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Ryan M
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"I have to write an analysis paper on Goodfellas."


  

          

Regarding it as a genre film.

Analyzing it both textually and contextually. I've got a bunch of books sitting next to me....Dreams and Dead Ends, Scorsese on Scorsese, Crime Films, Easy Riders Raging Bulls...Goodfellas on the DVD player, and I think I'm actually going to enjoy writing my last college paper.

The topic is:

How does Goodfellas follow the conventions of the crime genre film? How does it break them?

Anyone got any tips for me before I dip into everything?

(Yeah, I do my own work...just looking for any references/viewpoints you guys may have before I start).

I'm thinking I'm going to touch on the following:

- Post-Godfather crime film
- Iconography of Goodfellas
- Freeze-frames, multiple voiceovers, etc.
- The rules/politics of the crime family in film

Etc, etc.

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Take a look at the insults the detectives throw at the Goodfellas...
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you lucky bastard
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you are so lucky....
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dope assignment
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I was actually going to say the same thing
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      also
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the renegade style of the Goodfellas
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RE: the renegade style of the Goodfellas
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      should be the turning point for the viewer
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           could the same be said about billy bats?
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                yeah I agree, the Bats murder was the turning point for the crew
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PTP is the shit. Thanks guys....
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**wraps phone cord around your neck**
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      always fucking late
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Scorcese's use of popular music
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read the book the movie was based on
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DRAFT 1....
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you didn't say much about the violence...
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I'm writing a similar paper right now
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Mr Mech
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1. "Take a look at the insults the detectives throw at the Goodfellas..."
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Scorsese seemed to be saying something about how the characters were outdated in some respect. One of the detectives says something about their suits.

After they get out of jail, there's a real turning point in the film in it's portrayel of history particularly how coke gets involved in the game. Personally, I think the tone of the film really changes when DiNiro tries to kill the wife.

Sorry I can't include character names, it's been a minute since I've seen the film.

Mech

  

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2. "you lucky bastard"
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but i got to write a paper on 'pulp fiction' in college. loved it.

i can't think of a crime film pre-dating goodfellas that really explores the life of a mafia wife. i don't know if it's "unconventional," but it provides a new insight. even in the godfather, i don't think coppola (or maybe puzo, for that matter) really got into kay's reaction to the life. we all know that she wasn't fond of it, but that she loved michael.
giving karen hill a voice-over really took the mafia wife to another level. remember how she felt after henry pistol-whipped that dude? she was real, it turned her on. i believe karen honestly thought henry would always do his best to provide for her and the kids. even when he was cheating, even when he was in jail. she did say that there was something special in knowing that she had the "kind of husband who'd risk (his) neck just for the little extras." and when henry was selling drugs and even with the lufthansa heist, karen benefited directly from that without thinking twice. by that point, henry's family had become her family. anyone can get sucked in. she's got to be one of the strongest female characters i've seen in a mob movie.
hope that helps. i'm at work and had nothing better to do. but i've seen goodfellas way too many times and figure i'd try to come up with something. there's probably much more to explore on that angle, but maybe it'll give you something to think about.

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3. "you are so lucky...."
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the major thing for me was the heavy impact cocaine had on the entire underwolrd.
the generation gap between paulie and henry.

paulie was about boosting and extorting
henry was about the drug money

and you see their relationship play out at the end when paulie hands henry the cash and tells him to leave.


also, structure fo the movie itself. actualy starting from the middle and back-tracking.

definitley compare it to the marty's other flicks speciifcaly casino, since its mainly the same cast, just in vegas with slicker cinematography

you lucky bastidge


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4. "dope assignment"
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To add to everyone else's suggestions, I'd recommend picking up some older Warner Brothers gangster films for reference as well. 'The Public Enemy' in particular shares several parallels with Goodfellas.

  

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5. "I was actually going to say the same thing"
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In the respect that it seems to me (though I could be wrong) that Scorsese was attracted to this film because it did deal with the little guy in the mob like Tom Powers who really was just a muscle man, as opposed to so many other crime movies that deal with either a) people at the top(The Godfather), b) people working their way up to the top(Scarface, orignal and remake), or c) people working as their own operatives outside of any force at all (Bonnie and Clyde).

