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"A Serious Man: the newest Coen Brothers film"
Sat Oct-10-09 06:38 PM by Frank Longo

  

          

http://www.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/aseriousman/ <-- click here for Apple-quality trailer
http://bit.ly/t6G3h <-- click here to see the trailer from my site and get Longo paid

Personally, I'm not sure about the film yet, since I know literally zero about it. But that's probably a good thing-- I'd see a Coens flick without the trailer, and I tend to prefer trailers that don't give it all away.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Well, I'm intrigued
Jul 30th 2009
1
Please stop it.
Jul 30th 2009
2
I'm there.
Jul 30th 2009
3
I hope its better than Burn After Reading/Refund After Watching
Jul 30th 2009
4
me too
Jul 30th 2009
6
RE: me three nm
Jul 30th 2009
10
I don't get the Burn After Reading hate
Aug 05th 2009
12
that movie was hilarious.
Sep 30th 2009
14
      I just saw it recently, and thought the same.
Nov 04th 2009
54
I'm there.
Jul 30th 2009
5
Looks more "significant" than "Burn After Reading" ...
Jul 30th 2009
7
Me too.
Jul 30th 2009
8
      This film is pretty freakin' dark. Don't let the ads fool you.
Oct 14th 2009
23
           It's about as dark as their last one. Everything came off hokey.
Oct 14th 2009
28
                I too didn't like the opening scene. The rest worked for me, though.
Oct 14th 2009
31
                     It only worked for me, because I saw it for free.
Oct 14th 2009
32
                          RE: It only worked for me, because I saw it for free.
Oct 14th 2009
35
                               RE: It only worked for me, because I saw it for free.
Oct 14th 2009
38
Any Coen brothers movie without A-list celebroactors is usually great
Jul 30th 2009
9
I can think of one: Blood Simple, 1985
Aug 04th 2009
11
Seen it. Mazel Tov, Coens! It's good! And funny!
Sep 30th 2009
13
excellent.
Sep 30th 2009
15
They must love fuckin with the audience on these endings
Oct 08th 2009
16
DAMN. They cranked out another winner here.
Oct 10th 2009
17
the ending isnt shocking
Oct 11th 2009
18
      Did yall see the boom mic in that one scene? (spoiler)
Oct 12th 2009
19
           Peeped it last night in Chitown...
Oct 13th 2009
20
           Boom mic is the projectionist's issue, not the director's.
Oct 13th 2009
21
                Ah ok thanks. Always wondered how that could go overlooked.
Oct 13th 2009
22
not sure i understand the message/meaning behind the film
Oct 14th 2009
24
You felt bad for the main character the entire time?!?!?
Oct 14th 2009
25
oh i hear you, but that still goes against the message in the film
Oct 14th 2009
26
      RE: oh i hear you, but that still goes against the message in the film
Oct 14th 2009
27
           RE: oh i hear you, but that still goes against the message in the film
Oct 14th 2009
29
                You know how I know you're Goy?
Oct 14th 2009
30
                     Because I said I didn't get a lot of the jewmour from the jump
Oct 14th 2009
33
                          word up, but you also didn't get the movie.
Oct 14th 2009
34
                               Congrats. The over/under was set at 40 for this reply.
Oct 14th 2009
37
                                    ^^^ dead-end
Oct 14th 2009
39
                                         ^^^A Serious Stan
Oct 15th 2009
40
The opening scene:
Oct 14th 2009
36
The message, as I saw it:
Nov 01st 2009
52
Wow. The densest Coens movie ever?
Oct 19th 2009
41
The scene at the beach.
Oct 23rd 2009
42
Great moment in a movie full of them.
Oct 28th 2009
45
What the movie was about, aside from taking L's?
Oct 27th 2009
43
What do you think it's about?
Oct 28th 2009
46
      ^^Rabbi #2
Oct 28th 2009
47
           LMAO
Oct 29th 2009
48
           lol
Mar 01st 2010
87
And how many breaks were in this flick, 2-3?
Oct 27th 2009
44
Finally saw it. That was one of the best things I've seen in a while.
Nov 01st 2009
49
^
Nov 01st 2009
50
That feels like a pretty undeniable interpretation.
Nov 01st 2009
51
wow
Nov 19th 2009
56
*tips hat*
Nov 19th 2009
57
      I think it's easy for film people to dismiss the science
Nov 19th 2009
58
well then.
Mar 01st 2010
88
Hmm, actually this interpretation sorta changes how I see the film.
Jan 14th 2011
105
that was the most jewish thing I've ever seen in my life
Nov 04th 2009
53
How many crosscutting sequences were there? 3?
Nov 19th 2009
55
How comes u aint tell me wollawitz was in this?
Nov 29th 2009
59
Wow, this is tough to sit thru, worst Coen movie I've seen
Feb 16th 2010
60
Um
Feb 16th 2010
61
I'm sure he meant The Ladykillers
Feb 16th 2010
62
      I did, apologies to anyone thinking I meant Coens & Rodney collaborated
Feb 16th 2010
63
      no kidding
Feb 16th 2010
64
My take:
Feb 17th 2010
66
RE: My take:
Feb 17th 2010
69
      RE: My take:
Feb 17th 2010
70
           RE: My take:
Feb 17th 2010
71
                well, it's a parable.
Feb 18th 2010
73
                     Excellent analysis, you are spot-on
Feb 18th 2010
74
                     Gorgeously put in that last sentence. Spot on.
Feb 18th 2010
75
                     I understand/appreciate the parable angle along w/the virtues expressed
Feb 18th 2010
77
                          That's fair.
Feb 19th 2010
78
                               I had no problem with the acting performance, he played a nebbishy guy
Feb 19th 2010
82
it's a movie that wasn't really made with you in mind
Feb 19th 2010
79
      Moonstruck wasn't made w/me in mind either, I found it entertaining tho
Feb 19th 2010
81
           yeah it was actually
Feb 19th 2010
83
                it was?
Feb 19th 2010
84
                     cmon.
Feb 20th 2010
85
                          wasnt so much the lack of 'relatability' (though I had trouble relating
Feb 22nd 2010
86
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a155/jkfitzpa/in-living-color.jpg
Feb 17th 2010
65
Snatch is too British
Feb 17th 2010
67
Apparently I've struck a nerve
Feb 17th 2010
68
      Not a nerve, and not just you
Feb 18th 2010
72
           lol @ this whole line of thinking
Feb 18th 2010
76
                First of all, no, you can't.
Feb 19th 2010
80
Joel: "The goy didn't get the movie."
Mar 01st 2010
89
^^^If This Reply Slayed You, GO RENT A SERIOUS MAN ASAP!!!
Mar 01st 2010
90
      a rabbi & a goy walk into a movie theater together...
Mar 01st 2010
91
           *rolls credits*
Mar 01st 2010
92
           ^^^'You Mad' Lovingly Explored In Jewish Parable Form
Mar 02nd 2010
93
                jew mad, son?
Mar 02nd 2010
96
                     no shlomo
Mar 02nd 2010
98
                          LOL
Mar 02nd 2010
99
someone has to have a picture
Mar 02nd 2010
94
aaaagh
Mar 02nd 2010
95
      ha yeah that shit had my dying
Mar 02nd 2010
97
The Tyler Perry movie of Jewish cinema
Mar 02nd 2010
100
Daddy's Little Girls>>>>>>A Serious Man
Mar 08th 2010
101
      i enjoyed it
Mar 09th 2010
102
Loved it,
Mar 09th 2010
103
most stylistically accurate "high" scenes ever.
Mar 09th 2010
104
I don't want Santana Abraxis. I've just been in a terrible auto acciden...
Jan 14th 2011
106

