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"Black Future Month, redux."


  

          

i'm back on that again.


basically, i'm looking for a vision that takes where we are as a people as a starting point, and says, if we had to do it ALL by ourselves, where would we be in 5 years, 10 years, 20, thirty? what do we need to do now to position ourselves for where we want to be and need to be in the future? LexM (i think), had posted this before, and it didn't get archived, but i promised to revisit the topic. (i'm also on deadline for an article on the same subject and although i have most of it in my mind, y'all are very insightful and i'm not ruling out other perspectives).

in sci fi, notice that back in the day, you never saw blacks in the 'future'. eff all that, we need to put ourselves there. (an although aunt jemima got a perm and jar jar is a senator now, we can 'do better').

i'm outlining some broad areas for focus, and want to form the basis for extrapolation in an almost sci-fi sense, where you take a set of conditions and (hopefully) intelligently hypothesize how that can play itself out over the coming years.


Technology - this has transformative potential. society and economy can be swept up and rapidly changed by technological advance, for good or ill. look at the rise of the 'net. and the fact that we communicate across thousands of miles and share ideas. people are talking digital divide, yada, yada, and truth is that we should have been more prepared, but i think we've done pretty well
***what new trends should we be aware of?
***what should we be wary of? (i called it on microchipping of dogs 3yrs ago, now some dude in florida 'voluntarily' got chips for him and his fam b/c of some dire medical condition. what i'd said a few years ago was that they'd lead with the beneficial sh*t, and then do a norplant move, targeting certain folks for their own good, like drug addicts, prisoners, etc)
***cashless society?

Economy - the old 'sweat of our brow' jobs are going away, quickly, and we need to be sure that we aim for the right targets, as opposed to wasting efforts. even to fix cars, nowadays, you hafta know computers and own expensive diagnostic equipment, which requires investment (if you do your thing under the shade tree) or getting down with a big company. anecdotally, i've noticed a lot of folks from my generation (early to mid thirties) getting into 'ownership', rehabbing houses, owning investment property. this is both folks who went the college route, and ex-drug dealers (a lot of whom are ahead of the game, having parlayed previous profits). its an interesting counterpoint to gentrification.
***impact of globalization? (do we take a principled stand, form pragmatic alliances, or work blindly in ignorance of short term or strategic self-interest?).
***increasing need for education to even participate in economy
***ownership (plight of black farmers? new class of landlords)
***supplemental education in financial matters (this isn't taught at all in public schools, but we definitely need to do something on our own. work w/ kids, volunteer to do credit counseling, educate folks on homebuying. investment vs. saving).

Society - rapid changes here. race remains the daily drama. do we see us getting past that (mongrelization of culture - whites have long looked to blacks in US for cutting edge for pop culture, but is degree of wiggerism (i'll find a better word) today somehow more endemic or lasting? i read a sci-fi book (don't remember which) predicting that in the 80's, young people would file their teeth like certain tribes in the amazon and africa. i was at disney 2 weeks ago, and saw white kids (of the pierced variety) w/ disks in their ears like some indigenous people in africa (where the ear lobes and lips are stretched using increasingly larger disks/objects until they are like big hoops of flesh). it was bugged out.
*** multiculturalism - how do we deal w/ imminent (second biggest minority status)?

leadership- will we ever get past the all the eggs in one basket approach we've favored for so long (which is so very, very prone to disruption by assassination and other dirty tricks in the interest of democracy).


there's more, but this is long enough for now. holla back.

peace & blessings,

x.






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correction, i think it was guerilla_love
Jul 01st 2002
1
i am lexm
Jul 01st 2002
2
      so i was right and wrong at the same time?
Jul 01st 2002
3
      well sht
Jul 01st 2002
4
      well, guess i'll have to read this now
Jul 16th 2002
82
RE: Black Future Month, redux.
Jul 01st 2002
5
u really
Jul 02nd 2002
13
oh no...FUCK this.
Jul 16th 2002
84
      yeah it's screwed
Jul 16th 2002
87
           lol
Jul 16th 2002
92
In the future
Jul 01st 2002
6
I think for sure
Jul 01st 2002
7
yep. in non-exploitative means
Jul 08th 2002
40
thanx, y'all, love y'all.
Jul 01st 2002
8
Gracias
Jul 02nd 2002
14
excerpt from the original column:
Jul 01st 2002
9
as far as the arts...
Jul 01st 2002
10
Good shit.
Jul 01st 2002
11
here's what i've been thinkin about
Jul 02nd 2002
12
whatcha thinkin'
Jul 02nd 2002
15
catching up
Jul 02nd 2002
16
      RE: catching up
Jul 02nd 2002
19
           nondevelopments
Jul 02nd 2002
22
convenience
Jul 02nd 2002
17
I agree totally
Jul 02nd 2002
18
stairs blender and fridge
Jul 02nd 2002
20
      you are right
Jul 02nd 2002
21
           JA
Jul 02nd 2002
23
all excellent points.
Jul 02nd 2002
25
      in a lot of cases
Jul 02nd 2002
26
           exactly...I guess
Jul 02nd 2002
27
                that's because the developers
Jul 02nd 2002
28
beautifully stated
Jul 16th 2002
85
      you do that, too (10 books...)
Jul 16th 2002
89
           bona fide book junkie
Jul 16th 2002
91
           we need a support group or suttin.
Jul 16th 2002
93
           FINCH!!!
Jul 16th 2002
94
y'know,
Jul 02nd 2002
24
RE: Black Future Month, redux.
Jul 02nd 2002
29
skip gates is the man.
Jul 02nd 2002
30
upperation.
Jul 02nd 2002
31
^up...what the hell happened to the board? shit.
Jul 02nd 2002
32
too bad
Jul 03rd 2002
33
long ass post by samuel r. delany
Jul 03rd 2002
34
Good article - now a long-ass reply
Jul 03rd 2002
35
      wow. great ideas...
Jul 03rd 2002
36
           I love Dune
Jul 08th 2002
38
                that 'fly' idea sounds original.
Jul 08th 2002
39
                     LOL!!!
Jul 08th 2002
41
up
Jul 08th 2002
37
d to tha itto. (thanks, g).
Jul 08th 2002
45
article's done.
Jul 08th 2002
42
Okay-curriculum
Jul 08th 2002
43
utamoroho was putting together
Jul 08th 2002
44
too bad
Jul 09th 2002
46
Dang!
Jul 09th 2002
47
      what we tried to do
Jul 09th 2002
48
           that would be dope.
Jul 09th 2002
49
                RE: that would be dope.
Jul 09th 2002
50
                for me, starting small
Jul 09th 2002
52
                     See that's specialized to me
Jul 09th 2002
54
                          that's why
Jul 10th 2002
57
                we shd resurrect that listserve
Jul 09th 2002
51
                     no doubt.
Jul 09th 2002
53
check frederisco's post
Jul 16th 2002
86
      Thanks - I will
Jul 16th 2002
88
skills co-op.
Jul 09th 2002
55
I think this is necessary
Jul 09th 2002
56
yes
Jul 10th 2002
59
i remember reading
Jul 10th 2002
60
that's a great idea!
Jul 10th 2002
58
skills bartering network.
Jul 15th 2002
80
      i always wished
Jul 16th 2002
81
Self Defense
Jul 10th 2002
61
our ability to stand up
Jul 10th 2002
62
      LOL
Jul 10th 2002
63
      what does it entail exactly?
Jul 10th 2002
64
           I got an idea
Jul 10th 2002
65
                You are wild....
Jul 10th 2002
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                Yeah but
Jul 10th 2002
67
                     My thing is this....
Jul 10th 2002
68
                          Sure it's a crime
Jul 10th 2002
69
                          One more thing ....
Jul 11th 2002
73
                i like building with you.
Jul 10th 2002
70
                     u should get that produced
Jul 11th 2002
71
                     Same here bud
Jul 11th 2002
72
ups-a-daisy
Jul 11th 2002
74
yeh, i'm not ready for this one to die yet
Jul 12th 2002
75
      thanks. the article ran.
Jul 12th 2002
76
           You did a story on that?
Jul 12th 2002
77
                i mentioned it in my column
Jul 12th 2002
78
                     up
Jul 12th 2002
79
i'll have a real reply
Jul 16th 2002
83
ok. my thing is
Jul 16th 2002
90
a step in the right direction
Jul 16th 2002
95
give thanks!
Jul 16th 2002
96
      Do we need another Different World?
Jul 16th 2002
97
           don't the Wayans Bros.
Jul 16th 2002
98
Damn...more like a dollar, but I cosign.
Jul 19th 2002
101
up. not me, close to Activist Platinum?
Jul 18th 2002
99
plat-i-num baby
Jul 19th 2002
100
Archive and ^^^^^
Jul 19th 2002
102

poetx
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1. "correction, i think it was guerilla_love"
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that did the previous post.

peace & blessings,

x

peace & blessings,

x.

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

  

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guerilla_love
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2. "i am lexm"
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she is my cuter, funnier and more charming alter ego

i am so hapy to see this up again! i keep bringing it up over and over again!

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3. "so i was right and wrong at the same time?"
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thanks.

trying to do something w/ it. you got me to thinking about it again. and on the other post you managed to summarize my stuff better than i could (mostly, cats stare at the miles of words and *run away screaming*). i write 1500-2000, so sue me.

thanks. feel free to add on/build. i have less than a day to turn it around and i'm significantly sleep deprived due to probs at the jayo over the weekend. been up since 1am. going to sleep now.

peace & blessings,

x


peace & blessings,

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

  

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4. "well sht"
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i'm shutting down to go home as we speak, and we both know i'm not gonna hit a computer while home with an 8 mos. old, so hopefully i can think on it and get back to u by tomorrow. did u see my black holocaust museum post? it followed up on the black future month theme but dropped like a mafia-body-in-the-rive if ya know what i mean...............

ok- manana-

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LexM
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82. "well, guess i'll have to read this now"
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since i've been accused of starting it...

*shrug*
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Navie
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5. "RE: Black Future Month, redux."
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> ***what new trends should we be aware of?

Internet 2 (wireless) - and Hollywood commandeering (or trying to) digital filmmaking entrepreneurship. I can't think of who - but a Hollywood big wig said recently to congress "I don't want what happened to music to happen to film" I believe he was addressing downloads, but in reality the real fear is that there will be entrepreneurs who won't be shackled by the jerks holding the switch to the green light. A veritable Puffy or Master P of film will rise up, giving way to programming independent of traditional media conglomerates.

Ultimately, this is the capitalists' issue w/ the internet in general - a production of media outside "established" sources, i.e. outside already fat pockets. My personal fear is that Hollywood & the FTC will gear up together to make it illegal to produce media outside "established vendors". At any rate, their gross spending on bs artists is what has hurt their numbers, but they've successfully convinced lawmakers (and to an extent the general pop) that it's those damned dl-ers fault.

On another note - with the destruction of the school system playing out in slo-mo right now, buy stock in online educational companies/products. This will truly be the wave of the future. NY state is already looking at elimination of guaranteed education past 8th grade, so if you want a diploma, you may have to get it thru "distance learning"

> ***what should we be wary of?

Cloning. Right now they're saying it's use will be for regenerative purposes, organs, etc. I believe it will be used to further marginalize minority groups (incl the poor) - it will be another treatment only the elite will be able to afford - creating "unnatural selection"

> ***cashless society?
>
>Economy - the old 'sweat of our brow' jobs are going away,
>quickly, and we need to be sure that we aim for the right
>targets, as opposed to wasting efforts.

