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Quest4Knowledge
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"BROTHAS CONFERENCE: Q4K,Aqua,Korr,Sherron,Isa,Troll,Int"


  

          

..and every other.

Welcome to the first Brothas Conference. This is an open forum of discussion for the Black Males of OkayActivist. It is an annual dialouge to build with each other. Although we may have differing opinions and political stances (liberal, conservative, democrat, independant, republican, etc.) or different walks of life (Christian, Muslim, 5%, Rasta, Atheist/Agnostic, homosexual, "straight", Afrikan, Asiatic, etc.) we all share one common thing. Whether we be lightskinned or the darkest of dark.. we're still cut from the same cloth, face the same problems, and generally want the same things in life.. just like most-all human beings. Again, this is a discussion for brothas and ONLY brothas (or brother, bruva, whichever you prefer). The topics can go anywhere; from politics, to social issues, to music, reparations, interracial dating, police brutality, to health, religion, sex, sports, love or whatever as long as it pertains to the mind of the Black male. Here are the rules:

-No offtopic discussion.

-No (And I repeat NO) posts from non-Black males (and let me say this; if any of y'all left out even THINK about reporting this to GLove as an "offensive post" you'd better think long and hard before you click that send button on the inbox screen).

-Please ignore all posts from outsiders (non-Black males). Either address them in inbox or start a different thread.

-Please don't let this turn into any fights. Let's keep it positive.

-No Uncle Toms (e.g. Expertise) allowed. (I'm kiddin').

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iight. So now that we got that outta the way... what do y'all think has been the most positive or uplifting thing this year in regards to us as a demographic vs. the worst or most demonizing?

Just an ice breaker.


"Let's make this bond to keep this Hip-Hop strong" -Guru.


Peace and Love
-Ren



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whoa whoa whoa
Jan 08th 2003
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lol, im sorry
Jan 08th 2003
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      RE: lol, im sorry
Jan 08th 2003
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      Like the MMM
Jan 09th 2003
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Very good Idea!
Jan 08th 2003
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RE: Very good Idea!
Jan 08th 2003
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Most definately
Jan 08th 2003
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RE: Very good Idea!
Jan 09th 2003
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I'm shocked.
Jan 08th 2003
5
Diversity of thought in the black community?
Jan 08th 2003
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Modeling sucks
Jan 08th 2003
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RE: Modeling sucks
Jan 08th 2003
9
Raising Sons
Jan 08th 2003
11
The Building Long Term Relationships
Jan 08th 2003
12
RE: also
Jan 09th 2003
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      Also:
Jan 09th 2003
28
Young knuckleheads in need of guidance
Jan 08th 2003
13
Sports
Jan 09th 2003
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RE: Sports
Jan 09th 2003
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      RE: Sports
Jan 10th 2003
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      RE: Sports
Jan 14th 2003
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Attention
Jan 10th 2003
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Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
14
RE: Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
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      RE: Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
18
           RE: Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
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           RE: Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
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                Benefits of Segregation
Jan 09th 2003
31
                The person u are responding to is white
Jan 09th 2003
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                     RE: The person u are responding to is white
Jan 09th 2003
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                @ Ulysses s. Grant
Jan 09th 2003
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                     RE: @ Ulysses s. Grant
Jan 09th 2003
36
                     Please stop responding to him, God Damn!
Jan 09th 2003
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                          RE: Please stop responding to him, God Damn!
Jan 09th 2003
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           RE: Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
20
                RE: Look: Reality Check
Jan 09th 2003
30
2 Quest4: I don't mean to intrude
Jan 09th 2003
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RE: 2 Quest4: I don't mean to intrude
Jan 09th 2003
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      RE: 2 Quest4: I don't mean to intrude
Jan 09th 2003
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One thing to talk about.
Jan 09th 2003
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Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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      RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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      RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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           RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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           RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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                RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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                     RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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           RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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                RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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                RE: Assimilation.
Jan 15th 2003
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                RE: Assimilation.
Jan 09th 2003
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                Very good point!
Jan 10th 2003
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                     RE: Very good point!
Jan 10th 2003
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                     Yeah, I know!
Jan 11th 2003
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                     RE: Very good point!
Jan 13th 2003
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                     RE: Very good point!
Jan 14th 2003
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                          I feel you
Jan 15th 2003
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                RE: Assimilation.
Jan 15th 2003
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      RE: Assimilation.
Jan 15th 2003
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^Up
Jan 10th 2003
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Great post.
Jan 10th 2003
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Healing and transition
Jan 10th 2003
53
cosign
Jan 13th 2003
61
What jobs are we missing in?
Jan 10th 2003
55
black self-love
Jan 11th 2003
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RE: black self-love
Jan 12th 2003
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      Cosign
Jan 12th 2003
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      RE: black self-love
Jan 13th 2003
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           RE: black self-love
Jan 13th 2003
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                Well,
Jan 15th 2003
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RE: What jobs are we missing in?
Jan 15th 2003
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UNITY!
Jan 13th 2003
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RE: UNITY!
Jan 15th 2003
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i apologize
Jan 15th 2003
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jenNjuice
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1. "whoa whoa whoa"
In response to Reply # 0


