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"The Official Watchmen Post."


  

          

Let's start a fresh discussion and get away from all the comments generated by the HW Reporter review and the graphic novel.

Midnight screenings tomorrow night and some of you have already seen it so share with us..just don't forget the spoiler alert.

NICE TRY KOWALSKI

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FIRST.
Mar 04th 2009
1
Roger Ebert 's Four Star Review (swipe)
Mar 04th 2009
2
Today @ work, I read like 5 reviews of Watchmen
Mar 04th 2009
4
the only reviewer i care about
Mar 04th 2009
5
Ebert understands, more than any other film reviewer...
Mar 05th 2009
11
^^Mrhood wouldn't talk Watchmen with this guy
Mar 05th 2009
16
seeing it on friday
Mar 04th 2009
3
i still can't see what im posting, am I a ghost?
Mar 04th 2009
6
seeing it Sat on IMAX.
Mar 05th 2009
7
Hopefully it's not as retarded as 300
Mar 05th 2009
8
test.
Mar 05th 2009
9
YES ITS WORKING AGAIN!!
Mar 05th 2009
10
Crudup was just on Fallon...
Mar 05th 2009
12
saw it on monday in IMAX, i enjoyed it a lot.
Mar 05th 2009
13
*munches noisily on sugar cubes, throws wrappers on floor of post*
Mar 05th 2009
14
*eats raw can of beans*
Mar 05th 2009
17
      *gulps raw egg in a cracked shell*
Mar 05th 2009
20
saw it a few weeks ago up in LA.....FABULOUS!!!
Mar 05th 2009
15
I mean, wow, almost 3 hours?
Mar 05th 2009
18
anything less would be horseshit
Mar 05th 2009
26
That's what she said.
Mar 05th 2009
27
Well-played n/m
Mar 07th 2009
110
Ok, since I read it, the time went by quickly while watching the movie
Mar 06th 2009
41
watchmen saturday morning cartoon
Mar 05th 2009
19
LMAO
Mar 05th 2009
21
rorschach with the dogs. lol.
Mar 06th 2009
44
I laffed
Mar 05th 2009
22
That was awesome.
Mar 05th 2009
24
waow. ninjas be having too much time on they hands. and i'm glad.
Mar 06th 2009
37
Wow.
Mar 06th 2009
46
If only I could get that kiss
Mar 06th 2009
49
that was fucked hahahaha.
Mar 06th 2009
70
all types of casms and awkwards in that joint
Mar 06th 2009
77
sweet
Mar 09th 2009
264
hold up -- Matthew Goode said to suck his dick? GANGSTA!!
Mar 05th 2009
23
wow
Mar 05th 2009
25
Wow. But, shit, I wouldn't blame him if he sucks as Ozy.
Mar 05th 2009
28
it was brilliant.
Mar 05th 2009
29
*Shits pants*
Mar 05th 2009
32
      *dead*
Mar 06th 2009
35
no one wants to see it at midnight with me. :(
Mar 05th 2009
30
you can go with longo and i
Mar 05th 2009
31
it was good, not great
Mar 05th 2009
33
*skims graphic novel before screening*
Mar 06th 2009
34
this one was necessary though...I think you woulda deleted it..
Mar 06th 2009
36
Frank Longo: A ticket buyer, A+++ initial meeting
Mar 06th 2009
38
sounds like the beginning of a wonderful bromance.
Mar 06th 2009
50
My thoughts (contains spoilers to those unfamiliar with the book):
Mar 06th 2009
39
this is true
Mar 06th 2009
45
Wait, there are actual IMAX-sized scenes?
Mar 06th 2009
48
I definitely think everything at the beginning is important.
Mar 06th 2009
51
      Here's the thing with the book
Mar 06th 2009
57
           I think the self-control of pace is such a fantastic point.
Mar 06th 2009
63
This is EXACTLY how I felt once the film ended
Mar 09th 2009
220
The "alternate ending" did not change the story really (n/m)
Mar 06th 2009
40
That shit was long
Mar 06th 2009
42
wow @ the NEW NEW new star trek trailer
Mar 06th 2009
43
I'm seriously geeked for that.
Mar 06th 2009
47
link?
Mar 06th 2009
69
Question for those who have seen it (possible mild spoiler)
Mar 06th 2009
52
You heard wrong.
Mar 06th 2009
54
      Thanks
Mar 06th 2009
55
      RE: Thanks
Mar 06th 2009
60
      Yeah, I'm irritated that it's Dan talking to Vedit and not Rorschach
Mar 06th 2009
58
It was an ambitious effort
Mar 06th 2009
53
You nailed it with Juse Law...buut..
Mar 06th 2009
56
RE: You nailed it with Juse Law...buut..
Mar 06th 2009
59
Pre-total batshit Tom Cruise.
Mar 06th 2009
67
      That's a real good call, n/m.
Mar 06th 2009
75
havent seen it yet, read the book
Mar 06th 2009
61
As a non-reader, the "35 minutes ago" line had huge impact for me.
Mar 06th 2009
62
Really? That's good then. I guess my perspective is so skewered.
Mar 06th 2009
64
Did i mean skewed?
Mar 06th 2009
65
      nope! hibachi!
Mar 06th 2009
68
           Ha! Skewed it is!
Mar 06th 2009
76
RE: As a non-reader, the "35 minutes ago" line had huge impact for me.
Mar 07th 2009
101
Totally agree
Mar 07th 2009
111
I've read the graphic novel and thought the 35 minutes ago line
Mar 07th 2009
132
This is awful
Mar 06th 2009
66
you haven't even seen it.
Mar 06th 2009
72
i was IN this movie when i posted...and it WAS BAD
Mar 06th 2009
78
your agenda-based posting is lame
Mar 06th 2009
74
and you mad they made a fucked up movie...GOOD!
Mar 06th 2009
79
      actually, i've debated with you about 1 movie ever, i think
Mar 06th 2009
82
           what? i liked the dark knight, dumbass
Mar 06th 2009
83
                RE: what? i liked the dark knight, dumbass
Mar 06th 2009
84
Oh so you're posting-from-the-movie-theater guy. That's awesome.
Mar 06th 2009
85
      yeah, i'm that guy. and it didn't change the movie one bit
Mar 08th 2009
168
wild boring
Mar 06th 2009
71
What was the last comic movie you saw that you liked?
Mar 06th 2009
73
      dark knight
Mar 07th 2009
114
Hitler's reaction to the ending (SPOILERS)
Mar 06th 2009
80
HILARIOUS!!!!
Mar 07th 2009
157
Brilliant!
Mar 07th 2009
159
*bangs head on keyboard* HA!!!
Mar 09th 2009
265
'It's like paying a hooker for housecleaning!'
Mar 14th 2009
333
and I'm off to see it...6:30 showing.
Mar 06th 2009
81
I wasnt prepared (Spoiler)
Mar 06th 2009
86
I give that review an 8
Mar 06th 2009
87
haha
Mar 06th 2009
88
Yo this is actually the best review I've read n/m
Mar 07th 2009
108
bwahahahaha
Mar 07th 2009
109
review gets a 9, avy gets a 82930482098342822. gotdamn.
Mar 07th 2009
113
^^^^ All other PTP reviews of this movie are shit compared to this one.
Mar 07th 2009
162
dude who play roshach completely owned the role..
Mar 06th 2009
89
you mean kelly leak?
Mar 07th 2009
99
      i waited for it^^^^^^^
Mar 08th 2009
177
just seent it in beirut...good watch, man.
Mar 06th 2009
90
I enjoyed this shit, with minor reservations.
Mar 06th 2009
91
Simply Put.. This is one of the best DC comic moves ever!
Mar 06th 2009
92
Just returned from it (some SPERLERZ)
Mar 06th 2009
93
read his review again
Mar 06th 2009
94
Exactly
Mar 07th 2009
96
Bingo
Mar 07th 2009
128
      Nope, not at all.
Mar 07th 2009
142
Some disagreements:
Mar 07th 2009
102
RE: Some disagreements:
Mar 07th 2009
126
i think it was intentional, but still was poorly done
Mar 07th 2009
119
i would have liked to see this too
Mar 07th 2009
130
THE ENDING WAS SUCH TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!
Mar 07th 2009
95
Hey man..you're not really photogenic...I'm sorry.
Mar 07th 2009
104
      Uh....Clark...Squid is a woman. Be careful.
Mar 07th 2009
117
i liked seein a book i loved made into film, but it was pretty boring...
Mar 07th 2009
97
lol what was boring? This isn't your typical comic book flick.
Mar 07th 2009
105
calm down fella....
Mar 07th 2009
143
actually, thanks now i have faith to finish the novel
Mar 10th 2009
296
Hrmm......my two cents on Watchmen....
Mar 07th 2009
98
the cartoony aspects of the film are what helped it translate
Mar 07th 2009
106
      I disagree.....
Mar 07th 2009
107
delivered the goods
Mar 07th 2009
100
i know a lot of those songs came from the comic
Mar 07th 2009
124
lmao at "not Jeff Buckley" version
Mar 15th 2009
342
$25 mil on Friday, looks to make around $60 mil this weekend.
Mar 07th 2009
103
i don't see this having legs
Mar 07th 2009
123
      agreed.
Mar 07th 2009
139
      It will probably drop pretty significantly week 2
Mar 07th 2009
141
           Well, it has ZERO competiton Week 2.
Mar 07th 2009
146
that was a hot mess.... extremely disappointing
Mar 07th 2009
112
you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie
Mar 07th 2009
116
basically.
Mar 07th 2009
120
      RE: basically.
Mar 07th 2009
122
           RE: basically.
Mar 08th 2009
171
                RE: basically.
Mar 08th 2009
174
Slate's Alternate Watchmen
Mar 07th 2009
115
http://i43.tinypic.com/119s50l.jpg
Mar 07th 2009
118
Numbers
Mar 07th 2009
134
LMFAO @ Sofia Coppola.
Mar 07th 2009
140
smh @ Rorschach as Tyler Perry's Madea
Mar 08th 2009
179
Don't read the comic before seeing the movie
Mar 07th 2009
121
This is key
Mar 07th 2009
131
      RE: This is key
Mar 07th 2009
135
total mixed bag
Mar 07th 2009
125
RE: total mixed bag
Mar 07th 2009
136
Should I read it first?
Mar 07th 2009
127
don't know if you should read it first, but definitely read it
Mar 07th 2009
129
I say see it first then read n/m
Mar 07th 2009
133
See the movie first
Mar 07th 2009
137
RE: See the movie first
Mar 07th 2009
138
Read it, then don't see the movie.
Mar 08th 2009
204
^ correct
Mar 09th 2009
215
definitely read it first.
Mar 11th 2009
303
liked it, plus thoughts (spoilers)...
Mar 07th 2009
144
makes me want to read the book.
Mar 07th 2009
145
Answers unless you wanna read the OGN and get the answers yourself
Mar 07th 2009
147
RE: makes me want to read the book.
Mar 07th 2009
148
the songs were too "popular?"
Mar 08th 2009
175
      they were playing some of the most popular songs of all time
Mar 08th 2009
178
      No shit.
Mar 09th 2009
267
RE: makes me want to read the book.
Mar 07th 2009
149
Andrian and Egypt
Mar 08th 2009
180
      Aha!
Mar 08th 2009
189
      no he didn't.
Mar 11th 2009
302
it was pretty wack and I'm glad I didn't read the book
Mar 07th 2009
150
^^^ has hate in his heart..and bad taste.
Mar 07th 2009
155
you should read the book...shit, my MOM likes the book
Mar 08th 2009
182
      nah, I'm pretty sure I'd think the book was wack too
Mar 08th 2009
186
           maybe its because a lot of shit has bit from this in the last 20 yrs.
Mar 08th 2009
190
                and I'm willing to consider that possibility
Mar 08th 2009
194
                but listen to emcees from the 80's, or beats. some shit still rock, no
Mar 09th 2009
245
                     and I can see that, but I can't get by it
Mar 09th 2009
247
                          ok, well its clear you've made up your mind
Mar 09th 2009
249
                               I'm not "missing out"
Mar 09th 2009
252
                                    keep telling yourself that
Mar 09th 2009
254
                Nah
Mar 09th 2009
231
                     were you in college at the time?
Mar 09th 2009
236
                          Yeah
Mar 09th 2009
253
                               doesn't count. I thought Kweli was a good rapper when I was in college
Mar 09th 2009
255
                                    That's on you
Mar 09th 2009
257
                                    Kweli is a GREAT rapper. nm
Mar 09th 2009
268
                                         ^^^still in college
Mar 10th 2009
274
                                              lol at this exchange
Mar 10th 2009
279
                                              Haha...I just peeped RJ's steez...nigga brining VENOM...Haha
Mar 15th 2009
341
spoiler
Mar 07th 2009
151
No, I got that too
Mar 07th 2009
152
RE: No, I got that too
Mar 08th 2009
192
Atcually it wasn't intentional
Mar 07th 2009
154
RE: spoiler
Mar 07th 2009
158
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 07th 2009
153
i agree with almost all of this and haven't read the comic yet.
Mar 07th 2009
160
For those of you who actually liked the movie...
Mar 07th 2009
156
Dunk's Diary: March 7th, 2009
Mar 07th 2009
161
A+ effort, but the movie itself gets a C
Mar 07th 2009
163
You seriously took the words right outta of my mouth
Mar 08th 2009
197
from the other thread & 1
Mar 07th 2009
164
It's a special liquid that is not stable, thus it moves around
Mar 08th 2009
167
RE: from the other thread & 1
Mar 08th 2009
181
Re: The mask
Mar 08th 2009
188
I would say go ahead and check it out again in IMAX
Mar 08th 2009
201
"evil" doc > squid.
Mar 08th 2009
165
i might be inclined to agree
Mar 08th 2009
183
except the squid was clearly 'alien'
Mar 08th 2009
202
except (spoilers)
Mar 08th 2009
206
      pretty much.
Mar 08th 2009
213
Someone please explain the squid
Mar 09th 2009
218
      do you mean, why does the squid work as a plot device?
Mar 09th 2009
221
           I will take any explanation really
Mar 09th 2009
225
                well, veidts master plan was (spoilers)
Mar 09th 2009
228
                     Thanks, this definitely would not work in the film
Mar 09th 2009
229
wow I LOVED IT........
Mar 08th 2009
166
Am I the only one that liked the score?
Mar 08th 2009
169
I like some of it, and didnt really care for others...
Mar 08th 2009
172
I liked it too. It reminded me of parts of Clockwork Orange
Mar 08th 2009
185
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 08th 2009
170
zack's a hack n/m
Mar 08th 2009
173
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 08th 2009
176
I wish they included Rorchach's origin
Mar 08th 2009
184
saw it Friday night.
Mar 08th 2009
187
RE: saw it Friday night.
Mar 08th 2009
193
shock value thru the roof--but i liked it *slight spoiler*
Mar 08th 2009
191
But it is rated R
Mar 08th 2009
195
Hold THEE fuck up.
Mar 08th 2009
196
NC-17?? LOL. Not even close.
Mar 08th 2009
198
RE: shock value thru the roof--but i liked it *slight spoiler*
Mar 08th 2009
199
they tryna go out like bruce wayne's pops an have they seed
Mar 08th 2009
212
What do you think Rorschach would say about those kids there?
Mar 08th 2009
200
      Kids at movie. Parents awful. Verminous. Filthy. World filthy. Hrmm.
Mar 08th 2009
205
      Worked like a charm
Mar 08th 2009
207
      I think they brought the kids to it cause they think its a comic book mo...
Mar 08th 2009
209
           y'all people keep forgetting the R-rating means it's up to the parents
Mar 08th 2009
210
                LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen
Mar 09th 2009
223
                     he said most kids have read Watchmen, lol.
Mar 09th 2009
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                     RE: LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen
Mar 09th 2009
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                          RE: LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen
Mar 10th 2009
277
I liked it
Mar 08th 2009
203
I didn't like it
Mar 08th 2009
208
people just shouldn't make comic books movies
Mar 08th 2009
211
      this was Sin City's biggest flaw:
Mar 09th 2009
216
it was awesome.
Mar 09th 2009
214
Meh. C+. A for effort though.
Mar 09th 2009
217
I absoulutely loved it.. A+(fyi i never read the novel)
Mar 09th 2009
219
has anyone watched the itunes "motion comic"?
Mar 09th 2009
222
Are they charging for that?
Mar 09th 2009
242
      its $20 for the whole thing
Mar 09th 2009
248
I'm halfway through the book but I really liked the movie
Mar 09th 2009
224
highfalutin bullsh*t.
Mar 09th 2009
226
This was a major problem.
Mar 09th 2009
237
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 09th 2009
227
and now that I've read the entire thread
Mar 09th 2009
230
This was my biggest beef.......
Mar 09th 2009
241
I think it has about 30-40 Million to make it's budget back.
Mar 09th 2009
232
Better or worse than:
Mar 09th 2009
234
I think Sin City and Hellboy edge it out
Mar 09th 2009
239
If I were to rank them...
Mar 09th 2009
246
Take out League and replace with Fron Hell.
Mar 09th 2009
269
      I didn't even watch that one
Mar 10th 2009
293
Better than all.
Mar 09th 2009
260
      Hellboy 2 was beautiful to watch
Mar 10th 2009
292
8 out of 10
Mar 09th 2009
235
RE: 8 out of 10
Mar 09th 2009
244
I liked the way the first half got you invested in the characters
Mar 09th 2009
250
      you thought the first half got you invested in the characters?
Mar 09th 2009
251
      I'm not an expert on much
Mar 09th 2009
256
           RE: I'm not an expert on much
Mar 10th 2009
281
      rorschach's mask...
Mar 10th 2009
273
Your taste in music (in general) and this film is on point.
Mar 09th 2009
270
      Nah. I got mad attention. This movie just sucked rabbit shit.
Mar 11th 2009
297
so why was the Doc's junk on the screen for the majority
Mar 09th 2009
238
I took it as part of his increasing lack of consern for humanity
Mar 09th 2009
240
      yes, and its very fleshed out in the book
Mar 09th 2009
243
           lol @ fleshed out.
Mar 09th 2009
258
                haha totally messed that
Mar 09th 2009
259
AFTER A SECOND VIEWING, I have new thoughts:
Mar 09th 2009
261
RE: AFTER A SECOND VIEWING, I have new thoughts:
Mar 10th 2009
276
FRANK! FRANK! THIS THREAD HAS *300* replies!
Mar 11th 2009
301
I don't understand the disdain for '50s Silk Spectre
Mar 14th 2009
334
      Maybe it's the makeup then. I dunno. It seemed like a stiff performance.
Mar 17th 2009
359
      It was bad acting, man.
Mar 17th 2009
360
           it was as *bad* as her onscreen daughter's to me
Mar 17th 2009
361
yo, I wanna read the book with updated art
Mar 09th 2009
262
Oh yeah, and I can't WAIT for a colorized It's A Wonderful Life.
Mar 10th 2009
275
I only say that because the first comic I got into was Spawn
Mar 10th 2009
280
      i read a lot of comics when i was like 6-12 years old
Mar 10th 2009
283
      Ah, I see the problem here.
Mar 10th 2009
284
Just read it with updated taste instead.
Mar 10th 2009
282
      I'm sorry to dissapoint you by not liking what I wasnt exposed to
Mar 10th 2009
291
Loved it.
Mar 09th 2009
263
I PREDICTED THE EXACT ENDING MONTHS AGO (LINK)
Mar 09th 2009
266
RAWR Dr Manhattan
Mar 09th 2009
272
So im reading the Watchmen now and im only in the beginning
Mar 10th 2009
278
You should wait until you read the whole book to comment further.
Mar 10th 2009
285
      Damm, Peach, let the man speak
Mar 10th 2009
286
           I didn't realize that "FOH"
Mar 10th 2009
294
                Me and James Peach = Nite Owl & The Comedian doing crowd control
Mar 10th 2009
295
i think they blew it on the most powerful parts of the material
Mar 10th 2009
287
but to keep it to the OG the movie would have been 6 hrs long
Mar 10th 2009
289
i cosign you on everything you stated.
Mar 12th 2009
311
      I went back and forth with a friend over this one.
Mar 12th 2009
312
A noble failure... which I enjoyed.
Mar 10th 2009
288
Walked out during the Mars conversation
Mar 10th 2009
290
Boring, stupid, amateurish dumb dogshit.
Mar 11th 2009
298
^^^^^^^Gets it^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mar 11th 2009
300
that's the thing, it's just not a good movie
Mar 11th 2009
304
you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie
Mar 11th 2009
306
foh faggot you didnt even see the shit or read the comic
Mar 12th 2009
313
you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie
Mar 11th 2009
305
i fucking hated it. and i hate it more and more as time goes on
Mar 11th 2009
299
Two things I caught this time around:
Mar 11th 2009
307
RE: Two things I caught this time around:
Mar 11th 2009
308
He certainly looked very gay in his nippled costume at 54.
Mar 11th 2009
309
Dude, he and David Bowie and Mick Jagger all kicking it
Mar 12th 2009
310
      I laughed so hard when I saw that
Mar 12th 2009
318
           ^^^ THIS guy
Mar 12th 2009
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           'Cause people would recognize 'Berlin' Bowie
Mar 12th 2009
320
                lol
Mar 14th 2009
329
                Then don't have him in it
Mar 14th 2009
335
                     dude nixon was elected to a third term.
Mar 17th 2009
351
I caught that "boys" shit too
Mar 12th 2009
315
Loved it
Mar 12th 2009
314
Rorshach was abused like an ugly stepchild by this awful movie.
Mar 12th 2009
317
      Blame Alan Moore
Mar 12th 2009
321
      When will you nerds realize I don't give a fuck about no book?
Mar 13th 2009
322
           you's a weird nigga.
Mar 13th 2009
327
                lol..he trie to be hood but you see his nerd inside his postings
Mar 14th 2009
331
                     I'm a standard modern black man, doggie
Mar 14th 2009
336
                          Does Standard Black Man come with power windows?
Mar 16th 2009
347
      well Rorschach WAS an abused ugly bastard child after all
Mar 13th 2009
324
      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Mar 13th 2009
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           RE: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Mar 13th 2009
326
      What part of Batman & Robin had your heart racing?
Mar 13th 2009
328
           Watchmen was *slightly* better than 'Batman and Robin'.
Mar 14th 2009
330
                i understand where you're coming from, but jesus christ
Mar 14th 2009
337
                ^^^ OEMADius
Mar 14th 2009
338
                     *shrugs* hey, don't hate me cuz your fave movie is poop
Mar 14th 2009
339
Was I the only one that thought that Rorschach was terrible
Mar 12th 2009
316
My thought...
Mar 13th 2009
323
the opening credits were my favorite part of the movie
Mar 14th 2009
332
Nope not good.
Mar 14th 2009
340
DID ANYBODY NOTICE.........(spoilers)
Mar 15th 2009
343
yes
Mar 15th 2009
344
RE: DID ANYBODY NOTICE.........(spoilers)
Mar 15th 2009
345
how many times did kovacs pop up?
Mar 15th 2009
346
I spotted him pretty much everytime Dan was walking outside
Mar 16th 2009
349
i counted like 4 times.
Mar 16th 2009
350
yeah i watched again saturday and noticed it was wild
Mar 16th 2009
348
as someone who knew NOTHING about ANYTHING walkin in...
Mar 17th 2009
352
this is BS
Mar 17th 2009
353
But he still enjoyed it.
Mar 17th 2009
354
      But that reason is bullshit .
Mar 17th 2009
355
           He didn't say that was why he liked it.
Mar 17th 2009
356
           Exactly...Dude just pissed off cuz some ppl actually liked it
Mar 17th 2009
358
           lol @ ya'll overanalyzing people's personal opinions...
Mar 17th 2009
357
^this was the same reaction my co-workers had^
Mar 18th 2009
363
saw it for a second time tonite...
Mar 18th 2009
366
It's much better on second viewing
Mar 17th 2009
362
RE: The Official Watchmen Post.
Mar 18th 2009
364
as much as O_E "hated it" he seems awfully invested in
Mar 18th 2009
365

