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"Spike goes in on Tyler Perry"
Fri May-29-09 11:35 AM by Orfeo_Negro

  

          

I was wondering why he'd never commented on TP all this time...


http://globalgrind.com/source/newsone.blackplanet.com/679631/spike-lee-rips-tyler-perry/

Spike Lee Compares Tyler Perry To Amos and Andy
By Casey Gane-McCalla, Assistant Editor May 28, 2009 10:11 am

Spike Lee had an interview with Ed Gordon on Our World with Black Enterprise scheduled to air this weekend. In the interview he complained about “coonery and buffoonery” and both of Tyler Perry’s shows “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne,” comparing them to characters from minstrel shows.

From EurWeB

“We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton , people came out to see it. But when he did ‘Rosewood,’ nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee . As African-Americans, we’re not one monolithic group, so there is room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the imaging is troubling and it harkens back to ‘Amos n’ Andy.’”

“Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic endeavors, but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today that is coonery and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s “Meet the Browns” and “House of Payne”), and I am scratching my head. We got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?

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Amos N' Andy is a top 3 all-time sitcom and showed positive images
May 29th 2009
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I agree.
May 29th 2009
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are you serious????
May 29th 2009
4
      Yep... Spike hates all "low" Black culture.
May 29th 2009
8
           Cat like Spike are quick to say we aren't monolithic
May 29th 2009
9
           ?
May 29th 2009
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                But who's to say what's really coonin' ?
May 29th 2009
11
                     Have you seen the adverts?
May 29th 2009
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                          RE: Have you seen the adverts?
May 31st 2009
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                          its not cooning...
Jun 02nd 2009
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           Wait a minute
Jun 07th 2009
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but in 2009, Tyler Perry can do better than those commercials.
May 29th 2009
3
Right .... big difference between the TV & radio show
May 29th 2009
6
*thumbs up*
Jun 03rd 2009
63
The radio show casts a long shadow homie....
Jun 05th 2009
81
*whistles dixie in this post*
May 29th 2009
5
cosign nm
May 29th 2009
25
Spike mad
May 29th 2009
7
i disagree....
May 29th 2009
12
      TP's movies suck
May 29th 2009
14
           he's talking about the advertisement for the tbs shows
May 29th 2009
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                So we can't dance and smile at the same time now?
May 29th 2009
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                     So we're gonna pretend like there ISN'T a history there?
May 29th 2009
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                          Sure there is but we shouldn't be prisoners of it either
Jun 02nd 2009
55
Me being a fan of both filmmakers, I DID NOT see this coming!
May 29th 2009
13
His issue is w/the adverts for the new sitcoms.
May 29th 2009
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I never said anything about The Madea Franchise
May 29th 2009
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*snort*
May 29th 2009
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RE: yawning
May 29th 2009
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Is anyone surprised? Spike thinks nearly all black comedy's embarrassing...
May 29th 2009
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RE: you got it.
May 29th 2009
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Spike's always talked about how much he doesn't like TP's stuff
May 29th 2009
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Well, he's never been this explicit, as far as I can remember
May 29th 2009
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was mars blackmon a coon
May 29th 2009
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Touche
May 30th 2009
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^^^underrated reply^^^
May 30th 2009
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I don't think Mars was a coon IN THE MOVIE
May 31st 2009
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TP's movies aren't Coonish, they just aren't very good
May 29th 2009
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Nigga flicks
May 29th 2009
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      Do you even have a clue of what you're talking about?
May 29th 2009
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      Tyler Perry never had a show on UPN.
May 29th 2009
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           I think HOP started out on the WB and then went to TBS
May 29th 2009
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                No. Tyler Perry has never had a show on UPN. Ever.
May 29th 2009
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                     That's not true at all
May 29th 2009
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                          It wasn't a UPN *network* show. So, actually, it IS true.
May 29th 2009
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                          No one claimed it was a network show
May 29th 2009
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                               RE: No one claimed it was a network show
May 30th 2009
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                                    Fair enough
May 30th 2009
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                          Thank you.
Jun 03rd 2009
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                               You're an idiot.
Jun 04th 2009
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*runs to Spike, leans down, kisses him on the forehead* *wipes mouth*
May 29th 2009
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RE: *runs to Spike, leans down, kisses him on the forehead* *wipes mouth...
May 29th 2009
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and yet spike treated his women characters and women in general
May 29th 2009
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      I wrote a paper on Spike's misogyny back in the day.
May 30th 2009
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           his reason for that is valid though
Jun 08th 2009
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he right too. mad, but right.
May 31st 2009
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as much as i personally believe that art definitely affects life...
May 31st 2009
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Tyler Perry Movies arent good
Jun 02nd 2009
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a) Yes, they are b)That's not the point
Jun 02nd 2009
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Spike, if blacks aren't monolithic...
Jun 02nd 2009
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^^^^Basically
Jun 02nd 2009
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well...
Jun 02nd 2009
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It's almost like LA Reid complaining about Master P...
Jun 02nd 2009
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and you didn't hear LA Reid or Russel or Puffy hate on Master P
Jun 02nd 2009
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      LA vs. P and Spike vs. Tyler can't be directly compared
Jun 04th 2009
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           RE: LA vs. P and Spike vs. Tyler can't be directly compared
Jun 05th 2009
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^^^^LOCK AND ARCHIVE AFTER THIS
Jun 02nd 2009
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RE: Dude,
Jun 08th 2009
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Or maybe....
Jun 02nd 2009
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      Exactly...
Jun 02nd 2009
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maybe this would have been more effective coming from someone else.
Jun 02nd 2009
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Umm...no.
Jun 03rd 2009
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RE: Spike goes in on Tyler Perry
Jun 03rd 2009
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How does Spike think I feel when I see Jim Belushi in TV ads??
Jun 03rd 2009
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^^^Frank Calilongo
Jun 04th 2009
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RE: Spike goes in on Tyler Perry
Jun 04th 2009
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No, Baggy and O_E are always willfully contradictory when it comes to Pe...
Jun 04th 2009
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      but, you don't come onto OKP hating on HSM3 and date movie all day
Jun 04th 2009
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      because (a) we don't typically talk about HSM3 and Date Movie
Jun 04th 2009
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           right...and why don't you hate on those tremendously hateable flicks?
Jun 04th 2009
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                no, because we all acknowledge the films are crap
Jun 05th 2009
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                     you're lying...and why DEBATE films you haven't fucking seen?
Jun 05th 2009
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                          I'm not lying.
Jun 05th 2009
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                               his work? you mean EACH film? i don't like ALL of anyone's work
Jun 05th 2009
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                                    I thought M-Dogg & Viggo had perfect track records with you?
Jun 05th 2009
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                                         nope...i just defend them
Jun 05th 2009
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      RE: No, Baggy and O_E are always willfully contradictory when it comes t...
Jun 06th 2009
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           cite where ANYONE says huge profit = good film.
Jun 06th 2009
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Just because Spike is a self absorbed ass that doesn't mean that
Jun 05th 2009
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there's more to filmmaking than DIRECTING...he's producing better
Jun 05th 2009
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      RE: there's more to filmmaking than DIRECTING...he's producing better
Jun 05th 2009
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      RE: there's more to filmmaking than DIRECTING...he's producing better
Jun 07th 2009
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           He is producing the US release of 'Precious'
Jun 07th 2009
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                Why explain to these cats...
Jun 08th 2009
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RE: Agreed.
Jun 08th 2009
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1. "Amos N' Andy is a top 3 all-time sitcom and showed positive images"
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i'm tired of niggas shittin on amos n' andy just BECAUSE. no historical context. no appreciation for the talents of the fucking actors who took the racist radio version of that show and transformed it into a great fucking TV that millions of black looked forward to each week.

