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"Daredevil: The Good, The Bad and the Hideous"


          

Spoiler heavy review.

Short version: ** stars tops.

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The Good:

Colin Farrell as Bullseye: Does this surprise anyone? The man is a great actor and even though he is hamming it up, the movie is 10X better with him on the screen than without it

Jon Favreau as Foggy Nelson: Comic relief done to perfection. Maybe the writet-director should stick to comedies.

Daredevil's sonar: I thought this was by far the best thing about the movie from a comic book fans perspective. To see how Daredevil sees was cool as shit adn it is a shame they didn't use it enough.

Bullseye vs. Elektra: Nice attempt to recreate the defining battle in Daredevil.

Daredevil vs. Bullseye: Colin Farrell at his best.

Kingpin's intro: We got a good laugh out of Kingpin being introduced to N.E.R.D's "Lap Dance"

The Beautiful:

Jennifer Garner as Elektra: Just stunning.


The Bad:

The Story/Movie/Character Development: Aside from Daredevil, all fo these characters were woefully underdeveloped. It was as if they decided to do a movie about Daredevil and would just include the only good villians he has and say "go". Even if I wasn't a reader of Daredevil (which I am going to have to read a bunch of to recover from this movie). Kingpin was hardly used and they didn't use the "body mass is completely muscle angle" which would have shown Daredevil get his ass kicked a little more. I was just disappointed that this movie came from a guy who said he grew up on Daredevil.

The Hideous:

Secret Identity: Matt Murdock was pretty careful about maintaining his secret identity but in this movie: He engages in playful open combat with Elektra as Matt Murdock. By the end of the movie, Kingpin, Elektra and Ben Urich know he's Daredevil

Spider-Devil: Now, if they had included Matt's training with Stick, even via brief flashback, MAYBE I could acept that Daredevil could leap off buildings and shit like Spider-Man. But they didn't, so I don't. Elektra either.

Ben Affleck: He wasn't in shape. and I know I am nitpicking now but fuck it. If you are supposed to be a superhero who fights crime every night, even if you didn't lift a fight, that is some cardiovascular work out for your ass. He should be in shape. I know Daredevil doesn't have superhuman strength but I know Daredevil ain't an average joe in a leather suit. He didn't have to be diesal but at least get a little ripped man. Me and my boy were like does "Daredevil have a little gut?"

Wrapup: So basically, as much as I wnated to like this movie, I couldn't. If I didn't read the comic, this movie would be decent. Maybe. I would have still wanted more.


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Better or worse then X-Men
Feb 14th 2003
1
much worse (spoiler)
Feb 14th 2003
2
      Doh
Feb 14th 2003
3
           RE: Doh
Feb 14th 2003
4
           RE: Doh
Feb 14th 2003
5
Honestly..
Feb 14th 2003
6
Yeah..but we didn't think it'd suck THIS badly
Feb 17th 2003
44
      RE: Yeah..but we didn't think it'd suck THIS badly
Feb 17th 2003
46
           RE: Yeah..but we didn't think it'd suck THIS badly
Feb 17th 2003
51
                RE: C-Fare
Feb 17th 2003
52
I really must disagree
Feb 14th 2003
7
Cosign
Feb 14th 2003
10
RE: I really must disagree
Feb 17th 2003
47
It wasn't bad
Feb 14th 2003
8
it was okay...
Feb 14th 2003
9
      Cosign on Blade...
Feb 14th 2003
11
           RE: Cosign on Blade...
Feb 15th 2003
12
                DD.
Feb 16th 2003
13
                     The Soundtrack was my least favorite part
Feb 16th 2003
14
i think we can all agree
Feb 16th 2003
15
RE: i think we can all agree
Feb 16th 2003
16
RE: i think we can all agree
Feb 16th 2003
18
      That was a plus
Feb 16th 2003
22
           RE: That was a plus
Feb 16th 2003
25
RE: i think we can all agree
Feb 17th 2003
48
Horrible
Feb 16th 2003
17
Good
Feb 16th 2003
42
this was a HOT piece of shit!!
Feb 16th 2003
19
RE: this was a HOT piece of shit!!
Feb 16th 2003
28
Apparently (spoiler)
Feb 16th 2003
32
      (SPOILER)
Feb 17th 2003
43
RE: Bullseye's strength
Feb 16th 2003
29
      RE: Bullseye's strength
Feb 16th 2003
33
Yea, I agree
Feb 16th 2003
20
RE: Daredevil: The Good, The Bad and the Hideous
Feb 16th 2003
21
My thoughts
Feb 16th 2003
23
RE: My thoughts
Feb 16th 2003
34
      True, he saved Stan Lee
Feb 16th 2003
38
Daredevil Movie notes
Feb 16th 2003
24
RE: Daredevil Movie notes
Feb 16th 2003
26
RE: Daredevil Movie notes
Feb 16th 2003
31
$43.5M for the first weekend
Feb 16th 2003
27
RE: $43.5M for the first weekend
Feb 16th 2003
35
why?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??!?!??!?
Feb 16th 2003
30
Bored to tears
Feb 16th 2003
36
Yeah this sucked.... 2 stars seriously
Feb 16th 2003
37
RE: Yeah this sucked.... 2 stars seriously
Feb 16th 2003
39
I liked it...
Feb 16th 2003
40
cosign
Feb 16th 2003
41
Ben Affleck had nothing to do with it (for me)...
Feb 17th 2003
45
this movie
Feb 17th 2003
49
RE: Jigga's take
Feb 17th 2003
50
on par with Spider-Man
Feb 17th 2003
53
No way in hell...
Feb 18th 2003
54
      RE: No way in hell...
Feb 18th 2003
55
Not Affleck's fault
Feb 23rd 2003
56
RE: Not Affleck's fault
Feb 24th 2003
57
anger
Mar 01st 2003
58

