the characters talk back and forth with such authority about what is and isn't funny and neither they nor their show are funny. that's fucking remarkable.

did dude just repeat cruise's today show rant over a year after it happened?

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Even if the show-within-the-show's a comedy.
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Even though the show is a drama, I think that aspect IS a major problem

The show is not about THE (actual) SHOW, but what goes on behind THE (actual) SHOW. There is a difference. If it were about the actual show, we'd see more of THE SHOW. But in the three weeks that the show's aired, we've actually seen what, a grand total of 4 minutes of THE SHOW? In this regard, the material on THE SHOW -- and whether it's funny or not funny -- is almost irrelevant.
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I think it's a problem because not only is it unfunny, but, as your say, it's beside the point. It's jarring to me for both of those reasons. I mean, I don't see how they could NOT include some of the show within the show material, but they should at least try and make it clever.

The point of the show isn't "let's watch them make this fake show then hope the show itself is funny." I know, it's only natural to watch and critique the little bits of the finished product that we see, but it's also so not the point.

Take tonight, for example (and I'm on the West Coast, so I'm only 33 minutes in). They just showed the actual show being broadcast for about, 20 seconds, then they cut immediately to Matt and Danny. They then ended the scene by cutting back to the actual show for another 15 seconds.

The point of the show is not "is the 'actual' show they're producing funny." It's fine to dislike the material that they present (in bits and pieces), but to say, "yo, the show they're making ain't funny, so therefore this show sucks" is a ridiculous leap in logic.
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none of them are funny. none of the things they write are funny.

there is no evidence at all that their jobs depend on making people laugh.,

the weird part is that all of this goes for the real SNL too.


and the "drama" isn't interesting. give me back sportsnight.



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>none of them are funny.

That's beside the point. They're not there to convince you that they are funny.

>none of the things they write are
>funny.

That's beside the point as well. They're not there to make you laugh. Especially considering that the show is billed as a drama.


>there is no evidence at all that their jobs depend on making
>people laugh.,

They don't have to present that "evidence." They're actors playing people who just happen to be putting on a comedy show. The DRAMA comes in putting the show together, not whether or not they can make niggas at home LOL.


>and the "drama" isn't interesting.

So turn it off. Stop waiting for comedy on a dramatic show. Or better yet, wait for 30 Rock. Which is a comedy about a comedy show. This show is a drama about a comedy show. There is a difference.
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their occupation is being funny. if they're not funny, the whole plot falls apart.


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and/or looking for something to bitch about. Surprise, surprise.

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don't have any responsiblity to be convincing in their roles. that explains a lot about hollywood.



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writers than you do. And I can tell you they don't spend all of their time trying to be funny, or trying to convince others, that they are funny.

Again, you're watching the wrong show if you're tuning in expecting a yuk fest.
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but they should at least be funny at work...at their job...where they're paid to be funny. and they should be at least a LITTLE funny somewhere else, even if its by accident.


they're never ever ever funny, and show no potential to be. their existence has to be called into question by this. it makes it more clear that the dialogue isn't interesting and the character interactions are lacking.

at least if I liked them or found them entertaining, I could overlook some of that.




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>but they should at least be funny at work...at their
>job...where they're paid to be funny.
I disagree with this , except in some of the writing rooms bits.

Have you tried to be *funny* for 8 hours a day? It's impossible.

I think the best show to show a writing room has to be Larry Sanders, and that shows how *unfunny* the writer's room can be.

>they're never ever ever funny, and show no potential to be.
>their existence has to be called into question by this. it
>makes it more clear that the dialogue isn't interesting and
>the character interactions are lacking.

Has any sketch show *ever* been funny for longer than 3 years?? I think the point of the show is that the show is kind of unfunny. Maybe three sketches a show are funny. Think SNL, Kids, Fridays, Carol Burnet, etc. hell, MAd TV has never had more than one funny sketch in it's 10 year run. Maybe a few SNLs and SCTVs have beat the average.

I love the jab at Dave Thomas's writing literay writing style. Maybe mroe of an homage.

that show's first 5 seasons were fucking gold.

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>that show's first 5 seasons were fucking gold.
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No, they weren't.

