Y'all are about to see the importance of participation. Truth be told, I wish I'd posted a full 100, so a few of these flicks that I love coulda jumped a HUGE amount. If I'd ranked Glengarry Glen Ross #51 on my personal list, it would've jumped from 182 to 148 on the group list. Yeah, the voting was that close.

I went with McDeez's suggestion of simply giving the top-ranked flick 100 points, second-ranked 99 points, etc. It made it a HELL of a lot easier, and gave accurate results in my opinion. When there was a tie, I broke it by giving the higher rank to the film which was on more lists. If there was a tie in that category as well, I went with which film was listed highest on someone's list.

And I'll post up the Top 200 instead of simply the Top 100, because it gives more to debate (i.e. "Donnie Darko made the Top 100, and Ratatouille missed it? Seriously?" Things like this).

Thanks to everyone who participated. I look forward to seeing y'alls opinions, and hopefully having even more voters for future listmaking.

1. Goodfellas- 1978
2. Do the Right Thing- 1851
3. City of God- 1295
4. Die Hard- 1280
5. Malcolm X- 1220
6. Pulp Fiction- 1195
7. Fargo- 1170
8. Back to the Future- 1063
9. The Big Lebowski- 1018
10. No Country For Old Men- 998
11. Fight Club- 994
12. The Shawshank Redemption- 992
13. The Usual Suspects- 960
14. Coming to America- 936
15. Hoop Dreams- 845
16. Unforgiven- 836
17. The Matrix- 836
18. Rushmore- 827
19. Full Metal Jacket- 817
20. The Incredibles- 790
21. Batman Begins- 780
22. Lord of the Rings Trilogy- 764
23. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind- 763
24. Schindler’s List- 751
25. Ghostbusters- 722
26. The Princess Bride- 721
27. LA Confidential- 717
28. Se7en- 711
29. Saving Private Ryan- 673
30. Children of Men- 670
31. Boogie Nights- 668
32. There Will Be Blood- 664
33. Groundhog Day- 654
34. Silence of the Lambs- 621
35. Heat- 619
36. Office Space- 595
37. Memento- 595
38. Toy Story- 584
39. Terminator 2: Judgment Day- 580
40. Ferris Bueller’s Day Off- 554
41. Miller’s Crossing- 552
42. Forrest Gump- 547
43. Aliens- 544
44. Pan’s Labyrinth- 529
45. Casino- 523
46. The Lion King- 514
47. Reservoir Dogs- 504
48. Anchorman- 501
49. The Sixth Sense- 500
50. This is Spinal Tap- 499
51. Swingers- 499
52. The Color Purple- 494
53. Platoon- 488
54. Boyz N The Hood- 486
55. The Departed- 480
56. The Pianist- 479
57. Leon: The Professional- 476
58. Wall-E- 474
59. 25th Hour- 460
60. Brazil- 459
61. The Breakfast Club- 456
62. Ran- 451
63. Adaptation- 446
64. X2: X-Men United- 439
65. Midnight Run- 433
66. Glory- 430
67. Menace II Society- 425
68. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas- 419
69. Scarface- 411
70. Once Upon a Time in America- 411
71. Braveheart- 410
72. Kill Bill- 398
73. Jackie Brown- 397
74. Beverly Hills Cop- 394
75. Election- 392
76. Purple Rain- 389
77. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon- 386
78. In the Mood For Love- 383
79. The Fugitive- 382
80. Jurassic Park- 380
81. Trainspotting- 377
82. Finding Nemo- 376
83. Traffic- 375
84. Short Cuts- 374
85. Requiem For a Dream- 373
86. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade- 372
87. Sin City- 371
88. Who Framed Roger Rabbit?- 371
89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford- 369
90. Being John Malkovich- 368
91. The Goonies- 368
92. Ghost World- 356
93. Donnie Darko- 351
94. High Fidelity- 343
95. Out of Sight- 343
96. Gangs of New York- 341
97. House Party- 335
98. Stand By Me- 334
99. Pee Wee’s Big Adventure- 334
100. Crimes and Misdemeanors- 329