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1. "Better or worse then X-Men"
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Because from what you wrote, it seems the movies were very similar.


  

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2. "much worse (spoiler)"
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even though X-Men also didn't give much in the way of character development, they remained true to the spirit of the characters

The fact that Daredevil lets a man die in the first 15 minutes of the movie spoke volumes of the direction this was going.

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3. "Doh"
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Im gonna have to check it out for mysel The comic geek in me won't let me skip out on this movie, although at least now ill be prepared for the worst.

One of the things I liked which I read from the early reviews was that they took a more realistic approach. He comes home hurt, he shows emotions besides rightous 'I must do right', something which I think some of the recent movies lost out on(aka, spider mans happy go lucky wisecracking side, or wolverines homicidal rage).

However, if they cut the characters short, or kill the story(which should be the easiest part with comic movie adaptations, its not like theres not around hundreds of stories to draw from).


  

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4. "RE: Doh"
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I did appreciate that to an extent.

The way Mark Steven Johnson treated the Daredevil character should be a comic.

He explained how he "sees", how he deals with his powers, how he sleeps, that he takes painkillers because he isn't superhuman.


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5. "RE: Doh"
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shows emotion that the others missed out on? ben affleck showing emotion? perhaps but not better than the other actors in the previous comic book films. ok, if he is lucky, maybe he beat out halle berry for emotion.

the others have daredevil beat on emotion. the directors were also much more experienced.


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6. "Honestly.."
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You didn't expect all that going in?

  

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44. "Yeah..but we didn't think it'd suck THIS badly"
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I told my crew that this movie was gonna suck. Of course, we all knew...but we had no clue it was gonna be this...this...sucktacular.

Melanism covered all the major points...

BEN AFFLECK SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DAREDEVIL.

Colin Farrell should've been Daredevil.

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46. "RE: Yeah..but we didn't think it'd suck THIS badly"
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>BEN AFFLECK SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DAREDEVIL.
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>Colin Farrell should've been Daredevil.

I kept thinking that 2 going into it but watching Farrell as Bullseye made me change my mind. He was perfect as a villian. I do think he should play the either the next Superman or Batman tho.

  

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51. "RE: Yeah..but we didn't think it'd suck THIS badly"
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He was perfect as a
>villian. I do think he should play the either the next
>Superman or Batman tho.

Colin Farrell as the next Superman...hmmmm....interesting, if they update the Superman mythos. I dunno, though. I mean, could you imagine him running around in the spandex with a goatee? Even shaved, Farrell doesn't *quite* look like a Superman...

Colin Farrell as the next Batman: GODS, YES!!!! Yes, yes, yes!!!

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52. "RE: C-Fare"
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> He was perfect as a
>>villian. I do think he should play the either the next
>>Superman or Batman tho.
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>Colin Farrell as the next Superman...hmmmm....interesting,
>if they update the Superman mythos. I dunno, though. I
>mean, could you imagine him running around in the spandex
>with a goatee? Even shaved, Farrell doesn't *quite* look
>like a Superman...

W/o the goatee, w/ hair, minus the trademark 5 o clock shadow he could pull it off.

>Colin Farrell as the next Batman: GODS, YES!!!! Yes, yes,
>yes!!!

Like I said, either or. I've seen all the flicks he's been in sans one and he's a great actor w/ good range as well.

  

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7. "I really must disagree"
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I didn't expect to like it (though I'd hoped), and I found thoroughly enjoyable. It's really dark, which I liked, and had a few problems, but overall I was very pleased.

