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"The Wolf of Wall Street (Scorsese, 2013)"


  

          

Welp, here's the best trailer of 2013. Couldn't possibly look more fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iszwuX1AK6A

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Yeezus just rose again!
Jun 17th 2013
1
I'm still trying to get through the book, but that backstory is boring
Jun 17th 2013
2
I'm maybe like 150 pages into the book.
Jun 17th 2013
5
Great trailer.
Jun 17th 2013
3
Looks awesome. N/M
Jun 17th 2013
4
looks awesome...this is kind of what i hoped Wall St 2 would be
Jun 17th 2013
6
Really? I thought it looked kind of dumb
Jun 17th 2013
7
Matty McC gunnin' in it, ain't he!?
Jun 17th 2013
8
McC lookin at Leo like, "You ain't out-hamming me!"
Jun 17th 2013
9
man fuck the fact he was only in it for 10min
Dec 26th 2013
41
Go Leo, Go Leo!
Jun 17th 2013
10
*reserves seat at the arclight*
Jun 17th 2013
11
How is this movie still not out?
Nov 17th 2013
12
That's simple. Scorsese had to edit the movie down.
Nov 18th 2013
13
Leo is the only actor left I get excited to see is in a new movie.
Nov 19th 2013
14
pop locks to the theater to see this movie..lol
Nov 19th 2013
15
3 hours of sex, drugs, and general assholia (MILD SPOILERS)
Dec 01st 2013
16
Damn, I need an LA friend to +1 me on these joints.
Dec 01st 2013
17
I will
Dec 02nd 2013
18
If I get a PGA screening I'll hit you up about it
Dec 02nd 2013
19
Please do, beer afterward on me.
Dec 03rd 2013
22
Yeah, my bad, my +1 was tooken
Dec 02nd 2013
20
      All you had to say was "she," friend.
Dec 03rd 2013
23
sounds kinda intense. I may go see this.
Dec 19th 2013
30
Now that I got to see it twice, this is funnier than American Hustle.
Dec 03rd 2013
21
Oh, I just wanted to say how dissapointed I was that MM's part
Dec 03rd 2013
24
Leo said tonight there won't be a Directors Cut, cuz this is it.
Dec 13th 2013
25
No it's not funnier than American Hustle
Dec 26th 2013
39
      After seeing American Hustle again, sorry it is.
Dec 30th 2013
72
A miracle. A hilarious, debaucherous miracle. (no spoilers)
Dec 13th 2013
26
why couldn't you believe this movie was made?
Dec 26th 2013
38
      It's a $100 mil budget spent on assholes and NC-17 behavior.
Jan 02nd 2014
104
           even with Martin and Leo attached to it?
Jan 03rd 2014
109
2 questions:
Dec 13th 2013
27
RE: 2 questions:
Dec 13th 2013
28
It's the best Leo/Marty collab, IMO.
Dec 13th 2013
29
Can't be another flick whose acronym describes it > The WoWS
Dec 20th 2013
31
its really that sexually explicit???
Dec 21st 2013
32
      Any 16 year old could see it alone & not be scared for life but...
Dec 23rd 2013
34
I dug it. Leo kills it.
Dec 22nd 2013
33
it's good not, great
Dec 25th 2013
35
That's where I'm at.
Dec 29th 2013
55
RE: The Wolf of Wall Street (Scorsese, 2013)
Dec 25th 2013
36
freakin hilarious!!
Dec 26th 2013
37
it's very good and it's funny
Dec 26th 2013
40
My fav scene is when Leo and Jonah do the 12 year old ludes
Dec 26th 2013
42
okay edit: that ^ was one letter away from sounding insane.
Dec 27th 2013
43
Backlash Begins (swipe)
Dec 28th 2013
44
OUCH
Dec 28th 2013
46
Welp, way to not get the point of the movie.
Dec 28th 2013
47
With all the Goodfellas-esque movies
Dec 28th 2013
48
      Riiiiight.
Dec 28th 2013
49
      Point me to the part here where Belfort is glorified.
Dec 29th 2013
51
      The part where they show all the cash and the part fucking the hoes
Dec 29th 2013
64
           You're not a moron, but you're arguing two completely different things.
Dec 29th 2013
66
           begs a larger question tho... (kinda ranty)
Jan 03rd 2014
108
                You are, but I can answer it quickly.
Jan 08th 2014
151
           The sad part of this movie
Jan 08th 2014
154
      The Leo-McCounaghey chat frames the entire movie
Dec 29th 2013
58
      Glamorize vs. Glorify
Dec 29th 2013
60
You left out the plug for her upcoming memoir at the bottom.
Dec 29th 2013
52
My bad. You can reach her at christina.mcdowell1016@yahoo.com
Dec 29th 2013
53
It needed one last voiceover
Dec 29th 2013
56
Thank Christ almighty they didn't do that.
Dec 29th 2013
61
      Yep.
Dec 29th 2013
62
Hi Martin Scorsese
Jan 10th 2014
161
      Spelled High wrong
Jan 10th 2014
163
Got my Arclight tix for tonight. Cannot wait
Dec 28th 2013
45
Hip Hop Hooray !!!! Ho!!! Hey!!!!Ho!!!
Dec 28th 2013
50
where can i see this for free online?
Dec 29th 2013
54
not even a cam copy is available right now, but
Dec 29th 2013
57
lmao, good grief
Dec 30th 2013
77
its finally available on The Pirate Bay. decent copy as well.
Jan 09th 2014
156
Thoroughly engaging, fun, with a script that is one for the ages
Dec 29th 2013
59
^^^^all of that is how i feel.
Feb 24th 2014
212
Didn't realize the real Belfort had a cameo
Dec 29th 2013
63
What an awful review. Good grief.
Dec 29th 2013
65
      Teenage boys are known for their depth?
Dec 30th 2013
67
           Why would current brokers cringe? They are terrible awful people.
Dec 30th 2013
75
Best Dicaprio performance in Scorsese
Dec 30th 2013
68
Why does he have to?
Dec 30th 2013
69
      HOW DID HE FEEL ABOUT TRAVIS BICKLE HENRY HILL OR JAKE LAMOTTA??!?!
Dec 30th 2013
76
           lol
Dec 30th 2013
78
           LOL, spot on. This 'backlash' is such drivel
Dec 30th 2013
79
                Lamotta, Bickle and Hill were alive to me. Frank wasn't
Dec 31st 2013
81
                     He didn't do that with Belford?
Dec 31st 2013
82
                     Nope.
Dec 31st 2013
84
                     Yes he did actually. Were you hoping for an overt dialogue on it?
Dec 31st 2013
85
                          Please show me where I said I wanted condemnation
Dec 31st 2013
86
                               I disagree 1000% with your conclusion.
Dec 31st 2013
87
                               Replace 'condemnation' with 'opinion', it's still the same point
Dec 31st 2013
89
                                    I mistyped
Dec 31st 2013
90
                                    How is it layered?
Dec 31st 2013
91
                                         There's a lot of movies this could've been
Jan 04th 2014
118
                                              So it's not layered.
Jan 04th 2014
121
                                                   Layered wouldn't be the first word I'd use
Jan 05th 2014
126
Quick question bc maybe I missed something
Dec 30th 2013
70
I figured they were just being watched
Dec 30th 2013
73
      I think he did...
Dec 31st 2013
83
DiCaprio deserves an oscar nom for his
Dec 30th 2013
71
broke out his Gilbert Grape on that one
Jan 02nd 2014
102
Certified Classic.
Dec 30th 2013
74
Scorsese's best picture since Goodfellas, easily.
Dec 31st 2013
80
I agree, and I have LOVED a few of his films since.
Dec 31st 2013
88
Oof. Adding fuel to the backlash.
Dec 31st 2013
92
Hysterical
Dec 31st 2013
93
Decent flick....
Dec 31st 2013
94
I disagree with a good lot of this:
Jan 01st 2014
99
      No need to even read dude's review past this line:
Jan 02nd 2014
100
Don't see anything wrong with this.
Jan 01st 2014
95
      It undercuts the point of the final scene.
Jan 01st 2014
96
           I don't need DiCaprio to condemn the man Belfort is today.
Jan 01st 2014
98
           Upon more reflection, the issue is more execution than anything
Jan 03rd 2014
110
                Haven't seen the flick....
Jan 08th 2014
143
                     i think people are full of shit or
Jan 08th 2014
145
                          Well yeah, but they're obviously missing the point...
Jan 08th 2014
146
                          Except Leo's character didn't have a huge fall
Jan 08th 2014
147
                          Well, that's because the character Leo was playing didn't have a big fal...
Jan 08th 2014
152
                               I just didn't see that much condemnation
Jan 08th 2014
155
                                    I literally thought those exact things.
Jan 09th 2014
158
                          you wrote hell of a lot to basically agree with me, also
Jan 08th 2014
148
                               Ha, yeah I guess that's what I did.
Jan 08th 2014
153
                          See...I see it in the opposite way.
Jan 10th 2014
159
                               And another thing
Jan 10th 2014
160
                                    fair point
Jan 13th 2014
173
L.A. Times article with quotes from Marty and Terence Winter
Jan 01st 2014
97
Best Movie of 2013 easily.
Jan 02nd 2014
101
Most entertaining film of 2013
Jan 02nd 2014
103
question (SPOILERS)
Jan 02nd 2014
105
From the LA Times story Zoo posted.
Jan 02nd 2014
106
      Marty articulates it perfectly. Fantastic moment too.
Jan 02nd 2014
107
      The Lemonhead Mrs Robinson was one of the film's only missteps
Jan 04th 2014
112
           Sheeeit, I thought that Everlong cue was FLAWLESS.
Jan 04th 2014
114
                It's a Foo Fighter song. Shit was corny even before the lyrical link
Jan 04th 2014
115
                     I dug the corny music
Jan 04th 2014
116
                     wasnt it era relevant too? why those songs were used I mean
Jan 04th 2014
119
                     Overall it felt less era-conscious than I expected
Jan 04th 2014
120
                          if that was the point tho it sorta misses with a forgotten cover
Jan 06th 2014
137
                     RE: I dug the corny music
Jan 06th 2014
133
                     It was borderline Zemeckis
Jan 04th 2014
122
                     *gulp* 'borderline Zemeckis' sounds brutal but we're on the same page
Jan 06th 2014
138
                          Zemeckis would've played "I'm on a Boat."
Jan 08th 2014
150
                               LOL, I got u.
Jan 13th 2014
169
                     Ah, so you want your own little nerdass selections in as Scorcese movie
Jan 05th 2014
123
                     no, I named examples for the fuck of it, I don't particularly care
Jan 06th 2014
135
                          The lemonheads were awesome.
Jan 10th 2014
162
                               I can't say awesome but they had a few cuts, this ain't about them tho
Jan 13th 2014
167
                     I was fine with on-the-nose. 5 secs of nineties opulent optimism...
Jan 05th 2014
124
                          u also kind of dig those late 90's rock corn (no pun) due to it
Jan 06th 2014
136
                               Maaaan, I think Everlong is different from that.
Jan 08th 2014
149
                                    marginally, then again I've never really bought Grohl as a frontman
Jan 13th 2014
168
                                         Word.
Jan 13th 2014
170
that was fun. Leo's a wild dude.
Jan 03rd 2014
111
Best Flick Of '13. Better Than Casino. Not Better Than GFellas but c'mon
Jan 04th 2014
113
I think I literally hate you for saying this is better than Casino
Jan 05th 2014
125
      Goodfellas is my favorite film of all-time, as a result I guess I don't
Jan 06th 2014
134
           Goodfellas is my favorite movie of all time, but
Jan 06th 2014
140
           peace n/m
Jan 07th 2014
141
           I agree with you here..Casino felt like BluePrint 2
Jan 07th 2014
142
           i agree about Casino
Jan 08th 2014
144
LEO WAS WYLIN'
Jan 04th 2014
117
So was the entire movie a sales pitch?
Jan 05th 2014
127
Its no different from GoodFellas regarding POV structure
Jan 05th 2014
128
      Maybe 'explain' was the wrong word
Jan 05th 2014
130
           I've also considered the film as a Richie Rich comic book adaptation
Jan 05th 2014
131
                It reminds me of Alan Moore's run on Richie Rich
Jan 05th 2014
132
                     Thanks.
Jan 06th 2014
139
Can't believe the fucking Arby's Detective is in a movie
Jan 05th 2014
129
might be in the minority here
Jan 09th 2014
157
not alone, echo's my feelings
Jan 13th 2014
171
yea ppl in here acting like this movie was flawless or best of 2013
Jan 18th 2014
175
you arent
Jan 21st 2014
179
If we're going to grade it as a movie, it was awful
Jan 25th 2014
184
If there's ever a columbo remake kyle chandler would be
Jan 11th 2014
164
Crazy. Chandler is 9 years older than Falk was...
Jan 11th 2014
165
      never watched columbo like that
Jan 21st 2014
178
Sell me this pen.
Jan 12th 2014
166
Liked it, but can't believe people giving classic status to this already
Jan 13th 2014
172
Yeah, exactly how I felt
Jan 23rd 2014
183
For those that read the book
Jan 13th 2014
174
It's been awhile, but...
Jan 21st 2014
181
Boiler Room told the story from the average broker perspective
Jan 19th 2014
176
Eh too long
Jan 20th 2014
177
too fuckin' long
Jan 21st 2014
180
I expected more titties
Jan 22nd 2014
182
i left the theathre wanting to call a hooker...no lie
Jan 26th 2014
185
Blue chip, NASDAQs, or pink sheets (penny stocks) skank?
Jan 26th 2014
186
My drive home, i was afraid i was gonna get pulled over
Jan 28th 2014
188
4 hour cut featuring more swearing and sex coming to Blu! *swipe*
Jan 28th 2014
187
Leo is a fucking beast.
Feb 10th 2014
189
Ummm. This is Scorcese's best film ever. Like, easily.
Feb 11th 2014
190
I really wanna know why AMERICAN HUSTLE has everyone talking
Feb 11th 2014
191
'American Hustle' and 'Wolf' aren't even in the same fucking PLANE of fi...
Feb 11th 2014
192
Right? The fuck is going on here?
Feb 11th 2014
193
i dont get it
Feb 13th 2014
203
      it's both of them
Mar 31st 2014
224
C'mon man. These are the same niggas who shitted on Iron Fists
Feb 11th 2014
194
Wait. Best EVER?
Feb 25th 2014
216
      Yes. Its his best film ever
Mar 31st 2014
220
           Smoke some crack with me, bro!
Apr 03rd 2014
226
                that line had me dying
Apr 04th 2014
227
RE:i had a tough time with this one i liked it but it is not
Feb 11th 2014
195
^This dude just said 'Shutter Island' was better.
Feb 12th 2014
196
      RE: ^Yes i really did enjoy that film. I caught that quite
Feb 12th 2014
197
           man you know that hurt
Feb 12th 2014
198
                RE:WOWS didn't push the envelope at all imo Leo
Feb 12th 2014
199
                     lmao @ Leo needing career advice
Feb 13th 2014
200
                     Had a lit candle pushed up his ass but that didn't push the envelope?
Feb 13th 2014
201
                          RE:As i walked out of the theater the crowd behind me was
Feb 13th 2014
202
                               Ah, so Natural Essence ran out of bees wax and chewsticks
Feb 14th 2014
206
                               I've seen them both twice now & it's clearly American Hustle
Feb 14th 2014
207
                                    RE: I've seen them both twice now & it's clearly American Hustle
Feb 14th 2014
209
                                         I'm far from mad & not even a big Marty fan
Feb 14th 2014
210
                                              i was surprised that he didn't explain it
Apr 06th 2014
228
RE:OKniggas and OKwiggas are so misogynist, lol, so
Feb 13th 2014
204
You're a 22 year old white girl
Feb 14th 2014
205
RE: Fuck all this Scorcese hype Marty ain't made no
Feb 14th 2014
208
the movie was not misogynist; the characters in it were.
Feb 24th 2014
211
      There is zero misogynist about this movie. Zero.
Feb 24th 2014
213
      I just think people expected them to 'pay' for the behavior
Feb 24th 2014
214
      RE: the movie was not misogynist; the characters in it were.
Feb 25th 2014
215
      interesting
Feb 26th 2014
217
      here, im going to call you names
Mar 31st 2014
222
      Thank you.
Mar 31st 2014
221
This was Casino all over again.
Mar 30th 2014
218
Thousands of times better than the dogshit that was 'Casino'
Mar 31st 2014
219
      hey captain exageration
Mar 31st 2014
223
      I don't know about thousands... but probably hundreds at least.
Apr 01st 2014
225
how did this movie not glamorize the wolf?
Apr 06th 2014
229
that's the great part about it to me
Apr 06th 2014
230
what about the corruption and imbalance in the capitalist system?
Apr 08th 2014
236
If you think that was "glamour," then YOU have awful priorities
Apr 07th 2014
235
      it's glamour by definition
Apr 08th 2014
237
           Ah. So it sounds like you're upset that life isn't fair.
Apr 09th 2014
239
RE:Are we still talking about this silly movie? lol
Apr 07th 2014
231
the Wall Street guys are clearly portrayed as scumbags
Apr 07th 2014
232
Not sure why there's a sudden moratorium on talking about this movie
Apr 07th 2014
233
i read this in lebowski jesus voice
Apr 07th 2014
234
LMAO
Apr 09th 2014
242
the question is what is the artist's motive for the depiction?
Apr 08th 2014
238
The artist's motive is to depict truth.
Apr 09th 2014
241
lol @ the "Wall Street origins" video you linked
Apr 09th 2014
240
This movie must have been fun as FUCK to make
Jun 01st 2014
243
Yeah, my perspective on this film has changed a bit
Jun 01st 2014
244
      The problem is, because these guys were so pathetic,
Jun 02nd 2014
245
           2 of several reasons I liked Casino more too
Jun 02nd 2014
246

