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Basaglia
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"Poll question: Spike makes ultra-stylized slavery revenge fantasy and..."


  

          


yeah, i'm being an asshole. but, that doesn't make the subject invalid. the question is being BEGGED here. what the fuck would happen if spike just shat on history and make all the whites evil and had slaves just killing the fuck outta white folks? and i mean the flick is visually stunning with beautifully choregraphed operatic violence against slave owners.

would spike get the pass of all passes and have his film judged on its own merits? FUCK NO!

Poll result (25 votes)
Critics ignore "what he was going for" and procede to give him worse reviews of his career. (0 votes)Vote
Ebert loves it, of course. (9 votes)Vote
white people don't understand why the films depicts whites so negatively. (10 votes)Vote
it sweeps the NAACP Image awards. (2 votes)Vote
every black actor in it falls victim to home foreclosure within 18 months. (3 votes)Vote
Basa, I think this just might be your masterpiece. *sarah palin wink* (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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damn you're upset
Aug 23rd 2009
1
and you're upset people have the nerve not to like it. GOOD!
Aug 23rd 2009
3
/post
Aug 23rd 2009
8
Blue.
Aug 23rd 2009
2
well i mean, exactly
Aug 23rd 2009
4
second one...but, it's not just spike
Aug 23rd 2009
5
      RE: second one...but, it's not just spike
Aug 23rd 2009
9
           spike wrote DTRT, and without the safety net of historical backdrop
Aug 23rd 2009
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                RE: spike wrote DTRT, and without the safety net of historical backdrop
Aug 23rd 2009
14
                     man, either back up your shit or shut the fuck up. it ain't about me
Aug 23rd 2009
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                          RE: man, either back up your shit or shut the fuck up. it ain't about me
Aug 23rd 2009
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                               did i say pulp and res were bad? are we talking about them? NO
Aug 23rd 2009
19
well, considering the reception Miracle at St. Anna got...
Aug 23rd 2009
6
Yet that fantasy had 3-dimensional characters who paid for their actions...
Aug 23rd 2009
7
^^projected to be mad in over 37 million ways
Aug 23rd 2009
10
shells, BO is the least of my worries...i'm mad it'll be an oscar nom
Aug 23rd 2009
12
      dat landa getting one, might as well brace for that one
Aug 23rd 2009
13
      I doubt it
Aug 24th 2009
90
           where the fuck have you been the last few years? yeah, they do
Aug 24th 2009
91
                And PULP did too get noms and a win.
Aug 24th 2009
92
So This is how you deflect it not bombing. Got it.
Aug 23rd 2009
15
i'm sure the screams of "PG-13 kids movie" will heal my hurtin heart
Aug 23rd 2009
17
...10 Black people go see it. Nobody cares.
Aug 23rd 2009
20
less an insult and more a commentary on the view of black cinema
Aug 23rd 2009
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      Not even meant as an insult. It's just the truth.
Aug 23rd 2009
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even as a caucasoid, i'd love to see that movie.
Aug 23rd 2009
22
i USED to like taratino, 'til his black fetish became obvious and creepy
Aug 23rd 2009
24
      i'm not sure what you're specifically talking about, but...
Aug 23rd 2009
33
      you dunno what i'm talking about, huh? okay
Aug 23rd 2009
35
      Study up, fam. Get your read on.
Aug 23rd 2009
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           i guess i have too. i mean, i like quentin, i just don't know THAT
Aug 23rd 2009
42
           worse...it's simultaneously reverential, mocking and disdainful
Aug 23rd 2009
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                just wondering, not starting something:
Aug 24th 2009
48
                     simultaneously reverential, mocking and disdainful
Aug 24th 2009
49
           how many times are you going to make this post?
Aug 25th 2009
98
      It was Nazi's who said everything about black ppl in his new film
Aug 24th 2009
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      why would blacks be mentioned at all? period
Aug 24th 2009
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           Why would they be mentioned at all?
Aug 24th 2009
59
                there didn't need to be a black projectionist...
Aug 24th 2009
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                     If you're going to be mad, at least be informed
Aug 24th 2009
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                     and it's completely irrelevent in the context of the film's story
Aug 24th 2009
64
                          you are so damn worried and pathetic
Aug 24th 2009
65
                     So u're saying that black ppl shouldn't be in films b/c they don't &quot...
Aug 24th 2009
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                          i'm saying there was no need for a black person in this movie
Aug 24th 2009
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                               I'm not talking about Miracle of St. Anne
Aug 24th 2009
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                                    it was wack (purposely provocative) because it was 1944 and
Aug 24th 2009
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                                         Well he caused the fire, so he was in scenes with Nazi's
Aug 24th 2009
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                                              yeah, play dumb. he wasn't in ONE FUCKING FRAME with nazis
Aug 24th 2009
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                                                   Well considering he started writing this movie right after Jackie Brown
Aug 24th 2009
84
                                                        he's smart enough not to come in contact, yet landa knows of him?
Aug 24th 2009