amos was self-employed, married and father to a beautiful little girl.

andy was a hard-working decent everyman.

calhoun had his own law firm.

ALL of the women were independent STRONG fucking characters.

the kingfish was not "stereotypically" black. he was an asshole who was always scheming for his next buck. he is, imo, the greatest sitcom character of all-time, just edging out costanza.

NOW, lightning? he was a fucking coon...no one can argue that. but, relatively speaking, was he anymore coonish than martin lawrence in "do the right thing"? yeah, maybe...but, no by much.

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2. "I agree."
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Fri May-29-09 12:05 PM by Orfeo_Negro

  

          

But that's Spike for you... Same dude who bragged about having never seen any of the blaxploitation flicks.

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4. "are you serious???? "
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> But that's Spike for you... Same dude who bragged about
>having never seen any of the blaxploitation flicks.

  

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8. "Yep... Spike hates all "low" Black culture."
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Even though he said he never saw Shaft, Superfly, Blacula, none of that... He just wasn't interested and thought it was ghetto trash.

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9. "Cat like Spike are quick to say we aren't monolithic"
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But want to dictate what groups are represented ... I'm sure Spike knows plenty of "coons" in real life. Now it's fucked up if that's all we see on the screen but to act like that part of the black community doesn't exist is just as offensive to me.
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10. "?"
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Coons by and far are the one group we don't EVER have to worry about being underrepresented.

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11. "But who's to say what's really coonin' ?"
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I'm sure there are uppity black folks that might think you and I are coons based on how we may talk or what we may listen to.
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18. "Have you seen the adverts?"
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If that ain't cooning, I don't know what is.

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48. "RE: Have you seen the adverts?"
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true

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57. "its not cooning..."
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its just not funny....most if it at least....mr brown is funny, even though the show as a whole isn't..

TP's movies and TV shows always have successful black people in leading roles. Spikes problem is that the stories are always pretty simple and black folks are eating it up.

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91. "Wait a minute"
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Can some of that stuff called Black culture, when it was written and financed by whites. The Only thing Black about the Black Exploitation films besides Black people are the black leather jackets.

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3. "but in 2009, Tyler Perry can do better than those commercials."
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Amos n Andy is one thing. Different generation, less opportunities. Those brothers did what they had to do. But Tyler Perry needs to slap himself for those coon ass commericials. They need to be one of the commericials for the Confederate States of America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YepkCCN6_ZY&feature=PlayList&p=75400B41D7D81B03&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=35

any why is this nigga always wearing a dress? fuck Tyler Perry

  

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6. "Right .... big difference between the TV & radio show"
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White dudes doing "black" voices are one thing

But the TV had some of the most positive black characters we'd see for 30 years. Besides Amos being a business owner and good family man, the show was full of black judges, lawyers, police, etc. The fact this show is banned from TV is only feeding the myth it's offensive (I do agree on Light'ning) Truth is Sanford & Son, The Jefferson and Good Times has just as much connin' as Amos & Andy.
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63. "*thumbs up*"
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81. "The radio show casts a long shadow homie...."
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5. "*whistles dixie in this post*"
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25. "cosign nm"
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7. "Spike mad"
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Folks got them a new negro and it ain't him

I can't stand Tyler Perry movies but this just comes off as jealousy.
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12. "i disagree...."
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spike made a valid point in his assessment of tyler perry flicks.
although i dont agree with everything spike says, i do agree on this
(imo spike's opinion = krs-one's opinion)

  

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14. "TP's movies suck"
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but it has little or nothing to do with coonin'
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15. "he's talking about the advertisement for the tbs shows"
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if you have seen the commericials, then u can understand where he's coming from...

black dude
dancin in tight clothes
cheesin' hard
its minstrel-esque......

but i guess it boils down to ppl having diff. defintions of coonin'

  

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16. "So we can't dance and smile at the same time now?"
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19. "So we're gonna pretend like there ISN'T a history there?"
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Ok.

