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"2012 Academy Award Nominations"
Tue Jan-24-12 09:58 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

My extended commentary on the biggest snubs and surprises here (which I get paid if you click): http://www.examiner.com/movie-in-jacksonville/the-2012-academy-award-nominations-the-biggest-snubs-and-biggest-surprises

Best Picture
“The Artist” Thomas Langmann, Producer
“The Descendants” Jim Burke, Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor, Producers
“Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close” Scott Rudin, Producer
“The Help” Brunson Green, Chris Columbus and Michael Barnathan, Producers
“Hugo” Graham King and Martin Scorsese, Producers
“Midnight in Paris” Letty Aronson and Stephen Tenenbaum, Producers
“Moneyball” Michael De Luca, Rachael Horovitz and Brad Pitt, Producers
“The Tree of Life” Nominees to be determined
“War Horse“ Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy, Producers

Directing
“The Artist” Michel Hazanavicius
“The Descendants” Alexander Payne
“Hugo” Martin Scorsese
“Midnight in Paris” Woody Allen
“The Tree of Life” Terrence Malick

Actor in a Leading Role
Demián Bichir in “A Better Life”
George Clooney in “The Descendants”
Jean Dujardin in “The Artist”
Gary Oldman in “Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy”
Brad Pitt in “Moneyball”

Actress in a Leading Role
Glenn Close in “Albert Nobbs”
Viola Davis in “The Help”
Rooney Mara in “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo”
Meryl Streep in “The Iron Lady”
Michelle Williams in “My Week with Marilyn”

Actor in a Supporting Role
Kenneth Branagh in “My Week with Marilyn”
Jonah Hill in “Moneyball”
Nick Nolte in “Warrior”
Christopher Plummer in “Beginners”
Max von Sydow in “Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close”

Actress in a Supporting Role
Bérénice Bejo in “The Artist”
Jessica Chastain in “The Help”
Melissa McCarthy in “Bridesmaids”
Janet McTeer in “Albert Nobbs”
Octavia Spencer in “The Help”

Animated Feature Film
“A Cat in Paris” Alain Gagnol and Jean-Loup Felicioli
“Chico & Rita” Fernando Trueba and Javier Mariscal
“Kung Fu Panda 2″ Jennifer Yuh Nelson
“Puss in Boots” Chris Miller
“Rango” Gore Verbinski

Art Direction
“The Artist”
Production Design: Laurence Bennett; Set Decoration: Robert Gould
“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2“
Production Design: Stuart Craig; Set Decoration: Stephenie McMillan
“Hugo”
Production Design: Dante Ferretti; Set Decoration: Francesca Lo Schiavo
“Midnight in Paris”
Production Design: Anne Seibel; Set Decoration: Hélène Dubreuil
“War Horse”
Production Design: Rick Carter; Set Decoration: Lee Sandales

Cinematography
“The Artist” Guillaume Schiffman
“The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” Jeff Cronenweth
“Hugo” Robert Richardson
“The Tree of Life” Emmanuel Lubezki
“War Horse” Janusz Kaminski

Costume Design
“Anonymous” Lisy Christl
“The Artist” Mark Bridges
“Hugo” Sandy Powell
“Jane Eyre” Michael O’Connor
“W.E.” Arianne Phillips

Documentary (Feature)
“Hell and Back Again”
Danfung Dennis and Mike Lerner
“If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front”
Marshall Curry and Sam Cullman
“Paradise Lost 3: Purgatory”
Charles Ferguson and Audrey Marrs
“Pina”
Wim Wenders and Gian-Piero Ringel
“Undefeated”
TJ Martin, Dan Lindsay and Richard Middlemas

Documentary (Short Subject)
“The Barber of Birmingham: Foot Soldier of the Civil Rights Movement”
Robin Fryday and Gail Dolgin
“God Is the Bigger Elvis”
Rebecca Cammisa and Julie Anderson
“Incident in New Baghdad”
James Spione
“Saving Face”
Daniel Junge and Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy
“The Tsunami and the Cherry Blossom”
Lucy Walker and Kira Carstensen

Film Editing
“The Artist” Anne-Sophie Bion and Michel Hazanavicius
“The Descendants” Kevin Tent
“The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall
“Hugo” Thelma Schoonmaker
“Moneyball” Christopher Tellefsen

Foreign Language Film
“Bullhead” Belgium
“Footnote” Israel
“In Darkness” Poland
“Monsieur Lazhar” Canada
“A Separation” Iran

Makeup
“Albert Nobbs”
Martial Corneville, Lynn Johnston and Matthew W. Mungle
“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2″
Edouard F. Henriques, Gregory Funk and Yolanda Toussieng
“The Iron Lady”
Mark Coulier and J. Roy Helland

Music (Original Score)
“The Adventures of Tintin” John Williams
“The Artist” Ludovic Bource
“Hugo” Howard Shore
“Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy” Alberto Iglesias
“War Horse” John Williams

Music (Original Song)
“Man or Muppet” from “The Muppets” Music and Lyric by Bret McKenzie
“Real in Rio” from “Rio” Music by Sergio Mendes and Carlinhos Brown Lyric by Siedah Garrett


Short Film (Animated)
“Dimanche/Sunday” Patrick Doyon
“The Fantastic Flying Books of Mr. Morris Lessmore” William Joyce and Brandon Oldenburg
“La Luna” Enrico Casarosa
“A Morning Stroll” Grant Orchard and Sue Goffe
“Wild Life” Amanda Forbis and Wendy Tilby

Short Film (Live Action)
“Pentecost” Peter McDonald and Eimear O’Kane
“Raju” Max Zähle and Stefan Gieren
“The Shore” Terry George and Oorlagh George
“Time Freak” Andrew Bowler and Gigi Causey
“Tuba Atlantic” Hallvar Witzø

Sound Editing
“Drive” Lon Bender and Victor Ray Ennis
“The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” Ren Klyce
“Hugo” Philip Stockton and Eugene Gearty
“Transformers: Dark of the Moon” Ethan Van der Ryn and Erik Aadahl
“War Horse” Richard Hymns and Gary Rydstrom

Sound Mixing
“The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo”
David Parker, Michael Semanick, Ren Klyce and Bo Persson
“Hugo”
Tom Fleischman and John Midgley
“Moneyball”
Deb Adair, Ron Bochar, Dave Giammarco and Ed Novick
“Transformers: Dark of the Moon”
Greg P. Russell, Gary Summers, Jeffrey J. Haboush and Peter J. Devlin
“War Horse”
Gary Rydstrom, Andy Nelson, Tom Johnson and Stuart Wilson

Visual Effects
“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2″
Tim Burke, David Vickery, Greg Butler and John Richardson
“Hugo”
Rob Legato, Joss Williams, Ben Grossman and Alex Henning
“Real Steel”
Erik Nash, John Rosengrant, Dan Taylor and Swen Gillberg
“Rise of the Planet of the Apes”
Joe Letteri, Dan Lemmon, R. Christopher White and Daniel Barrett
“Transformers: Dark of the Moon”
Scott Farrar, Scott Benza, Matthew Butler and John Frazier

Writing (Adapted Screenplay)
“The Descendants” Screenplay by Alexander Payne and Nat Faxon & Jim Rash
“Hugo” Screenplay by John Logan
“The Ides of March” Screenplay by George Clooney & Grant Heslov and Beau Willimon
“Moneyball” Screenplay by Steven Zaillian and Aaron Sorkin Story by Stan Chervin
“Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy” Screenplay by Bridget O’Connor & Peter Straughan

Writing (Original Screenplay)
“The Artist” Written by Michel Hazanavicius
“Bridesmaids” Written by Annie Mumolo & Kristen Wiig
“Margin Call” Written by J.C. Chandor
“Midnight in Paris” Written by Woody Allen
“A Separation” Written by Asghar Farhadi