101. Gladiator- 327
102. Batman- 326
103. American Beauty- 322
104. Iron Giant- 318
105. Ratatouille- 316
106. The Five Heartbeats- 315
107. Trading Places- 314
108. Punch Drunk Love- 312
109. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles- 311
110. The Dark Knight- 311
111. The Karate Kid- 309
112. Spider-Man 2- 303
113. Magnolia- 301
114. When Harry Met Sally- 299
115. Unbreakable- 298
116. Dazed and Confused- 293
117. Zodiac- 290
118. Barton Fink- 287
119. Amelie- 286
120. A Christmas Story- 285
121. There’s Something About Mary- 285
122. School Daze- 285
123. Chasing Amy- 284
124. The Untouchables- 279
125. Clerks- 277
126. Rain Man- 277
127. Bus 174- 275
128. Three Kings- 273
129. Spirited Away- 271
130. Good Will Hunting- 269
131. La Haine- 264
132. Jerry Maguire- 263
133. Raising Arizona- 261
134. The 40 Year Old Virgin- 260
135. Murderball- 260
136. Solaris (remake)- 257
137. Yi Yi- 254
138. Snatch- 251
139. Amadeus- 251
140. Quiz Show- 245
141. Donnie Brasco- 244
142. The Aviator- 242
143. Oldboy- 241
144. Say Anything- 241
145. Infernal Affairs- 241
146. Borat- 240
147. The Green Mile- 239
148. Edward Scissorhands- 230
149. The King of Comedy –228
150. Big- 227
151. Minority Report- 223
152. Letters From Iwo Jima- 222
153. Amores Perros- 221
154. The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada- 221
155. Hollywood Shuffle- 221
156. Werckmeister Harmonies- 217
157. National Lampoon’s Vacation- 217
158. True Romance- 214
159. The Right Stuff- 214
160. American History X- 212
161. Mulholland Drive- 211
162. Philadelphia- 211
163. The Bourne Identity- 210
164. Happy Gilmore- 208
165. Risky Business- 207
166. Return of the Jedi- 206
167. JFK- 205
168. Almost Famous- 204
169. Superbad- 203
170. Aladdin- 201
171. Lost in Translation- 200
172. Grave of the Fireflies- 200
173. Akira- 197
174. Blue Velvet- 196
175. A Few Good Men- 194
176. Iron Man- 193
177. The Fly- 193
178. School of Rock- 191
179. United 93- 187
180. The Decalogue- 187
181. Field of Dreams- 185
182. Glengarry Glen Ross- 184
183. Chungking Express- 182
184. Capote- 182
185. Hotel Rwanda- 181
186. Tombstone- 179
187. American Psycho- 178
188. The Last King of Scotland- 178
189. Naked Gun- 177
190. King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters- 177
191. The Thin Blue Line- 173
192. Paris, Texas- 173
193. Beauty and the Beast- 173
194. 28 Days Later- 167
195. Friday- 164
196. Sling Blade- 163
197. Happy Together- 162
198. Brokeback Mountain- 161
199. The Proposition- 159
200. Training Day- 158

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- The number of lists each movie appeared on (was anything a unanimous selection? what movie was on the most lists - was it Goodfellas?)

- The number of #1 votes each movie received, OR the highest ranking it received

I'm not asking you to do this (since tallying this must have already taken a shitload of work), and I'm not saying I'm going to do it anytime soon, but it would be a nice addition.

Nothing was unanimous. Goodfellas made 22 lists tho. Do the Right Thing made 21, City of God and Pulp Fiction each made 20, and Die Hard and Fargo each made 19.

Goodfellas was ranked #1 the most, with 6. Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, Brazil, and Once Upon a Time in America all had 2 #1s. No other films made #1 on more than one list.

The film with the highest average? In the Mood For Love, placed on four lists ranked 4, 5, 5, and 6.

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>122. School Daze- 285
>123. Chasing Amy- 284

i'm shocked how low it is but oh well

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Monsters Inc., Blood Simple, and Men In Black-- three flicks that would make my Top 100-- missed the cut by small margins as well.

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Can't think of anything that got outrageously snubbed, though I'll throw my vote to American Pie for biggest snub.

Just for fun, what was #201?

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While there are some I strongly disagree with, I think several that were snubbed hard in EW got more than their due here.

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I thought a lot of PTP-types considered that one of Burton's best. Me included, but I didn't vote and PSAs have taught me that means I forfeitted any right to complain.

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and working it all out

Excellent work

And *dap* to PTP as well, our list is INFINITELY better than EWs.
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50. This is Spinal Tap- 499
84. Short Cuts- 374
89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford- 369
95. Out of Sight- 343
100. Crimes and Misdemeanors- 329
106. The Five Heartbeats- 315
153. Amores Perros- 221
159. The Right Stuff- 214
182. Glengarry Glen Ross- 184
197. Happy Together- 162

am I missing out if I don't watch them?!


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>89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>Ford- 369

>95. Out of Sight- 343

>182. Glengarry Glen Ross- 184

Yes.

>50. This is Spinal Tap- 499

It's a classic. Should be seen at least once.

>89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>Ford- 369

Go to iTunes, allmusic, amazon, or whatever and listen to samples of the score and keep in mind that those beautiful pieces of music accompany some of the most beautiful images of all-time. Sam Rockwell and Casey Affleck kill it. Pitt gives an underrated performance. I think the whole cast is pretty much perfect - Dillahunt, Shepard, Parker, Renner, etc. So worth it on those things alone.

>197. Happy Together- 162

With images like these:
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/noel/happytogether5.jpg
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/noel/happytogether4.jpg
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare6/happytogether/happyk2.1.11.06.JPG
http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/60/03/45/18861880.jpg

...and images more impressive than 3 of the 4 above...

...with probably the matchless Chris Doyle's best work yet, shifting saturated color palettes, b&w, the music of Piazzolla, Veloso, and Zappa, first-rate acting by Leung and Cheung, I'd say give it a go.


>84. Short Cuts- 374
>95. Out of Sight- 343
>100. Crimes and Misdemeanors- 329
>106. The Five Heartbeats- 315
>153. Amores Perros- 221
>159. The Right Stuff- 214
>182. Glengarry Glen Ross- 184

>am I missing out if I don't watch them?!

They range from good to great.

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Fuck, The National Enquirer could do a better job.

