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"Why do people need leaders?"


          

do they need role models? do they need scapegoats? are they to lazy to think for themselves?

please explain it to me.

  

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the latter of the three
Jul 30th 2004
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A leader should be none of those, only a rep of the peo
Jul 30th 2004
2
...of the people.
Jul 31st 2004
5
RE: Why do people need leaders?
Jul 31st 2004
3
All good leaders are followers...
Jul 31st 2004
4
True, true.........................
Jul 31st 2004
7
biology
Jul 31st 2004
6
RE: biology
MakeMe
Jul 31st 2004
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      huh?
Jul 31st 2004
9
           co-sign
Jul 31st 2004
10
           go to a kindergarten class
Jul 31st 2004
11
                i'd argue that it's sociology
Aug 04th 2004
21
yes. n/m
Aug 01st 2004
12
BINGO!
Aug 01st 2004
13
hehe
Aug 01st 2004
14
      really that was an serious and honest answer
Aug 03rd 2004
19
RE: Why do people need leaders?
Aug 01st 2004
15
RE: Why do people need leaders?
Aug 02nd 2004
16
      RE: Why do people need leaders?
Aug 03rd 2004
18
           RE: Why do people need leaders?
Aug 03rd 2004
20
CAUSE MOST ARE SHEEP...
Aug 02nd 2004
17

G_Smooth
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1. "the latter of the three"
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and we are all Sheep.....Americans especially...

  

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brokenchains79
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2. "A leader should be none of those, only a rep of the peo"
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...debate, debate, debate; debate for the sake of
debate, and never do a thing that is screaming to be done,
especially if the voices of the West disapprove."
Chinweizu

How can we as intelligent beings submit to the self-imprisonment
of a “saline consciousness" which insist that, contrary to all historic
evidence, Africa stops wherever salt water licks the shores? Or that,
conversely, all that is bound by salt water on the African continent is
necessarily African. What other race, and especially on the African continent,
has lost 200 million of its people through forcible uprooting? Elementary
curiosity justifies that we seek out those who survived of
that number and inquire in what forms have they survived? What have
they achieved? What have they contributed to their new environments?
What lessons, if any, have their specific genius evolved for those who
were left behind. The African habit of celebration, which is an act of
recollection, assessment and rededication validates this impulse.
Wole Soyinka

"Riots eruptin around and still we party on..."

  

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brokenchains79
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5. "...of the people."
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************************************************
...debate, debate, debate; debate for the sake of
debate, and never do a thing that is screaming to be done,
especially if the voices of the West disapprove."
Chinweizu

How can we as intelligent beings submit to the self-imprisonment
of a “saline consciousness" which insist that, contrary to all historic
evidence, Africa stops wherever salt water licks the shores? Or that,
conversely, all that is bound by salt water on the African continent is
necessarily African. What other race, and especially on the African continent,
has lost 200 million of its people through forcible uprooting? Elementary
curiosity justifies that we seek out those who survived of
that number and inquire in what forms have they survived? What have
they achieved? What have they contributed to their new environments?
What lessons, if any, have their specific genius evolved for those who
were left behind. The African habit of celebration, which is an act of
recollection, assessment and rededication validates this impulse.
Wole Soyinka

"Riots eruptin around and still we party on..."

  

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rl9
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3. "RE: Why do people need leaders?"
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>do they need role models? do they need scapegoats? are they
>to lazy to think for themselves?
>
>please explain it to me.

it has something to do with living in a society or let's say better ''group''. libido and such things...
i know it sounds vague right now but i'm kinda on the run and lazy.
and following a leader has nothing to do with being lazy or dumb imo.
imo this world is like it is at the moment because
a) the leaders of our world are not good leaders
b) people act like sheep and don't question/learn from their leaders
c) they think that they don't need a leader
(one reason is because they forget that experience is one of the most important things in life. look at how we treat older people (past sixty)in our society.)

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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Nettrice
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4. "All good leaders are followers..."
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...of something or someone. Good leaders don't come out of a vaccuum because in order to inspire or motivate others they have to be inspired or motivated themselves.

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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Francirevolutionara
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7. "True, true........................."
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your statement hit the point

  

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6. "biology"
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http://breddanansi.tumblr.com/

  

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MakeMe

Sat Jul-31-04 02:18 PM

  
8. "RE: biology"
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yeah. genetically we are hiearchichal - hierarchy..chi chal...ah you know what im trying to spell

  

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9. "huh?"
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************************************************
...debate, debate, debate; debate for the sake of
debate, and never do a thing that is screaming to be done,
especially if the voices of the West disapprove."
Chinweizu

How can we as intelligent beings submit to the self-imprisonment
of a “saline consciousness" which insist that, contrary to all historic
evidence, Africa stops wherever salt water licks the shores? Or that,
conversely, all that is bound by salt water on the African continent is
necessarily African. What other race, and especially on the African continent,
has lost 200 million of its people through forcible uprooting? Elementary
curiosity justifies that we seek out those who survived of
that number and inquire in what forms have they survived? What have
they achieved? What have they contributed to their new environments?
What lessons, if any, have their specific genius evolved for those who
were left behind. The African habit of celebration, which is an act of
recollection, assessment and rededication validates this impulse.
Wole Soyinka

"Riots eruptin around and still we party on..."

