this
>seems to be hurting the most those who can least afford a
>strike.

There typically is financial assistance for striking union members. They have a fund for that, paid for by union dues. But it's nothing like what they were making on the job.

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44. "If you write during the strike, I will hunt you down and kill you"
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I mean this not as a threat, but only to inform. I must calmly and simply emphasize the words 'kill' and 'you'

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52. "that's the underlying message with this guy."
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he'd probably shank a scab.

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54. "^^^ Patrick Verrone"
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39. " "Scrubs" diagnosis unclear as strike begins"
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this would suck

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071105/tv_nm/scrubs_dc

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Nothing has been easy or conventional about the NBC comedy "Scrubs," which has been bounced around the network's schedule for most of its seven-year run and was on the verge of cancellation the past two years before landing an 11th hour renewal.
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Now, the show's chance to go out on its own terms has been jeopardized by the first Writers Guild of America strike in almost 20 years, which began on Monday. The walkout could leave the final six installments of the Zach Braff hospital comedy's 18-episode last season in indefinite limbo.

"On a personal level, yeah, it would be nice to finish work on 'Scrubs' the way I wanted to," creator-executive producer Bill Lawrence said. "That it looks like it's not happening is certainly disappointing, I can't lie. But it's also not the end of the world. The last thing anybody wants to hear right now is some idiot saying, 'Hey, I worked really hard on my show, I want to end it the way I want to end it!' It's hard to care right now about any legacy."

Lawrence hadn't done much in the way of stockpiling "Scrubs" episodes in anticipation of the walkout.

Two scripts were written and ready to shoot, "and with a single-camera show, once a script is locked, you have no real rewrites," he said. That will take "Scrubs" up through Episode 12, six episodes short of the ending Lawrence had envisioned for the show.

Still, giving "Scrubs" a proper sendoff was low on Lawrence's priority list at the moment.

"What I care about more than anything right now is getting this thing settled so it's either a short strike or no strike," he said on Friday. "Right now, I fear that a lot of the writers have no real clue just how tough this is going to be. I'd imagine things will get very grim sometime after Christmas."

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47. "Michael Eisner (Disney) Blames Steve Jobs for Strike"
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He Mad.

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Eisner's advice to striking writers: Blame Steve Jobs, not the studios
Posted by Caroline McCarthy

NEW YORK--In his keynote speech on Wednesday morning at the Media and Money conference hosted by Dow Jones and Nielsen, former Disney CEO Michael Eisner talked about writers as though they were a minority group that he didn't particularly understand well. "I like writers. Some of my best friends are writers," he said as though attempting to save face. But nevertheless, his foremost epithet for the ongoing Writer's Guild of America strike was "stupid."

"I see stupid strikes, and I see less stupid strikes. I see smart strikes," Eisner said in the keynote, which was structured as a conversation with Neil P. Cavuto, senior vice president and managing editor of Fox Business News. "This is a stupid strike."

The problem, Eisner said, is that the Writer's Guild is lobbying for a bigger cut of the profits from digital distribution--and according to the former Disney chief, those profits simply aren't there. Eisner, now the head of a private investment firm called The Tornante Company, has launched an online video studio called Vuguru, and said that it's still more or less a fruitless labor. Vuguru's debut series, a serial mystery called Prom Queen, "didn't make money," he said.

Cavuto, naturally, played devil's advocate and asked Eisner why he's sticking with it. "First of all, I'm doing it because I think it's fun, I think it's the future, and I think it's interesting," Eisner replied, "(but) I'm begging advertisers to give me enough money to break even."

At the moment, Eisner said, digital media is too new to be profitable. "The studios are there because they don't want to be in the transportation business and telling everybody that they're in the train business," he said. "They want to be in the entertainment business, and God forbid they should forget yet another distribution track." In other words, they don't want to get left behind.

He said it would take about three years for Web video and other forms of digital distribution to gain enough of a foothold to be profitable--and that's when the Writer's Guild would have a case to make. "What I'm saying is for a current writer, for six thousand people to give up today's money for a nonexistent piece today is stupid," Eisner asserted. "They can do it in three years. They shouldn't be doing it now." Right now, the profit from digital content is "a piece of a nonexistent flow, which won't be nonexistent, but it will be nonexistent for the next three years."

One thing Cavuto failed to ask Eisner, who estimated that the Writer's Guild strike would dissipate by the end of next week, was exactly how Web video would start to be profitable. Presumably, advertisers will warm up to the opportunity.

But Eisner acknowledged that the studios and networks aren't entirely faultless. Their problem, he said, is hyping up digital platforms as being more profitable than they actually are. "It's a double-edged sword. The studios deserve what they're getting, because they've been announcing how great (the Internet) is. But then they open their books."

Eisner, a well-known critic of Apple (whose CEO, Steve Jobs, is a powerful member of Disney's board of directors), suggested that the profits may be getting sucked up elsewhere. The studios "make deals with Steve Jobs, who takes them to the cleaners. They make all these kinds of things, and who's making money? Apple! They should get a piece of Apple. If I was a union, I'd be striking up wherever he is."

"Cupertino?" Cavuto offered.

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48. "he's a jackass."
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And, as always, he denigrates the basic idea of creative rights, and further illustrates the stance of the studios (of which is no longer apart, but he certainly is on their side) that they want to do away with residuals.

Residuals are part of the cost of doing business and, while they must be considered in the context of the health of the business, have nothing to do with profits or profit sharing or wanting a "piece of the pie."

You owe a writer for work done regardless of whether your attempt to exploit that product is ultimately fruitless. And you owe a writer for every separate attempt to exploit that product.

The studios and, more precisely, the conglomerates that own them hate that fact and are making a concerted effort to end this practice.

They want the writers to wait three years so they can "study" the business model. But that's exactly what happened with home video, and every three years since 1988 writers have tried to bring it up again and have gotten nothing. Why should they expect the studios to cut them a fair shake three years down the road for this?

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49. "This quote is the close to the truth"
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"It's a double-edged sword. The studios deserve what they're getting, because they've been announcing how great (the Internet) is. But then they open their books."

I don't doubt that online isn't making money. But the problem is that the studios have never opened their books. Their accounting is notoriously shady so when they say that the internet isn't making money nobody believes them. Jon Stewart mocked that he wasn't making money off of the Daily Show site but honestly, how much money is being made? They had like two ads on the site (one for Bucky's coach syrup) so it's not like the ad revenue is rolling in. Making the issue all the more difficult is the fact that this sets a precedent for the Actors and Directors negotiations.

The place where people are getting screwed is in film where they get zero for movies sold online. If the studios were smart, they'd give up a little bit more in online sales than they do on DVD sales and they could appease the film writers and drive a wedge between them and the TV Writers.

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56. "the internet is still really nebulous in this regard"
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But I suppose it's better they get this straightened out sooner than later.

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61. "check this out"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beMNePzqpzQ

  

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62. "I kind of disagree with that guy"
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Clearly, because of what he mentioned with Heroes and because you can buy episodes on ITunes, the WGA can't just continue to get zero for internet. However, there needs to be some wiggle room in this first negotiation. How much extra do companies get charged to be an online sponsor? Is it a flat rate or on a per hit/play scale?

The WGA's mistake (and its the same one that they made with reality TV) is that they are trying to take a hard line on something that they don't really understand. They are trying to make a stand on this but the networks haven't even figured out the medium and they certainly aren't going to make a deal that could cost them money.

The WGA already has screwed themselves. AMPTE said Let's go with the current DVD pay scale for films bought on the internet. WGA said no because they wanted the DVD percentage raised. Next thing you nkow, the WGA has taken the DVD issue off of the table and is focusing on New Media.

The WGA needs to come up with a interim system and make it known that this issue will be up for negotiation in three years. DVD pay scale for movies/shows bought on the internet. And (this could change depending on the type of ad buys the internet gets) an extra residual payment for every episode aired online.

The idea that giving up ground on this issue will spell doom for any and all future negotiations and could lead to deteriorating benefits in the future is exactly the wrong way to approach this. If there was some place where they could have stood strong it was in the DVD percentages. New Media is where there needs to be some give and take.

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75. "The DVD issue was removed from the table as a last-minute"
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attempt at making progress during Sunday's negotiations

That was the first, last, and only time the DVD issue was dropped by the WGA negotiating committee during this negotiations process
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76. "They dropped it when AMPTE said they'd move on New Media"
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I think that they should let up on the new media (it terms of show on network websites) and focus on linking online download purchases with DVD's and getting that percentage raised.

If there is one thing that they should be willing to give up a little on, it's the websites not DVD.

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77. "those two are already linked."
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>I think that they should let up on the new media (it terms of
>show on network websites) and focus on linking online download
>purchases with DVD's and getting that percentage raised.
>
>If there is one thing that they should be willing to give up a
>little on, it's the websites not DVD.

The studios offered to carry the DVD rate over to internet downloads. That percentage is peanuts, and they have no intention of raising it. Plus, they don't want to give even that little bit for streaming media.

The fact that no one is sure how much money there is to be made in the future on the internet is close to irrelevant. The relevant fact is that they said the same thing 20 years ago regarding home media, and the way things proceeded in the 20 years since make it clear that they have no intention of ever readdressing that. So what sense does it make to "give up a little" on internet stuff now?

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78. "Because you need to give up something in negotiations"
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And they would be wiser focusing on the DVD/download rate and getting a chunk of the money from when networks sell reruns rights to a cable channel and giving a little (or even a lot) on TV on the web.

The Lost example from the clip is just wrong. They nixed the reruns because people hated all the breaks and ratings were dropping. Studios have realized that they can make more buy selling the first rerun rights, ordering more original episodes, and airing a new show (They ran Daybreak instead of reruns last seeason, Heroes was going with Heroes: Origins, etc.)

While everyone's focusing on the internet, they haven't noticed that the television broadcast landscape has changed. Cable channels are getting more advertising dollars, they are paying a lot to get rights to show reruns of current shows, reruns on networks are on the decline and they are ordering more original programming and more episodes of current series.

There's a lot of money floating around and most of it has nothing to do with the internet. Writers should just agree to a one-time residual payout for a show that is put on the online. They are asking for a per-dollar payout which is never going to happen. They can't even get a per-dollar amount they like on DVD's.

The idea that pretty soon everyone's TV will be hooked up to their computer is jumping the gun. There's no way that that change happens before the next WGA contract comes due. I'd be stunned if everyone even had HD TV's by that time, let alone TV/computers.

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80. "The increase in the DVD rate is what they gave up."
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They have been asking for an increase in the DVD rate for 20 years to no avail. So there was no reasonable expectation that there would be any change on that front -- especially this year, when the studios said demanding an increase in the DVD rate was a non-starter and they refused to negotiate until writers took that off the table.

So writers gave that up.

But given the way things went on the home video rate (i.e. studios claim it's all new and unknown, so writers should accept a lower rate until it all becomes clearer, then after the money starts coming in the studios refuse to give any rate increase whatsoever, nothing in 20 years, and now they claim home video is flat and the studios need that money to survive), do you really expect that the studios are going to act in good faith regarding internet?

Tell me which you think is more likely: studios are going to study the internet models, figure out a way to consistently make money, then decide to cut writers in on a fair and reasonable share three (or six) years down the road at the next negotiations? Or studios will follow the exact same pattern as described above in regard to home video?

There's good faith negotiations and then there's just bend over and take it.


>And they would be wiser focusing on the DVD/download rate and
>getting a chunk of the money from when networks sell reruns
>rights to a cable channel and giving a little (or even a lot)
>on TV on the web.
>
>The Lost example from the clip is just wrong. They nixed the
>reruns because people hated all the breaks and ratings were
>dropping. Studios have realized that they can make more buy
>selling the first rerun rights, ordering more original
>episodes, and airing a new show (They ran Daybreak instead of
>reruns last seeason, Heroes was going with Heroes: Origins,
>etc.)

There are specific things about those shows that make reruns less attractive to viewers. But a big part of why they can make more money is they have to pay residuals on TV reruns, regardless of the ratings. But if they shift those same reruns to the internet, they can show it as many times as they want -- and charge for advertising -- and not pay the writers one dime more.

>
>While everyone's focusing on the internet, they haven't
>noticed that the television broadcast landscape has changed.
>Cable channels are getting more advertising dollars, they are
>paying a lot to get rights to show reruns of current shows,
>reruns on networks are on the decline and they are ordering
>more original programming and more episodes of current
>series.
>
>There's a lot of money floating around and most of it has
>nothing to do with the internet. Writers should just agree to
>a one-time residual payout for a show that is put on the
>online. They are asking for a per-dollar payout which is
>never going to happen. They can't even get a per-dollar
>amount they like on DVD's.

But they should, and that's why they are striking.

Like I've said, it has nothing to do with how much money is floating around on the internet right now. It's all about the future. They took a cut initially on home video, and have never been able to get it back. But you think it's wise to take a cut on internet now, and get it back when? On what, cable TV, which pays lower rates and is going the way of the rest of the TV dinosaur in future?

Internet -- broadband, electronic delivery, whatever you call it -- is the future. History has shown that waiting for the next contract negotiations is foolish. If the writers take a crap deal now, they will be stuck with it for a very long time.

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87. "RE: The increase in the DVD rate is what they gave up."
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So the WGA have always been bad at negotiating and now they are going to keep their current screw-ups as is and try to negotiate a better deal on something that people have no real handle on yet. If that doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster, I don't know what does.

Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to clean up the messes you have and take a step back on the newer media. The idea of "Man, we can never get anything from these guys so we better get it now" doesn't make any sense to me.

DVD/downloads are a known commodity. There's nothing really to haggle about. But if you don't get the DVD percentage raised then the best case scenario is that you'll get that same percentage for downloads.

Cable TV is blowing up, both in original programming and buying reruns. The WGA needs to re-examine the cable discounts as well as getting money from the sales of re-runs to cable. The current system doesn't take into account cable networks like USA (NBC), FX (Fox), or TNT and TBS.

The WGA is going to get fleeced on both of those while they fight for a per-dollar payout on internet TV which will never happen. That's like asking for per-dollar of network advertising. If you can't get more than 3 cents for a DVD, you really think you can negotiate that kind of deal?

Remove the WGA's pathetic negotiating history and honestly look at the issues. Common sense says clean up the messes we have and compromise on the internet but make it known that it will be a key issue next time around. If you don't think you'll be able to get anything from the producers in the future, what makes you think that they'll be more willing to deal now when the medium is more nebulous?

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91. "First, let me say two things"
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which, I may have stated before, but just to be clear.

I'm not in the guild. Not that you need to be to have an opinion on this, or to voice that opinion. But I'm just saying it for the record.

And, my opinion on what the writers *should* be strike for, what issues should be most important, is not directly impacted by what I think they can win. Writers could ultimately end up getting screwed. But I feel that is less about picking the wrong demands than the writers ultimately not having a lot of power. Sure, there may be some demands the writers could make that may have a greater chance of leading to a deal. But it is my position that a deal winning those points (whatever they are) would be far less significant than a deal satisfactorily addressing the issues I'm talking about.

Having said all that...

>So the WGA have always been bad at negotiating and now they
>are going to keep their current screw-ups as is and try to
>negotiate a better deal on something that people have no real
>handle on yet. If that doesn't sound like a recipe for
>disaster, I don't know what does.

It IS a recipe for disaster. First off, a strike is always a disaster. Or, as someone much smarter than me said, "a strike is a failure." But that doesn't necessarily mean the is a bad idea.

>
>Personally, I think it makes a lot more sense to clean up the
>messes you have and take a step back on the newer media. The
>idea of "Man, we can never get anything from these guys so we
>better get it now" doesn't make any sense to me.

First, can you acknowledge that what you suggesting writers do on new media is EXACTLY what writers did on the last new media (VHS, etc)?

Or, more correctly, the position is "Man, we can never get anything from these guys AFTER THE FACT so we better get it now."

>
>DVD/downloads are a known commodity. There's nothing really to
>haggle about.

Wrong. Despite what may be known, studios are claiming DVD growth is flat and that growing costs in other areas mean they are even more dependent on DVD money to stay in business. Writers acknowledge studios' rising costs in other areas, but however flat the DVD numbers may be, it is still large enough to cut them in for a larger share. Studios, additionally, called the DVD issue a non-starter and flat-out refused to discuss it. So, yeah, there is plenty to haggle about.

But if you don't get the DVD percentage raised
>then the best case scenario is that you'll get that same
>percentage for downloads.

That's already been offered

>
>Cable TV is blowing up, both in original programming and
>buying reruns. The WGA needs to re-examine the cable
>discounts as well as getting money from the sales of re-runs
>to cable. The current system doesn't take into account cable
>networks like USA (NBC), FX (Fox), or TNT and TBS.

Cable is blowing up relative to the networks. But I defy you to find a credible source who thinks cable TV is the future anymore. May they used to say that. But with internet, the question is not if but when.

>
>The WGA is going to get fleeced on both of those while they
>fight for a per-dollar payout on internet TV which will never
>happen. That's like asking for per-dollar of network
>advertising. If you can't get more than 3 cents for a DVD,
>you really think you can negotiate that kind of deal?

Like I said, I'm not speaking on whether this is will be successful. It *could* work, maybe. But it is *right.*

>Remove the WGA's pathetic negotiating history and honestly
>look at the issues. Common sense says clean up the messes we
>have and compromise on the internet but make it known that it
>will be a key issue next time around.

Yeah, but it's impossible to complete remove the history from the situation. Common sense says that the studios haven't budged on this issue in 20 years and declared it non-starter this time around. Looking just at the issues, most feel DVDs will eventually go the way of vinyl. So, at some point you have to ask if that ship has sailed and do you move on to the next battle. What cable TV is, and I don't know enough about cable numbers to argue about that, but whatever it is, it is not the next battle.