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "Yeezus just rose again!"
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that movie looks funny as hell. and who is that super hot version of Emma Stone???

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Cold Truth
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Mon Jun-17-13 12:23 PM

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2. "I'm still trying to get through the book, but that backstory is boring"
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I love memoirs and the like, especially sensational shit like this. That's been the lions share of my reading for a couple of years now and it's rare when I can't fly right through one. This is that rarity. Sadly, it's killed my enthusiam for the movie.

  

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Ryan M
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5. "I'm maybe like 150 pages into the book."
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It's okay.

Total popcorn craziness. But just okay.

I do feel like the movie's gonna be fun.

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3. "Great trailer."
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The Analyst
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4. "Looks awesome. N/M"
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6. "looks awesome...this is kind of what i hoped Wall St 2 would be"
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a bit more on the outrageous side...looks good

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7. "Really? I thought it looked kind of dumb"
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But I guess I was expecting something completely different so I was thrown off. Some purdy gurls in the trailer though.

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8. "Matty McC gunnin' in it, ain't he!?"
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On some, "Well shit, if Jonah has a nod under his belt... I'ma get mine."

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9. "McC lookin at Leo like, "You ain't out-hamming me!""
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Whistling twice? In one trailer? Glorious.

Like he took whistling lessons from Eli Wallach.

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41. "man fuck the fact he was only in it for 10min"
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10. "Go Leo, Go Leo!"
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11. "*reserves seat at the arclight* "
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12. "How is this movie still not out?"
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They already had a pretty strong ad campaign and now it looks like a second is about to start up.

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13. "That's simple. Scorsese had to edit the movie down."
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Mon Nov-18-13 06:27 AM by bwood

  

          

It got delayed to Christmas (and almost pushed to next year) because Scorsese had to edit the movie down to a reasonable length. It is currently 2hrs and 45 minutes edited down from 3hrs.

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14. "Leo is the only actor left I get excited to see is in a new movie."
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I just think he has the best brand in show business today.

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15. "pop locks to the theater to see this movie..lol"
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16. "3 hours of sex, drugs, and general assholia (MILD SPOILERS)"
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I'll try not to say too much except one thing that struck me is that this is, unquestionably, Marty's most sexually-explicit movie. Doesn't mean that it's sexy; as a matter of fact, the sex in the movie seems to mirror the soul of the lead character: debauched, vulgar, ugly. And be clear: the (young) women in this movie are objectified. This is not the story of how a ballsy guy got ahead with the aid of a strong, intelligent woman. This is not what some of y'all hoped you'd see when you saw The Social Network. The women in the film are there to be looked at, lusted after, and fucked. I'm just being real. And the odd thing is, the guys in the movie appear to enjoy the sex but in certain instances also suffer humiliation as a direct result of their mindless libidos.

Don't.

Anyway, one of the big jokes of the movie is how, despite all their macho bravado and aggression, the men are utterly incompetent when it comes to sex, Jordan included. Nevertheless, I expect the movie as a whole to generate a GANG of essays objecting to the "misogynistic" content. Which would miss the entire point. Which is...

This movie is anchored by one unlikable dude. Jordan Belfort is an asshole. Sure, there's little notes of grace and humanity in him, but for the most part, and a large percentage of the film's running time, he's a highly-flawed asshole, which is right in Marty's wheelhouse. So don't come in looking to hang your hat on "likability." Wouldn't shock me if he ends up being admired, though.

I said Leo put in a strong Best Actor bid for this jount. He took his natural charisma and curdled it, in order to present the portrait of a cat who, yes, is aggressive, yes, has a sleazy charm, and yes, is highly-competitive, but is also stupid in any manner of ways. Addiction is a bitch.

Jonah Hill plays his right-hand man. It could be argued that his performance here is better than the one he gave in Moneyball, but I'm still mulling that over. Rob Reiner was solid as Jordan's dad. Margot Robbie is given the showiest role as Jordan's second wife, and does a fine job. Kyle Chandler was good as the fed who's on Jordan's ass for much of the film. Jean Dujardin was effective in a small-but-crucial role.

Terence Winter's script is terrific and very funny. Thought I saw Ted Griffin's name in there somewhere as well. Anyway, it's chock full of fantastic monologues (like Mr. Alright-Alright's, which pretty much lays out the film's thesis) and scenes that flip convention on their head. Oh, and there's a magnificent set piece featuring 15 year-old quaaludes, a Lamborghini, some coke, and... well, I'm not going to just spoil all of it, that wouldn't be fair. But it is indeed some very dark comedy, and more than a bit reminiscent of the Racist Cartoon Maker's heroin overdose/adrenaline shot sequence from Pulp Fiction. Speaking of which...

SPOILER ALERT

No one (except the rappers on the exceptional soundtrack) says “nigger” in this! Jonah Hill makes a reference to Jordan calling a pilot "the n-word," but other than that, no "niggers" to be had in this. Everybody celebrate! Though the nanny was approaching mammy territory...

To keep it all the way funky, this is boilerplate Marty, gang. Doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's stale, but it's Marty going back to the Mean Goodfellas Streets one more time. And if you're going to take a walk through hell-on-earth yet again, who better than Marty to guide you?

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17. "Damn, I need an LA friend to +1 me on these joints."
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18. "I will"
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but I live in the Inland Empire

  

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19. "If I get a PGA screening I'll hit you up about it"
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22. "Please do, beer afterward on me."
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20. "Yeah, my bad, my +1 was tooken"
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She... yeah, I'll just say it was tooken and leave it at that, lol

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23. "All you had to say was "she," friend."
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lol

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30. "sounds kinda intense. I may go see this."
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As old as Marty is, he still hasnt lost his edge I see.

  

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21. "Now that I got to see it twice, this is funnier than American Hustle. "
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First off Leo and Jonah have great comedic timing. The last hour kinda dragged for me, but this is still one of the best films I've seen all year.

Jordan Belfort is a greedy douchebag, who lets greed and pride get in his way. With that said it was fun watching homie do depraved shit for 3 hours. Did I mention he's a piece of shit.

Again here you have stupid people being dumb and greedy about crime and sucking at it.

I was very happy to see Margot Robbie in the bluff. I've had a HUGE crush on her since Pan Am (yes I watched it and liked it for what it was). In the words of Rex Reed or was it Peter Travers "She played a good guinea" to which the audience groaned and DiCaprio paused.

Also, I know the drug use had to be exaggerated. I mean shit the amount of drugs that Jordan does would kill Tony Montana. The funniest sequence in the film is watching Leo trip balls and you'll know it when it happens.

Listening to Leo talk about this film twice, I see why editing took so long. They didn't know what the final scene was gonna be and apparently

Yea, I loved this shit and I hope to see Scorsese original cut. I could definitely sit though this a third time

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24. "Oh, I just wanted to say how dissapointed I was that MM's part"
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was pretty much shown in full in the trailers.

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25. "Leo said tonight there won't be a Directors Cut, cuz this is it."
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That for the most part the extra stuff they trimmed to make it an R was classic "make it viper than you need so the MPAA will reward your concessions" stuff.

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39. "No it's not funnier than American Hustle"
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and only it's slightly better

  

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72. "After seeing American Hustle again, sorry it is."
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I laughed less the second time and unlike AH, I didn't want Wolf to end my 2nd time out. Wolf my second time I was still laughing and discovering new things.

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26. "A miracle. A hilarious, debaucherous miracle. (no spoilers)"
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Can't believe this movie was made.

Can't believe it got this budget.

Can't believe it got an R (I've NEVER seen this much nudity in an R).

It's big and sprawling and funny and fast-paced and ultimately a little sad.

Basically, it's one of the best of the year. And, not to be "that guy," but as far as movies that feel like Scorsese films go in this awards season, you can tell the real thing from the imitation.

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38. "why couldn't you believe this movie was made?"
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104. "It's a $100 mil budget spent on assholes and NC-17 behavior."
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It had less of a chance of making its money back domestically than even Hugo did.

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109. "even with Martin and Leo attached to it?"
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i get what you're saying, but just doesn't seem like that much of a stretch for me.

  

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27. "2 questions:"
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1) How Jonah Hilly is Jonah Hill? Does he actually attempt to play a character other than himself?

2) Where does this sit in context w/ his last 3 films (Departed, Shutter Island, Hugo)? How would you rank them?

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28. "RE: 2 questions:"
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>1) How Jonah Hilly is Jonah Hill? Does he actually attempt to
>play a character other than himself?
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It's kinda a mix of both Hill and the character.

>2) Where does this sit in context w/ his last 3 films
>(Departed, Shutter Island, Hugo)? How would you rank them?
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29. "It's the best Leo/Marty collab, IMO."
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And as bwood said, Hill is a bit of a mix. He's absolutely acting, but his punchlines do often have a Jonah rhythm to their delivery.

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31. "Can't be another flick whose acronym describes it > The WoWS"
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& I missed the first 15-20 minutes & never saw the McCon scene

What was seen was:

Constant rude 'lude debauchery

Marty gettin over on the MPAA (No way another director gets an R outta this)

Leo marching in like a lion, goin out like a lamb

Jonah sidekickin it much better here than he did in Moneyball

A Pulp Fiction & Loathing like set piece that's worth the ticket alone

Margot Robbie not getting nearly enough screen time

Too many looooong, repetitive speeches

Too much narration

yet still maybe the most entertaining movie of the year

  

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32. "its really that sexually explicit???"
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well goddamn.
I'm gonna see it on monday (for free).

  

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34. "Any 16 year old could see it alone & not be scared for life but..."
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...Shame was almost tame compared to this & that got an NC-17

Maybe McQueen gets a pass in retrospect now but Marty clearly had some pull to get this put out w/ an R

I'm pretty sure I know what he had to cut in one scene but I wonder about the rest

  

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33. "I dug it. Leo kills it. "
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Basically everything about it has been said by ZT and Longo, but it's very good. A bit bloated perhaps, but fun.

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35. "it's good not, great"
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although i can see why it would get such praise.
a manic ride through the eyes of jordan belfort...
very vulgar and animalistic in nature.


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55. "That's where I'm at."
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I liked it but didn't think it need to be three hours long (ironic for a movie about excess) but it was entertaining.

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36. "RE: The Wolf of Wall Street (Scorsese, 2013)"
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Scorcese is in a zone right now. I really enjoyed this movie despite the disjointed and unconventional plot. It's classic scorcese, essentially a collection of scenes that work in, or out of context. a lot of his stuff you can throw on as background entertainment and tune in as you please with a 90% chance of witnessing a hysterical, well acted and well choreographed scene.

it's very goodfellas-esque with financial tycoons instead of mobsters. where it lacks in violence it makes up for in sheer lewdness. it's essentially an exposé in gluttony.

writing is great and this is probably leo's best role, like, ever. every character pretty much owns their part. mcconaughey sets the tone very early and it never loses steam.

leo and scorcese will surely get oscar nods. Terence Winter as well.

overall dope flick.

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37. "freakin hilarious!!"
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Was in tears lmao the whole time !!!


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40. "it's very good and it's funny"
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it made me want to do drugs again, and convince my lady to go to a swingers party (that conversation only happened in my head)

it made me romanticize the ridiculousness of being really wealthy and want to experience it

it was like Goodfellas with different set pieces in terms of editing, pacing, and the relationships between men and women

unlike many on this board I really love the Departed, so I don't know if I liked this as much as it (I want to see this again), def better than Shutter and Hugo, but Leo should get an award for his performance here, but since Ejifor happened this year, he shouldn't.

I fell in love with Margot Robbie and it didn't have damn thing to do with her acting

also Jonah and especially Jon Berthnal (aka Shane from the Walking Dead) KILT their respective rolls

i do think they could've cut 35min and it still been as powerful.

  

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42. "My fav scene is when Leo and Jonah do the 12 year old ludes"
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and leo has to get to the country club to make the call to his PI. Oh my god, Leo's conviction to the physicality required for that scene was jaw dropping.

Overall, I loved the movie. Shockingly graphic. Like I can't believe this got an R as Longo said above.

Jonah Hill was really impressive.

Wished there'd been more Kyle Chandler.