*Hangs head in shame*

EDIT: To say thanks for the hard work involved in summing it up, though.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

*wink*

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

>1. Goodfellas- 1978
>2. Do the Right Thing- 1851

see, you could've just pasted the rest of my list.. it would've been much better.

>65. Midnight Run- 433

this made me happy

>131. La Haine- 264
>137. Yi Yi- 254>
>153. Amores Perros- 221

disappointed not to see these, but they're foreign so what can you do

>111. The Karate Kid- 309

see, i can accept the Fight Club thing, and it pains me that Say Anything didn't make the cut, but this is just unforgivable

y'all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

yall niggas got me hype to see some these movies tho

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and I fucking love the Coens. but seriously, I don't get it.

overall pretty decent list though.

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as a film, it's brilliant.

Kind of like how I hate Pulp Fiction, but I can appreciate the artistry involved.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

not saying it's a bad movie. but brilliant? where do you get brilliant from? I really don't get it.

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Buscemi also. and dude from Prison Break was cold as shit.

still don't make it a great movie though.

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The dialogue was great, the story was interesting, I thought it was wonderfully shot, and the aforementioned performances.

But that's me

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Not only are the performances great, but the score is as well.

MUAHHHH

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that was the one movie I was really tracking.

Goodfellas? Yeah, okay -- that's absolutely ridiculous, but still I knew it was an inevitability somewhere near the top.

But Hoop Dreams at #15? I can only assume that everyone who didn't put it in the top 10 just hasn't seen it, otherwise it makes no sense whatsoever. I have half a mind to just up and quit this subforum over that shit. I don't even care what kind of movie watcher you are, if you can't stand up and marvel at the brilliance that is Hoop Dreams, you're just missing SOMETHING.

There's a lot that goes into making the "best" movie or topping a list or whatever it is, but I just feel like Hoop Dreams appeal is universal.

I'm disappointed, PTP. I'm shaking my head right now.

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>But Hoop Dreams at #15? I can only assume that everyone who
>didn't put it in the top 10 just hasn't seen it, otherwise it
>makes no sense whatsoever. I have half a mind to just up and
>quit this subforum over that shit. I don't even care what
>kind of movie watcher you are, if you can't stand up and
>marvel at the brilliance that is Hoop Dreams, you're just
>missing SOMETHING.

I've seen it, and it's one of the greatest documentaries I've seen. So its exclusion on my list isn't saying that Hoop Dreams isn't that great, but that there are that many films that I favor for whatever reason (e.g., a film that I'd probably be in the mood for most of the time). Really, past the 20th or 30th spot, give or take a few, they're interchangeable. Plus, my list was one of favorites. Maybe you're someone who makes no such distinction between favorite and best/greatest, but I'm one that does.

>I'm disappointed, PTP. I'm shaking my head right now.

I thought Bus 174 was gonna be higher, but I'm not disappointed in its ranking or the final list, can't hate on them, since I'm assuming most lists were ranking favorites.

>I've seen it, and it's one of the greatest documentaries I've
>seen. So its exclusion on my list isn't saying that Hoop
>Dreams isn't that great, but that there are that many films
>that I favor for whatever reason (e.g., a film that I'd
>probably be in the mood for most of the time). Really, past
>the 20th or 30th spot, give or take a few, they're
>interchangeable. Plus, my list was one of favorites. Maybe
>you're someone who makes no such distinction between favorite
>and best/greatest, but I'm one that does.

Mine was one of favorites as well, but I'm big on documentaries and so I've watched Hoop Dreams a lot. I think it's entertaining and enlightening, and not at all a chore to sit through even at three hours.

I mean, if Do The Right Thing is #2 ... Hoop Dreams is an infinitely superior film about race in America, if you ask me...

>I thought Bus 174 was gonna be higher, but I'm not
>disappointed in its ranking or the final list, can't hate on
>them, since I'm assuming most lists were ranking favorites.

I've never seen it, so I didn't rank it. Maybe I would have rated it -- who knows?

I just ... I really hold Hoop Dreams up high, and I'm always a little disappointed at how frequently it's slept on. I thought it would be top 10, but meh -- #15 isn't the worst.

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>I mean, if Do The Right Thing is #2 ... Hoop Dreams is an
>infinitely superior film about race in America, if you ask
>me...

No doubt does the content of DTRT factor in its ranking on people's respective lists, but I'm speculating that it's not the only criteria for someone ranking DTRT ahead of HD.

>>I thought Bus 174 was gonna be higher, but I'm not
>>disappointed in its ranking or the final list, can't hate on
>>them, since I'm assuming most lists were ranking favorites.
>
>I've never seen it, so I didn't rank it. Maybe I would have
>rated it -- who knows?

Sorry, (I'm misreading you aren't I?) but I wasn't implying that if HD was on your list then Bus 174 should've been on it, too, or anything like that. Just that like HD, B174 was a popular documentary in PTP and thought it was gonna place higher.

Anyway, you should see it now...no, like, yesterday.

>I just ... I really hold Hoop Dreams up high, and I'm always a
>little disappointed at how frequently it's slept on. I
>thought it would be top 10, but meh -- #15 isn't the worst.