If you don't think
>you'll be able to get anything from the producers in the
>future, what makes you think that they'll be more willing to
>deal now when the medium is more nebulous?

It's not about not thinking you can get something in the future. It's that once it's set, will it ever change?


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93. "Allow me to retort"
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- "First, can you acknowledge that what you suggesting writers do on new media is EXACTLY what writers did on the last new media (VHS, etc)?'

No. Because this new media (in the case of downloads) isn't at all like the last new media. VHS revolutionized how people watched films. You didn't have to go to the theater anymore. You could wait for it on VHS. The internet, however, is simply changing the delivery device. To me, downloads is like the change from VHS to DVD.

As for saying it's a non-starter, pretty much EVERYTHING on the table is a non-starter for AMPTE. New Media is a non-starter as well. The only concession being made on New Media is the studios saying they'll talk about it in three years.

You have to choose a fight and I think getting a raise on a system that's in place (DVD/Cable) is more likely than possibly revolutionizing the TV system (which leads to...)

-"Cable is blowing up relative to the networks. But I defy you to find a credible source who thinks cable TV is the future anymore. May they used to say that. But with internet, the question is not if but when."

Here's where I completely disagree. The thing people don't seem to be noticing is that when internet takes over and all TV's are actually computers, there won't be a difference between "network" and "cable". "Cable" was seen as a lesser option because everyone got the networks but you had to sign up for cable. But now almost everyone has cable and the gap is closing. Yet the WGA still has lesser payments from cable stations.

If GE wants to make more money on a show (like Criminal Intent, Psych, Burn Notice, or Monk) they just play it on USA. Rather than put Burn Notice on NBC this summer (and have to pay more for a network show), NBC airs a cheap reality show (and makes decent money) while putting Burn Notice and Monk on USA, where the show get similar ratings as it would on NBC but is cheaper to make.

I think this will be a growing issue in the next decade as more and more show air on cable and cable writers wonder why their show, which gets good ratings, pays less than a crappy network show.

And while the cable/network gap is closing, when internet takes over (which I think will take much longer than the WGA seems to think), there won't be any gap at all. There's no such thing as "network" or "cable" when it comes to the internet. Everyone is equal on the internet which will simply become the new broadcast standard (yet the WGA isn't trying to extend broadcast standards to the 'Net, they are trying to reinvent the wheel).

Honestly, when the internet blows up, I wouldn't be stunned if sites like MySpace or even Funny or Die became the new "networks". MySpace is already trying it out, airing an original show from the producer of My So-Called Life.


-- ">The WGA is going to get fleeced on both of those while they
>fight for a per-dollar payout on internet TV which will never
>happen. That's like asking for per-dollar of network
>advertising. If you can't get more than 3 cents for a DVD,
>you really think you can negotiate that kind of deal?

Like I said, I'm not speaking on whether this is will be successful. It *could* work, maybe. But it is *right.*"

I don't really see how it is right. This discussion completely revamps the TV system completely. It's not some small move. It would essentially end the residuals system and have everyone (writers, actors, directors, producers) taking away advertising revenue. It's basically like if a film gave everyone points on the backend. They'd be asking studios to share the wealth while assuming none of the risk.

The only way this works is if writers agree to take less money in salary and then they'd be singing the producers' song of "Oh, the technology isn't there yet. We can't do that right now."

- "Yeah, but it's impossible to complete remove the history from the situation. Common sense says that the studios haven't budged on this issue in 20 years and declared it non-starter this time around. Looking just at the issues, most feel DVDs will eventually go the way of vinyl. So, at some point you have to ask if that ship has sailed and do you move on to the next battle."

If the WGA couldn't get them to budge on VHS or then DVD, why would you think they would be able to do it on downloads, which isn't as established yet? The studios have all the more reason not to raise downloads. The only way this makes sense is if the WGA is saying, "Yeah, we can get screwed for the next 5 - 10 years (or however long it takes DVD to go the way of vinyl) so that then we can get that raise we should have gotten yesterday." And then the WGA gets to cross their fingers and hope that the studios don't start a subscription service like Netflix's "View Now" to replace downloads (which I think is VERY possible).

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95. "by all means"
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>- "First, can you acknowledge that what you suggesting
>writers do on new media is EXACTLY what writers did on the
>last new media (VHS, etc)?'
>
>No. Because this new media (in the case of downloads) isn't at
>all like the last new media. VHS revolutionized how people
>watched films. You didn't have to go to the theater anymore.
>You could wait for it on VHS. The internet, however, is simply
>changing the delivery device. To me, downloads is like the
>change from VHS to DVD.

I'm not talking about the specifics of the form of media, I'm talking about the patter of negotiations. Writers did exactly what you suggested and got screwed. Now you suggest they do the same thing when it looks like they will get the same results -- a crappy deal they are stuck with forever. Twenty years from now, someone like you will be saying "writers need to focus on cleaning up that mess with the old media of the internet and stop worrying about this direct-brain-beaming stuff that studios aren't making any money on."

By the way, this isn't about downloads. It's about the internet, regardless of how the content is delivered.

>
>You have to choose a fight and I think getting a raise on a
>system that's in place (DVD/Cable) is more likely than
>possibly revolutionizing the TV system (which leads to...)
>

Like I said, I can't speak on the specifics of cable -- know enough. But this I do know. Cable pays less because it's part of an established system: ratings. Less viewers, less ad dollars, less pay. I think the reason you don't hear anyone arguing about cable is because no one is worried about it. The main reason is the same as the reason the DVD thing is a lost cause. There is an established pattern of negotiating increases for that. When ratings (and ad dollars increase), you can bet writers will be there asking for a larger share. The perfect example is the CW now (and I'm guessing Fox in the past). Now, rates for shows on the CW (formerly UPN and WB) are lower than those for the main networks. One of the things on the table this year is increasing rates for CW shows. And they'll get some sort of increase.

That's how it works, and I'm sure that's how it would work for cable networks if and when it is warranted. But the pattern of negotiations for home video is that writers have accepted crap in the past. Hard to get around that. Impossible? Maybe, maybe not. But difficult to the point that many writers question whether it's worth striking over, especially when many people say DVDs will not be here forever.

>
>-- ">The WGA is going to get fleeced on both of those while
>they
>>fight for a per-dollar payout on internet TV which will
>never
>>happen. That's like asking for per-dollar of network
>>advertising. If you can't get more than 3 cents for a DVD,
>>you really think you can negotiate that kind of deal?
>
>Like I said, I'm not speaking on whether this is will be
>successful. It *could* work, maybe. But it is *right.*"
>
>I don't really see how it is right. This discussion
>completely revamps the TV system completely. It's not some
>small move. It would essentially end the residuals system and
>have everyone (writers, actors, directors, producers) taking
>away advertising revenue. It's basically like if a film gave
>everyone points on the backend. They'd be asking studios to
>share the wealth while assuming none of the risk.

Writers are asking to carry over a system of residuals to the internet, not get rid of it.

Take away advertising revenue? What do you think the TV networks are paying writers' residuals with now? It's not just out of DVD box sets of TV shows. It's out of ad revenue.

On the internet, they are selling ad space too. And claiming the streaming of TV shows is just promotional. They are selling advertising space on... advertising?

What the writers are asking for is not that different from what the already have. The details have to be worked out, for sure. But claiming that writers don't deserve to be paid for it because it is just promotional, or that they haven't figured out how to make money on it, is blatantly silly and patently false.

>The only way this works is if writers agree to take less money
>in salary and then they'd be singing the producers' song of
>"Oh, the technology isn't there yet. We can't do that right
>now."
>
>- "Yeah, but it's impossible to complete remove the history
>from the situation. Common sense says that the studios haven't
>budged on this issue in 20 years and declared it non-starter
>this time around. Looking just at the issues, most feel DVDs
>will eventually go the way of vinyl. So, at some point you
>have to ask if that ship has sailed and do you move on to the
>next battle."
>
>If the WGA couldn't get them to budge on VHS or then DVD, why
>would you think they would be able to do it on downloads,
>which isn't as established yet? The studios have all the more
>reason not to raise downloads. The only way this makes sense
>is if the WGA is saying, "Yeah, we can get screwed for the
>next 5 - 10 years (or however long it takes DVD to go the way
>of vinyl) so that then we can get that raise we should have
>gotten yesterday." And then the WGA gets to cross their
>fingers and hope that the studios don't start a subscription
>service like Netflix's "View Now" to replace downloads (which
>I think is VERY possible).


Don't you see? Writers are saying that that is EXACTLY what is going to happen. It's happening now for TV shows. Like I said, it's not about downloads, per se. Writers may be willing to take the DVD rate on permanent downloads. The fight, essentially, is over streaming media.


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96. "Well then I shall"
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>I'm not talking about the specifics of the form of media, I'm
>talking about the patter of negotiations. Writers did exactly
>what you suggested and got screwed. Now you suggest they do
>the same thing when it looks like they will get the same
>results -- a crappy deal they are stuck with forever. Twenty
>years from now, someone like you will be saying "writers need
>to focus on cleaning up that mess with the old media of the
>internet and stop worrying about this direct-brain-beaming
>stuff that studios aren't making any money on."

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying you go with the "3 year study" (but work out so writers get some compensation if their show is online) and don't make any set deal. You defer the new media battle for another day. The idea of "We have to win and we have to win now" makes as much sense as WGA Leadership's re-election rallying cry of "We aren't going to get anything if we don't get reality writers".

>The perfect example is the CW now (and I'm guessing Fox in the
>past). Now, rates for shows on the CW (formerly UPN and WB)
>are lower than those for the main networks. One of the things
>on the table this year is increasing rates for CW shows. And
>they'll get some sort of increase.

This is a perfect example. The CW ratings are still garbage. Univision gets better ratings. Smallville is the only scripted show bringing in numbers that are all that much better than cable shows. Take away Top Model, WWE, Beauty and the Geek and the ratings probably wouldn't be much better than the top cable networks original programming. Focusing on the CW and ignoring USA, TNT, TBS, FX, etc. is a mistake, IMO.

>Writers are asking to carry over a system of residuals to the
>internet, not get rid of it.

Now they are not. They are asking for per-dollar participation which is completely different. It's the difference between getting a set residual payment and getting points in the back end. They are essentially asking for the film equivalent of points on the back end and everyone knows that the only people who ever get that level of profit participation are top actors/directors. Expecting it for writers in general is never going to happen.

Carrying over the residual system is what I've been saying. Treat streaming video like cable used to be, get a smaller residual for shows put on the web for now and in three years, we'll see where streaming media is.


>On the internet, they are selling ad space too. And claiming
>the streaming of TV shows is just promotional. They are
>selling advertising space on... advertising?
>
>What the writers are asking for is not that different from
>what the already have. The details have to be worked out, for
>sure. But claiming that writers don't deserve to be paid for
>it because it is just promotional, or that they haven't
>figured out how to make money on it, is blatantly silly and
>patently false.

This I agree with. And it is why I said that over the three year "test" period, the writers should get a partial residual package. But to expect to get a per-dollar percentage of the ad money is an entirely new ballgame and one that the studios will never go for.


>Don't you see? Writers are saying that that is EXACTLY what is
>going to happen. It's happening now for TV shows. Like I said,
>it's not about downloads, per se. Writers may be willing to
>take the DVD rate on permanent downloads. The fight,
>essentially, is over streaming media.

Writers turned down the DVD rate on permanent downloads. That was offered by AMPTE before the strike and the WGA said no way.

The fight is over streaming media and nobody has a handle on it yet. Expecting the writers to simply get nothing for it during the three year test is ridiculous but so is thinking the studios are giving up participation in ad revenue with a per-dollar system.

Ari Emmanuel got skewered by some for his blog about the strike but I agree with it. What writers are striking for are the set minimums. They can negotiate for better deals individually but they are just trying to set the bar. In some cases, DVD/downloads, the bar has to be raised. But I personally still think its too early for the bar to be set on streaming media (for either side).

Honestly, if the WGA holds to their position, I'd put money on the union breaking up before they get what they want.


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101. "we're going to have to agree to disagree"
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if for no reason other than I don't have a lot of free time, and I feel like I'm gonna start repeating myself.

However, despite my stance on the "rightness" of the writers' position, I share your doubt about how successful this strike will be for the writers.

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66. "He sounds just like Fred Armisen on Weekend Update on Saturday"
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"What profit?!"

  

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97. "Eisner is an evil fucking bastard. He single-handedly ruined Disney."
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Fuck him.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

  

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50. ""Why We Fight" video"
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I'm sure this can be found via one of the previously posted links, but I thought it deserved its own post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ55Ir2jCxk

It's a short video that gives the writers' side of the story. Writers have been losing the propaganda war. But if anyone wants to know their side of the story, this pretty much covers it.

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58. "The Office writing staff on the picket line (vid link)"
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http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/blog/2007/11/office-is-closed.php

  

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59. "The joke about "promo" is funny"
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NBC/Universal tried that same argument regarding the Battlestar Galactica webisodes that aired between season 2 and season 3. They kept saying they were "promotion". Although they had numerous actors (including some regulars), a sizeable crew, writers and directors, and they lasted about 5 minutes each and there were 10 of them. NBC knows good and well those weren't promos.

>http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/blog/2007/11/office-is-closed.php


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64. "Carell told NBC he was staying home with "enlarged balls""
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LMAO

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89. "He actually didn't say that, a blogger on UnitedHollywood.com did"
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______________________________________________________________________
Went to the shelf
and dusted off the A.K.

  

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67. "Great vid!"
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!

  

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63. "'24' Postpones Season 7 Due to Strike (swipe)"
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http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/11/24-strikes-out.html

'24' Postpones Season 7 Due to Strike
Nov 7, 2007, 06:22 PM | by Dan Snierson

Categories: Strike, TV

Even the mighty Jack Bauer is no match for a WGA strike: Fox has decided to postpone the previously scheduled January 13 debut of 24's seventh season so Kiefer Sutherland's alter ego will not be left hanging indefinitely in the middle of some world-saving story line. The series will finish shooting through episode 8 before shutting down production later this month, and it will likely be rescheduled at a time when this season's episodes can be seen in consecutive weeks.

To fill the void left by 24, Fox has scheduled the premiere of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles for Jan. 13 and 14. Prison Break, which was scheduled to go off the air in December and return in April, will now get an early hiatus, following the Nov. 12 episode; the show will resume Jan. 14. American Idol will also return Jan. 15 and 16 with a two-night, four-hour debut.

  

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65. "Fans with to capacity DVRS will at least have time to catch up"
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69. "^^ understands ^^"
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i blame my SO

..|.,

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74. "that's what i'll be doin..."
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..and rewatchin The Wire

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79. "I still got the last disc of FNL to watch and then all of S2"
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My shits @ like 80% this break is a blessing in disguise..for me anyway. I dont like people not gettin paid, dont get me wrong!!

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68. "Next Week's The Office is the last new episode until the strike ends."
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70. "Anyone heard some of these picket chants??"
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Eva Longoria, we write the storia!!!

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71. "^ lame"
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and these are professional writers?

  

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72. "Sorta my point, gonna cost em some cash if thats all theyre bringin"
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>and these are professional writers?
>
>

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73. "i know..."
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lol @ "gonna cost em some cash if thats all theyre bringin"

seriously, if they're coming up with somehting like that when their livelyhood is in jepardy... then they're in trouble.

but thats just me...

  

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81. "Crossed the picket line today."
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Sorry ya'll, but as I said - I'm not a producer, actor, writer or scab so I can't feel all that bad. I understand this strike and all, but making it harder for people like me...or security guards, make up artists, craft service people, etc. to get to work is downright dickish. What I'm referring to is writers circling through the crosswalk when the light turns green and not stopping until it's yellow...which they are obviously well within their rights to do, but it IS obstructing my way into work.

Other than that, I heard better chants like "4 MORE CENTS!" and things like that.

Later in the day, they were letting people in easier. And they didn't yell at people coming in like the grocery strike some years ago. I do support the notion they don't make enough, but it blows for people like me...that's all.

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82. "WE STAND IN YOUR WAY-OH FOR ELLEN POMPEO!!!"
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84. "Hey Eva lookie, we dont wont your cookies!!"
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83. "The Wire Season 5, January 08!"
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yeeeeeeee. lol

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85. "Why the writers are right (SWIPE)"
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He makes the same points I believe in. The writer's can NOT wait 3 years for the studios to determine the "viability" of this new media. They will miss the boat and lose out on money. They've been putting content on websites for years, with advertising, they know how much money they can make. Plus this type of entertainment programming is the future. The writers need to get in now.


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20159387,00.html

The Final Cut
Why the Striking Writers Are Right

Producers are full of reasons for not giving scribes the revenue share they deserve — and all of those excuses are ludicrous, says our columnist

By Mark Harris

(This is a column about the writers' strike, so some full disclosure is in order. Anyone who wants to call me a tool of management should know that Entertainment Weekly is fully owned by The Man, a.k.a. Time Warner. Anyone who wants to call me a tool of labor should know that I am married to a WGA member. And anyone who wants to split the difference and just call me a tool is welcome to do so on the message boards, where I always enjoy your kind words.)

The Writers Guild of America is a hard union to love, even for many of its members. Anybody who has spent time in a roomful of writers knows that getting them to agree on anything is a fool's errand. Fill that room with 12,000 people, and you have a fractious alliance that has, at times, barely been on speaking terms with itself. The WGA, long known as the guild that can't even unite its East and West coasts, has always been something of a mess, and its handling of the run-up to the strike that started on Nov. 1 has been met with some justifiable criticism. It's not easy to reconcile the needs of TV showrunners (who are essentially both labor and management), movie screenwriters (who are pure labor), young Daily Show writers, old hands living off residuals, a few people who make a great living and a lot of people who don't, all within the scope of a single contract. And this year's WGA negotiating team started off on a bad foot, packing 25 years of resentment about lousy deals to which their own predecessors had acquiesced into a list of new demands meant to rectify old injustices.