          

im not trying to start some shit (maybe i am)-but that's how i do, don't take it person

and im pretty sure your intentions are good

but i just need you to confirm, being that i am i black WOman-your basically saying i'm excluded from this post?

~either stand tall or sit the fuck down~

"Then Columbus didn't find anything, he was simply lost. if I take a boat to England once I get there, regardless of how, can I simply rename the place...Harlem?"-Aquaman

"However, the village mentality, and understanding what worked for us before injustice, before yurugu infection, before colonialism is what will save us now. "-Firebrand

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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Quest4Knowledge
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2. "lol, im sorry"
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but yes.

And look at me, I've broken one of my own rules now.

Just think of this as a 'let them work it out; they'll get back to us when they get they shit straight' thing.


Peace and Love
-Ren



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jenNjuice
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3. "RE: lol, im sorry"
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o.k blackman

handle your business

*sad face*

~either stand tall or sit the fuck down~

"Then Columbus didn't find anything, he was simply lost. if I take a boat to England once I get there, regardless of how, can I simply rename the place...Harlem?"-Aquaman

"However, the village mentality, and understanding what worked for us before injustice, before yurugu infection, before colonialism is what will save us now. "-Firebrand

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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ya Setshego
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24. "Like the MMM"
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Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

  

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DeRayeMustafa
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4. "Very good Idea!"
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I really don't know where to start, but I think that 1 thing that I personally would consider being something positive for the black man is the long overdue recognition Denzel Washington got for his craft. Though his role wasn't of a positive black man and he should've got it with Malcolm X, but with the focus of racism being shifted towards people of Middle Eastern decent in some ways we are starting to get a wee little more respect. Besides that I can't really think of much else. Now negative, the list can go on and on. The sniper being a brotha' kinda set us back a little, but really I don't give too much of a f#ck what white people's preconceived notions are of us considering they really don't know us, they just know what they've been taught and fed through the media about us.

But good post idea! This should be interesting!

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Ulysses S Grant
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8. "RE: Very good Idea!"
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What about the long overdue recognition of this man?

http://www.delafont.com/comedians/Nipsey-Russell.htm

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DeRayeMustafa
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10. "Most definately"
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I can't take nothing away from the man, but the question was about positivity for the black man within this past year I believe. I mean, if we really wanted to get down to it there is a list that would take a lifetime to compile if were talking about black men who deserve recognition. But I dig what ya' sayin'.
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www.ihatemtv.com


www.sexualchocolateandthewhiteboys.com


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...but I ain't one to gossip, so you didn't hear it from me!

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Aquaman
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16. "RE: Very good Idea!"
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Excellent idea... I'm in.

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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Ulysses S Grant
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5. "I'm shocked."
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The same folks who bitched about Strom Thurmond and Trent Lott now have a segregated post. Talk about the pot calling the kettle... black.

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Ulysses S Grant
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6. "Diversity of thought in the black community?"
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>we're still cut from
>the same cloth, face the same problems, and generally want
>the same things in life

lol

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7. "Modeling sucks"
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what do you mean by adding on faggots?
hold your horses.

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Ulysses S Grant
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9. "RE: Modeling sucks"
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>what do you mean by adding on faggots?
>hold your horses.

I hear you, my brother.

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11. "Raising Sons"
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What things do we really need to pass down to our sons?

I'm trying to think of the things Pops taught me, and what utility or futility I got out of them.

When the time comes for me, somewhere in the future, I wouldn't mind a primer of things that need to be addressed.


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12. "The Building Long Term Relationships"
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- communication...

But what else is needed.

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15. "RE: also"
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building self-awareness and molding common sense in our young folk today.



Damn if I know?
"the ghetto code"

  

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Ulysses S Grant
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28. "Also:"
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We need to instill an appreciation for the finer points of knitting and flower arrangement.

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k_orr
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13. "Young knuckleheads in need of guidance"
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What's the best way to holla @ them 12-14 year olds that could go the wrong route?