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10. "Cosign"
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47. "RE: I really must disagree"
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>I didn't expect to like it (though I'd hoped), and I found
>thoroughly enjoyable. It's really dark, which I liked, and
>had a few problems, but overall I was very pleased.

Same here, wasnt expectin much @ all goin into it. But I was pretty impressed overall. Loved the darkness and violence. Much more dark and violent than any of the other recent comic book movies sans Blade.

  

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8. "It wasn't bad"
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I liked it. I think there's a certain sensibility you come into when you watch a comic book film. And I think it stayed true to the comic. Admittedly some of the comic book stories, even my favorite ones can come off as cheesy and just so unbelievable that it's a little off putting but what do you expect when there's a guy in a costume running around beating the shit out of dozens of guys in one setting. Who can easily dodge bullets and flying glass by just doing backflips. I had fun watching it, I enjoyed it. There were things I think a capable director could have done better but I think Mark Steven Johnson did an admirable job with it.

  

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9. "it was okay..."
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I think the 1st few fight scenes were sloppy and the storytelling could have been way better.

I thought the same thing about ben affleck been out of shape like WTF!

The sonar thing was cool but like I said the 1st few action scenes were sloppy and the CGI could have been better.

For now I think the 1st Blade movie has been the overall best comic to movie adaption.

  

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11. "Cosign on Blade..."
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I love that movie.


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12. "RE: Cosign on Blade..."
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His sonar was mos def the coolest comic adaptain I have ever seen but I think the rest of the movie could have been done better. There is lots of emotion in the story that could have been used better. I agree with Melanism about Colin Farrel as well he did a good job. More Electra would have been nice cause she was hot as hell.

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13. "DD."
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I for one really enjoyed the film. It had good action scences and a nice darkness to the film, I also liked the soundtrack.
Rating 3.5/5 (Good fun )

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14. "The Soundtrack was my least favorite part"
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I have to say that when bad "hard rock" is done poorly and then played LOUDLY , I hate it.

I mean bad techno (withness Blade) is much less annoying to *me*.

I wish they would have changed the music cues so when he's screwing Ms. Nachos it would be hard guitar riffs and when he was fighting people it would be melodic symphony music.

But the "err-err-er-er-er-er" guitar riffs just don't cut it for *me*

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15. "i think we can all agree"
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this was a horrible movie

instead of making the thriller they tried to copy spider mans camp but at the same time it wasnt a family movie cause of the sex and graphic violence the film could not pick a side

  

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16. "RE: i think we can all agree"
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I quite enjoyed the grittiness of the film.

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18. "RE: i think we can all agree"
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Daredevil does not kill.

What is the point of him being a lawyer if goes out a kill if the verdict isn't what he likes? And he kills one guy but he won't kill the guy that killed his pop. Oh come on.

Having him kill or letting a man die goes against the catholic/lawyer thing in the comic book which is the spirit of character. Why didn't they just let him pick up a gun while they were at it? Geez.

  

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22. "That was a plus"
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Like I said, I liked this movie. One reason I liked it was because it explored a darker, as opposed to glorified, aspect of vigilantism(sp). He realizes later that killing is against what he's trying to do.

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25. "RE: That was a plus"
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you know they could have kept the "spirit" of the book and it would still be dark. Daredevil since the 80's has been one of the darker comic books on the market. So this whole thing of it being dark doesn't carry a lot of weight with me at all.

Based on the source material a much better adaptaion/screenplay could have been written.

And lets forget the source material for a minute. This movie just had some bad writing. Elektra, Kingpin, Ben Ulrich, matt Murdock, and Foggy Nelson were flimsy.


  

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48. "RE: i think we can all agree"
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>this was a horrible movie

I think you're wrong.

>instead of making the thriller they tried to copy spider
>mans camp but at the same time it wasnt a family movie cause
>of the sex and graphic violence the film could not pick a
>side

This movie was WAY better than Spiderman IMO. Sure there were some similarities but DD was written better, had a much better cast, better acting, better fight scenes, better comic relief...etc

  

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17. "Horrible"
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What a waste of money. I should have known it wasn't going to be any good cause they made it too fast.

The Good: Colin Ferrell. He didn't have much to work with but he stole the show every scene he was in.

Daredevil gets some pussy.

The Bad:

The directing was the pits. This movie came off as a B-movie and/or had the budget of a Sci-fi Channel original movie.

The Writing/Story. How many things can I say were wrong with this story and writing?

Daredevil lets a man die on a subway tracks. WTF? That's not the Daredevil I know.

Yes, Daredevil has super-senses but how did he learn to fight? trust me Stick, the ninja that trained Daredevil could have been worked in. Just to make the movie make sense some explanation of how Daredevil could take on assasin Bullseye and karate trained since 5 Elektra (yes I know in comics she is a ninja).

