first off, morris chestnutt, who i fuckin hate, is not a bad actor. this that bullshit i'm talkin about with this board. just because you ain't even seen some of these fucked up movies he stays making, that don't mean he's not talented. it means you don't see black movies is all. it's only so much an actor can do with bad material, no matter how great he/she is. chestnutt isn't untalented, he's misused. nigga always in urban comedies tryna hide behind his smile. he's about as funny as tom cruise. y'all don't see cruise doing comedies, do you? FUCK NO!!! he's an action/drama guy. and chestnutt is an action/drama guy. he was good in "boyz" and wack ass "ladder 49." that's the type shit he should be doing. but, a nigga gotta eat, so if black women like seeing his smiling ass in these bad comedies, he's gonna stay gettin bad comedy scripts.

now, on to the main point. there are PLENTY of incredibly talented black folk in BLACK MOVIES THAT Y'ALL THINK YOU'RE TOO GOOD TO GO SEE that y'all gonna be jockin in a few years soon as they get put in a mainstream joint...we done seen this shit time and again...from fuckin morgan freeman to denzel to don cheadle. muhfuckan don cheadle was in meteor man doing is fuckin thing and y'all wasn't on his dick back then...THEN, he put in major work in devil in a blue dress (which he shoulda got nominated for) and y'all still ain't fuck wit him and then he played earl manigault and white folk and uppity fake ass niggas STILL ain't fuck wit him...when y'all fuck wit him? boogie nights <-----THAT'S THAT BULLSHIT. oh, NOW he good?

if chestnutt was in a beast ass indy next year, y'all muhfuckas would flip like flapjacks up in here. ugh.

and i forgot who said it, but for somebody to say morris "had his shot" is EXACTLY the fuckin problem...had his shot for what? how did he BLOW his "shot"...you mean his shot to be one of the 2 or 3 niggas that can turn down script after script and ain't gotta audition for some shit they really WANT TO DO? ya know, like denzel and will, the ONLY two niggas who ain't gotta read for some shit they really WANT to do. it ain't morris fault he gotta fuckin eat...and that he's black. i'm sure he'd like to work with A-list directors and scowl-act for 3 fuckin months like marky mark, but it's just not gonna fuckin happen for him. he's a nigga and because of fucks like you who don't support black drama or black comedies not starring a big name black comic, he gotta do wack comedies to pay bills.

let's be real with this shit, folks. some of y'all got a really bad problem not recognizing a talented black performer until white folks co-sign that shit. it's disgusting. terrence howard ain't JUST get good...the muhfucka was just as charismatic and magnetic in the best man as he was in hustle and flow and crash. did any of y'all jackasses SEE the best man back in the day? morris chestnutt was in it and he held his fuckin own next to terrence in the joint...but y'all wouldn't know it.

anthony anderson. another GREAT young black actor. great comic talent, but very good overall. i can see now y'all gonna be on his dick soon.

meagan goode. i been saying it for years...one of the best young actresses out there...not just black actresses...ALL actresses. she's better than MOST of these bland ass white girls, but she rarely gets shine, given the material she gets sent her way.

n'bushe wright. amazing. but she rarely even works because she refuses to do bullshit anymore.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

Bound to pull a muscle reaching like that.

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she's just not believable to me.

follow me @oldirtyplaster on the Twitter thing.....i say awesome stuff

But so what? Portman's a tasteless wafer. Judith Light telegraphs more honesty in one blink of an eye than Portman has in an entire career spent sulkily preening for the mush-for-brains Emo crowd.

Goode's about as interesting as a burnt pancake.

Not saying I wouldn't smash though.

ANYWAY...

meagan goode, imo, has never failed to rise above all the bullshit that she, as young black actress, is forced to take. shit like deliver us from eva is trash...but, hell, so is the breakup. the fact that she rises above wack material and is incredible when given a good material SHOULD give you the fuckin hint that she's a prettt good actress.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

You have no idea who Judith Light is, do you?

Anyone with a modicum of talent or perseverance can rise above anything and shine. I knew this kid growing up, Jesse. He had Down's Syndrome and was pushed into this drama presentation we had to do in eleventh grade. Everyone in his group conspired to make it nothing shy of an epic embarrassment for him - messing with his lines, fucking up his cues, hiding his props, etc, etc. But he ended up soldiering on, did the best he could, and came out looking like a hero.

So, by that estimation, Meagan Goode is Down's Syndrome Jesse.

...is EXACTLY the problem i have with board fulla wannabe industry fucks.

i know her well enough to know she gettin shine in the fuckin rags that you read for her role in save me...i know that fuckin much. did YOU KNOW she was a great actress BEFORE that?

the rest of the bullshit you talkin is indictive everything wrong with this board. you don't know shit, so you fake it with snarky asides.

spare me, please.

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Put Christy Turlington in a Hi-8 short made by some pothead film school jagoff who couldn't out-write a Bazooka Joe strip. If she so much as doesn't die from embarrassment, she's risen above the material.

Rising above subpar material does not a great actor make.

Get?