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Let the hate commence: GOSLING SNUB POST n/m
Jan 24th 2012
1
I can see not getting the Best Actor, but no Best Picture?
Jan 24th 2012
14
      Different voting rules this year.
Jan 24th 2012
21
      drive can blow me.
Jan 29th 2012
118
who did TINTIN not blow? n/m
Jan 24th 2012
2
Spielberg put the wrong name on his bribe envelope: "War Horse"
Jan 24th 2012
3
Actually, is it possible that it's some retribution for opening foreign ...
Jan 24th 2012
8
As a motion capture film, it doesn't qualify for the Oscar
Jan 24th 2012
9
who did MONEYBALL teabag? n/m
Jan 24th 2012
58
Lowest rated Oscars of all time. I promise.
Jan 24th 2012
4
But they bought back Billy Crystal! n/m
Jan 24th 2012
7
      But Eddie Murphy could've made a Midnight Niggas in Paris joke!
Jan 24th 2012
56
Hi, I'm the academy. I hate Trent Reznor for some reason
Jan 24th 2012
5
Except for last year, when he won.
Jan 24th 2012
12
      no no, i know that. but his score this year
Jan 24th 2012
13
           It's way less melodic and memorable.
Jan 24th 2012
16
                I guess...but the lack of nomination is a little suspect to me
Jan 24th 2012
19
                     Can you hum something from the soundtrack?
Jan 24th 2012
20
Glad it was Man or Muppet, only 2 original songs?
Jan 24th 2012
6
CAPTAIN AMERICA.
Jan 24th 2012
10
I hope Max Von Sydow wins Supporting Actor
Jan 24th 2012
11
I'm rooting for either him or Plummer.
Jan 24th 2012
57
cosign
Jan 25th 2012
78
"Well, I'm already drunk..." - Demian Bichir, 1/23/12, 7:06 am PST
Jan 24th 2012
15
I have a few disappointments.
Jan 24th 2012
18
Gosling & Fassbender owned 2011
Jan 24th 2012
22
Yeah, I expected more for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
Jan 24th 2012
52
Jonah Hill over anyone is laughable but Cap's effects were ass
Jan 24th 2012
59
      Chris-Evans-as-little-man is the 2nd best effect of 2011
Jan 24th 2012
66
           Forgot about that one. The rest weren't that impressive.
Jan 24th 2012
73
Fassbender omission seems kinda strange
Jan 24th 2012
26
      Word is that "Shame" did not play well at Academy screenings
Jan 24th 2012
40
           The Academy could well have been freaked out by male nudity
Jan 24th 2012
44
                Maybe they were also freaked out...
Jan 24th 2012
48
                lol, yeah, that ending was special
Jan 25th 2012
79
                     Someone wrote McQueen should've saved his dick for Act 3.
Jan 25th 2012
87
                doubt it
Jan 24th 2012
76
My thoughts:
Jan 24th 2012
17
What a dull year for film
Jan 24th 2012
23
Am I the only one who didn't love THE ARTIST?
Jan 24th 2012
24
No your not.
Jan 24th 2012
41
Anyone slightly surprised Cars 2 didn't get an animated film nom?
Jan 24th 2012
25
PUSS IN BOOTS was great.
Jan 24th 2012
61
And for a second there I thought the "Undefeated" documentary...
Jan 24th 2012
27
it's fantastic
Jan 25th 2012
80
Tilda Swinton SO needed to be nominated
Jan 24th 2012
28
The Academy hates "bitches."
Jan 24th 2012
29
      Swinton played kind of a "bitch" in the film she did win for though
Jan 24th 2012
31
           RE: Swinton played kind of a "bitch" in the film she did win f...
Jan 24th 2012
36
what is with this obsession with Moneyball
Jan 24th 2012
30
one has Pitt, the other Clooney
Jan 24th 2012
33
guess so.
Jan 24th 2012
34
Yep.
Jan 24th 2012
45
Ides of March is a great example of the problem with screenplay awards
Jan 24th 2012
35
what holes?
Jan 25th 2012
82
      I think I talked about it in the Ides of March thread
Jan 25th 2012
85
           haven't seen the play, so i can't really comment on any of this
Jan 25th 2012
88
                You don't judge the film on its own merits for Adapted Screenplay
Jan 25th 2012
91
                     no, you actually have to
Jan 25th 2012
99
                          And that's why it's such a nonsense category.
Jan 25th 2012
109
                               yeah, you can twist yourself in knots factoring in degree of difficulty
Jan 26th 2012
110
The Angels signed Pujols and CJ Wilson
Jan 24th 2012
39
I feel like I must've watched an early unfinished cut
Jan 24th 2012
64
I thought it was *fine.*
Jan 24th 2012
67
y'all are nuts, moneyball was fire
Jan 25th 2012
81
      Yeesh, I wouldn't go that far.
Jan 25th 2012
106
           i would
Jan 26th 2012
111
Just realized I went to high school with one of the guys nominated...
Jan 24th 2012
32
Albert Brooks Responds to Oscar Snub: "I Was Robbed"
Jan 24th 2012
37
The thing I'm most surprised about is Extremely Loud for Best Pic.
Jan 24th 2012
38
RE: The thing I'm most surprised about is Extremely Loud for Best Pic.
Jan 24th 2012
49
Viola Davis is only in 2 scenes in EL&IC.
Jan 24th 2012
62
      RE: Viola Davis is only in 2 scenes in EL&IC.
Jan 24th 2012
65
don't believe the hate, ELIC was *GREAT*
Jan 25th 2012
84
Yea the Academy is fucking up...
Jan 24th 2012
42
You answered your own question
Jan 24th 2012
47
strange, I haven't seen many of these, yet I know it's doo doo.
Jan 24th 2012
43
Many are worth seeking out.
Jan 24th 2012
46
      why are you responding like we haven't talked about this offline?
Jan 24th 2012
51
           I've been so goddamn busy.
Jan 24th 2012
68
Broad strokes
Jan 24th 2012
50
The soundtrack kind of overshadowed the score
Jan 24th 2012
53
Drive had a few previously recorded songs on the soundtrack
Jan 24th 2012
54
Midnight in Paris was enjoyable though
Jan 24th 2012
70
      Bridesmaids only got two nominations
Jan 24th 2012
71
      It's very enjoyable. I'm a fan.
Jan 24th 2012
72
I still think Elizabeth Olsen was the best actress of 2011
Jan 24th 2012
55
Likewise
Jan 24th 2012
63
Her studio didn't send screeners out to the Academy.
Jan 24th 2012
69
How does a category (Original Song) only have 2 nominees?
Jan 24th 2012
60
I think everyone prefers both of those songs
Jan 24th 2012
74
I just realized this afternoon... no MARCY'S SONG!?!
Jan 24th 2012
75
it's actually not an original song though...
Jan 25th 2012
89
rules governing the category...
Jan 28th 2012
117
this george clooney thing is officially out of control
Jan 25th 2012
77
great post, well done sir
Jan 25th 2012
83
Not sure how you can say that this was a strong year for actors
Jan 25th 2012
86
when have people ever been up in arms about anything?
Jan 25th 2012
90
      What were the strong leads?
Jan 25th 2012
92
           RE: What were the strong leads?
Jan 25th 2012
93
           there are tons of performances no one's even talking about
Jan 25th 2012
100
           I don't even think it's been a weak year.
Jan 25th 2012
104
           Peter Mullan in Tyrannosaur
Jan 25th 2012
102
                Clooney is playing against type in The Descendants.
Jan 25th 2012
105
                     ha, does that matter?
Jan 25th 2012
107
                          Sure. It helps them justify it to themselves.
Jan 25th 2012
108
jonah hill was incredible...the rest is fine
Jan 25th 2012
94
I think Fassbender was inferior to Clooney and Pitt.
Jan 25th 2012
95
      i'm beginning to think you didn't like shame
Jan 25th 2012
101
           Well, the script robbed him of opportunity.
Jan 25th 2012
103
                if only someone would do a fassbender sad face meme
Jan 26th 2012
112
                     Take Shelter hits DVD 2/14.
Jan 26th 2012
113
                          RE: Take Shelter hits DVD 2/14.
Jan 26th 2012
114
Here's a weigh in on the song debate (*swipe*)
Jan 25th 2012
96
waitwaitwait...
Jan 25th 2012
97
      Yep.
Jan 25th 2012
98
What about Viggo?
Jan 26th 2012
115
ACADEMY MEMBERSHIP BY THE NUMBERS:
Jan 26th 2012
116
      RE: ACADEMY MEMBERSHIP BY THE NUMBERS:
Jan 29th 2012
119
RE: 2012 Academy Award Nominations
Jan 31st 2012
120
lol
Jan 31st 2012
121
This is literally the nomination list I thought it was going to be
Feb 01st 2012
122

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1. "Let the hate commence: GOSLING SNUB POST n/m"
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14. "I can see not getting the Best Actor, but no Best Picture?"
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considering that pretty much the whole reason they expanded Best Picture in the first place was because of the Dark Knight? You mean to tell me Drive is worse than Dark Knight?

  

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Frank Longo
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21. "Different voting rules this year."
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Long story short, unless 5% of the voting body gave your film a first place vote, you weren't getting a Best Pic nom.

It's actually really surprising that so many films got a nomination for Best Picture.

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118. "drive can blow me."
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2. "who did TINTIN not blow? n/m"
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3. "Spielberg put the wrong name on his bribe envelope: "War Horse""
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8. "Actually, is it possible that it's some retribution for opening foreign ..."
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I mean, to not even be an animated nomination is impossible to rationalize.

  

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9. "As a motion capture film, it doesn't qualify for the Oscar"
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for Best Animated Film.

There is not enough actually animation. The Academy changed its rules post-"Happy Feet".

  

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58. "who did MONEYBALL teabag? n/m"
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4. "Lowest rated Oscars of all time. I promise."
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You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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7. "But they bought back Billy Crystal! n/m"
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56. "But Eddie Murphy could've made a Midnight Niggas in Paris joke!"
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5. "Hi, I'm the academy. I hate Trent Reznor for some reason"
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12. "Except for last year, when he won."
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13. "no no, i know that. but his score this year "
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was equally impressive (at least to me)

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16. "It's way less melodic and memorable."
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General rule is if you can't hum it, it's not getting nominated. His work this year was much more subtle, yes, but subtlety is rarely rewarded at the Oscars (see: Extremely Loud And Incredibly Close).

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19. "I guess...but the lack of nomination is a little suspect to me"
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20. "Can you hum something from the soundtrack?"
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It's three hours of mood music. The Academy likes melody. I've been humming War Horse since I saw it.

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6. "Glad it was Man or Muppet, only 2 original songs?"
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Could have basically just done 4 from the Muppets and KIM

  

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10. "CAPTAIN AMERICA."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRKwKJI_uI&feature=related

THE OSCARS HATE AMERICA.