EDIT: Also, though I am sure you prolly thought of this, but the reasoning behind the voice over and how it effects the storytelling, because the reason we also hear his wife's voice over is because the voice over is really his testimony as we learn in the end. Sure it isn't direct testimony, but it is done through the eyes of somebody on the stand, so because of that there is always a nostalgia and regret to the voice overs, which matches (or perhaps creates) the overall mood of the film, enhanced even more in my opinion by the fact that there is constantly memorable music in it that was used for time and memory.

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7. "also"
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>In the respect that it seems to me (though I could be wrong)
>that Scorsese was attracted to this film because it did deal
>with the little guy in the mob like Tom Powers who really was
>just a muscle man, as opposed to so many other crime movies
>that deal with either a) people at the top(The Godfather), b)
>people working their way up to the top(Scarface, orignal and
>remake), or c) people working as their own operatives outside
>of any force at all (Bonnie and Clyde).

Henry Hill was unique in that most low level mob peons like him would never have access to a Capo like Paul Vario. But Henry grew up in that crew. Plus Paulie's crew, from what I read, was the most unconventional crew in the Lucchese family. Other crews would look down on them for working with all these non-Italians, but they were also known is the most ruthless crew in terms of outright violence, and largest money makers in the family.

  

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6. "the renegade style of the Goodfellas"
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is completely in line with the subjects of the film and their unconventional lifestyles. they don't give a shit about the rules of society, and the film doesn't give a shit about the conventions of filmmaking (hence the multiple/continuous voice-overs, freeze frames, Henry talking directly to the camera, etc..)

someone even brought up in another post how even in the end credits you have Sid Vicious of all people butchering Sinatra's "My Way" (a traditional wise-guy anthem)

also we're really pulled in to Henry's rise and fall. It's nearly impossible to watch the first half of this film and not secretly wish you were in the mafia. it reads as pure celebration of the lifestyle. but as soon as Spider is killed, everything changes drastically. including the viewer's attitude toward the subject matter.

I'm trying to think of something to say about Henry's "Last Day as a Wiseguy" sequence, other than it's one of the most brilliant series of scenes in any movie, ever.

  

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8. "RE: the renegade style of the Goodfellas"
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>but as soon as Spider is killed,
>everything changes drastically.
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interesting that you mark the turning point after they kill spider. i thought it was more or less after tommy got whacked.

hmm, i guess i see what you're saying. henry goes to jail, starts dealing coke, gets caught, paulie turns on him, has to sell out his pals. wow, never thought of it that way

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10. "should be the turning point for the viewer"
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Tommy, Jimmy, and co. are seen as kind of a good time, party bunch up to that point. violent at times but nothing particularly horrible. then we see Tommy murder a kid just for talking back to him. and no one in the room even cares, other than that's it's gonna be a pain in the ass to bury him because they don't have any more lime.

It's the point where the viewer is supposed to stop looking at these guys with so much reverence.

  

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11. "could the same be said about billy bats?"
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like, maybe we didn't know how violent the guys were until this incident. i'll say that things didn't necessarily start going downhill for the crew until after spider got shot.
but i'm wondering if scorcese wanted us to look at the bats murder as a turning point, you know since he gives us the date and all. damn, now you got me thinking! i'm at work, i'm not supposed to be using my brain independently!

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13. "yeah I agree, the Bats murder was the turning point for the crew"
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likely why it's the opening scene of the movie, then we get Henry's monologue about how out of hand things started to get, and how killings became such a regular occurrence.

but for the audience's view of the lifestyle it was definitely Spider.

  

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9. "PTP is the shit. Thanks guys...."
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I definitely wouldn't have thought of some of this stuff otherwise. Gives me a lot to do this weekend.

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14. "**wraps phone cord around your neck**"
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>I definitely wouldn't have thought of some of this stuff
>otherwise. Gives me a lot to do this weekend.


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16. "always fucking late"
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even late for your own fucking funeral

  

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12. "Scorcese's use of popular music"
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15. "read the book the movie was based on"
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"WISEGUY". Compare how he handled fact from fiction(for example JOE PESCI character is based on 3 different people)

  

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17. "DRAFT 1...."
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Goodfellas and the Crime Genre


“As far back as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster.” – Henry Hill


It has been an interesting time in America since the collapse of the studio system. There is no longer a standardized method of churning out genre films, yet genre is that which we base our choice on what to watch. Goodfellas (Scorsese, 1990) is a genre film in every sense of the word; however it breaks conventions and attempts to revolutionize the genre. In the following, I will discuss Goodfellas as a gangster film; how fits the mold of a crime film yet breaks the conventions of such. In order to do this, I will look at the traditions of the gangster film; as well as the form, content, iconography, and characters of Goodfellas. When one looks at these elements and compares them to the traditional gangster films, one will plainly see that Goodfellas is not merely a genre film; but one which attempts to revolutionize the gangster genre.

