Fact: Its the 2nd best MOBSTER/GANGSTER film of the
last 25 years.

Its fact. Don't spit out your latte, because it will
stain your birkenstocks.

I know - to you artsy fartsies, it started off with an
automatic demerit, since Denzel was in it and Scorcese
didn't direct it.

PTP doesn't like Denzel, because well...everyone else
fucking loves Denzel. When you do like Denzel, you say
something to the effect of:


"He was great in 'Glory'"


LOL. PTP - Denzel is as on top of his acting game
now, as ever. He just don't care about no trophies
no more. He already has an Oscar and humped
Julia Roberts a lot <--all one needs to do in terms
of credentials.


But to 'American Gangster'


Got pretty mediocre reviews from the artsy fartsies.


I just wanted to remind you that this is the 2nd best
mobster movie of the past 25, easily.


Its a distant, distant, distant, distant, distant,
distant, 2nd to 'Goodfellas'.

But is in 2nd place.

Its about 4,000 times better than 'Heat(one of the
most overrated movies, ever)'

Its about 3,000 times better than 'Donnie Brasco'.

Its about 2,000 times better than 'Bugsy'.

Its about 500,000 times better than 'Casino', which
was basically a caricature of 'Goodfellas'.

'Carlito's Way' is in 3rd place, but its not nearly
as good as 'American Gangster'.

Not sure if you wanna count 'The Usual Suspects', but
that movie is basically like 'Clue'. Its fun but
astonishingly back heavy (its whole significance is
determined by the ending). Not very good.

LOL @ it being in the same discussion as 'Public Enemies'.

No, 'The Departed' was not a mobster movie. It was a comedy,
with Jack Nicholson saying cute things to the camera every
3 or 4 scenes, and Mark Wahlberg cussing into the camera
like a high school football coach every 6 scenes.

And even if it was a mobster movie, it wasn't as good as
'American Gangster'.

'Godfather 3'? I think its funny how people say
'American Gangster' was boring and then turn right
around and big up those long, dry ass Godfather movies.

Godfather 3 was easily the worst of the trilogy.

American Gangster had TWO VERY NUANCED PROTAGONISTS,
with TWO INTERESTING STORIES.

It was paced VERY, VERY, well.

It did a good job of showing HOW he rose to the top,
what his PHILOSOPHIES WERE, WHY HE WAS GOOD AT WHAT
HE DID, and described, in great detail, who his enemies
were.


It had a great ANGLE AND HOOK (a black man above the
MOB in the drug game) + a JERSEY JEWISH COP tryna solve
a crime in NEW YORK who also establishes
a weird bond with the guy he's trying to take down

It had racial dynamics, family dynamics, New York-New
Jersey dynamics, drug game dynamics, some vietnam shit up
in there, some philosophical shit, all that.


^^^Brilliant


I understand that you're mad, but I'm gonna have to ask you
to understand that what I'm saying is a FACT

Not an opinion

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1. Denzel Washington sucks. We at PTP will continue to talk about how much we hate him, because he is such a terrible actor and I for one resent his success. And he should have stayed away from beloved Julia. She's too good for... him.

2. No film is better than Bugsy. It's why we talk about it so much as one of our favorite films ever. That's why we have endless posts talking about it.

3. Like everyone in PTP has always said, Godfather 3 is a masterpiece, the high point of the trilogy and an astounding coming out party for gifted actress and director Sofia Coppola.

These are the facts, jack. Damn, it makes me so MAD that I even have to type them for you when they're so clear to anyone that posts here regularly.

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>1. Denzel Washington sucks. We at PTP will continue to talk
>about how much we hate him, because he is such a terrible
>actor and I for one resent his success. And he should have
>stayed away from beloved Julia. She's too good for... him.
>
>2. No film is better than Bugsy. It's why we talk about it so
>much as one of our favorite films ever. That's why we have
>endless posts talking about it.
>
>3. Like everyone in PTP has always said, Godfather 3 is a
>masterpiece, the high point of the trilogy and an astounding
>coming out party for gifted actress and director Sofia
>Coppola.
>
>These are the facts, jack. Damn, it makes me so MAD that I
>even have to type them for you when they're so clear to anyone
>that posts here regularly.

