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"OH SHIT LADY IN THE WATER JUST GOT ETHERED"


  

          

There have been some shitty reviews of Lady in the Water so far, but GODDAMN this one takes the cake.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=12636

Lady in the Water
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Director: M. Night Shyamalan
Starring: Paul Giamatti, Bryce Dallas Howard, M. Night Shyamalan
Opens Fri., July 21

Has M. Night Shyamalan lost his goddamn mind?

That's the only logical excuse for Lady in the Water, the Philly-based writer/director/egomaniac's convulsive seizure of narcissism that's so nakedly personal—and also so unintentionally, hilariously revealing—watching the movie feels a bit like walking in on your roommate while he's masturbating … to a picture of himself.

Billed as “a bedtime story by M. Night Shyamalan,” the film takes place entirely inside a run-down apartment complex, where Paul Giamatti's Cleveland Heep (the names in this movie are really something else) is the depressed, stuttering superintendent. There's a Rainbow Coalition cast of self-consciously “wacky” characters dwelling in their separate units just above the poverty line. And then one day a mermaid shows up in the swimming pool.

Well, not a mermaid per se. She's a “narf”—some sort of sea nymph who can see into the future, and is visiting here from “the blue world” to help “man get back on the right path.” Played by Bryce Dallas Howard in a joyless Osment-ian whisper, our narf is really more of a wet blanket, quivering in Giamatti's shower most of the time and gravely intoning ominous prophecies. Oh wait, did I forget to mention her name is “Story”?

Story has been sent to this particular pool so she may serve 
as a muse to a brilliant young writer—a young man so exceptional, with ideas so powerful, an entire generation is going to take his words to heart—and thanks to the fine work of this astounding young genius, our ravaged, war-torn earth will be returned to paradise.

The brilliant young writer is portrayed by M. Night Shyamalan.

Poor Story didn't cross into our world alone—there seem to be several snarling hellhounds on her trail. These creatures are called “scrunts,” which I believe is a word I once heard in a completely different context on The Howard Stern Show. It falls on Cleveland to rally all the rascally residents to perform a complex nonsense ritual that'll somehow enable a giant eagle to swoop down from the heavens and bring the ailing Story back home—all while keeping those nasty scrunts at bay.

What's remarkable—and dramatically deadening—is that everybody cheerfully goes along with this silliness, grinning beatifically and spouting affirmative aphorisms about accepting their destinies. Shyamalan clearly wants to make a parable about the importance of faith (territory he already mined in his far superior Signs) and the value of a community working together toward a positive goal.

The trouble is he's put it together so hamfistedly, with such overwrought, cringe-worthy dialogue, you'll half wonder if he's going to pull one of his patented twist endings and reveal the entire apartment complex is actually an insane asylum.

Also, it doesn't help that the positive goal he's assigned to this makeshift community involves protecting and nurturing the genius of M. Night Shyamalan.

Even more embarrassing is that the only note of skepticism from any of the residents comes from a pissy film critic played by Bob Balaban. Perhaps intended as some sort of cathartic payback for the savage reviews given to Shyamalan's The Village (and probably as an inoculation against the even harsher ones Lady in the Water is bound to receive), the scrunts rip the guy to shreds.

Shyamalan knows how to put a film together. Even The Village is one of the most elegantly crafted stupid movies you'll ever see. But his locked-down camera and church silences are a terrible match for this script's loosy-goosey mythological musings. If something this extraordinarily asinine were ever going to have a chance of working, it needed to be joyful and light on its feet. Lady in the Water sags under the usual M. Night hush, with leaden pauses between every whispered line.

Somewhere in the middle of this foolish thing, Story peers into the future (perhaps looking ahead to the derisive cackles at my screening) and informs Shyamalan that he'll one day be martyred for his writing, but it's okay because his work is still going to reach people, and the power of his ideas will change the world.

You know, even Shyamalan's buddy Mel Gibson had enough common sense not to cast himself as Jesus.

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lol. yeah, thats some ether.
Jul 18th 2006
1
LOL.
Jul 18th 2006
2
the thing is, in the end shyamalan won
Jul 18th 2006
3
my question is when is Giamatti gonna quit...
Jul 18th 2006
4
Because he hit it out of the park and everyone else got nominated.
Jul 19th 2006
30
100% cosign.
Jul 19th 2006
31
true that.
Jul 19th 2006
81
he didn't "carry" that movie...every performance was great.
Jul 19th 2006
41
      i agree
Jul 19th 2006
59
      RE: i agree
Jul 19th 2006
69
           do you prefer his dumbassery or assholery?
Jul 19th 2006
70
           dumbassery
Jul 20th 2006
102
           RE: i agree
Jul 23rd 2006
163
      agreed...
Jul 19th 2006
80
      Take him out of that movie and it is very, very average.
Jul 25th 2006
194
           Take THC or Virginia Madsen out & the same thing
Jul 25th 2006
199
                Take out Sandra Oh and send her over to my place...
Jul 26th 2006
201
                Disagreed.
Jul 27th 2006
202
GET 'EM OUT AND GET 'EM CLEEEAAANNN!!!!
Jul 19th 2006
39
      Should've got a supporting nom 4 Veal Chop in Safe Men
Jul 19th 2006
47
           RE: Should've got a supporting nom 4 Veal Chop in Safe Men
Jul 19th 2006
49
                RE: Should've got a supporting nom 4 Veal Chop in Safe Men
Jul 19th 2006
51
70 mil opening...160 gross...no one cares
Jul 18th 2006
5
Village opened with 50 million
Jul 18th 2006
8
i stick to my story....huge profit and no one cares about reviews
Jul 18th 2006
9
HE INDIAN!
Jul 19th 2006
12
You're right.
Jul 19th 2006
25
6.9 mil Friday, #3 finish behind Pirates and Monster House.
Jul 22nd 2006
143
      oh, i don't care
Jul 22nd 2006
145
           Yeah, that's about right.
Jul 22nd 2006
146
           For someone who doesn't care
Jul 23rd 2006
166
                so?
Jul 24th 2006
177
NARF! (c) Pinky
Jul 18th 2006
6
LOL
Jul 19th 2006
11
RE: NARF! (c) Pinky
Jul 19th 2006
27
Here's some more from Variety
Jul 18th 2006
7
The excerpt of the "tell-some" book in EW was nauseating
Jul 19th 2006
13
      Yeah, it was pretty bad. You could practically hear the fellatio...
Jul 19th 2006
22
           And on cue, here's the N.Y. Times review of the book...
Jul 19th 2006
23
                wow
Jul 19th 2006
29
                Looks like someone else got ethered too (swipe)
Jul 19th 2006
32
                there is a special level of hell for ppl like this:
Jul 21st 2006
116
                Ouch
Jul 19th 2006
44
                LMAO....wow.
Jul 19th 2006
82
13% on rottentomatoes right now
Jul 19th 2006
10
critics have had it in for this guy for years...he's the isiah of filmma...
Jul 19th 2006
14
but he doesnt do something different
Jul 19th 2006
15
so does ron howard and spielberg and woody allen, dumb ass
Jul 19th 2006
20
That's not really true
Jul 19th 2006
21
E.T., 1941 and Munich are interchangeable. You're right
Jul 19th 2006
28
spielberg's also been working 30 years...
Jul 19th 2006
36
      Hopefully, in that time, he won't still be working period
Jul 19th 2006
42
      you're just a mindless hater, swimming with the tide of hate
Jul 19th 2006
45
           Unlike your rediculous, original hate?
Jul 22nd 2006
151
      uhh, not quite
Jul 19th 2006
53
           i don't need to look up special effects swelling music steve's career
Jul 19th 2006
54
                yeah, his career is based on cheap gimmicks
Jul 19th 2006
56
                     ya'know? Schindler's List is a B movie if shot in color.
Jul 19th 2006
79
no they dont you moron
Jul 19th 2006
71
      ok, here's the thing, so you'll leave me alone...
Jul 19th 2006
76
           I see you've once again side stepped the issue
Jul 19th 2006
84
                nah, i've just tired of responding to you
Jul 19th 2006
85
                keep making baseless outrageous claims..
Jul 19th 2006
91
                tightly coiled steaming piles?
Jul 24th 2006
192
and kevin smith does nothing different...or good
Jul 19th 2006
37
      And you just compared Night to Kevin Smith
Jul 19th 2006
52
      mmmm, I did mention Kevin Smith didnt I...
Jul 19th 2006
72
Sorry Sags, gotta disagree
Jul 19th 2006
16
Unbreakable wasn't loved but got mostly good reviews.
Jul 19th 2006
17
      Damn, really?
Jul 19th 2006
24
Isiah of filmmaking? C'mon man.
Jul 19th 2006
26
You forget that Isiah was actually good.
Jul 19th 2006
33
      he lost fans with signs and it made more money his previous one?
Jul 19th 2006
38
           Well, don't take the analogy too literally.
Jul 19th 2006
43
           MI:2 made more than MI:1 but lost fan for the franchise
Jul 19th 2006
62
                that was a fucking sequel, Worst Analogy Ever Man...it's not the same
Jul 19th 2006
64
                     This from a guy who interchanges Spielberg and Kevin Smith
Jul 19th 2006
78
                          i didn't interchange them...i mentioned one after the other
Jul 19th 2006
83
                               Who doesn't admit those two aren't great?
Jul 19th 2006
86
All the more to make me go see it
Jul 19th 2006
18
cosign... I thought The Village was genius, but what mofos...
Jul 21st 2006
122
      RE: cosign... I thought The Village was genius, but what mofos...
Jul 21st 2006
124
      not really, but I'd love to know what the naysayers wanted...
Jul 21st 2006
130
           RE: not really, but I'd love to know what the naysayers wanted...
Jul 21st 2006
132
                *shrugs* I can definitely cosign this
Jul 21st 2006
133
      what was great about Signs???
Jul 22nd 2006
147
           The movie wasn't meant to be shocking, to me it was about
Jul 23rd 2006
156
           It's the greatest unintentional comedy ever
Jul 24th 2006
187
Ok, now I'm definitely not going
Jul 19th 2006
19
SMH somebody please body this guy. n/m
Jul 19th 2006
34
every time he makes another movie, i gotta rewatch 6th Sense...
Jul 19th 2006
35
RE: every time he makes another movie, i gotta rewatch 6th Sense...
Jul 19th 2006
48
teefuckinghee
Jul 22nd 2006
140
Ouch
Jul 23rd 2006
159
Sig Worthy...
Jul 19th 2006
40
If that bitch cant swim. She bound 2 drizown.
Jul 19th 2006
46
holy shit i didn't know this
Jul 19th 2006
50
I love how everybody is jumping on the bandwagon...
Jul 19th 2006
55
RE: I love how everybody is jumping on the bandwagon...
Jul 19th 2006
58
uh huh, it's all because of the review
Jul 19th 2006
61
People have been on the bandwagon, this is just a givin' it more steam
Jul 19th 2006
63
^^^^has a working brain
Jul 19th 2006
65
1 review? try your pick of horrible reviews on rottentomatoes.
Jul 19th 2006
66
I'm still going to see it
Jul 19th 2006
57
Me, too
Jul 19th 2006
75
I think he's a great director...but the scripts are where I take issue
Jul 19th 2006
92
LADY IN THE ETHER has just been greenlit
Jul 19th 2006
60
Looks like I will be seeing Clerks II this weekend.
Jul 19th 2006
67
and here's a nice review from Rex Reed
Jul 19th 2006
68
Cot-damn!
Jul 19th 2006
73
I hate Disney tho
Jul 19th 2006
74
look, rex reed is a faggot...we all know this...his opinion is useless
Jul 19th 2006
77
I like how some of y'all are making Night a media martyr.
Jul 19th 2006
87
blah blah blah...it'll make money
Jul 19th 2006
89
      Of course it will. Lots of bad movies have made money.
Jul 19th 2006
93
           and there you have it
Jul 19th 2006
94
EW's Lisa Schwartzbaum gives it a C... not quite etherous, but it'll do.
Jul 19th 2006
88
Question: can a movie be good and self-important?
Jul 19th 2006
90
      Schwartzbaum is notorious for spending 7 paragraphs on
Jul 20th 2006
96
But most important of all: Will the (Asiatic) rapper GLC go see this?
Jul 20th 2006
95
I want to know GLC's views on SoaP
Jul 20th 2006
101
      Yes, he appears every Thursday.
Jul 21st 2006
128
Gentle ethering from Scott Foundas of L.A. Weekly, best known here
Jul 20th 2006
97
Shyamalan is now getting a watered-down hate of the treatement....
Jul 20th 2006
98
i agree...and tarantina makes the same fuckin movie over and over
Jul 20th 2006
100
Is There A Twist?
Jul 20th 2006
99
Thats what I want to know...
Jul 20th 2006
104
RE: Is There A Twist?
Jul 20th 2006
105
      No twist
Jul 21st 2006
131
           RE: No twist
Jul 21st 2006
135
                Spoil it for me
Jul 21st 2006
136
Welp, I'm still going to see it.
Jul 20th 2006
103
co-sign...as well as millions of others that enjoy his movies.
Jul 20th 2006
106
Half of these critics are on Disney's balls... I'm watching it.
Jul 20th 2006
107
Or their payroll
Jul 20th 2006
110
Yeah, the very same critics who shat all over Pirates 2
Jul 21st 2006
114
      but Pirates wasn't good either nm
Jul 21st 2006
115
           No, kyser's point was that these critics are 'taking Disney's side'
Jul 21st 2006
117
                Not all of them, but c'mon, you know they get paid too.
Jul 21st 2006
120
                Ah I see..
Jul 21st 2006
123
Who knew that M Night Shamalayn had so many adopted kids?
Jul 20th 2006
108
They 'Takin' A Stand' for the Asiatic Man.
Jul 21st 2006
113
THANKS FOR THE SPOILER ALERT, DICK.
Jul 20th 2006
109
Which spoiler? That the movie sucks?
Jul 20th 2006
111
      lol
Jul 20th 2006
112
      "insane asylum"
Jul 21st 2006
121
           Reread it. The writer made it up.
Jul 21st 2006
127
                oops, my apologies
Jul 22nd 2006
150
RE: OH SHIT LADY IN THE WATER JUST GOT ETHERED
Jul 21st 2006
118
You seem to be under the impression
Jul 21st 2006
119
Woah now
Jul 21st 2006
126
a review is only meant to help us determine whether or not we should spe...
Jul 21st 2006
137
Fuck a review the trailer looked bad and his last three movies were crap
Jul 21st 2006
125
kinda offtopic but am i the only one that think he looks like spike lee?
Jul 21st 2006
129
Seriously, one of the worst stories ever
Jul 21st 2006
134
Spoil It For Me
Jul 21st 2006
138
      me too
Jul 22nd 2006
139
i wanna see what a scrunt looks like
Jul 22nd 2006
141
"I just want to punch this movie right in the face." (MORE ETHER)
Jul 22nd 2006
142
i get so tired of hipsters tryna be clever. shit's lame
Jul 22nd 2006
149
hmm...
Jul 22nd 2006
144
I just saw it. Man, it's really just not that good.
Jul 22nd 2006
148
the score was pretty great (spoilers?)
Jul 23rd 2006
153
If you think War of the Worlds is bad...wait till you get a loda of that...
Jul 23rd 2006
152
I love this movie.
Jul 23rd 2006
154
You must be a moviegoer who likes longwinded exposition for 2 hours.
Jul 23rd 2006
157
      umm...yes?
Jul 23rd 2006
162
lol @ the ppl who are mad in this post
Jul 23rd 2006
155
Estimated Weekend Box Office Take: $18.2 mil, 3rd place
Jul 23rd 2006
158
Damn. $32 million less than The Village's opening
Jul 23rd 2006
160
or, look at it this way:
Jul 23rd 2006
170
      I disagree
Jul 24th 2006
172
           well, there is no right answer, but...
Jul 24th 2006
179
                "Lady"'s reviews were so far beyond anything like those others though
Jul 24th 2006
181
                     So, people read reviews, except when they don't?
Jul 24th 2006
186
Super Ex-Girlfriend; so much for being the sleeper hit of the summer
Jul 23rd 2006
161
Basaglia = $52 million off on his prediction.
Jul 23rd 2006
164
      M Night GOOD DAD Shamalayn
Jul 23rd 2006
171
Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)
Jul 23rd 2006
165
RE: Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)
Jul 23rd 2006
167
RE: Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)
Jul 24th 2006
173
RE: Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)
Jul 24th 2006
180
I enjoyed it
Jul 23rd 2006
168
Theaters with alcohol>>>>>>>all of these things
Jul 23rd 2006
169
      Cosign & FUCK a starbucks
Jul 24th 2006
189
The Only Review That Matters
Jul 24th 2006
174
RE: The Only Review That Matters
Jul 24th 2006
178
LOL
Jul 24th 2006
182
      It actually was subtle and it was brilliant.
Jul 24th 2006
183
           Subtle? C'mon now
Jul 24th 2006
184
           RE: Subtle? C'mon now
Jul 24th 2006
188
           I agree with your post.
Jul 24th 2006
190
any person who likes this shit ( My GF included) is NUTS
Jul 24th 2006
175
i liked it. quite a bit, actually.
Jul 24th 2006
176
M. Night does SHIT movies....in an incredible way
Jul 24th 2006
185
M. Night is more polarizing than Hiliary Clinton
Jul 24th 2006
191
'Shyamaladenfreude:' More on the book... no serious ethering (swipe)
Jul 25th 2006
193
I can't wait to read the book
Jul 25th 2006
195
      RE: I can't wait to read the book
Jul 25th 2006
196
OH SHIT SHYAMALAN JUST STOLE ON LIKE, 10 PEOPLE
Jul 25th 2006
197
mugfucker you shyamalan *gunshots*
Jul 25th 2006
198
OH SHIT REX REED JUST STOLE ON NIGHT
Jul 26th 2006
200
Yeah, this was not a good film. In any way, shape, or form.
Jul 27th 2006
203
No shame. I love this movie.
Jul 29th 2006
205
wtf that was christopher doyle??
Jul 28th 2006
204
7 million? ouch.
Aug 01st 2006
206

