I WANT TO KNOW HOW DO SOME OF YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE DATING OUT OF THERE RACE

I don't see a problem with it. We're all human beings. On a genetic level, we're all the exact same. I mean, if you're looking for that "special someone", why limit yourself to one racial group. I mean the woman I end up marrying could be Black, White, Asian, Latin, or Arab. It doesn't matter to me as long as we can see eachother as people, not as skin colours.

Is not going to understand me and my culture.

And if that sorta thing is important, I must stay within my culture to find someone suitable.

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>Is not going to understand me
>and my culture.

Why not? unless you're some psychadelich monster from neptune, i think any human could understand you and maybe even your culture.. at least if you let them

But if you don't want to, fine!

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Culture and race are not inherently linked. I doubt you would have as much in common with someone of the same racefrom a different part of the world as you would with someone of a different race from your same country, area, city, etc. I don't understand how people can get all caught up in not dating out of their race, seems kind of naive and closed off to me.

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It's naive to think that love conquers all.

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People like to pretend it isn't but it is.

Funny how nobody's soulmate ever is the homeless person in the gutter. On a routine & regular basis people CHOOSE to allow people in, choose to accept certain behaviors & types & while rejecting others. If you choose someone outside of your ethnicity & culture then you're making a clear annoucement of what what you're priorities are & what's important to you.


you = speaking generally, of course

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....people create fantasies in their head as to who they'll fall in love with, they then fall in love with whomever fits that discription the closest.......as opposed to basing it on who the person truly is.

....what's especially funny is that people date the same person over and over again.....and most of those relationships fail.


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I understand some people have strong feelings about this topic but to identify somebody's idealogy to be directly related to the race of their spouse couldn't be further from the truth.

I'm black, went to an HBCU, and NEVER thought that I would even marry anybody that wasn't black. Well, I was wrong. In April I will be marrying a white female.

Now what does this say about my idealogy? Nothing. Should my views be less valuable than a black male who marries a black female or a white male that marries a white female and so on. No. That's the problem with society today, everybody is so caught up on apperance that they ignore happiness.


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So don't get it twisted, I know all about people making personal choices for their own "happiness". Its really quite simple though:

When you choose your mate, you decided that her being black was NOT a priority. If it were, she would be. What does that say about you? That you have decided that having a black mother raise your children is not important, that having a black woman by your side is not important, that making more black babies is not important..amongst other things.... I could go on.

Do what you want but don't act like your choices aren't saying something about what you value. If you valued a black woman in your life, as your mate, you would have one. Especially when we're outnumbering you guys in some places like 12 to 1. Question: do you think you'd be equally as able to "fall in love" with a 500 lb woman as this white girl?

I feel a need to step in for this man. I don't think he said to himself, "I don't care about black women and I also don't care about reprodusing the black race." It sounds more like he made a prioriry to fall in love by being open to somebody. I'm sure he does care about his black women and his black race. I think that's pretty low to try and turn someone into an uncle tom when they're just livin openminded and learning, unlike some other people on this board.

As I said, I have mixed siblings, I never claimed it made my parent an uncle Tom or Aunt Jemima.

BUT if you say you love Pepsi, why buy Coke. Its not science.

Your choices indicate what you want in your life. If he wanted a black woman, he would have one.

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a) people are not soft drinks
b) who's to say he picked her out of a lineup, based on color? who's to say that the two even started out with romantic intentions? i just think that in a lot of cases, it's just way too personal for any outsider to sit and make judgement calls. i understand that you're not trying to be offensive, but it's pretty presumptuous to tell *him* what's important to him.

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I didn't ask him to tell it...

I don't care how he picked her...he CHOSE to be with her. And that's my whole point. If he valued a black wife, he'd get a black wife. He's not marrying a crackhead so I'm assuming he CHOSE not to be with a crackhead. I doubt he's marrying a 500lb female either...obviously those chicks are out of the running.

