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"Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) *SPOILERS*"


  

          

So yeah this was excellent. Opening with the OG Django theme was awesome. Let's get this straight though Christoph Waltz does own the movie, but that does not diminish the other performances and characters. This is Django's story.

For those who read the script know that alot has been taken out or changed. I for one am happy that the rape is gone and also that whole sequence with the Scotty character and Calvin chasing a naked Broomhilida around a hotel are gone.

At three hours (I'm sorry 2 hours and 20 minutes) it moves and flies by. Black people beware, there's gonna be moments where white people are gonna be laughing and I was cringing. And they'll be moments were I was laughing and white people weren't (I was howling when Django whips the shit out of slavehand before shooting him down).

As for the soundtrack, it's awesome. Having one of the shootouts during a James Brown/Tupac mashup was brilliant. Also, the use of Anthony Hamilton and John Legend was perfect in this film and used at the right moments. So was Johnny Cash. I would say though they used the Rick Ross song in a bad spot and to me it could've been used better. Also, there's a new song by The RZA that's played over the credits that makes me wonder why it isn't on the soundtrack.

All in all, this film had me grinning more than it did cringing. And I loved the shit out this movie. If you love spaghetti Westerns, you're gonna love this. I still this QT could've calmed down on the nigger usage but it's EXTREMELY calmed down from what was in the script and for that my I'm happy.

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I think it's his worst film...
Dec 02nd 2012
1
yeah, he deaded the whole "undercover" thing w/ this movie
Dec 02nd 2012
3
You hit the nail on the head
Dec 07th 2012
5
Word to Harriet Tubman...
Dec 07th 2012
34
What did he have to say about the holocaust last time around?
Dec 07th 2012
35
      I think the point he's making is that he left it alone altogether
Dec 08th 2012
45
Yeah, I've heard it was trite, amateurish and silly
Dec 07th 2012
7
RE: I think it's his worst film...
Dec 11th 2012
86
      Yeah, you're right. He did say that.
Dec 11th 2012
87
           And his movie was an accurate representation?
Dec 12th 2012
110
                You are right....tarantino needs to sit down somewhere...
Dec 19th 2012
171
                     RE: You are right....tarantino needs to sit down somewhere...
Dec 19th 2012
172
                          RE: You are right....tarantino needs to sit down somewhere...
Dec 28th 2012
283
BTW the film is 2 hours and 45 minutes
Dec 02nd 2012
2
Oooh, y'all gon' be maaaaaadd....
Dec 07th 2012
4
: - ) So basically, this movie was dogshit.
Dec 07th 2012
6
      lol, and you DIDN'T have your post(s) already written, too? n/m
Dec 07th 2012
10
      Yeah, you mad. Already.
Dec 07th 2012
12
           Pot, meet kettle
Dec 07th 2012
15
                Aaand O_E done drawn low self-esteem blood already
Dec 07th 2012
18
                "Think for yourselfs... by thinking like me."
Dec 07th 2012
19
                     You're both right
Dec 07th 2012
26
                But...but...Dark Knight Rises kinda sucked
Dec 07th 2012
29
      (ZooTown responds)
Dec 07th 2012
17
      This is more entertaining than the movie, I'd bet.
Dec 12th 2012
108
Reviews I'm hearing is that his act has finally worn thin.
Dec 07th 2012
8
isn't that what you said with Iron Fists?
Dec 07th 2012
9
Nope. I said it was "very good." Which it was.
Dec 07th 2012
16
LOL
Dec 07th 2012
11
Oh look, O_E's here to bam up the post
Dec 07th 2012
13
Can you post some of these reviews?
Dec 07th 2012
14
Post #1 plus 4 conversations
Dec 07th 2012
20
      RE: Post #1 plus 4 conversations
Dec 07th 2012
39
100% on Rotten Tomatoes, bro!
Dec 12th 2012
109
Guys, look at the OP for an example:
Dec 07th 2012
21
RE: Guys, look at the OP for an example:
Dec 07th 2012
32
Riiight, b/c Tarantino isn't known for his soundtracks
Dec 20th 2012
180
Ha ha, troll niggas already mad... that's awesome
Dec 07th 2012
22
Oh, I'm hoping that this makes 300 milly, at least.
Dec 07th 2012
23
      You're also always mad...
Dec 07th 2012
24
           Hmm. Mods aren't supposed to need anger management
Dec 07th 2012
25
This post is already boring and kinda sad.
Dec 07th 2012
27
I'll lay off and stop posting on DU for a while.
Dec 07th 2012
28
seriously... shit is mad annoying at this point, OE 20 posts in here
Dec 07th 2012
30
Yep. It's gonna be another DRR thread.
Dec 07th 2012
31
I will apologize to those who want to discuss the film in this post
Dec 07th 2012
33
theres a screening here
Dec 07th 2012
36
you are fuckin pathetic...you clearly WANTED to like it
Dec 10th 2012
71
      Nigga Zootwn said: "Story faults aside, I enjoyed the shit outta this."
Dec 10th 2012
75
      Nigga, motherfuck you and your review of my review.
Dec 10th 2012
76
           Madness aside, I enjoyed the shit outta your virulent reply.
Dec 11th 2012
77
Agreed. I came in here to see some initial reactions...
Dec 07th 2012
37
My opinion is embargoed, but I will say re: the laughing...
Dec 07th 2012
38
question about white people laughing @ the "nigger" dialogue
Dec 07th 2012
40
For me, the movie was really confused as to what it wanted to say
Dec 08th 2012
41
RE: For me, the movie was really confused as to what it wanted to say
Dec 08th 2012
42
Haven't seen this film (and I most likely won't, legally)
Dec 10th 2012
70
I think the both of you are selling Christoph Waltz quite short
Dec 08th 2012
43
      He's very good but...
Dec 08th 2012
44
Sounds like The Chappelle Show syndrome
Dec 08th 2012
46
this kind of reminded me of something
Dec 13th 2012
117
      the french kid..the mole
Dec 13th 2012
123
           yep... you see it
Dec 13th 2012
149
a masterpiece, the most virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south
Dec 09th 2012
47
Uma Thurman Kill Bill eyebrow raise
Dec 09th 2012
48
Well you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore
Dec 09th 2012
49
I hope the people who disagree w/ you are as eloquent...
Dec 09th 2012
50
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dec 27th 2012
258
RE: a masterpiece, the most virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south
Dec 10th 2012
51
no, respectfully speaking, you're very wrong *spoilers, obviously*
Dec 10th 2012
52
Longo/Zootown: Let me know when I can make fun of shit like:
Dec 10th 2012
53
This flick should make for some A+ trolling. Don't fuck it up
Dec 10th 2012
54
      Agreed. I'm being patient.
Dec 10th 2012
55
      Stop replying then. Make the people miss you
Dec 10th 2012
57
           Appreciate it. Stalkers like you make it worth it, though.
Dec 10th 2012
58
                Nobody likes an angry troll
Dec 10th 2012
61
                     I prefer happy stalkers. Stay focused. I need you.
Dec 10th 2012
64
      Great film
Dec 10th 2012
56
           Was it a virulent f*** you to the Confederate South?
Dec 10th 2012
63
And I wasn't aware the Confederate South required a "f**k you*
Dec 10th 2012
59
See post 57
Dec 10th 2012
62
Posts 58 and 64. Stay focused.
Dec 10th 2012
65
      You're going to be better off pulling a 180 and loving it...
Dec 10th 2012
67
           Posts 58 and 64. I need you, dogg.
Dec 10th 2012
68
                Im just glad I mean so much to you
Dec 11th 2012
78
                     *daps*
Dec 11th 2012
79
                          Daps back and thanks you for the quick response
Dec 11th 2012
80
Can you please explain how he misused virulent?
Dec 10th 2012
69
This "virulent" discussion is a metaphor for QTs career
Dec 10th 2012
73
      wrong
Dec 28th 2012
271
it can still take a few drops of piss upon its ashened carcass tho
Dec 13th 2012
118
      A lot of southern black folks thought it was excessive
Dec 13th 2012
121
           I understand, but LOL...
Dec 13th 2012
122
                The American South is the most clowned region in, like, the world.
Dec 13th 2012
124
                     I can rock with that
Dec 13th 2012
150
I just wasn't particularly entertained
Dec 10th 2012
66
i get it now, O_E...lmao...funny stuff, bro.
Dec 10th 2012
72
O_E is a Macguffin for Basaglia (c) Pass the Popcorn
Dec 10th 2012
74
lol, the agenda trolls are swarming = QT won already
Dec 11th 2012
81
Your post was a virulent macguffin for the zombie apocalypse
Dec 11th 2012
84
      that nigga don't know nothing about universal symmetry, dogg
Dec 11th 2012
85
      good, keep multiplying your L
Dec 12th 2012
90
           dude, been buying tickets for other films to see QT movies for YEARS
Dec 12th 2012
91
                Uhh I been doing that since like '95.
Dec 12th 2012
92
                i'll see whatever's most ignant at magic in largo
Dec 12th 2012
93
                he should probably buy a dictionary instead
Dec 13th 2012
115
                     Nah, I'd rather just virulently google thesaurus.com like you
Dec 13th 2012
120
*****SLOW CLAP******
Dec 13th 2012
119
well damn, i haven't even seen the movie but *starting slow clap*
Dec 25th 2012
209
You nailed what I loved about the film.
Dec 27th 2012
254
i don't get this either
Dec 29th 2012
290
      ^^^ this post needs more attention ^^^
Jan 06th 2013
379
welp
Dec 28th 2012
269
RE: a masterpiece, the most virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south
Jan 02nd 2013
321
      You really didn't read what he wrote.
Jan 02nd 2013
322
           RE: You really didn't read what he wrote.
Jan 02nd 2013
324
So Tarantino thinks the Confederate South didn't get punished bad enough
Dec 10th 2012
60
maybe it's a 'fuck you' to the South right now?
Dec 11th 2012
82
      So does he say f*** you to the north in his next film?
Dec 11th 2012
83
           hey, that sounds fun.
Dec 11th 2012
88
           Yeah, it'll be a Spaghetti eastern.
Dec 11th 2012
89
           easy there baby steps dude
Dec 28th 2012
270
Drudge report linked to the Hollywood Reporter review
Dec 12th 2012
94
RE: Drudge report linked to the Hollywood Reporter review
Dec 12th 2012
95
      Yeah, QT is a bad man
Dec 12th 2012
96
      Now, if a sentence in this thread ever deserved to get clowned...
Dec 12th 2012
97
      Nah, it was just a Macguffin. Not central to the post.
Dec 12th 2012
99
           lol. But you keep on bringing up that food line
Dec 12th 2012
104
                o so Macguffin = Egg McMuffin?
Dec 12th 2012
111
                     lol
Dec 25th 2012
213
      The fuck.
Dec 12th 2012
100
A lot of mad in this thread
Dec 12th 2012
98
Platinum with 13 days til release.
Dec 12th 2012
101
^Plot device
Dec 12th 2012
102
For people who have seen it: how is food used?
Dec 12th 2012
103
Nominated for 3 NAACP Image Awards including Best Picture
Dec 12th 2012
105
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSYhBuzDD7g
Dec 12th 2012
106
HA
Dec 12th 2012
107
the NAACP's judgment has clearly been clouded
Dec 13th 2012
116
      Agreed. Let's hope Django can compete with the mighty 'Red Tails'
Dec 13th 2012
130
           Just saw Red Tails... It T'weren't no Ragtime...
Dec 13th 2012
135
           I'm scanning this post to avoid spoilers but....
Dec 15th 2012
164
channeling Radin on this one...need an OKPstorian
Dec 13th 2012
112
Conjuring Radin's name here is extremely poor form.
Dec 13th 2012
113
      agreed.
Dec 13th 2012
114
      Yeah that was wack
Dec 13th 2012
125
      you're missing my point, and how shocking is that
Dec 13th 2012
133
lol, O_E said he was going to "hold off"
Dec 13th 2012
126
Eh yo chill with the virulence, joke tella
Dec 13th 2012
129
      right, but you're arguing with how people describe the movie
Dec 13th 2012
141
           Nah, I'm talking about virulence and the confederate south
Dec 13th 2012
143
                the "is this movie necessary?" discussion is a slippery slope though.
Dec 13th 2012
147
                Solid point, because, to quote O_E from the LINCOLN post:
Dec 13th 2012
148
                     LMMFAO!!! And y'all wonder why I act like such an asshole
Dec 13th 2012
152
                          Not really, just curious to see how you'd respond..
Dec 13th 2012
153
                          You just compared Django to Lincoln, doggie. Go have a cold coke.
Dec 14th 2012
154
                               so did this guy. go have a warm pepsi.
Dec 14th 2012
158
                                    Bwahaha. Are you trying to make my point for me?
Dec 14th 2012
159
                                    wretched hive of scum and villainy?
Dec 16th 2012
166
                          you said QT should cover the post-civil war south
Dec 14th 2012
161
                your grasp of american history is atrocious
Dec 14th 2012
155
                     Your grasp of macguffin history is virulent
Dec 15th 2012
165
                          You're a fuckin clown dude.
Jan 03rd 2013
326
                               maybe he genuinely fuckin disagrees
Jan 03rd 2013
329
Yo... @CurtisScoon has been going IN for like two days....
Dec 13th 2012
127
Im just confused at the denial people have over what slavery was
Dec 13th 2012
128
Cool. So this film is a black, fictional Shindler's List?
Dec 13th 2012
131
Ive got no idea what the movie is going to be like without seeing it
Dec 13th 2012
132
"...and those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it..."
Dec 13th 2012
134
I don't think we are on the same page, lol.
Dec 13th 2012
136
We are...
Dec 13th 2012
138
Let there be anger in the streets?
Dec 13th 2012
140
      Yeah, I meant actual rioting and burning down of villages, lol
Dec 13th 2012
142
           Whether its literal or figurative
Dec 13th 2012
145
                I disagree ENTIRELY. If I could resize this font and make it bigger
Dec 13th 2012
146
The director of the film factors majorly in it for me
Dec 13th 2012
137
      No doubt... Tarantino is a curious case to me..
Dec 13th 2012
139
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^gets it
Dec 14th 2012
156
Questonable politics are really the least of this flick's problems
Dec 13th 2012
144
Haven't seen any yet. 100% on Rotten Tomatoes w/ 23 reviews.
Dec 13th 2012
151
he should lead the march on washington
Dec 14th 2012
157
I think Tarantino should lead the actual March on Washington
Dec 14th 2012
160
      would love to see that actually...would be hilarious
Dec 14th 2012
162
      ok this was a good post, I must admit
Dec 14th 2012
163
thing is, we should all know by now that QT is an equal opportunity
Dec 25th 2012
211
Turns out he liked the movie too, so
Dec 27th 2012
239
all this post achieved was getn the word "virulent" stuk in my hed
Dec 18th 2012
167
Yo, can we talk about the actual movie tho?
Dec 19th 2012
168
97% on Rotten
Dec 19th 2012
169
i'm stunned it's being this well received critically
Dec 19th 2012
177
yes.
Dec 19th 2012
170
Honest question: is it better than Naked Gun 33 1/3?
Dec 19th 2012
173
      You can't front on Naked Gun 33 1/3 -The Final Insult
Dec 19th 2012
174
           It was "flawed by wildly entertaining" (c) Guiness
Dec 19th 2012
175
                Liar
Dec 19th 2012
176
                     Wait -- you thought Nake Gun 33 1/3 wasn't flawed?
Dec 19th 2012
178
I didn't like it but worth a viewing for Dicaprio alone
Dec 20th 2012
179
This thread is exhausting...
Dec 23rd 2012
181
wasn't going to financially support this shit.....
Dec 23rd 2012
182
What would will smith gain from being in this movie?
Dec 23rd 2012
183
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120891/
Dec 23rd 2012
184
           ^Ether^
Dec 24th 2012
185
           LOL
Dec 24th 2012
186
           Game, Set, Match nm
Dec 24th 2012
187
Tarantino/Henry Louis Gates Interview from The Root pt 2 (Swipe)
Dec 24th 2012
188
Look at Henry Louis Gates Jr. sambo up towards white racist Tarantino
Dec 24th 2012
189
You joking, but that's how loony these niggas are
Dec 24th 2012
190
HE SAID NIGGER AGAIN....I'M OUTRAGEEED!
Dec 24th 2012
192
O_E saw it.
Dec 24th 2012
191
You saw a sneak peak? It comes out tomorrow
Dec 24th 2012
193
      ^Mad person #1. I'm off to a good start.
Dec 24th 2012
194
           Who me?(c)Dumile...never that
Dec 24th 2012
195
                I mean, mad people seen it in this post
Dec 24th 2012
196
RE:nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,lol
Dec 24th 2012
197
That's all fine and dandy. Movie sucks, though.
Dec 25th 2012
198
too late for another troll?
Dec 25th 2012
199
the trolls are now defending QTs use of n****r
Dec 25th 2012
200
This movie sucked so bad I'ma see it AGAIN
Dec 25th 2012
201
Good. I'm gonna buy multiple tickets to see it.
Dec 25th 2012
202
Yea, this a good angle. Ima troll w/ this
Dec 25th 2012
206
cool, man.
Dec 25th 2012
204
Tarantino/Henry Louis Gates Interview from The Root pt 3 (Swipe)
Dec 25th 2012
203
great reads. thanks for posting these. *spoiler*
Dec 29th 2012
292
B+ i fux with it ..could have lost about 18 min but its dope
Dec 25th 2012
205
Saw it. Thoroughly enjoyed it
Dec 25th 2012
207
i understand why spike is mad
Dec 25th 2012
208
I don't think Spike wants to make a trivial revenge movie set in the ant...
Dec 25th 2012
212
of course, he can't Now
Dec 25th 2012
215
      What in Spike's past works suggest he would want to make
Dec 25th 2012
217
DJANGO
Dec 25th 2012
214
a hood pass? really?
Dec 25th 2012
218
Hood pass?? Huh?
Dec 26th 2012
220
"If you are uncle tom black person, you will probably not like this movi...
Dec 26th 2012
222
      WE C U, OCK!
Dec 26th 2012
232
Spike couldn't make this movie because he sucks now.
Dec 27th 2012
250
Spike didnt want to make this movie
Dec 28th 2012
265
Not just Spike... no black filmmaker period could do it.
Dec 28th 2012
266
      yep
Dec 29th 2012
293
damn, i think i love you logophilic mf's. makes me feel like i ain't
Dec 25th 2012
210
Shit was dope
Dec 25th 2012
216
Saw It Tonight.
Dec 26th 2012
219
Wesley Morris continues to demostrate why he won a Pulitzer...
Dec 26th 2012
221
A- One of the best movies of the year.
Dec 26th 2012
223
RE: A- One of the best movies of the year.
Dec 26th 2012
224
"During slavery white people were extremely shitty to black people"
Dec 28th 2012
272
It's funny how nobody discusses anything on this site anymore.
Dec 26th 2012
225
I mean, it's not like we don't try.
Dec 26th 2012
227
$15 mil on Christmas. Allegedly the highest-grossing R-rated debut
Dec 26th 2012
226
Oh shit...a whole lotta people bout to be MAD
Dec 26th 2012
229
Now that I've seen it, my thoughts: the good and the bad.
Dec 26th 2012
228
I disagree with about all of this
Dec 26th 2012
234
disagree completely on leo
Dec 29th 2012
295
really enjoyed the film, actors were great
Dec 26th 2012
230
I thought it was great
Dec 26th 2012
231
It was just okay overall... Not something I'd watch more than twice
Dec 26th 2012
233
the hype about this movie is funny as shit
Dec 27th 2012
235
well yeah.....
Dec 27th 2012
242
      *I* know ain't shit deep in a QT film
Dec 27th 2012
243
           ok that is what you were referencing
Dec 27th 2012
245
           Ain't shit deep?
Dec 27th 2012
252
                Like Scary Movie, Scream, The Last Action Hero, and the many
Dec 27th 2012
253
                     I will come back later after work.
Dec 27th 2012
256
it was entertaining...typical tarantino. i don't understand oscar talk t...
Dec 27th 2012
236
I can respect your consistency
Dec 27th 2012
237
hey...it was entertaining
Dec 27th 2012
238
      the end..yall always want Gus Van Zandt from him
Dec 27th 2012
240
           look, even Wes Anderson manages to make real people now
Dec 27th 2012
241
                you want Tarantino to change his lane..as sign of growth perhaps
Dec 27th 2012
246
                     did wes anderson change his "style"....no, he did not
Dec 27th 2012
247
                          When was Wes Anderson NOT sincere though, lol.
Dec 27th 2012
261
                               No, Rushmore was whimsical surrealism
Dec 28th 2012
262
                                    ...and "real people"
Dec 28th 2012
264
                                    You are totally wrong.
Dec 28th 2012
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                                         RE: You are totally wrong.
Dec 28th 2012
275
                                              I don't know man; then a genre movie can never be sincere.
Dec 28th 2012
276
                                                   RE: I don't know man; then a genre movie can never be sincere.
Dec 28th 2012
277
everything you said was true but
Dec 27th 2012
244
nailed it
Dec 27th 2012
248
I disagree with you regarding Sincerity
Dec 27th 2012
255
RE: I disagree with you regarding Sincerity
Dec 28th 2012
278
great articulation of how i view most of dunny's work
Dec 28th 2012
279
this is the only way a slavery get-back film gets made (cartoons)
Dec 28th 2012
280
most of the greatest literature and films ever made are "cartoons"
Dec 29th 2012
296
well, this ain't one of them
Dec 29th 2012
297
...and what's wrong with a cartoon?
Jan 06th 2013
370
      nothing...they don't win best picture tho
Jan 07th 2013
380
QT OST Track-by-track Commentary from Sirius XM
Dec 27th 2012
249
Thanks man
Dec 27th 2012
259
Seeing this in BK was the best
Dec 27th 2012
251
My heartt silently filled with celebration at that part
Dec 27th 2012
257
wasn't blown away, had a good time, no racial lines in the theater
Dec 27th 2012
260
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAiNED?
Dec 28th 2012
263
my ***SPOILER*** two cents
Dec 28th 2012
267
yup
Dec 28th 2012
281
That could have been a great moment for washingtons character
Dec 28th 2012
286
also who was that masked woman?
Dec 28th 2012
268
Zoe Bell. The jawn from Death Proof.
Dec 31st 2012
302
**shakes head**
Dec 28th 2012
282
of course it was enjoyable...he makes what his folks wanna see
Dec 28th 2012
284
      so....I guess we agree on this...?
Dec 29th 2012
291
OE, I don't have time to read all your posts here
Dec 28th 2012
285
I'll have a virulent review soon.
Dec 29th 2012
294
      I bet you talk about hipsters in it
Dec 30th 2012
300
Absolutely enjoyed it.
Dec 28th 2012
287
Best film of 2012 (spoiler free...)
Dec 28th 2012
288
This was a dull trivial waste of film. Almost every character in the
Dec 28th 2012
289
LOL @ OE pretending to have seen it.
Dec 29th 2012
298
My posts are "flawed but wildly entertaining."
Dec 30th 2012
299
Super entertaining
Dec 31st 2012
301
it was entertaining..and i laughed at everything
Dec 31st 2012
303
hmm, it has no relation to Django other than in name
Dec 31st 2012
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RE: hmm, it has no relation to Django other than in name
Dec 31st 2012
307
It'd be original. I think it's notably different than Django.
Dec 31st 2012
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RE: It'd be original. I think it's notably different than Django.
Dec 31st 2012
306
DJANGO drug a coffin behind him into a bar, and fucked the bar up
Jan 02nd 2013
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Contrary to what some in PTP may believe (*glares at camera*) he'd be
Dec 31st 2012
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      RE: Contrary to what some in PTP may believe (*glares at camera*) he'd b...
Dec 31st 2012
309
           yeah its only sharing the name, storyline for original was
Dec 31st 2012
310
                The characters were created by Tarantino as well
Jan 02nd 2013
320
It was good, l liked it ... A lot. Sorry ba, o-e
Jan 01st 2013
311
for the record...i *liked* it, too...but oscar talk is a cyse
Jan 01st 2013
312
      RE: for the record...i *liked* it, too...but oscar talk is a cyse
Jan 01st 2013
313
           you read THIS thread and you honestly think that?
Jan 01st 2013
314
                THIS thread aint about shit. Its not the real world
Jan 01st 2013
315
                     nah...this thread is pretty representative of the prevailing black POV
Jan 01st 2013
316
                          NAACP Awards? c'mon
Jan 01st 2013
317
                               cool...Jason Patric deserved an oscar nom for The Losers then
Jan 01st 2013
318
                                    *smh* You're being petty at this point.
Jan 02nd 2013
323
does anyone think this will open a new era
Jan 03rd 2013
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have people not been saying this for nearly 20 years?
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      forgot about that
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Thought this articulated my feelings pretty well...
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RE: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) *SPOILERS*
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I think this critic got slavery all wrong
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we holding ourselves back by being critical on da jango?
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      no, but you definitely walked in expecting to hate it
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           numbers fine...he don't do night dogg numbers.
Jan 04th 2013
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Cobb is awesome
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so many straw men, so little time
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RE: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) *SPOILERS*
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not that much of a reach. King's killings are always "justified."
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      agreed
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           RE: agreed
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                he "murdered"
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                     RE: he "murdered"
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                          because it was a peaceful time back then?
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                               RE: because it was a peaceful time back then?
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                                    um...you are watching the wrong movies
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Finally got around to seeing it.
Jan 04th 2013
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You just didn't get it. It was a subversive, erudide and revealing.
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You understand you're doing what you make fun of right?
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      Not anymore than anyone else wanted it to be good.
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           Yikes. Your post subject actually proves my point.
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                Yeah, this is where you start changing your opinion
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                     Do you have stock replies?
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                          Kinda like your plea-copping for Tarantino
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                          I bet he used to be Tarantino's biggest fan back in the day
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                               Tarantino stole my Halloween candy back in the day
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                                    Can you point out replies who did this please?
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                                         Can u point to the replies fairly addressing the plotholes?
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                                              So....I'll take that as a no. Nm.
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                                                   No from you? Cool. I figured as much.
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agreed, it and he doesn't
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Man yall niggas making me feel bad for liking this shit
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dont
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Why? Seems most liked it.
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Like whatever you want
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      RE: Like whatever you want
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           You sound pretty upset
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           But seriously you should answer the question.
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                Nah, you should answer the question
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                Post 496 says I'm wrong for "trying to find perfection in film"
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           RE: Like whatever you want
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Maybe I'm dumb but......
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It's caus it was a Tarantino film
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Very few people are complaining about the N word
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      So what are the main "problems"....
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           Its is a wild, silly, dumb comic book revenge movie.
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                was it marketed as a Frontline type piece?
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I'm glad I found the Screener & didn't watch it in theaters.
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I Loved It!!!! I think a big reason is.....
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Almost nobody is trashing it. Its loved by critics
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      That can't be true.
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           lol
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           ha!
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not bad...
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Kerry Washington thought QT made up the iron masks bit
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Quentin talks about Django on The Treatment w/ Elvis Mitchell
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watched this in Inglewood opening weekend
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Great movie *spoiler ahead*
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it got oscar nod for best film and waltz for supporting
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Dick Gregory speaks a lil bit on it **link**
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a bloated trifle wallowing in self-indulgence
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"Now?"
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RE: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) *SPOILERS*
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Well Nas liked it, and Nas all about "dat knowledge"
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he said absolutely nothing related to my problems with the film
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RE: Django Unchained (Tarantino, 2012) *SPOILERS*
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it was dope...coulda been shorter tho
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Jesse Williams-Targaryen spits dragon's breath on Taratino
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Good reading.
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the companion joint on his blog is pretty good, too
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gotDAMN! that plus his tumblr page is an H-bomb on 'tino
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Willy from Philly didn't think Django was a lead *swipe*
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So I finally saw it
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with all respect, I absolutely disagree on the depth level
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Definitely not seeing that as Best Screenplay worthy
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DVD check in
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BeastInYaArea
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1. "I think it's his worst film..."
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I had the opposite reaction. I found myself cringing way more than laughing. I was always a QT apologist when people accused him of being an undercover racist, but ummm....I think he's an undercover racist. I never read the script, but if he really toned down the use of the N-word, it's crazy, because there were at least 100 instances of the word being used in the flick. I also thought he made a lot of easy choices in regard to slave/black behavior. I get that it's Tarantino and he has his off-brand of humor, but it didn't even work for me in a stylistic kind of way. It just felt like, 'Everybody laugh at how stupid them coloreds used to be'.