While they were doing that, the producers, with breathtaking dishonesty, worked a press corps that remains all too willing to live in their back pockets, portraying writers as ungrateful millionaire princelings. As this nonsense was taking root, the WGA bobbled any real chance of coordinating its efforts with other guilds, spent months talking tough while making it easy for the networks to live without writers by helping them stockpile scripts, and failed to make their own strong case to journalists until they hit the picket line. As negotiators and strategists, they're not geniuses. Many commentators have compared the WGA to the Democratic Party, and like the Dems, the Guild is a loose coalition of people whose shared interests are only occasionally strong enough to counterbalance their sharp internal divisions. But (also like the Dems), they're capable of summoning a surprisingly united front in the face of a common foe. They've now done just that.

It's a shame that the WGA so neglected its own image in the weeks leading up to the strike, since it has led too many observers to embrace the laziest kind of neutrality — a position that sneers at the hyperbole of both sides, and in so doing suggests that the writers and producers are somehow equally far from reason — that a magical midpoint of compromise could be found if everyone would just calm down. That's not what's going on here. The writers may be conflicted and prickly, but they're also right. The studios and networks are wrong. And yes, when you strip everything else away, it really is that simple.

Complaints about tactics, timing, and the problematic personalities at the negotiating table shouldn't obscure the fact that the position of the AMPTP (the producers' negotiating alliance) has been, and remains, ethically indefensible on the two issues that matter most — residuals and new media. Let's look at residuals first. Currently, for every dollar spent on a DVD, writers receive about one-third of a penny. They would like, instead, to receive about two-thirds of a penny. The AMPTP's first response to this was to waste weeks by advocating a complete abolition of the residual system. Why, they argued, should writers get paid anything for their work after it's released? Studio chiefs who are smart enough to know better even hauled out a tired old maxim attributed to the late MCA titan Lew Wasserman — ''My plumber doesn't charge me every time I flush the toilet'' — and repeated it in perfect Karl Rove everybody-stay-on-message lockstep.

Ugh. Lines like that give you a taste of what the entertainment world will be like if management ends up doing its own writing. Not to belabor an already disgusting analogy, but writers — and directors and actors, who have their own renegotiations coming up — aren't the plumber: They're the water. Without them, nothing goes anywhere, and you end up with a toilet full of...well, let's just say ''reruns.''

In making this why-should-we-keep-paying argument, the AMPTP blithely ignored a century of copyright law that grants creative writers in every other field — novelists, composers, lyricists, playwrights — ongoing income from their work based on its sales. The studios and networks claim that the difference is that writers for film and TV don't hold copyrights to their own work. That's a fair legal distinction, but a morally illegitimate one, since writers for movies and television do the same kind of work, face the same kind of chronically unsteady income, and depend in the same way on income from good years to tide them through bad ones.

If you run a company that produces written entertainment, you either believe that writers have value, or you don't. If you do, the only decent thing to do is to recognize the legitimacy of paying writers a percentage — yes, a whole two-thirds of a penny — as long as the companies that own their work continue to derive income from it. What's not decent is to have spent valuable negotiating time floating a specious theory of big-picture bullcrap about how the residual system is ''antiquated'' without offering any alternative compensation in its place. (Since the producers abruptly dropped this idea, one has to wonder if it was ever raised as anything other than a thuggish scare/stalling tactic in the first place.)

Oddly, the same executives who speak with absolute authority about the horrifying injustice of paying residuals seem to turn into bewildered children, lost in a fogbound forest and helpless to see even two feet ahead, when they confront the other big issue: income from streaming video, new media, and the Internet. Writers, like everybody else with a brain and a computer, have figured out that this is where a large chunk of the future of movie and TV revenue resides, and they want a piece of it. To which the producers have essentially responded: What's this newfangled Interweb you're talking about? We don't know how it works! Are you sure there's a way we can make money from it? What a silly thing to even talk about! What next, flying cars?

Never mind that these same executives have, for years, vigorously pursued deals to put their content on the Internet, acquire websites, and sell advertising for both original and repurposed programming. (Why? To make money, in case anyone is unclear.) Suddenly, when the people who write that material ask for a share, they go all fuzzyheaded. One of AMPTP's demands has been a three-year period to study the economic viability of new media. You read that right: three years. If any studio honcho can keep a straight face while uttering the phrase ''three-year study,'' I'll fork over...at least two-thirds of a penny. What's the breakdown — one year to figure out the cash flow, one year to count the money, and one year to decide which lie to tell the writers?

The problem with this position is that writers deserve a share of revenue for material they help to create. Not a share only if the revenue is really, really a lot. A share, period. If it turns out that streaming video is a goldmine, then both sides will get a lot of money. If it turns out not to be, they'll get less. Corporations are fond of reminding their employees that they're all a ''family'' during tough times. But when families sit down to dinner, Dad doesn't get to say, ''I'm gonna eat until I decide I'm full, and then we'll see if there's anything left for the rest of you.'' The right of a writer to earn money from work that continues to generate revenue cannot be dependent on how comfy studio and network heads are with the fullness of their own coffers.

The producers' alliance disagrees. They've put their game faces on for a months-long strike that could devastate the economic lives not just of writers but of any workers whose jobs vanish when a lack of scripts shuts down the production that employs them. AMPTP's position is that it can outlast the writers, and it probably can. But why should people in the business of making and selling creative product evince such contempt for the people who make that product possible? Do these gentlemen, some of whom are active and vigorous fundraisers for the Democratic Party, know what the Democrats think of corporate fat cats that try to starve out unions? In this strike, management may yet get what it wants — but only by pursuing it with callousness, greed, and disdain for the people who create the work without which their companies wouldn't exist. It's hard to respect anyone who wants to win that way.

Whatever else happens, it's time for both sides to start talking again. Nikki Finke, who has covered the negotiations with more zeal and specificity than any major media outlet on her Deadline Hollywood Daily blog, has recently suggested that the level of acrimony between the negotiators has never been higher. If it's true that the people on either side of the bargaining table are now so at odds that dialogue is impossible, then they should step away and be replaced with people whose interest is not in posturing or bullying, but in negotiating a fair settlement. And the first move ought to come from the producers: As always in a labor dispute, real negotiations begin only when management commits to the principle of treating its employees with respect and fairness. If the producers can't do that, then the future that the studios and networks pretend is too murky to discuss is going to become a lot clearer — and a lot uglier.



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86. "wait a goddamn minute here"
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Your plumbers aren't charging you everytime you flush the toilet?


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88. "More focusing on the new media angle (as smart as focusing on reality)"
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Does anyone think that in three years that all TV's will be computers? The change is not going to be that fast. The WGA should agree to the three year study but they should stipulate that the study be done by an outside company. The WGA will foot part of the bill for the study for a fair analysis.

Meanwhile, the WGA should get the rest of its house in order (DVD/downloads, cable, etc.) Honestly, a three year break on new media is fine IMO. Get a partial residual for every show put online over that time and plan on fighting that battle later. Use the time now to focus on the battles that the WGA is getting slaughtered in right now.

Personally, I thought that article was pretty lame. It was the typical name-calling instead of someone addressing all of the issues.

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92. "gotta think long-term, here"
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Why would anyone be fighting over DVD sales in late 2007? Will every TV in America be a computer in 2010? Probably not, but you can bet the home video market will have changed drastically by then.

Arguing over 'new media' seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill in some respects. Right now they're fighting to get a larger piece of a very, very small pie. But everybody seems to at least agree that there is a pie, and there's a pretty good chance that pie will be growing in the coming years. So what's wrong with agreeing on a % of pie? Regardless of how big the pie gets?

It's better to get this kind of stuff worked out before and not after. They're not really fighting about the money they'll make today, but rather the money they might get cut out of tomorrow. And of course, there's a lot of 'the money we should have made yesterday' tossed in there, too. You can tell there's mad saltiness and resentment here. Bunch of mad, mad doggies. If WGA wants to cite the VHS thing as an example, then fine. But damn, they're still sounding pissed off about it.

Now, all that said I don't look at the studios as these evil empires they're occasionally made out to be. If I were a studio I'd be damn hesitant to put anything in writing at this point, too. Because it's a new media and it's uncharted territory to an extent. The '3 year study' thing is fishy because it makes it seem as if the studios are just winging it, completely bewildered by this newfangled intar-webs. Fine, they're not psychics, but can you really believe they don't already have a fairly detailed strategy lined up for at least the next 3 years? Do companies not do projected earnings anymore?

I dunno if it's entirely fair for the writer of that article to downplay the whole 2/3 of a cent thing. Reading that as a person and not a corporation, thinking only in terms of the loose change in your couch cushions, it really skews things quite a bit.

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94. "RE: gotta think long-term, here"
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>Why would anyone be fighting over DVD sales in late 2007?
>Will every TV in America be a computer in 2010? Probably not,
>but you can bet the home video market will have changed
>drastically by then.

The way I see it is the WGA should DVD/downloads together and getting the same rate for them. If you really want to think long-term, how long will downloading last? Netflix already has a View Now option and the latest ITunes has code for "Rentals" built in. Who's to say that downloads won't be obsolete and everything won't be streaming video. If this discussion took place one year ago, the WGA would have fought hard to get money from the sale of episodes on Itunes. A year later and the networks are streaming the shows themselves.

The WGA seems like they are willing to get shafted for a decade on DVD's so they can get hopefully get a raise on a technology that might also be defunct when every TV is a computer. It's like if they gave up on VHS and focused on Laser Disc.

>Arguing over 'new media' seems like making a mountain out of a
>mole hill in some respects. Right now they're fighting to get
>a larger piece of a very, very small pie. But everybody seems
>to at least agree that there is a pie, and there's a pretty
>good chance that pie will be growing in the coming years. So
>what's wrong with agreeing on a % of pie? Regardless of how
>big the pie gets?

But it is a mountain. Say the WGA gets what they want, a per-dollar percentage of advertising on the reruns online. When shows start streaming online in their first run, the WGA will want per-dollar on that as well. Ditto for the actors and directors. This would be a complete shift of TV finances. Residuals would be dead. It's like if every movie gave away points on the back-end to writers/actors/directors. It's not going to happen. It's just bad business.

And the more prominent the internet becomes, the easier it will be for people to simply make shows themselves. They won't need networks to broadcast them. NBC will be little more than a brand name.

>It's better to get this kind of stuff worked out before and
>not after. They're not really fighting about the money they'll
>make today, but rather the money they might get cut out of
>tomorrow. And of course, there's a lot of 'the money we should
>have made yesterday' tossed in there, too. You can tell
>there's mad saltiness and resentment here. Bunch of mad, mad
>doggies. If WGA wants to cite the VHS thing as an example,
>then fine. But damn, they're still sounding pissed off about
>it.

I just believe the thinking is flawed. They are trying to get better footing for the future while they still have no footing in the present. I think you fix your messes now and try to position yourselves for the future. That's why I don't mind the three year testing period (although there should be some residual payment) because it allows the WGA to deal with DVD/downloads and other present issues and then attack new media in a few years. Let's win a few battles before you try to win the war.


>Now, all that said I don't look at the studios as these evil
>empires they're occasionally made out to be. If I were a
>studio I'd be damn hesitant to put anything in writing at this
>point, too. Because it's a new media and it's uncharted
>territory to an extent. The '3 year study' thing is fishy
>because it makes it seem as if the studios are just winging
>it, completely bewildered by this newfangled intar-webs. Fine,
>they're not psychics, but can you really believe they don't
>already have a fairly detailed strategy lined up for at least
>the next 3 years? Do companies not do projected earnings
>anymore?

The best fiction in Hollywood is studio financing. They claim movies take years to break even (although it's widely known that no movie ever really loses money). The issue is that they are just getting a handle on the web. How much to charge for ad guys, how to figure out web ratings, etc. As I said before, a year ago, it was selling shows on Itunes. Now it's streaming them on the website. Who knows if something else will come up.

You can't just let them make money for three years, there has to be SOME sort of payment to writer and actors but I think coming up with a concrete system right now just isn't going to happen.

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90. "Once again, Mark Harris gets it right."
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And thank you for the support, nipsey
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98. "The first show could cross the line on Monday"
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Word is that show runners are crossing over and at least one major network show is possibly going to head back to work on Monday.

Studios have been sending out a breach of contract threat of a lawsuit which is apparently hitting home with a lot of people.

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i wonder whos gonna cross.

  

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99. "i didn't realize this perspective (swipe)"
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2007/11/i-was-until-rec.html


A grip's view of the strike

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Excerpts from an e-mail from Dale Alexander, a key grip on NBC's "The Office":

"Our show was shut down and we were all laid off this week. I've been watching the news since the WGA strike was announced and I have yet to see any coverage dedicated to the effect that this strike will have on the below the line employees.

"I respect the WGA's position. They probably do deserve a larger percentage of profit participation, but a lengthy strike will affect more than just the writers and studios. On my show we had 14 writers. There were also 2 cameramen, 2 camera assistants, 4 hair stylists, 4 makeup artists, 7 wardrobe people, 4 grips, 4 electricians, 2 craft service, 4 props people, 6 construction, 1 medic, 3 art department, 5 set dressers, 3 sound men, 3 stand-ins, 2 set PAs, 4 assistant directors, 1 DGA trainee, 1 unit manager, 6 production office personnel, 3 casting people, 4 writers assistants, 1 script supervisor, 2 editors, 2 editors assistants, 3 post production personnel, 1 facilities manager, 8 drivers, 2 location managers, 3 accountants, 4 caterers and a producer who's not a writer. All 102 of us are now out of work.

"I have been in the motion picture business for 33 years and have survived three major strikes. None of which have been by any of the below the line unions. During the 1988 WGA strike many of my friends lost their homes, cars and even spouses. Many actors are publicly backing the writers, some have even said that they would find a way to help pay bills for the striking writers. When the networks run out of new shows and they air repeats the writers will be paid residuals. The lowest paid writer in television makes roughly twice the salary than the below the line crewmember makes. Everyone should be paid their fair share, but does it have to be at the expense of the other 90% of the crewmembers. Nobody ever recoups from a strike, lost wages are just that, lost.

"We all know that the strike will be resolved. Eventually both sides will return to the bargaining table and make a deal. The only uncertainty is how many of our houses, livelihoods, college educations and retirement funds will pay for it."

--Maria Elena Fernandez




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102. "OMGG SOME SOAP WRITERS CROSS THE LINE, WE'S CRACKING NO! (swipe)"
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Key sentence here: "... the vast majority of soap scribes appear to be keeping their computers turned off."

from Variety:

>Soap writers cross the picket line

'Restless' scribes opt for 'financial core' method

By JOSEF ADALIAN, JOSEF ADALIAN, DAVE MCNARY

Several WGA scribes on sudsers have decided to cross the picket line to keep their jobs.

According to several people with knowledge of the situation, a high-ranking writer-producer on CBS's "The Young and the Restless" has informed the WGA that he plans to go "financial core" -- that is, give up full membership in the guild and withhold the dues spent on political activities in order to continue writing during the strike.

Another source with knowledge of the situation added that two other scribes on "Y&R" have also opted for financial core status, and one other is considering it. A writer on NBC's "Days of Our Lives" may also be considering crossing the picket line.

The WGA -- which recently formed a special committee to handle info about strikebreaking -- refused to comment Monday on whether any members have gone fi-core. "This is an internal matter that we choose not to discuss," guild spokesman Gregg Mitchell said.

Defections are still very much the exception to a strike that has, at least so far, generated widespread public displays of solidarity among scribes of all levels. There have been no reports of writers on primetime or latenight skeins picking up their pens, and a slew of top showrunners have continued to withhold producing services despite studio threats to hold them in breach of contract (Daily Variety, Nov. 7).

Daytime, however, is a very different beast.

Ratings for the daypart have been in decline for years, with several sudsers barely hanging on. NBC, for example, has made it clear that "Days of Our Lives" may not be renewed when its license agreement expires. There's been talk for years about CBS cutting one of its soaps, too.

That's one reason why networks have been scrambling to make sure their soaps stay in production. A long stretch of pre-emptions or repeats -- like the one that occurred during the O.J. Simpson trial -- could prove fatal.

Sudser producers have been saying for weeks that a strike wouldn't shut them down, but they've carefully avoided explaining just how they'd continue to operate sans scribes.

"ABC's daytime dramas are written well into the new year, and we will continue to produce original programming with no repeats and without interruption," the Alphabet said in a statement released last week.

During the 1988 walkout, network and studio execs -- along with non-WGA scribes -- were enlisted to keep the sudsers lathered up. There were also widespread reports of WGA scribes writing scripts at home and finding a way to get those scripts into producers' hands without physically crossing a picket line.

"You'd hear stories about scripts being dropped off behind a trash can or in an alley," one soap veteran said.

It's believed some scribes may once again risk the wrath of their union by working behind the scenes. One daytime insider said she's heard reports of scribes on Procter & Gamble and ABC-Disney-produced sudsers "working in the shadows."

What's surprising about the "Y&R" and "Days" scribes' moves is that the writers appear to be owning up to their decision to keep writing for the soaps rather than trying to hide their actions.

That said, the vast majority of soap scribes appear to be keeping their computers turned off.

In the case of "Y&R," production entities Sony Pictures Television and Bell Dramatic Serial Co. appear to have settled in for the long haul.

During a meeting last week, staffers on "Y&R" were all but told that the show would go on without exec producer-head writer Lynn Marie Latham. Latham ("Homefront") is known to be a strong WGA supporter, and producers have prepared for her absence by laying off her assistant, cleaning out her desk and assigning a Sony exec to work from her office, according to a person familiar with the situation.

As a hyphenate, Latham could still render showrunning services, but has opted not to do any work on "Y&R" during the strike.