See you pick who you want to be with & you pick what's important to you in a person & in a relationship. He can pick a white wife, his business but he shouldn't get mad when people look at his choices & draw obvious conclusions.

What if he chose to be with a "good" woman?

If he could choose to be with a white woman or a black woman, then why couldn't he just choose to be with a good woman?

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> That you have decided
>that .... that making more
>black babies is not important..

Actually that choice does not prevent you from having Black babies.

There's a lot more I would question about this post, but no time now.



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if we continue to follow the 1 drop rule then yes the product of these relationships are black. But this presents tons of problems intraracially besides the fact that the "mulatto" or mixed race person has historically been a buffer "class" btwn the rest of the black population & the white ruling class. Check the US - better yet check South Africa.

>if we continue to follow the
>1 drop rule then yes
>the product of these relationships
>are black.

So you think it might be perfectly reasonable for someone to say, for example, that Bob Marley wasn't Black?


> But this presents
>tons of problems intraracially

What are these "tons of problems" exactly?

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There is an agenda by many immediately biracial people to make them a seperate & distinct category from other black people - even though 85% of black americans have "racially mixed" roots.

Bob Marley was a person of mixed decent who choose to align himself socially, culturally, politically with the blackest among us. And make no mistake about it...that played a role in his choice of mate.

As for the tons of issues..well:

1) in a color struck, color caste world with white on the top of the totem pole - mixed race (as the intermediate btwn black & white) gets elevated to a higher status than nonmixed black. Not only within the white community but within the black.

2) Historically, black/white, black/whatever mixed people have served as a buffer or middle class - South Africa today being an example.

3) confusion as to what black is & means.

4) divided loyalties. Its hard to present a unified front when you're torn btwn 2 sides. Hence why many of these biracials want a seperate category...they don't want to pick a side (unlike Bob Marley, Malcolm X, Adam Clayton Powell, etc.)

>Bob Marley was a person of
>mixed decent who choose to
>align himself socially, culturally, politically
>with the blackest among us.

So are you saying Bob Marley wasn't black, or aren't you? And what criteria are you using? Is it based measuring the various percentages of someone's ancestry, or judging how they choose to align themselves culturally?

>As for the tons of issues..well:
>1) in a color struck, color
>caste world with white on
>the top of the totem
>pole - mixed race (as
>the intermediate btwn black &
>white) gets elevated to a
>higher status than nonmixed black.
>Not only within the white
>community but within the black.

Of course, but "mixed-race" children are not the CAUSE of this, they are VICTIMS of it. Non-mixed Blacks are placed at the bottom of this same totem pole, and are exposed to "tons of issues" from there too. Does this mean we should not have Black children? Does having more Black children make the problem worse? Of course not. And neither does having more mixed children.


>2) Historically, black/white, black/whatever mixed people
>have served as a buffer
>or middle class - South
>Africa today being an example.

Again, this proves nothing, except that that mixed people are equally affected by racial politics as everyone else. Having mixed children does not create or perpetuate this problem, any more than having Black children perpetuates white supremacy.

>3) confusion as to what black
>is & means.

Just because someone has a different definition of self than you (or I) does not mean they are confused. Besides, our entire system of racial classification is based on confusion, and has no basis in science or logic. So there can be no absolute truth here.

>4) divided loyalties. Its hard
>to present a unified front
>when you're torn btwn 2
>sides. Hence why many
>of these biracials want a
>seperate category...they don't want to
>pick a side (unlike Bob
>Marley, Malcolm X, Adam Clayton
>Powell, etc.)

The process of self-definition hardly so simplistic. There are far more than two sides for anyone to be torn between, regardless of their racial percentages. How much of a unified front are "non-mixed" Blacks presenting in America right now? Case closed.

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You held up Bob Marley as an individual that who's heritage is mixed..but is still considered black. That's why he's your example. You didn't call the name of certain black people, like an Alex Wek, for a reason.