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1. "Well, I'm intrigued"
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2. "Please stop it. "
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3. "I'm there. "
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4. "I hope its better than Burn After Reading/Refund After Watching"
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6. "me too"
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10. "RE: me three nm"
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12. "I don't get the Burn After Reading hate"
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it was a fun (though nihilistic), blow-off-steam flick they made after one of their more brutal pictures. I know some people were expecting it to be the next "Lebwoski," as it followed a similar film (e.g. award-winning, critically acclaimed, "dark" drama), and the names only inflated the hype. Hell, I liked it.

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14. "that movie was hilarious."
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*shrug*

  

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54. "I just saw it recently, and thought the same."
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5. "I'm there."
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7. "Looks more "significant" than "Burn After Reading" ..."
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... although I'm still waiting for their next return to "darkness" a la "No Country," "Miller's Crossing," etc.

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8. "Me too."
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> although I'm still waiting for their next return to
>"darkness" a la "No Country," "Miller's Crossing," etc.


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23. "This film is pretty freakin' dark. Don't let the ads fool you."
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28. "It's about as dark as their last one. Everything came off hokey. "
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And that tone was set from the opening scene

  

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31. "I too didn't like the opening scene. The rest worked for me, though."
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I thought it was far from hokey. The last film was way more laugh-out-loud funny than this film, even if someone was murdered in Burn After Reading -- the tone of the film, the overall message and the ending were a lot more comedic. This film has a really sad undertones.

Somebody back me up here.

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32. "It only worked for me, because I saw it for free. "
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I would've been pissed if I paid to see it. Just like I was with Burn After Reading.

>I thought it was far from hokey. The last film was way more
>laugh-out-loud funny than this film, even if someone was
>murdered in Burn After Reading -- the tone of the film, the
>overall message and the ending were a lot more comedic. This
>film has a really sad undertones.
>
>Somebody back me up here.

Back yourself up & tell me what the really sad undertones were. And no the fact that Larry was a pushover doesn't count.

