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djghost
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"So.....Idlewild is already getting not so good reviews......"


  

          

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/idlewild/

I'm really not that amped to see this....not just because of these first few reviews though....any thoughts?

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Eh, it was okay. Not great, just, eh. (SPOILERS)
Aug 16th 2006
1
..more 'graffiti bridge' than 'purple rain'?
Aug 16th 2006
5
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is worse than Graffiti Bridge.
Aug 16th 2006
6
      ..how about 'moonwalker'?
Aug 27th 2006
51
           Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is worse than Graffiti Bridge.
Aug 27th 2006
53
                Under the Cherry Moon?
Aug 27th 2006
54
                     but 'parade' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'graffiti bridge'*
Aug 27th 2006
55
I'll go see it as they officially had me at ATLiens.
Aug 16th 2006
9
I don't expect it to be good. I'll probably wait for DVD.
Aug 16th 2006
2
Those two reviewers don't know shit.
Aug 16th 2006
3
It 's just around the corner
Aug 16th 2006
4
Not gonna read any reviews, but what I think is happening
Aug 16th 2006
7
Or...maybe it's just not good?
Aug 16th 2006
8
      I'll decide myself
Aug 20th 2006
16
RE: So.....Idlewild is already getting not so good reviews......
Aug 16th 2006
10
It got two bad reviews from no names.
Aug 16th 2006
11
people are gonna hate just to hate
Aug 16th 2006
12
My review was def, however.
Aug 16th 2006
13
1. Critics are supposed to be critical. 2. They didn't hate it at all.
Aug 19th 2006
15
Rolling Stone review
Aug 19th 2006
14
If Peter Travers thinks it's a mess...
Aug 20th 2006
17
      I think Peter Travers is a mess.
Aug 23rd 2006
20
           Sure it did.
Aug 23rd 2006
22
           RE: I think Peter Travers is a mess.
Aug 23rd 2006
23
Positive Variety review (SPOILERS)
Aug 21st 2006
18
L.A. Times swipe on the film and the album
Aug 23rd 2006
19
Very solid review. I was just thinking about sequencing the album
Aug 23rd 2006
21
LA Weekly review
Aug 24th 2006
24
EW gave it an A-
Aug 25th 2006
25
Currently at 54 on Metacritic.com
Aug 25th 2006
26
A negative Chicago Sun-Times Review
Aug 25th 2006
27
He "inexplicably" sang to the chick in the mortuary?
Aug 26th 2006
31
A Positive Washington Post Review
Aug 25th 2006
28
smh. n/m
Aug 26th 2006
29
sigh.....
Aug 26th 2006
30
I disagree
Aug 26th 2006
32
Visually
Aug 26th 2006
33
i seent it last night
Aug 26th 2006
34
Critics...stop with the comparisons
Aug 26th 2006
35
Comparisons to what? Good musicals?
Aug 27th 2006
36
      I usually hate musicals
Aug 27th 2006
37
           Uh, the critics posted here pretty much are all saying the same thing
Aug 27th 2006
38
                F a critic tho
Aug 27th 2006
39
                     Sorry, but if you like a movie with bad writing. F your instincts.
Aug 27th 2006
41
                     Yeah, F 'em!
Aug 28th 2006
59
                     Critics are people too...
Aug 27th 2006
42
                          Or maybe home theater and bootlegs
Aug 28th 2006
61
                               Cutting to the chase
Aug 28th 2006
62
                                    RE: Cutting to the chase
Aug 28th 2006
63
it'll be a cult flick........
Aug 27th 2006
40
Box Office Update: $5.9 mil, 8th place, but
Aug 27th 2006
43
i LOVED it
Aug 27th 2006
44
What a shock.
Aug 27th 2006
45
I knew you would, but I just dont understand
Aug 27th 2006
46
Fuck all the haters/Critics
Aug 27th 2006
47
Being critical doesn't mean you're a hater.
Aug 27th 2006
48
      over analytical is where my beef is mainly
Aug 27th 2006
49
           Criticizing a movie's writing and acting isn't over analyzing.
Aug 27th 2006
50
           where do you draw the line between analytical and over-analytical?
Aug 27th 2006
52
                analytical=i agree with you. over-analytical=i don't
Aug 27th 2006
56
                     .. a fine analysis indeed.
Aug 27th 2006
57
It gave the videos to my favs on LB/SB
Aug 28th 2006
58
I like it what yall think about the ending
Aug 28th 2006
60
ZooTown74 was right on the mark
Aug 28th 2006
64
yes, thank you
Aug 28th 2006
72
more box office stats
Aug 28th 2006
65
Paula Patton song....title??? anyone, anyone
Aug 28th 2006
66
its the last song on outkasts greatest hits
Aug 30th 2006
89
Loved every frame of this flick.
Aug 28th 2006
67
The Only Review That Matters
Aug 28th 2006
68
No, no, no
Aug 28th 2006
69
      he's making them into a parody
Aug 28th 2006
70
           A parody of what?
Aug 28th 2006
71
It sucked
Aug 28th 2006
73
The critics are being hypocritical in their reviews...
Aug 28th 2006
74
Worst plea cop ever.
Aug 28th 2006
75
how the shit is that a plea cop?
Aug 28th 2006
77
Here's how.
Aug 29th 2006
83
      whatever, dog...good luck with that....
Aug 29th 2006
85
           ...not with a bang but with a whimper.
Aug 30th 2006
91
Jeez nick. You and Zoo thought it was awful?
Aug 29th 2006
79
      Uh, I never said it was awful.
Aug 29th 2006
80
      I haven't seen it yet. I'm just sick of this "aww they just hating" BS.
Aug 29th 2006
84
Nev'mind
Aug 28th 2006
76
This reminds me of all those crappy Prince films
Aug 29th 2006
78
Andre dragged that movie down
Aug 29th 2006
81
I disagree...SPOILER
Aug 29th 2006
82
      Andre's performance was weak *SPOILERS*
Aug 29th 2006
88
           Well we can agree to disagree
Aug 30th 2006
90
shit was great
Aug 29th 2006
86
Right. And Owen Glieberman apparently missed the memo.
Aug 29th 2006
87
RE: Was this film really necessary?
Oct 28th 2006
92
I gave it an A-
Dec 13th 2006
93
Late Pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 13th 2006
94

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1. "Eh, it was okay. Not great, just, eh. (SPOILERS)"
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Not great, but it was okay. I guess.

Big Boi was great, Andre was so-so. Terrence Howard was fantastic as the bad guy.

Faizon Love and Paula Jai Parker were the most "broad" characters. Some of you will call it "cooning." I call it broad comedy. Faizon has a line that I believe will soon become part of the OKP lexicon, in the tradition of, "HULK HOGAN WE COMING FOR YOU NIGGA."

Lots of funny stuff, lots of what I'd call "whimsy." Most of the music in the movie was from Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, not the current project.

Paula Patton? Well... let's hope she has a better showing in Deja Vu. And no, we don't see her naked.

Storywise, Big Boi had the stronger one, but they were both messy. I really didn't care about Andre's story (and he and Big Boi only appear in a few scenes together). There were things in Andre's story that rang completely, 100% FALSE (like a lot of the stuff with Ben Vereen). And there was a LOT of teeth sucking from the audience almost everytime Andre and Paula Patton interacted...

Visually, the movie looks great (shot by Pascal Ribaud), and a lot of the effects are great, but they try to mask a thin story, or stories, as it were. And I wish Bryan Barber would have let some of the shots last longer than 2 seconds in regard to the musical numbers.

I'd say check it out if you're a serious OutKast fan, but if you only came aboard during the last album, I'd wait for the DVD.
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5. "..more 'graffiti bridge' than 'purple rain'?"
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6. "Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is worse than Graffiti Bridge."
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Andre 3000 >>>> Prince
Big Boi >>>> Morris Day (but just barely)
Paula Patton >>>> Ingrid Chavez

And of course, nothing effs with Purple Rain. And when I say nothing, PTPers, I mean, NOTHING.
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51. "..how about 'moonwalker'?"
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53. "Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is worse than Graffiti Bridge."
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"But if you brought in the beat, that's all you did, was brought in the beat. You didn't produce this record.
This song says 'Produced by,' not 'Brought in the beat by...'"
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54. "Under the Cherry Moon?"
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55. "but 'parade' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'graffiti bridge'*"
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* even WITH 'joy in repetition' and 'the question of u'

  

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9. "I'll go see it as they officially had me at ATLiens."
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2. "I don't expect it to be good. I'll probably wait for DVD."
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The album, on the other hand, is heat.

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4. "It 's just around the corner"
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7. "Not gonna read any reviews, but what I think is happening"
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Is that people have thought for years and years about what it'd be like, to the point where they've damn near made the movie in their heads, and it's not turning out that way, so they're like "Aww, I thought it woulda been something different".

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8. "Or...maybe it's just not good?"
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I mean if you're not going to read reviews, how can you speculate?

  

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10. "RE: So.....Idlewild is already getting not so good reviews......"
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I saw a screening last night, its a cool flick, I'm probably gonna see it again but ZooTown pretty much hit it on the head.....
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You don't care for Andre's character, his characters presentation is just really awkward, even during the music scenes, Big Boi on the other hand, to me, this was his movie, when they got together it felt like they were obligated to be in the same scene together. I liked most of how Bryan handled the movie, he was trying some shit out, the effects were dope and the action scenes were dope, my biggest gripe was some of the music was in the wrong place but overall I was mos def entertained and isn't that what its all about.....go support.