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>F**K THIS! I'M DONE WITH THIS POST.


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whoosh?

. . .
psn: sirius_fruits

but that shit's stupid though.

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nah, i think it's just 'casm. i hope.

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and you don't even realize it. you just keep co-signing him.

At least, on how the presented his life outside of his pursuit of the case. The whole family/divorce angle bored the shit out of me. I think there was a story to be told about a Jewish cop/lawyer from Jersey who took the entire NY crime system, but they should have just forgone the background family bullshit. And just found a better way to tell it.

Honestly, the movie needed more Denzel. And the Lucas family in general. THAT was the family stuff I cared about. Ruby Dee was excellent in it, but really, she was grossly underused. Cuba Gooding as Nicky Barnes was also excellent, but again, barely used. And his subplot gets completely forgotten, especially after the great confrontation scene between him and Frank in Nicky's club.

Finally, the movie needed to be directed by Spike Lee. Antoine Fuqua (the original director) would've been fine too, but it really should have been Spike. What makes the story interesting is that a Black man bucks the system, and ends up pimping the Mob like the mob had pimped his mentor. And the film didn't address that angle nearly as much as it should have.

"American Gangster" is a good movie. I'd evne say it was one of the better movies of 2007. But I'll disagree in calling it the second best gangster movie in the last 25 years.

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I don't agree, but I respect every one of your
opinion

>At least, on how the presented his life outside of his
>pursuit of the case. The whole family/divorce angle bored the
>shit out of me. I think there was a story to be told about a
>Jewish cop/lawyer from Jersey who took the entire NY crime
>system, but they should have just forgone the background
>family bullshit. And just found a better way to tell it.

I hear you, but I think that Russell Crowe's angle
was important, because you had to see what drove the
cop - he wasn't some super moral freedom fighter, like
Eliot Ness. He was sort of a fuckup, and this case was
sort of like his chance for redemption.

Think about it that way

>Honestly, the movie needed more Denzel. And the Lucas family
>in general. THAT was the family stuff I cared about. Ruby Dee
>was excellent in it, but really, she was grossly underused.
>Cuba Gooding as Nicky Barnes was also excellent, but again,
>barely used. And his subplot gets completely forgotten,
>especially after the great confrontation scene between him and
>Frank in Nicky's club.

Eh - the way your putting it is just a standard biopic of
a crime figure. WE've had those already and they've been
done to death.

What makes the Frank Lucas story compelling is the cop:

He's the one who ended up Lucas' lawyer later in life.

Its very compelling and sets this story apart from other
mobster tales


>Finally, the movie needed to be directed by Spike Lee. Antoine
>Fuqua (the original director) would've been fine too, but it
>really should have been Spike. What makes the story
>interesting is that a Black man bucks the system, and ends up
>pimping the Mob like the mob had pimped his mentor. And the
>film didn't address that angle nearly as much as it should
>have.

Eh - I thought the race part got its proper attention.

That was part of what made Lucas' story great: It was about
race, but it was about a mobster. He was to be admired by
anyone of any race. Putting a black man in a non black
context emphasized that

>"American Gangster" is a good movie. I'd evne say it was one
>of the better movies of 2007. But I'll disagree in calling it
>the second best gangster movie in the last 25 years.