  

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35. "RE: It only worked for me, because I saw it for free. "
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>I would've been pissed if I paid to see it. Just like I was
>with Burn After Reading.
>
>>I thought it was far from hokey. The last film was way more
>>laugh-out-loud funny than this film, even if someone was
>>murdered in Burn After Reading -- the tone of the film, the
>>overall message and the ending were a lot more comedic. This
>>film has a really sad undertones.
>>
>>Somebody back me up here.
>
>Back yourself up & tell me what the really sad undertones
>were. And no the fact that Larry was a pushover doesn't count.

Where do I begin with the sad undertones?

He was in a love-less marriage. He didn't have a good relationship with his children. His daughter was taking his money and his son was using it to buy pot and records. Then he runs into financial conundrums. His ethics were being questioned by a student and he was set-up in a bribery attempt. He was living next to some pretty bad vibes next door. He wants to be a serious man, but everything keeps falling apart at the seams for him. AT THE END OF THE FILM, HE GETS SOME REAL BAD NEWS ON THE PHONE WHEN HE FINALLY CAVES. HIS SONS DEATH IS IMMINENT, TOO.

I could continue, but you get the point.

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38. "RE: It only worked for me, because I saw it for free. "
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>>I would've been pissed if I paid to see it. Just like I was
>>with Burn After Reading.
>>
>>>I thought it was far from hokey. The last film was way more
>>>laugh-out-loud funny than this film, even if someone was
>>>murdered in Burn After Reading -- the tone of the film, the
>>>overall message and the ending were a lot more comedic.
>This
>>>film has a really sad undertones.
>>>
>>>Somebody back me up here.
>>
>>Back yourself up & tell me what the really sad undertones
>>were. And no the fact that Larry was a pushover doesn't
>count.
>
>Where do I begin with the sad undertones?
>
>He was in a love-less marriage. He didn't have a good
>relationship with his children. His daughter was taking his
>money and his son was using it to buy pot and records.

But what was his response to all of this? Oh well?

Then he
>runs into financial conundrums.

Because he felt he had to pay for that funeral & the free loadin relative right? Again. Chump move.

His ethics were being
>questioned by a student and he was set-up in a bribery
>attempt.

Boo Hoo. Should've turned the student in at the start.

He was living next to some pretty bad vibes next
>door.

And he was gettin some good vibrations from the whore

He wants to be a serious man, but everything keeps
>falling apart at the seams for him. AT THE END OF THE FILM, HE
>GETS SOME REAL BAD NEWS ON THE PHONE WHEN HE FINALLY CAVES.
>HIS SONS DEATH IS IMMINENT, TOO.

Ok playa

>I could continue, but you get the point.

I get that you felt sorry for him & felt this film was dark. I just disagree.

  

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9. "Any Coen brothers movie without A-list celebroactors is usually great"
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So i'm juiced.

  

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11. "I can think of one: Blood Simple, 1985"
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i agree with you though. Fargo and a couple others had actors that you'd usually seen in support roles. You have to admit though that Coen Bros have gotten the best (or the only good) roles out of people like George Cloony, Catherine Z Jones, Jeff Bridges, John Goodman.

Too many familiar faces like Brad Pitt distracted Burn After Reading

  

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13. "Seen it. Mazel Tov, Coens! It's good! And funny!"
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And sure to spark discussion, like any other Coen brothers movie...

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15. "excellent."
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16. "They must love fuckin with the audience on these endings"
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I don't think I got a lot of the jewmour but it was funny enough I guess. Felt like another Fargo but not nearly as good.

  

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17. "DAMN. They cranked out another winner here."
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I thought it was outstanding. The beginning and the ending are gonna spark a lot of discussion here. Just like a few of their others, the ending at first shocked me with its suddenness, but after spending some time thinking about it, it feels... right.

I'll talk more on it later. But everyone should go check this one out.

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18. "the ending isnt shocking"
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its a logical ending to the movie. Things often happen that you dont get an answer or explanation for. whatever....

i'm a fan so I thought it was ok. but its one of those movies i wouldnt recommend necessarily.

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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19. "Did yall see the boom mic in that one scene? (spoiler)"
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Right before the guy croaks at the table with all those papers in front of him?

  

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20. "Peeped it last night in Chitown..."
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It is overrated!

I'm all for the classic corkiness of the Coens? However, there was no fun to be had and it was not really that funny. In fact, I just felt sorry for the guy. A few chuckle scenes here and there, but this was one of their worst films IMO.

I would have preferred a whole entire film that focused on the son instead and him growing up as a Jew in that era...of course they would have to keep those cursing kids on his bus.

This night would have been disappointing...however, I got to meet William Dafoe in the same theater in Chicago (he was there for the Film Festival showing "Antichrist") and he is one the coolest and humble cats I ever met. He was just in the lobby, chilling with everyone...he was not on any hollywood shit. Oh yeah, "Antichrist" was pretty good...a lil' weird and a lil' shocking in some scenes...but, well made.

Oh yeah, I all got to meet the film critic, Michael Philips of the new "At The Movies". He was also very nice, but I wish I got to see him after I seen "Serious Man" and tell him how much he was wrong about calling it the best film he seen all year...please!