  

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11. "It got two bad reviews from no names."
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I will hold off my judgement until actual movie reviewers see it.

Either way, I am going, but I will be curious to know.

  

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12. "people are gonna hate just to hate"
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i mean are all funeral parlor scenes henceforth & forever more gonna remind people of six feet under?

no. stupid review.

  

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13. "My review was def, however."
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15. "1. Critics are supposed to be critical. 2. They didn't hate it at all."
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Both of those critics gave it a C.

Rich Cline: "Ambitious...stylish...visually inventive. What gives the film its originality are its visual and musical styles.Benjamin gets an intriguing character to play, and superbly brings the slightly mopey Percival to life. Howard, naturally, steals the show with sheer intensity--we can't take our eyes off him, even though the character is severely underwritten.

Emanuel Levy: "An original concept, cool music (for the most part), and some startling performances...you would have good time with some of the vignettes due to the high-caliber talent.

  

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14. "Rolling Stone review"
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Idlewild

Starring: Andre Benjamin, Paula Patton, Antwan 'Big Boi' Patton, Paula Jai Parker, Ving Rhames

Directed by: Bryan Barber

RS: 2of 4 Stars Average User Rating: 3of 4 Stars

2006 Universal Pictures Art/Foreign
If a hot soundtrack and visual flair can save a movie, there's hope yet for Idlewild, the OutKast musical that's been finished and sitting on a shelf for two years. It's not hard to see why. This oddball mix of The Cotton Club and Six Feet Under is a big, beautiful mess. But it offers the not-uninstructive spectacle of talented people stumbling over large and unwieldy ambitions.

Andre "3000" Benjamin plays Percival, a tortured soul who embalms corpses at a funeral parlor run by his daddy (Ben Vereen). By night, he writes songs and pounds the keyboards at a speak-easy run by his pal Rooster, played by Benjamin's OutKast partner, Antwan "Big Boi" Patton. Both give credible performances, though Terrence Howard, cast as the smooth, seductive villain, puts them deep in the shade.

Idlewild can't decide if it's about bullets, booze, broads or the sound of hip-hop that the film strenuously tries to marry to the 1930s. Writer-director Bryan Barber, the house video wizard for OutKast, devises convoluted concepts involving animation. The engraved rooster on Rooster's liquor flask comes alive and nags him like a parrot. Percival’s clocks go berserk as a reminder that time is passing him by, and he one-ups the morticians on Six Feet Under by singing to the corpses. This is not OutKast's version of Disney's High School Musical.

It's also not a movie with a clear sense of direction, a strong spine to support its fancy conceits or even a nodding acquaintance with the conventional. It's like watching a dead body get up and dance. You sit there in horror and awe, thinking, "What was that damn thing?"


PETER TRAVERS

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17. "If Peter Travers thinks it's a mess..."
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...the hoo-ey it must be, because that guy loves every gd thing.

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20. "I think Peter Travers is a mess."
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He couldn't review his way out of a wet paper bag.

...that made no sense whatsoever.

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22. "Sure it did."
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But just so I get the visual right, are we talking Travers shrunken down and in a wet grocery sack (or homeless drunk bottle-covering bag) or is it a life-size Travers in an industrial size bag?

The distinction is very important.

>He couldn't review his way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>...that made no sense whatsoever.




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23. "RE: I think Peter Travers is a mess."
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>He couldn't review his way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>...that made no sense whatsoever.
>
>--Maurice

Yet I agree entirely. Nevermind the fact the guy is notorious for praising a film prior to it's release and then slamming it on DVD reviews (or vice versa depending on popular fancy), he just isn't very keen, insightful or articulate.

  

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18. "Positive Variety review (SPOILERS)"
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>Idlewild

A Universal release of a Universal Pictures and HBO Films presentation of a Mosaic Media Group/Forensic Films production. Produced by Charles Roven, Robert Guralnick. Executive producers, William Green, Robin O'Hara, Scott Macaulay. Co-producers, Erika Conner, Michael "Blue" Williams, Bryan Barber, Andre Benjamin, Antwan A. Patton. Directed, written by Bryan Barber.

Percival - Andre Benjamin
Rooster - Antwan A. Patton
Angel - Paula Patton
Trumpy - Terrence Howard
Zora - Malinda Williams
Taffy - Macy Gray
Percy Sr. - Ben Vereen
Spats - Ving Rhames
Sunshine Ace - Faizon Love

By JOHN ANDERSON

"Idlewild," aka "The OutKast Project," achieves magic--something sorely missing from so many movies these days--and does so via a philosophy of respect, but not reverence, for what's come before it; it never recycles, it just reimagines. With its two platinum-selling pop stars, propulsive musicality and a something-for-everyone approach leading to a huge payoff, pic should not only lure its target fan base but achieve crossover success as well.

Fashioning his musical fable like a Warner Bros. Prohibition drama in which production numbers erupt at the local nightclub, writer-director Bryan Barber has absorbed all the gangster tropes, along with a healthy dose of Coen brothers' irrationality, "Cotton Comes to Harlem" comedy and Terry Gilliam-style animation.

Andre 3000 and Big Boi -- aka Andre Benjamin and Antwan A. Patton -- mount musical numbers that are incongruous, but only to a point: Given the sense of enchantment with which Barber sets up his film -- with the playful manipulation of archival photos, notation dancing across pages of music, a talking whiskey flask and various effects-driven visual pranks -- he has created a universe in which rap, swing, Ma Rainey-style blues (as performed by Macy Gray) and special effects might very well co-congregate in a place like Church, the Georgia speakeasy where so much of "Idlewild" unfolds.

Percival (Benjamin) and Rooster (Patton) are childhood friends who seem destined to go into their fathers' businesses -- in Percival's case, undertaking; in Rooster's, bootlegging. But between mortuary duties, Percival plays piano at Church, which is owned by the unpleasant Sunshine Ace (Faizon Love) until he, and the gangster Spats (Ving Rhames), are ventilated by the even more unpleasant Trumpy (Terrence Howard).

Trumpy -- more evidence that Howard is among the best actors working -- is a sociopathic free-lance thug who puts the squeeze on Rooster, once Rooster has inherited the club.

In between juggling women, deceiving his wife (Malinda Williams) and performing his own explosive numbers at the nightclub, Rooster has to make money and keep from getting killed.

Barber's background in musicvideo -- including his genre-blending work with OutKast -- is obvious, both in his acrobatic camera and his leisurely approach to the actual narrative. A story really doesn't start until about 30 minutes into the film, but there's so much going on, few will complain.

Once Barber jump-starts the narrative -- which includes an ill-fated romance between Percival and show-biz hopeful Angel Davenport (Paula Patton) -- it follows a rather predictable path. What keeps "Idlewild" from idling is the ornamentation -- music, manipulation of image and stylistic unpredictability.

Barber is in total control. From the staccato gestures of figures over the opening moments, to the way dance girls move like silent movie characters in old, mistimed "flickers" to the stammer of one of Trumpy's henchmen, Barber infuses his film with a sense of rhythm -- and this is in addition to the music itself.

"Idlewild" may not succeed entirely in terms of story structure, dramatic motivation or acting (both Benjamin and Patton are good, although Patton is the one the camera loves). But it has such ineffable charm and pure entertainment value, it's hard to imagine auds going only once.
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19. "L.A. Times swipe on the film and the album"
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She's on point, especially about the movie.

>MOVIE / POP MUSIC REVIEW

'Idlewild'

The movie "Idlewild" and the music of OutKast can learn from each other. The film plays it straight, but the album takes risks.

By Ann Powers
Times Staff Writer

August 23, 2006

The air around OutKast's "Idlewild" is humid and thick as gravy, and I'm not talking about the summer haze enveloping the fictional Southern town where the film takes place. The movie starring hip-hop's top duo and the sort-of soundtrack sharing its name — both out this week — are being greeted with a grim earnestness that seems quite overblown, given that pop stars are always making entertainingly flawed cinematic forays and off-kilter soundtracks to go with them.

Internet tastemakers are declaring "Idlewild" "the end of 'Kast." More positive reviews still say the record's awfully weird. Even the deluge of flattery in glossy magazines, expected for a $27-million HBO-sponsored release, hangs heavy with awkward questions about whether André "Andre 3000" Benjamin and Antwan "Big Boi" Patton are even speaking and which Prince movie will finally provide "Idlewild's" best analogy: the miraculously successful "Purple Rain" or the embarrassing "Under the Cherry Moon."

It's not a condemnation to note that "Idlewild" has a lot in common with Prince's first film flop. Both projects followed a breakthrough moment for a forward-thinking act who'd made it deeper into the mainstream than anyone expected: the legendary "Purple Rain" for Prince and the diamond-certified double-disc "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below" for OutKast. Both films tell the classic story of artist as outlaw, sacrificing conventional happiness in favor of sensuality and creative inspiration; Prince's Christopher Tracy is a gigolo shot down while on the run with his forbidden love, while Benjamin and Patton's Percival and Rooster are two small-town showmen who escape drudgery nightly at a joint paradoxically named Church, only to court death pursuing their Cotton Club dreams. Both films draw nostalgic connections between contemporary black culture and the golden age of speak-easy piano-tinkling — Prince went vintage by sporting a pencil mustache and bolero hat; Benjamin and Patton opt for zoot suits and breeches. And both film "soundtracks" (Prince's was called "Parade") touch lightly upon prewar musical styles to further the musical experiments their makers had already begun.

