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"PTP/Reviews is a beautiful place"


  

          

To commemorate my 10,000th post, I have a new type of post to make. I've learned more on this forum about films/TV then from anywhere else, including film classes. People like ricky, Ryan M, Mynoriti, DrNO, King_Friday, janey, ZooTown, kurlyswirl, Mr. Mech, and even the people I clown from time to time (jigga, araqual, and my good friend Cere) are some of the best teachers there are (I know I left people out of that).

So, for my 10,000th post, I'll tell you ANY of my opinions on ANYTHING film or TV-related. It's time for more education, and opinion and theory spreading is the way to do it.

Thanks to everyone here, where I've spent many of my 10,000 posts.

Let's keep on keepin on.

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seinfeld or curb?
Jun 02nd 2005
1
RE: seinfeld or curb?
Jun 02nd 2005
15
RE: Kicking & Screaming
Jun 02nd 2005
2
The ending was lame, but I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Jun 02nd 2005
16
I think i'm gonna cry (c) that big skinhead from Higher Learning
Jun 02nd 2005
3
It's pretty RUFF.
Jun 03rd 2005
21
      RE: It's pretty RUFF.
Jun 03rd 2005
25
           I HATED that papercut scene.
Jun 03rd 2005
29
                RE: Several scenes I hated in that movie.
Jun 03rd 2005
35
Aww, that is so sweet!
Jun 02nd 2005
4
Ay, yo Longo! You answered everyone's question but mine.
Jun 04th 2005
83
      OH SHIT! Okay, here we go.
Jun 04th 2005
86
           Thanks!
Jun 04th 2005
94
                RE: Thanks!
Jun 04th 2005
96
                     RE: Thanks!
Jun 04th 2005
104
why is Safe Men the funniest movie ever?
Jun 02nd 2005
5
RE: why is Safe Men the funniest movie ever?
Jun 03rd 2005
43
This place largely shaped my taste in movies
Jun 02nd 2005
6
Yup...
Jun 02nd 2005
8
I've been here for years
Jun 02nd 2005
7
hahahaha
Jun 03rd 2005
44
wheres my check bitch!
Jun 02nd 2005
9
Man alive, that's a tough question
Jun 02nd 2005
17
      no Monty Python?
Jun 03rd 2005
45
      AHHHHH fuck fuck fuck!!!! I don't own Flying Circus on DVD
Jun 03rd 2005
47
           I can't imagine what it would be like
Jun 03rd 2005
50
                It's a cold dark and scary place, Janey.
Jun 03rd 2005
52
                     dark is good
Jun 03rd 2005
57
                          That's why I live in Florida.
Jun 03rd 2005
58
                               Florida is the exception that proves the rule
Jun 03rd 2005
65
      thats right
Jun 04th 2005
106
very sweet, and I'm honored...but I want to hear more theory than...
Jun 02nd 2005
10
I'll need to see it first. But I really want to.
Jun 02nd 2005
18
Even though you're a Dukie, thanks.
Jun 02nd 2005
11
Do film majors even get Magnolia?? lol
Jun 02nd 2005
12
Here's what I HATE about Magnolia.
Jun 02nd 2005
19
reviews is a hell of a drug. n/m
Jun 02nd 2005
13
why does Fight Club suck?
Jun 02nd 2005
14
Here's my thoughts on Fight Club
Jun 03rd 2005
20
      RE: Here's my thoughts on Fight Club
Jun 03rd 2005
28
      Answering your questions and some of Longo's
Jun 03rd 2005
33
           RE: Answering your questions and some of Longo's
Jun 03rd 2005
42
           hallelujah
Jun 03rd 2005
46
                But you all say "you either accept it or you don't."
Jun 03rd 2005
48
                     I partly answered it in my reply
Jun 03rd 2005
54
      I never understood why people think it's violent or ugly
Jun 03rd 2005
53
           Do you mean schizophrenic? Narcoleptics fall asleep w/o warning.
Jun 03rd 2005
55
           that too
Jun 03rd 2005
56
           RE: I never understood why people think it's violent or ugly
Jun 03rd 2005
59
           RE:
Jun 03rd 2005
61
           it's not that I disliked the violence
Jun 03rd 2005
66
           guess what
Jun 03rd 2005
68
           Oh it's ON MOTHERFUCKER!!! Hahahahaha
Jun 03rd 2005
69
           lol on some below the belt shit
Jun 03rd 2005
70
                They're catchin feelings because people don't dig their favorite film
Jun 03rd 2005
75
           Psst... the concept of Project Mayhem is NOT supposed to be
Jun 04th 2005
77
                that doesn't make it any less
Jun 04th 2005
84
                     We're at an impasse, then, and you still didn't answer the question.
Jun 04th 2005
85
                          What's the point of watching a crazy guy make flawed plans then?
Jun 04th 2005
87
                          you don't.
Jun 04th 2005
91
                               He doesn't have a disease, and his plans aren't oh-so-rebellious
Jun 04th 2005
95
                                    pissing match
Jun 04th 2005
99
                                         More or less...I didn't mean for this post to become one.
Jun 04th 2005
101
                                              no it's funny actually
Jun 04th 2005
102
                                                   bug? me?
Jun 04th 2005
103
                                                        Ha!
Jun 04th 2005
105
                          I'd like you to point out where I said it was supposed to be
Jun 04th 2005
90
                               see? argument over
Jun 04th 2005
92
                               dumbest scene ever
Jun 04th 2005
93
                               What's the opposite of 'weak' and 'lame?'
Jun 05th 2005
109
                                    lol
Jun 05th 2005
111
           Right on to everything you said.
Jun 04th 2005
76
Happy 10,000...now tell us
Jun 03rd 2005
22
HAHAHAHA NO
Jun 03rd 2005
23
      I don't think you understand that we live in a post 9/11 world...
Jun 03rd 2005
24
           The BAD color! Get it? GET IT?!?!?!?
Jun 03rd 2005
30
Congrats on your ability to type messages into a box
Jun 03rd 2005
26
Considering the embarrassing number of early Pacino films I need to see
Jun 03rd 2005
31
      *Looks for Dog Day Afternoon & Carlito's Way*
Jun 03rd 2005
34
           *directs you to post #39*
Jun 04th 2005
78
your opinions of animation in the following contexts:
Jun 03rd 2005
27
I know I'm gonna fuck something simple up in this post.
Jun 03rd 2005
32
      "pre-television" includes Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, Popeye, etc.
Jun 03rd 2005
71
      Ahhh well I grew up on Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry.
Jun 03rd 2005
74
      that was really a great reply.
Jun 03rd 2005
72
           I mean, it was ALRIGHT. It's the best they've had.
Jun 03rd 2005
73
                yeah, the songs killed it for me to, but that shot of Moses slumping...
Jun 04th 2005
82
                     my favorite scene was the hyeroglyph dream...and then when
Jun 04th 2005
97
                          That scene was way dope
Jun 04th 2005
98
Dude....duuuuuuuude...
Jun 03rd 2005
36
RE: Dude....duuuuuuuude...
Jun 03rd 2005
37
It's Roy Cohn first of all, and second of all
Jun 03rd 2005
39
      I think you replied in the wrong place. n/m
Jun 03rd 2005
40
           I did.
Jun 03rd 2005
41
Scent of a Woman is a VERY GOOD movie.
Jun 03rd 2005
38
      If by "VERY GOOD" you mean "100% TURD LOAF"
Jun 03rd 2005
64
           I don't understand the hate for this movie. I truly honestly don't.
Jun 04th 2005
79
                I don't either, but I disagree with you here
Jun 04th 2005
80
                Ha, yeah, it was too late to edit.
Jun 04th 2005
88
                You talking about me or Mac?
Jun 05th 2005
110
Congrats man.
Jun 03rd 2005
49
God this is hard...some words on cinematography.
Jun 03rd 2005
51
      RE: God this is hard...some words on cinematography.
Jun 03rd 2005
60
      Hero's really pretty, but the movie bored me
Jun 03rd 2005
62
      Agreed 100%.
Jun 03rd 2005
63
      Road to Perdition would make Top 15 for sure, prolly Top 10
Jun 03rd 2005
67
      aside from maybe rushmore, i agree with all of those whole heartedly
Jun 14th 2005
116
      WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?
Jun 04th 2005
81
           YES YES YES, Sweet Smell of Success is one of my favorite films
Jun 04th 2005
89
PLAT!
Jun 04th 2005
100
u know i respect u Longo
Jun 04th 2005
107
We're takin the Super Bowl this year.
Jun 04th 2005
108
what will be the the next big thing in comedy?
Jun 05th 2005
112
A sort of deadpan farcical style that we see with Will Ferrell and the l...
Jun 05th 2005
114
But you can still never be a charter member Longo, HA HA HA!
Jun 05th 2005
113
ahahahahahahahahahaha FUCK YOU
Jun 14th 2005
115
thanks.
Jun 14th 2005
117