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                                                             RE: he's smart enough not to come in contact, yet landa knows of him?
Aug 24th 2009
86
                                                                  whatever he wrote the last 10 years ended up online, dude
Aug 24th 2009
93
      what is the 'king kong scene', is that in this flick or prior?
Aug 24th 2009
75
           Apparently it's in dem Bastards
Aug 24th 2009
76
           its in the current flick
Aug 24th 2009
77
NAT! A Spike Lee Joint starring Isaiah Washington
Aug 23rd 2009
25
that gotdamn halloween trailer made me mad...i hate rob zombie
Aug 23rd 2009
26
Zombie is the Tupac of horror metal or whateva he play
Aug 24th 2009
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Lol. I got tix to see Terence Blanchard live this Wednesday.
Aug 24th 2009
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      Tried not to think of Nat but TB got Dr. Cornel West all over his set
Aug 27th 2009
113
for some reason, I was thinking Spike TV
Aug 23rd 2009
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box office bomb. spike's career finito. race relations set back
Aug 23rd 2009
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he'd be accused him of biting Tarantino's idea
Aug 23rd 2009
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yt here and i like it
Aug 23rd 2009
30
i'd quit my job to audition. flat out. nm
Aug 23rd 2009
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The Autobiography of Nat Turner...starring Kimbo Slice
Aug 23rd 2009
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It would be more interesting than any other movie he's done.
Aug 23rd 2009
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Forget Spike, that would make a fantastic Tarantino movie.
Aug 23rd 2009
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...it opens in less than half the theatres in the country
Aug 23rd 2009
37
half? LMAO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! nigga, NYC, DC, ATL
Aug 23rd 2009
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FYI critics have said a Jewish director couldn't have made Basterds
Aug 23rd 2009
40
i must be a magnet for bad analogies and poor logic
Aug 23rd 2009
41
I'm confused as to how this analogy works.
Aug 24th 2009
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      Um ok. Let me break it down for you.
Aug 24th 2009
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           I feel you on the original post's allegory is different
Aug 24th 2009
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                QT knew it was a win-win
Aug 24th 2009
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                I don't think the Nazi suffering is what's controversial
Aug 24th 2009
82
Didn't Chappelle try this on his show??
Aug 24th 2009
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even he said it wasnt that funny of a sketch
Aug 24th 2009
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      but it was funny tho...
Aug 24th 2009
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      Didn't he say some shit like apparently shooting a slave owner....
Aug 24th 2009
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      not what he said
Aug 24th 2009
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Yes I think they should call it "The Story Of Catcher Freeman"
Aug 24th 2009
45
Other: It wouldn't get financed in the first place.
Aug 24th 2009
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depicting Nazis as evil =/= shitting on history
Aug 24th 2009
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No comparison
Aug 24th 2009
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good point
Aug 24th 2009
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Not to nitpick
Aug 24th 2009
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Are you hungry? Did you get enough sleep? *hands you baby bottle*
Aug 24th 2009
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Maybe Spike should remake Rosewood
Aug 24th 2009
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it would NEVER get made, EVERY critic ('cept Ebert) would pan it.
Aug 24th 2009
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Would the reaction be any different if Scorsese made it?
Aug 24th 2009
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it's actually the subject matter
Aug 24th 2009
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Of course the reaction would be different if Scorsese made it
Aug 24th 2009
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A Nat Turner Movie should have been made a long time ago.
Aug 24th 2009
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Tarantino said on Charlie Rose that if he ever did a biopic....
Aug 24th 2009
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just so he can justify rampant "nigger" usuage and interracial sex
Aug 24th 2009
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damn questo stole your idea and didn't even give credit?
Aug 25th 2009
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^^^ SEES IT
Aug 25th 2009
97
Wow
Aug 25th 2009
99
how's he different from every other OKP the last 4 years?
Aug 25th 2009
100
LOL
Aug 25th 2009
103
^^^talking about frongo
Aug 25th 2009
104
I saw that too. I called him out on it tho.
Aug 25th 2009
101
The reason I had to search for this
Aug 25th 2009
102
Nelson George just Tweeted the same thing:
Aug 26th 2009
109
Holy shit, this movie sounds AWESOME!!!
Aug 25th 2009
105
Tarantino's going to make it.
Aug 26th 2009
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if it makes white people mad, i'm with him...cause it's gonna flop
Aug 26th 2009
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Yeah, that article misquoted the shit outta that interview. lol
Aug 26th 2009
108
That would be the ballsiest movie ever made.
Aug 27th 2009
114
You mean a remake of the 1976's "Brotherhood of Death"?
Aug 26th 2009
110
That's what I was trying to remember. It plays on IFC.
Aug 27th 2009
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      is it any good?
Aug 27th 2009
112