  

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21. "Boom mic is the projectionist's issue, not the director's."
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22. "Ah ok thanks. Always wondered how that could go overlooked."
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Guess it makes more sense now that the projectionist was busy puffin away & blew it.

  

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24. "not sure i understand the message/meaning behind the film"
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spoilers.....




what was the connection with the opening sequence to the rest of the film? I read this: "The inscrutable part is most evident in the opening scene, a parable entirely in Yiddish, about a wife who invites over for dinner a man who may or may not be a ghost. The parable's relation to the main story is tenuous, but nicely introduces a world in which faith can double as myth, and people don't so much take comfort in their faith as fear its wrath." Im not sure i buy this connection though.

also, what was the overall message? life sucks and keep taking it up the arse until it pushes you to the edge and when you finally give in and compromise your morals slightly, you really get fucked? I mean, yes I understand that every action has a consequence, as explained to the Korean kid.. and his action to change the grade caused the consequences at the end of the film. But the entire time we feel bad for the poor guy and dont blame him at all for taking the money under those circumstances- he deserves it... and thats what happens? I'm just unsure what the substance is that Im supposed to walk away with after watching the film.


with that said, i did enjoy it and like the person said above, I personally enjoyed it but not sure i can recommend it to everyone.

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25. "You felt bad for the main character the entire time?!?!?"
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the entire time we feel bad for the poor guy
>and dont blame him at all for taking the money under those
>circumstances- he deserves it... and thats what happens? I'm
>just unsure what the substance is that Im supposed to walk
>away with after watching the film.

Dude was a fuckin simp gettin punked left & right. I would've knocked Sy Ableman the fuck out as soon as he stepped foot in my house. Fuck a hug. And the soon to be ex wifey would've been the one sleepin on the couch. As well as lookin for a new place to stay since she strayed.


  

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26. "oh i hear you, but that still goes against the message in the film"
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the second he gave in to compromise his morals.... everything went from shit presumably near-fatal.

according to this notion that the ending set... arent we to believe that if he beat the shit out of Sy earlier in the film that the doctor would have called him that instant with the bad news?

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27. "RE: oh i hear you, but that still goes against the message in the film"
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>the second he gave in to compromise his morals.... everything
>went from shit presumably near-fatal.
>
>according to this notion that the ending set... arent we to
>believe that if he beat the shit out of Sy earlier in the film
>that the doctor would have called him that instant with the
>bad news?

It's possible, but I still think the end deals with the idea of: is this Hashem punishing me for doing something wrong/against my morals or is it simply fate/a coincidence.

I ask this because I understand why Hashem would punish Larry with that phone call and what appears to be his eventual demise, but why is his son being punished w/ the possible death in the tornado? Because he was listening to his walkman during class?

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29. "RE: oh i hear you, but that still goes against the message in the film"
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>>the second he gave in to compromise his morals....
>everything
>>went from shit presumably near-fatal.
>>
>>according to this notion that the ending set... arent we to
>>believe that if he beat the shit out of Sy earlier in the
>film
>>that the doctor would have called him that instant with the
>>bad news?
>
>It's possible, but I still think the end deals with the idea
>of: is this Hashem punishing me for doing something
>wrong/against my morals or is it simply fate/a coincidence.
>
>I ask this because I understand why Hashem would punish Larry
>with that phone call and what appears to be his eventual
>demise, but why is his son being punished w/ the possible
>death in the tornado? Because he was listening to his walkman
>during class?

Wouldn't the bigger crime be smokin the bud right before the Bahmitsfah?

  

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30. "You know how I know you're Goy?"
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WTF is a Bahmitsfah? LOL. You mean Bar Mitzvah, and he smoked before Shabbat services.

Nobody is punished after they smoke weed in any other scene of the film.

Plus...if smoking weed is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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33. "Because I said I didn't get a lot of the jewmour from the jump"
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>WTF is a Bahmitsfah? LOL. You mean Bar Mitzvah, and he smoked
>before Shabbat services.

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34. "word up, but you also didn't get the movie."
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evident in your ignorance of my questions & HV's.

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40. "^^^A Serious Stan"
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36. "The opening scene:"
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>what was the connection with the opening sequence to the rest
>of the film? I read this: "The inscrutable part is most
>evident in the opening scene, a parable entirely in Yiddish,
>about a wife who invites over for dinner a man who may or may
>not be a ghost. The parable's relation to the main story is
>tenuous, but nicely introduces a world in which faith can
>double as myth, and people don't so much take comfort in their
>faith as fear its wrath." Im not sure i buy this connection
>though.

I don't really buy that connection either. I saw a couple of possible takes on it:

1. Some people, regardless of their intentions, are doomed to be unlucky, and are destined to incur the wrath of their god. This seems to be the most obvious read.