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1. "seinfeld or curb?"
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mean streets or taxi driver?
meet the parents or meet the fockers?
apocalypse now or platoon (or full metal jacket)?
who's ur favorite actress under 25? acting-wise and lookswise?

i dont know if i should congratulate u for 10000 posts or shake my head in disgust..fuck it. CONGRATS!

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Frank Longo
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15. "RE: seinfeld or curb?"
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Seinfeld.

>mean streets or taxi driver?

Not sure, never seen Mean Streets.

>meet the parents or meet the fockers?

Meet the Parents.

>apocalypse now or platoon (or full metal jacket)?

Apocalypse Now.

>who's ur favorite actress under 25? acting-wise and
>lookswise?

Actingwise: Not sure...Charlize Theron gave the best performance, is she under 25? I dunno, this requires research. I'll get back. Lookswise I really like Emmy Rossum, the chick from Phantom of the Opera. I like a girl with some pipes.

>
>i dont know if i should congratulate u for 10000 posts or
>shake my head in disgust..fuck it. CONGRATS!

Thank you much!

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2. "RE: Kicking & Screaming"
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I'm pretty sure it wasnt better than Seinfield but was it as good as you thought it was gonna be?

  

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16. "The ending was lame, but I enjoyed it thoroughly."
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Duvall and Ditka gave VERY good performances in my opinion.

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3. "I think i'm gonna cry (c) that big skinhead from Higher Learning"
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but yeah, i've learned a shitload about movies from this place also. and it's probably the only place where I can stomach being around other film geeks (probably because I don't have to look at any of you)

anyway thanks for the shot out.

>So, for my 10,000th post, I'll tell you ANY of my opinions on
>ANYTHING film or TV-related. It's time for more education, and
>opinion and theory spreading is the way to do it.

since i'm watching it right now. the phone call scene in Swingers = the single most painful scene in cinema history. agree or disagree?

  

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21. "It's pretty RUFF."
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But I can think of other scenes that are also really painful. Recently in Sideways, where the ex-wife tells Miles she's pregnant. *HUGE BLOW TO THE NADS*

I might think of more later.

Did you mean painful in terms of love-related emotion, or any type of emotion?

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25. "RE: It's pretty RUFF."
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>But I can think of other scenes that are also really painful.
>Recently in Sideways, where the ex-wife tells Miles she's
>pregnant. *HUGE BLOW TO THE NADS*

yeah, I'm not the biggest Sideways fan but that was really rough (and possibly the only part of the movie that really got to me). Giamatti deserved an Oscar nod for that scene alone.

>Did you mean painful in terms of love-related emotion, or any
>type of emotion?

not necessarily emotional impact...eh, I was just thinking out loud because it was on TV when I was posting. still, I've probably seen Swingers 40 times and watching and that scene doesn't make me cringe any less than it did the first time I saw it. I don't think there's a man out there that can't somehow relate to that scene. we've all made fools of ourselves like that at some point (sure not as bad as Mikey did but still..). shit was like watching the guy on jackass give himself papercuts.

  

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29. "I HATED that papercut scene."
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I enjoyed Jackass: The Movie on a very base level, but I closed my eyes during that scene.

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35. "RE: Several scenes I hated in that movie."
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2 of them being yellow snow & micro machines.

  

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4. "Aww, that is so sweet!"
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*wipes tear* ;-)

Okay, I have a question for ya:

You're really into theatre, right? Name 5 of your favorite non-musical plays and tell me a little bit about what they're about.

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83. "Ay, yo Longo! You answered everyone's question but mine."
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'sup with that? lol

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86. "OH SHIT! Okay, here we go."
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1. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? The best deteriorating relationship drama in an artform that is filled to the brim with this topic. Bar none Ed Albee's best play. The dialogue is electrifying.

2. The Odd Couple. Neil Simon, the great playwright of our time, and his best play. I absolutely love Neil Simon, and I own all of his collected editions, but no characters are more memorable than Felix and Oscar.

3. King Lear. The Shakespearean tragedy with the most touching moments, the best evil women, and some of the best dialogue he ever wrote.

4. Twelfth Night. I'm so shamelessly biased since I was in this, but this is my favorite Shakespearean comedy. The romance is at its most beautiful, the characters are wonderful drawn out, the humor is fall-down funny, and the suspense stays high even when the ending is inevitable.

5. The Tempest. This probably wouldn't make my list normally, but I read it a few months ago again and it really stuck with me. It literally has in my opinion the most beautiful, delicately worded passages Shakespeare ever wrote (is my biased love of Shakespeare clear? haha), and being the last play he wrote by himself, you can tell he wrote it as a swan song. There's an appreciation for art and nature that hits a high never matched in his previous plays, and a feeling of slight sadness when the play is over, because you and Shakespeare both know it's the end of his career.

If you wanted all contemporary non-musical plays, I'd put something by David Mamet in there, and probably a Chris Durang and another Neil Simon.

Sorry about the delay!!

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94. "Thanks!"
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Sat Jun-04-05 01:44 PM by kurlyswirl

  

          

These all sound great.


>5. The Tempest. This probably wouldn't make my list normally,
>but I read it a few months ago again and it really stuck with
>me. It literally has in my opinion the most beautiful,
>delicately worded passages Shakespeare ever wrote (is my
>biased love of Shakespeare clear? haha), and being the last
>play he wrote by himself, you can tell he wrote it as a swan
>song. There's an appreciation for art and nature that hits a
>high never matched in his previous plays, and a feeling of
>slight sadness when the play is over, because you and
>Shakespeare both know it's the end of his career.

Ah, The Tempest. I'd really like to see this. I'm reading a book for an Anthropology class and The Tempest is referenced in relation to black-white relations in Virginia in the early 1600's.


>Sorry about the delay!! :)

It's all good. :-) Again, thanks for the recommendations!


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96. "RE: Thanks!"
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>Ah, The Tempest. I'd really like to see this. I'm reading a
>book for an Anthropology class and The Tempest is referenced
>in relation to black-white relations in Virginia in the early
>1600's.

Have you read it yet? That's a great choice for your class, they'll be focusing entirely on Caliban in all likelihood. I studied this play for about two weeks this year, including some of what you're talking about. If you have any further questions, I can certainly point you in a right direction for further research et cetera.

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104. "RE: Thanks!"
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>
>>Ah, The Tempest. I'd really like to see this. I'm reading a
>>book for an Anthropology class and The Tempest is referenced
>>in relation to black-white relations in Virginia in the
>early
>>1600's.
>
>Have you read it yet? That's a great choice for your class,
>they'll be focusing entirely on Caliban in all likelihood.