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55. "Sure there is but we shouldn't be prisoners of it either"
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13. "Me being a fan of both filmmakers, I DID NOT see this coming!"
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Spike Lee is a headstrong & of course prolific filmmaker(which I truly admire him for), he should respect Tyler Perry for showcasing tight knit, hard working Black families especially in the millenium(that being House Of Payne, & Meet The Browns). Give the man his extra five stars.

<==Hawtastic.

  

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17. "His issue is w/the adverts for the new sitcoms."
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Not his movies.

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20. "I never said anything about The Madea Franchise"
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<==Hawtastic.

  

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23. "Spike's always talked about how much he doesn't like TP's stuff"
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Every interview I see of him he gives that answer.


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26. "Well, he's never been this explicit, as far as I can remember"
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Any interviews I've read always have Spike alluding to issues with Tyler, but always falling back because he didn't want to go at him in the press...
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27. "was mars blackmon a coon "
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....by spike's standards?


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i mean thats all it takes, right
or no?



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44. "Touche"
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45. "^^^underrated reply^^^"
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divided we fall

  

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47. "I don't think Mars was a coon IN THE MOVIE"
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but when Spike started doing the Mars character *outside* the movie, that was a little suspect.

Not saying it was "coonin" but it's not that different from TP doing Madea.

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28. "TP's movies aren't Coonish, they just aren't very good"
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Wooden acting
1 Dimensional characters
NO type of subtlety or nuance
The jokes are obvious and recylced



But I wouldn't call his movies coonish.

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29. "Nigga flicks"
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Nobody, not even Spike would begrudge another brother from his making-of-doe, but and however, I always wondered when and who this criticism would come from..

Gotta big up Spike for speaking freely, Tyler's films started out on some positive black folk/meaning-in-the-screenplay sh*t, but (YES)...the t.v. shows (picked up by upn and tbs, respectively) are rife with nigga-isms and country-bama-talk..

Is there an audience for this? Yes.
Do we all know folks exactly like these characters? Yes.

Do we need to encourage Tyler Perry, and the many cats that have locked on to this trend, to make more of the same?

No, not tat at all.

OUR media is already scraping bucket's bottom, musically, theatrically, and as well in the motion picture genre.

We need to be pushing ourselves more and mocking ourselves less.
We did that in the 90's son.

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30. "Do you even have a clue of what you're talking about?"
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>Gotta big up Spike for speaking freely, Tyler's films started
>out on some positive black folk/meaning-in-the-screenplay
>sh*t, but (YES)...the t.v. shows (picked up by upn and tbs,
>respectively) are rife with nigga-isms and
>country-bama-talk..

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31. "Tyler Perry never had a show on UPN."
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His shows have always been on TBS.
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32. "I think HOP started out on the WB and then went to TBS"
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or maybe he/I'm thinking of that show that had the dad from HOP and Anthony ANderson

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36. "No. Tyler Perry has never had a show on UPN. Ever."
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He appeared on the first season of Cuts, but beside that, the words "Tyler Perry" and "UPN" should not be used in a sentence...

The WB show you're probably thinking of was All About the Andersons...
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38. "That's not true at all"
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>He appeared on the first season of Cuts, but beside that, the
>words "Tyler Perry" and "UPN" should not be used in a
>sentence...
>
>The WB show you're probably thinking of was All About the
>Andersons...

Before House of Pain was picked up by TBS it was being run in the NYC/NJ area on UPN at 11 PM at night.

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39. "It wasn't a UPN *network* show. So, actually, it IS true."
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Just because it aired on UPN stations doesn't mean it was a UPN show.

So, to recap:

One on One? Aired on UPN stations. Was a UPN show.
Half and Half? Aired on UPN stations. Was a UPN show.
Tyler Perry's House of Payne? Aired on UPN stations. Was not a UPN show.
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40. "No one claimed it was a network show"
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>Tyler Perry's House of Payne? Aired on UPN stations. Was not
>a UPN show.

So Tyler Perry had a show that aired on UPN stations but "the words "Tyler Perry" and "UPN" should not be used in a sentence"?

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42. "RE: No one claimed it was a network show"
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"the t.v. shows (picked up by upn and tbs, respectively)"
- Nathaniel


When one says "picked up," it means that the network actually chose the show and placed it in a certain time slot. Which means that it's a network show.

When you hear that NBC picked up a show, that means NBC chose that show and also chose to put it in a certain time slot.

Yes, I'ma be a dick on this, because it needs to be clear. House of Payne was a SYNDICATED SHOW that aired on some UPN stations (which were known to air syndicated programming... such as Tyler Perry's House of Payne). It was bought in various U.S. markets to air on certain stations... some of which happened to have UPN programming on them. Doesn't make TPHOP a UPN show... or mean that it was "picked up by UPN."

That's different than saying that the show was "picked up" by the UPN network, WHICH BY THAT TIME WAS ALL BUT DEAD. I happen to know this because I worked on 2 UPN shows and watched as the network died out. How can a network that's shutting down "pick up" new shows? Let's stop acting like that wasn't what Nathaniel meant when he wrote that it was "picked up by upn..."

When the deal was announced, Tyler was lauded for taking a show that he created and was testing out *for the syndicated market* and parlaying that ratings success into a deal with TBS. It wasn't like the show started on the UPN network then TBS took it from there... so let's please stop saying that that was the case, which is what Nathaniel did. Yes, he did.