  

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11. "I hope Max Von Sydow wins Supporting Actor"
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He didn't even have a single line of dialogue in the film, it was all mannerisms, facial expressions, and body language. The scene where Oskar is playing his Dad's last voice messages for him is probably the best example I can think of.

  

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57. "I'm rooting for either him or Plummer. "
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>He didn't even have a single line of dialogue in the film, it
>was all mannerisms, facial expressions, and body language. The
>scene where Oskar is playing his Dad's last voice messages for
>him is probably the best example I can think of.

Max was magnificent throughout the entire flick. I didn't really like the movie as a whole but I'm glad I saw it for his performance.

  

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78. "cosign"
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15. ""Well, I'm already drunk..." - Demian Bichir, 1/23/12, 7:06 am PST"
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^^^ His reaction to being nominated, and good for him

My only disappointment, that I can think of right now, is with Fassbender not getting Best Actor for Shame

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18. "I have a few disappointments."
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Only my realistic disappointments, not my crazy ones (OMG RYAN GOSLING SHOULDA BEEN IN OVER BRAD PITT etc):

Extremely Loud, and even Moneyball and War Horse over Tinker Tailor for Best Picture (I would say Drive, but I knew that wasn't getting a nom).

Anyone over Tilda Swinton for We Need To Talk About Kevin.

Jonah Hill over Albert Brooks. Or Viggo Mortensen. Or Patton Oswalt. Or even Andy Serkis.

The lack of Shailene Woodley, whom The Descendants isn't the same without.

No art direction OR cinematography for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

No editing for Drive or Tinker Tailor.

No Hugo for Best Makeup.

The wrong Muppets song getting nominated-- I think Man or Muppet is fun but too goofy and one-note to realistically win... I hope I'm wrong.

No Captain America for Best Visual FX.

No 50/50 for Best Original Screenplay.

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22. "Gosling & Fassbender owned 2011"
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to not recognize either is an academy crime, regardless of your snark. Nothing new for them to miss the mark.

Still can't believe this is Oldman's first nom.

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52. "Yeah, I expected more for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy"
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59. "Jonah Hill over anyone is laughable but Cap's effects were ass"
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66. "Chris-Evans-as-little-man is the 2nd best effect of 2011"
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after Caesar.

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73. "Forgot about that one. The rest weren't that impressive."
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Tho some would argue the same regarding Ceasar & the rest of the flick.

  

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26. "Fassbender omission seems kinda strange"
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Haven't seen a better life so I can't comment on the merits of Bechir's performance over Fassbender's, but his performance in "Shame" seems like the type of thing that the Academy rewards. Though I guess if someone was going to get bumped (besides Bechir), it would have been Oldman, and that would kinda suck too.

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40. "Word is that "Shame" did not play well at Academy screenings"
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And people absolutely love A Separation.

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44. "The Academy could well have been freaked out by male nudity"
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Graphic, stark displays probably make a lot of older Academy members squeamish.

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48. "Maybe they were also freaked out..."
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... by how much of the film required him to stare with a sad face during needlessly melodramatic twists.

Sorry. Needed to rant about how awful the end of Shame was for me.

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79. "lol, yeah, that ending was special"
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but i doubt that factored into the snub at all. i'm guessing he didn't slob enough wrinkled knobs or some other backroom b.s.

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87. "Someone wrote McQueen should've saved his dick for Act 3."
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That maybe people just stopped watching after they got a peek.

I personally find the Michael Shannon snub far more objectionable, but it is what it is.

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76. "doubt it"
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These are the old guys that sit naked with their legs spread out at the gym.

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17. "My thoughts:"
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Yay for Gary Oldman (1st nod EVER for TTTTS) & Damián Bichir (A Better Life).

Nick Notle (Warrior)?! Really? He was aight. Not worthy of a nomination though.

Jessica Chastian (The Help) stole Shailene Woodley's The Descendants nomination. Damn shame that microwaved version of Daryl Hannah's role in Steel Magnolias got a nomination.

Tree of Life for a nomination for Best Picture? REALLY Academy?! WTF.

I'm calling these locks for wins right now:

1) Streep (that Golden Globe win made it her competitive again and I thought Viola was a lock. She no longer is. It is really a three-way race between Streep, Michelle Williams, and Viola but I think Streep will walk away with it)

2) Clooney

3) Octavia for Best Supporting Actress

4) Plummer for Best Supporting Actor

5) The Artist for Best Picture

6) A Separation for Best Foreign Pic

PS Where's Albert Brooks' Best Supporting nomination for "Drive"?!!!!! He got robbed.

  

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23. "What a dull year for film"
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The only pic I have a routing interest in is Tree of Life and it has NO chance of taking home an Oscar.

I'll route for Hugo where applicable, otherwise everything I've seen has been fine, but unexceptional.

The best part of this whole list is the Cars 2 snub, bravo oscar.

  

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24. "Am I the only one who didn't love THE ARTIST?"
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I thought it was a good film. And Jean Dujardin definitely deserves the Best Actor nod. But the film itself I feel like got lost in it's own high concept. Also, that chick that's up for supporting was a lead. I'll never understand how the industry gets away with letting leads compete as supporting.

I will say it was robbed in one aspect: Uggie deserved a supporting actor nod.

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41. "No your not. "
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I liked it but goddamn is it overrated. Same about The Descendants.

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25. "Anyone slightly surprised Cars 2 didn't get an animated film nom?"
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I didn't see and don't plan to (don't like the Cars "franchise"), but really, "Puss N boots" gets a nod over a Pixar film? Is there something happened that eliminated it from comp that missed?

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61. "PUSS IN BOOTS was great."
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One of my favorite films this year.

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27. "And for a second there I thought the "Undefeated" documentary..."
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...that got nominated was the Sarah Palin propaganda piece. THAT would have been a shocker.

I've heard the one about the football team that actually did get nominated is quite good. Need to watch that.

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80. "it's fantastic"
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and it's backed by the weinsteins, so it might actually walk away with the hardware.

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28. "Tilda Swinton SO needed to be nominated"
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for her work in "We Need To Talk About Kevin".

hands down, she gave the boldest and most daring performance of the year.

A friend sent me the screener for this a few months ago, and I really have no words for the sheer power and ferocity Swinton gave on the screen as Eva Khatchadourian.

I may need to find the book for We Need To Talk About Kevin and read it.

I'm hoping to see it again when it comes out here in the theater (it never did though it was supposed to. I'm kinda hoping it does)

Then agai, Frank, i guess it speaks to something you discussed in an oscar related type post a little while ago about how the academy *LOVES* edgy and daring female characters, but RARELY nominates them for oscars or feels comfortable doing so (because, you know, unlikeable women in any context in film are problematic for audiences in some sense).

nothing against Glenn Close at all, because the sheer fact that it took her nearly 20 years to get this to the screen is ballsy enough...

but as the main character, Albert is extremely passive and Janet McTeer STEAMROLLED THE HELL out of that movie as Hubert Page.

But, I would have subbed Tilda for Glenn (or just added a sixth slot because Tilda should have been IN).

but as a whole, i'm not mad at all. DEMIAN BICHIR!!! HOLLA!!!

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29. "The Academy hates "bitches.""
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When men act like assholes in film, they're "complicated characters" and nominated for awards.

When women act like assholes in film, they're "unlikable" and not nominated.

Tilda Swinton and Charlize Theron underscore that point this year.

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31. "Swinton played kind of a "bitch" in the film she did win for though"
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And then there's Benning's (undeserved) nomination for the "Kids Are All Right." And shit, Mo'Nique won an Oscar for "Precious," though she was straight up evil, rather than just a "bitch."

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36. "RE: Swinton played kind of a "bitch" in the film she did win f..."
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>And then there's Benning's (undeserved) nomination for the
>"Kids Are All Right." And shit, Mo'Nique won an Oscar for
>"Precious," though she was straight up evil, rather than just
>a "bitch."

actually, Karen Crowder (Michael Clayton) wasn't a bitch per say, she was just a woman who was determined to do anything she could to ensure that her firm WON the case....but caved at the end.

a real "bitch" wouldn't have caved to George Clooney, who in all respects, was a weak ass schlub. And karen caved in halfway through the movie when she realized a) what she asked the goons to do b) the fact that they tried to do it and were nearly successful at taking Michael out and c) she got caught and fell apart quicker than a stewed curry lamb shank off the bone at a B-list, "upscale" Indian restaurant.

but, her character was "unlikeable" but not a full fledged "bitch" in theory.

but yea, i'm with Frank on this on...Charlize and tilda both turned in some fine performances and they were snubbed.

Mo'Nique was evil as fuck...but, in theory, a stereotype and we all know the academy is completely fine with black folk playin maids, welfare queens, thieves (let's keep it real, Oda Mae in GHOST was a thief who discovered she really HAD the gift...real talk), etc.

i'm just saying...i'm still waiting for a black actress to even DO or even come CLOSE to what Theron and Swinton did this year in their roles...

hell, i just want to see a black person on the screen who has flaws and who is a hot fucking mess...cause that's real and we still have yet to see that kind of "realness" for a black character...i think.

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30. "what is with this obsession with Moneyball"
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six nominations? and while I enjoyed Ides of March, there are so many holes and problems in that screenplay I can't see how it's nominated on its own merits.