The Tempest? No. But if you meant the book for the class, yes. And it it did focus on Caliban a lot. It's called A Different Mirror by Ronald Takaki, btw.

I
>studied this play for about two weeks this year, including
>some of what you're talking about. If you have any further
>questions, I can certainly point you in a right direction for
>further research et cetera.

Okay, thanks. :-) I've already taken the exam over this book, but if I ever have to write a paper on this subject in the future, I'll hit you up.


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5. "why is Safe Men the funniest movie ever?"
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43. "RE: why is Safe Men the funniest movie ever?"
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It's all about the stache bro

  

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6. "This place largely shaped my taste in movies"
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And you've all also caused me to spend too much money on DVDs. YOU FUCKERS!

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8. "Yup..."
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This place has profoundly influenced my taste in films. There are so many I would never have seen or even heard of if not for here. And I doubt I would've sought out SIFF if not for my girl janey.

It's nice to be able to discuss films with mostly cool, down-to-earth people. I overhear people engaged in film discussions at SIFF and want to strangle a bunch of them...or puncture my eardrums. lol

Y'all rock! :-)

>And you've all also caused me to spend too much money on
>DVDs. YOU FUCKERS!

Haha...yeah, that too!


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7. "I've been here for years"
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and it'll take me till 2006 to hit 5 figures.


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44. "hahahaha"
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>and it'll take me till 2006 to hit 5 figures.
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>
>nerd.


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9. "wheres my check bitch!"
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anyways. In your opinion what's the best sketch comedy show in the history of TV?

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17. "Man alive, that's a tough question"
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I'll narrow it to 4.

In no order.

SNL
Chappelle's Show
SCTV
Kids in the Hall

Odds are strong I'm forgetting something. But it's all good. Those are the four I think of immediately when it comes to sketch comedy greatness.

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45. "no Monty Python?"
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wow

  

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47. "AHHHHH fuck fuck fuck!!!! I don't own Flying Circus on DVD"
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and it rarely comes on television so I forgot it. I haven't seen any Flying Circus in over a year and a half.

FUCK!

That'd round out my top 5 then.

I'm a jackass.

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50. "I can't imagine what it would be like"
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to grow up without Flying Circus on Sunday nights.

  

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52. "It's a cold dark and scary place, Janey."
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57. "dark is good"
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scary is good
cold is bad

  

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58. "That's why I live in Florida."
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65. "Florida is the exception that proves the rule"
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where scary = bad

  

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106. "thats right"
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canada owns the genre. Or at least we did once.

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10. "very sweet, and I'm honored...but I want to hear more theory than..."
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...opinions. Splitting hairs? Maybe. But, I love to talk about technique and execution, why one thing works, why another thing doesn't or why one thing works better than another.

So tell me, what does work, and why, in XXX 2?

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18. "I'll need to see it first. But I really want to."
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I'd be pleased to break that down in many other action movies if you want.

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11. "Even though you're a Dukie, thanks."
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Those words mean a lot, money.

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12. "Do film majors even get Magnolia?? lol"
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19. "Here's what I HATE about Magnolia."
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When you see the beginning, you see a complex chain of events tying together, forming into a huge coincidence. HOWEVER, these events are all tightly knit together, and every single element in these chain of events (each link, if you will) ties into the conclusion, the shocking coincidence.

THEN, at the end of this movie, it's not that tight, and it's advertised at the beginning as being the daddio of ALL coincidences. And it's just a bunch of people, some of whom are attached in some way, in the same city when it rains frogs. How is this NEARLY as tightly knit as the other coincidences?

It isn't.

As much as I LOVE a lot of the writing and acting in that film, it doesn't work as a whole because the intro does a great job setting up a HUGE coincidence that never materializes. And it takes a long time to get to this nowhere point.

That's my thoughts. And I'm a BIG PTA fan.

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13. "reviews is a hell of a drug. n/m"
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14. "why does Fight Club suck?"
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and I want details besides "the ending was wack"

you missed my archived post where everyone else dissed it

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20. "Here's my thoughts on Fight Club"
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I understand what Fight Club is supposed to be (unlike Donnie Darko, where the movie itself doesn't even know what it's supposed to be). I understand the satire on consumerism, and I don't see how anyone couldn't, because it's SHOVED so frantically into the viewer's face.

This shoving is the main thing I disliked about the movie BEFORE the surprise ending (which I also understand and I'll get to in a second). It gives us no room to breathe, and I don't just mean with the fighting where that can be a plus. I mean with the satire, with the commentary, with everything. I believe it was King_Friday who called the film "ugly" and I'm inclined to agree. I can be cynical too, but this movie basically shoves a swinging watch in your face and says "You are getting depressed nooooow! Life sucks! You are controlled by consumerism with nothing you can do! Woe is yoooou!"

Also, I've never really liked Fincher's work. None of it. Except maybe The Game, which is kind of fun. He just tries so desperately to be dark and cynical with his stylized cinematography moving through computer-generated vessels into the next scene (didn't he go through like a tea kettle in Panic Room or some shit? I was like, "Motherfucker show me the next scene!!"), or to shock us with grotesque imagery of close-up lingering shots on violence. He's like the cynical version of Mel Gibson or some shit, cuz he looooooves suffering.

Not that I hate all movies about suffering, but he thrives in discomfort, and he makes us as uncomfortable with his violence as he does with the startling lack of subtlety to his messages. All points he makes are lingered on to the point where it's almost as shocking as the violence. Show me something where I can draw a conclusion, where I can use my imagination, capture me, entice me. Don't cram overdoses in my face. It's the ugliest way to make a viewer watch, and the ugliest way to get your point across.

And yes, Fight Club could be about the ugliness, blah blah blah. I find all of Fight Club's MAYHEM very lame and timid. I could give two shits about the mayhem he's causing, because I don't believe it. By the time you find out he's two different people, you REALLY don't believe it. And upon multiple viewings, you sit and think, "You mean not ONE person on that airplane would come up and say, 'Who the fuck are you talking to?'" There's loads of that throughout the movie, but that's upon multiple viewings, and for me, the first was bad enough.

It's an ugly, trying-to-depress-cuz-it's-hip-to-be-a-cynic film that forcefeeds meaning and shoves violence in your face until you can't bear to watch. The violence is so large that it undermines any satire Fincher wants, but that's all right because Fincher's in-your-face delivery of his satire has already undermined itself. Its story feels forced, its violence is unnecessary, Brad Pitt is NOT a good actor, and the ending is merely the cherry on a gorgeous sundae of shit.

That's my feelings.

You can bring up specific scenes to counter me if you want, and you could be right disproving a lot of my stuff, because I haven't seen the film in a year or so. But these are my thoughts to this date regarding multiple viewings I've had of Fight Club.

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28. "RE: Here's my thoughts on Fight Club"
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It gives us no room to breathe, and I
>don't just mean with the fighting where that can be a plus.

The fighting was the thing I disliked most about the movie. I still dont see what point was trying 2 be made or what they were trying 2 accomplish by beating the shit outta each other.

I
>mean with the satire, with the commentary, with everything. I
>believe it was King_Friday who called the film "ugly" and I'm
>inclined to agree. I can be cynical too, but this movie
>basically shoves a swinging watch in your face and says "You
>are getting depressed nooooow! Life sucks! You are controlled
>by consumerism with nothing you can do! Woe is yoooou!"

Not that the movie is as deep as some make it out 2 be but I actually enjoyed the message of not concerning yourself w/ materialistic shit. Of course there's a fundamental problem w/ the assumption that beating the shit outta cohorts is a proper substitute.

>And yes, Fight Club could be about the ugliness, blah blah
>blah. I find all of Fight Club's MAYHEM very lame and timid. I
>could give two shits about the mayhem he's causing, because I
>don't believe it. By the time you find out he's two different
>people, you REALLY don't believe it.