"The show premiered in syndication on June 21, 2006, and has been broadcast exclusively on TBS since June 6, 2007."
- Wikipedia entry on Tyler Perry's House of Payne
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43. "Fair enough"
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Fun is the new gritty

  

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67. "Thank you."
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There WAS and still IS Tyler Perry produced shows on UPN.
Niggas wanna be ALL manner of vocal and critical on-top, and at the end of the day...wrong as fuck.

(Laughs at you)

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70. "You're an idiot."
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1. UPN no longer exists.
2. Tyler Perry never, EVER, EVER produced shows for UPN. EVER.

Now, you can continue with this silliness or be wrong and continue beng clowned for it. Your choice.
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33. "*runs to Spike, leans down, kisses him on the forehead* *wipes mouth*"
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the nigga is about four years late with _exactly_ what I'd thought he'd say, but YES!

We were talking about Tyler Perry at work today, particularly the juxtaposition of his intended Black Baptist moralizing with his cross-dressing and the debauchery in his films (even to show a supposed "sinner's standpoint", they go FAR).

White dude on the job: "I saw him once (in behind the scenes footage from one of his films, apparently) wearing a 'Profanity Free Set' shirt on. What the fuck is that about? How is he gonna demand a profanity-free set and then go 'wait a minute before we start; I have to go put my bra on'?".

  

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35. "RE: *runs to Spike, leans down, kisses him on the forehead* *wipes mouth..."
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>What the fuck is that about?
>How is he gonna demand a profanity-free set and then go 'wait
>a minute before we start; I have to go put my bra on'?"

lol

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37. "and yet spike treated his women characters and women in general"
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LIKE SHIT for the first decade of his career. i wonder how those portrayals of black women affected the black community all those years.

now, do y'all wanna have a real debate about what these two filmmakers are bringing to the game or what? i mean, i'm game. lemme know. i'll be more than happy to TALK ABOUT IT. i love spike, too, but he need to go 'head with that Godfather of black film steez he been tryna plant in niggas heads for 20 years. it ain't happening.

i mean, shit, he made "she hate me." his shit stanks with the best of 'em.

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41. "I wrote a paper on Spike's misogyny back in the day."
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He really has written many of his film as if women are objects and nothing more.

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95. "his reason for that is valid though"
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he can't write women becasue he isn't a woman (or a very good writer)

he said for the pow-wow scene in jungle fever he just gave them talking points and turned the camera on.

he couldn't have written that scene if he tried.

he is aware of his limitations as a writer.

but back to the point. spike is mad that somebody doing something like tp is at the level of a gatekeeper.

spike is always battling the gatekeepers

this is like old school hip-hop versus the myspace/ringtone rappers

spike depends on the old studio system, finding funding, making the big commercial movie and begging for pennies to finance his dream, provocative projects.

while tp said fuck it, banked the money from his plays and BUILT HIS OWN STUDIO. if you can't beat them become them.

hell i woudl be mad if i was spike. spike has had to justify himself for every budget dollar thrown his way. tp can make medea movies from here to kindom come and print money.

tp could make all the thought provoking, black introspective movies he wants with his money, but he chooses to cast wide net (too wide imho).

oh well, i doubt tp has an opinion about this anyway.

  

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46. "he right too. mad, but right."
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49. "as much as i personally believe that art definitely affects life..."
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i long for the day when people just accept that people are 'both sides of the coin'. that you can't have the coon w/out the Tom. and vice versa.

everyday, back in real life, we 'c**n it up to get things and play hard and militant behind closed doors. this is alright because being black in america mos definitely can be a difficult experience. and yes, this isn't really displayed on tv, but at the same time if you had 'average' characters on TV people wouldn't watch. there has to be some form of hyperbole for the comedy to work.

i'm reading the replies and in my mind cringing because of the repressed i don't know....rage we have at the images we see. but we know what time it is, we know the deal. it's a damn tv show. go watch G. Garvin.

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50. "Tyler Perry Movies arent good"
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the end

  

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51. "a) Yes, they are b)That's not the point"
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He's not causing the black apocalypse like bougie negros
would have you believe. His films typically show a diversity
of black people -- some serious, smart, responsible. Some
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52. "Spike, if blacks aren't monolithic..."
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than what's your beef? TP's stuff fits a certain demographic. Spikes does as well. No blood, no foul...next

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53. "^^^^Basically"
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>than what's your beef? TP's stuff fits a certain
>demographic. Spikes does as well. No blood, no foul...next

I know of black businessmen.

I know of black physicians.

I know of black idiots and morons.

All 3 are in Perry's films.

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54. "well..."
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well kinda

1st,

Spike sh*ts on just about everbody. Its Spike. nobody takes him seriously when he does that. Its just Spike talking sh*t. I don't know when Spike chose the angry black man stance in his interviews sometimes . Probably he still salty about DRiving Miss Daisy winning best picture. More than likely it was his experience with Warner Brother and the Malcolm X movie. and the fact he never got the backing for making the Jackie Robinson movie and Joe Louis movie

Spike is frustrated because he is an established and accomplished director who still struggles to get his films made and well-received. But its kinda obvious why that is

Spike makes movies or is interested in making movies that:

a) people don't want to see, unless they are diehard fans of Spike (like myself)

b)his films don't make money

But this business is driven by the audience. An artist's dream is to to be able to make the kind of art he wants to make and be appreciated and compensated for it. Spike has really never received the latter part. He aint broke, but he aint sitting on Spielberg money or even Scorsese money.