Everybody except Foggy found out Daredevil's secret. Did everybody have to find out in the first movie?
For a guy that does an excellent job of hiding his id this movie version might have been shouting it from the rooftops.


How did Daredevil get that sleep chamber? I thought he was a vampire for a minute. And when Elektra slept over he was in bed with her right? How could he not sense her leaving early if he was sensitive?

Kingpin. He came off as a petty thug more than a crimelord. We needed to see more of the Kingpin's money and dirty deeds. More lines with Kingpin would have helped to.

Elektra whips Daredevil ass in 1 minute. Bullseye whips Elektra's ass in like 10 seconds. Yet an injured Daredevil was able to defeat Bullseye?

And trust me this is just the tip of the iceberg with things wrong with this movie.

  

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42. "Good"
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>What a waste of money.

I thought the flick was worth every penny. and i even paid for my friend's ticket.

>The Good: Colin Ferrell. He didn't have much to work with
>but he stole the show every scene he was in.

agree that he stole every scene he was in. heck i was kinda rootin' for this guy for a while (could've used a mask imo tho)

>Daredevil lets a man die on a subway tracks. WTF? That's
>not the Daredevil I know.

yeah this threw me way off when i saw it, and was in fact the only thing i really hated about the movie (tho the journey it took matt to become the DD we all know and love made it suck a little less)

>Yes, Daredevil has super-senses but how did he learn to
>fight? trust me Stick, the ninja that trained Daredevil
>could have been worked in. Just to make the movie make
>sense some explanation of how Daredevil could take on
>assasin Bullseye and karate trained since 5 Elektra (yes I
>know in comics she is a ninja).

i would've wanted stick in this, but all the other characters were underdeveloped, and adding stick to it would've made it worse.

>And when Elektra slept over he was
>in bed with her right? How could he not sense her leaving
>early if he was sensitive?

maybe the elektra pussy was really damn good.

>Elektra whips Daredevil ass in 1 minute. Bullseye whips
>Elektra's ass in like 10 seconds. Yet an injured Daredevil
>was able to defeat Bullseye?

DD wasn't trying to fight elektra, and bullseye just killed DD's lady, so i bought that whole sequence of events.

tho i haven't read the seminal frank miller DD's in a couple of years, i felt the story translated as well as it could onto the big screen, with enough stuff for us comic heads to enjoy (requisite stan lee cameo, kevin smith appearance, and the use of the names of john romita, quesada, and kirby) and not too complicated (at least i don't think) for the average guy to enjoy, tho it seems people from both camps either love the movie or hate it (with no semblance of a middle ground).


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19. "this was a HOT piece of shit!!"
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im sorry but if youre going to do a comic book movie, TRY to stay as CLOSE to the origin of the story as possible..no we DONT need every damn thing from particular arc in the series, but some things would be needed in order to establish the story of the film for folk who dont know who daredevil is..

issues with the film:
ben affleck SUCKS--why him of all people?

elektra: in the comic series, she and matt knew each othe rin college. why cut all that out and do it the way it was done in the movie? if they had alluded to their relationship in college, it would have made elektra's entrance WAY morebelievable AND...it would have properly explained her jumping his bones within the first few scenes they had together. sidenote: ben affleck and jen garner have NO chemistry...and itsnot her. ben just SUCKS as a romantic lead PERIOD.
furthermore, elektra was a ninja...AND an assassin. why didnt they just follow that storyline for her instead of the one she got in the film? and her her dad wasnt even WORKING with Kingpin in the comics...

Bullseye: um...since when did he have superhuman strength? and bullseye never dies...in the comic, daredevil damn near beats bullseye to death for killing elektra and he ends up in the hospital. fuckers..totally kills colin coming back for the sequel.

bullseye and eletkra's battle: chica was a hardcore ninja. she would NOT have been laid out like that in 10 seconds..sheesh. bullseye did kill her--but NOT how it was written in the film.

if they had kept some of the character's respective backstories when writing this film, it would have been decent.

yet you get this piece of shit...

the ending: wack...so now elektra, after getting a sai shoved through her body survives that to leave matt a charm with braille inscriptions? come the fucck on....

the only GOOD things about the film: Colin Farrell, Jennifer Garnder, Michael Clarke Duncan..virtually EVERYONE BUT Ben Affleck!

such a waste of my money...and i now SEE why HALF of the audience the theatre before it was over when i saw it last night.

they should even MAKE an elektra spinoff nor should they make anymore daredevil films...either be a gritty and dark neo noir comic book film with sex and violence or be a fluff piece for the kiddies to watch...not both.

as much as i liked the grittiness of the film, it was lost with all the other bs they fucked up on in the movie.