"Bold and the Beautiful" showrunner Bradley Bell -- whose family owns the skein -- has also demonstrated allegiance to the WGA and the strike. He walked the picket line in front of CBS Television City on the first day of the stoppage.

Strike-breaking is a serious issue for the WGA, and its strike rules require members to report any activity in that realm. Discipline for violations can include expulsion, suspension, fines and censure; nonmembers who perform banned work during a strike will be barred from joining the WGA.

When the strike rules were issued a month ago, the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers responded with information on its Web site showing how to go fi-core and pointing out that WGA members who take that step can't be disciplined for working during a strike.

But, given the high stakes of the conflict, it's probable the WGA would move to publicly embarass members who take such a step. WGA West members received an email over the weekend from Dan Wilcox, chair of the newly formed WGA West Strike Rules Compliance Committee and a member of the WGA West's Board.

"The mission of the SRCC is to ensure that the Strike Rules are strictly enforced. The SRCC will primarily concentrate its efforts on unearthing and discouraging scab writing. There is no more fundamental working rule than the prohibition against a WGA member performing struck work."

Wilcox noted that the strike rule states: "You must inform the Guild of the name of any writer you have reason to believe is engaged in strike-breaking activity or other scab writing."

"If you have suspicions about a particular writer or project, the best way to report them will be to call our hotline," he added. "We'll handle your call discreetly. Our purpose is not to punish people; it is to head off scab work before it can undermine the strike."

Wilcox also said that leaders of WGA are eager to keep the strike short.

"Unfettered scab writing will only lengthen it," he added. "The simplest and most effective thing you can do to speed things up is to share information with the SRCC."
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103. "Management self-ether"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a37uqd5vTw&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-baitz/damning-evidence-in-their_b_72411.html

  

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104. "I'm gonna need this to be over."
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Having trucks not cross picket lines is not a good look for a dude like me who has to get large quantities of craft service and supplies across into the studio. Arnold, get on your shit and get these guys back to the table.

I'm definitely in support of these writers...but I need this to be done. Shit's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

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105. "if the writer strike>3 months, lost wont be back till jan 2009 (swipe)"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/opinion/11lindelof.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

sorry if this has already been posted.

  

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106. "Family Guy moving on with out Seth Voices"
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071114/tv_nm/family_dc_1

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Fox is producing fresh episodes of its animated comedy "Family Guy" without the participation of its striking creator Seth MacFarlane, who does many of the main voices, sources said.
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The last episode completed before the Writers Guild of America strike began November 5 aired Sunday. Fox and sibling studio 20th Century Fox TV had the choice of going into reruns or continuing the show without MacFarlane, whose outspoken defiance of his employers has made him a cause celebre for striking writers.

After a large writers rally outside the Fox lot on Friday, where he was one of the speakers, MacFarlane said the studio could proceed without him, though he hoped it would not.

20th TV had no comment on the matter Tuesday but confirmed that it remains in production on new episodes. The first episode finished without MacFarlane's blessing has been delivered to Fox. Sources said it is one of three very close to completion, with others in various stages of production.

In addition to executive-producing the show, MacFarlane voices the characters of Peter, Brian and Stewis Griffin, the male members of the hapless Rhode Island family at the core of the domestic satire.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

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107. "And that...will NOT get it done. (c) Stu Lantz"
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108. "LMAO! I hope it's voices that sound completely and totally different."
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109. "would be kinda funny for one ep and noted it in dialogue"
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but then you would need rewrites

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166. "knowing the turnaround time for a regular animated show"
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they've probably got enough voice tracks in the can with Seth to last quite a while.

What they won't have are the luxuries of last-minute re-dos and Seth's personal supervision of the editing/post processes.

  

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110. "They should use the guy South Park used when they ethered"
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Family Guy

Unless it was MacFarlane himself
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111. "HEEEY! HOOOO! WHOS GONNA WRITE YOUR TV SHOWS?"
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^^ that's the chant I heard outside CBS today.

Stop with the chants. Everybody knows why you're striking. It's just lame, IMO.

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112. "Goddamn, Ryan's mad as shit y'all."
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Every day he's upping with a new "This shit needs to stop" reply.

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117. "Ayo."
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I'm mad cause in the short term - this shit affects ME. Not as much as those in scripted TV (the below the line people like I listed in an earlier reply), but it certainly affects how efficiently I can do my job. Not only that, but the producers aren't even TRYING to settle this shit at this point - and there's mud all over their faces. What they're doing is wrong, and yes...it affects the writers negatively (and I'm not talking about the McFarlanes or Lindeloffs of the world - I'm talking about a dude who wrote 1 episode of Shark and has to live off those residuals until he gets his next gig) and it certainly has serious consequences for people like me (or at least my counterparts in scripted TV).

Bottom line: shit ain't cool. I want it to be over and I want the writers to get what they deserve. At the same time, I want them to stop looking so lame in the process.

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113. "The chants have been lame"
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I was going to make a crack that Macfarlane was on the picket line to steal jokes but they have been pretty bad. I mean, Bruce Villanch's sign was a Monica Lewinsky joke.

Still, the strike is legit, especially for TV writers. I just think the WGA hasn't handled it all that well.

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115. "I carried a sign for a bit yesterday"
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I had to run some work errands around town. Passing by Sony, I saw a friend on the line so I decided to stop. I grabbed a sign a picketed and chatted for a very short while, maybe 45 minutes, tops.

Trust me. Without the chanting, there would be writers blowing their brains out in front of studios. It is mind-numbingly boring, and without chatting with some friends and coming up with silly -- and yes, the writers know the chants are silly -- it would be near impossible to do picket for 4 hours a day, never mind 8 hours. Never mind every day. Never mind the next 3-6 months.

One observation that I've seen noted on other sites, but now I get first hand: The honking helps. It took me only a few minutes to realize that every little show of support from passersby gives a little boost of energy and morale. So, if you pass by strikers and you aren't against the whole strike thing, a simple beep of the horn is appreciated. You don't have to lay on the horn and go crazy. Just a honk, that's all.

Because that's pretty much it, the honking and the lame chants. Other than that, all they have to think about is money and careers going down the drain.

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118. "I'm on repeat: our chants are the livest in town"
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But because we're on some proprietary shit, and on the Internet to boot, the only way you'll read them here is if you pay up...

It's not a game, people.
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114. "Not The Daily Show (video)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzRHlpEmr0w&e

  

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116. "that would be hilarious if it weren't so sad."
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Still, it's pretty damn funny.

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119. "you can definitely see where the brains of the operation are"
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120. "If given the opp and u werent in the Guild..Would u cross the Line??"
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To write or do other things??

What if you were offered to fill in on one of the late night shows..would u do it??

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121. "problem is..."
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in most of the shows effected, the actors/hosts are part of the quild and WONT cross. the essentially the shows wont go on without them.

its not just the writers.

  

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122. "No."
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Besides pissing off your peers and killing your chances at future employment, I would want a deal that included a lot of what writers were asking for.

The only possible way that I would even consider it is if the studio offered up a legit offer, which they wouldn't do for regular writers so I can't imagine they'd do it for a scab.

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123. "This strike is pissin' me off now; BSG suspends production"
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They betta not mess ups season 4. LOL!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i9eeb82f00f69cdfddd1c9924be6636fb


Strike shutters 'Bionic,' 'Battlestar' up north

By Etan Vlessing
Nov 16, 2007


"Bionic Woman"

TORONTO -- The impact of the U.S. writers strike has reached Hollywood North.

NBC's Vancouver-shot TV series "Bionic Woman" shut down Nov. 9, local publicist Bill Vigars said Thursday, well ahead of its scheduled Dec. 12 close.

And local media reports indicate that the fourth season of Sci Fi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica," which was set to shoot through mid-March, will wrap Friday because it, too, has burned through available scripts.

Executives at the New York-based Sci Fi Channel in New York were not available for comment.

Ken Ferguson, president of Toronto Film Studios, said he knows of one U.S. project that had considered Toronto for location shooting, only to pull back because producers were uncertain whether the script was entirely complete, and would have had no writer on set to make changes if shooting had gone ahead.

Ferguson added that any current lull in Hollywood North also was due to the impact of a strong Canadian dollar on foreign location shooting budgets.

"It's more about the dollar, especially with the spike it took a while back. U.S. producers are asking what would happen if there was another spike," he said.

The loonie hit CAN$1.10 in value compared with the greenback last week before retreating to a CAN$1.04 range this week. The sudden rise in the value of the loonie follows two decades in which U.S. producers enjoyed huge cost savings when they shot here on the strength of a once-strong greenback.



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124. "Negotiations is ON!"
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LOS ANGELES - Hollywood film and TV writers who've been on a nearly two-week strike against studios will return to contract negotiations on Nov. 26, their union and producers said Friday.


In a joint statement, the Writers Guild of America and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers said both sides had agreed to return to formal negotiations.

The statement said no other details would be released.

Meanwhile, the writers, who went on strike Nov. 5, would continue on the picket line, said Gregg Mitchell, a spokesman for the guild.

Some writers applauded the return to talks.

"That's fabulous, that's great," said Sean Jablonski, a writer for the FX drama "Nip/Tuck." "You can't get a deal until two sides sit down and talk about it," Jablonski said.

"It's a good message to hear around the holidays," he said.

John Aboud, a TV writer and a strike captain, said he hoped a return to talks would quickly lead to a contract.

"I'm delighted to see they're starting to move forward and I hope we can wrap this thing up soon," Aboud said.

It's unclear what pushed both sides back to the table. The strike has been bruising and very public, with writers being joined by actors on picket lines and producers taking out full-page newspaper ads to tell their side of the story.

Since the strike began Nov. 5, late night talk shows and several sitcoms have gone to reruns. Other shows are counting down the number of episodes they have left before running out of scripts.

Industry analysts had thought there would be enough scripts to produce shows well into January. But many shows have gone off the air at a faster pace than expected, as cast members and show runners have refused to cross picket lines.

Compensation for shows offered on the Internet is at the heart of the dispute.

The producers have said it's offering writers a share of licensing fees paid by Web sites to stream shows. The union has rejected the offer, saying the payments wouldn't begin until six weeks after a show goes online and viewer interest is nearly exhausted.

Writers also want a cut of revenue from non-skippable ads contained in many shows streamed free online. The alliance slammed the door on that demand.

The last writers walkout in 1988 lasted 22 weeks and cost the industry $500 million. The entertainment industry contributes an estimated $30 billion a year to the Los Angeles economy, or about $80 million a day.

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125. "Back Cover of Variety"
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http://www.triggerstreet.com/gyrobase/MoBlog?oid=pid3039

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128. "From GD: NBC Fires Most of 'SNL' Staff"
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My response: This is by far the best thing that has come out of this strike.

P.S. EDIT: The above was a joke, referring to how shitty SNL has become. I'm aware that it's not the writers that were fired. It was a simple gut-reaction one-liner that folks in GD responded very seriously about. Don't take it as such.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312073,00.html

In its first dramatic move since the beginning of the Writers Guild strike, NBC has fired "nearly the entire production staff" of its struggling, late-night staple, "Saturday Night Live," the New York Post reported on Saturday.

"'SNL' laid off all their staff until further notice. Their production staff, even long-term employees, were let go," a source told the Post. Another source confirmed that "90 percent of the 'SNL' staff was fired."

Click here for more from the New York Post.

And while The Washington Post reported yesterday that NBC might lay staff off at Jay Leno's "Tonight" show, "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" and "Last Call With Carson Daly" - all of which immediately went into rerun mode on Nov. 5 - those staffers would at least get paid for two more weeks. But an insider told the Post that "SNL" staffers got no severance.

Although no official announcement had been made as of last night about firings at any of NBC's late-night shows, multiple sources confirmed to the Post that "SNL" staffers learned of their axing yesterday morning. Reps for NBC declined comment.

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129. "Maybe Lorne will pull a Dave Letterman/Seth MacFarlane"
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and pay his staff until the end of the year?

The old Lorne would have
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130. "yeah, but the old lorne had funny shows."
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Not a diss, just an observation.

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131. "I blame Dattebayo for this"
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Well not completely because I want an episode 36 of Shippudden thursday night at 11:30 but still.

If they didn't give the writers 14.5 percent of the profits they generate these writers wouldn't do this or might not have. I'm so thankful this is linmited to America otherwise I'd lose it if I couldn't watch an hour and half of fansubbed fresh anime a week.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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132. "why don't the just write their own shows?"
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wouldn't that be a more productive strike?

  

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133. "this whole thing was funny until my meeting in LA got cancelled"
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134. "Damn son."
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136. "What was the meeting for? Film? TV?"
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137. "both"
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146. "Sorry to hear that dude."
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135. "Really Carson? you? like why?"
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btw Tina Fey must be bored, she was on Iron Chef this weekend

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138. "my sis told me about this last night..."
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*shakes head...

  

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139. "Yeah, just heard about this"
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What does this get him in the long run?
At least Ellen had that anti-strike clause in her conract.

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142. "in his defense he said he wants to protect his workers"
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from getting laid off.

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144. "I understand why he did it."
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It's a month until Christmas and his entire crew will get laid off if he doesn't come back. Daly has no interest in the WGA strike so he probably thinks making sure the rest of his crew get their checks is as (if not more) important than making sure his writers get paid more. (And honestly, how many of these issues affect Carson? Is his show ever re-aired? Is anyone buying a last call DVD? Who goes to the internet to catch that episode they might have somehow missed?)

Of course, I'm not sure who he's going to be able to get as guests. Should be interesting to see who he is able to wrangle.

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145. "here's your answer"
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http://www.nbc.com/Last_Call_with_Carson_Daly/

Yeah, everybody understands why he did it. But his show is no different than any other network show.

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147. "The worry is that it sets a precedent"
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There's a possibility studios will start holding that fact over the writer's union. "You're keeping families from being fed!" That's my main concern over Carson's decision.
That being said, I've never really been checking for his show anyhow, but it is a worry.
Let's hope they can get this thing settled soon.

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148. "People knew this going in though"
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Everyone knew that they were putting jobs at risk when the strike began. Carson going back isn't a huge deal IMO. It's like when a number of soap opera writers crossed the line. It doesn't help but it certainly isn't going to kill the morale of the striking writers.

Right now, there's a united front. The writers are striking and the actors need them to get a good deal so that their negotiations can go more smoothly. The WGA won't really have a real problem until writers from prime time shows/movies cross the line or SAG strikes a deal with AMPTE.

The problem isn't Carson Daly going back, it's the fact that there is no movement in the talks. The longer this goes, the worse for the WGA.

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149. "Well, maybe Carson was just saving his own job"
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According to Nikki Finke at Deadlinehollywooddaily.com

"And while I'm on the topic of NBC's late night hosts, I'm told that Carson Daly was probably going to lose his show if he didn't return to work."

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140. "Got-damnit, it never ends"
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141. "As soon as the screen said Edie Falco, I saw that end coming."
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Late night shows might be the thing I miss least.

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143. "Yeah, a lot of these late show webisodes haven't helped"
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Seeing as most of them are about on par with the average Funny or Die/You Tube short.

And those "Speechless" bits have been pretty lame as well (at least the ones that I saw).

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150. "LOL at the latest AMPTE offer"
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The story is here: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/toldja/

Nikki Finke loves her "Toldja!" headlines but good lord was she off when she acted like this was a legit offer and something that might possibly help end the strike.
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I've said for a while now that the WGA should be happy to get a one time residual payment for the internet shows (rather than per dollar revenue sharing) and the AMPTE had the same idea. Of course, it wasn't the EXACT same idea as I had.

"For streaming television episodes, the companies proposed a residual structure of a single fixed payment of less than $250 for a year's reuse of an hour-long program (compared to over $20,000 payable for a network rerun). For theatrical product they are offering no residuals whatsoever for streaming."

250 dollars? That has to be a misprint or else it's basically a big fuck you to the WGA. Who could think that was a reasonable offer?

Oh and writers might not even make that money because: "In their new proposal, they made absolutely no move on the download formula (which they propose to pay at the DVD rate), and continue to assert that they can deem any reuse "promotional," and pay no residual (even if they replay the entire film or TV episode and even if they make money)."

So basically, the only people who would be getting that $250 are writers on shows that were shitcanned and demoted to only airing on the internet. Once a show airs on TV, they can just call the re-airing "promotional" and pay nada.

The studios are out to break the WGA. You really can't look at this "negotiation" and think anything different.

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151. "Toldja indeed. nm"
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152. "Finke = FRAUD! Finke is a RAT! Take THAT, Not-So-Darling-Nikki!!*"
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Actually, no

You take the good with the bad with her

And it's also wise to wait until the day's over before assuming she's done with a story

Like when she giddily posted about the AMPTP offer, then came back several hours later with Verrone's not-so-giddy response to it

That's pretty much how she operates, and I (and a lot of others I know) have no problem with it

And look at it this way, at least we haven't had to deal with any fawning OMG THE GREAT JOHNNY DEPP AS SWEENEY TODD BETTER WIN THE BEST ACTOR OSCAR OR I'M GONNA FIREBOMB DREAMWORKS/WARNER BROS. posts

Yet





*in the interest of unbiasedness I will note that I have no financial, emotional, or otherwise stake in Nikki Finke's website, but I do enjoy reading (like, 75% of) her shit
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153. "LOL."
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Way to take one line and completely overreact to it.

You're acting like I'm saying that Nikki Finke has no credit and should be ignored. I just think she fell for the moguls line this time and had been hyping this new deal (and even hinting earlier in the week that it could be what ends the strike) when it was a complete joke.

In fact, the Verrone letter that she reported actually admonished her a little bit: "Our inability to communicate with our members has left a vacuum of information that has been filled with rumors, both well intentioned and deceptive."