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Drive
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33. "one has Pitt, the other Clooney"
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They are "serious" movies with traditionally told narratives. Thus they are high on the Academy radar.

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34. "guess so."
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seems overboard even for them though. Clooney has The Descendants to rely on. and Jonah Hill is wasting a nomination.

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35. "Ides of March is a great example of the problem with screenplay awards"
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To give it Best Adapted Screenplay is kind of a joke because the meat of the film was from the play and all of the crazy shit and holes (basically, the entire soap opera third act) were Heslov and Clooney's doing.

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82. "what holes?"
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85. "I think I talked about it in the Ides of March thread"
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The play was about hubris and the movie followed that until the third act when the theme went off the rails thematically and almost became more of a revenge thriller. And I have no problem with melodrama but for someone to do that and then somehow be lauded for Best Adaptation seems like a stretch to me.

Also, Gosling's character in particular was all over the place, at times being the political wunderkind but then being ridiculously naive (like when he thinks he and Tomeii are friends and that she's not just looking for a story.) He starts off as a kid who is full of himself but believes in his candidate and turns into a kid who is full of himself and is out to win at all costs because he loses faith in his candidate (with the big turn being that he was so self-involved that he forgot about the girl who he dropped off to have an abortion! and she offed herself.)

And then there's just unnecessary stuff like the fact that they added that she's the daughter of a big politician. Absolutely no reason to add that.

All told, they took a solid but not great play and made it into a political melodrama with so little of a point that people could pretty much read whatever they want into it. Reading articles on it was funny because writers would say it was about one thing and Clooney would say in another interview that it wasn't about that.

Again, it wasn't necessarily a bad movie but it was just a popcorn political thriller and hardly a strong adaptation of the source material.

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88. "haven't seen the play, so i can't really comment on any of this"
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but i thought the third act worked extremely well. he was naive at the beginning, got screwed by everyone, then got shrewd at the end. politics 101. maybe the play did it better, but i have to judge the film on its own merits.

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91. "You don't judge the film on its own merits for Adapted Screenplay"
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which was my point. For other nods, yes. Judge the film for what it is but you can't really say if a film was adapted well if you don't know the original source material.

And your comment about him being naive is exactly what I was talking about. That reading of the film wasn't what Clooney was going for at all (At worst, Gosling is an idealist. He's not supposed to seem naive; he's supposed to be young but also the next great political operative.) Both the film and the play were about how Gosling was full of himself and played himself by thinking he was smarter than Giammatti's character and that he could get away with whatever. The play ends there (Clooney's character isn't in the play at all.) The lead's hubris destroys his career. The abortion drama and what not was all added and completely changes the focus of the film in a way that Heslov and Clooney didn't intend. It's unfocused which is why some people think it's still about hubris, others say it's the corrupting power of politics, others the story of Gosling waking up from his naivete.



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99. "no, you actually have to"
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because you can't reasonably expect everyone to be familiar with the source material of every adapted screenplay. everybody hasn't read moneyball, ELIC, tinker tailor, etc. likewise, everybody hasn't seen the play ides of march is based on. in fact, i'd bet almost no one has. so to judge the films using that yardstick isn't really fair, since no one else is. you're also judging it using a standard that's much higher than the standard you're using to judge other films whose source material you aren't familiar with. that's why i try to judge every film using the same yardstick: does it work or not?

on a side note, i might be the only person who saw fincher's girl with the dragon tattoo without reading the book or seeing the swedish version first, and i was blown away. maybe i wouldn't have been if i'd been familiar with the earlier two iterations. nevertheless, it was what it was for me and it'll be at the top of my best pics list, even though i'm sure others will be downgrading it-- unfairly, IMO-- based on adaptation comparisons.

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109. "And that's why it's such a nonsense category."
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>because you can't reasonably expect everyone to be familiar
>with the source material of every adapted screenplay.
>everybody hasn't read moneyball, ELIC, tinker tailor, etc.
>likewise, everybody hasn't seen the play ides of march is
>based on. in fact, i'd bet almost no one has. so to judge
>the films using that yardstick isn't really fair, since no one
>else is. you're also judging it using a standard that's much
>higher than the standard you're using to judge other films
>whose source material you aren't familiar with. that's why i
>try to judge every film using the same yardstick: does it work
>or not?

I don't think it makes sense to not look at the source material, especially because there's are different degrees of difficulty to adaptations. I didn't like Moneyball that much but the fact that they made it into a decent movie is far more impressive than Ides of March. One started with an award winning play, the other started with a book that most people thought was unfilmable.
Also, if people DIDN'T take the source into account, every Shakespearean adaptation would probably see an Oscar. You're really going to say some film was better than MacBeth or Hamlet?

(And nevermind the fact that judging a screenplay based on the movie that hits the screen is like judging sex by what kind of baby it makes. Or as I mentioned last year - http://soulhonky.com/2011/12/thr_roundtable_the_writers_ful.html)


>on a side note, i might be the only person who saw fincher's
>girl with the dragon tattoo without reading the book or seeing
>the swedish version first, and i was blown away. maybe i
>wouldn't have been if i'd been familiar with the earlier two
>iterations. nevertheless, it was what it was for me and it'll
>be at the top of my best pics list, even though i'm sure
>others will be downgrading it-- unfairly, IMO-- based on
>adaptation comparisons.

I didn't read it or see the original (waited once I heard Fincher was doing it) and I wasn't all that impressed. Well made but cold and the actual whodunnit wasn't done that well and I never found the relationship between the two to be much of anything.
I saw it with my brother (who had read the book) and he said that the investigation was better in the book. Whereas the Nazi brother is basically just mentioned and then comes in to give a piece of evidence in the film, he's more of an active suspect in the book.

While I think a number of people downgrade the film because they knew the book or the film, that's not the only reason that people weren't that into it.

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110. "yeah, you can twist yourself in knots factoring in degree of difficulty"
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and parceling out credit. but i see what you're saying. with ides of march, the blueprint for greatness is there. moneyball is basically from scratch (at least the narrative). i'd just vote for whichever i thought was the better movie, and i'm guessing that's how 99% of awards voters operate as well. mostly 'cause it's just less work. as for assigning credit, i read your roundtable post and you're 100% right. some of the best lines are ad-libbed, some of the best screenplays make bad movies, and vice versa. problem is, it's just too much work to figure out who really deserves what. nobody's gonna read three dozen screenplays and familiarize themselves with all the source material, then cross-reference all that with what actually ends up on screen, so they can figure out who is truly deserving of the adapted screenplay award. at the end of the day, it's easier to just give the statue to the best movie.

i've heard a few people say they figured out early who the killer was in GWTDT (i realize that's not your primary critique, but it is for some). it's like, so what? it wasn't a whodunit where the whole point is to shock you with a big reveal. none of the developments were really shocking, and i don't think they were meant to be. the point was the how and why, and the journey there. i thought it was effective, relationships and all. you didn't. fair enough. but if i hear one more person say they figured out who the killer was...

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39. "The Angels signed Pujols and CJ Wilson"
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Hollywood types are getting a head start on pretending that they follow baseball.

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64. "I feel like I must've watched an early unfinished cut "
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The movie I saw was butt.

I like sports. I like movies. I like sports movies, movies about sports, however you wanna put it.

But Moneyball was an airball.

  

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67. "I thought it was *fine.*"
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I liked Brad Pitt in it, and one or two scenes crackled with energy (the trading scene around the desk). Outside of that? Take it or leave it.

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81. "y'all are nuts, moneyball was fire"
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better than social network.

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106. "Yeesh, I wouldn't go that far."
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>better than social network.

I want to see Moneyball again though, because I remember that even though it left me a bit cold, I thought the editing and sound and general construction of the film was pretty exquisite. It might be one that grows.

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my feelings on the social network are well documented:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=526894&mesg_id=526894&listing_type=search#537295

i think moneyball is the better film-- truer to the material, clearer theme, better execution. it is a bit cold though, i agree.

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32. "Just realized I went to high school with one of the guys nominated..."
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...for "Best Visual Effects" for Hugo. Oh shit, that's a trip.

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37. "Albert Brooks Responds to Oscar Snub: "I Was Robbed""
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http://www.thewrap.com/awards/article/albert-brooks-responds-oscar-snub-you-dont-me-you-really-dont-me-34722

Albert Brooks Responds to Oscar Snub: 'I Got Robbed!'
Published: January 24, 2012 @ 9:05 am3 CommentsPrint this page
By Brent Lang & Lucas Shaw
Despite his chilling performance in "Drive," Albert Brooks was snubbed by the Oscars on Tuesday morning.


But instead of sticking a cork back in the champagne bottle and weeping privately to himself, the comedian and Twitter maestro mined the omission for humor.

Also read: Oscar Nominees: The Complete List

While this year's crop of Academy Awards nominees hit the press circuit to find fresh ways to express their gratitude, Albert Brooks took to the social media site to respond hilariously to his Oscar snub.

"I got ROBBED. I don't mean the Oscars, I mean literally. My pants and shoes have been stolen," Brooks tweeted shortly after the nominations were announced.

Also read: Oscar Nominations: The Snubs (Slideshow)

Moments later he mimicked Sally Fields infamous Oscar acceptance speech.

"And to the Academy: "You don't like me. You really don't like me," Brooks added.