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35. "Sports"
In response to Reply # 13


  

          

Coaches...I was 14 five years ago, and after my dad my Soccer and Track coaches had the most influence on me.

After that I'd say people this age can be reached by good teachers. We need to pay more attention to who is teaching the youth, and what agenda those teachers are following.

  

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Eusebio
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43. "RE: Sports"
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Thu Jan-09-03 05:10 PM

  

          

>Coaches...I was 14 five years ago, and after my dad my
>Soccer and Track coaches had the most influence on me.
>
>After that I'd say people this age can be reached by good
>teachers. We need to pay more attention to who is teaching
>the youth, and what agenda those teachers are following.

-cosign, a really good teacher can have an amazing effect on our youth. I don't know of the situation in the states, but here (canada) there aren't enough male black teachers to be role models for the youth.
-definitely that 12-14 age group is crucial
-i hear from so many adults how they read the autobiography of malcolm x and it changed their lives. i don't see this happening much now. i mean, honestly i don't read enough now myself, but i know that however difficult it may be to get some of our young brothers to read more, it's incredibly important

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Chike
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54. "RE: Sports"
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>-i hear from so many adults how they read the autobiography
>of malcolm x and it changed their lives. i don't see this
>happening much now. i mean, honestly i don't read enough
>now myself, but i know that however difficult it may be to
>get some of our young brothers to read more, it's incredibly
>important

co-sign.

  

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Kozmikblak
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66. "RE: Sports"
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Tue Jan-14-03 06:01 AM

  

          

We are those teachers. Take your child or a child and be there mentor. Me and a friend of mine had this discussion just the other day. The lack of mentors.

In answer to a previous post of why certain career paths are lacking black interest is simple. All our visibly successful people are in some form of entertainment. My son who is very good with math dreams of being a sports star of some kind. I'm not mad at him its all he sees of a skewed perception of a definition of successful black men. It's up to me as a parent to teach and show him otherwise. It's our job as black men, black fathers, to show them other paths, and definitions of success. We have to present to them the ruler by which to measure success. Show them the importance of Sciences, Engineering, Leadership at all levels. I make my son read at family gatherings, teach him leadership skills. Teach them the importance of their role in our communities and the future of our people.

"I don't blame Tiger Woods, but I overstand the mental poison that's even worse than drugs" -nas poison

"For trees to grow in Brooklyn seeds need to be planted. I asked, "can you feel it?" and the crowd left me stranded" -Talib kweli

"Hip Hop, a way of life it doesn't tell you how to raise a child or treat a wife" -Q-tip A tribe called Quest

"...Cats sipping champaign to toast death and pain like slaves on a ship talking about who has the flyest chain" -Talib Kweli Black Star

"We're the renegades we're the people with our own philosophy, we change the course of history. Everyday people like you and me." Afrika Bambaataa and the Soulsonic force Renegades of funk

"The children in the street no longer seek 300 and 6-0 degrees, they park they minds at 1 oh 6 and freeze" -Pos-Freedom Train

"Devil and nigga are the same to me." -Nettrice

"it's wack to me when the beat is more hype than the M.C. cuz what he is saying

  

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52. "Attention"
In response to Reply # 13


  

          

Attention = Energy. It could be anything constructive- sports, building (carpentry, car repair, etc.). With my Son, my nephews, and my "Sons" (and "Daughters") in the community, any time that I give to them is appreciated and makes an impact. Time is worth more than money, and increases in value over time.

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14. "Look: Reality Check"
In response to Reply # 0


          

This is not going to happen here.

Seriously, Q4K, I am behind you all the way, but there are too many disruptions for the Black/black men of activist to actually come together and dialogue with each other because there is too much interruption.

Jen (who I love)'s is the first post in here turning this into another Million Man March drama -- not understanding that just as women need (and have) their spaces, so do men need their spaces.

Then you have Ulysses, who I am quite sure is white, interjecting and disrespecting what was set forth.

Trouble is this is a public forum and there is no way to get the kind of conversation you would like to have with these interruptions because no one can quite understand why Black/black men would want to get together and talk about stuff.

I have a suggestion I will email you and you can post it in here and that way be able to have the kind of... forum... dialogue... you wish to have because this is just... *shakes head* uh-uh.

(Allah, I got my eye on you. The first time you slip and try to ask one of us to blow your fanatical islamic dick, I'm exposing you.)

* Jen, I mean no disrespect.

Peace,

Quentin

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Aquaman
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17. "RE: Look: Reality Check"
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I think it can be done... we just need one topic to run from, in fact I'm positive we can do it... it's a excellent idea... it's better than arguing all day...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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Quest4Knowledge
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18. "RE: Look: Reality Check"
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Alright, so let us continue then..