Bob Marley is a man of African descent who aligned himself politically, socially, and culturally with the politics of nonmixed African people DESPITE being racially mixed. Similar to an Adam Clayton Powell, who could be seen as white, but aligned himself with blacks. We all know what black means & yeah the reason we're called that is because that blackness is manifested PHYSICALLY. If we looked like Britney Spears then we wouldn't be black.


An Alek Wek is more than likely not as racially mixed as Mariah Carey..what is the confusion? Clearly Alex Wek's black experience is very different than that of Mariah (who could claim NOT to be black). Of course blackness is about physical appearance despite the fact that racially mixed black people have been included in the category. Remember, the 1 drop rule was created to (and still is in effect) to help preserve white purity. It was not a choice on our parts & still isn't (though in my experience, black people generally accept anyone as black who declares themselves such).


Read what I say very carefully:

The product of mixed race relations in South African are a buffer class btwn the whites and nonmixed blacks. With the death of apartheid, much of this mixed race population is still working fevorishly to preserve their seperate status from "blacks" because that seperate status gives them a social, economic, and political position that is higher than nonmixed blacks and they don't want to lose it.

Historically, in America, the black community has been similarly (though not legally) divided with exceptions here & there but the general principle is true. Its no question that a color caste still exists within the black community and will continue as long as we live in a white dominated society.

That being the case, why are people who claim to love being black, that understand the racial dynamic going on in this country & worldwide, deliberately aligning themselves personally with nonblack people? They've decided to make certain qualities more important than others. That's their right but that IS what they are doing.

>How much of a unified front are "non-mixed" Blacks presenting in America right now?

Of course we're not unified..we're still debating the importance of black people loving and mating with other black people. The home is the first place where this "unity" begins, its the first place culture is passed on, its the first place we start...its the foundation for our communities.

QUit wasting your time nahymsa.

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i appreciate your point of view, but why are you against biracial children because of the identity problem that occurs, it's not their fault. i think biracial parents should be aware of this whole situation, but break up the love and stick to their kind instead..? this whole problem is a product of race classification within society, not love. get what i'm saying?

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I couldn't love them more..

its not about being against biracial people, most black people in the US are already multiracial to begin with.

The point is about choosing what we value as a people & what's important to ourselves, our families & our communities. I know first hand the difference btwn "biracial" children raised by black moms & those raised by white moms. I also know that a mixed marriage doesn't mean that the married are less racists or don't have issues with blackness.

In the end, the question remains, if you value your blackness, your heritage & your culture why wouldn't you choose to be with someone who brings those same qualities to the table? If I believe in Islam, it makes no sense for me to marry a Christian.

it makes no difference whether she's a christian, muslim or whatever she is. that's where we're different..

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make a difference...that your mate was not Christian..as it should.

on how open minded you are.. some christians (and others) are not that strict, and choose love before religion. (i have no specific religion to make that clear)

i still don't like the "stick to your own kind" idea, but i respect your view as long as you don't try to impose(?) it onto others or diss those not doing the same thing (i don't believe you are thou).

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and the only way into Heaven is thru Christ, then why would you marry a Jew?

this is my only point. Those "openminded" Christians, imo, aren't as sure of their faith as they could be. If they truly believed then why would they marry someone who doesn't then make babies & raise these kids to "choose" a religion? It makes no sense.

but seriously, let's get off this topic-stretching.. you're too stubborn (no offence) for having a discussion with me

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>You held up Bob Marley as
>an individual that who's heritage
>is mixed..but is still considered
>black. That's why he's
>your example. You didn't
>call the name of certain
>black people, like an Alex
>Wek, for a reason.

"You say apples taste good, and you cite the Red Delicious as an example. I notice you didn't mention the cucumber, and that's for a reason."

Uhh, yeah, and the reason is we're talking about apples, so cucumbers are irrelevant.

I didn't mention Alex Wek because I am trying clarify your perception of people who have one Black parent and one non-Black. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Alex Wek falls into that category. So I can't use her as an example, because she is not an example.


