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Ason
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"Spinoff: Movies openly hostile to the viewer"


  

          

that Freddy got Fingered got me to thinking
movies that try and hurt the viewers sensibility
thru gore,shocking or disturbing images, plot
extremly twisted structure

the other movie that I can think off right off the bat that assaults the senses, that I've actually seen is

Eraserhead - a shitty litte student film by a guy that hates people

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Audition, Ichi the Killer, Requiem for a Dream...
Dec 24th 2005
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man yeah I rented Ichi the Killer off the strength
Dec 24th 2005
2
well...
Dec 24th 2005
4
      wait, you listed Ichi without having even seen it?
Dec 25th 2005
9
           I can honestly say from the very way in which the shots
Dec 25th 2005
11
           totally agree with that shit about requiem
Dec 26th 2005
25
                RE: totally agree with that shit about requiem
Dec 26th 2005
27
                     it's not a male/female thing it's just human being thing
Dec 26th 2005
28
                          if you equate Ichi with tubgirl
Dec 26th 2005
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                               yeah, but theres a difference from Ichi to say Shogun Assasin
Dec 26th 2005
35
                                    is there really?
Dec 26th 2005
36
                                         yeah morals, a real story entertainment
Dec 26th 2005
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           requiem is a good movie, but it is hostile.
Dec 30th 2005
53
RE: Audition, Ichi the Killer, Requiem for a Dream...
Dec 25th 2005
23
      trainspotting vs. requiem
Dec 26th 2005
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      RE: Audition, Ichi the Killer, Requiem for a Dream...
Dec 26th 2005
42
I almost forgot one: May
Dec 24th 2005
3
no, I'm certain that was all intentional
Dec 24th 2005
5
Irreversible
Dec 24th 2005
6
whats that about?
Dec 24th 2005
7
rape and revenge
Dec 25th 2005
14
      RE: rape and revenge
Dec 27th 2005
46
first and only one i agree with in this thread
Dec 25th 2005
10
Boys Don't Cry, Clockwork Orange
Dec 24th 2005
8
RE: Spinoff: Movies openly hostile to the viewer
Dec 25th 2005
12
nah
Dec 29th 2005
51
Wet Hot ridicules it audience.
Dec 25th 2005
13
Funniest Movie Ever.
Dec 25th 2005
15
RE: Funniest Movie Ever.
Dec 26th 2005
24
Its a joke on filmmaking conventions
Dec 27th 2005
47
      right
Dec 30th 2005
52
aka the indecency in film post
Dec 25th 2005
16
why Crash?
Dec 25th 2005
20
Dumplings
Dec 25th 2005
17
how was it openly hostile?
Dec 25th 2005
21
Far From Heaven
Dec 25th 2005
18
lol
Dec 26th 2005
26
      RE: lol
Dec 26th 2005
37
           what are ya'll talking 'bout?
Dec 26th 2005
39
                google bitch
Dec 26th 2005
40
                     show some respect to the man who gave you your sig!
Dec 27th 2005
43
                          LOL, my fault
Dec 27th 2005
45
Lars Von Trier / Todd Solondz
Dec 25th 2005
19
ok you're dead right about those 2
Dec 25th 2005
22
And have you seen "Breaking the Waves"? Jesus man...
Dec 26th 2005
31
      yeah i've seen it
Dec 26th 2005
32
           I really like his debut, Element of Crime
Dec 26th 2005
33
I like Welcome to the Dollhouse and Hapiness
Dec 26th 2005
30
RE: Spinoff: Movies openly hostile to the viewer
Dec 26th 2005
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That movie is is evil sick garbage and if you like it you
Dec 27th 2005
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      please explain
Dec 29th 2005
48
a lot of you in this post are WAY oversensitive.
Dec 29th 2005
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that much being said, i nominate Bamboozled and Clockers
Dec 29th 2005
50
My favorite thing abt Clockers:
Dec 30th 2005
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I must like being disturbed,
Dec 30th 2005
58
Gummo
Dec 30th 2005
54
Co sign
Jan 02nd 2006
63
lost highway, naked lunch, eyes wide shut and
Dec 30th 2005
56
Okay geniuses...
Dec 30th 2005
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      how can you like DOA but not Ichi?
Dec 31st 2005
59
we like most film emotions because they aren't real
Jan 01st 2006
60
ok and so what about that?
Jan 01st 2006
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      i'm just saying, it generates another type of emotion (real/direct)
Jan 02nd 2006
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1. "Audition, Ichi the Killer, Requiem for a Dream..."
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2. "man yeah I rented Ichi the Killer off the strength"
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of seeing someonehere mention it