For Prince, that meant mixing funk and psychedelia with a jazz-inspired sense of harmony and rhythm. For OutKast, it means borrowing from Prince — and his own borrowings from disco-era speak-easy revivalists August Darnell, Chic and the Pointer Sisters — to connect hip-hop not just to jazz, but to the stream of backtalk and risk-taking that carried African American artists from blackface to black pride. This reach for the long view lends "Idlewild" the film its best qualities — though certain opportunities remain unrealized — and makes "Idlewild" the album hard to grasp.

Let's consider the film first. Writer-director Bryan Barber's script fruitfully connects hip-hop's gangsterism to a pre-Civil Rights era in which entrepreneurs like Rooster relied on bootlegging, showgirl-pimping and whatever else to get by, despite isolation and discrimination. This was a time of elegance, but also of violence and marginalization, and Barber's bright underworld captures all of that. And choreographer Hinton Battle does an outstanding job showing how break dancing evolved out of the Lindy Hop; the dance sequences alone make "Idlewild" worth seeing.

Visually, "Idlewild" takes the vivid approach used in other semi-surreal period pieces like "Beloved," "Chicago" and especially "O Brother, Where Art Thou"; this isn't a past anyone could remember, it's a past people dream about and turn into myth. The characters Benjamin and Patton play are supposedly autobiographical. They're also archetypal. Patton's Rooster, family man by day and jump-blues singing hooch-runner by night, represents the good man made shady by the system, while Benjamin's Percival, a piano-playing mortician's son who could use to leave the basement more often, is the individualist who can triumph only through the singularity of fame. In other words, Patton is Prince in "Cherry Moon" and Benjamin is Prince in "Purple Rain"; similar characters appear throughout African American culture, including Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man" and the biographies of Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone.

"Idlewild" stops short of fully exploring these archetypes. Patton and Benjamin can both hold the screen and are great in their musical sequences, but sorry, they aren't actors — Terrence Howard, as the villain Trumpy, blows them into dust when he's on camera — and their limited expressiveness detracts from the film's hallucinatory edge. The plot fails them too, as it takes turns we've seen in a dozen melodramas. Despite a supporting cast that goes for broke (beyond Howard, Ving Rhames, Faizon Love and Macy Gray stand out), gorgeous costumes, those killer dance sequences and enlivening elements like Rooster's talking whiskey flask and the dancing musical notes that inspire Percival, Barber and his two leads ultimately play things pretty straight.

This isn't what we need from OutKast. With hits like "Hey Ya!" and "Rosa Parks," the duo has come closer to confronting the troubling hyperboles of black American culture — the legacies of blackface and coon song — than virtually any other hip-hop-era artist. OutKast's seriously comic take on black eccentricity speaks volumes about the historical weight of notions like "freakiness." Their film needs more of that freakiness, instead of the three-hankie sentimentality that dominates. In its best moments "Idlewild" connects with OutKast's weirdness, which is an act of resistance: an acknowledgment of how black American expression has been poisoned by stereotypes and an attempt to disrupt those caricatures and make them human again. At its worst, the film trades in the very clichés about romance, redemption and music that listeners run to OutKast to avoid.

Strangely, "Idlewild" the album suffers from almost the opposite problem. It's so sonically challenging and lyrically wide-ranging that it could almost use some clichés. Twenty-five tracks offer outstanding material for contemplation and booty-shaking, including the memoiristic soulfulness of Patton's "Train" and the cosmic reach of Benjamin's "Mutron Angel," which might have been written by dance-rock guru Moby. Yet "Idlewild" leaves the ears longing for something. Coherence, basically. There's no sustaining mood, no clear message, only Benjamin and Patton's efforts to outdo whatever they came up with last. As the music veers from summer jams to fusion excursions, lyrics flitting in and out of focus as the duo contemplates its own inner tensions, the annoyances of the mating game, the threat of hurricanes and the fear of clocks, overload sets in.

Individual tracks shine: Patton's never written a verse as touching as his dissection of a failing marriage in "Peaches," and though Benjamin's a merely adequate crooner on the Cole Porter-ish "When I Look in Your Eyes," he's effervescent sampling a marching band on "Morris Brown" or twisting his tongue on "PJ & Rooster." Even "Bad Note," Benjamin's lengthy descent into stoner rock, offers some pleasures.

Collaborators contribute much — vocalist-consigliere Sleepy Brown gives several Big Boi tracks the smoothest ride in town, female guests Gray, Janelle Monae and Whild Peach expand the group's vocabulary, and even the macho rapper Killer Mike adds some useful intonation. And on "Hollywood Divorce," a strange little number that strives to connect goth rock to Compton-style gangsta rap, New Orleans superstar Lil Wayne steals the show with a rhyme so effortless, it's indelible. Plus, it boasts the indefatigable Snoop, reciting wedding vows as if they're a sentence of 15 to life.

Snoop and Lil Wayne, dropping it easy, make their moments on "Idlewild" enjoyable. Elsewhere, effort is what keeps it from being a truly satisfying listening experience. Haunted by accusations of their partnership's demise (as if their relationship wasn't already rocky three years ago, when they released those two solo albums as an ersatz set), Patton and Benjamin seem panicked, unable to put on the brakes to enjoy what talent and success have granted them. They're taking chances, but not for the right reasons.

The aura surrounding a release can't help but affect the way one hears it, and in a year or two, "Idlewild's" reckless gamble could sound different. The millions who will surely buy this album would be wise to keep it on the shelf for a while, and to play around with ways of listening — program your player to hear only half the cuts, for example, or create your own sequence. A great album could still emerge from its confusion. After all, "Under the Cherry Moon" flopped two decades ago, but it seems quite charming today.
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This song says 'Produced by,' not 'Brought in the beat by...'"
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21. "Very solid review. I was just thinking about sequencing the album"
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today. We should post are own sequences in a separate post.
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http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/southern-comfort/14324/

Southern Comfort Print
Written by ERNEST HARDY
OutKast’s flashy but flaccid Prohibition musical

The prologue that plays out beneath the opening credits of Idlewild is fantastic — witty, funny, adrenaline pumping, seamlessly edited to rousing music. It quickly sketches the birth of the friendship between two preteen black boys coming of age in the 1930s small-town American South at the height of Prohibition. Diminutive, sharp-dressed Rooster (Bobb’e J. Thompson) is the mischievous half of the duo — shooting dice, running scams with his bootlegging father and dragging the more reserved Percival (Bre’wan Waddell) into the perilous world of male-female connection. The son of a mortician (Ben Vereen), Percival is sparked by the association, and the charge that Rooster gives him also invigorates the opening moments of Idlewild. We’re primed for an exhilarating ride.

Then the story flips ahead several years, and while there are fleeting lively moments and a handful of chuckles yet to come, the air is largely sucked out of the film once the boys become men. The biggest problem is that the grown-up Percival (André Benjamin, a.k.a. André 3000) is a slug of a character whose half of the tale plays like Under the Graffiti Bridge in the Purple Rain. A struggling, misunderstood musician with an angry, dark-skinned father and a mythologized, dead-yella mama, Percival toils as an apprentice in the family funeral home by day, then pounds the keys by night in Church, a rowdy juke joint where Rooster (Antwan A. Patton, a.k.a. Big Boi) is the star of the big production numbers. Quicker than you can say “Vanity was finer than Apollonia,” Angel (Paula Patton), a mysterious light-skinned singer with good hair, shows up and steals Percival’s heart. Sadly, there’s no Lake Minnetonka in which she can swim to purify herself.

The camera loves André; he has an undeniable screen presence — gorgeous skin, soulful eyes, that indefinable “it” factor. What he doesn’t yet have are the chops to flesh out a thinly drawn character, and writer-director Bryan Barber (a former music-video director) leaves hip-hop’s artiest Negro stranded in painfully obvious acting choices: He spends half the movie staring mournfully at the ground or forlornly into the distance. It doesn’t help that the jazz-soaked character provides unintentional confirmation that André’s own public persona over the past few years — one in which his eccentricity and expression of artistic otherness (he’s a post-hip-hop, electro-jazz retro-futuristic seeker) feels increasingly contrived — is simply a reworking of tortured-Negro-male-artist clichés already mapped by everyone from Marvin Gaye to Q-Tip. Patton, a smoothed-out physical hybrid of Alicia Keys and pre-crack Whitney, is adequate as eye candy who can sing. And Macy Gray, as Church’s boozy madam/house singer, gets the movie’s biggest laugh with her hoarse, must-be-seen-in-context query, “How many times you gon’ say ‘moving cool’?”

Rooster’s half of the tale fares somewhat better, because though the character is no less flimsily conceived, it’s a comedic role that’s a natural fit for the charismatic Big Boi. It’s also here that Terrence Howard appears as Trumpy, a hiss-worthy villain who steals every scene he’s in; the ever-typecast (and actually quite talented) Paula Jai Parker shows up as (drumroll) the Ho; and Malinda Williams, playing Rooster’s wife, Zora, makes for the sexiest, lithest mother of six young-ass children that you’ve ever seen.