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I got the beginnings of a great piece, In Defense of Mark Curry: The Quiet Genius Of Hangin' With Mr. Cooper.

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I mean if you gonna wave this flag i hardly think moris chesnut is the posterboy but yeah fine

nobody supports good shit nukkas gotta eat bread and butter bread and butter

because y'all snarky muhfuckas really don't know shit about much and you haven't even seen the guys best work.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

so you preaching to the choir

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...recurring role on "The Shield." And I don't even think they used him to his potential on that. Hopefully, he'll continue to take roles that don't ask for him to play things as broad.

And it is a shame N'Bushe Wright never got more work. Casting directors should have been banging down her door after "Fresh" and "Dead Presidents."

Speaking of "Fresh," what the fuck happened to Sean Nelson? He had a lot of talent, and now it looks like he only gets work playing suspect and "Law & Order" shows.

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the point of the other post was not whether or not Morris Chestnutt is "a bad actor."

it was about whether or not he "deserves" to be a major Hollywood leading man.

based on his past work/box office, the answer is NO.

end of story.

as for this:

>now, on to the main point. there are PLENTY of incredibly
>talented black folk in BLACK MOVIES THAT Y'ALL THINK YOU'RE
>TOO GOOD TO GO SEE that y'all gonna be jockin in a few years
>soon as they get put in a mainstream joint...we done seen this
>shit time and again...from fuckin morgan freeman to denzel to
>don cheadle. muhfuckan don cheadle was in meteor man doing is
>fuckin thing and y'all wasn't on his dick back then...THEN, he
>put in major work in devil in a blue dress (which he shoulda
>got nominated for) and y'all still ain't fuck wit him and then
>he played earl manigault and white folk and uppity fake ass
>niggas STILL ain't fuck wit him...when y'all fuck wit him?
>boogie nights <-----THAT'S THAT BULLSHIT. oh, NOW he good?

Don Cheadle got plenty of acclaim for Devil in a Blue Dress because he put in a good performance in a good movie.

if he didn't get acclaim for Meteor Man, it's because he put in a .... well, i don't evn remember how his performance was, but i know that Meteor Man was not that great of a movie.

and if he didn't get enough acclaim for Devil in a Blue Dress, it's because enough people didn't see that movie when it first came out.

so now you're mad because people notice actors in their breakthrough movies?

basically, your argument is that we should praise ALL Black actors who act in mediocre movies JUST IN CASE they breakthrough later so we can say we were down with them back when they were in crappy movies.

and that's silly.

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>the point of the other post was not whether or not Morris
>Chestnutt is "a bad actor."
>it was about whether or not he "deserves" to be a major
>Hollywood leading man.

NOOOOOOOPE!!!! this is that same lame ass tactic niggas always use on this board...set up another premise from the one you need to be addressing and pretend that's the one that's been offered to you. WELL, NO!

my point is "there are PLENTY of incredibly talented black folk in BLACK MOVIES THAT Y'ALL THINK YOU'RE TOO GOOD TO GO SEE that y'all gonna be jockin in a few years soon as they get put in a mainstream joint..."

morris chestnutt is black and he HAS BEEN the lead in BLACK MOVIES. see, that's the kinda mentality we dealing with here. because he ain't the lead in movies YOU want to see that means he's not a leading man. fuck outta here. i already made the point that there are really only two black leading men, so what the fuck are you talking about?

>based on his past work/box office, the answer is NO.

muhfucka, besides will and d-dub, what black man is. do you really think you got a fuckin point here?

>end of story.

indeed.

>as for this:
>
>>now, on to the main point. there are PLENTY of incredibly
>>talented black folk in BLACK MOVIES THAT Y'ALL THINK YOU'RE
>>TOO GOOD TO GO SEE that y'all gonna be jockin in a few years
>>soon as they get put in a mainstream joint...we done seen
>this
>>shit time and again...from fuckin morgan freeman to denzel
>to
>>don cheadle. muhfuckan don cheadle was in meteor man doing
>is
>>fuckin thing and y'all wasn't on his dick back then...THEN,
>he
>>put in major work in devil in a blue dress (which he shoulda
>>got nominated for) and y'all still ain't fuck wit him and
>then
>>he played earl manigault and white folk and uppity fake ass
>>niggas STILL ain't fuck wit him...when y'all fuck wit him?
>>boogie nights <-----THAT'S THAT BULLSHIT. oh, NOW he good?
>
>Don Cheadle got plenty of acclaim for Devil in a Blue Dress
>because he put in a good performance in a good movie.

where was the hardware, muhfucka? shit, sean nelson got "acclaim" in fresh...he ain't get no hardware.

>if he didn't get acclaim for Meteor Man, it's because he put
>in a ....

meteor man was a piece of shit. i was just being silly to make people mad at that point...and the point is I SAW IT, because i support black cinema. period. all these excuses about "oh, it's not good...i ain't paying my money for something that ain't good"...fuck outta here. y'all go see NOT GOOD shit every friday.


well, i don't evn remember how his performance was,
>but i know that Meteor Man was not that great of a movie.
>
>and if he didn't get enough acclaim for Devil in a Blue Dress,
>it's because enough people didn't see that movie when it first
>came out.