Xibalba
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1. "damn you're upset "
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3. "and you're upset people have the nerve not to like it. GOOD!"
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8. "/post"
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2. "Blue."
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4. "well i mean, exactly"
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but i don't understand why more people aren't complaining about the appalling sadism. the film is just sick

are you really mad at Tarantino for making this? or are you just mad that Spike Lee wouldn't get away with it?

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5. "second one...but, it's not just spike"
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NO other director would get away with this bullshit. like, people are seriously like "well, fuck the story...it looks cool"...and i ain't cysing it. read some of these niggas replies. BASIC film criticism is ignored when it comes to this guy and i don't understand it.

if dude is simultaneously allowed to be fucking mario van peebles and fuckin coppola, well....why bother?

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Xibalba
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9. "RE: second one...but, it's not just spike"
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you're missing something
Spike isn't creative enough to write something like Basterds
take that how you want.
Also, comparing the entire white race to the Nazis is retarded, so the imaginary film you presented would never get made because it's mindless
I understand, you love Spike and you love numbers thus you loathe Tarantino
I absolutely love Spike's films but I also see what you fail to due to your pre meditated feelings towards the filmmakers and not the films
you rate movies on either A) your feeling toward who made them disregarding content or B) how well it does financially
but what leaks through all of this is your terrible taste
You're superficial and full of anger
Although, if Spike Lee was to make a slaveship revenge story with a rogue troupe of hero slaves plotting to kill George Washington, I'd be first in line hoping it would entertain me
I bet it would too!

  

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Basaglia
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11. "spike wrote DTRT, and without the safety net of historical backdrop"
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creative? really? you really wanna go there just because you thought it was COOL that a hugo stiglitz was introduced with a really loud guitar chord?

what exactly was creative about this film? jews the good guys...nazis the bad guys...WWII...kill hitler, end war....FILL IN THE REST!!!

buggin out came from scratch, doggy! aldo raine...not so much. the fucking NAME NOR THE CHARACTER ain't even original.

just shut up.

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Xibalba
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14. "RE: spike wrote DTRT, and without the safety net of historical backdrop"
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it's no use arguing with you
I love Spike
but coming from you his name is dragged through the dirt.
If you don't think Basterds is at the very least a creative effort, you're hating. Period. Noone should respect an opinion from you at that point.
I'd spell it out for you, but the only letter that seems to make sense to your brain is L

  

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16. "man, either back up your shit or shut the fuck up. it ain't about me"
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fuck you and your whine-fest. spike IS dragged through the fuckin mud, actually.

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18. "RE: man, either back up your shit or shut the fuck up. it ain't about me"
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Sun Aug-23-09 03:19 PM by Xibalba

          

I didn't try to back up anything because your argument, if you can call it that, is fucking dumb.
Spike wrote dtrt. Ok. Quentin wrote reservoir dogs. Pulp fiction. Convo done.
You're a superficial hating machine. Hate hate hate. L L L
did you really like the Happening? The Village? Lady in the Water?
Horrible taste. Horrible opinion. Ignoramous.
Plus ur very mad
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Basaglia
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19. "did i say pulp and res were bad? are we talking about them? NO"
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you said spike is incapable of writing AS creative as inglorious basterds. i gave you an example of a story and characters that he created that are MORE creative than inglorious basterds. you then got all huffy like a bitch and made it about me and shelved your argument.

and here we are.

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6. "well, considering the reception Miracle at St. Anna got..."
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which was a pretty stylized fantasy, even featuring a rather direct revenge fantasy

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I'd say no one would really even care that one of the greatest American filmmaker of the last 20 years was doing anything at all

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7. "Yet that fantasy had 3-dimensional characters who paid for their actions..."
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>which was a pretty stylized fantasy, even featuring a rather
>direct revenge fantasy

So it's kinda different.

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10. "^^projected to be mad in over 37 million ways"
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12. "shells, BO is the least of my worries...i'm mad it'll be an oscar nom"
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i have NO DOUBT that this movie will be reationalized and plea-copped right into oscardom.

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13. "dat landa getting one, might as well brace for that one"
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prolly released too early for the biggies tho

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90. "I doubt it"
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The oscars don't go for violent films, which is why Pulp Fiction saw nothing.

  

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91. "where the fuck have you been the last few years? yeah, they do"
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departed
no country for old men

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92. "And PULP did too get noms and a win. "
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His violent film argument is flawed out the gates. lol

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15. "So This is how you deflect it not bombing. Got it. "
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Nope!!! Best openIng!!! You mad as fuck!!!! Dat 'tino good!

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17. "i'm sure the screams of "PG-13 kids movie" will heal my hurtin heart"
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because m. night doing 200 easily. and 500 worldwide.

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20. "...10 Black people go see it. Nobody cares. "
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21. "less an insult and more a commentary on the view of black cinema"
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thanks for helping.

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23. "Not even meant as an insult. It's just the truth. "
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You're welcome.

  

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22. "even as a caucasoid, i'd love to see that movie."
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but then again, i love spike. soo......


basaglia, i like tarantino AND spike AND m night. is that reconcilable in your world?

  

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24. "i USED to like taratino, 'til his black fetish became obvious and creepy"
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if--after ALL the shit we've discussed here on this board and what's been discussed openly throughout the culture about this man's clear obsession with injecting the word "nigger," random dialouge about black people and objectifying black women--you sat through that king kong scene, AFTER the shit about blacks being the source of american's athletic prowess, and didn't feel just a smidge uncomfy, annoyed, betrayed, pissed, disgusted...SOMETHING...if you just let it slide, like it was fuckin cool...then, fuck you. seriously...fuck all of you.

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33. "i'm not sure what you're specifically talking about, but..."
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i don't think that quentin has a specific "black" fetish, really.

the guy is a fucking lunatic weirdo, but i don't think he's a racist.

a culture vulture maybe...

idk, i found this movie to be highly entertaining.

  

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35. "you dunno what i'm talking about, huh? okay"
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39. "Study up, fam. Get your read on."
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>i don't think that quentin has a specific "black" fetish,
>really.

It's been well-documented, from him film work, his interviews, and his general state of being.

