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"the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"


  

          

By request, seeing as how this will definitely be a much-discussed movie for the next few weeks, let's consolidate and post everything here.

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ALBUMS IN 2004 I WANT TO LISTEN TO
* AEROSMITH-Honkin' On Bobo
* AHLEUCHATISTAS-On the Culture Industry
* BRUNO E-Lovely Arthur
* CUT CHEMIST-debut LP
* GHOSTFACE-The Pretty Toney
* JOHN WILKES BOOZE-Five Pillars Of Soul
* YOSHIKO KISHINO-Praha
* DIANA KRALL-The Girl In The Other Room
* N*E*R*D-Fly Or Die
* THE ROOTS-The Tipping Point
* VA-Blue Note Revisited

care to add to my list? with your suggestion

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Seen it!
Apr 14th 2004
1
#1 for Frank Longo!!!
Apr 14th 2004
2
      *holds index finger triumphantly in air*
Apr 14th 2004
4
the review sampler:
Apr 14th 2004
3
imdb.com compliation review
Apr 16th 2004
30
I'm sharpening my hater blade...
Apr 14th 2004
5
i won't do no spoilers---but i will say
Apr 14th 2004
6
i have this gut feeling...
Apr 14th 2004
7
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 15th 2004
8
Mr. T is in Kill Bill?!?!?!?!!
Apr 15th 2004
11
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 15th 2004
15
You said 'gargantuan'
Apr 17th 2004
156
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 18th 2004
190
naw man,
Apr 19th 2004
211
and if someone gets this on Soulseek-
Apr 15th 2004
9
I'll be there after work tomorrow
Apr 15th 2004
10
I BEAT U BITCH,
Apr 16th 2004
63
Quentin on Trio (link)
Apr 15th 2004
12
I wish they'd done a new set
Apr 15th 2004
13
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 15th 2004
14
@@@@1/2
Apr 15th 2004
16
SPOILER
Apr 15th 2004
19
      'spoiler/i don't know
Apr 16th 2004
38
      i assume so
Apr 16th 2004
120
      I just put that off to a Tarantino quirk
Apr 16th 2004
118
i'm more impatient than sleepy brown.
Apr 15th 2004
17
RE: i'm more impatient than sleepy brown.
Apr 15th 2004
18
REVIEW: Seattle Times (4/16/04)
Apr 15th 2004
20
RE: REVIEW: Seattle Times (4/16/04)
Apr 16th 2004
21
      RE: REVIEW: Seattle Times (4/16/04)
Apr 16th 2004
24
      link
Apr 16th 2004
25
      RE: REVIEW: Seattle Times (4/16/04)
Colin ODell is the Soul Machine
Apr 20th 2004
260
Ebert gave it four stars
Apr 16th 2004
22
tarantino didn't dub his voice for Pai Mei
Apr 16th 2004
27
Just Got Back
Apr 16th 2004
28
      EDIT . . .but um
Apr 16th 2004
29
      Well, I'm a Tarantinophile
Apr 16th 2004
32
      i want to see the Michael Jai-White scene
Apr 16th 2004
31
           DVD ONLY.
Apr 16th 2004
44
                RE: DVD ONLY.
May 02nd 2004
315
Correction! (I'll be considerate and put SPOILER)...
Apr 16th 2004
41
got tix for the 3:10pm matinee...
Apr 16th 2004
23
NY Times review (Elvis Mitchell)
Apr 16th 2004
26
Brilliant!
Apr 16th 2004
33
Yes ,they do deserve ocsar noms,so true man!
Apr 16th 2004
35
RE: Brilliant!
Apr 16th 2004
75
.
Apr 19th 2004
201
Just got back from the 1:00 matinee show in my area and
Apr 16th 2004
34
wait
Apr 16th 2004
114
      RE: wait
Apr 16th 2004
121
           RE: wait
Apr 18th 2004
171
Dope As FUCK.
Apr 16th 2004
36
if it were one movie-
Apr 16th 2004
39
      That is correct.
Apr 16th 2004
40
awesome...
Apr 16th 2004
37
god damn. it was amazing.
Apr 16th 2004
42
Truly.
Apr 16th 2004
43
I want that RZA beat.
Apr 16th 2004
45
Yeah that joint is tight its actually a hidden track at
Apr 16th 2004
46
      That's not the one I'm talking about.
Apr 16th 2004
50
Just got back....
Apr 16th 2004
47
that shit was hot!!!
Apr 16th 2004
48
Anyone else act a fool when they heard the
Apr 16th 2004
49
Actually...
Apr 16th 2004
52
no it's not
Apr 19th 2004
195
i fuckin flipped
Apr 16th 2004
65
shit, i was getting teary too
Apr 16th 2004
66
      uma was so great with the little girl
Apr 16th 2004
69
           i was thinking the same thing
Apr 16th 2004
70
                Wrong Place
Apr 16th 2004
73
cosign but my friends are lame and i had no 1 to share
Apr 16th 2004
80
right here
Apr 16th 2004
85
I had a big grin on my face
Apr 22nd 2004
282
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 16th 2004
51
Godamn that was intense
Apr 16th 2004
53
RE: Godamn that was intense
Apr 16th 2004
54
The poster is from the Charles Bronson film
Apr 16th 2004
55
Fucking Great Film
Apr 16th 2004
56
I'll have to track that down
Apr 16th 2004
57
      i don't think Majestyk is hard to find
Apr 16th 2004
58
      yeah it's cheap on amazon
Apr 16th 2004
61
      here's the NY Times on Boetticher
Apr 16th 2004
59
           after two weeks NY Times access isn't free.
Apr 16th 2004
64
Nevermind...
Apr 16th 2004
60
*hands shaking over keyboard*
Apr 16th 2004
62
i dont think theres any other girls in this post...
Apr 16th 2004
67
RE: i dont think theres any other girls in this post...
Apr 16th 2004
72
i love sophie
Apr 19th 2004
210
Just got back from seeing it...
Apr 16th 2004
68
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 16th 2004
71
LMAO
Apr 22nd 2004
277
I figured out who Paula Schultz is!!
Apr 16th 2004
74
RE: I figured out who Paula Schultz is!!
Apr 16th 2004
76
Wrong place
Apr 16th 2004
77
Nice work
Apr 16th 2004
81
Dork Trivia Question
Apr 16th 2004
78
RE: Dork Trivia Question
Apr 16th 2004
82
      i'm thinking it is specific
Apr 16th 2004
83
           I think it's a general thing
Apr 16th 2004
84
           RE: i'm thinking it is specific
Apr 16th 2004
90
                right
Apr 16th 2004
92
                     RE: right
Apr 16th 2004
93
                          which is what i was asking in the first place
Apr 16th 2004
95
                               RE: which is what i was asking in the first place
Apr 16th 2004
97
                                    glad we got that figured out-god i need sleep
Apr 16th 2004
98
caught that matinee
Apr 16th 2004
79
yeah i felt really bad
Apr 16th 2004
88
      RE: yeah i felt really bad
Apr 16th 2004
91
           *spoiler*
Apr 16th 2004
94
                RE: *spoiler*
Apr 16th 2004
96
Gordon Lui.......
Apr 16th 2004
86
he OWNED the audience
Apr 16th 2004
87
zooms were ON point
Apr 16th 2004
89
RE: Gordon Lui.......
Apr 20th 2004
256
what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
99
Malcolm Mclaren - About Her
Apr 16th 2004
101
RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
102
      RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
103
           RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
105
                n/m
Apr 16th 2004
106
                RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
107
                     RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
109
                          RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
110
                               RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
111
                                    its by the zombies
Apr 16th 2004
112
                                    RE: its the zombies
Apr 16th 2004
115
                                         coincidence?
Apr 16th 2004
116
                                              RE: coincidence?
Apr 16th 2004
117
                                    RE: what was the song?
Apr 16th 2004
113
platinum, bitches. n/m
Apr 16th 2004
100
RE: Believe it or not folks...
Apr 16th 2004
104
RE: Believe it or not folks...
Apr 16th 2004
108
Incredible.
Apr 16th 2004
119
PREMIERE PHOTOS
Apr 16th 2004
122
one of the more cinematic movies inna minute.
Apr 16th 2004
123
i liked vol. 1 better
Apr 17th 2004
124
RE: i liked vol. 1 better
Apr 17th 2004
128
      I thought the Madsen stuff was great
Apr 17th 2004
134
           RE: I thought the Madsen stuff was great
Apr 17th 2004
136
*panting*......goddam
Apr 17th 2004
125
spoiler, I suppose/questions
Apr 17th 2004
126
instant classic.
Apr 17th 2004
127
the sirens that go off when the Bride spots a Viper.
Apr 17th 2004
129
RE: the sirens that go off when the Bride spots a Viper
Apr 17th 2004
130
      goodlookin.
Apr 17th 2004
132
      RE: the sirens that go off when the Bride spots a Viper
Apr 27th 2004
312
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 17th 2004
131
i actually hated that scene
Apr 17th 2004
135
      RE: i actually hated that scene
Apr 17th 2004
137
           they had to
Apr 17th 2004
139
                RE: they had to
Apr 17th 2004
142
did anyone catch b.b.
Apr 17th 2004
133
RE: did anyone catch b.b.
Apr 17th 2004
138
      RE: did anyone catch b.b.
Apr 17th 2004
140
           RE: did anyone catch b.b.
Apr 17th 2004
143
                when the credits rolled
Apr 18th 2004
165
question about music in Vol.1
Apr 17th 2004
141
RE: question about music in Vol.1
Apr 17th 2004
144
Lily Chou-Chou - Kaifuku Suru Kizu
Apr 17th 2004
149
      THANKS!
Apr 18th 2004
162
I liked it a lot
Apr 17th 2004
145
i just got back from LA
Apr 17th 2004
160
      not sure if I could have handled that
Apr 18th 2004
166
REVIEW: the-breaks.com
Apr 17th 2004
146
I didn't like it that much
Apr 17th 2004
147
what did you like about vol 1...
Apr 17th 2004
148
RE: what did you like about vol 1...
Apr 17th 2004
150
      RE: what did you like about vol 1...
Apr 17th 2004
153
      more black and white! more subtitles!!
Apr 17th 2004
154
           Did y'all have monster sound in your theater cuz....
Apr 18th 2004
179
                yep
Apr 19th 2004
219
King Friday didn't like it?!
Apr 17th 2004
155
fuck a message
Apr 17th 2004
157
      Nobody that King Friday likes uses cliches.
Apr 17th 2004
158
I just watched both HOLY SHIT they're good
Apr 17th 2004
151
Any Suggestions?
Apr 17th 2004
152
no, the film's bullshit...
Apr 18th 2004
180
      RE: no, the film's bullshit...
Apr 19th 2004
234
           don't worry, I got all sort of hate for this film...
Apr 19th 2004
236
how much of rza's music on this one?
Apr 17th 2004
159
they can get fined for that
Apr 17th 2004
161
the pai mei training
Apr 18th 2004
176
But he did produce all of it
Apr 18th 2004
177
how about they fine the studio for false-advertising
Apr 24th 2004
295
      RE: Guys,
Apr 25th 2004
310
Here are TWO
Apr 21st 2004
268
*bends over, pulls cheeks apart, takes a huge shit over
Apr 18th 2004
163
"quinten tarantino...
Apr 18th 2004
164
And you ruined his name
Apr 18th 2004
192
question regarding trix cereal
Apr 18th 2004
167
Spoiler
Apr 18th 2004
169
duh lol
Apr 18th 2004
193
that was Lucky Charms
Apr 18th 2004
187
Simply Fucking Amazing!
Apr 18th 2004
168
RE: Simply Fucking Amazing!
Apr 18th 2004
170
      RE: Simply Fucking Amazing!
Apr 18th 2004
172
           Vol. II is on another level
Apr 18th 2004
173
Saw it again
Apr 18th 2004
174
extended theatrical release to premier at Cannes
Apr 18th 2004
175
more details + DVD news
Apr 18th 2004
185
great
Apr 18th 2004
178
Question #1
Apr 18th 2004
181
she must have eventually
Apr 18th 2004
182
was it revealed how long she was there?
Apr 18th 2004
188
answer
Apr 19th 2004
194
      RE: answer
Apr 19th 2004
198
      yeah, that's what I meant.
Apr 19th 2004
226
      nah
Apr 19th 2004
208
           but their practically center pieces in Shaw Brother fil
Apr 19th 2004
227
           it didn't need much more
Apr 19th 2004
233
                maybe
Apr 19th 2004
243
Question #2
Apr 18th 2004
183
she couldnt afford
Apr 18th 2004
186
too badass for footware?
Apr 18th 2004
189
      Tarrantino has a foor fetish.
Apr 19th 2004
199
If you're going to ask that...
Apr 19th 2004
203
we don't know
Apr 19th 2004
212
      it would have been nice if a sense of time was applied.
Apr 19th 2004
217
           they didn't tell her where he was
Apr 19th 2004
220
Stupid questions
Apr 19th 2004
218
      yup
Apr 19th 2004
221
      dude, you don't know anything...
Apr 19th 2004
222
           lol
Apr 19th 2004
224
           fair enough...
Apr 19th 2004
228
                Kar-Wai does it on purpose
Apr 19th 2004
241
                do you mean the way its structured?
Apr 19th 2004
248
                RE: fair enough...
Apr 19th 2004
242
           You miss the point entirely
Apr 19th 2004
225
           why not create a reason for her to be barefoot?
Apr 19th 2004
229
                There was a reason
Apr 19th 2004
235
                     what does embrace cinematics mean?
Apr 19th 2004
237
                          I need to end this conversation
Apr 19th 2004
247
                               let it go on
Apr 19th 2004
249
                               fine, have it your way...
Apr 19th 2004
250
           "Reality" is created by filmakers
Apr 24th 2004
299
Question #3
Apr 18th 2004
184
Oh, Jesus H. Christ.
Apr 19th 2004
254
      a bad film is a bad film...
Apr 20th 2004
258
           i dunno
Apr 20th 2004
261
MY question 1
Apr 18th 2004
191
The Bride with No Name
Apr 19th 2004
196
because Tarentino isn't clever...
Apr 19th 2004
215
HUGE Kill Bill question
Apr 19th 2004
197
RE: HUGE Kill Bill question
Apr 19th 2004
200
right...kind of
Apr 19th 2004
204
      I don't see why the Sophie thing doesn't hold
Apr 19th 2004
205
           nuh-ugh
Apr 19th 2004
206
                she didn't beat on Uma
Apr 19th 2004
209
                I don't think so
Apr 19th 2004
213
                she doesn't touch her
Apr 19th 2004
231
                no, sophie didnt do a thing
Apr 22nd 2004
278
                I don't understand why that whole scene wasn't longer..
Apr 19th 2004
214
                     I explain that
Apr 19th 2004
223
                          zing!
Apr 19th 2004
232
                          eh...
Apr 19th 2004
238
                how do you know she is one of the people
Apr 19th 2004
230
                     if she touched her
Apr 19th 2004
240
                          correctamundo
Apr 19th 2004
244
                               she probably drove them there
Apr 20th 2004
262
                                    exactly what i said
Apr 21st 2004
273
wanna talk nitpicking?
Apr 20th 2004
255
      cause
Apr 20th 2004
263
      she's carrying it in the same hand both times
Apr 21st 2004
264
      Probably......
Apr 21st 2004
265
I was disappointed
Apr 19th 2004
202
Legendary Kung Fu Flicks
Apr 19th 2004
207
I hope not...
Apr 19th 2004
216
For everyone who disliked this film
Apr 19th 2004
239
stay AFTER the credits for one last out take....
Apr 19th 2004
245
Hitori Sword question (spoiler)
Apr 19th 2004
246
he didn't
Apr 19th 2004
251
RE: stay AFTER the credits for one last out take....
Apr 19th 2004
252
      It wasn't worth it in my opinion
Apr 19th 2004
253
           RE: It wasn't worth it in my opinion
Colin ODell is the Soul Machine
Apr 20th 2004
259
The Golden Stallion (1949)
Apr 20th 2004
257
Would Kill Bill have worked as one movie?
Apr 21st 2004
266
yes
Apr 22nd 2004
274
RE: yes
Apr 22nd 2004
275
NO....they move at different paces. n/m
Apr 22nd 2004
283
      That's what I'm saying
Apr 22nd 2004
284
I can't believe I actually like it BETTER than the FIR
Apr 21st 2004
267
Hanzo question
Apr 21st 2004
269
never fully explained
Apr 21st 2004
272
WOW
Apr 21st 2004
270
So am I sick?
Apr 21st 2004
271
      She's hot anyway
Apr 22nd 2004
279
EVERYONE READ THIS NOW!!
Apr 22nd 2004
276
I already bought Volume I
Apr 22nd 2004
280
He's done it again!
Apr 22nd 2004
281
RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post
Apr 23rd 2004
285
The Superman Monologue
Apr 23rd 2004
286
I know I've heard this theory before but I can't rememb
Apr 23rd 2004
287
      according to Elvis Mitchell of the NY Times
Apr 23rd 2004
288
I could write that shit
Apr 23rd 2004
289
Maybe, but you didn't
Apr 23rd 2004
290
obviously only a big-name director could get away with
Apr 24th 2004
294
If you thought it was garbage
Apr 23rd 2004
291
did you not read the part of my post that said
Apr 23rd 2004
293
prove it to us
Apr 25th 2004
302
      I hear crickets n/m
Apr 25th 2004
307
I loved it. My friends all said it sucked!!!
Apr 23rd 2004
292
RE: I loved it. My friends all said it sucked!!!
Apr 25th 2004
304
      18
Apr 25th 2004
305
           bewsides, my friends are idiots when it comes to film
Apr 25th 2004
306
saw it for the SECOND time yesterday. n/m
Apr 24th 2004
296
during the schoolhouse name revealing of the bride
Apr 24th 2004
297
and the prostitute's(?) disfigured lips
Apr 24th 2004
298
      RE: and the prostitute's(?) disfigured lips
Apr 24th 2004
300
           any 1 notice
Apr 27th 2004
313
anyone notice....
Apr 25th 2004
301
That's because vol. II is a western
Apr 25th 2004
309
thats because
Apr 26th 2004
311
A truly magnificient film
Apr 25th 2004
303
ANCHOR
Apr 25th 2004
308
i think we can request a move for archive now, no?
rickyBUTLER
Apr 30th 2004
314
the question no one's asking...
May 02nd 2004
316
he thought this was his Importance of Being Ernest
May 02nd 2004
317
      i kneew she wasn't marrying bill...
May 03rd 2004
318
           I guess I just had it in my head at the start
May 03rd 2004
319