Also, I didn't find the journey especially engaging. For a 3-hour epic, it did move incredibly well, but after it was over, I just had an empty feeling. Believe it or not, I feel like this is a direct result of him not having Sally Menke this go-round. She was excellent at digging out subtle character moments. Also, I think he missed her sense of pacing.

After the screening I went to, there was a Q&A with QT and the moderator was praising him for his use of contemporary music, but I found it highly distracting. Rick Ross, Tupac, John Legend, James Brown, etc. kept pulling me out of the movie. To me, it called way too muh attention to itself.

The performances were amazing across the board. Django had to be Jamie....not Will, not Idris, not Tyrese....Jamie! He owned it. Christophe was brilliant as ever, Leo is a superb villain, and Kerry Washington brought a lot of weight to a character who didn't receive a lot of screen time. That motherfucker Sam Jackson though....he played the most vile, ignorant, coonish, loud, and despicable human being to ever be filmed -- but damn if he didn't commit.

I hated Tarantino's cameo...worst acting ever...probably the worst sequence of the film.

Bob Richardson's cinematography was beautiful. Wonderful lighting, sweeping landscapes, effective use of slow-motion, quick zooms to accentuate points, etc.

All in all, the cast was great and Richardson's cinematography was magnificent, but that stil wasn't enough to completely elevate the material and subject matter. I think Quentin got in his own way with this one. Aside from 'Death Proof', this is the first time I haven't had a burning desire to see one of his flicks again.

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3. "yeah, he deaded the whole "undercover" thing w/ this movie"
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>I was always a QT apologist when people
>accused him of being an undercover racist, but ummm....I think
>he's an undercover racist.

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5. "You hit the nail on the head"
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A pretty huge disappointment that felt quite intellectually and artistically lazy (the music choices in particular) at times. He has NOTHING to say about slavery and just seems to be going for shock. They could have cut 30-45 minutes EASY. The first hour feels pretty endless.

Tarantino was smart enough to stay out of the concentration camps in Inglorious but not here. It tries to have the cartoon slap-stick violence co-exist here with the brutal slavery depictions. As a result, there's an off-putting dissonance to the flick.

The performances saved it for me. Foxx brings some depth to a pretty thin character. Waltz is good but it was pretty much a continuation of his work in Inglorious (a far superior movie). Dicaprio brings this movie to life when he's onscreen though. Might very well be his best work ever. It's a shame Kerry Washington has nothing to do here as I think she's a good actress.

Im disliking this movie the more I think about it.



>I had the opposite reaction. I found myself cringing way
>more than laughing. I was always a QT apologist when people
>accused him of being an undercover racist, but ummm....I think
>he's an undercover racist. I never read the script, but if he
>really toned down the use of the N-word, it's crazy, because
>there were at least 100 instances of the word being used in
>the flick. I also thought he made a lot of easy choices in
>regard to slave/black behavior. I get that it's Tarantino and
>he has his off-brand of humor, but it didn't even work for me
>in a stylistic kind of way. It just felt like, 'Everybody
>laugh at how stupid them coloreds used to be'.
>
>Also, I didn't find the journey especially engaging. For a
>3-hour epic, it did move incredibly well, but after it was
>over, I just had an empty feeling. Believe it or not, I feel
>like this is a direct result of him not having Sally Menke
>this go-round. She was excellent at digging out subtle
>character moments. Also, I think he missed her sense of
>pacing.
>
>After the screening I went to, there was a Q&A with QT and the
>moderator was praising him for his use of contemporary music,
>but I found it highly distracting. Rick Ross, Tupac, John
>Legend, James Brown, etc. kept pulling me out of the movie.
>To me, it called way too muh attention to itself.
>
>The performances were amazing across the board. Django had to
>be Jamie....not Will, not Idris, not Tyrese....Jamie! He
>owned it. Christophe was brilliant as ever, Leo is a superb
>villain, and Kerry Washington brought a lot of weight to a
>character who didn't receive a lot of screen time. That
>motherfucker Sam Jackson though....he played the most vile,
>ignorant, coonish, loud, and despicable human being to ever be
>filmed -- but damn if he didn't commit.
>
>I hated Tarantino's cameo...worst acting ever...probably the
>worst sequence of the film.
>
>Bob Richardson's cinematography was beautiful. Wonderful
>lighting, sweeping landscapes, effective use of slow-motion,
>quick zooms to accentuate points, etc.
>
>All in all, the cast was great and Richardson's cinematography
>was magnificent, but that stil wasn't enough to completely
>elevate the material and subject matter. I think Quentin got
>in his own way with this one. Aside from 'Death Proof', this
>is the first time I haven't had a burning desire to see one of
>his flicks again.

  

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34. "Word to Harriet Tubman..."
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The Analyst
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35. "What did he have to say about the holocaust last time around?"
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>He has NOTHING to say about slavery and just seems to
>be going for shock.

Of course he's just going for shock! That's the main conceit here. I mean, I haven't seen the movie yet, but if you went in there expecting the film to give you some sort of insightful analysis of slavery, you were in the wrong place.

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45. "I think the point he's making is that he left it alone altogether"
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>>He has NOTHING to say about slavery and just seems to
>>be going for shock.
>
>Of course he's just going for shock! That's the main conceit
>here. I mean, I haven't seen the movie yet, but if you went
>in there expecting the film to give you some sort of
>insightful analysis of slavery, you were in the wrong place.

I'm sure he didn't as right below that he states:

"Tarantino was smart enough to stay out of the concentration camps in Inglorious but not here. It tries to have the cartoon slap-stick violence co-exist here with the brutal slavery depictions. As a result, there's an off-putting dissonance to the flick."

And this is the main reason why I don't wanna see it


  

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7. "Yeah, I've heard it was trite, amateurish and silly"
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This is what I'm hearing



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86. "RE: I think it's his worst film..."
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yep and I read today in the press that he disapproves of the movie "roots" in which he feels it was a false depiction of slavery....gawdamn RACIST....how does tarantino know that roots was false depiction of slavery?

  

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87. "Yeah, you're right. He did say that."
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For what it's worth, so did the black producer of Django, Reg Hudlin, but regardless, here's the quote:

“When you look at Roots, nothing about it rings true in the storytelling, and none of the performances ring true for me either,” says Tarantino. “I didn’t see it when it first came on, but when I did I couldn’t get over how oversimplified they made everything about that time. It didn’t move me because it claimed to be something it wasn’t.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/12/09/quentin-tarantino-on-django-unchained-and-the-problem-with-roots.html

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110. "And his movie was an accurate representation?"
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He should sit down somewhere.

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171. "You are right....tarantino needs to sit down somewhere..."
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because I watched the tv one special of django interview where jamie fox and he discussed the movie and it sounds like he just wanted to make a fun movie and could really care less about it being an accurate representation because when this issue came up in the conversation about slavery and the N word being used, he went around the topic and said that he just wanted to make a fun movie and didnt really go into why the n word was used or why he thought of the roots movie being a false representation. jamie fox just said that the n word was the word of the day.....

  

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172. "RE: You are right....tarantino needs to sit down somewhere..."
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>didnt really go into why...
>he thought of the roots movie being a
>false representation.

I mean, in fairness, Roots (the mini-series) added sympathetic white characters that weren't in the source material for the sole purpose of sugar-coating (and FALSELY REPRESENTING) reality so that it would be more palatable for less-enlightened white audiences.

According to the Museum of Broadcast Communications:

"Familiar television actors like American (sic) actor Lorne Greene were chosen for the white, secondary roles, to reassure audiences. The white actors were featured disproportionately in network previews. For the first episode, the writers created a conscience-stricken slave captain (Ed Asner), a figure who did not appear in Haley's novel but was intended to make white audiences feel better about their historical role in the slave trade."

Not sure why it's scandalous to point that out...

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283. "RE: You are right....tarantino needs to sit down somewhere..."
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I really think that this film isnt really what it is cracked up to be....5 nods way before the movie was released....COME ON NOW and a racist one at that....

  

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2. "BTW the film is 2 hours and 45 minutes"
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Ignore what I said about it being 2:21.

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4. "Oooh, y'all gon' be maaaaaadd...."
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Fri Dec-07-12 02:00 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

I, for one, enjoyed it very much. It was darkly funny. Literally and figuratively. Foxx is a badass. Leo and Christoph were fantastic. Sam Jack nailed the live-action version of Uncle Ruckus. And Kerry's very pretty.

I agree with bwood regarding the laughter.

I disagree with bwood regarding whose story it is. In fact, about 2/3 of the way through I said to myself, "THAT's the reason Will Smith turned it down." Django is the reason the movie exists, as everything happens because of the goals he has to reach, but to me it was really Dr. King Schultz's movie to carry. Or maybe I'm confusing shit-tons of dialogue with story weight. Dunno.

And yes, the N-word is prevalent. As is a LOT of blood. I'm really shocked this didn't get the NC-17.

Some of you will be ready to tear Quentin a new one. You can go right ahead. Story faults aside, I enjoyed the shit outta this, though there were times when I wished I was the only one in the auditorium.

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6. ": - ) So basically, this movie was dogshit. "
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Sounds like you had that post already written,
except you were thinking it was going to be actually
good and had to backtrack from:

"This was a masterpiece"

to

"I had a lot of fun with this."

You know its pretty bad; everybody I know whose seen it
says it fucking sucks.

You can admit that he dropped the ball, you know.

You won't be any less of an idiot.

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10. "lol, and you DIDN'T have your post(s) already written, too? n/m"
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12. "Yeah, you mad. Already. "
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Oh wow, we're off to a fast mad start



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15. "Pot, meet kettle"
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Niggas are going to like this movie, and there's not much you can do about it, except cry and show your ass all over the post

Like you did for Dark Knight Rises

This particularly nigga's here to remind you that Nolan's a great filmmaker, and so is Tarantino

Cry your fucking troll-ass eyes out about it

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18. "Aaand O_E done drawn low self-esteem blood already"
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I got my Bushido blade

Oh yes I do

>Niggas are going to like this movie, and there's not much you
>can do about it, except cry and show your ass all over the
>post

Of course they are

I mean 'The Artist' won Best Picture last year

Y'all don't think for yourselves

>Like you did for Dark Knight Rises

Everyone with integrity and intelligence thought was, at
best, a good shitty movie

Problem is, it was supposed to be the cap on a great epic,
which it wasn't

DKR was slightly better than Grindhosue

>This particularly nigga's here to remind you that Nolan's a
>great filmmaker, and so is Tarantino

Bwahhhahaa

Apparently there's evidence of that from Django

But "it did what it was intended to do," right?

That meaning serve as a stepping stone for all yalls
low self-esteem

>Cry your fucking troll-ass eyes out about it



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19. ""Think for yourselfs... by thinking like me.""
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Shut the entire fuck up, nigga

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26. "You're both right"
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The movie isn't very good and O-E is incredibly mad.