It wasn't necessarily too long, but couldnt have been longer for more Chandler. The whole thing was a wild ride.

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http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/12/wolf_of_wall_street_prousalis.php

An Open Letter to the Makers of The Wolf of Wall Street, and the Wolf Himself

By LA Weekly Thu., Dec. 26 2013 at 5:00 AM

Categories: Above the Law, Hollywood

BY CHRISTINA MCDOWELL

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, dear Kings of Hollywood, but you have been conned.

Let me introduce myself. My name is Christina McDowell, formerly Christina Prousalis. I am the daughter of Tom Prousalis, a man the Washington Post described as "just some guy on trial for penny-stock fraud." (I had to change my name after my father stole my identity and then threatened to steal it again, but I'll get to that part later.) I was eighteen and a freshman in college when my father and his attorneys forced me to attend his trial at New York City's federal courthouse so that he "looked good" for the jury -- the consummate family man.

And you, Jordan Belfort, Wall Street's self-described Wolf: You remember my father, right? You were chosen to be the government's star witness in testifying against him. You had pleaded guilty to money laundering and securities fraud (it was the least you could do) and become a government witness in two dozen cases involving your former business associate, but my father's attorneys blocked your testimony because had you testified it would have revealed more than a half-dozen other corrupt stock offerings too. And, well, that would have been a disaster. It would have just been too many liars, and too many schemes for the jurors, attorneys or the judge to follow.

But the records shows you and my father were in cahoots together with MVSI Inc. of Vienna, e-Net Inc. of Germantown, Md., Octagon Corp. of Arlington, Va., and Czech Industries Inc. of Washington, D.C., and so on -- a list of seemingly innocuous, legitimate companies that stretches on. I'll spare you. Nobody cares. None of these companies actually existed, yet all of them were taken public by the one and only Wolf of Wall Street and his firm Stratton Oakmont Inc in order to defraud unwitting investors and enrich yourselves.

As an eighteen-year-old, I had no idea what was going on. But then again, did anyone? Certainly your investors didn't -- and they were left holding the bag when you cashed out your holdings and got rich off their money.

So Marty and Leo, while you glide through press junkets and look forward to awards season, let me tell you the truth -- what happened to my mother, my two sisters, and me.

The day my father had to surrender to prison, I drove him. My mother had locked herself in the bathroom crying and throwing up, becoming nothing short of a more beautiful version of Cate Blanchett in Blue Jasmine. Ironically enough, Marty, she looks like a cross between Sharon Stone and Michelle Pfeiffer. Totally your leading ingénue type. Anyhow, after my father successfully laundered money in my name, hiding what was left of our assets from the government in a Wells Fargo bank account, I arrived home to discover multiple phone calls from creditors and attorneys threatening to sue me. He'd left me in nearly $100,000 worth of debt. He left and never told me.

After all of that liquidated money was gone from the Wells Fargo bank account, things got pretty bad. My younger sister ran away at seventeen. My older sister struggled to finish school in Texas. I couch surfed for two years, sometimes dressing out of my car and stealing pieces of salami out of my boyfriends' refrigerators in the middle of the night, because I was so hungry and so ashamed that I couldn't feed myself. Tips at the restaurant weren't cutting it. It's a pretty confusing experience to go from flying private with Dad to an evening where he's begging you for a piece of your paycheck so he can buy food for dinner.

But, here's the real kicker --

I believed him.

I believed everything my father told me. I believed it was the government's fault he was going to prison and leaving his little princess, I believed it was your fault, Jordan Belfort. I believed that by taking out all those credit cards in my name, my father was attempting to save me. I believed him when he got out, and when he told me everything would be OK. I believed him until he tried to do the same thing all over again -- until I was at risk of being arrested myself (and I'm saving that story for the memoir).

So here's the deal. You people are dangerous. Your film is a reckless attempt at continuing to pretend that these sorts of schemes are entertaining, even as the country is reeling from yet another round of Wall Street scandals. We want to get lost in what? These phony financiers' fun sexcapades and coke binges? Come on, we know the truth. This kind of behavior brought America to its knees.

And yet you're glorifying it -- you who call yourselves liberals. You were honored for career excellence and for your cultural influence by The Kennedy Center, Marty. You drive a Honda hybrid, Leo. Did you think about the cultural message you'd be sending when you decided to make this film? You have successfully aligned yourself with an accomplished criminal, a guy who still hasn't made full restitution to his victims, exacerbating our national obsession with wealth and status and glorifying greed and psychopathic behavior. And don't even get me started on the incomprehensible way in which your film degrades women, the misogynistic, ass-backwards message you endorse to younger generations of men.

But hey, listen boys, I get it. I was conned too. By. My. Own. Dad! I drove a white Range Rover in high school, snorted half of Colombia, and got any guy I ever wanted because my father would take them flying in his King Air.

And then I unraveled the truth. The truth about my father and his behavior: that behind all of it was really just insidious soul-sucking shame masked by addiction, which we love to call ambition, which is really just greed. Greed and the desire for fame (exactly what you've successfully given self-appointed motivational speaker/financial guru Jordan Belfort, whose business opportunities will surely multiply thanks to this film).

For me, it's become goddamn unbearable.

But I refuse to give up.

Belfort's victims, my father's victims, don't have a chance at keeping up with the Joneses. They're left destitute, having lost their life savings at the age of 80. They can't pay their medical bills or help send their children off to college because of characters like the ones glorified in Terry Winters' screenplay.

Let me ask you guys something. What makes you think this man deserves to be the protagonist in this story? Do you think his victims are going to want to watch it? Did we forget about the damage that accompanied all those rollicking good times? Or are we sweeping it under the carpet for the sale of a movie ticket? And not just on any day, but on Christmas morning??

So here's what I'm going to do first. I'm going to hand you my shame. Right now, in this very moment. The shame that I've been carrying for far too long as a result of being collateral damage. Because each of you should feel ashamed. And then I'm going to go pre-order my tickets to August: Osage County in support of Julia and Meryl -- because at least, as screwed up as that family is, they talk about the truth.

I urge each and every human being in America NOT to support this film, because if you do, you're simply continuing to feed the Wolves of Wall Street.

Yours truly,

Christina McDowell

PS. Quick update on Dad: He is now doing business with the Albanian government and, rumor has it, married to a 30-year-old Albanian translator -- they always, always land on their feet.

  

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46. "OUCH"
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47. "Welp, way to not get the point of the movie. "
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48. "With all the Goodfellas-esque movies"
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There IS an undercurrent of glorification, and thus she does have a point.

  

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49. "Riiiiight. "
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If you walked away from that movie idolizing Belfort, what's wrong with you?

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51. "Point me to the part here where Belfort is glorified."
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Name me a part where Scorsese encourages us to be like him. Literally any part where you see it, no matter how small.

I'll counter it with the evidence, both subtle and broad, that Scorsese thinks these guys are indicative of the largest problem this country has.

Anyone who thinks this movie glorifies Belfort didn't watch it. I'm convinced.

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64. "The part where they show all the cash and the part fucking the hoes"
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You and "Ryan M" seem to think that I am commenting on my own viewing/perception of the movie. I am not. We live in a country where people dress up as boston bomber victims and think it's okay. It's not a stretch to think that a stupid, base group of folks would think Belfort was cool.

I feel like I've been in this argument before and I know the outcome. Just call me a moron and be pleased with yourself. Let's cut to the credits.

  

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66. "You're not a moron, but you're arguing two completely different things. "
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You're arguing idiots will watch the movie thinking that Belfort rules. That's undoubtedly true.

But you argued above that the film glorifies Belfort. That's undoubtedly false.

Just because idiots see something deplorable that is presented as deplorable doesn't mean those actions are glorified.

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108. "begs a larger question tho... (kinda ranty)"
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...does putting something up on film for the world to see automatically glorify it? even if it's the directors intent to do anything but? isn't just portraying this stuff a form of glorification? by turning this dickhead's life into an entertaining fillum?

example: pretty much all my friends, including me, unanimously loved and continue to love (and profusely quote) "American Psycho". that films intent was similar, to show how the life of a monster wearing the disguise of corporate America lives and thrives and gets away with all sortsa shenanigans, undoubtedly to highlight how fucked up it is. but man, we constantly quote him in relation to all of his twisted behaviour, we laugh immensely at him chopping up Paul Allan (whether actual or in Patrick's head), we sit in silent admiration of him baggin two hoes at once (thought not so much when the sharp objects come out). it was so ridiculous and well-acted that it was both a depiction and surreal HIGH comedy. there's many things to like and loathe about films like these, but the main Q still remains as to what kind of effect putting this kind of stuff out really has on the public, regardless of intent and interpretation. like, just the act of it BEING there might have the inverse reaction of celebritising the douche that the film is apparently trying to shit upon. happens all the time.

not tryin to slam either side of the argument, but i think it's worth touching upon. so much of this kind of back n forth is battled out within the context of "it's a film so i will judge it as only a film", when it's been shown throughout history how much influence films can have via overt and covert messages, mental and social conditioning, and the act of lulling a viewer into that kind of dreamstate in general. there's always more to a film than just the film (i recently re-watched "So I Married An Axe Murderer" and was hilariously surprised that i missed the rant about who owns the world, delivered by Mike Myers (playing his father) mentioning Rockefellers n Rothschilds by name, the kind of rant that a decade ago i wouldn't have thought twice about but now, much older and a little wiser, can see the truth in what he was sayin).

i'm not even sure there's room for this kinda debate on PTP, but i do approach this with an even tone and def not tryin to instigate anyone in this poast.

i'm making sense, right?

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151. "You are, but I can answer it quickly."
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>...does putting something up on film for the world to see
>automatically glorify it?

No.

The reason why this "glorification" is upsetting people is because Scorsese is tapping into That Which People Don't Care To Admit, which is that these types of insane antics ARE entertaining. Just because a guy is deplorable and his actions are deplorable doesn't mean there's no entertainment value in it.

BUT if someone is smiling because they're entertained, and they suddenly finds themselves, even if for a fleeting moment, rooting for Belfort to open the car door with his foot, or for them to escape the storm on his yacht, they have a choice to make. They can say:
1. "The line between that which I despise and that which entertains me is very blurry."
2. "MORAL OUTRAGE THAT BAD THINGS CAN BE FUN TO WATCH SCORSESES FAULT HOW DARE HE"

Obviously smart people move to Choice 1. Some of the best satires are wildly entertaining. Some wildly morally ambiguous (to put it nicely) characters can be genuinely charismatic. Some primal urges tap into the id of humanity.

There's zero chance a rational person can argue that glorification is the director's aim here. If someone can point to a scene they think glorifies Belfort, I can point to two which utterly cancel out anything said.

Plenty of villains in of lives have mansions, yachts, and girls with big tits.

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154. "The sad part of this movie"
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is just how low the stakes are. This isn't an anti-wall street movie; the players are small fish. It's just silly silly movie.

  

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58. "The Leo-McCounaghey chat frames the entire movie "
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"We don't create anything, we don't build anything....it's just a ferris wheel." Scorsese, right from the jump, characterizes the industry and these stock brokers as blood suckers....he further reinforces that point with the first wife questioning Leo about the morality. Scorsese even brings back the McCounaghey chant late in the movie to remind us all of the original framing.

Just because we go onto see all the sex, drugs and jokes doesn't negate the fact that at their heart, these guys are a bunch of soulless vampires.

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60. "Glamorize vs. Glorify"
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As Ice T once said, "They claim I glamorize being a gangster, but it is glamorous."

This film revels in the excess and shows how life can be glamorous for these guys but at no point does it hide the fact that it is indeed excess and it is indeed people essentially stealing from others. At no point is Jordan glorified for what he's doing. In fact, quite the opposite: when he gets blasted in Forbes, it just makes more people want to work for him.

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52. "You left out the plug for her upcoming memoir at the bottom."
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It's obvious why she'd do this (especially with the "coincidental" plug for an upcoming Weinstein company movie... Hmmm....), but it's clear she didn't see the film and is simply writing her own feelings without basis in fact.

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53. "My bad. You can reach her at christina.mcdowell1016@yahoo.com"
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Left that out too

  

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56. "It needed one last voiceover"
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I think some audience members needed one last monologue of Belfort saying, "BUt I couldn't have done it without you. Your desire to get rich quick with nothing but a phone call or quick seminar." I thought the final shot said it but clearly it went over some heads.

Whereas Goodfellas ends with Henry Hill as a schnook, Belfort just keeps living off of the schnooks. I wish the film did focus more on the immediate victims and show how they were as much a victim of their own greed as Belfort was. When it comes down to it, the core of the film is that there's a sucker born every minute.

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61. "Thank Christ almighty they didn't do that."
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>I think some audience members needed one last monologue of
>Belfort saying, "BUt I couldn't have done it without you. Your
>desire to get rich quick with nothing but a phone call or
>quick seminar."

God, that would have been painfully on-the-nose. Thank goodness Marty did it the way he did it. If people missed the point, that's on them.

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62. "Yep."
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161. "Hi Martin Scorsese"
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163. "Spelled High wrong "
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45. "Got my Arclight tix for tonight. Cannot wait "
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50. "Hip Hop Hooray !!!! Ho!!! Hey!!!!Ho!!!"
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They were on a yacht, who in the hell were they doing that for ...love that shit...LMAO!!!!
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54. "where can i see this for free online?"
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saw snippets of it while refilling my popcorn for mandela

too much sex

  

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57. "not even a cam copy is available right now, but"
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give it another 2 weeks. Somebody will upload a bootleg copy soon.

  

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77. "lmao, good grief"
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156. "its finally available on The Pirate Bay. decent copy as well."
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59. "Thoroughly engaging, fun, with a script that is one for the ages "
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Leo absolutely blew me away with his range and commitment (imo the best role of his career, the rawest and most encompassing perfmance)....but my favorite role (and he tends to always be a scene stealer) is Kyle Chandler as the FBI agent. The scene on the boat where both are trying play each other is a masterclass.

Yeh, there's tons of debauchery and Scorsese has some real fun (the hey hoo shot on the yacht was almost like a wink and a nod from him lol) but what sets the film apart is the nuanced framing and indictment of the corrupt stock brokers/culture. He sets the foundation of the industry/people with the brilliant McCounaghey scene (the most important scene in the movie IMO...esp when he essentially says that they are blood-suckers (ferris wheel) who don't create or build anything new) and although we go onto see a lot of sex, drugs, jokes...that foundation never changes.

My only major issue is that it got a bit convoluted in terms of the conditions of his deal. For example, when Leo got caught with the note and Chandler told him he was going to jail...wasn't he going to jail regardless even with full cooperation? Further, wasn't the deal for 4 years so how does that lessen (he got 3) especially after the fact it turns out he didn't fully cooperate (the note)?

All in all...I loved it. Thoroughly engaged, multiple layers, great writing and performances combined with a lot of fun.

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212. "^^^^all of that is how i feel."
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i usually don't want to watch movies again back to back, but there was so much quality writing and acting that imma see this again.

amazing piece of work. i'm a Jonah Hill fan now and i love Leo even more than i have in the past.

great work all around.