But if you liek them then keep trying to change history.

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There's a concept in TV andd movies called "compression of time."

That means we don't see *everything* that happens.

Combine that with this show being a drama and you get why they aren't funny.

Oh, and another reason is: because that show wouldn't be funny either. let's face it The Daily Show and Colbert bat what 50% funny?

Even if you like SNL or mad TV they bat, what 25% funny?

I'm also pretty sure that The Daily Show and Colbert have writing staffs in the area of 50 poeple in each. This show is written mainly by one guy.

But I get it, you want the writers of a comedy show within a drama show to be funny.

I don't think this show is going to do it. Downlaod The larry Sanders shows, seasons 3-6. They are FUNNY.

if the plot is people with no talent making a show that sucks, then dude, the plot makes total sense, it's just not interesting.

however if the plot isn't supposed to be a bunch of talentless hacks joining together to make an entirely uninspired sketch comedy show, then they're doing a shit job of portraying it.


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>if the plot is people with no talent making a show that
>sucks, then dude, the plot makes total sense, it's just not
>interesting.
>
>however if the plot isn't supposed to be a bunch of talentless
>hacks joining together to make an entirely uninspired sketch
>comedy show, then they're doing a shit job of portraying it.

The plot is that characthers who care are trying to make a sketch comedy show that skewers the powers that be.

The opening song of last episode was lame. Tom Cruise jokes are lame. The news cast is lame.

It's that way on *ALL* sketch comedy shows.

The point of this show (IMHO) is the struggle to get a show on the air.

I'd prefer they don't show the sketches at all.

I like the exuctives and the behind the scenes stuff.

I have a feelign you'll liek the *comedy* show that the very unfunny Tina Fey is coming out with. You know, the one that ran a sketch comedy show for many years.

where did I ever give the impression I think SNL has been anything other than shit for a long time and that tina fey is funny?

the problem is, even on a drama, you have to include a wide range of situations and emotions.

I don't give a shit about supposedly funny writers who are being crushed by the man, because they never show me how funny they are outside the realm of the show. I have on reason to believe they are skilled at their profession, which kills the shows plot.

these fucks like bignick and zootown are too busy saying "this is representing our world, mein kampf" to realize the show is shit.


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At around the 46 minute mark of the episode, they did a 2-minute montage on the show. They didn't show an entire sketch. They breezed through the show in order to get to the next scene, which was not on the show, but after the show, at the afterparty. And notice, they didn't pay off Harriet's lame joke pitch about the bear. If this were a show that were concerned with the comedic content of the actual show, we would have seen her try that joke, on the air.

Aaron Sorkin's forte isn't sketch comedy, and anyone tuning in to see whether or not he or any of the actors can be "funny" is being silly and not really paying attention.
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how can you say that's irrelevent.

the actors on it can be funny. It's BESIDE THE POINT. They're not there to present evidence to you that they're funny, even if every line of dialogue during the episode consists solely of: "yo, I'm funny, I'm really really funny."

As a matter of fact, one of the main sources of dramatic conflict so far has been Matt and Danny's dissing of the other "hack" comedy team, who have been pitching sketches and jokes only to be met with cold indifference by Matt and Danny. Hardly the stuff of great comedy, no?
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the wire would still be good?

what if mcnulty couldn't puta a motherfucker in handcuffs?

or drink?




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The only way you could even begin to make an equal comparison is if you saw Omar, McNulty and company at a shooting range every week. And anyway, The Wire is more than just a show about shooting and killing. Much like Studio 60 is more than a show about comedy.

This really shouldn't be this hard to understand.
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the show would have still made sense?


I never watched west wing, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose the president occasionally tried to appear...like a politician.

you know.
since that was allegedly his job.
that he did everyday.
and the whole show was based on it.


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>the show would have still made sense?

I'm not going to answer this. You're just looking for an argument.

Surprise, surprise.


>I never watched west wing, but I'm going to go out on a limb
>and suppose the president occasionally tried to appear...like
>a politician.

That's probably because the show The West Wing was about... the people in front of and behind the scenes of politics. Just like Studio 60 is a show about... the people in front of and behind the scenes of a show.