According to Jack Shadoian, the classic (and most simplistic) period for the American gangster film was from 1930 to 1932 (beginning with Little Caesar and ending with Scarface in an era of over fifty gangster pictures). These packaged films were “like an Alka-Seltzer for the headaches of the Depression”, and the gangster was a “self made man who has no fear of pain or death and behaves amorally until the world’s weight crushes down on him”. In a very ideological way, the “tough guys”, their women, police officers, etc. are all stylized by their speech, behavior, and so on in order to distinguish them from “us” (as well as them from the “good guys” of the picture - 29-30). One of the first things that one may notice about Goodfellas is that it presents a world in which there is no “good” or “evil”; there is simply what one may deem the “underworld”. This is a post- The Godfather (Copolla, 1972) phenomenon (and thus a modernist phenomenon) in which “the world on screen is not split according to values or desires”. Rather than depicting the good and the bad, the viewer is simply shown the world of the gangster. No parallels are drawn between the two worlds; we are shown one, and the other is simply ignored (Shadoian 239-240).

During the production of Goodfellas, director Martin Scorsese told many people, “There’s no sense in making another gangster picture, unless it is as close as possible to a certain kind of reality, to the spirit of a documentary”. In order to accomplish this, he used such unorthodox techniques as freeze-frames (ex. when a young Henry Hill is taking a beating at the hands of his father), multiple-character voiceovers (ex. Henry Hill, Karen Hill, etc.), and even a scene in which Henry Hill talks directly to the camera, breaking the so-called “fourth wall”. In using such techniques, Scorsese was able to “re-create the sort of things that make an imprint, that have an impact on you as a child” (as in the case of the freeze-frames) and to mimic 1950s television personality Ernie Kovacs who, according to Scorsese, “destroyed what you were used to thinking was the form of television comedy show” (Christie, 153-154). Clearly, Scorsese was attempting to destroy a form of his own; that of the traditional gangster film.

The gangster film is obsessed with rules. Rules are the backbone to the mafia, and certain rules, such as the loyalty to the leader of the gang, to not talk to the police/law enforcement, etc. are almost universal throughout all gangster films. Goodfellas is no exception to this. After his first court appearance, Henry Hill is told by Jimmy Conway, “You learned the two greatest things in life. Never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut”. Interestingly enough, the placement of these rules into the gang does not prevent them from being broken, and this is entirely evident in Goodfellas (Leitch, 103-105, 114-115). Henry Hill deviates from boss Paul Cicero’s orders that he not sell drugs (undermining his authority), and ultimately “rats” on all of his associates, sending them to prison.

The character of the gangster is a spectacle. His exploits, whether sexual, violent, or criminal, fascinate viewers to no end, thus the popularity of the genre. As is widely known, whatever makes money gets repeated, and this explains the inundation of gangster films since their inception (especially during the “golden” era). The spectacle links the early gangster films to the most recent; whether it is Public Enemy (Wellman, 1931) or Pulp Fiction (Tarantino, 1994) (Shadoian, 276-278). Again, Goodfellas is no exception to this rule. However, rather than one main gangster to embody this spectacle, Goodfellas gives us three: Henry Hill, Jimmy Conway, and Tommy DeVito; all of whom have their defining characteristics. Hill is obviously the main character of the film and, while only a foot soldier in the mob, is captivating for the respect he commands within the community. Conway is fascinating for his criminal prowess; his genius in the ways of robbery. DeVito’s spectacle comes in his ultra-violent, short-tempered behavior, as well as his disrespect for all of those around him (ultimately leading to his death at the hands of his own family). Goodfellas segments the traditional gangster main character into three different characters, and thus differentiates itself from the formulaic nature of the genre.

