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"OFFICIAL BREAKING BAD "FELINA" POST"
Sun Sep-29-13 07:59 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

Rules are rules but the other post is huge, so here we are


Also, if you're here to "count L's" or take victory laps about... whatever, please do us a favor and take that lame shit over to GD


Breaking Bad
Season 5, Episode 16
Felina
Written and Directed by Vince Gilligan


Watch the episode's name be taken from Todd's attempt to get Lydia some lingerie as a birthday gift or some shit

Yes, I looked up the name Felina, and it's not just a play on the word "Finale"

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Yes!
Sep 29th 2013
1
You're gonna need a bigger knife.
Sep 29th 2013
2
That was SO good.
Oct 03rd 2013
175
Muther fuckin Walt!! holy shit lmao
Sep 29th 2013
3
RIP HEISENBERG
Sep 29th 2013
4
That special love I have for you, Baby Blue...
Sep 29th 2013
5
He was a G all the way through
Sep 29th 2013
6
Fe Li Na
Sep 30th 2013
57
Excellent TV
Sep 29th 2013
7
Richard Lawson wraps up the finale in a perfect tweet
Sep 29th 2013
8
^^^this
Sep 29th 2013
11
Agreed
Sep 29th 2013
14
Best. Series. Finale. Ever.
Sep 29th 2013
9
Nate & David Fisher on line 1.
Sep 30th 2013
27
Well, not Nate nm
Sep 30th 2013
33
nah...cheated with flash forwards...Lol
Sep 30th 2013
72
WHERE'S HUELL, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!
Sep 30th 2013
39
      Here
Sep 30th 2013
140
Yeeeeeea that was good
Sep 29th 2013
10
It was fine.
Sep 29th 2013
12
Finales are supposed to end shows, not add things
Sep 29th 2013
13
I wanted emotional resonance, I got a checklist.
Sep 29th 2013
15
saving jesse, admitting his motivations to Skylar...
Oct 02nd 2013
164
+1
Sep 30th 2013
28
lol okayplayer
Sep 29th 2013
23
"Everything I did, I did for me... I liked it. It made me feel alive."
Sep 29th 2013
16
That's it man. Seriously nothing more to say nm
Sep 29th 2013
19
That was the real climax for me
Sep 30th 2013
88
living under 7ft of snow in a cabin cut off from civilization did him
Oct 01st 2013
150
It was chocked full of fan service.
Sep 29th 2013
17
Well it's not a brand, so they're safe. I'd be like her asking for sugar
Sep 29th 2013
21
There was a ton
Sep 30th 2013
73
I liked it but it seems like Vince pulled his punches
Sep 29th 2013
18
Perfection.
Sep 29th 2013
20
On second viewing, it's wrapped up in too neat of a bow
Sep 29th 2013
22
yeh, it was a little on the safe side but still a great watch.
Sep 30th 2013
37
a perfect ending--
Sep 29th 2013
24
Not sure what else people could have expected. It was perfect.
Sep 29th 2013
25
Right. There's nothing else I would want to see...
Sep 29th 2013
26
basically this.
Sep 30th 2013
30
Thank you. Jesus Christ.
Sep 30th 2013
32
RE: Not sure what else people could have expected. It was perfect.
Sep 30th 2013
34
NO NO NO, a thousand times NO
Sep 30th 2013
36
cosign all that
Sep 30th 2013
62
I know vince said that and all, but the soprajos ending was ass
Sep 30th 2013
74
      You SHOLE told me nm
Sep 30th 2013
102
           nothing to brag about there, it's usually pretty easy to do
Sep 30th 2013
111
                *paragraphs in response to Cold Truth, the Most Original Thinker
Sep 30th 2013
112
                     Nah, not OKP, just you, Llago.
Sep 30th 2013
117
                          THE JIG IS UP YOU GUISE
Sep 30th 2013
120
Yes to ALL of this!
Oct 03rd 2013
176
But was it too perfect?!
Sep 30th 2013
89
underwhelmed, but satisifed
Sep 30th 2013
29
that was incredibly satisfying
Sep 30th 2013
31
That's the word for it
Sep 30th 2013
90
Shit was perfect, and that's pretty much all there is to it nm
Sep 30th 2013
35
^^^^^^^yep. Not sure what anyone else wanted.
Sep 30th 2013
38
Vince Gilligan interview (link)
Sep 30th 2013
40
^^^ GOSPEL!!!!! DON'T THINK FOR YOURSELFS!!!!!!
Sep 30th 2013
103
None of you think that wrapped up *too* neatly?
Sep 30th 2013
41
Whose fault is that?
Sep 30th 2013
43
The arc was fine. The series needed proper closure.
Sep 30th 2013
48
The last 3 episodes provided closure for the series.
Sep 30th 2013
75
THIS
Sep 30th 2013
64
EXACTLY.
Oct 03rd 2013
177
I definitely felt a lot of things happening because it would be quick.
Sep 30th 2013
46
the straightforwardness was a swerve in itself.
Sep 30th 2013
49
The straight-forwardness mirrored Walt finally doing the same
Sep 30th 2013
51
i did. i enjoyed it, but it was straight formula television
Sep 30th 2013
58
      RE: i did. i enjoyed it, but it was straight formula television
Sep 30th 2013
70
      Just because some people are being dumb and saying the series is...
Sep 30th 2013
77
      Right. Formula. FORMULA as in CHEMISTRY
Sep 30th 2013
91
      ^^^ Call him Thomas Dolby, cause he just blinded 'em with SCIENCE
Sep 30th 2013
121
      If that bothered you, you've probably disliked BB for seasons now.
Oct 03rd 2013
183
Satisfying is most definitely the word to describe the ep
Sep 30th 2013
42
That would have been great.
Oct 02nd 2013
167
By the way, Walt bringing in Badger and Skinny Pete to be his
Sep 30th 2013
44
that was my favorite part, when they came out the woods
Sep 30th 2013
54
I started feeling suspicious when I saw the red beams shaking
Sep 30th 2013
55
"It felt kind of sketchy, morality-wise"
Sep 30th 2013
61
right before hank gets killed. Jack served as a mouthpiece.
Oct 01st 2013
152
A small part I loved in this ep
Sep 30th 2013
45
OMG i caught that too!
Sep 30th 2013
67
Yes!
Sep 30th 2013
76
As far as series finales go, I couldn't ask for much more
Sep 30th 2013
47
cosign to all of what you just said!
Sep 30th 2013
69
Incredibly satisfying finale. GOAT show.
Sep 30th 2013
50
it was a fucking perfect finale, I can't see why anyone would
Sep 30th 2013
52
it was okay. i mean kinda lackluster compared to the rest
Sep 30th 2013
53
kinda unsatisfied
Sep 30th 2013
56
basically. i could accept the train robbery, the magnet
Sep 30th 2013
68
Duck? From what?
Sep 30th 2013
83
      I mean the nazis have been pretty ninja up to this point
Sep 30th 2013
96
      Jack wasn't compelled until Walt manipulated him.
Sep 30th 2013
116
      I get the mechanics of it
Sep 30th 2013
123
      RE: I mean the nazis have been pretty ninja up to this point
Sep 30th 2013
124
      I'm all for the flash forwards
Sep 30th 2013
126
      I don't agree
Sep 30th 2013
125
           My take: Walt had 0 leverage and we/he don't know Uncle Jack like that
Sep 30th 2013
133
                RE: My take: Walt had 0 leverage and we/he don't know Uncle Jack like th...
Sep 30th 2013
138
                     He didn't care. He did it because his nephew requested it.
Oct 01st 2013
147
      <insert jarhead joke here>
Sep 30th 2013
98
           my only real gripe is that Todd and Jack were conveniently still alive
Sep 30th 2013
134
NOT ALLOWED!!!
Oct 04th 2013
197
Sepinwall nails it
Sep 30th 2013
59
Yup. He explains perfectly that while it was a 'good' ending it felt of...
Sep 30th 2013
71
VERY satisfying for me
Sep 30th 2013
60
Perfect finale to me....
Sep 30th 2013
63
Perfect
Sep 30th 2013
65
They told us how it was going to end, it wasn't supposed to be a surpris...
Sep 30th 2013
66
That song was so perfect
Sep 30th 2013
78
Great finale! One small gripe re: Brock
Sep 30th 2013
79
Jesse would never get Brock like people keep saying
Sep 30th 2013
81
      I didn't expect him to GET him lol
Sep 30th 2013
82
So...I went to the Hollywood Forever Cemetery to see this tonight.
Sep 30th 2013
80
awesome! Way to score the tix!
Sep 30th 2013
84
Random spots....not touristy locations.
Sep 30th 2013
85
      that's awesome
Sep 30th 2013
92
      very cool! Thanks for the info!
Oct 01st 2013
154
man that is just too cool
Sep 30th 2013
93
The internet is so great.
Sep 30th 2013
94
So you got to watch the BB finale AND got a cool story out of it?
Sep 30th 2013
101
Yeah, I logged on to Twitter around 5 and saw the locations
Sep 30th 2013
104
How many people were at the screening? Wasn't 15 there?
Sep 30th 2013
108
      I believe he was there nm
Sep 30th 2013
114
      Yeah, he was DJing after the screening
Sep 30th 2013
119
Mimicking many, but it ended how it needed to
Sep 30th 2013
86
to those who think it wraps up too neatly:
Sep 30th 2013
87
well said
Sep 30th 2013
95
RE: well said
Sep 30th 2013
97
      Nice theory
Sep 30th 2013
110
      RE: Nice theory
Oct 01st 2013
149
      RE: well said
Sep 30th 2013
118
           i thought about this, but to be optimistic again:
Sep 30th 2013
130
^^^ This is what all the "it was *too* perfect" recaps and "think pieces...
Sep 30th 2013
I was oddly touched by that final scene
Sep 30th 2013
99
hey he was good at it(c) Walter White
Sep 30th 2013
135
      Yeah, I felt that
Oct 01st 2013
151
      Best part of the episode
Oct 02nd 2013
172
Loved it, but it was 'safe' to some extent. But why shouldn't it be?
Sep 30th 2013
100
Didn't Zootown more or less call that gun shit to a T?
Sep 30th 2013
106
      Nah, and nah
Sep 30th 2013
107
           I asked about possible 'twists' with the gun
Sep 30th 2013
109
           lol
Sep 30th 2013
113
           yeah, you were pretty close lol
Sep 30th 2013
136
To steal the top comment from Reddit's r/BreakingBad...
Sep 30th 2013
105
oh, also i loved this:
Sep 30th 2013
115
Well this pretty much confirms what we all knew
Sep 30th 2013
122
The only finale I remember people being almost universally...
Sep 30th 2013
127
RE: The only finale I remember people being almost universally...
Sep 30th 2013
128
The Shield had maybe the best finale I've ever seen
Sep 30th 2013
132
      yup Shield had an amazing finale and a great last few eps
Oct 02nd 2013
166
The Wire had a pretty well liked finale
Sep 30th 2013
131
FNL and The Shield are the two best finales I've seen
Oct 01st 2013
144
a consequence of being put under a microscope
Sep 30th 2013
141
as with everyone else, The Shield for SURE. and "ANGEL"
Oct 01st 2013
155
Final podcast is up
Sep 30th 2013
129
dope
Sep 30th 2013
142
      Yep. And that story about his original pitch for what happened
Oct 01st 2013
143
           RE: Yep. And that story about his original pitch for what happened
Oct 01st 2013
146
Just realized Andrea was Epyck from Friday Night Lights
Sep 30th 2013
137
I'm gonna have to say she was the worst.
Oct 01st 2013
148
Andrea was also Ray's employee on Men of a Certain Age
Oct 01st 2013
156
great finale, no real complaints or gripes.
Sep 30th 2013
139
a meditative and slow-moving climax. perfect way to go out
Oct 01st 2013
145
http://i.imgur.com/WP1LLuE.jpg
Oct 01st 2013
153
WALT GANG FOREVER.
Oct 02nd 2013
157
Norm Macdonald says it was all a dream.
Oct 02nd 2013
158
Are we supposed to scroll through every tweet of his to find it?
Oct 02nd 2013
159
hes tweeted about 300+ times the past 2 days
Oct 02nd 2013
160
it's the same theory as emily nussbasum linked here
Oct 02nd 2013
161
i was just about to post this. read Norms tweets like 10mins ago
Oct 02nd 2013
162
the keys were definitely a statement
Oct 02nd 2013
163
Lotsa people ain't up on their Shakespeare/Greeks
Oct 02nd 2013
165
this ^^^
Oct 03rd 2013
173
Basically. Classical story structure.
Oct 03rd 2013
184
Breaking Bard!
Oct 07th 2013
198
So does this writer from the New Yorker. Really great article:
Oct 02nd 2013
168
Interesting he mentions Jesse's dream sequence
Oct 02nd 2013
169
I mean, the big reason I don't agree is because Vince Gilligan disagrees...
Oct 03rd 2013
185
      Right. I'd buy this theory if he hadn't been so adamant...
Oct 03rd 2013
188
      He wouldn't have needed to even be THAT clear.
Oct 07th 2013
200
      It's not Walt's 'dream' - it's his 'fantasy.' Huge difference.
Oct 04th 2013
192
      Why would Gretchen and Elliot have a picture of Walt in their house?
Oct 04th 2013
193
      Given Walt's ego, isn't this something of a compromised fantasy?
Oct 04th 2013
194
      I'd say considering his bleak situation at the opening of the epidose...
Oct 04th 2013
196
      I think Felina as Walt's fantasy is the moralist audience's fantasy.
Oct 07th 2013
199
           What's wrong with that?
Oct 08th 2013
202
                haha, I forgot about Take Shelter.
Oct 08th 2013
203
      That's half of it, yeah
Oct 04th 2013
195
           Oh, I agree that it's not the "definitive" answer.
Oct 08th 2013
201
Stupid theory. This shit ain't Lost.
Oct 02nd 2013
170
I'm pacing myself for the Mad Men finale
Oct 02nd 2013
171
      Yep. And people will be pissed about it, just like they
Oct 03rd 2013
179
One thing that is interesting is the snow/date thing
Oct 03rd 2013
174
one major flaw to this theory is Walt knowing Jesse is imprisoned
Oct 03rd 2013
178
unless Walt died in the shootout at the end of To'hajiilee
Oct 03rd 2013
191
I think everything that happened to Walt was a form of
Oct 03rd 2013
180
      Who originally said all that?
Oct 03rd 2013
181
      "Norm McDonald says it was all a dream"
Oct 03rd 2013
182
           You didnt understand my question.
Oct 03rd 2013
186
                Thanks for clarifying (/sarcasm)
Oct 03rd 2013
187
      a much more satisfying read on the situation than the dream theory
Oct 03rd 2013
189
           Thank you, sir!
Oct 03rd 2013
190