Do you understand the similarities, or are you going to continue pulling more examples out of thin air just to keep the argument going?


>you know.
>since that was allegedly his job.
>that he did everyday.
>and the whole show was based on it.

You know. Matt and Danny are writers. That's their jobs. They do it every day. And the whole show is based on it. In addition to their interactions with the cast, the crew, the executives, and each other. The show's not about the material that they produce.

Do you understand the difference, or are you going to now cite Hill Street Blues and Miami Vice as examples of "cops who did their jobs everyday. Cause, you know, they're cops. They shoot people. That's what they do."
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so....at least on a script in front of them, there should be something funny written.

at some point.

there isn't.


if they worked at a nuclear plant, and there was no radioactive material, I doubt you would defend its absence by saying "well it's not really about motherfuckers getting mutated and having kids with three legs anyway so it's not important".

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>so....at least on a script in front of them, there should be
>something funny written.

Do you actually know what they do? They're called show runners. They have more than a responsiblity to the show to just be funny -- and/or show us that they can be funny.


>if they worked at a nuclear plant, and there was no
>radioactive material, I doubt you would defend its absence by
>saying "well it's not really about motherfuckers getting
>mutated and having kids with three legs anyway so it's not
>important".

I would if that's what the show were about. Once more, this show -- not The Wire or some other random bullshit example you conjure up -- *is not about Matt and Danny's occupation*. It's about their *relationships* with every single person on that show. It's not about them being funny, or showing you that they can pitch jokes, or that they can write funny shit. For the life of me, I can't understand why you can't seem to get that through your head.

We were told in the pilot that these guys were former writers on the show and that they were coming back to run it. That's it. We heard about one (1) sketch they wrote that didn't air. We didn't hear any jokes from it. We didn't see it. We just know that they're good comedy writers. That's all we need to go on, *especially if we're not going to see any lengthy sketches of theirs during the show.*

You don't like the characters. That's fine. You don't like the show because the banter *not relating directly to the show itself* is boring and unfunny. That's fine. You don't like the show because "they're not being funny." That's not fine. And frankly, it's a rather retarded reason to watch because it shows you don't really understand what the show's about.


>I'm going to go watch days of thunder and edit out everything
>that has to do with driving, brb.

You would. Then come back and pull another example out of your ass just to keep an argument going.
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theri relationships with people where?

at their job.


what's their job again?

making a show

what's the show about?

oh, it's supposed to be funny


oh, so how come it never is?

cuz the plot of this shit drama doesn't make sense and they're all bad actors.


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Let me guess, "I heard that show sucked too." Asshole.
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Go back to praising Allah for Roger Clemens steroid stories in Sports.
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I don't give a shit about their wrap party, because ultimately they are boring people.

you can't have a good drama without characters that are in at least some way compelling.

the show fails on every single level.

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I'm not stupid enough to tune in expecting to see jokes and jokes and more jokes. Especially on a dramatic show about the making of a show.
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your comedian friends never....ever tell jokes outside of work or give any indication that they can or posess the potential to make people lauch?

I mean we know bignick isn't funny, but I thought that was a personal failing, not a professional credo. I owe him an apology



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S-60 is kind of, well, FAILING, hence having to bring back its old writer and driector, who are in the process of trying to turn it around.


No,no. I want to see the funniest hypothetical sketches to ever air. FOH.

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when all their sarcastic jokes that they make throughout the show...aren't?

If only we were all as intelligent as you.


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2 episodes in and y'all already have some pretty deep insight into everything the show is about? lol.

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characters walk around cracking jokes all day, which is clearly not what the show is.
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is that the characters on Sportsnight were funnier and had better rapport than the characters on this fictional COMEDY SHOW.

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but it's about comedians and comedy writers. I am a professional sketch comedian. This is my world. And it is not represented here.

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you probably make a joke or three offstage. or rehearse jokes that would be funny if performed. or something.


all you should do is have empty relationships with your your similarly disaffected coworkers that go nowhere and carry no relevance. didn't you get the memo?


it's a DRAMA. that means it doesn't matter that the characters give you zero reason to care about them.


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the show has very few "funny" moments period....shit, i can watch LOST or The Wire and laugh more than i do at things THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUNNY on this show...