As Rooster and Trumpy battle for the ownership of Church, and Rooster and Zora fight to save their marriage, and Angel and Percival attempt to escape a fate that has been telegraphed far in advance, Barber tries to camouflage the slightness and triteness of his script with appealing visual gimmicks that make you wish his sense of pacing and character were up to par. The rooster that’s carved on a flask comes to life and talks like an old Parliament Funkadelic character; the camera holds on faces that then swell to fill up the screen gorgeously; dancers are flung into the air, where they momentarily freeze before gliding languidly back to the floor. Yet, the film only rarely harnesses the power of the anachronistic, funk-driven, beat-heavy rap music that swells its soundtrack. Even the intricately choreographed crowd dance scenes, filled with frenzied movement, are more often stillborn than stimulating. It may be that Barber is simply used to creating on a much smaller scale. At a press day to promote the film, a monitor in the hotel hospitality suite played the Idlewild trailer and snippets from the movie on a loop. Images and dance sequences that barely registered on the big screen popped with engaging ferocity on TV, making it hard not to agree with the reporter who murmured under her breath, “I wish I’d seen that movie.”



IDLEWILD | Written and directed by BRYAN BARBER | Produced by CHARLES ROVEN and ROBERT GURALNICK | Released by Universal | Citywide
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25. "EW gave it an A-"
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/25/ew.mov.idlewild/index.html

Really good review.

  

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26. "Currently at 54 on Metacritic.com"
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http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/idlewild

91
Entertainment Weekly Owen Gleiberman
Idlewild is a romp, a ticket to rowdy good times.
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90
Salon.com Stephanie Zacharek
Idlewild has just about everything a popular entertainment can offer. It also has a soul, and that comes free with the price of a ticket.
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75
Baltimore Sun Chris Kaltenbach
The result is a passionate, enthralling film that isn't afraid to take chances - even if it sometimes should be.
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75
Chicago Tribune Sid Smith
Aiding Barber is the terrific work of choreographer Hinton Battle, delivering a ferocious, contemporary update of swing and bridging the gap between quick-take MTV flash and the longer needs of cinematic dancing--a hybrid that works better here than in the frenetic, overrated "Chicago."
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70
Washington Post Teresa Wiltz
For all its shortcomings, Idlewild also has something that few films can pull off: Moments of such pure cinematic fabulousness, breathtaking dance sequences and idiosyncratic 3-D animation flourishes that we are more than willing to forgive it for all its sins.
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70
Variety John Anderson
Achieves magic--something sorely missing from so many movies these days--and does so via a philosophy of respect, but not reverence, for what's come before it; it never recycles, it just reimagines.
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70
Village Voice Michael Atkinson
Idlewild has a sober, loving respect for history and the old South, and thereby grants itself a measure of distinction.
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70
Chicago Reader Jonathan Rosenbaum
Director Bryan Barber (known for his music videos) and his cast display so much gusto that it's hard to keep up your resistance--I wound up finding this more enjoyable than the Oscar-bestrewn "Chicago."
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63
TV Guide Maitland McDonagh
Barber's screenplay is mired in cliches that got old in 1935.
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63
The Globe and Mail (Toronto) Liam Lacey
Artistic originality is not so common a commodity that you can afford to get too fussy about the details.
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63
Miami Herald Rene Rodriguez
A mess, but an energetic, convivial mess.
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63
Philadelphia Inquirer Carrie Rickey
Idle it is not. Wild it is most assuredly. Set in Prohibition-era Georgia, Idlewild boasts yesterday's style, today's music, and the Harlem Renaissance's romanticism.
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63
USA Today Claudia Puig
The music by Outkast is great, and the rowdy, randy en masse dance sequences are riveting. The story, however, is rather thin and lacks focus.
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63
ReelViews James Berardinelli
Despite the best efforts of Barber the director, he never quite overcomes the shortcomings of Barber the writer.
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50
The Onion (A.V. Club) Nathan Rabin
Idlewild boasts too much personality around the edges--especially in Terrence Howard and Macy Gray's scene-stealing turns--and not enough at its center. It's a vehicle for OutKast's music and personality in which the music and lead roles feel like afterthoughts.
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Rolling Stone Peter Travers
This oddball mix of "The Cotton Club" and "Six Feet Under" is a big, beautiful mess. But it offers the not-uninstructive spectacle of talented people stumbling over large and unwieldy ambitions.
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50
The Hollywood Reporter Kirk Honeycutt
An entertaining mess. It blends together musical styles and dances, historical periods with howling anachronisms, coy, almost childish gimmicks with R-rated sex and violence.
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50
Los Angeles Times Ann Powers
Patton and Benjamin can both hold the screen and are great in their musical sequences, but sorry, they aren't actors -- Terrence Howard, as the villain Trumpy, blows them into dust when he's on camera -- and their limited expressiveness detracts from the film's hallucinatory edge. The plot fails them too, as it takes turns we've seen in a dozen melodramas.
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50
LA Weekly Ernest Hardy
The film only rarely harnesses the power of the anachronistic, funk-driven, beat-heavy rap music that swells its soundtrack. Even the intricately choreographed crowd dance scenes, filled with frenzied movement, are more often stillborn than stimulating.
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50
Slate Dana Stevens
Idlewild has moments of sticky sentimentality and stretches of dull exposition, but you've got to give it this: It's unpredictable.
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50
New York Daily News Elizabeth Weitzman
The soundtrack is a genre-hopping joy, and each musical number is cleverly staged and creatively choreographed. The problem is the noble mess of a movie that takes up so much space in between.
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50
Boston Globe Wesley Morris
The camerawork is steady, the editing patient, the choreography playful. It's a zippy and inspired piece of moviemaking. But there's one problem. It's playing under the closing credits.
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50
New York Post Lou Lumenick
It's basically a series of music videos - a few quite good - strung together over two long hours and loosely connected by a weak story line loaded with anachronisms.
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50
San Francisco Chronicle Neva Chonin
If Idlewild had something beyond OutKast's songwriting, it would make a swell musical.
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40
The New York Times Manohla Dargis
The joint doesn't jump in the musical Idlewild; it just twitches and stumbles. As much a missed opportunity as a terrible tease.
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38
Premiere Aaron Hillis
A thin sprinkling of exuberance and a couple of choice cameos, that's about all this underwritten and overly choreographed spectacle has to tease us with.
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30
Wall Street Journal Joanne Kaufman
Shakespeare has been quoted many, many times over the past 400 or so years, but never to such empty purpose as in the inchoate, self-indulgent musical drama Idlewild, a star vehicle for the wildly popular hip-hop duo OutKast.
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Austin Chronicle Marc Savlov
There are moments in Idlewild that resonate with the painful "if only" of missed opportunity, and more than a few that just make you scratch your head. It's like some wildly overlong music video, minus the sexy thump 'n' grind. It's all blow, no pop.
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Seattle Post-Intelligencer Bill White
The most ridiculous period film since rappers took on the Old West in "Posse."
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OutKast makes soggy mess with the musical 'Idlewild'

August 25, 2006

BY JIM DEROGATIS Pop Music Critic


Given that the Atlanta duo OutKast is one of the most creative forces hip-hop has witnessed, it's ironic that the biggest problem with its first feature film is that the music is so mediocre -- a serious failure when you're trying to revive the movie musical.

Eight years in the making as a collaboration between the multiplatinum rappers and their college buddy, Bryan Barber (who directed several of the group's videos as well as clips for Destiny's Child, Kelly Clarkson and Christina Aguilera), "Idlewild" follows two musicians in small-town in Georgia in the 1930s: singer, club owner, mack daddy and errant family man Rooster (Antwan "Big Boi" Patton) and his childhood friend, Percival (Patton's OutKast partner, Andre "Andre 3000" Benjamin), a mortician by day and shy piano player by night.

In interviews promoting the film -- which was accompanied by a soundtrack with the same name released on Tuesday and marketed as the eagerly-awaited follow-up to the duo's 2003 smash "Speakerboxxx"/"The Love Below" -- Patton and Benjamin said they wanted to make a modern musical that was more "Purple Rain" than "Singin' in the Rain." But "Idlewild" isn't a romanticized autobiography and showcase for live performances, like Prince's 1984 movie, any more than it's a traditional old-school musical like the 1952 Gene Kelly classic -- though the characters do spontaneously break into song at times, as when Percival inexplicably serenades a body on the mortuary slab.



IDLEWILD (R)
Critic's rating: **

Percival: Andre Benjamin
Rooster: Antwan Patton
Angel: Paula Patton
Trumpy: Terrence Howard

Universal Pictures and HBO Films present a film directed and written by Bryan Barber. Running time: 120 minutes. Rated R (for violence, sexuality, nudity and language).

OutKast did get one thing right with that rainy comparison, though: The movie is often a soggy mess.

To be sure, there are good things about "Idlewild." Unfailingly charismatic, Patton and Benjamin both have considerable potential as stars, and they're ably supported by a top-notch cast that includes Terrence Howard ("Crash," "Hustle & Flow"), Ving Rhames ("Pulp Fiction," "Mission: Impossible"), Faizon Love ("Elf," "Friday") and "Roots" veterans Ben Vereen (as Percival's dad) and Cicely Tyson (in an all-too-brief cameo as a Dust Bowl refugee). Proudly freaky R&B singer Macy Gray also does her best as a slutty vamp, and newcomer Paula Patton (no relation to Antwan) makes a memorable debut as Percival's love interest, Angel.

Shot in a style that's part MTV and part wannabe-"Chinatown," the movie lovingly if sometimes fancifully re-creates the era -- all of the characters seem to be living fairly high on the hog, despite the inconvenience of the Great Depression. Choreographed by three-time Tony winner Hinton Battle ("Dreamgirls"), the handful of dance numbers are an exciting mix of '30s jive and modern break dancing. And while the basic story is a bit hoary -- I'm spoiling nothing in revealing that Rooster eventually abandons the thug life to tend to his family, while Percival loses Angel but makes it to the big time in Chicago (hey ya!) -- is nonetheless effective, up to a point.