>Bob Marley is a man of
>African descent who aligned himself
>politically, socially, and culturally with
>the politics of nonmixed African
>people DESPITE being racially mixed.
>Similar to an Adam Clayton
>Powell, who could be seen
>as white, but aligned himself
>with blacks. We all
>know what black means &
>yeah the reason we're called
>that is because that blackness
>is manifested PHYSICALLY. If
>we looked like Britney Spears
>then we wouldn't be black.

Evidently you are never going to give a straight answer on whether you consider Bob Marley to be Black. But regardless...

If you are saying the sole measure of blackness is physical appearance, then most mixed children are undoubtedly Black, just as you yourself said 85% of Black people are mixed to some extent. According to this standard your original statement that mixed couples don't have Black children is false, which is what I was getting at.

>Read what I say very carefully:
>The product of mixed race relations
>in South African are a
>buffer class btwn the whites
>and nonmixed blacks...
> ...............
>Historically, in America, the black community
>has been similarly (though not
>legally) divided with exceptions here
>& there but the general
>principle is true. Its
>no question that a color
>caste still exists within the
>black community and will continue
>as long as we live
>in a white dominated society...
>.................

We all agree that these problems exist. You are just unclear when it comes to differentiating between cause and effect.

People of mixed background are placed into an unhealthy position by the color caste system. Non-mixed Black people are placed into an equally unhealthy position by the color caste system. Is this problem caused by the existence of mixed people? Is it caused by the existence of Black people? Or is it caused by the existence of the color caste system?


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AT some point all humanity comes from black people. But there are clearly some people who are blacker than others. Bob Marley is "biracial" person who's aligned himself politically, socially & culturally with nonbiracial black people. He has aligned himself on the basis of color & shared common cultural traits. All biracials do not...and they have groups & organizations that are all about making sure to promote the distinction. Some biracials are black culturally but they are not black physically & you simply can;t seperate physical blackness from the black experience...though many have tried. The "blacks" walking around "passing" now - simply aren't black by virtue of their ability to be white...regardless of what their background is. Cameron Diaz is a white girl..I don't care if she's spanish or not. J-Lo is not black.

Bob Marley married a black woman in part because he wanted a black wife & black babies..why? Bob Marley saw himself as black, valued his blackness & acted accordingly.

My logic? I am merely applying the criteria that YOU set forth. And I don't see how any of your criteria would designate Britney Spears as Black.

>AT some point all humanity comes
>from black people. But
>there are clearly some people
>who are blacker than others.
> Bob Marley is "biracial"
>person who's aligned himself politically,
>socially & culturally with nonbiracial
>black people. He has
>aligned himself on the basis
>of color & shared common
>cultural traits. All biracials do
>not...and they have groups &
>organizations that are all about
>making sure to promote the
>distinction. Some biracials
>are black culturally but they
>are not black physically &
>you simply can;t seperate physical
>blackness from the black experience...though
>many have tried. The
>"blacks" walking around "passing" now
>- simply aren't black by
>virtue of their ability to
>be white...regardless of what their
>background is. Cameron Diaz
>is a white girl..I don't
>care if she's spanish or
>not. J-Lo is not
>black.

Okay, but none of that does anything to disprove what I just said, or to answer the questions I just asked... I think this conversation may have run its course at this point.

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i think this discussion is straight bs. race is a manmade concept to seperate humans.. a baby boy born with darker skin by "african related" parents (trying to avoid the words) is placed into the "black" cathegory. a baby boy born with lighter skin by "european related" parents is now "white".. crazy!

anyway, let's look at the life of the dark skinned boy. the boy grows up surrounded by "blacks" in a "black" community. his whole life he'll see signs of what "black" is, especially on tv but also in other medias and because of the power of media - even in society. as he grows up, he realize that he is "black". his family is "black", most people he know are "blacks" - his people are "blacks"! from here, he's generally a "black man" and "black" is his identity unless he can detach from that. it's about same thing for the light skinned boy..

am i completely wrong? maybe, but as a twin i know what it's like being labeled something, given an identity, and i really hate that.. i want to build my own identity independantly. detach from the identity given to me by others (i never thought about that i was a twin before people kept telling me and my bro). that's my basis for my thoughts on this topic, and i realize that i can't really adapt to these "race" problems, but that's what i was thinking. don't take it too serious..