*SMH* you are making my point, man. exactly, right. enough people didn't see it when it came out. it was a "BLACK" movie.

>so now you're mad because people notice actors in their
>breakthrough movies?

breakthrough? you mean WHITE FOLK APPROVED...you are making my points for me.

>basically, your argument is that we should praise ALL Black
>actors who act in mediocre movies JUST IN CASE they
>breakthrough later so we can say we were down with them back
>when they were in crappy movies.

nope. my point is y'all fake ass people cannot identify talent for shit and y'all just instinctively shit on black hollywood.

>and that's silly.

your mentality is toxic.

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>NOOOOOOOPE!!!! this is that same lame ass tactic niggas always
>use on this board...set up another premise from the one you
>need to be addressing and pretend that's the one that's been
>offered to you. WELL, NO!

here is the original post made by jeanlouis:

>yeah, I know some people are going to give me the "Duh". but
>I just think that a lot of people really arent getting their
>due. Yeah, I dont know the full story of who turned down what
>role and why so and so is taking such silly roles, but I dont
>understand why Don Cheadle isnt in a major film as the lead.
>I don't understand why Morris Chesnut, after all these years,
>is still just the fifth name in a mixed race movie. Why hasnt
>hallie had anything credible since her OScar? Why does it
>seem that Will and Denzel are the only actors getting major
>roles? Am I right, or am I missing something?

the question was about why Morris Chestnutt has not played more significant leading roles in Hollywood movies. THAT is what it's about... not whether or not he is a "good actor."

if YOU are interested in discussing the merits of Mr. Chestnutt's acting, that is fine. make your post about it... but don't advertise the post as being a spinoff of jeanlouis's post and then get mad when i point out that that's not what jeanlouis was even talking about.

>my point is "there are PLENTY of incredibly talented black
>folk in BLACK MOVIES THAT Y'ALL THINK YOU'RE TOO GOOD TO GO
>SEE that y'all gonna be jockin in a few years soon as they get
>put in a mainstream joint..."

if that's your point, fine. it wasn't the point of the post you claim to be spinning off of, but that's okay.

and to respond to your point: me personally... i'm not interested in watching (what i think of as) bad movies, whether they are black or white. i'm sure there are many great actors in bad movies, waiting for their big break to work with better material.

when they ARE in better material, i will watch them. and i won't apologize for not spending my money on bad movies just because they were in them.

>morris chestnutt is black and he HAS BEEN the lead in BLACK
>MOVIES. see, that's the kinda mentality we dealing with here.
>because he ain't the lead in movies YOU want to see that means
>he's not a leading man. fuck outta here. i already made the
>point that there are really only two black leading men, so
>what the fuck are you talking about?

the question here is "what are YOU talking about, Bags?" (see above)

>>based on his past work/box office, the answer is NO.
>
>muhfucka, besides will and d-dub, what black man is. do you
>really think you got a fuckin point here?

exactly. and that was the answer jeanlouis got in the post that you are supposedly piggybacking off of here... but for some reason, he didn't accept that and neither did you.

but now, all of a sudden, you are AGREEING with the post that "people like me" were making in the other post.

so... what ARE you talking about here, Bags?

>>Don Cheadle got plenty of acclaim for Devil in a Blue Dress
>>because he put in a good performance in a good movie.
>
>where was the hardware, muhfucka? shit, sean nelson got
>"acclaim" in fresh...he ain't get no hardware.

what do you mean by "hardware"? statues?

>>if he didn't get acclaim for Meteor Man, it's because he put
>>in a ....
>
>meteor man was a piece of shit. i was just being silly to make
>people mad at that point...and the point is I SAW IT, because
>i support black cinema. period. all these excuses about "oh,
>it's not good...i ain't paying my money for something that
>ain't good"...fuck outta here. y'all go see NOT GOOD shit
>every friday.

and herein lies the crux of the issue (besides your tendency to say stupid shit just "to get people mad" and then expect to be taken seriously):

the central ideological dilemma that we are facing here - and that we face in just about every discussion about Black cinema - is whether or not we should be "supporting Black cinema" unconditionally.

you say yes. bignick says no. me... i say that i'm not a rich man and i got a lot of movies i want to see, but i don't have unlimited loot to spend on movies that i don't think are good or i'm not interested in, just because "support" Black cinema.

10 years ago, i had the exact same point of view that you do, though. i watched every goddam thing that could be described as a "Black movie" and i aggressively encouraged other people to do the same.

i remember the exact moment i stopped doing that, though: it was when that email circulated around the Black community urging people to "support" Trois.

i'm sure you've seen that movie, so i don't have to tell you what a mess that turned out to be, on multiple levels.

to cut a long story short, though, from that day i resolved that i will support Black movies (and ALL movies) based on their merit. because watching any piece of mess just because it's got niggers in it does NOT make for better Black films.