Even before the nominations were announced, Brooks (a previous nominee for 1987's "Broadcast News") was pessimistic about his chances of nabbing the golden guy. The comedian had accepted that it was Christopher Plummer's year for his portrayal of a gay man coming out of the closet late in life in "Beginners."

Also read: Oscar Nominations Analysis: Contradictory, and Good for 'The Artist'

"Tomorrow morning I find out if I have to go to any more events that Christopher Plummer wins," Brooks tweeted on Monday night.


And Brooks wasn't the only Oscar snub-ee to take to Twitter. "Young Adult's" Patton Oswald tweeted invites to other pass-overs to get drunk.

The comedian (right) first invited Brooks to the Drawing Room, a bar on Hillhurst Avenue in Los Angeles’ Los Feliz neighborhood.

It's a dark, dive-y spot, so day drinking is encouraged.

As Oswald continued to press Brooks -- who took to Twitter as well -- Oswalt joked that Andy Serkis ("Rise of the Planet of the Apes") was controlling the jukebox and Michael Fassbender ("Shame") donned a pirate hat. Calm down ladies, George Clooney has dibs.

But what about the actresses who were passed over?

Charlize Theron and Tilda Swinton showed up in a stolen cop car, and then this:

“@AlbertBrooks Dude, GET DOWN HERE. Gosling is doing keg stands and Olsen & Dunst LITERALLY just emerged from a shower of rose petals."

Doesn't Mena Suvari own the whole rose petals concept after "American Beauty"?

And what would Oscar talk be without a mention of Lars Van Trier? Lacking, but in this case we refer you to Oswalt's account.


I'm sorry but this funny as hell.

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38. "The thing I'm most surprised about is Extremely Loud for Best Pic."
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That thing was pummeled by critics. It has a whopping score of 46/100 on Metacritic. By most accounts it's shameless Oscar bait...which apparently worked. It's just that a lot of people had to vote for that thing in the First Place spot for it to get in, so I'm just really surprised by that.

Brooks omission is obviously a surprise, but less so when many have pointed out that the Oscars often snub comedians who take lauded dramatic turns...Jonah Hill notwithstanding. Glad to see Nolte slip in there though, he was a crucial anchor for that movie IMO. His scene where he falls of the wagon and is yelling at Ahab is the exact type of acting the Academy loves to reward.

Not that surprised about Fassbender getting left off. Oscar's pretty image conscious, so it's not really that surprising that they didn't nominate a chronic masturbater from an NC-17 movie.

Gosling was great this year, but if they didn't nominate him for Blue Valentine, they weren't going to nominate him for any of these three movies. I'm way more mad about that snub than any of these. He's young, he has time - he'll probably be a multiple-winner someday.

I'm really happy that Oldman is getting recognized for his OUTSANDING work in TTSS. The movie is a more credible Best Picture contender than most of the stuff that actually got nominated.

Tree of Life was my favorite movie of the year by far, but I know it has no chance of actually winning, so I'm rooting for Hugo hard. I think if any movie has the chance to upset Artist, it will be Hugo. The fact that it picked up all sorts of technical nominations means those segments of the voting body are big fans of it, which could translate to Best Picture votes. It's really not too far fetched that it could sneak out with a win. I think right today Mary is the slight favorite to win Best Director.



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49. "RE: The thing I'm most surprised about is Extremely Loud for Best Pic."
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>That thing was pummeled by critics. It has a whopping score
>of 46/100 on Metacritic. By most accounts it's shameless
>Oscar bait...which apparently worked. It's just that a lot of
>people had to vote for that thing in the First Place spot for
>it to get in, so I'm just really surprised by that.
>

I'd rather just read the book than go see the movie. I just can't stand shameless oscar bait movies...I can't.

But, Viola Davis is in this and I *DID* hear from the folk I know who saw it, it was decent. I think I may just wait until it comes out on dvd...

>Brooks omission is obviously a surprise, but less so when many
>have pointed out that the Oscars often snub comedians who take
>lauded dramatic turns...Jonah Hill notwithstanding. Glad to
>see Nolte slip in there though, he was a crucial anchor for
>that movie IMO. His scene where he falls of the wagon and is
>yelling at Ahab is the exact type of acting the Academy loves
>to reward.

Yes, though I do think with Nolte, the nomination is more for a) rewarding him for getting clean from his last public fall off the wagon a few years ago and b) this award makes up for performances in which he should have been nominated, but wasn't (i.e. AFFLICTION and THE PRINCE OF TIDES--or was he nominated for that and just didn't win?!)...but i'm glad he slipped in the list. Good for him.

>Not that surprised about Fassbender getting left off. Oscar's
>pretty image conscious, so it's not really that surprising
>that they didn't nominate a chronic masturbater from an NC-17
>movie.

chronic masturbater is the least of it. dude was a full fledged sex addict, getting it in from any *AND* everyone he could...sidenote: in the screenplay, he went to some random club and got head from a dude...did they show that in the movie? In the script, I was in awe at how detached and clinical that whole scene was...and ultimately, how realistic it truly was also.


>Gosling was great this year, but if they didn't nominate him
>for Blue Valentine, they weren't going to nominate him for any
>of these three movies. I'm way more mad about that snub than
>any of these. He's young, he has time - he'll probably be a
>multiple-winner someday.

true on all of this.


>I'm really happy that Oldman is getting recognized for his
>OUTSANDING work in TTSS. The movie is a more credible Best
>Picture contender than most of the stuff that actually got
>nominated.

YUP.

>Tree of Life was my favorite movie of the year by far, but I
>know it has no chance of actually winning, so I'm rooting for
>Hugo hard. I think if any movie has the chance to upset
>Artist, it will be Hugo. The fact that it picked up all sorts
>of technical nominations means those segments of the voting
>body are big fans of it, which could translate to Best Picture
>votes. It's really not too far fetched that it could sneak
>out with a win. I think right today Mary is the slight
>favorite to win Best Director.
>

Yes, I do think Marty will probably win for Director. And, I hope he does.


I want Oldman or Bichir to win Best Actor, but I suspect it will go to Clooney or Pitt.

Just like I would have loved to have seen Tilda Swinton slip in for Best Actress...and Meryl will probably win.

But, I would be happy to see Viola or Rooney somehow slip in and win it also.

I love Meryl, but damn, again?! LOL!

Everytime i see her in a movie during the fall, i just KNOW she's getting a nomination of some sort. Don't get me wrong, Meryl really is the G.O.A.T. as an actress, but shit, let her cook next year and let some of the younger actresses slip in! LOL!

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62. "Viola Davis is only in 2 scenes in EL&IC. "
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>>That thing was pummeled by critics. It has a whopping
>score
>>of 46/100 on Metacritic. By most accounts it's shameless
>>Oscar bait...which apparently worked. It's just that a lot
>of
>>people had to vote for that thing in the First Place spot
>for
>>it to get in, so I'm just really surprised by that.
>>
>
>I'd rather just read the book than go see the movie. I just
>can't stand shameless oscar bait movies...I can't.
>
>But, Viola Davis is in this and I *DID* hear from the folk I
>know who saw it, it was decent. I think I may just wait until
>it comes out on dvd...

She's makes the most of it a la Doubt but it's really nothing worth screaming & shouting about.

with Nolte, the nomination is more for
>a) rewarding him for getting clean from his last public fall
>off the wagon a few years ago and b) this award makes up for
>performances in which he should have been nominated, but
>wasn't (i.e. AFFLICTION and THE PRINCE OF TIDES--or was he
>nominated for that and just didn't win?!

Nominated for both

>>Not that surprised about Fassbender getting left off.
>Oscar's
>>pretty image conscious, so it's not really that surprising
>>that they didn't nominate a chronic masturbater from an
>NC-17
>>movie.
>
>chronic masturbater is the least of it. dude was a full
>fledged sex addict, getting it in from any *AND* everyone he
>could...sidenote: in the screenplay, he went to some random
>club and got head from a dude...did they show that in the
>movie?

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65. "RE: Viola Davis is only in 2 scenes in EL&IC. "
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>>>That thing was pummeled by critics. It has a whopping
>>score
>>>of 46/100 on Metacritic. By most accounts it's shameless
>>>Oscar bait...which apparently worked. It's just that a lot
>>of
>>>people had to vote for that thing in the First Place spot
>>for
>>>it to get in, so I'm just really surprised by that.
>>>
>>
>>I'd rather just read the book than go see the movie. I just
>>can't stand shameless oscar bait movies...I can't.
>>
>>But, Viola Davis is in this and I *DID* hear from the folk I
>>know who saw it, it was decent. I think I may just wait
>until
>>it comes out on dvd...
>
>She's makes the most of it a la Doubt but it's really nothing
>worth screaming & shouting about.

I assumed as much. But, it's Viola...she does A LOT with a little and does it WELL...i'm just saying.

This is sounding like a wait for it to come out on netflix kind of deal.

>with Nolte, the nomination is more for
>>a) rewarding him for getting clean from his last public fall
>>off the wagon a few years ago and b) this award makes up for
>>performances in which he should have been nominated, but
>>wasn't (i.e. AFFLICTION and THE PRINCE OF TIDES--or was he
>>nominated for that and just didn't win?!
>
>Nominated for both


AHHHH ok.