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1. "lol. yeah, thats some ether."
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2. "LOL."
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3. "the thing is, in the end shyamalan won"
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cuz i'm pretty sure he didn't have to put up his own money ot make this movie.


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4. "my question is when is Giamatti gonna quit..."
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letting himself get typecast as the blithering half-wit.

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30. "Because he hit it out of the park and everyone else got nominated."
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That motherfucker CARRIED "Sideways" and everyone got nominated BUT HIM.

  

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31. "100% cosign."
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And as great as he was in Sideways, he was better in American Splendor and didn't get a nod.

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81. "true that."
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American Splendor role definitely topped Sideways.

At best, Sideways was an amusing movie, but Oscar-worthy only in the acting department. Other than that it was a well-done whimsical romantic comedy.

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41. "he didn't "carry" that movie...every performance was great."
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59. "i agree"
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i thought thomas haden church was great.

  

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69. "RE: i agree"
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>i thought thomas haden church was great.

He was solid up until the part where he had to cry.

  

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70. "do you prefer his dumbassery or assholery?"
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like, do you prefer it when plays an idiot like on wings, or a jerk like on ned & stacey or sideways?

i really like him as a sob, ned & stacey was one of my favorite shows.

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102. "dumbassery"
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>like, do you prefer it when plays an idiot like on wings, or
>a jerk like on ned & stacey or sideways?
>
>i really like him as a sob, ned & stacey was one of my
>favorite shows.

I really havent seen him in much but the few eps of Wings I watched he certainly had the dumbassery on lock. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Spidey 3 tho.

  

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163. "RE: i agree"
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>>i thought thomas haden church was great.
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>He was solid up until the part where he had to cry.
>

I thought that was the point. He wasn't really crying. He was faking it and since his character was a bad actor, he wasn't convincing.

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80. "agreed..."
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it's just that his character stands out so much because....um...he's a blithering half-wit.

notwithstanding the fact that he is indeed a great actor. I guess he won't be getting the leading man roles anytime soon.

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194. "Take him out of that movie and it is very, very average."
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He carried that damn thing.

  

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199. "Take THC or Virginia Madsen out & the same thing"
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201. "Take out Sandra Oh and send her over to my place..."
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...cuz, y'know...I wanna do things to her.


Dirty things.


  

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202. "Disagreed."
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There are a lot of actors who could have done what they did. There aren't that many who could have done what Giamatti did.

  

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39. "GET 'EM OUT AND GET 'EM CLEEEAAANNN!!!!"
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Planet of the Apes ethered alot of people's chances at getting a nod.. He'll get his though...

  

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47. "Should've got a supporting nom 4 Veal Chop in Safe Men"
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Ok not really but as bad as the Apes remake was, Tim Roth was still excellent in it.

  

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49. "RE: Should've got a supporting nom 4 Veal Chop in Safe Men"
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Tim Roth was the only performance worth watching in that flick... Speaking of.. Where has he been lately?

  

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51. "RE: Should've got a supporting nom 4 Veal Chop in Safe Men"
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>Tim Roth was the only performance worth watching in that
>flick...

^^^Whole truth & nothing but

Speaking of.. Where has he been lately?

Last thing I saw him in was Silver City but he has been busy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000619/

  

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5. "70 mil opening...160 gross...no one cares"
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8. "Village opened with 50 million"
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and was widely disliked. I can't see this film beating The Village which only brought in 114 domestically. I see this more like Unbreakable. 30 million opening, around 90 million gross (but does better overseas).

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9. "i stick to my story....huge profit and no one cares about reviews"
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12. "HE INDIAN!"
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25. "You're right."
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I know plenty of people who turn their noses up at the commercials for this, and they haven't even read the reviews.

People don't need critics to tell them something ain't right in the House of Shyamalan. This movie just doesn't look good.

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143. "6.9 mil Friday, #3 finish behind Pirates and Monster House."
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Take your L sir, cause this movie ain't breaking $60 mil.

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145. "oh, i don't care"
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146. "Yeah, that's about right."
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I'll accept it.

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166. "For someone who doesn't care"
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You sure spent a lot of energy arguing about it.

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177. "so?"
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6. "NARF! (c) Pinky"
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27. "RE: NARF! (c) Pinky"
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LOL.

  

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7. "Here's some more from Variety"
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> Lady in the Water

A Warner Bros. release presented in association with Legendary Pictures of a Blinding Edge Pictures production. Produced by M. Night Shyamalan, Sam Mercer. Directed, written by M. Night Shyamalan.

Cleveland Heep - Paul Giamatti
Story - Bryce Dallas Howard
Mr. Dury - Jeffrey Wright
Harry Farber - Bob Balaban
Anna Ran - Sarita Choudhury
Young-Soon Choi - Cindy Cheung
Vick Ran - M. Night Shyamalan
Reggie - Freddy Rodriguez
Mr. Leeds - Bill Irwin
Mrs. Bell - Mary Beth Hurt

By BRIAN LOWRY

Vindication is rarely as swift or complete as that likely awaiting the Disney execs who passed on M. Night Shyamalan's latest effort "Lady in the Water." After Disney balked, the director carted the project to Burbank neighbor Warner Bros., then lambasted his former studio for a lack of vision in a tie-in, tell-some book. Disney's misgivings were well founded, as Shyamalan has followed "The Village" with another disappointment -- a ponderous, self-indulgent bedtime tale. Awkwardly positioned, this gloomy gothic fantasy falls well short of horror, leaving grim theatrical prospects beyond whatever curiosity the filmmaker's reputation and the mini-controversy can scare up.

Although Shyamalan indicates in the storybook-style animated opening sequence that the story is derived from ancient myth, his perplexing creation stimulates a nagging sense that he's simply making it up as he goes along. (This is apparently the case, as the production notes say the idea "began as an impromptu bedtime story for his two young daughters.")

Among their complaints, Disney execs reportedly warned Shyamalan about presenting a clueless film critic as a supporting player, though compared with the pic's other transgressions, that one is harmless. The character appears designed to exact a measure of revenge against those who slighted "The Village" and to inoculate "Lady in the Water" against whatever barbs are hurled its way.

That rather gratuitous plot point, however, coupled with the writer-director-producer's expansion of his traditional Hitchcockian cameos into a pivotal role, does flavor the film with a distracting hint of self-absorption.

If Shyamalan's earlier works hinged on a clever twist or big surprise (think "The Sixth Sense" and "Unbreakable," and, less successfully, "The Village"), "Lady" telegraphs its intentions from the outset.

The lady in question, Story ("Village" star Bryce Dallas Howard), is a "Narf" -- a sea nymph from The Blue World who has taken up residence in the swimming pool of the Cove apartments, which no one will confuse with "Melrose Place."

The complex is home to an eclectic group of misfits, beginning with Cleveland Heep (Paul Giamatti), its emotionally wounded superintendent, who discovers Story and takes it upon himself to help the naked nymph fulfill her mission and return home, a task that will require the aid of various tenants. Throughout, she's in danger of attack by another Blue World visitor, the Scrunt, a werewolf-like creature that bears a passing resemblance to the "beasts" in "The Village."

Story is alternately fearful and full of other-worldly serenity, forcing Cleveland to elicit clues regarding the myth and how best to assist her from Young-Soon (Cindy Cheung), whose Korean-speaking mother is well versed in Narf lore. Others helping decipher the scheme include the aforementioned critic (Bob Balaban); a would-be writer (Shyamalan) and his sister (Sarita Choudhury); and a wordsmith (Jeffrey Wright) who excels at crossword puzzles.

Shyamalan's script is its own kind of puzzle, albeit one that never connects and generally handcuffs the large cast. Giamatti is appropriately schlubby and dour as the Everyman thrust into the organizing role, while Howard can never get much beyond a vacant, beatific stare. Only Cheung brings much vitality to the proceedings, and that's by jabbering away in fast-talking Pidgin English that's mostly silly but to some might border on offensive.

Nor does it help that Balaban's arrogant critic keeps discussing movie conventions and cliches in a film that builds toward an unsatisfying and abrupt climax. Reminding the audience where movies fall flat hardly seems advisable.

Tech credits similarly fail to impress, including the fleetingly glimpsed creature effects, which, given the marginal level of suspense, hardly seem to justify a PG-13 rating.

What's most acutely lacking, though, is magic equal to the movie's fairy-tale underpinnings -- starting with the enticing, childlike notion of something mysterious living in the swimming pool. Establishing a sense of fantasy, beyond James Newton Howard's hard-working score, might help people accept that a sort-of mermaid has moved in next door.

Instead, much of the action is confined to Story taking refuge in Cleveland's depressing flat, and the narrative proves a bit too intense for younger tykes yet neither exciting nor engaging enough to galvanize adults.

By publicly harpooning Disney, Shyamalan has rendered a kind of service -- illustrating how filmmakers can lose perspective on passion projects. Whatever the rationale behind the criticism, however, after using "Lady in the Water" to tuck in the kids, it should have been tucked away.
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13. "The excerpt of the "tell-some" book in EW was nauseating"
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It read like Scoop Jackson hyping up Night's film.

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22. "Yeah, it was pretty bad. You could practically hear the fellatio..."
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At least there's no "The Super Secret Spooky World of M. Night Shyamalan" show coming on to promote this movie... I like the guy, but he's seriously gone out of control... and he thinks Warners is going to let him touch one of the last two Harry Potters?
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23. "And on cue, here's the N.Y. Times review of the book..."
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>Books of the Times

'The Man Who Heard Voices'

Snubbed by Disney, What's Shyamalan to Do? Walk (and Diss)
By JANET MASLIN

New work by important filmmakers is always hyped by early publicity, some of it flattering enough to have been written at gunpoint. Now M. Night Shyamalan has set a new high-water mark for this sort of sycophancy. He has deigned to allow Michael Bamberger, a senior writer for Sports Illustrated, to follow him adoringly through every stage of the filmmaking process. The upshot is not just a puff article but a full-length, unintentionally riotous puff book.

Who is M. Night Shyamalan? The point is that you're supposed to know already. By some lights (namely his own and Mr. Bamberger's) he is an A-list Hollywood legend whose work is ablaze with beauty and wisdom. By others, he's the guy who made a mint with "The Sixth Sense," starred in an American Express ad and has now directed "Lady in the Water." The book makes landfall on July 20, a day before the movie does.

"The Man Who Heard Voices" isn't really the filmmaker's fault. His only serious misstep was allowing it to happen. It was Mr. Bamberger who met the auteur at a dinner party ("Night's shirt was half open — Tom Jones in his prime"), became awestruck ("What kind of power could he have over me?") and started taking deeply embarrassing notes.

How could Mr. Shyamalan have known that his Boswell would place him in a biblical light? The book finds some relevance for Night (as Mr. Bamberger calls him) in the fact that the word night, like the word day, shows up early in the Book of Genesis. It also describes an actress in Night's presence as "like Moses before the burning bush."

As is the case anytime Hollywood lets its hair down, this account exposes deep fault lines of privilege, power and class. Consider the story of Paula, who was Night's assistant when he was ready to spring his "Lady in the Water" screenplay upon the Walt Disney Company. Among Paula's virtues were the ability to make hot chocolate exactly the way Night likes it and to fly cross-country without going to the bathroom. The screenplay was far too important to be left unattended.

Paula "never confused her workaday world with the lives of the rich and superrich with whom she was in daily contact," Mr. Bamberger writes approvingly. He himself has more problems in this area, as he vicariously appreciates Night's home outside Philadelphia ("it was maybe the grandest of all the horse-country estates"), Night's staff, Night's fresh fruit and Night's "chicken with perfect grill lines." The last two were shared by Night's cast and crew, and the book takes note of his generosity.