>>and if he didn't get enough acclaim for Devil in a Blue
>Dress,
>>it's because enough people didn't see that movie when it
>first
>>came out.
>
>*SMH* you are making my point, man. exactly, right. enough
>people didn't see it when it came out. it was a "BLACK"
>movie.

now... your experience might be different from mine, but i clearly remember when that movie came out. i was begging everybody to see it, not just because it was a Black film, but because it was a "non-hood" Black film, and was actually pretty good.

i was able to encourage a lot of white people to check it out... but most Black people in my age group that i talked to about it refused to see it not because it was a Black film, but because it was the "wrong" kind of Black film for them.

"i don't watch classics," was something i heard a lot of people say.

by "classics," they meant movies that were either old or were set in an "old" period. shit that's not contemporary... shit that don't have a hip-hop soundtrack.

let's be real... you remember the 90s, don't you? for a long time, it was kinda hard to get (young) Black audiences to support Black movies like Devil in a Blue Dress, The Glass Shield, and even Eve's Bayou (which a lot of people caught up with on video and cable, not in the theater).

it's not because they were Black films, though.

>>so now you're mad because people notice actors in their
>>breakthrough movies?
>
>breakthrough? you mean WHITE FOLK APPROVED...you are making my
>points for me.

no... it means that Boogie Nights was a much better movie than Meteor Man (which you admit was garbage), and the movie about The Goat wasn't even a theatrical release.

so yes... Boogie Nights was a great showcase for Don Cheadle of a kind that he had hardly gotten before. (even though white critics had praised him in Devil in a Blue Dress)

>nope. my point is y'all fake ass people cannot identify talent
>for shit and y'all just instinctively shit on black hollywood.
>
>
>>and that's silly.
>
>your mentality is toxic.

funny, because i also think your mentality is toxic... for quality Black movies.

and like i said, i used to be there... hell, if you search far enough back in the archives, you might even find some posts where i was expressing the kind of views that you are now.

but ultimately, i think that it just kinda leads to lower standards for Black people... which i find insulting.

i got no beef with anybody wanting to see a movie they know is sub-par just because it's got Black people, though. i LOVE seeing Black people on-screen. i used to watch all the UPN shows even though i knew they kinda sucked, just because i wanted to see my beautiful Black people on-screen.

but that was network TV, though... that shit's free. spending $10 on movie tickets to (what *I* think of as) sub-par Black movies? that shit adds up, brother...

(btw... Anthony Anderson gets major love for both his performances in Hustle & Flow and "The Shield"... are you gonna blame people for not giving him similar love for Kangaroo Jack or even Me, Myself and Irene?)

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>to cut a long story short, though, from that day i resolved
>that i will support Black movies (and ALL movies) based on
>their merit. because watching any piece of mess just because
>it's got niggers in it does NOT make for better Black films.

I'll be glad when more black folks start getting this shit through their head.

I mean, seriously, you niggaz make us look
very, very, bad around here.

>>to cut a long story short, though, from that day i resolved
>>that i will support Black movies (and ALL movies) based on
>>their merit. because watching any piece of mess just because
>>it's got niggers in it does NOT make for better Black films.

>I'll be glad when more black folks start getting this shit
>through their head.

Uh.

I can say the EXACT same thing about
white people.

Remember 'Titanic(a wet bag of poorly edited, cliche,
garbation)' made a BILLION dollars worldwide, and
wasn't no niggaz responsible for that.

Stop blaming niggaz for shit white people do as bad,
or worse. The phenomenon of motherfuckers supporting
films for dumb reasons hasn't a thing to do with
black people. We didn't start that problem, and aren't more
guilty of it than anyone else.


So miss me with that shit, nigga.


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Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest was a snoozefest and made a billion dollars worldwide.

Most people don't want to watch "quality" movies. They want entertainment.

The only thing you can really say is that black people with money should look to invest in more intelligent fare and build up a black art house movement to help young actors and directors. (For instance, Elton Brand shouldn't be making movies with Paris Hilton in them) But to blame the black audience is off because the audiences in general don't have "taste".

Personally, I can't say anyone is stupid for wanting to see Stomp the Yard because I've been looking forward to Smokin' Aces. I can say that the producers have a great track record or something but its getting shit reviews and I'm still probably going to see it this weekend.

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>Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest was a snoozefest
>and made a billion dollars worldwide.

Right, funded, largely, by WHITE PEOPLE.

Shouldn't wealthy WHITES invest more in
arthouse cinema too instead of this bullshit?

Yes, they should, actually.


Yes, and white artsy fartsies will say the shit. They
won't, however, say its white people's fault, because
we know better than to pin cultural problems on white
people. We don't know better in the case of black folks,
however, and so do that whole "black folks need to do this
and that" bullshit all the time, often without a grain
of MERIT.


>Most people don't want to watch "quality" movies. They want
>entertainment.


Right, BOTH white AND black people.


I'm stlll waiting for something specifically black
about this problem.


>The only thing you can really say is that black people with
>money should look to invest in more intelligent fare and build
>up a black art house movement to help young actors and
>directors. (For instance, Elton Brand shouldn't be making
>movies with Paris Hilton in them) But to blame the black
>audience is off because the audiences in general don't have
>"taste".