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63. "Didn't realize the real Belfort had a cameo"
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He's the guy who introduced Leo at the seminar at the very end.

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65. "What an awful review. Good grief."
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"100% of teenage boys will want to be Belfort."

Yuck. What a shallow read of this film.

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67. "Teenage boys are known for their depth?"
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I don't think Scorsese glorified Belfort but a lot of people are going to be wowed by the glamour of Belfort's life and ignore the rest. There was another story about someone who watched the movie with current brokers and they were outright cheering at some of the spots where they should have been cringing.

"Greed is Good" became a catchphrase after Wall St. and it was pretty much the antithesis o f the movie.

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75. "Why would current brokers cringe? They are terrible awful people."
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>I don't think Scorsese glorified Belfort but a lot of people
>are going to be wowed by the glamour of Belfort's life and
>ignore the rest. There was another story about someone who
>watched the movie with current brokers and they were outright
>cheering at some of the spots where they should have been
>cringing.

I think people who are awful will think what Belfort did was terrific.

A friend of mine works in stocks, and he told me "anyone who thinks Belfort looks great in this is clearly as terrible a person as I am."

Besides, the whole point of the movie is that America let him off easy. Making a movie that yells "DON'T ADMIRE THIS GUY!" would be simplistic and boring. Making a movie where a guy achieves some admirable highs but achieves them due to being a terrible person forces thoughtful audience members to think about their own reactions to the film.

Scorsese treats the audience with respect, and in return, he gets countless think pieces about "but what does the filmmaker THINK about his subject? He never told us!" AS IF THAT EVEN FUCKING MATTERS.

(I'm not ranting at you, btw. I'm just ranting at the absurdity that critics who feel conflicted about how they felt about Belfort blame Scorsese for said conflicted feelings. There are things to criticize this movie for doing. The "lack of clear condemnation of the subject" criticism, however, is beyond insane yet continues to re-appear daily, driving me bananas.)

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68. "Best Dicaprio performance in Scorsese"
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That said, it's really never anything more than okay to me. I don't think it lionizes Belfort but Scorsese doesn't feel either way about him or anybody else in the movie.

  

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69. "Why does he have to?"
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>Scorsese doesn't feel
>either way about him or anybody else in the movie.

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76. "HOW DID HE FEEL ABOUT TRAVIS BICKLE HENRY HILL OR JAKE LAMOTTA??!?!"
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I WISH FILMMAKERS LET ME KNOW PRECISELY HOW THEY FEEL, MAYBE IN A PROLOGUE OR EPILOGUE ADDRESSED TO THE AUDIENCE

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79. "LOL, spot on. This 'backlash' is such drivel "
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81. "Lamotta, Bickle and Hill were alive to me. Frank wasn't"
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I was involved in what happened those guys in a way I never was with Frank. That's what made prime-era Scorsese so great/challenging: he showed you the dregs of society and made you understand them on a level.

I think it's pretty clear Scorsese isn't endorsing this behavior/industry. He just doesn't really have anything to say about it aside from that.

This supposed backlash is the best thing that ever could have happened to this flick. Now the entire AICN/film geek online world has decided Scorsese is under attack and pretending it's better than it actually is.

  

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82. "He didn't do that with Belford?"
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>That's what made prime-era Scorsese so
>great/challenging: he showed you the dregs of society and made
>you understand them on a level.

The whole movie was an expose on what made Jordan tick -- the gaudiness, lifestyle, excess etc. The scene with McConaughey set the tone early. The scene where he decides not to back out of the company was the exclamation point.

  

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84. "Nope."
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He showed what happened in the dude's life but I never felt for him in any way shape or form like I did with Bickle, LaMotta, Pupkin, Rothstein or any of my other favorite Scorsese characters.

DiCaprio, Hill and Chandler make this worth seeing but I just think it's some great achievement for Scorsese. There have been enough quality films this year that I don't feel the need to pretend this is on par with Taxi Driver or King of Comedy. Spring Breakers was a way funnier and more effective satire of American culture for me.

  

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85. "Yes he did actually. Were you hoping for an overt dialogue on it?"
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The entire movie is framed early during the lunch w McConaughey...."we don't build or create anything...it's just a ferris wheel". The conversation w the first wife about the morality of penny stocks, bringing the chant back later on in the movie to again remind us of the lunch convo...there are numerous times where Scorsese frames the broker business as deplorable. Just because there was a lot of fun around that or because there wasn't an overt dialogue =\= not condemning.

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86. "Please show me where I said I wanted condemnation"
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I just wanted a better-written character.

  

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87. "I disagree 1000% with your conclusion. "
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One of the best written films of the year in every way, IMO.

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89. "Replace 'condemnation' with 'opinion', it's still the same point "
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You said Scorsese didn't give an opinion one way or the other...he certainly did, in numerous instances, some of which are mentioned in this thread.

Agree to disagree on the script. Imo one of the tightest, layered scripts I can remember...made even better by the performances in the movie.

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90. "I mistyped"
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I wanted characters that made me feel something either way. Best thing to happen to this movie is this backlash as it somehow has magically raised a rather minor Scorsese flick to Raging Bull.

  

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91. "How is it layered?"
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I guess I'm not seeing these layers in the film. There's really not much depth to the story or any of the characters. There are no real layers to Jordan Belfort; he's a superficial guy who can sell anyone on his dream, even himself (when talking himself out of the SEC deal.) He is blinded by his ego, never batting an eyelash when bringing his family into harm's way for his benefit. There's no real internal struggle.

The idea that he was hurting people or screwing over his own people isn't really on the screen. If anything, the debauchery appears to be more of the culprit than what he's actually doing as his work.

I liked the movie but to me, it was a comedic version of Boiler Room or Wall Street or Margin Call that didn't really come close to showing all sides of the situation. Yes, you can bring some of those to the film but it really glossed over most of the major issues.

And as for it being the tightest script, I completely disagree. You could have cut an hour out of the film and still told the same story. The first wife and the father could be cut out without changing much. I also would give more credit to the editing than the script since the original cut was four hours long.

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118. "There's a lot of movies this could've been"
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We could have seen more about the victims, yes. We could have seen more about the police investigation. We could have seen more of Belfort actually dealing with the consequences of his actions.

But I think they wanted to explore the world established in Belfort's book and just play around in there for a while, and I can't really be mad at that. It was wildly entertaining, for one. And if it's a deeper experience you're looking for, I think one need look no further than inward. Or at the economy. The context is there, even if it's not *there*

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121. "So it's not layered."
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>But I think they wanted to explore the world established in
>Belfort's book and just play around in there for a while, and
>I can't really be mad at that.

I'm fine with that to. I think it was wildly entertaining. But to say that a deeper meaning wasn't *there* and must be found by looking inward or context means, to me, that the film itself wasn't layered.

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126. "Layered wouldn't be the first word I'd use"
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I think it had an intense kind of commitment to it, where it's just all Wolf all the time, and I think that's the quality about it that people are reacting so strongly to.

I think adding "layers" in the sense that we're talking about would have diluted the flavor and compromised the intensity of Belfort's POV

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70. "Quick question bc maybe I missed something"
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Did Donnie snitch on Jordan with the note?

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73. "I figured they were just being watched"
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>Did Donnie snitch on Jordan with the note?

  

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83. "I think he did..."
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That's why when they raided the office, everybody got picked up BUT Jonah and he was off to to the side with his head in his hands. Goes with the theme of the entire flick -- it's a world where people pretend to be looking out for you, but really only have their own interest at heart. No friends in this shit.

That closeup where Jonah covered the note after Leo wrote it kinda clued me in. If it was just the cops finding it in the office, Marty probably would have had Leo crumple it up and throw it in the trash or something.

  

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71. "DiCaprio deserves an oscar nom for his"
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cerebral palsy stage.
that was some physical comedy of highest quality.

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102. "broke out his Gilbert Grape on that one"
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the physical energy required to pull off that performance is astonishing, especially when you consider that he had to do multiple takes of all those scenes. like even the water-splashing-in-his-face scene...he's on full-tilt manic mode for most of that but has a few moments where he has to instantly shift gears almost down to idle, then instantly back up. I don't even know how you pull off a day of shooting like that without some actual ludes.

  

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74. "Certified Classic."
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80. "Scorsese's best picture since Goodfellas, easily."
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88. "I agree, and I have LOVED a few of his films since."
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92. "Oof. Adding fuel to the backlash."
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93. "Hysterical"
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94. "Decent flick...."
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But boy was it too long. It was 3 hours. An unnecessary 3 hours.

There is a lot of entertainment in this movie. But, be aware, the entertainment is geared for the teenage dudes.

It's Goodfellas but with a younger target demographic and selling stocks instead of selling drugs.

There is surely comedy, and plenty of women. Nude women. But, even more than women, there were plenty of DRUGS.

This was almost as much about drugs as it was about Wall Street. But, the drug use was inconsequential in the movie. It was almost being promoted in the movie. There weren't any real world catastrophic consequences of using hard serious drugs.

If you have teenage children, you may not like how drugs were treated in this movie, so be aware. The movie made it appear synonymous with success and just part of the culture of having money. They really pushed it as being the cool and successful thing to do. I mean, they smoked crack ONCE and laughed about it. ONCE. And they laughed about it. Crack. Smoked it ONCE. Really??

As a movie, there was lots of entertainment, but if you prefer more mature intelligent humor, you may find the comedy hit and miss, but it WILL hit sometimes.

DeCaprio was great. Jonah Hill was great also. The acting is solid all around, with DeCaprio showing why he should just be called "Leo" and folks know who you're referring to. He was great.

There isn't anything new, or deep in this movie. The story is a very common one of rise and fall. Nothing new, but the rise and fall story was delivered in a very entertaining way.

I recommend it for those who like the fantastical fun side of crudeness, sex, drugs, and partying without the real world display of the catastrophic prices people really pay when engaging in these lifestyle choices.

If you're a serious person who see those issues as being serious and real, and not comedic, you may want to pass on it.



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99. "I disagree with a good lot of this:"
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>There is a lot of entertainment in this movie. But, be aware,
>the entertainment is geared for the teenage dudes.
>It's Goodfellas but with a younger target demographic and
>selling stocks instead of selling drugs.

This shit is in no way engineered to be entertainment for teenage dudes.

Assuming teenage dudes are "entertained" by the content in Rick Ross videos (half-naked chicks, drugs and booze, mountains of money, mansions, yachts), I guess you could assume that since most of that is on display here that they'd find entertainment here too.

But come on. It's romanticized in Ross videos. Here it's a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah. If they "enjoy" it for the wrong reasons or misunderstand what the depiction is intended to convey, that's not only their problem, it's part of the whole point.

>But, the drug use was inconsequential in the movie. It
>was almost being promoted in the movie. There weren't any real
>world catastrophic consequences of using hard serious drugs.

This is not only false, but a pointless gripe. It sounds like you wanted a sermon about how bad drugs are. We know drugs are bad. They made these people do very bad things and behave very, very badly.

>If you have teenage children, you may not like how drugs were
>treated in this movie, so be aware. The movie made it appear
>synonymous with success and just part of the culture of having
>money. They really pushed it as being the cool and successful
>thing to do. I mean, they smoked crack ONCE and laughed about
>it. ONCE. And they laughed about it. Crack. Smoked it ONCE.
>Really??

The drug use was never once "pushed" as being the "cool" thing to do. Never.

>There isn't anything new, or deep in this movie. The story is
>a very common one of rise and fall. Nothing new, but the rise
>and fall story was delivered in a very entertaining way.
>
>I recommend it for those who like the fantastical fun side of
>crudeness, sex, drugs, and partying without the real world
>display of the catastrophic prices people really pay when
>engaging in these lifestyle choices.

>If you're a serious person who see those issues as being
>serious and real, and not comedic, you may want to pass on
>it.

Of course it's a serious and real issue, but if you couldn't sense the edge and anger to the way Scorsese was depicting this world, I don't know what to tell you. To me, the movie very clearly painted them as hedonistic scourges of the earth. Doing it in a comedic way almost just made the mockery more acerbic. Wesley Morris talked about this shit in his review:
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"On the one hand, what the banking industry has done to this country is no laughing matter. The myriad scandals and the men who perpetrated them (it's never women) have inspired the high-minded hand-wringing of Oliver Stone's Wall Street and the outraged horror show of Charles Ferguson's Inside Job. There have been films and TV shows as different as Boiler Room, Margin Call, Arbitrage, Damages, and Woody Allen's Blue Jasmine, in which a woman's Madoff-like husband ruins her family's life. These are mostly heavy movies, even Allen's.

On the other hand, there's a certain audacity in throwing comedy at the problem. But it's all visual comedy: the opulence of such ugly, 'luded-out people in slow motion, the aerial shots of the mornings after all the fuckfests that give the impression that a massacre occurred. The sustained juxtaposition of glam rock, combat, and Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous gets you high while also making you sad and kind of sick. You laugh at Scorsese's treatment of how Belfort and his buddies treated money, people, and the law. After one narrated montage ends with a shot of a broker dead in his bathtub, DiCaprio leaves a beat and sighs, "Anyway."

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100. "No need to even read dude's review past this line:"
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>>But, the drug use was inconsequential in the movie. It
>>was almost being promoted in the movie. There weren't any
>real
>>world catastrophic consequences of using hard serious drugs.
>
>
>This is not only false, but a pointless gripe. It sounds like
>you wanted a sermon about how bad drugs are. We know drugs are
>bad. They made these people do very bad things and behave
>very, very badly.

Drugs made dude destroy property, risk his life and those of others, and ruin his family. If dude is looking for something bigger than that, um, it didn't happen in real life, so why put it in?



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95. "Don't see anything wrong with this."
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DiCaprio praises Belfort's honesty in his admission of mistakes, so it's not like he's praising what Belfort did at all.

He also praises Belfort's abilities as a motivator, and it's obvious Belfort is an exceptional public speaker and motivator.

But at this point, those who didn't like it and/or feel it's overpraised have taken to Twitter posting this video and Belfort's cameo at film's end as some sort of examples of Leo/Marty admiring Belfort's crimes. When, yknow, that's not the case at all, clearly.

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96. "It undercuts the point of the final scene."
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The final scene of the movie was supposed to show how stupid and greedy people are that, even after everything Belfort has done, they keep coming to this guy's seminars in hopes of making it rich. He's still living off of people's greed.
Yet, in reality, here is Leo actually promoting the very same seminars.

Also, the guy has barely paid back any of the restitution, including the 1 million that he got from selling the rights to his memoir.

"The infamous “Wolf of Wall Street,” whose life of white collar crime is chronicled in an upcoming Martin Scorsese film collected around $1 million for the movie rights to his life story despite being ordered by a federal judge to pay $110.4 million back to the victims of his stock scams, FOX Business Network has learned.