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>Bob Marley married a black woman
>in part because he wanted
>a black wife & black
>babies..why? Bob Marley saw himself
>as black, valued his blackness
>& acted accordingly.

Bob also had at least one white girlfriend. Actually, she may be biracial but her skin is whiter than Bob's was.

A question...Do your problems with mixed marriages only apply to blacks or to anyone? My daughter is half Anglo-Australian/Maori and half Khmer-Thai....

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People will do what they want, I can't & wouldn't want to stop them. But let's call a spade a spade, if you want to, if its important to you to have black children, if you want to marry a black women then you would.

> What problems? People will do what they want,
>I can't & wouldn't want
>to stop them.

You are clearly making a value judgement about mixed marriages, and it's just silly to keep denying that. If that is your opinion, that is your opinion, and I respect your right to represent it. But at least be real about what you are saying and stick by it.


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I'm not denying anything...I'm very clear.

I don't hate mixed people, I have 5 siblings who I love dearly. Love my mom & pops too..both who made decisions to be with white people at different points in their lives. Doesn't mean that I have to agree with their decision or ignore the implications of what those decisions mean.

Don't get salty because you fuck with white chicks & don't want to acknowledge what that says about what you value.

>Don't get salty because you fuck
>with white chicks & don't
>want to acknowledge what that
>says about what you value.

When you can't defend your idea on its own merits you have no choice but to get personal. But unfortunately you are incorrect, as I have never been with a White woman.

Thank you for illustrating perfectly why it is misguided to make assumptions and pass judgement on others as you are trying to do in this thread. You will often be wrong, just as you were right here.

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boo assumptions and passing judgement on people!

Nasty like the freaky deaky at your local sleazy speakeasy - MF Doom

who did state that they would & have dated anyone of any racial background. No bad..and yours too....

.....I agree with you that decide to fall in love with certain types of people...but it's not as deep as making it a "priority to date Black, have a Black mother or to love Black women"

It's a fantasy based on what you *think* will work....and as people grow up, they discover that their fantasies are often wrong and that their ideal has to be changed because the person won't neccessarily come in the package they want...or they may realize that their fantasy isn't what they truly want/need.

Besides, once a relationship gets serious/towards the marriage phase...things have gone waaaaaaaaaay past just dating a fantasy, you obviously have a very real bond.

That being said, Brotha man pointed out that his mental picture was of a Black Woman....but that he fell in love with a White Woman...since we don't know him, his fiance and their interpersonal dynamic....we cannot put forth "obvious assumptions" as if they are fact. All we know is that he believes he's in love with this woman.

Time will tell if his love is real, if his belief is genuine....but at this time, we don't have the information to make judgements.

As for priorities, if you're the type that feels that dating someone of your own race is so important that you'll reject someone who "fits" just because of the slant of their eyes or the amount of melanin in your skin...

....it simply says that you'll reject people who you're falling in love/fit with you.....if they don't fall into a certain racial category.

Let's not make this into a federal case where your dating choices have far reaching social and spiritual reprocussions; no one is that special that they need to date a Black woman to help the community. If you decide you HAVE to date Black women (Even if you're attracted to and/or develop a bond/fall in love with a non-Black one) you're doing so for your own ego, so you can hold up the person up as a symbol of how down you are.

If you're only attracted to Black women and/or can only relate to Black women....then fine...but don't hold up your relationship as some sort of Paragon that other Blacks need to follow....and/or deride other Blacks for not dating their own.

If someone is genuinely happy with someone who isn't their own race...fine, let' em' be.....don't pass judgements until you know they aren't happy....and don't think yourself special because your partner is Black.