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2. "Roger Ebert 's Four Star Review (swipe)"
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http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090304/REVIEWS/903049997

Watchmen
A quantum man in a universe
of mere masked marvels

Release Date: 2009

Ebert Rating: ****

/ / / Mar 4, 2009

by Roger Ebert

After the revelation of “The Dark Knight,” here is “Watchmen,” another bold exercise in the liberation of the superhero movie. It’s a compelling visceral film — sound, images and characters combined into a decidedly odd visual experience that evokes the feel of a graphic novel. It seems charged from within by its power as a fable; we sense it’s not interested in a plot so much as with the dilemma of functioning in a world losing hope.

That world is America in 1985, with Richard Nixon in the White House and many other strange details, although this America occupies a parallel universe in which superheroes and masked warriors operate. The film confronts a paradox that was always there in comic books: The heroes are only human. They can be in only one place at a time (with a possible exception to be noted later). Although a superhero is able to handle one dangerous situation, the world has countless dangerous situations, and the super resources are stretched too thin. Faced with law enforcement anarchy, Nixon has outlawed superhero activity, quite possibly a reasonable action. Now the murder of the enigmatic vigilante the Comedian (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) has brought the Watchmen together again. Who might be the next to die?

Dr. Manhattan (Billy Crudup), the only one with superpowers in the literal sense, lives outside ordinary time and space, the forces of the universe seeming to coil beneath his skin. Ozymandias (Matthew Goode) is the world’s smartest man. The Nite Owl (Patrick Wilson) is a man isolated from life by his mastery of technology. Rorshach (Jackie Earl Haley) is a man who finds meaning in patterns that may only exist in his mind. And Silk Spectre II (Malin Akerman) lives with one of the most familiar human challenges, living up to her parents, in this case the original Silk Spectre (Carla Gugino). Dr. Manhattan is both her lover and a distant father figure living in a world of his own.

These characters are garbed in traditional comic book wardrobes — capes, boots, gloves, belts, masks, props, anything to make them one of a kind. Rorshach’s cloth mask, with its endlessly shifting inkblots, is one of the most intriguing superhero masks ever, always in constant motion, like a mood ring of the id. Dr. Manhattan is contained in a towering, muscular, naked blue body; he was affected by one of those obligatory secret experiments gone wild. Never mind the details; what matters is that he possibly exists at a quantum level, at which particles seem exempt from the usual limitations of space and time. If it seems unlikely that quantum materials could assemble into a tangible physical body, not to worry. Everything is made of quantum particles, after all. There’s a lot we don’t know about them, including how they constitute Dr. Manhattan, so the movie is vague about his precise reality. I was going to say Silk Spectre II has no complaints, but actually she does.

The mystery of the Comedian’s death seems associated with a plot to destroy the world. The first step in the plot may be to annihilate the Watchmen, who are All That Stand Between, etc. It is hard to see how anyone would benefit from the utter destruction of the planet, but remember that in 1985 there was a nuclear standoff between the United States and the Soviet Union that threatened exactly that. Remember “Better Dead Than Red”? There were indeed cold warriors who preferred to be dead rather than red, reminding me of David Merrick’s statement, “It’s not enough for me to win. My enemies must lose.”

In a cosmic sense it doesn’t really matter who pushed the Comedian through the window. In a cosmic sense, nothing really matters, but best not meditate on that too much. The Watchmen and their special gifts are all the better able to see how powerless they really are, and although all but Dr. Manhattan are human and back the home team, their powers are not limitless. Dr. Manhattan, existing outside time and space, is understandably remote from the fate of our tiny planet, although perhaps he still harbors some old emotions.

Those kinds of quandaries engage all the Watchmen, and are presented in a film experience of often fearsome beauty. It might seem improbable to take seriously a naked blue man, complete with discreet genitalia, but Billy Crudup brings a solemn detachment to Dr. Manhattan that is curiously affecting. Does he remember how it felt to be human? No, but hum a few bars. ... Crudup does the voice and the body language, which is transformed by software into a figure of considerable presence.

“Watchmen” focuses on the contradiction shared by most superheroes: They cannot live ordinary lives but are fated to help mankind. That they do this with trademarked names and appliances goes back to their origins in Greece, where Zeus had his thunderbolts, Hades his three-headed dog, and Hermes his winged feet. Could Zeus run fast? Did Hermes have a dog? No.

That level of symbolism is coiling away beneath all superheroes. What appeals with Batman is his humanity; despite his skills, he is not supernormal. “Watchmen” brings surprising conviction to these characters as flawed and minor gods, with Dr. Manhattan possessing access to godhead on a plane that detaches him from our daily concerns — indeed, from days themselves. In the film’s most spectacular scene, he is exiled to Mars, and in utter isolation reimagines himself as a human, and conjures (or discovers? I’m not sure) an incredible city seemingly made of crystal and mathematical concepts. This is his equivalent to 40 days in the desert, and he returns as a savior.

The film is rich enough to be seen more than once. I plan to see it again, this time on IMAX, and will have more to say about it. I’m not sure I understood all the nuances and implications, but I am sure I had a powerful experience. It’s not as entertaining as “The Dark Knight,” but like the “Matrix” films, LOTR and “The Dark Knight,” it’s going to inspire fevered analysis. I don’t want to see it twice for that reason, however, but mostly just to have the experience again.

Cast & Credits

Dr. Manhattan/Jon Osterman Billy Crudup
Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias Matthew Goode
Sally Jupiter/Silk Spectre Carla Gugino
Laurie Jupiter/Silk Spectre II Malin Akerman
Rorschach Jackie Earle Haley
Edward Blake/Comedian Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Dan Dreiberg/Nite Owl Patrick Wilson
Moloch the Mystic Matt Frewer
John McLaughlin Gary Houston

Warner Bros. and Paramount present a film directed by Zack Snyder. Written by David Hayter and Alex Tse, based on the graphic novel by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. Running time: 163 minutes. Rated R (for strong graphic violence, sexuality, nudity and language).

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4. "Today @ work, I read like 5 reviews of Watchmen"
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All confirming my worst fears (it sacrifices being a good film for the sake of fidelity to the OGN.)

But this review just lifted my expectations and got me excited all over again.

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5. "the only reviewer i care about"
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11. "Ebert understands, more than any other film reviewer..."
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...that you don't need to understand everything in a film or have everything in the film be perfect in order for it to move you and capture your imagination. He's the type of critic who actually will want to see a film again and dig deeper. That's the kind of critic I aspire to be, and that's the type of film I'm praying Watchmen turns out to be.

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16. "^^Mrhood wouldn't talk Watchmen with this guy"
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fka nope

  

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3. "seeing it on friday"
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this movie will be my first IMAX experience, probably only before I head overseas. I really cannot wait. its only two days away though.



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6. "i still can't see what im posting, am I a ghost?"
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7. "seeing it Sat on IMAX."
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I CANT WAIT!!!!!!

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8. "Hopefully it's not as retarded as 300"
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I liked the comic a lot but I still don't believe they'll be able to capture everything that is great about it in the film. Just b/c it's such a huge story and the pacing needs to be slow in parts (Especially Dr. Manhattan's exile scenes), imo it would need to be a 4 and a half hour film. And since obviously that didn't nor would ever happen I doubt that the film will be that good. I'm going into the film with very low expectations hoping that they way i won't be disappointed but I did the same thing with The Spirit and was amazed at how much worse it actually was.

  

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9. "test."
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10. "YES ITS WORKING AGAIN!!"
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12. "Crudup was just on Fallon..."
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They played a clip from the part where Manhattan is relfecting on life from Mars.

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13. "saw it on monday in IMAX, i enjoyed it a lot."
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i read the novel over the weekend so i knew what to expect looking into it, the movie holds really true to the book for the most part. only part i wasnt really feeling was the music, it sounded out of place to me but that was my only complaint. epic movie.

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14. "*munches noisily on sugar cubes, throws wrappers on floor of post*"
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17. "*eats raw can of beans*"
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looking forward to being there friday at 10.

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20. "*gulps raw egg in a cracked shell*"
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15. "saw it a few weeks ago up in LA.....FABULOUS!!!"
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I can't wait to see that ish on IMAX...

Carla Cugino and Malin Ackerman look FOINE as fudge in this...




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18. "I mean, wow, almost 3 hours?"
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26. "anything less would be horseshit"
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27. "That's what she said."
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fka nope

  

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41. "Ok, since I read it, the time went by quickly while watching the movie"
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19. "watchmen saturday morning cartoon"
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21. "LMAO"
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That was rather brilliant.

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44. "rorschach with the dogs. lol."
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22. "I laffed"
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24. "That was awesome."
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37. "waow. ninjas be having too much time on they hands. and i'm glad."
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that was funny as hell.


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46. "Wow."
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49. "If only I could get that kiss"
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WOW

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70. "that was fucked hahahaha."
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264. "sweet"
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23. "hold up -- Matthew Goode said to suck his dick? GANGSTA!!"
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From the bottom of this (generally decent) gossip roundup, I don't have the original source:

http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/one-day-at-a-time/Content?oid=1274755

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SUNDAY, MARCH 1 Dweebs across the globe can suck it, says charming 30-year-old actor Matthew Goode! "I think the fanboys aren't particularly happy," Goode told The Sun about the mixed reaction to his role as one of Watchmen's gazillion lead characters. "But if fanboys still hate the film after going and seeing it, they can all line up and suck my dick." The silver-tongued thesp continued, "I don't give a fuck. I'm having a child and that's more important to me—so I don't give a fuck. Grow a dick." MEANWHILE, IN THE FUTURE.... 57-year-old Matthew Goode will come home to his one-bedroom apartment, exhausted from yet another comic book convention where he desperately sold his autograph to smirking fanboys. "If one more overweight man-child asks me to record their voicemail message with 'Leave a message or not, I don't give a fuck, grow a dick,' I am so done with the con circuit," he'll say. "Besides, me and Mark Hamill have this new pilot we're gonna pitch around town...."

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25. "wow"
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28. "Wow. But, shit, I wouldn't blame him if he sucks as Ozy."
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I would blame his boss.

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29. "it was brilliant."
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32. "*Shits pants*"
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35. "*dead*"
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30. "no one wants to see it at midnight with me. :("
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33. "it was good, not great"
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i didnt expect the full novel to be adapted but i didnt like some of the changes. i would have wanted to see more of certain parts of the novel cause i felt the movie had to rush some things sometimes.

overall its a good movie and definitely visually the best adaption of a comic so far

  

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34. "*skims graphic novel before screening*"
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36. "this one was necessary though...I think you woulda deleted it.."
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..if I didn't have that intro.

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50. "sounds like the beginning of a wonderful bromance."
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39. "My thoughts (contains spoilers to those unfamiliar with the book):"
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First off, shout out to bshelly. Cool dude.

Secondly, I'd like to preface this by saying I have NOT read the graphic novel. I started to, and got through Comedian's funeral before I was encouraged by a fellow OKP to stop-- to see the movie, then read the graphic novel, then see it again. I thought that sounded like a good plan.

Alright, now to the thoughts.

The first hour and a half drags. Like, a lot. There are good moments, and I like that we're thrown right into it without overt explanation. Snyder trusts the audience, and while that's a relief as an audience member who hates being patronized, if you don't earn my attention, I'll get bored. And yes, on multiple occasions, I checked my watch, men (tee hee).

I think that right around the attack on Ozymandias and Rorschach going to jail is when shit starts to pick up. Jackie Earle Haley IS this movie in terms of acting. Wilson, Ackerman, Crudup, Gugino, they do fine jobs (I'll save Goode for later). But Haley really steals the show, and more than anyone else in the film, he is compelling every time he's on the screen, especially once we see his face. I found myself very emotionally invested by the time we get to Rorschach's ultimate fate. Everyone else... eh, yeah, I was interested. But when it was clear what was going to happen to Rorschach, I wished there was another way.

Perhaps the reason the movie gets good there is because the action picks up. We get to see the heroes in action, rather than simply talking about the good ole days and Comedian flashbacks (Jeffrey Dean Morgan, looking like a swollen Robert Downey Jr., does a nice job as well, but his flashbacks ultimately slow the pace of the film... not much can be done about it, but they do). Is this my MTV-generation ADD brain talking? No, I don't think so. I think that it may relate to folks alive in the Cold War era more than myself, but it's just talky in a way that seems more literary than cinematic. If that makes sense.

Now, the ending. I know there's hubbub. But to me, the average film viewer (who knows the original ending but hasn't read it yet), it makes sense. It's tragic, all of the characters have unique responses, and we get the weight of it. We've already got folks ready to point the finger at Dr. Manhattan-- this seems like a clean and more cinematic way to tie everything and everyone together at the end. I think Goode does a TERRIFIC job of shouldering that burden, and anyone who looks at the photos and thinks he won't be believable in that role... wait til you see it. I know, I haven't read the end of the graphic novel, but to me, his character was also one of the most compelling.

The CGI was good (the mouth movement on Manhattan distracted me at times), the violence was pretty unflinching (Shells' jaw fucking dropped off when dude got his arms sawed off onscreen without looking away, lol), and all in all, I was entertained. I'm curious to see which sequences are IMAX.

Now, I think I might be more entertained because I'm unfamiliar with the story, and so I also get surprised by certain events along the way, I'm held in more suspense. To those who know all of the plot machinations before stepping into the theater? I have a feeling you will have immense respect for what has been done here... but you won't love it. And at the end, I think that's what fanboys are probably looking for. But to a regular joe who is unfamiliar with most of Watchmen, I found the story very thought-provoking, the pace and filming certainly unlike any other superhero film, and some really great moments throughout (most involving Rorschach).

Oh, and by the way, there is zero chance this film makes its money back. I would be thrilled if it did, because it's a bold and ballsy endeavor to spend this much money on something so... out there. But no, I really don't think it will. Most theater goers right now are looking to spend their money on escapist fare (Taken, Paul Blart, Slumdog Millionaire). This is a 3-hour thinkpiece involving costumed crusaders-- lotsa folks are gonna pass.