2. Some people see poor fortune as God punishing them, and other people are content with whatever hand God has dealt them-- she believes, despite the fact that their lives are changed, that she did the right thing and rid the house of evil, and is content with her action. The junior rabbi talks about this some in his speech (which I loved).

3. Regardless of the ways in which God tests you, you will never get a definitive answer. The second rabbi talks about this some (another terrific speech).

I'm sure there are others. It also sets up the film to follow as a parable in its own right-- by beginning with a true recognizable parable, we then view what follows in its shadow to some degree.

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52. "The message, as I saw it:"
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It was all in Marshack spiel to the son during his Bar Mitzvah. "Be a good boy." Larry kept saying throughout the film re: his misfortune, "But I didn't do anything!" It's not enough to just "not do anything" wrongg, you have to actively do good.

Larry lead a pretty damn blessed life (as illustrated by the scene with his brother pool side by the Jolly Roger), but all he really seemed interested in was making his life better for himself (getting tenure, making sure his neighbor didn't build on his property, etc.) Though he wasn't actively doing bad, he wasn't "good" either.

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41. "Wow. The densest Coens movie ever?"
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There was a lot going on in this flick. I need to sit on this one for a while. I loved it though.

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42. "The scene at the beach."
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Woman in knee braces is trying to convince Larry to see the rabbi.

Larry asks, "what's the rabbi going to tell me?"

Woman in knee braces says, "if I knew, I'd be the rabbi."

  

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43. "What the movie was about, aside from taking L's?"
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46. "What do you think it's about?"
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47. "^^Rabbi #2"
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48. "LMAO"
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44. "And how many breaks were in this flick, 2-3?"
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49. "Finally saw it. That was one of the best things I've seen in a while."
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I think one angle a lot of people are overlooking is all the references to quantum mechanics, particularly Schroedinger's cat.

Let me quickly explain what all that stuff with the cat was about. No equations, just the "stories" that Larry said help illustrate the math. Intrinsically quantum mechanical objects can exist, before being measured, in a 'superposition' of seemingly independent states. For example, a radioactive atom, if left to its own devices, doesn't simply just 'decay' at some fixed moment. The way it works is that it starts out non-decayed, and it slowly reaches a superposition of the "non-decayed" state and the "decayed" state, each with different "amplitude" values associated with them. Once the state of the system is measured, it collapses to one or the other state, either decayed or non-decayed, with a probability dictated by the amplitude values that the two states had. Before the atom is observed, it is both 'decayed' and 'non-decayed.' It's tempting to see this stuff as just empty philosophy. But it turns out that this kind of behavior implies certain statistical properties for the behaviors of quantum mechanical objects, and these properties have been measured and confirmed with extremely strong accuracy. So this strange quantum behavior is a matter of scientific fact.

But a physicist named Schroedinger (one of he creators of QM) saw a paradox in this. Imagine that you put a radioactive atom next to a Geiger counter. Attach this Geiger counter to a hammer that breaks a vial of poisonous gas right next to a housecat. So if the atom decays, the cat dies. Now, enclose the entire system in an ideal box that closes it off from the rest of the world until the box is opened. To the external world, before the box is opened, the atom is in a quantum superposition of 'decayed' and 'non-decayed,' so the cat is in a quantum superposition of 'alive' and 'dead.' The cat is both alive and dead until someone opens the box to take a look at it.

In the movie we see a few examples of these 'superposed' states of affairs. The strange opening scene is an example. The dybbuk (if I remember the word right) who enters the house is both alive and dead, until the wife finally makes a measurement of the question.

**SPOILERS BELOW**



A bigger example is Sy Ableman. Even after Sy dies (in an event strangely "entangled" with Larry's life, to raise another bit of QM jargon) he's still showing up in Larry's dreams, he's still costing Larry large sums of money, he's still endangering his tenure, and he's still breaking up his marriage and forcing him to live at the Jolly Roger. Also, one thing that can't be a coincidence: the symbol that physicists conventionally use to denote a quantum state is the Greek letter Psi.

And there are other examples. There's the "culture clash" argument with the Korean student's father. Larry either has to accept a bribe or be accused of defamation for claiming that it happened. The father tells him to "accept the mystery." Rabbi #2 tells him the same thing. And Larry himself tells the Korean student the same thing (or words to that effect) with regard to quantum mechanics. It doesn't make sense that the cat is both alive and dead, Larry himself says he doesn't understand it. It's just the way it is.



EDIT: And now that I think of it, all this stuff with the doctor kinda fits into this interpretation as well. At the beginning of the movie, the doctor is making measurements with regard to Larry's mortality. Throughout most of the movie, these measurements are ongoing without Larry's knowledge. Larry is the cat, in this example.

  

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51. "That feels like a pretty undeniable interpretation."
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Very interesting. Thanks for writing that up.

  

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56. "wow"
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Nice insight here. I think this is all strongly supported.

Thanks for opening up another layer of this film for me.

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57. "*tips hat*"
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It's funny, the movie seems drenched in these references, but I haven't seen any mention of this stuff in any reviews. I'm tempted to write an email to Ebert or something.