Frank Longo
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1. "Seen it!"
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Not really...*sigh*...just wanted to post first in the anchored thread...my life is a shambles. *takes out pills*

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johnbook
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2. "#1 for Frank Longo!!!"
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p.e.a.c.e.
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ALBUMS IN 2004 I WANT TO LISTEN TO
* AEROSMITH-Honkin' On Bobo
* AHLEUCHATISTAS-On the Culture Industry
* BRUNO E-Lovely Arthur
* CUT CHEMIST-debut LP
* GHOSTFACE-The Pretty Toney
* JOHN WILKES BOOZE-Five Pillars Of Soul
* YOSHIKO KISHINO-Praha
* DIANA KRALL-The Girl In The Other Room
* N*E*R*D-Fly Or Die
* THE ROOTS-The Tipping Point
* VA-Blue Note Revisited

care to add to my list? with your suggestion

THE HOME OF BOOK-NESS:
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http://twitter.com/thisisjohnbook
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Frank Longo
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Wed Apr-14-04 06:51 PM

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4. "*holds index finger triumphantly in air*"
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My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
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ricky_BUTLER
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Wed Apr-14-04 05:50 PM

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3. "the review sampler:"
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common themes:

-actors really shine this time
-more dialogue, less energy from action
-impressive cinematography by Robert Richardson
-it's a better film than Volume 1

as of 11PM 4/14-
there are two negative revies on rottentomatoes.com compared to 26 positive reviews.

Stella Papamichael: Between visually arresting fits of violence, Tarantino achieves compelling stillness. Punctuating each 'chapter' of the film is a scene of conversation through which he builds incredible tension with minimal gestures and pinpoint deliberate dialogue.

Kevin Laforest: After staging the coolest damn exploitation flick in "Vol. 1", now Tarantino is pulling the curtains back and revealing the heart and soul of his story and characters.

Gabriel Shanks: it is style where KILL BILL truly triumphs. Shovel loads of dirt hit the ground with sound effects like claps of thunder, scenes are illuminated by flashlights to enhance the visceral terror...even the eating of rice becomes an aural and visual triumph.

Joshua Tyler: I never quite connected with Volume 1. Sure I enjoyed it and perhaps it has even grown on me a bit more over time. But ultimately it seemed like Tarantino was more interested in giving himself an incurable case of the giggles than telling a revenge story with some depth. Kill Bill Volume 2 changes all that, proving not only to be a great film on its own, but making Kill Bill Volume 1 better in the process. Tarantino never should have split this movie up.

J. Hoberman: As Vol. 1 mainly synthesized blaxploitation and yakuza, so Vol. 2 largely oscillates between spaghetti western and old-school chopsocky. The presiding deities are Sergio Leone and King Hu.

Petere Travers: Tarantino has made the hottest mix tape in the history of cinema. Like a master DJ, he samples every lowdown, B-movie genre that formed him, from kung fu and samurai flicks to anime and spaghetti westerns, then filters it through his imagination to create something totally Tarantino: a blast of pure movie oxygen.

Kirk Honeycutt: Here is a movie that not only pays homage to a host of action-movie styles but rigorously explores its pulp fiction for visceral truths that link culture and cinema. Here's a movie that both academics bundled in film theories and teenagers on hot dates will find supercool.

J. Hoberman: Tarantino's persona has long grown stale, but his enthusiasm remains fresh. Kill Bill is less labor of love than religious shrine. The extravagant recycling of Ennio Morricone, the references to obscure '70s sockadelia, and the elaborate cameos are the equivalent of shooting the movie in Aramaic.

David Foucher: What's eminent about the picture beyond its plotting, however, is the stylistic urges of its auteur. Tarantino continues blending pop culture from multiple time periods and locales with calculated abandon, indelibly creating, from the ashes of religions and fabrics gone by, a physiognomy for his work that is elegantly unique. Pacing is surreal and languid, with perceptive hangovers from the Asian influence of the first film interwoven with idioms and characteristics of the American West - cultures not dissimilar, and rendered surprisingly hip for mass appeal. And in Tarantino's world, subtext has always reigned; revenge may be best served cold, but the driving, destructive nature of the human forces which conceived its ordained path - those are hot as coals, and true as hell.

  

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ricky_BUTLER
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30. "imdb.com compliation review"
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At least the critics, for the most part, are consistent. If they didn't like Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill Vol. 1, they dislike Kill Bill Vol. 2 even less. If they were enthusiastic about Vol. 1, they're downright passionate about Vol. 2. There's little middle ground here. While Elvis Mitchell in the New York Times calls the second Kill Bill installment, "the most voluptuous comic-book movie ever made ... deliciously perverse," across town, at the New York Daily News, Jami Bernard calls the movie "strangely static -- a dulling experience that can safely be admired from afar without it ever engaging the senses. ... Quentin Tarantino has made a movie he could watch all day. But can anyone else?" Well, plenty, it would seem, for most of the reviews are in the vein of John Anderson's in Newsday, which refers to the thriller as "a film of stunning virtuosity and emotional clout ... a powerhouse movie ... that may even prove that Quentin Tarantino is as good a director as he has so long been purported to be." Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times praises it as "an exuberant celebration of moviemaking, coasting with heedless joy from one audacious chapter to another, working as irony, working as satire, working as drama, working as pure action." And Manohla Dargis in the Los Angeles Times calls it "an adrenaline shot to the movie heart, soul and mind." But Mark Caro in the Chicago Tribune maintains that Vol. 2, exposes Tarantino's weaknesses, not strengths. "He gives zero indication that he knows how actual kids act in emotionally fraught situations" and in an ending in which "he tries to inject real-life pathos," he exposes how deeply he "is in over his head as he tries to give his four-hour myth a heartbeat." On the other hand, Ty Burr in the Boston Globe writes that the movie shows the director "working at full throttle, using the medium in a way that prompts astonishment, delight, even gratitude. ... The result is insanely good, and the best time I've had at the movies in ages." One critic who panned the first installment does in fact do a 180-degree turn with this one. Joe Morgenstern in the Wall Street Journal recalls that at the end of his review of Vol. 1, he wrote snidely: "The second half will be released at a later date. I can hardly wait." In his latest review, he observes, "Well, I would have waited with great eagerness if I'd known of the pleasures to come."

  

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5. "I'm sharpening my hater blade..."
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...and chugging my haterade.

Mech

PS - is it just me or does Tarentino look like he's perpetually smelling something terrible?

  

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6. "i won't do no spoilers---but i will say"
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@@@@@!!!!!!!!

check the resume

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7. "i have this gut feeling..."
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and i have not read ONE word on vol. II...

that daughter and daddy do something car-razy at the end.

i hope o-ren is in some flashback scenes.

does rza have a cameo?

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8. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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after seeing vol. 2 and seeing that Tarantino is going for a vintage aesthetic to this film I think he should have released Kill Bill as one gargantuan volume. If Lord of the Rings is allowed to clock in at 3hrs 45mins (or how ever long it is) i don;t see why the movie going public would have a problem with attending a 4 hr tarantino flick. he could throw in a fifteen minute intermission if need be for cigarette, bathroom snack breaks. As one volume, going to see Kill Bill would be a lot like what i imagine going to the movies was like in the 40s and fiftties when it was considered an outing much like going to see a play or an opera. people could get dressed up, make a whole evening out of it. At the end we would leave the theater saying "man, now that's what i call a movie going experience!"

But that's just my opinion. In the end I'm sure Mr T is quite happy to go to the bank with the gross from two films for the price of one.

  

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11. "Mr. T is in Kill Bill?!?!?!?!!"
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Oh, you meant Tarantino.

Sigh.

Well moving on, I think it would've been cool if Mr. T was in Kill Bill...

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15. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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That sounds fresh yo. Im diggin that idea, sounds like a good ol time no doubt.

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156. "You said 'gargantuan'"
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>after seeing vol. 2 and seeing that Tarantino is going for a
>vintage aesthetic to this film I think he should have
>released Kill Bill as one gargantuan volume.

Intended reference? If so, nice one.


  

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190. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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>after seeing vol. 2 and seeing that Tarantino is going for a
>vintage aesthetic to this film I think he should have
>released Kill Bill as one gargantuan volume.

GOOD EFFING IDEA!!! this should have been done, exactly like u said with an intermission, with it seperated like this, it was kinda like the story part was split from the action part, this movie was meant to be one movie and it should have been

they would been a great throwback feature and would have made the experience even more unique adn exciting...

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211. "naw man,"
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i think it was a whole lot better as 2 movies. now i think the matrix sequels could have been edited and made into one movie, but not kill bill. they were 2 different films. vol 1 being more action packed,and vol 2 being more narrative. the influences for both volumes are obviously different, even how the score was composed by rza and robert rodriguez.

  

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9. "and if someone gets this on Soulseek-"
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hit up a non-car, non-transportation-having man.

Quentin will get my money eventually.

  

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the 3:20 show

I can't really remember how hyped I was to see the conclusion to a movie like I am for this.

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my show started at 310 hahahahaah hurry up man, get home and get on AIM

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12. "Quentin on Trio (link)"
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http://www.trioplus.tv/plus/quentin_tarantino/

  

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Some of the flicks I didn't get into the first time around but some were awesome (Savage Seven, Professional Gun and especially Navajo Joe) and his intros were good and not just fluff. I was really impressed

I wish they'd done a whole new set for volume 2.

i'm greedy like that

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14. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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just finished watching kb1...i am so geeked and ready to see kb2...i haven't read any spoilers except the fact that i know @#$@$ is "The Bride's" real name...what did you think i'd spoil the movie for ya..not ahappenin'...
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I haven't seen all of Tarantino's movies, but this by far is the best one i've enjoyed.

Instead of focusing on the darker side of humour with morbid/graphic displays of violence.

This movie shows outstanding dialogue that i have not seen in a movie in a very long time.

There is maybe 1 slightly weak point, or should I say one part that could've been done a bit more differently, but overall, the movie was a joy to watch!!!

  

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why did he throw in the pimp?
I been waiting to discuss this

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i thought she was gonna kill him....he was friends with bill's mom so the mom was a whore?

  

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and Bill started out as a member of his gang.

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118. "I just put that off to a Tarantino quirk"
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Same with the shotgun assassin heart to heart about the pregnancy. Needless scenes, but fun on their own.

I can see him imagining the scene/and or dialog, and just working it into the movie just cause its 'cool'.

  

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I loved it, it was like a different movie compared to vol.1.
I would really love to have several spinoffs for the characters in the future, especially Elle Driver, Budd, and more of what the whole Viper Squad was up to together/how they functioned and worked together.

Excellent movie.
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Movie Review
'Kill Bill Vol. 2': A full-on Tarantino blowout and Uma love fest

By Mark Rahner
Seattle Times staff reporter

"Kill Bill Vol. 2" is the second movie this year that's left me wondering about the filmmaker's sanity.

This one isn't filled with fetishistic torture and crucifixion. But it's got a fetish for Uma Thurman, a fetish for cult cinema, even a fetish for itself. It's flawed but so audaciously unique that I can't imagine missing it if you love movies.

"Vol. 1" of Quentin Tarantino's hyperactive and hyperviolent revenge opus followed "The Bride" (Thurman) as she sliced her way through ex-colleagues who left her for dead, along with dozens of sword-fodder minions. "Vol. 2" is a total change of pace. For instance, it's got a story. That is, the story, character and Tarantino dialogue that was missing from the first one, not to mention some unexpected heart.

It's also long and slow. Not just ritual, majestic, Spaghetti Western slow. Sometimes it's dream-slow, moving into I-dare-you slow, and then What's-going-on-in-this-guy's-head? slow.

The Bride is still working through her death list of teammates in the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad, on the way to their lethal pimplike leader, Bill (David Carradine).

There's Bill's brother, Budd, aka "Sidewinder" (Michael Madsen), a burnout who lives in a trailer strewn with nudie magazines and works as a strip-club bouncer. Budd knows he's got payback coming, but that doesn't mean he's going to lie down for it.

There's the ruthless, eye-patched Elle Driver, aka "California Mountain Snake" (Daryl Hannah). Her trailer-demolishing brawl with The Bride shatters the quiet with a jolt of adrenaline like the amazing fight with "Copperhead" Vernita Green (Vivica A. Fox) in "Vol. 1."

An extended black-and-white flashback fleshes out the wedding rehearsal where Bill and the DiVAS massacred everyone and left The Bride with a bullet in her head. In one of Tarantino's endless pop-culture nods, she first hears the sound of Bill's flute from outside the chapel. ("Kung Fu" star Carradine used it in his Bruce Lee collaboration, "Circle of Iron.") A grainy flashback to "The Cruel Teachings of Pai Mei" looks ripped right out of a '70s chop socky flick and chronicles The Bride's torturous student years under a beard-stroking martial-arts master (Gordon Liu).

And then there's Bill. Barely more than a voice in "Vol. 1," he owns this half. As Bill puts it, he is the man. Carradine's performance is a revelation, both comforting and menacing. The cliffhanger in "Vol. 1" revealed that The Bride's unborn child survived and that Bill was the father. Here he tells the truth of it while methodically constructing sandwiches for the mother and little girl, and cutting off the crusts. But he's lightning-quick with a gun when The Bride makes a move. Chalk up another Tarantino rediscovery, along with John Travolta and Pam Grier. He also gives Carradine a monologue about comic-book superheroes that fans will be memorizing alongside anything from "Pulp Fiction."

If the "Kill Bill" saga is a kitchen sink of '70s exploitation movies, this half is heavy on the cheesy emotion of Hong Kong crime flicks and the absurdity of martial-arts grinders. If you're doubting his sanity, the way he comes full circle with a "five-point exploding palm hand technique" will make you see that he's reeled you out only to reel you back in.

Maybe Tarantino does have too much of a thing for Uma and just needed an editor. His camera lingers on her obsessively, in a way that would turn a conversation awkward. In one scene, The Bride is buried alive, and he stays with her for so long during the painstaking escape that it feels like watching raw footage. One way or the other, it's unmistakably his movie, an exercise in stylish self-indulgence that would be unbearable with most other directors. Here, Tarantino's quirks are inseparable from the cavalcade of glorious excess.
---END OF REVIEW---

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21. "RE: REVIEW: Seattle Times (4/16/04)"
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I saw it last night at a Kill Bill double feature. So I was in the movie theatre for about 4 hrs. straight. They served beer and food at this theatre though...so I was cool.

I still like Vol. 1 a little better but Vol. 2 runs a close second. My favorite scene is the Bride's training time with Pai Mei. Very remininscent of all the ideosyncrasies of the old karate flicks from back in the day. Including the fast zoom into the face, the fake laughter, etc.

All in all, I enjoyed this entire series. Quentin has done it again. I hope he does that Vol. 3 thang he mentioned but not waiting 15 damn yrs!

One think I will say is that some of the dialogue was a little too long and drawn out. Typical QT stuff. He could have shortened some of the sh!t. The pacing was much slower in this movie than in the first one. But the style dichotomy of both movies is something that I think most avid moviegoers can appreciate.

  

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I hope he does that Vol. 3 thang he mentioned but
>not waiting 15 damn yrs!

What Vol 3 thang?

  

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25. "link"
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>I hope he does that Vol. 3 thang he mentioned but
>>not waiting 15 damn yrs!
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>What Vol 3 thang?


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040409/ap_en_mo/people_tarantino_1

Tarantino Planning a Third 'Kill Bill'
Fri Apr 9, 1:35 PM ET

By The Associated Press

NEW YORK - "Kill Bill — Vol. 2" isn't even in theaters yet, but Quentin Tarantino (news) says he's already planning volume three.