But back to Paula: in a story that will live in legend, Mr. Bamberger reveals how she was not welcomed with sufficient deference at the home of the powerful Disney executive Nina Jacobson. Ms. Jacobson is blasted for having taken her son to a birthday party instead of dedicating her Sunday to Night's precise timetable for script-reading. "What could Nina be doing that's more important than getting Night's new script?" Mr. Bamberger asks. (The italics are his.) Then the coup de grâce: Paula was offered "low-carb soup from the refrigerator." The implications are clear: it may have come from a can.

The book describes Night's sustained petulance over this snubbing in terms that are, by any standards known on Planet Earth, astounding. So is Mr. Bamberger's ability to pipe-cleaner any anecdote until it twists into a lesson about Night. Night reminds himself of Bob Dylan — and Mr. Dylan's ability to affect a wide and diverse audience is very like Night's, according to the book. When the film's leading lady, Bryce Dallas Howard, is covered with welts after having been dragged across grass and twigs, Night is the injured party. "I can't have a reputation as a director who doesn't protect his actors," he is quoted as saying.

There's a howler on every page for a while. But eventually there's also something real. If only because he had to finish this book so hurriedly (it has a final section dated April 18, 2006), Mr. Bamberger stops genuflecting long enough to capture a Wizard of Oz poignancy about his subject. This happens despite the fact that Night is "devastated" when not enough cast and crew members show up for his "Wizard of Oz" screening.

"Beneath Night's zeal were great reserves of sadness and desperation," the book finally acknowledges. Its overall sense of the filmmaker's self-importance certainly jibes with that impression. There are glimpses of a childhood full of parental pressure, with an emphasis on whopping accomplishments. When Mr. Shyamalan appeared on the cover of Newsweek, his father told him that Time had a bigger circulation. His mother is an obstetrician who once removed a record-breaking 80-pound ovarian cyst. "No wonder Night was such a stat man," Mr. Bamberger says.

There are actually other people who figure in "The Man Who Heard Voices." Eventually the book shifts its emphasis and finds time for them. The boozy antics of the cinematographer Christopher Doyle stand out, as does the personal style of Paul Giamatti, the new film's leading man. "Dude, I am so 'Lady,' " he told Mr. Shyamalan as he accepted the role.

Although Mr. Bamberger treats this film set as if it were the only one that has ever been made, he does a decent job of explaining the function of each cast and crew member. Then there are the executives' roles. "Lady in the Water" was made by Warner Brothers, but the book expresses some kind of backhanded gratitude from Mr. Shyamalan to Disney, because what hurt him eventually made him stronger. By that standard, "The Man Who Heard Voices" will do him a world of good.
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32. "Looks like someone else got ethered too (swipe)"
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Maybe Night will have the last laugh after all... From the L.A. Times:

>Disney Fires Film Production President

Nina Jacobson will be replaced by marketing head Oren Aviv as the company revamps unit.

By Claudia Eller
Times Staff Writer

July 19, 2006

Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group President Nina Jacobson has become the first high-level casualty of a major restructuring of the studio's movie operation that will see 650 employees lose their jobs and will save the Burbank company $90 million to $100 million a year in overhead.

Jacobson, 40, one of Hollywood's most respected movie executives, was fired Monday morning by her boss, studio Chairman Dick Cook, when she called him from the hospital room where her partner was about to deliver their third child. Despite the record-breaking performance of Disney's current release, "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," she was hearing rumors and wanted reassurance that her job was safe. It wasn't. Cook told Jacobson — who had two years to go on her three-year contract — that Oren Aviv, the studio's marketing chief, was replacing her as president of production.

Cook offered Jacobson a production deal at the studio, which she declined.

"I would rather start fresh with something new," she said Tuesday. "I feel very sad to be leaving a job that I have loved."

Cook called Jacobson a "good friend, great colleague and tireless worker." Acknowledging that the timing was bad, Cook said, "I begged to see her face to face and she wanted to talk to me right then. This was not what anybody wanted."

In a news release hastily issued late Tuesday, the studio detailed its much anticipated revamping of its movie division.

The studio will consolidate its domestic and international theatrical and home entertainment marketing and distribution operations under two executives. Mark Zoradi, who was head of Disney's international operation, will oversee the distribution and marketing of Disney and Touchstone movies worldwide. Robert Chapek will head the studio's new global home entertainment division.

Cook said consolidating the studio's global operations made sense. "A significant amount of our revenue comes from international," he said. "There are some great savings to be had."

The consolidation will reduce the studio's global workforce by about 20%, divided equally between Disney's U.S. operations and its overseas units.

The only units that will not be affected, Cook said, are Disney's and Pixar's animation operations; the studio's specialty label, Miramax Films; the music group; and Disney's stage production unit.

Cook said the studio planned to produce about 10 Disney live action and animated movies a year plus two to three films under its older-skewing Touchstone Pictures label. Asked why he chose Aviv, despite his relative lack of production experience, Cook called him "a great executive with fabulous taste who not only has great knowledge of the business but the Disney brand."

Aviv has worked at Disney for 15 years, during which he executive-produced two films: Disney's 2004 hit "National Treasure" and the 1997 dud "Rocket Man."

Jim Gallagher will replace Aviv as marketing president.

Many in Hollywood were shocked that Jacobson, an eight-year veteran of the studio, was fired even as Disney was enjoying the riches of one of the franchises she nurtured. The "Pirates" sequel has grossed more than $250 million in 10 days.

In an interview, "Pirates" producer Jerry Bruckheimer said of Jacobson: "We had a great run together, and I wish her well."

Like any studio executive, Jacobson has had a mixed track record. She is credited with such blockbusters as last year's "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe," M. Night Shyamalan's "The Sixth Sense" and Bruckheimer's "Remember the Titans." She also oversaw such costly misses as "The Alamo" and "Hildalgo."

"Alamo" producer Mark Johnson said as disappointed as she was, Jacobson "never turned on" the director of the film or Johnson himself.

"She is the best studio executive I have ever worked with. You know where you stand with her," said Johnson, who went on to produce "Narnia."

Industry insiders believe Jacobson, who also took creative risks on offbeat films such as Wes Anderson's "A Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou" and Joel and Ethan Coen's "The Ladykillers" — both box-office bombs — took the fall for Disney's spotty track record over the last two years.

If so, some said, that was a shame.

"She is one of the best executives in the business," said Sony Pictures movie chief Amy Pascal. "Talent loves her and she knows how to walk the tricky tightrope that all of us in these jobs have to walk, navigating commerce and art."

On Tuesday, Jacobson recalled some advice Bruckheimer gave her on her first day on the job: "There are two kinds of people in this job: the ones who think they'll have it forever and the ones who know they won't." She tried, she said, "to treat the job as a privilege, not an entitlement."
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116. "there is a special level of hell for ppl like this:"
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>Jacobson, 40, one of Hollywood's most respected movie
>executives, was fired Monday morning by her boss, studio
>Chairman Dick Cook, when she called him from the hospital room
>where her partner was about to deliver their third child.

  

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44. "Ouch"
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"...By others, he's the guy who made a mint with "The Sixth Sense," starred in an American Express ad and has now directed "Lady in the Water." "

--Maurice


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82. "LMAO....wow."
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"Night Reminds himself of Bob Dylan..."

hahahahahahaha
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10. "13% on rottentomatoes right now"
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14. "critics have had it in for this guy for years...he's the isiah of filmma..."
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it's ridiculous how much hate he gets for doing something different and tryna bring some magic back to the movies.

fuck a critic...let them go give three stars outta four to fuckin longform music videos like m.i. iii and miami vice and SNL skits like EVERY WILL FARRELL movie

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15. "but he doesnt do something different"
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he does the same....exact....thing...in every single movie he makes...

  

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20. "so does ron howard and spielberg and woody allen, dumb ass"
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21. "That's not really true"
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Ron Howard gets shit on from time-to-time. DaVinci Code got killed by critics as did the Missing. The Grinch didn't get any love either.

Woody Allen got killed by critics until Match Point, which was very different from most of his work. He didn't have a well reviewed movie since Sweet and Lowdown. Everyone Says I Love You and Deconstructing Harry were his last well reviewed comedies.

As for Spielberg, he gets a pass from critics but I don't think you can say War of the Worlds, Munich and The Terminal are the exact same thing, and those are his last three movies.

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28. "E.T., 1941 and Munich are interchangeable. You're right"
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36. "spielberg's also been working 30 years..."
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do you really think dude is gonna be doing the same kinda movies in 10-15 years?

i remember all spielberg made was big budget bullshit about aliens, ghosts and sharks before the color purple.

AND HE STILL MAKE SHIT ABOUT ALIENS!

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42. "Hopefully, in that time, he won't still be working period"
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45. "you're just a mindless hater, swimming with the tide of hate"
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nm

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151. "Unlike your rediculous, original hate?"
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53. "uhh, not quite"
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just look him up on imdb.
Not to mention the fact that every Spielberg movie about Aliens blows anything M. Night has ever done away.

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54. "i don't need to look up special effects swelling music steve's career"
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56. "yeah, his career is based on cheap gimmicks"
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79. "ya'know? Schindler's List is a B movie if shot in color."
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71. "no they dont you moron"
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shouldnt you be bitching about white people in OKsports right now clown?

  

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76. "ok, here's the thing, so you'll leave me alone..."
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see, i don't hate white people. i pretend to hate them for laughs and to stir up shit.

everyone has come to get the joke...except you.

you're *that* guy.

it's sad.

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84. "I see you've once again side stepped the issue"
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you made the claim, now back it up...how do those other directors do the same thing over and over again?? Just face the fact that M.N.S is nothing but a garbage director who keeps rehashing the same exact thing in each of his tightly coiled steaming piles

also, I get your whole race thing(you're not exactly deep enough for it to be difficult to understand)
But even if it aint true hate, that won't stop me from pointing out how just how unclever and tired your one trick pony ass is with that shit

Now, got blame your total lack of pussy on Whitey and move on

  

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85. "nah, i've just tired of responding to you"
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>Now, got blame your total lack of pussy on Whitey and move on

*smirk*

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91. "keep making baseless outrageous claims.."
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it's fun watching the entire board shut you down

  

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192. "tightly coiled steaming piles?"
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Ya'll are wonderful. I love this site.

  

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37. "and kevin smith does nothing different...or good"
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52. "And you just compared Night to Kevin Smith"
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I would say that's an L for Shymalan.

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72. "mmmm, I did mention Kevin Smith didnt I..."
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smmfh

You should just stick to the one trick you know

  

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16. "Sorry Sags, gotta disagree"
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His first 3 films were dickridden into oblivion. Only The Village got negative reviews (and it had some positive ones, too). This seems like his first truly hated film.

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17. "Unbreakable wasn't loved but got mostly good reviews."
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It was a 6 out of 10. Village got a middling 42% at Rotten Tomatoes (5.5 out of 10). Lady is at 13 right now.

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24. "Damn, really?"
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The review I read of Unbreakable at the time was hyping it as the next big shit, and I saw it and came out with a good opinion. Still Night's best film IMO.

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26. "Isiah of filmmaking? C'mon man."
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I will give you that M Night wants to bring the magic back...but him getting hated on for this one movie (yes, that's it...almost everything else he's done has had an audience even critically) is NOT the same as Isiah. Not even close.

Night might be slightly one dimensional, but he does what he does well. That being said, I will not be seeing this. It looks abysmal.

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33. "You forget that Isiah was actually good."
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The equivalent would be if you could find a player who had a slightly flawed, but a generally interesting-to-follow rookie season (Sixth Sense); next season ends much the same, but is a little weaker stats-wise (Unbreakable); tries to change his game style slightly yet loses some fans due to a general theme to his gameplay (Signs); embarrasses himself next season with on-court theatrics that end with his team not even making the playoffs (The Village); and by the fifth season, we're not even waiting for the outcome since he's starting it off so poorly (Lady in the Water).

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38. "he lost fans with signs and it made more money his previous one?"
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43. "Well, don't take the analogy too literally."
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But once it was established it was another "twist ending" movie, some of his more critical fans (I was one, at one point) started getting bored with his style.

It's just a personal opinion, though.

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62. "MI:2 made more than MI:1 but lost fan for the franchise"
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which is why MI:3 was a major disappointment. I'd say the same thing is going to happen with Pirates. I don't think 3 will make as much money as 2, since a lot of people hate the sequal.

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64. "that was a fucking sequel, Worst Analogy Ever Man...it's not the same"
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cruise made 230+ with war of the worlds.

and mi:iii tanked because of that marriage and that kid.

but you already knew all of that, reacher.

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78. "This from a guy who interchanges Spielberg and Kevin Smith"
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in his analogies.

A lot of people went to see The Village and didn't like it. A good number of them will not go see Lady in the Water.

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83. "i didn't interchange them...i mentioned one after the other"
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and the calibur of the directors is not the point. the point is that everyone i mentioned is known for making a particular type of movie.

look, man, any damn fool can see that all of this m.night hate is coming from critics who didn't like the praise he got for sixth sense and are going overboard in their efforts to justify how overrated he is. it's a fucking joke.

i like dude's movies and i take them for what they are...like i do with any director/actor/producer known for a particular style.

all this hate is gratutitous and lame. i'm into hating on stuff that no one has the courage or integrity to admit isn't that great...like notable white GMs that fuck up teams and post-rushmore wes anderson.

why hate on some shit everyone else is hating on? if you ain't help start the hate, get off the wagon.

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86. "Who doesn't admit those two aren't great?"
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"i'm into hating on stuff that no one has the courage or integrity to admit isn't that great...like notable white GMs that fuck up teams and post-rushmore wes anderson."

Most people mock most NBA GM's, white or black, and Wes Anderson seems cool which is why he escapes from the hate. Most people are underwhelmed by his latest movies. Night is too full of himself. He brings the hate on himself.

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18. "All the more to make me go see it"
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I love that guy's movies.

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122. "cosign... I thought The Village was genius, but what mofos..."
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wanted was the monsters to be real, some outerspace shit, that could deliver 10 more sequels. Signs was great to me as well... I just think he's a talented cat.

  

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124. "RE: cosign... I thought The Village was genius, but what mofos..."
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>wanted was the monsters to be real, some outerspace shit,
>that could deliver 10 more sequels.

You sure about that?

  

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130. "not really, but I'd love to know what the naysayers wanted..."
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he gave character development, a plot that kept you watching and an ending that wrapped it up... and it really wasn't riddled with holes, although you could pick it apart like most movies. Don't get me wrong, it ain't for everybody... hell, then again, I can't figure out why people disliked Kill Bill. What do you say about The Village?