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45. "this is true"
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>First off, shout out to bshelly. Cool dude.

>me at times), the violence was pretty unflinching (Shells' jaw
>fucking dropped off when dude got his arms sawed off onscreen
>without looking away, lol),

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48. "Wait, there are actual IMAX-sized scenes?"
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Are you certain about that?

Also, the pacing early on is like that in the book the first time you read it. The second time you read it, all that early stuff feels a lot more important, because once you know the characters better, those scenes are a lot meatier. I wonder if the movie does that, too. That would be really cool.

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51. "I definitely think everything at the beginning is important."
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Because you're right, it's all the character stuff that we need. In fact, I think Snyder made the most economic Watchmen film he possibly could in terms of narrative... there's really not any fat at all.

It's just the tempo of the thing. For a good hour and a half, it's tough to get totally sucked in. It's just a challenging film-- and perhaps that is my fault as the viewer. Perhaps at a screening during the day instead of midnight, the tempo won't be as bothersome... because I do feel there's nothing else he could have cut out of this film. Perhaps it's the acting of people like Patrick Wilson and Malin Ackerman, who do fine jobs, but they aren't people who walk onto the screen and *snap* you're compelled.

I admire the film a lot for what it does... I just don't think it works as thoroughly as I'd hoped it would. An hour of terrific movie mixed in with an hour and a half of slow-tempo, only moderately interesting character work... it's just tough to make this story work without it FEELING too long. There's a lot in the film to like, though-- perhaps I was wrong about what fans of the book will think.

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57. "Here's the thing with the book"
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just like you say the movie couldn't trim anything, the book is really more so. With the elimination of certain things that I know aren't in the movie, I already know there are certain themes in the book that won't translate into the movie well, or at all, because of the absence of these pieces. I'm talking specifically about the impact Rorschach has on his psychiatrist and the street-level people around the newsstand. What I can tell you about the stuff that's still in the movie (again, from what I've heard) is that it drags like that in the book when you read it the first time. I mean, you know it's important stuff, but that doesn't mean it's enthralling, right?

When you read it the second time, you not only know how important that stuff is, but you actually feel a different, stronger way about it all. You're more entertained by all of it the second time.

If the movie pulls that aspect off, I'll be ecstatic. It's a tough thing to do.

The thing about the movie, though, is that it controls the pace. In the book, you control the pace, and pace is important in Watchmen in a way that other comics don't understand.

I know from experience that watching a movie at midnight can fuck up your perception of the pacing, though, so maybe it's that simple.

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63. "I think the self-control of pace is such a fantastic point."
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Perfectly stated. That might be the chief reason why people will complain about how long it is, despite noting that it's faithful to the book. A book you can read as slowly or as quickly as you want, but we in the audience are forced to go by Snyder's pace.

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220. "This is EXACTLY how I felt once the film ended"
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-Oh, and by the way, there is zero chance this film makes its money back. I would be thrilled if it did, because it's a bold and ballsy endeavor to spend this much money on something so... out there. But no, I really don't think it will. Most theater goers right now are looking to spend their money on escapist fare (Taken, Paul Blart, Slumdog Millionaire). This is a 3-hour thinkpiece involving costumed crusaders-- lotsa folks are gonna pass.

Its too deep(and thats a good thing). Its more Clockwork Orange than it is Spiderman.

  

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40. "The "alternate ending" did not change the story really (n/m)"
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42. "That shit was long"
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Decent, not great.

  

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47. "I'm seriously geeked for that."
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69. "link?"
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52. "Question for those who have seen it (possible mild spoiler)"
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I just read a review that put the line calling the Comedian "practically a Nazi" in Rorschach's mouth, rather than Veidt's. That really fucks up the whole political dynamic of the characters. Please tell me this isn't the case.

  

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54. "You heard wrong."
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>I just read a review that put the line calling the Comedian
>"practically a Nazi" in Rorschach's mouth, rather than
>Veidt's. That really fucks up the whole political dynamic of
>the characters. Please tell me this isn't the case.

Veidt still says it but to Dreiberg, not Rorsharch. Still ruins the dynamic a little because you don't get Rorsharch's reaction.


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55. "Thanks"
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I'm going see this tomorrow with some friends who haven't read the book. The political aspects of the story are probably the things I'm most concerned about. There's a lot of nuance to get right, and from what you're saying, the script surgeons encroach a bit too much. Am I right?

  

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60. "RE: Thanks"
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>I'm going see this tomorrow with some friends who haven't
>read the book. The political aspects of the story are probably
>the things I'm most concerned about. There's a lot of nuance
>to get right, and from what you're saying, the script surgeons
>encroach a bit too much. Am I right?

They take artistic liberties with quite a few things but stay faithful for a lot of others. The political climate was handled pretty well, I think.


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58. "Yeah, I'm irritated that it's Dan talking to Vedit and not Rorschach"
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that was an important scene for both Ozy and Rorschach in the way it showed us the contrast between the characters, and also clued us in on the specifics of Rorschach's craziness.

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53. "It was an ambitious effort"
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*SPOILERS WiTHIN*


As a huge fan of the book I tried to keep my expectations low but couldn't help but get more & more excited for this flick as the date crawled nearer.

Complaint 1: For those that read the book: Remember all the easter eggs and nuances and surprises that you got little by little when reading the story the 1st, 2nd even 3rd & 4th times? All of those are force fed to you, half of them in the opening credits.

-Dollar Bill killed in a revolving door-check
-Mothman committed to an Asylum-check
-Silhouette murdered-check (This one shows her & her lover's bloodied corpses with "Lesbian Whores" written in blood on their wall)
-Comedian killed Kennedy-check (this was vaguely implied in the book. You actually see Blake wiping his rifle off after cappin' JFK)

All these are shown in the 1st 3 minutes of the film.


Complaint 2: Gratuitous violence- Wayyyyyy overdone here. Certainly the book didn't shy away from violence where it served the story. The movie is probably ten times more violent and gory than the book-and for no good reason. It seemed Snyder didn't think he could hold the average moviegoers attention unless a body was exploding, someone's elbow was protruding from their skin or a limb was dismembered. It even made me uncomfortable, and I'm not at all squeamish.


Complaint 3: Ozaymandias was AWFUL. Worst casting ever. Even though Adrian Veidt was a gazillionaire, a perfect physical specimen & the "smartest man alive", he was supposed to be really likeable. The actor played him as a smug, smarmy egotistical prick and that was totally wrong for the role. Couldn't get over that. Jude Law would have been far better, IMO.

Complaint 4 (which is an extension of C3): The most awesome moment in the entire book-where Ozymandias after explaining the details of his elaborate plan is asked by Nite Owl when he was actually planning on going through with it, to which he responds: "I did it thirty-five minutes ago". COMPLETELY BOTCHED, rushed & butchered. The book goes to great lengths to blur the typical comic hero/villain stereotypes. Adrian even states "I'm not some Republic serial villain, Dan", yet the movie has him deliver that monologue sounding like a Republic serial villain! Methinks Snyder didn't get it.


Probably more, but I'll leave it at that for now.

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56. "You nailed it with Juse Law...buut.."
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I found Ozy to be a prick.

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59. "RE: You nailed it with Juse Law...buut.."
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>I found Ozy to be a prick.

I guess he could be when he wanted to, but not overall. Also remember Doug Roth from Nova Express's interview with him. Talks a lot about how much of a regular guy and how likeable Veidt is.

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67. "Pre-total batshit Tom Cruise."
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That's kinda what I saw Veidt like... A guy who seems really accessible and likeable, but once you talk to him a little bit it becomes clear that he sincerely believes he is a cut above the rest of mankind.

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75. "That's a real good call, n/m."
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>That's kinda what I saw Veidt like... A guy who seems really
>accessible and likeable, but once you talk to him a little bit
>it becomes clear that he sincerely believes he is a cut above
>the rest of mankind.





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61. "havent seen it yet, read the book"
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>Complaint 3: Ozaymandias was AWFUL. Worst casting ever. Even
>though Adrian Veidt was a gazillionaire, a perfect physical
>specimen & the "smartest man alive", he was supposed to be
>really likeable. The actor played him as a smug, smarmy
>egotistical prick and that was totally wrong for the role.
>Couldn't get over that. Jude Law would have been far better,
>IMO.
>

and thats what I thought about Veidt when i read it so if it translates on screen, thats a good thing

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62. "As a non-reader, the "35 minutes ago" line had huge impact for me."
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64. "Really? That's good then. I guess my perspective is so skewered."
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from having read the book so many times...


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101. "RE: As a non-reader, the "35 minutes ago" line had huge impact for me."
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yep. as a reader I was impressed.

  

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111. "Totally agree"
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>Complaint 1: For those that read the book: Remember all the
>easter eggs and nuances and surprises that you got little by
>little when reading the story the 1st, 2nd even 3rd & 4th
>times? All of those are force fed to you, half of them in the
>opening credits.

That's why I'm torn. Am I expecting too much wanting every little allegory, theme, epiphany to be conveyed in the film? I know it's near impossible, but the film just felt so pale and rushed compared to the novel. It was beautiful in a lot of places too.

I liked the violence, though. Huge violence whore over here.

>Complaint 3: Ozaymandias was AWFUL. Worst casting ever. Even
>though Adrian Veidt was a gazillionaire, a perfect physical
>specimen & the "smartest man alive", he was supposed to be
>really likeable. The actor played him as a smug, smarmy
>egotistical prick and that was totally wrong for the role.
>Couldn't get over that. Jude Law would have been far better,
>IMO.

GOD YES!!! I just wrote almost the exact same thing in my review. Despite his riches, talent, and intellect, you're supposed to be drawn to him, like him. Instead, he was a dull, stiff caricature. He is a huge part of the story, plot-wise and thematically. The poor casting really took away from the impact of the story.


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132. "I've read the graphic novel and thought the 35 minutes ago line"
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was executed very well. Still gave me chills, even though I knew it was coming.

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66. "This is awful"
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it is awful

Y'all can try to rationalize why it's bad all you want. It's awful.

I can't wait til it's over

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72. "you haven't even seen it."
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78. "i was IN this movie when i posted...and it WAS BAD"
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the sway
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74. "your agenda-based posting is lame"
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how about you watch the movie and actually offer criticism instead of just hoping the movie sucks so you can roll out your new set of obnoxious posts? at least other people on this board attempt to be objective

  

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Basaglia
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79. "and you mad they made a fucked up movie...GOOD!"
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>how about you watch the movie and actually offer criticism
>instead of just hoping the movie sucks so you can roll out
>your new set of obnoxious posts?

too bad for you i had already sat through an hour and a half when i made that post.

>at least other people on
>this board attempt to be objective

i SEE every movie. the one that i like and the ones that i shit on. no one on this board can EVER accuse me of that shit, so don't even bother.

there are some bitches, like you, who have debated with me about certain films that they did NOT see, but NEVER the other way around.

it sucked. and it shouldn't have been made. i hope it falls far short of its budget, so that execs will never again cowtow to the whining of stupid ass fanboys who have no concept of budgetary limits, story flow and, most blantantly, non-fanboy audience tolerance.

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the sway
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82. "actually, i've debated with you about 1 movie ever, i think"
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>>at least other people on
>>this board attempt to be objective
>
>i SEE every movie. the one that i like and the ones that i
>shit on. no one on this board can EVER accuse me of that shit,
>so don't even bother.
>
>there are some bitches, like you, who have debated with me
>about certain films that they did NOT see, but NEVER the other
>way around.

and that was the dark knight, so save that shit. if there were other debates, let me know, but i don't post much in ptp. i haven't seen watchmen, and the only stake i have in caring if it is good or not is the 2 hours and 40 minutes i will spend watching it

>it sucked. and it shouldn't have been made. i hope it falls
>far short of its budget, so that execs will never again cowtow
>to the whining of stupid ass fanboys who have no concept of
>budgetary limits, story flow and, most blantantly, non-fanboy
>audience tolerance.

but you thought this long before you actually saw the movie, as your constant posts about "i hope this bombs, blah blah blah" can attest to. if you think it sucks, thats fine, but you posted about how you hoped it would suck/bomb long before you saw the movie

  

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83. "what? i liked the dark knight, dumbass"
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>and that was the dark knight, so save that shit. if there were
>other debates, let me know, but i don't post much in ptp.

just because i didn't think ledger deserved an oscar that don't mean i hated the whole damn movie or even his performance. that's about all i had to say about that film.

i
>haven't seen watchmen, and the only stake i have in caring if
>it is good or not is the 2 hours and 40 minutes i will spend
>watching it

if you haven't even seen it, why are you fuckin with me?

i swear...BYE!


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the sway
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84. "RE: what? i liked the dark knight, dumbass"
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>
>>and that was the dark knight, so save that shit. if there
>were
>>other debates, let me know, but i don't post much in ptp.
>
>just because i didn't think ledger deserved an oscar that
>don't mean i hated the whole damn movie or even his
>performance. that's about all i had to say about that film.

i never said we even disagreed about it, its just the only movie post i recall responding to you about. you're the one who said:

"there are some bitches, like you, who have debated with me about certain films that they did NOT see, but NEVER the other way around."

so fuck you for falsely accusing me of some shit


> i
>>haven't seen watchmen, and the only stake i have in caring
>if
>>it is good or not is the 2 hours and 40 minutes i will spend
>>watching it
>
>if you haven't even seen it, why are you fuckin with me?
>
>i swear...BYE!

i'm fucking with you because its clear that you WANTED to hate this movie from the jump:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=437142&mesg_id=437142&listing_type=search#437350

pardon me if i don't understand why you seem to have so much invested in whether this movie does well or not.

  

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85. "Oh so you're posting-from-the-movie-theater guy. That's awesome."
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168. "yeah, i'm that guy. and it didn't change the movie one bit"
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it was still bad

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71. "wild boring"
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I read the comic about ten years ago, so it wasn't THAT fresh in my mind, but this movie was still simply just a moving picture version of the graphic novel without:

1.) The hugely compelling, multi-layered substories that kept me engrossed...

2.) any serious character development that would make me give a shit about anybody living or dying...

3.) Any real compelling action, either...

I think I'm done with comic book movies. Cats are making these adapatation TOO faithful to the source material - there's nothing compelling left to experience in the theater.

The past is my foundation, not my preoccupation.

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73. "What was the last comic movie you saw that you liked?"
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??

NICE TRY KOWALSKI

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114. "dark knight"
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~ the action was bananas, the direction was on point, and the acting was compelling, which kept me from being annoyed by the cornball superhero themes the movie clung to (see: the BATMAN VOICE, SUPER HACKING TECHNOLOGY, etc)

runnerup: iron man, for the same reasons

watchmen already didn't have any dramatic impact for me because i read the source material. the fact that the movie clung SO tightly to it left me with nothing new to experience.

and like i said, i don't go to movies to see 'cool comics books move on the big screen.'

reading an actual comic book is better to me.
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80. "Hitler's reaction to the ending (SPOILERS)"
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157. "HILARIOUS!!!!"
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LMFAO!!


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159. "Brilliant!"
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Not just a hilarious idea, but well written and executed. Entertaining for the entire 4 minutes.

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265. "*bangs head on keyboard* HA!!!"
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333. "'It's like paying a hooker for housecleaning!'"
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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81. "and I'm off to see it...6:30 showing."
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.

NICE TRY KOWALSKI

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86. "I wasnt prepared (Spoiler)"
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I didnt read the Graphic Novel. The political stuff, yadda yadda yadda, moral conflict, yadda yadda, gratuitous violence......yadda.....wait........hold up........wait.....is that......I'm trippin, just keep eating my reeces pieces, got my cherry coke, I'm straight.....no, it wasnt what i thought it was..... ...this is actually decent....damn that nigga comedian is a ruthless ass nigga... oh shit son...that nigga is cold ha ha ha.............wait...... wait..............*deflates*.........is that...FOCK its his dick...........*screams NO HOMO at top of lungs*........*takes mental note*..*send letter to WB, remind them to put NO HOMO in the FBI warning on DVD version*.................I might have to leave this fucker just based off the principle..... fuck it I'll stick it out(no homo)..........OK... its over now.......3 hours of mind fuckery... I give it a 8

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87. "I give that review an 8"
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88. "haha"
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108. "Yo this is actually the best review I've read n/m"
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109. "bwahahahaha"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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113. "review gets a 9, avy gets a 82930482098342822. gotdamn."
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162. "^^^^ All other PTP reviews of this movie are shit compared to this one."
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89. "dude who play roshach completely owned the role.."
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i thought it was a solid movie..

  

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99. "you mean kelly leak?"
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177. "i waited for it^^^^^^^"
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thank you.

you know young wayne in here, smelling teen spirit like kurt cobain in here. (i know it is stupid, but it made me laugh).

  

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90. "just seent it in beirut...good watch, man."
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Just saw it in BEIRUT. Mad people were leaving the theatre before the ending so i guess the length of the film got to some people but imo it was put together really well although i have not read the comic. I plan on checking it now after seeing the film now. DAMN DAMN DAMN RORSHCACH!

  

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ZooTown74
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91. "I enjoyed this shit, with minor reservations."
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First off, shouts out to David Hayter and Alex Tse (and apparently an uncredited Orci and Kurtzman) for adapting this book. You know, one of the toughest things to do when writing is putting in character backstory... if you do it wrong, it comes off as clunky and slows the pacing of the film down. If you do it right, it can still come off as clunky and slow the pacing of the film down. I thought it was done relatively well here... more on that in a second.

I didn't mind the pacing of the flick at all, mainly because I knew that the flashbacks were going to take up most of the first hour or so of the film's running time. Though, if *I* were making the movie, I would have made almost all of the pre-1985 stuff pre-opening credits... especially the near-rape of Sally... THEN I would have cut to the Comedian's death, then went to the opening credits, which were FANTASTIC... the problem is, like with Sin City, there was too much reverence to the graphic novel here... the graphic novel is great because it seamlessly incorporates backstories, flashbacks, and added materials that add texture to the story being told... here, I think Snyder and the writers (it took 4 of them to basically cut-paste the graphic novel's core story?) should have not been afraid to open up the playbook, and tell the most effective story without regard to how closely everything remained to the novel...

I missed the Tales of the Black Freighter and resent having to pay separately in order to see that story (well, that and Under the Hood also). But there was just no way to incorporate that side narrative into the framework of this story at all. And yeah, the narrative loses a little juice by not including it in the story (you lose some of the texture of the storytelling from the graphic novel), but I ultimately rolled with it. I skimmed the graphic novel last night, and made a mental note of what were the important beats of the main story (fuck off, I've been in writing mode lately), and for the most part, they got the basic, most important beats in.

I'm convinced that if there were no shows like Lost or Damages on the air, this film would still not have been made. Because I think those shows (and others before it that I'm drawing blanks on) made it acceptable for storytellers to jump back and forth in time and embed character backstories within the narrative. And yeah, I know, "but The Watchmen was first, it came out in 1986," thanks. But what I'm saying is that those shows made it acceptable *visually* to play with time and space and shoehorn in character backstory...