That point would have been about 85 minutes in, though the movie runs for nearly two hours. And if Benjamin solemnly intoning the famous quote from Shakespeare's "As You Like It" ("All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players...") was cheesy at the start of the film, it became annoying in the middle and downright stupid when it was repeated a third time near the end.

In addition to this unnecessary fat in serious need of trimming, "Idlewild" suffers from a lack of focus, trying to be something for everyone: It's a love story; a sub-"Scarface" gangster movie (complete with sudden and jarring eruptions of violence) and a buddy film -- though the relationship between Patton and Benjamin is seriously underplayed, adding more fuel to the speculation that OutKast is destined to split. Most of all, though, it's a musical -- which, again, is its biggest shortcoming.

As songwriters and producers, Benjamin and Patton seem to have little real affinity for this era. In his big production numbers, Benjamin doesn't seem to know whether he wants to be Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington or Louis Armstrong, so he tries to channel all three simultaneously, upping the flamboyant silliness and minimizing the fact that he can't really sing. Meanwhile, Patton appears to enjoy his bad-boy lover-man role and the natty clothes, but he seems embarrassed by the hackneyed attempts to summon period sounds, so he just tries to rap through his numbers as quickly as possible, as if rapid-fire flow will prevail over pervasive cheese.

In the end, the saddest thing about "Idlewild" is that all of the pieces were present for a very good film. But Patton and Benjamin, who have accepted few stylistic restraints over the course of six wildly inventive albums, for some reason felt compelled to limit the music to a sound and style they just didn't feel. By its very nature, a musical can never be super-realistic, and they didn't seem troubled by other whimsical touches like a talking rooster.

Who ever said that OutKast couldn't have powered a film set in a '30s speakeasy with non-'30s sounds? Songs as strong as the best this group has given us in the new millennium would have gone a long way to making a just-OK movie about the distant past something pretty special.

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'Idlewild:' A Rap Movie With Rapturous Originality

By Teresa Wiltz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 25, 2006; Page C01

By all rights, "Idlewild," the much-promoted Prohibition-era musical starring the Grammy-winning OutKast, those quirkily space-age rappers from the ATL, shouldn't work. Shouldn't work, wouldn't work, but somehow does work. For all its shortcomings, "Idlewild" also has something that few films can pull off: moments of such cinematic fabulousness, breathtaking dance sequences and idiosyncratic 3-D animation flourishes that we are more than willing to forgive it for all of its sins.

Yes, it's a rap movie in that it's got rappers and rapping and gangstas and enough cartoon-level violence to make Wile E. Coyote blanch. But "Idlewild" takes the rapping actor -- or is it acting rapper? -- genre and melds it with the gangster flicks of the '30s, mixing and matching influences for a startlingly original film.

It has moments of pure beauty: Vintage black-and-white photos suddenly animate, a still life morphing into reel life. And it's got moments of pure whimsy, with music notes that turn into stick figures leaping off the page, and a wall of dancing cuckoo clocks singing backup to Andre "Andre 3000" Benjamin's moody musings about the nature of time.

As scripts go, it's a bit of fluff, cobbled together from bits of flicks gone by -- "Bugsy Malone," "The Cotton Club," "Chicago," "Cabin in the Sky." Blow on it and phwwwwwwwwwttt, it flits away. In many ways it's a two-hour music video, except that for all its fluffiness, its impact lingers long after the Busby Berkeleyesque credit sequence rolls, thanks to the filmmaker's visual innovations and OutKast's funkily eccentric sensibility.

Neither member of OutKast, Benjamin or Antwan A. "Big Boi" Patton, has the acting chops of, say, a Tupac or a Mos Def, but they acquit themselves reasonably. And with a supporting cast that includes Terrence Howard, Cicely Tyson, Ben Vereen, Ving Rhames and Patti LaBelle, we hardly minded.

Written and directed by music video director Bryan Barber ("Hey Ya" and "Roses"), it stars Benjamin and Patton as Percival and Rooster, two childhood pals from different sides of the track in Idlewild, Ga., an idyllic, all-black town where the folks are cast in a pretty, sepia-toned light.

Percival is an introverted piano player, the gawky son of an overbearing and alcoholic mortician (Ben Vereen) who spends way too much time talking to a picture of Percival's dead mother. (Literally dead in the photo, too: She's posed in her coffin, a nod to an old tradition of recording the final moments with a loved one.) Rooster, the son of a moonshine runner, is married with a passel of kids, but he can't resist the ladies. His latest entanglement: Rose (Paula Jai Parker), the mistress of an exceedingly portly gentleman named Sunshine, who owns Church, the juke joint. One night, two events transpire that alter their fates: A beautiful singer named Angel (Paula Patton) joins the club and grabs Percival's heart; then Rooster witnesses Trumpy, played by Howard with an easygoing menace, seize control of the club in a bullet-riddled coup. From there, all sorts of chaos ensues, resulting in an unnecessary pileup of bodies and one truly cringe-inducing encounter with a corpse.

But never mind the plot. It won't hold up to the scrutiny. Better instead to go back to Church, where the chorus girls, with their painted breasts and fire-eating tricks, make the chorines from Fosse's "Cabaret" look like the Rockettes in a Radio City Christmas spectacular. Everything at Church is deliciously, wickedly decadent, from the sweaty bodies intertwining on the dance floor to the leering, cigar-smoking thugs to a pneumatic Macy Gray singing a raspy, raunchy little ditty while the drunken crowd roars.

Then Rooster takes the stage, and that's when things get really interesting, with him and Percival melding rap and swing to a head-nodding, and seemingly period-authentic, effect.

Tony Award-winning choreographer Hinton Battle (a former Washingtonian) plays visual DJ, sampling styles from break dancing to Lindy Hopping to ballet to gymnastics. At times the camera slows down to showcase the dancers' athletic pyrotechnics, stretching out the action in a lyrical slo-mo. It's difficult to shoot dance well, to capture the kinetic pulse of moving bodies in a way that doesn't overwhelm. "Idlewild" does it brilliantly, creating an air of excitement that's rare in film today.

Idlewild (121 minutes, at area theaters) is rated R for cartoonish violence, hoochie-mama nudity, sexuality and a whole lotta cussin'.

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30. "sigh....."
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As an ENORMOUS OutKast fan (fire should be able to back me up on this one) it really wasnt very good. And I almost completely blame Brian Barber. Visually it had interesting shots, but how can a man who directs music videos for a living not be able to put together a single GREAT musical sequence. The musical sequences were good, with some great dancing, but they kind of fell flat. Although there were funny bits, and relatively decent acting by Dre and Big Boi (and yes, Big Boi was better than Dre in my opinion), there was so little joy in this movie, it was just listless. It pains me to make this post, but I feel I must. This officially marks the only time these two men have let me down in 12 years. At least the album is banging.





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I thought the dancing scenes worked well.

  

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33. "Visually"
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Barber really impressed me. It's adventurous and strikes gold numerous times... this movie has a true hip hop aesthetic, in the when-hip-hop-first-excited-you sense...

  

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34. "i seent it last night"
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and the cinemotagraphy was great
wonderfully creative

but what the fuck was the plot? the dialogue was great, the different characters were great but the story developed horribly. i was not impressed by that by any means. but it was entertaining and i am glad to support every outkast endeavor.

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35. "Critics...stop with the comparisons"
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I really liked this movie. Sure the writing was subpar but the whole movie was visually amazing, the music/dancing was good, and the acting was...alright. The best part was I did not nod off (I HATE musicals of all types) and I love Outkast.

Also, Fishbone was in it as the band at Church and I LOVE Fishbone.

I give it a B+.

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36. "Comparisons to what? Good musicals?"
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I'm half kidding. I agree, the musical numbers were great, but I really was irritated by the constant, Michael Bay-of-Armageddon-esque cutting, and the story was way off... those things are important... you do know, it *is* possible to enjoy a film yet still have criticism of it, right?
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37. "I usually hate musicals"
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I am talking about all the swipes posted above.

>you do know, it *is* possible to
>enjoy a film yet still have criticism of it, right?

I am talking about critics tho, not regular folks who criticize.

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38. "Uh, the critics posted here pretty much are all saying the same thing"
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That there was lots to enjoy visually and musically, but it was a narrative mess. Do the "common folk" not care about story? I do.
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39. "F a critic tho"
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>That there was lots to enjoy visually and musically, but it
>was a narrative mess. Do the "common folk" not care about
>story? I do.

Sigh. It's becoming more and more rare that common folk care about good storytelling. If it really made a difference I think Hollywood would be forced to make more of an effort. I kept seeing packaged plots, stereotypes, and remixes of old ideas (not done very well) in all kinds of "art" nowadays.

I also don't trust critics when it comes to hip-hop, rap, etc., and especially not a rap-musical. I don't think all the criticism is bad but I still can't trust it. When critics raved about Chicago the movie I waited until it came out on cable and, for a musical, it was well done. However, it was already a successful Broadway show. Most musicals made as movies are. Not Idlewild, so I have to follow my own instincts and ignore the critics.

I'm glad I did.

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41. "Sorry, but if you like a movie with bad writing. F your instincts."
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>> Not Idlewild, so I have to follow my own
>instincts and ignore the critics.

  

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Shrugs

lol

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>Sigh. It's becoming more and more rare that common folk care
>about good storytelling.

Disagree. Yes, you do have people who like to go see "mindless" movies, but "bad storytelling/uninteresting subject matter" has been cited as one of the main reasons why theater attendance is down overall. For the most part, "the people" love good, or reasonably well-told, stories.