Jordan Belfort’s attorney, Robert Begleiter, now says he’s using the money as “leverage” to craft a deal where his client might return the cash if prosecutors from the Eastern District U.S. Attorney General's office agree to substantially reduce the $110.4 million restitution ordered by Judge John Gleeson as part of Belfort’s 2003 conviction for stock fraud and money laundering."

Remorse they name is ratting out everyone working for you to get a lighter sentence and trying to leverage your way out of paying the money you stole from people.

And now we're supposed to be impressed because someone told him that he needs to give up his royalties of the movie, which there probably won't be that much of after Hollywood studio accounting has its way with the disappointing returns so far.

For a movie that supposedly decries the system that made Belfort rich and helped him get away with minimal punishment, it certainly is playing into the problems of that very system.

It's a well made, entertaining movie but let's not completely dismiss the fact that it is not working in a very gray area. To me, that's as bad as blindly saying that Marty and Leo aren't opposed to what Belfort did back in the day.

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98. "I don't need DiCaprio to condemn the man Belfort is today."
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He's spent years talking to this guy, and every interview he's done indicates that Belfort knows and freely confesses he was an awful asshole. If he feels that Belfort's remorse is sincere and thinks his motivational speeches may truly help some people, I have zero problem with Leo endorsing Belfort's current endeavors. There's no question Belfort has considerable talent as a motivator-- if he can teach people to use his Straight Line System for something helpful instead of hurtful, then great.

Or maybe it won't help people. Maybe it's just helping Belfort get more shine, and he doesn't deserve it. Cool. But he's running a legal and sober operation, and if Leo films a 30-sec endorsement of these talks, that changes my views on the film approximately zero.

Not that anything off the screen influences how I feel about what's on the screen for any movie anyway. But I reckon that's a different post. It obviously affects his Oscar chances, not that this movie was going to win anything anyway.

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110. "Upon more reflection, the issue is more execution than anything"
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The condemnation is def there. It's just not particularly well-done.

  

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143. "Haven't seen the flick...."
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but what do you think about goodfellas? Was the condemnation of those gangsters executed well?

Cause honestly, all this uproar seems to demonstrate to me that people just simply like (or are more comfortable liking) gangsters more than stock traders. None of Marty's flicks are heavy-handed in a moral condemnation sense.

  

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145. "i think people are full of shit or"
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hang around nothing but dweebs and nerds if they think SOME people watch films like Goodfellas and Wolf of Wall Street and don't come away in some form being envious of that life or thinking "it was cool" to live how they lived. or that the director is celebrating that life. it's rather naive

i heard three of the younger people walking out of the showing i was in say "man i wanna be rich" or "that was so fucn crazy. i wish i could fuck bitches at work"

i agree that Marty is neither condemning nor condoning these characters actions, but people will def come away with that feeling.

and Longo trippin'. that last scene is Belfort still conning people and that clip mr.show posted only adds fuel to the fire.

  

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146. "Well yeah, but they're obviously missing the point..."
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>hang around nothing but dweebs and nerds if they think SOME
>people watch films like Goodfellas and Wolf of Wall Street and
>don't come away in some form being envious of that life or
>thinking "it was cool" to live how they lived.

I mean, people think Tony Montana is cool too for some reason, even though he kills his best friend, wants to fuck his sister, is a raging coke addict, and ends up dead in his mid-30s as a result of about 10,000 rounds from machine guns. But, ya know, The World is Yours and shit.

Nobody is saying that some people won't come away from Goodfellas or Wolf with similarly wrong impressions, of course they will, but that's not really the point. In fact, part of the reason the first half of Goodfellas is so glamorous is specifically to show you the allure of why people are drawn to that lifestyle. But then everything eventually spirals out of control in the second half and they all come crashing down from the tightropes they're walking on.

If people watch rise & fall stories and ignore the fall, that's their fault.

>i agree that Marty is neither condemning nor condoning these
>characters actions, but people will def come away with that
>feeling.

See, I think he IS actively condemning them, he's just not being obvious about it. I feel like his depiction of Jordan Belfort is exactly how he'd depict a modern-day Devil in the flesh: a super handsome, charismatic guy tempting people with endless money, women, coke and yachts, and one by one drawing them into his sinful world of evil.

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147. "Except Leo's character didn't have a huge fall"
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Part of the point that Scorsese wanted to make was that there wasn't really much of a fall for guys like these. Whereas Henry Hill at least had to live like a shnook, Jordan still has people coming to him, hoping he can make them rich.

Scorsese said he made the movie because has made about the financial crisis. He was upset that people weren't getting taken to task for what they did. But then Jordan's fall was mostly because of his ego and drugs. I can understand not being over the top with the condemnation but I'd have liked to have seen a little more (I can't remember if there was much of any) of Kyle Chander's character being pissed that Belfort was getting off with a slap on the wrist in the plea deal that he eventually welched on.

If you want to make a movie about how the fall for these financiers wasn't enough. making a movie about the rise and fall isn't really enough (especially when, again, much of the fall was based on drugs and ego and not on the immoral practices that continue today on Wall St.)

Andrew Sarris's critique of Marty, that he's all exposition and no development, is on display in this one. There are hints that Belfort is a nice guy when he starts but not much. And once he goes to the penny stock place, he's almost immediately the Wolf. After that, we just see how crazy things got.

For me, I think Scorsese made a wildly entertaining movie, I just don't think the story was anything new and it certainly didn't feel like a film from someone who was trying to make a statement about the current financial system.

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152. "Well, that's because the character Leo was playing didn't have a big fal..."
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>Part of the point that Scorsese wanted to make was that there
>wasn't really much of a fall for guys like these. Whereas
>Henry Hill at least had to live like a shnook, Jordan still
>has people coming to him, hoping he can make them rich.
>
>Scorsese said he made the movie because has made about the
>financial crisis. He was upset that people weren't getting
>taken to task for what they did. But then Jordan's fall was
>mostly because of his ego and drugs. I can understand not
>being over the top with the condemnation but I'd have liked to
>have seen a little more (I can't remember if there was much of
>any) of Kyle Chander's character being pissed that Belfort was
>getting off with a slap on the wrist in the plea deal that he
>eventually welched on.
>
>If you want to make a movie about how the fall for these
>financiers wasn't enough. making a movie about the rise and
>fall isn't really enough (especially when, again, much of the
>fall was based on drugs and ego and not on the immoral
>practices that continue today on Wall St.)
>
>Andrew Sarris's critique of Marty, that he's all exposition
>and no development, is on display in this one. There are hints
>that Belfort is a nice guy when he starts but not much. And
>once he goes to the penny stock place, he's almost immediately
>the Wolf. After that, we just see how crazy things got.
>
>For me, I think Scorsese made a wildly entertaining movie, I
>just don't think the story was anything new and it certainly
>didn't feel like a film from someone who was trying to make a
>statement about the current financial system.

The film is as much a condemnation of the CULTURE that in many ways encourages and enables the Jordan Belforts of the world as it is a condemnation of Belfort himself.

It's easy make a movie criticizing one shitty individual, but in this film's eyes basically EVERYONE is culpable for the state we're in. The movie says the industry is rigged, the people operating in the industry are con men, the materialistic, wealth-obsessed public is along for the ride if they think there's some money in it for them too, and the legal system is either impotent or unwilling to crack down very hard.

The last scene was much, much more about the audience than it was about Jordan still being up to his dirty tricks or getting off with a slap on the wrist. The fact that he's still doing his thing without much punishment is just the icing on the cake.

Maybe it doesn't feel to you like a film with a statement about the finical industry because the statement it's making isn't just confined to the financial industry?

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155. "I just didn't see that much condemnation"
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I mean, who walked out of Wolf of Wall Street thinking, "Things need to change!" or even "This system is broken." And I doubt ANYONE walked out thinking, "I'm part of the problem."

If Marty was pissed off and wanted things to change and made this movie because of it, he failed on the message level because the people who got it already knew it and the people who didn't get it were the ones that needed to know.

And trying to condemn the system without showing the victims makes things VERY difficult and personally, I don't think this film pulled it off.


>The film is as much a condemnation of the CULTURE that in many
>ways encourages and enables the Jordan Belforts of the world
>as it is a condemnation of Belfort himself.

I don't feel like the film condemned the culture as much as just showed the culture and was like, "Boy, this is pretty wrong, right?" It preached to the choir and the fascination with the drugs and the girls and the flamboyance also takes the focus off the bottom line that how these guys are making their money is horribly immoral.

I thought Margin Call said more about the culture in single monologues than this movie did in three hours.


>The last scene was much, much more about the audience than it
>was about Jordan still being up to his dirty tricks or getting
>off with a slap on the wrist. The fact that he's still doing
>his thing without much punishment is just the icing on the
>cake.

Obviously. Which is why I think Leo going out and promoting these seminars completely undercuts the message of that last scene IMO.

>Maybe it doesn't feel to you like a film with a statement
>about the finical industry because the statement it's making
>isn't just confined to the financial industry?

It's not making any statement that hasn't been made before; it's just making it in a comedy, which is new. But for all of the credit it gets, it didn't really use the conventions of comedy to make a bigger statement, it just shows crazy shit that a bad guy did but makes sure to remind you he's an asshole.

I liked the movie but as a statement movie, it's not very strong.

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158. "I literally thought those exact things."
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>I mean, who walked out of Wolf of Wall Street thinking,
>"Things need to change!" or even "This system is broken." And
>I doubt ANYONE walked out thinking, "I'm part of the problem."

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148. "you wrote hell of a lot to basically agree with me, also"
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I don't believe in sin. fucking women, doing drugs, and being a general asshole are not evil things to me, or many other people, no matter how much SOME may wanna pretend they are.

fucking over thousands of people while you get ridiculously rich with your boys and than hardly have any repercussions THAT's fucked up and "evil".

Also "the fall" tends to be overstated in people's analysis of many movies. In GoodFellas Henry aint repenting or looking at his past transgressions with a new "eye", he's mad/upset he's just another fucn square. In Wolf, the scene with the FBI agent alludes to "being the good humble guy" gets you riding the train with all the other commoners. Belfort is still making money conning people with "motivational speeches".

  

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153. "Ha, yeah I guess that's what I did."
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>I don't believe in sin. fucking women, doing drugs, and being
>a general asshole are not evil things to me, or many other
>people, no matter how much SOME may wanna pretend they are.

I'm with you on that. But Scorsese obviously believes in sin, and I believe that the vision he puts forth in the movie is definitely one he believes is deeply sinful. That's why I disagree that he's taking an objective stance that neither condoning nor condemning the behavior.

>fucking over thousands of people while you get ridiculously
>rich with your boys and than hardly have any repercussions
>THAT's fucked up and "evil".

Definitely. Not sure who said any of that WASN'T evil though. The movie doesn't.

>Also "the fall" tends to be overstated in people's analysis of
>many movies. In GoodFellas Henry aint repenting or looking at
>his past transgressions with a new "eye", he's mad/upset he's
>just another fucn square. In Wolf, the scene with the FBI
>agent alludes to "being the good humble guy" gets you riding
>the train with all the other commoners. Belfort is still
>making money conning people with "motivational speeches".

Well, I agree that the "fall" is handled differently in those two movies, which is what makes them more interesting to me. The case of Wolf, the lack of a real fall is kind of the whole point. THAT's what he's mad about. That's why I see that last scene much more as a deep condemnation of the audience (the audience in a broad sense) than a statement of, hey, look, Belfort is still getting money.

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159. "See...I see it in the opposite way."
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It's more like geeks and dweebs are the ones who watch these movies and wish they were joe pesci/leo de cap....

There's a guy around my area that is the tuffest dude around. He does WHATEVER the fuck he wants WHENEVER he wants. i seen this guy slap dudes repeatedly while making them apologize...all that type of stuff. Everyone's scared of him cause he makes them fearful. I'm just lucky that I never got on his badside but if I did? Trust me....I wouldn't be standing up to him. 5 months ago he got shot in a barbershop and now he's in a wheelchair.

  

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160. "And another thing"
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There was a juxtaposition between the nerd/dweeb objective observance with the highly appealing hotchick subject for almost the entire movie. If you wanted to be one of those guys then you ARE a nerd. It was Scorcese's 'Revenge of the Nerds'. That's what it was about. Nerds getting laid.

  

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173. "fair point"
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97. "L.A. Times article with quotes from Marty and Terence Winter"
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I no longer care about whatever arguments we're trying to have about the movie. Never really cared in the first place.

Also of note, Terence Winter also wrote the 50 Cent movie, "Get Rich or Die Tryin'"

>'Wolf of Wall Street's' excess, corruption hit a nerve

Martin Scorsese's 'The Wolf of Wall Street' with Leonardo DiCaprio caps a year of movies on the excesses of capitalism, spurring talk about whether it glamorizes a depraved swindler. Scorsese says no.

By Mark Olsen
January 1, 2014, 6:00 a.m.

Martin Scorsese's "The Wolf of Wall Street" hit at the end of 2013 like a contraption that is part stun gun and part paintball, jolting audiences and critics with its brash splatter of sex, drugs, greed and the amorality of wanton excess.

Just under three hours, the film is based on the book of the same title by Jordan Belfort, detailing how he used brazen stock manipulation schemes to inflate prices while fleecing investors. Belfort, played in the film by Leonardo DiCaprio in a performance equal parts charismatic and despotic, served 22 months in federal prison for money laundering and securities fraud.

Even for those who like it, the film's relentless style can be overwhelming, exhausting and disturbing. This has led to much discussion in reviews and social media as to whether it glorifies someone who acknowledges swindling millions of dollars from working people and the ultra-rich alike while leading a life of depraved excess.

Does the film stake out an appropriately dim position on Belfort the character or does it somehow let him off the hook? Does showing such extreme deviant behavior in a movie somehow romanticize and glamorize it?

"I've been getting that since 'Mean Streets,' that question," Scorsese said during a recent interview in Los Angeles a few days before the film's Christmas Day opening. "By the time 'Goodfellas' came around that became the big question. All I know is that if you don't show it, it's not going to go away."

By unleashing a ferocious film like "The Wolf of Wall Street" into the often safe environs of year-end prestige films, Scorsese provided an electric jolt of shock and ambiguity. At 71, Scorsese's ability to provoke and willingness to take creative risks make him a filmmaker who remains vibrant and even a bit dangerous.

Adapted by Terence Winter, creator of the HBO series "Boardwalk Empire," the film's hurtling energy comes straight from the spirited language and blinkered point-of-view of Belfort's book. A breathless accounting of sales, sex and rampant drug use that charges past the damage left behind, it's fun until it's not, as the story's rowdy exuberance smashes into something darker.

Winter first began work on the script in 2007, and in his research, he had the real Belfort give a motivational speech to gathered Hollywood assistants and young agents to witness his command of a room. (Scorsese himself did not meet Belfort until he played a small role at the tail-end of the film's production.) The director admits it took him years to come around to finally making the film, which makes it all the more uncanny that "The Wolf of Wall Street" provides something of the final cannon blast for the recurring themes central to so many films in 2013.