  

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132. "RE: not really, but I'd love to know what the naysayers wanted..."
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>he gave character development, a plot that kept you watching
>and an ending that wrapped it up... and it really wasn't
>riddled with holes, although you could pick it apart like most
>movies. Don't get me wrong, it ain't for everybody... hell,
>then again, I can't figure out why people disliked Kill Bill.
>What do you say about The Village?

I say after Signs he lost my interest till I see something in a trailer that looks like a cant miss &/or more positive reviews. I've seen bits n pieces of it on cable but eventually I realize there's some sports event on that I'd rather watch.

  

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133. "*shrugs* I can definitely cosign this"
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I've seen bits n pieces of it on cable but eventually
>I realize there's some sports event on that I'd rather watch.

  

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147. "what was great about Signs???"
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seriously, i wanna know...cause i was laughing when i was supposed to be "schocked" and whatnot throughout the movie...


M Night's best work will always be Unbreakable for me...6th is next...

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156. "The movie wasn't meant to be shocking, to me it was about"
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the restoration of Faith. It was like that moment with his wife before she died was the blueprint for he and his family to survive the Alien invasion. For me the movie's protagonist was God(thru Gibson's wife) and the antagonist was the Gibson character's loss in the Belief. For me it was not an Alien flick, but a movie about not losing your faith. On the flip, I was not a fan of Unbreakable(But I'll bet if you broke down why it's your fav, I'll prolly see it in a different light), in fact, it's my least favorite. 6th Sense is mos def my favorite, Signs being the 2nd.

  

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187. "It's the greatest unintentional comedy ever"
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>seriously, i wanna know...cause i was laughing when i was
>supposed to be "schocked" and whatnot throughout the movie...

As was I. Me & my roomates @ the time treated it like MST3K

>M Night's best work will always be Unbreakable for me...6th is
>next...

I havent seen 6th in a really long time but I still think I like it better than Unbreakable. Besides the twist that wasnt there tho, Unbreakable was a pretty good flick.

  

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19. "Ok, now I'm definitely not going"
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and i want to know the twist.

spoil it for me.

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34. "SMH somebody please body this guy. n/m"
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35. "every time he makes another movie, i gotta rewatch 6th Sense..."
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just to reafirm that it is, in fact, a really good flick.

i can't remember another film maker who's gone down hill so fast.

even his American Express commercial was pure garbage. i dunno if his deal with Satan was only like a trial-offer thing or what...

  

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48. "RE: every time he makes another movie, i gotta rewatch 6th Sense..."
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>just to reafirm that it is, in fact, a really good flick.
>
>i can't remember another film maker who's gone down hill so
>fast.
>
>even his American Express commercial was pure garbage. i
>dunno if his deal with Satan was only like a trial-offer thing
>or what...

I think it was a 5 picture deal

  

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140. "teefuckinghee"
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i
>dunno if his deal with Satan was only like a trial-offer thing
>or what...

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159. "Ouch"
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>i
>dunno if his deal with Satan was only like a trial-offer thing
>or what...

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40. "Sig Worthy..."
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watching the movie feels a bit like walking in on your roommate while he's masturbating … to a picture of himself.

DAYUM!!! That smartz!

  

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46. "If that bitch cant swim. She bound 2 drizown."
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>Has M. Night Shyamalan lost his goddamn mind?

Apparently so. Sounds like his ego finally got so big it left his head

>That's the only logical excuse for Lady in the Water, the
>Philly-based writer/director/egomaniac's convulsive seizure of
>narcissism that's so nakedly personal—and also so
>unintentionally, hilariously revealing—watching the movie
>feels a bit like walking in on your roommate while he's
>masturbating … to a picture of himself.

Wow. And I was sorta interested in seeing this movie till that line

>Billed as “a bedtime story by M. Night Shyamalan,” the film
>takes place entirely inside a run-down apartment complex,
>where Paul Giamatti's Cleveland Heep (the names in this movie
>are really something else) is the depressed, stuttering
>superintendent. There's a Rainbow Coalition cast of
>self-consciously “wacky” characters dwelling in their separate
>units just above the poverty line. And then one day a mermaid
>shows up in the swimming pool.
>
>Well, not a mermaid per se. She's a “narf”

Snarf would've been better. He hasnt gotten much work since the Thundercat days.

—some sort of sea
>nymph who can see into the future, and is visiting here from
>“the blue world” to help “man get back on the right path.”

Mmmmmmkay

>Story has been sent to this particular pool so she may serve
>
as a muse to a brilliant young writer—a young man so
>exceptional, with ideas so powerful, an entire generation is
>going to take his words to heart—and thanks to the fine work
>of this astounding young genius, our ravaged, war-torn earth
>will be returned to paradise.


>The brilliant young writer is portrayed by M. Night
>Shyamalan.

Well @ least he's moved from suspense to comedy

Shyamalan clearly wants to make a
>parable about the importance of faith (territory he already
>mined in his far superior Signs)

That's the clincher. If Signs is far superior there's no way in hell I'll be checking this out

>The trouble is he's put it together so hamfistedly, with such
>overwrought, cringe-worthy dialogue, you'll half wonder if
>he's going to pull one of his patented twist endings and
>reveal the entire apartment complex is actually an insane
>asylum.

^^^This guy should've been part of that earlier thread where we were all trying to guess the twist.

>Also, it doesn't help that the positive goal he's assigned to
>this makeshift community involves protecting and nurturing the
>genius of M. Night Shyamalan.

Uhhhhhh ya think?

>Even more embarrassing is that the only note of skepticism
>from any of the residents comes from a pissy film critic
>played by Bob Balaban. Perhaps intended as some sort of
>cathartic payback for the savage reviews given to Shyamalan's
>The Village (and probably as an inoculation against the even
>harsher ones Lady in the Water is bound to receive), the
>scrunts rip the guy to shreds.

Pathetic

>Shyamalan knows how to put a film together. Even The Village
>is one of the most elegantly crafted stupid movies you'll ever
>see. But his locked-down camera and church silences are a
>terrible match for this script's loosy-goosey mythological
>musings. If something this extraordinarily asinine were ever
>going to have a chance of working, it needed to be joyful and
>light on its feet.

Hence Snarf insteada narf

Lady in the Water sags under the usual M.
>Night hush, with leaden pauses between every whispered line.
>
>Somewhere in the middle of this foolish thing, Story peers
>into the future (perhaps looking ahead to the derisive cackles
>at my screening) and informs Shyamalan that he'll one day be
>martyred for his writing, but it's okay because his work is
>still going to reach people, and the power of his ideas will
>change the world.

Comedy

>You know, even Shyamalan's buddy Mel Gibson had enough common
>sense not to cast himself as Jesus.

Ouch

  

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50. "holy shit i didn't know this"
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>Story has been sent to this particular pool so she may serve
>
as a muse to a brilliant young writer—a young man so
>exceptional, with ideas so powerful, an entire generation is
>going to take his words to heart—and thanks to the fine work
>of this astounding young genius, our ravaged, war-torn earth
>will be returned to paradise.
>
>The brilliant young writer is portrayed by M. Night
>Shyamalan.

Oh my Lord, I didn't realize someone could ether themselves so badly.

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55. "I love how everybody is jumping on the bandwagon..."
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...because of a review by some dude who writes for Philadelphia Weekly. The movie may suck ass, it may not, none of you have seen it. But damn, give it a chance at least. The guy, at least in my opinion, has proven himself as a talented filmmaker and storyteller.

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58. "RE: I love how everybody is jumping on the bandwagon..."
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>...because of a review by some dude who writes for
>Philadelphia Weekly. The movie may suck ass, it may not, none
>of you have seen it. But damn, give it a chance at least.

All I needed 2 read was the premise 2 know that I wont be giving this one a chance. I was on his side w/ 6th sense. He lost me a lil bit w/ the claims of Unbreakables "twist". Almost caused me 2 hunt him down & ask 4 my $ back w/ Signs. Didnt bother w/ his last one & wont bother w/ this one either. His ego has got the best of him. Bottom line.

>The guy, at least in my opinion, has proven himself as a
>talented filmmaker and storyteller.

But also has consistently got worse w/ each movie he's made since 6th sense.

  

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61. "uh huh, it's all because of the review"
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and nothing to do with the premise or his last 3 movies

  

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63. "People have been on the bandwagon, this is just a givin' it more steam"
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I was done after Signs. Never saw the Village and won't see this. Night is a talented director but I think he'd be wise to make some movies that he didn't write. He should follow Spike Lee's lead; make pictures for studios so you can afford your own passion projects.

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65. "^^^^has a working brain"
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nm

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66. "1 review? try your pick of horrible reviews on rottentomatoes."
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57. "I'm still going to see it"
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And I'll say this much:

Initially, I HATED The Village. I'm talking "damn, I wish I walked out of this shit, I want my money back, FUCK this asshole" hated. Yet when I watched again on DVD, I realized, you know what, it's a decent flick.

Still a lot of corny things (Adrian Brody's character, the look of "the monster", etc.), but I appreciated the storytelling quite a bit.

And a big part of that was because I went in expecting something and got something else.

So I'll be there to see this one, trying not to prejudge.

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75. "Me, too"
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I don't trust those critics. Wait a second, I never trust critics...and I liked The Village when I first saw it. I loved Unbreakable and Signs was okay.

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92. "I think he's a great director...but the scripts are where I take issue"
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The Village was a 90 degree turn from the sharp scripts to his first 3 movies. It had stilted dialogue, awful turns... the story told by the script was bad enough to discount the good performances, beautiful cinematography, and fantastic score.

Judging by these reviews, I'm thinking Lady in the Water has potential to be more of the same: a crappy story told very well.

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60. "LADY IN THE ETHER has just been greenlit"
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67. "Looks like I will be seeing Clerks II this weekend."
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Though in all fairness, i loved The Village, and that got pretty bad reviews. So this movie may not be as bad as the critics say, but this is not encouraging at all.

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68. "and here's a nice review from Rex Reed"
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Shyamalan’s Latest Sham

By: Rex Reed
Date: 7/24/2006
Page: 14

As vacation time nears, it is safe to say that no matter how rotten things get on the big screen during the rest of the summer, the worst of it is over. Hollywood cannot pollute the ozone with anything more idiotic, contrived, amateurish or sub-mental than Lady in the Water. This piece of pretentious, paralyzing twaddle is the latest in a series of head-scratchers by the incompetent, self-delusional M. Night Shyamalan. He’s the writer, producer and director, and terrible at all three, but if that isn’t bad enough, this time he has even gone one further and cast himself in one of the roles. I am here to tell you he is about as camera-ready as the corpse that Tommy Lee Jones dragged across the cactus in Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada. In a war of wits, brains, imagination and talent, Mr. Shyamalan would be defenseless.

Lady in the Water is described by Mr. Shyamalan as a “bedtime story” he told to his kids. Do not even think of repeating it to yours unless you plan to turn them into runaways, orphans or worse. No sane person could do justice to the plot, since the plot is as comprehensible as the ukulele of Tiny Tim and the voice of Tom Waits, but it goes something like this: A strange apartment building called the Cove stands in the middle of what looks like a jungle in Tanganyika, but is really Philadelphia.

The super of this U-shaped, five-story, 57-unit junkyard is a creep with Tourette’s syndrome named Cleveland Heep, played by Paul Giamatti, who ticks and stutters his way through a battery of mannerisms in a nerdy performance that is more annoying and affected than usual, which is saying a lot. Mr. Heep is always finding flotsam in the drain, and there is something wrong with the swimming pool. The water is slimy and at the bottom there’s a secret world inhabited by a weird woman the color of kindergarten paste called a “narf.” The narf, named Story and played by director Ron Howard’s daughter, Bryce Dallas Howard, climbs out of the water naked and sleeps on Mr. Heep’s sofa. She’s a spirit who is trying to get back to the mythological Blue World at the bottom of the ocean on the wings of a giant eagle called the Great Eatlon, but she’s in danger of being clawed to death by vicious green carnivores called “scrunts” who look like warthogs covered with sea grass. The scrunts have poison claws; three scratches and you die. The only things that can save a narf are the “Tartutics,” who live in the trees of Philadelphia and look like Margaret Hamilton’s flying monkeys from Oz.

All of this may be going on right now, says Mr. Shyamalan, in your own backyard. He needs a room with a view, with bars on the windows and no sharp objects.

Meanwhile, the super summons the tenants in the Cove to act as human vessels and protect Story from the hairy scrunts until the Great Eatlon arrives and flies her back to the world she came from. This ecosystem includes Freddy Rodríguez as a lopsided weight lifter who only works on one side of his body; Mary Beth Hurt as an old woman who collects animals; Bill Irwin as a stoop-shouldered recluse who hides in his television set; Jeffrey Wright as part of a father-son combo that does crossword puzzles; Cindy Cheung as a Korean college girl whose mother knows the bedtime story about the lady in the water but only reveals one clue at a time to spread the movie to a length of just under two hours of tedium; and Bob Balaban as a movie critic who has seen so many horror films he can predict the endings (just as every movie critic I know can predict the ending of every movie by M. Night Shyamalan).

The tenants take on the roles of the ancient characters in the Blue World and act as symbolists who can read clouds, and guilds who can solve the problems of the universe with their hands, communicating the clues to the spirit world on cell phones. Mr. Shyamalan plays the most boring one of all and, to his credit, gives himself the dullest dialogue. Alas, the solution to all the ancient puzzles of the spirit world is reserved for the crossword-puzzle child, who finds the answers to the plagues against mankind on a box of Cheerios!

Before Big Bird flies in like a 747, Story escapes the carnivorous scrunts, who eat the cynical movie critic instead. Therein lies another of Mr. Shyamalan’s secret fantasies—inspired, for obvious reasons, by his reviews. I was sorry to see the critic end up like one of the tourists in Jurassic Park, because he speaks the only line in the movie that makes one lick of sense: “There is no originality left in the world. That’s a sad fact I’ve learned to live with.”

I like whimsy, fantasy and artistic license as much as the next guy trying to get in touch with his inner 6-year-old child, but to succeed, even a fairy tale must be believable. This movie is more about arrogance than anything else. A whole book has just been published about Mr. Shyamalan’s reckless budget, myopic vision and refusal to throw in the towel, after at least six Walt Disney executives flew to Philadelphia to meet with him before admitting they didn’t understand the script. Only the accountants will ever know if they were prophets or fools, but in my opinion, when Disney turns you down on the basis of incoherence, you know it’s time for a reality check. Who knew there were that many smart producers at Disney?

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73. "Cot-damn!"
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What's up w/Rez? He gave M. Night both barrells.

  

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74. "I hate Disney tho"
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And I'm still going to see the movie.

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77. "look, rex reed is a faggot...we all know this...his opinion is useless"
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the man can't even marry who he loves, for fuck's sake. why should anyone listen to him?