  

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58. "I think it's easy for film people to dismiss the science"
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Films almost always use science very simplistically. It's an easy assumption that it's just a character detail or a light motif connection to his brother's gambling math and Talmudic numerology.

Almost everyone, myself included, were drawn to the Talmudic aspects of the film more than the quantum mechanics, even though upon reflection it's clearly something the Coens went out of their way to emphasize (three mentions of Schroedginger's cat: in the classroom, with the Korean student, and in the dream).

I've read quite a few reviews of the film and I haven't seen any mention of it. You should write to Ebert's Movie Answer Man. I think the odds are good he'd print it.

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53. "that was the most jewish thing I've ever seen in my life"
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55. "How many crosscutting sequences were there? 3?"
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The first is the opening crosscutting of Larry at the doctor and Danny in the classroom, the second is Larry and Sy driving, and the end in which Larry is on the phone and Danny and the tornado.

  

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59. "How comes u aint tell me wollawitz was in this?"
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60. "Wow, this is tough to sit thru, worst Coen movie I've seen"
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I enjoyed Ladybugs, Intolerable Cruelty, and The Man Who Wasn't There more than this.

Do you have to be Jewish to appreciate this movie?

Was there something from the Torah or Jewish folklore that this movie had as subtext that I clearly was unaware of?

No matter really because the bottom line is whatever sybolism, quirkiness and dark hunor they hit you with here can't make up for the fact that I couldn't care less about the protagonist or any of the family and 'friends' who compromise his inconsequential suffer-in-silence style of existence.

Not to mention there's really not much of a plot nor is it even chuckleworthy except in a few select spots.

I can't really say I enjoyed much of anything in it outside of the classic rock references.

I could have turned this off half way thru or earlier like I wanted to and in retrospect not missed shit.

This being at 87% on Rottentomatoes is further proof that critics and a segment of film buffs will co-sign any turd the Coens crank out.

I'm a huge fan of many of their movies (Blood Simple, Raising Arizona, Millers Crossing, Fargo, Lebowski, No Country) and then like others to varying degrees (with maybe Oh Brother being the closest to those others I listed) but I'll call out a misstep when I see it.

This movie pretty much sucked, I would only recommend it to people to fuck with them.

  

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61. "Um"
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>I enjoyed Ladybugs, Intolerable Cruelty, and The Man Who
>Wasn't There more than this.

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63. "I did, apologies to anyone thinking I meant Coens & Rodney collaborated"
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although now that it's mentioned that would have been cool, he could have played a great creepy local townie in a Fargo-esque flick.

But anyway yeah, Ladykillers with Tom Hanks & his minions in the basement, that was better than this movie.

  

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Jokes y'all, jokes.

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66. "My take:"
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>Do you have to be Jewish to appreciate this movie?

I'll say that I don't know why someone who isn't Jewish would want to see this film (other than it being made by the Coen Brothers), and I'm frequently surprised whenever I see/read about someone who isn't Jewish say that they REALLY enjoyed this film. It's about as Jewish a film as has ever been made.

>Was there something from the Torah or Jewish folklore that
>this movie had as subtext that I clearly was unaware of?

Well, not necessarilly, because I'm Jewish, and I remember precious little about the Torah/Old Testament and only have knowledge of basic Jewish folklore. But it certainly helps to understand the Jewish "mindset" and how we think about and argue problems, religion, life, etc.

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69. "RE: My take:"
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>>Do you have to be Jewish to appreciate this movie?
>
>I'll say that I don't know why someone who isn't Jewish would
>want to see this film (other than it being made by the Coen
>Brothers), and I'm frequently surprised whenever I see/read
>about someone who isn't Jewish say that they REALLY enjoyed
>this film. It's about as Jewish a film as has ever been made.
>
indeed, it's definitely more Jewish than any film I can think of offhand, although I feel that a truly effective film can take you into the world of any culture & find something that's either universal in nature or at the least interesting to an outside observer even if not fully understood/appreciated.

>>Was there something from the Torah or Jewish folklore that
>>this movie had as subtext that I clearly was unaware of?
>
>Well, not necessarilly, because I'm Jewish, and I remember
>precious little about the Torah/Old Testament and only have
>knowledge of basic Jewish folklore. But it certainly helps to
>understand the Jewish "mindset" and how we think about and
>argue problems, religion, life, etc.

I mean I kind of grasped the things expressed by the junior rabbi, etc.......what I had the hardest time with was the way this guy reacted to the things that happened to him, it eliminated any sympathy I had for him or investment in his outcome.

And no other character was really sympathetic or fully realized enough to make me care.

  

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70. "RE: My take:"
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>indeed, it's definitely more Jewish than any film I can think
>of offhand, although I feel that a truly effective film can
>take you into the world of any culture & find something that's
>either universal in nature or at the least interesting to an
>outside observer even if not fully understood/appreciated.