lightworks
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1. "Yes!"
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2. "You're gonna need a bigger knife. "
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........... My Ctrl+Alt+Delete is Mind Blowing!

  

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175. "That was SO good."
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I really liked that scene. They played that shit BEAUTIFULLY.

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icecold21
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3. "Muther fuckin Walt!! holy shit lmao"
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my man

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4. "RIP HEISENBERG"
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ALL HAIL THE KING!!

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5. "That special love I have for you, Baby Blue..."
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Welp, Walt went out like a G. Both him and Jesse got their own form of redemption. Got more to say later, but kind of processing it now.

So, anyone care to share the "real" meaning of Felina?

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6. "He was a G all the way through"
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At least once he reached "G-dom" at least, from then on.

https://twitter.com/KiernanProud/status/384484531673128962/photo/1

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57. "Fe Li Na"
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or..."Blood, Meth and Tears"

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7. "Excellent TV"
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Just amazing all around

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8. "Richard Lawson wraps up the finale in a perfect tweet"
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The great thing about the Breaking Bad finale is that it gave nothing to be happy or angry about. It just ended.

  

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11. "^^^this"
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i thought it was all pretty predictable, with the exception of the visit to see the grey matter people, which was the highlight of the episode.

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14. "Agreed"
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Although I think we were all happy to see Jesse kill Rickey Hitler.

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9. "Best. Series. Finale. Ever."
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Damn that was good. wrapped up all loose ends.




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Same as it ever was!

  

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27. "Nate & David Fisher on line 1."
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33. "Well, not Nate nm"
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Er, I mean, SPOILER ALERT

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72. "nah...cheated with flash forwards...Lol"
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That was good, but this was better.
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39. "WHERE'S HUELL, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!"
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5f24c5785e/huell-s-rules

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10. "Yeeeeeea that was good"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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12. "It was fine."
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It was everything I expected, but I wanted the unexpected.

Still one of the best shows ever, but the finale added nothing.

  

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13. "Finales are supposed to end shows, not add things"
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what did you want, a new storyline?

Of course you knew where it was going for the most part, it wasn't a mystery, it was a story that ended like a story.

  

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15. "I wanted emotional resonance, I got a checklist."
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The goodbye to Holly was the most effective moment. It shouldn't have been.

  

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164. "saving jesse, admitting his motivations to Skylar..."
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then giving her the coordinates to Hank's grave, getting the money set up for the fam...Jesse killing Todd

what else were you looking for?

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23. "lol okayplayer"
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16. ""Everything I did, I did for me... I liked it. It made me feel alive.""
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Such a great scene.

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19. "That's it man. Seriously nothing more to say nm "
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88. "That was the real climax for me"
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I breathed a sigh of relief once he finally cut the bullshit to himself and his family. It was like yes, finally, thank you, now go kill some nazis my dude

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150. "living under 7ft of snow in a cabin cut off from civilization did him"
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good. it brought about states of self-realization that it takes tibetan monks a lifetime to achieve at the foot of mountains, when the cessation of his drive to protect his own interests and empire faded away in the looming background. left to face himself for the first time Walt was startled by his own devious actions and appearance reflecting back at him.

  

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17. "It was chocked full of fan service."
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But I'm not mad at all.

Does anyone else feel like an idiot for not calling Lidia's fate? I honestly think they made up "Stevia" from the jump so that they could pull this off and not get sued by an existing company. Nice.

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21. "Well it's not a brand, so they're safe. I'd be like her asking for sugar"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

But asking for stevia makes the request stand out more since it's pretty uncommon

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73. "There was a ton"
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of fan service these last final eight episodes. Best of all, they weren't all the cheezy in my opinion.

  

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18. "I liked it but it seems like Vince pulled his punches"
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It's kinda of a W for Walt in the end.

  

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20. "Perfection."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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22. "On second viewing, it's wrapped up in too neat of a bow"
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It was fun as shit to watch though.

  

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37. "yeh, it was a little on the safe side but still a great watch."
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i think we've seen enough of walt doing macgyver tricks and they just kind of ran through it.

  

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24. "a perfect ending--"
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best show on TV ever

  

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25. "Not sure what else people could have expected. It was perfect."
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I'm sure I'll read a hundred thinkpieces bitching about what else they could've done to make it better, lol. People are too goddamned bored.

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26. "Right. There's nothing else I would want to see..."
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besides what happens to Jesse afterwards. But that's out of the scope of this show. We don't need to know what happens to him

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30. "basically this. "
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32. "Thank you. Jesus Christ."
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34. "RE: Not sure what else people could have expected. It was perfect."
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>I'm sure I'll read a hundred thinkpieces bitching about what
>else they could've done to make it better, lol. People are too
>goddamned bored.


just a bunch of motherfuckers WHINING about how they didn't get what they wanted yet THEY GOT EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED with this ep.

I'm watching it now and *THIS* is perfection.

FUCK the Sopranos...*THIS* is how you end a damn show.

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36. "NO NO NO, a thousand times NO"
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>FUCK the Sopranos...*THIS* is how you end a damn show.

Two different shows, two different stories being told... PLEASE DO NOT START WITH THIS BULLSHIT

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62. "cosign all that"
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>>FUCK the Sopranos...*THIS* is how you end a damn show.
>
>Two different shows, two different stories being told...
>PLEASE DO NOT START WITH THIS BULLSHIT
>

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74. "I know vince said that and all, but the soprajos ending was ass"
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I mean, it's all good to be like "well the guy who wrote BB said this so its fucking gospel because I don't have my own opinions!"and all.....but it's really Ok that some of us who think for ourselves disagree with him.

The sopranos ended like shit anf BB didn't. There is no ITS A DIFFERENT STORY!!!! defenwe

  

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102. "You SHOLE told me nm"
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111. "nothing to brag about there, it's usually pretty easy to do "
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Most of your opinions are just some shit you read and regurgitated from someone else. Since you do that with people that are well known and respected, you figure your parroted perspectives are bullet proof and shouldn't even be discussed.

It's truly hilarious to be honest.

  

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112. "*paragraphs in response to Cold Truth, the Most Original Thinker"
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on OKP*

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117. "Nah, not OKP, just you, Llago. "
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You being parrot without an original thought or opinion you've formulated based on your own observations doesn't mean the rest of OKP is that void of independent thought.

I'm not saying I'm the most or even only person here with a mind and opinions of my own, I'm just saying that you don't.

Seriously, if anyone wants to know what you think about something, they just need to read the opinions of someone famous close to the subject at hand, because your guaranteed to regurgitate it soon after.

Don't be mad at the messenger, just consider the message and improve yourself.

  

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120. "THE JIG IS UP YOU GUISE"
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176. "Yes to ALL of this!"
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>FUCK the Sopranos...*THIS* is how you end a damn show.

But ESPECIALLY this.