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Aquaman
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19. "RE: Look: Reality Check"
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what's the topic?

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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Ulysses S Grant
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26. "RE: Look: Reality Check"
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>what's the topic?

How about the benefits of segragation? It's working well in this post.

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DeRayeMustafa
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31. "Benefits of Segregation"
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One major benefit of segregation would the ability to focus on self. Knowledge of self was one thing stressed by the N.O.I. that I took with me as a beneficial lesson and its importance is vital. I'm not one for complete segregation, but I do see some benefits. It allows one to focus attention of ones own problems more clearly. From that we can move on to working on fixing our problems. Like the saying goes, one must love one's self before they can love anyone else. (Or something like that!)


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32. "The person u are responding to is white"
In response to Reply # 31


          

Thusly eliminating him from this post...
His comments are always counter-productive
& he's a fervent agent of frivolity & propaganda.
His last moniker was Paul Nice, lets just simply
ignore him...
Separation is the best & only sollution to our
problems

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39. "RE: The person u are responding to is white"
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I'm actually not Paul Nice, Surazal is. I believe he freely admits it now. Regardless, you and I need to focus on issues to uplift our community and not squabble about who's white and who's not. Where's that gonna get us, my brother from another color?

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34. "@ Ulysses s. Grant"
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Thu Jan-09-03 09:10 AM

          

Speaking on segregation, how do you feel about it? Was america a better country under segregation laws? Would South africa or zimbabwe be better off with a racially homogenous society?

Europe for europeans, Africa for africans? Is racial equality/co-existance a fallacy?

  

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36. "RE: @ Ulysses s. Grant"
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>Speaking on segregation, how do you feel about it?

If a group of private citizens choose to segregate themselves, that's fine and perfectly constitutional - i.e. all black social club, all black business, all black college etc. The government, however, CAN NOT and should not segregate.

Was
>america a better country under segregation laws?

Hell no. As I've said, segregation can be a personal choice, but should never be enforced by the gov't.

Would South
>africa or zimbabwe be better off with a racially homogenous
>society?

It's hard to see how they could be worse off, but I don't believe racial heterogeny is the root cause of any of their problems.

>Europe for europeans, Africa for africans?

I don't believe this would be a sound policy, if by 'european' you mean 'white' and by 'african' you mean 'black'. Although I would support assimilation into european CULTURE for people of all races in Europe and assimilation into african culture for people of all races in Africa.

>Is racial
>equality/co-existance a fallacy?

No. Cultural and societal equality is though.

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37. "Please stop responding to him, God Damn!"
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He's a fuckin white-boy, just here to
perpetuate some bullshit & spout off his
conservative/racist ass views...
He's not here to be productive & he has
NO FUCKIN BUSINESS in a post that conception
caters to Black issues w/specificity...Stop
patronizing this caucasian agent of agitation,
fuck him!

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38. "RE: Please stop responding to him, God Damn!"
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>NO FUCKIN BUSINESS in a post that conception
>caters to Black issues w/specificity

There's no such thing as "black issues". You are another brainwashed mark.

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20. "RE: Look: Reality Check"
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I happen to agree with DeRaye about the most positive and negative things this year being Denzel vs. the Sniper.

I just wonder if we get enough cats in the public spotlight to be responsible, could it be a molding model for those of us who look up to these people and have no direction to begin with?


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30. "RE: Look: Reality Check"
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>I happen to agree with DeRaye about the most positive and
>negative things this year being Denzel vs. the Sniper.

"Denzel vs The Sniper" is by far the best X-Box game yet. Go Denzel!

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21. "2 Quest4: I don't mean to intrude"
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but you might wanna make a list of folks that are non-black so that brothas won't respond turning this into a 'brotha v.s. usgrant,pauln or some other joker' post.

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25. "RE: 2 Quest4: I don't mean to intrude"
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>but you might wanna make a list of folks that are non-black
>so that brothas won't respond turning this into a 'brotha
>v.s. usgrant,pauln or some other joker' post.
>
>*bowing out gracefully*

I think we all know who the trouble makers are. But I will if it gets even more out of hand.


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27. "RE: 2 Quest4: I don't mean to intrude"
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>I think we all know who the trouble makers are. But I will
>if it gets even more out of hand.

I got your back, dun.

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22. "One thing to talk about."
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I felt ashamed to be black after viewing Jamie Foxes "I might need security."