I agree but there are still trades and vocations that we will still require. "If all the kids go into computer programming and none into plumbing, neither our programs nor our pipes will hold water" (forgot where that quote came from).

We do need more ownership/financial savvy - but we also need to be open-minded about the skill-set from which we build wealth in the community (speaks to your anecdote)

> ***impact of globalization? (do we take a principled stand,
>form pragmatic alliances, or work blindly in ignorance of
>short term or strategic self-interest?).

This is tough - it's almost impossible to get people to believe some of the things that are going on in other areas besides their back yard. Are you asking what will happen our what we should try to make happen? If it's the latter - I'd say we need to form pragmatic alliances, yet be more open to where those alliances may come from, e.g. technological advances going on in Africa (Ghana for example) - or even other parts of the diaspora.

It takes a bit of an adventurous spirit entrepreneurially - but I think necessary to a successful future - we have to think globally - not locally with global interests.

> ***increasing need for education to even participate in economy

See 1st answer

> ***ownership (plight of black farmers? new class of landlords)

Regardless of ownership, I think the consumerism of farming in general is going to have to change - farmers receive nominal relief from time to time - hell - black farmers had to sue for it - but they along with any other farmer is finding it hard to compete without "creative" sourcing (GEFs). Consumer access affects consumer behavior. How can we properly support?

> ***supplemental education in financial matters (this isn't
>taught at all in public schools, but we definitely need to
>do something on our own. work w/ kids, volunteer to do
>credit counseling, educate folks on homebuying. investment
>vs. saving).

Agreed - we'll have to do alot of our own schooling on a helluva lot more in addition really really soon.

>Society - rapid changes here. race remains the daily drama.
>do we see us getting past that (mongrelization of culture -
>whites have long looked to blacks in US for cutting edge for
>pop culture, but is degree of wiggerism (i'll find a better
>word) today somehow more endemic or lasting?

no - and there will remain a separation of cultures, whether appropriated at different times by the mainstream or not, as long as there is no social homogeneity - separated racially until class becomes the singular divide BUT that ain't happenin' no time soon

>*** multiculturalism - how do we deal w/ imminent (second
>biggest minority status)?
>
>leadership- will we ever get past the all the eggs in one
>basket approach we've favored for so long (which is so very,
>very prone to disruption by assassination and other dirty
>tricks in the interest of democracy).

I'll smush these 2 together - again - without social homogeneity - black/latinos remain the oppressed majority - our political platforms often share issues. Education here is also the key - using our "connection" to educate ourselves AND our leaders on our needs/desires as people, not just people-of-color, I think will serve to smooth relations and allow us to work together ... probably the only chance for either of our survival.

Peace

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13. "u really"
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have a lot of great ideas here

thank u

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84. "oh no...FUCK this."
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>On another note - with the destruction of the school system
>playing out in slo-mo right now, buy stock in online
>educational companies/products. This will truly be the wave
>of the future. NY state is already looking at elimination
>of guaranteed education past 8th grade, so if you want a
>diploma, you may have to get it thru "distance learning"


you've got to be fuckin kidding me

this is ridiculous. something HAS to be done about the schools in this country. if the usual channels aren't working, then there needs to be a serious movement towards parents learning how to PARENT in addition to TEACHING their children outside the (increasingly) worthless time they're spending in a classroom.

this is the kind of thing i've been considering putting together. a school where children can get a decent education coupled with space for parents to learn and open their own minds as well. you can have the best school on the planet, but (especially) when they're young, parental involvement is KEY. sometimes the parents aren't involved because they feel intimidated by what the kids are learning, can't see the value in it, or just haven't had the exposure. that needs to be addressed.

i already know that if i have a child, s/he's gonna be sick of me teaching them stuff on the side (lol), but damned if they won't read/think/analyze critically.

the children of this country are in serious danger.

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Nigger is a State
population too many
I'm finna move out
(c) thaanthology


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87. "yeah it's screwed"
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>you've got to be fuckin kidding me

wish I was

>this is ridiculous. something HAS to be done about the
>schools in this country. if the usual channels aren't
>working, then there needs to be a serious movement towards
>parents learning how to PARENT in addition to TEACHING their
>children outside the (increasingly) worthless time they're
>spending in a classroom.

good luck -

>this is the kind of thing i've been considering putting
>together. a school where children can get a decent education
>coupled with space for parents to learn and open their own
>minds as well.

good idea - never thought of that - I'm more thinking the actual future of education is going to be teleologized - a la:
"and now it's time for your favorite math show - Math or Die! with your host AJ - and on the 1s and 2s - Funkmaster Flex! If you answer today's questions - you might be ready to go take the math test at the Post Office!"

Realize that in my responses - alot of what I'm saying is scoping out what direction I think things are going in - which IMO is to hell in a handbasket - not what I wish on or for anyone.

>i already know that if i have a child, s/he's gonna be sick
>of me teaching them stuff on the side (lol), but damned if
>they won't read/think/analyze critically.

same here - I have to be realistic tho and realize I may be the only teacher - not just the one on the side - I think all parents have to realize this as a possibility - the government has shown what they think of kids, education, etc.

>the children of this country are in serious danger.

no argument there...

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92. "lol"
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>good idea - never thought of that - I'm more thinking the
>actual future of education is going to be teleologized - a
>la:
>"and now it's time for your favorite math show - Math or
>Die! with your host AJ - and on the 1s and 2s - Funkmaster
>Flex! If you answer today's questions - you might be ready
>to go take the math test at the Post Office!"

lol...that's hilarious

you might be right...but in that case, maybe it would be easier to control what kids get taught & how, as well as a little easier to gear their learning towards their personal styles.

e.g. you ask the child what s/he's interested in, the parent (or tutor) finds the appropriate classes and websites that teach them in the child's best style (write it down? have a hands-on kit? verbal interactions between the child & the computer? etc).

that way, you could filter out all the unecessary drivel, cut to the chase, AND ensure that the child is learning the way s/he KNOWS how to learn. of course, i'm oversimplyfying, but that's a positive way that could work.


>Realize that in my responses - alot of what I'm saying is
>scoping out what direction I think things are going in -
>which IMO is to hell in a handbasket - not what I wish on or
>for anyone.

u & me both


>same here - I have to be realistic tho and realize I may be
>the only teacher - not just the one on the side - I think
>all parents have to realize this as a possibility - the
>government has shown what they think of kids, education,
>etc.

yeah... i think that this generation coming up is going to make or break this nation. either they're going to rise up themselves & demand better, or no one in this country's going to be able to live in peace.

god...u just sparked a thought. i wrote a story when i was a teenager (maybe a little younger) about a world where washington d.c. expands & becomes the only place where the rich can live. the rest of the nation is on some apocalyptic/mad max shit 'cause they just decided to let everyone else run rampant vs. fix the situations.

i think i have it saved somewhere, but i don't know if i want to find it now...sounds a little too close to where we're headed...


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Nigger is a State
population too many
I'm finna move out
(c) thaanthology


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DemOne
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6. "In the future"
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black children will have even less of an idea of what it means to be black.

  

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7. "I think for sure"
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some Diasporic Africans need to look into going to continent and starting businesses (Europeans do it all the time and they are very lucrative, trust me - For instance telecom, a european business, pretty much has telecommunications on lock on the Continent.).
Then be the point of contact for others of us to do business from here.

e.g. Shea Butter is getting to be a big deal now as evidenced in The Body Shop and Estee Lauder's latest cosmetics. What if every bit of Shea Butter thst came into America came through an African-Americans hands first and THEN to other people?

just a thought.

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40. "yep. in non-exploitative means"
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ie, i know folks in the past who've been in that second hand clothes bidness, which i think is foul, or is at least apt to be foul in execution.

conversely. i know of a church which, while it does traditional missionary work, and supports orphanages and things in ghana, is working with the people there to start an import/export business, where they sell the goods over here and send the profits back there (with the eventual aim of having the people reach self-sufficiency, by teaching them things about business, like logistics, supply chain management, accounting, etc.). that sounds promising to me (although, i fully understand that the entire continent can't be suppported off of an artisan-based economy). in the near-near term, though, this sounds very much like a win-win situation.

peace & blessings.

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8. "thanx, y'all, love y'all."
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very good points/observations, etc. would love to reply point by point, but, er um, i gotta write. but just that quick, you've sparked some other ideas. (navie, you got some ish that's downright quotable, so i'll be hard-pressed to rephrase, appropriately).

but this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about. good looks. anyone else, please build.

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14. "Gracias"
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Feel free to quote Actually, I am forming an essay right now on human memory - I still have to read Lyotard's Post-Human but after that I believe I'll be quoting you ("Africa in all tenses").

Tho not directly aligned but related to this discussion, there is I believe an important phenomenon of the human recorder, its fallibility, it's place in the allegorical telling of our personal history that is threatened by our dependence on technology (Minority Report was brilliant) and the related shortening of our attention spans.

(I tried to post some memory questions in GD but got not 1 response)

I missed the first Black Future post, but thanks for the redux

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9. "excerpt from the original column:"
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this was pretty much the ending of something i wrote during black history month, 2 yrs ago...

"What we really need, though, is a cohesive vision, something to rally
around--a focal point not as immediate or "black and white" as
segregation or colonial occupation, yet with more substance than the
Confederate flag. We need to get people thinking of Africa in all
tenses. What it was, what it is, and what it will be. Maybe we can
make March the Black Future month. No, it doesn't have to be
sponsored by Burger King, there doesn't need to be a TV special
hosted by Tiger Woods and we don't need commemorative postage
stamps. We can keep it grassroots. Instead of having our children
memorize Dr. King's famous "I Have a Dream" speech (and paying
royalties to the King family), we can encourage them to write their
own speeches, dream their own dreams. We can gather our best
minds and have them try to find real solutions to the great problems
that loom over us nationally and internationally.

Folks like me can put as much effort into learning the current map of
Africa as we do studying the trade routes of the Malian Empire or the
temples of pre-dynastic Kemet. With the increasingly globalized
economy, we can actually meet and interact with the many brothers
and sisters who have immigrated to the United States from the
continent and share experiences with them. With the aid of the
Internet, we can dialogue across the diaspora and figure out mutually
how we can best help each other.

Perhaps then we'll ensure our collective future, disprove all the sci-fi
movies that show only one token black face on those huge spaceships
in the 23rd century. Beyond that we must recognize that what we do
now for ourselves globally will determine how our generation is
viewed when it becomes a part of black history. "

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10. "as far as the arts..."
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it's goin back into the streets
the playhouses
blk ppl will totally obliterate themselves frum celluloid consideration
there will be playrights & actors who are soliloquy spewin fools

not gospel

truth

but not gospel

the griot in us will come full circle


i'll be back w/some mur




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Hmmm. I'd have to think about this abit. I'll post sumin tomorrow.


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" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

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"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
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12. "here's what i've been thinkin about"
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i'm sure i've said it before, anyway, because this is something i believe very deeply in.

the west developed much more rapidly that the east, stepping on heads in order to lift themselves, but the culture and practices that they/we created came too fast and without enuf forethought and are rapidly bringing about destruction on many different fronts, as evidenced from not only the corporate corruption, ridiculous bureaucracies, violence and violent orientations, disease from chemical ingestion, disease from man-made creation, environmental exploitation and destruction, dishonesty, messed up values, etc.

well, these messed up critters have managed to impose their halfhashed values on too many people BUT a change in value structure may be enuf to really save what is left of the world that we live in

there is a significant advantage to delayed development & that is choice. the important next step is to spread the word that there are choices, what those choices are & why/how they pay off, which includes both finding fault with current systems despite a no-fault-finding ethic and finding strengths in sustainability that has a crossover appeal

one more advantage that africans and african americans have is a cultural isolation and partially separate value structure/culture.

so it seems to me that the goal is to nurture and develop values that africans & african americans hold, such as orientations toward community, family & religion.

given that, i would suggest that a black future month should focus on the strengths of african & african american culture, the successes of african & african american people within that framework, the sustainability of african ways of life & a comparison of quality of life on these basis. from there, the discussion should focus on using the strengths of african & african american people to develop in a sustainable and strong way, forming a line of development that will/can prosper long after the western ways have self destructed.