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89. "But was it too perfect?!"
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CLICK HERE FOR A SLIDESHOW OF 25 SERIES FINALES THAT WERE WORSE AND THEREFORE BETTER THAN BREAKING BAD'S

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29. "underwhelmed, but satisifed"
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Glad Pinkman got to murk Meth Damon

The ringtone was hilarity

Also happy Lydia "is dying"

GOAT contender show. Its still 1B for me

  

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31. "that was incredibly satisfying "
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its over and im ok with that. best television series of all time.

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90. "That's the word for it"
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35. "Shit was perfect, and that's pretty much all there is to it nm"
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38. "^^^^^^^yep. Not sure what anyone else wanted. "
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40. "Vince Gilligan interview (link)"
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I'm too lazy to swipe it, but it's quite informative, especially the sections on Jesse's fate, and "writing for the audience"

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/30/breaking-bad-finale-vince-gilligan/

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103. "^^^ GOSPEL!!!!! DON'T THINK FOR YOURSELFS!!!!!!"
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41. "None of you think that wrapped up *too* neatly?"
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I enjoyed the episode and I'm glad each character got what they deserved (that was always the goal). But the writers made it a point to write the unexpected for five seasons. Personally, I'm surprised at the predictability of the last ep.

  

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43. "Whose fault is that?"
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But the writers made
>it a point to write the unexpected for five seasons.
>Personally, I'm surprised at the predictability of the last
>ep.

The writers, or those who spent time trying to make predictions to the point where pretty much any possible ending had been "called" by someone?

Personally, as someone who has seen far too many finales that are either (a) goodbye-fests or (b) symbolic open-ended philosophizing, I'm overwhelmingly glad that a show that was always so incredibly focused on story arc chose to have its finale focus on story arc until literally the final scene.

Usually the story is resolved well before the final moments-- this finale denied total resolution for any character that remained alive (the Jesse ending was OUTSTANDING), and denied resolution for its main character until the final shot.

I find THAT from a storytelling perspective to be far more (a) unpredictable and (b) satisfying than any sort of crazy twist they could have forced down our throats. Why surprise us for the sake of a surprise? They told the story. They weren't thinking about "what's the last thing they'll expect?" That wouldn't serve the characters or the series.

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48. "The arc was fine. The series needed proper closure. "
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But how they got from Y-Z had me (personally) asking for a more creative approach in the final ep when dealing with each characters ultimate fate. Writing that routinely went out of its way to go left suddenly became cut and dry. I guess I was expecting a different approach from a creative standpoint. Everything felt a bit hurried.

But overall its hard to be upset. Great series, good final episode.

  

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75. "The last 3 episodes provided closure for the series."
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I'd try to look at it like that.

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64. "THIS"
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It's not the writers fault that millions people dedicated their free time to theorizing every possible route for the show each week.

The can't just be reading the internet and saying, welp someone is onto this idea let's change plans.

This show was never about a twist ending

  

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177. "EXACTLY."
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>I find THAT from a storytelling perspective to be far more (a)
>unpredictable and (b) satisfying than any sort of crazy twist
>they could have forced down our throats. Why surprise us for
>the sake of a surprise? They told the story. They weren't
>thinking about "what's the last thing they'll expect?" That
>wouldn't serve the characters or the series.

The story served the characters and NOT the other way around, which is the mistake A LOT of shows make. They played this shit PERFECTLY.

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46. "I definitely felt a lot of things happening because it would be quick."
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all of a sudden the show felt like it was in a hurry; maybe just a byproduct of its iconic fast pace finally having nowhere else to turn. it didn't help that most of the predictions getting plopped around places I ready on the internet ended up being pretty accurate this one last time. as someone that doesn't sit around thinking about what might happen, it stunk a bit to see a lot of stuff I figured were misguided guesses as usual.


the first half of the episode felt pretty typically great, though. the encounter at the Schwartz house at first felt like the acknowledgement that this was a fan service episode (after the flashbacks and the Badger/Skinny Pete scene) and then quickly became the highlight of the show. loved the pan shot to reveal Walt in the house even if it made the ABQPD look like clowns even more than the Nazis.


I was really entertained, but definitely let down that this episode ended the series in such a classic western fashion. I remember some small part of me being really disappointed when Walt winced as he was lying on top of Jesse, accepting the magic bullet that'd pull all the real drama out of the room.


But maybe I'm just not willing to say goodbye.


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49. "the straightforwardness was a swerve in itself."
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i love that it wrapped up really neatly because i thought it was gonna be on some ridiculous shit.

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51. "The straight-forwardness mirrored Walt finally doing the same"
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IMO, the pivotal scene of the episode was when he finally admits to Skylar why he did what he did. The ego which motivated him to go to all the crazy lengths that he did was finally revealed to have been stripped bare...and hence, we got an episode which reflected that straight-forwardness.

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58. "i did. i enjoyed it, but it was straight formula television"
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not to mention completely implausible in way too many instances. really, the nazis are going to let walt drive the car exactly where he needs it to be and then not search it? they're going to go get jesse and explain the plan like scooby do?

don't get me wrong, i liked it, but these are things we need to discuss, given that people are making ridiculous "better than the wire" arguments.

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70. "RE: i did. i enjoyed it, but it was straight formula television"
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>don't get me wrong, i liked it, but these are things we need
>to discuss, given that people are making ridiculous "better
>than the wire" arguments.

The missteps on the Breaking Bad weren't as glaring as the missteps on The Wire in my opinion. Some stuff bothers me in terms of logisitics on Breaking Bad, such as the stevia/risin tampering from last night given that Walt is on the run and is operating with a limited time frame for his actions, but that last season's police storyline from The Wire was a complete mess IMO. Nothing redeemable from that storyline that I can remember.

  

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77. "Just because some people are being dumb and saying the series is..."
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...better than "The Wire" doesn't mean we have to look for reasons that aren't there for something that was wrong with the way "Breaking Bad" wrapped up. The Wire can still be the GOAT, and this can still be a great finale. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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91. "Right. Formula. FORMULA as in CHEMISTRY"
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Muthafuckas just solved for X in this episode

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121. "^^^ Call him Thomas Dolby, cause he just blinded 'em with SCIENCE"
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183. "If that bothered you, you've probably disliked BB for seasons now."
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It's stretched plausibility and dipped its feet firmly into the surreal pretty often for a while now.

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42. "Satisfying is most definitely the word to describe the ep"
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Although I would not have been mad one bit if Walt had finished off Jesse's batch to end the ep ha.

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167. "That would have been great."
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44. "By the way, Walt bringing in Badger and Skinny Pete to be his"
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"hitmen" was pretty goddamn funny and quite the Vince Gilligan touch

On a lesser show, that reveal would have been tonally inappropriate for the episode and the show, but it actually speaks to Vince's darkly funny sensibilities

I should also mention that no show in recent memory has done a better job of answering most "logic" questions the moment they're brought up by having a character ask them on behalf of the audience...

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54. "that was my favorite part, when they came out the woods"
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and i'm OOOOH IT'S BADGER AND SKINNY PETE!

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55. "I started feeling suspicious when I saw the red beams shaking"
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through the patio glass. NOT that I expected THOSE TWO, but I figured Walt had hooked up laser sights to some springs or something and tied them to the hood of his car or...something. I figured if he had "two of the best hitmen west of the Mississippi" they wouldn't have SUCH shaky shots.


That said, a little surprising neither Badger nor Pete played a Metal Gear game and thought of getting some Diazepam.


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61. ""It felt kind of sketchy, morality-wise""
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I didn't even know I needed those two around, but there you go.

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152. "right before hank gets killed. Jack served as a mouthpiece. "
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>I should also mention that no show in recent memory has done a
>better job of answering most "logic" questions the moment
>they're brought up by having a character ask them on behalf of
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45. "A small part I loved in this ep"
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When Walt was entering Gretchen and Elliot's house, they turned on classical music, and as Walt closed the doors behind them he had his arms raised high in the air like he was conducting the orchestra. Kind of demonstrating his control over how the entire episode would play out.

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67. "OMG i caught that too!"
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Him sitting on the bench as they walked in the house-chilling.

Such a perfect finale!

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76. "Yes!"
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I was getting hyped when I saw that.

The music along with how tense the situation was reminded me of Hanibal Lecter for some reason.

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47. "As far as series finales go, I couldn't ask for much more"
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It's really hard to put a dead stop to such a fluid medium...but as we have seen time and time again, Breaking Bad has a remarkable way of navigating such conundrums. The majority of fireworks and showdowns and drama were already taken care of in the build-up so in the finale we could really focus on the main character...his genius, his faults, his mistakes, and finally, his honesty.

Honesty was the common theme in two unforgettable scenes which resonated with me. The first when Walter finally admits to Skylar why he did what he did....for himself, because it made him feel alive. The second when Jesse forces Walt to say what he actually wants rather than trying to play on Jesse's emotions. Both scenes strip away the rationalizations of Heisenberg and in the presence of the two people who were most impacted by them.

The beauty of the finale was that the show didn't try too hard or try to be something it wasn't. It was Walter White coming back to close loose-ends and face the truth. Story line and story archs were the focus until the very end, and that commitment to story is what made the show so unforgettable. Bravo.

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69. "cosign to all of what you just said! "
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I really need all the scripts in book form I would totally buy them !
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50. "Incredibly satisfying finale. GOAT show."
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52. "it was a fucking perfect finale, I can't see why anyone would"
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say a show that always tied up any & all of its loose ends over five seasons would have an issue with them doing so on a more macro scale in its swan song.

Everything about it felt true to the series, entertaining as hell & beautifully paced to the final overhead shot.

One question though on the song 'El Paso', saw it referenced by the Marty Robbins tape then played & then sung by Walt (symptomatic of him probably playing it umpteen times while driving across the country), which ep was it that featured the song the first time in the series?

Because back whenever that was I think I thought it was sort of a reference to the city where Hank had flopped as a border agent & then this time around (with the title of this ep being the woman in the song's story) it was more about Walt.

Never really listened to that song's story in linear fashion when hearing the Grateful Dead do it (and there version was really the only version I was familiar with), mostly because Bob Weir was probably just too annoying in delivering it for me to concentrate on it.

Lot of good music references in this last episode, the 'Lydia' ringtone cracked me up, never heard that cut before.

And the Badfinger closer was great.

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53. "it was okay. i mean kinda lackluster compared to the rest"
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of the series. it wrapped things up nicely. so it served it's purpose, but not more more than that to me.