From Baz Luhrmann's "The Great Gatsby," which also starred DiCaprio, to Sofia Coppola's "The Bling Ring," Harmony Korine's "Spring Breakers," Michael Bay's "Pain & Gain," Paul Greengrass' "Captain Phillips," Ridley Scott's "The Counselor" and Woody Allen's "Blue Jasmine," film after film in 2013 examined in one way or another America and its discontents, the gross excesses of unfettered capitalism and the resulting class divisions, along with the spiritual malaise and bleak psychology that seem endemic to a focus on mass consumption.

"This is about a way of thinking that has been nurtured in our culture," Scorsese said of the cold-blooded acquisitiveness that runs through "Wolf," noting that it was his own "frustration and a kind of anger" that finally pushed him to make the film.

"When I was growing up, I don't remember being told that America was created so that everyone could get rich," Scorsese said. "I remember being told it was about opportunity and the pursuit of happiness. Not happiness itself, but the pursuit. In the past 35 years the value has become rich at all costs."

Reviews for the film have been generally positive, and it has created a firestorm of discussion online. But it still managed only fifth place in last weekend's box office race, notably landing behind the fizzy razzle-dazzle of David O. Russell's "American Hustle." The audience survey service CinemaScore gave "Wolf" a ranking of C, underlining the film's divisive, love-it-or-hate-it nature.

"You take away what you want to take away from the story and the end of it," said Winter. "There will be a certain amount of people who want to be Jordan Belfort and people who want to string Jordan up from a lamppost."

Asked to summarize what "Wolf" might have to say about the cultural moment right now, Winter said, "We never learn anything and things don't change."

"Wolf" was the last film screened for many critics groups and awards bodies, with some potential voters scrambling to see it or even missing it before balloting. It was nevertheless named one of the top films of the year by the American Film Institute and received two Golden Globe nominations, including best picture in the comedy or musical category. (Whether "The Wolf of Wall Street" should be considered a comedy is a subject of a debate all its own).

Scorsese, who won the Oscar for best director with "The Departed," is no stranger to controversy, of course, from "Taxi Driver" to "The Last Temptation of Christ." His previous feature "Hugo" was a 3-D children's story rated PG — "Parental Guidance. You never know what cinema can do to people. They have to be guided," he joked — but with "Wolf" the pendulum has swung back hard in the opposite direction.

The film repeatedly tops its own most over-the-top moments: drugs go into, out of and off of various body parts, the sex gets kinky and a character played by Jonah Hill pleasures himself in the middle of a crowded party. In the film's most outrageous sequence, DiCaprio and Hill gobble Quaaludes to the point of losing basic motor skills. And with all that, the film is rated R.

"It really wasn't a fight," said producer Emma Tillinger Koskoff of the film's rating from the MPAA. She added, "I don't know how we got away with it, but I'm glad that we did."

Scorsese referred to a moment between Belfort and FBI agent Patrick Denham (played by Kyle Chandler) onboard Belfort's yacht as the key scene in the film for him, turning on a sense of manipulation, nuance of language and wary uncertainty of intention. In one of the few moments in the film that exists outside the consciousness of Belfort, Chandler's FBI agent is riding the subway home after bringing Belfort down.

It is a quiet, simple moment in a film of loud flourishes. Underscoring it is a version of the song "Mrs. Robinson" with an emphasis on the line "Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you." The scene seems to ask, is this what an honest life gets you?

"That's interesting to me," Scorsese said of the scene that shifts emphasis to the lawman. "Jordan's been put away, so what? What's going to change? So does (Denham) stop doing what he does? No. He'll go on. Does he ever have a doubt about what he's doing? I wonder. I'm not sure. It's all part of the struggle of life. What we have to accept is the struggle.

"How long do you think these guys are going to last, living like that?" he added. "It's like 'Goodfellas,' do you want to be like Henry Hill? There's a price to pay for everything. You don't get it for free in this life. You don't. And if it means riding on the subway, bless it. There are other values in life."

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101. " Best Movie of 2013 easily."
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103. "Most entertaining film of 2013"
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LOVED IT. LEO DA GAWD CRUSH THE MOTHERFUCKING BUILDINGS!

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105. "question (SPOILERS)"
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what are we to take from the scene of Kyle Chandler's FBI agent taking the F train home, solemnly looking around at his fellow passengers?

I've heard a few people say it's him, slightly resigned to his humble fate, realizing that these people need him to keep "fighting the good fight."

but I initially saw it as him realizing that Jordan was maybe right - he was a chump for playing it straight and skipping the Wall Street gold rush.

  

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106. "From the LA Times story Zoo posted."
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"It is a quiet, simple moment in a film of loud flourishes. Underscoring it is a version of the song "Mrs. Robinson" with an emphasis on the line "Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you." The scene seems to ask, is this what an honest life gets you?

"That's interesting to me," Scorsese said of the scene that shifts emphasis to the lawman. "Jordan's been put away, so what? What's going to change? So does (Denham) stop doing what he does? No. He'll go on. Does he ever have a doubt about what he's doing? I wonder. I'm not sure. It's all part of the struggle of life. What we have to accept is the struggle."


I doubt Denham ever considered doing what Jordan did because he was screwing people over and was a fraud. I don't think "Maybe I should have been a criminal" really crossed his mind.

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107. "Marty articulates it perfectly. Fantastic moment too."
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As someone stuck for years in the trenches teaching public school, I've had that moment many a time.

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112. "The Lemonhead Mrs Robinson was one of the film's only missteps"
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that & the Foo Fighters cut on the boat.

Marty's getting a little old, 90's music might not be his bag.

  

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114. "Sheeeit, I thought that Everlong cue was FLAWLESS."
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That quick hit of joy, with the lyrical hint of the foreboding future-- followed by a SUPER quick fade and a hop to eighteen months later, where things are shit on the home front.

Hilarious, awesome, perfect.

I dug the Lemonheads selection too. The kick into the chorus with Nicky rebelling in the agency's arms right as it escalated was delightful. Though I wouldn't defend that choice with the passion I would the Everlong.

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115. "It's a Foo Fighter song. Shit was corny even before the lyrical link"
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that's a little too 'on the nose'/obvious anyway for the guy who made the wordless Layla reprise synonymous with Frankie Carbone hanging in a meat wagon or set the Billy Bats' beatdown to the seemingly incongruous but in the end perfect deployment of 'Atlantis' by Donovan.

Foo Fighters?

No.

If they needed to have something that puts you into 1997, 'Luccini' or 'Around The World' or 'Karma Police' by Radiohead all would have been more effective & less of an eyesore on Scorsese's usually flawless song selection.

And I don't know what the thought process was for diiging up Evan Dando's version of "Mrs Robinson'/etc but you could have used almost antything else there.

  

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116. "I dug the corny music"
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It felt right, like it is exactly the type of cornball shit these assholes would think exemplified living life to the fullest. When dude is rolling on that yacht, it's not cool. It's cringe-worthy. And the music reflects that.

Belfort wasn't worthy of Camp Lo even at his best. If you're looking for any condemnation from Scorsese, there you go.

The Mrs Robinson playing over the trial scene was the only time it felt too disconnected to me. Just felt sloppy on a visceral level, and not fun-sloppy like much of the movie had been

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119. "wasnt it era relevant too? why those songs were used I mean"
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>It felt right, like it is exactly the type of cornball shit
>these assholes would think exemplified living life to the
>fullest. When dude is rolling on that yacht, it's not cool.
>It's cringe-worthy. And the music reflects that.
>
>Belfort wasn't worthy of Camp Lo even at his best. If you're
>looking for any condemnation from Scorsese, there you go.
>
>The Mrs Robinson playing over the trial scene was the only
>time it felt too disconnected to me. Just felt sloppy on a
>visceral level, and not fun-sloppy like much of the movie had
>been

  

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120. "Overall it felt less era-conscious than I expected"
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At some point he upgraded from the pager to the cell phone, but it was rare that I noticed stuff like that. They still play Baby Got Back at wedding receptions and probably will for the next 500 years. It felt like it all could've happened last year. Maybe that was the point?

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137. "if that was the point tho it sorta misses with a forgotten cover"
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of a 55-year-old Simon & Garfunkel song.

However if it was the characters jamming along to 'Everlong', like the Mix-a-Lot in the wedding montage or the Romeo Void at the big party earlier, that's all good.

But if it's Marty sliding in a Foo cut with further 'theme' lyrics overtop the images in a movie that already has a narrator thinking he's giving us that good-good, then no thanks.

  

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133. "RE: I dug the corny music"
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>It felt right, like it is exactly the type of cornball shit
>these assholes would think exemplified living life to the
>fullest. When dude is rolling on that yacht, it's not cool.
>It's cringe-worthy. And the music reflects that.
>
Then why the more typical 'Scorsese music' elsewhere?

Marty is 70.

He prolly knows Grohl.

He likely actually considers the Foo Fighters cool as far as contemporary bands go.


>Belfort wasn't worthy of Camp Lo even at his best. If you're
>looking for any condemnation from Scorsese, there you go.
>
>The Mrs Robinson playing over the trial scene was the only
>time it felt too disconnected to me. Just felt sloppy on a
>visceral level, and not fun-sloppy like much of the movie had
>been

Both were terrible but minor complaints for a film this long.

  

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122. "It was borderline Zemeckis"
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For some reason Everlong jumped out to me as well. I didn't hate it but for some reason it seemed out of place (yet on the nose) to me as well.

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138. "*gulp* 'borderline Zemeckis' sounds brutal but we're on the same page"
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150. "Zemeckis would've played "I'm on a Boat.""
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Or he would've changed the name of the girl to the name of a girl from a famous song in which the relationship grows poisonous.

Borderline Zemeckis is unfair. It's in the same sport as Zemeckis, maybe even the same division, but not the same ballpark much less down and inches.

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169. "LOL, I got u."
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>Or he would've changed the name of the girl to the name of a
>girl from a famous song in which the relationship grows
>poisonous.
>
>Borderline Zemeckis is unfair. It's in the same sport as
>Zemeckis, maybe even the same division, but not the same
>ballpark much less down and inches.

  

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123. "Ah, so you want your own little nerdass selections in as Scorcese movie"
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>
>If they needed to have something that puts you into 1997,
>'Luccini' or 'Around The World' or 'Karma Police' by Radiohead
>all would have been more effective & less of an eyesore on
>Scorsese's usually flawless song selection.
>

I'm surprised you didn't say Jon spencer blues explosion lol

  

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135. "no, I named examples for the fuck of it, I don't particularly care"
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what songs a PA or younger family members would have grabbed instead and would have worked better.

The point was find a couple better than these two shitty & cringeworthy/crowbarred-in/old-man-attempts at 90's rock.

I haven't spoken with a music nerd (of which Martin Scorsese is but the man *is* 70) of my or the lead character's generation that's felt those worked.

  

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162. "The lemonheads were awesome."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NofWFKSMiM4

  

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167. "I can't say awesome but they had a few cuts, this ain't about them tho"
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it's more about Scorsese using their jangly-sped-up-early-90s-cover of a Simon & Garfunkel movie-song for the apex of this film.

  

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124. "I was fine with on-the-nose. 5 secs of nineties opulent optimism..."
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... then POW! New title card, silence, and a smack of home life reality.

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136. "u also kind of dig those late 90's rock corn (no pun) due to it"
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being some of the earliest stuff you were introduced to or old enough to be aware of at the time, correct?

(sorta going back to that old GD post from last year).

that might color it a bit for you, as might my disdain for so much of it.

  

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149. "Maaaan, I think Everlong is different from that."
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It's not The Way or Closing Time or what have you.

But I also just like the Foo Fighters on the whole. So maybe you're in the ballpark.

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168. "marginally, then again I've never really bought Grohl as a frontman"
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To me his legendary rock status is pretty much based on association, being a nice/hard-working/appreciative guy & there just not being hardly any genuine rock stars to exist in the past decade or two.

I'm willing to admit at least part of that is likely generational.

  

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170. "Word."
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111. "that was fun. Leo's a wild dude."
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I couldn't handle that Lemmon ludes scene. That shit had my abs in all types of pain from laughing.

and Margot Robbie...what a sight.

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113. "Best Flick Of '13. Better Than Casino. Not Better Than GFellas but c'mon"
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What is?

This shit was exhilaratingly directed & acted.

Three hours that went quickly.

The backlash isn't even worth addressing, just say you don't get it or didn't watch it, I"d rather save the outrage for the actual corporate whoring apologist Wall Street that continues unabated with/without this movie or even this movie's subject.

  

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125. "I think I literally hate you for saying this is better than Casino"
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>What is?
>
>This shit was exhilaratingly directed & acted.
>
>Three hours that went quickly.
>
>The backlash isn't even worth addressing, just say you don't
>get it or didn't watch it, I"d rather save the outrage for the
>actual corporate whoring apologist Wall Street that continues
>unabated with/without this movie or even this movie's
>subject.

  

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134. "Goodfellas is my favorite film of all-time, as a result I guess I don't"
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harbor any romantic notions for Casino's status, it was good but essentially Marty going back to the well and not as well.

Saw it the day it opened & many times since, it had some memorable moments & ratcheted up the violence/sex/vice/etc but left out most of the great-dialogue/humor/heart/lived-in feel of its superior blueprint film.

Almost like the gap between New York City versus Vegas as cities themselves.

While we're talking about Goodfellas knockoffs, I like Bronx Tale better than Casino too.

At least Wolf while cut from similar cloth was at least a slightly different type of world, source material & had different actors with Leo's performance in this besting anybody in Casino without any hesitation.

Casino's best performance was Sharon Stone's bid for artistic credibility via busting her ass to be biggest cunt anyone's ever watched on film before.

Props to her, she might have pulled that off too but even if so it's not in the same hemisphere as what Leo did here.

  

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140. "Goodfellas is my favorite movie of all time, but"
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you gots way too much hyperbole and smartness for me to even talk to you. I be out.

  

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141. "peace n/m"
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>you gots way too much hyperbole and smartness for me to even
>talk to you. I be out.

  

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142. "I agree with you here..Casino felt like BluePrint 2 "
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while Wolf feels like a proper follow up or equal to GoodFellas

>harbor any romantic notions for Casino's status, it was good
>but essentially Marty going back to the well and not as well.
>
>Saw it the day it opened & many times since, it had some
>memorable moments & ratcheted up the violence/sex/vice/etc but
>left out most of the great-dialogue/humor/heart/lived-in feel
>of its superior blueprint film.
>
>Almost like the gap between New York City versus Vegas as
>cities themselves.
>
>While we're talking about Goodfellas knockoffs, I like Bronx
>Tale better than Casino too.
>
>At least Wolf while cut from similar cloth was at least a
>slightly different type of world, source material & had
>different actors with Leo's performance in this besting
>anybody in Casino without any hesitation.
>
>Casino's best performance was Sharon Stone's bid for artistic
>credibility via busting her ass to be biggest cunt anyone's
>ever watched on film before.
>
>Props to her, she might have pulled that off too but even if
>so it's not in the same hemisphere as what Leo did here.