  

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23. "Assimilation."
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Is assimilation the goal for black people in this country? Or is it financial assimiltion?

Is Assimilation a negative? Positive?


  

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29. "RE: Assimilation."
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>Is assimilation the goal for black people in this country?
>Or is it financial assimiltion?
>
>Is Assimilation a negative? Positive?


Well I think it depends. I am personally disgusted by America's view of "assimilation" because it attempts to strip people of their native heritage.

I think other countries who have more of a "salad bowl" cocnept rather than the "melting pot" are better off because people can keep their native culture yet still engage in the given society they inhabit.

But to stay relevant to the topic at hand, I think it is negative for blacks when you use the "melting pot" idea. It's probably positive for virtually any group witht he "salad bowl".

As far as finicial assimilation, I think that's been the biggest goal of a lot of cats in the last few decades. When you have money you don't have to worry about fitting into society or not because you have the resources and power to do what you please. So for those of us who feel left out of the hoop, the paperchase has become the goal. The problem with this is when you ask the question "at what cost?"

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33. "RE: Assimilation."
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>Well I think it depends. I am personally disgusted by America's view of "assimilation" because it attempts to strip people of their native heritage.<

In my eyes the problem is that America is not a racially/culturally homogenous state. It's like we are living in the United Nations. If black people wish to become financially adequate, and truely live in an equal society, assimilation into the majority and loss of native heritage is the only option. And this goes for other minority groups as well.

>I think other countries who have more of a "salad bowl" cocnept rather than the "melting pot" are better off because people can keep their native culture yet still engage in the given society they inhabit.<

But over time the off spring within that society lose a bit of that heritage with each new generation.


>But to stay relevant to the topic at hand, I think it is negative for blacks when you use the "melting pot" idea. It's probably positive for virtually any group witht he "salad bowl". <

Why is it negative?

>As far as finicial assimilation, I think that's been the biggest goal of a lot of cats in the last few decades. When you have money you don't have to worry about fitting into society or not because you have the resources and power to do what you please. So for those of us who feel left out of the hoop, the paperchase has become the goal. The problem with this is when you ask the question "at what cost?"<

Indeed, at what cost? Since black people have been in America the wheels have been geared for us to be on the lower end of the financial spectrum. But with the closing of the 20th century the idea of racial equality, in my opinion has taken form in our society. The standards & beliefs of our grandparents are dying with each new generation of youth. And the america of tommorow won't be how it is today. Assimilation is not a choice but is forthcoming.

If racial preservation is something that you value, what is to be done about black americas stagnant popluation growth? We've been at 12% for the last 10 to 15 years.

Latin immigration is rising and there population is building, where will we be in the next 50 to 100 years? Well there even be such thing as black americans anymore?


  

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40. "RE: Assimilation."
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>If racial preservation is something that you value, what is
>to be done about black americas stagnant popluation growth?
>We've been at 12% for the last 10 to 15 years.

That's probably more or less because of the mass immigration of other groups (e.g. Latinos). Obviously we were in a much higher percentage of the population in decades and centuries prior, but with so much competition from other immigrants we have been left at the bottom of the totem pole.

>Latin immigration is rising and there population is
>building, where will we be in the next 50 to 100 years? Well
>there even be such thing as black americans anymore?

I don't know.. and the thought of that is troubling.

The problem I have with the melting pot concept is that it attempts to mold together things that should be individusally appreciated. This country is suppose to be about diversity so why would anyone want a homogenous population that's built on a false majority?





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41. "RE: Assimilation."
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Thu Jan-09-03 12:02 PM

  

          

another great post ruined by a idiot...

keep pushing...
Peace.

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42. "RE: Assimilation."
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>another great post ruined by a idiot...
>


yeah, but like I said, just ignore him/them. they'll give up eventually.


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44. "RE: Assimilation."
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No doubt.

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45. "RE: Assimilation."
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>But over time the off spring within that society lose a bit
>of that heritage with each new generation.

exactly why we need to cultivate positive values, keep a strong culture and make an effort to preserve it. and when i say keep a strong culture this goes for african americans, west indians, africans. just because one person is african american and one person is jamaican doesn't mean they have to emalgamate their cultures to survive in the melting pot. diversity is always necessary, even within the black community.
believing that assimilation is the key to survival frightening to me. adapting is necessary but you always have to know who you are, how u got to where u are and understand the benefits ofindividuality.


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46. "RE: Assimilation."
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indeed but , assimilation is a natural occurrence. It's not something that one choses that they will do. Let's say america exists for a 1000 years long, do you think we will still have a black/white race problem? Or even if "black" americans will exist. We're all going to be dish water brown.....