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56. "kinda unsatisfied"
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mainly because i've become so used to that holyfuckingshit/'what happens next?' feeling at the end of episodes, that it's impossible for a finale to deliver

scene for scene i thought it was great. the only part i wasn't really feeling was the remote gun. if anything was too 'neat' it was that.

mostly i'm just terribly bummed this show is over

  

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68. "basically. i could accept the train robbery, the magnet"
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the wheelchair bomb, the ricin, and a whole host of utter bullshit-

but a homemade robot m60 in the trunk of a '78 fleetwood? c'mon

and it mowed down a whole room full of nazis? like nazis can't duck? c'mon

ultimately i'm glad the nazis got got, (especially bad landry) but c'mon

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83. "Duck? From what?"
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>and it mowed down a whole room full of nazis? like nazis can't
>duck? c'mon
>

How slow are you expecting bullets to travel? They have less than a second to find cover. The only two that did have cover were Walt and Jesse. Todd just happen to be in the far side of the room where the bullet spray passed over him.

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96. "I mean the nazis have been pretty ninja up to this point"
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First you had the big shootout, then you had them sneaking in and out of a house that was under police surveillance (which nobody here seemed to mind?)... So them ducking/phasing through bullets may very well be within their skill set

I'd say Uncle Jack feeling compelled to bring out Jesse for Walt to see felt like the biggest stretch in the episode. It was like the key scene in the beginning, but instead of dumb luck it was with human behavior. The nazis have always felt a bit like a cheat code from the moment they were introduced. I'm not mad but I think in a few years we'll look back and consider them something of a weak point in the series. We'll also consider this one of the best series ever so who gives a fuhk

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116. "Jack wasn't compelled until Walt manipulated him."
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>
>
>I'd say Uncle Jack feeling compelled to bring out Jesse for
>Walt to see felt like the biggest stretch in the episode. It
>was like the key scene in the beginning, but instead of dumb
>luck it was with human behavior.

Walt has always been good at pushing certain buttons. And that certain button with Jack was "You aren't a man of your word. You're dishonorable."

Jack is like "You fuckin right I'm dishonorable but I'll be goddamn if you say it to my face."


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123. "I get the mechanics of it"
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I just thought it was awfully convenient that Jack would react that way. The nazi crew has always been convenient above all else. But I guess Gus Fring is a tough act to follow, nemesis wise

I prefer when Walt was manipulating characters whose wants had been a little better established. That way it kinda makes sense and you can see why they'd allow themselves to be played like that. This didn't feel like that, to me at least.

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124. "RE: I mean the nazis have been pretty ninja up to this point"
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>The nazis have always felt a
>bit like a cheat code from the moment they were introduced.
>I'm not mad but I think in a few years we'll look back and
>consider them something of a weak point in the series. We'll
>also consider this one of the best series ever so who gives a
>fuhk


A podcast called The One Who Knocks mentioned this as a complaint a few podcast ago in terms of the Nazi seeming more like an evil or dark force rather than human adversaries, if that makes sense. One of the hosts of the podcast, David Chen is what I think his name is, also has been complaining about the flash forwards since their inception since they robbed the viewer of some of the mystery in terms of the events that unfolded. I personally didn't mind them since they added intrigue to the show, but I somewhat see his point, in particular when Hank and Jesse teamed up against Walt. Since you bring up the point about weak points of the show, I'm curious what you and other folks think about his argement about the flash forwards.

  

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126. "I'm all for the flash forwards"
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This series made a tradition of doing them and doing them well. And for me, they often added to the mystery. They didn't solve the puzzle so much as showed you the pieces out of order. Just go look at the dozens of crazy ass (and wrong) theories on the internet regarding what viewers were expecting, doesn't seem like too much got spoiled to me

Plus, the finale moved at a really nice pace I thought, partly because it had less ground to cover thanks to the flash forwards.

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125. "I don't agree"
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>First you had the big shootout, then you had them sneaking in
>and out of a house that was under police surveillance (which
>nobody here seemed to mind?)... So them ducking/phasing
>through bullets may very well be within their skill set


Well, they ducked out the back of said house, under the cover of darkness, so it's quite possible that they wouldn't have been seen... and it was around 2 in the morning, so it's not like the police surveillance would have been at their most vigilant...

And as far as ducking bullets goes, I don't buy that mainly because they're "on their home court," so to speak. Why would they necessarily feel the need to be on-guard when their at their own spot, and they're entertaining a frail nerd that they can easily dispatch of (and remember, this is the first time they've seen him since the cancer got worse for Walt)?



>I'd say Uncle Jack feeling compelled to bring out Jesse for
>Walt to see felt like the biggest stretch in the episode. It
>was like the key scene in the beginning, but instead of dumb
>luck it was with human behavior.

I agree but I'm not sure how else you could do it. I suppose Walt could have demanded to see the facilities they were using to produce their meth, and when they get there Jesse just happens to be there, but that imo that feels just as weird as: 1. Kenny and company not scanning the car, including the trunk (which, again, you kinda buy because it's frail Walt White); and 2. having each of the Nazis in the same room at the same time; 3. Uncle Jack demanding that Jesse be brought out for Walt to see.

Another route would have been to have Walt demand they bring Jesse out, since they "failed to do the job" he asked them to do...

The only thing is, I understand why it happened the way it happened, as this entire episode was pretty much the greatest hits of Walter White, Scientific Mastermind and Master Manipulator...


>The nazis have always felt a
>bit like a cheat code from the moment they were introduced.
>I'm not mad but I think in a few years we'll look back and
>consider them something of a weak point in the series.

I dunno. Plot device or no, I always thought they were there to give Walt an example of some REAL badasses/businessmen... to give Walt some flavor on what this world really was about, as opposed to the game of dress-up he put on with Heisenberg... Uncle Jack and his boyz didn't need a porkpie hat to get busy, as it were...


>We'll
>also consider this one of the best series ever so who gives a
>fuhk

but but but NOT BETTER THAN THE WIRE THIS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED BUCKSHOT

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133. "My take: Walt had 0 leverage and we/he don't know Uncle Jack like that"
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Walt willingly shows up to their compound (the fuck is up with this compound by the way?), BOOM, they got him. Yet for no reason whatsoever they go along with this unnecessary ruse of a 'business meeting', stand in their proper places, bring out Jesse to defend some sense of honor that in my mind wasn't all that firmly established beforehand... Look, I loved this ep, but not every element of it is gonna be a 10/10. And that's not to say I could've written it any better, sheeeit.

I hear you about the nazis being a "dark force" but the flipside of that coin is that their lack of screen time and character development left them feeling a little flat. They had a function – I don't think it was so much to show Walt the grimy side of the game, I think he'd learned that already and from more interesting teachers – I think this crew served as a means to an end, basically allowing the writers to wrap things up the way they did.

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138. "RE: My take: Walt had 0 leverage and we/he don't know Uncle Jack like th..."
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>Walt willingly shows up to their compound (the fuck is up
>with this compound by the way?), BOOM, they got him. Yet for
>no reason whatsoever they go along with this unnecessary ruse
>of a 'business meeting', stand in their proper places, bring
>out Jesse to defend some sense of honor that in my mind wasn't
>all that firmly established beforehand... Look, I loved this
>ep, but not every element of it is gonna be a 10/10. And
>that's not to say I could've written it any better, sheeeit.
>
>I hear you about the nazis being a "dark force" but the
>flipside of that coin is that their lack of screen time and
>character development left them feeling a little flat. They
>had a function – I don't think it was so much to show Walt the
>grimy side of the game, I think he'd learned that already and
>from more interesting teachers – I think this crew served as a
>means to an end, basically allowing the writers to wrap things
>up the way they did.
>


I just finished watching the show and Uncle Jack caring enough about Walt to delay killing him did seem a bit odd. The other instance of Jack showing some inkling of caring for Walt was him of course leaving him with the barrel of $11 million. But like you said, Breaking Bad didn't get them enough screen time to show why Uncle Jack would care enough about Walt to spare him the barrel or care enough about his opinion to delay the shooting.

  

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147. "He didn't care. He did it because his nephew requested it."
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Sure he's a murderous Neo Nazi but he still respects his family to a certain degree.

Hell. Hitler liked dogs. People have a certain blind spot no matter how psychopathic their ideals are.

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98. "<insert jarhead joke here>"
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it's not how fast the bullets are travelling
it's more about how fast that actuator rotated
the rate of fire for an m60
and the height of the field of fire
allowing that walt perfectly calculated the vector
and parked the caddy in the perfect spot (and both are a stretch)
there was enuff time for at least a couple of nazis to hit the deck
even civilians instinctively do this
they don't even need cover
just get below wherever walt placed center mass
granted, i haven't zapruder'd the motherfucker
but yeah, ALL of them getting hit is a bit of a reach

even then, i'm not even mad
a bit of deus ex machina is to be expected
but this one is kinda bleh

i don't wanna argue tho so u win

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134. "my only real gripe is that Todd and Jack were conveniently still alive"
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and as much as I loved seeing Jack try to negotiate his way out the way Walt did and Walt being more gangsta with it, and Jesse being able to choke out Todd, the whole thing was far too convenient that all the other Nazis were dead

the standing thing i could get since they were watching a fight

at the very least i would have liked to see walt walk around the room and shoot an injured Nazi or two before he got to Jack

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197. "NOT ALLOWED!!!"
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you must agree with everyone that this closing episode was better than the birth of your life

  

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59. "Sepinwall nails it"
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Moments after "Breaking Bad" concluded, Vince Gilligan joined Aaron Paul (and, of all people, Jimmy Kimmel) for the final installment of "Talking Bad," whose host Chris Hardwick was very pleased that Gilligan hadn't gone for an oblique ending that left viewers wondering what the hell had just happened. "The Sopranos" was cited, and that's the finale that's cast a shadow over everything that's come after, asking creators what kind of show they want to be making and fans what kind of show they want to be watching. Gilligan praised "The Sopranos" ending, but added, "this show needed the ending that was perfect for it. This show was intended all along to be very finite. It's a story that starts at A and ends at Z, as it were. It's a very closed-ended thing."

And we sure as hell got resolution in "Felina"(*). Short of finding out exactly why Don Eladio wasn't allowed to kill Gus (an old piece of business that wasn't going to be dealt with two years after the Chicken Man exploded) or what exactly went down between Walt, Gretchen and Elliott all those years ago (which could, in theory, have come up during Walt's visit to their new mansion), all our questions were answered, all our plot threads tied up neatly. Walt arranges to get the remaining cash (which he was able to collect from the cabin before the cops closed in) to Walter Jr. on his 18th birthday. He admits to Skyler what we've known for so long — that "family" was his excuse for doing something that made him feel happy and powerful — and arranges for both the discovery of Hank and Gomez's bodies and the end of Skyler's legal troubles. He poisons Lydia with the ricin, somehow sneaking it into one of her Stevia packets, and takes out Jack and the Nazis with the machine gun he bought from Jim Beaver (with some help from one last bit of improvised engineering). Jesse kills Todd and drives off into the night, and Walt dies from a stray bullet wound he caught during the massacre of the Nazis, but not before he gets to admire the chemistry set he helped design one last time.