  

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29. "But...but...Dark Knight Rises kinda sucked"
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like...it wasn't even a good movie.

and I don't have a problem with Nolan. I loved the 2nd.

jussayin

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17. "(ZooTown responds)"
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108. "This is more entertaining than the movie, I'd bet."
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

*Effasig*

  

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8. "Reviews I'm hearing is that his act has finally worn thin. "
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Fri Dec-07-12 09:50 AM by Orbit_Established

  

          

And that the film doesn't work on any level

I don't expect PTP to admit it

You guys are gonna stay something about:

"It did what it was supposed to do"

People are officially tired of it and are seeing QT for what
he really is

Don't get me wrong his fanbase is big enough now that
he can eat off terrible movies forever, and good for him

I'm only seeing it if I'm on a date (A Tarantino film rule; plus
I can gauge how smart a girl is by how much she likes Tarantino.
Best g/f I ever had thought dude was a clown).

Doesn't sound too promising though

But again: don't expect y'all to admit it





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9. "isn't that what you said with Iron Fists?"
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>You guys are gonna stay something about:
>
>"It did what it was supposed to do"

  

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16. "Nope. I said it was "very good." Which it was. "
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Y'all are going to cross examine Iron Fists at a level
that you wont' cross examine Django, though because
most of y'all have extremely low self-esteem.

Django is clearly shitty, you can tell by all the "it was good popcorn
fun" reviews

Almost all positive reviews say something between that
and "It did what it intended to do."

That's code for: "It sucked, but I have low self-esteem and
need to cook up a reason that this isn't the worst movie of
the year, which it was."



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11. "LOL"
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Most of the buzz on Twitter is positive. Nice try.

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13. "Oh look, O_E's here to bam up the post"
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And only after I wrote my review

I'm flattered, really I am

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14. "Can you post some of these reviews?"
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I'm usually a healthy Tarantino skeptic, as you know... I'm just not coming across the same reviews you are, I guess. I'd love for you to post them, since every critic I'm reading has either liked it with some reservations (the length being the primary reservation) or loved it outright.

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20. "Post #1 plus 4 conversations "
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>I'm usually a healthy Tarantino skeptic, as you know... I'm
>just not coming across the same reviews you are, I guess. I'd
>love for you to post them, since every critic I'm reading has
>either liked it with some reservations (the length being the
>primary reservation) or loved it outright.

But I don't expect an honest review of this, to be honest

Watch: some black hipster is going to call this the most
nuanced commentary on race in over a decade

After that, white hipsters will feel comfortable saying
the same

From what I understand, he basically has a dumb revenge
flick in a slavery backdrop and the racial commentary is
gratuitous and borderline offensive


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39. "RE: Post #1 plus 4 conversations "
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> and the racial commentary is
>gratuitous and borderline offensive
>


it's not borderline at all. it's blatant, in your face bigotry. and it's supposed to make you laugh.

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109. "100% on Rotten Tomatoes, bro!"
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What? You're not drinking the Taran-TEA-Know?

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21. "Guys, look at the OP for an example: "
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Fri Dec-07-12 11:47 AM by Orbit_Established

  

          

>As for the soundtrack, it's awesome. Having one of the
>shootouts during a James Brown/Tupac mashup was brilliant.
>Also, the use of Anthony Hamilton and John Legend was perfect
>in this film and used at the right moments. So was Johnny
>Cash. I would say though they used the Rick Ross song in a bad
>spot and to me it could've been used better. Also, there's a
>new song by The RZA that's played over the credits that makes
>me wonder why it isn't on the soundtrack.

See how the soundtrack gets a whole paragraph?

Y'all are just making up reasons to like this.

Note how the soundtrack didn't get that much coverage in
the Iron Fist post, when the Iron Fist soundtrack is not only
splendid, its is more important to its marketing than Django's.

I didn't hear anyone bigging up Iron Fist by talking about how
great the soundtrack was.

Y'all are just making up reasons to like this.

Hard to debate me on this one. I'm right.


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32. "RE: Guys, look at the OP for an example: "
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>>As for the soundtrack, it's awesome. Having one of the
>>shootouts during a James Brown/Tupac mashup was brilliant.
>>Also, the use of Anthony Hamilton and John Legend was
>perfect
>>in this film and used at the right moments. So was Johnny
>>Cash. I would say though they used the Rick Ross song in a
>bad
>>spot and to me it could've been used better. Also, there's a
>>new song by The RZA that's played over the credits that
>makes
>>me wonder why it isn't on the soundtrack.
>
>See how the soundtrack gets a whole paragraph?
>
>Y'all are just making up reasons to like this.
>
>Note how the soundtrack didn't get that much coverage in
>the Iron Fist post, when the Iron Fist soundtrack is not only
>splendid, its is more important to its marketing than
>Django's.
>
>I didn't hear anyone bigging up Iron Fist by talking about
>how
>great the soundtrack was.
>
>Y'all are just making up reasons to like this.
>
>Hard to debate me on this one. I'm right.
>
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Hold all the fuck up nigga. I was on your side with Iron Fists and that movie has the better soundtrack (and score). No one mentioned the soundtrack cause niggas were talking bout it in The Lesson. Don't come to me with this bullshit gripe, just because you hate QT.

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180. "Riiight, b/c Tarantino isn't known for his soundtracks"
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I mean it's not like he's made any films that have any stick out songs or classic use of them.

lol if you go by what ppl say on here Tarantino wouldn't be able to get a job directing industrial videos. you dudes try too hard to write him off but yet he still seems to put along in the his own lane

  

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22. "Ha ha, troll niggas already mad... that's awesome"
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I want you bitch niggas to be FURIOUS with this, and any and all praise this movie gets, whether it's here (not likely, I'm predicting another DKR pile-on) or critical reviews, or "through conversations"

And I hope it makes more money than Inglourious, just to send you hater hoes through the roof

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23. "Oh, I'm hoping that this makes 300 milly, at least. "
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Fri Dec-07-12 11:57 AM by Orbit_Established

  

          

If this does well, it does more for my general steez as a
cultural critic, which I get a check for whenever I want
(not high on my priorities, but not a bad hustle)

I'm literally planning fun activities right now with money I will generate
from checks I'm gonna get (Miami in February, Cali in May) talking about
how flawed society is, as evidenced by the art that it extols

If this flops, I have to do something else to get extra bread, because
that would mean people are starting to think for themselves

I'm being serious here

I need this shit to do well, or else I can 't write critiques and am
no longer relevant

The universe needs me to shed light on the truth because movies
like 'The Artist' win best picture and Tarantino gets praise

Sorta like how Jesse Jackson went out of business when Obama
got elected

I'm "voting for Romney"

Do keep in mind that I will evaluate the movie based on
how I actually feel, though and will be fair

Always am fair

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24. "You're also always mad... "
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25. "Hmm. Mods aren't supposed to need anger management"
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I got your inbox.

I don't know of any in the area, sorry


But seriously,

It doesn't work when the moderators are mad

You're worse than back when Expertise was the OKactivist Mod
and was locking posts about helping the black community because
they were communist and reverse-racist

You can't be mad, doggie

you CAN'T be


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27. "This post is already boring and kinda sad."
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No offense to OE or Zoo. I can just kinda see how the next 300 replies are gonna play out.

Someone likes it --> two or three posters who also liked it comment snarkily about how OE is going to reply, OE replies predictably, etc

Someone hates it --> OE replies how they're being honest, they're not ashamed to go against the grain, etc. Maybe some people who liked it have a question or two about the person who hated it's perception, which will then lead to OE replying to THAT directly

No one in particular is to blame-- it's just kinda how Tarantino posts are destined to end up at this point. The divisiveness of his particular aesthetic combined with the nature of online message boards.

And I'm not even a big Tarantino fan. And I've contributed in the past to posts like this one. Generally, when it comes to Tarantino flicks, I'm usually *more* on OE's side than the positive side.

It's just the predictability of it at this point is all. And it sort of distracts from any and all valid critical points that may sneak its way into this post somehow.

Anyway. I'll come back to this post December 26th, to drop my review. By then this post will be double plat and the movie won't even have opened. Sigh.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for some people to reply to this reply that the reason these posts are like this is because of OE, time for OE to reply to this reply saying what's really boring and kinda sad is how predictable QT fanboys are, and time for me to leave.

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28. "I'll lay off and stop posting on DU for a while. "
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Let y'all do your thing.

Not sure why my opinions irk people so bad, though

But I'll leave that alone.

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30. "seriously... shit is mad annoying at this point, OE 20 posts in here"
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talking about how shitty he is when he hasn't even seen it! lol

  

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31. "Yep. It's gonna be another DRR thread."
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Didn't bother posting in that one & I'm probably not going to see this movie. At least not until I notice it's on cable one night & I can't help myself like I did with most of Death Proof & Basterds.

For the record I will happily admit that I'm mad that Quentin made this flick since I think I'd probably want to see it if any other director besides he was at the helm. Haven't really been a fan after the big Kill Bill 2 let down.

I'll be here lurking & hoping for more entertainment tho.

  

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33. "I will apologize to those who want to discuss the film in this post"
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Not troll, or pile on in the hopes of getting a few LOLs.

I'm seriously eager for the rest of PTP to see this and weigh in.

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36. "theres a screening here"
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i may take that opp to see it

  

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71. "you are fuckin pathetic...you clearly WANTED to like it"
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and your "review" was a damn cop out. anyone can tell from that half-hearted shit that the movie is wack.

that said...i'll wait.

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75. "Nigga Zootwn said: "Story faults aside, I enjoyed the shit outta this.""
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Bwahahhahhahhahahahahahaaahahahahahahaha

Woooooowwww

I mean goddamn dog, at least TRY TO ARGUE that it
was good

Dude basically waved the white flag with that one

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76. "Nigga, motherfuck you and your review of my review."
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How's that?

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77. "Madness aside, I enjoyed the shit outta your virulent reply."
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37. "Agreed. I came in here to see some initial reactions..."
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... because I just went to a press screening and of course it's already devolved into an agenda fest. That shit is fun in OKS but gets annoying quick on this board.

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38. "My opinion is embargoed, but I will say re: the laughing..."
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... that I had the exact same reaction. I saw it in a room of white critics and there were certain moments of uproarious laughter that made me grimace...which raises a lot of questions about whether or not the film itself works, which I'll have to deal with when I sit down to write my review.

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40. "question about white people laughing @ the "nigger" dialogue"
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i kinda shuttered during Inglorious when all the white people were laughing at the king kong joke. I felt belittled, isolated, and slightly offended. not saying this reaction is universal or even the "right" reaction, but it's how i felt.

white people shouldn't have to hide from their feelings and true reactions when it comes to "entertainment." particularly when they paid to see it.

but it also begs the question: are we now blurring the lines of what's considered racist behavior? I mean, it's a movie with paid actors on a set reading lines. it's not real. however, the words are real, the context is real. the laughter is real.

not saying one side is right or wrong, but reading the script and then reading various comments online got me thinking about this.

not to post jack or anything but i feel like it's a pretty significant component of this film, being that "nigger" is uttered countless times by white actors in a context that is highly derogatory and bigoted.

furthermore, being that much of the "comedy" in Tarantino's writing is subjective to the viewer, whose to say when is an appropriate time to laugh?

i suppose my question is, are white people who laugh at a significant portion of this movie racist? How much, or how little do they have to laugh in order for them not to be racist?

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41. "For me, the movie was really confused as to what it wanted to say"
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The parts I (note: a white dude) cringed at racism (and there's quite a few of them) were mainly a result of lazy writing on Quentin's part IMO. Some of the jokes here are so bad that you're really confused as to what it is you're supposed to be laughing at. There's just none of the wit and intelligence I saw in Inglorious present in much of Django.

  

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42. "RE: For me, the movie was really confused as to what it wanted to say"
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I feel the same way, honestly.

It's not until DiCaprio's character is introduced that Tarantino finds his "stride" if you will. But even then, much of the writing seems out of place and inorganic -- to the extent that I question whether or not he truly intends to patronize his audience.

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70. "Haven't seen this film (and I most likely won't, legally)"
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BUT

isn't that dudes steeze in general, though? Empty shock, while chasing cool? None of his films have anything at all to say, ever.

  

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43. "I think the both of you are selling Christoph Waltz quite short"
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Foxx's Django is literally the soul of the movie (roll your eyes if you must), but Dr. King Schultz is its wild heart and conscience...

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44. "He's very good but..."
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it's just not that compelling a character for me. The movie is at its best when Foxx, Waltz and Dicaprio are onscreen together. I just expected more from Tarantino after Inglorious.

  

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46. "Sounds like The Chappelle Show syndrome"
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117. "this kind of reminded me of something"
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>i kinda shuttered during Inglorious when all the white people
>were laughing at the king kong joke. I felt belittled,
>isolated, and slightly offended. not saying this reaction is
>universal or even the "right" reaction, but it's how i felt.

full disclaimer: I don't go out to movies very often at all. getting me in the theater is like pulling teeth. however, after much "screening" you can somehow convince me to sit down and watch a film.

that being said, one of those rare times was going to see South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut. I ain't even want to really see the shit, but did any way cause my boys insisted.

I found it amusing, but there was one scene where I noticed a lot of white laughter: the "human shield" scene. Now I kind of smirked at it, because I got the joke -- they were making fun of the racist "black folks die first" trope. it's one of those things to which I'd rather nod, than laugh.

but these motherfuckers were laughing like shit. like, "this shit is funny to y'all?"

later on, when that one kid (who says outrageous things; he wasn't a regular cast member... think the character was named Mole or something) was like, "where's your God? Where's that fucking (effwurd) now?"

Dogg.

I laughed my ass off. Dude basically called God the Neo F-Word right there, front and center.

None of those motherfuckers were laughing.

I still thought that was the funniest "shock" scene in the entire film.

in any case, I remember watching that shit, wondering "damn... what do white folks laugh at nowadays"

  

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123. "the french kid..the mole"
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and yeah, everything buddy says is is funny as shit in that movie.

Like you, I was in tears @ "your beautiful faggot Jesus".

Meanwhile, crickets from everybody else in the theater

  

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149. "yep... you see it"
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>Meanwhile, crickets from everybody else in the theater

dogg, the fact that they DIDN'T laugh is what made it even funnier to me

  

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47. "a masterpiece, the most virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south"
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ever put on film. for those of you who sat in the theater with a furious erection counting N-words and crying, you missed the movie. unlike most films/tv portrayals of this subject matter, django unchained has absolutely zero sympathy whatsoever for the slave-owning south. rather than celebrate the grandeur of the plantations, it recognizes them as the killing fields they were. rather than portray southerners of that time as well-mannered but morally misguided, it recognizes them as the murderering, raping, torturing, slovenly (and later treasonous) aristocracy they were. these are people who, like thomas jefferson and other founding fathers, saw fit to enslave their own children. no amount of redemption is justified, and there's none to be found in django unchained. in short, this is the first film i've seen that accurately portrays the confederate south as-- in a history littered with slavery and genocide-- quite possibly the most morally corrupt society that has ever existed.

and let's just get this inconvenient truth out of the way: no other white writer/director would've had the guts to make this film. and no black writer/director would've been allowed to make this film (they'd have been ushered out of the pitch room by security). in that respect, hollywood owes QT a debt of gratitude for making a film that literally no one else could have or would have made.

like the equally brilliant inglorious basterds, django unchained takes one of the great injustices of recent history and weaves in a revenge fantasy worthy of its villains. but it also succeeds spectacularly as a western (the landscape imagery and quiet scenes between foxx and waltz are as good as they come) and blaxploitation flick (likewise for the music and violence). the genres are woven and blended with masterful skill.

some people found the music jarring; those people are wrong. there are a million westerns with country music, a million blaxploitations with soul music. if you're adamant about seeing the same things done in every movie, go watch one of those. but what's the quote about if you break the rules, break them beautifully? that's exactly what QT does here. morricone and bacalov for the purists, rick ross, john legend, and anthony hamilton for those who like to see boundaries pushed. i loved, LOVED tupac (featuring django!) in the big shootout scene. i was furious at the use of johnny cash's "ain't no grave," a song i've been diligently saving for my own western.

the dialogue absolutely crackles. again, while the simple-minded among you count N-words, i count rhetorical punches landed, which were many and often. the bumbling klan scene was a diversion that from an editing standpoint was probably best left in a director's cut, but because it was both absolutely hilarious and a necessary addition to any anti-love letter to the confederate south, we'll allow it. waltz's character, in particular though, is a walking poetic monologue machine, from his laying out of options for the slaves being transported along with django ("if there are any astronomy aficionados among you..."), to his incredible explanation for murder to a town of people with guns on him ("marshal, you owe me $200..."). i have to assume that the charges of racism against QT are based on the high-quality-- from a rhetorical and linguitic standpoint-- of the dialogue coming from his racist characters. no doubt, he paints these characters with a master's brush and the racism flows out of their mouths like honey. but honestly, you guys are idiots. no racist would make this film or anything close to it. this isn't a film that glorifies the racism of the confederate south, it holds up a blinding light to it. then shoots it in the face. understand the difference. i am curious about people's complaints of inappropriate laughter in certain scenes (which i'm guessing says more about the people laughing than the film, but still i'm curious). which ones, specifically? i missed it.

as for the performances, the chemistry between foxx and waltz is fire. i wish foxx had played it a little less low-key at times, as i thought it left django's character a bit lifeless, though i absolutely bought him as a gun-slinging cowboy. i'm curious what will smith would've done with the role, though i can see why he passed; the risk to the smith brand here would've been immense. no oscar nod is worth risking willow's next album. but really, this is a film carried by its supporting actors, the men django meets along his journey. in a just world, don johnson, leonardo dicaprio, and sam jackson would all be up for oscars. as it is, i think we'll have to settle for leo's first, in what for him is a career-defining performance. his calvin candie is every bit as charismatic and seething with quiet evil as waltz's villain in inglourious. the scene where he's explaining the intricate "differences" between the negro skull and the white skull is spectacular, showcasing the best of both leo and QT's skills and revealing the pure psychosis of 19th century racism (which necessarily had to be extreme to justify the scale and scope of the society they had built) in a way that most portrayals of slavery don't come close to. johnson and jackson have scenes and dialogue with similar effect. but the leo for supporting actor train boards here.

my issues with the film are minor. kerry washington is basically a macguffin, not given much to do, aside from a brief scene with waltz. though i think the scene where waltz tells django the german legend of broomhilda is really effective at establishing her value to the story. the QT cameo is ridiculous, of course. it was distracting, at best, at a point in the film that was... let's say, not the ideal point to get yanked out of it. if it came earlier, maybe it gets a pass. lastly, QT painted himself into a corner after the big shootout. no way they "punish" django like that and basically ignore his wife. i didn't buy it, but it was a necessary evil to set up the big finish.

flaws and all though, the story is engaging, the dialogue poetry, the imagery unforgettable, the filmmaking bold and innovative. this should be the frontrunner for best picture. should. it obviously will do nothing of the sort, as the subject matter and people's reactions to it are far too polarizing. this is only the feel-good movie of the year if you believe that the confederate south was a literal hell on earth that should have, morally speaking, been burned to the ground as candyland was, and that every traitor in a gray uniform who defended that society should have, legally speaking, been hung (though to be clear, i applaud lincoln's otherworldly compassion and restraint in doing none of these things; i might not be here otherwise, nor would the united states of america).

though the revenge fantasy is just as sweet as inglourious, the bravery required of the filmmaking here surpasses it. almost no one anywhere defends nazis. you can shoot hitler all day with impunity. the confederate flag, on the other hand, still flies-- legally protected from desecration in five states-- all over america. with django unchained, tarantino carefully unfurls that flag, holds it up high for public view, then takes a long, satisfying piss all over it.