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28. "RE: this was a HOT piece of shit!!"
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You right if they kept a little bit of the backstory of Elektra and Daredevil it would have been a little better.

I watched the movie with someone that knows nothing about Daredevil and they asked me questions like how did he learn to fight and how could he jump from one building to the building across the street.

I don't think Bullseye actually died at the end.


  

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32. "Apparently (spoiler)"
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If you stick through the creditts, something happens that shows you Bullseye didn't die (dammit I should have stayed!).

Anyway, I didn't think he died either, a)he was still moving and b)he's one af Daredevil's greatest enemies.

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43. "(SPOILER)"
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(SPOILER)
After the credits end, there's a scene with Bullseye in a hospital in a near full body cast save for one arm. There's a fly pestering him, and he reaches over to a hyperdermic needle on a shelf, and nails the fly with it.

  

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29. "RE: Bullseye's strength"
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>Bullseye: um...since when did he have superhuman strength?

What are you talking about? What makes you think he had superstrength?

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33. "RE: Bullseye's strength"
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>>Bullseye: um...since when did he have superhuman strength?
>
>What are you talking about? What makes you think he had
>superstrength?

the whole Matrix like manner in which he and daredevil were fighting....i always remembered Bullseye as being a no holds barred homicidal maniac killer...aka he used anything in his path to kill you and usually succeeded...

his battle scene with daredevil..was just too CGI'ed for my taste. and it just came off wrong too.

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20. "Yea, I agree"
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honestly I was never a big DareDevil fan...i think the extent of my collection of this title is the issue where Elektra was killed by Bullseye (181, maybe?) and maybe a couple of random issues with real nice art.

but this movie was just boring to me. that scene where matt and elektra were fighting in the park was cool...but honestly...did no one see a blind man fighting with some hot chick? the people who read comics might walk out with mixed feelings, but to the audience that doesnt? they'll probably like it.

i was more excited during that xmen 2 trailer than i was during the entire movie.

  

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21. "RE: Daredevil: The Good, The Bad and the Hideous"
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I hate Ben Asslick so much. He ruined daredevil for me.

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23. "My thoughts"
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Well, I went in with low expectations since the original Frank Miller Bullseye vs Elektra is my favorite comic story ever. I thought it was ok, but disappointing.

- First of all, they screwed with the origin by not having Matt save an old man from being hit by a truck. This is very disappointing, since that's a big part of the character, showing his generosity towards helping people.
- DD chases the rapist and lets him get killed which is bullshit. Daredevil DOES NOT KILL! He's not the Punisher. He upholds the law no matter what.
- Ben Affleck actually gave a pretty good performance, but I agree that he's not built enough. At times he looked like a regular guy running around in leather pajamas.
- Who is this girl calling herself Elektra? This isn't Elektra: Asassin trained by the Hand. She's more like Elektra Lite, a rich man's daughter. Jennifer Garner was good. My complaint is with the characterization.
- Bullseye stole the show. Colin Farrel was great at playing a certified nut.
- The Elektra/Bulleye fight was too short, but they got the killing right, even including the dialogue.
- The guy playing Foggy Nelson was pretty good, but at times he seems to sleazy, only caring about money. Foggy is more of a loveable goofball.
- The guy who played Ben Urich wasn't bad, but I would've picked someone else.
- I hated how they made Kingpin responsible for DD's dad's death. That's the same Hollywood junk they pulled in Batman.
- It was cool to name-drop the writers & artists - Colan, Romita, Miller, Mack, Bendis.

Overall it would probably be better to someone who never read the comic, which kinda sucks since DD is a comic reader's superhero who doens't have the mainstream identity of Spider-man. They failed to capture the heart & emotion of the comic.

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34. "RE: My thoughts"
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>- First of all, they screwed with the origin by not having
>Matt save an old man from being hit by a truck. This is very
>disappointing, since that's a big part of the character,
>showing his generosity towards helping people.

He did save some guy from being hit by a truck. I'm pretty sure it was Stan Lee too. It was at the beginning.

>- DD chases the rapist and lets him get killed which is
>bullshit. Daredevil DOES NOT KILL! He's not the Punisher. He
>upholds the law no matter what.

Yea I wondered about that...I was like..who is this Spawn?

>- Who is this girl calling herself Elektra? This isn't
>Elektra: Asassin trained by the Hand. She's more like
>Elektra Lite, a rich man's daughter.

Yea I wasnt happy about that either. But that would have taken more explaining...probably more than you could fit into 90 minutes of film. Plus Marvel is trying to bring in a new audience. They woulda lost a lot of people with that.

>- Bullseye stole the show. Colin Farrel was great at playing
>a certified nut.

indeed.