>If it really made a difference I
>think Hollywood would be forced to make more of an effort.

Disagree again. You'll know why in a second.


>I
>kept seeing packaged plots, stereotypes, and remixes of old
>ideas (not done very well) in all kinds of "art" nowadays.

The public will only go see what is out there. And what's out there is the product of major multinational corporations whose goals are usually to make loads of money in the easiest ways possible, hence sequels, remakes, and kiddie movies. As pre-packaged brands, they're all easy moneymakers, at least in theory. There's a reason why marketing heads, not film theory majors, are being promoted to positions of power at movie studios, and it's not because "the people" don't know what they want.



>I also don't trust critics when it comes to hip-hop, rap,
>etc., and especially not a rap-musical.

But what if the criticism comes from a "hip-hop rap" place like (hypothetically) The Source? Or it comes from a black critic? Or someone like Ebert, who is amusingly notorious for generally giving so-called black films a pass in his reviews? Still not trustworthy?



>When critics
>raved about Chicago the movie I waited until it came out on
>cable and, for a musical, it was well done. However, it was
>already a successful Broadway show. Most musicals made as
>movies are.

So, what does this have to do with the critics? Are you assuming that this fact gave the film version more credence in the critic's eyes because it came from "their world," their wheelhouse, as it were?



>Not Idlewild, so I have to follow my own
>instincts and ignore the critics.

That's fine, and while it's asinine to tell you about your own instincts, I *can* say that I think it's unfair to assume that the critics wouldn't "get" this picture, especially since it stars one of the major MUSIC groups (not just "rap" groups) of the past 10-12 years, as if these critics don't know who OutKast is or what they're about. It wasn't just 11 million Negroes who bought that last OutKast record! And I also think it's not a good idea to hold this picture up to a "different" standard just because it has some "rappers" in it.

I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with your (hinted at) thesis, which is because this movie has black people in it, and they're singing and dancing and rapping too, that these stuffy white critics, who live in hermetically-sealed worlds of whiteness, won't "get" the movie.

The very fact that a lot of these reviews says the same thing (that it LOOKED and SOUNDED great, but the STORY was off) disproves that. These critics are aware that the music *augments* the story, not *advances* it, the way the music in a traditional musical does. They know that this is not a "traditional" musical. You really need to give them more credit.



>I'm glad I did.

I know it's fashionable to bash critics nowadays, but their reviews (at least the mixed ones) of this film have been spot on, imo. It doesn't take a thorough knowledge of Hip Hop Kulture (or even black culture in general) to know what a good movie is or isn't.

And it'd be different if this film were Wild Style '06, or Beat Street 2, and there were things in it that only heads could relate to or "get," but it's a period MUSICAL with a couple of rap songs (and rappers) in it. There's a difference.
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>...are the main reasons why theater
>attendance is down overall.

>For the most part, "the people"
>love good, or reasonably well-told, stories.

I'm not saying they don't but movies such as "Idlewild" are just as much about popular culture as filmmaking/storytelling. Regular folks listen to it every day; many are extremely passionate about their preferences; many of them have compendious knowledge about hip hop or punk or country or whatever; many of them have elaborate standards of evaluation.

>There's a reason why marketing heads, not film theory
>majors, are being promoted to positions of power at movie
>studios, and it's not because "the people" don't know what
>they want.

I'm not in total disagreement with this. However, I tend to see marketing as part of the mechanism and motives of the group mind. Edward Bernays, the father of spin wrote, "...is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it?". I think in many cases the answer is, 'Yes'.

>But what if the criticism comes from a "hip-hop rap" place
>like (hypothetically) The Source? Or it comes from a black
>critic? Or someone like Ebert, who is amusingly notorious for
>generally giving so-called black films a pass in his reviews?
>Still not trustworthy?

For me a critic must have a track record in order to be trustworthy. I stopped reading The Source reviews years ago.

>>When critics
>>raved about Chicago the movie I waited until it came out on
>>cable and, for a musical, it was well done. However, it was
>>already a successful Broadway show. Most musicals made as
>>movies are.
>
>So, what does this have to do with the critics? Are you
>assuming that this fact gave the film version more credence in
>the critic's eyes because it came from "their world," their
>wheelhouse, as it were?

Oh, definately, esp. coming from a western p.o.v. A few assertions: what western aesthetics hates about popular music/culture is that people actually listen to them, that they’re accessible. It hates that they’re useful (for dancing, say, or singing along with in the car). And it can’t deal with hip-hop in particular because the structure, performances, and uses are fundamentally non-western; in fact, they’re fundamentally African.

>That's fine, and while it's asinine to tell you about your own
>instincts, I *can* say that I think it's unfair to assume that
>the critics wouldn't "get" this picture, especially since it
>stars one of the major MUSIC groups (not just "rap" groups) of
>the past 10-12 years, as if these critics don't know who
>OutKast is or what they're about. It wasn't just 11 million
>Negroes who bought that last OutKast record!

One could argue that it wasn't until Outkast broke out of the rap box that non-Negroes gave a damn.

>I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with your
>(hinted at) thesis, which is because this movie has black
>people in it, and they're singing and dancing and rapping too,
>that these stuffy white critics, who live in
>hermetically-sealed worlds of whiteness, won't "get" the
>movie.

My thesis is not that they won't get the movie. I think that unless they are able to embrace and/or relate to a non-western aesthetic they can't help but not understand it. Some are more able than others. Also, what Black film critics do you know of?

>And it'd be different if this film were Wild Style '06, or
>Beat Street 2, and there were things in it that only heads
>could relate to or "get," but it's a period MUSICAL with a
>couple of rap songs (and rappers) in it. There's a
>difference.

True but I still think it takes more than a knowledge of the Great Depression or the "public enemy era" to understand some of the cultural representations in Idlewild.

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62. "Cutting to the chase"
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>>There's a reason why marketing heads, not film theory
>>majors, are being promoted to positions of power at movie
>>studios, and it's not because "the people" don't know what
>>they want.
>
>I'm not in total disagreement with this. However, I tend to
>see marketing as part of the mechanism and motives of the
>group mind. Edward Bernays, the father of spin wrote, "...is
>it not possible to control and regiment the masses according
>to our will without their knowing about it?". I think in many
>cases the answer is, 'Yes'.

Which is why I said what I said about marketing heads. What is it that marketers do? Do they not "control and regiment the masses according to (their) will?" Your definition of "the people don't know what they want" includes the addition of "so we'll tell them what they want," which is fine, and also proves my point.



>>But what if the criticism comes from a "hip-hop rap" place
>>like (hypothetically) The Source? Or it comes from a black
>>critic? Or someone like Ebert, who is amusingly notorious
>for
>>generally giving so-called black films a pass in his reviews?
>
>>Still not trustworthy?
>
>For me a critic must have a track record in order to be
>trustworthy. I stopped reading The Source reviews years ago.

Well, The Source is a "hip hop" magazine, is it not? Is hip hop not in their wheelhouse? Are they not experts on Hip Hop Kulture? You stopped reading the magazine years ago, and that's great, so did I, but there are still kids who do read it and get their reviews from there.



>>So, what does this have to do with the critics? Are you
>>assuming that this fact gave the film version more credence
>in
>>the critic's eyes because it came from "their world," their
>>wheelhouse, as it were?
>
>Oh, definately, esp. coming from a western p.o.v. A few
>assertions: what western aesthetics hates about popular
>music/culture is that people actually listen to them, that
>they’re accessible. It hates that they’re useful (for
>dancing, say, or singing along with in the car). And it can’t
>deal with hip-hop in particular because the structure,
>performances, and uses are fundamentally non-western; in fact,
>they’re fundamentally African.

The fact that up until very recently, hip hop was the biggest selling genre of music for the last 15 years kinda disproves all of this, doesn't it? I understand what you're trying to say, that the dominant culture can't deal with/accept hip hop, but I'd like to believe that most of the critics are a bit more hip than that.

We've come a long way from the days when David Ansen predicted riots in the streets before Do The Right Thing opened, have we not?



>>That's fine, and while it's asinine to tell you about your
>own
>>instincts, I *can* say that I think it's unfair to assume
>that
>>the critics wouldn't "get" this picture, especially since it
>>stars one of the major MUSIC groups (not just "rap" groups)
>of
>>the past 10-12 years, as if these critics don't know who
>>OutKast is or what they're about. It wasn't just 11 million
>>Negroes who bought that last OutKast record!
>
>One could argue that it wasn't until Outkast broke out of the
>rap box that non-Negroes gave a damn.

I don't disagree, but honestly, I couldn't care less if the critics (or the malleable public) happened to be in the studio when OutKast was cutting Southernplayalistic, the point is that NOW, in the year 2006, they know who OutKast are. And before it's brought up, I only mentioned the duration of the group to point out how long they've been around, not to say that these critics have known or should have known about them since then.



>>I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with your
>>(hinted at) thesis, which is because this movie has black
>>people in it, and they're singing and dancing and rapping
>too,
>>that these stuffy white critics, who live in
>>hermetically-sealed worlds of whiteness, won't "get" the
>>movie.
>
>My thesis is not that they won't get the movie. I think that
>unless they are able to embrace and/or relate to a non-western
>aesthetic they can't help but not understand it. Some are
>more able than others.