  

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69. "RE: Assimilation."
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Um... have you looked around? We are already -- all of us -- mixed.

There is no such thing as a pure anything. And we've been mixed forever. In a 1000 years, the race line will still be there unless white people give up the idea of being special because they are white... and then we will all be varying shades of brown -- just like African-Americans are right now.

(The gene pool, I think, was never meant to be segregated.)

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47. "RE: Assimilation."
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most positive thing this year.....or past year...hmmmmm, denzel....yeah...if that influences 1 potential crypt-banga or baggy du-rag wearing wife-beater rocking "thug" to grab an 8mm camera and go after his dream (success or crash an buirn failure) the image gave options...though it was rigged...and he still deserved it...training day made me hate him...and thats what acting is about...i lost focus on denzel and believed the character existed....good job.

worst thing for african americans this year would be the disappointment called hip hop...what might have been good was ok...and what is concidered good was terrible...and what was terrible stayed there.....pure shock value...and the baseline hip hoppers forced to adjust their groove to sell albums..or call this one their last.....sadly this music has the hugest influence on our children,and us too...and worst of all rae rae the crypt banga with the baggy du-rag.......gyalee...i used to believe that music has no influence on our behavior, untill i realized a certain song made me sad....i wonder what the rest did...oh well back to lurking....

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50. "Very good point!"
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I know personally, I've built up a wall between myself and hip hop. Hip hop has disappointed me for at least a couple few years now, and its mainly due to its commercialism. Its changed into something that doesn't give me that feeling that hip hop used o give me. It seems as if hip hop has become something that any chump with balls, a mic, and shit to talk and not talk about can "embrace" and flash ass on t.v. I feel like I'm gettin' a little emotional here, but that's been a major issue for myself and my relationship to music, and black music in general. When was the last time you heard someone new who made you feel the way you did when you first heard X-Clan, or PE w/Fight the Power, or Rock the Bells and Kurtis Blow talkin' about Basketball on the radio for the first time?!

Maybe its just the curse of its own greatness. It was bound to happen I guess. As soon as MC Hammer and Young Mc started gettin' radio play and broadened the horizon and appeal of Hip Hop a little of its soul and original essence were sold.

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51. "RE: Very good point!"
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lol, sexual chocolate and the white boys??



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57. "Yeah, I know!"
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I didn't have any say so as far as the name of the band went, but the music is good. Keep ya' ears open though, we're movin' quick! We already played the Fine Line and we're gettin' more gigs in, but yeah.....THEY named it, not me! lol


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60. "RE: Very good point!"
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yeah, hip hop is that girl in class with the odor.....the indistinguishable (i made it up)..odor..

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65. "RE: Very good point!"
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Mos Def..... Black Star and Black on Both Sides started to bring that feeling back for me. I had stop listening and checking for new Rap groups and artists for a while. I just kept pulling out my old tapes and and cds. Rahkim, De La, Tribe Called Quest, P.E., Goodie Mob (1st album), OutKast (ATliens), Roots, Com Sense, and the list goes on... I even started getting back into the music of my parents time to keep me from getting caught up in the degradation of the rap music when bitches, money, hoes, mentality became the main focus even in the underground... but my brother put me up on the Black Star album and I started to get that feeling again.. There is still hope for the music in Hip Hop.

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"For trees to grow in Brooklyn seeds need to be planted. I asked, "can you feel it?" and the crowd left me stranded" -Talib kweli

"Hip Hop, a way of life it doesn't tell you how to raise a child or treat a wife" -Q-tip A tribe called Quest

"...Cats sipping champaign to toast death and pain like slaves on a ship talking about who has the flyest chain" -Talib Kweli Black Star

"We're the renegades we're the people with our own philosophy, we change the course of history. Everyday people like you and me." Afrika Bambaataa and the Soulsonic force Renegades of funk

"The children in the street no longer seek 300 and 6-0 degrees, they park they minds at 1 oh 6 and freeze" -Pos-Freedom Train

"Devil and nigga are the same to me." -Nettrice

"it's wack to me when the beat is more hype than the M.C. cuz what he is saying

  

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72. "I feel you"
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Those are actually the only cats I'll listen to really. And Outkast of course, but I've just become very selective when it comes to what music I listen too. I feel you though. There still is hope, but those cats and artists like them don't get they're due shine. Instead it goes to clowns like Nelly and chicks talkin' about their neck, back and how nasty their ass is. I don't know, there's hope, but its not lookin' good and won't be good until cats like Common, Mos, Talib, The Roots, Kast, etc, etc finally get their shine.