...i don't think it's reaching to expect a "drama" about a comedy show to actually be funny at some point...but i figure it'll get better later....

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they seemed to have the necessary skills.


these people lack the skills to do the jobs they allegedly have, but according to zootown, we have no need to see them doing.

luckily, this is a show about relationships. you know, like Fashion House.


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may have you somewhat confused in regard to the meaning of the term "relationships," so I figured I'd break them down for your dense ass:

Matt and Danny have a *professional* relationship, as well as a *personal* one. That means they're friends. Sorry for you, Reg, no homo.

Matt used to have a *personal* relationship with Harriet. That means they used to date, and have sex. I hope you know what sex is, Reg, because unfortunately, that's how you got here. Anyway, Matt and Harriet talk about their relationship all the time, btw. And now, since Matt and Danny have been brought back to run the show, Matt is now Harriet's boss. That means that they have a *professional* relationship.

Jordan has a *professional* relationship with Matt and Danny, since she was the one who hired them back to run the show. There have been hints that Danny could be interested in Jordan, and vice versa, but so far, there is no *personal* relationship.

See? This is what "relationships" means, Reg. You do know that people do have different kinds of relationships, right?

You and I have a relationship because of these boards. Yes, we do, no homo. Because you keep typing ignorant, half-logical posts in order to start arguments that go absolutely nowhere, and I keep responding to them.


>these people lack the skills to do the jobs they allegedly
>have, but according to zootown, we have no need to see them
>doing.

Stop putting words in my mouth, you stupid son of a bitch. What you want to see is a group of rollicking cats cracking jokes all day and "being funny" so you can LMAO, and because, for some reason (possibly because you were dumb enough to fall for the NBC promos) you believe that this is what the show is supposed to be about. What I'm telling you, and have been telling your stupid, dense, ignorant ass for the last 15 or so posts is that's not what the show is about. Then you continue by presenting examples from crime dramas, as if the comparisons are apt. They're not.


>luckily, this is a show about relationships. you know, like
>Fashion House.

No homo, Reg. No homo.
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Don't you have PS3 posts to go swipe or something? My lap is hurting from the dickriding that you're doing here. And believe me, that's no joke. You're seriously all over my dick in this here post.
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so lets talk more about your penis then, you keep mentioning it.


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I'll make it easy for you to understand, I know you have a big Halo 2 game going:

Funny. people can't. always. Be funny. Even if. they are. hired because. they are. Funny.

but you and. bags. don't like. the jokes. period. they is. not. funny to. you. you and. bags want. jokes. for niggas. to lol. and shit.


And I'm sure your response will be something to this effect:

comedy! cops! it suck! drama! zootown write gay! good jobs! ain't comedy! jokes! omar! shoot! kill! mcnulty! studio! nope! homo! see tell jokes! not funny!
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I mean you might love cock, but you might not. I think you are illiterate.

you seem to misread they're not ever funny for they should always be funny.



I'm going to go watch driving miss daisy w/o the driving this time. it's a drama.



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it doesn't need characters, plot or good acting


IT'S A DRAMA.



other dramas need interesting characters.....but not this show

I really feel as tho bunk's constantly investigating crimes is taking away from the wire.

i mean, i don't want to to see him do his job, they need to explore the relationships between the characters more.

they shouldn't show omar robbing anyone. just show him fucking his boyfriends and people running from him on the street. done.

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and i like amanda peet, so i'll keep watching.

hopefully it will get better.

actually judd hirsch got me into the first episode, and it has gone downhill some. hopefully they hire him back.

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I had low expectations on that end. What I want out of the show, and what I'm not sure I'm getting, is to be able to watch how a show like SNL really works. So far, it isn't doesn't feel right in that regard. But I'll admit I don't have a lot of knowledge to compare Studio 60 against, since I was only a cast member on SNL for a relatively short time. (I'm Melanie Hutzel.)

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> since I was only a cast member on SNL for a relatively short time. (I'm Melanie Hutzel.)



Did Siobhan Fallon's feet stink really bad? She looked like the type who'd have poor foot hygiene.