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48. "Uma Thurman Kill Bill eyebrow raise"
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>ever put on film. for those of you who sat in the theater
>with a furious erection counting N-words and crying, you
>missed the movie. unlike most films/tv portrayals of this
>subject matter, django unchained has absolutely zero sympathy
>whatsoever for the slave-owning south. rather than celebrate
>the grandeur of the plantations, it recognizes them as the
>killing fields they were. rather than portray southerners of
>that time as well-mannered but morally misguided, it
>recognizes them as the murderering, raping, torturing,
>slovenly (and later treasonous) aristocracy they were. these
>are people who, like thomas jefferson and other founding
>fathers, saw fit to enslave their own children. no amount of
>redemption is justified, and there's none to be found in
>django unchained. in short, this is the first film i've seen
>that accurately portrays the confederate south as-- in a
>history littered with slavery and genocide-- quite possibly
>the most morally corrupt society that has ever existed.
>
>and let's just get this inconvenient truth out of the way: no
>other white writer/director would've had the guts to make this
>film. and no black writer/director would've been allowed to
>make this film (they'd have been ushered out of the pitch room
>by security). in that respect, hollywood owes QT a debt of
>gratitude for making a film that literally no one else could
>have or would have made.
>
>like the equally brilliant inglorious basterds, django
>unchained takes one of the great injustices of recent history
>and weaves in a revenge fantasy worthy of its villains. but
>it also succeeds spectacularly as a western (the landscape
>imagery and quiet scenes between foxx and waltz are as good as
>they come) and blaxploitation flick (likewise for the music
>and violence). the genres are woven and blended with
>masterful skill.
>
>some people found the music jarring; those people are wrong.
>there are a million westerns with country music, a million
>blaxploitations with soul music. if you're adamant about
>seeing the same things done in every movie, go watch one of
>those. but what's the quote about if you break the rules,
>break them beautifully? that's exactly what QT does here.
>morricone and bacalov for the purists, rick ross, john legend,
>and anthony hamilton for those who like to see boundaries
>pushed. i loved, LOVED tupac (featuring django!) in the big
>shootout scene. i was furious at the use of johnny cash's
>"ain't no grave," a song i've been diligently saving for my
>own western.
>
>the dialogue absolutely crackles. again, while the
>simple-minded among you count N-words, i count rhetorical
>punches landed, which were many and often. the bumbling klan
>scene was a diversion that from an editing standpoint was
>probably best left in a director's cut, but because it was
>both absolutely hilarious and a necessary addition to any
>anti-love letter to the confederate south, we'll allow it.
>waltz's character, in particular though, is a walking poetic
>monologue machine, from his laying out of options for the
>slaves being transported along with django ("if there are any
>astronomy aficionados among you..."), to his incredible
>explanation for murder to a town of people with guns on him
>("marshal, you owe me $200..."). i have to assume that the
>charges of racism against QT are based on the high-quality--
>from a rhetorical and linguitic standpoint-- of the dialogue
>coming from his racist characters. no doubt, he paints these
>characters with a master's brush and the racism flows out of
>their mouths like honey. but honestly, you guys are idiots.
>no racist would make this film or anything close to it. this
>isn't a film that glorifies the racism of the confederate
>south, it holds up a blinding light to it. then shoots it in
>the face. understand the difference. i am curious about
>people's complaints of inappropriate laughter in certain
>scenes (which i'm guessing says more about the people laughing
>than the film, but still i'm curious). which ones,
>specifically? i missed it.
>
>as for the performances, the chemistry between foxx and waltz
>is fire. i wish foxx had played it a little less low-key at
>times, as i thought it left django's character a bit lifeless,
>though i absolutely bought him as a gun-slinging cowboy. i'm
>curious what will smith would've done with the role, though i
>can see why he passed; the risk to the smith brand here
>would've been immense. no oscar nod is worth risking willow's
>next album. but really, this is a film carried by its
>supporting actors, the men django meets along his journey. in
>a just world, don johnson, leonardo dicaprio, and sam jackson
>would all be up for oscars. as it is, i think we'll have to
>settle for leo's first, in what for him is a career-defining
>performance. his calvin candie is every bit as charismatic
>and seething with quiet evil as waltz's villain in
>inglourious. the scene where he's explaining the intricate
>"differences" between the negro skull and the white skull is
>spectacular, showcasing the best of both leo and QT's skills
>and revealing the pure psychosis of 19th century racism (which
>necessarily had to be extreme to justify the scale and scope
>of the society they had built) in a way that most portrayals
>of slavery don't come close to. johnson and jackson have
>scenes and dialogue with similar effect. but the leo for
>supporting actor train boards here.
>
>my issues with the film are minor. kerry washington is
>basically a macguffin, not given much to do, aside from a
>brief scene with waltz. though i think the scene where waltz
>tells django the german legend of broomhilda is really
>effective at establishing her value to the story. the QT
>cameo is ridiculous, of course. it was distracting, at best,
>at a point in the film that was... let's say, not the ideal
>point to get yanked out of it. if it came earlier, maybe it
>gets a pass. lastly, QT painted himself into a corner after
>the big shootout. no way they "punish" django like that and
>basically ignore his wife. i didn't buy it, but it was a
>necessary evil to set up the big finish.
>
>flaws and all though, the story is engaging, the dialogue
>poetry, the imagery unforgettable, the filmmaking bold and
>innovative. this should be the frontrunner for best picture.
>should. it obviously will do nothing of the sort, as the
>subject matter and people's reactions to it are far too
>polarizing. this is only the feel-good movie of the year if
>you believe that the confederate south was a literal hell on
>earth that should have, morally speaking, been burned to the
>ground as candyland was, and that every traitor in a gray
>uniform who defended that society should have, legally
>speaking, been hung (though to be clear, i applaud lincoln's
>otherworldly compassion and restraint in doing none of these
>things; i might not be here otherwise, nor would the united
>states of america).
>
>though the revenge fantasy is just as sweet as inglourious,
>the bravery required of the filmmaking here surpasses it.
>almost no one anywhere defends nazis. you can shoot hitler
>all day with impunity. the confederate flag, on the other
>hand, still flies-- legally protected from desecration in five
>states-- all over america. with django unchained, tarantino
>carefully unfurls that flag, holds it up high for public view,
>then takes a long, satisfying piss all over it.

Uma Thurman Kill Bill eyebrow raise

  

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49. "Well you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore"
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50. "I hope the people who disagree w/ you are as eloquent..."
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because that was really well-done.

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258. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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psst!

  

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51. "RE: a masterpiece, the most virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south"
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spoilers much??


Anyhow, your perspective is all well and good. However, I take issue primarily w/ the fact that QT holds the confederate flag up, as you say, for 80% of the film, while his proverbial piss garners a mere 20%. Furthermore, that 20% is sloppy and rushed.

So while I admire your articulate and detailed synopsis, I respectfully disagree and maintain this film as his not so subtle magnum opus of bigoted satire.

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52. "no, respectfully speaking, you're very wrong *spoilers, obviously*"
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the very opening scene, where schultz frees django, he blasts slave trader #1 then hands the rifle and the key over to the other slaves and encourages them to blast slave trader #2. which they do. and pretty much every slave owner they come across throughout the film gets it likewise, right down to calvin candie's sweet southern belle sister. no, the confederate flag gets it immediately and consistently throughout this film. like i said before, there is no redemption for the slave-owning south here, no hint of the begrudging respect or pity found in most films of this subject matter. only an incredibly refreshing moral clarity. they are villains, all of them, and in true hollywood style they get what's coming to them.

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53. "Longo/Zootown: Let me know when I can make fun of shit like: "
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>my issues with the film are minor. kerry washington is
>basically a macguffin


Let me know when I can LMMFAO @ shit like that.


(And the rest of that reply, for that matter).


Don't want to step on any toes or "ruin the discussion."


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54. "This flick should make for some A+ trolling. Don't fuck it up"
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Don't blow your wad before you even seen it.

  

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55. "Agreed. I'm being patient. "
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>Don't blow your wad before you even seen it.

Thing is this: its already perfectly acceptable to
say:

"kerry washington is basically a macguffin"

in a review.

When that's the case, the trolling is done for me.

I can actually have a serious conversation about it
and it will come across as trolling.

PTP is turning into the Lesson in that way; so knee
deep in insecure music opinions is the Lesson
that rational discussion is deemed hateful and troll-like.




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57. "Stop replying then. Make the people miss you"
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It's been way too obvious these past few months. Study Mistermaxx. That dude goes quiet for months and returns with a tsunami entertainment.

I'd say "Come back after you see it", but, honestly, the more I think about it, this whole Django campaign is way too predictable for you. You'd be better off finding some new angles on Zero Dark Thirty or something else unexpected.

Maxx is great because he makes people talk about the shit he wants to talk about (R. Kelly, Bee Gees etc etc). Your trolling has been weak lately because you're jumping on shit the Lesson already like to talk about (Tarantino, Kendrick, Lupe etc etc).

  

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58. "Appreciate it. Stalkers like you make it worth it, though. "
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Problem is, people like you get mad at the
mere sight of an Orbit_Established post.

You've probably already googled my name, plotting
other ways to follow me around.

Seriously -- how much better does it get than that?

So I can do what my stalkers suggest, or continue
being me and have stalkers like you.

I'm going to ride this strategy for a bit longer.

Thanks, boss.


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64. "I prefer happy stalkers. Stay focused. I need you. "
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Stay focused.



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56. "Great film"
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Seen it last night...best film I seen this year! & I've seen them all, other than "Thirty Dark Zero", which I hear is great. But this is a film only Tarantino can make and if your not a fan of his, u will probably have the same problems that u had with his previous films...which being on here for many years, I know many on here are not QT fans. To me...this film fits perfectly into the Tarantino universe, which I rank in quality...Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Reservoir Dogs, Kill Bill Vol 1 & 2, Django Unchained, Inglorious Basterds, and Death Proof.

  

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63. "Was it a virulent f*** you to the Confederate South? "
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I'm honestly just trying to get a handle on what
Tarantino's intentions were

Because I've heard about 74 different things about
how this "film is a splendid_____"
Insert:

a) spaghetti western

b) virulent fuck you to the confederate south

c) simple revenge film with an interesting context

d) postmodern take of race

e) All of the above




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59. "And I wasn't aware the Confederate South required a "f**k you*"
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Being that the Confederate South was literally burned
to the ground post Civil War in one of the great Ls in
military/political history.

And I didn't even know that this was Tarantino's intention.

And you used 'virulent' out of context (actually, you
plain misused it). Sort of tipped me off to what the
rest of the argument was going to be like.


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62. "See post 57"
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65. "Posts 58 and 64. Stay focused. "
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Honestly -- I need you.

The stalkers are a part of my legend.

I'm being serious. It legitimizes my presence.

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67. "You're going to be better off pulling a 180 and loving it..."
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just some friendly advice though. You're already bogged down replying this thread responding to everyone making you mad.

  

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68. "Posts 58 and 64. I need you, dogg. "
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Stay with me, stay with me.

When I get accused of trolling, I can just point
to you stalking every reply. You feed the beast.

But to be honest, I'm actually just asking some honest
questions about the film.


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78. "Im just glad I mean so much to you"
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79. "*daps* "
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Without my stalkers, I'm literally a
nobody

Appreciate it, champ

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80. "Daps back and thanks you for the quick response"
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69. "Can you please explain how he misused virulent?"
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Mon Dec-10-12 10:24 PM by The Analyst

  

          

Definition: Bitterly hostile or antagonistic; hateful

Synonyms: vicious, vindictive, bitter, hostile, malicious, resentful, acrimonious, malevolent, spiteful, venomous

EDIT: I'm not even saying you're wrong. I really want to know.

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73. "This "virulent" discussion is a metaphor for QTs career"
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Mon Dec-10-12 11:51 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          


Its amazing.

You guys have no idea what you're doing, and literally
create ideas out of thin air, and try to be intelligent
when you create them.

Problem is, because you don't know what you're talking
about, said idea or opinion comes across as shallow
and sophomoric instead of nuanced and insightful.

This is how most Tarantino reverence is.

Its mostly bullshit.


>Definition: Bitterly hostile or antagonistic; hateful
>
>Synonyms: vicious, vindictive, bitter, hostile, malicious,
>resentful, acrimonious, malevolent, spiteful, venomous
>
>EDIT: I'm not even saying you're wrong. I really want to
>know.

This is what Professional did:

He/she thought of a word, then googled the thesaurus for
synonyms that made him/her sound intelligent.

They came up with "virulent."

A "fuck you" to a part of the country for something
that happened 200 years ago cannot be "virulent."

Infections are "virulent." Viruses are "virulent."
Bacteria are "virulent." Just google "virulent" and
see for yourself.

Some social scientists use "virulent" in the context
of racism/classism, etc, but that's an extension of
a social ills=biological ills metaphor.

Very rarely is "virulent" used with stuff like hatred,
because there are zillions or better, more intelligent,
more specific modifiers. "Virulent" just doesn't work
that well there, unless you're extending the metaphor
to actual illness.

I've read other uses of the word, but almost none of
them are used properly.



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271. "wrong"
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>Very rarely is "virulent" used with stuff like hatred,



next
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118. "it can still take a few drops of piss upon its ashened carcass tho"
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121. "A lot of southern black folks thought it was excessive"
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Thu Dec-13-12 07:42 AM by Orbit_Established

  

          

As it crippled the southern economy, brought a lot
of free blacks right back into slavery-like work conditions,
further galvanized white resentment of blacks

A lot of black folks just wanted some basic protections,
right to wages, etc, we really didn't need all that
extra shit

Plus, lotta blacks bounced north and west anyway

Lots stayed too, but damn, not even they could establish
anything there

All that burning the south to the ground shit was white
men being mad at white men; they weren't thinking about
black people.


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122. "I understand, but LOL... "
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it's kind of an Ice Cube, "who are they to be equal to?" (or rather, "who are they with whom to empathize") situation when I consider them. That the white folks were mad at THOSE white folks is good, no matter the reason.

That butthurt (from taking that L) remains today, which I think largely inspired theprofessional's comment above (in fact, his very last sentence or so confirms it)

  

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124. "The American South is the most clowned region in, like, the world. "
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Its the lowest class, poorest, least educated place in
the wealthiest country in the world.

Everyone makes fun of it.

Literally nobody has anything good to say about it. Mitt
Romney openly clowned white southerners and they still
voted for him.

If Tarantino made a film to "piss on the confederate flag"
then he's pushing against a wide open door. Wouldn't surprise
me if he did, because he's not a very intelligent filmmaker.

The problem is that Tarantino didn't even do that.

He made a revenge western film about slavery, using a setting
that we're supposed to be sympathetic to.

The "confederate south" had nothing to do with it.


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150. "I can rock with that"
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Thu Dec-13-12 04:58 PM by Dr Claw

  

          

while Southerners are mocked, I still think the mocking is more "milquetoast". like "lol, look at these poor folks. look at these dumb folks. listen to them talk". that shit is just dumb. one's economic class, and level of education is almost never funny. customs aren't funny unless they're on some wild "Fleece" type shit.

but if you wanna make fun of the power structure/politics, I'm down 100% for that.

now granted I have not/and probably won't see the film, because after the "Dead Nigger Storage" scene in Pulp Fiction, I'm wary of anything involving Tarantino and race.

He kind of reminds me of those buttholes on the Internet who just say "nigger" like it's a preposition because there aren't any visible black people to put foot-to-ass (proverbial and otherwise) upon listening to it (see: Matt Drudge's Nigger Fit linked below by handle)

by the description, it kind of sounds like he's on the bullshit in that regard, but did OK for an action/western movie. just don't try to derive any meaning from it.

  

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66. "I just wasn't particularly entertained"
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The political/racial statements QT makes (or doesn't make IMO) can't make up for an ultimately flat movie.

  

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72. "i get it now, O_E...lmao...funny stuff, bro. "
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Mon Dec-10-12 11:35 PM by Basaglia

  

          

this is why i troll...shit like this DESERVES to be trolled.

and then you got niggas in here co-signing the lame shit like progressive niggas that snap they fingers after an awful poem at some dank ass hole in the wall where niggas gather to revel in their stupidity.

i can't wait to see this shit. i'm taking a pen and pad and just coming wit a big ass list of lame shit.

*edit...by the by...these dumb niggas cysing this dude's "eloquence" and the muhfucka don't even know difference between "hung" and "hanged"

i swear...these muhfuckas.

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74. "O_E is a Macguffin for Basaglia (c) Pass the Popcorn"
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I'm only here to push your agendas along










Ba, I need a vacation. Just tired, dogg.

I'm dating a pretty hot chick. I need to go somewhere
warm, nigga. Hot, nigga. Have a DRANK in my hand, nigga.

No monuments. No "trying to get to know the people."

Fuck that.

Umbrella in my drank.

Umbrella in my drank.


I'm tired, Ba.

I don't know if my posting will descend into me being
black and angry...recall like back in 2006 I was making
niggas so mad re: QT that cats was sending me inboxes
asking me to stop posting because I was ruining their
childhood by making them question QT movies, that Pulp
Fiction helped him get through hard times and now
he don't enjoy, etc...that's why I stopped

Or if I'll just regress into an outright heckler, bereft
of any solid opinions on anything...only thing that keeps
me around is that I'm occasional serious and right about
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81. "lol, the agenda trolls are swarming = QT won already"
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listen, fellas, i respect your hustle. i get the whole mad nigga industrial complex. but, really, it starts looking sad and desperate when y'all fire this many shots at a movie you haven't even seen yet. it starts looking sad and desperate when y'all start breaking out your dictionaries and turning into grammar ladies to find some reason to be mad. by the way, morons:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virulent
"4: objectionably harsh or strong <virulent criticism>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
"In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or maguffin) is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other motivator that the protagonist (and sometimes the antagonist) is willing to do and sacrifice almost anything to pursue, protect or control, often with little or no narrative explanation as to why it is considered so important."

but, oh, snap! he mixed up "hung" and "hanged"! yep, i knew it, django gonna be garbage!!

yeah, stop. it's sad. you're embarrassing yourselves. go back to the sports board. agenda trolling doesn't work here in PTP when you 1) start going at movies before you've seen them, 2) get desperate and go off on tangents about grammar and vocabulary, 3) pick targets this incredibly wrong for your agenda. do yourselves a favor and walk away from this post till you've seen the movie. spend the next two weeks in oksports lobbying for reggie bush as MVP, then go pay tarantino your money to see django unchained, THEN come back here and cry to everybody about it.

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84. "Your post was a virulent macguffin for the zombie apocalypse "
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>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virulent
>"4: objectionably harsh or strong <virulent criticism>"

You used it wrong. You've never used the word in your
life, nor have you ever read it. You don't understand
context, at all.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
>"In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or maguffin) is a
>plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other
>motivator that the protagonist (and sometimes the antagonist)
>is willing to do and sacrifice almost anything to pursue,
>protect or control, often with little or no narrative
>explanation as to why it is considered so important."

You used Macguffin wrong. You don't really understand
what a plot device is. You said that in your post because
you thought it made you sound smart.

>but, oh, snap! he mixed up "hung" and "hanged"! yep, i knew
>it, django gonna be garbage!!

You can confuse whatever you want. Basa was saying that
its comedy that someone say you were "eloquent" when you
were literally the opposite of eloquent.

>yeah, stop. it's sad. you're embarrassing yourselves. go
>back to the sports board. agenda trolling doesn't work here
>in PTP when you 1) start going at movies before you've seen
>them, 2) get desperate and go off on tangents about grammar
>and vocabulary, 3) pick targets this incredibly wrong for your
>agenda. do yourselves a favor and walk away from this post
>till you've seen the movie. spend the next two weeks in
>oksports lobbying for reggie bush as MVP, then go pay
>tarantino your money to see django unchained, THEN come back
>here and cry to everybody about it.

Oh, QT gonna eat extremely well as long as niggas like you
keep writing reviews like that.

And that's better for me as a critic.

So if QT eat, I eat.

Ain't the universe a great place?