So, you *are* saying that they won't "get it." Why do I say that? Because it's a major assumption on your part, considering just how much of Hip Hop Kulture has infiltrated the mainstream over the last 25 years, to assume that these are all stodgy guys and gals who just can't, won't, and don't understand the hippity hop. Again, I wish you'd give them a little more credit than that. I'm not saying that ALL of them are absorbing every aspect of black culture that they can get their hands on (and frankly, I don't believe they have to), but even those with a cursory knowledge of what black culture is and what rap is and what hip hop is will be able to understand what's going on.

And again, the "they don't fully know the culture" argument is a load of crap when the story can't hold its own weight. Bad storytelling is bad storytelling; there are no separate "western" and "non-western" standards for good narrative. To suggest otherwise is just plain plea copping.

And let's not forget that Bryan Barber, Andre Benjamin and Antwan Patton are all Americans. Yes, they're from the South, and they're black, but that doesn't let them off the hook for questionable storytelling technique. You simply can't excuse critiques of questionable storytelling with, "well, the critics aren't black, so they obviously don't know that the way we tell our stories is different than the western culture's way, so that's why they hated it." No.



>Also, what Black film critics do you
>know of?

Let's start with Elvis Mitchell, then go on to John Ridley, who's also a writer, and add Ernest Hardy of the L.A. Weekly, and go on from there. And we can make a playful joke by adding Roger Ebert to the list if we so desired...



>>And it'd be different if this film were Wild Style '06, or
>>Beat Street 2, and there were things in it that only heads
>>could relate to or "get," but it's a period MUSICAL with a
>>couple of rap songs (and rappers) in it. There's a
>>difference.
>
>True but I still think it takes more than a knowledge of the
>Great Depression or the "public enemy era" to understand some
>of the cultural representations in Idlewild.

I should also mention that Entertainment Weekly's Owen Glieberman, who is the whitest white man alive, gave the movie it's most glowing review BY FAR.
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63. "RE: Cutting to the chase"
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>Well, The Source is a "hip hop" magazine, is it not? Is hip
>hop not in their wheelhouse? Are they not experts on Hip Hop
>Kulture?

Some would argue that they sold out years ago. In my case, I figured I could listen/look myself and make my own determination. I'll come back to this in a sec.

>The fact that up until very recently, hip hop was the biggest
>selling genre of music for the last 15 years kinda disproves
>all of this, doesn't it? I understand what you're trying to
>say, that the dominant culture can't deal with/accept hip hop,
>but I'd like to believe that most of the critics are a bit
>more hip than that.

Well, it's cool for you to believe this but I'm still not buying it. I think a few of them get it but the majority? Nah.

>We've come a long way from the days when David Ansen predicted
>riots in the streets before Do The Right Thing opened, have we
>not?

This is a different time. I seriously wonder how far we've really come since DTRT. I wonder how far we've come since the 60s but that's another story.

>I don't disagree, but honestly, I couldn't care less if the
>critics (or the malleable public) happened to be in the studio
>when OutKast was cutting Southernplayalistic, the point is
>that NOW, in the year 2006, they know who OutKast are.

But do they really know what they are about? It's not just rap and hip-hop tho.

"L.A. WEEKLY: How has being from the South contributed to who and where you are now?

DRE: I think we look at music totally different, because we’ve had time to see (hip-hop) go from the East Coast to the West Coast and so on. When you look at American music, from day one it’s all from the South, and it goes this way (motions northward with his hands), so I think it’s kinda a three-sixty, come-back-around thing. And we appreciate all those styles of music — blues, jazz, bebop, field songs . . .

BIG BOI: Rock . . .

DRE: Church hymns, rock & roll — which is still (originally) black — it’s all in OutKast’s music. And because we grew up on New York hip-hop and West Coast hip-hop, we got some of that, too. It’s the full package.

BIG BOI: Exactly." - from http://www.laweekly.com/music/music/outkast-in-love/14310/

That was my whole thing with talking about non-western aesthetic. I'm not saying there are no critics who understand this but I am saying that there still is a lot of "boxing in" going on...all over popular culture.

>>My thesis is not that they won't get the movie. I think
>that
>>unless they are able to embrace and/or relate to a
>non-western
>>aesthetic they can't help but not understand it. Some are
>>more able than others.
>
>So, you *are* saying that they won't "get it." Why do I say
>that? Because it's a major assumption on your part,
>considering just how much of Hip Hop Kulture has infiltrated
>the mainstream over the last 25 years, to assume that these
>are all stodgy guys and gals who just can't, won't, and don't
>understand the hippity hop. Again, I wish you'd give them a
>little more credit than that.

For some I do and most I don't.

>And again, the "they don't fully know the culture" argument is
>a load of crap when the story can't hold its own weight. Bad
>storytelling is bad storytelling; there are no separate
>"western" and "non-western" standards for good narrative. To
>suggest otherwise is just plain plea copping.

In the previous post I wrote, "Movies such as "Idlewild" are just as much about popular culture as filmmaking/storytelling." I've already written that the film's writing leaves much to be desired and, for some reason, I was okay with that. In this case. It is my hope that in the future better storylines will be created in films such as this one. Much of the film was a collection of music videos and a thin line (of a story) held them together. Very thin but I still tapped my feet and sang along.

>You simply can't excuse
>critiques of questionable storytelling with, "well, the
>critics aren't black, so they obviously don't know that the
>way we tell our stories is different than the western
>culture's way, so that's why they hated it." No.

True but I can question whether they really understand the purpose of a film.

>>Also, what Black film critics do you
>>know of?
>
>Let's start with Elvis Mitchell, then go on to John Ridley,
>who's also a writer, and add Ernest Hardy of the L.A. Weekly,
>and go on from there. And we can make a playful joke by
>adding Roger Ebert to the list if we so desired...

No, no, no. Roger Ebert does not get the honorary Black critic label from me but he is about the ONLY critic I trust.

>I should also mention that Entertainment Weekly's Owen
>Glieberman, who is the whitest white man alive, gave the movie
>it's most glowing review BY FAR.

I'm not bashing all critics. I am saying I take their opinions with a grain of salt.

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40. "it'll be a cult flick........"
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it was entertaining even though some parts were sappy...

  

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43. "Box Office Update: $5.9 mil, 8th place, but"
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it was only on 998 screens, and its $6,055 per screen average was the best in the top 10.

Invincible was first with $17 mil, Talladega Nights second with $8 mil, Little Miss Sunshine (aka the best film of the summer) was third, with $7.5 mil (they added more screens so there was a 33% box office increase from week-to-week), Beerfest was fourth with $6.5 mil, and S.H.I.T. University was fifth with about $6.4 mil.

Snakes on a Plane dropped 57% to ninth place.
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44. "i LOVED it"
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45. "What a shock."
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46. "I knew you would, but I just dont understand"
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I think that is because what I disliked most about it was how mediocre it was. If it had been all around flat out bad I might like it more, cause it would just show Kast going to extremes, but it was just bleh. As I said before, the music was too quiet (what?) the acting was bland in general, it wanted to be funny but was never hilarious, it wanted to be serious but never broke your heart, it wanted the stars and shot at a tree. Yes, there were lots of interesting shots, but they didnt hold the film together. But you know what? I didnt go see this movie for Bryan Barber. I came for OutKast. And they werent allowed to do as much as they could have done. More musical sequences with better pacing, less stifling faux-suspense (except for Dres scene towards the end, I actually thought it might happen) I just wanted more everything.

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47. "Fuck all the haters/Critics"
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People will always hate and over analyize things down to the tee.

I just saw the movie and I'll give it a Soild A

The characters played their parts well and the music was great also

  

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48. "Being critical doesn't mean you're a hater."
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I really, really wish people with low standards would stop leaning on this crutch.

  

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49. "over analytical is where my beef is mainly"
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Cats who pick at everything.

Just take somethings for what they are


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50. "Criticizing a movie's writing and acting isn't over analyzing."
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It's analyzing.

  

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52. "where do you draw the line between analytical and over-analytical?"
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56. "analytical=i agree with you. over-analytical=i don't"
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57. ".. a fine analysis indeed."
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i concur.

  

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58. "It gave the videos to my favs on LB/SB"
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but now she lives in my lap will be stuck in my head another 2wks.

Definantly an entertaining movie, however I've been wondering bout the choice of costume, primarily Angle/Sally's shoe game. Just bout er'body in the flick had shoes from that era cept her. I was expecting to see her in some maryjanes but er' shoe she sported was from this era (i.e.) the extra lace tie/wrap around the ankle sandles w/ crochet embroidered(sp) top and the satin pink open toe heels(both n!ce). Probably reading too much into the flick but I was wondering if it held some kinda aesthetic.
Only thing the movie didn't give was a enough consistency and a few good pull back and overhead shots. Granted it was the 30's the dp coulda played a lil bit more.

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60. "I like it what yall think about the ending"
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wiht Andre (the one who suppoused to be not into music so much anymore) staying and making music at the end.

and Big boi (the one with the label and really into music) the one quiting and spending time with his family.

makes me take "the train" in a different light

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64. "ZooTown74 was right on the mark"
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I REALLY wanted to like this movie more.

Is it bad? No. It's entertaining, funny, some of the music numbers are well done. None of the acting is terrible. Terrence Howard is great as the villain, and Big Boi is surprisingly good too.

But...

It just seemed kinda...half assed. Like the pressure was on and they just had to release the movie now. As a result, the writing isn't that great, some of the characters don't get a resolution (Ben Vereen). The ending kind of fell flat with the musical number...