Fair enough. I don't agree, but appreciate your insight

>At least, on how the presented his life outside of his
>pursuit of the case. The whole family/divorce angle bored the
>shit out of me. I think there was a story to be told about a
>Jewish cop/lawyer from Jersey who took the entire NY crime
>system, but they should have just forgone the background
>family bullshit. And just found a better way to tell it.
>
>Honestly, the movie needed more Denzel. And the Lucas family
>in general. THAT was the family stuff I cared about. Ruby Dee
>was excellent in it, but really, she was grossly underused.
>Cuba Gooding as Nicky Barnes was also excellent, but again,
>barely used. And his subplot gets completely forgotten,
>especially after the great confrontation scene between him and
>Frank in Nicky's club.
>
>Finally, the movie needed to be directed by Spike Lee. Antoine
>Fuqua (the original director) would've been fine too, but it
>really should have been Spike. What makes the story
>interesting is that a Black man bucks the system, and ends up
>pimping the Mob like the mob had pimped his mentor. And the
>film didn't address that angle nearly as much as it should
>have.
>
>"American Gangster" is a good movie. I'd evne say it was one
>of the better movies of 2007. But I'll disagree in calling it
>the second best gangster movie in the last 25 years.

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>
>'Godfather 3'? I think its funny how people say
>'American Gangster' was boring and then turn right
>around and big up those long, dry ass Godfather movies.
>
>Godfather 3 was easily the worst of the trilogy.
>


and who said it wasn't the worst of the trilogy?

and i haven't seen many gangster movies from the 80's and 90's, so I'll just address that.

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who would ever say it ISNT the worst of the three? nobody. ever.

Maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but I thought PTP regulars get excited whenever they hear about Denzel getting cast in most flicks. Isn't he highly respected around here?

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I liked AG, but didn't love it, nothing on Denzel cuz his acting was great, just didn't pull me in as much as I wanted it to

I did enjoy Casino, Heat and Departed more, not saying they are without flaws but they entertained me more. Though I have seen Casino and Heat many times, while seeing AG and Departed once each so may need more viewings. The others you listed I can definately agree it being better than as Donnie Brasko was boring as shit and I omit Godfather III from existing.

I was really with you on the I Robot post tho, cuz that movie still kicks ass to me.

try better, harder, at mad making. we laughing.

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I'd say The Departed is closer than Heat is. It's at least about "gangs," whereas Heat is about a couple of individuals who do heists together. It's more of a heist film-- Heat is closer to something like Ocean's 11 in terms of it being about "gangs." When it was brought up at the beginning of this post, I was confused... I think the two aren't comparable at all imo. It has really nothing pertaining to a "gangster lifestyle." Words like "con man" and "burglar" come to mind first. But perhaps I'm just debating semantics.

In terms of sheer gangster films? Although I only give American Gangster 3.5 stars, that is more than Donnie Brasco, Casino, or Public Enemies. I haven't seen Bugsy.

Until someone names a better movie about gangsters in the past 25 years, it's possible I have to cosign. Like I said, it's not a 4-star classic to me... but there aren't that many very good gangster films in the past 25 years. There are some good ones, sure. But great 4-star gangster films? *scratches head*

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I'd put Untouchables over AG, even tho its flawed too, it has nastalgia for me as I loved it when I was younger and didn't see the obvious flaws I do now with it, similar to Scarface which I still have fun with. It barely fits under the 25 year mark as well.

IMO, of those listed, Casino, Bugsy, and The Departed are all better movies than American Gangster.

Millier's Crossing is also better than AG, and is my pick for the second best gangster movie in the past 25 years.

EditL I forgot Untouchables. Also better than AG (which is still a good, but not great movie). Props to Go Mack for reminding me.

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>Millier's Crossing is also better than AG, and is my pick for
>the second best gangster movie in the past 25 years.

Once Upon a Time in America, Donnie Brasco, State of Grace, A History of Violence (and Eastern Promises, mind you), Boondock Saints even the sleepy Road to Perdition fit as much, if not more, into the narrow view of this post and are better than AG.

>Once Upon a Time in America

I haven't seen it in a looooong time. It thought it was a very good movie, but not as great as some view it. There was greatness in it. As of now, can't call it.

>Donnie Brasco

Liked AG better.