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85. "that nigga don't know nothing about universal symmetry, dogg"
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>Oh, QT gonna eat extremely well as long as niggas like you
>keep writing reviews like that.
>
>And that's better for me as a critic.
>
>So if QT eat, I eat.
>
>Ain't the universe a great place?
>
>: - )
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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90. "good, keep multiplying your L"
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maybe if you keep joking about the words "virulent" and "macguffin," everyone will ignore the half dozen posts above where you demonstrate in paragraphs worth of detail that you have absolutely no idea what either of those words mean. you're not even arguing with me anymore, you're arguing with merriam-webster. good luck with that.

but what i'm definitely not gonna do is debate QT's virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south with someone who thinks i'm talking about a bacterial infection. what i'm definitely not gonna do is debate kerry washington's role as the macguffin with someone who hasn't seen the film and doesn't know what a macguffin is. so remedy all those situations first, then come talk to me about it. in other words, see you in two weeks. in the meantime, keep saving up your money and practicing these words: "one for django unchained, please."

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91. "dude, been buying tickets for other films to see QT movies for YEARS"
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you can drop that one.

O_E, pay for another movie and stroll right in.

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92. "Uhh I been doing that since like '95. "
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>you can drop that one.
>
>O_E, pay for another movie and stroll right in.

How the fuck you think Tyler Perry movies make
so much?

According to my purchases, I saw Madea Goes to Jail
about four times (didn't see it once).

Yeah, I'm gonna lean children's movie. Probably grab
a Wreck It Ralph ticket and walk into Django.

  

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93. "i'll see whatever's most ignant at magic in largo"
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115. "he should probably buy a dictionary instead"
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120. "Nah, I'd rather just virulently google thesaurus.com like you"
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Cheaper that way


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119. "*****SLOW CLAP******"
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You got me fired up to see this shit. I don;t just break out the slow clap for anyone.

  

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209. "well damn, i haven't even seen the movie but *starting slow clap*"
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shit, my fingertips are burning, lol

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254. "You nailed what I loved about the film."
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"In short, this is the first film i've seen that accurately portrays the confederate south as-- in a history littered with slavery and genocide-- quite possibly the most morally corrupt society that has ever existed."

The film squats over and takes a shat on the romanticized notion that there was some grand Gone With the Wind high culture in the South worthy of preserving.

I can't understand any of the arguments that this film in any way glorifies the confederate South. And then in the same breath argues that the film uses the word nigger too much doesn't.make.any.sort.of.logical sense.

I understand why Drudge Report felt it was excessive. It reminds people how ugly white folks have been through most of its history. But why are black people complaining that the movie's depiction of slave owners was tooo....unpleasant?


100+ post in, you are winning the discussion.

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290. "i don't get this either"
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>But why are black people complaining that the
>movie's depiction of slave owners was tooo....unpleasant?

anyone complaining that the film's characters are too racist, that the N-words are too numerous is basically asking for a watered down depiction of slavery. which puts them squarely on the side of avowed racists who are pretending to be offended at the use of the N-word, but are really offended that slavery is being depicted as it was and slave owners are being depicted as the villains they were. it's like, look around you, folks. look at the people cheering the film-- film critics and awards, NAACP, henry louis gates-- and look at the people offended by it-- drudge, limbaugh, fox news-- and ask yourself whether you really think you're on the right side of history here.

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379. "^^^ this post needs more attention ^^^"
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269. "welp"
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>though the revenge fantasy is just as sweet as inglourious,
>the bravery required of the filmmaking here surpasses it.
>almost no one anywhere defends nazis. you can shoot hitler
>all day with impunity. the confederate flag, on the other
>hand, still flies-- legally protected from desecration in five
>states-- all over america. with django unchained, tarantino
>carefully unfurls that flag, holds it up high for public view,
>then takes a long, satisfying piss all over it.

interesting point here
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321. "RE: a masterpiece, the most virulent "f*** you" to the confederate south"
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in short, this is the first film i've seen
>that accurately portrays the confederate south as-- in a
>history littered with slavery and genocide-- quite possibly
>the most morally corrupt society that has ever existed.

I totally disagree with this statement. There's no way possible you think this is the most accurate account of slavery on film. That doesn't even make sense. There's 2 beatings, and one account of torture, and a murder (which wasn't even done by human hands). None of the other unmentionable dastardly deeds are shown.

>
>as for the performances, the chemistry between foxx and waltz
>is fire. i wish foxx had played it a little less low-key at
>times, as i thought it left django's character a bit lifeless,
>though i absolutely bought him as a gun-slinging cowboy. i'm
>curious what will smith would've done with the role, though i
>can see why he passed; the risk to the smith brand here
>would've been immense. no oscar nod is worth risking willow's
>next album. but really, this is a film carried by its
>supporting actors, the men django meets along his journey. in
>a just world, don johnson, leonardo dicaprio, and sam jackson
>would all be up for oscars. as it is, i think we'll have to
>settle for leo's first, in what for him is a career-defining
>performance. his calvin candie is every bit as charismatic
>and seething with quiet evil as waltz's villain in
>inglourious. the scene where he's explaining the intricate
>"differences" between the negro skull and the white skull is
>spectacular, showcasing the best of both leo and QT's skills
>and revealing the pure psychosis of 19th century racism (which
>necessarily had to be extreme to justify the scale and scope
>of the society they had built) in a way that most portrayals
>of slavery don't come close to. johnson and jackson have
>scenes and dialogue with similar effect. but the leo for
>supporting actor train boards here.

The best thing about the film is right here. The supporting performances in this film were incredible. Waltz was incredible, and Don Johnson was a gem in his small role.

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322. "You really didn't read what he wrote."
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>in short, this is the first film i've seen
>>that accurately portrays the confederate south as-- in a
>>history littered with slavery and genocide-- quite possibly
>>the most morally corrupt society that has ever existed.
>
>I totally disagree with this statement. There's no way
>possible you think this is the most accurate account of
>slavery on film. That doesn't even make sense. There's 2
>beatings, and one account of torture, and a murder (which
>wasn't even done by human hands). None of the other
>unmentionable dastardly deeds are shown.


Read that sentence again. He didn't say it was the most accurate account of slavery on film. Like, that's not even close to what he said.

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324. "RE: You really didn't read what he wrote."
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>>in short, this is the first film i've seen
>>>that accurately portrays the confederate south as-- in a
>>>history littered with slavery and genocide-- quite possibly
>>>the most morally corrupt society that has ever existed.
>>
>>I totally disagree with this statement. There's no way
>>possible you think this is the most accurate account of
>>slavery on film. That doesn't even make sense. There's 2
>>beatings, and one account of torture, and a murder (which
>>wasn't even done by human hands). None of the other
>>unmentionable dastardly deeds are shown.
>
>
>Read that sentence again. He didn't say it was the most
>accurate account of slavery on film. Like, that's not even
>close to what he said.

You know you're right. I misread that statement. I still disagree about it though. I didn't get a feeling for the confederate south at all after seeing it. It seemed more like the focus on slavery and those involved than the people around it. But I understand his point that everyone was implicit and deserved retribution.

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60. "So Tarantino thinks the Confederate South didn't get punished bad enough"
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So he made a movie 200+ years later to give the
confederate south the f*** you it deserves.

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82. "maybe it's a 'fuck you' to the South right now?"
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god knows they've earned it.

  

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83. "So does he say f*** you to the north in his next film? "
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Because they've earned it to.

And what about the midwest?

And west coast?

How about southeastern England?

When is their film?

  

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88. "hey, that sounds fun."
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89. "Yeah, it'll be a Spaghetti eastern. "
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270. "easy there baby steps dude"
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you see how they reacted to this


if he does a wallstreet money sunk in slavery revenge film...
we might actually have a war on our hands



people can barely handle this flick
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94. "Drudge report linked to the Hollywood Reporter review"
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People on Okayplayer.com think Quentin is destroying black America, Drudge commenters think he's destroying white America.

Read the comments.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/django-unchained/review/399663

  

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95. "RE: Drudge report linked to the Hollywood Reporter review"
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>People on Okayplayer.com think Quentin is destroying black
>America, Drudge commenters think he's destroying white
>America.
>
>Read the comments.
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/django-unchained/review/399663


People are only saying that because Foxx talked about "killing all the white people" on SNL and the way the film's being advertised most people probably assume it's some sort of nat turner adaptation. Anyone who actually saw the film or read the script knows that the vast majority of the film is the complete opposite depiction w/ most of the screen time devoted to the torture and oppression of black slaves.

Nobody is saying QT is destroying black america btw. more that he is acting as significant accomplice in destroying the values and ethics of people in general and spreading social tension while lending credence to faux identity politics.

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96. "Yeah, QT is a bad man"
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He didn't even call Hitler a n*gger!

(Leaves thread)

EDIT: Replaced i with *, I don't want to be accused on being a QT lover.

  

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97. "Now, if a sentence in this thread ever deserved to get clowned..."
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aka

wat

>Nobody is saying QT is destroying black america btw. more that
>he is acting as significant accomplice in destroying the
>values and ethics of people in general and spreading social
>tension while lending credence to faux identity politics.

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99. "Nah, it was just a Macguffin. Not central to the post."
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104. "lol. But you keep on bringing up that food line"
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This nigga upstairs said Tarantino's is an accomplice to destroying ethics and causing social tension.

yet the pro-tarantinoites are the problem, lol.

  

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111. "o so Macguffin = Egg McMuffin?"
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100. "The fuck."
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i'm out.
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98. "A lot of mad in this thread"
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101. "Platinum with 13 days til release."
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That's all.

Sigh.

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102. "^Plot device"
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103. "For people who have seen it: how is food used? "
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And does this film further make you appreciate food?

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105. "Nominated for 3 NAACP Image Awards including Best Picture"
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the plot thickens!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/flight-django-unchained-naacp-image-401415



The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) announced nominations for the annual Image Awards on Tuesday.
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Winners will be announced during the two-hour event airing live on Friday, Feb. 1 on NBC.

PHOTOS: The 8 Studio Picks for Best Picture Oscar

Robert Zemeckis’ Flight, Quentin Tarantino’s Django Unchained will compete for best motion picture against Beasts of the Southern Wild, Red Tails and Tyler Perry’s Good Deeds. The Weinstein Company leads with four nominations, and Lionsgate and Paramount Pictures follow with four in the motion picture category.

On the television side, ABC and CBS lead the nominees in the TV categories with 20 and 12 nominations respectively, followed by HBO and Lifetime with 10 and NBC with nine.

See the complete list of nominations below:

MOTION PICTURE

Motion Picture
"Beasts of the Southern Wild" (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
"Django Unchained" (The Weinstein Company)
"Flight" (Paramount Pictures)
"Red Tails" (Lucasfilm)
"Tyler Perry's Good Deeds" (Lionsgate)

Actor in a Motion Picture
Denzel Washington - "Flight" (Paramount Pictures)
Jamie Foxx - "Django Unchained" (The Weinstein Company)
Morgan Freeman - "The Magic of Belle Isle" (Magnolia Pictures)
Suraj Sharma - "Life of Pi" (20th Century Fox)
Tyler Perry - "Alex Cross" (Summit Entertainment)

Actress in a Motion Picture
Emayatzy Corinealdi - "Middle of Nowhere" (AAFRM)
Halle Berry - "Cloud Atlas" (Warner Bros. Pictures)
Loretta Devine - "In The Hive" (Eone Entertainment)
Quvenzhané Wallis - "Beasts of the Southern Wild" (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
Viola Davis - "Won't Back Down" (20th Century Fox)

PHOTOS: Denzel Washington: His Life and Career in Pictures

Supporting Actor in a Motion Picture
David Oyelowo - "Middle of Nowhere" (AFFRM)
Don Cheadle - "Flight" (Paramount Pictures)
Dwight Henry - "Beasts of the Southern Wild" (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
Lenny Kravitz - "The Hunger Games" (Lionsgate)
Samuel L. Jackson - "Django Unchained" (The Weinstein Company)

Supporting Actress in a Motion Picture
Amandla Stenberg - "The Hunger Games" (Lionsgate)
Gloria Reuben - "Lincoln" (The Walt Disney Studios)
Kerry Washington - "Django Unchained" (The Weinstein Company)
Phylicia Rashad - "Tyler Perry's Good Deeds" (Lionsgate)
Taraji P. Henson - "Think Like a Man" (Screen Gems)

Independent Motion Picture
"Beasts of the Southern Wild" (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
"Chico & Rita" (GKIDS)
"Red Tails" (Lucasfilm)
"Unconditional" (Harbinger Media Partners)
"Woman Thou Art Loosed: On the 7th Day" (Codeblack)

International Motion Picture
"Chico & Rita" (GKIDS)
"For Greater Glory: The True Story of Cristiada" (ARC Entertainment)
"Special Forces" (eOne Films)
"The Intouchables" (The Weinstein Company)
"The Raid: Redemption" (Sony Pictures Classics)

PHOTOS: 43rd Annual NAACP Image Awards Red Carpet Arrivals

DOCUMENTARY

Documentary - (Theatrical or Television)
"Black Wings" (Smithsonian Channel)
"Brooklyn Castle" (Producers Distribution Agency)
"First Position" (IFC Films)
"Marley" (Magnolia Pictures)
"On the Shoulders of Giants - The Story of the Greatest Team You've Never Heard Of" (Showtime)

TELEVISION

Comedy Series
"Glee" (Fox)
"Modern Family" (ABC)
"The Game" (BET)
"The Mindy Project" (Fox)
"The Soul Man" (TV Land)

Actor in a Comedy Series
Anthony Anderson - "Guys with Kids" (NBC)
Damon Wayans, Jr. - "Happy Endings" (ABC)
Don Cheadle - "House Of Lies" (Showtime)
Donald Faison - "The Exes" (TV Land)
Hosea Chanchez - "The Game" (BET)

Actress in a Comedy Series
Amber Riley - "Glee" (Fox)
Cassi Davis - "Tyler Perry's House of Payne" (TBS)
Kellita Smith - "The First Family" (Syndicated)
Tatyana Ali - "Love That Girl" (TV One)
Wendy Raquel Robinson - "The Game" (BET)

Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series
Aziz Ansari - "Parks and Recreation" (NBC)
Craig Robinson - "The Office" (NBC)
Donald Glover - "Community" (NBC)
Lance Gross - "Tyler Perry's House of Payne" (TBS)
Tracy Morgan - "30 Rock" (NBC)

Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series
Anna Deavere Smith - "Nurse Jackie" (Showtime)
Gabourey Sidibe - "The Big C" (Showtime)
Gladys Knight - "The First Family" (Syndicated)
Rashida Jones - "Parks and Recreation" (NBC)
Vanessa Williams - "Desperate Housewives" (ABC)

Drama Series
"Boardwalk Empire" (HBO)
"Grey's Anatomy" (ABC)
"Scandal" (ABC)
"Treme" (HBO)
"True Blood" (HBO)

Actor in a Drama Series
Dulé Hill - "Psych" (USA)
Hill Harper - "CSI: NY" (CBS)
LL Cool J - "NCIS: Los Angeles" (CBS)
Michael Clarke Duncan - "The Finder" (FOX)
Wendell Pierce - "Treme" (HBO)

Actress in a Drama Series
Chandra Wilson - "Grey's Anatomy" (ABC)
Kerry Washington - "Scandal" (ABC)
Khandi Alexander - "Treme" (HBO)
Regina King - "SouthLAnd" (TNT)
Sandra Oh - "Grey's Anatomy" (ABC)

Supporting Actor in a Drama Series
Clarke Peters - "Treme" (HBO)
Dev Patel - "The Newsroom" (HBO)
Omar Epps - "House M.D." (FOX)
Rockmond Dunbar - "Sons of Anarchy" (FX)
Rocky Carroll - "NCIS" (CBS)

Supporting Actress in a Drama Series
Archie Panjabi - "The Good Wife" (CBS)
Joy Bryant - "Parenthood" (NBC)
Loretta Devine - "Grey's Anatomy" (ABC)
Lucy Lui - "SouthLAnd" (TNT)
Rutina Wesley - "True Blood" (HBO)

Television Movie, Mini-Series or Dramatic Special
"Abducted: The Carlina White Story" (Lifetime)
"Hallmark Hall of Fame's FIRELIGHT" (ABC)
"Raising Izzie" (GMC TV)
"Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)
"Sugar Mommas" (GMC TV)

Actor in a Television Movie, Mini-Series or Dramatic Special
Afemo Omilami - "Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)
Cuba Gooding, Jr. - "Hallmark Hall of Fame's FIRELIGHT" (ABC)
Michael Jai White - "Somebody's Child" (GMC TV)
Rockmond Dunbar - "Raising Izzie" (GMC TV)
Tory Kittles - "Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)

Actress in a Television Movie, Mini-Series or Dramatic Special
Alfre Woodard - "Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)
Jill Scott - "Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)
Keke Palmer - "Abducted: The Carlina White Story" (Lifetime)
Phylicia Rashad - "Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)
Queen Latifah - "Steel Magnolias" (Lifetime)

Actor in a Daytime Drama Series
Aaron D. Spears - "The Bold and the Beautiful" (CBS)
Erik Valdez - "General Hospital" (ABC)
James Reynolds - "Days of Our Lives" (NBC)
Kristoff St. John - "The Young and the Restless" (CBS)
Rodney Saulsberry - "The Bold and the Beautiful" (CBS)

Actress in a Daytime Drama Series
Angell Conwell - "The Young and the Restless" (CBS)
Julia Pace Mitchell - "The Young and the Restless" (CBS)
Kristolyn Lloyd - "The Bold and the Beautiful" (CBS)
Shenell Edmonds - "One Life to Live" (ABC)
Tatyana Ali - "The Young and the Restless" (CBS)

News/ Information - (Series or Special)
"Ask Obama Live: An MTV Interview with The President" (MTV)
"Judge Mathis" (Syndicated)
"Save My Son with Dr. Steve Perry" (TV One)
"Unsung" (TV One)
"Washington Watch with Roland Martin" (TV One)

Talk Series
"Don't Sleep!" (BET)
"Oprah's Lifeclass" (OWN)
"Oprah's Next Chapter" (OWN)
"The View" (ABC)
"Totally Biased with W. Kamau Bell" (FX)

Reality Series
"Dancing with the Stars" (ABC)
"Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" (HBO)
"The X Factor" (FOX)
"Tia & Tamera" (Style)
"Welcome to Sweetie Pie's" (OWN)

Variety Series or Special
"Black Girls Rock" (BET)
"Oprah and the Legendary Cast of Roots 35 Years Later" (OWN)
"Oprah's Master Class" (OWN)
"The First Graduating Class: Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls" (OWN)
"Verses & Flow" (TV One)

Children’s Program
"Degrassi" (TeenNick)
"Kasha and the Zulu King" (BET)
"The Legend of Korra" (Nickelodeon)
"The TeenNick HALO Awards 2012" (Nick@Nite)
"The Weight of the Nation for Kids" (HBO)

Performance in a Youth/ Children’s Program - (Series or Special)
China Anne McClain - "A.N.T. Farm" (Disney Channel)
Keke Palmer - "Winx Club" (Nickelodeon)
Loretta Devine - "Doc McStuffins" (Disney Junior block on Disney Channel)
Nick Cannon - "The TeenNick HALO Awards 2012" (Nick@Nite)
Tyler James Williams - "Let It Shine" (Disney Channel)

RECORDING

New Artist
Elle Varner (MBK / RCA)
Gary Clark, Jr. (Warner Bros. Records)
Lianne La Havas (Nonesuch Records Inc. / Warner Bros. Records)
Melanie Amaro (Epic Records)
The OMG Girlz (Pretty Hustle / Grand Hustle / Streamline / Interscope)

Male Artist
Bruno Mars (Atlantic)
Lupe Fiasco (Atlantic)
Miguel (ByStorm / RCA)
Trey Songz (Atlantic)
Usher (RCA Records)

Female Artist
Alicia Keys (RCA Records)
Elle Varner (MBK / RCA)
Estelle (Atlantic)
Missy Elliott (Atlantic)
Tamela Mann (Tillymann Music Group)

Duo, Group or Collaboration
Chuck D, Johnny Juice, Will.i.am, Herbie Hancock (Iconomy Multi-Media & Entertainment)
fun. feat. Janelle Monae (Atlantic)
Lupe Fiasco feat. Guy Sebastian (Atlantic)
Mary Mary (Columbia)
Ne-Yo, Herbie Hancock, Johnny Rzeznik, Delta Rae, Natasha Bedingfield (Forward Song, LLC)