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15. "whatcha thinkin'"
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>there is a significant advantage to delayed development &
>that is choice. the important next step is to spread the
>word that there are choices, what those choices are &
>why/how they pay off, which includes both finding fault with
>current systems despite a no-fault-finding ethic and finding
>strengths in sustainability that has a crossover appeal

I agree with you, but is there not still a "catching up" dynamic that we have to deal with? I am thinking of the example of something like fuel - Europe is installing hydrogen filling stations and BMW is going ahead w/ production on hydro cars - less than 6 months. The west in this case is going to have to deal with following instead of leading unless as you say - they self-destruct first (We have to wait 5 years after all to get the level of arsenic reduced in NYC water)

>so it seems to me that the goal is to nurture and develop
>values that africans & african americans hold, such as
>orientations toward community, family & religion.

The only thing I would add is to nurture and develop an actual relationship - nurture not necessarily an identity but identifiability (i.e. "I can relate") that we currently don't share on either side.

You do however, have the lock on the most comprehensive "answer" I've heard in a minute. I thank you for restating it

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16. "catching up"
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the whole idea of catching up comes from the belief that the western way of life is the norm

i think solarus had the best example: a village has a way of getting water that is inconvenient but has been their way of life for many thousands of years. in comes a peace corps who says "i can't believe u don't purify yr water!" they install a makeshift purifier. as the purifier sours, so does the water. and the village has a drought.

this sense of a need for development has brought about many of the horrific problems that plague africa and african americans today.

why not choose which developments make sense by evaluating them for sustainability and using common sense?

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19. "RE: catching up"
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>the whole idea of catching up comes from the belief that the
>western way of life is the norm

I hear you but that's why I used the example of hydro fuel - the western way of life has flaws yes - and some countries are seeing those flaws (given, for different reasons) & are moving ahead w/ a better thought out solutions like clean burning fuel. Catching up - the way I'm referring to it anyway - is more in realization that certain technological advances will have to made in order to do anything globally. Otherwise we remain isolated - not a good idea - at this point anyway.

>i think solarus had the best example: a village has a way of
>getting water that is inconvenient but has been their way of
>life for many thousands of years. in comes a peace corps who
>says "i can't believe u don't purify yr water!" they install
>a makeshift purifier. as the purifier sours, so does the
>water. and the village has a drought.
>
>this sense of a need for development has brought about many
>of the horrific problems that plague africa and african
>americans today.

That is a good example - but aren't there also non-developments that have brought about horrific problems? I'm not trying to be facetious - but I do think it's a 2-sided argument which is why I agree w/ your next statement

>why not choose which developments make sense by evaluating
>them for sustainability and using common sense?

This is definitely the way to go - I didn't mean we should whole-heartedly adopt all of western societal constructs - just that in some arenas we are playing catch up - not just us but Americans in general (how long are we going to keep insisting on burning oil, polluting/poisoning ourselves, etc).

I think that's why this is such a good discussion - we can't make proper evaluations unless we attempt to scope out/speculate on the future which would of course include future needs.

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22. "nondevelopments"
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the best example of problems resulting from nondevelopment that i can think of is on the medical side of things. think of all of the ailments that, with technology, are easy to heal but without lead to death. for example, i would have died in childbirth without the few interior stitches that i needed.

from what i hear, people in less developed countries and countries with less access to medical care have death, sickness, injury & disability more deeply integrated in their lives. there are some advantages to this as well, such as a familiarity with death (and birth for that matter), greater cultural sensitivity to disability, lack of an unnatural norm, no life support and extended chemo pain, ..... but when yr talking about people close to u especially, it's very difficult to imagine not helping when the technology does exist.

it's difficult to say where effective medical borders need to be drawn, but i do believe that 75% of it is hooey.

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17. "convenience"
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the convenience ethic has been a major source of cultural contamination. in the name of convenience, we have machines to do all of our work forus and then we have to specifically go to gyms in order to recover the physical activity that should be an integrated part of our lives from teh get-go.

think about it. happiness is the journey, not the destination.

communities who have to walk distances for their water, for example, can enjoy the walk and the fellowship and appreciate the water. but instead we get our water from a tap, waste it like crazy, and run on treadmills (& suffer unbelievably high rates of obesity)

on taht same note, what does a car do for u?

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18. "I agree totally"
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I was thinking about that today as I was taking the stairs while this lady waited for an elevator at the park 'n ride for awhile. Why do we need an elevator to walk down 4 flights of stairs? Why do we need one period?

I think that technological advance is natural, and will happen, becuase we have the capacity to create short cuts ( I imagine in Africa's hey-day they probrably housed some of the most tech-advanced civilizations a/t/t). My thing is...simplifiy. But how far is too far? I really like my blender, and my fridge.


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" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

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"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
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20. "stairs blender and fridge"
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living near the top of a high rise, i really appreciate the helloutta the elevator- but, w/o elevators the buildings would just be shorter, which is cool with me

as for the fridge, my african in-laws tell me that in back home the food stays fresher much longer without a fridge. i suspect that sum of our genetic engineering and processing has lead us to food that spoils much quicker

i love my blender, but i could definitely live without it. for example, i sue it to make baby food, but i was amzed to see my husband mash up food for our daughter using a cylindrical container on the counter- he just rolled it out to mash. easy. simple. quick.

i suppose life without machines requires more creativity and more muscle

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21. "you are right"
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at my grandparent's farm in JA they really don;t use a fridge, and they just mash up everthing without processors.


"Let's get this clear right now...I'm poor. I'm lonely. I'm a revolutionary without a revolution. And I'm four months behind on a car payment." Professor Griff

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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such a different way of life- (at least, the parts i've been to)- a lot more walking in order to get from place to place, fresh fruit everywhere, animals everywhere, hand laundry, limited transportation, cultural isolation, ......

overall the quality of life is compleeeeeeeeetly different

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25. "all excellent points."
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if i can do an emeril and reduce it down to the carmelized goodness, it still comes down to the "we could, but should we" question.

w/ the exception here that you've added multiple dimensions on which to evaluate, *not* (and being a techie, i tend to do this) based purely on savings in time, convenience, automation, etc. the problem here (and one which, implicitly trying to tackle with this whole extrapolative line of thought), is that these side effects, the cultural residue of technological advancement is not always obvious from the outset. and most especially for folks busy looking back, or totally consumed/overwhelmed with day to day livin'. fr'instance, yeah, a visa check card means that i don't have to carry cash around, but it also means that somebody gets the card and can jack my identity (not to mention bank account), and that airy beer run to the local supermarket is now resident in someone's B.A.D. (big-ass database) waiting to be collated and interpolated and God knows what else.

also, there's another key dynamic. often, the impact assessment lags the innovative technology. for instance, those folks who started burning and refining oil (forms of which have been used since biblical times and back into pre-history, probably) in its current form really lacked the science to predict or verify the potential ecological nightmare (pollution, global warming) let alone the secondary and tertiary negatives (cultural shifts and disruptions to the family as a result of the industrial revolution). and other effects (like the excesses and exploitation of the oil barrons) were 'fueled' (forgive the pun) by the new energy sources, but hardly represent a departure from the more exploitive aspects that have characterized western civilization for centuries.

which is why i like these discussions, cuz it will take this kind of deep dive to develop a 'way' of thinking about these things, so that we can anticipate negatives and positives from change, and prepare ourselves accordingly.

and to my unitarian friends, i know that these issues are bigger than just black people, so feel free to build/add-on as you see fit, but coming from a group of people who've had particular things done to us to retard our collective progress, and find ourselves at comparative disadvantage, we have a responsibility to ourselves to look at specific ways to remedy the situation.



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26. "in a lot of cases"
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even without the tools to do a valid impact assessment common sense should say "hello! if u burn these dangerous materials u will hurt the world around u! somehow!" even without the tools to discern that molarphones are bad, common sense shouild tell u that putting a radiation-emitting body in yr teeth will hurt yr mouth.

it's too bad common sense is so long gone

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27. "exactly...I guess"
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Noone thought of the impact on the rain forrest when they decided that lovely furniture was more important that wild ecosystems, or that perhaps there might be something to those "local" medicinal uses for the vegetation found there.

Or how important a species of plant or animal is to a ecosystem.

But we know now, and still don't care.


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" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


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28. "that's because the developers"
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are/were outsiders who are just now discovering medicinal/etc that the locals have known forever

no vested interest

the first rule of thumb should be "let the locals do it" but these people get infected with these ridiculous western notions and sell out their land and soul for money

i wish i could give all the resources back, have a good long talk and start all over again

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85. "beautifully stated"
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i've thought that myself, but never quite knew how to phrase it.

i've read some anthropological work (mostly diop...i plan to find other good authors when i finish the other 10 books i'm reading...lol) on the different ways cultures developed and how that development shaped them. it's unfortunate that people have not seen the benefits in "delayed" development.

conversely, it's total insanity that people are unwilling to open their eyes to what technology and "civilization" have made of the planet.

it's all about balance.

great thoughts.


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89. "you do that, too (10 books...)"
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>i've read some anthropological work (mostly diop...i plan to
>find other good authors when i finish the other 10 books i'm
>reading...lol)

we'll have to list them separately -- i'm reading two by Amos Wilson (on psychological dev't of the black child, etc), 2 by Charles Finch (echoes... and on on african math & science), some s.f. (collection of stories based on asimov's 'i robot'), some terry pratchett, some financial stuff (Rich Dad, Poor Dad), and a bunch of other inexplicable shit is on deck (Dancing Wu Li Masters). occasionally i have bursts of reading and finish a couple and replace them on the list with others.

which Diop are you reading? first chapter or two (civ. or barb, af origins...) are ALWAYS tough w/ him as he goes through the anthropological ish -- but its the burden/curse of black scholarship to necessarily err on the side of being exhaustive and hyper-rigorous.

*not that its a bad thing, but we have to expend so much effort in making the works bulletproof, that it can detract from the readability. for that reason, if i'm trying to put somebody else on, i'll give 'em Anthony Browder's "Nile Valley Contributions To Civilization" which still cites Diop and several other credible authors and researchers, but which is written in a plainer, more accessible style

u find the same to be the case?

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91. "bona fide book junkie"
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& i'm actually thinking of getting a part time gig @ a bookstore...

god help me *grin*

>>we'll have to list them separately -- i'm reading two by
>Amos Wilson (on psychological dev't of the black child,
>etc),

that's EXACTLY the kind of stuff i need to get back into. since i left school, i've let myself get out of touch. my mom is cleaning out my old room & i found some old research papers. i kept a few & i'm going to go thru my bibliographies & look up some of that stuff...see what the updates are.

>occasionally i have bursts of
>reading and finish a couple and replace them on the list
>with others.

tell me about it...along w/ all the historical stuff i'm into (why didn't i know about howard zinn YEARS ago???? lol), i'm reading the bible & koran, some buddhist texts (that's been since college lol), & dabbling w/ a translation of the book of the dead. and then there's the huey newton reader in my bag...

that makes me tired just thinking about it lol.