Ultimately, I wasn't upset with the decision to stick with the main murder mystery narrative of the book. It's fairly straightforward (even at 2:38, which is how long the IMAX cut I saw was) and simple to follow, if you don't let yourself get confused by the flashbacks and backstories... perhaps year title cards would have helped clear up any confusion?

The film as a whole was shot beautifully, and very faithful to the graphic novel... but again, as was the case with Sin City, it was almost TOO faithful... there were a few iconic shots that you needed (such as the bloody smiley face, The Comedian flying through the window, the reveal of Dr. Manhattan's big crystal Mars crib, etc), but it would have been nice if Snyder and Larry Fong had a little more fun with the shots, and thus put more of their stamp on the film... I know it would have pissed off the devoted readers of the book (I'm done using the word "fanboy"), but fuck that, Zack, this is YOUR movie, give us something that's YOUR signature, not Dave Gibbons'...

Performance-wise, I thought Jackie Earle Haley (aka Kelly Leak) was the star of the show. And I also thought Jeffrey Dean Morgan was very good as well, as long as he stuck around. They both seemed to understand that they were the rotten-cored souls of the story and had fun with the roles. I liked Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl II and Malin Akerman as Silk Spectre II, but they felt like cyphers, empty, vapid symbols of what superheroes were supposed to be. I had no problem with Matthew Goode as Ozy at all. I always thought the character was a smug prick. I mean, cmon, the guy quit the game and started whoring himself out, hawking action figures of himself. And while I liked Billy Crudup's reading of Dr. Manhattan, I really didn't need to see his blue junk or ass in just about every shot he was in. I mean, cmon, fam.

I was glad we didn't hear many of the "futuristic" songs in the film that the advertising relied on... I didn't really need to hear "Angel," "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning," "The Day the World Went Away," etc. Because that would have made it a different movie, this isn't a futuristic thriller, it's more of a historical mystery...

I enjoyed it quite a bit, and am pretty sure that I'll enjoy the longer cut, which supposedly will incorporate Tales of the Black Freighter into the main narrative... good luck with that...

Also, I don't recall seeing any IMAX-exclusive sequences... the IMAX cut I saw was the "letterboxed" version of the film...
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92. "Simply Put.. This is one of the best DC comic moves ever!"
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93. "Just returned from it (some SPERLERZ)"
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So the machine was called S.Q.U.I.D- I see what you did there.

Performances were all pretty strong, with Jackie Earle Haley rightly getting most of the critical praise. Crudup and Goode were good too, I agree with whoever said the OGN Adrian was kind of like a pre-Scientology Tom Cruise. Malin Ackerman was the weakest (titties were nice though.) She wasn't bad, but she never really conveyed the sense of frustration @ Jon that was such a huge part of Laurie's character. Then again, maybe that wasn't her fault. And the dude who played Nixon is no Frank Langella. Hell, he isn't even the guy who played Nixon on Futurama.

Zack Snyder, like Nas before him, needs to stay away from sex. The sex scene in the owl ship was the most unintentionally hilarious "serious" sex scene since Leonitis giving it to his wife in 300.

The changes from the graphic novel to the film were all okay and IMO necessary. I really didn't have a problem with the lack of giant squid, the lack of the prison psychiatrist's personal life, etc. The only things I would have liked to see included that didn't make the cut would have been Manhattan and Adrian's last conversation (since it reveals that for as confident and assured as he was, Adrian still had a shred of doubt that what he did was unforgivably fucked up. It also served as a sort of fitting punishment for him, that he needed reassurance from the one entity on earth who knew more than he did and he didn't get it.) and maybe a little something more in the way of background on the New Fronteirsman, since it does kinda play a big role in the end. But those are both fairly minor points.

And Zoo's right, there's no way they could have included the Black Freighter stuff without completely fucking up the flow. It would not have worked, like, at all.

Very well shot, visually stunning. I was worried the whole sloooow thenfastthen sloooooow fight sequence thing would be overused or gimmicky, but it was neither. It worked.

The pacing didn't really bother me. I see what Longo was saying, but IMO it was fine. I never felt it drag, the flashbacks all came at appropriate times, and it didn't feel like damn near 3 hours. Never once checked the time, and I was expecting to.

Overall, I'd say this met, but did not exceed my expectations (which had been fluctuating all week) and would recommend this. But the asshat from chud who compared it to the Godfather should have taken it down about 8,000 notches. Right today, though, it's probably better than The Dark Knight (though I'll need to see Watchmen a second time at a much later date before I'm 100% positive of that.)

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94. "read his review again"
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to see the context with which it was referred to godfather 2

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96. "Exactly"
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>The only things I would have liked to see
>included that didn't make the cut would have been Manhattan
>and Adrian's last conversation (since it reveals that for as
>confident and assured as he was, Adrian still had a shred of
>doubt that what he did was unforgivably fucked up. It also
>served as a sort of fitting punishment for him, that he needed
>reassurance from the one entity on earth who knew more than he
>did and he didn't get it.)

Especially that 'it never ends' line which is key.

>So the machine was called S.Q.U.I.D- I see what you did
>there

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128. "Bingo"
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>Especially that 'it never ends' line which is key.

They did kind of throw it in there, but it's not the same coming out of Laurie's mouth.

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142. "Nope, not at all."
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I guess they took it out b/c of the whole Dr. Manhattan frame up thing. I felt he wasn't the same omniscient dick in the film that he was in the book. In the film it felt like he was more convinced that Veidts plan would work, but in the book he is still 'out-of-touch'.

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102. "Some disagreements:"
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>She wasn't bad, but
>she never really conveyed the sense of frustration @ Jon that
>was such a huge part of Laurie's character.

I got that in spades.

>Zack Snyder, like Nas before him, needs to stay away from sex.
>The sex scene in the owl ship was the most unintentionally
>hilarious "serious" sex scene since Leonitis giving it to his
>wife in 300.

I think he meant for it to be funny. Whether or not that's appropriate is completely up for debate, but the song cue and where it's placed imo is intended to get the laugh that it does.

The only things I would have liked to see
>included that didn't make the cut would have been Manhattan
>and Adrian's last conversation (since it reveals that for as
>confident and assured as he was, Adrian still had a shred of
>doubt that what he did was unforgivably fucked up. It also
>served as a sort of fitting punishment for him, that he needed
>reassurance from the one entity on earth who knew more than he
>did and he didn't get it.)

I got that Adrian felt that way, without whatever is in the book.

I never felt it drag, the
>flashbacks all came at appropriate times, and it didn't feel
>like damn near 3 hours.

I definitely think it feels like 3 hours, though I'm still thinking about the film today, which is a sign that I wasn't disinterested.

Right
>today, though, it's probably better than The Dark Knight
>(though I'll need to see Watchmen a second time at a much
>later date before I'm 100% positive of that.)

I actually will agree with this. About 1000% more ambitious at bare minimum.

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126. "RE: Some disagreements:"
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>>She wasn't bad, but
>>she never really conveyed the sense of frustration @ Jon
>that
>>was such a huge part of Laurie's character.
>
>I got that in spades.

Agree to disagree, I just wasn't feeling her outrage enough.

>>Zack Snyder, like Nas before him, needs to stay away from
>sex.
>>The sex scene in the owl ship was the most unintentionally
>>hilarious "serious" sex scene since Leonitis giving it to
>his
>>wife in 300.
>
>I think he meant for it to be funny. Whether or not that's
>appropriate is completely up for debate, but the song cue and
>where it's placed imo is intended to get the laugh that it
>does.

If that's the case, I'm fine with it. The song really is what pushed it over the top in the comedy department, so you may be right there. Though the rest of the film had a lot of on the nose song placement (The Times They Are a Changing, All Along The Watchtower)

>The only things I would have liked to see
>>included that didn't make the cut would have been Manhattan
>>and Adrian's last conversation (since it reveals that for as
>>confident and assured as he was, Adrian still had a shred of
>>doubt that what he did was unforgivably fucked up. It also
>>served as a sort of fitting punishment for him, that he
>needed
>>reassurance from the one entity on earth who knew more than
>he
>>did and he didn't get it.)
>
>I got that Adrian felt that way, without whatever is in the
>book.

When Dan was punching him in the face and he sat there and took it? I could see that as him allowing himself to be punished for what he did, but I never really got that he still had doubts about his plan.

>I never felt it drag, the
>>flashbacks all came at appropriate times, and it didn't feel
>>like damn near 3 hours.
>
>I definitely think it feels like 3 hours, though I'm still
>thinking about the film today, which is a sign that I wasn't
>disinterested.

Maybe it's me. I rarely feel movies dragging in the first hour, even when it's a brutally boring film.

>Right
>>today, though, it's probably better than The Dark Knight
>>(though I'll need to see Watchmen a second time at a much
>>later date before I'm 100% positive of that.)
>
>I actually will agree with this. About 1000% more ambitious at
>bare minimum.

My second viewing of TDK (couple months ago on DVD) brought my opinion of it down a little bit. I have no idea what I'll think of Watchmen upon second viewing, it might make me like it more or a whole lot less. No idea.

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119. "i think it was intentional, but still was poorly done"
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>
>Zack Snyder, like Nas before him, needs to stay away from sex.
>The sex scene in the owl ship was the most unintentionally
>hilarious "serious" sex scene since Leonitis giving it to his
>wife in 300.
>

  

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130. "i would have liked to see this too"
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The only things I would have liked to see
>included that didn't make the cut would have been Manhattan
>and Adrian's last conversation (since it reveals that for as
>confident and assured as he was, Adrian still had a shred of
>doubt that what he did was unforgivably fucked up. It also
>served as a sort of fitting punishment for him, that he needed
>reassurance from the one entity on earth who knew more than he
>did and he didn't get it.)

  

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95. "THE ENDING WAS SUCH TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT!"
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WAY TO RUIN AN EPIC MASTERPIECE, ASSHOLES!!!

  

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104. "Hey man..you're not really photogenic...I'm sorry."
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but we've got you in mind for the remake of Cloverfield in 2014.

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117. "Uh....Clark...Squid is a woman. Be careful."
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fka nope

  

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97. "i liked seein a book i loved made into film, but it was pretty boring..."
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most of it simply doesn't translate well to the screen and unless you're an extreme fan of the book( i mean, i loved the book and still was kinda bored) , it's not very entertaining...

peeps was walkin out early den a mug, and to be as bogged down as it was at frikkin 3 hours, i couldn't blame em...everything that didn't include Rory or the Comedian felt flat...in the end the reveals didn't didn't feel like they felt in the book, and as things were progressin i could feel the audience thinking "so the fuck what?"...i left the theater mad on two fronts: 1 that it felt so boring, and 2 that people are gonna see this movie and say "wtf was that?" and never check out the infinitely superior book

all that said, i would proudly cop the DVD, cause this is a home theater/rewatch kinda movie...

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105. "lol what was boring? This isn't your typical comic book flick."
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You should know that being a fan..it was pretty much line for line shot for shot..what were you expecting?

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143. "calm down fella...."
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the movie was boring, the book is not...yeah, they pulled in almost everything from the book but to me it didn't transcribe well on screen..most of the time i kept thinking about moore's argument that many, if not all of books are simply meant to be fully enjoyed in the comic medium...

as a fan i knew what i was gettin into and already knowing that his previous books brought to the silver screen didn't transcribe well, this didn't surprise me either...

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296. "actually, thanks now i have faith to finish the novel"
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i only got like 10 percent in and went and saw the movie. I liked it mostly but it took away some of my interest to finish the novel... until i read what you just wrote. Even though the music was probably fitting, it distracted me only because alot of those old tracks are already etched into my head with other memories.
Some of the sequences were far out though, they did a good job.
But yeah, I was ready to skip the book feeling burnt out after watching that, but will give it a chance, thanks for that.

  

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98. "Hrmm......my two cents on Watchmen...."
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I don't know if anyone else felt this way but I thought the Comedian was horribly done. Everyone else had moments but I thought the Comedian didn't come off with the same disturbing tone in those flashbacks like in the book.

Overall, I think Zack Snyder's style was too flashy and overdone on the visual end. All of the slow motion could've been cut down to a minimum.

Furthermore, the fight scenes were actually too choreographed. I personally prefer fight scenes that look like a real fight. In other words, I like fight scenes that are more ugly and loose. And the gore effects were out of place and cartoony.

Another gripe I had was that the cast didn't really seem to have any sort of chemistry. Especially Nite-Owl and Silk Spectre. A lot of the subtleties of their characters ended up lost in translation. I didn't hate Ozy the way some people did but I do wish he wasn't undersized. That role really required someone like a Brad Pitt.

  

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106. "the cartoony aspects of the film are what helped it translate"
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well to film..if not this would've been a shitty sundance flick with billy crudup in blue makeup.

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107. "I disagree....."
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Scenes like the one where Dan and Laurie defend themselves in an alley were more gruesome than they needed to be. Watchmen already was going to have graphic scenes anyway. I didn't really see the point of adding to that.
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100. "delivered the goods"
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yeah man, it exceeded expectations. will see again. loved it!

only beef was w/music selections. just dumb & odd. adrian v iococa = "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" (muzac remix), dan finally gets an erection = "Hallelujah" (not jeff buckley ver), pretty overt stuff... 99 Luft Balons was cool tho.

but all in all, incredible & will see again.

  

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124. "i know a lot of those songs came from the comic"
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all along the watch tower i know is referenced in the comic

can't remember some of the others, but i'm pretty sure at least a few were from the comic directly

  

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342. "lmao at "not Jeff Buckley" version"
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103. "$25 mil on Friday, looks to make around $60 mil this weekend."
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There's not any competition next weekend for the type of audience that will see Watchmen, so we'll see how it does next weekend... it'll need some legs to be the hit WB wants it to be.

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123. "i don't see this having legs"
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it is not particularly audience friendly, i heard a lot of people complaining about length walking out the theatre

  

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139. "agreed."
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fka nope

  

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141. "It will probably drop pretty significantly week 2"
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146. "Well, it has ZERO competiton Week 2."
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But the next week has the Nic Cage action thriller AND I Love You Man, so... yeah, it better hope for a strong second weekend.

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112. "that was a hot mess.... extremely disappointing"
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i hadnt real the novel for what its worth... but that was pretty bad.

there was a good movie in there somewhere... but overall, it was a mess.

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116. "you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie"
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120. "basically."
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the score was terrible too.

The casting wasn't up to par, outside of Rorschach; I think the Comedian might of been solid too, if they didn't butcher his scenes with slow motion & randomness.

The first half of the movie was disjointed & the second half was rushed.

All that being said, I think the average movie goer might think it was a decent flick, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to (as a reader of the GN).

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122. "RE: basically."
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>the score was terrible too.

Damn forgot about this... It was horrible. Ninety Nine love balloons? Really? The song choices seemed a little too obvious, kind of a shame because I actually liked the music in the trailers.

  

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171. "RE: basically."
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>>the score was terrible too.
>
>Damn forgot about this... It was horrible. Ninety Nine love
>balloons? Really? The song choices seemed a little too
>obvious, kind of a shame because I actually liked the music in
>the trailers.

The song is called "99 luft ballons" translated in English (from German) "99 red balloons". Do you know what that song is about? It's about the fall of the Berlin Wall, the symbolic end of the Cold War. Seeing that the movie was based in the mid eighties, and had this whole "world peace" theme, does that seem so out of place? Just askin...

  

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174. "RE: basically."
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No it makes sense, doesn't mean it's not cliche and a little out of place in context to the scene.

  

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115. "Slate's Alternate Watchmen"
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http://www.slate.com/id/2212953/

My favorite ones are if Apatow and Almodovar had directed Watchmen. I would love to see Wes Anderson's Watchmen.

  

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140. "LMFAO @ Sofia Coppola."
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121. "Don't read the comic before seeing the movie"
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SPOILERS?



I couldn't watch it without constantly comparing it to the book, that was my bad. Zach Snyder's bad came in sticking so close to the source material that it's impossible not to constantly compare it to the book.

While watching it I kinda wished they did make some major changes so I could say to myself: yes this is the movie version, get over it, that was the book, this is new and different and stands on it's own legs.

It wasn't all bad though, I actually did like the Minutemen montage in the beginning- The Comedian as sniper on the grassy knoll? Cool! Yeah in the book it's implied, shorthand to build upon the mythology of the character. But to see it play out onscreen and juxtapose this comic character with a real life tragedy, place him in context of visuals people are familiar with? Nice, artistic.

Rorschach? I thought he was done as well as possible, voice didn't bother me. The Comedian? fucking scarier and an even bigger monster onscreen.

What didn't work for me? Actors acting like they're in a comic book movie- the female actors in particular felt mad campy to me... I don't know if that was what Snyder was going for or if they're just bad actors.

Half the violence was totally unnecessary. Technically the book is just as violent, but it's reeled in by the flatness of the printed page, onscreen it just feels weird. Rorschach putting the cleaver into the child killer's head 3 times kinda took the poetry out of the whole scene... I don't get why Snyder stuck so close in other parts and not this one.

Adrian Veidt: sleazy asshole from the get. Kinda wished they eased up and made him just a little more likeable in the movie, at least in the beginning just so it wasn't so obvious that he was the "bad" guy. I really couldn't look at that actor without thinking about the Bronson Pinchot character from Beverly Hills Cop. The people I saw it with (never read the book) just kept referring to him as the "gay" guy afterwards. Totally not believable that he could take out the Comedian, not that gay dudes can't kick someone's ass, just not that twerpy looking gay dude. The ending with Nite Owl giving him the "this is what you have to live with" speech? Like Veidt could give a shit coming from him... No, that works way better in the book when he seeks validation from Dr. Manhattan and comes up short.

Which leaves me torn on what to think of the movie, I guess it's relatively well done for what it is but seems totally redundant and pointless compared to the book. I totally get why Alan Moore wanted nothing to do with it, you can put it on screen but it doesn't make it any better. In the end it's like seeing a really good cover band when the original band is still around and making great music.

  

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131. "This is key"
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> The ending with Nite Owl
>giving him the "this is what you have to live with" speech?
>Like Veidt could give a shit coming from him... No, that works
>way better in the book when he seeks validation from Dr.
>Manhattan and comes up short.

Adrian never saw Dan as an equal, because he didn't see any person on earth as an equal. The only one who could have given him reassurance was Manhattan.

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135. "RE: This is key"
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Yup. I ended up getting all Comic Book Guy and pointing out that difference to the people I saw it with who didn't read the book and even they thought that made more sense. Damn I hate being Comic Book Guy because I really wanted it to be awesome.