If we are going to play the BLAME GAME, than what
about the WHITE PEOPLE WITH MONEY who don't want to
touch intelligent black cinema? Its easier to make
dumb ignorant black shit because of WHITE PEOPLE,
not only because of BLACK PEOPLE.


Black people came out in DROVES to see 'Malcom
X' and that shit was two days long.

Even when it came to television:

Black people watched 'New York Undercover' more
than they did 'Homeboys in Outer Space'. You'd never
know it, however, from how we summarize the tastes
of black people.

Much more recently, black people came out and saw 'Idlewild'
which, to me, was a very intelligent film. White people, however,
did not.

Black people's movie tastes aren't NEARLY as bad
as they're being portrayed, relative to white people's.

Americans in GENERAL like dumb shit.

Nothing black about bad taste.


>Personally, I can't say anyone is stupid for wanting to see
>Stomp the Yard because I've been looking forward to Smokin'
>Aces. I can say that the producers have a great track record
>or something but its getting shit reviews and I'm still
>probably going to see it this weekend.

Right, and you are the whitest person in the universe.

You're also probably not broke, nor will you be alone
in that movie, and so you, and your white friends should
all not watch that movie and invest in more arthouse
white films.


I mean, I don't, for the life of me, understand where
all these smelly double standards come from....no...I
take that back...I understand where they come from, I just
don't get why the fuck they are able to persist when they
are so, at best.

Shit is wack, god.







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Not sure why you were getting so heated. You were arguing the points that I was making (although I'm not sure where or when I became the whitest person in the universe)

And as for this:

"If we are going to play the BLAME GAME, than what
about the WHITE PEOPLE WITH MONEY who don't want to
touch intelligent black cinema? Its easier to make
dumb ignorant black shit because of WHITE PEOPLE,
not only because of BLACK PEOPLE. "

This isn't a blame game, it's a fact of the world. White people aren't going to make intelligent black film. It's not going to happen. You can sit around and ask why black producers should do it if white producers don't and then never get anything. African-Americans who do have money and some power should, IMO, once in a while, invest in a young black filmmaker or young actors or, at the very least, some intelligent material. (And for the record, white producers/actors should invest in strong material as well and try to bring some quality non-commercial fare to the cinemas)

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I've had this very same debate with people on this board dozens of times.

>I can say the EXACT same thing about
>white people.
>Remember 'Titanic(a wet bag of poorly edited, cliche,
>garbation)' made a BILLION dollars worldwide, and
>wasn't no niggaz responsible for that.

But white people go see the quality movies too. Black people bitch and moan about how we are represented on screen, but when someone produces a well-written, well-acted, engrossing adult movie...black folks stay away in droves.
Period.

It's called show BUSINESS.

>I've had this very same debate with people on this board
>dozens of times.

>But white people go see the quality movies too. Black people
>bitch and moan about how we are represented on screen, but
>when someone produces a well-written, well-acted, engrossing
>adult movie...black folks stay away in droves.
>Period.

Actually, there's a reason that Lee, Spike, fella has a
solid career, and that's because black people STILL
see his shit. There's a reason he had to branch out
and start making all this eclectic shit(25th Hour, etc):

To get more WHITE people to see his shit.

'Get on the Bus', for example, was one of the most
creative films I've ever seen.

White people didn't show up for that shit. I saw it in the
theatre. Shit was packed.


With BLACK people.

But this is all besides the point of why you're an imbecile:

You are allowing white people to have
more diversity to represent their "whiteness" than you are
black people to represent our "blackness."


For example, you recognize that there are ignorant whites
who support dumb shit. You also recognize that there are
intelligent whites, who don't.

The problem is: You are synopsis-sizing black people by
only our most ignorant, and aren't doing that for white
people.


Case and point(true story):

A girl I know has brother who made a really good, arty film two years go.
it hit the film festival circuit, did well, the whole nine. I saw it. Very
brilliant. he poured his heart and soul into it.

He's white, and the film didn't come CLOSE to getting picked up for release.

Not even close. Everyone loved the film. No financial backing for a release.

Now, I talked to him about it.


DId he make a claim that:

"Man, the white community needs to start supporting more
arthouse work."


No.


Why?


Was he not white?


Would he have had an argument if he was to say that the money
spent on bullshit in Hollywood was in part responsible for the
fact that his thoughtful and arty film wasn't able to be picked up? Do
white people not, largely, bankroll the bullshit in Hollywood that
he was referring to(they do)?


He sure would have.

Now,


Just IMAGINE if this whiteboy was BLACK.


He would have met the SAME FATE, except he woulda
RAN HIS MOUTH about how "my shit didn't get picked up
because black people don't support my aftful film. They
only like that bling-bling gangster shit. Fuck my people, yo."


Double standard.

BOTH white AND black filmmakers who make ARTFUL FILMS
HAVE VERY DIFFICULT TIME.


Now I know the REAL reason there is a discrepancy in the
amount of white arthouse shit and black arthouse shit:


The REAL SITUATION IS AS FOLLOWS:

a)There are more whites with money

b)There are more whites with money who like art

c)There are more white film executives, hollywood or arty

d)There are more white movie goers than black movie goers

e)There are more white arty movie goers than black arty movie
goers


All of this equates to MORE WHITE ARTY MOVIES AND HOLLYWOOD
MOVIES getting out there than black ones.