U mean the same person right? But as far as believability...it totally worked 4 me upon multiple viewings.

And upon multiple
>viewings, you sit and think, "You mean not ONE person on that
>airplane would come up and say, 'Who the fuck are you talking
>to?'" There's loads of that throughout the movie, but that's
>upon multiple viewings, and for me, the first was bad enough.

If you look @ it that way then of course it doesnt make sense. I looked @ it from the viewpoint that all of this was going inside his head. But even if I look @ it from your viewpoint I think back & realize I've seen "crazy" people talkin 2 themselves before, & around a large group of people. I've found that its pretty standard 2 just carry on & let em do their thang. I mean you're obviously thinking that they gotta few screws loose so do you really want their explanation?

There's a point near the end of the movie where Pitt is explaning 2 Norton how it all works. The fact that everyone has some sort of split personality as we have all talked 2 ourselves before. Norton just had the "courage" (I think that's the word he used) 2 run away w/ it & carry it a little farther than the average mind. He also explains that since he's just starting 2 get used 2 it, he still gets confused at times & sees Pitt as himself instead of really just being him. I know it doesnt make perfect sense but keep in mind we are talking about schizophrenia as well as narcolepsy. There's a ton of variables 2 keep in mind when trying 2 make sense out of it.

>It's an ugly, trying-to-depress-cuz-it's-hip-to-be-a-cynic
>film that forcefeeds meaning and shoves violence in your face
>until you can't bear to watch. The violence is so large that
>it undermines any satire Fincher wants, but that's all right
>because Fincher's in-your-face delivery of his satire has
>already undermined itself.Its story feels forced,

Is this Fincher or the book itself? Honestly I dont know.

its
>violence is unnecessary,

My only gripe

Brad Pitt is NOT a good actor

I thought he was good in this. He's been good in other films as well but I'm not liking him 2 much anymore after Mr. & Mrs. Smith. I'm starting 2 notice this little freak out quirk thing that he did Fight Club when Norton shoots @ him in front of the van, & does repeatedly in Smith that comes off really corny.

  

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33. "Answering your questions and some of Longo's"
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>The fighting was the thing I disliked most about the movie. I
>still dont see what point was trying 2 be made or what they
>were trying 2 accomplish by beating the shit outta each
>other.

The point was that man had been stripped of his man-ness by his obsession with material goods and in essence, emasculated by materialism. Fight Club was a way of reclaiming that manhood, getting back to the primal essence of man.

>Not that the movie is as deep as some make it out 2 be but I
>actually enjoyed the message of not concerning yourself w/
>materialistic shit. Of course there's a fundamental problem w/
>the assumption that beating the shit outta cohorts is a proper
>substitute.

The idea was that Fight Club, by allowing men to get back to their primal being, made life worth living again, as opposed to the lifelessness they had with their mindless, droning jobs and IKEA catalogs.

>>And yes, Fight Club could be about the ugliness, blah blah
>>blah. I find all of Fight Club's MAYHEM very lame and timid.
>I
>>could give two shits about the mayhem he's causing, because
>I
>>don't believe it. By the time you find out he's two
>different
>>people, you REALLY don't believe it.
>
>U mean the same person right? But as far as believability...it
>totally worked 4 me upon multiple viewings.

It worked for me as well. In fact, I've always argued that Fight Club works better if you look at it as the ultimate absurdist satire. It's a Charlie Kaufman movie before we even knew what a Charlie Kaufman movie was. The mayhem is *supposed* to be absurd. You're working with an idea which is the definition of absurd at its core (hey, all of us dudes have no balls left, so let's get 'em back by beating the shit outta each other!) It's a conceit that you either buy or you don't. Then, if that wasn't enough, you add onto it the idea that this is all in this unhinged guy's head, and you realize that's the only way something like this could work. Of course the mayhem is lame and timid, it's all sprung from this nutball's mind.

I've always though that the film is not one that's meant for straightfoward, "logical" viewing, where you follow the plot and want to find out what happens in the end. It's a Charlie Kaufman head piece but much, much darker. And from what I understand, it's very close in tone to the book.

>And upon multiple
>>viewings, you sit and think, "You mean not ONE person on
>that
>>airplane would come up and say, 'Who the fuck are you
>talking
>>to?'" There's loads of that throughout the movie, but that's
>>upon multiple viewings, and for me, the first was bad
>enough.
>
>If you look @ it that way then of course it doesnt make sense.
>I looked @ it from the viewpoint that all of this was going
>inside his head.

Yep. There's a reason why the movie starts with this ultra-aggressive tracking shot through a brain, and there's a reason why the song over the end credits is called "Where Is My Mind."

>There's a point near the end of the movie where Pitt is
>explaning 2 Norton how it all works. The fact that everyone
>has some sort of split personality as we have all talked 2
>ourselves before. Norton just had the "courage" (I think
>that's the word he used) 2 run away w/ it & carry it a little
>farther than the average mind. He also explains that since
>he's just starting 2 get used 2 it, he still gets confused at
>times & sees Pitt as himself instead of really just being him.
>I know it doesnt make perfect sense but keep in mind we are
>talking about schizophrenia as well as narcolepsy. There's a
>ton of variables 2 keep in mind when trying 2 make sense out
>of it.

Yep.

>>It's an ugly, trying-to-depress-cuz-it's-hip-to-be-a-cynic
>>film that forcefeeds meaning and shoves violence in your
>face
>>until you can't bear to watch. The violence is so large that
>>it undermines any satire Fincher wants, but that's all right
>>because Fincher's in-your-face delivery of his satire has
>>already undermined itself.Its story feels forced,

The movie is *supposed* to be aggressive, violent and in-your-face. It's turning and twisting all of those ideals of masculinity to the point of absurdity. We can debate the merits of the "plot" and the "bullshit third act twist" all day, but the essence of the movie is that it's all inside this deranged man's head, so therefore any analysis of the film's "logic" is ultimately pointless.

>Is this Fincher or the book itself? Honestly I dont know.

I understand that the book is far worse. In fact, if one looks at Chuck Palaniuk's body of work (I read somewhere that his latest book tells the story of a group of writers who are in the woods on a retreat and ultimately resort to cannibalism not to survive, but just for the hell of it), I'd say this movie is comparatively tame.

>Brad Pitt is NOT a good actor
>
>I thought he was good in this. He's been good in other films
>as well but I'm not liking him 2 much anymore after Mr. & Mrs.
>Smith. I'm starting 2 notice this little freak out quirk thing
>that he did Fight Club when Norton shoots @ him in front of
>the van, & does repeatedly in Smith that comes off really
>corny.

Brad Pitt is a good actor when given something good to do. Fincher has twice given him good roles (this and Seven), and I thought he was fine in Oceans Eleven and Twelve but it's obvious he can't do serious drama. He should stop doing drama altogether and think about doing broad comedy.
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42. "RE: Answering your questions and some of Longo's"
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>>The fighting was the thing I disliked most about the movie.
>I
>>still dont see what point was trying 2 be made or what they
>>were trying 2 accomplish by beating the shit outta each
>>other.
>
>The point was that man had been stripped of his man-ness by
>his obsession with material goods and in essence, emasculated
>by materialism. Fight Club was a way of reclaiming that
>manhood, getting back to the primal essence of man.

Oh yeah that's right. Back 2 the caveman days.

>>Not that the movie is as deep as some make it out 2 be but I
>>actually enjoyed the message of not concerning yourself w/
>>materialistic shit. Of course there's a fundamental problem
>w/
>>the assumption that beating the shit outta cohorts is a
>proper
>>substitute.
>
>The idea was that Fight Club, by allowing men to get back to
>their primal being, made life worth living again, as opposed
>to the lifelessness they had with their mindless, droning jobs
>and IKEA catalogs.