I don't think it's slept on through and through in PTP and in general. Though, slept on in that I believe it and lots more movies should be seen as much as The Dark Knight and posted about with more fervor, but hey. I just think that not enough people participated in this poll; HD got lots of love in the Top 5 Documentaries post not too long ago.

you're acting like it's #150 or something

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#135 is a lot more egregious to me

15th best from the last 25 years is a very high spot

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can anyone on the fuckin planet tell me why hoop dreams is special at all in any damn way? jesus christ

hood ball player kids DONT make good
wow, so fuckin heartbreaking
give me a break

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And how do you rate documentaries in general?

Secondly, this is by NO MEANS a sports documentary. It's a social documentary. It features FOUR YEARS' worth of footage that is edited down to a very watchable, very dramatic, very interesting three hour movie.

It has good photography (shots of crosses at the Catholic schools, nice shots of the commute on the way in, shots of William working at the Catholic school, state tournament shots of the stands, etc.) It has insanely memorable moments (Arthur's dad copping at the playground he's playing on, Arthur's mom graduating nursing school, Arthur playing his dad one-on-one, Arthur going to Mineral College JC etc.). It meaningfully explores class and race in America (Coach Pingatore and his relationship with William, Arthur's dad going in to settle the balance from Arthur's tuition, etc.). It ESPECIALLY explores the American family (William's older brother, William's dad, Arthur's dad, William's kid, etc.). The recruitment process with William at Marquette and everything?

I mean, if you seriously came away from that movie thinking "hood kids didn't make it at basketball" and that's all, well I just don't really know what to say...

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night and fog, i guess

i judge documentaries no different than any other film...after all the only difference is that the people appearing on screen are amateurs.

well i appreciate the breakdown

i honestly havent ever seen the thing from start to finish..i never could...just bored the everliving shit out of me.

maybe one day i'll sit through it all and be wowed like everyone else seems to be...i just dont see it.

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yes -- it's weird and disturbing. That's kinda, you know, the point.

I still think it's the best movie of the 1980s. I'm frankly a little stunned it didn't crack the Top 100 here.

Oh -- and in NO universe is Mullholland Drive a better film than Blue Velvet.

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>yes -- it's weird and disturbing. That's kinda, you know,
>the point.

yes, I'm aware.


>I still think it's the best movie of the 1980s.

wow.


>I'm frankly a
>little stunned it didn't crack the Top 100 here.

it's too weird and disturbing to most people's tastes for them to list in their top 100. that was my point.


>Oh -- and in NO universe is Mullholland Drive a better film
>than Blue Velvet.

I don't even understand Mullholland Drive, and it's still a better film than Blue Velvet.

not that BV is terrible or anything. but I have no desire to ever see it again.

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>3. City of God- 1295

I liked City of God. But I never thought it was *this* good. I think the setting had a lot to do with people's reactions towards it.

>7. Fargo- 1170

I'm leaning more with 40street on this one. it's a "year's best" film to me, not a "decade's best" one.

>13. The Usual Suspects- 960

Wow. Yikes.

>18. Rushmore- 827

Never understood the appeal of this movie either. I've watched it like three times on cable, too.

>20. The Incredibles- 790

On the record: Pixar's most overrated film.

>21. Batman Begins- 780

WOW!

>22. Lord of the Rings Trilogy- 764

I honestly can't imagine anybody who read the books first thinks highly of the movies. Not that they were bad, but they just pale in comparison. I mean, you might as well put the Harry Potter movies up here.

>25. Ghostbusters- 722

Count me as someone who liked the sequel better.

>27. LA Confidential- 717

Very boring to me.

>37. Memento- 595

Sorry jigga, I really did not like this one.

>41. Miller’s Crossing- 552

Scratch Fargo -- *this* is the Coens' most overrated film.

>42. Forrest Gump- 547

LOL I can't fucking stand this movie.

>48. Anchorman- 501

Old School murders this film!

>54. Boyz N The Hood- 486

bah. Menace is SOOOO much better.

>89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>Ford- 369

I must've seen a different movie than everybody else. Very plain and boring. Good score tho.

Biggest Top 100 omissions:

>109. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles- 311
>120. A Christmas Story- 285
>135. Murderball- 260
>157. National Lampoon’s Vacation- 217
>164. Happy Gilmore- 208
>193. Beauty and the Beast- 173

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>89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>Ford- 369

>I must've seen a different movie than everybody else. Very plain and >boring. Good score tho.

went straight back to blockbuster

>>3. City of God- 1295
>
>I liked City of God. But I never thought it was *this* good. I
>think the setting had a lot to do with people's reactions
>towards it.

Cosign. It made my 100 (at # 89), but # 3? Holy shit.


>>13. The Usual Suspects- 960
>
>Wow. Yikes.

I had it at # 16. This movie was dope as fuck. I take it you didn't like it?


>>18. Rushmore- 827
>
>Never understood the appeal of this movie either. I've watched
>it like three times on cable, too.

Cosign. It's good, but not top 20 in the last 25 years good. Come on.


>>20. The Incredibles- 790
>
>On the record: Pixar's most overrated film.

Incredibles was very cool, but for me, it got cut even before I started giving out honorable mentions. Should be Top 200, though.

As for overratedness, the insane Wall-E adulation is getting close (although I haven't seen it yet, so maybe it's worthy...but I doubt it).


>>21. Batman Begins- 780
>
>WOW!