If you are going to post a title like "Toldja!", you have to take the L when you screw up. I'm not saying she's terrible, she just got duped on this one.

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154. "No, actually, I just wanted to make fun of her name"
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Since she won't post any of my comments on her blog
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155. "Gotcha. And on a related note..."
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how do you pronounce her last name, I always say Finky but I think that's because it reminds me of Micky Ficky.

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156. "I just say Fink, with the e being silent"
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157. "I just can't imagine anything relating to her being silent"
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*rim shot*

*joke dies like Nikki says Clooney's films do*

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189. "She just nixed one of my comments. BOO"
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I was saying how the reality writers issue is a joke. Everyone knows that it is basically off the table already. I also said that as a reality writer, I don't want the WGA's help. The one show they organized was Top Model, the story producers all got shit-canned and the show went on without them. Now other shows are starting to be made without "writers".

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158. "This shit it outta control...it's now affected"
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Grey's Anatomy...I'm sad.

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165. "Best thing to come of the strike imo."
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168. "true dat"
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185. "BOOOOO!!!!"
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159. "The Ninja weighs in"
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http://www.askaninja.com/writersstrike

This is up there with his Dead Man's Chest review.

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160. "Negotiations start next week supposedly"
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161. "Shocked Leno staffers Fired and feel mislead"
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A couple of days after the Writers Guild of America strike began November 5, the star of "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno" told some 80 of his idled staffers that they need not worry about their finances.

Leno was so adamant about paychecks being safe, many didn't bother looking for new jobs even though NBC was forecasting layoffs.

So it came as quite a shock Friday when the entire staff was told that they were not only out of a job but also that they weren't guaranteed of being rehired once "The Tonight Show" returns.

"Some people were crying. Some people were screaming," said one employee speaking on condition of anonymity.

NBC declined comment on the firings beyond a brief statement that it had "regretfully informed the people who work on 'The Tonight Show With Jay Leno' and 'Late Night With Conan O'Brien' that their services are not needed at this time due to our inability to continue production of the shows."

According to several staffers, tensions at "Tonight Show" have been mounting for weeks, and matters weren't helped by news that other late-night hosts have been preserving the jobs of their nonwriting staffs or paying those who had been laid off. O'Brien confirmed Thursday, for example, that he would pay the salaries of at least 50 nonwriting "Late Night" staffers out of his own pocket on a week-to-week basis.

Some "Tonight Show" insiders are angry at Leno, because of an upbeat conference call he held shortly after the WGA strike began.

"He was on speaker phone," a staffer said. "There were 80 of us. He told us not to panic. He said to trust him. He said: 'I can't get into details, but nobody will miss a car payment or lose their house. We're family. Trust me. I'm going to take care of this.' But that was the time we should have been looking for new jobs."

More recently, a letter NBC sent to now-laid-off staffers said, "If your services are needed, we will contact you."

"That's standard boilerplate," said Joe Medeiros, a striking writer who has worked with Leno for 18 years. "It's corporate butt-covering."

According to insiders, the early confidence that Leno expressed stemmed from several options in the works, including the hiring of guest hosts. Leno himself guest-hosted for "The Tonight Show With Johnny Carson" during the 1988 writers strike, according to the WGA. This time around, comedian Wanda Sykes was a top pick, but she turned down the offer. Using rock stars on a rotating basis also was considered, insiders said.

Another option was having Leno do a show without a monologue or writers, relying heavily on musical acts and stand-up comedians.

None of the options, though, came to fruition, and "The Tonight Show" has continued airing reruns.

Beyond Leno's misplaced optimism about the financial well-being of his staff, he further damaged himself -- in the eyes of some workers -- with his public behavior. While he privately expressed concern for the jobs of all staff members, to the media he seemed preoccupied with supporting striking writers, including handing out doughnuts to picketers and mugging for press photos.

"He even joked that because of the writers strike, he had more time to work on his car collection," a staffer said. "That didn't sit well with us."

Medeiros said that Leno made his doughnut appearance on Day One of the strike at his request. "I asked him to come out and he did. We thought it sent a message to end the strike."

Asked if writers would object to Leno working without them during the strike in order to save jobs, Medeiros said: "I can't answer that. The story to me is that the corporations are doing this in order to pit groups against each other and break the strike."

The fact that some of Leno's writers are paid $500,000 or more annually also didn't sit well with suddenly out-of-work production staffers who make a fraction of that amount. Writers also are getting residuals on "Tonight Show" reruns that air during the strike.

The final indignation was a Christmas bonus that many thought lacking. Staffers with a couple of years on the job were given $200. Some higher-paid employees were awarded three days of salary or a bit more, about the same bonuses they got last year.

The Leno representative defended the bonuses as well, pointing out that they amounted to $500,000 in aggregate out of Leno's pocket. He also noted that Leno handed out $2 million five years ago to staffers in celebration of his 10th year as host.

"Jay is a very generous man," added Medeiros. "I don't know what people expected. How much more should he give over a situation that he didn't cause?"

But, said one staffer: "When the most powerful man in TV tells you to relax, then you relax. That's why we expected the bonuses to cover us through the strike. He could've at least covered us through Christmas. That would have been nice."

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162. "remember those polls about writers winning the PR battle?"
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Corporations couldn't give a fuck.

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163. "And they know that the PR will shift once reruns start airing nonstop"
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People aren't going to care who is right or wrong, they'll just want the writers back at work so they can make their money.

And this is really over when/if SAG strikes a deal. You know this solidarity will be out the window and actors (especially in film) will be telling their writers to work out their own personal deals with the studio and get back to work.

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167. "Leno attempts to save face."
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http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/leno-will-pay-non-writing-staff/

December 3, 2007, 11:08 am
Leno Will Pay Non-Writing Staff

By Brian Stelter

Days after being laid off by NBC, the non-writing staff of the “Tonight Show with Jay Leno” will be paid directly by Mr. Leno, the network confirmed on Sunday.

According to today’s New York Times: “An NBC spokeswoman, Rebecca Marks, confirmed last night that Mr. Leno had contacted his executive producer, Debbie Vickers, and asked her to tell the staff that he intended to pay their salaries this week.”

Whether the staff members will be paid beyond this week is unclear. Meanwhile, Mr. Leno’s late-night colleague, Carson Daly, returns to television tonight with the first new episode of “Last Call” since the writers’ strike commenced four weeks ago.

  

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169. "Sorry, Internet"
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YouTubers are staging a fake strike in support of the WGA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqx8CsBEyk




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170. "RE: The STRIKE is ON!"
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Maybe this will make people appreciate a writer's purpose.

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171. "i hope those hipsters stay on strike"
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so i can get big brother 9 next month

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172. "Hipster is fast becoming the most miused word in PTP"
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nm

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181. "^^^Never been in a writer's room^^^"
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Writers are the least hip mofos in this town.

  

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182. "^^^ SEES IT"
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>Writers are the least hip mofos in this town.

Although today's Negro Rally-- er, I mean, "WGA Diversity Day" at Paramount had a lot of hip hepcats

Mainly actors though
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173. "Talks are breaking down..."
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http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/talks-day-8-toldja-amptp-quits-talks-issues-statement-filled-with-lies/

Man, it's gonna be a LONG winter.

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174. "ARE breaking down? Them shits are done. HOLLYWOOD IS DEAD YO"
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like hip hop
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175. "I gotta question for you"
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You don't have to answer regarding yourself personally or at all really. But are writers still writing? On their own time working on their current projects or new projects in anticipation of the strike ending. Ya know, so they'll have scripts in hand for whenever production starts up again. I was just wondering if when they strike do they cease ALL work whether or not they're turning it in or not.

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176. "Writers, self included, are still writing. We just can't sell anything."
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177. "But they aren't supposed to be working on current projects"
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Technically, any deal that was made before the strike should be sitting on the shelf. Of course that isn't happening and I think it's one thing that AMPTE is counting on. If AMPTE works out a deal with SAG, I could see a lot of film writers striking their own deals and heading back to work.

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178. "I was referring to personal specs"
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Obviously writers who are employed on current shows can't write episodes of those shows

And writers who have been hired to write feature scripts can't do so either
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179. "Yeah, I was just adding that for Nipsey"
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that all of those writers that struck film deals right before the strike aren't supposed to be writing. But as one agent said, they are "thinking" about the projects.

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186. "BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN!!!!"
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180. "*senses onsets of withdrawals*"
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184. "*senses an addiction to plurals (or perhaps just the letter S)*"
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183. "NO MORE BOBBY TAYLOR!! NO MORE BOBBY TAYLOR!!"
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187. "So how does the strike effect the oscars?"
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I was thinking about this. If the strike lasts up to and/or through the oscars, does that mean the oscar ceremony will be canceled? I mean, who's gonna write the jokes? That would be a major publicity move against the studios imo, that it couldn't be settled in time for H'wood's biggest night.
So what exactly would happen?

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188. "Striking writers interrupt 'Carson Daly' tapings"
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This happened a few days ago, but I haven't seen anything on it here, so...

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/carson-dalys-taping-disrupted-by-writers/

Carson Daly's Taping Disrupted by Writers

This cames to me from some Hollywood sources Tuesday but I didn't get time to post it until now: On Tuesday night, a group of striking writers (including some well known names, including one Oscar-nominated screenwriter and one creator of a TV cult series) infiltrated and interrupted a taping of NBC's Last Call With Carson Daly. This may well have been the first time the show wasn't boring if it had aired.Carson, of course, was the controversial first of the late night network hosts to return to the airwaves during the WGA labor action because NBC threatened to cancel his show. (Talent-free Daly is not a member of the WGA unlike the other hosts.) During an interview with former NFL great Jerry Rice, a WGA member incognito in the audience heckled Daly, claiming he “needed a writer” to ask better questions. Production assistants and NBC security swooped down on the scribe and escorted him from the building. The writer didn't resist. nbc02.jpgA clearly disconcerted Daly asked whether Rice would be willing to start the interview over again, which he was. After reintroducing Rice to the audience, who repeated their cheers, Daly was horrified when another incognito writer stood up and loudly declared: “I feel so bad for the striking writers! Can I please leave?” The scribe also pointed out Daly’s use of cue cards and asked who was writing the show now. NBC security, still expelling the first troublemaker, instantly scrambled back into the studio, then hurriedly ejected three more WGA members from the audience. Daly, now visibly rattled, had no impromptu comment to offer the perplexed audience. Rice was also upset because he was perplexed, audibly asking: “What’s going on?” A tense Daly responded with a nod, saying darkly: “I know what this is about.” After that, someone associated with the production took the stage to declare, “Anyone else interrupting the show will be prosecuted” and urged “any other striking writers” in the crowd to “leave now.” Over 20 people -- though some sources say just 5 -- scattered throughout the stands dutifully shuffled out. The audience gasped. Daly paled. Ironically, one member of this departing group had been given a prize moments earlier for being “such a great audience member.” The award was a gift certificate to El Pollo Loco. Moments later, a traumatized Daly asked Rice whether he’d “mind starting the interview again.” For the 3rd time.

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190. "Leno and Conan coming back"
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NBC sources tell me that the network will announce on Monday that Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien will be returning by January 7th. Presumably, ABC's Jimmy Kimmel won't be far behind. "A major announcement will be made by more than one network on Monday," an insider noted. "Bear in mind that all the late night show writers have given their tacit support to the shows returning, given the livelihood of the non-WGA staffers."

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191. "But not with the same deal Dave might have."
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This warms my heart.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/late-night-breakthroughs-and-breaches/

Sources tell me the Writers Guild Of America is intending to grant David Letterman's independent production company Worldwide Pants an "interim agreement" that allows the Late Show host and his writers to return to the airwaves during the strike because it doesn't involve CBS. This comes after Letterman's long-time executive producer Rob Burnett, who's also president/CEO of Dave's production company Worldwide Pants, has repeatedly tried to secure a WGA waiver for The Late Show. (See below for details of the bills Letterman has been paying since his show went off the air.)

This trumps NBC's announcement coming Monday that Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien will be returning by January 7th. Presumably, ABC's Jimmy Kimmel won't be far behind. "A major announcement will be made by more than one network on Monday," an insider noted. But Jay and Conan, who are just hired hands and not show owners like Dave, won't have their writers to rely on when they come back on the air. And Dave will. The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson, also owned by WP, would return with writers.

Here's the statement from Rob Burnett:

“Worldwide Pants has always been a writer-friendly company. Dave has been a member of the WGA for more than 30 years, and I have been a member for more than 20. Because we are an independent production company, we are able to pursue an interim agreement with the Guild without involving CBS in that pursuit. Therefore, since the beginning of the strike, we have expressed our willingness to sign an interim agreement with the Guild consistent with its positions in this dispute. We're happy that the Guild has now adopted an approach that might make this possible. It is our strong desire to be back on the air with our writers and we hope that will happen as soon as possible.”

This clearly is part of the WGA's new "divide and conquer" strategy (see my previous, WGA Starting Monday Will Say To Moguls: "Let's Make An Individual Deal". Though it's worked with Letterman, it'll be a much tougher sell with the Hollywood moguls.

2ND UPDATE: That's why Letterman's network CBS felt the need today to disassociate itself from his pending WGA deal today, obviously worried that Les Moonves' AMPTP colleagues will be miffed. CBS issued this statement this afternoon:

Regarding David Letterman's company, Worldwide Pants, seeking an interim agreement with the WGA: We respect the intent of Worldwide Pants to serve the interests of its independent production company and its employees by seeking this interim agreement with the WGA. However, this development should not confuse the fact that CBS remains unified with the AMPTP, and committed to working with the member companies to reach a fair and reasonable agreement with the WGA that positions everyone in our industry for success in a rapidly changing marketplace."

At present, the other late night hosts -- Jay, Conan, and Jimmy (paid the least of all and csaid to be close to bankruptcy) are paying for staff to one degree or another out of their own pockets, presumably. But Letterman isn't just doling out $300,000 a week in salary for the non-writing staff of two shows, his and The Late Late Show starring Craig Ferguson which Worldwide Pants also owns. Dave also pays for the rent of the Ed Sullivan Theatre Building in NYC and insurance for 200+ workers, I'm told. "So, triple that figure and you'll be close to what he's been shelling out a week for six weeks," a source says. "I'm tired of everyone being lumped together for taking roughly the same out-of-pocket hit. It's not close."

I've learned that Worldwide Pants approached the Writers Guild early before the strike and tried to get a waiver and stay on the air. The company's argument was that it's a small production company that supports the WGA And that whatever deal the guild negotiated, Worldwide pants would adhere to. At first, I'm told, the guild thought making side deals might weaken its bargaining position. But now that the labor action is dragging on seven weeks without an end in sight, the guild has rethought its position in an attempt to induce individual studios and networks to cut separate deals with the WGA.

UPDATE: I've been trying to reach Letterman head writers Justin and Eric Stangel (they're brothers and share that title) for comment. But Late Show staff writer and strike captain Bill Scheft (photo right) just told me he knew nothing about Letterman's attempt to obtain the WGA waiver. "I got the update letter today from the WGA about separate deals and then thought, 'If we were smart, we'd be first on that line,' he said. "They should give Dave the waiver just for singlehandedly keeping six shows off the air for two months and choking off a revenue stream the networks had counted on."

I asked Scheft how he feels knowing there's even a possibility he could return to work in a matter of days, not months. "Nikki, you have no idea. Very emotional just to think about it. Every single day on the picket line, every day, people from the staff come and visit us. My goal is always to get through the visit without sobbing. A goal not always reached."

In an earlier email exchange, Scheft told me, the WGA "can thank Dave for the other guys staying off and paying their staffs, in my opinion. You have to wonder if they can wield more influence as on-camera advocates for the cause. As I have said since the beginning, Dave Letterman on the air without writers, pissed off he has no writers, railing nightly against network weasels and haircuts, is the greatest ally writers can have. And he will reach a much wider audience about the strike than we have been able to so far."

  

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192. "Dave Letterman is my fucking hero."
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It'd be something if he could get on the air sooner, with writers, than Leno can without. Maybe some of those Leno viewers would turn over to Dave and see what they've been missing.

  

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193. "that would be great if he could beat leno to the punch"
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leno's date is jan 2nd now btw, not 7th

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194. "Dave is great for this"
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Cause you know he could give 2 shits about les and cbs. I think its great that before the strike he agreed to honor any provisions the wga came up with...also that he's been paying his staff out his pocket since this all went down. I can't wait for him to be back on the air.

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196. "Okayplayer hates the WGA!"
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Fuckin' NBC.com banner ad.

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199. "bout to say, we hate y'all back. lol."
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197. "Finke: Attempt Fails To Restart WGA-AMPTP Talks; Outlook Very Grim"
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http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/exclusive-attempt-fails-to-restart-wga-amptp-talks-outlook-very-grim/

EXCLUSIVE: Attempt Fails To Restart WGA-AMPTP Talks; Outlook Very Grim

Here is what is clear to me based on new reporting about the entrenched positions of both sides: hopes for any kind of settlement have dimmed. I have learned that last week Jeffrey Katzenberg secretly tried and failed to work out a compromise that would have brought both the WGA and the AMPTP back to the bargaining table. It was an effort that was laudable. But the fact that it was unsuccessful dramatically points up disturbing realities, I have learned: that the CEOs are deeply entrenched in their desire to punish the WGA for daring to defy them by striking and to bully the writers into submission on every issue, and that the writers are sadly misguided to believe they have any leverage left. I'm told the moguls are determined to write off not just the rest of this TV season (including the Back 9 of scripted series), but also pilot season and the 2008/2009 schedule as well. Indeed, network orders for reality TV shows are pouring into the agencies right now. I'm sorry to break this disappointing news right before Christmas, but the truth hurts.