  

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125. "total mixed bag"
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i'm a big fan of the comic, but i think they needed to cut out quite a bit to adapt it to the film medium. the movie suffered from serious pacing issues, and the length was an issue to most people in the theater. in all, they were probably too faithful to the comic.

that being said, there were several positives. rorschach was great, although i would have enjoyed seeing more about his relationship with the shrink, and how he basically makes him lose faith in humanity and himself. i was a big fan of the backstory behind dr. manhattan (when he is on mars, recalling his relationship w/ jenny slater). dreiberg was portrayed well, comedian was an asshole, yadda yadda yadda.

i thought they shortchanged ozymandias alexander obsession, and has been previously discussed made his character completely unlikeable. i'm interested in seeing the black freighter piece snyder made because it was one of my favorite parts of the source material. visually, the movie looked great, and i'd be interested in checking it out on imax. no hollis mason murder? no SQUID?!?! (just kidding there, i think they had to change the ending for the movie and actually handled it surprisingly well). at times it was unnecessarily violent.

and its strange, because i thought as a moviegoer, the film was too long, but as a fan of the comic, they left out many things i was hoping they'd explore.

all in all, i don't know if a 2-3 hour movie is the best format to adapt watchmen. as was also mentioned earlier, much of the nuance of the comic is thrown into the movie haphazardly, in references that only a reader of the book would understand (e.g. commercials for "nostalgia" cologne). i'm thinking they should have made it longer, but episodic...6 part miniseries maybe? i know that's likely totally unrealistic from a budget standpoint, but i feel they could have better captured the sprawling nature of the comic without the pacing issues from which the movie suffered. they could have included all of the nuance without seeming cheap or making the end product feel overbloated

in the end...B-, and that's probably only because i read the book. i probably would not have enjoyed it as much without that frame of reference.

  

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136. "RE: total mixed bag"
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>and its strange, because i thought as a moviegoer, the film
>was too long, but as a fan of the comic, they left out many
>things i was hoping they'd explore.

They sorta tried too hard to please both extremes and ended up coming out with something neither here nor there.

  

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127. "Should I read it first?"
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I'm at a real dilemma.
What do you all think?

  

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129. "don't know if you should read it first, but definitely read it"
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at some point. the book is phenomenal

  

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133. "I say see it first then read n/m"
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137. "See the movie first"
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It might heighten your appreciation for the movie, and it won't hurt your appreciation of the book any.

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cool, that sounds good to me, thanks

  

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204. "Read it, then don't see the movie."
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303. "definitely read it first."
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the impact of certain things & key moments in the book will be much better served by reading it first I think. plus you will understand what is going on in the movie alot better if you read it first.



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144. "liked it, plus thoughts (spoilers)..."
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came in having read the novel.

ozy's speech about alexander came too early. i thought that was essential in making his plans feel more grandiose. and there was no "i did it!" boo.

i agree with above posters about the "it never ends" line. the ending in the movie sort of reduces the moral ambiguity of the story. and there's a little ad hominem in terms of dreiberg using rorschach's death as reason to be mad at veidt. i figured he was pretty much cool with the squid s*** in the book; i mean, he was busy with laurie. it matters because it colors opinion of veidt, who, in reading the novel, wasn't as pathetic a figure as he was in the movie.

this may sound stupid, but it felt a little too "play-by-play" to me.

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145. "makes me want to read the book."
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I feel like there's a lot of things/relationships that I missed cause I haven't read the book. How did the original watchmen in the 40's get together? Why was there a second watchmen group? Were Veidt and Dr. Manhattan the only ones with supernatural powers? Why in the world would Night Owl take Dr. M's sloppy sloppy seconds esp when it was obvious that she was still in love with Manhattan? Where the fuck did that 'egyptian' cat come from? What's Veidt's connection with Egypt?

All in all I liked it, though the music/score was TERRIBLE. Ride of the Valkyries + All Along the Watchtower + Leonard Cohen + Sound of Silence = *vomits* I think you could have easily improved the movie 20% with a better soundtrack, all of the songs I recognized were so kitschy and overused, and not in an ironic sort of way either.

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147. "Answers unless you wanna read the OGN and get the answers yourself"
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>How did the original
>watchmen in the 40's get together?

The first Silk Specter (or was it the other broad?)hired an agent/publicist that set up ads in the papers calling out anybody interested in crime fighting.

Why was there a second
>watchmen group?

They were simply influenced by the early masked vigilantes.


Were Veidt and Dr. Manhattan the only ones
>with supernatural powers?

Only Dr. Manhattan has superpowers. Veidt is just a really, really sick dude.

Why in the world would Night Owl
>take Dr. M's sloppy sloppy seconds esp when it was obvious
>that she was still in love with Manhattan?

'cause he's a schumcky dude. He's lived his whole life being a coward and now he had a broad that he can actually pull in, so why not?


Where the fuck did
>that 'egyptian' cat come from? What's Veidt's connection with
>Egypt?

Are you talking about Ozymandias? Uhm, Adrian Veidt is Ozymandias. He named himself after the Egyptian pharaoh.


>All in all I liked it, though the music/score was TERRIBLE.
>Ride of the Valkyries + All Along the Watchtower + Leonard
>Cohen + Sound of Silence = *vomits* I think you could have
>easily improved the movie 20% with a better soundtrack, all of
>the songs I recognized were so kitschy and overused, and not
>in an ironic sort of way either.

Well, most of those songs (if not all of them, i can't recall)are referenced in the book.

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148. "RE: makes me want to read the book."
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Were Veidt and Dr. Manhattan the only ones
>with supernatural powers?

veidt is the world's smartest man, and incredibly successful in business, and also something close to the world's strongest man (per the book, this wasnt explored as much in the movie), but manhattan is the only one with conventional supernatural poewrs

Where the fuck did
>that 'egyptian' cat come from?

that was bubastis, veidts pet, some kind of lynx. pretty sure in the book veidt said he created it through some gene manipulation or something like that

What's Veidt's connection with
>Egypt?

stems from his alexander the great obsession, which was only alluded to in the movie, and not explored like in the book. in general, the movie i felt shortchanged ozymandias motivation and backstory

>All in all I liked it, though the music/score was TERRIBLE.
>Ride of the Valkyries + All Along the Watchtower + Leonard
>Cohen + Sound of Silence = *vomits* I think you could have
>easily improved the movie 20% with a better soundtrack, all of
>the songs I recognized were so kitschy and overused, and not
>in an ironic sort of way either.

cosign. some of them worked, but the songs were too popular, in my opinion, and distracted moderately from the movie

  

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175. "the songs were too "popular?""
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Ah, good old OKP.

The songs were meant to be familiar to all viewers so that they could realize that they are still in a sort of suspended 1960s state of the world.

I'm sorry that they weren't playing Arcade Fire or whatever the fuck you want.

  

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178. "they were playing some of the most popular songs of all time"
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>I'm sorry that they weren't playing Arcade Fire or whatever
>the fuck you want.

i wasn't asking for them to play some indy shit, and there's nothing specifically i "wanted" to hear...the point is some songs are so ingrained in the popular consciousness that they can't act any longer as an accompanying piece. there were several songs in the movie like that including:

sounds of silence
all along the watchtower
99 red balloons
hallelujah
the times they are a-changin

now, some of these worked really well, some not as much. the dylan song was pretty spot-on, and i'll give them hendrix since it was directly from the book. but the other three specifically i don't think worked, especially due to their popularity. hallelujah has been used in many movies before and covered by musicians ad nauseum, sounds of silence is an iconic song from an already iconic movie, and 99 red balloons is...99 red balloons.

picking songs that are so renowned on their own can distracts from the movie. its also a bit of a cheap tactic, basically using the established popularity of these songs to translate to the moves.

>The songs were meant to be familiar to all viewers so that
>they could realize that they are still in a sort of suspended
>1960s state of the world.

i get this, but still, there are thousands and thousands of songs out there (including many used in the book that didn't make it to the movie) that could convey that same mood without bringing with them the added baggage of having been massive pop hits or being on every list of "the greatest songs of all time." and i prefer songs that are NOT familiar to me in movies, or at least not songs that i and anyone who hasn't been living under a rock have heard thousands of times before

  

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149. "RE: makes me want to read the book."
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>I feel like there's a lot of things/relationships that I
>missed cause I haven't read the book. How did the original
>watchmen in the 40's get together? Why was there a second
>watchmen group?

i never read the book myself, but i think it was mentioned in the beginning after the opening credits when the original nite owl and nite owl II was reflecting on "the good ol days"....the original nite owl was explaining because of stories of pirates and such inspired them to become masked heros and fight crime (it's sorta of like how comic book era generally started in the 1st place)

as for how the next generation of watchmen emerge, you saw from the opening credits on whut happened to all the original "minutemen" they either gone crazy, murdered, or retired...at the time, it was obvious that the government still needed "superheros" due ending vietnam, so the next batch were enlisted until nixon saw no more use for them and got them expelled.

>Were Veidt and Dr. Manhattan the only ones
>with supernatural powers?

NONE of them have superpowers except for dr. manhattan. from how it was explained to me about veidt, is that being the smartest man in the world, he utilizes ALL of his brain compacity which gives him the self-discipline to keep his body up at PEAK human condition....

>Why in the world would Night Owl
>take Dr. M's sloppy sloppy seconds esp when it was obvious
>that she was still in love with Manhattan?

I don't think silk spectre II was truely in "love" with dr. manhattan, but in lust of who he is. you gotta remember she was that "other girl" that dr. manhattan left for, and she was struggle with the concept of love as a whole due to her childhood. nite owl II filled that void as well as she was the ONLY person that truely gave him some type of rejuvenated purpose

>Where the fuck did
>that 'egyptian' cat come from? What's Veidt's connection with
>Egypt?

it was slightly implied, but i feel it was more explained in the graphic novel....in the film they listed all of the facets veidt's corporation does to include genetic-engineering (to which is argueably how the cat was made), as for veidt's fascination of with egypt. i think it's his fascination to ancient rule as a whole and how they could conquer the entire "known" world....i think they have a backstory of him in the graphic novel, but i also wish they went into detail of that in the film



>All in all I liked it, though the music/score was TERRIBLE.

i COMPLETELY agree...the score got on my nerves!!!

  

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180. "Andrian and Egypt"
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although he said he idolized Alexander, Alexander in reality on the low idolized Narmer, the Black Man who unite upper and lower Nile Valley civilization. Andrian even had artwork of Narmer. This ties into the theme of unifying the world or the planet, especially the east in the west in this case, where as in Narmer's case it was the north and the south.

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189. "Aha!"
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(pun intended). but damn good catch on Narmer. that sure was a carver of Narmer/Menes/Aha on the wall, and as you point out, he united the North and South to create the first egyptian dynasty. east/west. i didn't catch that, but yep, in the 80's the struggle was still in that east/west dynamic. which is interesting, on a side note, b/c i always perceived it as still north south with east west dividing up the world and fighting by proxy.

another reason why he would dig egypt would be that, in its heyday, it was the world capital of military AND intellectual power.

you just added a dimension to this for me. good looks.



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302. "no he didn't."
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>although he said he idolized Alexander, Alexander in reality
>on the low idolized Narmer, the Black Man who unite upper and
>lower Nile Valley civilization. Andrian even had artwork of
>Narmer. This ties into the theme of unifying the world or the
>planet, especially the east in the west in this case, where as
>in Narmer's case it was the north and the south.

you're wrong.

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150. "it was pretty wack and I'm glad I didn't read the book"
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yall niggas will like it though.

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155. "^^^ has hate in his heart..and bad taste."
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182. "you should read the book...shit, my MOM likes the book"
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186. "nah, I'm pretty sure I'd think the book was wack too"
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I know, a lot of things will be a lot more fleshed out.

awesome.

the overall framework I take issue with.

I dunno, maybe 20 years ago this shit didn't seem so cliche

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190. "maybe its because a lot of shit has bit from this in the last 20 yrs."
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that was something i was wondering about.

its like trying to judge star wars based on contemporary standards. what happens when what you're trying to critique actually helped create the canon?


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194. "and I'm willing to consider that possibility"
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but since I can't go back to the 80's and read it, it's a moot point.

shakespeare manages to avoid seeming cliche nahmean?

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245. "but listen to emcees from the 80's, or beats. some shit still rock, no"
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question, but there's a stylistic evolution.

and some stuff will feel dated, or at least, 'done before', because people have already taken it and built on top of it.

so i'm saying, try to keep it in mind, like in judging the visual effects of star wars (it was the penultimate in '77, but them helmets now? word?). but you can be mad updated and still be trash (see: new star wars - an exercise in cgi masturbation).

thematically, i don't know if what was done in watchmen had been done in that way at the time. not in that sub genre and scope, i don't think. (the whole noir, cyberpunky, dystopianism of the 80's was a part of watchmen, which brought it to the realm of superheroes).

but since then, we've seen reinterpretations, or additional building on these memes and themes for almost two decades. so a point for point recreation of the original source material may appear dated or cliched when, in fact, it was the father to all they (successors) styles, to paraphrase, the philosopher ODB.

that, again, don't mean we can't point out the areas where it may seem flat, but its important to note the timeline

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247. "and I can see that, but I can't get by it"
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mashing up political and religious themes with a half assed superhero story (only one real super, a batman clone and assorted random nutjobs qualify as heroes now?) doesn't impress me.

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249. "ok, well its clear you've made up your mind"
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but you are missing out big time

  

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252. "I'm not "missing out""
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254. "keep telling yourself that"
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Brother_Afron
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231. "Nah"
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>that was something i was wondering about.
>
>its like trying to judge star wars based on contemporary
>standards. what happens when what you're trying to critique
>actually helped create the canon?
>

I read comics all my life, but didn't check out Watchmen until 2002. That shit is still GOAT status no matter when it's being read.

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236. "were you in college at the time?"
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253. "Yeah"
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255. "doesn't count. I thought Kweli was a good rapper when I was in college"
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257. "That's on you"
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Even I knew he wasn't shit on his own back then.

On the real, the point is how Watchmen measured up with more contemporary comics. It doesn't matter how many people try to emulate Watchmen since they're just inferior writers trying to do their best Alan Moore impression. The writers that followed just looked at one of the most densely structured literary works ever and all they took away was good guys being depressed.

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268. "Kweli is a GREAT rapper. nm"
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274. "^^^still in college"
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279. "lol at this exchange"
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and you should still read the book

  

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341. "Haha...I just peeped RJ's steez...nigga brining VENOM...Haha"
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COMEDY

  

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151. "spoiler"
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anyone else get the 9/11 vibe after the destruction of new york.

the scene where they are rebuilding and it looked just like ground zero and they even had the twin towers in the background.

it seemed obvious and intentional to me, anyone else see that or was i just looking into it too much

i know your bout it bout it but its how you go about it

  

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152. "No, I got that too"
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Especially with all the flags draped over the buildings.

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192. "RE: No, I got that too"
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yeah that especially and the ramps going down into the footprints of buildings and stuff

i know your bout it bout it but its how you go about it

  

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154. "Atcually it wasn't intentional"
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That's somewhat how it looked in the book. As matter of fact it was toned down so it won't look like 9/11.

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158. "RE: spoiler"
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i caught that vibe WAY before when they should the twin towers from veidt's office window and the blimp flying towards it....it looked like the visual of the planes from 9/11 incoming to the building

  

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153. "RE: The Official Watchmen Post."
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I was impressed at how well Snyder adapted it but it's not really an entertaining film...as a film it just seems unnecessary.

I don't see myself wanting to see it multiple times like the Dark Knight...it's the type of film that doesn't have HIGH replay value in my opinion

The songs did seem too obvious...

Visually it was beautiful...

The film felt rushed and long at the same time...I don't know if that's becuz I read the graphic novel...

I mean I'm still thinking about the film so I guess that says something but the same thing happened when I read the book...

It's a difficult movie to watch and I don't know how the average moviegoer will react...

It's a polarizing film and word of mouth is definitely going to be mixed.

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160. "i agree with almost all of this and haven't read the comic yet."
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>I was impressed at how well Snyder adapted it but it's not
>really an entertaining film...as a film it just seems
>unnecessary.
>
>I don't see myself wanting to see it multiple times like the
>Dark Knight...it's the type of film that doesn't have HIGH
>replay value in my opinion
>
>The songs did seem too obvious...
>
>Visually it was beautiful...
>
>The film felt rushed and long at the same time...I don't know
>if that's becuz I read the graphic novel...
>
>I mean I'm still thinking about the film so I guess that says
>something but the same thing happened when I read the book...
>
>It's a difficult movie to watch and I don't know how the
>average moviegoer will react...
>
>It's a polarizing film and word of mouth is definitely going
>to be mixed.

  

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156. "For those of you who actually liked the movie..."
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I cordially invite you to the COTW posts. Shit, even if you didn't like it you can go and post.

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161. "Dunk's Diary: March 7th, 2009"
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Watchmen was fucking amazing. Difficulty for new people to understand entire story i understandable but also shows the depth of film and how each shot is purposefully placed. Acting on all fronts were spot on, although Silk Spectre II's actress was the weak link.

Replacement of ending worked but i still loved the original. Meaning of it all stayed the same. i can live with it.

snyder's director is outstanding. Guy has grown a lot between 300 and this. I can see great films in his future away from action films and comics adaptations.

9/10

  

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163. "A+ effort, but the movie itself gets a C"
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I honestly think the story is just too much. Maybe if they had split it into 2 movies this might of worked. I didn't like the Ozymandis casting but everyone else was great.

I'm giving Zack Snynder an A for effort cause quite frankly this is a movie that needed alot more then 2 and half hours which is why I said thsis should of been a 2 parter.

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197. "You seriously took the words right outta of my mouth"
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I applaud Snyder's effort. He was given the task of trying to stay close to the comic without losing those who have never read it while keeping it no longer than 3 hours. The problem is I don't think that can be successfully done. I enjoyed bits and pieces of it, but other times it dragged on and beat you over the head with symbolism. Also I was not fond of the ending. I understand why the squid would not work, but I was not sold on blaming Doc either.


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164. "from the other thread & 1"
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Very ambitious, very adult-oriented, & very violent

I liked it for the most part but I had a hard time following everything that was goin on. Zack certainly tried to squeeze a lot into it. I got lost several times going back between all the past & present superheroes. If they give out razzies for make up this could be on the short list.

I thought it was pretty clever the way a lot of background was covered in the opening credit montage. It's also pretty interesting how they delve into the past of the main characters throughout the movie.

Rorschach's intro is great but you don't find out what turned him until much later on. I never found out what makes the mask turn either but Jackie Earle Haley really steals the show behind it & w/o it. His voice sometimes made it hard to understand what he was saying, but he was probably my favorite character. Sin City fans should love this guy. He's bad ass & he's gotta great sense of humor.

Speaking of humor, the Comedian could've also survived in the Sin City world. This muthafucka was ruthless! I wasn't able to understand what turned him into a crybaby later on in the flick but he certainly got his just deserts. Needed a little more character development, but Jeffrey Dean Morgan channels a poor mans Robert Downey Jr. & chews some good scenery in this role.

I wasn't very impressed with Ozymandias even though I like the way he was played by Matthew Goode. I can only recall maybe 2 scenes with him prior to the grand finale which was a buncha mumbo jumbo that I didn't really understand. I found the character somewhat interesting but it was pretty one note with a cocksure swagger.