  

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144. "i agree about Casino "
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i still think it's a very good film

but for me one of the worst parts of it is too much voice over

and very nice point about the dialogue/humor/plot of GF vs Casino and relating that to the two cities. #smartical

  

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117. "LEO WAS WYLIN'"
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What amazing, unhinged performances. I was having so much fun that I didn't notice the runtime until maybe the last 20 minutes. Is that because those scenes were weaker, or just more sober?

I was either laughing or completely aghast (or some combination of the two) pretty much the entire time. Very entertaining.

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127. "So was the entire movie a sales pitch?"
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Does that explain the use of voiceover? Or the incriminating details that get glossed over? Or how about that very last shot? Is that supposed to be us, sitting there in his seminar looking like a bunch of rubes?

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128. "Its no different from GoodFellas regarding POV structure"
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130. "Maybe 'explain' was the wrong word"
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I'm just considering it as a framing device for the film that may or not actually be there

Same with Henry Hill's turning snitch, I suppose. It's a confession you have to take with a grain of salt

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131. "I've also considered the film as a Richie Rich comic book adaptation"
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I don't get to the movies too often these days, so to maximize my entertainment dollar sometimes I play them back in my head with completely different contexts.

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132. "It reminds me of Alan Moore's run on Richie Rich"
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Wouldn't that be great if that was a thing?

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139. "Thanks."
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I just tore my achilles tendon sprinting to the comic shop

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129. "Can't believe the fucking Arby's Detective is in a movie"
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I know he's a real guy, but fuck him.

Loved the movie, though. First time I've ever really been blown away by a Jonah Hill performance, and that includes Moneyball. I think I'd have to put it just behind Aviator on the Leo/Marty list, though.

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157. "might be in the minority here"
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but the story was incredibly boring for all the sex + drugs. the acting was great, visually it was cool, but I never felt like I wanted Leo to win or lose & the whole FBI angle never felt like it was that serious.

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171. "not alone, echo's my feelings"
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175. "yea ppl in here acting like this movie was flawless or best of 2013"
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are doing a lil much
good movie but there were a couple of gaps , especially considering that the movie was long as shit
the multiple iterations of pointless orgy scenes could have been distributed to the FBI plot line or something imo
overall i liked it though, probably in my top 3-5 of the year

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179. "you arent"
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>but the story was incredibly boring for all the sex + drugs.
>the acting was great, visually it was cool, but I never felt
>like I wanted Leo to win or lose & the whole FBI angle never
>felt like it was that serious.

reading about elementary
made me realize
this schtick has been done before
and so often
by scorcese himself at that
i think i was expecting the next iteration
the next level
some exposition of character
there was so little there that it became downright boring
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184. "If we're going to grade it as a movie, it was awful"
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If we're going to grade it as a rap music video, it was one of the higher quality ones that I've seen.

But as far as having an actual story? A message?

Here - I'll save you 3 hours. Rich people are really just all assholes, and although they might have a lot of money now they'll get greedy and eventually it will bite them in the ass. You should feel good about being poor because eventually it's smarts that count, and we all know that poor people are secretly smarter than rich people because rich people will get overconfident and overplay their hand.

By the way, here's a bunch of titties and funny jokes. Now, can I have my award nominations please?

  

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164. "If there's ever a columbo remake kyle chandler would be"
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perfect. It was nice seeing coach back on screen and the scene on the yacht was very columbo-esque. Also great flick

  

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165. "Crazy. Chandler is 9 years older than Falk was..."
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when he started playing Columbo. Falk was only 41 when he started that role. On the other side of the spectrum, Jim Parsons from Big Bang Theory is 41.

But great call. I can see him scratching his head and playing dumb. "Well, explain this to me..."

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178. "never watched columbo like that"
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>when he started playing Columbo. Falk was only 41 when he
>started that role. On the other side of the spectrum, Jim
>Parsons from Big Bang Theory is 41.
>
>But great call. I can see him scratching his head and playing
>dumb. "Well, explain this to me..."

but yes that would be interesting and yes wild about the ages
and sheesh Jim
but then i'm turning 40 in two days
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166. "Sell me this pen."
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I.......................FUCKING.... LOVE THIS MOVIE.
Leo and Jonah Hill are champions, goddammit.
This movie took me high, it took me low. It swung me around from one end of the room to the next.
That paraplegic scene (overdosing on ludes from '81)... fucking brilliant, and funny.......goddamn I laughed like a schoolgirl.
The popeye cartoon being shown in conjuction. lol
Funniest movie from 2013 I've seen.

The nudity/sex scenes weren't as raunchy and perverse as I thought they would be. Sure, this movie is chock full of titties & ass, but its not really over-the-top (in a way that would warrant an NC-17 rating).
Not for the bashful, tho.
The drugs were definitely done in more excess than the fucking.
And for all the whining that some unintelligent, insecure viewer or critic has in regards to the portrayal of the protag: it is a dark movie, INTENDED to show us how this particular person actually lived.
It aint "Pursuit of Happyness" or "The Green Mile".

What a piece of shit Jordan was,...but goddamn what a ride. He could sell you a steaming pile of hog shit, and you'd swear it was gold.
I thoroughly enjoyed his speeches/ monologues/ lectures (whatever you wanna call them).
It was neccessary and full of adrenaline. Didactic talking usually bores me, but I wanted to hear more of Jordan's battle growls.
All of the characters were engaging. No, I didn't say upstanding citizens that we all should admire. I said engaging. Entertaining even. I wouldn't mind being at one of their parties.
3 hours of power.

Crown Martin. CROWN THAT MUTHAFUCKA!

  

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172. "Liked it, but can't believe people giving classic status to this already"
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For following a similar structure of rise to riches with some narration from a character who is bad and good at the same time gimme Casino over this everyday (and goodfellas too but that's a given)

someone said this above, but the FBI never felt like a real threat, or a threat I cared about, which is a shame because the scene on the yacht was fantastic, needed more chandler vs leo

had some really funny moments, especially Leo crawling to his car, that scene was great, Mccounaghy was amazing, Jonah had some funny moments, especially at the pool party...

Definitely a good, fun film, enjoyed the script from Winter a lot, but as a whole, very little desire to sit through that for 3 hours again




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183. "Yeah, exactly how I felt"
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I think the backlash made people want to like it more than they actually did.

  

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174. "For those that read the book"
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how much jail time did the others involved with the company get?

  

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181. "It's been awhile, but..."
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I don't think they really got into it in the book. In fact, they really didn't get too into Jordan getting caught either...there's a second book but I didn't read it.

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176. "Boiler Room told the story from the average broker perspective"
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I know it was a weak ass flick trying to be all "hip hop stocks" and Affleck trying to be Baldwin in GGR, but it showed a small glimpse of Belfort
(the boss in BR was based on him)
The dude in WoWS that gets chumped for cleaning his fish bowl on new issue day, to me that was Ribisi's character in BR
It dragged at the end but like someone said it's Goodfellas with stocks. Belfort reduced to motivational speaking is his "I get to live like a schnook" ending

  

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177. "Eh too long"
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Not entertaining enough for the hoopla
Way over blown
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180. "too fuckin' long"
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1/2 way through checkout

  

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182. "I expected more titties"
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Loved it tho.

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185. "i left the theathre wanting to call a hooker...no lie"
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186. "Blue chip, NASDAQs, or pink sheets (penny stocks) skank?"
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188. "My drive home, i was afraid i was gonna get pulled over"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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187. "4 hour cut featuring more swearing and sex coming to Blu! *swipe*"
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http://collider.com/the-wolf-of-wall-street-extended-cut-4-hours/#more-308888

THE WOLF OF WALL STREET Blu-ray/DVD to Include an Extended Cut with an Extra Hour of Sex and Swearing


When Steve interviewed Martin Scorsese‘s longtime editor Thelma Schoonmaker for The Wolf of Wall Street, she revealed that the assembly cut (i.e., the editor’s first cut of the picture) was about four hours long, and while a lot of people “loved it” at that length, it was too long meet the distribution demands of the studio, which capped out at three hours (the final cut was 179 minutes). They were able to reach their target not by cutting out whole scenes, but by trimming down what they had. Today, we’ve learned that the four-hour cut will be released on Blu-ray and DVD. Producers Joey McFarland and Riza Aziz say that while the most extreme moments remained in the final cut, there will be more uses of the word “fuck” (the movie already holds the record at 506, which is still 231 less than in Jordan Belfort’s memoir) and the sex scenes will run slightly longer.

Hit the jump for more. The Wolf of Wall Street will be released on Blu-ray and DVD in the spring.

Talking to the Daily Mail at the Directors Guild Awards, McFarland says “I think we are going to have some good surprises to be honest with you the movie is not much different in its longer form, it’s just longer versions of scenes.”

While I enjoyed The Wolf of Wall Street, I’m not sure how another hour of sex and swearing will make the film more enjoyable. At some point, it’s likely to be exhausting, and perhaps the distribution demands requiring the film come in at less than three hours (it was 179 minutes) worked to the finished product’s benefit. However, I’ll admit to being curious about how the longer version compares to the theatrical release.

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189. "Leo is a fucking beast."
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My man went full retard.

Didn't know it was going to be as funny as it turned out to be.

The 179-minute duration didn't even feel like it.

Leo and Scorsese need to do everything together.

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190. "Ummm. This is Scorcese's best film ever. Like, easily. "
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You guys have terrible, terrible, taste.

THIS is EASILY the best film of 2013, by about 47 miles
and is THOUSANDS of fucking times better than bullshit
ass 'The Departed'

Fuck is wrong with y'all?

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191. "I really wanna know why AMERICAN HUSTLE has everyone talking"
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....and WOLF has languished in this weird no award zone.

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192. "'American Hustle' and 'Wolf' aren't even in the same fucking PLANE of fi..."
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>....and WOLF has languished in this weird no award zone.

Like, one is literally AA and the other World Series

Shit is disgusting b

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193. "Right? The fuck is going on here?"
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>Like, one is literally AA and the other World Series
>
>Shit is disgusting b

For some reason there's some sort of 'Genda against this film, and I don't see any reason why. Shit was awesome.

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203. "i dont get it"
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these award folks really love David O Russell like that? or is it JLaw?

Hustle aint even a good movie really.

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224. "it's both of them"
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194. "C'mon man. These are the same niggas who shitted on Iron Fists"
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but cysed Olympus Has Fallen as being fun.

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216. "Wait. Best EVER?"
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Shit, your hate for the Departed has you saying really crazy stuff. This is better than Goodfellas? Better than Raging Bull? Word?

I looooove WOWS but cmon son.

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220. "Yes. Its his best film ever"
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>Shit, your hate for the Departed has you saying really crazy
>stuff. This is better than Goodfellas? Better than Raging
>Bull? Word?
>
>I looooove WOWS but cmon son.


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226. "Smoke some crack with me, bro!"
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<----- Long Live The King

  

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227. "that line had me dying"
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along with his eyes when he said it

  

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195. "RE:i had a tough time with this one i liked it but it is not"
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a great film. I've seen it twice. This movie should not have been 3 hours long. Probably won't watch it again.

Grade B

The Departed A
Shutter Island B+
WOWS B
The Aviator B
Gangs of New York F
The more i watched GONY the less i liked it. lol

  

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196. "^This dude just said 'Shutter Island' was better. "
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I've seen it all.

Good grief.

  

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197. "RE: ^Yes i really did enjoy that film. I caught that quite"
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a few times when it streamed on netflix.

Shutter Island has an 8.1 on imdb. Don't understand the hate it gets here. I came close to giving Wolf a B+ but after watching it again i was like naw. WOWS storywise is not very intriguing, imo.


Leo took it all off and if he had had a better looking ass lol maybe i coulld have given Wolf the B+, lol.

On a side note, Rush, is a great film about highly driven men, corporatism and there was also a little sex and drugs thrown in the mix.
Chris Hemsworth ass>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leonardo ass.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

  

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lfresh
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198. "man you know that hurt"
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>Chris Hemsworth ass>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leonardo
>ass.


but absofuckinglutely

meanwhile

WOW boring

cant be boring AND show a subpar ass
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199. "RE:WOWS didn't push the envelope at all imo Leo"
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been doing this charismatic smooth criminal/con man thing for a minute now.

Grank Abagnale, Catch me if you can
Calvin in Django Unchaimed
Cobb, Inception
The Great Gatsby
he sure is good at it and it sure has been good at the box office. This Jordan Belfort thing,however, is my least favorute of all these con men Leo has done.

This stuff Leo is doing with Marty is safe. It keeps the critics happy, it keeps the fanboys happy and it keeps the bank happy.

Leo needs to switch it up because the formula will eentually hurt his career.

  

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200. "lmao @ Leo needing career advice"
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>Leo needs to switch it up because the formula will eentually
>hurt his career.
>

You don't even believe this.

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201. "Had a lit candle pushed up his ass but that didn't push the envelope?"
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cmon ma

  

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202. "RE:As i walked out of the theater the crowd behind me was"
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pretty loud and they was like damn that shit sucked.
That candle shit,lol, was just kinda stupid, lol, man.

This was an overrated film. I am still trying to decide which was more overrated, WOWS or American Hustle

DiCaprio got an Oscar nomination, C'mon now, I like Leo but he can't get no Oscar for THIS movie.

They better give that trophy to Chiwetel.

  

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>They better give that trophy to Chiwetel.

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207. "I've seen them both twice now & it's clearly American Hustle"
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I am still trying to decide
>which was more overrated, WOWS or American Hustle

As wild as The WoWS is, it still feels like a real movie based on a true story. For a 3 hour running time it barely dragged which is an accomplishment in itself. Especially since there really isn't much a story. Hustle felt like a complete joke the 2nd time around.

>DiCaprio got an Oscar nomination, C'mon now, I like Leo but
>he can't get no Oscar for THIS movie.

This is probably the best performance I've seen from him. J-Lols nomination is the one you should really be up in arms over.

  

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209. "RE: I've seen them both twice now & it's clearly American Hustle"
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i do kinda agree i started nodding in the middle of AH, lol, Bale was on the screen but i was getting bored. smh

>
>As wild as The WoWS is, it still feels like a real movie based
>on a true story.

DO NOT GET MAD I AM NOT TRYING TO BE SNARKY i just want to explain how i feel about these Scorcese films.

You are right this did feel like a real movie and it was based on a true story. It was Belfort's story but it was not about Wall Street. Do you feel me? I feel the same way about most of these mob films Scorcese does. Yeah there are a few true things thrown in , he gets great actors in the roles, it is entertaining but overall it is bullshit.

The Godfather 1 and 2 imo the best and most accurate story about the mob.
This Scorcese stuff is largely style over substance.

How come Marty ain't made no film about Meyer Lansky? See i know what this Scorcese shit is really about.

Btw The Aviator was a whole bunch of misdirection. They did not tell you nothing about Hughes in that film.

If you like his work fine i ain't mad but Marty is a bullshitter.