>>>Not that surprised about Fassbender getting left off.
>>Oscar's
>>>pretty image conscious, so it's not really that surprising
>>>that they didn't nominate a chronic masturbater from an
>>NC-17
>>>movie.
>>
>>chronic masturbater is the least of it. dude was a full
>>fledged sex addict, getting it in from any *AND* everyone he
>>could...sidenote: in the screenplay, he went to some random
>>club and got head from a dude...did they show that in the
>>movie?
>
>Yep
>

Word? so they showed him getting an oral dick down by a dude on film?! oh, SHAME was *TOTALLY* not getting noms with that kind of content in the film (joking but not really)....

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84. "don't believe the hate, ELIC was *GREAT*"
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critics lose again.

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42. "Yea the Academy is fucking up..."
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I can't stop laughing that War Horse and Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close got Best Picture noms. Did they even see the latter? That shit was corny as hell.

Gosling was in 3 of my favorites this year, and I'm not surprised by the snub in general on those flicks.

Tree of Life is my movie of 2011 and since it won't win, I seriously hope Hugo goes in and rapes everything (which I doubt it will).

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>That shit was corny as hell.

Corny has never been a bad thing for Oscars.

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43. "strange, I haven't seen many of these, yet I know it's doo doo."
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Huh.

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Warrior, Hugo, Tinker Tailor, and Beginners are all terrific. I think you know my feelings on Rango and Midnight in Paris already. Many of the acting noms are very good performances in pretty good movies.

I just wanted Drive and Take Shelter to get more love, but that's an unrealistic desire really.

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I don't know what I've told you and what I haven't, lol.

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50. "Broad strokes"
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This quite honestly might be my least favorite year in terms of the Oscars ever. There is pretty much zero chance I tune in to watch this. I could go through and nitpick the categories but to save time I'll just say I think these quality films got overlooked:
Drive
Melancholia
Beginners
Another Earth
The Double Hour
Marcy May Martha Marlene

And I think these films are a joke. Probably the first year ever I chose not to see the majority of the nominees:
>Best Picture
>“Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close” Scott Rudin, Producer
>“The Help” Brunson Green, Chris Columbus and Michael
>Barnathan, Producers
>“Midnight in Paris” Letty Aronson and Stephen Tenenbaum,
>Producers
>“War Horse“ Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy, Producers

Some of the films I listed didn't really have a realistic chance to garner mainstream awards but I'm still disappointed as I am every year around this time.

Surprised none of the Drive fans are upset that amazing soundtrack didn't get a nom. That just seems like an obvious miss.

  

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53. "The soundtrack kind of overshadowed the score"
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And, to my knowledge, none of the songs on the soundtrack are originals for the movie.

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54. "Drive had a few previously recorded songs on the soundtrack"
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Which I think disqualifies it from contention according to the rules.

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70. "Midnight in Paris was enjoyable though"
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I wouldn't have thought of it as Oscar caliber, cause it still comes off as lesser Woody Allen...but I would say it was a good movie.

Now as for Bridesmaids getting so many nominations...that is some crazy shit.

  

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71. "Bridesmaids only got two nominations"
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and both were well-deserved. Kristin Wiig could have been nominated as well.

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72. "It's very enjoyable. I'm a fan."
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I think it might have been better if McAdams and her family weren't such obvious one-note boobs, but the stuff in the past is pretty magical at times. That Hemingway monologue is one of my favorite moments of 2011.

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55. "I still think Elizabeth Olsen was the best actress of 2011"
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Her performance in MarthaMMM still sticks with me months later.

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63. "Likewise"
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69. "Her studio didn't send screeners out to the Academy."
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Whoops. Hence no MMMM nominations.

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60. "How does a category (Original Song) only have 2 nominees?"
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Also, I personally preferred Life's a Happy Song and Pictures in My Head over Man or Muppet

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74. "I think everyone prefers both of those songs"
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As Frank (and others) have said Man or Muppet is a nice, kooky song but it's pretty one note.

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75. "I just realized this afternoon... no MARCY'S SONG!?!"
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I mean, come the fuck on, guys.

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89. "it's actually not an original song though..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP2eOd-I2B8&feature=related

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117. "rules governing the category..."
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..you'd be surprised how many songs are eliminated each year

somethin' tells me they'll be amended soon.


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77. "this george clooney thing is officially out of control"
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i actually like clooney quite a bit as an actor and i also think he's a hollywood treasure as mandated by california law, but i can't believe that there's anyone who truly believes he gave one of the five best performances of the year. the descendants is an okay movie with some nice performances and george held his own, but the fact that it was ever considered a best picture contender or that clooney has won even a single award for best performance of the year-- in an unusually strong year for male performances-- is a testament to how out of control the award circuit's hard-on for clooney is. it was out of control back with up in the air. now it's been way over four hours and it's time to seek immediate medical attention. as for the rest of the field...

the fassbender snub is one of the worst in years. his performance was hands down the best of the year, and again, in a very strong year for male leads. i can't believe there's anyone on the planet who truly thinks his performance was inferior to clooney or pitt's. that's 100% beauty pageant politics, and it's disgraceful. i didn't think gary oldman was all that special in tinker tailor, but he's one of my favorites and i just found out this was his first ever nod, so i'll allow it. i have no idea how demian bichir snuck in for a film no one saw (and that actually wasn't that great outside of his performance), but he deserves to be there. out of this field though, dujardin would be my pick.

i was really glad to see extremely loud incredibly close get a best picture nod, despite the avalanche of criticism from people who "still haven't processed 9/11" (c) ryan from the office. i get that 9/11 has been used for a decade now to pull our strings in one way (iraq) or another (dumb arguments with friends), and i get that the subject has basically been emotionally poisoned for our generation. but the film on its own merits is fantastic. the relationship between thomas horn and max von sydow's characters (both deserving of nods IMO) is the best put on film this year. i understand why the girl with the dragon tattoo got snubbed: the academy frowns on films that are too entertaining (i'm being dead serious), but right now it's at the top of my best picture list. i thought the descendants and the help were just okay, but with nine nominees and neither of them having a chance to win, it's hard to get too worked up about it.

i don't know how you give a directing nod to woody allen for such a writing-driven film. great writing and he deserved a nod there, but anybody could've directed that. ditto for alexander payne. fincher got robbed. best director has to go to hazanavicius for turning a black and white silent film into one of the best moviegoing experiences of the year, but i haven't yet seen hugo so i can't say that too emphatically yet.

they say you can't give meryl streep an oscar every year, but, uh, yeah you can. she grabbed it by the throat this year. first glimpse of her in the convenience store, i kid you not, i was thinking, wow, how did they get margaret thatcher to actually appear in this movie? next thought: oh. next thought: my God. really glad rooney mara got in. she was supposedly on the bubble, when really she should be one of the favorites. grading on a curve, i didn't think viola davis or michelle williams were super special by their standards. glenn close was incredible though, and in many other years would have walked away with this.

i'm all for funny guys getting serious for roles, but outside of that dynamic, jonah hill wasn't award-worthy, just solid. i think the academy gets less and less relevant every year it ignores andy serkis. kind of like the emmy's ignoring the wire. standing slow clap though for recognizing melissa mccarthy, who stole every frame she was in and elevated the whole thing. with all the great work she's done recently, i'm glad to see jessica chastain get a nom, but truthfully the help was probably her third best performance this year. i'd have nominated her in something else, then given a nod to bryce dallas howard, who i thought made for a pretty fantastic real housewives of jim crow era villain. it'll be octavia though, and she earned it.

absolutely ecstatic to see undefeated get a documentary nod. it starts out with such a hollywood premise: white coach rides in to save black inner-city football program, but then does it so much better than hollywood ever could. it'll be high on my best picture list.

i'm hoping the best foreign film and screenplay nods for a separation means it'll be shown in a theater somewhere within a 200-mile radius of los angeles county at some point. i've heard nothing but the highest praise for it.

best soundtrack of the year was alexandre desplat for ELIC, and he didn't even get a nod. disgraceful. the song by brad pitt's daughter at the end of moneyball was absolutely pitch perfect. best connection of lyrics to film this year. again, no nod. like many others, i thought man or a muppet was one of the weaker songs in the film. life's a happy song was a no-brainer for a nomination.

so, yeah, this is longer than i intended. in conclusion, down with clooney.

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83. "great post, well done sir"
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86. "Not sure how you can say that this was a strong year for actors"
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If it was such a strong year, wouldn't more people be up in arms about pedestrian performances getting attention or even awards?

There were some good performances but it didn't seem like it was chock full of Oscar worth performances that it would be hard to trim the list down to five. I mean, one of the big debates was Brooks vs. Oswalt vs. Hill and I think they all gave rather good but not great performances.

As for the Oscars, they've always been full of shit. They're fun for water cooler talk but to think they actually mean anything or were ever a real acknowledgement of the best of the best. I just don't think the people who've been in charge of a pretty shitty era of Hollywood films should he held with such high regard.

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90. "when have people ever been up in arms about anything?"
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generally the public's attitude towards the oscars is "please, oh mighty sages, tell us what films and performances were best this year." and then whatever b.s. the academy says-- up in the air, hurt locker, crash, jonah hill, sandra bullock-- everyone just nods and goes along with. there was a mini-revolt after the dark knight snub since, you know, everyone had seen it and could plainly see the emperor had no clothes, but they generally get away with whatever since, like, 0.2% of the population is ever going to see the descendants.

when i said it was a strong year for actors, i was specifically talking leads. and the hill/oswalt/brooks debate doesn't necessarily indicate a weak year for supporting, just that the academy gets into this "oh my god, that funny guy can act!" thing and goes overboard with it. (for the record though, i think oswalt is a pretty strong actor, dating back a few years ago to big fan, and haven't yet seen drive)

>As for the Oscars, they've always been full of shit. They're
>fun for water cooler talk

and that's the bottom line. at the end of the day, it's a beauty pageant, backroom ring kissing and all. hence, clooney.