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42. "i guess i have too. i mean, i like quentin, i just don't know THAT "
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much about him.

i mean, is it a black fetish in the same way that it seems like he has an asian fetish?

  

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43. "worse...it's simultaneously reverential, mocking and disdainful"
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48. "just wondering, not starting something:"
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what did you think of jackie brown, then?

  

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49. "simultaneously reverential, mocking and disdainful"
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98. "how many times are you going to make this post?"
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You're as obsessed with him as he is with black people.

  

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54. "It was Nazi's who said everything about black ppl in his new film"
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Why would he make a revenge fantasy film about Nazi's and then get Nazi's (The very same ppl who he brutalized on-screen) to be his mouth-piece for his views on blacks?

And further more how is the King Kong dialogue racist? Did he say any derogatory terms? no. Did he put down black ppl and/or culture? no. The only thing that you could argue as racist was that the Nazi's laughed at the comparison. BUT THEY'RE NAZIS!!!!!! They are racists!

  

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56. "why would blacks be mentioned at all? period"
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so you're completely unfamiliar with king kong as allegory for black men coveting white women?

really? no wonder.

was it derogatory...LMAO!!! child

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59. "Why would they be mentioned at all?"
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B/c Jesse Owens was a big thing that happened not too long before that, b/c there was a black projectionist, b/c Nazi were obsessed with races.

I am familiar with that analogy but that's not what was talked about. You can assume or project all you want but not one word was spoken about King Kong's love for Ann being a metaphor for all black men having a desire for white women.

  

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61. "there didn't need to be a black projectionist..."
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and jesse owens happened fucking 8 years before the setting of the film's "story"....the americans were on the beach.

no

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63. "If you're going to be mad, at least be informed"
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Black Victims
Question:
I am a black-british postgradute student living in London. I know from research into the black European experience, that there were many black people here just before WW2. I am wondering what happened to them under the Third Reich. Could you possibly enlighten me? I would particularly appreciate any book or internet site references which you think may be of use. I am really pleased that you are so determined to educate future generations about the Holocaust, it is a lesson that we all, from whichever race we originate, must never forget or allow to be denied or trvialised by those who have much to learn about the sanctity of life

Harry W. Mazal OBE answers:
I am one of the volunteers in the Holocaust History who responds to questions from our readers. It is possible that you will receive other answers from my colleagues.

There are a number of references to the treatment of blacks by the Nazis both in their own publications as well as those written by observers. The most recent book to come into my hands is:

The African-German Experience: Critical Essays
Carol Aisha Blackshire-Belay
c. 1996, Praeger Publishers (Westport CT)
ISBN 0-275-95079-4


Chapter 5 is an essay by Susan Semples, "African Germans in the Third Reich." You can obtain considerable information about the subject not only from her text, but from a vast bibliography that she cites at the end of the chapter. The first paragraph reads:


While the racial policies of the Third Reich toward the Jews is well-documented, the fate of the African or biracial Germans living in Germany during the Third Reich has not generated much attention. The one notable exception is Reiner Pommerin's seminal study, Sterilisierung der Rheinlandbastarde. Das Schicksal einer farbigen deutschen Minderheit 1918-1937 (1979) which examines the public and political reaction to these children and documents their forced sterilization during the Third Reich. More recently in The Racial State: Germany 1933-1945, Michael Burleigh and Wolfgang Wipperman (1991)also briefly discuss the persecution of the Rhineland African-Germans during this period.
She goes on to say (excerpted):


The biracial Rhineland Germans fathered by black (or mixed black) French Colonial occupation troops after World War I constituted the largest group of African Germans. It is commonly accepted that the Rhineland African-Germans roughly numbered between five hundred and eight hundred. No exact figures exist for other African Germans who were scattered throughout the Reich. A conservative estimate would be that the combined total for all African Germans was about a thousand.
A very brief description of the plight of black people in Germany can be found in:

The Other Victims: First Person Stories of Non-Jews Persecuted by the Nazis
Ina R. Friedman
c. 1990, Houghton Mifflin (Boston)
ISBN 0-395-50212-8


The brief chapter on blacks (pp. 91-93) is chilling. It starts with an odious comment by Adolf Hitler:


The mulatto children came about through rape or the white mother was a whore.In both cases, there is not the slightest moral duty regarding these offspring of a foreign race.
Three brief paragraphs from this chapter:


Though black entertainers were popular in Germany before Hitler came to power, they were boycotted when the Nazis took over. A book entitled Degenerate Music: An Accounting was published in 1938. The cover shows a black musician with a Jewish star on his lapel. Hitler's hatred of blacks extended to black athletes. When Jesse Owens, the American track star, won three gold medals at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, Hitler refused to be present when the medals were awarded.
Though there were relatively few blacks in Germany, Hitler discriminated between black and white prisoners of war. Black soldiers captured during World War II were separated from their units and shot.

Historians are just beginning to examine the Nazi files on blacks. Much of the information has yet to be obtained and made available to the public. To date, the few existent publications are available only in German.

  

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64. "and it's completely irrelevent in the context of the film's story"
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bad try...as usual. go fuckin plan some bland weekend excursion with your bros or something.