Guess that makes sense now as well. Hence the controversy surrounding the flick when it came out.

>>>And yes, Fight Club could be about the ugliness, blah blah
>>>blah. I find all of Fight Club's MAYHEM very lame and
>timid.
>>I
>>>could give two shits about the mayhem he's causing, because
>>I
>>>don't believe it. By the time you find out he's two
>>different
>>>people, you REALLY don't believe it.
>>
>>U mean the same person right? But as far as
>believability...it
>>totally worked 4 me upon multiple viewings.
>
>It worked for me as well. In fact, I've always argued that
>Fight Club works better if you look at it as the ultimate
>absurdist satire. It's a Charlie Kaufman movie before we even
>knew what a Charlie Kaufman movie was.

Pretty much

The mayhem is
>*supposed* to be absurd. You're working with an idea which is
>the definition of absurd at its core (hey, all of us dudes
>have no balls left, so let's get 'em back by beating the shit
>outta each other!) It's a conceit that you either buy or you
>don't.

Hence the love vs. hate reaction it gets. And not just on these boards.

>The movie is *supposed* to be aggressive, violent and
>in-your-face. It's turning and twisting all of those ideals
>of masculinity to the point of absurdity. We can debate the
>merits of the "plot" and the "bullshit third act twist" all
>day, but the essence of the movie is that it's all inside this
>deranged man's head, so therefore any analysis of the film's
>"logic" is ultimately pointless.

Indeed.

>>Is this Fincher or the book itself? Honestly I dont know.
>
>I understand that the book is far worse. In fact, if one
>looks at Chuck Palaniuk's body of work (I read somewhere that
>his latest book tells the story of a group of writers who are
>in the woods on a retreat and ultimately resort to cannibalism
>not to survive, but just for the hell of it), I'd say this
>movie is comparatively tame.

Uh yeah. Almost anything is gonna seem pretty tame compared 2 cannibalism 4 the helluva it. Jeez!

>>Brad Pitt is NOT a good actor
>>
>>I thought he was good in this. He's been good in other films
>>as well but I'm not liking him 2 much anymore after Mr. &
>Mrs.
>>Smith. I'm starting 2 notice this little freak out quirk
>thing
>>that he did Fight Club when Norton shoots @ him in front of
>>the van, & does repeatedly in Smith that comes off really
>>corny.
>
>Brad Pitt is a good actor when given something good to do.
>Fincher has twice given him good roles (this and Seven), and I
>thought he was fine in Oceans Eleven and Twelve but it's
>obvious he can't do serious drama. He should stop doing drama
>altogether and think about doing broad comedy.

And Mr. & Mrs. Smith would've worked much better as a straight up action/comedy flick. There's times when it tries to get serious w/ them really questioning their love for each other & it just doesnt work when seconds earlier they're trying 2 kill each other.

  

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>Fight Club was a way of reclaiming that
>manhood, getting back to the primal essence of man.

EXACTLY

>The idea was that Fight Club, by allowing men to get back to
>their primal being, made life worth living again, as opposed
>to the lifelessness they had with their mindless, droning jobs
>and IKEA catalogs.

EXACTLY

>It worked for me as well. In fact, I've always argued that
>Fight Club works better if you look at it as the ultimate
>absurdist satire. It's a Charlie Kaufman movie before we even
>knew what a Charlie Kaufman movie was. The mayhem is
>*supposed* to be absurd. You're working with an idea which is
>the definition of absurd at its core (hey, all of us dudes
>have no balls left, so let's get 'em back by beating the shit
>outta each other!) It's a conceit that you either buy or you
>don't. Then, if that wasn't enough, you add onto it the idea
>that this is all in this unhinged guy's head, and you realize
>that's the only way something like this could work. Of course
>the mayhem is lame and timid, it's all sprung from this
>nutball's mind.

agreed, you either accept or not

the insomnia was a great touch tough - when you can't sleep for days at a time you don't know WHAT the fuck you're doing

>Yep. There's a reason why the movie starts with this
>ultra-aggressive tracking shot through a brain, and there's a
>reason why the song over the end credits is called "Where Is
>My Mind."

right, people took it too literal

sometimes he was talking to himself, sometimes he imagined himself watching Tyler talk, etc. etc.

>The movie is *supposed* to be aggressive, violent and
>in-your-face. It's turning and twisting all of those ideals
>of masculinity to the point of absurdity. We can debate the
>merits of the "plot" and the "bullshit third act twist" all
>day, but the essence of the movie is that it's all inside this
>deranged man's head, so therefore any analysis of the film's
>"logic" is ultimately pointless.

the funny thing is, the violence wasn't even that much of a drawing point for me back then or now

it's not THAT violent really

even Fincher asks, "how many people died in Fight Club besides Bob? we had a couple guys get beat up"

>Brad Pitt is a good actor when given something good to do.
>Fincher has twice given him good roles (this and Seven), and I
>thought he was fine in Oceans Eleven and Twelve but it's
>obvious he can't do serious drama. He should stop doing drama
>altogether and think about doing broad comedy.

never really had a problem with Brad Pitt, because his job here was to be cooler than Ed Norton

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48. "But you all say "you either accept it or you don't.""
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Do you at least understand from the naysayers how if you don't accept it then the movie as a whole plain and simple does not work?

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54. "I partly answered it in my reply"
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I'm saying you have to be willing to accept the possibilites behind Norton's narcolepsy and general craziness for anything else to work

people concerned with the A to B to C format are never going to budge

but that doesn't change the fact that I find the movie hardly representative of the words "ugly" and "violent"

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53. "I never understood why people think it's violent or ugly"
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the movie is hilarious to me

I mean, Edward Norton's character is symbolic of many men his age - working the office job they have no emotional attachment to, the consumerism, etc.

"working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need"

that whole speech is in direct contrast with the one given at the testicular cancer group - now *that* place was sad and ugly

a bunch of "men" past their primes, left by their families and emasculated to the point where they literally did not have their balls anymore

it touched on other things too, like family and spirituality

"we're a generation of men raised by women - I'm wondering if another woman is the answer we really need"

"Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers failed, what does that tell us about God?"

spirituality wasn't an answer for them either and the father/God dynamic is an interesting one...if their fathers eventually left them, when will God?

besides, they admitted the fighting was pointless in a sense

"nothing was ever solved, but nothing mattered either"

it was an artistic way for the characters to reclaim their masculinity; resorting to methods embraced by their ancestors (who embodied such manhood)

"After fight club, everything else in your life gets the volume turned down. You can deal with anything."

I think a lot of people who called it ugly were in truth scared because they thought it might convince the audience to actually behave in this way

not in the least

I mean the whole thing was predicated on a narcolyptic's dual personalities

nobody with in their right mind would try and emulate the movie, but it did speak to everyone in that same situation and like movies do, let imagination run free for two hours

and in that respect it was a classic work of entertainment and satire

*btw, about the dual personality thing:

firstly, you have to accept the fact Edward Norton's character is insane

the narcolepsy is what makes it work in real-time

him fighting himself in front of his boss, the car conversation where the passengers are wondering why the fuck is he talking to himself, Marla - all those little touches helped

but people still get too hung up on the details

it's his imaginary persona for crying out loud! it can do whatever the fuck you want it to do, that's why it's imaginary!

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55. "Do you mean schizophrenic? Narcoleptics fall asleep w/o warning."
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56. "that too"
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but Norton did fall asleep without warning

"Had I been going to bed earlier every night? Have I been sleeping later? Has I've been Tyler longer and longer?"

that's when Tyler became more than his buddy and started running things on his own terms (the credit card destruction)

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59. "RE: I never understood why people think it's violent or ugly"
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>nobody with in their right mind would try and emulate the
>movie, but it did speak to everyone in that same situation and
>like movies do, let imagination run free for two hours
>
>and in that respect it was a classic work of entertainment and
>satire

True. It ceratinly spoke 2 me in certain ways but it wasnt like I was eager 2 start fight clubs myself as a way of acheiving nirvana or something.