(*) As pointed out on the Internet earlier in the week, the title can be read as the chemical symbols for iron, lithium and sodium (aka "blood, meth and tears") or as an anagram for "finale." It could also be referring to the Marty Robbins' song "El Paso," which plays in the tape deck of the stolen New Hampshire car, and which features a Mexican girl by the name.

Every move Walt makes works to perfection — even the unexpected discovery that Jesse is Jack's slave, rather than partner, and therefore needs to be saved. There is no ambiguity about what happened, and only some about what may happen down the road. (We assume, for instance, that Gretchen and Elliott will set up the trust for Flynn rather than risk the wrath of Walt's "hitmen," but we don't know what the kid will do with that money.)

I admire Gilligan's desire to dot every i and cross every t, and I adored many individual moments of the finale: the Badger/Skinny Pete punchline to the Gretchen/Elliott scene, Walt finally being honest about his motivations (and stroking a sleeping Holly's face while Skyler watched and cried), and the sheer visceral thrill of Jesse giving Todd the choking he deserved, to name just a few. This was cathartic, this was definitive, this was as gorgeously-acted as "Breaking Bad" has always been.

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But was it ultimately too neat?

As Gilligan said, he had to make the ending that's right for his show. A hard cut to black in the middle of a confounding final scene that will be analyzed like the Zapruder film is not the way "Breaking Bad" should have wrapped up. This has always been a much more plot-driven and precise series. Each of the full seasons (not counting the strike-abbreviated first) concluded in a way that built on everything that came before, whether it was something planned from the start (the plane crash in season 2) or improvised later by the writers (Gus replacing the Cousins as season 3's big bad).

That being said, for all that "Breaking Bad" itself has been very orderly and precise, Walter White has not been. Walt is reckless. He doesn't think things through, and even when he does, his plans rarely go off without a hitch. He's always been scrambling, always improvising, always trying to deal with one unintended consequence in ways that lead to three or four more. Even when he accomplishes the seemingly impossible — blowing up Gus, or taking out all of Mike's guys in a two-minute window — he is helped enormously by both luck and by partners like Tio Hector and Uncle Jack.(**)

(**) So many important uncles in this show. Hector was Tuco's, Jack was Todd's, and of course Hank was Flynn and Holly's.

So for the finale to feature Walt largely operating solo (with the occasional small bit of help from Skinny Pete or Jim Beaver) and having everything work out as planned — with the sort of precision one might have expected from the watch Walt left behind at the gas station pay phone — didn't feel exactly like the kind of ending I might have expected from this show.

Of course, Gilligan has also talked in the past about the idea of a moral force in the "Breaking Bad" universe. When he and I discussed season 2's plane crash, he described it as "a rain of fire coming down around our protagonist's ears, sort of like the judgment of God." From that perspective, maybe Walt's sudden ability to settle all family business with minimal fuss isn't too much narrative economy, but rather the God of "Breaking Bad" deciding that after all the harm Walter White had caused to so many people, matters needed to be set right before he died, and he was the man to do it. Note that Walt — a man of science, not faith — prays when he sits in the snow-covered car in New Hampshire, desperate to get it started and escape the arriving cops; maybe once his actions were genuinely selfless and penitent, and once he was so close to death anyway, all his remaining prayers were answered.

I don't know. I'm going to be mulling over "Felina" for a while, and mulling over what, if anything, it has to say about this show's place in the larger pantheon. This last stretch of episodes has been so incredible that nothing short of epic failure at the very end would have knocked "Breaking Bad" off its perch. This was far from epic failure, and to a degree the previous three episodes were so messy and so devastating that the show practically earned the right for this vaguely happy ending. Walt defeats all his enemies, but dies in the process. Flynn may be getting $9.7 million (give or take taxes and legal fees), and Skyler may be avoiding prosecution, but I imagine both would rather have Hank alive, and their family intact. Jesse goes free, and for a moment seems genuinely happy as he roars down the open road, but he'll be carrying the physical and emotional scars of his association with Mr. White for the rest of his life.

Because of all that, "Felina" doesn't feel like a cheat, or a massive misstep, or an overreach. This is one of the greatest shows of my lifetime, and nothing in this concluding chapter changes that.

But it also felt so neat, and so orderly, in such an un-"Breaking Bad" sort of way, that I don't think I can give the show bonus points for its last episode in the same way that "The Shield" or "Six Feet Under" get extra credit for their finales. Most of this last half-season was astonishing, but I don't think Gilligan was just being self-effacing when he said "Ozymandias" was the best episode they ever made. That was, essentially, where the story of Walter White ended. These last two weeks have been an extended epilogue, the first half ("Granite State") gut-wrenching, the second half satisfying and tidy.

I understand why Hardwick, and so many of the people I follow on Twitter, were so pleased with the ending. In an era where the great dramas so often overreach, obfuscate or stumble in their conclusions, this was definitive. These were the final, unmistakable steps on the path Walter White put us on nearly six years ago.

But given everything that Walt had been through, and put us through, over these 62 episodes, I think I might have preferred the whole package be wrapped in a bow that wasn't so tight. "Granite State" suggested a world in which Heisenberg was dead and useless, but "Felina" brought him back to life, briefly more potent than ever before. It's a more cathartic, upbeat conclusion than if the series had ended with Walt getting into Robert Forster's van or living alone in that snowy cabin, but is it ultimately a more fitting one for this series?

Some other thoughts:

* I didn't put a clock on whether the episode actually had a bigger ad load than the last few, but by keeping ads out of the conclusion altogether, that meant that the opening acts had to start and stop very abruptly. Bills have to be paid, and I also appreciate Gilligan's desire to have the concluding moments uninterrupted, but it didn't play very smoothly — and I imagine was maddening for the people who caught up via Netflix (with no ads at all) and were watching live for the first time this season.

* In our brief revisits to the flashforwards from "Live Free Or Die" and "Blood Money," we unfortunately do not see Carol again, but Skyler and Marie spend an awful lot of time discussing her (and Marie's trouble distinguishing her from other neighbor Becky) on their phone call. I'll take it. That phone call also provides some closure to the Lambert sisters' relationship, as whatever schism there was earlier this summer is put aside so Marie can try to protect Skyler.

* Jesse's fantasy about making the perfect wood box, rather than being Todd's meth slave, was a callback to season 3's "Kafkaesque," where he tells Jere Burns and the rest of the 12-step group about a similar box he made in woodshop, then traded for an ounce of weed even though he loved it so much. Jesse was more marginal in this last episode than I would have liked, but that was a nice moment dwelling on his history before he later gets free, kills Todd and declines to kill Mr. White.

* Todd's ringtone for Walt was Thomas Dolby, and the one he has for Lydia is a version of "Lydia the Tattooed Lady."

* Elsewhere musically, we get the Marty Robbins song early, and we close with Badfinger's "Baby Blue," whose lyrics allude to both Walt's beloved meth and to a man who gets what he deserved.

Again, I suspect I'll be writing more — about the series as a whole, if not the finale — later in the week, but in the meantime, what did everybody else think?
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71. "Yup. He explains perfectly that while it was a 'good' ending it felt of..."
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"But it also felt so neat, and so orderly, in such an un-"Breaking Bad" sort of way, that I don't think I can give the show bonus points for its last episode in the same way that "The Shield" or "Six Feet Under" get extra credit for their finales."

Outside of him confronting his old partners, the sense of dread, of WTF-ness wasn't there.


Does that mean it was a bad ending? No
Does that hurt the show in any way? No
And there's a perfectly logical reason why it was so streamlined, and considering how tight everything was if we got a 'breaking bad'-esque ending we would probably have hella questions this morning when we haven one. So it is nitpicking.

But as someone said above, it's probably the most shocking way they could have ended it.

  

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60. "VERY satisfying for me"
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Besides the Gretchen & Elliot scene, it was surprisingly straight forward and nothing unexpected. When Walt was trying to reach for his keys, you were just expecting SOMETHING to go wrong, and even after the bullets finished firing, you'd think Todd was gonna flip out and do something, but things ended up the way I think most viewers would want it to end, which I would say is shocking for BB. I LOVED how Walt shoots Jack and not giving a shit about the rest of his money in the end. Also made Hank look even more badass since Jack was begging for his life.

Gonna miss this show so much. Now need to hatch a Heisenberg plan to get my fiancee to get hooked on this stuff.

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63. "Perfect finale to me...."
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couldnt have asked for anything more/different.

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65. "Perfect "
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66. "They told us how it was going to end, it wasn't supposed to be a surpris..."
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We saw that he moves to NH before he ever does and winds up alone

We saw he comes back on his 52nd birthday

We saw him buy a big ass gun, go to his now condemned house and pick up the Ricin.

As the season progressed we knew the gun was for the Nazi group

The Ricin had some questions to it, but the real purpose of the ricin in this show was to convince Jesse to help kill Gus, it still had to be used but it was already used for it's big reason.

The rest of the season was filling in the gaps of how that all happened and then wrapping up how the story ends. The show was about twist and turns but the ending was not, the ending was laid out for us to just enjoy the ride.

  

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78. "That song was so perfect"
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All of them I guess, but El Paso especially. I have heard that song a millions times.

When I saw him open that glove box I laughed and had to explain to my wife that Marty Robbins had a song called El Paso, then it came on when he turned on the car.

We all knew he was going back, but I knew that he was going to die "with his love" when I heard that song.

I told my wife the basis of the story, but left out the end part until after the show.

Such a fitting song and Felina for the title of the episode.

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79. "Great finale! One small gripe re: Brock"
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I wonder what happened with Brock? Did Meth Damon leave her there to be found by her son? They take him? Social Services?

I would imagine Jesse would be seeking him out after being freed from the Nazis.

Having at least seen sirens rolling up to the Brocks house, or a news report on a TV about it or something to at least know wasn't just left there to find his mom.

All this is probably "fan service" that everyone is complaining about and its not really a big deal for me, just something that left me wondering and felt like it needed some kind of resolution.

  

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81. "Jesse would never get Brock like people keep saying"
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Think about this

Hey I'm a recovering drug addict who just spent years working with the meth kingpin of the south west. I have a huge arrest record and no real reason you should give me this kid, but I used to sleep with his mom and really liked him a lot. Can I have him now that she's dead?

Brock either went to social services or to some family of Andrea's as would happen in real life. No need to show us that, it's just what happens with kids.

The meth dealing ex boyfriend with no legal rights doesn't get him.

  

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82. "I didn't expect him to GET him lol"
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just figured he would go see him and try to maintain some kind of relationship with him. Its not like he has much to offer, other than a familiar face that was nice to him before now that his moms gone.

I was more wondering if the kid had to find his mom like that, or if they dumped her body etc.

  

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80. "So...I went to the Hollywood Forever Cemetery to see this tonight. "
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Didn't plan on it...thought seeing it with people would suck. I wanted to see it in my apartment. Plus, I didn't have tickets...which sold out in 32 seconds.

But then my wife was like, "It'd be cool to go I think."