horrible, couldn't finish it. just evil.
I started to watch Requium and couldn't stomache that either only like 4 or 5 mins in I just started to feel panicky and turned it off. And it wasn't because of what I heard about it before hand (very little). It just was so damn good at being what it was.


If thats the directors intent for these movies, I guess it is'nt hard to accomplish.

Whats that other one about?

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4. "well..."
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I have heard about Ichi and I am interested to see the violence in it. Doesnt some guy cut out his own tongue? That is some effed up crap.

Requiem was tough to watch, seeing 4 characters falling down the tubes of drugs. How they end up at the end is just horrible to watch, esp with Jennifer Connelly and the old woman. But its something to show your kids if you don't want them to do drugs, definately.

Audition is intriguing to me. I haven't seen it, but I know what it's about. Its from the guy who made Ichi, so it is fucked up too. It is a love story where some guy has trouble meeting women, and he goes to some place where he meets many women and they do auditions, sort of like a dating game. Then the movie shifts into violent mode when the guy's actions make the women feel uncomfortable, and she tortures him in a scene that I have heard is the worst in cinema. I am interested to watch b/c of the premise that the movie changes midway.

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9. "wait, you listed Ichi without having even seen it?"
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i don't know what kind of BS you're trying to pass on or why but Ichi is pure entertainment. it's literally a live action manga pulp comic. if you don't like cartoonish gore don't watch it. it's disgusting but hilarious.

Requiem is also not "hostile to the viewer." like many other films it reveals the ugly side of addiction. it doesn't have contempt for the viewer.

you should see Audition.

  

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11. "I can honestly say from the very way in which the shots"
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were composed, the colors, the lighting,
etc
was all made to make you feel ill and be repulsed in Requiem
I just couldn't take it

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25. "totally agree with that shit about requiem"
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yea drug abuse is generally uncomfortable when portrayed extremely realistic but the way that movie is made is purposely to make the viewer feel terrible.

and ichi the killer. one of the sickest (in a bad way) movies i've ever seen. the kid splits someone's body in half then blows a gallon of jizz on the wall its just pointless gross out shit

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27. "RE: totally agree with that shit about requiem"
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ok, maybe y'all DO have a point about Requiem. i haven't watched in 4 years but i own the dvd so i'll have to see it again.

i love how a girl in this thread (LeCoeur) not only didn't think Ichi was just a pointless gross out but really got what Miike was going for. some of you boys need to buck up.

  

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28. "it's not a male/female thing it's just human being thing"
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if the goal is to just erase over
subsume empathy for suffering
It's something that can be done, yes easily

theres plenty of gross out sites on the internet
women having sex with animals, tub girl etc


but is it worth it? whats the benefit for me?

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29. "if you equate Ichi with tubgirl"
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then you definitely didn't get the movie. do you ever read comics?

  

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35. "yeah, but theres a difference from Ichi to say Shogun Assasin"
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36. "is there really?"
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38. "yeah morals, a real story entertainment"
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not just gore for the sake of gore

that's just sick.


It's like this you go to a Rage Against the Maching concert
there is going to be some screaming, and thats fine because it fits within the scope of the music and the lyrics etc.