>State of Grace

Again, haven't seen it a loooong time. I remember like just about all of the performances, and the plot was solid. As of now, can't call it.

>A History of Violence

Very good movie. Very good to great performances. Liked AG a lil' better.

(and Eastern Promises, mind you)

Still haven't seen it.

>Boondock Saints

Haven't seen it, but I'm skeptical to say the least. Maybe because the director is a collossal prick (saw the documentary about it).

>even the sleepy Road to Perdition

Liked Hanks, Newman, and Craig in it. Didn't really like the movie that much. American Gangster was decidedly better.

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>>Once Upon a Time in America

That was good. Not nearly as provocative
as AG though

Carlito's Way better

>>Donnie Brasco

LOL

Not in the same galaxy as AG

>>State of Grace

Haven't seen it, but nobody mentions it,
which means you're probably just making
shitup


>>A History of Violence


LOL @ this being called a "Mobster movie."

Nigga, no it wasn't.

And even if it was, it was not better than AG



>(and Eastern Promises, mind you)

Saw it, AG better.


>>Boondock Saints

LOL

I'm not even going to entertain this
bullshit

>>even the sleepy Road to Perdition

LOL. LOL. No.


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I haven't seen in in like 14 years, so it's not a fresh in my mind as AG, but it is legit. Irish Mob movie with Sean Penn, Gary Oldman, and Ed Harris, all of whom are great. And Robin Wright Penn doesn't annoy me in it. It's definitely worth viewing.

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>I haven't seen in in like 14 years, so it's not a fresh in my
>mind as AG, but it is legit. Irish Mob movie with Sean Penn,
>Gary Oldman, and Ed Harris, all of whom are great. And Robin
>Wright Penn doesn't annoy me in it. It's definitely worth
>viewing.

I'll check for it.


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And if you haven't seen any of them but dismiss them because "other people don't talk about them", well, then that shows how shitty and mad of a critic you are.


>>>Once Upon a Time in America
>
>That was good. Not nearly as provocative
>as AG though
>

It was far more historically accurate and important of a film than AG.

>>>Donnie Brasco
>
>LOL
>
>Not in the same galaxy as AG

Far better written movie than AG. And two great actors> 1 great actor and one phoned in performance (crowe).

>>>State of Grace
>
>Haven't seen it, but nobody mentions it,
>which means you're probably just making
>shitup
>

*smh*
If you have Netflix, que it.


>>>A History of Violence
>
>
>LOL @ this being called a "Mobster movie."
>
>Nigga, no it wasn't.
>
>And even if it was, it was not better than AG

It's more about the mob than Heat was. And it was better than AG.

>
>>(and Eastern Promises, mind you)
>
>Saw it, AG better.

Russian mafia>>>a family in North Carolina.



>>>even the sleepy Road to Perdition
>
>LOL. LOL. No.

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>>Once Upon a Time in America

Sorry, no. AG's title is better. Once upon sound like a fuckin fairy tale bout to be read to me. I DON'T READ NO FAIRYTALES!!!! Mad? AG BETTER!


>>Donnie Brasco

LOL. Not even close. Johnny Depp ain't seein Will Smith, Will Smith black, Denzel is black, Denzel's in AG, AG GOOD!

>>State of Grace

Shit got Grace in the title....SOFT!!!

>>A History of Violence

Shit's a comic book. AG is real life. Mad?

>>Boondock Saints

BWAHAHAHAHA! Shit's a cartoon!!!! How a cartoon with two little nigga's talkin shit bout crackers better than AG?!?!?! You a lil too mad right now for me. NOPE!! GOOD!!! Mad?

>>even the sleepy Road to Perdition

Not even goin into this. This shit was seriously boring.

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Though it's certainly flawed as well.

The Dick Ritchie story, for example, was pretty bland. I didn't care about his marriage issues at all. But Russell Crowe was good. Denzel killed it and I LOVED the character of Frank Lucas (yeah I know he's a real guy but his life was so over the top).