"Oh yeah, initially I was thinking this would be my 'Dollars' trilogy. I was going to do a new one every 10 years. But I need at least 15 years before I do this again," the director tells Entertainment Weekly magazine in its April 16 issue.

Tarantino says Uma Thurman (news), who plays a bride out for revenge in the series that began last year, won't be the star.

"The star will be Vernita Green's (Vivica A. Fox (news)'s) daughter, Nikki (Ambrosia Kelley). I've already got the whole mythology: Sofie Fatale (Julie Dreyfus) will get all of Bill's money. She'll raise Nikki, who'll take on The Bride," he says. "Nikki deserves her revenge every bit as much as The Bride deserved hers. I might even shoot a couple of scenes for it now so I can get the actresses while they're this age."

  

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260. "RE: REVIEW: Seattle Times (4/16/04)"
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training scene was sick....i wanted more of it.....and when u find out hannah's character killed him then she poked er eye out t4hat was hilarious.......beer at a movie...my god sounds like heaven but id need a fucking pause button to go to the bathroom......

  

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KILL BILL, VOL. 2 / **** (R)

Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill Vol. 2" is an exuberant celebration of moviemaking, coasting with heedless joy from one audacious chapter to another, working as irony, working as satire, working as drama, working as pure action. I liked it even more than "Kill Bill, Vol. 1" (2003). It's not a sequel but a continuation and completion, filmed at the same time; now that we know the whole story, the first part takes on another dimension. "Vol. 2" stand on its own, although it has deeper resonance if you've seen "Kill Bill," just released on video.

The movie is a distillation of the countless grind house kung-fu movies Tarantino has absorbed, and which he loves beyond all reason. Web sites have already enumerated his inspirations -- how a sunset came from this, and a sword from that. He isn't copying, but transcending; there's a kind of urgency in the film, as if he's turning up the heat under his memories.

The movie opens with a long closeup of The Bride (Uma Thurman) behind the wheel of a car, explaining her mission, which is to kill Bill. There is a lot of explaining in the film; Tarantino writes dialogue with quirky details that suggest the obsessions of his people. That's one of the ways he gives his movies a mythical quality; the characters don't talk in mundane everyday dialogue, but in a kind of elevated geekspeak that lovingly burnishes the details of their legends, methods, beliefs and arcane lore.

Flashbacks remind us that the pregnant Bride and her entire wedding party were targeted by the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad in a massacre at the Two Pines Wedding Chapel. Bill was responsible -- Bill, who she confronts on the porch of the chapel for a conversation that suggests the depth and weirdness of their association. He's played by David Carradine in a performance that somehow, improbably, suggests that Bill and the Bride had a real relationship despite the preposterous details surrounding it. (Bill is deeply offended that she plans to marry a used record store owner and lead a normal life.)

The Bride of course improbably survived the massacre, awakened after a long coma, and in the first film set to avenge herself against the Deadly Vipers and Bill. That involved extended action sequences as she battled Vernita Green (Vivica A. Fox) and O-Ren Ishii (Lucy Liu), not to mention O-Ren's teenage bodyguard Go-Go Yubari (Chiaki Kuriyama) and the martial arts killer team known as the Crazy 88.

Much of her success came because she was able to persuade the legendary swordmaker Hattori Hanzo (Sonny Chiba) to come out of retirement and make her a weapon. He presented it without modesty: "This my finest sword. If in your journey you should encounter God, God will be cut."

In "Vol. 2," she meets another Asian legend, the warrior master Pai Mei, played by Gordon Liu with voice dubbed by Tarantino; he also choreographed the fights for Tarantino. Pai Mei, who lives on the top of a high, lonely hill reached by climbing many stairs, was Bill's master, and in a flashback, Bill delivers his protege for training. Pai Mei is a harsh and uncompromising teacher, and the Bride (whose real name, by the way, is Beatrix Kiddo) sheds blood during their unrelenting sessions.

Pai Mei, whose hair and beard are long and white and flowing, like a character from the pages of a comic book, is another example of Tarantino's method, which is to create lovingly structured episodes that play on their own while contributing to the legend. Like a distillation of all wise, ancient and deadly martial arts masters in countless earlier movies, Pai Mei waits patiently for eons on his hilltop until he is needed for a movie.

The training with Pai Mei, we learn, prepared The Bride to begin her career with Bill ("jetting around the world making vast sums of money and killing for hire"), and is inserted in this movie at a time and place that makes it function like a classic cliffhanger. In setting up this scene, Tarantino once again pauses for colorful dialogue; The Bride is informed by Bill that Pai Mei hates women, whites and Americans, and much of his legend is described. Such speeches function in Tarantino not as long-winded detours, but as a way of setting up characters and situations with dimensions it would be difficult to establish dramatically.

In the action that takes place "now," The Bride has to fight her way past formidable opponents, including Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah), the one-eyed master of martial arts, and Budd (Michael Madsen), Bill's beer-swilling brother, who works as a bouncer in a strip joint and lives in a mobile home surrounded by desolation. Neither one is a pushover for The Bride -- Elle because of her skills (also learned from Pai Mei), Budd because of his canny instincts.

The showdown with Budd involves a sequence where it seems The Bride must surely die after being buried alive. (That she does not is a given, considering the movie is not over and Bill is not dead, but she sure looks doomed.) Tarantino, who began the film in black and white before switching to color, plays with formats here, too; to suggest the claustrophobia of being buried, he shows The Bride inside her wooden casket, and as clods of earth rain down on the lid, he switches from widescreen to the classic 4x3 screen ratio.

The fight with Elle Driver is a virtuoso celebration of fight choreography; although we are aware that all is not as it seems in movie action sequences, Thurman and Hannah must have trained long and hard to even seem to do what they do. Their battle takes place inside Budd's trailer home, which is pretty much demolished in the process, and provides a contrast to the elegant nightclub setting of the fight with O-Ren Ishii; it ends in a squishy way that would be unsettling in another kind of movie, but here all the action is so ironically heightened that we may cringe and laugh at the same time.

These sequences involve their own Tarantinian dialogue of explanation and scene-setting. Budd has an extended monologue in which he offers The Bride the choice of Mace and a flashlight, and the details of his speech allow us to visualize horrors worse than any we could possibly see. Later, The Bride produces a black mamba snake, and in a sublime touch, reads from a Web page that describes the snake's deadly powers.

Of the original "Kill Bill," I wrote: "The movie is all storytelling and no story. The motivations have no psychological depth or resonance, but are simply plot markers. The characters consist of their characteristics." True, but one of the achievements of "Vol. 2" is that the story is filled in, the characters are developed, and they do begin to resonate, especially during the extraordinary final meeting between The Bride and Bill -- which consists not of nonstop action but of more hypnotic dialogue and ends in an event that is like a quiet, deadly punch line.

Put the two parts together, and Tarantino has made a masterful saga that celebrates the martial arts genre while kidding it, loving it, and transcending it. I confess I feared that "Vol. 2" would be like those sequels that lack the intensity of the original.

But this is all one film, and now that we see it whole, it's greater than its two parts; Tarantino remains the most brilliantly oddball filmmaker of his generation, and this is one of the best films of the year.

  

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27. "tarantino didn't dub his voice for Pai Mei"
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that's Gordon Liu's voice

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28. "Just Got Back"
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I was torn upon my first viewing of volume 1. the pacing really threw me and as much as i had read and heard about the first film, it wasn't what i expected. it took a second viewing to fall in love.

this one got me right out. some things didn't work for me (namely the superman monologue felt unnecessary in the context of the story) but those were relatively minor. as i said before it is tarantino's ability to handle the quiet moments that set him high above all those imitators that've come since him.
The whole reveal of Uma's daughter was one of the most perverse and beautiful moments I can remember in recent time. Bill's appearance at the wedding rehearsal was just awesome.

And then there are the kick ass grab you by the balls moments. The fight w/ Elle Driver one upped the hype (i originally groaned when i heard his primary inspiration was Jackass) and the buried alive sequence is all kinds of awesome. I'm not even claustrophobic. Or at least I wasn't before this.

the Pai Mei sequence was clearly the fan favorite and had people in stitches. After being a little letdown by the all-too-easy demise of Johnny Mo in Vol. 1 it was great to see kung fu god Gordon Liu get a wonderful part and play the hell out of it.

I hate child actors. too many a time have they ruined a damn good movie. but here when the final act depends on the performance of a child we get a wonderful. not saccharine sweet hollywood bullshit. be-be is treated as a real, living and breathing being not something to be exploited for a cutesy one-liner. tarantino, not to mention the young actress, did a great job here and if he'd fumbled her part it would've sunk the picture.

Bill-i think cutting the Michael Jai White scene (or the original Laura Flynn Boyle intro from the script) was a mistake. He's not quite given the menace he needs. It's inferred and to a certain degree he exhibits some nastiness. But he really needed a scene of him being the baddest motherfucker alive.

I can't wait to see the picture played through whole (hopefully in the theater as these are movie movies and it doesn't have the same feel on the small screen).

I'm sad it's over with. Tarantino gave us a hell of a ride and that's rare these days. I hope these films will get the analysis they deserve especially in regards to women's roles in cinema (exploitation films or otherwise) and to the exploitation of women in general. subtextually i think these films are ripe for the picking.

Finally, kudos to Uma Thurman. I've never been particularly stricken by her on a talent level. But she worked her ass of in this picture(s) and turned me into a believer.

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29. "EDIT . . .but um"
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posted in the wrong place.

but Afact (that's what i'm gonna call you), if it impressed you, then i guess that's as good as the bible.

i think i start hitchhiking tomorrow.

BTW, as per your other post, "Silhoutte of Doom" is a badass song. i don't think Morricone ever composed a bad note.

  

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32. "Well, I'm a Tarantinophile"
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so i dunno about being as good as the bible
or even the book of mormon
or the shit Jehovah's Witness try to give you at 8:45 on a Saturday morning

and I ranted about Volume 1 to Mc_Delta_T and he HATED Volume 1
so i don't know if you should take my word

but the more i think about it, the more things i love

right now just thinking about Elle Driver and her notepad is cracking me up

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31. "i want to see the Michael Jai-White scene"
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44. "DVD ONLY."
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They cut it.










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315. "RE: DVD ONLY."
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>They cut it.

What does it consist of?

  

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41. "Correction! (I'll be considerate and put SPOILER)..."
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The Bride doesn't produce the Black Mamba. That is her nickname, but *she* isn't the one to produce it.

Still, good review.
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23. "got tix for the 3:10pm matinee..."
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i've already seen the first one like 15 times...read the script draft for both of them...can't wait to see it.

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26. "NY Times review (Elvis Mitchell)"
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-the most voluptuous comic-book movie ever made.

-everything is operatic, including the despair and the pauses.

-The movie is laden with lurid, revved-up sadism; as visited upon the heroine, it's the kind of violence most often associated with prefeminist exploitation pictures in which the attacks often had a sexual charge.

-But the movie, which quivers with a geek-adrenaline rush, in some ways feels as if its time may have passed; it seems like a film Mr. Tarantino might have made before "Pulp Fiction."


http://movies2.nytimes.com/2004/04/16/movies/16KILL.html?8dpc\

Vengeance Still Mine, Saith the Lethal Bride

When a writer-director _ Cameron Crowe or Paul Thomas Anderson, for example _ is in love with his characters, the fun comes when the filmmaker lets them gab away, inadvertently revealing themselves. The joy when Quentin Tarantino's creations speak is the opposite. Despite their hilariously florid rapping, his folks are also incredibly cagey: they never give the entire game away. This shrewdness is the template for the long dialogues in "Kill Bill Vol. 2," the most voluptuous comic-book movie ever made.

In this deliciously perverse picture _ Mr. Tarantino delights in distending climaxes and emotional connections for so long we almost forget about conventional satisfactions _ everything is operatic, including the despair and the pauses. This is an epic of Conradian proportions (Robert Conradian proportions). Uma Thurman, whose speaking voice has a lyric, teasing quality _ if Dusty Springfield had been an actress, she would have been Ms. Thurman _ is just the performer to convey Mr. Tarantino's mordant slyness. (She also shows a rueful expansiveness that gives this film a heart.) His movies are about loss and betrayal, and "Kill Bill Vol. 2" is a double-burger helping of those motifs. It is rich, substantial and sustained, yet also greasy kids' stuff, a wrapper filled with an extra large order of chili fries, stained with ketchup, salt and cheese.

"Kill Bill Vol. 1" was Mr. Tarantino's fourth movie, so I suppose that makes "Vol. 2" his fourth-and-a-half. "Bill" was broken into two, and the reasoning behind that decision is now evident. The parts could easily have been edited into, well, a single volume; it was conceived that way. But the two films are very different in tone.

The first episode was whipped into a tidal wave of blood lust. Unfortunately it was all setup: the longest first act in movie history, staged _ and edited _ like a series of Pablo Ferro trailers. "Vol. 2" provides the second and third acts in one convenient serving, told in a languorous flashback-within-a-flashback. It offers long, airy takes that suggest Visconti with attention deficit disorder; in other words it's the narrative style that Sergio Leone employed in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."

This semisequel, like its predecessor, offers a guided tour of Mr. Tarantino's sensibility, loaded as it is with pop-culture references that will sate even the most vulpine appetite for the stuff. (It could be subtitled, "They Saved Tarantino's Brain.")

All of the director's musical, film and comic-book loves are on display; he gives much play to the grungy martial-arts melodrama "Five Fingers of Death," evoking its use of Quincy Jones's "Ironside" theme and plucking several of its plot devices. As befits that kind of density, there are more entrances, back stories and origins in "Vol. 2" than in the first hundred issues of "The Amazing Spider-Man," Leone's "Man With No Name" trilogy and all the "Shogun Assassin" movies combined.

But unlike the 100-meter-high hurdles of "Vol. 1," "Vol. 2" feels like a cross-country run, with hills and long stretches of flatland, as it settles into its casual, carnage-laden pace. It has the wily, extended cadences of Leone's movies, with the first 15 or so minutes filmed in loamy, luscious black-and-white and set in what could only be called exploitation-picture Texas. (What the master cinematographer Vittorio Storaro does with shadow, the director of photography Robert Richardson does with light, painting even the interiors with warm, bright flares. His harsh but loving glow permeates this adventure and, like Mr. Storaro's, his signature is instantly recognizable.)

"Vol. 2" reprises some of the carnage of "Vol. 1," in which the Bride (Ms. Thurman) goes maternal and breaks with the female-focused assassin crew managed by Bill (David Carradine) only to be pursued and punished along with the other guests at what would have been her nuptials. The Bride's name is now revealed: Beatrix Kiddo.

Bill isn't just being tender as he wipes her bloody, battered brow and calls her Kiddo; he's being businesslike. (This scene, also in the first film, has an unsettling grandeur; Beatrix's blood is all the more horrifying because it's in black-and-white, evoking B-slaughterhouse classics like "The Honeymoon Killers.")

When Bill arrives at Beatrix's wedding rehearsal, their entire romantic and professional background comes out, and then Bill and his team of mostly femmes fatales level the entire wedding party.

As in the first film, the Bride is on a mission of vengeance after being shot and left for dead. But this time out she's the unholy ghost, not the Friendly Ghost.

Beatrix, who also takes on the nom de guerre Black Mamba, calls her journey "a roaring rampage of revenge." The movie is laden with lurid, revved-up sadism; as visited upon the heroine, it's the kind of violence most often associated with prefeminist exploitation pictures in which the attacks often had a sexual charge.

By using Ms. Thurman in the lead, Mr. Tarantino is able to give the suffering an emotional core that a masculine protagonist wouldn't provide, and he allows her some of the most primal suffering ever. He has ransacked almost all of the movies he has ever seen, including the obscure 1970's television film "The Longest Night." Beatrix's subjection to one particular violation _ the one trap that you think she won't be able to fight her way out of _ is a devastatingly underplayed scene; it's about the danger she hears rather than sees.

Initially racked with terror, she has to focus on the obstacles at hand, so that she can take care of Bill and his gang, including the laconic Bud (Michael Madsen, who wrings every drop of moisture from his lines).

Many of the tortures of the damned that she undergoes come from Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah), the homicidal kitten who has replaced Beatrix in Bill's bed and who finally goes blade to blade with her. Mr. Tarantino remembers how convincing Ms. Hannah is in her physical arrogance.

Displaying her gladiatorial confidence, she swings into battle with Beatrix in the trash confines of a trailer home.

Beatrix's other pummeling comes from her martial-arts master, the kung-fu instructor Pei Mai (Gordon Liu), who early in "Vol. 2" trains her in lethal skills that come to the fore in later battles.

With his long cat-hair beard and eyebrows, Mr. Liu, a veteran of scores of combat films _ including "Vol. 1," in a different role _ returns to his Shaw Brothers roots as he's made up to resemble the blind-vengeance machine of Jimmy Wang Yu's "Master of the Flying Guillotine." He uses words as weapons, too.