Now you could also go to some avant garde yoko ono "performance art"
shit and just have one person scream for an hour (no band no nothing)
and cut themm sleves with razors.


the first one I'd sit thru
the 2nd one I'd have to be sick to sit thru

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53. "requiem is a good movie, but it is hostile."
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i mean, you could prolly convince someone to stop with drugs after watching that movie.
and ichi and audition are on my list of movies to see.

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23. "RE: Audition, Ichi the Killer, Requiem for a Dream..."
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i agree with Audition, Irreversible as being so OUT there without a real purpose...

HOWEVER big disagreement with Ichi which i would compare to Pulp Fiction in the catagory of extreme violence and black humor. it's meant to be extreme and so extreme as to be funny. if you take these movies seriously like Ichi and Pulp you definately would NOT like them because without the humor they would be hard to take.

as for Requium and another movie i think is similar which is Trainspotting, it's hard to watch because the reality of drug use is extremely hard to watch for people who have not been exposed to that enviroment. its hard to watch people falling down that dark hole, but i don't think it's meant to offend the movie goer, but really to show them the reality of drug use and it's consequences.

movies like freddy got fingered and jackass (both of which i have not seen because i read enough about them to know it would be OFFENSIVE without merit) are two movies i would call OFFENSIVE to the movie goer....if i werent so tired i could give you a whole list of movies that i've seen that fit that description. i wonder who gave them MONEY to make such a pile of shit.

  

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34. "trainspotting vs. requiem"
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the only part i recall cringing at in trainspotting was the death of the baby

you couldnt pay me to sit through requiem again

  

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42. "RE: Audition, Ichi the Killer, Requiem for a Dream..."
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Irreversible? excuse me? there is nothing gratuitous or masturbatory about that film. It's one of the few movies I've seen that refuses to let the viewer off the hook. Ichi the killer is disgusting because the rape scene is mostly off camera. I don't buy that bullshit about "since the actual rape and punches are off camera it is actually more disturbing because if forces the viewer to face the fact that the actual violence is all in their heads." That's a cop-out, and the movie is smut.

Irreverible doesn't let the audience hide or avoid what is happening. If you are watching it, you are a willing voyuer and it makes you feel disgusting. Ichi The Killer glorifies rape because as hard as the scene is to watch, the audience can always take comfort in the fact that they don't actually see most of it.

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3. "I almost forgot one: May"
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but I don't think that was trying to be that
hostile until the end there, I think they were going for quirky
to the nth degree and got carried away

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5. "no, I'm certain that was all intentional"
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worked for me too.

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6. "Irreversible"
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7. "whats that about?"
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14. "rape and revenge"
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the director actually used a sound frequency used by French riot police to induce nausea in parts of it.

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46. "RE: rape and revenge"
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>the director actually used a sound frequency used by French
>riot police to induce nausea in parts of it.

And it fucking worked 2 perfection.

  

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10. "first and only one i agree with in this thread"
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some of these other choices have me scratching my head.

  

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8. "Boys Don't Cry, Clockwork Orange"
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12. "RE: Spinoff: Movies openly hostile to the viewer"
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Tarnation

  

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51. "nah"
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13. "Wet Hot ridicules it audience."
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The whole premise of Wet Hot American Summer is that if you put the appropriate music behind a scene, or shoot it in a specific way, you can force the audience to accept the most outrageous rediculous shit. It's basically one big joke on the viewer.

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15. "Funniest Movie Ever."
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I don't think they're trying to play a joke on an audience. I just think it's the usual comic device of playing off the outrageous as normal.

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24. "RE: Funniest Movie Ever."
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big cosign.

that movie is great.

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47. "Its a joke on filmmaking conventions"
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not on the viewer.

Part of what makes it so hilarious is that the characters are sympathetic and the story is involving.

Who doesn't love Coop?!