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92. "What were the strong leads?"
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I'm surprised Michael Shannon got overlooked (haven't seen Shame) but I'm just not seeing a lot of memorable performances this year. Granted, the main reason for that is a lack of memorable characters but still, I think it's hard to call this a strong year for pretty much anything.

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93. "RE: What were the strong leads?"
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I badly need to see Shame but I agree 100% with theprofessional about Clooney. I like the guy but that is not an award-worthy performance. I thought The American was more impressive just in the sense that he downplayed all his Clooney-isms. The Descendants he basically just jogged thru.

I definitely co-sign Michael Shannon in "Take Shelter" and was even more impressed by Woody Harrelson in "Rampart" which absolutely no one talks about. I also thought Ewan McGregor was great in "Beginners" but I loved that film and it seemed most people didn't care about it.

For the first time in memory I'd actually say there were more strong female performances this year than male. Rooney Mara, Elizabeth Olsen, Brit Marling (Another Earth), Kirsten Dunst (Melancholia) and even Jessica Chastain in "Tree of Life".

  

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100. "there are tons of performances no one's even talking about"
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two that immediately come to mind are paul giamatti in win-win and ralph fiennes in coriolanus (one of the strongest performances of his career in an otherwise absolutely unintelligible film). i literally haven't seen those performances mentioned once by anyone. add those to the academy list (minus clooney) and all the snubs mentioned in here-- shannon, gosling, fassbender, dicaprio, etc.-- and you could come up with a double digit list of plausible best actor nominees. i agree, it's been a weak year for movies overall, but not for male leads.

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104. "I don't even think it's been a weak year."
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I could name double digit movies I can't wait to buy on Blu-Ray. And that's not even including documentaries.

It just seems weaker because much of the big name stuff hasn't lived up to the hype... but I'd argue that much of the big name stuff isn't bad either, it just falls under the B range. Most of the Best Pic category falls between B+ and B-.

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102. "Peter Mullan in Tyrannosaur"
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an absolute beast of a performance (and Olivia Colman was great too), but maybe the movie was too "tough" for the academy to get behind

There were others mentioned here, but IMO Mullan was unjustly forgotten in this whole awards hoopla (although he got nominated for the BAFTA I think)

I like Clooney, think he generally makes some interesting, decent choices, but his acting The Descendants felt so middle-of-the-road that I still can't fathom all the applause. At least when it comes to War Horse of ELIC there's a consensus that these were surprises, but it seems very few people have problems with Clooney being on there while Gosling, Shannon, Fassbender, Mullan, etc are left out.

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105. "Clooney is playing against type in The Descendants."
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He always plays the fast-talking (or non-talking) "I've got everything under control" guy. Here, for the first time I can remember in his career, he plays a guy who's barely swimming upstream. That first scene where he tries to charm the mom of the girl his daughter cussed out, and he fails epically, is such a smart introduction to how the film is going to use Clooney.

I don't know that Clooney would make my list (sadly, I haven't seen Tyrannosaur or Rampart), but he'd probably float around the 5 or 6 spot. It's not a movie I *loved*, but I really liked Clooney and what he did in it, and it's easy to see when a guy as loved as him plays against his usual type why the Academy would hoist him onto their shoulders.

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107. "ha, does that matter?"
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Clooney gets nominated because he's Clooney*, not because he bucks preconceived notions of his acting range. Syriana, Michael Clayton, Up in the Air...all fawned over.

*same for Scorsese. he didn't get nominated for Hugo because it was such a departure, he got nominated because he almost always does -- no matter what the quality of his recent work (Gangs of New York, Departed, Aviator).

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108. "Sure. It helps them justify it to themselves."
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He won for Syriana because it was darker, bearded, out-of-shape Clooney. They can say, "We love him AND he's really Acting!" The same thing very well may happen here-- I think he's the favorite at this point, which we couldn't really ever say about Up In The Air or Michael Clayton*. We'll see how the SAGs go.

I agree about Marty though, who is on Clint Eastwood level lifetime praise for everything, although the amount of noms for Hugo indicate that the Academy just loves the film on the whole, not just cuz it's Marty. If anything has a chance to pull a massive upset over The Artist, it's Hugo.

Plus, they don't *literally* get nominated for everything. Marty lost out for Shutter Island last year, and Clooney lost out for The American. The movies these wildly popular folks make or perform in have to be palatable to the majority of the Academy, and movies like Hugo and The Descendants are easier for the Academy layman to love than Shutter Island or The American. Hence Brad Pitt catching a nom for Moneyball and not Tree of Life-- more palatable.

*- although I must point out that he was facing powerhouses both years-- generally, Best Actor is usually sewn up pretty early. The only years in the last decade they weren't were Sean Penn vs. Mickey Rourke and Adrien Brody beating DDL and Jack. Should be an interesting race this year, though if Clooney wins the SAG, I'll call it for him early.

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94. "jonah hill was incredible...the rest is fine"
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95. "I think Fassbender was inferior to Clooney and Pitt."
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Not his fault really-- the script lets him down.

Now, if Shame had continued to toe the line that it did the first, say, 45 minutes or so, through that date scene, we'd have a different story. But McQueen gives him absolutely nothing to do at the end other than perform "vile" empty sex acts and grimace at the camera. Clooney and Pitt's scripts give them pay off, and when coupled with the fact that each of their performances is among their best work of their careers, I'm not mad at their noms.

I'd rather take Shannon over all three of them. Or Gosling for Drive. Or either guy from Warrior. Or even John Boyega from Attack the Block. They gave me performances I'll remember past those three. I know all of those save Shannon are totally unrealistic choices... but it just goes to underscore the fact that the Oscars shouldn't ever be taken that seriously.

I actually thought Fassbender should've been getting a push for A Dangerous Method, a movie I thought covered some similar thematic ground as Shame without bathing in the arthouse muck that Shame dives headfirst into towards the end. I'd take Fassbender in ADM over Brad Pitt in Moneyball certainly.

Maybe if Fassbender hung some dong as Carl Jung, more people would've talked about that movie. *shrug*

I also realize I'm somewhat alone on this board in hating on Shame... I think it's because the stuff that works for me in Shame (the date sequence, the throwing out the porn scene, the picking up the girl and fucking her in the alley) I really really loved, and the stuff that didn't (the final twenty minutes or so, the New York New York scene) I thought was obvious, drawn-out, and even worse, one-dimensional. There's a "FUCK YOU YOU ALMOST HAD SOMETHING" type of anger that grows in me when I think about Shame.

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101. "i'm beginning to think you didn't like shame"
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i'm not sure how you can dock points from fassbender for script and director issues. i had the same issues with the film you did. *shrug* he still gave the best performance of the year.

>I also realize I'm somewhat alone on this board in hating on
>Shame... I think it's because the stuff that works for me in
>Shame (the date sequence, the throwing out the porn scene, the
>picking up the girl and fucking her in the alley) I really
>really loved, and the stuff that didn't (the final twenty
>minutes or so, the New York New York scene) I thought was
>obvious, drawn-out, and even worse, one-dimensional. There's a
>"FUCK YOU YOU ALMOST HAD SOMETHING" type of anger that grows
>in me when I think about Shame.

yeah, you're not alone. cosign all this, except for the anger. there were numerous missteps, but i thought the film still ended up a net plus. the performances + the scenes that really work outweighed the melodrama and arthouse b.s. for me.

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103. "Well, the script robbed him of opportunity."
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*spoilers*

Whereas at the beginning we see his methods and we see his aftermath without resorting to cheap melodrama, and his performance thrives, his performance suffers when McQueen forces him to make a sad face while manically thrusting during an orgy, or make a sad face while getting blown by a dude. Or make a sad face when his sister tries to kill herself because her brother wouldn't pick up the phone too busy having gay sex and 3-ways.

When you compare what Fassbender gets to do at the peak of his character arc vs., say, Michael Shannon in Take Shelter, there's absolutely no comparison between the performances in my opinion. You can only be as good as the material you're given. And while Fassbender soars during the date scene, he's given hackneyed character emotions to play at film's end.

I think Fassbender is better (and certainly more consistent) in A Dangerous Method, which deals with how sex controls our impulses without ever giving him "Oscar moments" to scream, cry, and hang his dong on his sister. Shit, the moment in X-Men: First Class when he moves the big dish and a tear rolls down his cheek was more affecting to me than any of his emotional scenes in Shame. Only the scenes in which his emotion was internalized and his shame manifested itself in realistic ways was I emotionally engaged.

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112. "if only someone would do a fassbender sad face meme"
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yeah, i see your point. still disagree. i haven't seen take shelter or a dangerous method though, and probably won't before the lattes. sad face.

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113. "Take Shelter hits DVD 2/14."
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Dunno if you're into checking for internet leaks, but it'll likely hit a week before that. And the Oscars are the 26th. You might be able to sneak it in.

Maybe not my *favorite* movie of the year... but it'd probably be my vote for the best.