Tyler in the industry is what Spike was to the industry back in the 80's. Only Tyler revolutionized the game.

Tyler Perry has and then some. While Spike was a trailblazer, he still has/had to go the round about way with the system to get his films made. And his biggest grossing film (Inside Man) was one he totally went with the system to do.

While Tyler is self-made. Tyler is doing what Spike has been complaining (or begging for) for years.

Usually anger/frustration arises when you want something done but can't get it done yourself.

now ask yourself the question? Is Tyler angry? lol

why is that?

Tyler has basically stole Spike's thunder. So there is a little jealousy. Tyler is the young dude who the old-head (Spike) used to be, but only a better version.

now has Tyler made a Do The Right Thing or Malcolm X or 4 Little Girls or When the Levees Broke?

no, and he probably never will.

But Tyler has done, what Spike hasn't:

make the kind of films he wants, and simultaneously the audience wants to see, and profits from it. he doesn't have to beg, complain or vent.

maybe Spike could holla at Tyler for the help he has been crying about for years.

but we all know Spike's ego is too big for him to do that.

<--- we've got bush!

  

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56. "It's almost like LA Reid complaining about Master P..."
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Reid made his money playing within the system, P made his money playing outside of the system. Two different types of markets with completely different results with the younger pup eventually making more loot than the old dog.

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60. "and you didn't hear LA Reid or Russel or Puffy hate on Master P"
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why?

they were/are making their own moves.

thats the key

Spike aint making no moves

Tyler is.

Deep down, Spike actually respects what Tyler is doing, he just hates himself for not doing it. So he projects that venom onto Tyler's so-called "minstrel act" movie and tv projects.

Spike is making money, but he aint making no moves. Spike aint made no real moves in the movie industry for almost 2 decades.

but he was the only one, nobody was around to check him because Spike was the pioneer and the only one out there, up to that point.

now Tyler is around and actually *doing* what Spike talks/wishfully thinks about, so he even makes Spike more obsolete than he already is.

you can't complain about "not having" and cry about "we need", when you got a n*gga in Tyler thats having and not needing a damn thing.


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71. "LA vs. P and Spike vs. Tyler can't be directly compared"
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because besides the business factor, there's also issues of quality and effort.

Spike's films are all flawed in their own ways, but you can tell that the man knows cinema and knows the basics of making a decent picture. He understands film language and film history.

Everything Tyler Perry has done up to this point says the opposite about him.

Tyler Perry only makes Spike Lee obsolete in a short-term money-over-longevity view on filmmaking. Tyler Perry will never command the respect that Spike does, because Tyler Perry will (as far as the talent he's displayed to this point indicates) never, ever be able ot make a "Do the Right Thing", a "School Daze", or a "Malcolm X". he's simply not capable. These are films with critical acclaim and legacies, that will last for generations and will be shown in film schools and festivals as examples of good cinema. No self-respecting film teacher is going to screen a Tyler Perry film as an example for her students to follow.

Yes, Spike's in a rut now; he's past his prime. That makes him irrelevant to current pop culture, but not to cinema history. And Spike being out of his prime and Tyler Perry making money doesn't make Tyler Perry a better filmmaker because those cardboard pictures of his are not going to last.

  

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79. "RE: LA vs. P and Spike vs. Tyler can't be directly compared"
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>because besides the business factor, there's also issues of
>quality and effort.
>
>Spike's films are all flawed in their own ways, but you can
>tell that the man knows cinema and knows the basics of making
>a decent picture. He understands film language and film
>history.
>
>Everything Tyler Perry has done up to this point says the
>opposite about him.
>

which is an even bigger indictment on Spike. if the man knows cineman, knows the intricacies of filmmaking, etc. then how can an untrained novice like Tyler Perry be a better stortytelling and has made better quality of movies than Spike the last 10+ years or so?

i'm a Spike fan. a diehard. i've seen every movie of his. i'm not much of a Tyler Perry fan.

but the last few Tyler Perry movies have kept entertained and held my interest more than Spike's last several.

inside man, 25th hour, she hate me were boring, bland, and/or sucked. miracle at st. ana was mediocre. the kobe thing he just did sucked. the last semi-good movie of Spike's was "he got game", and the last good one was "get on the bus".

Spike is tapped out creatively. And he wasn't that much of a storyteller to begin with. Releasing a movie year after year, you run out of things to say and start repeating yourself.

i can't say the same thing about Tyler's work.

>Tyler Perry only makes Spike Lee obsolete in a short-term
>money-over-longevity view on filmmaking.

Tyler Perry has been around for a while now. He isn't going anywhere. In fact, Tyler has been trying to let go of the Madea character and put that to bed. But the demand, along with his work in general, is so high for it, he can't.

can't say the same thing for Spike. Spike can barely get funding for films.

>Tyler Perry will
>never command the respect that Spike does, because Tyler Perry
>will (as far as the talent he's displayed to this point
>indicates) never, ever be able ot make a "Do the Right Thing",
>a "School Daze", or a "Malcolm X". he's simply not capable.

fam thats almost 2 decades ago. its 2009. all that respect, and Spike can barely get a film made and makes movies nobody wants to see.

respect?

mofos will see a movie if they know Tyler Perry is directing. thats respect.

Spike only gets props nowadays if he is sitting courting at Knicks games and Lakers games, not his movies.

>These are films with critical acclaim and legacies, that will
>last for generations and will be shown in film schools and
>festivals as examples of good cinema.

"malcolm x" and "do the right thing", yes.

"school daze"..no...lol (and i love "school daze").

>No self-respecting film
>teacher is going to screen a Tyler Perry film as an example
>for her students to follow.

thats great. Spike makes movies for academia.

check this out though:

very few film goers are going to see a Spike Lee joint nowadays.