It's a good film, but it's more comparable to Heat than it is to a mobster/gangster flick...just because you have a chess match of sorts playing out. For the most part I love the movie, flaws and all. I do love they changed the ending (or rather just cut out unnecessary shit) - because the one they left in is fantastic.

It's good. I watch it pretty often.

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and the movie dragged when crowe's character came on screen. That movie shoulda been 65/35 in favor of denzel

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'Long, dry ass Godfather movies'...I stopped reading there. I don't care what you thought of Part 3, you just called Van Gogh a graffiti artist with that line.

And, no, American Gangster is not the second best gangster pic of the last 25 years.

Defiantly not on American gangster being one of the best gangster films of the last 25 years but on these things:

>Its about 3,000 times better than 'Donnie Brasco'.
>
>Its about 2,000 times better than 'Bugsy'.
>
>Its about 500,000 times better than 'Casino', which
>was basically a caricature of 'Goodfellas'.
>
>
>Not sure if you wanna count 'The Usual Suspects', but
>that movie is basically like 'Clue'. Its fun but
>astonishingly back heavy (its whole significance is
>determined by the ending). Not very good.
>
>LOL @ it being in the same discussion as 'Public Enemies'.
>
>And even if it was a mobster movie, it wasn't as good as
>'American Gangster'.


Having said that, who says that Godfather 3 is a great gangster film? It's interesting but it ain't great. The only ppl who would say that are ppl who stan series or types of movies. you know those ppl who'll talk about how great Back to the Future 3 was or say that Blow is one of their favorite films even though just it's a mediocre attempt to remake goodfellas.

>'Godfather 3'? I think its funny how people say
>'American Gangster' was boring and then turn right
>around and big up those long, dry ass Godfather movies.
>
>Godfather 3 was easily the worst of the trilogy.
>


My biggest problem with American Gangster was that it was like watching an ADD version of the Godfather or another classic gangster film. Every scene was like less than 2 minutes and wasn't always needed, it should have taken it's time with a lot of the more important stuff and dropped the bs. Cuba Gooding Jr should have been in it a lot more, I mean he had that role in the zone and was barely used.

There were some great elements of the Vietnam war but the fact that they made seem like 1 black guy was the cause of the heroin epidemic in the 70's is not only not true but harmful to history. The CIA's involvement is not only well-documented but rarely talked about outside politic books.

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It was FAR better than Boondock Saints, better than Departed, Donnie Brasco and Godfather 3 (although GF3 is awful and I've never heard anyone defend it,) and Eastern Promises.

It's also better than Hoodlum, a good movie nobody brought up.

IMO not better than Millers Crossing or Carlito's Way, which does not get nearly the credit it deserves. I'd put Goodfellas at the top, Millers Crossing at 2 (haven't seen State of Grace,) and maybe CW third. Casino and AG are even at worst, not sure where the Casino hate is coming from.

Once Upon a Time in America is . . . I don't know. Great in it's own right, but it doesn't feel like a gangster film. It's not a bad thing, not a good thing, just what it is.I'd put it ahead of the Departed, but not top 5.

Heat and A History of Violence are really not gangster flicks, not like AG or these others are.

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Once i knew the real story I figured it was NO way anyone could fuck it up

but Ridley went all Michael Mann and shit

The most interesting aspects of the whole shit were glossed over especially the racial aspects

I mean a Black man was over the fucking mob

Seemed like Ridley was just tryna make Heat part 2

It was still straight though
just not in my top 5

1.Goodfellas
2.Carlito's Way
3.GOD pt II
4.GF pt 1
5.Heat

Maybe not mobster but definitely gangster. And unquestionably better than American Gangster (which I like, btw).

It might suffer from being, like Casino, a love letter to Goodfellas.

But it's still better than AG.

And I agree that Public Enemies is damned horrible. Opened my eyes to the myth of Johnny Depp.

But it's better than most movies that came out in the past 25 years.