Talk is busting out all over in "Vol. 2," which opens today nationwide. That conversational deviousness, which some may mistake for irony, was most visible in "Pulp Fiction," released 10 years ago. It is why Samuel L. Jackson may be the perfect actor for Mr. Tarantino. Oddly enough, Mr. Carradine is up to the demands of the monologues _ originally written for Warren Beatty _ and he soars with cunningly self-serving sagacity.

The movie plays on Mr. Carradine's persona as Cain, the totemic star of the TV series "Kung Fu," referenced by Mr. Jackson in "Pulp Fiction." Yet Mr. Carradine bends the lines to his own shaggy willfulness; he delivers a Superman soliloquy lifted, in part, from Jules Feiffer's book "The Great Comic Book Heroes," which also summarizes the director's ideas about character.

The immensely talented Michael Parks was also built for Mr. Tarantino's volubility. His respect for Mr. Parks and the actor's ear for confession is a sign of his appreciation of craft.

But the movie, which quivers with a geek-adrenaline rush, in some ways feels as if its time may have passed; it seems like a film Mr. Tarantino might have made before "Pulp Fiction."

"Vol. 2" works like a multimedia mix tape, and Mr. Tarantino rides the tempo of his films like a D.J., abetted in the wheel-in-a-wheel trickiness by the deft fingers of his editor Sally Menke. When one of the characters in Vol. 2 makes an offhand remark about "undisputed truth," Mr. Tarantino's actual forebear is clear: the R&B producer Norman Whitfield.

Mr. Whitfield was the link between Detroit slick (Motown) and funk (Parliament/Funkadelic). While adding a few licks of his own, Mr. Tarantino, like Mr. Whitfield, gets goose flesh from the evil that lurks within.

  

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33. "Brilliant!"
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Loved every moment 5/5, favorite part is the Pai Mei training sessions. Uma and Carradine deserve Oscar noms.

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35. "Yes ,they do deserve ocsar noms,so true man!"
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75. "RE: Brilliant!"
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Yeah the trainer dude was trip. Especially his dialog and the way he always stroked his beard.
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34. "Just got back from the 1:00 matinee show in my area and"
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the ish was beautiful,and the training scenes were dope but I wish they were even longer man. Plus, I got a theatrical trailer for HERO I was like oh sh*t!,I was like," Hey I have that on DVD already hahaha..lol" I hope Gordon Liu gets more roles in american films now,dude has always been dope as f**k. David Carradine was the man, no pun intended. Great emotional performance from Uma. I stayed and saw the actors and there real names flashing on screen,but didn't stay to see the blooper clip. Ah man I want to discuss this film but I'll wait till tommorrow to really get into a discussion. By the way Elle and B****** fight was dope,all I'll say is Uma did the damn thing,it was awesome.




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114. "wait"
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you have HERO on dvd??
how is that?
did i miss something?

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121. "RE: wait"
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>you have HERO on dvd??
>how is that?
>did i miss something?

Well yeah. www.monkeypeaches.com treated me so ah check it out ASAP.

Honestly, I loved Kill Bill both times on the big screen & it was great on DVD 4 a 3rd time but seeing Vol 2 the following day made me feel like the cats awhile back that used complain that the Sopranos wasnt violent enuff.

If the story's good enuff I have no complaints but this 1 dragged 2 much & the dialouge was quite tedious & boring compared 2 other QT efforts.

I never bought the scene where Uma finally sees her daughter 4 the 1st time. It gets stretched out enuff 2 where I'm finally convinced but overall I didnt like it.

Looking forward 2 Troy now. & Hero on the big screen in Seattle @ 1 of the best theaters in the country. But Vol 2 of Kill Bill wasn't the treat that I expected it 2 be...sorry 2 say. Daryl H. & David C & Micheal Madd as Budd were as good as they could be. IMO it could've easily been edited into 1 flick 3 hours tops easily & been a much better expeirence overall but oh well.

Glad I bought Vol 1 on DVD already cuz I dont know if I'll get Vol 2 when it comes out. No matter how suped up it is compared 2 the 1st 1. Honestly I hate 2 ruin the appreciation fest on this thread but I gotta tell it how it is. Quite a let down overall. Fuck Harvey W. 1 3 hour flick & better editing would've been perfect. Vol 1 & 2 feel like 2 different movies so I dont understand all the critics that thought this standed as a great movie on its own. I completely disagree. The story filling in all the background missed from Vol 1 was cool but the supposedly clever, interesting, important, & entertaining dialouge inserted in place of all the action wasnt up 2 par 4 me. Didnt hate it...but certainly didnt enjoy it as much as I thought I would. Oh well.

  

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I agree with you basically, I think vol 1 was just the right speed for me, vol 2 was like watching slow motion, I think i want to watch it again after the hype dies.

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36. "Dope As FUCK."
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I agree with Manhola Dargis in the L.A. Times who said that it was a mistake to split these movies in two (thanks, Harvey Weinstein!). I can see why the decision was made, though.

But still, this is some good, good shit. Very entertaining.

Quentin has this little thing he does with his movies (all except Reservoir Dogs). He lures people into them by promoting the action, and the blood and the guts and the funky dialogue...but once you're there, he slyly sneaks in little bursts of absurdist, almost sitcom-like family comedy. Think back to Pulp Fiction, and the section called The Bonnie Incident. All that whole thing was was an absurd sitcom scenario (the boys have got to get rid of Marvin's pieces before the wife gets home, or else...bang zoom, to the moon, Jimmie!). It was so funny and worked so well because we're all familiar with the sitcom setup (the race against time), and at least I was amazed how he was able to plug a new dynamic into it (the handling of a dead body). Also, think back to the House of Blue Leaves battle in Vol. 1, when, after The Bride's done dispatching with a few of the Crazy 88s behind a blue backdrop, there's only one left. The proprietor hits the lights, and...there's a teenage boy holding a sword, scared shitless. Anyone else handling this scene probably would have had a moment where The Bride stares at the boy, wistfully thinking about her child. But instead, Tarantino freaks the scene, has The Bride pull the kid over her knee and give him a spanking. It's that unexpected comedic twist that is Tartantino's secret weapon, or at least one of them.

I knew it was strange that he'd start Vol. 1 with "Bang Bang, My Baby Shot Me Down." When I first saw the movie, I thought that was an odd choice to start a "rip-roaring revenge tale" with. But once you see Vol. 2, it all makes sense. And then some.

This one has more of a western feel to it. Well, all but Chapter 8 and The Last Chapter. But there is more of a deliberate tone to this one. But when the action comes, boy it comes hard and fast. Fantastic shit.

The acting all around was great. I really didn't have any complaints. My man David Carradine steals the show. He's so cool, so calm, that when he has bursts of violence, there so effective because of his seductive nature. There's a reason why he's given the name he's given, as you'll see at the end. His scenes with Uma were very underplayed, very poignant. Revenge has its cost.

Speaking of which, in order for this whole thing to work, you have to buy the chemistry of Carradine and Uma Thurman. I can say, for the most part that I could. However, there was a little thought in my head that perhaps Carradine was too old for the role, since he'd seem more like a father to her than anything...the role of Bill is one I could very easily see Warren Beatty playing, but I'm glad he dropped out, since he might have had the urge to overplay it, like Shampoo 2004.

And fuck that reviewer who said it seemed as if Tarantino was too infatuated with Uma Thurman. Fuck him. It's her fuckin' movie. What, was he mad that there weren't a lot of lingering close-ups of Michael Madsen? Did he want more shots of the big tit girls at the strip club? Asshole.

I can't wait until both volumes are on DVD. Cause that way, I'll be able to fully digest the joint in one sitting, and again admire the way Tarantino tells a story. Yeah, he's a film geek, a pop culture vulture with good musical taste, but dammit, he knows all the tricks to telling an entertaining story. Did I say it was a "logical" story? No. Is every little loose end tied up neatly so we can all go home thinking all is right with the world? No. But he gives you the nuts and bolts, the vital shit, and sneaks some funny stuff in that you don't expect. And he loves the shit outta movies. Can't beat that.

Best of the year so far.

And oh yeah, feel free to come back to this review in 6, 7 months, after all the hype has died down and we get the DVD release. I doubt my opinion of the film(s) will change very much.
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39. "if it were one movie-"
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>I agree with Manhola Dargis in the L.A. Times who said that
>it was a mistake to split these movies in two (thanks,
>Harvey Weinstein!). I can see why the decision was made,
>though.

the way i've heard it described (still haven't seen Volume 2), is that Volume 1 was more the action-packed, gore galore, while Volume 2 was a more deliberate, talky piece of the puzzle.

a.is this true?
b.put em together, trying to compensate w/ that being a large hypothetical, would it have seemed like two different films?

two halves w/ different tones? would it have blended well together?

  

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40. "That is correct."
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The tones are different. But I think they'd work together, since the tone changes abruptly at the very end of Vol. 1...and like I said, it *seemed* odd that the very first song you hear is "Bang Bang, My Baby Shot Me Down" for this allegedly high-octane revenge movie. But one certain thing changes everything...and it's planted throughout Vol. 1 as well...there are serious moments in that one...
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37. "awesome..."
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perfect, except for the fact that i missed o-ren and gogo. but that's just me griping

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42. "god damn. it was amazing."
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i liked it even better than vol. 1.

  

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43. "Truly."
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I thought it was better than Volume 1. Best movie I've seen in a while.

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45. "I want that RZA beat."
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The one that plays when B****** is training with Pai Mei.
And fuck what you say, "Black Mamba" is ill. Check it during the credits.










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46. "Yeah that joint is tight its actually a hidden track at"
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end of the Volume 2 soundtrack its on there you should go cop it.

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50. "That's not the one I'm talking about."
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http://killbill.movies.go.com/vol2/flash/

If you go to this site, and click on Bill's section, you'll hear the beat.










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47. "Just got back...."
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Great flick, I liked the first one better but vol 2 still kicked ass. Really like the dialogue in the movie and how the movie focused on fleshing out the charcters. QT did a great job of making this film more than just a run of the mill film. 4 out of 5 stars!
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48. "that shit was hot!!!"
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on the real. im not a tarantino dickrider either. i saw vol 1 the day it came out, but didnt get the full effect of the movie (cinematography, influences, music, etc, etc) until i watched it again on dvd this week. after the second viewing i was eagerly anticipating vol 2. saw that shit today and i was like 'damn!'...really, i think it was very clever the break the joint into two halves. they seemed like 2 diff flicks. like somebody posted about vol 1 being more action packed and vol 2 being a little more in depth, thats true. the score was tight, robert rodriguez did his thing. the ending was not what i expected. i wont comment on that tho, that would be a spoiler. the dialogue was dope as fuck too. i really enjoyed this shit, ill prolly see it again.


  

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49. "Anyone else act a fool when they heard the"
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"shogun assassin" monologue? My girlfriend looked at me like I rode the short bus, when I was reciting line for line. She then says "I think you've seen that movie a few too many times." And I said "More like, I heard the album too many times." Then she was confused and I had to explain it to her. Not sure if that was RZA's idea or QT's, but whoever's idea it was a nice little treat.

Overall, I really enjoyed the film. We watched Vol 1 and then headed to the theatre to see Vol 2, but I'm still not sure how they would work together as a 4 hour film. I will say that Vol 2 is everything all the positive reviews say it is. QT had the pacing and timing down pat and I gotta co-sign on the critic who said it felt operatic at times. Probably the best adjective to describe the flick. A bit predictable at the end, but other than that I have no complaints. Great editing, great score, great acting (not sure if it's Oscar worthy...), great script, amazing cinematography... what more can you ask for?

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52. "Actually..."
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It's the version from "Liquid Swords" you hear.

You can tell by the edit of the speech.










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195. "no it's not"
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65. "i fuckin flipped"
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me and the above poster (truth0ne) were like

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

oh shit!

liquid swords got me through some tough times, and i was almost teary with the mommy seen!!!! (im such a nerd)

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66. "shit, i was getting teary too"
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maybe because all my friends are having babies so i'm all sensitive
but all the scenes w/ her daughter (especially their shootout and watching the movie) really got me in a good way


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69. "uma was so great with the little girl"
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u can tell shes a mom in real life... that was emotional for me cuz...

-the whole story ending up the way it did
-im in love (ha) with the man i wanna have babies with
-and if u are familiar with me as a poster, wutang officially turned me into a hip hop kid about 1994... and liquid swords was a very special album at a hard time for me.

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70. "i was thinking the same thing"
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the whole scene in Bebe's room I just knew Uma couldn't have done if she wasn't a mother

and the little girl was awesome. the weight of the picture ended up on her (and her chemistry w/ uma) and she more than carried it.
proves once again tarantino is an actor's director through and through

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73. "Wrong Place"
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oops, i did it again
reposted elsewhere

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80. "cosign but my friends are lame and i had no 1 to share"
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that with.

lol @ illadelph with "suuuuuuuuuuuuuuu" but that's the what immediately came to my head.


  

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85. "right here"
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i was like, im going to listen to liquid swords on the way home now.

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282. "I had a big grin on my face"
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I dont listen too much hiphop these days, but that GZA album was my shit in Highschool.

Cd's that you should own
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51. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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off the mutha-glockin' chain..if you haven't seen it go...right now you internet chattin' freak! go now!!!!!!
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53. "Godamn that was intense"
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Kill Bill is a masterpiece. Every actor in it deserves every possible award they could be eligible for this year. The scene where Bill comes to the wedding rehearsal is heartbreaking, it's horrifying when she's burried alive, and your as shocked and confused as Beatrix when she finds her daughter. Every death holds alot of weight in this one in contrast with Vol.1. Intense. This film has been burned into my mind, every frame.
Anyone who considers Tarantino a hack rip-off artist that watches this and doesn't change their mind is a fraud.

Uma has just become my favourite actor. Carradine isn't very far behind.

DAMN
DAMN
DAMN
DAMN
DAMN
DAMN
THAT
WAS
GOOD

Oh and does anyone know what movie poster was in Budd's trailer? and what film was on Bill's TV?

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54. "RE: Godamn that was intense"
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Indeed.

Bill was a smooth muthafucka!

What about the part with the 80 year old spanish pimp?

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55. "The poster is from the Charles Bronson film"
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Mr. Majestyk
dunno about the film though
i know he is a HUGE William Whitney fan so i was wondering if that was the source

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56. "Fucking Great Film"
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just got back from seeing, that shit was intense as a motherfucker, it was great when she pulled the other eye out, man the shit was crazy.

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57. "I'll have to track that down"
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Thanks. I'm fairly sure Madsen's character is named after Budd Boetticher, maybe it was one of his films. The camera lingered on it for a second so I'm sure it shares some themes with kill bill.

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58. "i don't think Majestyk is hard to find"
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i saw it at border's a while back on the cheap

and did you see the NY Times article on the references of both films? I posted it twice but it got no response. i have yet to read the volume 2 stuff (back when spoilers were an issue)
they might have mentioned the origins of budd's name


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61. "yeah it's cheap on amazon"
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too. I was waiting to see the film before i read that article so i could try and spot them on my own, bout time to click on the bookmark.

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59. "here's the NY Times on Boetticher"
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and the link

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/11/movies/11KEHR.html

"BUDD BOETTICHER A protégé of Ford, Budd Boetticher brought the American western into its ironic, absurdist phase with a series of westerns he made in the 1950's with Randolph Scott — the first of which, "Seven Men From Now" (1956), provides the model for the serial-revenge plot structure of "Kill Bill." The rocky desert landscape around Barstow, Calif., the backdrop for many of Boetticher's films, is in "Kill Bill" the natural habitat of Michael Madsen's fallen swordfighter, whose name, of course, is Budd. Like many Boetticher heroes, Budd is a disillusioned fighter who has tried to retire into a solitary, private life, only to be forced into action again by unfinished business."

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64. "after two weeks NY Times access isn't free."
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-Afact, might as well post up this whole thing. BTW, saw your two posts of this but couldn't inspire an intelligent thought. just saying.

and all you movie-seeing bastids get the gas face.


EVER since "Kill Bill Vol. 1" was released last October, Internet movie message boards have been buzzing about the numerous references that Quentin Tarantino's action revenge film makes to the rich tradition of Asian genre filmmaking — both Hong Kong kung fu movies and the Japanese swordfight flicks. With the release on Friday of "Kill Bill Vol. 2," Mr. Tarantino's grand design becomes clear: where the first part of his epic took place under the sign of the East, the second is largely devoted to the West — that is, the American and European traditions of revenge movies, particularly the American western.

With the dense network of references in "Kill Bill," Mr. Tarantino is at once playing a game and making a point, demonstrating how Eastern and Western popular culture have so strongly influenced each other over the years that the new style in action filmmaking is an inseparable blend of the two. Just as the Japanese director Akira Kurosawa acknowledged borrowing from John Ford's American westerns for his 1954 epic "The Seven Samurai," so did the Italian director Sergio Leone borrow from Kurosawa's 1961 swordplay film "Yojimbo" for "A Fistful of Dollars," the film that gave rise to the spaghetti western. "Kill Bill" closes the circle, bringing Asian, European and American influences together into a glorious, crazy, rousing and finally quite poignant meta-movie.

It isn't necessary to get all of Mr. Tarantino's references — many quite esoteric — to enjoy "Kill Bill," but a little background information does enhance the experience. The notes below are meant to suggest a few points of entry into Mr. Tarantino's sprawling work. They are by no means exhaustive.