Jazz Album
"Bone Appetit " - Jeff Bradshaw (Hidden Beach)
"Dreams" - Brian Culbertson (Verve Records)
"Renaissance" - Marcus Miller (Concord Jazz)
"Seeds From The Underground" - Kenny Garrett (Mack Avenue Records)
"The Preservation Hall 50th Anniversary Collection" - The Preservation Hall Jazz Band (Legacy)

Gospel Album - (Traditional or Contemporary)
"Best Days" - Tamela Mann (Tillymann Music Group)
"Go Get It" - Mary Mary (Columbia)
"God, Love & Romance" - Fred Hammond (Verity Gospel Music Group)
"I Win" - Marvin Sapp (Verity Gospel Music Group)
"Le'Andria Johnson The Experience" - Le'Andria Johnson (Music World Gospel / Music World)

World Music Album
"Ayah Ye! Moving Train" - KG Omulo (KG Omulo)
"Country, God, Or The Girl" - K'NAAN (A&M / Octone Records)
"Diversionary" - Brother B (King Chero Records)
"Wonderful Life" - Estelle (Atlantic)

Music Video
"Adorn" - Miguel (ByStorm / RCA)
"Girl On Fire" - Alicia Keys (RCA Records)
"Locked Out Of Heaven" - Bruno Mars (Atlantic)
"This Christmas" - CeeLo Green (Elektra)
"You're On My Mind" - KEM (Universal Motown)

Song
"Be Mine for Christmas" - KEM (Universal Motown)
"Glorify the King" - KEM (Universal Motown)
"I Look To You" - Whitney Houston and R. Kelly (RCA Records)
"Locked Out Of Heaven" - Bruno Mars (Atlantic)
"You're On My Mind" - KEM (Universal Motown)

Album
"Bad - 25th Anniversary Deluxe Edition" - Michael Jackson (Legacy / Epic)
"Girl On Fire" - Alicia Keys (RCA Records)
"I Will Always Love You: The Best Of Whitney Houston" - Whitney Houston (RCA Records)
"On the Shoulders of Giants - The Soundtrack" - Chuck D, Will.i.am, Herbie Hancock, Nikki Yannofsky (Iconomy Multi-Media & Entertainment )
"Perfectly Imperfect" - Elle Varner (MBK / RCA)

LITERATURE

Literary Work - Fiction
"A Wish and a Prayer: A Blessings Novel" - Beverly Jenkins (HarperCollins Publishers (William Morrow Paperbacks))
"Destiny's Divas" - Victoria Christopher Murray (Touchstone / Simon & Schuster)
"Silent Cry" - Dywane Birch (Strebor Books)
"The Reverend's Wife" - Kimberla Lawson Roby (Grand Central's Wife)
"The Secret She Kept" - ReShonda Tate Billingsley (Gallery Books, a division of Simon & Schuster)

Literary Work - Non-Fiction
"Fraternity" - Diane Brady (Spiegel & Grau (Random House))
"Guest of Honor: Booker T. Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and the White House Dinner That Shocked a Nation" - Deborah Davis (Atria Books / Simon & Schuster)
"Power Concedes Nothing: One Woman's Quest for Social Justice in America, from the Courtroom to the Kill Zones" - Connie Rice (Scribner)
"The Courage to Hope" - Shirley Sherrod (Atria Books)
"The Oath: The Obama White House and the Supreme Court " - Jeffrey Toobin (Doubleday)

Literary Work - Debut Author
"A Cupboard Full of Coats" - Yvvette Edwards (HarperCollins Publishers (Amistad))
"Antebellum" - R. Kayeen Thomas (Strebor Books)
"Congo: Spirit of Darkness" - Mayi Ngwala (Genet Press)
"Nikki G: A Portrait of Nikki Giovanni in Her Own Words" - Darryl L. Lacy (Darryl L. Lacy (iUniverse))
"The Sister Accord: 51 Ways To Love Your Sister" - Sonia Jackson Myles (The Sister Accord, LLC)

Literary Work - Biography/ Auto-Biography
"Across That Bridge: Life Lessons and a Vision for Change" - John Lewis (Hyperion)
"Interventions: A Life in War and Peace" - Kofi Annan (The Penguin Press)
"The Black Count: Glory, Revolution, Betrayal, and the Real Count of Monte Cristo" - Tom Reiss (Crown Publishers)
"The Good Food Revolution: Growing Healthy Food, People, and Communities " – Will Allen (Gotham Books)
"The One: The Life and Music of James Brown" - RJ Smith (Gotham Books)

Literary Work - Instructional
"12 Ways to Put Money in Your Pocket Every Month Without A Part Time Job; The Skinny Book That Makes Your Wallet Fat" - Jennifer Matthews (Pickett Fennell Publishing Group)
"Formula 50: A 6-Week Workout and Nutrition Plan That Will Transform Your Life " – 50 Cent (Avery (Penguin Group))
"Health First: The Black Woman's Wellness Guide" - Eleanor Hinton Hoytt, Hilary Beard (SmileyBooks)
"It's Complicated (But It Doesn't Have to Be): A Modern Guide to Finding and Keeping Love" - Paul Carrick Brunson (Gotham Books)
"The No Excuse Guide to Success: No Matter What Your Boss or Life Throws at You" - Jim Smith, Jr. (Career Press)

Literary Work - Poetry
"Hurrah's Nest" - Arisa White (Virtual Artists Collective)
"Maybe the Saddest Thing" - Marcus Wicker (HarperCollins Publishers (Harper Perennial))
"Speak Water" - Truth Thomas (Cherry Castle Publishing)
"The Ground" - Rowan Ricardo Phillips (Farrar, Straus and Giroux)
"Thrall" - Natasha Trethewey (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt)

Literary Work - Children
"Fifty Cents and a Dream" - Jabari Asim (Author), Bryan Collier (Illustrator) (Little,nBrown Books for Young Readers)
"Harlem's Little Blackbird" - Renee Watson (Author), Christian Robinson (Illustrator) (Random House Books for Young Readers (Random House Children's Books))
"In the Land of Milk and Honey" - Joyce Carol Thomas (Author), Floyd Cooper (Illustrator) (HarperCollins / Amistad)
"Indigo Blume and the Garden City" - Kwame Alexander (Word of Mouth Books)
"What Color is My World?" - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Author), Raymons Obstfeld (Author), A.G. Ford (Illustrator) (Candlewick Press)

Literary Work - Youth/Teens
"Fire in the Streets" - Kekla Magoon (Simon & Schuster Children's Publishing)
"Obama Talks Back: Global Lessons - A Dialogue With America's Young Leaders" - Gregory Reed (Amber Books)
"Pinned" - Sharon G. Flake (Scholastic Press)
"The Diary of B. B. Bright, Possible Princess" - Alice Randall (Author), Caroline Williams (Author), Shadra Strickland (Illustrator) (Turner Publishing Company)
"The Mighty Miss Malone" - Christopher Paul Curtis (Wendy Lamb Books (Random House Children's Books))

WRITING

Writing in a Comedy Series
Karin Gist - "House of Lies" - Mini-Mogul (Showtime)
Marc Wilmore - "The Simpsons" - The Spy Who Learned Me (FOX)
Michael Shipley - "Last Man Standing" - High Expectations (ABC)
Prentice Penny - "Happy Endings" - Meet the Parrots (ABC)
Vali Chandrasekaran, Robert Carlock - "30 Rock" - Murphy Brown Lied to Us (NBC)

Writing in a Dramatic Series
Cheo Hodari Coker - "SouthLAnd" - God's Work (TNT)
Janine Sherman Barrios - "Criminal Minds" - The Pact (CBS)
Shonda Rhimes - "Grey's Anatomy" - Flight (ABC)
Shonda Rhimes - "Scandal" - Sweet Baby (ABC)
Zoanne Clack - "Grey's Anatomy" - This Magic Moment (ABC)

Writing in a Motion Picture - (Theatrical or Television)
Elizabeth Hunter - "Abducted: The Carlina White Story" (Lifetime)
John Gatins - "Flight" (Paramount Pictures)
John Ridley, Aaron McGruder - "Red Tails" (Lucasfilm)
Keith Merryman, David A. Newman - "Think Like a Man" (Screen Gems)
Ol Parker - "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" (Fox Searchlight Pictures

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
-Cee-Lo

"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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kayru99
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106. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSYhBuzDD7g"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSYhBuzDD7g

  

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navajo joe
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107. "HA"
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but that's from the BET Awards

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
-Cee-Lo

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theprofessional
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116. "the NAACP's judgment has clearly been clouded"
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by actually seeing the film. would somebody who hasn't seen it please explain to them how racist it is?

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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Orbit_Established
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130. "Agreed. Let's hope Django can compete with the mighty 'Red Tails'"
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Now THAT was a masterpiece

I especially liked the love interest thing they
threw in there on the last day of shooting, just
to jazz it up a tad, make it less virulent

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BLACK_ADAM
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135. "Just saw Red Tails... It T'weren't no Ragtime..."
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Can you say Garbage in French though???


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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164. "I'm scanning this post to avoid spoilers but...."
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Did you just say "let's hope"?

As in you've got HALF the replies in here without having seen this?

Goodness.

You are mad as shit dude.

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Beamer6178
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112. "channeling Radin on this one...need an OKPstorian"
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who can trace when it began exactly where differences in opinion or harsh criticisms of something led to personal attacks on people's self-worth, values, intellect, etc?

not placing blame on anyone person, or really focusing on any one topic, just noticed much of what is being debated has little to do with THIS movie, moreso retaliation for previous movies/discussions.

i'm hardly saying we need to join hands and kumbaya it out, but it basically reduces any movie post that has controversy or "history" on OKP to a minefield waiting to be set off at anytime. there's enough intelligent people on here to not need to result to insults when disagreeing but it seems to be the way of life on here and has been for a very long time.

  

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113. "Conjuring Radin's name here is extremely poor form. "
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If you have a problem with how we're posting
about a movie, just say it.

Using Radin to to establish moral high ground is inappropriate,
so inappropriate that I think this post should probably be
locked or at least your post deleted.


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ninjitsu
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114. "agreed."
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125. "Yeah that was wack"
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Beamer6178
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133. "you're missing my point, and how shocking is that"
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instead of you actually ADDRESSING my question, you're on to some otherness...

i didn't name names, i actually don't have a problem but i would like to know where it started...


>If you have a problem with how we're posting
>about a movie, just say it.
>
>Using Radin to to establish moral high ground is
>inappropriate,
>so inappropriate that I think this post should probably be
>locked or at least your post deleted.

i don't believe you or anyone else has the monopoly on mention of an untimely deceased poster. i can't deny that cats put their guns down for a minute and actually just communicated for a minute. in order for my point not to get washed away or lumped in as fodder or crying or some other snark shit, i prefaced it with that, and HONESTLY wonder when it started or if it had always been.

there's no moral high ground at all, or else i would have said "THIS SHIT HAS TO STOP" i made it quite clear it wasn't taking shots or bashing anyone. you think i have a problem with calling someone out? you're clearly not paying attention.

but i did write with an expectation of an actual answer to the question, which has yet to be provided.

good job

you call yourself a critic who will get paid if this movie makes bank so you'll be honest and fair there. my question is why do so many (far from just you) take to personal insults if someone disagrees on movie tastes? now you can write ten more paragraphs about instructions for the mere mention of Radin or perhaps you or SOMEONE will answer the question.

  

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126. "lol, O_E said he was going to "hold off""
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couldn't help himself and came back 25 replies later to argue. all this for a movie he presumably hasn't seen yet (the people your friend Basa hates btw).

  

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129. "Eh yo chill with the virulence, joke tella"
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>couldn't help himself and came back 25 replies later to
>argue. all this for a movie he presumably hasn't seen yet (the
>people your friend Basa hates btw).

I'm not even talking about the movie

I'm talking about the history of the confederacy,
virulence and plot devices

So fall back

  

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141. "right, but you're arguing with how people describe the movie"
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that you haven't seen yet.

what??? people think a movie means different things? shocking.

  

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143. "Nah, I'm talking about virulence and the confederate south"
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>that you haven't seen yet.
>
>what??? people think a movie means different things?
>shocking.

Movie could be a masterpiece for all I know

But if its a "virulent f*** you to the confederate south," then
I question the motives, because the confederate south doesn't
need a "f*** you" in 2012 and this coming from a descendent
of slaves from North Carolina.

Place was burned to the ground post civil war which probably made
it harder for blacks in the South in the long run -- by destroying southern
infrastructure, it encouraged a lawlessness, created a larger white
underclass who scapegoated blacks even worse

Black people ain't ask for all that

Just for some freedom, right to wages

Again: all that was vengeance and white men exerting their
power and authority

Black people was down souf like: "Ummm we free, they took an
L over the war, fall back with all these hydrogen bombs, B, they
got the fucking message"

black people didn't need the south burned to the ground for Rosewood
to blossom Blacks were self reliant, happy to go toe to toe with whites
in the economy.....umm, they already knew how to grow crops
better than whites

After the south was burned to the ground, wasn't nothing there
for blacks to do but go back to work on plantations in chain
gangs, move north, or buy a cowboy hat and move west


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147. "the "is this movie necessary?" discussion is a slippery slope though."
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nazis don't need any more bad press either, but inglourious won't be the last movie about how bad nazis were. nor should it be.

the movie takes place before the civil war, so we don't know the character's or filmmaker's view of the civil war, emancipation, or the aftermath of either of those. it's just dealing with one guy's struggle to be free and exact revenge on slave owners. is a post-civil war movie more necessary/relevant? probably, but why is that on QT? he wasn't trying to make that film. if anything, this complaint lies more on Lincoln than Django.

more simply: i haven't seen the film, but from the ads/trailers it looks like he's mostly going for comedy, so imo this discussion is already WAY too serious for this film. there's two types of comedy films: funny and unfunny. that doesn't absolve them of all social responsibility or necessity, but pretty close.

  

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148. "Solid point, because, to quote O_E from the LINCOLN post:"
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>if anything, this complaint lies
>more on Lincoln than Django.

"For all the people saying that you didn't need
to show the evils of slavery to make the film:

Trust me, I was ready to pounce on black bohosexuals
for crying about Frederick Douglass, and after I saw it
I'm sad to admit that they had a point

Not about Douglass specifically, but the greater point:

The movie is impotent if we don't give a fuck about why
slavery is bad, and no, contrary to the assumptions of the
filmmaker(s), that isn't the type of thing that is just
assumed."

Is it different here because it's a less "serious" movie? Or it's seen as being self-indulgent or gratuitous on Tarantino's part?

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152. "LMMFAO!!! And y'all wonder why I act like such an asshole"
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Are you comparing a Spaghetti Western set in slavery
times to a political drama about the 13th amendment?

Pass the Popcorn, folks.

I mean, goddamn.


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153. "Not really, just curious to see how you'd respond.."
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>Are you comparing a Spaghetti Western set in slavery
>times to a political drama about the 13th amendment?

But honestly, at this point I'm having a hard time remembering what the fuck we're all debating at this point.

You're a smart dude. I respect your opinion. I know that comparison doesn't really hold water, but we're all just trolling here, right?

And you know what, if people find this movie offensive, who the fuck am I to tell 'em they're wrong. Shit, I might find it offensive. I haven't seen it yet so I don't know.

It's not like dude is infallible. I don't think QT revolutionized the use of food in film or reinvented modern cinema. I like some of his shit well enough, but he's far from one of my favorite directors. I'll say this sucks if I see it and I think it sucks.

Whatever.

If we're being honest, I've been getting increasingly tired of his shtick. I'm hoping this will be good, but, who knows. Reviews haven't been bad as some people are saying, or as good as other people are saying. They're mostly in the "B" range.

As for the charges of racism, I tend to think he primarily wanted to a do a "revenge fantasy" and thought "what better than having slaves get revenge on their masters?" It's a not a tasteful decision no matter how you slice it, but on the flipside, there ain't a rule that says shit has to be tasteful. He probably believes he's "taking a piss on the Confederate flag," but whether or not he's actually doing it is a different story. (And whether or not the flag actually needed to be pissed on is a different story, too.)

Fuck it. I'll be back after I actually see it to weigh in.

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154. "You just compared Django to Lincoln, doggie. Go have a cold coke. "
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You need to relax, breathe


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158. "so did this guy. go have a warm pepsi."
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http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/12/the-django-wars/266215/

the comparison between lincoln and django is obvious: two really good films about slavery that both refreshingly show utter contempt for the confederate south, treating it as the wretched hive of scum and villainy it was. (best casting of the year: jackie earle haley, formerly freddy krueger in the elm street remake and a child molester in little children, playing confederate states of america VP alexander stephens in lincoln). you really are on the wrong side of this, O_E. the sooner you realize it, the better.

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159. "Bwahaha. Are you trying to make my point for me? "
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>http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/12/the-django-wars/266215/
>
>the comparison between lincoln and django is obvious: two
>really good films about slavery that both refreshingly show
>utter contempt for the confederate south, treating it as the
>wretched hive of scum and villainy it was. (best casting of
>the year: jackie earle haley, formerly freddy krueger in the
>elm street remake and a child molester in little children,
>playing confederate states of america VP alexander stephens in
>lincoln). you really are on the wrong side of this, O_E. the
>sooner you realize it, the better.

You posting hipster reviews that make the exact same arguments
as every other hipster

This is HELPING my cause, Einstein

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166. "wretched hive of scum and villainy?"
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Hey that's Star Wars!

  

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161. "you said QT should cover the post-civil war south"
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when this movie doesn't even touch the civil war. lincoln is a movie that covers the civil war and it's president, and doesn't address the post-civil war south.

so how is this on tarantino?

  

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theprofessional
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155. "your grasp of american history is atrocious"
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the best thing i can say about your analysis of reconstruction is that you spelled "north" and "south" correctly. everything else is spectacularly wrong. you should probably go back to analyzing the movie you haven't seen. you were way better at that.

for posterity:

>Place was burned to the ground post civil war which probably
>made
>it harder for blacks in the South in the long run -- by
>destroying southern
>infrastructure, it encouraged a lawlessness, created a larger
>white
>underclass who scapegoated blacks even worse
>
>Black people ain't ask for all that
>
>Just for some freedom, right to wages
>
>Again: all that was vengeance and white men exerting their
>power and authority
>
>Black people was down souf like: "Ummm we free, they took an
>L over the war, fall back with all these hydrogen bombs, B,
>they
>got the fucking message"
>
>black people didn't need the south burned to the ground for
>Rosewood
>to blossom Blacks were self reliant, happy to go toe to toe
>with whites
>in the economy.....umm, they already knew how to grow crops
>better than whites
>
>After the south was burned to the ground, wasn't nothing
>there
>for blacks to do but go back to work on plantations in chain
>gangs, move north, or buy a cowboy hat and move west

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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165. "Your grasp of macguffin history is virulent"
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326. "You're a fuckin clown dude."
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Your tired ass contrarian routine has gotten really old. How do you try so hard to oppose shit to the point you come off looking like a poser. That's quite a feat. If you don't like somethin simply just ignore it and move on with your life. Why wase all this time and energy badly trying to bash it.

  

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329. "maybe he genuinely fuckin disagrees"
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sorry a few of us are fuckin up this ridiculous circle jerk.

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127. "Yo... @CurtisScoon has been going IN for like two days...."
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This shit right here though:

"I wonder if I made a movie where a black man rapes jewish men and women and says kike over 100X but dies in the end would it be acceptable."


I can't say I don't see his point...


I get that it's QT's art/form of expression but....Wow... It just doesn't seem right on any level.


I just saw the thread so I'ma read through...but what say you all? What constitutes racism to you all. Is Black America giving Tarantino a pass or are cats overreacting?