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65. "you are so damn worried and pathetic"
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67. "So u're saying that black ppl shouldn't be in films b/c they don't &quot..."
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to be in it?
hmmm interesting.... Didn't Clint Eastwood have the same opinion about his 2 WW2 films, while Spike Lee held the Tarantino view....

And 8 years isn't that long ago back then, considering a) the olympics were a huge deal back then b) they only happened every 4 years as oppose to every 2 years now

I mean King Kong happened almost 10 years before the story and they're still talking about that. Ppl actually took in events and talked about them long after the Monday or Tuesday following like nowadays.

  

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69. "i'm saying there was no need for a black person in this movie"
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a jew girl and her black boyfriend? seriously? shit is wack

spike's films was ABOUT black soldiers in WWII

how dumb are you gonna play this?

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72. "I'm not talking about Miracle of St. Anne"
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I'm talking about his comments towards Clint Eastwood's 2 WWII films.

How is it "wack" for a jewish woman to have a black boyfriend?

  

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73. "it was wack (purposely provocative) because it was 1944 and"
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they were in nazi-occupied france.

answer me this: why do you think tarantino chose not to have the black boyfriend in ANY scenes with fucking nazis?

you are playing dumb and it's annoying.

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74. "Well he caused the fire, so he was in scenes with Nazi's"
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As far as confrontations with Nazi's, he might have shot stuff or just written it and not liked (There was a lot cut from the movie).

How was it provocative? And to who? Do you really think Tarantino is reading your messages on here and making his scripts according to what will piss you off more?

  

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78. "yeah, play dumb. he wasn't in ONE FUCKING FRAME with nazis"
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>As far as confrontations with Nazi's, he might have shot
>stuff or just written it and not liked (There was a lot cut
>from the movie).

no, the reason he's not in any scenes is because we would have had to come face to face with REALITY...and reality is a black man, who ONLY interacts with a white woman, walking around unharmed in nazi-occupied france is bullshit. you know it is. grow up and be critical.

so, he had the dude creeping around and poking his head out moments after the nazis leave and creeping around the empty lobby while hundreds of nazis watch a movie.

so, it's a bit more than merely convenient that brah-man had zero interaction with fucking nazis.

lame.

and there were never any scenes with brah-man and nazis written, so stop it. read the script. it's got more great stuff about black being compared to gorillas in there.

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84. "Well considering he started writing this movie right after Jackie Brown"
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And wrote many versions of the script, so it's very unbelievable that you were able to read every single version of the script and feel as confident as you do to say there was never any scenes written.

Also maybe the reason he doesn't come in contact with the Nazi's b/c he's smart enough to not to. Maybe that's why she's with a black man b/c they can both relate on that level and found more.

I'm not playing dumb, I'm trying to get u explain everything b/c you keep throwing out these huge allegations that I don't see.

  

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85. "he's smart enough not to come in contact, yet landa knows of him?"
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>And wrote many versions of the script, so it's very
>unbelievable that you were able to read every single version
>of the script and feel as confident as you do to say there was
>never any scenes written.

no, there aren't many versions of the scripts. nearly every bit of the pages myself and everyone else who cared read were shot...some scene just didn't make the final cut.

>Also maybe the reason he doesn't come in contact with the
>Nazi's b/c he's smart enough to not to.

this made me suck my fucking teeth. this is stupid

Maybe that's why she's
>with a black man b/c they can both relate on that level and
>found more.

or maybe it's because he thougtht it would be "cool"...ya know, like having the "the bear jew" (cool name...part of the lexicon now...bravo, Q) bash a nazi skull in and shout out teddy ballgame.

>I'm not playing dumb, I'm trying to get u explain everything
>b/c you keep throwing out these huge allegations that I don't
>see.

you don't see it because you didn't bother watching the film with a critical eye. you already knew you'd like it and found no reasons not to because you weren't looking. i knew i wouldn't like it because i knew he'd force something about black folks in there like he always does and it was thrown right in my fucking face...and besides that, i couldn't even take solace in an interesting story.

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86. "RE: he's smart enough not to come in contact, yet landa knows of him?"
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>>And wrote many versions of the script, so it's very
>>unbelievable that you were able to read every single version
>>of the script and feel as confident as you do to say there
>was
>>never any scenes written.

Who's playing stupid now? You're telling me that between 1997 and 2007/8 (The years he spent on the script) there's only 1, 1 version of the script????? You telling me he spent 10 years on the exact same script without any changes, just perfecting dialogue?

>no, there aren't many versions of the scripts. nearly every
>bit of the pages myself and everyone else who cared read were
>shot...some scene just didn't make the final cut.
You read 1 version that was leaked, he obviously wrote more than 1 version if he spent that long on on it.
>
>>Also maybe the reason he doesn't come in contact with the
>>Nazi's b/c he's smart enough to not to.
>
>this made me suck my fucking teeth. this is stupid
How is it stupid? He hide from the Nazi's he's alive and well but you're mad. But if he went out freely and got the shit kicked out of him or shot and you'd happy b/c realism was brought to a film that rewrote history.

>Maybe that's why she's
>>with a black man b/c they can both relate on that level and
>>found more.
>
>or maybe it's because he thougtht it would be "cool"...ya
>know, like having the "the bear jew" (cool name...part of the
>lexicon now...bravo, Q) bash a nazi skull in and shout out
>teddy ballgame.
Except there was nothing in the film that showed he was going for just "cool".