So, Aaron Paul tweeted he had hidden 20 tickets around Hollywood and would tweet locations, so we just got in the car on a whim. She drove, I refreshed, and we just so happened to be driving near one location on Melrose, across from the Paramount Studios....and snagged 2 free tickets.

It was REALLY cool...and like everyone from the cast outside of Anna Gunn and Betsy Brandt was there. Glad we saw it like that, and I was happy it was a very respectful, quiet screening.

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JtothaI
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84. "awesome! Way to score the tix!"
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That's great it was a respectful crowd, I'd hate to be watching it and miss something because of tons of banter.

Where were the tickets "hidden"?

  

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85. "Random spots....not touristy locations."
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These in particular were tucked in an envelope behind a garage sale sign on the street.

Some were behind Funyans in a convenience store, Aaron was parked in an Audi outside the Laugh Factory handing out 2 tickets, some were in a newspaper stand, etc.

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92. "that's awesome"
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>These in particular were tucked in an envelope behind a
>garage sale sign on the street.
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>Some were behind Funyans in a convenience store, Aaron was
>parked in an Audi outside the Laugh Factory handing out 2
>tickets, some were in a newspaper stand, etc.

saw it publicly too, luckily my friends who hosted the event were very clear on the no talking policy. the hand dryer in the bathroom did disrupt things a little though.

  

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154. "very cool! Thanks for the info!"
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93. "man that is just too cool"
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94. "The internet is so great."
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That is awesome.

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101. "So you got to watch the BB finale AND got a cool story out of it?"
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That's a pretty great Sunday.

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104. "Yeah, I logged on to Twitter around 5 and saw the locations"
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that he was Tweeting

I think he was doing the same thing last week

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108. "How many people were at the screening? Wasn't 15 there?"
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114. "I believe he was there nm"
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119. "Yeah, he was DJing after the screening"
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I didn't really stick around cause it was about 11:15PM at that point, and I had to get up for work today...but I'd imagine he was spinning until about midnight or so.

They were playing music inspired by the show...so I heard I'm Your Pusher, Car Wash, etc.

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86. "Mimicking many, but it ended how it needed to"
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It wasn't the shock fest some of us expected. With all the pre-hype discussions many had already predicted that the ricin was for lydia's stevia and seeing it play out wasnt a disappointment at all, just not all the shocking.

More than anything, I was so so happy when Walt threw jesse to the ground after seeing what he'd done to jesse. to see Jesse explode through that fence was so cathartic and satisfying. His earlier-in-the-season scream to Hank of "he can't keep getting away with this" came full circle when he acknowledged Mr. White saving him but also told him once and for all "if you wanna die, do it yourself"

It's funny that critics and fans reactions seem to be calling this a happy ending. while it may be far more positive than any of us would have predicted, this was far from happy. we see the tortured and tormented lives of jesse, marie, skyler, and flynn. whether or not the money ever comes to flynn, he's lost his hero. skyler's lost any semblance of respect or love in her hometown. marie has lost her rock. jesse has nowhere and everywhere to go. he has no money, no life, no family (i mean, he does and doesn't). and walter white is dead, with no one next to him but his beloved chemistry vessels.

he may not have gone out quite as gilligan may led us to believe in a scarface blaze of glory. he did the best he could to "make it right" but nothing is right...its just a little less wrong.

Goodbye, Breaking Bad.

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87. "to those who think it wraps up too neatly:"
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i think it only does that in walt's head. he thinks if he gets the money to his kids, gives skyler something to run with in court, and kill some nazis that everything will be right with the world. that's a bit optimistic. skyler is still gonna have a tough time in court, jesse probably won't have it easy for a while, he's being kinda presumptuous to think that the schwartzes will go along with this, and at some point walt jr. might become smart enough to figure out where this money is from. not to mention it might take years for everyone to sort out this story. i mean if walt's story ended with tuco or even krazy 8 it would have been in the media forever.

i think some are a little disappointed that walt died happy. understandable, but there really wasn't a way around that. the only death he's scared of is going out with a whimper, so death isn't really a fitting punishment for him unless he sits in NH and doesn't complete his objectives. that wasn't gonna happen, and if he didn't get the money to the kids or kill the nazis we'd all be pretty pissed. eps 5-7 were walt's comeuppance because he was alive, broken, and finally saw the consequences of his actions. this episode is almost an epilogue.

  

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95. "well said"
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I personally think those herbs will make good on getting the money to Walt Jr. just because they were so goddamn shook by Walt. Not that Heisenberg wasn't a suburban Scarface, but these two were looking at him like he was goddamn Dr. Doom.

I'm sure as soon as he left they were on Wikipedia reading about money laundering. Now will Walt Jr take the money, that I dunno.

And as far as what will happen to Jesse? I prefer not to even think about it. In that moment, he was free, and that's where I'd prefer to leave things

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97. "RE: well said"
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>And as far as what will happen to Jesse? I prefer not to even
>think about it. In that moment, he was free, and that's where
>I'd prefer to leave things

I think he turns his life around, but it's not gonna be easy. the optimist in me says he becomes a rehab counselor like the guy who killed his daughter.

  

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110. "Nice theory"
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He'll have some good stories to tell at the campfire

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149. "RE: Nice theory"
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>He'll have some good stories to tell at the campfire

& he will be able to spot posers crashing his meeting to push new product.

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118. "RE: well said"
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>I think he turns his life around, but it's not gonna be easy.
>the optimist in me says he becomes a rehab counselor like the
>guy who killed his daughter.


Marie knew of Jesse's involvement with Walt, which means the DEA knows of Jesse on some level. Also, Marie may or may not have been present when he made the confession video for Hank, so she could possible have given up some of the details to the remaining DEA agents as well. And there's also the fact the local ABQ police were onto Jesse when he was tossing out his $5 million before Hank got to him. All in all, odds are slim to none that Jesse stays local.

  

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130. "i thought about this, but to be optimistic again:"
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Marie can't prove anything, that confession doesn't mean much if the rest of the DEA/a lawyer weren't involved. And we know how obsessed Hank was with this investigation. Taping that confession for a pair of rogue cops out for vengeance won't hold up. and given what we now know about walt and the nature of his relationship w/ jesse, the majority of it can be sold as manipulation. not saying that would hold up in court but it could be his story, and it wouldn't even be a lie.

the money is trickier, but that investigation seemed like a dead end for the local police. of course the DEA could catch wind of it and it's a different story, but i still think walt's manipulation is a strong case.

  

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"^^^ This is what all the "it was *too* perfect" recaps and "think pieces..."


  

          

are either shockingly blowing past in order to get to the whining, or just flat-out ignoring...

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99. "I was oddly touched by that final scene"
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I looked over at my wife and just said, "Yo, that motherfucker really loved chemistry"

Kinda made me want to go back and watch all his cooks throughout the series

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135. "hey he was good at it(c) Walter White"
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loved that Walt said what he said to Skyler
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151. "Yeah, I felt that"
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In the moment I was kinda like 'yeah buddy clearly you did a bang-up job' but really, you gotta let him have it

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172. "Best part of the episode"
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100. "Loved it, but it was 'safe' to some extent. But why shouldn't it be?"
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I mean, who didn't love seeing Jesse finally give it to Todd via chain choke?

The gun being used in a badass way, even if the shit worked out just like it...

And I called Badger and Skinny Pete as the hitmen from the start...

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106. "Didn't Zootown more or less call that gun shit to a T?"
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How is he not cabbage patching all over this post? That's what I'd be doing

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107. "Nah, and nah"
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I don't recall calling it, but if I *did* I would just chalk it up to a lucky guess, or another possibility that was swimming around in my head...

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109. "I asked about possible 'twists' with the gun"
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And you mentioned the possibility of it being rigged up to fire automatically...

NOPE. CALLED IT! ZOOSTRADAMUS! REMEMBER HIS NAME!!

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113. "lol"
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136. "yeah, you were pretty close lol"
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105. "To steal the top comment from Reddit's r/BreakingBad..."
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The scarface ending happened. Walt, once again, got the best of someone with his brains - the Nazis could have killed him, but he tweaked Jack's pride at the last second and got his opportunity.

Just like two episodes ago, Jack pleads Walt to spare a life for the seven barrels of money, and just like two episodes ago, the plea is cut off by a bullet to the face.

Hank and Gomie will get a proper burial. Marie will get closure.

Lydia, who always cared so much about her perfect appearance (and her fucking Stevia packets) dies sneezing and puking in bed.

Jesse was freed, and got to brutally murder Todd for his lack of human emotion and his offhand murders of Drew Sharp and Andrea.

Walt got the last laugh in his relationship with Gretchen and Elliot, and his family will finally receive compensation for the shit he put them through.

Walt FINALLY admits that the business was more for him than for his family, and Skyler seemed genuinely relieved and pleased with him for coming to terms with it.

Walt and Jesse shared a final look of grim recognition for one another.

And Walt dies next to his one true love, as the cops descend upon him, ready to uncover the greatest crime story America has ever seen. His legacy will live on. They'll remember his name.

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115. "oh, also i loved this:"
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>Just like two episodes ago, Jack pleads Walt to spare a life
>for the seven barrels of money, and just like two episodes
>ago, the plea is cut off by a bullet to the face.

and the fact that Jack went out begging and pleading when Hank refused to.

>Lydia, who always cared so much about her perfect appearance
>(and her fucking Stevia packets) dies sneezing and puking in
>bed.

and i love Lydia's death. she always avoids getting her hands dirty, and puts the blinders on to the violence around her. she's avoided the reality of her world for far too long by dealing in coffee shops and drinking her tea, so being tricked into a slow, painful death when she thought she was safe is very fitting.

  

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122. "Well this pretty much confirms what we all knew"
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Nothing is going to make 100% of people happy

Outstanding final episode but they'll always be someone somewhere to find fault
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127. "The only finale I remember people being almost universally..."
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...happy with was Friday Night Lights.

Still though...this was GREAT.

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128. "RE: The only finale I remember people being almost universally..."
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>...happy with was Friday Night Lights.
>
>Still though...this was GREAT.


The Shield finale got universal love I thought. The show as a whole had it's detractors, myself included, but that finale was as good as things could have gotten given the substance of the show.

  

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132. "The Shield had maybe the best finale I've ever seen"
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And that includes Breaking Bad and Friday Night Lights.

I'd put it behind both of those shows overall, but that last sequence of the finale was a damn masterpiece.

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166. "yup Shield had an amazing finale and a great last few eps"
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131. "The Wire had a pretty well liked finale "
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Although that season as a whole got quite a bit of flack.

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144. "FNL and The Shield are the two best finales I've seen "
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BB is up there as well

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141. "a consequence of being put under a microscope"
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we're nitpicking and splitting hairs, since there's not much to debate except the execution and development. no controversial ending and conflict mostly resolved leaves us w/little else.