>
>Yes, Spike's in a rut now; he's past his prime. That makes him
>irrelevant to current pop culture, but not to cinema history.

Spike's legacy is not in doubt.

His irrelevance is certain though.

And he knows it. He has ran out of things to say as a director/artist, so now all he can do now is say sh*t about other movie directors who are actually doing something with their art.

>And Spike being out of his prime and Tyler Perry making money
>doesn't make Tyler Perry a better filmmaker because those
>cardboard pictures of his are not going to last.

Tyler is a better filmmaker right now because he makes better films than Spike Lee.

And he has this entire decade.

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58. "^^^^LOCK AND ARCHIVE AFTER THIS"
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WELL DONE, YOUNG MAN

WELL DONE

>well kinda
>
>1st,
>
>Spike sh*ts on just about everbody. Its Spike. nobody takes
>him seriously when he does that. Its just Spike talking sh*t.
>I don't know when Spike chose the angry black man stance in
>his interviews sometimes . Probably he still salty about
>DRiving Miss Daisy winning best picture. More than likely it
>was his experience with Warner Brother and the Malcolm X
>movie. and the fact he never got the backing for making the
>Jackie Robinson movie and Joe Louis movie
>
>Spike is frustrated because he is an established and
>accomplished director who still struggles to get his films
>made and well-received. But its kinda obvious why that is
>
>Spike makes movies or is interested in making movies that:
>
>a) people don't want to see, unless they are diehard fans of
>Spike (like myself)
>
>b)his films don't make money
>
>But this business is driven by the audience. An artist's dream
>is to to be able to make the kind of art he wants to make and
>be appreciated and compensated for it. Spike has really never
>received the latter part. He aint broke, but he aint sitting
>on Spielberg money or even Scorsese money.
>
>Tyler in the industry is what Spike was to the industry back
>in the 80's. Only Tyler revolutionized the game.
>
>Tyler Perry has and then some. While Spike was a trailblazer,
>he still has/had to go the round about way with the system to
>get his films made. And his biggest grossing film (Inside Man)
>was one he totally went with the system to do.
>
>While Tyler is self-made. Tyler is doing what Spike has been
>complaining (or begging for) for years.
>
>Usually anger/frustration arises when you want something done
>but can't get it done yourself.
>
>now ask yourself the question? Is Tyler angry? lol
>
>why is that?
>
>Tyler has basically stole Spike's thunder. So there is a
>little jealousy. Tyler is the young dude who the old-head
>(Spike) used to be, but only a better version.
>
>now has Tyler made a Do The Right Thing or Malcolm X or 4
>Little Girls or When the Levees Broke?
>
>no, and he probably never will.
>
>But Tyler has done, what Spike hasn't:
>
>make the kind of films he wants, and simultaneously the
>audience wants to see, and profits from it. he doesn't have to
>beg, complain or vent.
>
>maybe Spike could holla at Tyler for the help he has been
>crying about for years.
>
>but we all know Spike's ego is too big for him to do that.


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94. "RE: Dude,"
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59. "Or maybe...."
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Spike just doesn't like him.

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61. "Exactly..."
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>Spike just doesn't like him.

But for the reasons Jambone outlined.







































































Mad?

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62. "maybe this would have been more effective coming from someone else."
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on some, can't hear the message because of the messenger type steez.

the thing is, tyler perry's work IS highly problematic in that it endorses a lot of the garbage in the black community in a way that makes folks think it's really ok. on the other hand, spike's work has problems to, but at least it challenges us to think, rather than to languish in a state of complacency and contentment with ways of being that do not benefit, nor advance the community in any significant way.

yeah, tyler's making bank, opening studios and running (some) things. yipee for him. when he starts making kids think outside the box of their block and elders think beyond traditional boundaries, then maybe i'll be able to stomach his work (he's gonna have to take that dress/wig off first though).

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64. "Umm...no. "
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>on some, can't hear the message because of the messenger type
>steez.
>
>the thing is, tyler perry's work IS highly problematic in that
>it endorses a lot of the garbage in the black community in a
>way that makes folks think it's really ok.

Odd, because when every black person I know watches
Tyler Perry, we are fully aware that we are watching
a silly caricature of a real family, and not an actual
family. Anyone who can't distinguish the two is an idiot.
Even little kids get it.

Its like saying the Adams Family is bad because it endorses
belief in zombies and Frankenstein and hands running around.
Jesus Christ.

And seriously how do you KNOW that Perry's films "Makes folks
think" garbage is okay? Perhaps its just a light, silly comedy
that people tune in to. You can't trace a single problem
created or perpetuated by Tyler Perry.

I swear you guys are pathetic with your apocalyptic
bullshit. Perry's overall impact is boatloads more
good than bad.

>on the other hand,
>spike's work has problems to, but at least it challenges us to
>think, rather than to languish in a state of complacency and
>contentment with ways of being that do not benefit, nor
>advance the community in any significant way.

As an educated, forward thinking black man, I'm inspired
by TylervPerry far more than I am Spike Lee, and I'm a
huge Spike Lee fan.

And also -- its odd how no one ever mentions Tyler
Perry films/projects with good messages. Weird.

>yeah, tyler's making bank, opening studios and running (some)
>things. yipee for him. when he starts making kids think
>outside the box of their block and elders think beyond
>traditional boundaries, then maybe i'll be able to stomach his
>work (he's gonna have to take that dress/wig off first
>though).

How about all the other films of his which address very
timely, important issues of family, marriage, redemption,
and healing? No comment about those.

Every one of those was more thoughtful or well-made than..
...say...'She Hate Me'.