>>I'm not playing dumb, I'm trying to get u explain everything
>>b/c you keep throwing out these huge allegations that I
>don't
>>see.
>
>you don't see it because you didn't bother watching the film
>with a critical eye. you already knew you'd like it and found
>no reasons not to because you weren't looking. i knew i
>wouldn't like it because i knew he'd force something about
>black folks in there like he always does and it was thrown
>right in my fucking face...and besides that, i couldn't even
>take solace in an interesting story.
I didn't watch it with a critical eye? or I didn't watch it with your critical eyes? I can think of a few things that I had a problem with the film. #1 The David Bowie song although worked for the style he was trying to create, it nevertheless very much seemed out of place. #2 None of the basterds besides Brad Pitt, Eli Roth and the Hugo guy were anything more than background, not even flat characters just non-existant. #3 Mike Myers should have had more of a role or no role at all, you spent the whole time trying to figure out why he used him for such a small part than getting any entertainment out of his role. #4 The fact that Landa put so much trust into the Basterds deal isn't believable. He was one of the smartest guys in the film, in each scene in the film it was as if he knew exactly how everything was going to play out. Why would he lose his instinct all of a sudden?

  

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93. "whatever he wrote the last 10 years ended up online, dude"
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>Who's playing stupid now? You're telling me that between 1997
>and 2007/8 (The years he spent on the script) there's only 1,
>1 version of the script????? You telling me he spent 10 years
>on the exact same script without any changes, just perfecting
>dialogue?

1. he rights by hand.
2. whatever was TYPED THE FUCK UP AND UPLOADED is all we can go on.


>>this made me suck my fucking teeth. this is stupid

>How is it stupid? He hide from the Nazi's he's alive and well
>but you're mad.

did you not hear landa refer to that man? everyone knows he was there. why don't get ANY explanation why nazis are letting a black man walk around unharmed in paris.

>But if he went out freely and got the shit
>kicked out of him or shot and you'd happy b/c realism was
>brought to a film that rewrote history.

well, if this ain't the ultimate bitch ass appeal to racial allegiance and morality i have ever witnessed....you know what? YES! i wish the nazis woulda fucking killed him...because it makes sense.

>Except there was nothing in the film that showed he was going
>for just "cool".

everything in the film was going for "cool"...that's why there are so many inconsistences.

and a black man's mere EXISTENCE in the story of a french jewish girl living in nazi paris is nothing other than "cool."

#1 The David Bowie song although
>worked for the style he was trying to create, it nevertheless
>very much seemed out of place.

eh...didn't bother me.


#2 None of the basterds besides
>Brad Pitt, Eli Roth and the Hugo guy were anything more than
>background, not even flat characters just non-existant.

that happens when dealing with so many characters.


#3
>Mike Myers should have had more of a role or no role at all,
>you spent the whole time trying to figure out why he used him
>for such a small part than getting any entertainment out of
>his role.

he was completely gratutious.


#4 The fact that Landa put so much trust into the
>Basterds deal isn't believable.

less believeable than an interracial couple running a movie theater together in 1944 paris? really? now you question plausibility? wait...is this about me? do you just not wanna admit a black guy hanging out in naziville is bogus because i'm shitting on it heavy?


He was one of the smartest
>guys in the film, in each scene in the film it was as if he
>knew exactly how everything was going to play out. Why would
>he lose his instinct all of a sudden?

yeah, i mean...why would he?

because 'tanko had y'all at "bear jew"

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75. "what is the 'king kong scene', is that in this flick or prior?"
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>if--after ALL the shit we've discussed here on this board and
>what's been discussed openly throughout the culture about this
>man's clear obsession with injecting the word "nigger," random
>dialouge about black people and objectifying black women--you
>sat through that king kong scene, AFTER the shit about blacks
>being the source of american's athletic prowess, and didn't
>feel just a smidge uncomfy, annoyed, betrayed, pissed,
>disgusted...SOMETHING...if you just let it slide, like it was
>fuckin cool...then, fuck you. seriously...fuck all of you.

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76. "Apparently it's in dem Bastards"
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77. "its in the current flick"
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Tarantino is a racist, man. its some deep hatred going on there with him.

plain and simple.

in every movie of his (save for the Kill Bills)

its some crossing the line bullsh*t.

but in 'Basterds he does it again (and not just with the king kong sh*t), as Basaglia mentioned. and its unnecessary.



>>if--after ALL the shit we've discussed here on this board
>and
>>what's been discussed openly throughout the culture about
>this
>>man's clear obsession with injecting the word "nigger,"
>random
>>dialouge about black people and objectifying black
>women--you
>>sat through that king kong scene, AFTER the shit about
>blacks
>>being the source of american's athletic prowess, and didn't
>>feel just a smidge uncomfy, annoyed, betrayed, pissed,
>>disgusted...SOMETHING...if you just let it slide, like it
>was
>>fuckin cool...then, fuck you. seriously...fuck all of you.
>

<--- we've got bush!

  

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25. "NAT! A Spike Lee Joint starring Isaiah Washington"
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Score by Terence Blanchard
Screenplay by Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

Director of Photography- Rob Zombie


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Basaglia
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26. "that gotdamn halloween trailer made me mad...i hate rob zombie"
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i wish a poser-hatin drop squad would snatch up him and manson and take them bitches to an abadoned warehourse, clean them up--nice cuts, nice clothes--and drop they asses off right in fuckin connecticut and let them fend for themselves.