THE EAST ("Vol. 1")

SONNY CHIBA In Mr. Tarantino's screenplay for "True Romance," Christian Slater's character sneaks off to a double feature of Sonny Chiba films — "The Streetfighter" and "The Return of the Streetfighter," two of the most violent gangster movies ever to come out of Japan. Mr. Tarantino has matured since then, and Mr. Chiba's glowering presence in "Kill Bill" — played brilliantly for comedy as well as menace — now seems more of a reference to Mr. Chiba's long association with the Japanese director Kinji Fukasaku, who discovered him and with whom he made several dozen samurai dramas (a snatch of music from one of the best, "The Yagyu Clan Conspiracy," can be heard in "Kill Bill"). Mr. Chiba's character in "Kill Bill," the master swordmaker Hattori Hanzo, who provides the Bride (Uma Thurman) with her weapon of vengeance, is named after a real-life samurai of the Tokugawa shogunate, first played by Mr. Chiba in a 1970's series for Japanese television.

GORDON LIU A gifted and popular star of the Shaw Brothers' kung fu films, Mr. Liu rose to fame under the direction of his brother, Liu Chia Liang, in favorites like "The 36th Chamber of Shaolin." "Kill Bill" references "36th Chamber" by casting Mr. Liu, not as the pupil he played in that film, but as the fighting master — Pai Mei, who teaches the Bride the "five point exploding heart technique." With his outrageously long white facial hair that is as firmly associated with fighting masters in kung fu films as black mustaches are with the villains in American cowboy movies, Mr. Liu is barely recognizable in "Vol. 2" — though he also appears in Vol. 1 with his familiar shaved head as the leader of Lucy Liu's Yakuza army, the Crazy 88.

LUCY LIU As O-ren Ishii, former member of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad and current ruler of the Tokyo underworld, Lucy Liu plays a character of mixed Japanese, Chinese and American ancestry — which is, of course, the genealogy of "Kill Bill" itself. The look of her character seems based on "Lady Snowblood," a stylish Japanese swordplay film of 1973 directed by Toshiya Fujita, whose heroine is a young woman born in prison and sworn to avenge the death of her family at the hands of a group of swindlers. The haunting imagery that concludes "Vol. 1" — blood spilled in softly falling snow — comes directly from Mr. Fujita's film, as does the use of chapter titles and a cartoon sequence (Mr. Tarantino's is animated; Mr. Fujita uses the still frames of a Japanese manga comic book).

KINJI FUKASAKU The Japanese prints of "Kill Bill Vol. 1" carried a dedication to Mr. Fukasaku, a major figure in Japanese genre filmmaking who died in January 2003 after directing some 60 features. Mr. Fukasaku's work ranged from courtly period dramas (like "The Yagyu Clan Conspiracy") to outrageously violent and anarchic gangster films, like his masterpiece "Battles Without Honor and Humanity." The pounding theme music from "Battles" introduces the Crazy 88 in "Vol. 1," and feeds into the spectacular massacre that is "Vol. 1's" finale. Chiaki Kuriyama, who played a murderous Japanese schoolgirl in Mr. Fukasaku's last completed film, "Battle Royale," appears in "Kill Bill" in virtually the same role, the teenage killer, Go Go Yubari.

'LONE WOLF AND CUB' "Kill Bill" represents a rare attempt to blend the Chinese and Japanese styles of martial arts, and if Gordon Liu represents the bare-handed Chinese kung fu tradition, Sonny Chiba stands for the Japanese tradition of swordfighting, as practiced by the warriors of the samurai class. Much of the highly stylized violence in "Kill Bill" — the surgically clean decapitations, the thin, fizzy blood that sprays out from wounded bodies like cherry soda from a shaken can — comes from the ultraviolent tradition of Japanese series like "Lone Wolf and Cub" (six titles to date) and "Zatoichi, the Blind Swordsman" (25 films, not including Takeshi Kitano's recent remake of the first installment, "Zatoichi"). "Lone Wolf and Cub," about a masterless samurai who wanders the countryside, pushing his infant in a booby-trapped baby carriage, resonates in "Kill Bill" with the repeated theme of innocent children bound to violent adults. And "Shogun Assassin," a 1980 dubbed digest of the first two "Lone Wolf" movies, makes a surprise appearance in "Vol. 2" as one character's dubious choice for bedtime viewing.

THE WEST ("Vol. 2")

JOHN FORD The director of "Stagecoach," "My Darling Clementine" and "The Searchers" is an important presence in "Vol. 2" from the opening minutes, in which Mr. Tarantino lovingly recreates one of Ford's favorite shots: a vast, blindingly bright Western landscape as framed through the doorway of a dark interior. As one of the creators of the classic American western, Ford established many of the thematic concerns and visual tropes that Mr. Tarantino builds on in the second installment of "Kill Bill." The wedding chapel where the attempted murder of the Bride takes place recalls many of Ford's lonely outposts of civilization, like the white frame church in "Clementine." It is also possible that the eye patch worn by Elle Driver (Darryl Hannah) is a reference to the eye patch Ford wore in his later years, though this image (see below) has multiple sources.

BUDD BOETTICHER A protégé of Ford, Budd Boetticher brought the American western into its ironic, absurdist phase with a series of westerns he made in the 1950's with Randolph Scott — the first of which, "Seven Men From Now" (1956), provides the model for the serial-revenge plot structure of "Kill Bill." The rocky desert landscape around Barstow, Calif., the backdrop for many of Boetticher's films, is in "Kill Bill" the natural habitat of Michael Madsen's fallen swordfighter, whose name, of course, is Budd. Like many Boetticher heroes, Budd is a disillusioned fighter who has tried to retire into a solitary, private life, only to be forced into action again by unfinished business.

SERGIO LEONE Leone admitted that he was influenced by Boetticher's black humor and mercenary heroes when he created "A Fistful of Dollars" (1964), the cynical, violent and often very funny western that established Clint Eastwood as a star. The Leone work most often referenced in "Kill Bill" is "Once Upon a Time in the West," Leone's 1968 epic. Henry Fonda played a mysterious, all-powerful gunman not unlike Bill; Charles Bronson played a vengeful character named Harmonica (so called because he's always playing one) who stands behind many of the Bride's actions (themselves underlined by the harmonica theme composed by Luis Bacalov for the 1972 Italian western "Il Grande Duello"). Apparently a passionate cinephile, Budd has a poster from Richard Fleischer's 1974 Bronson vehicle, "Mr. Majestyk," hanging in his trailer.

DAVID CARRADINE Cast as the master assassin Bill, a phantom presence in "Vol. 1" who gradually materializes into an all-too-human figure in "Vol. 2," David Carradine provides a link to both of the great traditions behind "Kill Bill." His father, John Carradine, was a member of John Ford's stock company, playing smooth-talking Southern politicians and riverboat gamblers. And of course, Mr. Carradine's initial fame was as Kwai Chang Caine, a half-American, half-Chinese Shaolin monk wandering the American West in the 1970's television series "Kung Fu" (itself the subject of a Samuel L. Jackson soliloquy in Mr. Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction"). He also starred in the oddball 1978 movie "The Silent Flute" (a k a "Circle of Iron"), in a role that Bruce Lee had written for himself before his death. In "Kill Bill," Mr. Carradine is seen playing a flute, much like the one that accompanied Caine on his journeys.

DARYL HANNAH As Elle Driver, the professional assassin who is one of the targets of the Bride's campaign for revenge, Ms. Hannah introduces references outside the western framework. Her eye patch comes from "They Call Her One Eye," a 1974 Swedish (!) revenge film by Bo Arne Vibenius, a former assistant to Ingmar Bergman. Her nurse disguise in "Vol. 1" is a reference to a similar costume in Brian De Palma's "Dressed to Kill." The imposing Ms. Hannah nevertheless recalls the heroines of surreal 1950's female-centered westerns like Allan Dwan's "Woman They Almost Lynched" and Nicholas Ray's "Johnny Guitar." Though the name Elle Driver suggests a reference to Walter Hill's terse 1978 chase classic, "The Driver," Mr. Tarantino has said that it's an inside reference to Sarah Kelly, an assistant nicknamed El Driver on the Tarantino-scripted 1996 vampire western, "From Dusk Till Dawn."

  

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60. "Nevermind..."
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62. "*hands shaking over keyboard*"
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i couldnt WAIT to get home and get on this site and talk about it.

BEST MOVIE I EVER SAW IN MY YOUNG LIFE.

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67. "i dont think theres any other girls in this post..."
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but shit, i cried a little a FEW times.

i am dead serious, havent seen a movie that made this much of a lasting impression since CROUCHING fricken TIGER.

this movie was absolutely perfect in every way, shape, and form.

only thing i think they missed (or did i), wheres sophie????

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72. "RE: i dont think theres any other girls in this post..."
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>only thing i think they missed (or did i), wheres sophie????

probably the hospital, i think you have to stay there awhile after losing an arm.

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210. "i love sophie"
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one arm and all.

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68. "Just got back from seeing it..."
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nice way to finish up the film...I will not spoil it for folks that have not seen it...

I shall add on later..

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71. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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Sam said he was a Gang and a Bar-Kay. Nice rnb QT touch. And a main thing or main character in my opinion is Carradines voice. Its like fuckin scotch/whiskey etc. Weathered and cool as fuck. Burial was the ish scene. I mean when she did what she did,you felt like clapping for her. And the emotion/terror she showed while it was happening made it more powerful. Effa wiggle your big toe.

  

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277. "LMAO"
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@"Effa wiggle your big toe"

u right that scene was something else,

i like this movie a lot, the movies overall seemed like a tribute to his inspirations, but still packin action, this 2nd one had that tarantino dialouge, where some it doesnt really pertain to the plot but still hits u hard, im torn by all the bill scenes, i loved it as i was watching, but i dunno,

the buried alive is crazy, tarantino mos def knows how to use quirks to get points across

i just liked it, slow in a good way, i love a slow action film when the characters shine, and bill was the man, i dunno where the pimp came from, that was a "wtf", pai mai was hilarious with that beard shit, i mean, tarantino performs miracles by doing so many things in one, i dont think any1 should ever try what he did with this joint, it was so much pain in vol 2, u almost wish she coulda forgave big pimpin bill ass, ill 2 movie deal, very ill

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74. "I figured out who Paula Schultz is!!"
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I knew it had to be something!

ok, so i'm watching Trio and a movie called "Deadlier than the Male" is on during Tarantino's week-long movie fest

and Elke Sommer plays the leading lady

and Elke Sommer played none other than Paula Schultz in the the "Wicked Dreams of Paula Schultz" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063805/

I'm a fucking genius...god, i need a life

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76. "RE: I figured out who Paula Schultz is!!"
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> I knew it had to be something!
>
>ok, so i'm watching Trio and a movie called "Deadlier than
>the Male" is on during Tarantino's week-long movie fest
>
>and Elke Sommer plays the leading lady
>
>and Elke Sommer played none other than Paula Schultz in the
>the "Wicked Dreams of Paula Schultz"
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063805/
>
>I'm a fucking genius...god, i need a life

All I know is I was lovin the "whats the name on the grave" Good Bad and Ugly tribute. I just wanted it to have more substance to it, have then actually go to the grave for whatever reason. Maybe to see the hole where Uma dug and escaped from.

  

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77. "Wrong place"
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did it again

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81. "Nice work"
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another one to find.

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78. "Dork Trivia Question"
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Where is "Ah so" from?

It's used twice in the film. Once by Bill, once by the Bride
and Tarantino used it during one of his intros for a film on Trio

is it from Kung Fu?


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82. "RE: Dork Trivia Question"
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>Where is "Ah so" from?
>
>It's used twice in the film. Once by Bill, once by the Bride
>and Tarantino used it during one of his intros for a film on
>Trio
>
>is it from Kung Fu?

I thought it was QT using a stereotypical reference saying of Asian culture. If not specifically Charlie Chan

  

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83. "i'm thinking it is specific"
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like the Number 1 son thing from Vol 1

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84. "I think it's a general thing"
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and unless Tarantino ever reveals a source himself we're never gonna know.

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90. "RE: i'm thinking it is specific"
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>like the Number 1 son thing from Vol 1

No 1 son is a Chan reference

  

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92. "right"
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and therefore specific

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93. "RE: right"
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>and therefore specific

and Im telling you the "ah so" thing is also a Chan reference...the character of Chan did that in the movies

or at least now I'm saying its a Chan reference that became a stereoptype expression

  

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95. "which is what i was asking in the first place"
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thank you
there was confusion

i was asking what that was from and i read "it's a general thing"

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97. "RE: which is what i was asking in the first place"
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>thank you
>there was confusion
>
>i was asking what that was from and i read "it's a general
>thing"


I know..and Im admitting I spoke on "its a gen thing" but u reminded me of the Chan thing and I was like "oh yeah! thats where it originated from" lol

  

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98. "glad we got that figured out-god i need sleep"
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my brain stopped functioning hours ago

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79. "caught that matinee"
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..GREAT movie...a masterpeice IMHO.......i even kinda felt bad for bill in the end...

*SPOILER*

....was i the ONLY one kinda hopin she was just bullshittin Bill with the death move?? i was just waitin for him to take five steps, turn around and go "you FUCKIN ---", and then a sword run through him as he turned or something....that woulda been cool too....i loved the scene in the hotel.....

i hope he comes out wi a special edition that has this as ONE volume wit all tha extras on another disc....(like a 4 disc set)

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88. "yeah i felt really bad"
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beatrice and bebe are the only things he loved, more than killing.

well an arguement can be made cuz he tried and killed her, but look how he brought up bebe... i was really moved.

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91. "RE: yeah i felt really bad"
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>beatrice and bebe are the only things he loved, more than
>killing.
>
>well an arguement can be made cuz he tried and killed her,
>but look how he brought up bebe... i was really moved.

right..Bills a hypocrite because he acts asd if Uma couldn't have raised a child when he was the same way and did

fuck Bill..he deserved to die in a more harsh way

  

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94. "*spoiler*"
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i think having your heart explode is pretty bad.

and i think him walking away knowing he is going to die after those 5 steps and falling to the ground like that was better than any sword wound that could have come his way.

  

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96. "RE: *spoiler*"
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>i think having your heart explode is pretty bad.
>
>and i think him walking away knowing he is going to die
>after those 5 steps and falling to the ground like that was
>better than any sword wound that could have come his way.

You are correct..this whole second half was understated yet powerful. I think its the right thing because expected more overthetop carnage was not to be... it wasn't needed.

  

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86. "Gordon Lui......."
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DA MAN!!!!!!!!!!!
And how did y'all like them Shaw Brothers zooms?
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87. "he OWNED the audience"
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they were all about him

so nice to see Gordon Liu get props in a theater full of folks
never thought i'd see that happen. thanks Tarantino

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89. "zooms were ON point"
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256. "RE: Gordon Lui......."
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"Agent Hai To is a drunk... they say his best friend is the wine"

Describing Lui's 'Hai To' character in "Kid with the Golden Arm"

That dude is by far one of my favorite 70's kung-fu actors.

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99. "what was the song?"
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when she was lying in bed with her daughter,it says something like "no one told me about her"?
that shit is killin me cause i can't remember

  

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101. "Malcolm Mclaren - About Her"
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great song. it's on the soundtrack.

  

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102. "RE: what was the song?"
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>when she was lying in bed with her daughter,it says
>something like "no one told me about her"?
>that shit is killin me cause i can't remember

That was a Malcolm McClaren remake of an old 60's song..


  

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103. "RE: what was the song?"
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who was the original by

  

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105. "RE: what was the song?"
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>who was the original by

cant remember but its actually called She's Not There...but Mclaren slowed it down and sexed it up

  

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106. "n/m"
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107. "RE: what was the song?"
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OH shit, it's Santana. hell yeah, that was pissin me off cause i was listening to it a few days ago but couldn't remember what it was.

  

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109. "RE: what was the song?"
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>OH shit, it's Santana. hell yeah, that was pissin me off
>cause i was listening to it a few days ago but couldn't
>remember what it was.

Santana?

  

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110. "RE: what was the song?"
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>Santana?

Its on his greatest hits CD.

  

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111. "RE: what was the song?"
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>>Santana?
>
>Its on his greatest hits CD.

Oh you mean his version of it right? Cause that aint no Santana lol

  

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112. "its by the zombies"
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115. "RE: its the zombies"
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bingo g money.. heres something dumb to add..they used same song in ads for Long Kiss Goodnight where Gena Davis played another badazzed woman..with Sam Jackson also in the movie as he was here as piano player.

  

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116. "coincidence?"
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some think not:

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f12a428e47292c79e9627458ee5b9b20&threadid=62199

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117. "RE: coincidence?"
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>some think not:
>
>http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f12a428e47292c79e9627458ee5b9b20&threadid=62199

Oooooooo QT? ahhh suki suki nah lol..

  

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113. "RE: what was the song?"
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I didn't know he didn't do it first but his version is the one i know.