But ya gotta admit it is a pretty violent & ugly movie. I mean Jared Leto's character gets str8 pummeled. The scars on the hands are nasty. The lipo suction fat spillin out the bags is nasty. Bob's gunshot wound 2 the head. Norton's gunshot wound in his mouth. Pitt bleeding all over the guy who just beat the shit outta him. And that shack they were livin in? I cant argue w/ anyone who finds it ugly & violent for those reasons alone.

the car
>conversation where the passengers are wondering why the fuck
>is he talking to himself,

I know the scene you're talking about but I dont recall the other passengers wondering why he's talking to himself. Same scene where Pitt tells him 2 let go of the wheel & they crash right?

Marla - all those little touches
>helped

She was the key. Especially the breast exam. And Norton asking her why she's still hangin around right after she screwed him. The other nice little touch is when Norton & Pitt pass each other on that walkway in the airport I believe. He says something (that I cant recall right now) but it pretty much gives it away that they're the same person. Of course I never picked up on it until I saw it a 2nd time.

>but people still get too hung up on the details

It's sad really!...ok I'm over it. (c)Aesop Rock

  

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61. "RE:"
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>But ya gotta admit it is a pretty violent & ugly movie. I mean
>Jared Leto's character gets str8 pummeled. The scars on the
>hands are nasty. The lipo suction fat spillin out the bags is
>nasty. Bob's gunshot wound 2 the head. Norton's gunshot wound
>in his mouth. Pitt bleeding all over the guy who just beat the
>shit outta him. And that shack they were livin in? I cant
>argue w/ anyone who finds it ugly & violent for those reasons
>alone.

maybe so, but none of that really got to me for some reason

Clockwork Orange, now that's an ugly movie

>I know the scene you're talking about but I dont recall the
>other passengers wondering why he's talking to himself. Same
>scene where Pitt tells him 2 let go of the wheel & they crash
>right?

yeah, that's the scene

Norton asks Tyler about Project Mayhem

except when he asks Tyler "Why wasn't I told about Project Mayhem?"

the two guys in the back answer first, saying "sir, the first rule about Project Mayhem is that you do not talk about Project Mayhem"

and he tells them to shut the fuck up...they look at each other confused while he keeps asking Tyler the same question

>And Norton asking
>her why she's still hangin around right after she screwed him.

that shit was great

"what the fuck are you doing here? my house, why the fuck are you in my house?"

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66. "it's not that I disliked the violence"
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I just found the whole concept of Project Mayhem incredibly lame (satirical or not)

and hell, the first act of the movie as rather ugly and I think it's brilliant. but everytime I try and watch it, I completely lose interest as soon as Project Mayhem begins.

and I don't even want to start on the dual personality thing

  

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68. "guess what"
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The Apartment sucked!

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69. "Oh it's ON MOTHERFUCKER!!! Hahahahaha"
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70. "lol on some below the belt shit"
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sensitive ass fight club fans

  

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75. "They're catchin feelings because people don't dig their favorite film"
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:-P

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77. "Psst... the concept of Project Mayhem is NOT supposed to be"
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brilliant. Remember, it sprung from the mind of a schitzophrenic insomniac. How/why is it supposed to be so brilliant or impressive? It's *absurd* at is core because it comes from a deranged mind. It's *not supposed* to be clever, foolproof, or even "logical."
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84. "that doesn't make it any less"
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annoying or lame

  

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85. "We're at an impasse, then, and you still didn't answer the question."
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How/why is Project Mayhem supposed to be this spectacular idea when the very origin of the idea (a warped mind) is flawed in the first place?
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87. "What's the point of watching a crazy guy make flawed plans then?"
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If his character is annoying, his disease is annoying (and I still find unrealistic), and the plans he makes are lame and obvious, why do I want to watch this movie?

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91. "you don't."
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>why do I want to watch this movie?

you watch Miller's Crossing instead, a movie about an idiot of a main character and his equally retarded plans

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95. "He doesn't have a disease, and his plans aren't oh-so-rebellious"
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Ooh, how edgy! Project Mayhem! He'll go against the conformity of capitalism by blowing shit up! This will be so shocking in theatres!


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99. "pissing match"
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101. "More or less...I didn't mean for this post to become one."
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102. "no it's funny actually"
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I always like to bug Mynoriti about his bad taste, especially concerning Fight Club

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103. "bug? me?"
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but yeah, I rarely pass up an opportunity to shit on fight club, you know that. it's fun

and nobody has better taste than me

  

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That's debatable. You didn't like Huckabees, after all. ;-)

>and nobody has better taste than me


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90. "I'd like you to point out where I said it was supposed to be"
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and "the character is schizophrenic"/"it's supposed to be absurd" to me is nothing but a weak excuse to fill your movie with any old nonsensical bullshit (see: Ed Norton beating himself up). by that logic, you can put ANYTHING in the movie and it gets an automatic pass.

if it works for you that's great, but I don't see why is it so difficult to fathom why someone would find something like that just outright lame (regardless of intentions or context).

I GET the movie. it doesn't work for me lol.

  

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92. "see? argument over"
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>and "the character is schizophrenic"/"it's supposed to be
>absurd" to me is nothing but a weak excuse to fill your movie
>with any old nonsensical bullshit (see: Ed Norton beating
>himself up). by that logic, you can put ANYTHING in the movie
>and it gets an automatic pass.

I mean, if Ed Norton beating himself up and blackmailing his boss didn't appeal to you in some way, then it's simple

we're right and you're on crack

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93. "dumbest scene ever"
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so pass me that glass-dick

  

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109. "What's the opposite of 'weak' and 'lame?'"
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I'm not going to play the 'potato/potahto,' 'you specifically said in post #' game. And I didn't ask/care whether you "got" it or not.

Like I said, we're at an impasse, so I'm done.
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111. "lol"
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And I didn't ask/care whether you "got"
>it or not.

yet you felt the need to explain it to me anyway:

"Psst... the concept of Project Mayhem is NOT supposed to be"
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brilliant. Remember, it sprung from the mind of a schitzophrenic insomniac. How/why is it supposed to be so brilliant or impressive? It's *absurd* at is core because it comes from a deranged mind. It's *not supposed* to be clever, foolproof, or even "logical."

>Like I said, we're at an impasse, so I'm done.

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76. "Right on to everything you said."
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especially the point about Norton's character being insane. Again, that's one of the big conceits of the movie.
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Deep down, you kinda liked The Village, didn't you.

Say it. Sayyyyyyy it...

  

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23. "HAHAHAHA NO"
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Seriously, I liked Joaquin and Bryce. Even all of the ACTORS sucked, not just the story.

Here's what I liked about the film:
1. Those TWO performances.
2. The cinematography.
3. The score.

Here's what I didn't like about the film:
1. Everything else.

The story, the allegory, the majority of the acting, every single turn in the plot, and especially the dialogue. All of this was AWFUL. Not to mention the cheap "retard does something smart to prolong the plot" shtick. Ugh.

EASILY his worst movie. By FAR.

And Sigourney Weaver, who I LOVE, deserved a Razzie for Best Supporting Actress.

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24. "I don't think you understand that we live in a post 9/11 world..."
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Now think about that...now think about it some more.

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30. "The BAD color! Get it? GET IT?!?!?!?"
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26. "Congrats on your ability to type messages into a box"
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What are the 5 greatest Al Pacino performances of all time?