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79. "Zombie is the Tupac of horror metal or whateva he play"
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His is just like Scott Turow- dude is an accomplished lawyer, so he branched out into making money selling books about lawyers...Rob Zombie was a pretty good 'scary biker/horror movie extra' musician, and he's carved a career out of making 'scary' movies.

I would love to see Spike and Zombie collab so I could be on the set when Zombie argues with the FOI security about bringing his dogs on the set...

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71. "Lol. I got tix to see Terence Blanchard live this Wednesday."
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And now I'll be thinkin bout a Nat score the whole time.

  

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113. "Tried not to think of Nat but TB got Dr. Cornel West all over his set"
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My girl bought the new CD after the show

>And now I'll still be thinkin bout a Nat score the whole time.

  

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27. "for some reason, I was thinking Spike TV"
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damn, maybe Spike Lee had a point, haha

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28. "box office bomb. spike's career finito. race relations set back"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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29. "he'd be accused him of biting Tarantino's idea"
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for a history rewrite in which the wronged group gets revenge as shown in scenes operatic and well choreographed violence.

Kidding aside, its an interesting question.

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30. "yt here and i like it"
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nm

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31. "i'd quit my job to audition. flat out. nm"
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32. "The Autobiography of Nat Turner...starring Kimbo Slice"
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DEAR GOD I SMELL OSCAR!

or @ least a Hoodie


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34. "It would be more interesting than any other movie he's done. "
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That actually sounds like an awesome idea for a movie.

Revive Wesley Snipes' career by giving him the lead.

They could even give it a name like "The Cotten Club" with Wes, Denzel, Sam Jackson, Issiah Washington, Chiwetel (sp?). Maybe even Tiny Lister.

"These slaves ain't picking cotton--they're digging GRAVES!!!"

I think there could be a kind of twist halfway through we're they team up with some Native Americans to really start whooping ass.

Sadly, though, this is a cinematic middle finger that no filmmaker is ready to throw up.

  

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36. "Forget Spike, that would make a fantastic Tarantino movie."
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37. "...it opens in less than half the theatres in the country"
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38. "half? LMAO!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! nigga, NYC, DC, ATL"
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40. "FYI critics have said a Jewish director couldn't have made Basterds"
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So....your whole post is based on a false premise.

  

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41. "i must be a magnet for bad analogies and poor logic"
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who gives a fuck what these nameless "critics" have said. a film about vengeful slaves featuring a-list actors would never be made...period. spike or no spike.

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47. "I'm confused as to how this analogy works."
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Especially considering two Jewish brothers financed and distributed the film.

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55. "Um ok. Let me break it down for you."
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Black director making "revenge fantasy" movie about slaves killing whites is not equivalent to a non-Jewish director making "revenge fantasy" movie about Jews killing Nazis.

Black director making "revenge fantasy" movie about slaves killing SLAVE-OWNERS is equivalent to a JEWISH director making "revenge fantasy" movie about Jews killing Nazis

I've read "No Jewish director could have made this movie" about Basterds.

And Tarantino has been slammed for what he's done. Read the Daniel Mendelsohn review, for example- http://www.newsweek.com/id/212016

  

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57. "I feel you on the original post's allegory is different"
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And I see the point, although I disagree with this article.

My take on it, is that QT's take on it is very pulpy. A Jewish director would be a tad too close to the material to make it as cartoony as QT did. I don't agree with the whole 'jews acting like nazi's themselves' theory, because like I said later in this post; Nazi's have been a popular badguy in pop culture to beat up on. I don't think anybody shed a tear for the nazi getting his face melted in Raiders of the Lost Ark for instance. It seems unfair to put the mantle of 'exploiting nazi death' on QT, lol.

  

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58. "QT knew it was a win-win"
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nobody really cares about it, because QT knows its generally accepted to hate Nazi's given the history.

so instead of "Kill Bill"

its "Kill Nazi's" aka Inglorious Basterds.

he is not exploiting Nazi death.

he is actually exploiting Jewish pain and flips it.

so he wins on all levels with this movie.


>And I see the point, although I disagree with this article.
>
>My take on it, is that QT's take on it is very pulpy. A
>Jewish director would be a tad too close to the material to
>make it as cartoony as QT did. I don't agree with the whole
>'jews acting like nazi's themselves' theory, because like I
>said later in this posts; Nazi's have been a popular badguy in
>pop culture to beat up on. I don't think anybody shed a tear
>for the nazi getting his face melted in Raiders of the Lost
>Ark for instance. It seems unfair to put the mantle of
>'exploiting nazi death' on QT, lol.

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82. "I don't think the Nazi suffering is what's controversial"
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It's the Basterds' taking such sadistic pleasure in making the Nazis suffer. "Are we becoming just as bad as they are?" "Is the appropriate response to violence more violence?" etc.

  

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44. "Didn't Chappelle try this on his show??"
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Wasn't it on that episode of shit that didnt make prime time??

Interesting how a black white supremacist=funny, but the haters shooting an overseer=not so funny.