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87. "I like how some of y'all are making Night a media martyr."
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Nevermind that he's got a book out, that he commissioned, that's shameless in its fawning of him. Nevermind that most of us here say that we generally dig his movies. No, y'all got to "Take A Stand" and say "Eff Them Critics" and go out and show your support for his movie, cause we all know how much of a struggling filmmaker he is.

If you're going to check out the movie, then check it out, but don't make it out to be some kind of grand, anti-critical statement.
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89. "blah blah blah...it'll make money"
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93. "Of course it will. Lots of bad movies have made money."
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm

PLENTY of bad and/or disappointing movies on that list.

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94. "and there you have it"
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88. "EW's Lisa Schwartzbaum gives it a C... not quite etherous, but it'll do."
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>Few moviegoers had heard of M. Night Shyamalan in 1999 when The Sixth Sense debuted, a blast of shivery-good cinematic entertainment that dispelled the torpor of the bug-bitten summertime release schedule with its chilled ghost-story foundation and warm psychological decor. But the banality of famelessness ceased to be the filmmaker's problem the minute young Haley Joel Osment began seeing dead people: Suddenly the storyteller was the story, and a corker of a Hollywood success saga at that. A twentysomething writer-director (as well as producer-actor and, these days, father-American Express Card pitchman), Shyamalan instantly established a name for himself as a self-confident filmmaker of high compositional standards, an intriguing young fogy committed to an ancient and ostensibly disappearing old-fogy tradition of ripping yarns. More important, Sixth Sense was a hit, a crowd-pleaser: This starry Night showed himself to be an aesthetic perfectionist with a golden commercial touch.

With Unbreakable (2000), Signs (2002), and The Village (2004), Shyamalan continued to plow his field of dreams, a place where specially gifted Shyamalan kind of men (Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson, Joaquin Phoenix) sort out the real, true, and important from the hoo-ha everyone else is feeding them — especially since the real, true, and important is often of a spiritual and/or supernatural nature. To mash myths only slightly, a Shyamalan man is a wizard trapped in a world of Muggles. As, it seems, the filmmaker himself has come to believe is his fate.

Muggledom runs amok in Lady in the Water, Shyamalan's most alienating and self-absorbed project to date. His most fanciful, too, since the narrative springs from a fairy tale the director made up for his two daughters: A nymphlike creature named Story (The Village's Bryce Dallas Howard, her waifishness perhaps borrowed from old photos of Mia Farrow in bangs), who's actually a magical narf from the Blue World, gets stranded among the non-narf residents of a depressed, earthbound apartment complex suitable for recycling in a droll Jim Jarmusch pastiche. The place is haphazardly managed by a stuttering drabster named Cleveland Heep (Paul Giamatti), and clearly something about the name heeped on his character (in a movie riddled with eccentric monikers) has undone Giamatti, who doesn't stand a chance at making the guy relatable, even as a schlub.

Story needs to get back to where she once belonged, but she's thwarted by an unpleasant, wiry, drooling creature called a scrunt, and it's up to Cleveland to rally the rest of the circus-tent tenants (among them Cindy Cheung as a hard-edged, go-getter Korean college student, Jeffrey Wright as a quiet crossword-puzzle fanatic, Bill Irwin as a dour, housebound TV watcher, and Shyamalan as a sensitive writer whose work, Story prophesies, will profoundly affect future generations) to help Dorothy get back to Kansas. I mean to help E.T. get back to the spaceship. I mean to help Story get back to the Blue World, and in so doing, discover the bit of spiritual blue that exists within each of us if only we believe in Tinker Bell, ecology, Jungian archetypes, and the possibility of being touched by an angel.

Except, of course, for the one who is untouchable. It is the movie's proudest and biggest fart joke that the building's newest resident is a ''books and movie critic'' named Mr. Farber, a pinched sourball played by Bob Balaban with the same impressive enemy-of-creativity dyspepsia he brought to the role of network executive on Seinfeld. Nothing charms, impresses, delights, amuses, or moves Mr. Farber (the name echoes that of the great critic Manny Farber — and, for that matter, movie journalist Stephen Farber). He doesn't believe in narfs, movie magic, or communal tenant activity. And in the end, it gives away nothing to reveal that the killjoy is dispatched by the scrunt with nary a grunt.

But while the subplot is an up-yours to actual critics and a wink-wink to civilians (who are likely to be busy enough keeping up with the nomenclature), the rise and fall of Mr. Farber results in something far punier: The amount of story time devoted to such an inconsequential naysayer emphasizes the movie's very smallness, its unease as a cohesive piece, and the inner creative discontent at its core. Why a filmmaker so gifted with talent as well as so fortunate in his success should scrunt and scratch his private itches in public — in front of the very audience that has lauded him — is a mystery too deep for this Muggle. Was the reception of his last film not quite as Blue Worldly as he wished it to be? I guess it takes a Village to raise a narf.
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90. "Question: can a movie be good and self-important?"
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Her review said that Night was full of himself but does that mean that it isn't a good movie? I can understand not being able to get past his self-involvement but shouldn't a reviewer spend a little more time on the actual film, besides passing remarks like it was the magic was too much for "this muggle"?

This is a tough one. It's like a battle of hate: my hate for Night vs. my hate for EW and their movie reviewers.

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96. "Schwartzbaum is notorious for spending 7 paragraphs on"
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insignificant crap like Nic Cage's butt, Cillian Murphy's eyes, or whomever Julia Roberts is currently screwing before hurriedly talking about the actual movie in the final 2 paragraphs of the review. I find the capsule reviews of previous releases that they use to be much more effective in her case.

Gleiberman has an annoying, Dennis Miller-esque habit of trying to merge and marry obscure pop culture references and metaphors. I think he once wrote of a Will Smith performance, "It's like he's playing the jive hipster con version of Jesus if Jesus were slumming with Jean Paul Satre and Ratso Rizzo" or something to that effect. Other than that annoying trait, I don't mind reading him.
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95. "But most important of all: Will the (Asiatic) rapper GLC go see this?"
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"Yeah I saw the previews for that... Uh...I'll go see it because I love when women be wet."
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101. "I want to know GLC's views on SoaP"
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And every other movie that comes out this year.

Is this on the LA Time's website?

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128. "Yes, he appears every Thursday."
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But it's not just him, as he's a part of a panel that is supposed to represent average moviegoing demographics...
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97. "Gentle ethering from Scott Foundas of L.A. Weekly, best known here"
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for his series of "if-only-PTP-could-be-this-civil" battles with Roger Ebert.

Also, I should have made this clear before now, but I really don't believe that anyone here is actively rooting for this movie to fail... but y'all go ahead and "root for the underdog" anyway.

>Aquawoman

M. Night Shyamalan’s (ego)maniacal bedtime story

Written by SCOTT FOUNDAS

In the same week that Kevin Smith came gunning for yours truly, it turns out M. Night Shyamalan has it in for movie critics everywhere. Late in his new film, Lady in the Water, a critic named Farber (played by actor Bob Balaban) is torn limb from limb by a demonic creature known as a scrunt, which looks like the love child of a porcupine and one of those hellborn canines from the Ghostbusters movies. In Shyamalan’s view, it’s a case of just desserts: For most of Lady in the Water’s running time, Farber, the latest tenant at a Pennsylvania apartment building called The Cove, is a stuck-up prude who makes dyspeptic pronouncements like, “There is no originality left in the world,” and generally seems to delight in raining on others’ parades. And when he finally does offer our hero — the stuttering building superintendent, Cleveland Heep (Paul Giamatti) — some help in decoding the movie’s central mystery, it turns out to be all wrong, leading another tenant to remark, “What kind of person would be so arrogant as to presume the intention of another human being?”

Well, come this weekend, when Lady in the Water opens in cinemas nationwide, I suspect it’s the critics who’ll be doing the mauling; and if it’s “arrogance” that motivates them, it is certainly no match for Mr. Shyamalan’s own. Lady in the Water isn’t awful, mind you, but it is a failure, and one that carries itself with such chest-puffing pomposity that many will take pleasure in shooting it down for sport. Conceived as a movie about the power of storytelling, it is a far more revealing (if unintended) study in the power of ego — the work of a filmmaker who has become convinced that his every whim should be abided, and who believes sinister forces are conspiring against him. Little of this will surprise those who have followed the recent circling of media sharks around the Shyamalan-sanctioned tome The Man Who Heard Voices (about the director’s “struggle” to get his latest film made, after Disney studio executives dared to express reservations about the script), or who recall the equally sycophantic hoax “documentary,” The Buried Secret of M. Night Shyamalan, that aired on cable television back in 2004. But I speak as one who firmly believes that “Night” was a prodigiously talented filmmaker once, and that, with a healthy dose of humility, he may well be again.

Lady in the Water opens with a solemn narrator intoning a legend about a long-ago time when the world of men and “the blue world” — the world of water people — lived together in close harmony. And so things were, we’re told, until “man’s need to own everything” drove him inland, and a schism between the two worlds occurred. Times of great wars and suffering followed; but even now, every once in a while, the water people send their young on the perilous journey into our world, in the hope that a new alliance may be forged.

The rest of the film is devoted to just such an occasion, beginning with the appearance of an angelic “narf” (Bryce Dallas Howard) in the swimming pool of The Cove. Fished out by Cleveland, the narf (Shyamalanese for sea-nymph) doesn’t say much, except that her name is Story (subtle, no?) and she’s looking for (what else?) a writer. Fortunately, The Cove is positively swarming with them, including one played by Shyamalan himself, whose closely guarded manuscript is titled The Cookbook, though the cuisine under discussion is actually food for thought. It is, he tells Cleveland, a series of opinions about the culture, about “all the leaders and stuff,” and that “there’s a lot of things in the cookbook people won’t like to hear.” So much so, we learn via a bit of narf-facilitated future telling, that the writer will come to be silenced for his ideas, which will nevertheless live on to inspire and inform future generations. This is something fairly extraordinary: M. Night Shyamalan may be the first filmmaker to exalt himself to martyrdom within his own movie. Mel Gibson has nothing on him.

One of the more curious aspects of Lady in the Water is how readily Cleveland and the other Cove residents buy into Story’s story, and it’s clear that Shyamalan means for us to do the same. Not for a moment does anyone suggest that perhaps this pale-skinned lass isn’t really an otherworldly creature who lives in the pool, but just a confused teenage girl who bumped her head diving into it. Surely, only a fuddy-duddy cynic like Farber would entertain such a thought. To believe in Story, Shyamalan suggests, is to surrender to the pull of myths and the imagination. The only problem is that, while the most timeless and resonant myths are relatively simple tales designed to conceal complex meanings, the one at the center of Lady in the Water is so impenetrable you need a scorecard to keep track of the players and a glossary to parse the invented terminology.

Beyond the aforementioned narfs and scrunts, there are tree-dwelling simian creatures called tartutic and a giant bird, the Great Eatlon, which will supposedly come to whisk Story off into the heavens, whereupon she will set about making the world a better place for us all. There are also complex rules that must be followed, and rules dictating when and how those original rules can be broken — much of it explained to Cleveland (and us) by a Korean-American party girl (Cindy Cheung) with a magenta-colored cockatoo hairdo and nigh impenetrable accent who’s such a risible caricature you half expect her to blurt out, “Me so horny, Mr. Heep. Me love you long time.” And to think, I haven’t yet mentioned the apartment full of central-casting stoners who end up playing an important role in all of this, or the pint-sized Latino weightlifter (Freddy Rodriguez) who, for “scientific” reasons, elects to exercise only one half of his body.

What does it all add up to? Story is an innocent — okay, we get that — and there are references both subtle (TV and radio reports about the war in Iraq) and less so (Shyamalan’s character asking “Does man deserve to be saved?”) to the fact that we are living in troubled times. The motifs are certainly familiar: a sage child (The Sixth Sense), supernatural characters placed in a hypernatural setting (Unbreakable) and myriad crises of faith (Signs). But it’s ultimately tough to tell what Shyamalan is trying to say — beyond the obvious “Wouldn’t it be great if a sea-nymph with world-saving powers suddenly jumped out of your swimming pool?” — or why he’s chosen such a rambling, roundabout manner of saying it. In the press notes for the film, Shyamalan admits that Lady in the Water is based on a “bedtime story” he improvised for his two young daughters, and while I won’t question the sweet-dreams value of a story that involves wars and grisly beasties and deaths both actual and foretold, Shyamalan is right about one thing: Lady in the Water feels very much like something its author made up as he went along; and, if it weren’t so damn weird, it would most certainly put you right to sleep.

This is the fourth film Shyamalan has directed since The Sixth Sense (1999) earned its then-29-year-old maker two Oscar nominations and racked up nearly $700 million in worldwide box-office receipts, and it offers the most compelling evidence yet of just how much that early success may have been more of a curse than a blessing. Shyamalan can do whatever he wants, it is said, but what he chooses to do is doggedly try to recapture Sixth Sense lightning in a bottle — to dazzle us with one twist ending more elaborate than the last, to awe us with the dime-store Buddhism that imposes succinct order onto events that would be better off left random. (Remember Signs and “Swing away”?) It’s not surprising that Shyamalan is so driven — he comes from a family of doctors, and he has often cited Steven Spielberg as his moviemaking idol. But consider that, at this same point in his career, Spielberg had already made The Sugarland Express, Jaws, Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark and E.T., and suddenly Shyamalan starts to more closely resemble George Lucas, serving out his 30-year sentence in Star Wars jail. There’s no question that Shyamalan can do remarkable things — his last (and, to my mind, best) film, The Village, turned on an ingenuous metaphor for isolationism and self-deception, before becoming undone by so much needless trickery. But consider the totality of his career and he does not seem to have advanced. And now Lady in the Water is unmistakably a setback, as well as a warning to potential detractors. You are, it seems, either with M. Night Shyamalan or against him, and this time I must take up residence in the latter camp, though I do so with a watchful eye cast over my shoulder. For I am deathly afraid of scrunts.
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98. "Shyamalan is now getting a watered-down hate of the treatement...."
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...Spike Lee gets.

You can sense the jealousy,hatred, and anger in the reviews all up and down this thread.

Its one thing to not like a movie. Its one thing to give a review of a bad movie.

But to the extent some of these reviews are going and some of the posters in this thread are going?

Damn! Did Shyamalan f*ck ya'll mothers or something? lol.

Too bad Shyamalan ain't white. He wouldn't be receiving this type of treatment. He would be praised to the high heavens like Tarantino is.

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100. "i agree...and tarantina makes the same fuckin movie over and over"
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99. "Is There A Twist?"
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the reviews i read make the whole movie seem like just this fairytale. so is there a twist ending to this one?

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104. "Thats what I want to know..."
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But I have liked all his movies and I thought "The Village" was really good!!!!

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105. "RE: Is There A Twist?"
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No.

Has anybody seen it yet? I wanna an OKP review.

  

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131. "No twist"
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fuck that shit

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135. "RE: No twist"
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There sort of is, but nothing on the level of Sixth Sense or even The Village.