  

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65. "RE: Spike goes in on Tyler Perry"
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Aside from the racial sterotype issue, there are some other age-old conflicts at work here.

North vs. South - (Not in the Civil War sense) I looked up that Perry is from NO and we know where Spike is from. We all know about this cultural gap (trancends race as well).

Spike Lee's confrontational and experimental work vs. broad humor and broad, accessible messages (that was not a qualitative judgement, just an observation). This is another timeless conflict in all types of entertainment.

and finally...Nice guy vs. asshole?

It seems to me to be a little more than just Spike being mad at certain portrayals.


  

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66. "How does Spike think I feel when I see Jim Belushi in TV ads??"
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69. "^^^Frank Calilongo"
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68. "RE: Spike goes in on Tyler Perry"
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i think this is the first time i have read anything positive about tyler perry on okp! lol
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72. "No, Baggy and O_E are always willfully contradictory when it comes to Pe..."
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I know Bags likes perry only because he's a Black man making money, and acknowledges the movies are shit. O_E is deluded into thinking the pictures are some good.

If you're ot judge Tyler Perry solely by the amount of profits he's making, then he'd be great. But that's not how I view filmmakers, because I'd have to apply that same standard to "Date Movie", "Superhero Movie", "stomp the Yard", "High School Musical 3", and every other nutty film that goes #1 at the box office.

If we went ot the lesson and suggested that Timbaland was a better producer than Dilla because Timbo's productions have sold better and gained more radio play, people would lose their goddamn minds. But because cinema is still fairly new playing ground for niggas behind the camera, people get caught up in Tyler Perry's financial success and either hand him passes for or ignore the schlocky quality of his output.

  

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73. "but, you don't come onto OKP hating on HSM3 and date movie all day"
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>I know Bags likes perry only because he's a Black man making
>money, and acknowledges the movies are shit. O_E is deluded
>into thinking the pictures are some good.
>
>If you're ot judge Tyler Perry solely by the amount of profits
>he's making, then he'd be great. But that's not how I view
>filmmakers, because I'd have to apply that same standard to
>"Date Movie", "Superhero Movie", "stomp the Yard", "High
>School Musical 3", and every other nutty film that goes #1 at
>the box office.
>
>If we went ot the lesson and suggested that Timbaland was a
>better producer than Dilla because Timbo's productions have
>sold better and gained more radio play, people would lose
>their goddamn minds. But because cinema is still fairly new
>playing ground for niggas behind the camera, people get caught
>up in Tyler Perry's financial success and either hand him
>passes for or ignore the schlocky quality of his output.

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74. "because (a) we don't typically talk about HSM3 and Date Movie"
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(b) no one tries to defend or stand up for HSM3 or Date Movie.

(c) I'm not called an Oreo or a self-hating racist for not supporting HSM3 or Date Movie.

  

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75. "right...and why don't you hate on those tremendously hateable flicks?"
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it rhymes with "bubble lanyard"

so, we can deduce...

you hate BASED on how many choose to defend a film being hated on?

you hate BASED on racial politics?

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76. "no, because we all acknowledge the films are crap"
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and there's no need to discuss it. There's no debate. Therefore, we can quietly ignore them because they don't concern them.

I can say "Date Movie" is crap and I'm not going to see it," and people will go "co-sign." I say "The Family That Preys is crap and I'm not going to see it," and I'm told that I hate black people. The HATE isn't proportional to how other people react; the amount of DISCUSSION is.

  

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77. "you're lying...and why DEBATE films you haven't fucking seen?"
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>and there's no need to discuss it. There's no debate.
>Therefore, we can quietly ignore them because they don't
>concern them.
>
>I can say "Date Movie" is crap and I'm not going to see it,"
>and people will go "co-sign." I say "The Family That Preys is
>crap and I'm not going to see it," and I'm told that I hate
>black people. The HATE isn't proportional to how other people
>react; the amount of DISCUSSION is.


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78. "I'm not lying."
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I thankfully haven't seen any of the HSM films, so I have nothing to debate. I've seen Tyler Perry's work, however.

  

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80. "his work? you mean EACH film? i don't like ALL of anyone's work"
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you can rationalize this however you want. your hate on tyler is COMPLETELY about race. that's all it is. racial politics compel you to shit on the MAN, not his work. if you see his work as a negative for the great af-am community, i call bullshit, because i KNOW you're spent your money on an artist in film or in music who is far far more harmful in that regard. like tyler gonna inspire young niggas to put on a fuckin dress. right. or maybe he'll inspire them to be lawyers who wear clothes that fit properly. who knows.

kevin smith is arguably a WORSE filmmaker and i ain't never seen you hating on that guy.

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84. "I thought M-Dogg & Viggo had perfect track records with you?"
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No?

  

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85. "nope...i just defend them"
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87. "RE: No, Baggy and O_E are always willfully contradictory when it comes t..."
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I see this defense / argument being made frequently on message boards ie huge profit means a film / song etc is good. I really don't like this stance. I can say that I'm Glad TP makes money but I'm not impressed with his material. He really ought to make a long running TV soap opera he'd be really good at that. Soap operas are generally pretty trashy but can be sometimes be entertaining with occasional flashes of real insight into human behaviour / condition. I think this sums up the standard that TP has shown thus far in his films.


>
>If you're ot judge Tyler Perry solely by the amount of profits
>he's making, then he'd be great. But that's not how I view
>filmmakers, because I'd have to apply that same standard to
>"Date Movie", "Superhero Movie", "stomp the Yard", "High
>School Musical 3", and every other nutty film that goes #1 at
>the box office.
>
>If we went ot the lesson and suggested that Timbaland was a
>better producer than Dilla because Timbo's productions have
>sold better and gained more radio play, people would lose
>their goddamn minds. But because cinema is still fairly new
>playing ground for niggas behind the camera, people get caught
>up in Tyler Perry's financial success and either hand him
>passes for or ignore the schlocky quality of his output.