Well, it's an interesting. Take a film like "Big Fat Greek Wedding": it was a big hit, partially because it focused on the broad, more easy-to-relate parts of the culture, and all of the characters were painted in broad strokes (loud and obnoxious relatives, over-protective parents, etc.). It might as well have been called "My Big Fat Ethnic Wedding." I think this film dealt more with the nuance and the details with Jewish culture, rather than painting everything in broad strokes (Except for the characters of other ethnicities, who were purposely turned into charicatures). The "Big Fat Greek Wedding" type of movie has already been made for the Jewish culture; I think the Coens were going for something a more esoteric.

>I mean I kind of grasped the things expressed by the junior
>rabbi, etc.......what I had the hardest time with was the way
>this guy reacted to the things that happened to him, it
>eliminated any sympathy I had for him or investment in his
>outcome.

I mean, yeah, the guy was a whiner. He thought because he didn't do anything necessarily bad in his life, that nothing bad should happen to him. But at the end of the day, he lived a pretty charmed life. They pretty much made him into a Job-like figure. Still I think they did an effective job of showing how circumtances can converge to make someone who's a serios man make the decision that he did at the end of the film.

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71. "RE: My take:"
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>
>>indeed, it's definitely more Jewish than any film I can
>think
>>of offhand, although I feel that a truly effective film can
>>take you into the world of any culture & find something
>that's
>>either universal in nature or at the least interesting to an
>>outside observer even if not fully understood/appreciated.
>
>Well, it's an interesting. Take a film like "Big Fat Greek
>Wedding": it was a big hit, partially because it focused on
>the broad, more easy-to-relate parts of the culture, and all
>of the characters were painted in broad strokes (loud and
>obnoxious relatives, over-protective parents, etc.). It might
>as well have been called "My Big Fat Ethnic Wedding." I think
>this film dealt more with the nuance and the details with
>Jewish culture, rather than painting everything in broad
>strokes (Except for the characters of other ethnicities, who
>were purposely turned into charicatures). The "Big Fat Greek
>Wedding" type of movie has already been made for the Jewish
>culture; I think the Coens were going for something a more
>esoteric.
>
I hear what you're saying, I think it may have gone too far in the other direction for me, I need to care about someone in the flick one way or another to some degree.

>>I mean I kind of grasped the things expressed by the junior
>>rabbi, etc.......what I had the hardest time with was the
>way
>>this guy reacted to the things that happened to him, it
>>eliminated any sympathy I had for him or investment in his
>>outcome.
>
>I mean, yeah, the guy was a whiner. He thought because he
>didn't do anything necessarily bad in his life, that nothing
>bad should happen to him. But at the end of the day, he lived
>a pretty charmed life. They pretty much made him into a
>Job-like figure. Still I think they did an effective job of
>showing how circumtances can converge to make someone who's a
>serios man make the decision that he did at the end of the
>film.

It wasn't so much the whining as the allowing himself to be completely emasculated in every way that I found hard to not swallow. I guess in a way they're connected.

  

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73. "well, it's a parable."
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Larry's an exaggerated version of what a lot of people do. He thinks that if he just stays in his lane and doesn't raise a fuss, the world will come to him. And in a way, that almost happens-- he stays in his lane, and he still gets tenure, avoids the suit, keeps his family ostensibly together. But, by not actively taking part in his fate, and thus killing the metaphorical dybbuk, he also invites greater calamity on himself- he's going to die, and so is his kid. The whole movie, I had the reaction of wanting to slap Larry around and tell him to get active in his life. However, I know that anyone looking in on anyone's life might do the same, and we do not have the obvious blinking signs in front of us that Larry does.

Actually, the Coens do something that Kevin Smith did in Clerks- Larry's "I didn't do anything!" is analogous to Dante's "I'm not even supposed to be here today!"- a reaction in passive disgruntlement and acceptance of one's fate, rather than an attitude of making the best of what's in front of you.

In fact, you don't have to be Jewish at all to get it-- you just have to be American. "I didn't do anything!" is a statement of entitlement and exceptionalism that fits right on in with the period of the film and the arc of American history.

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75. "Gorgeously put in that last sentence. Spot on."
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>In fact, you don't have to be Jewish at all to get it-- you
>just have to be American. "I didn't do anything!" is a
>statement of entitlement and exceptionalism that fits right on
>in with the period of the film and the arc of American
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77. "I understand/appreciate the parable angle along w/the virtues expressed"
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unfortunately that did not make the movie worth-watching or help me feel invested in anything that took place in the dragging 100 minutes or so of running time.

In fact, I enjoyed reading the breakdowns written by yourself & others in this post from a critical-thinking perspective much more than I enjoyed actually sitting through the film, which didn't really go over my head as much as it managed to generate a level of frustration & boredom that I don't look for while watching film.