  

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afrobongo
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10. "co-sign"
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11. "go to a kindergarten class"
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kids that aren't really super-socialized yet, will divide themselves into leaders and followers.

Biology.

Peep the rest of the animal kingdom.

Biology.

one
k. orr

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21. "i'd argue that it's sociology"
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but I see your point..

  

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teech
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12. "yes. n/m"
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13. "BINGO!"
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are they
>to lazy to think for themselves?
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>please explain it to me.


Im still tryin to figure that part out

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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14. "hehe"
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Sun Aug-01-04 02:05 PM

          

you just got me.

not bad, really not bad.

nevertheless, it was not my intention to adopt someone's opinion. i just tried to find out how other people explain this phenomenon.

  

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Yank
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19. "really that was an serious and honest answer"
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Tue Aug-03-04 02:38 AM

  

          

Im just as baffled as you are

I think one reason could be people are caught up in circumstance all of the time, the thrill of the moment and not really paying attention to the past or the future, or the facts for that matter. They want answers but are too lazy to research when all of the answers are right there.

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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15. "RE: Why do people need leaders?"
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Leader/Leadership is the most worthless creation of modern civilization.Only animals need a constant supervision and only the pathetic needs someone to tell him/her what to do or remedy their problems. I consider myself an antiestablishment and I don't need to follow no one but my own conscience. If each man and woman follow their conscience and police them selves, social problems will cease to exist. Then we wouldn't need those ego-tripping muthafuckas to lead us.














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"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, the situation is reversed.",,,Anonymous.

"Man is defined as a human being and a woman as a female - whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male.",,,Simone de Beauvoir.

"Unlike the classical European, the balck African does not distinguish himself from an object. He does not hold it at a distance, he does not look at it, he does not examine it...He touches it, he fingers it, he feels it.",,,Leopold Senghor. 1960

What the world needs is not redemption from sin but redemption from hunger and oppression; it has no need to pin its hopes upon Heaven, it has everything to hope for from this earth." Friedrich Durrenmutt.

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"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, the situation is reversed.",,,Anonymous.

http://www.myspace.com/shakg

  

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16. "RE: Why do people need leaders?"
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>Leader/Leadership is the most worthless creation of modern
>civilization.

i don't think this is a modern concept at all.

Only animals need a constant supervision and
>only the pathetic needs someone to tell him/her what to do
>or remedy their problems.

nice illusion.

I consider myself an
>antiestablishment and I don't need to follow no one but my
>own conscience. If each man and woman follow their
>conscience and police them selves, social problems will
>cease to exist. Then we wouldn't need those ego-tripping
>muthafuckas to lead us.

well, someone will always lead. think about that.
ever been part of a group?
i think the reason we are having those ego-tripping mofos is because everyone is following their own conscience (or lack thereof).


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>"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, the
>situation is reversed.",,,Anonymous.
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>"Man is defined as a human being and a woman as a female -
>whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate
>the male.",,,Simone de Beauvoir.
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>"Unlike the classical European, the balck African does not
>distinguish himself from an object. He does not hold it at a
>distance, he does not look at it, he does not examine
>it...He touches it, he fingers it, he feels it.",,,Leopold
>Senghor. 1960
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>What the world needs is not redemption from sin but
>redemption from hunger and oppression; it has no need to pin
>its hopes upon Heaven, it has everything to hope for from
>this earth." Friedrich Durrenmutt.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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18. "RE: Why do people need leaders?"
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>well, someone will always lead. think about that.
>ever been part of a group?

Yes, I am part of a group of people that are smart, think for themselves, formulate their own opinions and question authority. Tell me why is it necessary to have leaders that are elitist, racist, pathological liars, hypocrites? George Bush for example who does not possess a single ounce of integrity, how is he better to lead? Don't you know that 90% of the world crimes, atrocities, social and environmental disasters are created/perpetrated by governments/leaders. Just imagine a world without them.






http://www.myspace.com/shakg


**********#**********#**********#**********#**********#**********#**********

"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, the situation is reversed.",,,Anonymous.

http://www.myspace.com/shakg

  

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rl9
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20. "RE: Why do people need leaders?"
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>Yes, I am part of a group of people that are smart, think
>for themselves, formulate their own opinions and question
>authority.

okay.

>Tell me why is it necessary to have leaders that
>are elitist, racist, pathological liars, hypocrites?

i don't think that's neccessary at all. and the original question was ''why do people need leaders?''. as far as i understand it the word leader is not automatically to be associated with something negative. maybe that's your problem.
true, most political leaders we have today may not be perfect examples to follow but i still think a life without leaders is an illusion.

George
>Bush for example who does not possess a single ounce of
>integrity, how is he better to lead? Don't you know that 90%
>of the world crimes, atrocities, social and environmental
>disasters are created/perpetrated by governments/leaders.
>Just imagine a world without them.

i can imagine a world with better leaders but i guess you think you don't need leaders at all.
sound like anarchy?
tell us your concept.

''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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17. "CAUSE MOST ARE SHEEP..."
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SLEEP
AND SHEEP NEED TO BE LEAD.
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