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68. "RE: Assimilation."
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What I don't understand is when did Black communities supposedly become... non-diverse?

I don't get it. I read posts about Africans not wanting their children to identify with their poor cousins. I read posts about African-Americans being stank to their African cousins...

Lemme take it back to the country -- everything was simple back there. You needn't say you were Black/black because it was written all over you. What kind of Black/black you were -- well, that's what getting to know you was about -- but I don't remember a push to make everything into one homogeneous Black/black stew.

When I think of places like New York or ATL, I think of Black/black people from _wherever_ mixing it up because at the end of the day -- we only have each other.

So, I feel like I am missing something here because I keep hearing it. Did someone sent a note out that said all Black/black people were the same... or are Black/black people starting to buy into the Eurocentric notion of individuality?

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67. "RE: Assimilation."
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I kept quiet till I had peace of mind.

I don't think assimilation is good or bad -- just dangerous.

It goes against what our Ancestors have been trying to give us in this country -- the ability to be who we are and loved and wanted for who we are while belonging to something bigger.

I don't think Black Americans don't recognize themselves as Americans -- I know I don't. While I roll my eyes at the apple pie rhetoric, I know it because I am an American. All I want is to be Black and love being Black and not have it counted against me.

Other ethnic groups (because I am SO not talking race here) have managed to assimilate to _some_ degree while keeping it real. However, we have't because we came to this country under hostile circumstances -- circumstances that never fully stopped.

How we help this sad country of our's is by helping her to lose her fear for people who are different, do things different, think different, worship different, etc.

To assimilate means denying the dreams my Ancestors fought for -- and I can't do that. They have been denied so much....

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"When the revolution comes, "faggots" won't be so funny." - The Last Poets

** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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48. "^Up"
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49. "Great post."
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Instead of always arguing about our differences,let's discuss the things that unite us.Regardless of your background,as a black male you are judged on sight numerous times a day in the western hemishpere,that in itself makes for a unique life experience.Black females need all the love they can get,no doubt,but if we don't love ourselves,there's not much we can offer them.
I read a few posts saying this couldn't,shouldn't happen,prove them fuckers wrong.

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53. "Healing and transition"
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This year is a year of change, a year of transition. If we are truly going to fulfill the role that many of speak about, this is the year to "take off the mask", so to speak. This is the year that we must repair our relationship with the spirit world. Ultimately, our actions should be guided by this one thought: "Is this activity going to support life, or go against life?" When we speak of life, we are talking about the not only human life, but all life on Earth. Another axiom an Elder shared with me a while ago is: "If you want to change the world, you must change yourself; in changing yourself, you are changing what is closest to you and by extension you are changing the world". So that is what I am attempting to do with my life this year- I want to restructure my activities in support of LIFE. How? Recycling. Support community farms by buying their food at a local market. Spending time with my Son and my community kids. Car-pooling when I can. Using recycled wood for projects. I figure if I start with these things, I can change the world.

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61. "cosign"
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I agree with every word you said. Its true. In order to change ones condition one must change the condition within himself. (or herself) 2003 as a year of transition is true as well. Thank you for posting that!

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55. "What jobs are we missing in?"
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Depending on the job, this question will obviously have the same answers for black men as it would for black women. but it came 2 my head and I thought why not bring it up...

So even just looking around you, what vital occupations, career paths, etc., are too often ignored by black men as valid choices?

The first one that must come to mind for me is science, because my dad is active in promoting science and technology to black youth based on the sadly low numbers of us in those fields.

Here's a weird thought - what do you think about tradespeople? As I understand it, these jobs are gonna have lots of $$$ in them as time goes by because of the way they are unpopular choices (for any race) right now... few ppl doin it, but all need em...

  

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56. "black self-love"
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i believe is the genesis of all other forms of understanding. (male-female relationships, children, outreach to the young & elderly, etc.) the issue was firmly addressed back in the day. yet today, we seem to act as though we've turned the corner when it's obvious we haven't. we don't we discuss learning to love one's self anymore?

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chocolate butterfly - self-titled
laura jane - welcome to my planet boo
me & this japanese guy - waiting for the miracle
wade3 - dreams
tracey amos - who are we really?

  

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58. "RE: black self-love"
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I agree with that.. 110%.


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59. "Cosign"
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YT won't let us love ourselves though. We gotta rid ourselves of yurugu infection and get back to what we had before we...


Zzzzzzzz...