>which Diop are you reading? first chapter or two (civ. or
>barb, af origins...)

"precolonial black africa"...but i'll probably have to reread. i lost focus, & when i read his books i can't retain much if i have a lot on my plate. i finished "The Cultural Unity of Black Africa" some time ago, but i want to reread that as well.


>
>*not that its a bad thing, but we have to expend so much
>effort in making the works bulletproof, that it can detract
>from the readability.

yeah diop is definitely an academic writer. & i never read him w/out a dictionary close by (lol). dr. ben seems to be more readable as well. i'm trying *not* to look up more authors right now 'cause i know i'll go on a spending spree...but i'll definitely hit u up when i finish what i've got going.

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93. "we need a support group or suttin."
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>& i'm actually thinking of getting a part time gig @ a
>bookstore...
>
>god help me *grin*

back before my career took off, i had a part time gig at Barnes & Noble (now why he go and do that?). my wife was like, do they even *give* your ass a paycheck or does it all go into lattes and obscure books? *i stand convicted*. it was fun though. should have copped anarch* cookbook when i had the chance. if i bought that ish now, i'd be on all kindsa lists (in addition to the ones i'm already on, no doubt).

>
>>>we'll have to list them separately -- i'm reading two by
>>Amos Wilson (on psychological dev't of the black child,
>>etc),
>
>that's EXACTLY the kind of stuff i need to get back into.
>since i left school, i've let myself get out of touch. my
>mom is cleaning out my old room & i found some old research
>papers. i kept a few & i'm going to go thru my
>bibliographies & look up some of that stuff...see what the
>updates are.

f'real, f'real. i got kids (but i copped the book late, my youngest is going to 1st grade and he really speaks on stuff you said on an earlier thread about the home environment, particularly from birth to pre-k -- but i read it as affirmation based on stuff we've already consciously/unconsciously done).


>
>>occasionally i have bursts of
>>reading and finish a couple and replace them on the list
>>with others.
>
>tell me about it...along w/ all the historical stuff i'm
>into (why didn't i know about howard zinn YEARS ago????
>lol), i'm reading the bible & koran, some buddhist texts
>(that's been since college lol), & dabbling w/ a translation
>of the book of the dead. and then there's the huey newton
>reader in my bag...

forgot, i've been reading the bible, too, starting w/ the NT. also, i have a link to an online version of the book of coming forth by day and by night (Book Of The Dead), that i haven't gotten past a couple of pages on. add to that, Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, for which i also have a link. that joint is like $75 in bookstores, but its available all online, so i would want to go back and find that and dl it, even if i can't read it any time soon, just in case whoever put it up goes away, yunno?


>that makes me tired just thinking about it lol.

co-*sigh*

>>which Diop are you reading? first chapter or two (civ. or
>>barb, af origins...)
>
>"precolonial black africa"...but i'll probably have to
>reread. i lost focus, & when i read his books i can't retain
>much if i have a lot on my plate. i finished "The Cultural
>Unity of Black Africa" some time ago, but i want to reread
>that as well.

i think 'african origins: myth or reality' includes l'unite d' (whatever the frence name for cultural unity of black africa), and includes updates and *gasp* more footnotes.

>>
>>*not that its a bad thing, but we have to expend so much
>>effort in making the works bulletproof, that it can detract
>>from the readability.
>
>yeah diop is definitely an academic writer. & i never read
>him w/out a dictionary close by (lol). dr. ben seems to be
>more readable as well. i'm trying *not* to look up more
>authors right now 'cause i know i'll go on a spending
>spree...but i'll definitely hit u up when i finish what i've
>got going.

doc ben is my boy, and i concur. however, you gotta get past that horrible typography. i got a big, green copy of Abu-Simbel to Giza, and shit looks like it was typed on a selectric with a bad ribbon, and then photocopied on the first xerox ever made. the info is good, though.

black classic press or somebody need to update it just to improve the quality of the presentation, though.

why is it, that after we ain't in school any more, we still have this mindset like we're gonna get more reading done in the summer? that ain't right/true.

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94. "FINCH!!!"
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Is the friggin' man! I have and read both books - the Sci & Math TWICE - so hurry up and finish that so we can build-n-stuff.

He's quite readable also.

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24. "y'know,"
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these are *exactly* the kinds of conversations i love the most around here

thank u

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29. "RE: Black Future Month, redux."
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Minor thought, but holds some weight: Are we going to change our heritage name as a people, i.e. Negro, Colored, Black, African-Americans...NeoNumbians?

I heard the name used by Louis Gates in his doc. It might sound silly but names do hold weight.

As for the Black Future month, I would like to see the black church, mosque and other African and Black religous/political(NAACP)/financial based organizations work to uplift its congregation. Similar to the church posted in the WSJ that helps its members become and learn to stay debt-free.
If an institution is unwilling to help free black folks of debt, then to hell w/ that institution and build a better one.
Being debt free should be our first step to insuring our kids of a positive future.

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30. "skip gates is the man."
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I'm not sure about that name tho...

"Let's get this clear right now...I'm poor. I'm lonely. I'm a revolutionary without a revolution. And I'm four months behind on a car payment." Professor Griff

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


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31. "upperation."
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n/m

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32. "^up...what the hell happened to the board? shit."
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you leave for 2 hours and shit just goes to hell...on with the convo.


"Let's get this clear right now...I'm poor. I'm lonely. I'm a revolutionary without a revolution. And I'm four months behind on a car payment." Professor Griff

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


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there's no interest

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34. "long ass post by samuel r. delany"
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black sf writer. he's looking out toward the year 3000. this is helpful for expanding the bounds of the discussion...



Sci-fi Novelist Samuel R. Delany Imagines New York City Circa 3000
Future Shock
by Samuel R. Delany


he first scene of "The Graveyard Heart," by the late
science-fiction writer Roger Zelazny, takes place at a party on New
Year's Eve of the year 2000. It's a tale of fabulous wealth, beautiful
women, and tiny ceramic dogs; of people who behave like vampires,
and love that spans the centuries. It's a story I plan to reread on
the big evening, as I wait to see if the lights stay on past midnight
or if my word processor still works the next morning. It's hard to
believe that story was written almost 40 years ago. But it's a tale
to send the mind ahead to contemplate what science fiction
suggests the future might actually hold, once it gets here—as, with
or without us, it inevitably does.

My best hope for New York City is that having persisted for a few hundred years into the third millennium,
it will be remembered as the greatest city of the last century of the second millennium. In 3000 it may be
recalled as rich, romantic, horrifying in many of its aspects, with a rep-utation much like the Athens of
classical Greece has today, or possibly Rome; or maybe the medieval Paris of the murderer, thief, and poet
Francois Villon. If we're lucky, New York City might survive as an exotic name, like Nineveh or Syberisis;
but if the culture continues to change at its present rate, New York's legacy might be more like that of
Cambodia's Angkor Wat—a deserted space, forgotten and overgrown, somewhere in the world that
foreigners rarely visit.

But what might happen along the way?

Science fiction of the last 25 or so years has a number of standby scenarios that, now and again, one
writer or another has brought to bear on the prospects of tomorrow.

When the author of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Arthur C. Clarke, said, so many years ago, "Any truly
advanced technology will look to us like magic," he could have had nanotechnology in mind—that "very
small" technology where computer science meets microbiology. Imagine tiny, very simple computers, each
no larger than a molecule, each of which can perform only the simplest tasks, like turning off and on and
letting the molecule next to it know which state it's in. Now imagine billions of these molecular-sized
computers working together to solve problems of internal physical chemistry far more complicated than
any we can solve alone, including the problem of their own reproduction—that is, imagine computers built
on the model of the growing, organic brain, rather than on the model of the fixed and limited electronic
diode.

In science fiction, nanotechnology suggests scenarios such as: You spray a mess of properly programmed
computer foam over a junked car lot near Coney Island, say, and the whole thing begins to hiss, bubble,
and steam. Twenty-four hours later, the hundreds of junked chassis have been transformed into a
50-story office building, standing firm on the site, complete with functioning doors and windows. Or you
get a bit of the stuff on your hand; as it enters through the skin, it turns you into a dog or a dolphin or a
pig—or into a writhing blob of sentient computer foam yourself. Or ... it kills you.

With or without nanotechnology, I suspect, a new plastic or ceramic, notably cheaper and stronger than
steel, will come along to change architecture and the look of urban dwellings and work spaces entirely.
(Science fiction writer Joanna Russ once called the stuff "Gleepsite.") Will this result in more people living
in smaller spaces or more people being able to spread out? Helped along with a little nanotech, dwellings
could easily spread down into the earth the way they once towered into the sky. At any rate, it will
create a difference in "urban life" notably greater than the difference between life in, say, 10th-century
Paris—a walled island in the middle of the Seine where wolves sometimes broke in and roamed the streets
at night—and life in New York now.

Back in 1984 Greg Bear, whose novel Blood Music is still the best introduction to the subject, suggested
nanotech was not 300 or 400 years away, but a mere generation or two. Well, the Big Industrial
Technology of today often becomes the domestic technology of tomorrow. Imagine, a few decades after
the big changes, say, in the 2090s, when ordinary people have access to nanotech (the way today every
fourth or fifth homeless guy wears a Walkman with sound quality that would have blasted a 1950s "Hi-Fi"
enthusiast right out of his rumpus room). Suppose you could carry in a toothpaste tube the nanotech
stuff to build a pretty decent one or two room house out of whatever junk happened to be lying around.
And suppose that, after you were finished with it, the stuff went back into the toothpaste tube of its own
accord so that you could use it again. Press, squeeze, and you're a little less homeless—at least for the
night. As ever, though, I imagine the police will still come by early in the morning with toothpaste tubes of
their own, full of foam specially programmed to dissasemble the hastily constructed shelters back into
junk; and the again-homeless will be told to move on.

What about inequality? Enough people have been thinking about the problems of racial and gender
oppression over the last 200 years that I wouldn't be surprised if those were finally done away with, and
relatively soon (in another 150 years or so). The solutions, though, when they come, would be as hard for
many of us alive today to understand as the solution to the problem of witchcraft and demonic possession
would have been for, say, witch-hunting minister Cotton Mather. Imagine old Cotton, fresh from the Salem
trails of the 1790s, asking today's New York lawyer: "How did you finally solve the problem of witchcraft
and demonic possession?"

Our present-day lawyer scratches his head: "Well, finally we realized there weren't any such things as
witches and demons. They were just misperceptions and personal projections—often about real estate, so
history tells us—egged on by superstition." Cotton would rack him and the entire postmodern world up as
nut cases.

Well, if one of us were to ask a New Yorker of a few centuries hence, "How did you solve the problem of
race hostility and gender oppression?" I'm pretty sure the answer will be much the same: "We finally
realized there weren't any such things as races or genders either. . . . "

Cheek by jowl with nanotechnology is science fiction's notion of cyberspace as an abstract space, a giant
planetary storehouse for information. (The idea comes from William Gibson's 1984 novel, Neuromancer.) Is
it possible that some part of the Web might become so complicated that it comes to life? Might it be
hostile to us? Suppose it's clever enough to take over machines and build Terminator-like creatures to do
us battle? Personally I don't think that's very likely, but I do think the problem of the 21st century is going
to be the problem of misinformation. And we'd better solve it by the 22nd century, or we will have another
reason not to entertain much hope for cities—or, indeed, any kind of civilization a millennium hence.