  

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128. "Im just confused at the denial people have over what slavery was "
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Which seems to boil down to one of the popular criticisms on both sides.

>"I wonder if I made a movie where a black man rapes jewish men
>and women and says kike over 100X but dies in the end would it
>be acceptable."
>
>
>I can't say I don't see his point...

The problem is that this is the same point that the 'oh, it wasn't so bad' slavery denial crowd has, lol.

SLAVERY WAS VICIOUS AND SHOULD BE FUCKING HARD TO WATCH ON SCREEN.

Now, we can argue that Tarantino making it the backdrop of one of his set-pieces might be in bad taste...THAT's a legit gripe(or not, we will have to wait and see). But you know would would be in WORST taste? Watering it down.

I better see slave masters being as DESPICABLE as possible. That includes throwing the N word a million times, raping women, beating/mistreating/killing slaves. No matter who directs it; it should be offensive to watch no matter what the genre/purpose.

Having the slave masters simply being 'mean' to the slaves misses the whole point, because then people start to forget...

I mean, look at the comment section linked above:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/django-unchained/review/399663

You've got people INSISTING slavery wasn't bad and that their masters were kind/they wanted to live with them, LOL.

Like I said above, having it as a backdrop in a Tarantino action romp may be in bad taste. But if they have to use it, it better be fucking vicious. Anything less would be like having friendly Nazi guards trying to prove underneath it all 'They are really good people!' since everyone wants to make a Jewish correlation with this movie (and it's really apple and oranges)

It's like people want to forget the past.

  

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131. "Cool. So this film is a black, fictional Shindler's List? "
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That's what the defenders are saying.

I'll go in there with those expectations.

Appreciate it.

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132. "Ive got no idea what the movie is going to be like without seeing it"
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Unlike you, lol. But complaining that the slavery is too harsh on film is a WTF moment to me, lol.

  

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134. ""...and those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...""
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Word Son... I feel that response..

Despite what the movie may be about...especially since folks are trying to "offer an excuse" or highlight grains of socio-political commentary in this film...

This film helps no one....and I guess we're stuck between defining what it is supposed to be and what it really is or what it *intends* to represent.

Is this strictly for entertainment?

Is this an (expired) piece of socio-politcal commentary?

If entertainment...then entertainment for whom???

If "medicine wrapped in candy"...What sickness are we treating exactly?

What I've gleaned so far is that what subject matter needs to be serious isn't serious enough *if* this is *intended* as a teaching device....

How do you cite historical context as justification when you have to take creative license to infuse humor? If there is a message it has just been cheapened...

In short, that makes this product a lie... a mere device that sows discord.. Ain't shit entertaining about slavery



I dunno man.... Is it even possible to accurately name something nowadays?

I say ask Tarantino exactly what he calls this and decide for yourself whether or not his vision (as described by him) is bullshit...

One revenge fantasy does not soothe generations of scarred psyches

"Ayo the Devil planted fear inside the Black babies.." - GFK


Now the generations of trauma are trivialized.


So far, I call bullshit.


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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136. "I don't think we are on the same page, lol."
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>In short, that makes this product a lie... a mere device that
>sows discord..

I want discord and argument.

Im hoping the movie is good, but even if it ISN'T, just off the mad making it's been worth it.

We've all gotten a bit too comfortable with 'this post race' nonsense; let there be anger in the streets...it's better then the 'There is no racism' denial that Europe seems to have (while hating on arab/african immigrants)

This is a conversation that has nothing to do with the movie though, but id be willing to revisit it in a better place/time.

  

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138. "We are..."
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I don't mind discord as long as there's discussion....at least an attempt for folks to come to an accord...

What I meant though was that this film appears to be held sacred before it can be properly dissected.

Folks are staking "standards of blackness" on whether you would support this film or not. Lots of folks seem to feel disrespected and dismissed.

That term "hater" is also popping up loosely as well as the dynamic of censure.

My first mention of discord was meant to speak to folks being dismissive of the weight of the subject matter addressed...and the apparent undertone that this film seems to be affecting "black identity" somehow...


"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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140. "Let there be anger in the streets?"
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That's easy for you to say behind your damn keyboard. You'll be nowhere near the shit if it starts, which it won't

  

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142. "Yeah, I meant actual rioting and burning down of villages, lol"
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>That's easy for you to say behind your damn keyboard. You'll
>be nowhere near the shit if it starts, which it won't

You guys kill me.

  

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145. "Whether its literal or figurative"
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We dont need it. Your dischord and discourse is in that Hollywood reporter comments section. Nobody needs any more of that

  

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146. "I disagree ENTIRELY. If I could resize this font and make it bigger"
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I would, lol.

>We dont need it. Your dischord and discourse is in that
>Hollywood reporter comments section. Nobody needs any more of
>that

For many in Middle America we are in a post-racial Benneton ad where white people have wiped racism clean, so much so that anti-white racism(immigrants and negros getting our job through afirmative action!) is MORE of a problem , lol.

It's why when all those high school kids got caught by gawker with their racist tweets after the election the number one excuse (outside of saying someone 'hacked' their account) that they were 'joking.'

If this movie ends up being "Birth of A Nation 2: Electric Bugalaloo", I would LOVE it, because then you would have groups being all apologetic, other groups on some 'Yeah, he's right, darkies are worthless' etc.

Let's me know where everyone stands, lol. Ignorance breeds underground, shine a light on em all.

People read those hollywood reporter comments and think it's a bunch of hicks in West Virginia when in reality those are their parents/friends/SO's, etc.

Bring em out in the light.

  

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137. "The director of the film factors majorly in it for me"
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>Word Son... I feel that response..
>
>Despite what the movie may be about...especially since folks
>are trying to "offer an excuse" or highlight grains of
>socio-political commentary in this film...
>
>This film helps no one....and I guess we're stuck between
>defining what it is supposed to be and what it really is or
>what it *intends* to represent.

>Is this strictly for entertainment?
>
>Is this an (expired) piece of socio-politcal commentary?
>
>If entertainment...then entertainment for whom???
>
>If "medicine wrapped in candy"...What sickness are we treating
>exactly?
>
>What I've gleaned so far is that what subject matter needs to
>be serious isn't serious enough *if* this is *intended* as a
>teaching device....
>How do you cite historical context as justification when you
>have to take creative license to infuse humor? If there is a
>message it has just been cheapened...
>
>In short, that makes this product a lie... a mere device that
>sows discord.. Ain't shit entertaining about slavery
>
>
>
>I dunno man.... Is it even possible to accurately name
>something nowadays?
>
>I say ask Tarantino exactly what he calls this and decide for
>yourself whether or not his vision (as described by him) is
>bullshit...
>
>One revenge fantasy does not soothe generations of scarred
>psyches

you nailed it with all your points tho fam. I have no real desire to see this, or at least pay for it. Quentin Tarantino trades in "nigger" stock; this is like his IPO of it. I'm distrustful of him and his true motivations so was down on this idea the second I heard it.

I don't see how this will be HELPFUL. People already refuse to acknowledge how bad slavery or its vestiges have been, they can put this movie under the cover of "it's a Quentin Tarantino movie, all of his stuff is over the top" and whatever intended message he's trying to send (if taking him at good faith) would be lost. If it's taken seriously, it will be pegged as race baiting and trying to incite disharmony among the races in the "Obama era."

It will make money for sure. But I don't see it providing society with any enlightenment.

  

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139. "No doubt... Tarantino is a curious case to me.."
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I can't say he doesn't have talent.

I can say that his use of the word nigger is gratuitous and somewhat offensive.

I can say that I find some of his characters and images questionable.

For example:

A rich, Black gangster who is married to a white actress, chili pimps said wife to his Italian, heroin addicted hitman who happens to be "his nigga", and ultimately gets abducted by rednecks and is anally raped by them..

...while ball gagged....

"What does Marcellus Wallace look like???!!???!.." <~indeed


He can tell a story when he's focused. Pulp style storytelling and the "modern/retro 'B' movie" is his shit. He does well with those vehicles... I rather enjoyed Inglorious Basterds...

but...


Reginald Hudlin be damned.... That does not earn you a "PASS" to live action, Tex Avery...slavery...

...and did I mention that his nigger usage is gratuitous???

I just doesn't feel right....



"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."

  

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156. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^gets it"
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>SLAVERY WAS VICIOUS AND SHOULD BE FUCKING HARD TO WATCH ON
>SCREEN.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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144. "Questonable politics are really the least of this flick's problems"
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If you read the negative reviews, you'll see a bit of a consensus on its pacing and editing issues.

  

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151. "Haven't seen any yet. 100% on Rotten Tomatoes w/ 23 reviews."
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I mean, I'm sure they'll come, but anything I've read talking about pacing and shit like that is saying it's essentially a relatively minor issue.

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157. "he should lead the march on washington"
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of people who haven't seen the movie and aren't gonna take it anymore.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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160. "I think Tarantino should lead the actual March on Washington"
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Being that he understands race so well and knows how to deliver
virulent fuck yous to the confederate south

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162. "would love to see that actually...would be hilarious"
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and you still mad!

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163. "ok this was a good post, I must admit"
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211. "thing is, we should all know by now that QT is an equal opportunity"
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asshole.

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239. "Turns out he liked the movie too, so"
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http://twitter.com/CurtisScoon/status/283786167697158145

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167. "all this post achieved was getn the word "virulent" stuk in my hed"
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thanks guys.

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168. "Yo, can we talk about the actual movie tho?"
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Should I throw down the hot 12 bucks to see this on Christmas Day? Is the dialogue on point? How are the action scenes?

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169. "97% on Rotten"
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/django_unchained_2012/

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177. "i'm stunned it's being this well received critically"
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i figured it'd be hovering around 50-60%, given the subject matter. just seemed like one of those polarizing love-or-hate films. but like i said, it really is a masterpiece. QT's been hit or miss in the past, but he's really hitting his stride as a writer/director with these historical revenge flicks.

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170. "yes."
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it's flawed but wildly entertaining

  

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173. "Honest question: is it better than Naked Gun 33 1/3?"
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>it's flawed but wildly entertaining

Yeah, that's how I described Naked Gun 33 1/3

Right about as good as that?

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174. "You can't front on Naked Gun 33 1/3 -The Final Insult"
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Can you make this your Final Insult here?

http://movie-posters.lucywho.com/naked-gun-33-1-3-the-final-insult-movie-posters-t638535.html

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175. "It was "flawed by wildly entertaining" (c) Guiness"
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Naked Gun 33 1/3, that is

I'm wondering if Django Unchained was any better

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176. "Liar"
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>
>Naked Gun 33 1/3, that is
>I'm wondering if Django Unchained was any better
>
You are lying.

  

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178. "Wait -- you thought Nake Gun 33 1/3 wasn't flawed? "
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Or did you think it wasn't wildly entertaining?

Or both?


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179. "I didn't like it but worth a viewing for Dicaprio alone"
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Probably my new favorite performance by him. Be warned though, the movie is a mixed bag at best.


>Should I throw down the hot 12 bucks to see this on Christmas
>Day? Is the dialogue on point? How are the action scenes?

  

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181. "This thread is exhausting... "
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I'm working through Christmas but will be there on the 27th to check it out.

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182. "wasn't going to financially support this shit....."
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but might have to reconsider after reading this thread
just so i can appreciate the bleeding edge mad making that will ensue in here
got damn, yall better hope OE is too busy playing with his christmas toys on tuesday and can't go see this

btw i'd love to know the real reason why Will turned this down
we already know Sam Jack has questionable integrity when a paycheck is involved
and Foxx is 45+ yrs old and still taking dick pics and getting head tattoos
so those dudes being the two A list black actors involved with this doesn't exactly dissuade me from giving credence to ppl like Spike Lee's criticism of this film

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183. "What would will smith gain from being in this movie?"
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his brand shits all over QT's financially AND artistically.

Making a slavery comedy version of 48 hours meets the good bad and the ugly would be goofy as shit on will smith's part. Actually, it's goofy as shit as a premise, but, y'know....

  

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184. "http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120891/"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120891/

>Making a slavery comedy version of 48 hours meets the good bad
>and the ugly would be goofy as shit on will smith's part.
>Actually, it's goofy as shit as a premise, but, y'know....


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188. "Tarantino/Henry Louis Gates Interview from The Root pt 2 (Swipe)"
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http://www.theroot.com/views/tarantino-unchained-part-2-n-word

By: Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Posted: December 24, 2012 at 12:33 AM

In the second of a Q&A series, he talks critics and Django's depiction of slavery with Henry Louis Gates Jr.

(The Root) -- Since 1994's Pulp Fiction, the n-word been an issue -- not so much for Quentin Tarantino but for some of the viewers of his films. Why does he use it so liberally in his movies?

Things are no different with his latest film, Django Unchained, opening Christmas Day. In the postmodern, slave-narrative Western starring Jamie Foxx, Christoph Waltz and Leonardo DiCaprio as sadistic plantation owner Calvin Candie, the word "nigger," by some counts, is uttered 110 times.

In the second part of a three-part interview with The Root's editor-in-chief, Henry Louis Gates Jr., Tarantino explains exactly how he feels about critics of the n-word use in Django. The filmmaker also chats with Gates about the graphic and shocking ways he chose to depict the atrocities of slavery in the film and how he conceived of Samuel L. Jackson's despicable character, Stephen, Candie's head house slave.

Henry Louis Gates Jr.: Spike Lee's on your ass all the time about using the word "nigger." What would you say to black filmmakers who are offended by the use of the word "nigger" and/or offended by the depictions of the horrors of slavery in the film?

Quentin Tarantino: Well, you know if you're going to make a movie about slavery and are taking a 21st-century viewer and putting them in that time period, you're going to hear some things that are going to be ugly, and you're going see some things that are going be ugly. That's just part and parcel of dealing truthfully with this story, with this environment, with this land.

Personally, I find ridiculous. Because it would be one thing if people are out there saying, "You use it much more excessively in this movie than it was used in 1858 in Mississippi." Well, nobody's saying that. And if you're not saying that, you're simply saying I should be lying. I should be watering it down. I should be making it more easy to digest.

No, I don't want it to be easy to digest. I want it to be a big, gigantic boulder, a jagged pill and you have no water.

HLG: Well, guess what? You succeed at that. One of the things that will disturb people much more than the use of the n-word, or much more even than the horrors of slavery, was Samuel L. Jackson's amazing depiction of Stephen . His character, Stephen, makes Stepin Fetchit look like Malcolm X. Did you write that or did Sam riff on that? Was he improvising?

QT: Sam is a good writer. Some actors try to improvise and everything, but you know, frankly, if they're not just adding "mmms" and "aahs" or cusswords, that's actually called writing, and that's usually not what you hire actors to do. Having said that, he sprinkles the dialogue with his own little bit of Sam Jackson seasoning. But that character is on the page.

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And it was actually funny, because I talked to Sam on the phone after he had the script. When Sam heard I was writing it, I think he just assumed I was writing Django for him. And I think maybe I even kind of assumed that when I was writing it earlier on.

I think my idea initially -- very, very initially -- was I was gonna show Django's little origin story in a couple of scenes and then hop to after the Civil War. And have it be a Sam Jackson, older character. And then I decided, no, I can't do that. I'm missing the most important part of the story. So I decided to stay with the younger character.

So as I'm talking to Sam Jackson on the phone, I go, "As you can see, I kind of went a different way with the character. You're about 15 years too old for him."

"Yeah, I noticed that."

"So what do you think about Stephen?"

"What do you mean, what do I think about him?"

I go, "Do you have any problem playing him?"

"Do I have any problem playing the most despicable black motherf--ker in the history of the world?" "No, I ain't got no problem with that. No, man, I'm already in it. I'm working with my makeup guy now about the hair, the skin tone. I want this man to be fresh off the boat."

HLG: Why was it important for you to set up an opposition between the baddest black cowboy in the West, as Django, and the biggest Uncle Tom in the history of film, as Stephen? Why is that binary opposition important to your narrative structure?

QT: I've been dealing with this whole Western adventure idea , which has been playing out for a while -- and it's been playing out pretty good -- and then we go through that almost Heart of Darkness section, the procession to the Candieland plantation, and then getting to the Big House. But then when we get to the Big House, my idea is of the plantation owner at that time that had a big industrial, architectural plantation. I mean, the fourth-largest cotton plantation in Mississippi, which is what Candie's is -- that's like owning Dole Pineapple or something today. It's a big, moneymaking, commercial enterprise. And a plantation could be 40 miles long or 65 miles long or something.

HLG: Oh, the greatest economic boom in the history of the United States up until that time was from the cotton plantations in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia.

QT: Absolutely. And when you don't have to pay workers anything, you can have a family-run corporation. So you have all these slaves that are living on the plantation, and the plantation owner actually owns them; they're his property. But then you have all the white workers who also live on the grounds with their lives and their kids. So you have an entire community living on this piece of land. And when it's big enough and you have enough people there, those plantation owners literally are kings ...

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Exactly like the way a king can own their subjects and put them to death, they can do that with complete impunity when it comes to the slaves and pretty much do that with the poor whites, just without complete impunity. They have to come up with a way to do it. But they can still do it nevertheless.

And so the thing about it is in a fairy-tale term, they're going to the evil kingdom. And Broomhilda is the princess in the tower.

HLG: And you named that explicitly by including the tale within the tale, the myth within the myth.

QT: But when I actually got to Candieland, if we were going to really do this subject justice, we had to deal with the social strata that happens inside the plantation versus the field -- the kind of upstairs-downstairs aspect of how things work between the house slaves and the field slaves.

And in the script I wrote a big description for Stephen, and I said, "He's sort of like the characters that Basil Rathbone would play in adventures and swashbucklers, where he's the evil guy who has the king's ear. And he sits at the king's side whispering in the king's ear, holding on to his little fiefdom, and manipulating everybody through intrigues of thforum=4&page=2" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; InfoPath.3; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)"
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HLG: Let me ask you this, though. What about making Django Superman? How did he manage to dodge all those bullets and ride off unscathed? Obviously that's the mythic ending. Why was it important to keep him alive and make him a superhero rather than, as you say, killing him off?

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QT: On one hand, yeah, he doesn't get hit by these guys. At the same time, we actually show that they're such bad shots that they keep shooting each other.

But one of the things that I had to do -- nobody brings it up, and it's such a big deal -- you're used to seeing Hong Kong movies where guys have .45 automatics and Uzis, and they can do this and they can do that. You know, Django has six shots in each gun, and that's it. And this was before the time when they had actual case shells.

So it's like everything has to be prepared in that cylinder -- where it's like a little ball of lead, and the gun powder ... There's no, just like, emptying out your chamber and reloading. You have to prepare . So in that whole big gunfight, his one big job is to keep killing guys and taking their guns from them.

It was interesting, because on one hand I'm telling a historical story, and when it comes to nuts and bolts of the slave trade, I had to be real and had to tell it the right way. But when it comes to more thematic things and operatic view, I could actually have fun with stylization -- because it is taking parts from a spaghetti Western. And I am taking the story of a slave narrative and blowing it up to folkloric proportions and to operatic proportions that are worthy of high opera.

So I could have a little fun with it. One of the things I do is when the bad guys shoot people, the bullets usually don't blow people apart. They make little holes and they kill them and wound them, but they don't rip them apart. When Django shoots someone, he blows them in half.

HLG: I noticed that.

QT: And so obviously that I wasn't worried about historians having a hissy fit, because I made it so obvious in using the spaghetti Western ideal that life is cheap but death is expensive -- death has a price. I made the slaves unnaturally low for what they cost, selling them back and forth, but I made the bounties outrageously high.

HLG: I wondered about that. Why did you do that?

QT: That's just kind of a spaghetti Western thing. Life is cheap. Life is dirt. Life is a nickel. Life is a buffalo nickel. Life is a wooden nickel. But death is profit. Death can bring money. Death is gold.