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88. "cite where ANYONE says huge profit = good film. "
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>I see this defense / argument being made frequently on
>message boards ie huge profit means a film / song etc is good.
> I really don't like this stance. I can say that I'm Glad TP
>makes money but I'm not impressed with his material. He
>really ought to make a long running TV soap opera he'd be
>really good at that. Soap operas are generally pretty trashy
>but can be sometimes be entertaining with occasional flashes
>of real insight into human behaviour / condition. I think
>this sums up the standard that TP has shown thus far in his
>films.
>
>
>>
>>If you're ot judge Tyler Perry solely by the amount of
>profits
>>he's making, then he'd be great. But that's not how I view
>>filmmakers, because I'd have to apply that same standard to
>>"Date Movie", "Superhero Movie", "stomp the Yard", "High
>>School Musical 3", and every other nutty film that goes #1
>at
>>the box office.
>>
>>If we went ot the lesson and suggested that Timbaland was a
>>better producer than Dilla because Timbo's productions have
>>sold better and gained more radio play, people would lose
>>their goddamn minds. But because cinema is still fairly new
>>playing ground for niggas behind the camera, people get
>caught
>>up in Tyler Perry's financial success and either hand him
>>passes for or ignore the schlocky quality of his output.
>
>
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82. "Just because Spike is a self absorbed ass that doesn't mean that"
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Tyler Perry isn't a detriment to Black Cinema. I mean Spike has done his own work to fuck up Black Cinema too...the difference is that he advanced it with a few of his films.

All TP has done is make money...and frankly I'm sick of the bullshit statement that we need to give black men props just for making money. Fuck that. Tyler Perry makes his films and there's a specific audience for them, but they're bad films flat out.

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83. "there's more to filmmaking than DIRECTING...he's producing better"
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filmmakers than himself and that's what you hankyhead niggas don't understand, because you're too busy using your claws tryna pull the nigga back in the barrel.

money matters. face it. he can FINANCE people who have the talent and vision to create the black version of whatever white folks shit y'all niggas love so much.

he ain't a detriment to shit. like martin and will weren't cooning in bad boys.

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Lardlad95
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86. "RE: there's more to filmmaking than DIRECTING...he's producing better"
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>filmmakers than himself and that's what you hankyhead niggas
>don't understand, because you're too busy using your claws
>tryna pull the nigga back in the barrel.

if he's doing that, then bully for him. Good shit. Actually could u mention some of these filmmakers, I'm interested in seeing their work.

>money matters. face it. he can FINANCE people who have the
>talent and vision to create the black version of whatever
>white folks shit y'all niggas love so much.

...so wanting to see more good black art is akin to wanting to see black versions of white shit?

That doesn't make sense. If wanted to see black versions of white stuff I'd watch BET reality shows.

I really don't understand what white people have to do with this.

>he ain't a detriment to shit. like martin and will weren't
>cooning in bad boys.

never said they weren't.

>everything can't be eve's bayou and daughters of the dust.

there's a dearth of good black cinema...and honestly i wouldn't have a problem with a lot of what we see if there were more spaces for talented black directors, actors, screen writers, etc.

Iff tyler perry is making those spaces, once again, good for him and he needs to keep making those spaces. Doesn't mean his own shit ain't wack.

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89. "RE: there's more to filmmaking than DIRECTING...he's producing better"
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props to him if this is the case. Please let me know the names of the quality film makers he is financing. No sarcasm here... I would like to check out their work.


>filmmakers than himself and that's what you hankyhead niggas
>don't understand, because you're too busy using your claws
>tryna pull the nigga back in the barrel.
>
>money matters. face it. he can FINANCE people who have the
>talent and vision to create the black version of whatever
>white folks shit y'all niggas love so much.
>
>he ain't a detriment to shit. like martin and will weren't
>cooning in bad boys.
>
>everything can't be eve's bayou and daughters of the dust.


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90. "He is producing the US release of 'Precious' "
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92. "Why explain to these cats..."
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people on here seem to hate without doing any research at all...

Wow, my login still works 🤦🏾‍♂️

  

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93. "RE: Agreed."
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I like the movies, for the positive Black man message and all, but the plays and the tv shows? Chitlin' Circuit, Bamboozled, Minstrel Show type ish, all the way....

>>>http://globalgrind.com/source/newsone.blackplanet.com/679631/spike-lee-rips-tyler-perry/
>
>Spike Lee Compares Tyler Perry To Amos and Andy
>By Casey Gane-McCalla, Assistant Editor May 28, 2009 10:11 am
>
>Spike Lee had an interview with Ed Gordon on Our World with
>Black Enterprise scheduled to air this weekend. In the
>interview he complained about “coonery and buffoonery” and
>both of Tyler Perry’s shows “Meet the Browns” and “House of
>Payne,” comparing them to characters from minstrel shows.
>
>From EurWeB
>
>“We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton
>, people came out to see it. But when
>he did ‘Rosewood,’ nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on
>us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with
>your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and
>has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is
>going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that
>John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee . As
>African-Americans, we’re not one monolithic group, so there is
>room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the
>imaging is troubling and it harkens back to ‘Amos n’ Andy.’”
>
>“Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic
>endeavors, but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today
>that is coonery and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of
>money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a
>huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see
>these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s “Meet the
>Browns” and “House of Payne”), and I am scratching my head. We
>got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland
>and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?

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