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50. "even he said it wasnt that funny of a sketch"
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it was a time-traveling Player Haters sketch that went off the rails way before they shot the overseer

  

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87. "but it was funny tho..."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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88. "Didn't he say some shit like apparently shooting a slave owner...."
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is only funny to me & Neil??

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95. "not what he said"
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45. "Yes I think they should call it "The Story Of Catcher Freeman""
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would be awesome

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46. "Other: It wouldn't get financed in the first place."
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51. "depicting Nazis as evil =/= shitting on history"
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how else should they be portrayed?

  

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52. "No comparison"
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We've had 70 years worth of cinema dedicated to building the Nazi mythos, enough to the point that now all you need is an actor in a uniform and you already have all the backstory/motivation a movie needs. Basically, see every movie featuring Nazi's in past 30 years.

A more apt scenario would be a bunch of slaves going after the KKK (another heavily demonized group with built in audience expectations).

I find it off how people are mad at the whole jew vs nazi angle, considering how universally H-A-T-E-D Nazi's are as antagonists in movies.

  

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62. "good point"
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>We've had 70 years worth of cinema dedicated to building the
>Nazi mythos, enough to the point that now all you need is an
>actor in a uniform and you already have all the
>backstory/motivation a movie needs. Basically, see every
>movie featuring Nazi's in recent memory as an example.
>
>A more apt scenario would be a bunch of slaves going after the
>KKK (another heavily demonized group with built in audience
>expectations).
>
>I find it off how people are mad at the whole jew vs nazi
>angle, considering how universally H-A-T-E-D Nazi's are as
>protagonists in movies.


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80. "Not to nitpick"
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>A more apt scenario would be a bunch of slaves going after the
>KKK (another heavily demonized group with built in audience
>expectations).

The KKK was started by Confederate Civil Rights veterans. Accordingly, slaves couldn't go after KKK members (former slaves could).

Okay, that was nitpicking.

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53. "Are you hungry? Did you get enough sleep? *hands you baby bottle*"
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There you go little fella. You drink up your widdle formula, then you can take a widdle nap, and you'll feel all better in the morning.

Oh yes you will....yes you will! *tickles your belly*

  

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60. "Maybe Spike should remake Rosewood"
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66. "it would NEVER get made, EVERY critic ('cept Ebert) would pan it."
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but I would buy tickets for every member of my family and see it 2 or 3 times.

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68. "Would the reaction be any different if Scorsese made it?"
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instead of Spike?

Is the subject matter, the film itself, or the creators that would stir up shit?

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70. "it's actually the subject matter"
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83. "Of course the reaction would be different if Scorsese made it"
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Like pointed above the content of the film would make it almost impossible to get made. BUT if it could be made, depending on who made it would provide vastly different reactions. If imagine if Soderburgh made it or John Singleton, Craig Brewer or Mario Van Pebbles. Although nobody could get away scar-free, some could get away with it alittle more b/c their fanbase and film critics will defend anything they do.

  

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81. "A Nat Turner Movie should have been made a long time ago."
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Hell I'd go see a John Brown movie. Admittedly, I don't think anyone else would.

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89. "Tarantino said on Charlie Rose that if he ever did a biopic...."
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...he'd want to do a John Brown film.

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94. "just so he can justify rampant "nigger" usuage and interracial sex"
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96. "damn questo stole your idea and didn't even give credit?"
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97. "^^^ SEES IT"
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99. "Wow"
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.

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100. "how's he different from every other OKP the last 4 years? "
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i'm used to it

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103. "LOL"
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104. "^^^talking about frongo"
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101. "I saw that too. I called him out on it tho."
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but since this is HIS website, Iono really know if it matters WHO he stole it from, if he got it from here.

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102. "The reason I had to search for this"
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109. "Nelson George just Tweeted the same thing:"
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"If Spike made a film where the NAACP lynched KKK members n da 1920s & ended segregation u'd have the black version of Inglorious Basterds"

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105. "Holy shit, this movie sounds AWESOME!!!"
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I wanna see it!

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106. "Tarantino's going to make it."
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With the $65 million international weekend gross for Nazi-scalping, WWII-abbreviating adventure-comedy Inglourious Basterds proving a huge demand for movies in which true events are delightfully reimagined by Quentin Tarantino, the question now is, Which part of history will he tackle next? Why not American slavery? In a pretty great interview on Friday's Charlie Rose, Tarantino reiterated his plans to one day make a movie based on the life of abolitionist John Brown — the guy whose unsuccessful attempt to start a slave revolt at Harper's Ferry in 1859 fueled the movement that helped start the Civil War — who Tarantino told Rose is "my favorite American who ever lived."

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107. "if it makes white people mad, i'm with him...cause it's gonna flop"
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and his career gonna be in shambles. but if he got the guts to do that shit and make it GRITTAY and kill them slave owners up graphically and mercilessly, i gots to fuck wit him.

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108. "Yeah, that article misquoted the shit outta that interview. lol"
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114. "That would be the ballsiest movie ever made."
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Might rival the Birth of a Nation. Talk about sparking a racial dialogue. I think Hollywood would shy away from this. Tarantino would have to fund this movie himself. I don't know who would distribute this movie.
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110. "You mean a remake of the 1976's "Brotherhood of Death"?"
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0207359/

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111. "That's what I was trying to remember. It plays on IFC."
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112. "is it any good?"
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