  

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100. "platinum, bitches. n/m"
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104. "RE: Believe it or not folks..."
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...I felt cheated

Prolly shouldn't have watched Vol 1 on DVD the night before.

Knew it would be more story

Dialouge didnt treat me as well as I thought it would

Maybe I need 2 see it again


  

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108. "RE: Believe it or not folks..."
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>...I felt cheated
>
>Prolly shouldn't have watched Vol 1 on DVD the night before.
>
>Knew it would be more story
>
>Dialouge didnt treat me as well as I thought it would
>
>Maybe I need 2 see it again

I believe you because I aint feelin it as much as it was hyped for th e last few go rounds..and this was my movie Ive been feening to see for th e last 5-6 months. Anothe r viewing is neccessary we know this..this time on my own . The music mixed with where Uma and Hannah are in standoff duel getting ready to throw down with swords however is worth the ticket alone. That piece is called A Sillohuete of Doom

  

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119. "Incredible."
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Best movie of the year so far.

Pei Mei and Budd scenes = BRILLIANT.

Amazing dialog, amazing story, brilliantly shot, wonderfully acted.

MUST SEE IT AGAIN.

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122. "PREMIERE PHOTOS"
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wow. http://eur.yimg.com/i/xp/premier_photo/f/fd802bd84c.jpg

http://uk.search.movies.yahoo.com/bin/search/photos_gallery_ukie/premiere/?tmp=premiere&p=movie:Kill Bill Vol. 2 (2004)&z=date&b=1&h=s

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123. "one of the more cinematic movies inna minute."
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the flick takes advantage of all dimensions of the medium: evocative performances, an articulate score/soundtrack, and an expressed understanding of how hype action is tantamount to pure film. it actually adds depth to volume one, giving what many dismissed as violent gratuity and blank parody emotional significance.

any movie that can get my angry blak ass caring about the fate of a white protagonist has done its job. i was there with Kiddo. i also felt that the movie was most intense when i was expecting irony, and lightest when i anticipated dead assness.

again, the score. Tarantino has an ear for found music that is rivaled in the contemporary mainstream by Spike Lee only ("Change Gonna Come" in Malcolm X, "Return of the Crooklyn Dodgers" in Clockers, and "A Love Supreme" in Mo Betta Blues if you're sleepin).

easily one of my favorite films of recent years and perhaps all time.

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124. "i liked vol. 1 better"
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maybe it's because i went into it with all my friends telling me it sucked and it was too talkytalky, but i still really enjoyed vol. 2. can any other director fuck with QT's soundtracks?

most people went into vol 2 expecting vol 1 all over again, but i now realize that it was better for QT to mix it up in the 'sequel'.

but despite there being more dialogue in the second one, i say what little dialogue in the first one was wittier.

uma was great, if not better in this one than the last. everyone basically gave a great performance (no one here's mentioned darryl hannah yet, that monologue while budd was dying was the shit!)...with the exception of michael madsen...i mean, what the hell? the first scene w/ him talking to bill infront of the trailor dragged on waaaay too long. i just expected more from the guy, considering his history with QT.

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128. "RE: i liked vol. 1 better"
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>everyone basically gave a great performance (no one here's
>mentioned darryl hannah yet, that monologue while budd was
>dying was the shit!)...

thank you...her whole persona is badazz and her spiel about how Budd did the bride was a nice touch...sort of like some rigteous honor


with the exception of michael
>madsen...i mean, what the hell? the first scene w/ him
>talking to bill infront of the trailor dragged on waaaay too
>long. i just expected more from the guy, considering his
>history with QT.

His best line was what was advertised...the "that woman deserves her revenge..and we deserve to die." However I did expect more of that quality of dialogue and not the subdued yet pissed hillbilly shit.

Is anyone else trippin on how we didn't get to see more of the viper assassins together as a team in flashback? I know some may say it isnt needed and Vol. 1 gave us some quick anime of them beating the brides ass...but still the vipers all lookin down on Uma and in front of the chappell is some iconic imagery that I wanted more of.

  

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134. "I thought the Madsen stuff was great"
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pretty sad really.

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136. "RE: I thought the Madsen stuff was great"
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>pretty sad really.

most of what he does is great..I think I was just a bit let down that he was just coimng off as pathetic when he was advertised to have more juice and dignity. He was parlayed into some pathetic drunk ( yet satill menacing yes) but I wanted more sophisitcation from him like D Hannah had. Thats why they fooled me with his "that woman deserves her revenge" ad line. I had no idea they'd quick cut and he'd be acting like a yokel, yuckin it up right after that statement with Bill.

BTW nobody gave a damn about Bills badass ride?

I was also wondering why no Death Race 2000 homage...maybe the design of th ecar...hmmm

  

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125. "*panting*......goddam"
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dope...as...fuck....

better than I though, as far as the writing went. Take it from a screenwriter, fucking awesome how he yanks you along when Uma sees her daughter and then at the end when you don't know why the fuck she's crying, then drops the "thank you" on you.

sicker than a muthufuka

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126. "spoiler, I suppose/questions"
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B.Kiddo bringing a gun to kill Bill threw me off. Was Tarantino maybe trying to spoof a movie or type of action movie? Have to say I liked how David Caradine delivered some of his lines during the final chapter, minus the Superman spiel, but I guess that's because I gave up buying comic books a while ago. What was the caliber of the gun he shot the fruit with? Ill right there how it looked like a peephole. Was the gun in homage to the western on Bill's big screen during the Superman speech?

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127. "instant classic."
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129. "the sirens that go off when the Bride spots a Viper."
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sirens with a uptempo drum cadence, punctuated by a horn phrease. it's a motif that happens at least four times during the course of both volumes (they go off when she first sees Vernita, Sofie, Oren, and Elle; the horns that sound when she first sees Bill and her daughter sound like they might be related too).

where is that shit from?

it's gotta be from another movie or part of some other score.

it's one of my favorite details in Kill Bill.

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130. "RE: the sirens that go off when the Bride spots a Viper"
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>sirens with a uptempo drum cadence, punctuated by a horn
>phrease. it's a motif that happens at least four times
>during the course of both volumes (they go off when she
>first sees Vernita, Sofie, Oren, and Elle; the horns that
>sound when she first sees Bill and her daughter sound like
>they might be related too).
>
>where is that shit from?
>
>it's gotta be from another movie or part of some other
>score.
>
>it's one of my favorite details in Kill Bill.


That's the Ironside series music. Its on V.1 soundtrak.

  

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132. "goodlookin."
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« caught in production where young blak life means nothin »

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312. "RE: the sirens that go off when the Bride spots a Viper"
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>>sirens with a uptempo drum cadence, punctuated by a horn
>>phrease. it's a motif that happens at least four times
>>during the course of both volumes (they go off when she
>>first sees Vernita, Sofie, Oren, and Elle; the horns that
>>sound when she first sees Bill and her daughter sound like
>>they might be related too).
>>
>>where is that shit from?
>>
>>it's gotta be from another movie or part of some other
>>score.
>>
>>it's one of my favorite details in Kill Bill.
>
>
>That's the Ironside series music. Its on V.1 soundtrak.


I watched The Five Fingers of Death and heard the same siren music from time to time. Ironside came up with the sirens first?

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131. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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two big ol thumbs up.


*SPOILERS*

the scene that had me rolling was when the assassin tried to kill the bride in the hotel! that shit was hilarious!

but yeah, pai mei was a highlight for me. everything was on point in those scenes.

  

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135. "i actually hated that scene"
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with the asian chick. eh. useless really.

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137. "RE: i actually hated that scene"
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>with the asian chick. eh. useless really.

did that seem tacked on or wooden to you...I can see that they hasd to explain Umas perosnal situation but the assasin didn't fit with this volumes mood imo.

  

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139. "they had to"
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show the moment where she gave up the life. I dig that scene.

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142. "RE: they had to"
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>show the moment where she gave up the life. I dig that
>scene.

I know they had to somehow...I thought it'd be with Uma stating the story on th e steps of the church with Bill

  

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133. "did anyone catch b.b."
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the two parents names.

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138. "RE: did anyone catch b.b."
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>the two parents names.

whaa?

  

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140. "RE: did anyone catch b.b."
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bill..beatrix...? capiche?

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143. "RE: did anyone catch b.b."
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>bill..beatrix...? capiche?

ya..but what about it..they both start with B? or B.B. for both of them? lol Im just askin.

oh now I get it! Bebe--B.B. ! At least I posted my immediate insight! lol.

decided not to edit out that I didnt get B.B.

  

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165. "when the credits rolled"
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they showed the girls name was b.b. not bebe

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141. "question about music in Vol.1"
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what is the rza/is it a rza track is it when the Bride and Hattori Hanzo are in the sword room for the first time?

  

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144. "RE: question about music in Vol.1"
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>what is the rza/is it a rza track is it when the Bride and
>Hattori Hanzo are in the sword room for the first time?

Well they do use A Silhouette Of Doom by Ennio Morricone in the scene where they raising swords on each end of the trailor.

  

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149. "Lily Chou-Chou - Kaifuku Suru Kizu"
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you can find the mp3 here:

http://www.killbill2.net/music.php

  

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162. "THANKS!"
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That loop has been going on over and over in my head for days.

  

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145. "I liked it a lot"
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I don't think I liked it as much as most of the people in this thread but I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless.

even though I watched Vol 1 last night I'd really like to see them together as one film. Does anyone know if they're going to be showing screenings of the whole thing any time soon?

I will say that really I love the way QT puts his movies together. He's one of few directors who have yet to let me down.

I certainly can't find many flaws in it. The Superman monologue seemed out of place and just reeked of QT thinking "ok how am I gonna slip this into my movie?" but then again you can find stuff like that in all of his films. And I liked what he said so overall I could care less if it was out of place or not.

I really loved the Madsen stuff. clearly his best performance ever.

the coffin scene honestly had me feeling so claustrphobic that I actually had to remind myself that I was sitting in a movie theater.

Overall really really good stuff. keep up the good work

  

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160. "i just got back from LA"
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and on friday night at the arclight off of sunset, apparently, they had a 4 film tarantino marathon. reservoir dogs, pulp fiction, kill bill vol 1, and then kill bill vol 2 with qt in attendance.

¹ZE·RO

Illgaluminati....rocket scientists with pocket winelists

listening:
kind of like spitting - bridges worth burning
death cab for cutie - something about airplanes
fiona apple - when the pawn...
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166. "not sure if I could have handled that"
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I mean I love the Arclight and all but I'm not sure if I could spend that much time with hardcore Tarantino fans

as it is when his name appeared for the Hero trailer. a hand full of people in the theater went wild "OH YES!!" "WOOOHOO".

did he do a Q&A?

  

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146. "REVIEW: the-breaks.com"
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http://www.the-breaks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4075

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* CUT CHEMIST-debut LP
* GHOSTFACE-The Pretty Toney
* JOHN WILKES BOOZE-Five Pillars Of Soul
* YOSHIKO KISHINO-Praha
* DIANA KRALL-The Girl In The Other Room
* N*E*R*D-Fly Or Die
* THE ROOTS-The Tipping Point
* VA-Blue Note Revisited

care to add to my list? with your suggestion

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147. "I didn't like it that much"
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I pretty much didn't like it at all actually.

I liked Uma Thurman's performance though.

So that counts for something I guess.

It's just a shame we had to go through all that just to reach some banal message about motherhood that's been repeated over and over again in all kinds of films, books, and Oprah shows.

I also felt Tarantino relied on the cheapest methods possible to create suspense or fear in the audience.

I had lots of problems with this movie.

I had some problems with volume 1 as well, but I thought it had its moments and was entertaining overall.

This one did hardly anything for me.

Thumbs down.




  

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148. "what did you like about vol 1..."
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that you didn't like about this one?

and seriously friday, what were you expecting?

  

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150. "RE: what did you like about vol 1..."
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>that you didn't like about this one?
>

Let's see. . .

The violence. Or rather, the comedy of the violence. It was there a little in this one. . . but the first volume was really hilarious I thought. You know the scene were Lucy Liu chops off the guy's head and his torso just spurts blood for the longest time? That was funny to me. That reminded me of the famous Black Knight sketch Monty Python did.

So the absurd level of violence played up for comic effect I thought was really interesting.

What else. . .

I don't know. The first film didn't have much of substance to offer, but at least it didn't take itself seriously either. This film *thought* it had something of substance to offer, but it didn't. Unfortunately, it took itself seriously.

Also, the "tributes" to other films and film styles weren't that interesting to me this time around.

The kung fu training scenes paid tribute to that style of film and all its fast, disorienting zoom-ins, but it also borrowed the cliche of the training and trying to overcome some "impossible" physical task. . . things we've seen a hundred times.

We've also seen people buried alive a hundred times. . . and when someone is buried alive in a movie they *always* escape. No suspense there.

Lots of stuff that was cliche. I'm sure that was the point. Intentional to a certain degree. But it's still the same old shit.

Also, in this film Tarantino relied on such cheap thrills and suspense. A canister of mace held right next to someone's eyeball will make anyone cringe. A snake jumping out at you from nowhere will make anyone jump (the whole audience did). . . things like that are "easy".

Something like Hitchcock making a glass of milk or a child's doll into ominous suspenseful things. . . that's hard.

>and seriously friday, what were you expecting?

The best film in the last 30s years. LOL.

  

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153. "RE: what did you like about vol 1..."
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See I sort of agree with you. But the main difference is I think everything he did was effective. Basically I think it worked you don't. To me there is nothing wrong with what he did. Because for him to use cliches is very unexpected. I expect him to try and avoid them not utilize them, which in my opinion he did very well. just my 2cents

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154. "more black and white! more subtitles!!"
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fair enough Kentucky_Friday (I can't believe it took me a year to think of that)

I didn't love it enough to debate over it but I did enjoy the hell out of it. But judging from the reaction to this movie in here, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to call you a snob and so on...lol

spoiler

and sure we've seen the "buried alive" thing a hundred times. sure we knew she would escape, but it doesn't change the fact that while she was being buried I felt claustrophobic as hell. a large screen and state of the art sound helps but still...

  

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179. "Did y'all have monster sound in your theater cuz...."
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... that buried alive scene had amazing sound. The dirt showering around you and all that.

ill.
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219. "yep"
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saw it a new Pacific Theater they just built near me.

>... that buried alive scene had amazing sound. The dirt
>showering around you and all that.

eggzactly

  

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155. "King Friday didn't like it?!"
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who would've thought
lol

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157. "fuck a message"
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and if there was a message it was more about how revenge isn't so simple. Kill Bill is pure cinema.
And yeah he uses cliches, every director does really, but he makes them work so incredibly well. Things that youve seen hundreds of time have the life jolted back into them by QT.

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158. "Nobody that King Friday likes uses cliches."
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DUH.

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151. "I just watched both HOLY SHIT they're good"
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The second one really makes the first one better for repeat viewings. You have much more insight into *Bleep*'s character.

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152. "Any Suggestions?"
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i'm beginning to think that i'm the only one on the planet that doesn't LOVE these movies... i saw the first one and didn't like it. is vol.2 different enought that i should give it a chance?

  

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180. "no, the film's bullshit..."
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If you didn't like the first one then there is little way you'll like the second. I would say wait for the dvd of vol. 2 but I would considered it agonizing to try and sit through this film when I know I could get up and leave without ditching my friends.

Mech

  

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234. "RE: no, the film's bullshit..."
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damn, and i was beginning to think i was the only one on earth not feeling this shit.

  

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236. "don't worry, I got all sort of hate for this film..."
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see below.

Mech

  

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159. "how much of rza's music on this one?"
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Security wouldn't let me finish the credits to see the music credits. I've already posted my complaints with the theater owners.

  

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161. "they can get fined for that"
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there are actually people paid to make sure theatres show the credits. Anyways not much original RZA stuff from what I could tell.

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176. "the pai mei training"
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music is probably RZA.

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177. "But he did produce all of it"
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On another note, the bit from "Shogun Assassin" reminded me instantly of GZA.

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295. "how about they fine the studio for false-advertising"
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I bet RZA has about as much actual involvement with this as Jesus had with The Passion

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310. "RE: Guys,"
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He did the score.

Get over it.

Damn.

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268. "Here are TWO"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0378194/soundtrack



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163. "*bends over, pulls cheeks apart, takes a huge shit over"
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man im so amped to see this movie...

its released in a week and a half over here in the UK and all you guys are making me piss my pants with excitement, EFF YOU !

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164. ""quinten tarantino..."
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...is running this movie shit"


  

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192. "And you ruined his name"
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____________________

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167. "question regarding trix cereal"
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in vol I:
"silly rab"B-I"t, "TRIX" are for "KIDS"

in vol II:
the trix cereal box in the hotel at the end.

hmm.

i thought little b.b. was gonna pull a gun out the cereal box ha.

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169. "Spoiler"
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Remember her name: BeaTRIX.

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193. "duh lol"
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i know, thats why i spelled it like that "B-I"t, "TRIX"

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187. "that was Lucky Charms"
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in the hotel room.

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168. "Simply Fucking Amazing!"
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I liked Vol. I a lot, mostly due to my love of martial arts films and anime. Vol II is ten time better than the first, due to the fact that it is simply fucking amazing.