Speaking of cocksure. Boy they sure showed a lot of cock on the Manhattan Doc. I thought Zack missed out on a great opportunity for a blue ball joke at some point but maybe that was too obvious. As far as the character he's played to perfection by Billy Crudup as he's by far the most intriguing outta the group. I was fascinated by this dude. He would've been great on that old Arsenio Hall segment, "Things that make you go hmmmm" because that's all I could think about whenever he was on screen. I would say Zack also missed out on a great opportunity to throw that C&C song in the mix here as well but I fucking hate that song so I'll digress.

The love triangle with Manhattan, Nite Owl & Laurie Jupe actually worked for the most part. I couldn't help but wonder if Sally Jupe named her daughter Laurie because she knew she'd grow up to be salty. But at least Malin Akerman aint salty bout showin some skin on screen. She's not the greatest actress but she shares a lot of screen time with Patrick Wilson who holds the fort down.

Overall not a bad experience. I'm sure I would've got much more out of it had I read the book first. But I liked enough of what I saw that I'll probably end up reading it. I'll probably check out an IMAX screening of this as well because there were some great visuals. I didn't really dig the ending that much but now that I've seen it I'll start readin up on all the squid & black freighter stuff.

Can anyone answer the ? bout the mask & whether or not its worth seein it again on IMAX. Gracias



  

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167. "It's a special liquid that is not stable, thus it moves around"
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>Can anyone answer the ? bout the mask

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181. "RE: from the other thread & 1"
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>Speaking of humor, the Comedian could've also survived in the
>Sin City world. This muthafucka was ruthless! I wasn't able to
>understand what turned him into a crybaby later on in the
>flick but he certainly got his just deserts.

i can't remember exactly how he learns, but in the book its because he learns about ozymandias plot, and how it involves the deaths of millions of people, including americans

  

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188. "Re: The mask"
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It was a special fabric (engineered by Doc Manhattan) that was going to be used to make a custom "moving" dress for some rich lady. Rorshach (back when he was Kovacs and working in the garment district) picked it up after she didn't want it and made it his face.

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201. "I would say go ahead and check it out again in IMAX"
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But as I said in my review, I don't recall there being any sequences shot in IMAX, it was just the "letterboxed" format that they use... unless I was unlucky and went to a showing where the projectionist didn't use the correct projection... I believe I will be seeing it again, this time at the Cinerama Dome...
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165. ""evil" doc > squid."
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yea, i said it.

  

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183. "i might be inclined to agree"
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since the squid is a helluva logical leap of a plot device, and manhattan's supernatural nature is on par with an alien invasion as a "common enemy" to align against

  

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202. "except the squid was clearly 'alien'"
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the rest of the world could possibly still blame america for doc manhattan- especially after his involvement in vietnam.

  

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206. "except (spoilers)"
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they blew up several american cities (nyc, pretty sure los angeles was also on ozymandias monitor). would make no sense that manhattan was working for america if he's killing millions of americans...

  

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213. "pretty much."
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218. "Someone please explain the squid"
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I got the Graphic Novel, and that shit just came out of nowhere.

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221. "do you mean, why does the squid work as a plot device?"
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>I got the Graphic Novel, and that shit just came out of
>nowhere.

or maybe how it was created?

  

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228. "well, veidts master plan was (spoilers)"
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to diffuse the soviet/US nuclear endgame conflict. so, he used the squid...he thought that by dropping this monstrosity in the middle of NYC and causing massive amounts of death and destruction, humankind would look upon the massacre as clearly an alien invasion. the squid was so out of this world that no one would think it came from our planet. therefore, the russians and the americans would stand down from their aggression towards each other and unite to fight the common enemy, i.e. giant squid aliens

the creation of the squid is a bit more problematic. veidt essentially conned a team of scientists, writers, artists, etc. to create this thing on a remote island. i think its implied that it was explained to them they were working on a movie. once they had served their purpose, they were killed

finally, the finishing touch was that he included teh brain of the world's foremost psychic in the squid (watchmen fans, correct me if i'm wrong) so that when the explosion went out, it would cause immense pyschic damage to teh victims, further propigating the alien conclusion

  

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229. "Thanks, this definitely would not work in the film"
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I think it was a good call to leave it out.

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166. "wow I LOVED IT........"
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not perfect but I loved it. Maybe because I went into it waiting to be dissapointed after all the mixed reviews on here.

Also went with 4 other people who did not read the comic & they all said it was great too.

I still dont like the new ending....but I can live with it.

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169. "Am I the only one that liked the score?"
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172. "I like some of it, and didnt really care for others..."
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185. "I liked it too. It reminded me of parts of Clockwork Orange"
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Like using Unforgettable during the Comedians apartment fight scene was reminiscent of the Singing In The Rain rape scene from CO. The song placement and choice just made it more alt universe to me which went along with the tone of the book and flick imo. Not that it wasn't already implied and some songs were already used in the book.


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170. "RE: The Official Watchmen Post."
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Saw it last nite on IMAX. Liked the movie alot and loved the ending of the movie better than the book. It worked as a film to me.

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173. "zack's a hack n/m"
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176. "RE: The Official Watchmen Post."
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I finished reading the book (again) yesterday before I went and saw it and I'll say it's a good adaptation of some fairly complex material. Closer to Sin City than to X-men. The only thing I have a real problem with is the actress that played Silk Spectre. Gotdamn that bitch was horrible! Took me completely out of every fuckin' scene she was in. I give it 4 out of 5 stars.

  

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184. "I wish they included Rorchach's origin"
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and sure it would've been nice to have the squid, but I can understand why they changed it.

Overall I enjoyed it and all I can say is this is probably the best we'll get in a Watchmen movie.

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187. "saw it Friday night."
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I had to think about it for a while afterward and that's why I loved it. The story can go over the average moviegoer's head and even I found myself going blah during some moments. like longo said above i haven't read the book going in first i watched some of the motion comic up to (spoiler) dr. manhattan's leaving for mars but i stopped, and decided to just go see the movie then read the book and go back and see it again. but overall it's a good movie and i hope that it does well maybe not here in the US but i'm sure it will make all its money back overseas or on dvd/bluray.

by the way RORSCHACH is that dude!!!

I'm gonna say it right now

If Heath got a nod and a statue for TDK (which was much well deserved) then Jackie Earle Haley should get one for WATCHMEN, that dude owned that movie and elevated his character and everyone else's. seriously I would love to see Jackie Earle Haley's name get called for Best supporting actor for WATCHMEN.

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193. "RE: saw it Friday night."
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>by the way RORSCHACH is that dude!!!
>
>I'm gonna say it right now
>
>If Heath got a nod and a statue for TDK (which was much well
>deserved) then Jackie Earle Haley should get one for WATCHMEN,
>that dude owned that movie and elevated his character and
>everyone else's. seriously I would love to see Jackie Earle
>Haley's name get called for Best supporting actor for
>WATCHMEN.

i was thinking the same thing...too bad it won't happen (two actors playin comic characters in a row?)

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191. "shock value thru the roof--but i liked it *slight spoiler*"
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hadnt read the comics-- glad i didnt.

a little long, and should've been rated NC-17.
i saw mad kids and mad uncomfortable parents in there...


character development couldve been better..

i didnt even care when the chick found out who her father was--they hardly had any interaction in the movie.

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195. "But it is rated R"
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The number of people who had 7-10 years old children in theater was hilarious to me because I knew they had no idea what they were about to watch.


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196. "Hold THEE fuck up."
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See, I'm trying to not curse so much, and you made me curse. But why in the hell should it have been NC-17? The shit was R. Please tell me you have more reasoning than the fact that people brought their kids in there.

Now that I think about it, though, maybe this movie will do a good job of waking people the fuck up BEFORE they walk into a movie.

Check the running time.
Check the rating.
Check yoself before you mess your kids up. lol

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198. "NC-17?? LOL. Not even close."
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199. "RE: shock value thru the roof--but i liked it *slight spoiler*"
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I'm still flabbergasted when I see people bringing little kids into these dark violent movies.

Motherfucker it's Rated R! What do you think that means...do a little research...most reviews say there's graphic violence and nudity...come the fuck on!

I saw a little kid in my theater when I was watching it and I'm saying to myself WTF! And I saw it at 10:40pm at night...Hello why are you bringing a child to a damn near three hour movie in midtown Manhattan...we left the film at 1:30...that's an awesome time to take a child home.

Dumb bastards.

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212. "they tryna go out like bruce wayne's pops an have they seed"
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work his orphan issues out by kirking out on criminals, evidently.

there was two kids trying to see that ish when i went at 9p... theater owners was like, naw. ushers yoked 'em up inside the flick. i was like, whoa.



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200. "What do you think Rorschach would say about those kids there?"
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Parents are mad stupid. I guess it was the superhero thing that messed a lot of people up. But still, I you gotta do is look at the rating, it tells you everything you need to know.

Let's run a list of the totally appropriate things in this movie for kids:

-A blue penis
-a violent rape scene (although it is broken up)
-2 dead German Shepards
-A blue penis
-blood galore
-a dude w/ his arms cut off
-A blue penis
-a few sex scenes
-a dude w/ a butcher's knife to the dome
-a blue penis

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205. "Kids at movie. Parents awful. Verminous. Filthy. World filthy. Hrmm."
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207. "Worked like a charm"
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209. "I think they brought the kids to it cause they think its a comic book mo..."
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most people don't pay attention to ratings and most movie theaters don't even enforce the rules anyway. but most average parents who don't know the source material probably saw the commercials and there's a blue man, and people with masks fighting crime and thought oh it's like batman or spiderman. and they took the kids and saw a exposition filled, blood, gore, naked sex fest with absolutely no crime fighting. my sister who's 15 was trying to think of movies to go see and she said hmm watchmen. i told her no hell!!! not only because of the content but because of the material. like i said most people or parents may have saw the commercial and thought it's like spiderman and were shocked to find out that not only is it dark and gory but the story is so intricate and convoluted that you have to pay close attention to it or you'll miss something. basically this is not a movie for kids, hell most adults shouldn't see it.

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210. " y'all people keep forgetting the R-rating means it's up to the parents"
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if the parents want to take their kids to an r-rated movie...then that's their business....some of y'all are some conservative fucks whining about why parents bring their kids..

i bet MOST of those "kids" already read to graphic novel.....

lastly, take it out on warner brothers for not advertising it as anybody BUT a traditional comic book movie...

  

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223. "LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen"
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I am not talking about 12 or 13 year old kids in the movie. There little children. Based on the amount of people who walked out with little kids...it is safe to say that they little kid has not read watchmen. Also, why would I blame WB for parents failure to be somewhat knowledgeable about what their children are watching?


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233. "he said most kids have read Watchmen, lol."
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271. "RE: LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen"
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for one, i HARDLY believe that parents flooded the movie with a bunch of 7 year olds, 1st & 2nd graders...i sense a bit of exaggeration. kids THAT age would have to have "parental guidence" to see a PG film (hence the meaning of "PG").

from whut i hear, the majority of KIDS....16 and under probably are MORE familiar to the graphic novel than their parent...i mean, HELL, most comics in general are read by kids anyway...the 1st time i ever read "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" i was only 12 years OLD! and that's as much of an adult graphic novel as "THE WATCHMEN"

so i can see alot of 12-14 year olds begging their parents to take them to see this movie...and if the parents okays it, that's their prerogative....

you're right that parents NEED to get info on the nature of each film, but at the sametime, you can't ridicule parents in general because they allow their kid to see a R-rated movie...

  

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277. "RE: LOL at you thinking the average 7 year old has read Watchmen"
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>for one, i HARDLY believe that parents flooded the movie with
>a bunch of 7 year olds, 1st & 2nd graders...i sense a bit of
>exaggeration. kids THAT age would have to have "parental
>guidence" to see a PG film (hence the meaning of "PG").

No, I am not exaggerating at all. The audience was not majority 7-10 year old children, but there were more than you would think would be in that movie. I have no idea why you are talking about "PG" as I already stated they were accompanied by their parents.

>
>from whut i hear, the majority of KIDS....16 and under
>probably are MORE familiar to the graphic novel than their
>parent...i mean, HELL, most comics in general are read by kids
>anyway...the 1st time i ever read "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" i
>was only 12 years OLD! and that's as much of an adult graphic
>novel as "THE WATCHMEN"

Not true. The average comic reader is a male ages 20-25. Hell, some research suggest that the average reader is 28. I am willing to bet most kids are not familiar with the comic at all.

>
>so i can see alot of 12-14 year olds begging their parents to
>take them to see this movie...and if the parents okays it,
>that's their prerogative....
>
>you're right that parents NEED to get info on the nature of
>each film, but at the sametime, you can't ridicule parents in
>general because they allow their kid to see a R-rated
>movie...


I agree that it is their choice. My problem is why walk out during the sex scene or when The Comedian started beating the Silk Spectre? Had they read a preview or two this should have been no surprise.


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203. "I liked it"
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I had almost zero clue as to what the movie was about before seeing it and I really appreciated how the story fleshed out.

I'm looking forward to checking out the GN.

I remember from watching the previews thinking, "those are some bootleg-ass-looking superheroes!" and wondering if I could get past that and not just feel like I'm watching a B-movie level hero...

or Bibleman:
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I have to say, I really appreciated the characters after the movie.

Oh and the (second) Silk Spectre was smoking hot!

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208. "I didn't like it"
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Kinda makes me think that just because you can make a Watchmen movie doesn't mean you should make a Watchmen movie.

I also wouldn't recommend not reading to book to better enjoy the movie, because you probably won't like the movie anyway and you'll have spoiled a lot of the plot from the graphic novel.

  

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211. "people just shouldn't make comic books movies"
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the shit that works in a comic book is just silly in a movie at worst, and often boring at best.

an artist can draw someone knifing someone from a funny angle and write a page of the character's inner monologue, but put that on the screen and I'm falling asleep after 30 seconds.

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216. "this was Sin City's biggest flaw:"
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>an artist can draw someone knifing someone from a funny angle
>and write a page of the character's inner monologue, but put
>that on the screen and I'm falling asleep after 30 seconds.

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217. "Meh. C+. A for effort though."
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219. "I absoulutely loved it.. A+(fyi i never read the novel)"
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I see what Ebert was saying about seeing it again(which I plan to do)
To see what I didnt pick up on.

The guy who played Roarchach KILLED it. It also might have been one of the most disturbing movies i ever seen. I defniately want to read the book now. I can imagine if the movie had so many layers like that.. the book must be crazy.

It is definately not for everyone though
not at all

The parallels were all well done. Whom ever said it was along the lines of V for Vendetta was right on. It went even deeper than V did. I fully expect a lot of that to go completely over people's heads.

It was almost overwhelming and had me thinking about it all day after i seen it.

Sorry if its not that in depth i didnt wanna spoil anything. Its one of those films that you can talk about for hours after seeing it.

If you are on the fence on seeing it please do.





  

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222. "has anyone watched the itunes "motion comic"?"
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i'm watching it now and enjoying it much more than the movie

  

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I got that first episode for free and then they started charging.

  

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i've heard it looks phenomenal on blu-ray, im just watching on my ipod though

  

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226. "highfalutin bullsh*t."
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BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRING!!!!

BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRING!!!!

this movie is horrible.

and its almost three hours, which makes it worse.

the song choices were horrible. how do you f*ck that sh*t up?

only good part about the movie was when Rosarch was in prison and when he deep fried that n*gga with the vegetable oil, and then he says one of the illest lines ever: "You don't understand. I'M not locked in here with YOU. YOU'RE locked in here with ME"

damn, that was it.

everything else was pointless diaglogue after pointless dialogue. who cares if the comedian was that chicks father.

and i'm tired of movies explaining the entire movie at the end of it within 30 seconds by the characters. its bogus, lacks balls on the director/screenwriters part.

just a bad, tired movie.

shoulda just made an hour-and-a-half movie on Rosarch. sh*t may have had a chance.

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237. "This was a major problem."
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>and i'm tired of movies explaining the entire movie at the end
>of it within 30 seconds by the characters. its bogus, lacks
>balls on the director/screenwriters part.

In the OGN, it comes off as a long, well thought out plot by Veidt. There's clues sprinkled throughout as to what's going on, and how it's being done. In the film? It's more or less thrown out there. Had I NOT read the book first, I'd be like, "Um...what? He SAYS he's not a comic book villain, but this is textbook comic villain shit."

Unfortunately, with the changing of the ending, there had to be a shift in how Veidt's plot was presented...and so much of it was edited out that it just comes off as a thrown together sort of deal at the end. Maybe this is because I read the book first...but I really thought that was going to be nearly impossible to actually film...and it turns out it was.

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227. "RE: The Official Watchmen Post."
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Saw it in IMAX and I had a smile on my face throughout the movie

I'd call it more of an homage and advertisement for the brilliance of the book than an actual original movie, but Snyder NAILED it. There really is no other proper way to film this story.

Dude playing Rorschach was pitch perfect. His jail scenes were amazing. Exceeded expectations there.

The "35 minutes ago" scene was left in, which I love.

The ending, different as it was, really didn't change the overall story much at all. The squid monster wouldn't have worked. I like the frame-up situation for the movie.



A couple *minor* gripes:

-Veidt was played as too much of a prick. He really needed to be more likeable, because as he says himself he's not a "serial villain". The actor played him way too prickish for my liking. Part of his character is how charming and affable he is, even though he's a multi-multi-multi billionaire and the world's smartest man. They portrayed him as the "bad guy" from scene 1, which I didn't really like.

-The actress that played Laurie was pretty poor. Maybe it's because I knew the lines were coming and I had a specific idea in mind of how they should be acted, but I could say that for all the other characters as well, and they were played to a tee. But she showed her boobies and had a pretty badass sex scene, so that pretty much made up for it.

-And a really really minor gripe is that I wanted them to keep in the tidbit of Veidt begging Manhattan to validate what he did, like in the book. One of my favorite things about the ending to the book is that the only person that Veidt respects and admires is Manhattan, and when he begs him to validate what he did, Manhattan kind of laughs at him and shrugs him off, and basically tells him "motherfucker, you didn't change a goddamn thing in the long run".

Minor gripes aside, I was blown away by how true to the book this movie was. Props to Zak Snyder for keeping it as dark and brutal as the source material.

  

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230. "and now that I've read the entire thread"
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I noticed that all my points were made already. Feel free to ignore my post completely.

  

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241. "This was my biggest beef......."
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>-And a really really minor gripe is that I wanted them to keep
>in the tidbit of Veidt begging Manhattan to validate what he
>did, like in the book. One of my favorite things about the
>ending to the book is that the only person that Veidt respects
>and admires is Manhattan, and when he begs him to validate
>what he did, Manhattan kind of laughs at him and shrugs him
>off, and basically tells him "motherfucker, you didn't change
>a goddamn thing in the long run".

The way the movie left it kinda implies that its gonna be all good.