Yeah, that's high. I had it at 97. I had The Dark Knight at 91 (OKP put it at 110) - can't believe it's so low compared to Batman Begins, but maybe everyone hasn't seen it yet.

Wait, are 2008 movies supposed to be included? If so, that's actually a 26 year window (1983-2008). If not, we need to take them out...


>>22. Lord of the Rings Trilogy- 764
>
>I honestly can't imagine anybody who read the books first
>thinks highly of the movies. Not that they were bad, but they
>just pale in comparison. I mean, you might as well put the
>Harry Potter movies up here.

I disagree. I read and love the books, but I still loved the movies. The books are better, of course, but isn't that almost always the case? The movies were still among my favorites (I ranked the trilogy at # 6).


>>25. Ghostbusters- 722
>
>Count me as someone who liked the sequel better.

No way...


>>27. LA Confidential- 717
>
>Very boring to me.

Wow, I thought it was cool as shit, original and very entertaining. I can't really see how it's boring...


>>37. Memento- 595
>
>Sorry jigga, I really did not like this one.

Wow, I had it at exactly 37. Guess you're in the minority on this one, Will.


>>41. Miller’s Crossing- 552
>
>Scratch Fargo -- *this* is the Coens' most overrated film.

I disagree, but then, I didn't even like Fargo. I liked this flick MUCH better than Fargo, yet it still didn't make my top 200.


>>42. Forrest Gump- 547
>
>LOL I can't fucking stand this movie.

I had this one at exactly 42, so this seems right to me. lol
I don't get why people would hate it. Too schmaltzy?


>>48. Anchorman- 501
>
>Old School murders this film!

I agree that Oldschool is much better, but neither one is really top 100 material. They're both too uneven.


>>54. Boyz N The Hood- 486
>
>bah. Menace is SOOOO much better.

I can kinda see that argument (although I had Boyz at 72 and Menace at 94), but Boyz in the Hood came first, so some could argue that Menace was a ripoff. I agree that Menace has more replayability and has aged better, but Boyz had a bigger impact and is more universally appealing.


>>89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>>Ford- 369
>
>I must've seen a different movie than everybody else. Very
>plain and boring. Good score tho.

I thought it was really great. Normally I don't go for slow movies, but this one I really enjoyed.


>Biggest Top 100 omissions:
>
>>109. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles- 311 ----- my number 99
>>120. A Christmas Story- 285 ------------------- I never loved this one.
>>135. Murderball- 260 -------------------------- never seen it
>>157. National Lampoon’s Vacation- 217 --------- Christmas is better
>>164. Happy Gilmore- 208 ----------------------- an honorable mention for me
>>193. Beauty and the Beast- 173 ---------------- WTF?


IMO, these are the biggest omissions from the top 200 (I haven't really perused OKP's 101-200 yet, I just did a search for my top 50 movies):

- Natural Born Killers. I fucking love this movie, but it's nowhere to be found.

- Grindhouse. Yeah yeah, some people think it's shit. I enjoyed that movie more than anything I'd seen in the theater since Sin City.

- Star Wars III and II. Sure, Phantom Menace was kinda crap, but the other two were great. Yes, the love story sucked and the acting was kinda bad, but I loved movies overall.

- The Machinist and Equilibrium. Two Bale movies that were simply cool as shit. I wonder if people saw these and didn't like them, or haven't seen them?

- Face/Off. Perhaps a bit cheesy, but a damn good action movie.

- Clueless. How can you not love this movie? Clever, witty, funny, and a cultural landmark.

- Heathers. Do other people not think this movie is brilliant and funny?


Also, Better Off Dead! I even forgot about this movie, but it probably should have been in my top 100.

>>>13. The Usual Suspects- 960
>
>I had it at # 16. This movie was dope as fuck. I take it you
>didn't like it?

It's a great movie the first time. A good movie after that. No way would I say it's one of the top 15 movies of the past 25 years tho.


>>>157. National Lampoon’s Vacation- 217 --------- Christmas is
>better

I think you're fucked in the head (c) Clark Griswold

>- Natural Born Killers. I fucking love this movie, but it's
>nowhere to be found.

holy shit -- that's one of my most hated movies of all-time! and I love Juliette Lewis (literally) and most of Stone's work.

>- Grindhouse. Yeah yeah, some people think it's shit. I
>enjoyed that movie more than anything I'd seen in the theater
>since Sin City.

no fucking comment.

>- The Machinist and Equilibrium. Two Bale movies that were
>simply cool as shit. I wonder if people saw these and didn't
>like them, or haven't seen them?

Machinist was okay. Moody and worth a watch...but I'm not sure it'd even make a "Best Of..." list for the year it was released. the ending was very M. Night-esque; in a bad way.

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A lot of shit we agree on, but for other stuff we completely disagree. It seems to mostly be stuff I loved and you hated. I'll have to look at your list and see if there's any wack shit... lol

Okay, I checked.
TMNT2? (was that a joke?)
The Sandlot? Addams Family?
Those are the only ones I can really say are kinda wack.

There are some comedies I think you vastly overrated (Dumb and Dumber, Tommy Boy), but I can't say I didn't like them. You do have Coming to America tragically low.