The WGA-AMPTP post-strike talks fell apart December 7th when the mogul reps issued an ultimatum, containing six issues which the WGA needed to take off the table for any talks to continue, then ended all negotiations. Katzenberg as both a moderate and a bit media player (as head of small DreamWorks Animation) has been marginalized by the Big Media moguls during these negotiations. Nevertheless, he singlehandedly made an effort, with the full knowledge of the other CEOs, to get the talks restarted. "Ultimately, what he was trying to do was to bring both sides back before the DGA started negotiating," a source told me.

So Katzenberg organized three give-and-take sessions between himself and 30 to 40 TV showrunners, or about 100 in all. He told them, "If your WGA leaders don't make a deal with us before the DGA, my concern is you'll never make a deal with us. The guild will break down and key people like yourselves will go Fi-Core. It'll be 1988 all over again almost to the week and month. It's my belief that it's not in anyone's interest, in fact it would be bad for the Industry as a whole, for the guild to get divided. And that's what's going to happen."

Then Katzenberg went to Barry Meyer, the Warner Bros chairman/CEO considered a hardliner among the moguls, and told him that the showrunners were ready to go to their leadership and tell them to focus only on New Media issues if the talks re-started. But the moguls needed to go back into negotiations without any conditions so that ultimatum had to be taken off the table. "Jeffrey told Barry, 'I'm confident we will get a deal done if you go back in the room with the WGA now,'" an insider confided.

But Meyer, obviously speaking for the rest of the CEOs, refused.

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198. "Letterman back Wednesday WITH writers!"
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http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/arts/entertainment-screenwriters-strike.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

December 28, 2007
Striking Writers Union Reaches Deal With Letterman
By REUTERS

Filed at 8:26 p.m. ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Late-night TV comedian David Letterman has reached a deal with the union representing striking screenwriters that will let his show return to the air next week with his writing staff, the union said on Friday.

The Writers Guild of America hailed the accord with Letterman's production company, WorldWide Pants Inc., as a sign of the union's readiness to negotiate a deal with major film and TV studios to settle Hollywood's worst labor crisis in 20 years.

For now, the most certain outcome of Letterman's deal is it paves the way for his "Late Show," and "The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson," also owned by WorldWide Pants, to resume CBS broadcasts of fresh episodes with their writing staffs intact starting on Wednesday.

It also could give Letterman a decisive advantage in the late-night ratings war over his chief rival, Jay Leno, host of NBC's "The Tonight Show," who has long commanded a bigger audience and plans to return the same day without writers.

Letterman's executive producer, Rob Burnett, said real estate tycoon Donald Trump was booked as one of the show's first new guests.

NBC's "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" and ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" also resume production next week without writers. Like Letterman, they belong to the WGA, but their shows are owned by larger media companies at odds with the union, so they are unable to negotiate separate deals.

The strike by 10,500 WGA members, now in its eighth week, has thrown the U.S. television industry into disarray, postponed production on several major motion pictures and is threatening to spoil Hollywood's annual awards season.

The latest round of contract talks broke down on December 7 when the studios, represented by the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, demanded the writers drop several of their demands, and union negotiators refused.

The union has since said it would pursue separate talks with smaller, independent production companies.

'NOT A SOLUTION TO THE STRIKE'

"WorldWide Pants has accepted the very same proposals that the guild was prepared to present to the media conglomerates when they walked out of negotiations," the WGA said in a statement.

The main sticking point in the talks with the major studios has been the question of how writers should be paid for work distributed over the Internet, and the WGA said its agreement with Letterman addressed those issues.

No details of the pact were disclosed. It was unclear whether the deal with WorldWide Pants, one of just 340 AMPTP member companies, would help break the union's deadlock with the larger studios.

Letterman, who has kept his show off the air and in reruns since November 5 in support of striking writers, said in a statement he was "happy to be going back to work, and particularly pleased to be doing it with our writers."

"This is not a solution to the strike, which unfortunately continues to disrupt the lives the thousands. But I hope it will be seen as a step in the right direction," he added.

The agreement between the WGA and Letterman came as doubts grew that one of Hollywood's premier awards show, the Golden Globes, would go on as usual due to plans by striking writers to picket the event.

A source close to the awards show said the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which presents the Globes, was considering canceling the live TV broadcast of the January 13 event so the ceremony could proceed without WGA protests.

One WGA executive, Jeff Hermanson, said the union was organizing a "massive presence" of its members outside the Golden Globe awards, and "we expect to have some of the nominees and award winners on our picket line."

A Screen Actors Guild spokeswoman said its informal canvass of Globe nominees found "the majority of them are indicating that they will not cross picket lines."

The WGA has said it even plans to picket Hollywood's biggest night of all, the Oscars on February 24, unless the strike is settled by then.

NBC is controlled by General Electric Co, ABC is a unit of Walt Disney Co and CBS is owned by CBS Corp.

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200. "Is the end of the WGA near?"
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From Nikki Finke: I'm told there's a secret meeting of some top screenwriters -- the really, really succesful ones -- coming up this weekend and their intention is to band together and make a powerful coalition that will force the WGA leadership to accept whatever deal the DGA makes with the AMPTP. I'll report more when I get more on this big development. Everything is very hush-hush. Stay tuned...
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This is what many people saw coming. The film writers aren't interested in striking for issues that, most of which, affect tv writers. The DGA are often seen as pushovers but they rarely fight that hard in these negotiations because the terms are the minimums for contracts and major directors (and even most mid-level ones) strike their own deals so the minimums aren't that important.

It should be interesting to see if the leadership can rein in the screenwriters.

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201. "The Late Show Top 10, Writer's Edition (swipe)"
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from the L.A. Times:

>The "Late Show" Top 10 Demands of the Striking Writers (as seen on the show Wednesday night):

10. From "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," Tim Carvell: "Complimentary tote bag with next insulting contract offer."

9. From "The Colbert Report," Laura Krafft: "No rollbacks in health benefits, so I can treat the hypothermia I caught on the picket lines."

8. Daytime television writer, Melissa Salmons: "Full salary and benefits for my imaginary writing partner, Lester."

7. From "Law & Order: Criminal Intent," Warren Leight: "Members of the AMPTP must explain what the hell AMPTP stands for."

6. From "The Colbert Report," Jay Katsir: "No disciplinary action taken against any writer caught having inappropriate relationship with a copier."

5. From "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart," Steve Bodow: "I’d like a date with a woman."

4. Writer and director, Nora Ephron: "Hazard pay for breaking up fights on ‘The View.’"

3. From "Law & Order," Gina Johnfrido: "I’m no accountant, but instead of us getting 4 cents for a $20 DVD, how about we get $20 for a 4-cent DVD?"

2. From "Late Night with Conan O’Brien," Chris Albers: "I don’t have a joke – I just want to remind everyone that we’re on strike, so none of us are responsible for this lame list."

1. Thurber Award-winning author, Alan Zwiebel: "Producers must immediately remove their heads from their asses."
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202. "Leno is going to get more ratings tonight than he did before the strike"
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because millions of people will tune in just to see how the show is going to be without writers and him improving or what is he going to say about the situation.

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203. "Leno sucks WITH writers"
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I can only imagine how bad he will be without the writers.

  

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204. "article: Late Night Talk Hosts Forced to Cross Picket Lines"
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(swiped from facebook)

Late Night Talk Hosts Forced to Cross Picket Lines
By Josh Karpoff

Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Conan O'Brien and the rest of the hosts will all be returning to air in January, even though the Writers Guild of America remains out on strike. The hosts, many of them themselves members of the WGA have been ordered by their networks to resume production after the holidays.

The Writer's Guild of America bylaws allow show runners (writers who also serve as producers) and hosts who are also WGA members to continue working, as long as they don't do any writing for anyone other than themselves. You're allowed to write for your own monologues, but not for any dialogue used by others, so don't expect any correspondents appearing anytime soon. Both Colbert and Stewart are WGA members and have both been on the picket lines, but as hosts they're held to a different contract than the writing staff. The show runners are also allowed to manage work on existing scripts and supervise production of those scripts. Failure to do so could result in their being fired, as they have separate contracts than the writers.

Ron D. Moore, creator and head writer of "Battlestar Galactica" on the WGA picket line.

Most "hyphens" as the Writer-Producers are called, have been walking the picket lines, such as those on "Lost", "Family Guy", "Futurama", "30 Rock" and "Battlestar Galactica", but were also still doing work on this season's episodes that had completed scripts. On the "Battlestar Galactica" forums run by the Sci-Fi channel, Terry, the wife of Creator-Writer-Executive Producer, Ron Moore, has been discussing her husband's ethical quandary with the whole situation. Terry, is herself a member of the Wardrobe Union. Moore, who has been outspoken of his pro-union beliefs, including a season 3 episode of BSG which is one of the few recent pro-union depictions of a strike, has been both on the picket lines and finishing up the episodes that were already written. Terry has said that Ron wants this final season of the show to be the best possible and that finishing the already written episodes without the ability to re-write them is hurting the quality. "Battlestar Galactica" is aired on the Sci-Fi Channel, which is owned by NBC Universal. Sci-Fi has been making current episodes of BSG available for download from the website, something that the writers get no residuals from. The network claims that these episodes are for "promotional use" even though they carry advertising. On some shows, the internet availability is replacing the second broadcast airing of episodes, which cuts into writer's pay, as the second airing carries a higher percentage than syndicated episodes later on.

One of the main reasons all the hosts are being leveraged into crossing the picket line is guilt over the laying off of the non-writing staff. This situation is not so much the writer's fault, but rather the fault of the studios for being a bunch of assholes (in being the ones not negotiating, outrageous demands and the ones who actually laid-off the non-writing staffs).

Blame can also be laid at the feet of Thomas Short, the International President of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (I.A.T.S.E. He's also the same guy who tried to undercut the striking Broadway stagehands by trying to circumvent the elected leadership of Local One, their local). Short is a labor-management partnership type bureaucrat, who is proud of never having participated in a strike. He comes from the Cleveland local of IATSE (cause when I think of the heart of entertainment technology, I think Cleveland, OH, right?). He came out recently with a statement against the striking writers which followed the rhetoric of the studio bosses about the selfishness of the writers. However, several stagehands locals have pledged their support for the WGA's strike, including IATSE Local One, which represents the stagehands at all of the New York City based late night talk shows.

If the late night talk show hosts cross the picket line it will be a very divisive issue on the picket line and could be a factor in crushing the strike. The other unions' contracts, except the Teamsters, prevent them from carrying out solidarity strikes. With the current state of American labor, it is unlikely that the leadership of those unions will call "wildcat" strikes or ask their membership to not cross the picket lines when work resumes in January. This is going to be a massive blow to the WGA and could hurt the solidarity between the entertainment unions when the other contracts come up for renewal in the next year and a half.

Instead of being angry with the hosts, we should focus our anger on the real villains here, the studios. It is their greed that drove the writers to strike and the studio's greed that is prolonging this situation.

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205. "Writers are really coming off like little girls now"
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"One of the main reasons all the hosts are being leveraged into crossing the picket line is guilt over the laying off of the non-writing staff. This situation is not so much the writer's fault, but rather the fault of the studios for being a bunch of assholes (in being the ones not negotiating, outrageous demands and the ones who actually laid-off the non-writing staffs)."

Let's see. The writers go on strike so the studios are just going to keep paying the non-writing staff even though they aren't going to be doing anything? That's called business, not being a bunch of assholes. Did anyone think that the non-writing staff wouldn't be laid off? This guilt was something that everyone was aware of before the strike ever happened.

Also, after an earlier explanation that hosts are on different contracts and could be fired, the guy writes: "If the late night talk show hosts cross the picket line it will be a very divisive issue on the picket line and could be a factor in crushing the strike."

Again, did nobody see this coming? Did they think that the studios wouldn't threaten to fire or sue show-runners and hosts who violated their contracts? This is how strikes work. The studios aren't even playing unfairly yet. They are basically doing what always is done.

This kind of thinking just shows that writers are not ready for this type of war. They are fighting studios that aren't even studios anymore; they are parts of huge corporations. Before, NBC couldn't wait out a strike because that was their main business. Now GE can just look at it as losses from their television department and hope to make up the gains in the home electronics wing.

And the whole issue with Leno and his monologue is just another pointless battle for the WGA. If the DGA comes to an agreement and SAG starts negotiating, it's over. The writers never had any leverage and they are losing what little footing they had by the day. Verrone needs to make a deal while he still can.

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206. "I'ma BOOP this cause I don't feel like taking the bait and arguing"
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All I know is one side is at the negotiating table, and one side isn't
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207. "That's because the little girls have nothing else to offer"
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They are sitting there saying, "Hey we want to negotiate! We're here! Let's go!" while the business men just laugh at them, pat them on the head, and prepare for the DGA and SAG negotiations.

The bottom line is that the the Guild HAS to sit at the table because they have no other cards to play.

And the asterisk says it all. The WGA still hasn't figured it out. Adding reality back in was a joke. It was like saying there's room to negotiate on pink elephants. The studios have little reason to go back to the table.

Verrone and company played this poorly and things are starting to work out just like many people (specifically Terry Rossio) predicted. Once the SAG negotiations start up, Verrone won't need to find a way to get a good deal; he's going to need to figure out how to save the WGA from collapsing.

EDIT: And it's not about taking bait, it's about people finally realizing that this is a game of leverage and the writers never had much and now have next to none. If the DGA can make a deal (which they will because most directors don't give two shits about the minimums, which is what this is all about), the end will be near.

The only thing the WGA really has going for it is "fairness" and I don't know if the "That's not fair!" argument has ever won a single debate, especially in a business meeting.

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208. " golden globes canceled due to writers strike"
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Writers' strike kills off Golden Globes ceremony
By Catherine Elsworth in Los Angeles

This year's Golden Globes ceremony has been canceled after actors vowed to boycott the event in support of striking Hollywood writers.

Hollywood screenwriters on strike - Golden Globes off as stars back writers' strike
Several television series and film productions have been affected by the strike which started last November

The awards organisers said the traditional televised dinner and presentation would be replaced by a press conference.

The fate of the Globes - due to be held in Beverly Hills next Sunday - had been in the balance since striking writers confirmed plans to picket the awards show last week.

Last week, the Screen Actors Guild announced that its members would not cross picket lines set up by writers, who are in a royalties dispute with film and television producers.

The actors' decision immediately called into question plans for the Globes, which are usually televised live by NBC, one of the companies subject to strike action by the Writers Guild of America.
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The Los Angeles Times reported that the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which organises the Globes, had reached a compromise deal that would allow winners to receive their awards informally. The victors will be announced at a televised press conference broadcast by NBC News instead of the usual awards ceremony.

Hollywood screenwriters walked out on Nov 5 after the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers failed to agree terms for a new contract that expired in October.

Negotiations have foundered over the writers' demands for an increased share of profits from internet and new media sales.

The two-month strike forced the suspension of numerous television series and postponement of work on several Hollywood films. It has also cast a shadow over plans for next month's 80th Academy Awards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/08/wglobes208.xml

  

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209. "Studios cancel writers contracts"
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_en_tv/hollywood_labor

LOS ANGELES - Four major studios have canceled dozens of writers' contracts in a possible concession that the current television season cannot be saved, the Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday.

The move means the 2-month old writers strike may also endanger next season's new shows, the Times said.

January is usually the beginning of pilot season, when networks order new scripted shows. But the strike leaves networks without a pool of comedy and drama scripts from which to choose.

20th Century Fox Television, CBS Paramount Network Television, NBC Universal and Warner Bros. Television told the Times they have terminated development and production agreements.

Studios typically pay $500,000 to $2 million a year per writer for them and their staffs to develop new show concepts.

"I didn't see it coming," Barbara Hall, a writer and producer whose credits include former CBS series "Joan of Arcadia" and "Judging Amy," told the Times, which said ABC executives gave her the news Friday. "I am not entirely sure what their strategy is, all I know was that I was a casualty of it."

The newspaper said more than 65 deals with writers have been eliminated since Friday.

  

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210. "Stevie Wonder saw this coming."
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>"I didn't see it coming," Barbara Hall, a writer and producer
>whose credits include former CBS series "Joan of Arcadia" and
>"Judging Amy," told the Times, which said ABC executives gave
>her the news Friday. "I am not entirely sure what their
>strategy is, all I know was that I was a casualty of it."

Only way to not know this was coming is to have your head buried in the sand. Or up your ass.

Not that Nikki Finke is the be-all-end-all, but she was reporting -- constantly -- on this possibility in November.

To wit, from November 17:

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/gulp-force-majeure-letters-in-the-mail/

"But regarding the striking writers, most of the showrunners and hyphenates who've walked off the job have been threatened with or actually suspended without pay for not fulfilling their producing duties. But the threats still hangs out there that the studios and networks could escalate matters by firing them. The conventional wisdom is that the studios and networks are purposely waiting for sufficient weeks to pass so that they can, in a first step to a major reorganization of their TV business, kill showrunner/hyphenate deals by invoking force majeure (a common contract clause that essentially frees both parties from liability or obligation when an extraordinary event, such as a strike, occurs). From that point on, all bets are off."


There's lots of blame to go around for everything else, but anyone caught off guard by this has no one to blame but themselves.

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211. "As expected, the DGA quickly strikes a deal"
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Some interesting movement but it was expected. Most directors negotiate their own deal.

14 day "promotional" usage on the web (although the residual rate is only 3% of residual (which is just $600). Residuals up to .7 and .6 percent respectively on EST.

http://dga.org/negotiations/index.php

DGA and AMPTP Reach Tentative Agreement on Terms of New Contract (January 17, 2008)
DGA Gains Solid Wage Increases with No Rollbacks Plus Precedent-Setting Jurisdiction Over New-Media and a Doubling of EST Residuals Rate

LOS ANGELES – The Directors Guild of America (DGA) announced today that it has concluded a tentative agreement on the terms of a new 3-year collective bargaining agreement with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP).