>Outstanding final episode but they'll always be someone
>somewhere to find fault

  

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155. "as with everyone else, The Shield for SURE. and "ANGEL""
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yes, the Buffy spinoff.
one of the most epic finales i ever seen.
(tis also my co-fav show evar).

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129. "Final podcast is up"
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http://www.amctv.com/shows/breaking-bad/insider-podcast-season-5

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142. "dope"
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Really cool how open Vince was about all the possible directions they considered throughout the show

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143. "Yep. And that story about his original pitch for what happened"
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after Jesse was killed off in season 1? Dude is seriously disturbed... lol

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146. "RE: Yep. And that story about his original pitch for what happened"
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>after Jesse was killed off in season 1? Dude is seriously
>disturbed... lol
>


or when Gilligan said he wanted to have Skyler commit suicide?

he *IS* twisted LOLOL

which makes CBS resurrecting the pilot he did with them 10 years ago and put it into active development to possibly be greenlight and potentially end up as a series next year is a head scratcher.

I get it prestige wise, but yea...

but Gilligan=great storyteller.

Whatever he does next, I can't wait to see it.

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137. "Just realized Andrea was Epyck from Friday Night Lights"
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the second worst FNL character behind Santiago. she was much better as Jesse's girl

  

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148. "I'm gonna have to say she was the worst."
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Santiago's storyline was bad, but as a character he was okay. They just ruined his storyline. Epyck was TERRIBLE.

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156. "Andrea was also Ray's employee on Men of a Certain Age"
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At the party store.

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139. "great finale, no real complaints or gripes."
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i wish walt's death was more heartbreaking than it was. but i guess the scene w/him, skyler, and his final speech and farewells to his family was a bit of a tearjerker.

  

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145. "a meditative and slow-moving climax. perfect way to go out"
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i have noticed a pattern with my fav writers/directors and the way they end a season or series. and they always tend to lean towards the 2nd/3rd-to-last ep(s) being the grandiose one(s), with the actual finale (series or season) being more of an epilogue. i think BB earned the right to go this route.

whilst it was tonally different, so was Walter. he had been exposed and stripped bare as Heisenberg. he had physically, emotionally and spiritually rotted to the core as Walter White. so the person we're seeing in the last two eps is someone completely new. he didn't even regress to his older WW persona from back in the Grey Matters/Gretchen association days. he was both the sum of all those personas and also none of them. i attribute this transformation to the decisions he made on his way to some form of redemption (just when we thought he wasn't capable or wouldn't be able to pull it off). his split-second decisions to stall for time with Uncle Jack, and then SAVE Jesse (after most-likely planning to kill him along with the Nazis), are testament to that transformation (showing both the ruthless tenacity of Heisenberg, and the sympathy/empathy of Walter).

it's almost like he'd reached a balance b/w these competing personas? but way too late in the game. moral being this is a guy who had to lose, BADLY, to enlighten himself and balance himself out as a human being. thus, vacating his hole in the snow, and carving a path toward what he'd always BLEATED about: providing for his family. admitting that wasn't his true intention was truly revelatory, and delivered in a beautifully understated fashion. there was no other way to go about it. he couldn't have yelled and screamed it like a crying baby. he was perfectly still and frank and honest.

the song choices were so on the money. big big kudos on that. Walt's visit to Gretchen & Elliott was (as i guessed) not with the intention of killing them. Walt's petty, but he was never going to murder them over their strategic decision to distance themselves from Walt and rewrite his legacy with the company. BUT, cornering them into washing his dirty money for the benefit of his family? masterful. as soon as those laser sights came on, gut instinct told me he was merely playing on their first-world comfort level. i honestly thought he'd paid like $5 to a couple of random kids to shine lasers for him, PLEASANT surprise when it turned out to be Badger (and/or Beaver) n Skinny Pete. i dont care if it was fan service, those two bring levity to every single scene they're in (Pete's line about things being sketchy, "morality-wise", was hilarity, and good meta commentary).

not every single thing was tied up into a neat bow, despite majority of the loose threads being...threaded. and that's just fine. there isn't guna be a weepy reconciliation b/w Walt and Flynn (Jr. made that clear with the phone call). as much as it was a punch to the GUTS, it speaks to the brilliance of the show that it managed to elicit sympathy for Walt as he longingly/regretfully gazed at Flynn, knowing he would never win back his love or trust before the end. that hurts, even for a monster like Heisenberg.

as for peripheral characters (wtf happened to Kuby?), leaving Huell sitting in that room was kinda hilarious and cool. much as he became a fan fav, we didn't need to revisit that story. the fate of Brock was also somethin that was left up in the air (most of us just assume Jesse would try and get in touch with the kid). i'm super duper glad SAUL made it alive, as he should (dude is the most resourceful character on the show outside of Walt).

the most touching moments revolved around two key scenes for me: Walt's final visit to Skyler and Holly, and the non-verbal understanding nod b/w Walt and Jesse before the end, showing despite EVERYthing, Jesse, in some morbid way, gives a crap. their relationship has always been the driving factor of the show, the push and pull, always seeing Jesse get sucked into one more bad situation after another after trying to get out (another Godfather callback perhaps in a "just when i thought i was out...they pulllll me back in" style).

in a lot of ways, Walt got to hone his skills of deception and mental trickery with Jesse, the poor bastard. HOWEVER, and i'm not slipping into some demented GD-style "fuck that lil bitch Pinkamn/Walt Jr/Skyler/someone who isn't Heisenberg" shit. yes we pay for the ticket and enjoy the ride along with Walt, that's always a given, but we're also explicitly guided along in terms of morality and shown what's cool and what's not. Jesse got involved in and executed a number of dodgy acts, including murdering someone in cold blood, playing a rather large role in the destruction of Jane (it wasn't just Walt's decision that killed her), got Andrea killed, and is co-responsible for flooding the market with and creating brand new meth addicts. dude coulda walked away from the life, but got sucked back in for revenge and copped 6 more months of hell on Earth. seems like it was his penance or jail-time for the shit he pulled. and Walt's come-uppance is just to plain DIE. i think that nod in the end was so LOADED with acknowledgement of both past and present indiscretions both have visited upon each other and onto others, it was all that they needed to do or say in that moment (or their final moments together).

Jesse then roaring outta the gate was cathartic. i really felt happy for the kid (and i dig his longer hair lol).

Walt. what can be said about one of THE characters of our modern times. ppl will be dissecting him for years to come, with great reasons. i was both personally and emotionally satisfied at his conclusion, cos after everything got stripped away, he was just a dude in love with the chemistry. no evil masterminding, no treading lightly, just a dude with his toys knowing he achieved a heckuva lot in a short period of time. and we're allowed to feel that feeling with him, despite all the carnage it caused along the way, just becos that's how good BB was, it made u give a fuck about the monster.

(i typed all this in my last hour at work lol, sorry for getn speechy or elongated with it).

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153. "http://i.imgur.com/WP1LLuE.jpg"
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157. "WALT GANG FOREVER."
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Dude surpassed the wheelchair bomb with that robot.

His final moments being in the lab gave me chills.

The tone of the closing song felt weird to me though, even though it was on point lyrically.

But whatever, such an awesome ending.

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158. "Norm Macdonald says it was all a dream. "
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159. "Are we supposed to scroll through every tweet of his to find it?"
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160. "hes tweeted about 300+ times the past 2 days"
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so 1 or 2 links arent gonna do u any good.

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161. "it's the same theory as emily nussbasum linked here"
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162. "i was just about to post this. read Norms tweets like 10mins ago"
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it's a pretty cool theory.
but there's too many things that Walt couldn't have known about to have it pop up in a fantasy reality he creates during his dying moments.
that said, the whole ep after him finding the keys DID feel hecka dream-like.

great.
i need to watch this shit again.

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163. "the keys were definitely a statement"
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But the interpretation I'm going with is that the writers were basically answering his prayers, and were gonna see to it that he got what he wanted. "Give me this one impossible thing (not just finding the keys, but the cops not finding him, etc.) and I'll make sure the rest of the plot stays relatively hole free."

I like this dead Walt theory and it's something I'd considered – the ending reminded me of Taxi Driver, and that's one where I definitely ride with the 'dying fantasy' theory

But you can't just point to the dream logic of this one episode and ignore the precedents set for it throughout the series. Lots of convenient, unlikely shit has happened along the way to get Walt to this point. Does that mean he died in Season 1? Trying to separate the 'real' story from the 'imaginary' story is often a fool's errand when the whole story is in fact imaginary. Just because your suspension of disbelief runs out, it doesn't mean the show's storytelling mechanics have ceased to function.

And the whole "I was alive" thing, it's like people are looking for literal ways to back up their nonliteral interpretation. Walt IS dead, he IS a ghost, but not necessarily in the 'Who you gonna call' sense.

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165. "Lotsa people ain't up on their Shakespeare/Greeks"
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The keys were classic Deus Ex Machina.

And, as there are 5 seasons, it tracks with a classic 5 act Shakespeare tragedy.

Hank's death in Ozymandias is the cathartic action that lets Walt realize his flaw. Granite State is the reckoning with that flaw. And Felina is like the duel at the end of Hamlet, with Jesse left alive for the reckoning a la Horatio. IDK WHAT people were looking for, but Felina was pretty perfect.

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173. "this ^^^"
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i mean i love just sifting through the theories themselves but this is making some sense too.

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184. "Basically. Classical story structure."
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198. "Breaking Bard!"
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168. "So does this writer from the New Yorker. Really great article:"
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2013/09/breaking-bad-finale-reviewed.html

I agree with almost every word she wrote there.

Also, here's a link to a good summary article that puts all of Norm's (pretty excellent) tweets in context:

http://philly.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/norm-macdonald-poses-theory-that-walter-white-actually-died-in-snowy-car-is-probably-right/

I'm personally hopping on board with this theory 100% because it's the only one, for me, that rises to the level of greatness that I'd seen on the show up until that episode. The finale felt so wildly out of step with the rest of the series (and specifically where all of S5 had been going) that, to me, this is the best way to explain it all.

The other thing I love about this theory is that it means the penultimate episode (which I personally felt after it aired was masterful and possibly the best episode of the series) was the true ending of the Walter White story, and the one that, IMO, is much more fitting and realistic. (The shitty thing about this theory is that Jesse is still a meth slave, but he probably got caught by cops after crashing through the gates anyway...)

But the icing on the cake to me is that the only place in which all the shit that happened in the finale is plausible is in Walt's mind, and for that reason alone, this theory itself is more plausible than the episode at face value. This isn't really a blind shot in the dark, either. I mean, it literally makes a ton of sense to me to read it this way, and IMO really enhances last few episodes.

I'm sure most people won't agree, but whatever.

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169. "Interesting he mentions Jesse's dream sequence"
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Because that's one of the first things that jumps out at me as evidence to the contrary of this theory.