I wasn't crazy about Trainspotting; I think it's kinda overrated. Requiem for a Dream was better, even though I could barely watch it and never want to see it again.



>>>>157. National Lampoon’s Vacation- 217 --------- Christmas
>is
>>better
>
>I think you're fucked in the head (c) Clark Griswold

lol They're both funny as shit. European is definitely third and Vegas is definitely last (I couldn't even watch it all the way through).


>>- Natural Born Killers. I fucking love this movie, but it's
>>nowhere to be found.
>
>holy shit -- that's one of my most hated movies of all-time!
>and I love Juliette Lewis (literally) and most of Stone's
>work.

Wow. I guess I can see how it would turn people off, but I thought it was brilliant. I find that Juliette is somehow really sexy without being very pretty.


>>- The Machinist and Equilibrium. Two Bale movies that were
>>simply cool as shit. I wonder if people saw these and didn't
>>like them, or haven't seen them?
>
>Machinist was okay. Moody and worth a watch...but I'm not sure
>it'd even make a "Best Of..." list for the year it was
>released. the ending was very M. Night-esque; in a bad way.

Oh well. I thought it was really cool.

Equilibrium? I hadn't heard anything about it until I saw it, but I really loved it.

I put full disclosure on that list -- after 50 I started just blanking out...looking back I'd probably re-do some of it, but I can live with what I submitted

>TMNT2? (was that a joke?)

personal childhood classic...plus I watched it for 20 minutes on cable the other day and actually enjoyed myself (which is the real test for old nostalgic movies)

>The Sandlot? Addams Family?
>Those are the only ones I can really say are kinda wack.

THE SANDLOT!! CMON!!

- "You're killing me Smalls!"
- "Is that your sister in leftfield? she's hot"
- Wendy Peppercorn!

you've gotta be either 18 or 38...everybody I know within five years of me LOVES that movie. I mean, anybody who has ever played summer baseball or was a child in suburban America loves that movie.

>find that Juliette is somehow really sexy without being very pretty.

right? I can picture--

nevermind, I'm not going to type that out

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>I put full disclosure on that list -- after 50 I started just
>blanking out...looking back I'd probably re-do some of it, but
>I can live with what I submitted

Yeah, I printed my list out and was going through it with my wife, and kinda rethought some of it... but didn't want to change anything. We decided Heat was too low (# 69), I remember that one. She said Usual Suspects should have been even higher than 16... But I digress.


>>TMNT2? (was that a joke?)
>
>personal childhood classic...plus I watched it for 20 minutes
>on cable the other day and actually enjoyed myself (which is
>the real test for old nostalgic movies)

gotcha.


>>The Sandlot? Addams Family?
>>Those are the only ones I can really say are kinda wack.
>
>THE SANDLOT!! CMON!!
>
>- "You're killing me Smalls!"
>- "Is that your sister in leftfield? she's hot"
>- Wendy Peppercorn!
>
>you've gotta be either 18 or 38...everybody I know within five
>years of me LOVES that movie. I mean, anybody who has ever
>played summer baseball or was a child in suburban America
>loves that movie.

I'm 31, actually. Can't remember when I saw that movie for the first time though - I think I caught it on TV sometime about 8-10 years ago. It didn't really make much of a lasting impact on me.


>>find that Juliette is somehow really sexy without being very
>pretty.
>
>right? I can picture--
>
>nevermind, I'm not going to type that out

word

>I liked City of God. But I never thought it was *this* good. I
>think the setting had a lot to do with people's reactions
>towards it.

Not third best, no, but the filmmaking on display in it is pretty unparalleled. In the end it's just a gangster story, but as far as cinematography, editing, and style? My god, this film stands above almost everything on that list.

>>7. Fargo- 1170
>
>I'm leaning more with 40street on this one. it's a "year's
>best" film to me, not a "decade's best" one.

Like they said above -- this one really doesn't show its true colors until you watch it a few times.

>>18. Rushmore- 827
>
>Never understood the appeal of this movie either. I've watched
>it like three times on cable, too.

Did an awful lot to define a specific "hip" aesthetic all by itself. Resurrected Bill Murray's career. Announced Wes Anderson as one of the pre-eminent talents of his generation. Helped spur the British Invasion revival in music.

That's fine if you're not personally feeling the suburban, white setting and emo heartbreak themes, but even by objective measure it's one of the best films to come out during this period.

>>20. The Incredibles- 790
>
>On the record: Pixar's most overrated film.

TRUTH -- Iron Giant better. I think I ranked Iron Giant on top of it in my list as well.

>>37. Memento- 595
>
>Sorry jigga, I really did not like this one.

It gets a little disheartening after a while seeing how few people can see it for the trash that it is.

>>42. Forrest Gump- 547
>
>LOL I can't fucking stand this movie.

Pretty shocked PTP fell for it as well.

>>48. Anchorman- 501
>
>Old School murders this film!

WRONG! Anchorman isn't just hilarious, but it's actually a pretty clever poke at prevailing sexism as well.

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seen it at least four times...I think my mind is made up on that one.

I'm not crazy about Wes Anderson films, either. they have their moments.

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>It gets a little disheartening after a while seeing how few
>people can see it for the trash that it is.

That's because most people realize its far from it.

which means I was basically just totally non-plussed.