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Because I hardly see why you feel qualified to tell black people what should be important to them if you're not.

Anyway, bonds can be based on a lot of things..you decide what you want in your life & why. I could care less about the personal dynamic btwn this brotha and his mate..and no one is debating whether its his choice. Its not a question of letting anyone be...he is doing precisely what he wants to do..he asked for commentary on it by bringing his relationship into the conversation. The point remains IF he wanted a black woman in his life, he would make the point of getting one...period. Whoever fits in his life is his decision...its not arbitrary, its a choice because he can make room or not depending on what he values.


Who you love & mate with is the most important decision you can make in your life. It does have far reaching social & spiritual repercussions. Its speaks volumns about what you value & what you don't. When Malcolm X chose his wife, her being black & muslim was part of his requirements because he valued blackness, Islam and wanted to bring forth & raise black muslim babies.

I look around & see many single black women (parents & not), many fatherless children. I don't think its crazy to expect that black men should be the first ones that these people should be able to turn too orthat black men should think its a priority to join with women who could've been their mamas to make or care for children that could've been them.

>Because I hardly see why you
>feel qualified to tell black
>people what should be important
>to them if you're not.

The color of my skin holds no relevance to the validity of my opinons in this matter...


But since you asked.......


Go to the Grocery Store, buy a Twix Bar....remove the wrapper...I'm the same color as the Twix bar.

I'm living Chocolate.......

Answer your question?

>The point remains IF he
>wanted a black woman in
>his life, he would make
>the point of getting one...period.
>Whoever fits in his life
>is his decision...its not arbitrary,
>its a choice because he
>can make room or not
>depending on what he values.

I'm tempted to ask your age and how many serious relationships you've had.

You make it sound like people have the option of going and picking someone out of a lineup and molding them into their ideal mate.

I don't mean to sound Daft..but grow up.

People don't just decide that they're going to love and "fit" with one type of person...it doesn't work that way.

If it was as simple as making something a priority and going out and getting that person.....no one would be single.

Seeing as you have no information as to the Black women he sees on a regular vs. the White women he sees.....you can't really make the determination with regards to whether he's met a Black woman he would've fit with as well or better with then this White Woman...a Black woman he would've fell in love with...and more importantly a Black woman who fell in love with HIM.

You've boiled this down to being as simple as someone purchasing a car....it's not.......


You can't make it a priority to fall in love with someone.....or for that person to connect with you....

Nor can you say that someone else didn't make it a priority unless you know for a fact that they are refusing to date Black Women and/or are rejecting good matches with Black women in order to wait for a non-Black woman who matches up.

>
>
>
>Who you love & mate with
>is the most important decision
>you can make in your
>life.

No one picks who they love, they pick who they want to love...two entirely different things.

You make this sound as mechanical a decision as me test driving a Mistsubish, A Nissan and a Honda and picking the Honda........

If we're going to take it to that level......

People should start giving potential mates physical and intellectual tests to make sure they pass on good genes to their children.

It does have far
>reaching social & spiritual repercussions.
>Its speaks volumns about what
>you value & what you
>don't. When Malcolm
>X chose his wife, her
>being black & muslim was
>part of his requirements because
>he valued blackness, Islam and
>wanted to bring forth &
>raise black muslim babies.



Even Malcolm wasn't that special.....it does NOT have far reaching social and spiritual repercussions beyond dealing with people who have an issue with it.


>I look around & see many
>single black women (parents &
>not), many fatherless children. I
>don't think its crazy to
>expect that black men should
>be the first ones that
>these people should be able
>to turn too orthat black
>men should think its a
>priority to join with women
>who could've been their mamas
>to make or care for
>children that could've been them.
>

#1. If you're a single Mother you need to be looking to the father of those kids for help, and/or doing what you can to take care of your family.

#2. It's not the responsibility of single Black men to take on the responsibility of someone else's family/kids just because the kids share a racial identity with them.

Personally, I won't date single mothers...nor do I feel I a responsibility to do so.