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52. "right"
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but the viewer justifies filmmaking convention, which is why I called it a joke on the viewer.

Anyways, it's obviously the funniest shit ever and that's about all that needs to be said.

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16. "aka the indecency in film post"
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ill say Crash (1996, not the new one)

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20. "why Crash?"
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that was just a bad film (by an awesome director) about a weird subject.

  

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17. "Dumplings"
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I haven't seen the full movie. But i did watch Three..Extremes; Dumplings being 1/3 of that movie.

Some parts are truly disturbing

  

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21. "how was it openly hostile?"
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it was just fucked up. i wouldn't put myself through the whole 90 minute version though.

  

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18. "Far From Heaven"
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shit was huff
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26. "lol"
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but it looked beautiful.

  

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37. "RE: lol"
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>but it looked beautiful.
True, but the huff was so strong it distracted from the beautiful photography.

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39. "what are ya'll talking 'bout?"
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40. "google bitch"
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43. "show some respect to the man who gave you your sig!"
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45. "LOL, my fault"
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but really, do a search on google or imdb.com
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19. "Lars Von Trier / Todd Solondz"
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Lars Von Trier lives to torture his fucking audience. I still haven't watched Dogtown (or was it Dogville?) because I know he's just gonna try and fuck with me, and I'm not going to let him do it to me again, fucker. I watched Dancer in the Dark twice, and I still feel dumb for letting him get me that second time. What was I thinking?

And Todd Solondz has built a career off making his audience uncomfortable. I like Welcome to the Dollhouse, but all his other stuff is pure crap that just fucks with the audience.

  

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22. "ok you're dead right about those 2"
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especially lars. breaking the waves is damn near excruciating and, as a bjork fan, my heart aches when ****SPOILER ALERT**** ****SPOILER ALERT**** selma is killed at the end of dancer in the dark.

  

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31. "And have you seen "Breaking the Waves"? Jesus man..."
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It's like Dancer in the Dark -- incredibly charismatic woman is forced into horrible situation to save her loved one, eventually meeting horrible tragedy -- only with Emily Watson and no musical numbers in between.

I might actually say Breaking the Waves is more horrible to watch than Dancer in the Dark. So yeah -- Lars hates you, you ticket-buying scum.

  

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32. "yeah i've seen it"
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i need to start making new paragraphs for seperate subjects.

i find it interesting how the real life acting/directing situation parallels the misogyny imposed on the film characters.

i think those are the only 1 von trier films i've seen, recommend anything else?

  

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33. "I really like his debut, Element of Crime"
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It's weird and kind of hypnotic and doesn't really match his style in his more recent films, but it's good all the same. It makes you feel a little weird and out of place, but it's not like totally painful like those other two movies.

Also, if you can watch the Criterion DVD edition there's a 50 minute documentary about him that is totally worth watching -- really shows how weird and crazy he is. (He's really weird and crazy, if you couldn't guess.) I'd recommend both films (same DVD, though).

I've heard The Idiots is good (his only Danish language film, too) but I haven't gotten around to watching it.

Most of his other stuff is not distributed well, or maybe not even released for all I know. That documentary on the Criterion DVD talks about all his work pre-Dancer though, and he's got a few more films which just seem determined to mess with the viewer in there, too.

  

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30. "I like Welcome to the Dollhouse and Hapiness"
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but Dancer in the Dark is the saddest shit ever.

That's on par with Bambi's mom getting shot, or Dumbos mom being taken away

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41. "RE: Spinoff: Movies openly hostile to the viewer"
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I'm going to jump to the conclusion that you are an idiot. Eraserhead is a masterpiece (as student films go).

Broke the rubber/ busted a
nut up in your mother/so how
you feel about having another
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44. "That movie is is evil sick garbage and if you like it you"
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must be the same.

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48. "please explain"
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how is it evil sick garbage?