I just don't see the Breaking Bad writers putting one character's fantasy inside another's. That's some Inception ass, crossing-the-streams, psychological turducken shit right there.

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185. "I mean, the big reason I don't agree is because Vince Gilligan disagrees..."
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He said he wanted no ambiguity left in what happens. The "dream" theory is a nice stretch for English majors to play with, but it doesn't have any foundation in the truth.

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188. "Right. I'd buy this theory if he hadn't been so adamant..."
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... about giving the series a definitive ending. I feel like he wouldn't be afraid to cut from the meth lab to Walt dead in the car if that's what he was intending to get across.

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200. "He wouldn't have needed to even be THAT clear."
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Just cut from that to a frame of an icy window or something. Let people interpret THAT.

It's just not Gilligan's style. He doesn't really deal in storytelling ambiguity.

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192. "It's not Walt's 'dream' - it's his 'fantasy.' Huge difference."
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Look, I understand why some people don't like this interpretation, but one of the reasons it sits so well with me is that it doesn't crumble under scrutiny. In fact, it gets stronger the more you think about it.

So many little things really do add up.

Even think of how they show Walt die. The cops don't get him. The Nazis don't get hm. Jesse doesn't get him. He gets himself. In his sick mind, the only person who can bring down Walter White is Walter White.

At the risk of being redundant, he:

A) Settles the score with Gretchen and Elliot
B) Figures out a way to get his money to his kids
C) Reconciles with Skyler (and gives her a Get out of Jail ticket)
D) Says goodbye to his daughter and glimpses Flynn
E) Poisons Lydia (and gets the satisfaction of rubbing it in on the phone)
F) Kills all the Nazis (to avenge Hank AND get his own revenge)
G) Rescues Jesse from bondage
H) Dies relatively at peace with himself

He also drives cross country, pops up in restaurants, chats with waitresses, stops at gas stations, finds Badger & Skinny Pete, etc. etc. without anyone noticing him, even though he's the most wanted man in America. (So famous that they even dedicate episodes of Charlie Rose to him.)

I know people have said Walt has had luck in the past, but not THAT much luck.

The thing I love about this interpretation is that it's just ambiguous enough that it allows debate. And what we're debating is which fate we prefer for Walt. The miserable one from Granite State where he dies alone, in hiding, with money he can't spend and a family who hates him and his name being erased from the history books, or the one from Felina where he gets his swag back for one last stand and achieves basically all that he sets out to achieve. The beauty of the debate, though, is not just in thinking about which fate he received, but which fate he deserved.

I also personally think that there are a lot of subtle clues that signal a sort of break from reality. Todd and Lydia never sat face to face in reality. Face to face is a break from reality. This one is minor, but anyone who lives in New England knows you can't tap a window and have every single ounce of snow fall off perfectly. That appears to me to signal a break from reality.

The way he just sort of materializes in places even signals a break from reality in my opinion, especially in Skyler's kitchen. It's almost like he appears out of thin air. (Oh, and last time we saw Skyler she though Walt killed Hank and tried to stab him with a butcher knife. The "reconciliation" makes a lot more sense if it's how Walt imagined it would go...)

Even Lydia just happening to call RIGHT AFTER the shoot out just so Walt can have the satisfaction of rubbing it in is exactly the kind of thing that would happen in his mind. (So is the fact that all the Nazis would die EXCEPT Jack and Todd so that he and Jesse can kill them.)

Shit, event the fact that HEISENBERG is spray painted in his house is just the grossly egotistical way he'd imagine it, because it means he's some kind of a legend like Tony Montana, and not a worthless loser.

To me, Granite State is the realistic, honest ending and Felina is the surreal, sugar-coated fantasy ending. But I guess sometimes fantasies can come true, so if that's what you want, there...




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193. "Why would Gretchen and Elliot have a picture of Walt in their house?"
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194. "Given Walt's ego, isn't this something of a compromised fantasy?"
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196. "I'd say considering his bleak situation at the opening of the epidose..."
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It's literally the best-case scenario (on nearly all fronts) that he could have hoped for in reality.

Walt was an ego maniac but he was also sort of a realist. It's basically his plan as he would have envisioned it playing out, without a hitch, knowing everything that had already transpired. Anything crazy like skipping off to the Cayman Islands with Skyler, Flynn and Holly would have been a nice thought but would have been way too much of a departure to make sense here.

Like I said, I think it's intentionally sort of ambiguous to allow for debate, so in order to work it needed to remain grounded in semi-reality.

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199. "I think Felina as Walt's fantasy is the moralist audience's fantasy."
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I have yet to hear a concrete argument for the fantasy/dream that is based in something that takes place on screen.

It's certainly an interpretation that people who don't want Walt to win will cherish. So it's your projection of the ending you WANT, without having anything actually *there* to root it in, outside of sheer willpower.

Again, it's obviously fun to play these games, especially when you're disappointed with what's actually on the screen when you've loved the show for years and badly wanted something different... I'm an English major. I get it.

But when there's nothing from the author's mouth nor from the actual artistic output that indicates this "fantasy"... yeah. It's just not actually there imo.

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202. "What's wrong with that? "
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>I have yet to hear a concrete argument for the fantasy/dream
>that is based in something that takes place on screen.

Well, like I said above, I think it's at least ambiguous enough that it can be debated. (Is that not why we are here?! To debate our interpretations of art?!) I consider the episode and I see an unprecedented avalanche of amazingly convenient coincidences that dwarfs anything else the show has ever asked us to accept. I also see a fairly significant departure in tone (both in terms of style and content) from the episodes that preceded it.

My interpretation, though, is a little more complex and considered than simply, "I didn't like the ending, so I'm going to pretend it's a dream."

To me, everything that comes after the scene when the cops approach him in a stolen car (!) stuck in the snow, the episode plays absolutely *perfectly* as a defeated, depleted man playing out his final plan in his mind. I mean, it really does play perfectly. To me, every single thing that happens in the episode is exactly how Walt would have imagined it happening. I won't keep beating a dead horse and citing the myriad reasons why I think the interpretation really holds up, but I really do think it does.


>It's certainly an interpretation that people who don't want
>Walt to win will cherish. So it's your projection of the
>ending you WANT, without having anything actually *there* to
>root it in, outside of sheer willpower.

Eh, it's not just for moralist reasons, though that IS probably part of it. It's also probably at least partly a reaction to a show that consistently defied convention trotting out such an insanely far-fetched, cliche-riddled conclusion. (Seth Myers & Amy Pohler could do a Weekend Update REALLY?!? segment for almost everything that happens in the episode.) To me, the place where all of this most the most sense - from a storytelling perspective, from a moralist perspective, from a logic perspective, from a believability perspective - is in the head of Walter.


>Again, it's obviously fun to play these games, especially when
>you're disappointed with what's actually on the screen when
>you've loved the show for years and badly wanted something
>different... I'm an English major. I get it.
>
>But when there's nothing from the author's mouth nor from the
>actual artistic output that indicates this "fantasy"... yeah.
>It's just not actually there imo.

I mean, Ebert is on record as reading the very last scene of Taxi Driver as Travis Bickle's dying fantasy, even though Paul Schrader has explicitly stated that it's intended as a literal, ironic ending. To me, the intent is almost irrelevant. It *can* be read either way, so it really just boils down to however an individual chooses to see it.

Whatever. It's just my interpretation. I think it works and holds up on a whole fucking ton of levels, and although I have no concrete evidence that it was intended, it makes total sense to me regardless. I don't begrudge someone for not agreeing at this point. I actually think (and hope) part of the the point was to make it debatable.

(Not sure you remember this, but we disagreed on whether the ending of TAKE SHELTER was a fantasy, too...)


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203. "haha, I forgot about Take Shelter."
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Yeah, I get where you're coming from. I'm just sort of baffled by the widespread current trend of "death dream reads" (Gravity has gotten a lot of chatter regarding this as well for some reason). Oh well.

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195. "That's half of it, yeah"
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But I still think that storytelling is a 2-way street and it's fair play for an interpretation to run independent of an author's stated intent. Especially when said author is fond of talking about 'organic storytelling' and 'letting the characters tell the story' – Which is more bullshit than anything, I think, but if that were the case, who's to say Vince didn't fully understand what Walt was trying to tell him?

There are other reasons to not ride with the 'fantasy' theory but strangely Vince G's input doesn't rank too high on that list for me

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201. "Oh, I agree that it's not the "definitive" answer."
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God only knows Lindelof has sold us loads of bullshit in the past about his work.

But it certainly helps back up the fact that there isn't any indication of fantasy on screen when the author states clearly the conclusion is meant to be definitive.

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170. "Stupid theory. This shit ain't Lost."
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People overanalyzing shit just for the sake of it.

Type of fools that do this shit seriously:
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171. "I'm pacing myself for the Mad Men finale"
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Now that will likely end on some ambiguous, esoteric shit

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179. "Yep. And people will be pissed about it, just like they "
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174. "One thing that is interesting is the snow/date thing"
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While Walt is in NH it is cold and snowy, looks to be the dead of winter.

When he is back in NM, it is September 7, as he is celebrating his birthday in the diner. Thinking it took him a few days to get to NM, it was snowing really bad for August in NH.

I don't really believe the theory, but I also don't see them messing up something so simple when they are typically so meticulous.




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178. "one major flaw to this theory is Walt knowing Jesse is imprisoned"
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for him to know exactly how he's being held up with the long chain in the lab makes no sense. i mean he could figure out that Jesse was alive and cooking for the Aryans by force but for him to know the exact set up doesn't add up. Also why would his plan include Jesse killing Todd? That's his revenge based on the torture Todd specifically put him through which Walt has no clue about either.

If this is all supposed to be Walt envisioning his plan (and not a dream or his imagination just running), he wouldn't envision himself discovering that Jesse must be the one good the math based on a conversation with Badger and them. he would just assuming it from having seen the news story and act accordingly.

Either way, whatever helps you enjoy the ep i guess.

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191. "unless Walt died in the shootout at the end of To'hajiilee"
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180. "I think everything that happened to Walt was a form of "
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divine providence

He made a deal with God (or the gods) to get Walt home (as stated) so he could finish his business (unstated)

And God (or the gods) obliged and provided him a (relatively) clean path to his death

I honestly don't think there's any other way to read this episode

This is the show, after all, that had no problem touching on fate and providence

I realize there's a need to somehow make "logical" sense of the *too clean* sequence of events in the episode, but I think the "it was a dream" shit is an attempt to be *too* logical

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181. "Who originally said all that?"
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182. ""Norm McDonald says it was all a dream""
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187. "Thanks for clarifying (/sarcasm)"
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I'm just going to assume that the "all of that" that you're asking about is referring to the stuff that I said *I* think is what happens

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189. "a much more satisfying read on the situation than the dream theory"
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this and the deux ex machina interpretations ring truer.

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190. "Thank you, sir!"
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