It does NOT demonstrate a FUNDAMENTAL CULTURAL characteristic
of white people that suggests they, AS A WHOLE appreciate artful
things more than black people. Not true. Appreciating art is generally
a thing of the comfortable ECONOMIC CLASS REGARDLESS of race. When
you see that whites are, ON AVERAGE, more wealthy than blacks, you all
of a sudden see why they are better represented in artistic circles. Black
comfy folks LOVE them some arty. Love art. Just check the comfy
black circles of Park Slope or Fort Green in Brooklyn -- it these neigborhoods
specifically that gave birth to the Spike Lee-types.


^^^^This correct explanation has, again, nothing to do with
anything fundamentally different about black and white people
CULTURALLY.


Mang!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!!



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop

^^Real Talk

I think that is all that really needs to be said. But I'm waiting to see a rebuttal to this.

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Before that I didn't know an obese dude could hoop like that, but his character Teddy showed me anything is possible..

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

I loved hangtime BUT i think there was some tism involved in him gettin on the team. Wasnt he the coaches nephew or somthin like that.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

Teddy would Make It Rain on them Hoes from the 3pt range.

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<<<---...and a child shall lead them.
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Education is OUR passport to the future. For tomorrow belongs to the people that prepare for it today ©Malcolm X

I'm feeling all your points man. Anthony Mackie is in this situation right now as well. Even though I have a minority (pun intended) opinion I loved him and the movie "She Hate Me." I have been checking out some of his other work as well. I missed "Half Nelson" though.

There is no support for African-American movies really. They have to be totally great or have some kind of gimmick for African-Americans to see them. Right now you have Tyler Perry movies doing well. The ghetto comedies are really the only ones that can make some money. You have the community complaining about lack of quality but when there are some comedic movies out there (such as Catch A Fire or back a few years Antwone Fisher) they do not do well.

Mostly because of the young newbie actress. Anthony was alright.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

If people keep on paying to see shitty "urban" comedies that's what they'll keep on making instead of quality films. Why? Because they don't require effort, money or talent.
So by supporting that shit you're just decreasing the chance that they're going to make a quality black film where these actors you claim are brilliant could have a chance to shine.

_
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TztqYaemt0
http://preptimeposse.blogspot.com/

how many times do you have to hear a black actors and directors thank those who had to do blaxploitation and all kinds of coonery for paving the way and building enough of an INTEREST in black movies so that they can make they kinda movies they want and play the kinda parts they want.

so, spare me your bullshit.

i refuse to buy into this idiotic thinking that borat is any fuckin less stupid than white girls. it just so happens i liked borat better because it was actually funny, but i still support the wayans bros.

and then y'all muhufuckas who talk shit about how your sitting around WAITING to support a worthy black film DO NOT GO SEE SHIT LIKE AKEELAH AND THE BEE. y'all are some fake ass niggas and i get tired of these bullshit replies.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>i refuse to buy into this idiotic thinking that borat is any
>fuckin less stupid than white girls. it just so happens i
>liked borat better because it was actually funny, but i still
>support the wayans bros.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TztqYaemt0
http://preptimeposse.blogspot.com/

...there's a bloop grounder of reality rolling past you.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

buckner? grounder of reality? shit's a reach.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>buckner? grounder of reality? shit's a reach.

Lol. Terrible.

Plus, 'White Chicks' was brilliant, and only
intellectually secure people like me and you
can admit it(I'm not sure if you thought it
was brilliant, but you'd admit it if you did. These
homos wouldn't, just because it doesn't make
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop

i'm workin on a joint now and i based a character on that dude. i fucks with him. he's one of the most slept on comic actors i've ever seen.

when that nigga starts dancing, it's over for me...i be crying. nigga's a damn fool.

and he's a good actor, too. but these hankyhead ass niggas here would never know it.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TztqYaemt0
http://preptimeposse.blogspot.com/

I'm pissed I actually went to a meeting once. Didn't pay my acceptance
dues though.

Everyone is actually very insecure, which is why
they feel the need to join MENSA. Niggaz like me and Bags are busy
being smart in real life.

Asiaticon >>>> Mensa

Dude needs to get more work. But he already be popping up in mad shit. He's a scene stealing ass dude though.

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>
>Plus, 'White Chicks' was brilliant, and only
>intellectually secure people like me and you
>can admit it

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

Meagan Goode. Jurnee Smollett had more talent in her pinky finger than Meagan (in Eve's Bayou) and where is she right now?

>n'bushe wright. amazing. but she rarely even works because she
>refuses to do bullshit anymore.

I agree with this.

Next: Have you ever seen Daughter's of the Dust?

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

Or know who made it.

If not that's the worse kind of hate (hate for Black female filmmakers who make Black movies). :/

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

To me, someone not seeing a film and saying, "Shit, what is that movie?" is one thing.