#3. Priorities, Shmiorities.....people should make it a priority to get with people that make them happy....period.

Stop turning this into some sort of social & spiritual crisis issue....if the person truly loves that person, let them be...the have no responsibility to reject someone who loves them, just so they can get with a Black woman.

I'm a rather strange person, an electic assemblage of likes & dislikes.....as well as goals and aspirations....I've found while I can make surface connections with women...it rarely goes deeper because they don't "Get Me"....and I know that if past history is any indication...if I find someone like that....even if the relationship doesn't workout...I have a friend for life.

SO, I'm not going to reject non-Black women who get me, in favor of one who doesn't, or in favor of waiting until the right Sistah comes along.

If I meet someone who "gets me" and they're Black...cool....if she's Korean/Italian/A Wasp or something else....cool...I don't have time to find the right sistah......when it's hard enough to find the right woman...





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I choose who I deal with, I don't deal with drug dealers, I don't deal with men who hit women, I don't deal with men with bad teeth, I don't date men who are shorter than me, I don't date me that don't read books, I don't deal w/ men that support Clarence Thomas. And I don't date white men. I've decided on a daily basis who I will give the opportunity to get to know me better..I certainly don't make myself available to each man that approaches me. I would never teach my daughters that you stumble into the most important relationship into your life or that LOVE CHOOSES YOU. We all should decide what we value and make sure that we seek that in our mates & bring it into our lives. Women that don't are the same type that end up cowering from fists thinking love is something that's grabbed hold of them. I would never tell anyone that they don't have the power to choose who they love....its God given.

I boiled it down to the basic because it really is that simple. We're not talking about a situation where there are physically not enough black women to pair up with black men. If a black man wants a black woman, he has an overwhelming selection or he can go to where there is one.

>People should start giving potential mates
>physical and intellectual tests to make sure they pass on
>good genes to their children.

People already do that, most people without down syndrome wouldn't date someone with it. Most of us aren't atracted to the sickly or the weak.

If you don't feel black people should look out for one another that's your business. Thankfully, those before you didn't feel that way. You decide what you value. My mate & I will adopting a black child because that's our responsibility to our people, our community. Those are our values. IF your values don't lead you there then so be it.

Women that don't are the same type that end up cowering from fists thinking love is something that's grabbed hold of them




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>I choose who I deal with,
>I don't deal with drug
>dealers, I don't deal with
>men who hit women, I
>don't deal with men with
>bad teeth, I don't date
>men who are shorter than
>me, I don't date me
>that don't read books, I
>don't deal w/ men that
>support Clarence Thomas. And I
>don't date white men.
>I've decided on a daily
>basis who I will give
>the opportunity to get to
>know me better..I certainly don't
>make myself available to each
>man that approaches me. I
>would never teach my daughters
>that you stumble into the
>most important relationship into your
>life or that LOVE CHOOSES
>YOU. We all should
>decide what we value and
>make sure that we seek
>that in our mates &
>bring it into our lives.
> Women that don't are
>the same type that end
>up cowering from fists thinking
>love is something that's grabbed
>hold of them. I
>would never tell anyone that
>they don't have the power
>to choose who they love....its
>God given.
>
>I boiled it down to the
>basic because it really is
>that simple. We're not talking
>about a situation where there
>are physically not enough black
>women to pair up with
>black men. If a
>black man wants a black
>woman, he has an overwhelming
>selection or he can go
>to where there is one.
>
>
>>People should start giving potential mates
>>physical and intellectual tests to make sure they pass on
>>good genes to their children.
>
>People already do that, most people
>without down syndrome wouldn't date
>someone with it. Most of
>us aren't atracted to the
>sickly or the weak.
>
>If you don't feel black people
>should look out for one
>another that's your business. Thankfully,
>those before you didn't feel
>that way. You decide what
>you value. My mate &
>I will adopting a black
>child because that's our responsibility
>to our people, our community.
>Those are our values.
>IF your values don't lead
>you there then so be
>it.


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