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210. "I'm far from mad & not even a big Marty fan "
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>DO NOT GET MAD I AM NOT TRYING TO BE SNARKY i just want to
>explain how i feel about these Scorcese films.
>
>You are right this did feel like a real movie and it was based
>on a true story. It was Belfort's story but it was not about
>Wall Street. Do you feel me?

Yeah for such a long run time I thought there'd be more financial focus. They teased it a couple times but never broke it down. It might've made a more interesting movie. It might've been over most peoples head & bogged it down too much too. Obviously Marty figured the latter but I liked the way he had Leo explain it.

  

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228. "i was surprised that he didn't explain it"
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having gone to business school i know that explaining the law and the cons is central to the story, if that isn't explained all that they are relying on to prove that these guys are foul is their debauchery, but that goes for everyone on wall street

in goodfellas and casino everything was explained. same thing in departed.

but here, in a 3 hr movie, leo kept saying "you don't wanna hear about that" or "it doesn't matter"

  

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204. "RE:OKniggas and OKwiggas are so misogynist, lol, so"
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i am not really surprised by the responses. Not really surprised many view this as the best Leonardo/Marty collaboration.

TWOWS is one of the most misogynist films i've ee seen.

I wonder if y'all would still be giving this movie so much praise if Leo/Jordan had been using the n word about a dozen times.

lol, y'all saps.
I ain't got no more to say about this.

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205. "You're a 22 year old white girl"
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If so, I'll let your opinion off the hook.

Otherwise you and your views are a disgrace

  

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208. "RE: Fuck all this Scorcese hype Marty ain't made no"
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film better than The Godfather and The Godfather part 2.

Goodfellas tho good still ain't coming close to THEM films.

Everytime Leo/Marty team up there is this crazy buzz. You know what i am not a big Matthew M. fan but he damn sure did it last year.

The Dallas buyers Club and Mud them were some GREAT films. I did not know McConaughey had it. He damn sure did it better than Leo in 2013.

TWOWS is safe. You know it is Orbit you know what i am talking about.

  

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211. "the movie was not misogynist; the characters in it were."
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me? i'm a hard core feminist. everybody who has ever seen me post on this site for the last 14 years knows this.

with that said, I. LOVED. THIS. MOVIE. it was so completely well done...so many above have said it better so i won't detail reviewit.

this is not a work of "fiction"...Marty didn't just create these characters out of his head...this is a "this is what happened" story.

that's it.

it happened...with some artistic license, yes, but generally, the shit happened.

saying this movie is misogynist is like saying Roots or 12 Years a Slave is racist.

in a word: ridiculous.

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213. "There is zero misogynist about this movie. Zero. "
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It paints a bunch of disgusting awful men as disgusting
awful men

Like, everyone should shut the entire fuck up

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214. "I just think people expected them to 'pay' for the behavior"
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A la the gunshot back to the head, body dumped in shallow grave, super long jailtime, etc that makes these kinds of 'kingpin' movies modern day morality tales.

However the fact that it was a relatively soft fall, like they said above, is the whole point the movie existence. Like you said, its "True Life", and not a reach at all the way we treat wall street and corporate crime.

I also thought it served a point comparing white collar crime vs regular ass crime; their behavior was LOADS more repugnant (minus the murder etc) then Marty's normal gangster foils yet look what happens in the end.

  

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215. "RE: the movie was not misogynist; the characters in it were."
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>me? i'm a hard core feminist. oh no, no, no, no, no, no! Imo to be a feminist is as bad as being a misogynist. Feminism like all forms of propagand benefits nobody but the state. I am always getting into trouble here. I make what are considered to be outrageous statements and folks just think i am a loon. I stay away from us versus them philosophies.
I knew what i said would make folks on here mad, so, lol. I was not mad about the fact that wolf was so misogynist. I expected it imo the wolf is a symbol of a sexual predator. OK i am getting too deep i better stop.


everybody who has ever seen me
>post on this site for the last 14 years knows this.The feminist movement is actually a war against women. Public education is a war against children. The war on drugs is a war against black/latino men. Vegetarian versus meat eater, rich versus poor, gay versus straight all of this is bullshit. It is called divide and conquer.I can go on and on. You sure you you want me too.
>
>with that said, I. LOVED. THIS. MOVIE.
It was a solid movie but the story was not that complex or compelling. Leonardo is a very good actor. I think he has gotten in this safe zone, playing these slick criminals. I think he has the range to do more diverse roles. But you know how it is the studios want that money.


it was so completely
>well done...so many above have said it better so i won't
>detail review it.
>
>this is not a work of "fiction"...Marty didn't just create
>these characters out of his head...this is a "this is what
>happened" story.
>
>that's it.
>
>it happened...with some artistic license, yes, but generally,
>the shit happened.
I know this shit happens. The upper classes have always done this shit. Decadence, drugs and homo fratboy behavior. I am no hater.I will never understand why a dude would want to stick a candle up his behind,lol, i just can't make sense of that.....nevermind



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217. "interesting"
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>to be a feminist is as bad as being a misogynist. Feminism
>like all forms of propagand benefits nobody but the state. I
>am always getting into trouble here.

to me, that statement means that you don't understand the true spirit of feminism. that's ok because most people get it wrong. I understand.


I make what are
>considered to be outrageous statements and folks just think i
>am a loon. I stay away from us versus them philosophies.
>I knew what i said would make folks on here mad

just because we are disagreeing with you does not make us angry

you are just wrong. LOL

>
>everybody who has ever seen me
>>post on this site for the last 14 years knows this.The
>feminist movement is actually a war against women.

lol no it isn't. it's about women's freedom from oppression, subjugation, discrimination and control by the patriarchy. like i said above, you CLEARLY don't understand the ideas behind feminism.


Public
>education is a war against children.

in its current form in the US, yes. but the idea of public education is a fantastic one...we are just executing it badly.

The war on drugs is a
>war against black/latino men.

ok finally, you got something right


>>with that said, I. LOVED. THIS. MOVIE.
>It was a solid movie but the story was not that complex or
>compelling

true, but that doesn't make the movie any less great in my opinion. Sometimes the simplest, most basic shit is high entertaining.

>I know this shit happens. The upper classes have always done
>this shit. Decadence, drugs and homo fratboy behavior. I
>am no hater.I will never understand why a dude would want to
>stick a candle up his behind,lol, i just can't make sense of
>that.....nevermind

i hear you. the visual representation of those things are generally a turnoff to most. However, the ability to move through your own personal feelings about what went on in the film and view it as a performance overall...to take a macro view of it...its a pretty brilliant piece of art. the direction,the editing, the score, the 100% commitment of the actors, the brazen and inspired (and mostly improvised) performances they gave...

sometimes to truly appreciate art, we have to separate ourselves from it...it's kind of like that concept of something being tragically beautiful..wto diametrically opposed ideas existing in the same space...

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222. "here, im going to call you names"
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you are fucn stupid

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221. "Thank you."
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218. "This was Casino all over again."
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Great performances in a series of set pieces that never really comes together as a story. Entertaining but overlong.

Unlike most people here I really didn't find Leo's character unlikable. Kind of like Henry hills character in goodfellas in that you never really saw him do real dirt that directly hurts someone. But then maybe I'm just a sociopath.

I will say that this movie got me angrier than any other movie I've seen in a long time. Steal all that money and only do 3 years. His country is solo f'd up. Scorsese doesn't glorify that life, being a wall street huckster is a glorious life!


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219. "Thousands of times better than the dogshit that was 'Casino'"
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>Great performances in a series of set pieces that never
>really comes together as a story. Entertaining but overlong.
>
>Unlike most people here I really didn't find Leo's character
>unlikable. Kind of like Henry hills character in goodfellas
>in that you never really saw him do real dirt that directly
>hurts someone. But then maybe I'm just a sociopath.
>
>I will say that this movie got me angrier than any other movie
>I've seen in a long time. Steal all that money and only do 3
>years. His country is solo f'd up. Scorsese doesn't glorify
>that life, being a wall street huckster is a glorious life!

Like, thousands of times better


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223. "hey captain exageration"
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225. "I don't know about thousands... but probably hundreds at least."
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I've seen Casino since I first saw it approximately zero times.

I've seen Wolf of Wall Street six times in the last three months.

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229. "how did this movie not glamorize the wolf?"
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three quarters of the way through the movie i'm thinking to myself "what's the downside to all of this"

and maybe the answer is that there isn't one

i totally bought the mcdonald's speech and the idea of a bunch of losers getting together and bilking wealthy people. if you have 10k to throw at some stock that a stranger cold calls you with i have a hard time feeling pity if you lose your shirt.

i have to believe that if you asked anyone living in poverty to do 3 years in prison in exchange for $50million and all the drugs and sex you could imagine every last one would say yes

  

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230. "that's the great part about it to me"
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it's a mirror held up to our wealth-obsessed culture. and shows on full display how corrupt and unbalanced our criminal justice system is.

the real Jordan Belfort will never pay back what's owed to any of the people he fucked over and will live the rest of his life in upper class comfort.

we've created an unsustainable financial system that's fueling a plutocracy and the collective reaction of the country is little more than a shrug.

  

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236. "what about the corruption and imbalance in the capitalist system?"
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to say that the culture is wealth obsessed is to imply that there is some other goal when our culture is based on the illusion of wealth acquisition and upward mobility.

in my opinion the film exposed that. there's no honest side of wall street, but we pretend one group is a bunch of rogues and all the banks too big to fail are virtuous. it allows the poor to pretend they won't owe the bank when they die and the hamster wheel continues to churn.


  

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235. "If you think that was "glamour," then YOU have awful priorities"
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Because to the rest of us, we saw borderline psychotic
addictive behavior from a bunch of guys who thought were
having fun, but were destroying their bodies, and lots of
people's lives, with their character

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237. "it's glamour by definition"
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there's no reason to take the holier than thou stance.

just do the math.

the vast majority of americans are working at wal-mart or mcdonalds or in prison for attempting to make money selling drugs.

through the course of their lives they may make $1 million. belfort made $50 million in one year of his 10 year career. if he chooses to spend that money on hookers and drugs that's his business. the wall street cats that are lauded engage in the same activities. the drugs and sex are just there to convince you he's a jerk. otherwise he's just like anyone else just more successful.

he did three measly years. the fact that he's ordered to pay restitution means that they know he can earn and they expect him to, but only by their rules. afterall his crimes were mostly for avoiding taxes. even if he has to work at wal-mart for the rest of his life any wal-mart worker would trade their full life at wal-mart for his halflife there.


  

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239. "Ah. So it sounds like you're upset that life isn't fair. "
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That has zero to do with the film, though.

Cry about it all you want, rich people have it easier.

Not Scorcese's fault.

In fact, Scorcese made a film where he showed how vile
and terrible these people are. He did a lot more to shit
on the culture of greed than you whiny hipsters do.

  

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231. "RE:Are we still talking about this silly movie? lol"
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C'mon people this movie was 3 hours of insane behavior from drug addicted idiots. I can walk around my neighborhood annd see that, lol.

Hollywood is really good at what it does,lol, razzle and dazzle. But they can't hypnotize Bliss. Nobody here really seems to really understand just what Wall Street really is. It has always been an exploitive entity. Here is a little insight into it's origins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ufq2ps9nSw


I already know folks here are gonna get mad and i don't care. lol

Always having fun.

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232. "the Wall Street guys are clearly portrayed as scumbags"
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but, at the same time, the life they led was glamorous and crazy. and we, as the audience, have to really be conscious of our instinct to lap it all up.

it's nearly impossible to not be jealous of the life, and that's what's wrong with our culture. we know they're making millions off the backs of the less fortunate, but most of us, if given the opportunity, would fuck some people over to make that much money.

and that's why these guys continue to get away with their dirt

  

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233. "Not sure why there's a sudden moratorium on talking about this movie"
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Seeing as it just came out on DVD at the end of March, I imagine more than a few more folks will be coming by to contribute their thoughts. Not to mention it's a film directed by one of the most admired and respected directors still working.

Not sure why discussing it is such a problem. Also not sure why someone who didn't like it is in the post trying to shut down the conversation of those who did.

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234. "i read this in lebowski jesus voice"
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>Hollywood is really good at what it does,lol, razzle and
>dazzle. But they can't hypnotize Bliss.

  

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242. "LMAO"
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238. "the question is what is the artist's motive for the depiction?"
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wall st isn't some foreign entity, it is our economy, an economy based on usury. for people to pretend like "i'm ok, you're not ok" is silly. we are all either exploiters or being exploited; winners or losers.

is there a nobility in poverty or not?

  

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241. "The artist's motive is to depict truth."
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>wall st isn't some foreign entity, it is our economy, an
>economy based on usury. for people to pretend like "i'm ok,
>you're not ok" is silly. we are all either exploiters or being
>exploited; winners or losers.

This is 100% what the movie depicts: exploiters and exploited, winners and losers. It just shows us this by focusing on the winners.

>is there a nobility in poverty or not?

That question isn't answered, much as there isn't an answer to that question in real life. It's what makes that shot of the agent on the subway so brilliant. Is that noble, a man amongst the people he protects? Or is he a sap? There's no clear answer. The way art should be, IMO.

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240. "lol @ the "Wall Street origins" video you linked"
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Hardly Errol Morris there.

Also, everyone here knows how Wall Street works.

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243. "This movie must have been fun as FUCK to make"
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It's really funny, but I did not like it as much as most ppl in here. It was 30-45 minutes too long, and I felt every 30-45 extra minutes unlike some of Marty's other longer movies (yes, I liked Casino more).

Lots of great individual scenes in this though, wow. Lunch with Matty McC, The Lemmons, the yacht in the storm, the bribery attempt, etc.

  

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244. "Yeah, my perspective on this film has changed a bit"
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I still think its GREAT, think its a filmmaking tour de fource,
think the acting was incredible but I'm also starting to understand
the major ethical beefs

You see, I actually looked at them dudes' behavior as horrific,
terrible...I felt sorry for them dudes the whole movie...at no
point did I look at that shit and want to be a part of it

Apparently there is a big demographic (mostly white males)
who didn't really see the movie that way...like they thought
a lot of that shit was cute and cool (not talking about you
at all btw)...I didn't really realize that

So that's where the whole "they are glorifying it" shit
comes from

Its very cultural

To me, that movie did zero glorifying....zero...and
few people love parties and pussy more than I do

But if you have that scumbag DNA (even if its deep
down inside you somewhere, not apparent) then the movie
might have been glorifying that life

Interesting little experience with this flick, not
sure the last time I had this happen with a flick

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245. "The problem is, because these guys were so pathetic,"
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I gave 0 fucks how this story ended. I gave 0 fucks how this guy was stashing his money so that he didn't get caught. That's why it was really funny and entertaining for about the first 60-80 mins, then got old quick. At least you could kind of root for De Niro in Casino because he had a decent heart. And Pesci >>> Jonah Hill anyday if we're talking sidekick entertainment.

  

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246. "2 of several reasons I liked Casino more too"
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At least you could kind
>of root for De Niro in Casino because he had a decent heart.
>And Pesci >>> Jonah Hill anyday if we're talking sidekick
>entertainment.

  

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