>- The Elektra/Bulleye fight was too short, but they got the
>killing right, even including the dialogue.

I was worried they werent gonna kill her. I woulda walked out if they didnt. haha.

  

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38. "True, he saved Stan Lee"
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But they messed with the origin where he's supposed to save a man from being hit by the truck and the radiation cannisters fall from the truck. Oh well.

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24. "Daredevil Movie notes"
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Do did anybody catch the various references to daredevil comic book writers in the movie and the one over done references to Joe Quesada


did anybody stay at the end to see Bullseye alive in the hospital in bandages killing a fly

Kevin Smith as "Kirby"

did jack Kirby create Daredeveil?

Stan lee in a cool cameo even though the whole blind kid doing matrix kick s sucked

  

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26. "RE: Daredevil Movie notes"
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>Do did anybody catch the various references to daredevil
>comic book writers in the movie and the one over done
>references to Joe Quesada
yea i caught some of those..folk were like who is frank miller? hunh? who? but that was among the many folk who left half way through the movie.

>
>did anybody stay at the end to see Bullseye alive in the
>hospital in bandages killing a fly
briefly...but by that point the other hour and a half of bs killed it for me...but it was nice yet too late.

>Kevin Smith as "Kirby"
interesting...you mean the morgue guy? yea i remember him briefly.

>did jack Kirby create Daredeveil?
>
>Stan lee in a cool cameo even though the whole blind kid
>doing matrix kick s sucked
this was wack...i liked seeing Stan Lee but the kid doing the matrix ish was horrible....it really was.

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31. "RE: Daredevil Movie notes"
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I got Kevin Smith as Jack "King" Kirby.

Battling (Yeah I said Battling) Murdock vs John Romita.

Stan Lee's cameo.

i caught the Joe Quesada cover which was used as the first scene we see of daredevil and the new daredevil seriers cover to number 1 was used at the end.

i left before bullseye was in the hospital.

  

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27. "$43.5M for the first weekend"
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well sorry fans..looks like a Daredevil sequel AND rumored spinoffs (at the moment, they're planning one for Elektra)

sorry expect to see ben affleck suiting up in the red leather s&m esque outfit for years to come...

umm....yea--not!

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35. "RE: $43.5M for the first weekend"
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im not really big into movie numbers...is that dissapointing for this film? it didnt seem like this movie took all that much money to produce.

  

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30. "why?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??!?!??!?"
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why do i read reviews posts before i see the movie?!

darn you, dreadmedia, i read what you said about bullseye at the end! why didn't you put a spoiler warning?!

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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>Wrapup: So basically, as much as I wnated to like this
>movie, I couldn't. If I didn't read the comic, this movie
>would be decent. Maybe. I would have still wanted more.

I thoughtit would've been better if I had read it.I guess I was wrong.



  

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37. "Yeah this sucked.... 2 stars seriously"
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first off seeing this movie made me realize most folks slept on Unbreakable....

Ben Afleck overall just sucks....he was so out of shape and couldn't pull off most of the moves....his fight scene with Elektra looked so scripted and had not much flow....

I loved Bullseye but that was pretty much about it....I hated the fact that there was minimal character development....they never really explain how DareDevil came to have his powers...other that the unique sight thing...that was about it....same for Elektra.....also they stole a lot from Tomb Raider and Spiderman......

Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin was tight....I was obviously so disgusted I missed the Bullseye in the hospital scene.....

The only good thing were the writer references and the Stan Lee cameo......

I totally like the ExMen trailer....I'm mad that they didn't include the Beast in this series...but according to rumor they had to many new characters to introduced.....there should have been a Terminator Trailer or a Matrix one....but no dice....
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39. "RE: Yeah this sucked.... 2 stars seriously"
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Fuck that. This movie was excellent I just saw it, and Ben did a fine job as matt murdock and he looked just like daredevil too! How could you even like Colin Farrel? Dude is a terrible actor with all the grunting and shit and those silly faces he made I wanted to get a 50 cal rifle and put a slug in that rediculous shit on his forehead. Anyways I loved the movie it was very gritty its nice to see a hero kill someone and talk shit while doing it. Im gonna go wtach spiderman and wait until they make The Punisher into a GOOD movie. 5 stars for Daredevil,4 1/2 for Ben cause Im jealous that he had Jennifer Garner in a bed with him naked.........don't get me started on her husband.

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40. "I liked it..."
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First of all, as much as I was into comics when I was younger, I rarely read Daredevil. Alot of his characters(and himself) had bleed over into some of the comics I regularly read, but Im not a big a fan as some of you.

Now thats out of the way, Ill tell you what I liked.