Someone not seeing a film and saying, "That movie is shit" is another and more hateful.

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so adamant about supporting quality black films would know.

_
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4TztqYaemt0
http://preptimeposse.blogspot.com/

>so adamant about supporting quality black films would know.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

why do y'all artsy fake eclectic niggas think y'all the ONLY kinda niggas that *like* artsy shit?

i saw it in school...at howard...a place so overrun with fake artsy niggas that i can't stand to be around other black folks who share my musical and cinematic tastes, even if they are sincere. because niggas like that go around asking other black folk have they seen daughters of the dust like they're asking "have you been to the moon?"

fuck outta here

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

Clear it up, answer the question...don't keep me guessing.

>why do y'all artsy fake eclectic niggas think y'all the ONLY
>kinda niggas that *like* artsy shit?

Man, I don't fall for that "fake eclectic nigga" ish...cuz I'm Black ya'll, I'm Blackity Black and I'm Black, ya'll (thanks CB4). I am artsy because I am an artist and I respect quality art whether it's "fake eclectic" or not. Life's too short for anything else and since you don't know me I make it clear I am not a "nigga" and I am worthy of quality.

>i saw it in school...at howard...a place so overrun with fake
>artsy niggas that i can't stand to be around other black folks
>who share my musical and cinematic tastes, even if they are
>sincere. because niggas like that go around asking other black
>folk have they seen daughters of the dust like they're asking
>"have you been to the moon?"

Well, I saw it on my own and it really spoke to me as a Black woman. A proud Black woman...but do you, guy!

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

>Jurnee Smollett had more talent in her pinky
>finger than Meagan (in Eve's Bayou) and where is she right
>now?

Probably getting ready for her next role... which, come to think of it, should be Cinnamon whenever the folks behind the Easy Rawlins movies gets to Cinnamon Kiss... nonetheless, the point is, she's working:

http://imdb.com/name/nm0810619/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxrdz0xfHE9anVybmVlIHNtb2xldHR8ZnQ9MXxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8Y289MXxzYz0wfGh0bWw9MXxubT0x;fc=1;ft=6;fm=1

And as DA FELLAS (and any ladies who are so inclined) can see, she's just as fine -- if not finer -- than Meagan Good (no e)...
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We'll cast some light
and you'll be alright

>And as you can see, she's just as fine -- if not finer -- than
>Meagan Good (no e)...

lol...I don't care about her looks but do your thing!

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

(DAMN, she fine... and only 19)...
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We'll cast some light
and you'll be alright

A lot of movies period suck. I'm not giving my money to any movie that doesn't deserve it. I understands people gotta eat, but some of those choices affect their career. You don't think it tarnishes Meagan Goode's good work (Eve Bayou, Brick, even Stomp the Yard), when she does shit like Waist Deep?

Nobody should be feeling sorry for Morris Chestnutt, dude sells tickets. Not on a Jamie Foxx, Will Smith level, but he is a box office draw. If he wasn't he wouldn't still be working. That goes for a lot actors in the Black cinema scene. I get the feeling that a lot of people would rather stay in their lane, instead of taking lesser roles to breakthrough in White America. That's cool, just don't expect me to support everything that comes out. I'll go see Stomp the Yard or a Drumline. It was the vanguard of artistic expression, but it was entertaining. I'll be damned if I go see something like Waist Deep agian though. That goes for "artsy" movies too. Hell, people tried to sell me on Something New just because it was quasi-artsy and directed by a Black woman, but I thought that shit was horrible...and I work for the studio that distributed that shit.

Also, its not like I'm dismissing Black movies in lieu of seeing a Dane Cook movie. If shit is garbage, it's garbage. Movie tickets are way to high to be paying for some bullshit.Period.

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too Cheadle. Morris has been in the game over 15 years and played a major role in at least 10 movies... and his presence was forgetable in everyone of them. I mean, he literally got out acted by Steven Seagal... how does that happen? Cheadle on the other hand steals in every movie he's played in... he actually brings a character to life and makes them believable. Cheadle is an actor's actor, Morris is a dark skinned Shemar Moore... simply put, eye candy to draw women, no different than Kenya Moore drawing men to the ticket booth.

As far as "holding his own" next to Terrance Howard in the Best Man... you gotta be kidding. His performance was a distant second to last place because he edged out Monica Calhoun. Terrance clearly stole that movie. Taye Diggs best scene was getting smacked by Nia Long, and that alone surpassed Morris' entire performance. Morris is just a below average actor imo. I'm really surprised he's lasted this long.

N'bushe Wright... she kinda suspect, *shrugs* but okay

Meagan Good... *shrugs* okay... I'm not sold on her, because she chooses roles next to subpar actors(other than Eve's Bayou).

anthony anderson... He's been thorough since Hang Time, so I completely cosign him.

all it will take is ONE praised performance is some "mainstream" movie and you'll shut the fuck up about chestnut.