And for my part, it really seemed like they should have used all new songs, instead of just mostly going to stuff from the Love Below. Sometimes, like with Church, it worked, but why not Idlewild Blues? For God's sake, why not Morris Brown (the fact that they didn't use that one probably made me the most upset). It just seemed sort of cheap that the whole thing was fresh and original, but the songs were just rehash. Did they just drag ass for so long that they didn't have enough new shit for the movie, and just had to go with the older stuff? It irked me.

Oh, and that sex scene? What in the hell???

Overall, it was good and enjoyable. I just wish it had been just a little bit better. Just one more year with script rewrites and new song numbers, maybe a better ending, and this would have been great.

  

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72. "yes, thank you"
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You said everything I was trying to say without sounding as bitter as I did. Thank you.

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65. "more box office stats"
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from Box office mojo:
Universal Pictures' Idlewild fared best among the weekend's other debuts. Rap group OutKast's 1930s gangster musical packed an estimated $5.9 million at 973 venues, which was less than last summer's rap movie Hustle and Flow. Universal's research indicated that 82 percent of Idlewild's audience was black, 55 percent over 30 and 61 percent female.

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66. "Paula Patton song....title??? anyone, anyone"
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Opening Act, Headliner, Afterparty....

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89. "its the last song on outkasts greatest hits"
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w/joi gilliam tearing shit up

  

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67. "Loved every frame of this flick."
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Visually stunning. Terrific lighting and cinematography.
Yea, the story was a little light in the ass with the "let's go to the big city and leave this small town" type plots, but I've seen a lot worse films and clusterfucks get away with a lot more on this board from a few of you guys.

I think Bryan Barber is on to something. He could go the way of a Michael Bay (*shudders*) or a Michael Gondry. I would like to see what he could do with a good script and see if he can grow as a director by getting better performances from his cast. If I were a studio, I would definitely keep an eye on Barber on possible giving him a franchise (ie Fantastic Four, Xmen, IronMan, BB, Spiderman, The Watchmen, etc)

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68. "The Only Review That Matters"
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http://fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-ent-moviereview-idlewild.html

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69. "No, no, no"
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I liked Andre Benjamin in the movie...a lot. Andre 3000 is the reason why I'm still interested in Outkast. He's what keeps the group outta the box, so to speak.

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70. "he's making them into a parody"
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71. "A parody of what?"
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???

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73. "It sucked"
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that is it.

  

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74. "The critics are being hypocritical in their reviews..."
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the main beef I'm hearing is that the music is too "modern" for the time setting....

I mean, it's OUTKAST....theye a hip-hop group....

its a musical...its a fantasy....

I didnt see all this bitchin abt era appropriate music when Baz Luhrmann does his movies...

the other thing that puzzles me if the bitching abt the dancing...the dancing is phenomnenal....they also claim that the dancing is not era-appropriate, either....

bullshit....Im sure them mf's have seen SOME footage of Black folks dancing back in the day....

they bitched about the way Barber shot the dance scene, says it distracting....

How?

what Barber is illustrating is the genius of Black dance and creativity as a whole...

you CANT have a jook jonit w/out folks tearin up the floor...

wasnt nobody bitchin about the dance scene in Titanic....

Needless to say, I thoroughly enjoyed Idlewild....

it was a lot of fun and it stayed with me after it was done....I would very much like to see it again....

sure there were flaws, but those flaws were forgivable....Purple Rain had flaws, too...

I, personally think that more of the music from the album should have been included....those songs would have set the film off very right(Call The Law, Idlewild Blue, etc)...

and there should have been more musical numbers...though I enjoyed the characters, I couldnt wait for the music to start again....

and oh yeah, Malinda Williams is a beautiful human being...



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75. "Worst plea cop ever."
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>sure there were flaws, but those flaws were
>forgivable....Purple Rain had flaws, too...

I'll say. Like the fact that it was awful.

  

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77. "how the shit is that a plea cop?"
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Purple Rain is a great movie....

Great film....no...

Idlewild is a great movie...

Great film..no...

but even as a FILM, it's techincally better than Purple Rain...

as a MOVIE.....aint too much seein' Purple Rain....

get off yr high horse....


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83. "Here's how."
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>Purple Rain is a great movie....
>
>Great film....no...

Nice try. It's either a good movie/film or it's a bad movie/film. Period. And Purple Rain is just bad.

>get off yr high horse....

No. I refuse to lower my standards.

  

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85. "whatever, dog...good luck with that...."
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91. "...not with a bang but with a whimper."
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79. "Jeez nick. You and Zoo thought it was awful?"
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To the point were you wouldn't want to see a film from Barber again? That's awful to me. That's way too strong man.

Like I said in my earlier post, I would like to see where he can go as a filmmaker because visually, this is one of the stronger movies I've seen this year (especially with that "budget"). Let's see what he can do with a stronger script and maybe even more seasoned actors.

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80. "Uh, I never said it was awful."
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Neither Idlewild nor Purple Rain is awful.

And remember, "Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is worse than Graffiti Bridge."
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84. "I haven't seen it yet. I'm just sick of this "aww they just hating" BS."
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Maybe the movie just isn't that good people.

  

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76. "Nev'mind"
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Just go here:

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/idlewild
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78. "This reminds me of all those crappy Prince films"
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I dont understand how Andre and Big are rarely seen together, and by does Andre suck and come of mechanical in his acting, Big Boi is a charm, and fun to watch, specially his fake white teeth

  

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81. "Andre dragged that movie down"
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Now I feel that Andre can't sing AND can't act. Big Boi blew Andre away with the acting on pure charisma alone. Andre was doing his weird quiet little eccentric shit through the whole movie and I got tired of it. Dude can not act, period.
Terrence was cold as hell through most of the movie, he was the only real good actor in there. The Musical scenes were good though some seemed way to music video-ish. I wanted to like this movie but I just couldn't, it just wasn't well done. Interesting idea but piss-poor execution and some god-awful acting.

  

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82. "I disagree...SPOILER"
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:)

Although I liked both main characters I related more to Percival for personal reasons. I dug what Andre Benjamin was putting out there on screen. Depression and suicide are not easy subjects for Black folks and he was doing it...dealing with that quite well in the role.

>Now I feel that Andre can't sing AND can't act.

I was riveted during Chronomentrophobia and at the end during the PJ and Rooster video. He's not the greatest singer but he certainly has a magnetic quality when he performs.

>Big Boi blew
>Andre away with the acting on pure charisma alone. Andre was
>doing his weird quiet little eccentric shit through the whole
>movie and I got tired of it. Dude can not act, period.

Too bad you think that way. There was some interesting things happening with Percival in the film.

>Terrence was cold as hell through most of the movie, he was
>the only real good actor in there.

Terrence (the only cat I actually know) had a moment but his performance was mostly stereotypical and cardboard.

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88. "Andre's performance was weak *SPOILERS*"
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I fairly sure i was missing anything in ther Percival performance. It's a character I've seen lots of times before (maybe not done by a black actor) but many times before. He didn't speak his lines that well at all and there wasn't much chemistry with the actress who played Angel.

The whole dueling plotlines was very weak and came together badly at the end and so much of the movie was extremely predictable.

I really think a lot of people really wanted to like this film because of the Outkast backing, but i just can't get past the horrible acting and the poor plot and some of the cinematography was good (especially during the musical sequences) but others were awful. This movie was good enough to be shown on HBO but not a major film.

  

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90. "Well we can agree to disagree"
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>I fairly sure i was missing anything in ther Percival
>performance. It's a character I've seen lots of times before
>(maybe not done by a black actor) but many times before.

???

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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86. "shit was great"
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the good FAR outweighed the bad. if steven spielberg had made this movie the press would be ALL over it. hwood is playing the reverse race card.

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87. "Right. And Owen Glieberman apparently missed the memo."
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You're much smarter than this.
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This song says 'Produced by,' not 'Brought in the beat by...'"
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92. "RE: Was this film really necessary?"
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I used to think any black film that is not of the "in the hood genre" would be a welcomed diversion. Not any more. I could tell from the reviews that the storyline was not any thing new but I thought to myself maybe the film has a bit more substance than the critics suggested. Boy I was wrong and Dre and Big Boi did not do their fans no favor with this midly entertaing excursion. Am I being to hard? NOOOOOOOOOOO! This film would not make my top twenty list of best black cinema. Oh yeah and the music. Man, that shit sucked. I am gonna research into the real Idlewild which I understand was an actual place blacks would go to vacation during segretion. Certainly this history lesson will be more enteryaing than Outkast's cinematic ego trip.

  

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93. "I gave it an A-"
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It had flaws (thus the minus), but overall it was a highly enjoyable, visually stunning movie with lots of great moments, even if the story had some problems.

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I did think the Bible stopping the bullet was too much of a cliche. my least favorite moment, possibly. I saw that shit the instant that old lady starting talking about "God told her to park there."
I mean, at least have his trusty talking rooster take that bullet for him instead.

  

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94. "Late Pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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So I just got this album the other day for, like, 22 cents at Tower Records...OVERHATED! Based on the reviews I read when it dropped it didn't sound like something that I'd enjoy, but this is a damn good album, regardless of whose doing tracks with who, or whether or not Patton and Benjamin were playing grab ass between takes. Some of the later tracks are a little bloated and redundant (ie unneccesary), but the good stuff is very good..."Hollywood Divorce," "Mighty O," and that song that is mostly sung by a chick before Big Boi rips a verse (track 15 or 16 I think?)...wow. I'll be bumping this for a little while.

But I'm also loving Hip Hop is Dead, so what do I know.

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