  

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78. "That's fair."
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I disagree about the film, as I felt that the supporting cast provided enough "entertainment" to move the picture along, but I definitely agree that Larry is a frustrating character, which is partly credit to the Coens for writing him so well, and partly credit to Michael Stuhlbarg for playing him absolutely beautifully (as beautifully as a completely "unable-man" could be played)

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82. "I had no problem with the acting performance, he played a nebbishy guy"
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to the hilt like the script called for, I just had a hard time caring by about a half hour in.

  

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79. "it's a movie that wasn't really made with you in mind"
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although I thought there was still enough general humor to keep ppl amused (Sy Abelman, "look dad, a Jew! Get him!", "Please. Accept the mystery." etc.)

but if you can't get past the first point though, yeah you probably won't like it.

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81. "Moonstruck wasn't made w/me in mind either, I found it entertaining tho"
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I can get past not being the target audience pretty easily when it comes to music or movies generally but there wasn't enough here to do so in my opinion.

  

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83. "yeah it was actually"
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that's not even in the same ballpark wrt this. but if you weren't feeling this that's not really on you, it's just not one of those universally accessible movies that everyone is supposed to be able to relate to equally.

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84. "it was? "
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I don't see how/why but ok, I was just throwing a name out there.

How about Avalon? Rockers? The Mambo Kings?

I enjoyed all those much more than this flick.

  

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85. "cmon."
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you're just throwing out names of random 'ethnic' flicks. point isn't simply that the movie's about people of a different ethnicity.

you enjoyed those other movies more because they're stories with fairly universal themes told in a pretty univerally relatable manner. A Serious Man isn't in that vein so you didn't enjoy it.



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86. "wasnt so much the lack of 'relatability' (though I had trouble relating"
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with or empathizing with the main character's Job-influenced journey from the second Sy Ableman stops by) but really it just came down to it was dark comedy with very few if any actual laughs and characters I didn't care about.

Beyond the subtext there still needs to be an entertaining film in there. I thought it missed the mark there, better in concept than execution. As a result I'd put it towards the bottom of their work, though I haven't seen Barton Fink or watched The Hudsucker Proxy or Burn After Reading from start to finish in one sitting.

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I don't know why anyone who isn't British would want to see that film.

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72. "Not a nerve, and not just you"
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There are similar sentiments made by other people in this thread. Just seems ridiculous is all, as if you for some reason need to be like the subjects of a film to find value in it. Fairly strange idea to me, to be honest. I liked Aliens and Avatar and I'm neither a space marine nor an alien. *shrugs*

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76. "lol @ this whole line of thinking"
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Like you can't make something for your brethren so that other people do not get it. Outsiders may get something from it, but often times they don't get IT. And the IT is something that can not be explained, it must have been experienced.

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80. "First of all, no, you can't. "
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>Like you can't make something for your brethren so that other
>people do not get it.

People are more interesting and diverse than that.

>Outsiders may get something from it,
>but often times they don't get IT. And the IT is something
>that can not be explained, it must have been experienced.

I'd agree, but the key word there is often. I agree that you can make cultural references that people outside the culture often won't get, but that doesn't mean you have to be of that culture to find value in the art.

All this completely downgrades the movie from a dense, thoughtful and provocative thought-piece on morality and duality to some quirky Jews-only love-in. If this is what you think the movie is, then you dramatically misunderstood the point.

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89. "Joel: "The goy didn't get the movie.""
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Ethan: "The goy? Who cares?"

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91. "a rabbi & a goy walk into a movie theater together..."
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the rabbi enjoys the movie and walks out smiling.

the goy doesn't enjoy the movie because it isn't concerned with whether he can relate to it or not, so he walks out mad.

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93. "^^^'You Mad' Lovingly Explored In Jewish Parable Form"
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96. "jew mad, son?"
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94. "someone has to have a picture"
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of danny's reefer buddy when the camera cuts to him during the bar mitzvah. i was giggling to myself for days.

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97. "ha yeah that shit had my dying"
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the way his eyes bugged out for a second was killing me.

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100. "The Tyler Perry movie of Jewish cinema"
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Sure, you'll like parts of it, but by the end you'll realize it just wasn't made for you.

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103. "Loved it,"
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Best movie of the year for me.

Lots of interesting stuff in this post.

One thing....I wanna defend the protaganist. Some have suggested that he's an inept coward....too weak to stand up for himself. But this is only half the story. He is also brave for acting in accordance to what he perceives as his responsibilities.

Why doesn't he knock out the man sleeping with his wife? Well, such an action may serve to satisfy one's jealousy/anger....but doesn't serve the best interests of one's family.

Why doesn't he turn in his bribing student? Well, such an action may serve his hopes of getting tenure....but doesn't stay true to his role as teacher to student.

But watching the movie, you get the sense that he's hiding behind the 'altruism' and 'righteousness' of his actions to avoid laying claim to his identity. He is a moral man...but he also uses those morals to hide. He's inactive, overly-passive.

He doesn't HAVE to act out cause such an act would be selfish....against God's will. Underneath that theme, he also doubts God's will and dreads having to actually 'act' or stand up for himself.

  

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