Why is this? In the same way bad money drives out good, misinformation drives out information. (Every six
months or so, a friend will sweep the Net and print 20 or 30 pages of this "information" about me.
Inevitably about a fifth of it is wrong, from the spelling of my name to the sex of my child to the
publication dates and titles of my books.) Unless information is stabilized by a strong evaluative filter,
such as science, with its controlled experiments and repeatable results, it gets swamped by simpler,
stabler misinformation. If the people who design and run the Web don't develop reliable ways to evaluate
and stabilize information, the Internet may become the agent of social chaos.

Carefully evaluated, accurate information may indeed become so precious that gangs will "roam" around in
cyberspace, stealing it from one stronghold or another, plotting to hijack it, hoarding and selling it, while
data saboteurs hoarding and selling good information and replacing it with bad—in order to drive up the
price of the good stuff—eat up the scientific legacy of the last 300 years the way the oil-based economy
has eaten up nature's reserve of hydrocarbon fuels. As the pundits of the 26th century will constantly
reiterate, while the store of accurate information is indeed being replaced, it is being replaced at nowhere
near the rate at which it's being erased, forgotten, and eroded.

Genetic engineering is another of science fiction's favorite solutions to pretty much all problems. If
progress had left the world notably harsher than it is today, genetic dispositions from diabetes and
osteoporosis to dyslexia and color blindness might have bred themselves out of the gene pool by now
through natural selection. On the upside, however, our increased population and the greater ease of
survival in developed countries means there's likely to be more random genetic advancement. Because
positive factors may be connected (that is, fall on the same chromosome) with negative ones, it may take
genetic engineers to collect the good stuff and separate it out from the bad. The problem, of course, is
how to tell which is which. Nature's gross way (what survives is good; what doesn't, isn't) turns out to be
pretty complicated after all—which is the major lesson of ecology.

Suppose, for example, that the rate of appearance of new genetic anomalies, good or bad, has been fixed
by evolution at the optimum level for species survival and that either increasing or decreasing that number
may be lethal for our species. Genetic engineering might give us circus rides with real unicorns and giraffes
with wings, as well as new antibiotics produced by genetically engineered molds. But it could also give us
a world-wide epidemic to make the Black Death or influenza look like the sniffles.

Which brings us to what might lead to New York City's decline. In a few hundred years, perhaps an
epidemic or a nuclear strike in some war we haven't even imagined might finally force people to decide
that the risks of living in such close proximity to one another are just greater than the benefits. And there
is always that Armageddon-style asteroid that could give the world a thump. But don't you think it's even
more likely that it might start with some nut case—say on a New Year's Eve, 300 or 400 years from
now—who goes down to Times Square (torn down, rebuilt, torn down, then rebuilt by some historically
minded antiquarians) to stand around and watch the ball fall—only he shows up in the crowd of 20,000
with 12 sticks of very old-fashioned dynamite strapped to his body (it's so primitive no one even thinks of
it much: but then, the 26th century is a retro age) and sets himself off at midnight in the crowd and the
world watches 500 or 700 people killed and another few thousand maimed in the confusion.

We've seen people desert the city before. But give us the right catastrophe, and people will start leaving
as fast as the new "mag-lev" train (that's magnetic levitation: they're already zipping around in Japan at
twice the speeds of Amtrak) can carry them!

As much of a city lover as I am, I still suspect that, whatever brings its end about, the Great City as we
have it today—an enclave of two million to 10 million inhabitants embroiled in culture, commerce, and
capital—just can't hang together for an entire thousand years. It's too large and unwieldy, too likely to
break up after a few centuries or so and disperse in general sprawl or what sociologists call "edge cities."
Consider: There were no cities of more than a million inhabitants before 1800. In 1850 the population of
Manhattan was only 500 thousand people with another 200 thousand scattered among the other four
boroughs. The population passed the million mark only around 1875. The mega-population center is
entirely the result of 19th century industrialization. Only with the advent of steam, iron, glass, electricity,
and concomitant transportation advances could those river-and-market communities that had attracted
folks around them into a growing township import enough food and materials for life and manufacture and
export its growing number of goods—and get rid of a million or so people's garbage. The really big city may
just be a 200-to-500-year historical flash-in-the-pan.

The late French historian Fernand Braudel estimated the economic moorings holding New York to its
position as the capital of the 20th century started to slip in 1974. All over the world great cities will
probably start to break up when our oil-based energy system is depleted in another 75 to 125 years.
There's only a limited amount of oil under the ground and we've already used up a good deal of it. It's
historical arrogance to expect the entire structure of the Great City to persevere intact like the pyramids
or the Parthenon.

Meanwhile, out at the what once was La Guardia Airport, on the cracked and abandoned runways, those
jerry-rigged nanotech homes of the homeless go up and down, up and down, day after day, because air
travel as we know it today will no longer exist. Virtual travel will be cheaper and will use no oil-based fuel.
In effect, people will scan themselves into their computers and then e-mail themselves wherever they
want to go, or else hop onto a browser and, well, browse through space. Actual movement of people over
long distances will become more and more restricted to the very rich who wish it for more and more
eccentric reasons.

And Times Square? Well, the big movie industry will have folded for good. That's because your home
computer will create Hollywood-style movies from scratch if you simply type in the topic and the kind of
story you want to see. (I actually saw demonstrations of some prototype programs for this the last time I
was up at MIT's media lab.) These films can star anyone you like—any movie star, or, indeed, yourself or
your friends, if you just feed in a few pictures. So with only an art film market, the 13 theaters in the now
dilapidated, 100-year-old E-Walk have become the site of Live Sex Shows, their names changed from the
Majestic, the Imperial, and the Crown to the Anthony Comstock, the Mary Baker Eddy, and the Rudolph
Giuliani.

By the time we get to 3000, I suspect even the United States itself will have long since been absorbed by
other national configurations. (Historically, national boundaries are even less stable than the cities within
them.) The most widely spoken language not only on Earth but in the several interplanetary colonies that
will have grown up on Mars, Venus, and the moons of Saturn and Jupiter (and a dozen more on the moons
of the gas giants circling a few of the nearer stars) will be some dialect of (I pick one out of a hat: we
just know it won't be English) Tagalog. The history of its rise to prominence over 150 years will be at least
as complex and intricate as the history of France's rise once was when it became, for a century or so, the
lingua franca of the world—before it gave way to English. Finally, allowed to dig along the rim of that
island in whatever they're calling the Hudson River in those distant days, a few archaeologists may look
curiously at all those ancient nanotech toothpaste tubes turning up in their excavations as reminders of a
long-since superseded technology. And, hunting in the ruins of cyberspace for accurate accounts of the
English language and accurate examples of texts written in it, a few scholars will, I hope, now and again
retrieve some notion of the glory that was Brooklyn, the marvel that was Staten Island, and the grandeur
that was the Bronx as well as the wonder that once flourished on that island in their midst.

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35. "Good article - now a long-ass reply"
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Okay! Diving right in....

Sci-fi makes us all look to the future - it is in my opinion one of the most poignant forms of social commentary. Many of the things sci-fi writers envision are formed into projects that scientists actually try to achieve - i.e. Georgia Tech's communicator from Star Trek (the original) where your badge is your locator and communication device. I can imagine tapping a broche on my collar bone *tweak tweak*, "Navie here - the sam-hell is going on?" (yes I will live over 200 years and will still use sam-hell)

Some things however, just aren't practical or typical - I'm not even going to get into possible - as in the government's long defunct projects on trying to develop a flying saucer - supposedly first suggested in a comic book (I ain't touchin' area 51).

Conspiracy theory:
Many sci-fi writers entertain the idea of some socio-political overlord controlling lives in the future (1984), and certainly we can see similarities in our lives today that would seem to point in that direction. I am encouraged by people who don't believe in the formation of some ominous over-powering all-seeing eye (Mos Def: "they could never really do that") but I think we don't realize that some of these threats we could be inducing - basically by our inaction toward a possible overlord (2000 election) and our willingness to forget, i.e. sleep while history is revised before we're even middle-aged. The problem of supremacy plagues current world leaders, and this is the reason the current operational policy of the US lessens its shot at longevity.

To contemplate the future - let's go back in the past. Ancient Egypt... do we know much about this society? It's mostly speculation over what we can piece together from what's remaining. One thing is certain - even through it's different ruling dynasties - the culture, the social structure, the civilian habitation - lasted a really really loooonnnng time. What societies today have a record like that?

The historical socio-political constructs that are responsible for America's current existence will basically contribute to its demise - I don't see it lasting as long as the Greco-Roman empire much less Kemet. For instance, people like to debate the issue of slavery in ancient civilizations - I'm sorry - but there is no people that will tolerate (or possibly survive) chattel slavery for thousands upon thousands of years. Granted slavery didn't go on here for thousands of years, but it has pervaded this short history. Obviously longevity doesn't come from marginalizing, brutalizing, feudalizing, or de-humanizing any portion of your population. America's new - perhaps it hasn't yet learned this lesson in the past 225+ years ... but maybe its leaders are stupid enough to think "this time we're gonna master supremacy - others before us just didn't know how to do it".

So what are the realistic socio-political factors that will contribute toward our future existence (granted of course that our current leaders don't get into a pissing contest & blow us all up):

Transpo/living space - I do not believe we'll be zipping through cyberspace - I do believe that magnetics will pervade transpo ops - afterward - electron polarization (magnetics on molecular level) - I see us in floating capsules. I do believe the US as we know it will crumble if they insist on burning oil while the rest of the world leaves us behind breathing cleaner air. NYC will live however - corporations will finally take over operations in mega cities - skyscraper cities even (these are currently in design) and will leave behind those in rural areas - the poor being pushed back out to the stix. There will be no homeless nano-styro-tempo-cribbo. They will not be allowed into the city (Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower - or hell - even Judge Dred).

Genetics - you already know how I feel - but to address the issue of a super-virus getting out - I have to respectfully hope that doesn't happen but at the same time know that it could happen any moment just like nuclear bombing.

Education - I believe we'll ultimately be educating ourselves - as education (interesting about the information "market") becomes a high demand item but only in the interests of an individuals marketability. Teachers and others in the "education industry" will be top dog. The only way a "market" of information could be formed is if there is demand. If our current interest in politics and society is any indication... seems we'll be happy enough with revised history every other week or so. "Pure" information will be relegated to readin', writin' & arithmetic.

Entertainment - we will always have a human version of this - I too have seen MIT's movie-machine and it still leaves much to be desired - so do most Bruckheimer films but that's another discussion. At any rate there will always be a layman's version of entertainment - it's the nature of entertainment! People will always want to gather to hear some beats and/or rhymes. This is one thing that has survived all the dynasties - all across time - the only relative variance has been its social importance (and the fatness of the beats & rhymes).

Finally - inequality - there will be a time when class is the singular populus' divide... I think unfortunately that won't be because supremacist minds will become greater minds as the writer suggests of our former witch-hunting past.

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36. "wow. great ideas..."
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(can't reply now as i'm still on deadline working on my piece and about to be on the road for vac. for a couple days).

on the real, though, i agree with most of your analysis. and esp on the importance of sf. have you ever read "Dune" by Frank Herbert (actually, the trilogy and then some).

he wrote that in the 60's, and he had sooo many things in that it was incredible. messianic leadership. people vs. machines. hyper-capitalism and class stratification on a planetary level. drug culture/expanded awareness. gender roles. all of that in a way that was so real and immediate, intricately detailed and plausible.

of course he was extrapolating out multiple millenia, but the underlying issues he dealt with were still human, recognizable and relevant.