1)Daredevil. Although reading the posts they took alot of liberties with his origins, I liked the way he was portrayed by Affleck, and the script. He got hurt physically, he wasn't happy with his life the way it was, shit wasn't peechy keen like it normally seems in the other adaptations. It could have been ALOT stronger, but at least they bothered showing the fact that he was cool with the daily grind that was being a superhero. And Affleck made me believe that he could pull it off, abiet DD requires alot less charisma then lets say Wolverine.

2)Side characters(well, most of them). Froggy Nelson, Electra, Bullseye were played excellently, you couldn't have asked for more. Nelson kept the jokes coming, Electra(Jennifer Garner, who I always thought was a generic looking white girl made me a believer) was believeable abiet not too 3 dimensional in a role that required you to believe she was a trained ninja who shops at Sax Fifth Ave. I remember reading one of her solo comics and it would have been nice for some background, but then again, its Daredevils movie. And Bullseye was overracted with the right amount of cool. Im happy they didn't give him a large backstory about getting picked on in school, sometimes you just need a badass just to go in there and kick ass, which he did.

3)Daredevils 'sight'. Wow, kudos whoever thought of how to portray that concept on film deserves an applause. Imho, the best portrayal of a superpower in a comic movie thus far.

Now, what sucked.

1)The Matrix. There's no reason why every movie feels it must compete with the Matrix. The Matrix worked because it took place in a dreamworld. Every movie that is inspired with the wirework/cgi fails because they don't have that suspension of disbelief. When you've got Electra taking 20 foot leaps UPWARD onto a ledge, and Daredevil scampering up buildings like he's weightless, there's a problem. As ugly as old school action choreography looks now, post Matrix, it was believable. Personally, it distracts me from a movie when im forced to laugh at some really bad special effects, just put in because its all the rage.

2)Kingpin. Although he didn't have much to work with, Michael Clarke Duncan didn't show enough charisma for the role. And Kingpin was something special in Marvel comics, not only was he a criminal genius, but a proper badguy in his own right. He used to knock heads out on the regular, here, he was just a generic badguy. There's a reason why his name was the KINGPIN, here he went out like a punk.

Overall, the good outweigh's the bad imho. Id put it as one of the better

  

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MCD did alright though. Colin Farrell was great, over-the-top but strangely believable.

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45. "Ben Affleck had nothing to do with it (for me)..."
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I went into this movie with hope and an open mind. The word was that the film-makers, as well as Ben, were big DD fans and stressed it over and over again that they were gonna stay true to the comic, how this was the best comic adaptation since Batman, etc... blah blah blah....

I don't think so.

Melanism hit all the key points. All I can add is that, for me, the downfall of this film had nothing to do with Affleck. I am NOT a big Affleck fan, but i think he is a capable actor. Yes he is overexposed and overrated, but if he is given a good script and good direction, i think he can pull it off. I mean, I HATE Keanu Reeves, but I can still really enjoy the Matrix. Affleck wasn't my problem.

All my problems with this film revolve around two things - writing and directing. The director/co-writer of Daredevil is also responsible for Jack Frost, Simon Birch, Grumpy Old Men and Grumpier Old Men. It shows.

I have to stress how horribly the fight scenes were shot and edited. Way too many tight shots, the predictable fast shutter speed used, and the MTV-editing-style was just hack. I mean, Blade 2 didn't have much in the way of story or dialogue either, but the fight scenes were so well shot and so plentiful that it made up for it. Daredevil had no such redeeming quality. I thought the performances were fine, but the words coming out of their mouths were just corny, tired and predictable. Granted there were some dark moments and a cool move here and there in each fight scene. But overall, it was just one big disappointment after another.

I really stuck up for this film before it came out, because people complained mostly about casting (Affleck) and art direction, and i was more concerned with writing and directing. Well, unfortunately, these elements were it's downfall. At best, this movie is tolerable (due to perhaps colin's nice performance, favreu's comedic element, garner's sex appeal and the dope sonar-vision, but even THAT is a stretch).

Well... at least I got to see the X-Men 2 trailer....


P.S. I will continue have faith with The Hulk though. Daredevil will not deter my support of the comic adaptation. Besides, Ang Lee's track record is reason enough to give the green goliath the benefit of the doubt.


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has the most mixed reviews ever, lol.

For the record, I dug it.

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50. "RE: Jigga's take"
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Went into the flick not expecting much...and that's exactly what I got. Yet strangely enuff, I still enjoyed it. Ben wasnt great in it and @ the same time he wasnt horrible either so he didnt ruin the movie. I think it worked since he was playing a blind man that his expressions didnt need 2 convey 2 much.