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114. "RE: Take Shelter hits DVD 2/14."
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>Dunno if you're into checking for internet leaks, but it'll
>likely hit a week before that. And the Oscars are the 26th.
>You might be able to sneak it in.
>
>Maybe not my *favorite* movie of the year... but it'd probably
>be my vote for the best.


yes, Take Shelter, Tyrannosaur (Peter Mullan *AND* Olivia Collman were snubbed...damn near all of my friends who've seen Tyrannosaur say Mullan should have TOTALLY had one of the Best Actor spots seriously), Shame (I vaguely think I saw a screener for this but I can't remember the script (the version I read)showed A LOT of promise...) are all on my list of DVD netflix rentals/gets in the coming weeks/months

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96. "Here's a weigh in on the song debate (*swipe*)"
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http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-beat-goes-on/posts/what-do-the-oscar-voters-have-against-music

What do the Oscar voters have against music?

Some thoughts on today's shocking best original song choices

By Melinda Newman Tuesday, Jan 24, 2012 6:00 PM

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What do the Oscar voters have against music?

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Why do the Oscar voters hate songs so much? Once again, the music branch has shown utter contempt for contemporary songwriters as they nominated only two tunes in the best original song category out of the 39 deemed eligible. What an insult.

A few years ago the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts & Sciences changed the way it nominated songs, making it much harder for a tune to qualify. The Academy now holds a session to screen movie clips featuring the eligible songs. The members of the music branch then assign the songs a score. Those scores are then averaged; to be eligible a song must receive an average score of 8.25 or more (if only one song achieves that criteria, the second highest score is also selected). If two or more songs achieve the 8.25 benchmark, they will be the nominees up to a total of five.

To be eligible, both the words and music must have been written specifically for the film and the song must appear either in the film body or as the first cue in the end credits (Madonna’s Golden Globe-winning “Masterpiece” from “W.E.” was deemed ineligible because it was the second cue in the end credits).

Since the new rules have been in place, songs that seemed like shoo-ins, such as Bruce Springsteen’s “The Wrestler” from the movie of the same name, have not made the grade.

We can’t for the life of us figure out how five songs from this year’s eligible batch didn’t make the cut. We’d like to see a little transparency from the music branch and have its members explain exactly what they’re looking for since it seems incredulous that they couldn’t come up with more than two tunes.

In recent years, AMPAS also altered the rules so that no more than two songs from any one film can be nominated. If the committee is having such a godawful time finding five songs its members deem good enough for consideration, maybe the Academy should consider rescinding the two-song limit.

Here are songs that should have made the cut (in addition to the fine two choices of “Rio’s” “Real in Rio,” a heretofore overlooked track that beautifully sets the mood for the animated flick, and “Man or Muppet” from “The Muppets”). For a look at other Oscar winners and losers, go here.


*“Star Spangled Man” from “Captain America: The First Avenger.” The song, written by Oscar fave Alan Menken (and David Zippel) has everything a voter could possible want in a nominee: it’s placed right in a pivotal scene in the movie, as opposed to the end title; it propels the plot, it’s catchy as can be, and, did we mention it written by Alan Menken, for Christ’s sake.

*”Love Builds a Garden” from “Gnomeo & Juliet.” To be sure, “Hello, Hello” a duet between Elton John and Lady Gaga garnered more attention (and the Golden Globe nod), but this classic John/Bernie Taupin tune captures the beautiful love story between the two flamingos in the best wordless montage since “Up.”

*”The Living Proof” from “The Help.” Considered an absolute lock for a nomination, this beautiful tune, co-written and performed by Mary J. Blige, was an end title song, but it perfectly wrapped up the spirit of the movie. Blige wrote it as she watched footage: you can't adhere to the rules more than that.

*”Life’s a Happy Song” from “The Muppets.” I prefer this to “Man or Muppet,” which seems a little forced with the “manly muppet” line, where as “Life’s A Happy Song” is pure joy. It does everything you want a song in a movie to do and it stands alone as its own song outside of the film. The catchiest song among the 39 eligible tunes

*”Where The River Goes” from “Footloose.” I know this one never really stood a chance because the music branch voters probably have no idea who Zac Brown is or look down on country music, but if you look at the criteria and how the song is used, it’s a worthy choice. The song plays as Ren McCormack is coming into town and its dark undertones foreshadow the trouble coming his way. Hey, it was good enough for a Grammy nod...

While we’re primarily dismayed at the best original song, we’d also like to discuss our disappointment that Jonsi’s absolutely magical score for Cameron Crowe's “We Built A Zoo” didn’t receive a best original score nomination.

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97. "waitwaitwait..."
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Jonsi did the score for "We Bought a Zoo?" Like, Alex & Jonsi/Sigur Ros Jonsi?

Huh.

Maybe I should check that picture out.





And yes,
as we've all pointed out,
"Life's a Happy Song" is better than "Man or Muppet."

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>Jonsi did the score for "We Bought a Zoo?" Like, Alex &
>Jonsi/Sigur Ros Jonsi?

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115. "What about Viggo?"
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>Actor in a Supporting Role
>Kenneth Branagh in “My Week with Marilyn”
>Jonah Hill in “Moneyball”
>Nick Nolte in “Warrior”
>Christopher Plummer in “Beginners”
>Max von Sydow in “Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close”

I'm surprised there wasn't more talk about his role in A Dangerous Method. He was flawless in that film and completely dominated every scene he was in with Fassbender or anyone else. If Damien Bichir (who was great as Fidel in "Che") can get recognition for a role back in May, then I don't understand how someone with a greater track record can't receive the same love. Does anyone know if there was any serious talk of Viggo getting a nomination?

And yeah, I know at the end of the day that these are just awards and in any art form nominations and awards are usually handed out to the wrong people for the wrong reasons; and all the while more obscure material is constantly brushed aside. But what really bugs me is how the Oscars can dictate what most of America will watch and praise. Its prestige so power that I want the screenwriter for 50/50 to get a nomination so more people can see and appreciate his work, rather than Clooney or Pitt winning for an average performance that some actors (i.e. DDL, Benicio Del Toro, Sean Penn, Viggo) could blow out of the water by simply reading the phonebook.

I complain about this every year but time it makes me wonder specifically: Who are the voters for the Academy Awards? The age group, the demographics? I'm pretty sure it's old ass, conservative white men but I really curious about the real stats regarding the voting pool.

  

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116. "ACADEMY MEMBERSHIP BY THE NUMBERS:"
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Actors Branch: 1,170
Art Directors Branch: 359
Cinematographers Branch: 201
Directors Branch: 366
Documentary Branch: 157
Executives Branch: 441
Film Editors Branch: 220
Makeup Artists & Hairstylists Branch: 117
Music Branch: 233
Producers Branch: 444
Public Relations Branch: 363
Short Films and Feature Animation Branch: 343
Sound Branch: 402
Visual Effects Branch: 286
Writers Branch: 375

So yeah, it's overwhelmingly white men. By a looooooong shot. And most of them are over the age of 40, no question. Because there are lots of "artists," I'm not convinced they're conservative... but it's definitely old white men.

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119. "RE: ACADEMY MEMBERSHIP BY THE NUMBERS:"
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>Actors Branch: 1,170
>Art Directors Branch: 359
>Cinematographers Branch: 201
>Directors Branch: 366
>Documentary Branch: 157
>Executives Branch: 441
>Film Editors Branch: 220
>Makeup Artists & Hairstylists Branch: 117
>Music Branch: 233
>Producers Branch: 444
>Public Relations Branch: 363
>Short Films and Feature Animation Branch: 343
>Sound Branch: 402
>Visual Effects Branch: 286
>Writers Branch: 375
>
>So yeah, it's overwhelmingly white men. By a looooooong shot.
>And most of them are over the age of 40, no question. Because
>there are lots of "artists," I'm not convinced they're
>conservative... but it's definitely old white men.

thanks for the stats breakdown. I'm shocked by the amount of vote the are taken by Public Relations. It seems like an over representation of a group who shouldn't have as much power to sway an awards show dedicated to filmmakers.

  

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120. "RE: 2012 Academy Award Nominations"
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Todd Serencha ethered the oscars on his tumblr. I agree with dude 100%. Movies like the descendants are just as bad as the expendables, except in the other direction. Overall, I was pretty disappointed with this year's oscar nominees. I don't see what's particularly exceptional about them. I mean, they're not as bad the green hornet or captain america, but should they be revered just because they aren't some dumb comic book movie?

http://howsyrface.tumblr.com/post/16411897031/arent-oscarbatory-films-like-the-artist-hugo

Aren’t Oscarbatory films like The Artist, Hugo, and Midnight in Paris the high brow equivalent of the Transformers, easing the viewer into the same warm nostalgia bath, just with the particulars adjusted to reflect a different audience’s adolescent fixations? Might they even be even more meretricious because they rely on the borrowed auras from the canonical works/figures they reference (Méliès rather than Mégatron) to activate feelings of barely-earned recognition, which somehow invokes in the audience the false spirit of learning, or at very least, the smug satisfaction of the pub trivia warrior?
I mean, I feel this way about ‘em so that’s why I haven’t seen ‘em. I could be wrong!

  

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>I mean, I feel this way about ‘em so that’s why I haven’t seen
>‘em. I could be wrong!

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122. "This is literally the nomination list I thought it was going to be"
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