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38. "I love Dune"
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Another take on ancient Egypt tho (alot of people don't know that - he didn't even bother changing some of the names - I feel he may have studied Budge & others)

Also - I must recant my disbelief in being "beamed around" - another Star Trek-inspired invention - the author HAD to know what I just found out over the weekend (guess I'm late)

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/06/17/aust.startrek/index.html

Tho the article doesn't say so - over the weekend I saw an actual update on CNN International where they talked to the scientists and showed video of the transmission stream "we were able to recreate this in a stable environment hundreds of times - matter is not that far away"

Now we need to talk on THAT - here's some scary stuff my husband & I started thinking if they get into teleporting matter:

1. A bomb could just appear in "terrorist headquarters"... or the neighbors if they're off a little

2. Cops could just show up in your living room - stopping you in your drawers while you watch "Survivor" or something: "GET ON THE FLOOR!!"

3. A fly (or in NYC - a west nile virus mosquito) could get in that mug and alter your DNA....

G-love - where you check in on this??

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39. "that 'fly' idea sounds original."
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that would make a good movie.

feel you on the bombs thing. specially if we're the only ones w/ the technology. ish would just be showing up. like the landshark.

*knock knock knock*

"who is it?"

"bomb-gram"

"?"

ka-boom!


from what i've read thus far on teleportation (ie, didn't click your particular link yet), they are focusing primarily on the ability to recreate configurations of electrons, having the effect of being an ultrafast mechanism for the transmission of data. but if that's applied to matter, that does raise some serious questions. it would be *valley accent* wayy kewl if they could pull it off, but like i mentioned above, we ain't fully dealt with the repercussions of the invention of fire yet, so this takes us to some next level potential for catastrophe.

with those star trek replicators (where they be makin cups of soup an coffee out of nowhere), i assume conservation of matter dictates that the machine at least have the raw materials on hand to work with. like mad carbon and hydrogen atoms? we'll be filling up the molecular barbecue pit with charcoal and water and get a steak (sorry veggies) out the other end? hmm.

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41. "LOL!!!"
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Yeah that bomb-o-gram would NOT be the move. (in Jiminy Glick voice) "I love you Chevy Chase".

Anyway yeah I'm workin' on my fly-in-the-genetic-soup idea for a script (how'd you know?) I'm thinking of calling it "Maggot Man"... or maybe place it in the home of a southern migrant to NYC and call it either "Skeeter" or "Skeeter on the Nile" - I gotta work on it. Obviously the makers of Aqua Teen Hunger Force have been bugging my apartment - they switched it up w/ a cloning machine (which Shake dropped his brownies into) producing Chocolate Moths. Talk about catastrophe!! That ALSO would not be the move.

But seriously tho - the real deal is time travel - the issue with housing the quantum-equation in a super-computer seems like it will soon no longer exist - setting up the ability for time/space bend (hence teleporting) but more importantly - going back to ancient Egypt so I can just warn them about Alexander the Hatin'....

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37. "up"
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keep hope alive

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45. "d to tha itto. (thanks, g)."
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42. "article's done."
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on its way to copy. let me know what you think. (i'm kinda like, 'eh', cuz i didn't have space to go deep into things like i wanted, but i view it more as a point of departure for future exploration.


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Lookin' Out

The Sankofa bird, an icon of the Akan people of West Africa, is depicted as flying while
facing the opposite direction, symbolizing the importance of looking backward to move
forward--or, more colloquially, the need for a people to understand where they've been in
order to understand where they're going. Black folk have got the "looking back' part on lock."
We've had to fight to reclaim our history, our heritage, our birthright and realize that an
understanding of our past is crucial if we're going to improve our current conditions.
But where is the vision that takes our present conditions as a starting point, and says, "If
we had to do it ALL by ourselves, where could we, should we be in five years, 10, 20, 30--a
century?" What changes and trends are on the horizon, and what can we do in the present to
position ourselves for where we want to be in the future?

The thing is, black folk have existed for the vast majority of our history in this country as
"invisible men" in the Ralph Ellison sense. That legacy tends to exempt us from being
considered as "invisible men" in the H.G. Wells sense. That is to say, we've been absent until
very recently from America's collective imagination of an idealized future. Or worse, we're
projected forward as a threat -- the '*moor*locks' to their 'eloi'.

With an nod to our past struggles, we must stake out our seats at the lunch counters of the
future before they're even built. To do so, we need to cultivate black futurists--visionaries
who can look at where society's been, where it is, and extrapolate where it's going. More
importantly, we need to provide ways for them to share their insights with the broader
community: parents, teachers, students, activists, clergy, workers, businesspeople--basically
everyone whose actions today will help shape the future.

As a step in that direction, here are some thoughts on a few areas of focus that will be
critical to our collective prospect.

-- *What's New?*

Within the last five years, in particular, rapid technological change has profoundly impacted
our lives. The proliferation of the Internet and cell phones has brought sweeping changes in
how we communicate--changes we're still trying to understand. I can and do converse regularly
with folks from across the globe, from Boston to Belgium, New York to New Zealand, Georgia to
Ghana, holding discussions in real time that would have taken weeks (and a fortune in stamps)
only a decade ago. As a side effect of the Internet, the dot-coms were a brief yet fierce
tidal wave in the pool of the global economy, lifting some boats and blowing others out of the
water.

What will be the next big technological advance, and will it be to our benefit or detriment?
One topic that has gotten our attention is the so-called "digital divide." Think of the
"divide" as compound interest on past and present social inequality--as economic disparity
translates into gaps in resources and access to technology that are disproportionately leaving
blacks and other minority communities behind on the Information Superhighway.
There are scores of committees, programs and coalitions actively working to close the gap.
Among their strategies are efforts to increase our children's preparedness through more
exposure to math and science in the schools, and projects aimed at putting more computers in
schools, libraries and other public facilities. The success of these efforts will depend
largely upon the abilities of those combating the problems to maintain broad participation and
to directly engage those whom they are trying to serve.

On a related note, one exciting developments around the problem of access to technology is
unfolding in San Francisco and other communities. Some very smart people, using very cheap
materials (literally tin cans and tin foil) have found a way to share wireless, broadband
Internet connections with entire neighborhoods. While this is upsetting ("awwwwwww") to the
giant telecommunications companies-- essentially one person can pay the $49.95 per month for
cable or DSL connectivity while the whole 'hood logs in simultaneously--it has tremendous
potential to expand access in poorer communities.

There's a lot more on the horizon besides the evolution of the World Wide Web. For instance,
the impending "cashless society" is a particularly worrisome double-edged sword for
communities of color. On one hand, we may not be able to fully participate, meaning we'll be
locked out of growing segments of the digital economy. This isn't a far-fetched prediction
considering we've historically been underserved by existing financial institutions (i.e. a
lotta folk gotta go to the check cashin' spot and don't have credit).

On the other hand, if we all do get issued our "smart cards," we'll have to carefully guard
against the prospects for abuse by an ever more zealous and powerful national security
apparatus. This is only common sense, considering that as a group, we've been
disproportionately made targets of law enforcement profiling, be it for so-called "street
crime" or the well-documented U.S. government monitoring and destabilization efforts against
black political groups.

Three years ago, after reading about microchips being used to identify pets in the United
Kingdom, I predicted that it was only a matter of time before some "get tough" lawmaker
proposed they be used on inmates, the homeless or other "marginal" elements. Recently, I read
where a man in Florida with a rare medical condition voluntarily had himself and his family
"chipped." The clock is ticking on wider applications. When these new technologies emerge, we
need to have folks who can spot the potential problems or at least, provide early warnings.

--*Help Wanted*

Folks have been saying for years now that the old "sweat of our brow" jobs are going
away-quickly. Any economic development efforts we undertake must take that into consideration.
Everyone playing a part in preparing young people for careers (and that number should include
almost all of us) need to realize that the work and business worlds are moving targets, and we
need to aim for where the target will be as opposed to where it is right now.

I have an uncle, a computer programmer who's a contractor for the Federal Aviation
Administration, who saw this writing on the wall years ago. He'd been an excellent car
mechanic, but tired of the dirty fingernails, went to night school and persisted until he got
his bachelor's and master's degrees in computer science. Having thumbed, dumbfounded, through
a few automotive repair manuals, I can vouch that the complexity of an engine appears as
daunting as any program or system I've encountered in the IT world. The thing is, had my uncle
stayed an automotive technician, he'd have had to learn computers to be able to work on new
cars that now require specialized and expensive computers to "diagnose" engine trouble.
We can no longer view technical training as an educational "bonus," to be enjoyed only by
those who demonstrate sufficient mastery of the three Rs. So much discussion of education as
preparation for future employment focuses these days on minimum competencies when in reality,
we need to be emphasizing maximum competencies. We must change our thinking until we regard
instruction in math and science as an essential component of every child's education.
As a people, we must also make ownership a primary goal. The marriage of employee and employer
ain't what it used to be. In fact, the arrangement is getting downright temporary, with
long-term employees becoming an increasing rarity. In addition to working 9 to whatever,
workers nowadays must manage their careers and retirement accounts and hope they don't get
RIF'd, downsized, streamlined or (insert other bloodless, economic euphemism) to help the good
ol' economy weather tough times.

We need to encourage entrepreneurship, even within the traditional workplace. And we need to
take the same mindset in our communities, emphasizing and instilling the values of ownership
to create a foundation of wealth with which to finance a black future.
I've noticed a lot of folks from my generation (early to mid 30's) getting into "ownership" by
rehabbing houses, buying up investment property. As cities become vogue again and the "urban
renewal" cycles of past generations repeat themselves, I find this emerging black ownership
movement an interesting counterpoint to gentrification. Time will tell whether these efforts
prevent future generations from walking through parts of their towns, as we do now in
Baltimore and Boston, pointing at million-dollar homes and saying, "Black people used to own
this whole neighborhood before it was condemned and rebuilt for the affluent."

--*Leadership*

This is truly an area where the Sankofa concept is indispensable. The last five decades for
Africans in America and throughout the rest of the Diaspora, should be a stark and tragic
warning against over reliance on hierarchical, charismatic leadership. Malcolm X. Martin
Luther King. Patrice Lumumba. When so much of the energy and vision of a people, a movement,
is embodied in one person, it is far too tempting for the powers that be to prevent them from
living to continue their work, unhindered.

If we are to have effective leadership in the future, we must run away from the "all eggs in
one basket" approach we've favored for so long. To do this, we have to change the way we think
of leadership, steering clear of the idea of "anointed ones" toward the notion that we all
have the potential to be leaders, and that those qualities of leadership must be identified
and cultivated within all of us.

All of our institutions must serve this end. Our churches, political and civic groups,
recreational groups, schools, and any other place where masses of us congregate must have the
development of future black leadership as an additional goal. And those of us in traditional
leadership positions must actively recruit and mentor helpers and replacements, as opposed to
a lot of old guard leaders who get into power and convince themselves that they are the only
person for the job.

"Each One Teach One" is zero population growth, and no longer good enough to sustain a black
future. These days, Each One Needs to Teach Many.


peace & blessings,

x.





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43. "Okay-curriculum"
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Should we build one (has that ever been done on okp?) for people to see here for free? One that we could say would be the ideal coverage of certain topics (outside the 3 Rs) for - let's say high school/undergrad? I am thinking of what I'd like to know if I were a parent of a teen and all of a sudden I had to see to their education. What would be ideal reading/study material for:

Writing
Film
Theology
History
Science
Music

I know in a way all of okp is this - but has it been consolidated for a singular reference point? Lemme know and if not - I'll start tomorrow.