18 months ago, y'all wasn't riding for howard either.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

apart from Liris Crosse's ass, he was pretty much the only thing i found memorable about that movie


well... that, and Morris Chestnutt's complete emotional vacuity

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

i remember thinking he was handsome (no homo) and that he seemed like a big meathead jock playing a big meathead jock. he was aiight, but nothing to make me say "THIS is a kid to watch!"

see... it's just like i said: you seem to believe that we should big up ALL Black actors unconditionally so that just in case they blow up later, we can say "we wuz down with 'em since..."

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and i'm sorry it SEEMS like i'm out to praise all black actors.

just saying black actors have just as much right to get paid off bad movies as white ones...and without getting SHIT on for it.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>and i'm sorry it SEEMS like i'm out to praise all black
>actors.

Bullshit.

It doesn't, at all, seem like youre out to praise all black actors.

All one must do to understand this is actually read your posts.


AKFAP doesnt care to do that, because....he's AFKAP. I'm not
in the mood to tell his story, but I'm sure you understand
his gimmick by now.


>just saying black actors have just as much right to get paid
>off bad movies as white ones...and without getting SHIT on for
>it.

You've said that and about 50 other sensible things in here.

If motherfuckers don't want to read and debate what you
ACTUALLY said, then tell them to go to hell. Don't be
taking responsibility because niggaz is irresponsible and
illiterate.




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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop

Gotta rep for Terrence...another way of saying I know the guy.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

there are a lot of talented black actors in bullshit roles.

On the other hand, they are bullshit roles.

I mean, Devil in a Blue Dress was a great movie and a great role, I agree.

Meteor Man though? B- at best. Same for Best Man, Two can Play That Game etc. And those are at the upper end of commercial black moviemaking.

Black movies that get greenlighted suck about 70-80% of the time. Hence you can't really see the talent of the actors shine through the horrendous writing and questionable production values


sidenote: Meagan Goode? Really? I'd rate her as mid grade. I've been wrong before though.

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>Black movies that get greenlighted suck about 70-80% of the
>time. Hence you can't really see the talent of the actors
>shine through the horrendous writing and questionable
>production values

a)80% of white movies that get greenlighted suck too. Hell,
white movies that WIN OSCARS suck. 'Titanic' made 1 billion
worldwide, and it was a 3 hour love story between a cherubic
hearthrob peasant and a pristine princess. That movie was awful
and everyone who doesn't want to fuck Dicaprio knows it deep
down inside. That not only got greenlighted, it got 200 million
dollars of studio money-greenlighted.

The "bad movie gets greenlighted" phenomenon has nothing
to do with black people.

The #1 movie in America this week is 'Epic Movie' which
is WORSE than 'Stomp the Yard' whose success
everyone except Basaglia attributed to lack of black values
in film appreciation. I hear no one saying the same thing
about white people this week(except me, of course).



>sidenote: Meagan Goode? Really? I'd rate her as mid grade.
>I've been wrong before though.

You mean like Gweneth(sp?) Paltrow mid-grade?




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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop

you miss some funny shit, often.

Great post, btw

the double standard between how some
black okp's judge black films versus
white films is so obvious as to really
not even be worth talking about no more...

at first, i used to chalk it up to
'different strokes', as in 'some
folks like sarah silverman, cool,
she's just not my cup of tea...'

but the general level of hate for
'bad black art' versus 'bad white
art' is so overwhelmingly higher
that i can't even lie to myself
about it no more....

thing is, i don't even confront
folks about it anymore, either,
because all they do is deny it
by saying

1.) well, i don't care about
white folks (while rocking
a napolean dynamite t-shirt)

or

2.) its more crucial for black
folks, so we have to have a
higher standard...

but yeah....overall, i agree
with you, because the very same
folks that black folks CLOWN
at one point in their careers
(see: jamie foxx in booty call,
or shawn wayans in don't be a menace),
will soldier on and get acclaim
later on...ONCE GIVEN A CHANCE.
(see: jamie in ray or shawn in
requiem of a dream)

a lot of us are quick to write
folks off, but its whatever...

haters gon' hate (c) puff
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>the double standard between how some
>black okp's judge black films versus
>white films is so obvious as to really
>not even be worth talking about no more...
>
>at first, i used to chalk it up to
>'different strokes', as in 'some
>folks like sarah silverman, cool,
>she's just not my cup of tea...'
>
>but the general level of hate for
>'bad black art' versus 'bad white
>art' is so overwhelmingly higher
>that i can't even lie to myself
>about it no more....
>
>thing is, i don't even confront
>folks about it anymore, either,
>because all they do is deny it
>by saying
>
>1.) well, i don't care about
>white folks (while rocking
>a napolean dynamite t-shirt)
>
>or
>
>2.) its more crucial for black
>folks, so we have to have a
>higher standard...
>
>but yeah....overall, i agree
>with you, because the very same
>folks that black folks CLOWN
>at one point in their careers
>(see: jamie foxx in booty call,
>or shawn wayans in don't be a menace),
>will soldier on and get acclaim
>later on...ONCE GIVEN A CHANCE.
>(see: jamie in ray or shawn in
>requiem of a dream)
>
>a lot of us are quick to write
>folks off, but its whatever...
>
>haters gon' hate (c) puff
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>
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "Cosmic Slop

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