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136. "Spoil it for me"
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inbox

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103. "Welp, I'm still going to see it."
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n/m

  

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106. "co-sign...as well as millions of others that enjoy his movies."
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107. "Half of these critics are on Disney's balls... I'm watching it."
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110. "Or their payroll"
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:/

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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114. "Yeah, the very same critics who shat all over Pirates 2"
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which was also released by Disney. Whoops.
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115. "but Pirates wasn't good either nm"
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117. "No, kyser's point was that these critics are 'taking Disney's side'"
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or somehow "supporting Disney" by shitting on Shyamalan and his movie.
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120. "Not all of them, but c'mon, you know they get paid too."
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M.Night may have dropped the ball at one point or another, but lately he's been getting his balls busted for everything he releases. At least I give him credit for trying to be creative. Half the shit out is a remake, sequel, or worse, a prequel. Even Spielberg hasn't done anything original in damn near 10 years. I really think critics just love hating him.

  

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123. "Ah I see.."
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A conspiracy theory. Night should right a film about it and then the twist will be that all of the writers are actually him. And he's actually Disney as well. In fact, everything in the world is actually him. Because he's God.

That's basically the direction he's headed.

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108. "Who knew that M Night Shamalayn had so many adopted kids?"
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People here are taking it PERSONAL that his movie's getting bad reviews. Wow.

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113. "They 'Takin' A Stand' for the Asiatic Man."
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The same man who would most likely lock his car doors with the quickness were they to approach him at a stop light.

And half of 'em most likely hated Unbreakable, Signs, and The Village.
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109. "THANKS FOR THE SPOILER ALERT, DICK."
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111. "Which spoiler? That the movie sucks?"
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If so I'd like to say thanks for that spoiler as well.

  

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121. ""insane asylum""
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127. "Reread it. The writer made it up."
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"The trouble is he's put it together so hamfistedly, with such overwrought, cringe-worthy dialogue, you'll half wonder if he's going to pull one of his patented twist endings and reveal the entire apartment complex is actually an insane asylum."

The key phrase is "if he's going to pull off".

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118. "RE: OH SHIT LADY IN THE WATER JUST GOT ETHERED"
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**This is OFF TOPIC very much**

Wow. That was a gloriously bad review, but so what?
Something that extremely bothers me about PTP and a lot of people I know as of late, is the blind trust in reviews. I am sure that I can think for myself about a film, and I have never believed reviews. I know what I like. I know what I hate, and I actually feel quite insulted and most suspicious of these "critics" across America who don't make their own shit, yet will eagerly criticize another's work. I understand how easy it is to make fun of someone- I get it Mr. Critic- you can make clever quips about people pursuing their dreams professionally- huzzah for your bitterness.

Isn't it obvious, though, that if we let reviews actually change our opinons about films, we are just letting the artistry of filmmaking dissipate into a popularity contest among bitter journalists.

I just stand firm by the notion that we should all form opinons uncluttered by reporter blabber. I like M. Night, for some reason, and Bryce was in my year at Tisch and M. Night graduated from Tisch as well, and I have to support both of them for showing me that maybe I can do it too. So I say to that reviewer: Suck it. For I'd rather make a movie than bitch about it.

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119. "You seem to be under the impression"
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that most of the people ripping Shamalayn in this thread were big fans of his who had high hopes before they read the reviews. Really, most people I know have not been looking forward to it and thought it looked bad. No one is letting a review sway their opinion, it's reinforcing what most of us already knew.

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126. "Woah now"
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"Isn't it obvious, though, that if we let reviews actually change our opinons about films, we are just letting the artistry of filmmaking dissipate into a popularity contest among bitter journalists. "

Signs was garbage and Unbreakable was a great idea that I don't think M. Night pulled off. I think if someone else had directed that script and made some changes, it would have been better (granted, in the wrong hands it also could have been much worse). I wasn't going to see this film based on the trailers alone (it's funny how the first and second trailers are COMPLETELY different) so the review just was someone validating my opinion and allowing me to hold on to 14 dollars.

The funniest thing with Night is that he isn't really making art at all. He's making commercial films but has the ego to think they are more than what they really are. His films are popcorn flicks.

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137. "a review is only meant to help us determine whether or not we should spe..."
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Seeing a film based on a trailer or a synopsis is no differnt than seeing a film based on a review; either way, you're paying money or holding onto your money based on how a film is marketed.

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125. "Fuck a review the trailer looked bad and his last three movies were crap"
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I gave him a chance and was let down three times. I would be insane to think that the fourth time would be a charm. It cracks me up that people feel as if people are haters or dick riding a critic and never stopped to think that our "hate" is based on his sub par movies.



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129. "kinda offtopic but am i the only one that think he looks like spike lee?"
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an indian one of course.

i noticed it in sixth sense (i think he was in that one) and have thought it evar since.

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134. "Seriously, one of the worst stories ever"
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I'll keep this spoiler free, but the bottom line is that it's so friggin silly and absurd, and so hard to take seriously, it kills the whole piece. It kills two pretty good lead performances. It kills some excellent filmmaking throughout.

I'm all for that "SUSPEND DISBELIEF MOTHERFUCKER!" stuff, but at some point, something becomes so damn stupid you have to pull the chute.

By no means am I a Shamalam hater, as I've liked, on some level, all of his previous flicks (except that Rosie O'Donnell nun one, which I will probably never see), but he's truly out of his mind with this one.

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138. "Spoil It For Me"
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if someone could inbox me a paragraph that would be great

i went to the movie spoiler website and that shit was sooooooooooo long, forget that! i just wanna know who the chick was and why she was in the doods pool. THE END

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142. ""I just want to punch this movie right in the face." (MORE ETHER)"
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http://www.efilmcritic.com/review.php?movie=14853&reviewer=392

Somewhere in the middle of “Lady in the Water,” M. Night Shyamalan asks us to thrill to a modern day fairy tale about Narfs and Scrunts. Not coincidentally, that’s right around the same time we as a collective public tell M. Night Shyamalan to go screw himself.

The anti-M. Night feelings have been gradually snowballing over the past few years, and for good reason: the guy can’t make a decent movie to save his life. His films are bloated, rambling, laughable exercises in ego and pretension. His “The Village” was the breaking point for many, the film that finally got plenty of folks laughing at his oh-look-how-clever-I-am seriousness instead of wowing to it.

His knee-jerk reaction to that film’s failure, apparently, seems to be his making a movie so pointless, so inaccessible, so completely inadvertently hilarious (yet so unbearably unfunny during all the “comedy” parts) that it just might ruin whatever reputation he had remaining. Ladies and gentlemen, brace yourself for “Lady in the Water.”

A Narf, writer/director/producer/actor/credit card pitchman Shyamalan tells us, is something along the lines of a mermaid with legs. If that, even - they’re apparently just people who swim a lot. Narfs live in “the Blue World,” and they sneak out through our swimming pools (chlorine does nothing to deter a Narf) on a mission to find specific humans - a job that pretty much entails just staring at them for a few seconds, which is a fairly easy mission, all things considered. A Narf’s nemesis is a Scrunt, sort of a dog-creature made of grass whose name has everyone in the audience doing a spit-take, tilting their heads to one side, and asking, “Um, it’s called a what now?”

When a Narf named Story is discovered in the pool of an apartment complex managed by a stuttering ex-doctor named Cleveland Heep (Paul Giamatti), it’s up to Cleveland to uncover the myths of the Narfs and Scrunts in time for Story to complete her mission and go home in the arms of a giant eagle that only comes twice during a Narf’s trip to the surface world. Naturally, Cleveland enlists the aid of an old Chinese woman with a knack for storytelling, because when you hear the words “Narf” and “Scrunt,” you automatically think of ancient Asian mythology. Using the old woman’s bedtime stories as a guide, Cleveland begins gathering up apartment residents to help fight off the Scrunt and send Story back to the Blue World.

I swear to God, I just want to punch this movie right in the face.

First off, it’s just lazy - “Cleveland Heep” is a character name that screams “oh boy howdy gee, get ready, this movie’s going to be quirky as all get out, because we got ourselves a main character goes by the name of Cleveland Heep, of all things, and don’t that just beat all!” Cleveland Heep also stutters, which is a tic given to a character when writers cannot think of any other way of making him interesting; it’s a storytelling cop-out, plain and simple. As for Cleveland Heep’s past - he used to be a doctor and is hiding out as a handyman in an attempt to forget a major tragedy in his life - it’s so undercooked it could give you worms. Shyamalan wants to give his lead character depth and pathos, but he just doesn’t do anything with what he gives us. He merely tells us in one scene that something bad happened, tosses in a reminder late in the movie (in a failed attempt at emotional heft), and calls it a day. He doesn’t want to do the work to get us to care for this Cleveland Heep fellow, so he half-asses it, and we’re left with a movie that consistently wastes the talents of an exceptional actor who’s stuck filling in too many gaps from a poorly designed screenplay.

Then again, that’s better than Shyamalan himself, who gets promoted from playing bit parts in his earlier movies to playing a major character here. If you’re a director who’s looking to cast himself as what is, essentially, the third lead, you should be sure that you can either act the hell out of anything you can write, or, barring that, have a screen presence so appealing that we can overlook your flaws. Scorsese and Tarantino aren’t terrific actors, but they’re terrific personalities, and the small roles they fill from time to time work because they’re simply fun to watch. Shyamalan, meanwhile, has all the charisma of a wet sock. He’s not particularly awful, but he’s overwhelmingly bland, one-noting his way through a role that demands more weight that what he can possibly provide.

(Of course, it doesn’t help his reputation as a rampant egotist to cast himself in the role of a man who learns he is destined to change the entire world through his writings. Tone it down, there, dumbass.)

Another character, the one that’s bound to get the most attention, is that of a movie critic (Bob Balaban) who’s so uppity, pompous, and obnoxious that one wonders if Shyamalan has started taking lessons in petty whining from Rob Schneider and Nick Swardson. Is this the filmmaker’s gut reaction to people not liking his last movie? Writing in a useless character that makes fun of movie critics? Is this Shyamalan really this much of a cry-baby?

What’s curious about the critic character, as my colleague William Goss pointed out recently during a few wow-this-movie-blows conversations, is just how much the joke fails. Here we have a parody of film critic arrogance - this is the only non-likeable character in the entire film, aggressively so; a person curt and rude who looks down on his fellow residents; a person who spends his entire time announcing his expertise in understanding storytelling and lamenting the lack of creativity in the modern world - that goes so very embarrassingly broad that the joke doesn’t just fail, it bellyflops. Especially late in the film, a scene to which the character has been building and building and building: the critic is confronted by a Scrunt, and he immediately begins talking to it, saying this is just like a horror movie, explaining why he must survive, considering the rules of horror clichés; even discounting the scene’s obvious rip-off of a similar moment in “Scream,” the joke bumbles with every breath. This sad display of almost-comedy is the best Shyamalan could do?

Interestingly enough, the critic exists merely to point out just how ordinary and predictable Shyamalan’s story is. The joke, apparently, is that Shyamalan is beating us critics to the punch. In one scene, Cleveland Heep asks the critic for help in interpreting the bedtime story in relation to the residents of the apartment complex; the critic replies that Cleveland Heep must look for people of seemingly secondary importance who have been introduced earlier. We of course then flash to the crossword wiz and the roomful of potheads whom we met in a few throwaway scenes, and the joke is, sadly: “Look! I’m following generic story conventions, but I’m telling you I’m following generic storytelling conventions, and isn’t that brilliant of me!” No, not really. In fact, Shyamalan is effectively making fun of himself by having the critic make fun of such simplicities.

Also take note: Although there is no twist ending in this Shyamalan effort - an evident attempt to remove himself from the pressures of being “Mr. Twist Ending” that led to such failures in his post-“Sixth Sense” works - there are a few “gotchas,” mainly in the “oh, we got something wrong and now we have to do it all over again, only the right way” category. What this does to the film, essentially, is take a three-minute story and stretch it out to a full 98 minutes. “Lady in the Water” is a colossal example of needless exposition. Shyamalan’s trying to build up mood, but he’s actually only boring us to tears. As there’s absolutely nothing to the story in the first place - again, despite a prologue that tells us how Narfs have this Very Special Mission that involves finding and telling important truths to humans, the actual Very Special Mission is nothing more than a ten-second staring contest, followed by some empty blabbering by M. Night himself later on - any monotony added to the film only inspires shouts of “Get on with it!” from the Peanut Gallery.

(Oddly enough, for all its slow going and doublebacking, there’s absolutely nothing here for our title character to do. She simply sits around - literally - for almost the entire picture. She’s crowded out by side characters and general plot blathering. Huh.)

It should also be mentioned that with this film, Shyamalan tries to engage in plenty of comedy - not just involving the critic. We get running gags involving the old Chinese woman (she’s hilarious because she’s Chinese! or something), Shyamalan’s character’s nagging sister, a kid who finds hidden meanings in Cap’n Crunch boxes, and, in what amounts to a distressing failed joke of mind-numbing proportions, a weirdo body builder, played by Freddy Rodriguez, who only works out the right half of his body. The joke, you see, is that here’s this guy who has one arm and one leg really, really bulked out, while the other arm and leg are normal. When you’re finished screaming at the screen with fits of “What the hell?!?!,” I’ll inform you that this is all there is to the gag. We see him many, many times, and each time, we’re asked to howl with glee at the idea of this half-man, half-hulk. His inclusion into a vital scene late in the film is a mass of confusion, played both for chuckles and thrills, failing at both. The only logical explanation I can imagine is that Shyamalan wanted to include something dumber than Narfs and Scrunts. He succeeded.

It has been said that “Lady in the Water” was based on a bedtime story Shyamalan made up for his children. By this account, it is safe to assume that Shyamalan hates his children. This is a dreadful story, a disastrous fairy tale where nothing happens, and when it does, it happens in all the wrong ways. It is an achievement of monumental stupidity, obnoxious self-importance, and shallow non-thrills (which is to say, it’s an M. Night Shyamalan film). It is a movie about Narfs and Scrunts, two words destined to become synonymous with cinematic catastrophe.

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149. "i get so tired of hipsters tryna be clever. shit's lame"
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making excuses for tarantino's acting in his own films?

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144. "hmm..."
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+The cinematography was beautiful.
+It was pretty funny at points (not always intentionally though).
+It was better than The Village. The ending was much more satisfying.
+The chick that played Night's sister could get it.


-A lot of the dialogue was really bad and unnatural.
-The guy playing Cleveland got on my nerves with that tick.
-Casting himself in the role he did was pretty narcissistic.
-The Critic was a pretty horrible character, but he did make an interesting point with him (seems most critics understood that point and let him have it because of it).
-The special effects got really bad at the end. They worked much better when you would get out of focus glimpses of the creatures (i.e. the Eagle at the end) but sucked at other parts (the monkeys).