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44. "utamoroho was putting together"
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an indexed list of the activist archives. don't know what came of that.

at least some of the archived threads contain booklists/curricula, of a sort for particular issues and topics of study.

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46. "too bad"
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we started working on one before, but it fell and wasn't archived. i wanted a level-appropriate type reading list & some creative approaches to teaching different things

but it's a lot of work, and i'm short on time, so i can't carry it myself anymore

utamaroho, i believe, wanted to condense everything into a film or series of films, but i'm anti-tv, so i prefer a more art based learning approach

BUT there are people interested in helping on each

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47. "Dang!"
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Yeah - I agree it shouldn't be film or tv - I'm talking more like electronic reference point. Utamaroho maybe was thinking about what more of us have access to but we will all be online shortly - and this could be a great resource.

Maybe we should call people out with a post like "School an okp" or something so that people who have a focus in a certain area can contribute - and just get the list going again. I understand it's alot of work to try to categorize or glean the info from the posts that exist. Can we ask for an archive before we start it? Do they ever do that on okp? I don't feel I "rank" high enough (read haven't been an okp long enough) to ask that of a moderator...

Anyway I actually forgot to list sex & gender as a topic but I think that should be one. What are some others?

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48. "what we tried to do"
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was post age categories and then list reading materials below

i cd see it like this:
-age group
-----reading materials
-----online materials
-----notes
-age group
-----reading materials
-----online materials
-----notes
etc.

or organized by level or by topic- maybe by topic and then by level?

then there was this whole issue of levels........ that was ugly

what i did with my recipe post is start it, ask for an archive, and bounce it up every day with a few new recipes until it was finally archived days before i made this kickass lemon and lima bean thingie

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49. "that would be dope."
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. that would carry over from the okparents listserv that i started (which we haven't used for a while). a place to share resources/experiences, etc.



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50. "RE: that would be dope."
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So let's start small? What do you think of starting with senior level of high school/freshman in college - books to read & (short) why. Whatchy'all think?

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52. "for me, starting small"
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means starting with the infants

cuz that's what i know best now

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54. "See that's specialized to me"
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And an area I unfortunately know nothing about right now - I guess I was thinking about the 16-20 range because most people have something they focus on - even if it's a hobby - that they could generally reccommend a book for and have a reason why.

I'm not a parent (me & my husband hope to try again one day) - could I still access/make comments for the listserve?

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57. "that's why"
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i think it's nice to work on so many ages simultaneously- everyone can work in their area of specialty

i'm sure u can join the listserve- if we can find it- we kinda lost track..... but it was such a great idea, i'd be happy to resurrect it

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51. "we shd resurrect that listserve"
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because i think we're a lot more practically minded than the crazy hippies i'm trying to reckon with

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53. "no doubt."
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its still there. (i need to go find the address again and link to it).


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86. "check frederisco's post"
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"return of cyberactivist"

that plans on addressing some of those same issues...if you're interested, i'd repost some of your ideas over there.

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88. "Thanks - I will"
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Feel free to post away

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55. "skills co-op."
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been thinking about this for awhile. its prolly a separate post, but i'll put it here for now.

basically, i'm thinking about a barter system for svcs, or whatever.

case a) you have a non-profit or community oriented business that needs tech skills/svcs. you also have mad technical people unemployed right about now. in each community we should have a clearinghouse for bringing the two together.

that way, community gets benefit of technical skills, the svcs providers get to add ish to their resume and get to stay in practice, and, get some kind of in-kind 'payment'. fr'instance, advertising for their svcs in a community paper in exchange for helping design a network for them or some web page redesign.

ur thoughts?

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56. "I think this is necessary"
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great idea
Actually after reading an article in today's WSJ on mom-n-pop restaurants being eaten alive by chains - I REALLY think this is necessary. Some local restaurants have banded together - I think other services could be banded together for a community share/barter type of system for not only benefit to customers but to alleviate costs for smaller, private businesses.

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59. "yes"
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collective bargaining--->lower prices--->greater longevity--->more opportunities to chose independent store over large corporations

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60. "i remember reading"
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something about an alternative booksellers co-op that exists as a counterpoint to barnes and noble and amazon. its hard to have a mom and pop biz. unless you a liqua sto'. them shits flourish.

went to visit the ancestral lands in jersey over the fourth and while other businesses have come and gone, the same ol' bars and cut-rates are still in operation in the same seedy, dilapidaed buildings.

gotta love it.

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58. "that's a great idea!"
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all of a sudden it seems we actually have some ideas to build on that are going somewhere!

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80. "skills bartering network."
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just adding on to the previous... this idea keeps growing on me but i know i don't have time to implement it. what i'll try and do, though is to spec out what it would look like.

one of the other things that can be done (in addition to the actual 'hard' skills like web design an programming, networking) is research. many folks in our communities not only don't know, they don't know *how* to find out. folks ask me (cuz i'm technical) a lot of questions that have me shaking my head, but then i realize that its because they wouldn't know where else to get the info.

but for small businesses, community org's, etc., there should be a spot where they could find out some very basic information, and other stuff that requires research, but which is repeatable, such as:


* do i need to be on the web?
-- what kind of presence do i need?

* how do i build a web page?
-- how much should it cost?
-- will a cookie cutter site work for me?
-- do i need to pay for a site?
-- will a 'free' site suffice?
-- if i want to conduct business, how do i accept credit cards?
-- do i need to link to search engines?

* what kind of computer do i need?
-- do i need a pentium 4 (whatever that is)?
-- what's the minimum system configuration that i can use?


that kind of stuff.



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81. "i always wished"
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there were local social service libraries that contained an organized reference to services available to people, from places to stay the night to scholarships, etc.

very different, but along the same lines.

tech resources are always good.

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61. "Self Defense"
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We forgot about this.... this LA crap reminded me that really the reason we don't see ourselves in the future visions we've seen (I keep thinking of Pryor & his Logan's Run joke) is that perhaps the goal truly is to have us halo-ed up a la Minority Report - conspicuously missing in the bowels of the "correctional" system. Am I just tripping? Is self defense even an/the answer? Is there some other avenue for us if we can't protect ourselves? Is there a possibility of our government wilin' and deciding they can lock any and everybody up that "fits the profile" - whatever the profile flava du jour is?

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62. "our ability to stand up"
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comes from people having the bizalls to challenge the nonsense we get bombarded wit on the daily. regular folk and especially our elected officials and spokesman.

we need to be "Like Mike" jackson, not jordan. tell the 'man' we ain't gonna take it no mo. but, er, umm, don't bleach your skin, or, ahh, get a china bone straight perm, or, uh, chop your nose off like the sphinx, or, chisel your chin, or, ummm, fondle little boys. but other than that. i'm right with you mike. (well, um, 'cept for the permanent eyeliner -- that's just a bit much).

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63. "LOL"
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btw i don't think he bothered that kid.

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64. "what does it entail exactly?"
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>comes from people having the bizalls to challenge the
>nonsense we get bombarded wit on the daily. regular folk and
>especially our elected officials and spokesman.
>
>we need to be "Like Mike" jackson, not jordan. tell the
>'man' we ain't gonna take it no mo.


how do we tell him? we always go to city hall, we march, hold prayer vigils, riot sometimes, start holding hands and healing. what do you suggest as a method? i have my idea but it usually doesn't go over very well.

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65. "I got an idea"
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Get some lipstick cams installed in cars in the window rubber.

I am also thinking of lipstick cams installed in glasses - maybe this will bring back cazals (don't know if I spelled that right)

Black people will have plenny "live-action-brutality" - "we interrupt this program - live right now - see what Navie sees"

There might be bootleggers who'll sell you some fake "monitor frames" but it might still deter brutalism

Will we all look crazy if we wear these glasses?

Sure - someone could steal your monitors - but then you could get the "deluxe" headstrap goggles like pro sports players.

Hell - they got a lipstick cam in a pill (just saw it on TechTV last nite peoples) - why not in some frames?

The only thing we'd have to step up is satellite connex - so you could do like "I've fallen and I can't get up" - press a hidden button to auto-transmit to your press source of choice - so the cop would never know he was on cam after his initial "can I see your drivers license" or "get out of the car" or "where do you think you're going on this side of town?" - as they do and you wouldn't have to worry about getting the recording to the right person (Strange Days)

So one might think - hell - tapes didn't help Rodney King - and RK didn't stop brutality/murder..... so what will monitor frames do? Well there'll just be allloooooot more evidence - and less hearsay.

How's that for the black future redux?

And oh yeah - when these mugs come out remember where you first heard it.

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66. "You are wild...."
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67. "Yeah but"
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you didn't say what you thought of my idea

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68. "My thing is this...."
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If they can increase the fines or sentences for second and third time criminals- why not for the cops? Isn't police brutality still a crime?

I don't know about your idea, but I'd like to see some 3 strkes and you are out-life in prison, and mandatory sentencing put in place. We just don't push for the right shit any more.


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"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
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69. "Sure it's a crime"
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Getting them convicted is the problem - my idea will - I think - assist in more convictions. You can have all the sentencing & laws in place you want - but if in the case of someone like Diallo - they send the case to the all-white suburbian/rural courts and they're never convicted..... see what I mean?

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73. "One more thing ...."
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Think how this could stop ALL crime - anyone tryin' to check yo -ish in would be on cam

Anyone tryin' to lure you up in their apt and cook you up in a fine stew would be on cam

Anyone sickin' their pit bull on you would be on cam

Anyone slippin' you a mickey would be on cam

Anyone holdin' you out a window till you sign a contract would be on cam

Just think of the possibilities....

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70. "i like building with you."
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>Get some lipstick cams installed in cars in the window
>rubber.
>
>I am also thinking of lipstick cams installed in glasses -
>maybe this will bring back cazals (don't know if I spelled
>that right)
>
>Black people will have plenny "live-action-brutality" - "we
>interrupt this program - live right now - see what Navie
>sees"

word. there'll be enough to have a syndicated tv show, a la, World's Most Foulest* Po-lice Videos -- can i be the bob saget of that ish?

*gotta keep it reah wit the ebonic syllabification.

Video Clip 1: "Teen has his head bashed against the car trunk"
Bokeem Saget: *wince. guffaw. studio chuckle* "That's GOT to hurt!"

*canned laughter*

Bokeem Saget: "I hope Officer Friendly got some excedrins up in that big ass utility belt of his -- Tyrell gon' be needing that extra screnf after that one".

Video Clip 2: young black male is in police custody. things seem normal. they are questioning him and he is answering them civilly. then, all of a sudden, the police pounce on dude and commence to kinging him.

Bokeem Saget: "Now I know to those of you in the studio audience, that little ass whupping there appeared unprovoked, but that's because you're watching in real time, and lack the high speed perception of our modern police force. Watch as we go to the telestrator in slo-mo..."

*tape rolls, zooms in to where kid's mouth appears to motion 'yes sir'*

Bokeem Saget: "Now stop the tape. Rewind one frame. Right here.
*camera shows lips making motion of 'Yes'*

Bokeem: To the untrained eye it looks like he's saying 'yes sir', but to the keenly honed senses of our 21st century super cops, you can plainly tell that what the young person actually said was...

"Yes, I hate you hunky-pig-ofay-cracka-ponk-fa**ot-muthaf*ckas and i been smoking pcp all week just waiting for you mickeyfickeys to try an pick me up and i'm invincible with super strength and i'm gonna snap these handcuffs, swell up to 8 times the size of your average ni**a, use these four quarters in my pocket as throwing stars to decapitate you, piss on your badges, go through your wallets and find out where your families live, trampoline on your children's nuts like mike tyson, and then proceed to kick dogfartish activities with your unfulfilled spouses until they put scratch marks on my back and say give it to me SIR..."