Colin Farrell as Bullseye was BY FAR the best thing about the movie. He was hilarious and creppy @ the same time and he played it perfectly. His opening scene cracked me up and it was nice 2 hear him use his native tounge if you will. "Kingpin w/ the roses?...ah yeah he loves that shite" Still dont know why they had 2 dub over "I want a fucking costume" w/ "I want a bleeding costume" Anyhoo...

The film was dark and that's what made me enjoy it so much. Prolly as violent as you can get w/ a PG-13 rating these days.

Kingpin and Bullseye needed more screen time. Besides that and the sometimes cheesy dialouge w/ DD and Elektra I dont really have any other gripes w/ the flick. I didnt read the comic growin up tho either.

Ben Ulrich and Foogy Nelson were both good as well. Foggy rubbin the statues tities was funny as hell.

  

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53. "on par with Spider-Man"
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i have no idea how people can dislike this movie so much, it kicked ass. the fight in the bar was spectacular, the fight with elektra was too, the bullseye fight was fucking great. I went into it not thinking ben affleck could pull it off but he came off nicely, garner was damn good, clark duncan didnt really impress me but he didnt have enough screen time, and colin ferrel was fucking great.
I have a few complaints though, the fight with kingpin was anti climatic after the bullseye fight and they needed to explain how daredevil seemed to heal from elektas wound so fast.
As far as comic book movies are concerned i put this up on the same level as batman, spider-man, and the crow.
I just wish there could be a daredevil/spider-man movie.

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...could this abomination be "on par" with Tim Burton's "Batman." DD had underdeveloped plotlines, a virtually non-existent "major" plot--what WAS the purpose of this movie anyway?--and a woefully miscast lead. Ben Affleck didn't portray a "hero" or even a "tortured soul"--he seemed more like a blind fratboy with (amazingly, enough) a tad too much money and a tad too little discretion.

Colin Farrell was the *best* thing about this horrid tripe. At least with Batman, the villain and hero were connected and their hatred of each other organic--it appears that DD tried to crib directly from Batman and have Kingpin as the person who murdered DD's father (how conveeeeenient?)--but WHAT are Kingpin's motivations? How'd he get to be the head of a major corporation--and what the hell does his corporation actually DO?

Hell, I didn't particularly like Spider-Man, but it was light-years ahead of this wretched waste of Farrell's talent and my $7.75.

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It wasnt better than Batman but it was WAY better than Spiderman. The violence and darkness of DD is better than Batman as well even tho Batman has it beat on many other things. Yeah the character development could've been better and less cheesiness w/ the "love story" (using that term very loosely) but I was very entertained 4 the most part w/ DD. It helped that I wasnt expectin much tho.

Everyone I talked 2 said how great Spiderman was and it was trash. DD bit off of Spiderman but it still topped that movie in almost every thing Spider was trying 2 accomplish.

  

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56. "Not Affleck's fault"
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not MC Duncan.

I can't blame any of the actors from taking away from the film. But I only can give credit for Colin Farrell for adding to it.

All in all, this movie was terrible because of an extremely poor script and fight choreography. The wanna-be Matrix stuff should have been left out. Matrix got its choreography for the Hong-Kong style fighting that has been going on for years in Asian film. Of course Matrix did not do it fully because the actors were not martial artists but they were at least trained. By the looks of this movie, the actors were trained for like two days.

That fight scene between Elektra and Matt Murdoch in the park was classic BS. It looked like some Xena or Beastmaster choreography.

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>not MC Duncan.
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>I can't blame any of the actors from taking away from the
>film. But I only can give credit for Colin Farrell for
>adding to it.

And if he had more screen time the movie would've been much better

By the looks of this movie, the
>actors were trained for like two days.

Afflek used a stunt double in most of his scenes I think. & Colin Farrell is a chain-smoker

>That fight scene between Elektra and Matt Murdoch in the
>park was classic BS. It looked like some Xena or
>Beastmaster choreography.

Lots of peeps have been mentioning that & I never thought about it till now. 2 me it seemed like it was set-up somewhat corny cuz he was blind & she was testing him. Just my 2 cents.

  

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- the first fight scene in the bar - not well shot
- Jennifer Garner - ummm, I might have to rethink my white girl policy
- Colin Farell - Gotta give him (writer) props for the stained glass improvisation. All in all he was a decent character. His tattoo/ritual scar was type creepy.

- Ben Affleck as DD - I liked the pain killers. But how come these hollywood writers can't give these superheroes any character,given that they have at least 30 years of material to work with?

- Foggy - okay on the comic relief
- Ben Ulrich - decent.

The Kingpin - I wanted a white guy, sorry. But MDC was aight. I still don't get how he was put down with that one kick to the shins.

All in all, I shoulda went to a matinee to see this, instead of take a broad out.

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