Didn't seem nearly as bad as some of the reviews said. It was more mediocre than anything.

  

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148. "I just saw it. Man, it's really just not that good."
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There's plenty redeemable about it (the acting, the score, the FX). But the storyline is weak, the pacing is TERRIBLE, and the egotism really is prevalent.

I'll edit and add more later, but it is worse than The Village. And that pains me to say, since The Village angered me.

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153. "the score was pretty great (spoilers?)"
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but i think the actual movie couldve used that shock twist at the end. something so clever that it would seemingly make the viewer believe it was worth all that time to sit through the movie.

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152. "If you think War of the Worlds is bad...wait till you get a loda of that..."
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m. knight just feed me!

I mean WOW

That shit was SOOOOOOOOOOOOO SOOOO So bad!

I feel like I wasted 2hrs of my time!

it was the worst film that I have EVER SEEN!

  

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154. "I love this movie."
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but what do I know, I'm only a movie goer.

  

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157. "You must be a moviegoer who likes longwinded exposition for 2 hours."
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162. "umm...yes?"
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I just like watching movies.

  

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155. "lol @ the ppl who are mad in this post"
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just go see it
and let me know if you still think its great

  

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158. "Estimated Weekend Box Office Take: $18.2 mil, 3rd place"
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Behind Monster House ($23 mil) and POTC ($35 mil). You, Me, and Dupree ($12.8 mil) and the PTP-acclaimed film Little Man ($11 mil) round out the top 5. Clerks II came in 6th with $9.6 mil.
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160. "Damn. $32 million less than The Village's opening"
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So much for the "bad reviews don't mean shit!" argument.

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170. "or, look at it this way:"
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As I said in an earlier post in this thread, audiences didn't need critics to tell them this movie looked stupid. They were able to decide on their own.

Over the last summer, the talk has been about how audiences don't listen to critics. People here have been saying that critics were just hating on Shyamalan, and that people would make up their own mind. I think they were right.

But now watch someone try to say that the negative buzz killed it.

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172. "I disagree"
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For one, we've all read the surveys about how reviews are in fact one of the most prominent aspects of how one decides if they will see a movie.

Two, how are people supposed to know if a movie is bad besides the reviews? The trailer? Don't say online information because the majority of the movie going public aren't on PTP-type boards.

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179. "well, there is no right answer, but..."
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>For one, we've all read the surveys about how reviews are in
>fact one of the most prominent aspects of how one decides if
>they will see a movie.

You may have read these. Apparently all critics haven't. Or have you not read all the commentary about how people are ignoring the critics and how so many critical flops are still raking in the dough.?

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>Two, how are people supposed to know if a movie is bad besides
>the reviews? The trailer? Don't say online information because
>the majority of the movie going public aren't on PTP-type
>boards.

Well, ask Basaglia that question. He was the main one here saying the bad reviews wouldn't matter, that people would make up their own minds about the movie. My response was simply to say that people did make up their own minds. And they decided they didn't want to see the movie.

But why? you ask.

Well there is no right answer, but I think it's because the movie didn't look good.

The industry talk this summer has been all about the marginalization of the critic, how bad reviews haven't meant a thing for all the other hits this summer. POTC. Da Vinci Code. Click. So, do you mean to suggest that people only listened to the reviews on Lady in the Water and ignored the bad reviews on the other movies?

Personally, I think anyone who has been watching movies for any significant amount of time should be able to tell if they will like a movie or not from the various trailers. Not tell if it's good or bad, but tell if they will like it. I think anyone here who says otherwise is either lying or not paying attention. Frankly, I think most don't pay attention. But that's just me.

Beyond that, why can't I say online information? It's part of it. Bottom line is that people make up their minds about movies through a mass of information that amounts to a form of groupthink. The largest component of that is word of mouth and the opinions of people they like. Part of that is reviews. But most of it is the vague "I heard that movie was good" or "I heard that movie sucked." No one will claim to have formed this opinion from a single source.

In any event, I wasn't trying to make a case for or against reviews. I was talking about the tendency of the supporters of Lady in the Water to want to have it both ways. They want to say the bad early reviews didn't matter but now I'm waiting for them all to say the bad reviews killed the movie.

There it is, I suppose.


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181. ""Lady"'s reviews were so far beyond anything like those others though"
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>>For one, we've all read the surveys about how reviews are
>in
>The industry talk this summer has been all about the
>marginalization of the critic, how bad reviews haven't meant a
>thing for all the other hits this summer. POTC. Da Vinci Code.
>Click. So, do you mean to suggest that people only listened to
>the reviews on Lady in the Water and ignored the bad reviews
>on the other movies?

Yes.

Let's look at each one individually.

POTC had a whole fucking religion promoting it. Every Church sermon, every Pat Robertson on TV. That movie couldn't fail.

Da Vinci Code had a built in audience from the book who were going to see this regardless. And the reviews weren't awful. They were mostly "it's kinda lame".

Click has Sandler. Nuff said.

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186. "So, people read reviews, except when they don't?"
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The argument was made by someone else in this thread that Shyamalan had such a loyal following that the reviews wouldn't matter.

I don't buy that the reviews for this were *so* bad that people suddenly started listening to them. Because, well, they'd have to read them first. Second, the reviews were so personal that it would have been easy for even a Shyamalan hater to discount them as irrelevant, or that the critic just had an axe to grind.

Either reviews matter or they don't. And this summer so many have made the case that, for big studio movies with huge marketing budgets or movies with built-in audience factor -- and this Lady in the Water qualifies on both counts -- they don't. Pointing out the special circumstances behind POTC and Da Vinci code doesn't change that.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying the do or don't. I'm saying you can't have it both ways. Either they do or they don't.

Personally, I think the way most people use reviews is that they like them when they confirm their notions, discount them when they don't. If someone thinks Little Man is going to be good, for example, then the critics trashing it are full of shit. If someone thinks the Wayans are full of shit, then the reviews are spot on.

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161. "Super Ex-Girlfriend; so much for being the sleeper hit of the summer"
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I remember people saying that would be the surprise of the summer. I was interested but the trailer was VERY disappointing.

Anyone know the budget of this?

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164. "Basaglia = $52 million off on his prediction."
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171. "M Night GOOD DAD Shamalayn"
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HE GOOD!

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165. "Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)"
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+ It was pretty funny. The crowd I saw it with, was really into the comedy.
+ I don't know how seriously we were supposed to take this film, there were times in the plot that I felt we where supposed to identify with how wild this tale had become. I thought it was pretty funny. Very self aware.
+ The guy playing Cleveland was the best thing about this movie. This movie would have totally blew if he was not the lead.
+ The Critic was funny too.
+ Breaking the 4th wall.
+ I liked it better than the Village.
+ The film structure was similar to the board game Clue, as more pieces of the puzzle where given as the movie progress. The movie plays similar to Unbreakable.
+ Better monsters than in Signs!
+ Water sprinklers!
+ Warner Brother Promo team. They really tried to promote this correctly.
+ Disney executives: Watching this movie is one thing, but having to read it, and green light $60 million for it would have been murder!



- The film doesn’t look as great as Night’s other work. In Unbreakable, Sign, ect, each scene looked carefully crafted. Not so here.
- Night's terrible acting.
- Howard has nothing to do in this film except look dead, and drugged out in the shower.
- Kid with the cereal box
- The girls who couldn’t kill a spider, are now the guild...WTF
- Story wakes up finally and tells Cleveland, through a walk-Talkie more secrets on how to protect her. Why couldn't she have said something before, when the monsters chased Story and Cleveland’s asses from the grass in the first act?
-I thought Story's purpose was to meet the writer. When they meet nothing happens except for Night bad acting range.
- Which equates to staring lifelessly. “Man did not listen” how could man listen when the nymph is a mute when she reaches man?
- Too much whispering
- Disney executives: Nina should be getting a raise instead of getting laid off. WTF.

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167. "RE: Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)"
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>+ It was pretty funny. The crowd I saw it with, was really
>into the comedy.

That is a good point, and a lot of the comedy was intentional (though some laughs I heard were at parts where I don't think you were supposed to be chuckling to yourself).

>+ I don't know how seriously we were supposed to take this
>film, there were times in the plot that I felt we where
>supposed to identify with how wild this tale had become. I
>thought it was pretty funny. Very self aware.

See, I disagree. In order for a story of this nature to work, you have to be able to go into that universe and take it very seriously. I could not.

>+ The guy playing Cleveland was the best thing about this
>movie. This movie would have totally blew if he was not the
>lead.

I agree, but the stuttering was sort of annoying.

>+ The Critic was funny too.

Funny as in "holy shit is this every pompous"? Then I agree.

>+ I liked it better than the Village.

I liked The Village.

>+ Better monsters than in Signs!

Really? You didn't think the monkeys sorta looked terrible?

>- Night's terrible acting.

Yes.

>- Howard has nothing to do in this film except look dead, and
>drugged out in the shower.

I thought she did great considering the retardedness of her role.

>-I thought Story's purpose was to meet the writer. When they
>meet nothing happens except for Night bad acting range.

Her purpose was to meet him and inspire him, I believe. If you recall, he said that he hasn't written anything in a long time. After meeting her, he began to write again.

>- Disney executives: Nina should be getting a raise instead of
>getting laid off. WTF.

Apparently passing on this disaster while also being a major part of the Pirates success isn't enough. I'm sure glad I don't work in Hollywood because there appears to be ZERO job security.

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173. "RE: Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)"
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I thought the monkey like monsters looked goofy, but because the scrunts actually looked menacing, and played more of a role in the film, if forgave the goofiness of the monkey monsters.


also I too liked the Village. Although it had many plot holes, and the twist was silly. I thought it was a ok movie until the ending. LITW had more going on in it leading up to the end. In the Village, I was waiting for the twist, because it was so slow in places.

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180. "RE: Saw it...liked it... (more spoilers)"
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>+ It was pretty funny. The crowd I saw it with, was really
>into the comedy.

~ the chick who was like, "you really thought about this, mister heep!" my viewing crowd cracked up at that, cuz it was kind of a meta-statement. lol

>+ I don't know how seriously we were supposed to take this
>film, there were times in the plot that I felt we where
>supposed to identify with how wild this tale had become. I
>thought it was pretty funny. Very self aware.

~ see above. it's like... it took itself so seriously that it didn't take itself seriously. on some, "this is what happens when you overthink a fairy tale." the unnecessary complications in getting ol girl back to blue world or whatever were the result of that overthinking.

>+ The guy playing Cleveland was the best thing about this
>movie. This movie would have totally blew if he was not the
>lead.

~ he did a great job.

>+ The Critic was funny too.

~ i liked his last scene. he can't resist predicting/narrating. lol

>+ Better monsters than in Signs!

~ i thought the monsters were bad cgi. plus, how were they just getting her legs? lol like every time, they were *just* getting her legs.

>- Night's terrible acting.

~ he didn't bother me at all, but i think he's hot, so...

>- Howard has nothing to do in this film except look dead, and
>drugged out in the shower.

~ i thought she was dope. i mean, how animated is a stoic water nymph sent to save mankind supposed to be? lol

>- Kid with the cereal box

~ noah gray-cabey ALWAYS annoys me. from "my wife and kids" to the present, i'm so not a fan.

>- The girls who couldn’t kill a spider, are now the
>guild...WTF

~ the whole thing was about people realizing their latent potential (their courage, their ability to survive, their bravery), so i bought it.

>- Story wakes up finally and tells Cleveland, through a
>walk-Talkie more secrets on how to protect her. Why couldn't
>she have said something before, when the monsters chased Story
>and Cleveland’s asses from the grass in the first act?

~ hahahahaaaaa. "you are not the guardian," story sadly intones... as cleveland is nearly devoured alive. wth?

>-I thought Story's purpose was to meet the writer. When they
>meet nothing happens except for Night bad acting range.

~ this also didn't bother me. his purpose was on paper. she didn't really need to do anything, but to present herself as a source of wonder and inspiration so he could finish that manuscript. she wasn't supposed to influence his ideas/thinking process. that was already there. goes back to the potential thing. she was there to make people rise to the occasion, and that didn't require any special effort on her part. all that was necessary was her presence.

>- Which equates to staring lifelessly. “Man did not listen”
>how could man listen when the nymph is a mute when she reaches
>man?

~ heh. i didn't appreciate her offering to tell people their futures. wth? that's not what you're here for! stick to the basics, kid.

>- Too much whispering

~ i like whispering. i thought story and cleveland were gonna kiss, though, their faces were so close to each other. but i think their relationship was meant to be more father-daughter.

  

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168. "I enjoyed it"
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I saw it at a Cinema De Lux, which is how every theater needs to be if they plan on charging $10+ for a movie. This place had a Starbucks, Ben & Jerry's, and a couple of lounge areas with TV's. I was impressed.

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169. "Theaters with alcohol>>>>>>>all of these things"
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Because all the luxury items in the world won't make a bad movie entertaining. Alcolhol on the other hand, does.

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189. "Cosign & FUCK a starbucks"
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>Because all the luxury items in the world won't make a bad
>movie entertaining. Alcolhol on the other hand, does.

Indeed

  

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174. "The Only Review That Matters"
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http://fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-ent-moviereview-ladyinwater.html

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178. "RE: The Only Review That Matters"
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that was a hilarious review.

  

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182. "LOL"
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This movie could've been 90 minutes of M. Night looking into the camera and insulting you and your family by your government names and you'd still like it. After all the defending you did, you had already made up your mind about it, and how great it was, before hand.

"I thought the Farber character was a brilliantly subtle dig at movie critics"

Yeah, real subtle.

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183. "It actually was subtle and it was brilliant."
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As many of these rip jobs you've read in the past 4 days, don't you find it funny that critics focused all of their anger on the demise of the character, rather than his purpose?

He served no purpose in the film, but he did serve a purpose to the audience. To those of us who appareciated the joke, it was very funny.

Critics shouldn't have felt attacked when Farber was mauled by that scrunt, they should have been red-faced when he was explaining things to Cleveland. It was priceless.

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184. "Subtle? C'mon now"
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>As many of these rip jobs you've read in the past 4 days,
>don't you find it funny that critics focused all of their
>anger on the demise of the character, rather than his purpose?

In all of the negative reviews I've read, the critic part has fallen behind the egotism of Shymalan casting himself as a messiah and the general absurdness of the story as far as what they hate.

Night was taking a shot at critics, and they got mad, which is what he wanted. There's not much more to it than that.

He has every right to do it, and it's hardly the first time a disgruntled filmmaker has done this.

>He served no purpose in the film

Not true. He gave them a reason to waste 20 minutes assembling the wrong line-up of saviors for Story.

>To those of us who appareciated the joke, it
>was very funny.

I agree it was humorous, but you said subtle. It was as subtle as a slap in the face.