The iconography of Goodfellas is clearly that of a classic gangster film. There is the brutal violence, guns, women, gambling debts, Italian-American characters in suits, etc. However, one way that Goodfellas deconstructs the iconography of the gangster film through its main character Henry Hill. In the classic sense, in such films as Scarface (DePalma, 1983), The Godfather (Copolla, 1972), etc. the protagonist (or even anti-hero) of the film is generally a high ranking mafia official (or a low ranking official who rises to the top of the family). In Goodfellas, Henry Hill is not only low-ranking (albeit well-respected), but he is unable to become “made” due to his Irish-Italian heritage. In its content/theme/story/narrative, Goodfellas is not much different than its classical counterparts in the world of cinema, but it embraces an unknown road in order to explore the lower levels of the mafia through the eyes of an “outsider”. This is a clear example of deconstruction of the iconography of the gangster film.

Another departure from the traditional gangster fare that Goodfellas encompasses is that of the role of the woman behind the gangster. Traditionally speaking, the wives of the gangsters are shut out of their business completely and are treated as background characters.

Goodfellas adapts a neo-noir-like feel due to its nihilistic behavior of opting not to look for an explanation for the criminal behavior within society because society itself is criminal. The subject of criminality in Goodfellas is never explained; it rather just is (Leitch, 292). It was not until 1980s that drugs became truly stigmatized in society, and due to the rise of crack cocaine (and the fall of the laissez-faire attitude toward drugs in the 1960s and 1970s) people began to look at drugs as a true threat to their safety. This is important to look at in the context of Goodfellas, because drugs become an important part of the film’s course of events. While drug abuse had once been saved for “message dramas” (such as The Man with the Golden Arm in 1955), Goodfellas uses drugs as a “trope for hardcore criminality” (Leitch, 44-45). Henry Hill’s true success came after he was released from prison, and it came due to his dealing cocaine. Ultimately, his downfall also was due to using and dealing drugs.

Goodfellas is clearly a neo-noir film, and because of this, is able to follow in the footsteps of the modernist films before it which broke certain conventions at the time. For example, Goodfellas is shot in color. This may seem “normal” (especially for 1990), but actually, gangster films were shooting in black and white while their counterparts were using color film stocks, even up until well into the 1950’s. However, the emergence of the “director’s cinema” with such films as The Godfather (Parts I and II), Bonnie and Clyde (Penn, 1967), etc. allowed directors to use color stocks and to deviate from the black and white film which was the “accepted form of cinema reality” and where there did not exist an “automatic moral-dramatic spectrum”, allowing for more amoral behavior in the films (Shadoian, 240-241). Another post-The Godfather effect is that Goodfellas is two-and-a-half hours long. Therefore, it lacks the typical brevity and efficiency that genre films encompass; for example, both Public Enemy and Little Caesar are under 85 minutes apiece (Shadoian, 268-269).

In its iconography and themes, it is evident that Goodfellas is a gangster film. The film is about gangsters, their lifestyle, their rise, and their consequent downfall. However, the film puts its twists on the conventions and motifs of the genre. Henry Hill is not a “don”; he is a foot soldier incapable of ever moving up through the ranks. Unconventional formalistic techniques, such as freeze-frames, are used frequently throughout the film. Rather than being a brisk 85 minute film, it stretches two and a half hours. Even in the non diegetic elements, there are such twists. The film closes with the classic wiseguy anthem “My Way” by Frank Sinatra – as sung by punk rock icon Sid Vicious. Due to changing attitudes in crime, drugs, and film in society, Goodfellas was able to break down the elements of a gangster film and change them up to keep the genre interesting. Martin Scorsese crafted a truly revolutionary film – and he did it his way.








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19. "you didn't say much about the violence..."
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didn't Goodfellas enjoy a certain notoriety over its violence?
i'm not an expert
but in The Godfather they show you killings
in Scarface they show you torturous killings (the chainsaw)
in both of cases it's part of mob life. people getting whacked
in Goodfellas they have CASUAL violence
it's done spur of the moment (killing Bats for disrespect, shooting the waiter)
it's nasty (the stabbing scene, beatings...)
and it's really an extension of Tommy's PERSONALITY, not of mafia operations

it brings an element of terror to a lighthearted film
the casualness, combined with the volatile tempers and graphic depictions
it also makes the violence/mob more human

when they actually do have a mob killing, it's Pesci getting set up and whacked, and it doesn't even show you what happens, he just goes "oh shit"

*shrugh* maybe it was all done before

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18. "I'm writing a similar paper right now"
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on gangster films of the '30s and how they've evolved into the contemporary gangster film of today. Our film for the week was Donnie Brasco and I'm using the original Scarface ('32) and Goodfellas for my examples of how it's changed. Good shit.

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