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31. "Considering the embarrassing number of early Pacino films I need to see"
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The Godfather
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34. "*Looks for Dog Day Afternoon & Carlito's Way*"
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*Doesn't see them*




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78. "*directs you to post #39*"
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27. "your opinions of animation in the following contexts:"
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* pre-television cartoon shorts

* 1960s/1970s TV shows

* modern-day TV shows

* Disney animated features

* other animated features

  

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32. "I know I'm gonna fuck something simple up in this post."
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You'll have to correct my innocent misunderstandings.

>* pre-television cartoon shorts
>

You mean like the early Mickey Mouse stuff? Betty Boop and all that? I must admit I'm not terribly familiar with the pre-Bugs Bunny era of animation. I HAVE seen some old experimental films that played around with stop-motion, but in terms of Mickey Mouse and other iconic cartoons of the era, I have next to no familiarity. If there's a Library of Congress website or something that has a bunch of these, I'd be more than willing to watch.

>* 1960s/1970s TV shows

Again, not 100% sure what encompasses this, but I was a big fan of the older cartoons I'd see on Cartoon Network as a kid (that kinda shows how young I am, I remember as a kid when Cartoon Network came on the air...Comedy Central too for that matter), like The Flintstones, The Jetsons, etc. I liked those because they were very much like sitcom situations, only due to the displacement from your traditional setting and due to the multitude of visual gags you can allow with animation, it elevated them to new levels (not saying that The Flintstones is better than The Honeymooners, but it's on a totally different plane). I loved those, and I watched those with my dad a lot. Also, I watched a lot of action/adventure shows, like Birdman, Space Ghost, The Herculoids, and some other ones that came in short doses. My favorite, and what has to be one of my favorite animated shows in any context in any time period is Jonny Quest. I LOVE Jonny Quest. The other action/adventure shows I watched (again, not sure if they fit the era you describe) were all amusing on a corny level, but Jonny Quest I always thought was fantastic. And as a guilty pleasure, I always watched Scooby Doo, so I'm a fan, though now in my older years it's MUCH easier to sit through episodes of Jonny Quest without getting bored than it is to watch Scooby Doo. Again, I hope I described shows in the era you mentioned, because I have no proper timeline.

>* modern-day TV shows

What I like about many modern-day TV shows is the fact that ever since South Park (and to a degree, this was realized first when The Simpsons came on the air), the dialogue has become more important than the level of sophistication of the animation. This stems of course from always starting with a lower budget, and The Simpsons and South Park both have increased the amount that they use spectactular visuals in their shows, but it's more important to keep the dialogue fresh and the characters interesting. Adult Swim has basically no shows with really great animation to watch (except Futurama), but they're all interesting shows. In terms of anime, I am 100% unfamiliar. I realize those shows have a lot of emphasis on the spectactular visual that the animation provides, but again, I watched VERY little anime, so I can't talk about it much really.

>* Disney animated features

I grew up on them. The Little Mermaid is the first Disney feature I remember seeing as a child, so I came in right on the good wave. I don't know if anyone can beat in my eyes (well, in 2-D animation anyhow) the string of Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King (which I do like, but the appreciation of which has also gone down as I get older). Four fantastic movies with great animation, great characters, and beautiful music and direction. Certain recent 2-D features I think are grossly underrated when it comes to how they should be viewed in the long run of Disney films (in PARTICULAR, Mulan), and you know that I'm a big fan of Hercules which no one else seems to like. The older Disney movies...I can appreciate them on the level of importance in cinematic history, and the wonderful storytelling, and the sheer detail in the animation, but I don't watch them as much as others, because the stories, while they capture the imagination, are more girl-oriented, so I never watched Snow White or Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty as much as I watched Peter Pan or 101 Dalmatians or something like that. Because I didn't really watch them as much as a kid, I don't hold as special a place in my heart for them. But I have seen them since, and I do appreciate them very much, and if I have a daughter one day, they will be the first movies I show her. But if I have a son, I'd bust out Peter Pan or Aladdin first.
>
>* other animated features

Dreamworks, with the exception of Antz, has NEVER impressed me with animation. I LOVE Antz, I dislike all of the other ones. People can love the Shrek movies now, but they are FAR from timeless, which is why I love the Pixar movies 10000000000000000000000x more. Shrek movies are ALREADY dated. Shrek 2 was dated before it came out, with its Livin La Vida Loca ending. Also, it seems like their animation is never near the level of sophistication that Pixar has. The ocean was amazing in Finding Nemo, I could've pet Sully in Monsters Inc., and The Incredibles is one of the first animated films I've seen where it feels like a live-action film. The direction, the animation, the character interaction, it's all flawless. I've loved most incidences where contemporary animated TV shows have made a movie. Beavis and Butthead Do America I thoroughly enjoy, and South Park: Bigger Longer and Uncut may be the best movie musical of the past 2 decades (and I say this as a HUGE musical theatre fan).

If you want me to expand on any ideas or answer more specific things, I'll do so to the best of my knowledge. I have a limited knowledge of how animation is made, so technical questions probably aren't really for me, but in terms of its use or the industry as a whole or specific features, I'd be glad to answer more.

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71. ""pre-television" includes Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry, Popeye, etc."
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I'm still reading the rest of the reply...

  

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74. "Ahhh well I grew up on Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry."
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They are all beautifully done in my opinion. The "Kill the Wabbit" episode ("Rabbit of Seville" I think it's called) was always my favorite. Bugs massaging Elmer's head with all 4 feet is such a wonderfully funny and inspired image.

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72. "that was really a great reply."
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my only comment about DreamWorks: have you ever seen The Prince of Egypt? I rather enjoyed that film.

  

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73. "I mean, it was ALRIGHT. It's the best they've had."
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But it's a mere pimple on the ass of the better Disney films. And when you have a subject as phenomenally epic as the Book of Exodus, you really have to come INCREDIBLY strong. I liked a lot of it, but the songs in particular I wasn't very crazy about.

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82. "yeah, the songs killed it for me to, but that shot of Moses slumping..."
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...down that wall after bringing down one of the plagues was heart wrenching, very very well done.

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97. "my favorite scene was the hyeroglyph dream...and then when"
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they go back to regular animation, James Baxter (I think it was him, at least...looks like his drawing style) animated the best character animation shot in the whole film of Moses gasping after awakening....

  

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98. "That scene was way dope"
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But since that concept has been besmirched by Ice Age trying to use a similar technique. Poorly, I might add.

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36. "Dude....duuuuuuuude..."
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>To commemorate my 10,000th post, I have a new type of post to
>make. I've learned more on this forum about films/TV

I agree with you on the level of knowledge around here being more informative than even most film-related sites. It seems like since it became PTP and not Reviews it has become the most entertaining forum on here (for me anyway). The focused nature of exclusive movie and TV talk brings out the passionate film heads. (And apparently people are passing the popcorn around ye olde comic book shoppes quite a bit as wll). I think that same focused nature of the posting has allowed this forum to develop into a place where the film fans among us can all come to bicker backer and forther like they would in Sports about Kobe and AI, like they would in The Lesson about illmatic and Dilla, like they would in OKArtist about Black Thought's nuts or Talib Kweli's balls, like they would in Activist about evil white people or white people who are evil, and like they NEVER EVER do in GD because it is all friends and hugs and kissies and bunny rabbits and unicorns in there.

As I have become older and more mature I don't really argue sports and/or music with the old passion as much anymore but I still very much use films and TV shows as "litmus tests" to judge people. I do this with no compunction. Thats what I like so much about this particular forum, it seems a lot of people do the same exact thing.