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232. "I think it has about 30-40 Million to make it's budget back."
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234. "Better or worse than:"
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Planning on still seeing it this weekend. Without spoiling can you tell me if its better or worse than the following films (a couple of these I liked and a couple I didn't, hopefully give me some perspective):

Sin City
V for Vendetta
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239. "I think Sin City and Hellboy edge it out"
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if only because they truly keep your attention. I'd take it over V for Vendetta. I think I'd need to see that again, but when I saw it I thought it was kind of hack/easy political commentary that they knew would sell. Watchmen at least tries to go deeper. I haven't seen LXG, but based on everything I've seen about the film, I can't imagine where it could be worse.

  

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246. "If I were to rank them..."
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1. Watchmen
2. V
3. Hellboy
4. Sin City
5. League

Watchmen is the best interpretation of a Moore book yet (although I did kinda like V). I gotta say, I'm not a huge Hellboy fan, fun as it is to occasionally watch. Sin City sort of dragged to me, and LXG was a complete mess.

  

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269. "Take out League and replace with Fron Hell."
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293. "I didn't even watch that one"
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260. "Better than all."
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Not sure if it's better than Hellboy 2 tho.

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292. "Hellboy 2 was beautiful to watch"
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but I found myself bored to tears by the story

  

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235. "8 out of 10"
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Didn't seem long at all to me ... maybe it's because I haven't read the book but I was fully lost in the story. Hell I only took one bathroom break and my wife took none... that's a minor miracle in and of itself. We both enjoy the hell out of this movie but we both came any with the same feeling for Roshach ... we hate that dude. It didn't bother us at all when Dr Manhattan took care of business. I'm kinda lost as to why everyone loved that character so much.... for us Dr Manhattan was the character that made the movie for us. But any way, we both enjoyed the movie far more than we had expected to.

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244. "RE: 8 out of 10"
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>Didn't seem long at all to me ... maybe it's because I
>haven't read the book but I was fully lost in the story.

I read the book and it still didnt seem long to me. Didnt drag to me the way everyone else is saying it did.

>we both came any with the same feeling for
>Roshach ... we hate that dude. It didn't bother us at all when
>Dr Manhattan took care of business.

Werd? Why? Rorshach was that nukka!


>Could someone please explain where these other characters got
>their "powers" I mean the way they were fighting was beyond
>just training....

They all are just trained even though the book implies Ozy had never shown his full power, and his speed and ability to catch the bullet implies something super-human.


>and what was the deal with Roshach's mask?
>Is any of this explained in the book?

In the book its some type of material that was used for a dress. He made the mask out of it.

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250. "I liked the way the first half got you invested in the characters"
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I've never understood why people complain about the length of a movie. If it's well done (which this was) I see it as getting more for my money. Hell I guess everyone here is too young to remember when double features were the norm. It was common for people to spend 3-4 hours at the theater.

>Werd? Why? Rorshach was that nukka!

He was a fuckin right-wing psycho. I hated him even more once they showed his face. I felt zero loss at him becoming an ink spot.


>They all are just trained even though the book implies Ozy had
>never shown his full power, and his speed and ability to catch
>the bullet implies something super-human.
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>>and what was the deal with Roshach's mask?
>>Is any of this explained in the book?
>
>In the book its some type of material that was used for a
>dress. He made the mask out of it.


This is the weak link of the movie to me. They set up a world where everyone but DH is just masked vigilantes but then have them do super-human feats. And dudes mask was on some nanotechnology level but nobody ever tripped off the fact it was constantly changing.


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251. "you thought the first half got you invested in the characters?"
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256. "I'm not an expert on much"
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But I tend to know what I'm thinking
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281. "RE: I'm not an expert on much"
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>But I tend to know what I'm thinking

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273. "rorschach's mask..."
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(well the fabric it's made of) is explained in the book as sort of a product of the technological advancements that came as a result of doc manhattan's existence in society.

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270. "Your taste in music (in general) and this film is on point."
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297. "Nah. I got mad attention. This movie just sucked rabbit shit."
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You can kick and scream and try and sound condescending
all you want.

'Watchmen' was dogshit.

Boring, stupid, amateurish. Just a bad, bad, movie.

  

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238. "so why was the Doc's junk on the screen for the majority"
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of the movie, he would have a damn thong on some scenes and then junk???

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240. "I took it as part of his increasing lack of consern for humanity"
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their social hangups included
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243. "yes, and its very fleshed out in the book"
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he starts wearing a lot, increasingly wears less and less, and the finally goes nude unless prodded by his governmental keepers (e.g. his interview)

  

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259. "haha totally messed that"
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261. "AFTER A SECOND VIEWING, I have new thoughts:"
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-- The good news is it gets better. Tempo was less bothersome, more puzzle pieces fit into place, and the standout scenes were still fantastic.

-- I now think that Patrick Wilson's performance is going to get horribly underrated. I underrated it the first time around. His character isn't meant to be more than how he's playing it, and his transformation into confidence once he gets his costume back on is subtle. I appreciated every moment he was on screen, and the way he reacted to every single character differently.

-- The sex scene: it is obviously supposed to get a laugh. I'm so surprised so many critics missed the boat and thought the laughter was unintentional. First off, it was a slowed-down, exaggerated version of Hallelujah, and if that wasn't enough, C'MON, the fire gives it away.

-- Dan and Laurie are subjects of scorn in the film to a certain degree, for their inability to face the truth, for their willingness to just hide, to just quit. It's why Rorschach, despite being a sociopath, is the true hero-- he never compromises, he never quits, he never stops believing he can make a change in the world by eliminating one scumbag at a time. Is this how it is in the comic book? This is what I get from the movie.

-- Little touches stood out, especially the music. In the Ozymandias attempted assassination, the elevator muzak is playing Everybody Wants To Rule The World. The photo of Comedian with the villain (forget his name) in his closet-- the relationships as a whole were clearer this time around. They're not drawn easily enough to assign simple roles we're used to as an audience, so it requires some thought and examination. That pleases me.

-- Things that were bad that are still bad? Carla Gugino as the Old Silk Spectre. She works in the 1950s, but man, when she's that caricature of the old drunk living in Florida or wherever she is, it's read so one-dimensionally. I think that's the reason why we don't care as much as we probably should when it's revealed that the Comedian is Laurie's father (I liked the little set-ups everywhere in the film for that though)... it's hard to get anything out of Old Silk Spectre and how her relationship with her daughter is. Also, my least favorite part of the film: when Comedian blows the number off of the door in the opening scene so that it says "300." Yes, we get it. You directed 300. Congrats. Second place for winking easter eggs that bothered me was the hooligan in the alley with the V For Vendetta symbol on his shirt. Yes, we get it.

-- I think this is a film that will continue to get better each time I see it. I can't wait to read the book and see it again after that, to see what is missing from the film, to see what was new, and get some perspective on that. But the film by itself I'm now convinced works. It's definitely a challenge, but it's a pretty impressive accomplishment.

-- By the way, SEE IT IN IMAX, YOU FUCKERS. It is so fucking outstanding in IMAX. The sound alone is really mindboggling.

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276. "RE: AFTER A SECOND VIEWING, I have new thoughts:"
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>-- The good news is it gets better. Tempo was less
>bothersome, more puzzle pieces fit into place, and the
>standout scenes were still fantastic.

The book's like that, too. The early stuff is so much better on second reading.


>His character isn't meant to be more than how he's
>playing it, and his transformation into confidence once he
>gets his costume back on is subtle.

Yeah, that's true. He's kinda getting looked over because he wasn't the biggest psychopath.


>C'MON, the fire gives it away.

I'd forgotten the fire was in the book, and attributed it to Snyder. Hearing about it ahead of time made me annoyed, but then seeing it made me laugh.


>Rorschach...This is what I get
>from the movie.

It's hard to answer that question, because upon multiple readings you find yourself aligning with different characters. I think on my second reading I agreed with Ozy. Rorschach's problem was in conflict with Ozy, though, because Rorschach's whole deal was fear and pain. When he ran into someone with a differing perspective whose ass couldn't be kicked, Rorschach was in trouble. It's all about the scale of what you think is in your sphere of control, and to what extent you think you can effect it. It's one of the major themes of the book, even with Dan and Laurie.


>-- Little touches stood out, especially the music. In the
>Ozymandias attempted assassination, the elevator muzak is
>playing Everybody Wants To Rule The World.

Fucking awesome. I gotta see if that's in the book. There are actually little touches like these all through the book. When you find out that Veidt is the villain, then reread and pay attention to the details in the art, there are ALL KINDS of payoffs. I'll give you one: The kid at the newsstand is reading a magazine that we see the back page ad of. It's an ad for The Veidt Method (a fitness plan) that has the tagline, "I'll Give You Bodies Beyond Your Wildest Dreams."

Indeed. lol

Gugino was terrible as Old Spectre. She deserves a Razzie nom. And yes, IMAX all day every day.

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301. "FRANK! FRANK! THIS THREAD HAS *300* replies!"
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THAT'S FUCKING CRAZY!

Wait.

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334. "I don't understand the disdain for '50s Silk Spectre"
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>-- Things that were bad that are still bad? Carla Gugino as
>the Old Silk Spectre. She works in the 1950s, but man, when
>she's that caricature of the old drunk living in Florida or
>wherever she is, it's read so one-dimensionally.

I know you didn't read it, but that's exactly how she is in the book. unlikeable, mostly.

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359. "Maybe it's the makeup then. I dunno. It seemed like a stiff performance."
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I can even see how the character got to that point. I dunno. *shrug*

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360. "It was bad acting, man."
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361. "it was as *bad* as her onscreen daughter's to me"
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I mean, the make-up was terrible and the "performance" didn't move me or anything. but neither did the old Silk Spectre in the book. Frank (non-reader) said she came off as an cliched old drunk -- lol, that's what she was in the comic!

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262. "yo, I wanna read the book with updated art"
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that old school style in not my favorite, if they could update the art with Alan Moore's direction I think today's visually spoiled generation(like myself) will be more into it.

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275. "Oh yeah, and I can't WAIT for a colorized It's A Wonderful Life."
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Matter of fact, I've always wanted to listen to Dark Side of the Moon, but it sounds like it was recorded forty years ago, you know? If they'd re-record it, and maybe throw in some modern instruments, THEN I'd be more willing to check it out.

Okay, now that I'm through with the 'casm, let me say that the art kept me away from the book for a long time. It looked boring with all the panel layouts being the same, etc. However, I have to tell you that the art in the book is great, it's just not flashy. The pencils serve the purpose of the story in more ways than I care to explain here, whereas in most comics, the story serves the pencils.

But don't ask them to update an almost perfect work. You sound silly.

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280. "I only say that because the first comic I got into was Spawn"
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its hard to look at the old stuff if you only read all the new stuff.

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283. "i read a lot of comics when i was like 6-12 years old"
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then stopped. then read watchmen when i was 18 (and again when i was 23). i had no problem with the artwork. in fact, quite a bit of it is more nuanced than most people notice (see chapter V, fearful symmetry)

  

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284. "Ah, I see the problem here."
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You got into comics during an era where the pencils were the dominant factor.

I got into comics when the writing was the dominant factor.

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272. "RAWR Dr Manhattan"
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naked blue man gets a *thumbs up* from me
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278. "So im reading the Watchmen now and im only in the beginning"
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and The shit so far is DEAD on

I havent seen hardly ANY major differences outside the excerpt of Hollis mason's autobiography(which is dope)

they got the opening perfect

  

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285. "You should wait until you read the whole book to comment further."
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And, really, even better would be to wait until you've read it twice. There are some things said/done in the first chapter that tell you a lot about the characters that the movie missed out on, such as Rorschach/Ozy exchange and Rorschach/Laurie/Manhattan interaction.

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286. "Damm, Peach, let the man speak"
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294. "I didn't realize that "FOH""
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was not part of his message. He should fix that.

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295. "Me and James Peach = Nite Owl & The Comedian doing crowd control"
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*jumps off Archie*

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287. "i think they blew it on the most powerful parts of the material"
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*spoilers of course*

as a huge fan of comics as a medium and watchmen in general, i felt like the most powerful moments were dumbed down to an almost insulting level

nitpicks:

- some of the acting was HORRIBLE, silk spectre in specific. i get the impression they just found someone who looked right and was willing to show her tits. everything about her i took seriously in the comic was laughably bad, in specific, her fight w/ jon, dinner w/ dan, conversation with jon on mars (which was just AWFUL and felt forced, in the comic i felt inspired by the climax of their speech, her desperation in the discussion was completely void of true emotion), and most terribly the talk with her mom at the end about the comedian being her father. the whole 'zap your brain to flashback' thing was so forced and lame, what a cop out way to facilitate the story, i felt like the director had key points he wanted to get to in the plot and just came up with whatever made sense.

-leaving out the great stuff in the plot, and the dumb additions. nite owl 1 getting killed and dans reaction is his most powerful stuff in the book, and its just gone. calling the team 'the watchmen' completely takes the symbolism out of the title and makes it obvious, i felt my intelligence was insulted. i thought they blew it with rorschach's death, in the comic its powerful that he finally is overwhelmed by frustration and emotion, then gets killed. in the movie he came off like a crybaby, and it was completely unnnecessary to have the night owl "NOOOOOO". the comic's moral ambiguity overwhelms dan and laurie, but dans moralistic beatdown of adrian was just stupid.

- hated the changed ending too. as fantastic as the squid was, thats just the point: make something so out of this world and horrific that mankind is forced to take notice. what was the point of the world coming together if they couldnt stop manhattan regardless? the destruction was lame too, seeing the bodies lining the streets with people you know and care for in the comic is one of the most powerful moments. the burnt out destruction just didnt have the same effect.

-and finally, they blew it on rorschachs origin story. crammed it into about 3 minutes, when that chapter is the most powerful in the book . VERY dissappointed.

all in all as a fan i left feeling disappointed, i felt like the director didnt trust the material enough, and dumbed it down to conform to the audience.

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289. "but to keep it to the OG the movie would have been 6 hrs long"
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he was going to have to cut some things out fam

I thought it was amazing
i am currently reading the book

  

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311. "i cosign you on everything you stated."
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i still believe it was a decent interpretation of the OGN.


>- some of the acting was HORRIBLE, silk spectre in specific.

yup. the fact that Manhattan said she was going to cry on Mars and i didn't see ONE tear was hilarious. i'd love to hit Malin though. girl has gotten thicker since Harold and Kumar lol.


>-leaving out the great stuff in the plot, and the dumb
>additions. nite owl 1 getting killed and dans reaction is his
>most powerful stuff in the book, and its just gone. calling
>the team 'the watchmen' completely takes the symbolism out of
>the title and makes it obvious, i felt my intelligence was
>insulted. i thought they blew it with rorschach's death, in
>the comic its powerful that he finally is overwhelmed by
>frustration and emotion, then gets killed. in the movie he
>came off like a crybaby, and it was completely unnnecessary to
>have the night owl "NOOOOOO". the comic's moral ambiguity
>overwhelms dan and laurie, but dans moralistic beatdown of
>adrian was just stupid.

i screamed, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" too since i realized Malin wasn't gonna be nekkid again. eff that.


>- hated the changed ending too. as fantastic as the squid
>was, thats just the point: make something so out of this world
>and horrific that mankind is forced to take notice. what was
>the point of the world coming together if they couldnt stop
>manhattan regardless?

i actually didn't mind the movie sans squid, but it really should've been something shocking like you said. i mean, the world's been living with Manhattan for a couple decades.


>the destruction was lame too, seeing
>the bodies lining the streets with people you know and care
>for in the comic is one of the most powerful moments. the
>burnt out destruction just didnt have the same effect.

yup.


>-and finally, they blew it on rorschachs origin story. crammed
>it into about 3 minutes, when that chapter is the most
>powerful in the book . VERY dissappointed.

this is what disappointed me the most. and why did they change Rorshach's killing of the kidnapper? that cleaver chopping was unecessary.

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The European Miracle
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312. "I went back and forth with a friend over this one."
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>this is what disappointed me the most. and why did they change
>Rorshach's killing of the kidnapper? that cleaver chopping was
>unecessary.

They had to make Rorschach's transition into full-on nutty more visual than it was in the book. If you give Ozy/Comedian a longer fight to make it more visual, and the alley fight, and the jail, you have to put Rorschach's big moment on the same level using the same reasoning and the same methods.

It worked great in the book because the book played by certain rules. The movie changed some of those rules up. I ain't mad at Snyder for that one. It's a different medium, with different techniques to get the same point across. Rorschach standing across the street from a burning building narrating his feelings wouldn't have worked in the movie as well as it did in the book.

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288. "A noble failure... which I enjoyed."
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Caught a late night screening last night after holding off through the weekend. HUGE fan of what Moore & Gibbons did, so the last few months leading up to the movie's release have been filled with both anticipation and trepidation for me. Both feelings were justified when I sat down to watch it last night.

To me, the film just doesn't plunge deep enough. It sure looks and sounds great, and provides for quite a few moments of geek overload, but aside from that...

Here's where it really falls down for me...

THERE'S NO DREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember the feeling you'd get after each chapter, seeing more blood gushing down the smiley face as it gets seconds closer to doomsday? Remember? Didn't feel that. The stakes didn't feel high enough.

Off the top of my head, here's two reasons why, IMHO:

1) We lost the newstand scenes, and thus, the average joe's take on the impending apocalypse. I fully understand why Tales of The Black Freighter wasn't included, but the talk at the newstand ratcheted up the overall tension in the book, made the loss of human life at the end that much more crushing.

2) No bloody streets of NY. The movie was gory as hell, but end didn't pack a punch for me. Manhattan and Silk Spectre looking over a crater in the middle of NYC held no weight in comparison to Gibbons' series of full, bloody, wordless pages at the beginning of that terrible chapter.

In short, the flick didn't satisfy my 'apocalypse jones' like the book did. All it felt like was a comic book flick grasping at headiness. Fun, but... eh....

My gal asked me what I though of it this morning. She loves the comic, but she's been hesitant to see the flick, steadfastly preaching to me that there's just no way to adapt it for the screen. Last week, she made the decision to wait for it on DVD, and though I enjoyed the film, I can't say I'm mad at her decision at all.

  

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290. "Walked out during the Mars conversation"
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To avoid redundant criticism I'll just say I agree with pretty much every negative thing said. Not that there aren't positive aspects (Nite Owl and Rorschach were both well-cast and well-performed), but I found enough of it tedious and grating that I walked out some 20 minutes before the end.

It's fucked up that Malin Ackerman can't even have me believe in her vomiting.

  

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298. "Boring, stupid, amateurish dumb dogshit."
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Its bad.

And not because it wasn't as good as the comic.

Its just a bad motion picture.

Just not fucking enjoyable, as in, at all.

Not even a little bit.


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300. "^^^^^^^Gets it^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

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304. "that's the thing, it's just not a good movie"
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you can't cop pleas about what got left out that's in the book etc, because all there is is what's on the screen, and what was on the screen, blew.