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188. "RE: Subtle? C'mon now"
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>>As many of these rip jobs you've read in the past 4 days,
>>don't you find it funny that critics focused all of their
>>anger on the demise of the character, rather than his
>purpose?
>
>In all of the negative reviews I've read, the critic part has
>fallen behind the egotism of Shymalan casting himself as a
>messiah and the general absurdness of the story as far as what
>they hate.

i don't care that he cast himself in that part. i care that he did a poor job acting.

>Night was taking a shot at critics, and they got mad, which is
>what he wanted. There's not much more to it than that.

they were gonna shit on this film anyway.

>He has every right to do it, and it's hardly the first time a
>disgruntled filmmaker has done this.
>
>>He served no purpose in the film
>
>Not true. He gave them a reason to waste 20 minutes assembling
>the wrong line-up of saviors for Story.

i guess it was too subtle for you after all...THAT WAS THE FUCKIN POINT! his input wasn't necessary AT ALL and it led the protagonists down the wrong path.

>>To those of us who appareciated the joke, it
>>was very funny.
>
>I agree it was humorous, but you said subtle. It was as subtle
>as a slap in the face.

mmmhuh

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190. "I agree with your post."
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That's the only reason why I enjoyed the movie, because Night practically gave away "surprises" and the suspense turned into comedy. People said that it wasn't intentionally funny. I think it was. Night poked fun at himself and critics, creating a movie for audience to enjoy. That's why I love this movie. If you looked at the movie like a fairytale then you understand the movie. I love how they kinda used War of the Warcraft language. It felt like Lord of the Rings but in an Apartment complex. Remember in fairytales, they dont know who they are but the audience do. I'm probably the only few that loves this movie and his other movies. Is he a great director and writer? No. But he's respected in my book. I bet if his movies were foregin with foregin actors, with the exact same story, cinematography, and dialogue it would be loved...or not. Either way, I was highly entertained.

  

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175. "any person who likes this shit ( My GF included) is NUTS"
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This summer has been wack for movies!

  

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176. "i liked it. quite a bit, actually."
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but then... i was pretty open to liking it going in, as i knew to expect a fairy tale and not a suspense or horror film.

the creatures were fake-lookin' as a mug, but my boyfriend claims that may have been intentional. i think i disagree.

anyway, yeah. shyamalan takes himself way too seriously (like sufjan stevens). but just like sufjan stevens, i completely dig shyamalan. or i should say, i dig all the films i've seen of his. i skipped both signs and the village.

i liked paul giamatti's performance. i like bryce dallas howard as a general rule. i dig sarita choudhury. i also enjoy the concept of water nymphs. lol so yeah, i guess i was predisposed to liking it.

imagine what this film would've been like if giamatti and jeffrey wright reversed roles.

... actually, i'm not sure that would've done much of anything at all.

  

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185. "M. Night does SHIT movies....in an incredible way"
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so you'll sit through them, almost RIVETED, but once it's over...you'll be like "That was it". It's like fuckin Vida Guerra inviting you over, and she wearing garder belts and a thong, eyeing you and whatnot, then when you go to jump on her, she says "It's been fun", and pushes you out the door.

His movies are built-up dry humps.

I watched "Unbreakable", and the only thing I thought at the end (and I'm still thinking now), is "Wait.....he was a FUCKIN SUPERHERO?!?!?!".

Don't even GET me started on "Signs". Fuckin aliens harrassing a couple farmers? Ancient, unexplainable texts that give the answer to the alien problem? (Water....oh, thank you wise men of old)....all to be wrapped it in the climactic zenith that IS....Joaquin Phoenix living his BASEBALL DREAM by beating an alien to death with a BAT.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, it's safe to say I want to beat M. Night's ass.

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191. "M. Night is more polarizing than Hiliary Clinton"
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everybody has a STRONG opinion about his shit.

  

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193. "'Shyamaladenfreude:' More on the book... no serious ethering (swipe)"
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from the L.A. Times:

>Call It Shyamaladenfreude

The poor opening of M. Night Shyamalan's "Lady in the Water" has Hollywood gossiping about "The Man Who Heard Voices."

By Patrick Goldstein
Times Staff Writer

July 25, 2006

In Hollywood, a town where tales of self-immolation are passed along like hot new scripts, everyone has been frantically trying to score a copy of "The Man Who Heard Voices," Michael Bamberger's new book about M. Night Shyamalan and the making of "Lady in the Water." The fascination with the book has only been heightened by the poor opening of "Lady," which arrived practically dead in the water over the weekend, making a paltry $18.2 million, the filmmaker's worst opening ever.

As one wag put it, there's been an outbreak of Shyamaladenfreude.

If there is a recurrent theme in Bamberger's book, it's that Night is different from the rest of us. Like the mythic creatures who populate his new movie, he is not subject to the same mundane laws of gravity that keep us moored to the ground.

Early in the book, Night (everyone calls him by his second name) is at a meeting in his agent's office here when the conversation turns to basketball. "I believe if I had unlimited time to practice," he says, "after two years, I'd be able to shoot with any NBA player." After the meeting is over, his longtime agent, United Talent Agency partner Jeremy Zimmer, admonishes the scrawny filmmaker, who is, at best, a good Sunday morning pickup player. "You can't say stuff like that."

But "Voices" is full of stuff like that. Most of the buzz about the book, which was written with Night's cooperation, has focused on a disastrous meeting between the filmmaker and the top brass at Disney, where he'd made four straight hits. After Disney production chief Nina Jacobson bluntly dissected the "Lady" script's failings, Night opted to take the film to Warner Bros., in part because studio chief Alan Horn, after seeing "The Village," had called to say the movie really touched him.

This was the kind of truth Night wanted to hear. At the end of the calamitous Disney meeting, Zimmer, trying to smooth things over, says, "We're thankful for the truthful response you've given us." Night instantly retorts: "I don't agree. I don't think it was a truthful response." For all his insistence on being the least "Hollywood" of directors, living far away on his bucolic 75-acre farm in Pennsylvania, Night has a perfect grasp of movie-town insincerity. In Hollywood, where everyone is carefully trained to never tell a filmmaker what they really think about their movie — unless they actually loved it — the truth couldn't possibly be the truth if the truth hurts.

It wasn't just Night's story that bothered Jacobson. "Lady in the Water" is a fanciful fable about a stuttering motel manager (Paul Giamatti) who happens upon a willowy Narf (Bryce Dallas Howard) when she surfaces one night in the motel pool. She is followed by other strange, made-up creatures, including a snarling Scrunt and a prehistoric eagle who transports Narfs from the human realm to a watery Blue World. Jacobson worried that Night was asking for trouble by casting himself as a writer whose prophetic work ultimately helps change the world, and making the movie's least likable character a sourpuss film critic (who is dispatched by a nasty Scrunt).

Night has said that "Lady in the Water" began as a bedtime story he told his daughters. But it's Bamberger's book that has become a grim fairy tale, a bracing reminder of how many of our best filmmakers, having achieved success, wall themselves off from reality and succumb to childlike self-importance. Jacobson has emerged as a hero, especially after being fired from Disney last week in an especially callous way — getting the bad news after calling her boss from the hospital where her partner was having their baby. Though the book claims Night had "witnessed the decay of her creative vision," the opposite had happened. In a world of enablers, Jacobson had not only tried to protect Night from himself but also tried to preserve the U2-style emotional connection his films had with his audience.

What makes the book especially damaging, despite its relentlessly sycophantish portrayal of the filmmaker, is that Night violated Hollywood PR Law No. 1: Never let people see you as you really are. In an era when stars hide behind their handlers, who vet writers, limit their access and keep them miles away from any dirty laundry, Night let Bamberger see it all — straight, no chaser. If Night weren't so insufferable, his honesty would almost be charming. In one scene, he is put out that Jacobson is late arriving home from a children's birthday party to meet Night's assistant, who is delivering a closely guarded copy of the "Lady" script.

As Bamberger puts it, "Night felt the reading of his script shouldn't be considered work. It should add to the weekend's pleasure."

Night's supporters say that, despite his bad reaction to Jacobson's criticism, he was not unwilling to listen to advice. In fact, Warner Bros.' Horn says the filmmaker made a number of significant changes based on studio notes and research-screening reactions. "I found Night to be both collaborative and surprisingly humble," says Horn. "He wasn't arrogant at all. He was always willing to engage in dialogue with us. I like what he set out to do and what's inside him."

However, "The Man Who Heard Voices" depicts an artist who is controlling one minute, racked with insecurity the other. After an early script read-through, Warner's production chief Jeff Robinov tells Night, "Good job." Obviously meant as quiet encouragement, it sends the filmmaker into a tailspin of doubt.

"Maybe he really doesn't like it — maybe that's why he kicked up the project to Alan Horn," Night broods before going to sleep, according to the book. "Maybe there wasn't magic in the room — the one guy not hired by me says, 'Good job.' ... Maybe Nina was right."

Every artist has a different way of handling this crushing anxiety. Night takes solace in numbers. After a few loyalists read the script, their responses were turned into scores ranging from 1 to 10, then compared with the scores his other scripts had earned. When the Warner Bros. brass visit the film set, Night gave the visit a grade: B-plus.

If anything is clear from the book, it's that Night, like so many artists, has a desperate need for approval. Although he remains obsessed with Jacobson's lack of approval long after heading off to Warners, he has an equal longing for Horn's approval long after the studio chief has given him $70 million to make the movie. In one rambling monologue, Night tells Horn: "I was always going to be a child to Disney and you treated me like a man, but more than that, I just wanted them to show respect for me as an artist, as you did when you called me in Paris that time ... we were on a rowboat in the Seine and I had just lost a bracelet in the water, and then you called ... is this making any sense?"

Apparently accustomed to this sort of talk — a good studio chief often assumes the air of a soothing therapist — Horn responds: "Yes, of course."

Predictably, the knives have been out for the book and the film. Many have asked: Didn't anyone tell Night it was a bad idea to lay out his life in a book? Or to play the role of a martyred visionary in his own film? Or to kill off a critic in the picture? He didn't respond to my interview request, nor did Jacobson.

His agent, however, says he warned him. "I told Night, 'You're going to get killed doing this book,' " recalls Zimmer. "And he said, 'I'm getting killed already.' He feels the press has been consistently negative about his films. You have to understand that the book was meant as a primer about the moviemaking process, not a tell-all. When everything went weird with Disney, he could've stopped the book, but he let it go. He thought it would be a great experience to learn about himself."

Zimmer says he also counseled Night against playing the sensitive-writer role. "I told him this was dangerous — that the press will fixate on it. But he saw the movie with himself in it. And you know what? It's his vision. And if the business doesn't support it, he's not going to run away and say, 'Oh well, I'll do "Jumanji 3." ' You can say he's preachy or self-important, but who else is telling original stories out there? He should be applauded, not derided."

Scott Rudin, who produced "The Village," says Night's assurance is mistaken for arrogance. He simply has enormous confidence in his own instincts. "He plays for the upside," Rudin told me. "He doesn't know fear — he loves taking risks. He's not always going to be right, but he always has a certainty about his films. He has his own voice and the courage to listen to it."

For all his narcissism, Night does possess a stubborn integrity. Unlike many of his contemporaries, he has not put his muse to work doing sequels or remakes of old TV shows in a quest for a payday. What he has done with this book is let his hubris undermine his art. Night's unyielding certainty has resulted in something creepier than any of his movies: a strangely unsympathetic character who bears an uncanny resemblance to himself.
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195. "I can't wait to read the book"
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196. "RE: I can't wait to read the book"
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I read half of that book in Borders last night.

Some of it is too funny.

I did find myself wanting to punch the author at times because of the way he writes. You know he doesn't know every freaking thought Night has; yet he presents unvoiced thoughts as facts.

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197. "OH SHIT SHYAMALAN JUST STOLE ON LIKE, 10 PEOPLE"
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Actually, he didn't, I just felt like typing that.
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198. "mugfucker you shyamalan *gunshots*"
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200. "OH SHIT REX REED JUST STOLE ON NIGHT"
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This is kicking a man when he's down but...
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As numerous critics have noted, M. Night Shyamalan's Lady in the Water arrived pretty much dead in the water last weekend. Now, critic Rex Reed is administering a few flourishing kicks to the corpse. Writing in the New York Observer, Reed writes, "Hollywood cannot pollute the ozone with anything more idiotic, contrived, amateurish or sub-mental than Lady in the Water." That's the second sentence of his review. In his third sentence, he calls the movie, "this piece of pretentious, paralyzing twaddle." In his last sentence of the paragraph, he remarks, "In a war of wits, brains, imagination and talent, Mr. Shyamalan would be defenseless." One is left with the feeling that Reed didn't enjoy the movie.

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203. "Yeah, this was not a good film. In any way, shape, or form."
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Even knowing that it's "supposed to be a fairy tale" didn't help. At all. There were some interesting characters in that building. But they were let down and hung out to dry by one of the most ludicrous, mind-boggingly bad stories I've ever seen. If Night really told this story to his girls, then it's safe to say they're going to have some serious issues when they grow up (peace, queens, btw). The storytelling was just flat-out lazy. I didn't buy the "we're just making it up as we're going along" vibe that he tried to set.

Oh, the critic was funny. But even his death scene was wack as fuck. You mean we really need a meta-rundown of what's going to happen to the victim before he gets killed? How clever.

Then the boy's reading CEREAL BOXES for signs? For real?

Also, Shannon Elizabeth's ex-husband (Joe Reitman) was in it. He was one of the stoners. That counts as another strike against the movie.

Surprisingly, I wasn't as irritated by Night's presence as I thought I would be. The problem was, though, every time I saw him, I was thinking, "That's M. Night Shyamalan, not 'Vic'." He really did a disservice (among many) by casting himself in such a big role. He could have made his little cameo as a band member or the pool guy.

I'm sorry, but even the dreamiest of dreamers among us has to admit that Night took an L on this one. Don't be ashamed to admit it.
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205. "No shame. I love this movie."
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204. "wtf that was christopher doyle??"
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even doyle musta thought the script sucked, cuz he phoned this one in. there was barely anything visually interesting happening in this film.

also, i hated the asian characters, wtf Night? i haven't seen anything so stereotypical in a long time, that shit was painful.

i dont quite understand why the narf got all mute all of sudden...i think i zoned out for a bit, was there an explanation for why she had to be touching her ears "yes" and "no" all of a sudden?

lol @ night trynna get back at critics with that character. that was lame. "i listened to him...i thought he knew what he what he was talking about..." and then the critic gets murked, bhwhahahaha.

lol @ the ending too. Night tries to make a film with no twist ending and ends up with...A FILM WITH NO ENDING. a shot of an eagle flying. Night has a problem with closure or something. He either has to open up the film even more on some surprise shit, or he just ends the shit suddenly before the ending even really happens.

critics might be reveling in this a bit too much, exaggerating a bit, but still, the movie is bad. this is not a good movie by any stretch.

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206. "7 million? ouch."
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