Then I watched it more, and all the problems became more and more obvious -- flat performances, ultimately questionable editing, bad photography, painfully boring mis-en-scene, and a stupidly trite "MESSAGE" which ties it all together.

But I mean, agree to disagree, I suppose, but I can NEVER take someone's taste in film entirely serious when they ride for that movie.

The photography, for example, is undeniably bland.

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>which means I was basically just totally non-plussed.
>
>Then I watched it more, and all the problems became more and
>more obvious -- flat performances,

I thought the 3 leads were great

ultimately questionable
>editing,

I liked how the b&w scenes went forward, the scenes in color went backwards & loved how they merged in the middle.

bad photography,

It wasnt Pfister's best but it looked fine to me. He's certainly stepped up his game since then tho.

painfully boring mis-en-scene, and a
>stupidly trite "MESSAGE" which ties it all together.

What was the message? I must've missed that.

>But I mean, agree to disagree, I suppose, but I can NEVER take
>someone's taste in film entirely serious when they ride for
>that movie.

LOL. This is the same reason why I was shocked to see Fight Club so high on Will's list. You just never know tho.

>The photography, for example, is undeniably bland.

Are you talking strictly about the polaroids, or the cinematography in general? The movie looks great to me. The production & costume design blend well together. The opening scene is still 1 of my favorites ever. The scene where his wife was attacked was nicely done as well. I guess I see how it still looked a little low budget, but I was so invloved in the story I wasn't too concerned. I felt the same way about Following.

>I thought the 3 leads were great

I thought they were good, but not "great." None of the actors really rose or fell in my esteem based on their performances in this movie, which makes it equal to something like 70% of films I watch in that regard.

>I liked how the b&w scenes went forward, the scenes in color
>went backwards & loved how they merged in the middle.

It's yeoman-like in its ability to tell the story, but not necessarily outstanding. The repeated little quick snippets which lead you into a scene ultimately feel too long, and I don't like the flash editing of his flashbacks. But that's a stylistic disagreement, not necessarily a knock. It's the pacing of watching lots of the same material that wears on me in repeated viewings.

>What was the message? I must've missed that.

The monologue he gives at the end (really the beginning) about how as long as everything works and feels good in the moment, what difference does it make? It's some navel-gazing, fifth-grade philosophizing on experience and consciousness that feels overdone.

We get it -- he lives in the moment.

>LOL. This is the same reason why I was shocked to see Fight
>Club so high on Will's list. You just never know tho.

Everybody has their triggers. Memento and Magnolia (which I hate like 100x more) are two really strong bellwethers for me.

>Are you talking strictly about the polaroids, or the
>cinematography in general? The movie looks great to me. The
>production & costume design blend well together. The opening
>scene is still 1 of my favorites ever. The scene where his
>wife was attacked was nicely done as well. I guess I see how
>it still looked a little low budget, but I was so invloved in
>the story I wasn't too concerned. I felt the same way about
>Following.

Cinematography in general. Again -- it's not like sore-thumb sticking out bad or anything, it's just squarely average throughout. Personally, since film is primarily about image, I put VERY high stock in something having photography that really grabs my attention.

Memento is an engaging film because it has a very clever story, but I won't give it many compliments beyond that. As such, it was absent from my top 50, and probably would be from the 100, too.

But like I said -- different strokes. I can understand how people like it, but it generally means our priority in film aren't the same.

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>someone's taste in film entirely serious when they ride for
>that movie.

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So, say, you know of a person and so far you know he/she likes Magnolia, Memento, Hoop Dreams, and In the Mood For Love. You're gonna write them off and never take their taste, opinions, and recommendations seriously just on the basis of Memento and Magnolia? The same goes in a case in which you only know that he/she likes Memento and Magnolia before you hear any of their other favorites? For all you know, you talk to them more and these might be some of their favorites:

The Fog of War
The Perfect Candidate
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Half Nelson
Pulp Fiction
The Usual Suspects
Adaptation
Hoop Dreams
Happy Together
The Thin Blue Line
Ghost World
In the Mood For Love
Traffic
Rushmore
Blue Velvet

^Those mixed in with others you slightly dislike or strongly dislike.

He/she could potentially turn you on to other great stuff. More often than not, I just think people's tastes are far too complex (i.e., no rhyme and reason), if they're being earnest, to dismiss them based on a few movies. You can browse the thousands of film-related lists on the internet or in magazines and find that people like stuff that you'd think they wouldn't like/love based on their other choices.

Don't you think it's close-minded or rash that someone who, say, hates Adaptation writes you off and not check out Hoop Dreams or Happy Together b/c it's coming from a list from someone whose taste and sensibility has Adaptation as a favorite?

That is not to say, though, that there are never gonna be cases where for the most part you and another person just have totally different sensibilities and taste.

I have yet to run into the problem where the person who loves those films also loves the same things I'm into. For a reason.

Yeah, our tastes definitely might match up in other spots, but when I DO turn them onto something like Perfect Candidate, they're not really feeling it, and when they turn me onto some cheese drama, or some recent Woody Allen or some shit, my eyes are glazing over, too.

I mean maybe it COULD happen, but I'm still waiting for that day to come.