Quentin Tarantino is probably the only director who can elevate the campy and the derivitive not only to a good time, not only to high art, not only to tongue-in-cheek humor, but to one of the definitive films of our generation.

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170. "RE: Simply Fucking Amazing!"
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>>>. Vol II is ten time better than the first,

No it isnt..I cant take this anymore. The House Of Blue Leaves battle with Oren with Santa Esmerelda playing is more style and grace that all of Vol II. Its great he put it in vol 1 and not some big bang endup and used the quiet power for Vol 1. But Vol 1 is clearly the winner. I dont know where yall comin from. The set up for Vol 2 by Vol 1 was so perfect, Vol 2 ya kept waiting for these bigger pay offs. Not neccessarily more carnage or over the top hijinks but it lifted the bar so fuckin high.....for instance I expected more from the Pei Mei section. He had her bang he rhand and carry water buckets up stairs..come the fuck on. The Hanzo buit form Vol 1 while shorter than Pei Mei had more effect to it..that's what I expected. I know Pei scenes had to have tyat chop socky attidue to the sceens but still. And The Bride showed more emotion or nmore believable in the scene after she sliced Orens fo'head and limped to the stone seat rather than the mommy scenes in V2. This movie will work better as a cohesive whole single film. V2 was nothing but denoument. The spagheetti western elements was great yes but not as great as I was expecting. Maybe I got too hyped ...it fo damn sho was not ten times better than V1. Fuck that.

  

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172. "RE: Simply Fucking Amazing!"
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>>>>. Vol II is ten time better than the first,
>
>No it isnt..I cant take this anymore. The House Of Blue
>Leaves battle with Oren with Santa Esmerelda playing is
>more style and grace that all of Vol II. Its great he put
>it in vol 1 and not some big bang endup and used the quiet
>power for Vol 1. But Vol 1 is clearly the winner. I dont
>know where yall comin from. The set up for Vol 2 by Vol 1
>was so perfect, Vol 2 ya kept waiting for these bigger pay
>offs. Not neccessarily more carnage or over the top
>hijinks but it lifted the bar so fuckin high.....for
>instance I expected more from the Pei Mei section. He had
>her bang he rhand and carry water buckets up stairs..come
>the fuck on. The Hanzo buit form Vol 1 while shorter than
>Pei Mei had more effect to it..that's what I expected. I
>know Pei scenes had to have tyat chop socky attidue to the
>sceens but still. And The Bride showed more emotion or nmore
>believable in the scene after she sliced Orens fo'head and
>limped to the stone seat rather than the mommy scenes in V2.
>This movie will work better as a cohesive whole single film.
>V2 was nothing but denoument. The spagheetti western
>elements was great yes but not as great as I was expecting.
>Maybe I got too hyped ...it fo damn sho was not ten times
>better than V1. Fuck that.

I take back what I said...it is Vol 1'a doppleganger. Thank god for the soundtrak to make me realize this.

  

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173. "Vol. II is on another level"
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Like I said, Volume I is really good. But if II came from a similar place, it would have just been redundant. Tarantino let's us know early on that this is a very different movie. He starts the first with a martial arts showdown, and the second with a western, dialogue driven confrontation (notice how Bill and the Bride slowly advance on each other during their first appearnce together). He even pokes fun at the original ("They just called themselves the crazy 88." "Why?" "I don't know, I guess they thought it sounded cool.")

Volume II is an evolution: more story, more character, more drama. It would not work without I, but it is infinitely more fulfilling.

But that's just my opinion, and I can see how some folks could feel either one more than the other, as they are so different in so many ways.

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174. "Saw it again"
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and I will see it again. God it's good.

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175. "extended theatrical release to premier at Cannes"
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http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/article.aspx?news=155424

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185. "more details + DVD news"
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Filmmaker Quentin Tarantino has some major plans for his latest opus, Kill Bill . While promoting the second volume of the series, opening theatrically on April 16th, Tarantino revealed that he plans to recut both films together for a special theatrical release later in the year. "We did a special version for Japan that's only been shown in Japan and Hong Kong, and I kept the rights to that," Tarantino said. "I'll put the Japanese version together like I would if it was one complete movie, and then I'll release that throughout America and Europe in arthouse engagements."

Tarantino also promises more extensive DVD plans for the revenge films. "I'm going to do a special collector's edition of both of them once I'm finished with both of them," he said. Also in the talking phase, Tarantino is considering the possibility of releasing stand-alone supplemental discs. "One of the things that I saw that I liked... was what the American Pie guys did with their 'Beneath the Crust' documentaries. I want to do the same thing ." Thanks to Tom for the scoop.

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178. "great"
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really great movie. i was digging everything about the film and was totally loving it!

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181. "Question #1"
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Why would Pei Mei teach her the five finger whatever palm technique when she hadn't mastered the three inch punch?

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182. "she must have eventually"
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and pai mei thought she was better than Bill in the end.vIt's to be assumed that flashback was just of the beginning of her training.

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188. "was it revealed how long she was there?"
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I assume it was awhile since Bill said don't talk back for a year but for all we know, she could have been there for a couple of months, fucked Pei Mei and got him to reveal his secrets while sucking his dick.

I still don't understand why she would be taught the most advanced technique when she couldn't handle what the film defined as basic training of with Pei Mei.

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194. "answer"
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she did master the one inch punch obviously
it just wasn't shown onscreen
the pai mei scene is longer in the script. i'm not sure if they shot a longer version and trimmed it or just shot a shorter version

one of my beefs with the film is that sequence could've been longer to better establish the progression of her skills and his warming up to her

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198. "RE: answer"
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you mean because she couldn't punch through the coffin with one punch as Pai Mei did, she didn't master the three inch punch? That might be true, which would beg your question- why did he teach her the five finger exploding palm?

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226. "yeah, that's what I meant."
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My bad if I didn't make that clear.

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208. "nah"
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that would have diverted too much from the plot and would have made it less surprising that she knew the exploding heart technique.

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227. "but their practically center pieces in Shaw Brother fil"
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The training sequences show the determination, or comical lack there of, of the main character and show the physical abilities of the actors. Obviously Thurman's not going to live up to the latter but showing her running up some stairs with water and her punching a board are weak and not nearly the most creative thing he could have "borrowed". Wires and special effects could have made up for her weakness but maybe there will be more of that in the recut. There has to be some growth shown in the training sequences and all Tarentino offers is her punching the board harder and her learning the forms; again, it doesn't begin to live up to the originals.

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233. "it didn't need much more"
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just a little

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243. "maybe"
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a scene where she finally leaves on friendly terms with him, which would given her even more reason to punish Elle for killing him. I don't think more training scenes are necesary, we get the point.

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183. "Question #2"
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Why didn't she bother to get her boots, another pair of shoes, steal a car or at least keep on her socks?

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186. "she couldnt afford"
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to waste the time to do that, plus shes badass.

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189. "too badass for footware?"
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She didn't have time to go back to her car but she had time to get walking directions back to his trailer?

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199. "Tarrantino has a foor fetish."
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203. "If you're going to ask that..."
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then where did she get the clothes she had on when she went to kill Bill? She had on that 2-piece skirt set and her hair was cut differently too, like she just got it done.

Also, when she had on that little tank top at Bill's place, why didn't I see any bruising from the rock salt she got blasted with? Her chests looked pretty fucked up when she first got hit.

But anyway, there were alot of inconsistencies in the film so I'm not going to bother listing them all. If I did, I would be here all afternoon.

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212. "we don't know"
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how long ago that was after the incident with Budd and Elle. Could have been months later.

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217. "it would have been nice if a sense of time was applied."
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I mean, she's so pissed off she takes off her socks and crosses the desert barefoot but she can take the time to get a hair cut and complete, and impractical, outfit change on her way to kill her mortal enemy and retrieve her daughter? If she did wait several months then that doesn't hold to the passion Tarentino wants us to think his character is driven buy.

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220. "they didn't tell her where he was"
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she had to find that out, probably took awhile.

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218. "Stupid questions"
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The point of this movie is that it exists within film reality, not reality itself. Especially in westerns, kung-fu flicks, 70's american action movies, style is everything. Kill Bill's reality is style. You might as well ask who Uma Thurman is talking to when she's narrating into the camera in her car at the beginning.

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221. "yup"
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but people need to find something to justify their irrational hatred of his films.

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222. "dude, you don't know anything..."
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It's ignorant to claim that the films Tarentino "borrows" from are all about style. You can't say that about The 36th Chamber, Once Upon A Time In the West, Yojimbo, Death Wish or a whole ton of other films that define the genres referenced in these films.

I don't know who brain washed you but the last time I checked good films are concerned with continuity and the passing of time. Good films don't get excessively hung up on their lead actresses hair or feet. Obviously, Kill Bill is supposed to "mean" something or else the daughter wouldn't have played such a prominent role or Bill wouldn't have delivered a monologue describing Kiddo. Nope, this film isn't just about style, Tarentino goes for more and falls flat on his face.

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224. "lol"
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>good films are concerned with continuity and the passing of >time

Do you think Wong Kar-Wai makes good films?

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228. "fair enough..."
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I should have clarified good films are worried about avoiding glaring continuity errors but at the same time Wong Kar-Wei probably didn't have x amount of years to create most of his productions. Tarentino had considerable amounts of time to make this film a lot tighter. But, I'll wait for the recut considering Tarentino only spent a few months editing both volumes.

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241. "Kar-Wai does it on purpose"
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it's a deliberate part of his style. A lot of New Wave films do it as well.

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248. "do you mean the way its structured?"
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Like with broken time or something?

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242. "RE: fair enough..."
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>I should have clarified good films are worried about
>avoiding glaring continuity errors but at the same time Wong
>Kar-Wei probably didn't have x amount of years to create
>most of his productions. Tarentino had considerable amounts
>of time to make this film a lot tighter. But, I'll wait for
>the recut considering Tarentino only spent a few months
>editing both volumes.
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>Mech

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225. "You miss the point entirely"
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First of all, those movies, while great, don't operate within the confines of reality. You mention Yojimbo, well think back to the dog carrying the hand in his mouth. To say it's all about style does not mean to say that these films have nothing to say. You simply have to acknowledge that Tarantino is embracing a tradition of films creating the reality in which they work, shying away from either a documentary or theatrical approach and letting cinema be cinema.

You reinforce my point when you talk about Kill Bill meaning something. Meaning is important, but the meaning is not based in mundane specifics like whether or not Uma could have gotten a pair of boots. A film can mean something really interesting and be visually and stylistucally boring. This will cause the film to fail.

So why doesn't Uma get shoes? Because it looks really cool to have someone step on an eyeball barefooted, which reinforces the taking of the eye, the extent of the Bride's vengeance and wrath, and the connection to her master, Pai Mei, responsible for snatching Elle's first eye, who died by Elle's hands.

So yeah, I do know something.

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229. "why not create a reason for her to be barefoot?"
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Like in Who Am I, we see Chan lose his shoes which leads to hilarity and creativity for a fight scene. What if Leon had said, "I want Eastwood to look all shitty so I'm going to have him cross the desert, I won't bother explaining to the audience why". It's fine if you want to put something in the film, make it make sense, every other great action director does so I don't see why Tarentino should be excused especially when he says he loves these films and wants to pay tribute to them.

And there are great films that aren't visually or stylistically interesting, Adaptation or Love Jones are two.

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235. "There was a reason"
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She had to take her boots off to get out of the coffin. And as far as some good movies not being visually interesting, it seems to me that you look at things too narrowly. People have different styles, and experiment in different ways. Tarantino's way is to abandon realism and embrace cinematics. And it works very well.

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237. "what does embrace cinematics mean?"
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You said he "abandon realism and embrace cinematics" so explain what you mean.

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247. "I need to end this conversation"
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Everytime I make a point, you skip over the actual arguments and nitpick at certain statements. Since you are either acknowledging that I'm right or not wanting to debate the issue anymore, I think it's time we part ways. Peace.

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249. "let it go on"
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soon he'll be saying pai mei's beard was 1.3 inches too short to be an actual Shaw brothers homage.

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250. "fine, have it your way..."
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I didn't want to harp on the "feet" thing so I didn't explain that I don't understand why she bothered to take off her socks.

Your argument in the last post hinged on whatever "abandon realism and embrace cinematics" means, so I'm not going to argue with something I don't understand. That's why I asked you to explain it.

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299. ""Reality" is created by filmakers"
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There's no way to put reality onto a movie screen, if there was, we wouldn't be watching it. Each film constructs it's own "reality" (fantasy world would be better) that's different from film to film. We expect a certain KIND of realism when watching a war movie like Saving Private Ryan, but expect something different when watching a Zombie Horror film.

I think the point the guy's trying to make is that what makes sense in our world doesn't apply to Kill Bill, because the game has different rules. I mean, we're talking about wire-assisted stunts here, can't focus on the shoes and not that too.

When I watch a film that centres around fantasy-type action, or improbable situations (sci-fi, fantasy) I don't get caught up in what's "realistic" or not, because that means I'm not gonna enjoy the movie.

  

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184. "Question #3"
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Why did Tarentino upgrade from a foot fetish in vol 1. to a bloody foot fetish in vol 2?

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254. "Oh, Jesus H. Christ."
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This (and the other two "questions") is nothing more than pussified nitpicking, done only to draw attention to itself. There's always one in the bunch, I swear.

Were you even watching the movies? Or were you too busy pouting at the screen, *arms folded (literally and/or figuratively)*, seaching desperately for something to hate or "question?"

Oh, wait! I already know the answer, since all I have to do is reference post #5, which belongs to you and has the optimistic subject heading, "I'm sharpening my hater blade." Talk about premeditated.

(Didn't I tell you motherfuckers to step your movie game up? And anyone who chimes in and says that these are "good questions" is full of steaming hot monkey shit.)

"I demand that the movies at least have a sense of time and continuity."

Get.
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258. "a bad film is a bad film..."
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I knew I was going to hate it before I saw it but I see pretty much every major action film that gets a lot of word of mouth whether I'm excited about it or not; but, regardless of whether or not I expect to dislike it, I'm always prepared to be pleasently surprised. For example, as I mentioned above, I thought Carradine's performance was pretty good even though I hate Carradine as a person and I've always thought him to be mad shady when it comes to his claims that Bruce Lee had nothing to do with the creation of Kung-Fu.

The first movie was complete ass so it stood to reason that the second would be as well. Instead of being an ass yourself, maybe you should expect that some people hate this film and either argue why you think it's good or just shut the fuck up and say, "Hey, it's their loss". If you want to join Tarentino's jerk circle, I ain't going to try and stop you but I'm not going to quit shitting on a bad film just because some fag busted a nut underneath his bucket of popcorn.

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261. "i dunno"
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>>The first movie was complete ass

just for the look of defeat (she knew she was gonna lose when she got cut in the leg) on lucy lui's face ALONE made this movie very emotional to me-- she hadnt made that face since her parents were murdered.

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191. "MY question 1"
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why did they beep her name out at first and in vol.1?

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196. "The Bride with No Name"
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n/m

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215. "because Tarentino isn't clever..."
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He wants you to pay attention to her not being given a name instead of just letting the audience realize later on that she didn't have a name like in Sergio Leon's Man With No Name trilogy.

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197. "HUGE Kill Bill question"
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I'm not sure, but I think Tarantino really screwed up with the continuity of the massacre at two pines scene.

Now, in all the flashbacks in the first movie, we were given the impression that the Viper Squad didn't just gun everyone down, they also wooped Uma's ass good before Bill shot her. This is NOT implied at the beginning of vol. 2.

Also, it is me, or did vol. 1 imply that Sophie was at the chapel when Uma got beat down? They definitely show her in a flashback, kicking the sheeit out of Uma before talking on a cell phone. But in vol. 2 she is nowhere to be seen.

Maybe this is picky, but for two movies that were originally to have been one, the continuity seems a little flimsy.

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200. "RE: HUGE Kill Bill question"
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>I'm not sure, but I think Tarantino really screwed up with
>the continuity of the massacre at two pines scene.
>
>Now, in all the flashbacks in the first movie, we were given
>the impression that the Viper Squad didn't just gun everyone
>down, they also wooped Uma's ass good before Bill shot her.
>This is NOT implied at the beginning of vol. 2.
>
>Also, it is me, or did vol. 1 imply that Sophie was at the
>chapel when Uma got beat down? They definitely show her in a
>flashback, kicking the sheeit out of Uma before talking on a
>cell phone. But in vol. 2 she is nowhere to be seen.
>
>Maybe this is picky, but for two movies that were originally
>to have been one, the continuity seems a little flimsy.
>
>1Love,
>Shuggy


Two things.
1. Since we don't see the massacre at two pines, we don't know what went down (other than in flashback form from the 1st film). So they could've shot everyone else and then dealt w/ the Bride

2. He isn't big on continuity (see Pulp Fiction for this)

I'm thnking it is more of the former

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204. "right...kind of"
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Yeah, you're right, but I also have to go with the bad continuity thing, cause the part about Sophie just doesn't hold water.

It's irritating, because if you go out of your way to screw with continuity, the least you could do is be sure you got it all right.