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There are 2 main storylines and one of them involves MS-13 (I can't recall if the gangs are actually referred to as MS-13). It's not entirely a gangster movie but I think there's enough of it to qualify. The 2 storylines do converge.

I agree that AG is very good film, arguably a top 5 gangster film in the past 25 years. Without a doubt in the top 7.

However, AG is not touching Miller's Crossing or Carlito's Way. And for those of you who have been ripping on State of Grace, see it first and then judge. Great acting and a good story on the Westies in Hell's Kitchen.

King of New York anyone? I'll take Walken over Denzel any day.

How about New Jack City? Some may call it just a hood flick, but it's definitely a contender.

I liked Eastern Promises a lot, but it's probably too subtle of a film to overtake AG.

After thinking about it for a bit, I'd put Untouchables over AG, Election/Triad Election, as well as Hoffa and Blow if those can be squeezed into the category. But definitely Miller's Crossing, Carlito's Way, and State of Grace.

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>King of New York anyone? I'll take Walken over Denzel any day.

I'll say that King of New York is great for repeated viewings when you're drunk/stoned with the homies. There's a lot of greatness in it too (Mostly having to do with Walken). Dunno. Can't call it.

>How about New Jack City? Some may call it just a hood flick,
>but it's definitely a contender.

Interesting case, because New Jack City was inspired by the Frank Lucas story/mythos. However, after watching it MANY times over the past 20 years, I can say that almost everything outside of the realm of Nino Brown and his crew doesn't hold up. Okay, Chris Rock is really good too.


>Election/Triad Election,

Never seen it. Don't actually know anything about it.

>as well as Hoffa and Blow if
>those can be squeezed into the category.

Haven't seen Hoffa in a loooooong time (probably since I saw it Christmas Eve in the theater all those years ago). But I'm reasonably sure AG is better. AG is definitely better than Blow, which didn't have much beyond the Depp performance.

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>>Election/Triad Election,
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>Never seen it. Don't actually know anything about it.

They're Hong Kong films about the triads. Triad Election is also known as Election 2, the sequel to Election. They're both streaming on Netflix Instant. The first one is kind of good but then gets great in the last 10 minutes. It's about ritual and historic roots of the triads and the movie can be seen as one long setup for the sequel.

I've never heard or seen anyone call it great... like ever, and I've only heard 2 slightly positive opinions that even attempt defending it:

1) It only seems that bad because we automatically compare it to the first 2.

2) The only "bad" part about the movie is Sofia.

Neither of those suggest that it's better than the first 2, or even a great gangster movie... like at all.

Although I've never asked Francis Ford his opinion, apparently you have.

I actually never said that anyone said it was "great"

Re-read my post.




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Why?

like i said, that was the only one on the list I saw other than American Gangster, which I liked, so I really have no opinion of this post other than it's weird to mention Godfather 3 as if it was ever in the discussion of great gangster flicks.

You came up in here all proud at having spotted
a strawman, only to find out that YOU the one
who created a strawman

Haha

>like i said, that was the only one on the list I saw other
>than American Gangster, which I liked, so I really have no
>opinion of this post other than it's weird to mention
>Godfather 3 as if it was ever in the discussion of great
>gangster flicks.

LOL don't fucking cop pleas now

You tried to SHIT on me for saying GF3 was great

I never said anything of the sort, nigga


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but it is a misleading statement. so my question then becomes: if the basis of this post is that people here don't give American Gangster enough credit as compared to other gangster flicks of the past 25 years (once again, not enough experience with this genre), yet you acknowledge that people here don't really give credit to GF3... then why bring up GF3 other than to make your argument look easier? i mean you wanted people to argue each one of your points yet you put in a sentence that everyone agrees with.

and if your point was that people claimed it was long and boring yet people don't make the same criticism of the first 2 GFs, well that's cause they're long but not boring... as evidenced by those two CONSTANTLY being at the top of all-time best movies lists.

Be mad

Get glad

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I'll have to give that some thought


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