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62. "RE: black self-love"
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Black Men, of all varieties, need to start reading bell hooks. 4 real. I think her perspective isn't given much play in our communities because of her blunt critique of capitalist/patriarchal pursuits, and what it has done to our sense of family, patience, love, and *collective* self-determination and struggle. And how patriarchy often seduces us into participating in our own oppression as Black *Men* as well as Black Women. She breaks it down in "Salvation", everybody needs to cop that. . .like Ms. Giovanni told ya, "Black Love is Black Wealth"

peep this:
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/dec95hooks.htm

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"Exploitation of all and everything is the fundamental tenet of Capitalism, and exploitation of women is the fundamental tenet of Patriarchy, both of which are the foundation and driving ethos of this country, so Niggers are simply reflecting that in their words and actions. The real problem is that in many cases, you have all these Pro-Capitalist Niggers running around promoting the wonders of Capitalism, and Pro-Patriarchal Bitches telling us that Patriarchy is good, and without something to counter this madness, our children buy into that bullshit. . ."
-Art McGee

"a good man is hard to find, but a hard man is good to find"
-some hotboy on def poetry jam, totally oblivious of the homoerotic undertones. . .or wuz he?????

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63. "RE: black self-love"
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i agree that more books by authors that don't cater to the status-quo must be read. but what other steps should we start taking? and i understand that attempting to teach people to learn to love themselves after centuries of self-hate brainwashing is the road less-traveled, trust me. but how do we as capable, intelligent and willing black men bond and learn to put our personal differences aside for the betterment of our people as a hold? hit me with some answers. we've got a nation of beautiful black women and children who are waiting on us to get our act together.

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what i'm digging right now:

chocolate butterfly - self-titled
laura jane - welcome to my planet boo
me & this japanese guy - waiting for the miracle
wade3 - dreams
tracey amos - who are we really?

  

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71. "Well,"
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i do know that unfortunately, a history of abducted, raped, broken, and displaced families is apart of our inheritance as Black People. But instead of embracing this trauma as apart of our "cultural identity", i think we need to deconstruct, decolonize, and make peace before we can truly give of ourselves. In whatever way works for you.

As Black Men, particularly in this generation, we have to negotiate so many parts of ourselves, leaving us divded and conquered. i often feel that we don't have a genuine sense of brotherhood, but various cliques/tribes, which i guess is going to happen anyway, but when it gets to the point where we can't even respect our differences enough to have a basic sense of solidarity, things have kinda gone too far.

In the era of bling-bling and babydaddy/babymamma drama (not that i'm hating on anyone's hustle, or "untraditional" domesticities, but still), Loving Blackness has become a political act in and of itself.

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"Exploitation of all and everything is the fundamental tenet of Capitalism, and exploitation of women is the fundamental tenet of Patriarchy, both of which are the foundation and driving ethos of this country, so Niggers are simply reflecting that in their words and actions. The real problem is that in many cases, you have all these Pro-Capitalist Niggers running around promoting the wonders of Capitalism, and Pro-Patriarchal Bitches telling us that Patriarchy is good, and without something to counter this madness, our children buy into that bullshit. . ."
-Art McGee

"a good man is hard to find, but a hard man is good to find"
-some hotboy on def poetry jam, totally oblivious of the homoerotic undertones. . .or wuz he?????

Re-member: James, Lorainne, Essex, Audre, Joe, June, Marlon, Assotto. . .

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PEEP GAME:
http://www.reddirt.biz
http://sugartruck.tripod.com


"I am not wrong: wrong is not my name/ My name is my own my own my own/ and I can't tell you who the hell set things up like this/ but I can tell you that

  

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70. "RE: What jobs are we missing in?"
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Educators.

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** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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64. "UNITY!"
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Unity is so important i think. Divide and conquer is what has kept the lower class, which now pretty much=blacks and latinos, at the bottom of society. Its how you had 350,000 whites(and a few blacks) dying to keep slavery, when something like 95% of them owned 1 or 0 slaves. If we dont unite its almost impossible to change anything. People need to realize that fighting amongst ourselves is what keeps us stuck where we are.

Beats to go:

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This flesh
If not because of this flesh
we could fly in the air
swim through the river
walk under the sea
and soon we would be home
soon we would be home.

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74. "RE: UNITY!"
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If you're truly looking for "Unity", you need to unite a small, influential group of like minded individuals around a goal and have them work together to attain that goal. Otherwise, you'll spend all your time rallying the troops instead of fighting the war.

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73. "i apologize"
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i am just now seeing this post. i have been keeping my distance from these boards. tired of fighting with folks lol. its a good thing to round up all the brothers though. i will read through the thread and see whats goin on......

  

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