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306. "you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie"
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____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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313. "foh faggot you didnt even see the shit or read the comic"
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305. "you're just baiting people. you're not allowed to hate this wack movie"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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299. "i fucking hated it. and i hate it more and more as time goes on"
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i really was pulling for snyder but he really did lack the maturity to pull this off property. as a result it looked like watchmen but had none of the weight the comic had.

it was a hollow exercise with moments that were jaw-droppingly amateurish.

i don't know if it could have been better. i know for sure it could have been worse. but it was still terrible

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307. "Two things I caught this time around:"
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First: You actually see when Ozy triggers the device. After he kills his scientists, and right as Rorschach and Nite Owl start their snowy walk from the Owlship, you see the lights go bright and then go out in the largest part of the compound. Dope. I didn't get that that's what happened the first time around. I just thought he was shutting off the lights in that part of the building after killing the folks.

Second: Matthew Goode put this out there in an interview, and I verified it as true (since he mighta just been messing with people). When Nite Owl goes looking through Ozy's computer, after he gets into the password-protected part of the Pyramid Transnational floppy disc, there is a folder called...

wait for it...

wait...
























"BOYS".


LMAO!

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308. "RE: Two things I caught this time around:"
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>First: You actually see when Ozy triggers the device. After
>he kills his scientists, and right as Rorschach and Nite Owl
>start their snowy walk from the Owlship, you see the lights go
>bright and then go out in the largest part of the compound.
>Dope. I didn't get that that's what happened the first time
>around. I just thought he was shutting off the lights in that
>part of the building after killing the folks.
>
>Second: Matthew Goode put this out there in an interview, and
>I verified it as true (since he mighta just been messing with
>people). When Nite Owl goes looking through Ozy's computer,
>after he gets into the password-protected part of the Pyramid
>Transnational floppy disc, there is a folder called...
>
>wait for it...
>
>wait...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>"BOYS".
>
>
>LMAO!


'Schach was right then lol

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309. "He certainly looked very gay in his nippled costume at 54."
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
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310. "Dude, he and David Bowie and Mick Jagger all kicking it"
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at Studio 54 was a stroke of genius.

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318. "I laughed so hard when I saw that"
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it's a shame that they didn't know enough about bowie to know he was already out of his glam stage by 1975 so he probably wouldn't be at club 54 with ziggy make-up on

  

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319. "^^^ THIS guy"
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________________________________________________________________________
Enjoy the silence.

  

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320. "'Cause people would recognize 'Berlin' Bowie"
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329. "lol"
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335. "Then don't have him in it"
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I mean obviously if u have a guy who looks like Mick jagger standing with a blonde guy with hair that has Bowie's shag than most ppl in the know would get that. Either that or put Elton John, Freddie Mercury or Kiss.

  

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351. "dude nixon was elected to a third term."
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things like what you speak of are the norm here.


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315. "I caught that "boys" shit too"
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314. "Loved it"
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Had lowered expectations and was expecting some comic book type silliness but I thought it was great. Never read the graphic novel but from what I know about it, they made the right call on the ending. I actually like this ending better (again, from what I was told about the old ending).

Rorshach is a beast. Haven't read this entire post but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a "If Jackie Earl Haley had died before the movie came out..." comment. He was great, one of the best characters I've seen in years. When he gets jammed up in the apartment, I was actually like a little kid thinking to myself "Oh no! Don't get caught!"

I agree that Malin Ackerman wasn't great but I kind of expected that going in. I still don't see Hollywood's fascination with her although I've heard that she's a very cool chick so that might be it.

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317. "Rorshach was abused like an ugly stepchild by this awful movie."
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>Rorshach is a beast. Haven't read this entire post but I'd be
>surprised if there wasn't a "If Jackie Earl Haley had died
>before the movie came out..." comment. He was great, one of
>the best characters I've seen in years. When he gets jammed up
>in the apartment, I was actually like a little kid thinking to
>myself "Oh no! Don't get caught!"

^^^That's what I call lowered expectations. Nigga, my
heart raced during scenes of 'Batman and Robin'. Don't mean
it wasn't dog shit.

But to Rorshach - too bad they ruined that perfectly cool
character in a dumbass geopolitical-human-rights-morality
snoozefest.

I mean, seriously....you got uber-moral city vigilante
man running around Antartica tryna save humanity from nuclear
meltdown?

LMAO!!!

The premise isn't that bad...vigilante's can be important
on a global scale...but the execution was horrifying.

I mean....cmon..the Silver Surfer nigga turned Rorsach into tomato sauce!

LMMFAO!!!!

I fucking LAUGHED OUT LOUD when that shit happpened. Nigga got turned into Campbell soup in the middle of Anartica. I just said "woooow."

"This is potty."








  

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321. "Blame Alan Moore"
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'cause that's how he went out in the book, too.

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322. "When will you nerds realize I don't give a fuck about no book?"
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Its a movie.

I sat down, and watched a movie.


I bought popcorn, nigga.


I fixed my eyes on the screen.


And the product on the screen is what I'm evaluating.


It was poop.


Be mad if you want.


That's cool.


But it was poop.

  

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327. "you's a weird nigga."
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***
when I come around, they frown
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331. "lol..he trie to be hood but you see his nerd inside his postings"
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"Hi"-(c)Joker

  

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336. "I'm a standard modern black man, doggie"
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I'm 6' 205 brolic and will punch a nigga in his face

I'm so smart, I could bend a metal spoon with my mind

No debt, clean criminal record


Be mad

  

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347. "Does Standard Black Man come with power windows?"
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fka nope

  

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324. "well Rorschach WAS an abused ugly bastard child after all"
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>But to Rorshach - too bad they ruined that perfectly cool
>character in a dumbass geopolitical-human-rights-morality
>snoozefest.
>
>I mean, seriously....you got uber-moral city vigilante
>man running around Antartica tryna save humanity from nuclear
>meltdown?
>
>LMAO!!!

Rorschach wasn't trying to save humanity from nuclear meltdown; he was trying to serve justice in the face of a nuclear meltdown, even if it meant setting off the nuclear meltdown - "Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon." that's the whole crux of the character.


>The premise isn't that bad...vigilante's can be important
>on a global scale...but the execution was horrifying.
>
>I mean....cmon..the Silver Surfer nigga turned Rorsach into
>tomato sauce!
>
>LMMFAO!!!!
>
>I fucking LAUGHED OUT LOUD when that shit happpened. Nigga got
>turned into Campbell soup in the middle of Anartica. I just
>said "woooow."

he got turned into a Rorschach blot on the snow. the execution could've been better, but I thought it was a cool way for Rorschach to go out instead of more just being completely incinerated like in the comic.

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325. "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"
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>Rorschach wasn't trying to save humanity from nuclear
>meltdown; he was trying to serve justice in the face of a
>nuclear meltdown, even if it meant setting off the nuclear
>meltdown - "Never compromise. Not even in the face of
>Armageddon." that's the whole crux of the character.

See, this is where y'all keep fuckin up:

Just cuz it make sense in some context don't mean it
ain't stupid. And I don't care about no "crux." I judge
based on how it all came off and was executed on the
screen. And ON THE SCREEN the execution was doodie. He
seemed like a cool character, but his ending, and that
entire closing sequence was potty.

It would have been hotter if he did something destructive
and sacrificial....that would be more in line with his
sociopathic persona than some lame "standing up for what's
right....in the snow.....all before being turned into a bottle
of Raspberry-Lemonade Snapple."

LOL

That shit was DUMB

And the whole point to his character/message was a complete dud. Ain't nobody feel it, cept nerds who refuse to hate this dumbass
movie.


>he got turned into a Rorschach blot on the snow.

Corny. He got turned into period blood, actually. That's
how pussy this movie was.

>the execution
>could've been better, but I thought it was a cool way for
>Rorschach to go out instead of more just being completely
>incinerated like in the comic.

Incineration woulda been better. He was tomato soup. Shit
was dumb.


  

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326. "RE: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"
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>Just cuz it make sense in some context don't mean it
>ain't stupid. And I don't care about no "crux." I judge
>based on how it all came off and was executed on the
>screen. And ON THE SCREEN the execution was doodie. He
>seemed like a cool character, but his ending, and that
>entire closing sequence was potty.

I agree the execution wasn't the greatest. but you were talking about the concept/scenario there, not the execution.


>It would have been hotter if he did something destructive
>and sacrificial....that would be more in line with his
>sociopathic persona than some lame "standing up for what's
>right....in the snow.....all before being turned into a
>bottle
>of Raspberry-Lemonade Snapple."
>
>LOL
>
>That shit was DUMB

what he did *was* sacrificial; he refused to morally compromise and laid down his life for his principles. again, concept/scenario is great, execution didn't quite live up to it though.


>And the whole point to his character/message was a complete
>dud. Ain't nobody feel it, cept nerds who refuse to hate this
>dumbass
>movie.

the point to his character/message is the same in the comic, which is loved by alot of people who don't like the movie.


>>he got turned into a Rorschach blot on the snow.
>
>Corny. He got turned into period blood, actually. That's
>how pussy this movie was.

again, concept good, execution not quite.

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328. "What part of Batman & Robin had your heart racing?"
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Because that shit was garbage from top to bottom.

And I'm not sure you could call Rorshach "uber-moral". He stuck to his principals but I don't think he was really moral at all.

As for the Antartica stuff, I didn't have a problem with it. I thought it fit in with the larger scope of the movie. I agree that a straight detective story but that wasn't what Watchmen was and I knew that going in even though I hadn't read the graphic novel. It was hardly a flawless film but I loved it.

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330. "Watchmen was *slightly* better than 'Batman and Robin'."
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>Because that shit was garbage from top to bottom.

As was 'Watchmen'.

But at least 'Batman and Robin' didn't think it was making
a profound political statement.

And please -- don't talk to me about the goddamn book,
at all.

I don't care.

Doo doo is doo doo.


Thanks.


>And I'm not sure you could call Rorshach "uber-moral". He
>stuck to his principals but I don't think he was really moral
>at all.

Yeah, right, because trying to rid the city of evil people
isn't moral. Being personally effected by people who prey
on the vulnerable isn't moral.

That scene with the child-killer wasn't standard vigilante
moral bullshit.

















































Seriously, stfu. He might as well have been Batman, for god's
sakes. His entire existence was about his morals and principles
and how he stands up for them.

And seriously -- even Batman knows not to fuck with Demi gods.
And if Batman got turned into period blood, we'd all be pissed
because that's stupid.




>As for the Antartica stuff, I didn't have a problem with it.

Well, obviously. You have horrid taste.


> I
>thought it fit in with the larger scope of the movie.

What? The suckiness "scope?" That I can agree with.


> I agree
>that a straight detective story but that wasn't what Watchmen
>was and I knew that going in even though I hadn't read the
>graphic novel. It was hardly a flawless film but I loved it.


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337. "i understand where you're coming from, but jesus christ"
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you HAVE to be forgetting how bad Batman & Robin truly was. I recently rewatched the whole series and the last two were about 3 times worse than I had expected them to be, and I was preparing for the worse.

  

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338. "^^^ OEMADius"
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Mad? Yes you are.

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339. "*shrugs* hey, don't hate me cuz your fave movie is poop"
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And WHORE-shack got turned into period blood at the end


Goddamn that was stupid

  

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316. "Was I the only one that thought that Rorschach was terrible"
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I'm sorry but I can't take the cookie monster voice seriously (Just like Christian Bale's Batman performance). I mean there's intense and then there's overdoing it. When he did that line "I heard a joke once..." I fing pist myself laughing it was so bad. When reading the comic (yeah I said the "c" word) I pictured like film noir type voice for him, not over the top death metal vocals.

I thought the film was alright, ambitious as all hell though. I'll defiantly give credit for Zach stepping his game up from that piece of shit film he made before 300.

My biggest complaints for this film were the soundtrack, the acting and just tone of it at times. The soundtrack was terribel, I couldn't tell if some songs were counter-point or suppose to be serious (Ie Leonard Cohen use during the sex scene or "99 neuf ballloons") and found it very poorly done in most areas. The acting for the most part was bad imo, Adrian came off as this extremely androgynous wimp which he shouldn't, Dr. Manhattan was just boring, Laurie was the weakest actting but I think ZS can't direct women properly (Ie Portmen in Star Wars) and I already talked about Rorschach. The Comedian was by far the best character brought to life, they got his tone, darkness but never lost his depth or intelligence. Lastly I found on top of not getting the tone of the music, the jokes to me at times were out of place or very dumb for this type of film.

I would say this film would be a 6.5 or 7/10.

  

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323. "My thought..."
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* * 1/2

Melanism’s Journal. March 12th, 1:13 PM. Saw adaptation of one of the greatest graphic novels ever written. Hrrm. It was good but could have been better. Casting was good for most part. Funniest sex scene ever. Was it unintentional? Hrrm.

What I Liked:

* Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach. Perfect. I thought he’d be perfect when he was cast and he didn’t let me down. My favorite part was Rorschach in prison which was also one of my favorite parts in the book
* Jefferey Dean Morgan as The Comedian. He was the best person on the screen whenever he was on the screen. Unfortunately, that wasn’t enough
* Billy Crudup as Dr. Manhattan. Since it was more of a vocal performance than a physical one, he sold Manhattan’s detachment very well. Although I couldn’t help but stare at his mouth every tiem he spoke. The timing was just a fraction of a second off but it kept distracting me.
* Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl. It would have been better if he as paunchier but he was still good. He definitely saved up some of his desperation from Little Children.
* Zack Synder’s vision.You can knock him for whatever he left out of the movie but you have to give him a ton of credit for what he accomplished here. Visually this movie was stunning and he created an immersible world which was one of the things I was worried about coming in. Also, probably on of the best opening credit sequences EVER,

What I Didn’t Like:

* Matthew Goode as Ozymandias. It’s a shame because I like Matthew Goode (check out The Lookout) but he was too slight. I know Snyder didn’t want to cast any stars but this was the role that Jude Law was meant to play.
* Malin Ackerman as Silk Spectre II. I tried to give her a chance. She was good when the scene called for her to be playful like most of her scenes with Patrick Wilson. But anytime we needed emotion from her, ugh. She was just reading her lines.
* The makeup. Old Silk Spectre and Richard Nixon looked horrible
* The slow-motion. It was overdone. It was cool in 300 but here you were just like “‘C’mon, let’s get moving here”
* The Sex Scene in the Owl Ship. Really?!? Even if this was played for laughs, it was still horrible to watch
* The music selection. Not the score because that was good but aside from Bob Dylan song from the opening credits, the music supervisor should be shot.
* Gratuitous violence. I can’t believe I’m saying this but some of the violence was over the top. Like the bone cracking and squirting blood like Kill Bill. What was stupid is Snyder found any part he could to amplify the violence but when it came time to show the carnage in New York, he pussied out (Yeah, yeah, 9/11. It’s a movie. We’ll live)
* The end. No, this isn’t where I bitch about the squid-less end (like Hitler) I think what the writers came up with works better than the squid ending would have for this movie. But the twist at the end (”35 minutes ago”) happened so quickly, it barely had time to register. When I read the graphic novel and got to that part, I literally stopped reading and was like “Wait, what just happened?” I think that’s the problem with the film vs. the book. With the book, you are reading everything at your pace but with the movie, you’re reading it at someone else’s pace, Also, it would have been better with Dr. Manhattan said the “nothing ever ends” line to Ozymandias (as opposed to Laurie saying it to Dan) as it was setup in the book.

  

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332. "the opening credits were my favorite part of the movie"
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it's worth seeing as a fan of the comic. however, this is one source that really shouldn't have been adapted into a movie.

I was actually hoping Snyder would change it *more* -- pacing a movie at the same rate of a 12-book comic doesn't work.

cosign what a lot of people have said already though: Ozy was terrible casting, Dr. Manhattan was perfect, Nite Owl/Comedian/Rorschach were good and a lot of the violence was overdone.

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340. "Nope not good."
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I tried to read this entire thread but is anyone else upset they made Manhattan into 'God? '

  

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343. "DID ANYBODY NOTICE.........(spoilers)"
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- the amount of times you'd see kovacs before you see him unmasked?
- the "boys" folder on ozymandias computer?
- the newspaper vendor and the comic book kid?
- that you see it when veidt "does it"? when they show the antarctic fortress and the blue light glows then goes out, that's when veidt "did it"

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344. "yes"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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345. "RE: DID ANYBODY NOTICE.........(spoilers)"
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>- the amount of times you'd see kovacs before you see him
>unmasked?
Of course. If you've read the book more than once you'll notice this.

>- the "boys" folder on ozymandias computer?
Peach told us about this already.

>- the newspaper vendor and the comic book kid?
yes.

>- that you see it when veidt "does it"? when they show the
>antarctic fortress and the blue light glows then goes out,
>that's when veidt "did it"

Once again, Peach told us.

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346. "how many times did kovacs pop up?"
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it was clear who he was before he was unmasked but I don't know how many appearances I missed

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349. "I spotted him pretty much everytime Dan was walking outside"
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he was holding a sign a couple of times
others he was just in the cut

  

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350. "i counted like 4 times."
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when they show a top down camera angle, they show him walking with his sign.

outside of the restaurant when dan and silk spectre are eating.

after the diner

after the funeral

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348. "yeah i watched again saturday and noticed it was wild"
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especially when Ozy detonates it as they are walking up

  

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352. "as someone who knew NOTHING about ANYTHING walkin in..."
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i enjoyed the FUCK out of this movie.

like...it exists on a level that's completely different than any comic/action movie i've ever seen.

i couldn't take my eyes off the screen...not even for a second.

never got bored.

can't wait to see it again.


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353. "this is BS"
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"it exists on a different level form any other comic/action move"

isn't "it's a good movie"

because it isn't

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354. "But he still enjoyed it."
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355. "But that reason is bullshit ."
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If he enjoys it, cool.

But don't make fake reasons up.

Just say you like it.

I'm sayin


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356. "He didn't say that was why he liked it."
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He said he liked it... and then said that it was on a different level than any other comicbook superhero movie.

Which it really IS.

Mind you... That level COULD be better... or worse. But it IS on a different level, and you even admitted as much in one of your spittle-flecked rants somewhere above.

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358. "Exactly...Dude just pissed off cuz some ppl actually liked it"
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357. "lol @ ya'll overanalyzing people's personal opinions..."
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go outside or something.


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363. "^this was the same reaction my co-workers had^"
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they never even heard of Watchmen. I tried getting them to read it or check it out but none of them bothered. We all went to see it & they all loved it.

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366. "saw it for a second time tonite..."
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it still ruled.


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362. "It's much better on second viewing"
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There was so much to take in the first time.


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364. "RE: The Official Watchmen Post."
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I enjoyed it a lot, I hadnt read the novel in over a year so I regret not doing so because a lot of the nuances and omissions were lost to me. Not until I spoke with my friend and she breaking it down to me did my opinion waver ever so slightly. Upon further review I felt that, although I enjoyed the movie it probably wouldve worked a lot better as a cable (HBO/Showtime) Mini series. I think it wouldve been paced better and had the character development/background issues taken care of better. Kovacs was my favorite character in the book and that didn't change here...everytime he made those midget for fat comments in the prison scenes I couldht help but chuckle as easy as those jokes are...shit was still funny.


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365. "as much as O_E "hated it" he seems awfully invested in"
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talking about it and letting folks know how much he aint like it.

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