Highlights of the new agreement include:

* Increases both wages and residual bases for each year of the contract.

* Establishes DGA jurisdiction over programs produced for distribution on the Internet.

* Establishes new residuals formula for paid Internet downloads (electronic sell-through) that essentially doubles the rate currently paid by employers.

* Establishes residual rates for ad-supported streaming and use of clips on the Internet.


“Two words describe this agreement - groundbreaking and substantial,” said Gil Cates, chair of the DGA's Negotiations Committee, in announcing the terms of the new agreement. “The gains in this contract for directors and their teams are extraordinary – and there are no rollbacks of any kind.”

Formal negotiations between the DGA’s 50-member Negotiations Committee and the AMPTP began Saturday, January 12, and were concluded today. Talks were led by Cates and DGA National Executive Director Jay D. Roth. They were preceded by months of informal discussions and nearly two years of preparation and research by Guild staff and consultants.

“This was a very difficult negotiation that required real give and take on both sides,” said DGA president Michael Apted. “Nonetheless, we managed to produce an agreement that enshrines the two fundamental principles we regard as absolutely crucial to any employment and compensation agreement in this digital age: First, jurisdiction is essential. Without secure jurisdiction over new-media production—both derivative and original—compensation formulas are meaningless. Second, the Internet is not free. We must receive fair compensation for the use and reuse of our work on the Internet, whether it was originally created for other media platforms or expressly for online distribution.”

The agreement includes the following gains in New Media:

* Jurisdiction: The new agreement ensures that programming produced for the Internet (both original and derivative) will be directed by DGA members and their teams. The only exceptions are low-budget original shows on which production costs are less than $15,000 per minute, $300,000 per program, or $500,000 per series—whichever is lowest.

* Electronic Sell-Through: EST is the paid download of features and TV programming. The agreement more than doubles the EST residual for television and increases the feature film residual by 80% over the rate currently paid by the employers.



Specifically, the EST residual rates will be .70% for television downloads and .65% for film downloads, above a certain number of units downloaded. Below that, residuals will be based on formula employers currently pay.

Payments for EST will be based on distributor’s gross, which is the amount received by the entity responsible for distributing the film or television program on the Internet. Having distributor’s gross as the residuals basis was a key point in our negotiations.

The companies are now contractually obligated to give us unfettered access to their deals and data. This access is new and unprecedented and creates a transparency that has never existed before. Additionally, if the exhibitor or retailer is part of the producer’s corporate family, we have improved provisions for challenging any suspect transactions.

* Ad-Supported Streaming: After an initial 17-day window for free promotional streaming of Internet programs, companies must pay 3% of the residual base (approximately $600 for network prime time 1-hour drama) for 26 weeks of streaming. They can continue to stream for an additional 26-week period by paying an additional 3% -- or a total of $1,200 for one year’s worth of streaming. (During a program's first season, the 17-day window is expanded to 24 days to help build audience.)

* Sunset Provision: Allows both sides to revisit new media when agreement expires.



“Our fundamental goal in these negotiations was to protect our interests in the present while laying the groundwork for a future whose outlines are not yet clear,” said Cates. “We knew that gaining jurisdiction over new-media production and winning fair compensation for the reuse of our work on the Internet were the key issues for setting a framework for the future, but we also had to secure real gains for our members in today’s world.”

The new tentative agreement includes the following:

* Annual wage increases of 3% for primetime dramatic shows and daytime serials and 3.5% for all other covered programming.

* Outsized increase in director’s compensation on high-budget basic cable for series in the second and subsequent seasons.

* Annual residual increases of 3% for primetime shows and 3.5% for all other covered programming.

* Specific advances that pertain to members of the director’s team.

PLEASE SEE FACT SHEET FOR MORE DETAILS

Details of the new agreement will be submitted to the Guild's National Board for approval at its regularly scheduled meeting on Saturday, January 26, 2008. The DGA’s current contracts expire on June 30, 2008.

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212. "I don't understand the side deals."
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Why make side deals for certain shows (like the Grammys)?

Doesn't that weaken the effect of the strike?

  

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213. "there are two things at play"
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>Why make side deals for certain shows (like the Grammys)?
>
>Doesn't that weaken the effect of the strike?

In a very broad sense, here's an answer. I'm not an expect, I'm not in the guild. But this is it in a nutshell.

There are waivers and interim agreements.

Waivers are given on a one-time basis for shows for a variety of reasons but basically because the cause or reason for the show is something that the writers guild doesn't want to harm. For example, there was a waiver granted for some charity program that Elizabeth Taylor was behind. That way stars and supporters don't have to worry about crossing a picket line and the writers don't have to worry about hurting some worthy cause. The reason a waiver would not be granted is because the writers see the show as being a legitimate casualty of the strike. All televised shows benefit one or more of the companies they are striking against. So they have to have a good exception to be allowed to go on with working writers and no pickets.

The interim agreements came about as a tactic to exploit perceived cracks in the AMPTP. Not all companies are as hardline as the major studios, and the deals the writers struck with these include all the points that the writers wanted. The idea is, in part, to cast the main studios as unreasonable bad guys. Get enough of them to break ranks and it might put pressure on the larger group to make a similar deal. Whenever the strike is over, the terms of that final agreement would supercede the interim agreements.

Waivers are a standard part strike operations. The interim agreement thing, well, there's a lot of disagreement over whether this is a good idea. The jury is out, and a lot of how this is perceived will be through hindsight after the final deal is done. But I can tell you right now that the spin -- justly or not -- is going to be that the DGA got the great deal they got because of the groundwork the WGA put in. If the writers' ultimate deal gets anywhere near the positive reaction the DGA deal has been getting, then most people will say that WGA did most things right.

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215. "This picking and choosing is really lame."
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Shows like the Best Week Ever, The Soup, even entertainment news shows. They have writers but no one is up in arms about it, seems like this is discrediting the entire strike.


The Daily Show
Colbert Report
late night shows
all reality shows

its really ridiculous.

  

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216. "A lot of those shows either aren't using writers or aren't WGA"
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Reality "writers" aren't part of the WGA so we aren't striking. Entertainment news shows aren't under the WGA jurisdiction either and I'm not sure about The Soup or Best Week Ever.

As for Daily Show and Colbert, they supposedly aren't using writers. Did they ever get a pass? I don't remember it. The late night shows (besides Late Show and Late Late Show) aren't supposed to be using writers either.


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217. "RE: A lot of those shows either aren't using writers or aren't WGA"
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You sound like you are associated w/ the strike, I have a question for you. Dont't you think that it is suspect that World Wide Pants gets such a pass, they like give everyone else a "shame on you". The show airs on CBS and CBS has not done anything to resolve the strike, I know that WWP has made a deal but it still bothers me. Looks like they bought a get out of jail free card.

  

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218. "I'm the opposite of connected to the strike. I work in reality TV"
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so the WGA doesn't affect me except that I can't even hope to break into scripted right now.

Letterman owns worldwide pants and agreed to give his writers a better deal. That's why he is on and the other shows (owned by the networks) aren't. The WGA has been making a lot of side deals. The thinking is divide and conquer but I'm not sure whether it will amount to much.

Hopefully the strike will be over soon so all of this will be moot.

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219. "WGA members -- here's your chance to get exploited by Taco Bell!"
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Taco Bell folks call this helping. I call it exploitation. What do you call it?

And, a year's supply of Taco Bell - valued at $260? I could eat that in a month.

http://www.tacobell.com/saucyscribe/

Taco Bell® Offers Striking Writers a Spicy Creative Outlet
Taco Bell’s Border Sauce Packets Invite Words of Wisdom from Writers Guild of America Members


IRVINE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Taco Bell announced today it is offering its support to Hollywood’s out of work striking writers by offering them a chance to win free Taco Bell food by injecting fun and fresh bits of wisdom into the restaurant chain’s iconic Border Sauce packets. Members of the Writers Guild of America can win a year’s supply of Taco Bell, valued at $260. Up to 10 wisdoms will be selected and hundreds of millions will be printed and appear in Taco Bell restaurants this Fall.

Known for having a personality of their own, Taco Bell’s Mild, Hot and Fire Border Sauces come with a humorous look at reality through the eyes of the Taco Bell® brand. Some of the Border’s most famous proverbs include:

“The road to mediocrity is littered with empty ketchup packets.”
“Nice palm. I read a great deal of pleasure in your future.”
“Use your stomach, nacho mind.”
“If you throw this, would it be a flying saucer?”
“When I grow up, I want to be a waterbed.”
“The writer’s strike is now in its second month, and Taco Bell wanted to show its support for the thousands of creative minds itching to press pen to paper, or in our case, Border Sauce packets,” said David Ovens, Chief Marketing Officer, Taco Bell. “This offer is open to any card carrying member of the Writers Guild of America who wants to share their creativity with the millions of customers who come through our restaurant each day to enjoy a little spice on their favorite Taco Bell menu items.”

Interested writers should submit their “words of wisdom” to www.tacobell.com/saucyscribe. Proof of membership in the Writers Guild of America is required to participate. The deadline for submissions is Sunday, February 24, 2008. No purchase necessary to enter. Must be 18 or older to enter. Void where prohibited.

This promotion is solely sponsored by Taco Bell Corp. and has not been approved or endorsed by any other entity or organization.




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220. "Today's sign the strike needs to be resolved"
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Today at work we got a new coverage to cover 65 new episodes of "Hell Date" for season 2.

Can we get this thing resolved sometime?

  

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221. "So, the end may -- or may not -- be near (swipe)"
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L.A. Times:

>Contract outlined in Hollywood writers strike

If union leaders OK the proposal, the strike could be called off by week's end, salvaging the Oscars and fall TV.

By Richard Verrier
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

February 3, 2008

Hollywood's striking writers and major studios have reached the outlines of a new employment contract, resolving key sticking points over how much writers should be paid for work that is distributed over the Internet, people familiar with the negotiations said Saturday.

A final contract could be presented to the Writers Guild of America board as early as Friday, according to three people close to the talks who asked not to be identified because the negotiations are confidential.

The 3-month-old strike is expected to end once the board approves the contract.

The tentative deal came after two weeks of talks that culminated in a marathon bargaining session Friday that was attended by News Corp. President Peter Chernin, Walt Disney Chief Executive Robert A. Iger and Writers Guild of America negotiators David Young, Patrick M. Verrone and John F. Bowman.

Progress had been made in previous meetings on payment for work sold online, but Friday's session saw a breakthrough on the most contentious issue: compensation for the free streaming of films and TV programs over the Internet.

Representatives of the Writers Guild and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, which represents the studios, declined to comment, citing a media blackout.

Attorneys from the studios and the guild were meeting over the weekend to discuss contract language for the proposed agreement, which would need to be ratified by the union's 10,500 members. Even before a vote by members, the strike would probably be called off if board members strongly endorse the deal.

There are some issues that have yet to be resolved, including defining what qualifies as promotion on the Internet. The debate centers on the extent to which networks can run video clips and other materials on their websites to promote TV programs before paying writers.

Both the writers and the studios faced rising pressures to find a way to end Hollywood's costliest strike in two decades.

Concluding the strike would allow thousands of workers who lost their jobs when television production shut down to return to work. It would also allow the broadcast networks to salvage the upcoming fall season. Production of pilots is scheduled to begin this month.

An end to the strike would also ensure that Hollywood's most glamorous party, the Feb. 24 Academy Awards, would air on ABC as scheduled. Last month's Golden Globes were dramatically scaled back after writers and many actors refused to cross the picket line. The Oscars would likely have faced similar boycotts.

The writers began their strike Nov. 5 in a fight largely about securing their future as digital technology transforms the film and TV industry.

Writers fear being shortchanged as the studios rush to distribute their TV shows and movies on the Web, cellphones, video iPods and other devices. The payments they receive when their material is reused, known as residuals, help writers weather the feast-and-famine cycles of the business. Studios, confronted with rising marketing and production costs and flattening DVD revenue, have been reluctant to commit to the guild's new-media pay demands when the economics of the Internet and other digital technologies are uncertain.

The latest round of discussions began two weeks ago after directors quickly negotiated their own accord with studios.

In Hollywood, the first union to reach a contract often sets the template for the other talent unions in a process known as pattern bargaining.

The tentative writers' agreement is largely modeled on the directors' pact, which doubles residual payments for films and TV shows sold online, secures the union's jurisdiction over shows created for the Internet (above certain budgets) and establishes payments for shows that are streamed on advertising-supported websites.

A number of top screenwriters and TV writer-producers known as show runners had in recent weeks lobbied their leaders to use the Directors Guild deal as template for their own agreement, eager to put the town back to work.

The directors' deal, however, stirred a debate among striking writers. Many complained that the directors' contract offered meager residuals on shows that were streamed free on advertising-supported websites. Another criticism was that the directors' deal limited the union's jurisdiction over shows created for the Web at a time when online entertainment is burgeoning.

That complaint was echoed a few days ago by the Screen Actors Guild, whose leaders publicly disparaged the directors' contract.

On Friday, however, studios offered some key concessions to ease those concerns and keep the talks on track. Those included more favorable pay terms for streaming than those offered to directors. Studios also offered "separated rights" provisions for shows created for the Web, ensuring, for example, that writers would receive extra compensation and credit for online shows that spawn TV pilots, two people close to the talks said.

Writers made some important concessions of their own earlier when they dropped demands to unionize work on animated movies and reality TV shows -- both of which had been viewed as non-starters by the studios.

The agreement was negotiated on the studio side by Chernin and Iger, who had been designated by the heads of the other studios to negotiate on their behalf.

That stood in contrast to previous sessions with the writers in which top media executives weren't at the bargaining table and were led instead by Nick Counter, president of the producers association, and labor relations executives from the major studios.

Having done the heavy lifting, Chernin and Iger will now step back and rely on labor relations executives to formalize contract language this week.

Guild negotiators Young, Verrone and Bowman on Monday are expected to brief the union's 17-member negotiating committee and board of directors on the proposed contract.
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222. "Update: WGA board favors deal, with caution (swipe)"
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L.A. Times:

>STRIKE REPORT

Guild board favors deal, with caution

An affirmative vote could send writers back to work in a matter of days.

By Richard Verrier and Claudia Eller
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

February 5, 2008

The West Coast board of the Writers Guild of America has reacted favorably to the outlines of a pending agreement reached between guild negotiators and Hollywood studios. But the board is holding off on giving its blessing until it sees the exact language in the contract, according to people familiar with the situation.

The 19-member board was briefed Monday by union leaders on the major points in a tentative deal reached Friday.

If the board approves the contract, it is expected to end the strike immediately, these people said. A vote could be held this weekend.

Time is of the essence in getting the board to sign off on a deal with the upcoming television pilot season, and the Feb. 24 Academy Awards show, hanging in the balance.

While the negotiating committee, headed by John Bowman, is expected to recommend the pending contract, approval by the board is not necessarily a slam-dunk because it is composed of several hard-liners who may be tougher to win over.

Furthermore, any approval would come only after a formal accord is drawn up by lawyers on both sides.

Attorneys are putting in writing what guild negotiators and studio representatives verbally agreed to Friday when they bridged key differences over how much writers should earn for work distributed over the Internet.

The proposed agreement is modeled largely after a deal studios recently clinched with directors.

The deal includes a doubling of the residual rate for movies and TV shows sold online and secures the union's jurisdiction over content created specifically for the Web, above certain budget thresholds. It also establishes payments for shows streamed online that improve upon what directors were given in their new contract.

On Sunday, presidents of the guild's West and East Coast branches, Patric M. Verrone and Michael Winship, sent a joint letter to members cautioning them not to put down their picket signs just yet.

"We are still in talks and do not yet have a contract," they wrote. "Until we have reached an agreement with the AMPTP (Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers), it is essential that we continue to show our resolve, solidarity and strength."

Also on Sunday, veteran screenwriter Larry Gelbart, best known for the 1982 movie classic "Tootsie" and the long-running TV series "MASH," weighed in with a mass voice mail to members urging them to continue walking the picket lines.

"In all my decades as a member of the WGA, I've learned a few lessons about strikes and negotiations, the most important being that it's never over till it's over, no matter how much the lady singer might weigh," he said.

Meanwhile, the union's strike captains called on members to show up for pickets planned this week at various studios and media companies across Los Angeles and New York.

The latest round of talks came about after studios quickly reached a deal with directors.

However, the directors' contract sparked heated debate among members of the writers guild.

Last week, one of the guild's prominent board members, writer-director Phil Alden Robinson ("Field of Dreams") picked apart several aspects of the directors' pact.

"It's my strong conviction that if an unaltered DGA (Directors Guild of America) deal were put before our membership for a vote today, it would fail resoundingly," Robinson wrote in a blog on the United Hollywood website. "If they insist on trying to shove this deal down our throats without improvements, this strike will not end any time soon."

Reaction to Robinson's missive was mixed, with some members supporting his message and others privately blasting him for what they viewed as an inappropriate move for a board member at a crucial juncture in the writers talks.
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223. "Proposed deal specifics from Variety"
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>On the issue of Web streaming, the DGA pact calls for helmers to be paid a fixed residual for the first year that a program or movie is offered for streaming (after a 17- to 24-day window of free usage for promotional purposes). For the second year and beyond in which a program is made available for streaming, the fee in the DGA pact shifts to 2% of the distributor's gross.

The proposed deal for the WGA is the same as the DGA terms for the first two years of the WGA contract. But starting in the third year of the WGA contract, the formula would change to give writers 2% percentage of distributor's gross from the get-go after the promo window ends, rather than a fixed residual for the first year of streaming availability.