HLG: I'm a scholar of slavery, and one of the things I notice in my classes is that we've become inured to the suffering and pain of slavery, that we've distanced ourselves enough from it, that people can't experience the terror, the horrible pain, the anxiety, the stress, et cetera, that came with the slave experience. I thought that in Django you really began to reinsert contemporary viewers into that pain, particularly through the scene when the dogs tear Candie's slave D'Artagnan apart. And by the way, I don't know if you know, but that actually happened. The French used these dogs in the Haitian revolution ...



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QT: Oh, yeah. They get these vicious dogs when they're just little puppies. Have black slaves beat them and torture them and withhold food from them, so those dogs got to fixate on black skin as an enemy.

HLG: What will you say when people criticize you -- because it is unsettling to see a man torn apart by dogs? How did you decide what to represent of the suffering the slaves went through?

QT: I write film criticism and film literature. I haven't published any of it yet, but I just collect it. You know, it keeps me writing and keeps me thinking artistically and analytically, and even critically.

And , I was working on a piece on Sergio Corbucci -- a big, big piece. He's the guy who wrote and directed the original Django. And I was looking at all of his spaghetti Westerns, and I got really enamored with the West he created, because it seems to me that the really great Western directors had their own version of the West that they presented.

And the thing that really started jumping out from Corbucci's cinema was that there was no West that was as brutal as his -- as the characters, the bad villains who ruled the story. No archetype can perform their function, except in contrast to the villain or in relationship to the villain. And the villains had a sense of depravity about them that was off the scale, and the other characters had such a pitiless nature, and life was cheap as hell. Violence was surreal.

And it really did seem like in his cowboy pictures what he truly was dealing with was fascism -- which makes sense, as Italy was getting out from under Mussolini's boot heel not so long ago -- just gussied up with cowboy-Mexican iconography. Even when his outlaws would take over a town or something, it had the feeling of a Nazi occupation, and with Holocaust-like suffering to the victims.

So I'm writing all this, and part of the thing that's fun about subjective criticism is it doesn't really matter what the director was thinking. It's about you making your point. So at some point I was like, I don't really know what Sergio Corbucci was thinking at the time, but I know I'm thinking it now, and I can do it.

And with that in mind, this violent, pitiless Corbucci West: What would be the American equivalent of that -- that really would be real -- that would be an American story? It was being a slave in the antebellum South.

That could be a journey capable of the type of atrocity and that type of pain and that type of heroism, just like the fight against Hitler. So as opposed to trying to take you and put you in a Schindler's List kind of movie, which I really admire -- but the whole movie is now you're under the barbed wire of Auschwitz for the entire time, and this is what it's like, and all the TV movies go away as you see what that's like -- I wanted to have more of an entertainment value involved with my movie and have it be more of a thrilling adventure.



But there is this section . And the deeper you get in Mississippi, the more you get into it. And you have to really see the pain. And to me it was really illustrated by the Mandingo fight , and the dog scene, and I even had another scene in the script that kind of was my Schindler's List scene, where once they actually get to Candieland and the Mandingo fighters that they bought are lined up and Billy Crash kills a couple of them just to inspire the other ones.

And Candie even had a line. He goes, "You know, we only keep about three fighters of every five we buy, but those three fighters tend to be very lucky." That sequence in particular really played like a Holocaust movie. Ultimately I didn't need it ... The dog scene and the Mandingo fight scene did it.

HLG: And putting Broomhilda in the hotbox , which is a horrible scene.

QT: Especially because whenever you've seen her , you've only seen her in flashbacks or you've only seen her as a figment of Django's imagination. So the first time you meet her in the here and now, s--t's even worse than you thought. Her situation is even worse than you thought.

So what you're talking about, the way your class and people in general have so put slavery at an arm's distance that ... just the information is enough for them -- it's just intellectual. They just want to keep it intellectual. These are the facts, and that's it. And I don't even stare at the facts that much.

HLG: Why do you think we've had to distance ourselves from the pain as we have -- which makes your representation shocking?

QT: I don't know the answer to that question because I don't feel that way. I can't understand why anybody would feel that way. I think America is one of the only countries that has not been forced, sometimes by the rest of the world, to look their own past sins completely in the face. And it's only by looking them in the face that you can possibly work past them. And it's not a case where the Turks don't want to acknowledge the Armenian holocaust, but the Armenians do. Nobody wants to acknowledge it here.

HLG: Well, however you want to depict the horrors of slavery, slavery itself was 10,000 times worse.

QT: That almost became our slogan. It's like, look, the stuff that we show is really harsh, and it's supposed to be harsh, but it was a lot worse.

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Coming up in part 3: Tarantino explains Django's character arc and why his film isn't your typical "white savior" story.

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189. "Look at Henry Louis Gates Jr. sambo up towards white racist Tarantino"
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It be nice if his detractors actually read this man's point of view as opposed to just assuming he jerks off to the n-word, but we gotta keep this post popping and Troll on (c) Modest Mouse.

  

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190. "You joking, but that's how loony these niggas are"
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And of course, y'all find all of it entertaining


>It be nice if his detractors actually read this man's point
>of view as opposed to just assuming he jerks off to the
>n-word, but we gotta keep this post popping and Troll on (c)
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192. "HE SAID NIGGER AGAIN....I'M OUTRAGEEED!"
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANGRY GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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191. "O_E saw it. "
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I'm doing about 44 things right now, can't comment in detail

I will say this:

a) Its not very good at all. Its not even as good as 'Posse' as far as funky
funnish historical western-style films. Made me wince at times, but mostly
utterly forgettable and yawn-worthy. Not worthy much of a review, because
honestly, the director didn't care very much about what was in this film.


b) Its not very good because its not very good, not because
QT doesn't understand race or is a closet racist or because
Foxx is an uncle Tom or because of bad Macguffins. Its
not good because its not very good. I don't even care to comment
on how QT's personality or views or politics made it bad. I honestly
don't. I just think it was a junky, janky, clanky story that no serious
professional with any sense of self-reflection can/should ever make.


c) The movie will get tons of awards and accolades because there are
too many risks to people not liking it-

- if black artists/hipsters don't like it, they'll never see that awesome
context (slavery revenge) in a high profile piece of art again. QT definitely did
us a huge favor by making this film. It just happens to be a trite, silly movie. That
it sucks doesn't change the fact that people who would love to write cool stories
about the black experience have a LOT to gain from this.

- if hipsters don't like it, it'll serve as a referendum against white
people's freedom to have fun with non-white stories; cosigning this
movie extends this license. This is VERY valuable to white people,
especially in the Obama-era where we'll see fewer black artists in
general (diversity programs and initiatives are in decline; people don't
feel the need to give black people a chance to make black art like
they did in the 1980s).

For these reasons, and many others, this film absolutely must do well
and must make money. And I honestly hope it does.

Thankfully, there are LOTS of ways to like this movie. Or rather, ways
to invent reasons to like this movie:

-for people who don't like the story (think people like Guinness and Zootown),
they'll say "it was entertaining and fun." Of course, so was 'Man with the Iron
Fist'. Difference is, nobody loses if MWTIF is panned by critics. Lots of people
lose (including people with great intentions) lose if DU is panned.

- for people who don't understand anything about movies (i.e. The Professional
cat in this post), they'll overanalyze the virulent macguffins. This is the easiest
group to please, because they decided the were going to like the virulent
macguffins before they saw it (that they neither understand what the word
"virulent" means nor what a macguffin is helps)

- For people who thought the story was silly, the storytelling was trite,
the humor fell flat, and that overall it was at best a good shitty movie
(i.e. most people who are honest with themselves), this film was "a
courageous effort.' "Courageous" almost always means that the movie was
bad but that we appreciate what the filmmaker was trying to do.

But yeah -- I'll comment in greater detail later...maybe.

MAYBE.

This movie is so yawn worthy and irrelevant that I barely give a shit, though.

Honestly, as shitty as Dark Knight Rises was, it definitely fired me up
enough to comment in detail. This movie doesn't even do that. I'm not
sure if that means its bettor or worse than TDKR...but that I'm so uninspired
is notable.


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194. "^Mad person #1. I'm off to a good start. "
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I can see most movies days in advance, actually

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195. "Who me?(c)Dumile...never that"
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196. "I mean, mad people seen it in this post"
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And you calling me out

Wonder why

Oh that's right, prolly cuz you mad


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197. "RE:nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga, nigga,lol"
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QT he hurt my feelings(sniffles). I know these sap suckas still crying and complaining gee. This is not directed at you bwood i am talking to the other posters. I just can't help but laugh. Most of these dudes are the same suckas that was praising that Lincoln movie. That romanticized piece of junk and they got the nerve to criticize QT. I just nod my head at the fact that they take him so seriously.

I am really gonna fuck they head up and make 'em mad with the real deal about all this shit.

THE SOUTH WON HA HA HA SEE I AM CRAZY BUT I KNOW THE TRUTH, I LIVE IN GEORFIA AND I AM TELLING YOU THEY WON.

The thirteenth amendment was a compromise and not only that slavery is not illegal. Bliss talking that crazy shit lol hear she go again. Well at least bliss can drop some real knowledge instead of crying over that n word,lol.

See i really know who and what governs America. If you don't like nigga you should also not like colored, negro, black or African Amercan. All these terrms denote someone else having the right to categorize you and exert their authority and jurisdiction over your black ass. nigga=black, nigga= colored, nigga=creole, nigga= african american. If you know the game you know it's all the same.

Personally i prefer none of these designations but i am unfortunately still in the matrix.

I am going to see Django and imma have a good time.
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198. "That's all fine and dandy. Movie sucks, though. "
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Just saying.

The actual movie is not very good.

  

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199. "too late for another troll?"
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I hate QT too. where can i fit in with all of this?

  

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200. "the trolls are now defending QTs use of n****r"
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Nobody wants to defend the movie, because everyone
pretty much agrees that its dogshit

We've moved onto the use of the N word


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201. "This movie sucked so bad I'ma see it AGAIN"
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Mo money to the white man!

This is the shit y'all wanted, right? YOU NOT ENTERTAINED BY THIS?!???

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202. "Good. I'm gonna buy multiple tickets to see it. "
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And do the opposite of what I used to do: I'm gonna buy
multiple tix to DU and see something else.

Why? This film absolutely must make money. Its important for
black film and filmmakers.

The film happens to be terrible, but that's neither here nor there

Its important that it make money.

Same with 'Red Tails'.

  

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206. "Yea, this a good angle. Ima troll w/ this"
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204. "cool, man. "
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203. "Tarantino/Henry Louis Gates Interview from The Root pt 3 (Swipe)"
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Btw, ALL 3 parts are pretty ripe w/ spoilers. But this has MAJOR SPOILERS and so I stopped reading

In the last of a Q&A series, the director rejects the idea that Django fits into that old Hollywood trope.

(The Root) -- Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained is about a slave named Django (Jamie Foxx) who gains his freedom and becomes a bounty hunter with the help of Dr. King Schultz (Christoph Waltz). They travel (under a ruse developed by Schultz) to Mississippi to free Django's wife, Broomhilda (Kerry Washington), from evil plantation owner Calvin Candie (Leonardo DiCaprio).

Despite how that brief synopsis might make it seem, Django is absolutely not, Tarantino tells The Root Editor-in-Chief Henry Louis Gates Jr., a "white-savior tale." In the last of a three-part interview series, the writer and director explains in detail the real reason that Django and Schultz's relationship unfolds the way it does, and when and why the power shifts (possible spoilers).

Henry Louis Gates Jr.: The history of Hollywood is replete with black Christ figures, and we can just list them off the top of our heads. Why did you decide to make Dr. King Schultz the Christ figure?

Quentin Tarantino: Here's the thing. There was actually some talk when the script got out there. Some people were speculating, is Schultz the white-savior character? He whips a magic wand and Django is able to do this and he's able to do that and he's able to do the other thing, but all because Schultz allows him to do it.

And you know, I completely did not think that that was applicable to my story. But the thing is, it's actually kind of interesting at the same time. While I'm telling a black story, I'm also telling a Western. And I have Western conventions on my side to help tell my story.

HLG: In fact, I call it a postmodern, slave-narrative Western.

QT: I'll buy that. But you know, one of the tropes of Westerns and telling a story like this is you have an experienced gunfighter who meets the young cowpoke who has some mission that he has to accomplish, and it's the old, experienced gunfighter who teaches him the tricks of the trade: teaches him how to draw his gun, teaches him how to kill.

Whether it be Kirk Douglas teaching young William Campbell in Man Without a Star or Brian Keith teaching Steve McQueen in Nevada Smith, or actually most of Lee Van Cleef's spaghetti Westerns that aren't with Sergio Leone -- that's kind of Van Cleef's role. Now, you go to the kung fu films -- that's always the case. There's an older guy teaching the younger guy and sending him on a vengeance journey.

HLG: It's a fundamental trope of the genre.

QT: Absolutely. So I'm falling back on that. However, knowing you have the history of cinema where, OK, this is a movie about Stephen Biko, but we're telling it through Kevin Kline's eyes -- that kind of situation -- I actually was hoping to get a little bit of narrative anxiety going on about halfway through the movie: Wait, is this just going to be Schultz doing everything? What's going on here?

Hopefully, if you're unbiased, from where I'm coming from, it makes sense how the whole first part of the story's going. But when is Django going to be the hero? Because truthfully, in the first half of the story, he is Schultz's sidekick. But to me that's OK.

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HLG: But that's an apprentice period.

QT: Exactly. It's his origin issue of his comic book. And frankly, just to have one little digression -- it's a small little moment -- to me one of the most meaningful moments in the first half of the movie is when ride up in the snow to that sheriff's office to deliver those bodies, and the sheriff goes, "Hey, Django! Schultz! How ya doin'?"

HLG: I was taken by that because he accepts Django in his role as a bounty hunter.

QT: It's the only time in the movie a white man has addressed him, aside from Schultz, who has not even mentioned his color and treats him with respect. Not even just respect -- he treats him as a professional. It's obvious they have become a true team. They are both invited to come inside and partake of the man's birthday cake.

HLG: You did that, not to say something about the sheriff, but to say something about Django's maturity.

QT: Three months were wrapped into one exchange. And you see now that he's a professional. And he's invited inside. He doesn't wait outside with the horses. And that's one of those really important things.

Now, going into Mississippi, that's when the power starts shifting. But even then, not to completely jump to the end of the movie and give away all the narrative surprises, but suffice it to say they have a plan, and it being a good story, the plan doesn't exactly work. So they're forced to improvise and do other things.

Now, here's the thing, though. If Schultz's plan had worked and they were able to kind of con Broomhilda out of her owner Candie's clutches and get her bill of sale, then Django would have taken her to New York. She probably would have gone on the abolitionist cocktail party circuit, telling her tales of woe and everything, with Django because he's not an outlaw now.

He's still on the right side of the law at this point, if that were to happen that way. And everything would be great for Django, and everything would be great for Broomhilda, but he would not be the hero of the story.

HLG: No.

QT: Schultz would be the hero of the story. Things have to go awry, and Schultz has to be taken out of the picture for Django to truly emerge as the hero. He has to actually be caught. He can take down a lot of people, but he actually has to be caught.

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And like a character through Negro folklore, he has to get out of his predicament solely through cunning and guile. And then he has to make the choice to go back yet again. Anything else and he's not the hero of the story.

HLG: So that's why you sacrificed King Schultz.

QT: He had to pass on for Django to truly take the torch. And there's another narrative thing going on as well. Just the way Django probably feels about it, a little bit to some degree, the audience feels that I have shown two big sequences where Schultz has painted his way into a corner that there's no way he can get out of, and then he talks his way out. So we have two set pieces setting this up, and now we have a big third one. And by this time, the audience should actually feel that Schultz can handle anything.

HLG: But Schultz makes the decision to sacrifice himself. He's won . They've given $12,000 ransom money. He's going to shake hands -- I mean, being humiliated, but hell, he can get over that. But he decided, "F--k you, I'm going to blow you away."

QT: Right. Well, you know, there are a few different reasons, and I don't want to spill it all out because I'm hoping that the audience will come up with some of their own of why Schultz does what he does. I actually think one of the definite reasons, though, is he had to put on this facade in dealing with this inhuman depravity that he's witnessing. Now that he's on the other side of it, it's all raining down on him.

HLG: He's haunted by these memories.

QT: What he was working hard not to allow himself to feel is now permeating him. But something else is also permeating him. I think he's actually realizing inadvertently he caused D'Artagnan's death.

Where I'm coming from is, I don't think Candie would have actually killed D'Artagnan in that situation, just for running away at that moment -- not that he couldn't have done it another time with somebody else. But just where it was leading, where it was going, he would have punished him, but he wouldn't have sicced the dogs on him at that moment. That doesn't make him nice -- I'm just saying it wasn't his plan to just destroy him at that moment.

HLG: So why did he destroy him at that moment?

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QT: To test Django. Because when Schultz offered to buy him all of the sudden -- Whoa, what the hell? That was phony-baloney. He knew it wasn't right. This is weird. These guys are up to something. What's going on here? Why would he care? He's getting into Mandingo fighting; why should he care about this guy?

HLG: So Django had to sacrifice him in order to keep the ruse up.

QT: Schultz reveals himself. Django stops him and says no, we're not doing that. And Candie realizes this and decides to test Django's resolve.

HLG: A friend of mine said to me, "I really liked the film, but would he have had James Bond watch one of his fellow spies be torn apart by the dogs?" Why was it important for Jamie Foxx's character, for Django, to let this man be sacrificed?

QT: If I was writing the James Bond movie and the job was for him to go undercover, then yeah, he would, and James Bond would be good at that. He's a professional. He knows what's going on.

It has to cost Django something to go on this mission. He's not Spartacus. It's not about him liberating everyone in shack row and them storming Canada together. He's got one mission and one mission only: extract his wife from this hell. And nothing else means a damn compared to that.

HLG: And he has to get in character.

QT: He's got to be convincing. And he knows that more than Schultz does. To me, that's one of the interesting things.

You know Django goes on a tutelage in the first half of the movie, but then the teacher-student relationship shifts once they get into Mississippi. Because Django knows exactly this world and understands it. And Schultz is coming from almost a 21st-century perspective. He understands, intellectually, slavery, but he's never seen the everyday horrors and degradation of it.

HLG: Were there any scenes left on the cutting room floor that are just too graphic or depressing to include in the film? And if so, will we ever see them, and what were they?



QT: Nothing that was too graphic. But there were versions of the movie, getting to the version that we have now, where both the Mandingo fighting and the dog scene even worse ... even more violent. I can handle rougher stuff than most people. I can handle more viscera than most. So to me it was OK.

But you know, you make your movie and you get it to a certain point where we've seen it ourselves enough -- now we have to see it with an audience. And this movie has to work -- all my movies have to work this way -- but this one kind of even more so had to work on a bunch of different levels.

The comedy had to be able to work, the horrific serious scenes have to work, I have to be able to get you to laugh a sequence after that to bring you back from . We have to be at the right place in the story where the big suspense scene at the dinner table happens so that will pay off.

Now, I'll talk a little bit in code, but you'll know what I mean, and I don't think it will spoil anything. But by the way, I actually don't mind people knowing that Django triumphs at the end.

But there's that moment where Django turns to Broomhilda and has that kind of punky smile that he does. If I've done my job right, modulating this movie and doing it the right way, then the audience will burst into applause. They'll clap with Broomhilda. They'll laugh when Django and his horse do the little dance. That means I've done it the right way. The audience is responding exactly the way I want them to.

HLG: Well, the audience in Bethesda, Md., last Sunday at the screening I saw applauded at that moment.

QT: But you see, the thing about it is, when the Mandingo scene and the dog scene were rougher , I traumatized too much. They were too traumatized after that moment, and they resented me a little too much, because they actually had been enjoying the movie before then.

HLG: I understand that.

QT: I understood it, too. And the thing is, I actually got them back. It's not like there were that happened later where they didn't laugh. They were just traumatized. And the response at the end was a qualified response.

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