Broke the rubber/ busted a
nut up in your mother/so how
you feel about having another
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49. "a lot of you in this post are WAY oversensitive."
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also, you need to learn the difference between "hostile to the viewer" and merely "disturbing"

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50. "that much being said, i nominate Bamboozled and Clockers"
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55. "My favorite thing abt Clockers:"
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it has no love interest. Like not even as a side plot. Romance or even sex doesn't even enter into the equation.

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58. "I must like being disturbed,"
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because I liked watching Requiem. If I'm home and IFC is showing it, I'll watch it.


I found Bully hard to watch, though.

  

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54. "Gummo"
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Yo,
That dude pimping out his retarted sister had my stomach all twisted...

the kid eating the candy bar in that dirty ass tub of water.....

I think everyone should see this though...you think poor black people are scary????Poor white people scare the shit out of me.

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63. "Co sign"
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I wish I'd never seen it.

Shit was just foul.

There are no redeeming factors to that movie.

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56. "lost highway, naked lunch, eyes wide shut and"
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the middle of full metal jacket


<--- that new hotness...

F.R.O.D.O. = FOR RIDE OR DIE ONLY

“The spirituality of which I speak in principle, I have never attained to.” (c) wesley

* all comments made about women apply to the formerly single TOREZ only

  

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57. "Okay geniuses..."
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Call me whatever you want, but what was "the point" to Ichii? I didn't see a point other than let's see how crazy we can get onscreen. I liked Audition and the first Dead or Alive, but Ichii? Come on!

  

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59. "how can you like DOA but not Ichi?"
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60. "we like most film emotions because they aren't real"
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they're emotions that happen to other people, you personally are not affected by the tragic events, so somehow you can enjoy the sadness as a sort of catharsis or admiration of beauty

when films are excessively gorey or shocking, however, the emotion becomes real, you actually leave the film feeling damaged for having witnessed something so horrendous, like it's an actual scar on your psyche

that's why there's no negative reaction (outcry) for war films when thousands are slaughtered, but there is for a film with a single graphic torture scene even if it amounts to less suffering overall

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Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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61. "ok and so what about that?"
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what are you saying about ppl who are disturbed by that one graphic scene

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62. "i'm just saying, it generates another type of emotion (real/direct)"
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it's natural to be repulsed by it (if you're not, probably you're numbed to it, or you weren't paying attention)

now why would you want to watch something that repulses you? you can't ENJOY something that repulses you, it's a contradiction in terms

that's the interesting question

- people who watch whole films of that sort of stuff... probably have some psychological problem, where they are numbed to most of the gore and they need something more hardcore, to remind themselves that they are still alive or whatever

- films that contain one shocking/repulsive scene in an otherwise normal (enjoyable) film. i find that in these cases you can treat the repulsion as Variable X in an equation, and find a simple message or intention for it being there. Like in Reservoir Dogs, the ear cutting scene points out a couple of things: 1. you were enjoying the scene up until the first graphic slash, even though it was obvious that things were about to turn very nasty 2. once one threshold of gore is reached, a new one appears (you see the slashings, but not the actual ear cutting, and the burning never happens). Or in King Lear, the scene where Gloucester (also tied to a chair) has his eyes plucked/gouged out on stage by the other characters - i think the point is that the repulsion here is probably only going to affect a theatre audience, not a reading audience, thus they will walk away with different interpretations even though they witnessed the same play (Shakespear def. knew people would read his plays as well as watch them).

- however i think this shock value is a considerbale disruption to the fabric of the piece (even people who admire Res Dogs, some of them think the ear cutting went too far). It's like printing a book that plays some music on turning to p103, it's not the normal course of the artform

- having said that... it's hard to say what things are absolutely and universally shocking... maybe it's just a continual process of desensitization, that makes most of us not much different from the psychotics who watch snuff films. The aesthetic similarity in those scenes from Res Dogs and King Lear (written 400 years apart) would suggest otherwise though

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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