Did Beth Cahill always walk around and do that devastatingly hilarious "I am from Chicago" accent? That was priceless! I bet she did, and I bet you all could not stop laughing very hard at it! Then I bet she'd do it some more! I know I would! Exclamation!



SNL Producer Lorne Michaels is known for giving nick names to his favorite cast members, very often coining a term that describe a person's contribution to the show. For instance, he often referred to Phil Hartman as "the glue" of SNL, meaning he held the show together. He labeled Will Ferrell his "go-to guy" due to his ability to always win the audience over no matter how bad a sketch was doing. How did you respond to Lorne alternately referring to you as "sketch killer", "woefully untalented hopelessly unfunny", "THE FUCK was I thinking?" and "the mistake"?



This is your "cast photo" from the 1994-95 season. How have you changed since? http://whyquit.com/whyquit/vonBehrens_big.jpg


You've been ranked alongside some of the legendary talents to appear on SNL: Terry Sweeney, Ann Risley, Gary Kroeger, etc. And your looks have been compared to such photogenic SNLers as: Brad and Rich Hall. I guess the question is this: How have you managed the immense pressure that goes with being hailed as "the Denny Dillon of our generation"?



Was it hard for you, as a female cast member in a boy's club, to compete for airtime? The male cast members, all of whom were far more talented than you in all aspects of comedy, as well as the female cast members, all of whom were far more talented than you in all aspects of comedy, as well as the musical guests, all of whom were far more talented than you in all aspects of comedy, GE Smith and the Saturday Night Live band, all of whom were far more talented than you in all aspects of comedy (even that monkey looking dude!), not to mention the teamster set builders, all of whom were far more talented than you in all aspects of comedy, and former-yet-still-constantly-reappearing-cast-member Jon Lovitz, who you are far more talented than in all aspects of comedy save the spit take, seemed to take away from your spotlight. I don't think we ever got to see your diverse comedic range of playing: sorority chicks, ugly chicks, ugly sorority chicks, dumb ugly sorority chicks, sorority chicks who are dumb and not-so-good looking, and Tori Spelling. Where, when, and in what are we going to see you appear next, and what will be on other channels so we can all cover our bases?

Luckily, she sticks mostly to the allhiphop.com boards. But on a positive note, you've given teens considering chewing tobacco something to think about.

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Not all the time, but it has its moments. It's an understated, wit. I guess it's not for everyone, but if you don't like, just say you don't like. Y'all trying to negate it's existence or something. It's just TV, enjoy it, or change the channel.

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The show's supposed to be about the conflict inherent in putting together a television show, period. Sorkin chose a sketch show because the conflict keeps shifting; by which I mean that the characters on the show can be drawn into arguments about where the show is going without being able to hide behind "well, my character would NEVER do that." "What's funny" is more open than "what's my character"; If it was a drama about making a cop show or sitcom, the fights amongst the characters would get old REALLY fast.

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lack even the slightest comedic talent.

they're not not funny because of the show they work on, they're just not funny people.


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not enough relationships



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this show does TRY to be funny. for 60 minutes, all the fuck they talk about is what is and isn't funny, each character trying to one up the other with every lame ass retort.

again my QUESTION was: how can that show be so SELF-AWARE and STILL manage to not be funny.

and you gonna sit here and tell me that's not the point of the show, LIKE THAT WAS MY FUCKING QUESTION IN THE FIRST PLACE?

i don't give a shit was the plot is...they are ATTEMPTING to generate humor...and we know this with every fucking line of dialogue, in both delivery and content.

stupid faggots. so pressed to argue some shit and defend that wack ass show, you can't even focus on the basic point of this thread.

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It's really simple. If you don't dig the show, don't watch it. If you don't like the characters, don't watch it. If you don't think any of it is "funny," don't watch it. Go back to looking up dirt on white athletes.

And had you actually paid attention to how the thread unfolded, instead of scanning the posts then later coming back like you were rescuing some shit, you would have seen that the actually discussion didn't really jump off in response to your question, it was to mine. I answered the question, which, again, wasn't related to your initial question/opinion, then the resident genius Reggie decided to add his two cents by pulling examples of crime dramas out of his ass. No way I could let that shit slide.
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only crime dramas have to have characters who are good at their jobs.


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