That adjustment to the DGA template went a long way in easing the concerns of the WGA leaders that they would wind up locked into a rigid formula on Web streaming, knowledgeable sources said. Granting scribes a percentage of distributor's gross in the first year of streaming was seen by WGA leaders as a good-faith compromise on the majors' part and would set an important precedent for future WGA contracts.
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224. "The STRIKE is OFF! (swipe)"
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This is from cnbc so don't body me if it's wrong

http://www.cnbc.com/id/23057002

Deal Has Been Reached to End Writers' Strike: Eisner
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"It's over," Eisner said. "They made the deal, they shook hands on the deal. It's going on Saturday to the writers in general."

Eisner, speaking live on CNBC's "Fast Money," seemed to hesitate initially about whether it was possible that the writers could still reject the agreement, but finally suggested the deal's acceptance was inevitable.

"A deal has been made, and they'll be back to work very soon," Eisner said, adding, "I know a deal's been made. I know it's over."

Eisner did not elaborate on terms of the agreement. He said he expects most of the media companies affected by the strike to have "small" write-downs as a result of the deal. Eisner said the deal was struck last Friday.

Fast Money:

* Exclusive: Writers' Strike Effectively Over

As a result of studio cutbacks, however, many of the writers who went on strike are unlikely to return to the same big-money contracts they'd had as individuals with the studios, Eisner said.
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225. "Not so fast... (swipe)"
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from Nikki Finke:

>WGA Confab Timetable For Next Few Days

Do not, repeat, do not, believe anyone who claims that the writers strike is over yet. Here is what informed sources are telling me as to the WGA's plans for the next few days...

The WGA leadership is hoping to finish tonight or early tomorrow drafting the language of the deal they've negotiated with the moguls. ("Our friends at the DGA didn't leave us language that could serve as a template. In fact, the DGA has no language beyond what was in their press release because they figured they had until June to work it out," an insider tells me.)

Then the WGA intends to email to members and/or post on the WGA.org website that language so the members will have an opportunity to digest it before Saturday's meetings.

On Saturday, the WGA West membership meets at the Shrine Auditorium and the WGA East convenes at the Crown Plaza Hotel in Times Square for a definitive informational confab with the leadership. (A guild phone bank has been making calls to members today urging them to attend.) The WGA governing bodies intend to "take the temperature" and "get a sense of the room" at this time. There'll be lots of open mike time "where people can say whatever they want," I'm told. Everyone anticipates these will be very long and very contentious meetings on both coasts.

On Sunday (not Monday, as some thought), the WGAW Board and the WGAE Council both meet and will have to vote to approve any tentative deal before it goes to a membership vote. So, the WGA's Negotiating Committee, WGAW Board and WGAE Council all must approve the contract before any decision on a strike can be made. Board members tell me that, since the WGA governing bodies were authorized by the membership to call the strike, then those bodies are authorized to call it off. As I've reported previously, the moguls have insisted that the WGAW and WGAE governing bodies call off the strike before the membership ever formally votes on the contract, apparently so the Academy Awards can be saved.

I'm told that one of the purposes of Saturday's informational meetings is for the governing boards to decide whether the membership will approve the contract or not. This, insiders say, will determine if the bigwigs call off the strike or not.

Once the governing bodies recommend the contract and call off the strike, then procedures will kick in to send out ballots to the membership on both coasts to vote on the contract.

Of course, some snafus may occur. For instance, I'm told that if no draft language is ready in time for Saturday, "it's a very different ballgame".
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i personally would like to see some heroes, entourage, nip/tuck, etc later this year.

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>i personally would like to see some heroes, entourage,
>nip/tuck, etc later this year.

Heroes? You're probably going to have to wait until next season. It takes too long for special effects and such to crank out new episodes. They don't just, you know, shoot them with digital cameras and edit the shits on Final Cut Pro.

Entourage? I believe they were shooting when the strike started, but I'm not entirely sure.

Nip/Tuck? The current season's over on February 19. I thought that they shot a 22-episode season, but according to this

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Wga-Strike-Favorite/800032698

They're going to shoot more episodes this summer...
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227. "Welp, we have a (tentative) deal. (swipe)"
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>WGA, studios reach tentative contract

'Continuing to strike now will not bring sufficient gains to outweigh the potential risks,' the union says. If the guild's board agrees, writers could go back to work Monday.

By Richard Verrier and Claudia Eller
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

10:04 AM PST, February 9, 2008

Writers Guild of America leaders and the major studios reached agreement early this morning on a proposed contract that will be presented to striking writers today in bicoastal membership meetings.

In a statement, guild leaders said the three-year deal made significant strides toward ensuring that writers get a fair cut of new media revenues.

"It is an agreement that protects a future in which the Internet becomes the primary means of both content creation and delivery," the guild said in an e-mail to it members. "We believe that continuing to strike now will not bring sufficient gains to outweigh the potential risks and that the time has come to accept this contract and settle the strike."

At the Shrine Auditorium near downtown Los Angeles and at the Crowne Plaza Hotel in Manhattan, guild negotiators were scheduled to brief thousands of rank-and-file writers on details of the tentative deal.

Their reaction could be pivotal in determining how soon the strike, now in its fourth month, will end.

Many writers and studio executives have been preparing for Hollywood's return to work on Monday. But that depends on the guild's board formally endorsing the contract at a meeting on Sunday morning.

The board also is expected to vote on whether to halt the walkout immediately, effectively sending thousands of writers and production workers back to work next week.

Although any contract must ultimately be ratified by guild members, the board has the authority to call off the strike at its discretion.

Taking such action, however, is not a given.

Hard-liners within the guild have contended that some aspects fall short. The writers agreement is largely modeled on a recent pact with directors that came under fire from some high-profile WGA members, including board member and writer-director Phil Alden Robinson.

Among other things, Robinson and others have been unhappy with a 17- to 24-day window that would allow studios to stream shows on advertising-supported websites without compensating writers.

But writers did get some sweeteners. Like directors, during the first two years of their contract, writers would receive a fixed residual payment of $1,200 a year for one-hour shows streamed online. In the third year of their contract, however, they would receive something directors do not: residuals equal to 2% of the revenue received by the program's distributor.

Writers were pushing for a variable rather than a fixed residual to assure they would share in any future growth in streaming revenue.

Writers also received something tailored specifically to their craft, so-called "separated-rights" provisions that provides additional pay and credit for Web programs that migrate to television or other formats.

The tentative agreement includes a doubling of the residual rate for movies and TV shows sold online and secures the union's jurisdiction over content created specifically for the Web, above certain budget thresholds. Like directors, writers also would receive a 3.5% increase in minimum pay rates for television and film scripts work.

Guild leaders, however, weren't ready to end the fight just yet.

Writers Guild of America, East, on Friday touted that it would stage its next "big picket" on Wednesday in front of Viacom Inc.'s headquarters in New York.

"The strike is still on," Sherry Goldman, a spokeswoman for the Writers Guild of America, East, said on Friday. "Should the strike eventually be lifted, we will cancel the picket."
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228. "Membership appears to dig the deal, now we get 48 hours to vote"
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I was at the meeting, and people seemed to be cool with the deal. But then again, I left before the Q & A really got underway, so there may have been rioting, but I didn't see it. My bad.

Anyway, the most important thing to take from this article is that, if everyone votes to end the strike, come Wednesday, everyone gets back to work. Well, those who were working before the strike, that is.

And as far as my opinion on the deal? It is what it is.


Swiped from Variety:

>WGA to hold 48-hour vote

Guild toppers relay system to members in L.A.
By CYNTHIA LITTLETON

WGA members will have the chance to vote on whether to end the strike under an expedited 48-hour voting process, WGA leaders told members during Saturday's night's meeting to detail the contract deal just reached with the majors.

That means scribes technically will not be back to work on Monday, as had been widely expected in recent days. However, numerous members attending the meeting - which drew about 3,000 to the Shrine Auditorium -- said many people will unofficially be prepping projects and scripts.

The WGA negotiating committee, the WGA West board of directors and the WGA East Council will meet Sunday to formally endorse the contract and set the launch of the 48-hour vote to lift the strike. The ruling bodies are also expected to approve official launching a member ratification vote that would take place over 10 days.

The news of the 48-hour vote to end the strike took many attending the meeting by surprise. Many had speculated that the WGA leaders would issue a back-to-work order Sunday in order to minimize further damage to the TV season and pilot season.

But WGA leaders apparently decided that going to the membership to end the strike would ease the potential problem of telling members to return to work before the new contract is ratified.

The Shrine powwow began about a half-hour after is skedded start time of 7 pm and lasted roughly two and a half hours. Dozens of members were still flowing in to the Shrine as late as 7:45 pm.

According to several attendees, enthusiasm was running very high in the room at the outset. WGA leaders Patric Verrone and David Young received standing ovations and signifigant applause in their opening remarks. Young has done most of the talking in the first hour, walking members through the contract deal points that were distributed on paper to members at the meeting, as well as by email earlier today.

"People are ready to go back tob work," said WGA member Jon Michaels. "When we started this the companies were talking about rollbacks on residuals, and now we have new media jurisdiction. It's not a perfect deal by any means. But there are a lot of people working in other (areas of the biz) who are suffering. We're not indifferent to that."

Michaels said he was personally disappointed about the guild dropping its push for reality and animation jurisdiction. He moves between scripted and unscripted shows and said working conditions in reality tv are getting worse and worse.

Although guild leaders issued a lengthy statement detailing the terms of the new contract reached this week with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, members said they were still reserving judgment until hearing the presentation from WGA toppers Patric Verrone, David Young and negotiating committee chief John Bowman. Some said they were encouraged by reports from the WGA's Gotham meeting earlier today that the contract was generally well-recieved by members who attended that afternoon meeting.

WGA West prexy Patric Verrone arrived at the venue about 6:25 with his son in tow. Verrone would not comment on any aspect of the meeting or on the generally optimistic reports out of the Gotham gathering.

"I love New York - it's my home town," is all Verrone would say as he walked into the auditorium.

As the start time of the meeting drew near, numerous members made their way out to Jefferson Boulevard to share their thoughts with the hive of reporters who buzzed around the sidewalk but were kept strictly at bay from the auditorium grounds by security.

"The strike was definitely worth it," said "Dirty Sexy Money" creator Craig Wright. "There's not a single gain that we made that we would have got if we hadn't been on strike. But it's time to end it. It's time to go backto work."

Wright quipped that in preparation for a celebratory meeting, he packed along a fair number of "Jell-O shots made with Bombay Sapphire gin."
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230. "And NOW, the strike is over. (swipe)"
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It's a decent deal, imo. Did we get everything that we wanted? No. I think this deal will benefit prime-time TV writers most of all, and shuts out folks in cable as well as film. And that internet window is a major pisser. Nonetheless, I think that ultimately, it was worth it. All of it.

And be clear, not everyone's happy. There are those who are claiming that they won't strike again, that they felt used in part because we didn't get everything we wanted. That's certainly understandable. But I'd rather have a deal with SOME gains rather than a deal that consists of nothing but rollbacks and ridiculous compromises.

And also be clear, our leadership wasn't perfect, but they mobilized EVERYONE in the Guild when people said it couldn't be done, and worked as hard as they could to get us a deal that was worth something.

So in the end, I say fuck all the noise and bullshit, we kicked ass, and the world took notice. And now, for some, it's back to work.

Thanks to all of yous who contributed to this thread, support or no.

From the Los Angeles Times:

>STRIKE REPORT

Hollywood writers strike ends

After 100 days, WGA members vote overwhelmingly to go back to work.

By Claudia Eller and Richard Verrier
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

9:04 PM PST, February 12, 2008

The strike is over.

Hollywood's costly 100-day walkout came to a widely welcomed end Tuesday after members of the Writers Guild of America voted overwhelmingly to go back to work.

More than 90% of the 3,775 writers who cast ballots in Los Angeles and New York voted to immediately end the work stoppage, capping the entertainment industry's most contentious labor dispute in recent history.

"Rather than being shut out of the future of content creation and delivery, writers will lead the way as TV migrates to the Internet and platforms for new media are developed," said Patric M. Verrone, president of the WGA, West.

On Feb. 25, writers are expected to ratify a new three-year contract that ensures them a stake in the revenue generated when their movies, television shows and other creative works are distributed on the Internet. Whether the benefits from the new contract will be enough to offset the income writers and others lost because of the strike is a matter of debate.

Steven Beer, an entertainment attorney at Greenberg Traurig, predicted that working writers may have fewer opportunities as studios use the strike as a means to cut programming budgets, greenlight fewer pilots, reduce fees and limit the number of production deals on their lots.

"Writers got hard-fought and well earned improvements but it could be tougher sledding for the rank and file in the future," he said.

Other experts believe the writers won a victory that transcends any financial gains.

"It was a defining moment," said economist Harley Shaiken, a professor at UC Berkeley who specializes in labor issues. "It showed that a very disparate group of individuals could act with real solidarity -- and that packed real economic power."

The walkout, which began Nov. 5, proved to be far more economically damaging than the studios had expected, shutting down more than 60 TV shows, hampering ratings and depriving the networks of tens of millions in advertising dollars.

Labor experts said the crippling effect of the strike helped writers achieve gains they might not have otherwise attained.

The new contract gives them residual payments for shows streamed over the Internet and secures the union's jurisdiction for programming created for the Web.

"They successfully faced down six multinational media conglomerates and established a beachhead on the Internet," said Jonathan Handel, former associate counsel for the Writers Guild of America, West and an attorney at TroyGould. "When you consider what they were initially offered and the enormous odds they faced, that's quite an achievement."

Handel noted that studios had originally balked at writers' demands for new media residuals, proposing a multiyear study instead.

Yet the new contract falls short of what writers were initially seeking.

"It's a good deal, but not a great one," said Handel, adding that both sides made key compromises.

For example, writers received guarantees that any guild member hired to create original shows for the Web would be covered under a union contract. But the tentative contract enables studios to hire nonunion writers to work on low-budget Internet shows, giving them the flexibility they sought to compete in the burgeoning world of Web entertainment.

The writers agreement was largely patterned after a recent deal studios made with directors. Writers, however, got some important improvements, especially in pay for shows that are streamed on advertising-supported websites.

Writers were unsuccessful, however, in their efforts to shorten the 17-to-24-day window that studios have to stream their shows for promotional purposes without paying residuals. Many writers complained that most viewers watched repeats online within days after a program was initially broadcast.

With the strike now over, economists are tallying up the cost to the industry and the Los Angeles region. Measuring the financial losses is inherently difficult and estimates vary widely.

Jack Kyser, chief economist for the Los Angeles Economic Development Corp., estimates the walkout cost the local economy more than $3 billion. Of that total, an estimated $772 million came from lost wages by writers and production workers, $981 million by various businesses that service the industry, including caterers to equipment rental houses, and $1.3 billion from the ripple effect of consumers not spending as much at retail shops, restaurants and car dealers.

Still, the total is relatively small considering that the L.A. economy generates $1.3 billion a day.

The entertainment industry employs about 250,000 in the Los Angeles region, including the thousands who are self-employed.
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231. "GET BACK TO WORK, YA BUM!"
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232. "Me to a dude from According to Jim in the elevator today..."
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"Hey."

"Hey."

"It's good to be back to work."

"I'm sure it is. 3 months, right?"

"3 and a half."

"Wow. Well, good luck."

*handshake*

I know I've been working 16 straight days and don't have a day off till Sunday and this has been the hardest job I've ever had...but at that moment I felt grateful for my job.

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233. "THAT SHOW HAS WRITERS?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!"
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Jokes.. .Glad everyone's back to work.

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234. "damn, guess they won't be picking up this emergency script then:"
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http://digitalmedialaw.blogspot.com/2008/02/writers-guilds-east-and-west-held.html

It also has a link to the actual deal summary. I think sticking it to cable is a mistake but, honestly, they probably could only make headway in one area and New Media for TV is probably the best one to tackle.

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"It's funny that in all the victory-lap articles about the strike, nobody bothers to mention what the results actually are.

If an hour-long program is repeated as a network broadcast, the writer receives a $20,000 residual payment, with diminishing yet still substantial payments each further showing. In the future, these repeats will be replaced with ad-supported online streaming and downloads, as is already the case with shows like Lost. The Guild had hoped to receive a small percentage of the ad revenue to make up for the loss of broadcast repeats.

Under the new contract, the network gets unlimited online use of the episode for 17-24 days with no payment for the writer whatsoever. They then get unlimited online use of the episode for an entire year for a flat fee of $1200. Then they get a second year of unlimited use for another $1200. By the third year, if the episode is still online and anybody is still watching, the writer is supposedly entitled to 2% of distributor's gross. This 2% is supposedly the big concession the studios made, except it's capped at $40,000 revenue, which means the writer's share peaks at $800. The Guild gets to look at the books and see how much the studio is making, but they're getting chump change anyway.

If you want to pretend that $1200 is an improvement over $20,000, you deserve a deal like that. Just as with home video, the WGA has settled for an awful payment framework that will most likely remain in place for decades.-- Will Weg"

  

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It certainly is nothing to cheer about. However, the one big thing to remember is that this deal goes away in three years.

They have always had three years on each contract. But the term to remember here is "pattern of negotiations." Basically, nothing changed in previous contracts because nothing changed in previous contracts. Now, there is some movement, albeit tiny. So next time there can be more movement. Plus, in three years we should all know if for sure if there is money to be made off these interwebs. And if so, there will be little chance that the studios can hide behind "promotional use" and cries of an untested media.

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238. "Getting the distributor's gross was the key"
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I've been harsh on the WGA and I think all of the patting on the back is more for show but the key was getting their foot in the door on New Media and getting the distributor's gross. They didn't "win" but they helped themselves for the future. In the past, the WGA consistently took deals that would fuck them five years down the line.

And honestly, if one thing came out of this strike it is that writers (especially in film) need to do a better job negotiating their own deals (ala directors). The Guild deals with minimums; they aren't going to be able to guarantee that established screenwriters start getting better residuals. That's up to the agents. Showrunners and writers who create shows need to look out for their guys.

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