Otherwise it just seems kind of like a half-assed gimmick.

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205. "I don't see why the Sophie thing doesn't hold"
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because the only time we see her in the flashback is when the bride is lying on the ground already badly beaten
who knows how long they were there
i'd figure sophie wouldn't show up for the killing. or at least, i don't have a problem with her not being there
since she isn't a killer


it's not airtight, but it didn't bother me all that much
now if one of the vipers didn't show up...that'd be a problem

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206. "nuh-ugh"
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She's one of the people that kicks the hell out of Uma.

So unless they beat her up for a looong time, then she showed up and joined in the beating, and THEN Bill shoots her.

It seems shakey.

At least, I think it was a part that wasn't very well thought out.


  

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209. "she didn't beat on Uma"
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The bride was pissed that she was standing there laughing on the phone.
She probably drove them there.

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213. "I don't think so"
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I'll rent it again, but I clearly remember o girl karate kicking Uma first.

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231. "she doesn't touch her"
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at all

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278. "no, sophie didnt do a thing"
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u notice she wasnt on the list????

she was chillin on the phone chuckling and shit, i wouldnt have appreciated that either, shes only missing her arm, so...i think she would have to be missing a helluva lot more then that to keep her life

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214. "I don't understand why that whole scene wasn't longer.."
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Tarentino obviously has a pension for torture sequences, something common to spaghetti westerns, so why not show a torture seen in the film's most critical flashback? I expected it to be something pretty fucked up when you got a gang kicking the shit out of one of their own and just treating it like another job. I also expected to see something more from vivaca fox since her character obviously had the same dreams as uma.

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223. "I explain that"
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Tarantino has a thing for not showing the main event that triggers the whole movie. In Pulp Fiction, the whole second half of the movie is centered around how Bruce Willis killed a guy in a boxing match. You see everything before and after it, but you don't see the match. In Reservoir Dogs, the movie is all about a big jewelry store heist, but you never see the heist. So it figures that the biggest event for Kill Bill, the asswhooping of the Bride, wouldn't be shown.


  

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232. "zing!"
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thank you

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238. "eh..."
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That might stand to reason if he didn't show such a huge chunk of the event already.

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230. "how do you know she is one of the people"
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who kicks uma's ass

she's just there as she is always wherever O-ren is

she just answers her cellphone

that's all you see
she's not one of the DIVAS. She's not a fighter
she doesn't have personal beef w/ Uma

so what makes you think she did anything?
she was jus there. that's why she is allowed to live in the first one

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240. "if she touched her"
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she would have been on the list.

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244. "correctamundo"
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n/m

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262. "she probably drove them there"
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she was parking haha

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273. "exactly what i said"
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http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=18719&forum=concert&omm=209&viewmode=threaded

probably took her awhile to walk to the church after parking it outside of that wide shot.

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255. "wanna talk nitpicking?"
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(I loved the movie btw)

in the scene where elle pulls up to budd's trailer, we first see the worms eye perspective of her carrying the case with the money in her left hand

then when we see the same scene replayed from the bride's perspective long distance, she's holding it in her right hand

but whatever

also, someone asked the question above that didn't really get answered: why did he bleep out her name early on in vol. 2, but then later in the same movie, reveal it ? why bleep it out at all in the beginning? (maybe it has something to do with the overall continuity, I dunno)

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263. "cause"
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Tarantino is just fucking with the audience. Trying to add mystery a la "What's in the briefcase"?

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264. "she's carrying it in the same hand both times"
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looked for it yesterday on viewing #2

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265. "Probably......"
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beacuse it was shot as one movie.....

  

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202. "I was disappointed"
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The movie started off too slow and DID NOT have as much action as the first. I was glad they cut out the fake blood splattering scenes from the first movie, but Vol. 2 was still disappointing.

I don't know what the rest of you went to see to say it was "awesome, brilliant, fucking dope" and the rest of the shit you're saying, but it was *OK* to me.

Yeah, I agree the best part was probably when Uma was in training, but I thought there would be more action when she finally went to Kill Bill, especially considering how she fucked up the others in Vol. 1.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

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207. "Legendary Kung Fu Flicks"
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Is Kill Bill gonna go down as a "legendary"?


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216. "I hope not..."
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Cause it's got some bullshit martial arts.

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239. "For everyone who disliked this film"
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Or are unsure about it I reccomend go see it again. I liked it a lot the first time I saw it, but I went again today so I could watch it without being distracted and I loved it. A couple of things I liked:

1. Uma was terriffic in this one. Just look at her face in the opening wedding scene. No dialouge could substitute for that expression.

2. The conversations in this movie were allowed to go their full length like in real life. Like the conversation about the fish at the end. It pans out just like a real conversation and gives a nice parallel to the wedding scene.

3. The character development was nice in this one. Everyone wasn't just a blood thirsty killer in this one (even though that is their profession). Everyone had some depth and you saw how the wedding scene affected everyone.

4. The movie moved much faster and I enjoyed every minute of it much more. Also of course nothing is going to beat the fight scene at the blue leaves club but the fight with Elle was the best fight between the Vipers imo (by vipers I'm reffering to just Bud, O-ren, Vernita, and Elle). And I thought the final fight was anti-climactic the first time but this time I really enjoyed how it went down.

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245. "stay AFTER the credits for one last out take...."
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246. "Hitori Sword question (spoiler)"
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if they are so dope, how was bill able to break her's?
his shit must be super dope!

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251. "he didn't"
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he just knocked it out of her hands and onto the floor.

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252. "RE: stay AFTER the credits for one last out take...."
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ahhh i didnt stay after...

what happened?

  

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253. "It wasn't worth it in my opinion"
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The credits were sooo long and all it was was an outtake of Uma plucking the guys eye out at HOBL.

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259. "RE: It wasn't worth it in my opinion"
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yeah i waited for like an hour it was a little anti climactic.....the movie however was absolutely amazing i'm officially kill bill obsessed(goes to watch vol.1).

  

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257. "The Golden Stallion (1949)"
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http://imdb.com/title/tt0041420/

Is the film playing on Bill's TV.

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266. "Would Kill Bill have worked as one movie?"
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When I first heard that they had cut the film in two (before Vol. 1 was released), I thought it sucked that they didn't just keep it together. But after seeing Vol. 2, I don't know that I would have enjoyed it as much as I did if it were at the back end of the footage from Vol. 1, especially since the pace is slowed down so much.

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274. "yes"
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But only with serious re-formatting.

The whole bloody scene in Japan would have had to happen later in the movie, in fact just before she goes to get bill.

As in, first she kills Vivica, then Madsen and Darryl Hannah, THEN Luicy Lui, then Bill.

Also, they'd have to cut Uma's opening monelogue for vol. 2.

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275. "RE: yes"
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>But only with serious re-formatting.
>
>The whole bloody scene in Japan would have had to happen
>later in the movie, in fact just before she goes to get
>bill.
>
>As in, first she kills Vivica, then Madsen and Darryl
>Hannah, THEN Luicy Lui, then Bill.

Cant be like that..she had to get to Oren first because thats how she found out where everyone else was..by getting the info from Sophie, part of Orens crew.

  

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283. "NO....they move at different paces. n/m"
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284. "That's what I'm saying"
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Maybe if the second one was the faster film, but still. The styles are very different, too.

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267. "I can't believe I actually like it BETTER than the FIR"
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I THOROUGHLY enjoyed it..can't wait to see it AGAIN!!
saw it here while in London..at 10£ thats equal to $20 USD...and I STILL feel it was worht it. Got a free poster too!

That movie kicked more ass than a little bit.
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269. "Hanzo question"
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Maybe I should have figured this out on my own, but what exactly is the issue between Bill and Hanzo, and what did Bill do to make him so mad that he would make another sword for killing?

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272. "never fully explained"
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just like the feud between Budd and Bill never is. I assume Hanzo disaproves of Bill being an evil bastard and using his sword to murder people.

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270. "WOW"
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i can't say anything about the film anymore than what's already been said. i loved every fucking minute of it and tarantino is (imo)a cinematic genius. i can't wait for the dvd.

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271. "So am I sick?"
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I'm watching volume one and think Gogo is sexy as hell when she stabs the dude after she asks him if he wants to screw her. When I go over there next year, I'm all about bringing a Gogo lookalike back with me.
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279. "She's hot anyway"
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Luckily she's born the same year I was (because now I have a chance).

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276. "EVERYONE READ THIS NOW!!"
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280. "I already bought Volume I"
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So he'd better sell a separate dvd of Volume II. Anyway, I tend to agree with Scorcese about Director's Cuts.

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281. "He's done it again!"
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I've seen every Tarantino movie and have yet to be disappointed. This movie was great. The Pei Mei seen was classic. His humor is evident even in subtitles and Cantonese. The fight scene between The Bride and Elle Driver was also classic. I can't say enough about Mr. Tarantino. I'm waiting for his next movie!

Did he just did this?

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285. "RE: the official KILL BILL VOL. 2 post"
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I gotta say it's one of the best movies I have Seen for a while,
great ending. Tarantino is a multitalented director.

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286. "The Superman Monologue"
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or so it says . .

still haven't seen it, but here's the quotes from imdb.com

Bill: Clark Kent was Superman's take on the human race.

Bill: Superman stands alone. Superman did not become Superman, Superman was born Superman. When Superman wakes up in the morning, he is Superman. His alter ego is Clark Kent. His outfit with the big red S is the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby when the Kents found him. Those are his clothes. What Kent wears, the glasses the business suit, that's the costume. That's the costume Superman wears to blend in with us. Clark Kent is how Superman views us. And what are the characteristics of Clark Kent? He's weak, unsure of himself... he's a coward. Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race-

  

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287. "I know I've heard this theory before but I can't rememb"
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Anyone have any ideas?

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288. "according to Elvis Mitchell of the NY Times"
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"a Superman soliloquy lifted, in part, from Jules Feiffer's book 'The Great Comic Book Heroes,' which also summarizes the director's ideas about character."

  

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289. "I could write that shit"
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I can't believe this post

how can you not notice that it's pathetic rubbish?

maybe it's the fucking Prufrock of martial arts movies, but really now

I equate this nonsense with Jackass

and I hope this doesn't start a trend of splitting films in two and making twice as much money

plus dvds for each volume
directors cut for each volume
box set
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reissue of original cuts
sequel 20 years down the line

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290. "Maybe, but you didn't"
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So sorry

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294. "obviously only a big-name director could get away with"
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see, Pulp Fiction as an amateur script would still garner attention

this self-undulgent nonsense would not

I think Tarantino is cashing in on the Jackassesque "dumb entertainment" that's been sweeping America since, well since after Jackie Brown

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291. "If you thought it was garbage"
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Why would it bother you that the DVDs are split?

I hated the Matrix, so you won't see me bitching about it's splitting into 2 movies.

Furthermore - this shit (splitting between 2) has been being done for a few years now, so...Kill Bill definitely didn't start it.

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293. "did you not read the part of my post that said"
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"I hope this doesn't start a trend"

rest assured I wont be buying Kill Bill

>Why would it bother you that the DVDs are split?
>
>I hated the Matrix, so you won't see me bitching about it's
>splitting into 2 movies.
>
>Furthermore - this shit (splitting between 2) has been being
>done for a few years now, so...Kill Bill definitely didn't
>start it.

really? what else did it?

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302. "prove it to us"
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307. "I hear crickets n/m"
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292. "I loved it. My friends all said it sucked!!!"
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i can't watch movies with my friends. i hate them for it. we watch one of the greatest cinematic achievements of the last few decades, and all they say it "it was too long. it didnt have enough action".

what the fuck is that all about. this was not considerably better than the vol. 1, but the character development and made the movie.

had you not seen vol. 1, would you think there wasn't enough action? hell no! you'd be like, "wow, that had a shitload of action"

anyway, i loved it. i liked it better than the first, and though the ending was somewhat anti-climactic, i loved the ending (last 20 mins).

i think it was a better "film" than vol. 1, simply for the character development and dialogue. both vol's are now in my top 20 of all time, possiblr top 15 or 10.

i loved how in vol 2, they really let the characters be human beings. in the first, it was death death death, bitch this, bitch that, death death death. that was amazing, as not to take anything away from vol 1. but vol 2 had such a great story going, and the characters really felt 'real,' even as they were doing their thing.


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304. "RE: I loved it. My friends all said it sucked!!!"
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how old are you and your friends if you dont mind?

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305. "18"
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i dont mind. but i see where this is going.

if im wrong forgive me, but in my eyes, my friends went to see kill bill vol.1 part 2. as weird as it sounds, kill bill vol 2 was not kill bill vol 1, part 2. they wanted ot see the heads being sliced off and the blood shooting out like a fountain for no apparent reason. instead, they got an emotional movie with great acting, directing and cinematography, with an aweosme twist ending.


(spoiler)
though the ending being somewhat predictable in the sense that the bride finds her daughter. no one expected the shit that she did with her daughter and what becomes of bill.

i thought this was the most incredible cineamtic experience in 10 years, the last being shawshank in 94. i would be hard pressed to find a better overall "action" flick in recent history.

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306. "bewsides, my friends are idiots when it comes to film"
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they thought school of rock was the 'best movie ever'.

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296. "saw it for the SECOND time yesterday. n/m"
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297. "during the schoolhouse name revealing of the bride"
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I swear one of the students names was <something> Whorehouse. Did anyone catch another interesting name before that one?


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298. "and the prostitute's(?) disfigured lips"
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Was there any implied cause of her deformity?

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300. "RE: and the prostitute's(?) disfigured lips"
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yeah he said just before that that he would not have killed her or shot her in the head if she had betrayed him he would have cut her face and then he whistled for old girl to come do something and her face was cut horribly worse than i know i would have imagined him doing when he made the statement i thought he meant something that would mark her face not disfigure her.

  

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313. "any 1 notice"
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that the pimp (Esteban Vihaio) in vol.2 is the sheriff (Earl McGraw) in vol.1??

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301. "anyone notice...."
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...Kiddo didnt actually kill anyone with her Hanzo in the second film!


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309. "That's because vol. II is a western"
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Think about it: the first person she tries to kill with the sword in vol. II, Bud, shoots her with a shotgun.

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311. "thats because"
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she only killed one person in this film (bill)

  

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303. "A truly magnificient film"
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I loved it. I can't waitto watch it consecutively

  

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308. "ANCHOR"
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don't let me intervene or interrupt

  

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314. "i think we can request a move for archive now, no?"
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316. "the question no one's asking..."
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and the reason i didn't particularly care for KB-1, which i JUST saw b/c my wife borrowed it from her friend...WHY DO WE CARE? the bride is clearly an assassin, who has probably killed tons of people for money. now that she gets almost killed and loses her baby (and wedding party), she becomes a sympathetic character? so, if freddy krueger hung up the glove and was going to get hitched, I'm supposed to root for him to get revenge if somebody tries to kill him at his wedding?

I thought the first rule for revenge films was to set up sympathy for the hero...

and a few more things about kill bill 1 (SPOILERS COMING for the folks who never saw the first kill bill)...



she was in a coma for four years, then she wakes up in fine enough fighting form to tear some guy's lip off (which inexplicably causes him to lose consciousness or die) then beat someone to death with a door? wouldn't all of her muscles be atrophied?

bill is cool with having a gang of assassins jump a pregnant woman, kill a bunch of unarmed people, shoot said pregnant woman in head, but feels it would be "unfair" to kill her while she's in a coma? wtf??!

four years in coma + one month of training to get back in physical shape and she can kill 30+ assassins ALONE in a swordfight, even as she is losing blood profusely from her prior battle with the underage assassin in the pleated dress?

dude took suspension of disbelief to the fucking extreme...she didn't even start BREATHING HARD after killing all those guys...come on now...i actually cut this off, did something else, and came back, then cut it off again. ha.

also, the swordmaker trained bill. why would he feel obligated to work a month to manufacture a sword (for free, mind you) for a woman to kill bill? what, he feels guilty b/c bill grew up to be an assassin so now he wants to help a former assassin assassinate him? eh?
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317. "he thought this was his Importance of Being Ernest"
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all surface

except without the wit, or the stuff beneath the surface

really it's just self-indulgent, inconsistent and whimsical... and if you point that out people will just scream "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE"

btw, this might be a small spoiler if you haven't seen vol 2, but did anyone else think after watching Volume 1 that she was marrying BILL? Was I the only one under this impression?

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318. "i kneew she wasn't marrying bill..."
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>btw, this might be a small spoiler if you haven't seen vol
>2, but did anyone else think after watching Volume 1 that
>she was marrying BILL? Was I the only one under this
>impression?

i assumed she was marrying someone else because of the its your baby line. if she was marrying bill, why would she just then be telling him it was his baby? also when talking to vivica about getting even ("just about square") she mentioned killing her husband, thus implying that the DVAS killed her own husband. also when the sheriff comes to investigate the murder scene, his son mentions that the groom was killed...

  

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319. "I guess I just had it in my head at the start"
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when Bill says "this is me at my most masochistic" I thought Tarantino was trying to pull of the ultimate act of masochism by having a character brutally murder his bride (or attempt to), which is really quite dark and warped

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