For exmple...you posted THIS above:

The Godfather
The Godfather II
Scent of a Woman
The Insider
"Angels in America"

I haven't seen Angles In America, but if I understand correctly he plys RAY Cohn, right? Well, RAY was such absolute cock-sucker (in both the good and bad ways) that I'm sure Pacino was totally engrossing as the despicable RAY Cohn. Like I said, I haven't seen it so that can sty undisputed. The Godfather movies are interesting, even though obvious, choices and I have no problem with them being on the list. I may put II ahead of I but that's just because in Part I he didn't yet know Hymen Roth was really his father and he turns in one hell of an acting job at the end of 2 when Roth Vader cuts his hand off when they're fighting in Cloud City. Okay, so far we agree on Godfather I & II and Im not gonna have an opinion one way or another on AIA. So tht leaves us with Insider and SOAW. Okay, the Insider was...I dunno...it just, was. Nothing about Pacino in that movie was memorable to me. Nothing about the movie itself was really memorable with the exception of: Russell Crowe's albinish hairstyle and the ex-WKRP Station Manager Andy Travis sighting. (sadly...no Mrs. Carlson, though)

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37. "RE: Dude....duuuuuuuude..."
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like they NEVER EVER do in GD because it is all
>friends and hugs and kissies and bunny rabbits and unicorns in
>there.

Haha...word.



>I haven't seen Angles In America, but if I understand
>correctly he plys RAY Cohn, right? Well, RAY was such absolute
>cock-sucker (in both the good and bad ways) that I'm sure
>Pacino was totally engrossing as the despicable RAY Cohn.

Eh, he did his thing I guess, but it wasn't anything outstanding.

>YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUTTA
>YOUR ASS ON THAT SCENT OF A WOMAN CALL...HOOO-AHHHH)

I've never seen it all the way through. I always think of Elaine comparing The Soup Nazi to him: "Hooo-ahh! Hooo-ahh!" lol


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39. "It's Roy Cohn first of all, and second of all"
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I really really enjoyed his performance, more and more with repeat viewings. I haven't seen Serpico or Dog Day Afternoon so I can't put those up there, and I know they would be for many people. I just gave the 5 out of the movies I've seen.

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40. "I think you replied in the wrong place. n/m"
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41. "I did."
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Hahahaha.

You should DEFINITELY see Scent of a Woman.

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38. "Scent of a Woman is a VERY GOOD movie."
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People hate on it because (a) Martin Brest made a series of shitty movies after this, and (b) it cost Denzel the Oscar for Best Actor.

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64. "If by "VERY GOOD" you mean "100% TURD LOAF""
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then I agree, it is a VERY GOOD movie. A VERY VERY GOOD movie, even perhaps a VERY VERY GOOD GOOD movie. But if you mean "VERY GOOD" in the traditional sense, then I must take umbrage with your assessment sir. You're evaluation of Scent of A Woman is 84% turd loaf.

  

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79. "I don't understand the hate for this movie. I truly honestly don't."
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It's well-acted on all parts, including one of the best portrayals of blindness, not to mention disabled veterans, I've ever seen. The dialogue is fresh and never trite, not to mention filled to the brim with quotables. It's the only Marty Brest movie to not feel like it's 4 hours long, and its direction, while only so-so, doesn't set back the great performances and unbelievably great script.

Hell, even Chris O'Donnell wasn't bad in this film.

I've had a close friend of mine have his opinion of the film grow upon multiple viewings based on urgings from me, and he has grown to appreciate the film more than he did before. I really do think a lot of people saw Malcolm X (which of course is better than Scent of a Woman) and decried this one on some "They robbed Denzel!" shit. If it's not that, then I 100% am baffled by the hate for this film.

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80. "I don't either, but I disagree with you here"
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> It's the only Marty
>Brest movie to not feel like it's 4 hours long

Yeah, you must have missed Beverly Hills Cop and Midnight Run.

But yeah, damn good movie, if overlong by about 20 minutes.
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88. "Ha, yeah, it was too late to edit."
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But even those had pacing problems in certain scenes, and I LOVE both of those movies.

I meant to say it's the LAST Marty Brest movie that didn't feel four hours long.

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110. "You talking about me or Mac?"
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Cause my opinion of it has only gone up in that now I am revered (maybe? I guess) for my Pacino impression and that makes me smile thinking about that movie. Other than that I still think it is pretty weak.

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49. "Congrats man."
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(I think, hahahah).

Anyway, thanks for the kind words...I have learned so much from this forum it's ridiculous. It amazes me how much talent is in this community.

With that said, I'll ask you...

What are your top 5 films based on cinematography alone?

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51. "God this is hard...some words on cinematography."
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There are very few cinematographers who come immediately to mind as doing consistently great work over his entire career. The two I think of of the bat are Gordon Willis, Conrad L. Hall and Roger Deakins. All three contribute SO MUCH to the films that they make, ESPECIALLY Roger Deakins as of late, who makes his films works of art (that's why all the Coen Brothers films, even the not-so-good ones, still are redeemable).

Also, other directors insist on good cinematography, so all of their movies look beautiful. Robert Elswit's career as a whole doesn't impress me, but his work with Paul Thomas Anderson is amazing. Same goes for the collaborators of Quentin Tarantino. I love Wes Anderson collaborator Robert Yeoman and his use of slow motion in Anderson's films in particular. Vittorio Storaro did great work with Warren Beatty, Bertolucci, and my personal favorite of his, Apocalypse Now. And of course, Orson Welles still has some of my favorite visual moments in ANY cinema in his films.

To narrow it to five...I'll do my best. In no order.

1. Apocalypse Now.
2. Manhattan.
3. Boogie Nights.
4. The Third Man.
5. Citizen Kane.

These are totally impulsive, based on the guys I just thought about off the top of my head. You'll probably throw in some that make me want to shoot myself. But yeah.

NOTE: I could also make a list of films whose cinematography elevates the film, but they'd all belong to Stephen Burum and his work or Brian DePalma.

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60. "RE: God this is hard...some words on cinematography."
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You'll probably throw in some
>that make me want to shoot myself. But yeah.

Hero?

  

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62. "Hero's really pretty, but the movie bored me"
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63. "Agreed 100%."
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Although my top 5 would probably include:

1. Apocalypse Now
2. Citizen Kane
3. Road to Perdition
4. Fargo
5. Rushmore

Although aside from the top 3, the other 2 change a lot.

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67. "Road to Perdition would make Top 15 for sure, prolly Top 10"
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In terms of Roger Deakins cinematography, I'd actually toy with putting Big Lebowski. It's SO much better filmed than people give it credit for, it's possibly his best work.

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116. "aside from maybe rushmore, i agree with all of those whole heartedly"
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road to perdition could actually be my favourite film based solely on cinematography. its just a stunning visual accomplishment.

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81. "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?"
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No Sweet Smell of Success?!?!?!? No James Wong Howe?!?!? Duuuuuude...
Somthing tells me this was an honest mistake.

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89. "YES YES YES, Sweet Smell of Success is one of my favorite films"
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I would definitely have that in Top 10, and probably Top 5.

Man alive, I love that movie.

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100. "PLAT!"
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107. "u know i respect u Longo"
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havent met any other Jags fans on here... so i got your back, lol.

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108. "We're takin the Super Bowl this year."
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Bar none.

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bearfield
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112. "what will be the the next big thing in comedy?"
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irony is dead. satire is dying. that whole "let's gross the audience out since we can't seems to write any funny dialogue" phase seems to be going away (thank god)

so what's next? improv?

  

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Frank Longo
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114. "A sort of deadpan farcical style that we see with Will Ferrell and the l..."
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They're very sincere with their silliness. This is starting to work well (see: the large careers of Ferrell, Owen Wilson, Vince Vaughn et al.), and these films are cheap to make and gross a bundle. We will see much more of this until it bombs.

And irony's not dead. It's just not as funny anymore (see: VH1).

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113. "But you can still never be a charter member Longo, HA HA HA!"
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115. "ahahahahahahahahahaha FUCK YOU"
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Professor Calculus
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117. "thanks."
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that's a lot of posts. this is only like my 16th one. ha . . .

  

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