*video goes to next frame showing lips making motion of "Sir"*

Bokeem Saget: "See. Clearly, to the average uneducated person, this looked like a cut & dry case of the boys in blue savagely beating a restrained and harmless young kid, but in actuality, they were justifiably preventing this psychotic supervillain from committing quintuple murder, 1st degree nut abuse against minors and serial sexual assault against their grieving widows."

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okay. let me stop tripping. but yeah, the minicams would be a dope idea. especially in neighborhoods where "this type a sh*t happens all the time".

>Will we all look crazy if we wear these glasses?

Cazals' moment in the sun were too short lived. bring them back, i say.

>Sure - someone could steal your monitors - but then you
>could get the "deluxe" headstrap goggles like pro sports
>players.

aybody be running round looking like vintage horace grant. i likes.


>Hell - they got a lipstick cam in a pill (just saw it on
>TechTV last nite peoples) - why not in some frames?

u watch tech tv. that's why we e-peoples like that.

>The only thing we'd have to step up is satellite connex - so
>you could do like "I've fallen and I can't get up" - press a
>hidden button to auto-transmit to your press source of
>choice - so the cop would never know he was on cam after his
>initial "can I see your drivers license" or "get out of the
>car" or "where do you think you're going on this side of
>town?" - as they do and you wouldn't have to worry about
>getting the recording to the right person (Strange Days)

bingo. of course, thered be an exponential rise in the number of people shot while reaching for their shirt buttons, but that's the price of freedom.


>How's that for the black future redux?

you waaay outside the box. politic ditto. (that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but i like to punctuate affirmative statements with quixotic Wu-isms for emphasis).

>And oh yeah - when these mugs come out remember where you
>first heard it.

copyright it. (i mean, they gonna be bootlegged by the end of the first week that they out, but still, do your thing).

peace,

x

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71. "u should get that produced"
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72. "Same here bud"
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That was hilarious! Glad you got my goggle reference - tho I was going waaaay back when I first thought it (Kareem)

I wish I could actually get these in production - I could make a mint! I would of course, donate all the funds to Navie Air Space Sciences & Technology Academy - wait that sounds like a conflict of interest - ok I'd have to think up a new name but still - Navie is for the babies!

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74. "ups-a-daisy"
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75. "yeh, i'm not ready for this one to die yet"
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76. "thanks. the article ran."
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no hatemail yet.

i gotta reload on ideas, though. did you see the thing about the free community wireless networks?

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77. "You did a story on that?"
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802 11b? is it called or sumin like that? I like the idea of setting one up in communities without access, so that kids don't fall behind w/o internet access for school

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Why can't I find a woman that knows how to make Lemon Meringue Pie with the little Nilla wafers around the edges? And more importantly, who in the fuck left the gate open?" --Jarek James.

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"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
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78. "i mentioned it in my column"
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(post #42).

but i found out about it from AZ putting up a link to an article in hi-tech board.

http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/DCForumID19/2760.html

good article. i'll probably write about it in the future, also.

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79. "up"
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83. "i'll have a real reply"
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after i read the original post & what everyone else has said

but it's posts like these that make me want to believe in this board again.

so thanks.

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90. "ok. my thing is"
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well...things, actually...(not necessarily in this order)

education
society
psychological state of black folks

we HAVE to get our kids back. the schools aren't helping. parents are too scattered, stretched too thin, or too messed up to be involved in what's important.

growing up with an educator & having been exposed to a variety of teaching methods, styles, and applications, i've always been interested in figuring out how we can get kids to really LEARN again. they need to know the basics, yes. but they also need exposure. too many of them have no vision beyond their corner. unless we remedy that somehow, these kids aren't going to go any further than those corners.

and when you get a teacher willing to expose the kids, sometimes the parents will stand in your way.

how do we overcome the crippling ignorance that has gripped the black community for decades now?

i would like to build a school. an independent, non euro-centric school with resources for parents AND kids. kind of like a combination community/education center. we could have lecturers on black & other "alternative" history, but parenting classes as well...

i know there are things like this that exist now...not to mention the fact that the work has BEEN started. the blueprints are out there (e.g. the black panther's efforts). there are community centers here @ home that i had no idea existed. now that i know about them, i want to get involved in tutoring or maybe teaching a extracurricular class of some sort. i want to know how comprehensive these places really are/can be. the more i read about the late 60s-early 70s, the more i realize we need to get that spirit & those resources back & figure out how to rebuild that mentality.

also, we need to get black folks into therapy without getting them into therapy (yeah i know lol)....we've got this stigma surrounding it (still), yet we have the same problems & issues as everyone else. what we've learned to do is self medicate w/ drugs that do FAR more harm than that 5 minutes of peace they provide. fortunately, there has been groundbreaking work on these issues. the flip side is, it hasn't been disseminated widely enough & in a way that's relevant beyond the middle class.

we need to acknowledge our pain (lack of fatherhood, learned hopelessness, & sexual abuse are among the largest problems) and deal with it productively. i also think we need to reevaluate the value of SECULAR counseling that is geared towards our particular needs. pastor's fine & all, but s/he's coming from a perspective that may not always translate well to your particular problem or concern (especially in the case of adolescents who are pushed toward this kind of help by their parents @ the exact time when they may be rebelling against their parents' values). people need practical AND spiritual applications. too much in either direction, and you're screwed.

just my two cents. lol

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95. "a step in the right direction"
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It's long y'all but please read it - hell just glaze over it and you'll see some good stuff.

From today's WSJ:

By most standards, Lestie Gonzalez wasn't supposed to go to college.

As a 19-year-old high school senior studying in New York's impoverished south Bronx, Mr. Gonzalez struggled in school with dyslexia. Living with his single mother and two younger brothers, he was a frequent truant and not particularly motivated to pursue higher education. In fact, his mom begged him just to graduate from high school. "I told him, even to clean toilets you need a diploma nowadays" says Awilda Gonzalez, whose ailing health keeps her from working.

Yet this September, Mr. Gonzalez will enroll at Mercy College, in Dobbs Ferry, N.Y. For that, he thanks Byron Womack, his college guidance counselor at Fannie Lou Hamer Freedom School.

Mr. Womack, who worked for months to persuade Mr. Gonzalez to apply for college, is one of a handful of tenacious, young college guidance counselors who arrived at some of the toughest New York City high schools last September. The counselors are part of a fledgling philanthropic effort led by Ann Rubenstein Tisch, whose family owns the conglomerate Loews Corp. Their mission is to combat one of the most persistent problems in low-income schools: a lack of guidance counselors and the resulting low aspirations for college.

This year, students at the four schools with Ms. Tisch's guidance counselors won scholarships totaling almost $2 million, which covered about 300 seniors.

The guidance counselor shortage is a national problem. In New York City, the average guidance counselor has a caseload of 450 students, well above the 150 to 300 students recommended by the American School Counselor Association. Even when there are counselors at schools, they aren't typically trained to help students apply to college. The ratio is worse in some other states. For instance, in Illinois, the average guidance counselor has a caseload of 700 students, while in California it is 994 students to every counselor.

Ms. Tisch's program, called College Bound, finds and pays for counselors to work in public schools that can't afford their own advisers. The counselors she picks come mostly from word of mouth; one left a job at a private school, while another came from the recruitment office of a college. "There are hundreds if not thousands of college-capable kids out there who won't go to college because of the daunting process of college admissions," Ms. Tisch says. College Bound spends about $100,000 annually at each school, which pays for the counselors' salary, training, a computer, phone line, and multiple student trips to colleges.

...

Not surprisingly, studies show that students from low-income families, students of color and students in rural and inner-city areas are most likely to attend schools with poor student-to-counselor ratios. And although minorities are attending college in record numbers, African Americans in 1998 continued to trail whites -- 15.8% vs. 28.4% -- in the number of 25- to 29-year-olds who have completed four or more years of college, according to the American Council on Education.

Those numbers trouble some business leaders, who worry that the gap will hurt their competitiveness. In January, a report by the Business-Higher Education Forum, a coalition of top chief executives and university presidents, warned that the nation is headed for a crisis in work-force skills and knowledge.

...

Back in his cluttered office, where a television screen with 16 live shots from the school's security cameras hangs from the ceiling, he laments his lack of funds. Until this year, he says, "I couldn't afford a librarian," though he desperately needed one because of the students' low literacy scores. Reluctantly, he raided his teaching budget to pay for one. Now that he has Mr. Womack on board as a guidance counselor -- one paid for by someone else -- Mr. Freeman boasts that for the first time, he hears freshmen and sophomores walking down the halls talking about what colleges they might want to attend.

To get kids thinking about college, the 33-year-old Mr. Womack hung pictures of college-bound seniors in the corridors. And luckily for the students, Mr. Womack doesn't give up easily, as Lestie Gonazalez found out this year.

"I wasn't paying attention to what he was saying about college," says Mr. Gonzalez. "I really thought I was a dumb kid that wasn't going anywhere in life."

Mr. Womack had a different impression. "I saw a kid who was struggling, but I really felt he had an opportunity." Mr. Womack ultimately persuaded the teen to visit a college campus, although it took a special incentive. "He told me there would be free food" during the visit, says Mr. Gonzalez, smiling beneath his thin goatee and mustache. "I like eating." After a few college trips, and Mr. Womack's incessant messages that he was indeed college material, Mr. Gonzalez began to believe it, too. And he started cutting class less and working to raise his grades. "It's like he became my dad," says Mr. Gonzalez.

Mr. Gonzalez's dyslexia -- which wasn't identified until last year -- was no stumbling block to Mr. Womack. He found Mercy College, north of New York City, which has a program for students with learning disabilities. Mr. Gonzalez will study to be an X-ray technician, and his tuition will be paid for by federal and state financial aid that Mr. Womack helped him tap into. He graduated from high school last month.



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96. "give thanks!"
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that's wonderful

i've actually considered becoming a guidance counselor after i get my masters. i don't think i have the calling/gift to teach (and that is what it is. not just something you "do"...sheesh), but i think i could reach kids that way.

one of my younger brother's best friends can't go to howard 'cause she doesn't have the money. & she graduated from one of the best high schools in this city.

she's thinking about going into the military.

i hate hearing things like that. college shouldn't cost what it does anyway, but until we can change that, having more counselors & people equipped to help these kids would definitely help.

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97. "Do we need another Different World?"
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I was surprised to read he enticed money w/ the prospect of free food. Do we need another go-to-college PR tool?

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98. "don't the Wayans Bros."
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an all the other positive imagery on the tube fulfill that niche?

till you said that, i'd never though of A Different World in that light, but yeah.

times done changed. good post by the way. i grazed, i'll chew later.

peace & blessings,

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101. "Damn...more like a dollar, but I cosign."
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" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"Why is the country run by an ovbious idiot? Why is New Edition trying to make a comeback? Why are a lot of women attracted to thugs with no potential in life? Who shot J.R.?
Why can't I find a woman that knows how to make Lemon Meringue Pie with the little Nilla wafers around the edges? And more importantly, who in the fuck left the gate open?" --Jarek James.

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
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99. "up. not me, close to Activist Platinum?"
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how that happen?

"more or less creative push-ups, since '99"

peace & blessings,

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100. "plat-i-num baby"
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and well deserving at that

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102. "Archive and ^^^^^"
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