I'll still listen to what that person has to say about different things to get a deeper sense of where they're coming from, and I might even watch some movies they and other people recommend, but I'm NOT trying to turn them onto shit I'm really feeling. If I come at them really hard going on about Shortcuts this, Shortcuts that, Robert Altman is a genius yadda yadda yadda I would be fully prepared for them to be like, "It was okay -- but what are you so excited about?"

And truth be told Memento just makes me suspicious, but Magnolia is a universal deal breaker.

But I mean the main thing? It's NEVER happened where a huge Magnolia fan was really upping me on some shit outside of my typical view.

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>I have yet to run into the problem where the person who loves
>those films also loves the same things I'm into. For a
>reason.

I dunno, though. That's like saying only certain types of people love Magnolia which I think is pretty close-minded, no offense. (Though, in your experience your theory holds true so far.) It's like saying everyone who loves The Dark Knight is a fanboy geek that doesn't like non-mainstream or non-classical movies. I know someone that loves TDK and Tarvkovsky movies.

>I mean maybe it COULD happen, but I'm still waiting for that
>day to come.

Definitely. It could happen. What made me ask my question was that you said you'd never take someone seriously (key word: never). More below.

>But I mean the main thing? It's NEVER happened where a huge
>Magnolia fan was really upping me on some shit outside of my
>typical view.

Your experience is valid. When you say it's never happened, it's never happened so your belief holds true so far. It's just that there's so many people in this world and taste is a complex thing and like you said, it could happen.

One more thing, I think it's cool that you didn't get defensive. I hope I wasn't coming off as a jerk or some shit. My question was out of earnest curiosity, and my responses are earnest, too.

>>3. City of God- 1295
>
>I liked City of God. But I never thought it was *this* good. I
>think the setting had a lot to do with people's reactions
>towards it.

Agreement.

>>7. Fargo- 1170
>
>I'm leaning more with 40street on this one. it's a "year's
>best" film to me, not a "decade's best" one.

Disagreement. Though I'm starting to suspect that No Country For Old Men very well might pass it one day.

>>13. The Usual Suspects- 960
>
>Wow. Yikes.

AGREEMENT. I couldn't believe it was this high. And I really liked it too.

>>18. Rushmore- 827
>
>Never understood the appeal of this movie either. I've watched
>it like three times on cable, too.

Disagreement. It's a white person thing.

>>20. The Incredibles- 790
>
>On the record: Pixar's most overrated film.

It shouldn't be this high... but I wouldn't say most overrated.

>>21. Batman Begins- 780
>
>WOW!

This just goes to show you how much people jizz over these flicks.

>>22. Lord of the Rings Trilogy- 764
>
>I honestly can't imagine anybody who read the books first
>thinks highly of the movies. Not that they were bad, but they
>just pale in comparison. I mean, you might as well put the
>Harry Potter movies up here.

Didn't read the books first, so disagreement, lol.

>>25. Ghostbusters- 722
>
>Count me as someone who liked the sequel better.

Ehhhh, I don't know if it's BETTER. But I did have nightmares about Viggo when I was a little one.

>>27. LA Confidential- 717
>
>Very boring to me.

Disagreement, but I wouldn't have had it this high.

>>37. Memento- 595
>
>Sorry jigga, I really did not like this one.

Disagreement, tho again, I would gladly have sunk this film for some of my others that didn't make it.

>>41. Miller’s Crossing- 552
>
>Scratch Fargo -- *this* is the Coens' most overrated film.

As a Coens dickrider, agreement.

>>42. Forrest Gump- 547
>
>LOL I can't fucking stand this movie.

I've just always been indifferent about it. I admire it as a nice piece of manipulative mainstream drama, and the performances are great. I don't love it though... but I don't hate it. I think I'm the only one on the site who feels this way.

>>48. Anchorman- 501
>
>Old School murders this film!

100% disagreement. I think Old School is one of the most overrated comedies of the last decade, not overrated in the sense that it's not funny and people think it is, but overrated in the sense that it's unevenly funny in chunks yet people think it's better than Animal House.

>>54. Boyz N The Hood- 486
>
>bah. Menace is SOOOO much better.

As a young white man, I have no opinion.

>>89. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert
>>Ford- 369
>
>I must've seen a different movie than everybody else. Very
>plain and boring. Good score tho.

Dug this one, so disagreement. I will say watching it while tired is a HUGE mistake though, the pacing will kill you if you're already ready for bed. However, when I'm awake and watching it, it's terrific.

>Biggest Top 100 omissions:
>
>>109. Planes, Trains, and Automobiles- 311
>>120. A Christmas Story- 285
>>135. Murderball- 260
>>157. National Lampoon’s Vacation- 217
>>164. Happy Gilmore- 208
>>193. Beauty and the Beast- 173

Cosign on all except Happy Gilmore, ESPECIALLY Murderball.

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and while Animal House is obviously a better movie and Old School wouldn't exist w/o it, I find the latter just as *laugh out loud* funny

and more quotable, of course

btw -- where does it really go dull?

* Juliette Lewis in the perfect opener
* drunk wedding / Total Fucking Eclipse of the Heart
* Mitchapalooza
* Fight Club-influenced frat training
* Birthday party
* random Jeremy Piven scattered throughout
* obvious cheesy ending

the drunk college nostalgia with Old School is POWERFUL

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