go to artist discussion board
check my post
f!#@ the police

this world is so dramatic

Seemed pretty accurate.

Honesty is a tough thing to come by these days. We're all to blame for the crap this country is in.

Some are unjust victims.

Those who perpetuate (on either side) are conscious criminals.

"All are punish-ed"

phew. peace,

***I'm a Child of Production***

...Dead Prez.

Aiight... At least, put it on a soundtrack or sumpthin.

Mama's Gun is my shit btw...

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IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE
PUBLIC ENEMY
THE COUP
DEAD PREZ

WAKE UP MY NIGGAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!

This brings it home:

who is the police?
not the officers who have given thier lives on 911.
not yo uncle Micheal.
not LATIFAH's pops ( who happens to be an x-cop).
...they all WORK for THE POLICE.

representing the HOOD



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>This brings it home:

>not LATIFAH's pops ( who happens to be an x-cop).
>...they all WORK for THE POLICE.

my dad's an ex-cop. my grandfather was one, too.

my dad always broke down the differences between the "cowboys" and the folks trying to earn a decent living while maybe helping a person or two.

when he hears about diallo and things like that, he's just as pissed as the rest of us.

so while i respect those trying to make a difference, the system can kiss my ass.



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~*~musical revolution~*~

"The world was warned about this...The CIA calls what happened in London today "blowback." It is wrong, it is heinous, it is murder plain and simple, and it was as predictable as the sun rising in the East." ~Wm Rivers Pitt

I was at yalls show in Columbia, MD. And when you said this on stage, EVERYBODY started clappin. Because everybody understood. We know there are good cops who go into that profession because they actually want to help people. But we know the flipside to that too. And in reality it's bigger than police. Blacks don't own the airstrips or the airplanes, the ports or the ships that bring that crap in. We in the hood...and it's brung right to us.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

peace and light
down here in the dirty dirty we know what happens next , brothers and sisters...

1. badu shows up on stage headwrapped and strapped , fist waving , dropping 120 and khemetic science (1997)

2. badu shows up on stage afro'd with tuning forks re callobrating the rooms she plays in
(2000)

3. badu moves around country w/ dp from community center to community center (2002)

4. badu brings attention to the dope game, again, on world wide underground ( 2003)

5.badu shows up with the MINISTER on cspan talkin about the new world (2005)

...... heres where it gets tricky

6. badu , after sayin f the police since 1999 , finally makes heasdlines in 2005 a.d. (2005
SUGAR WATER FEST )see ny post

...... and quite possibly

7. badu 's tour bus WILL be planted w/ drugs or her name and character is defunked so SHE
is a specticle of '' celebity entertainment'' or some bullshit like that.

8. misunderstanding THE GAME, the masses fall for it

9. badu is persicuted by her own people .....to be continued

thats kwoledge to born

but it dont have to go down like that, soldiers...not this time.

i wont stop sayin FUCK the police
i wont stop defending the poor by sharing the truth about love
i will not stop waving mamas gun
i will not stop building bridges
our children depend on that
i am not affraid.

representing, GOoD,
im erykah badu
no strawman

peace after revolution

Never that sis..... NEVER that.

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that dealt with opression at it's root that wasn't crucified or discredited, and in the end they legacy was tainted by a schicsm left in the community of those that believed in them, in what their message was and those that believed the shit folk said and prolly never proved about 'em.




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The law of entropy states that there is one body of energy which keeps the world going. During times of productivity, this energy is used to create, to build, to improve. Any energy which is left over must, by scientific law, be used to destroy the very society that we create.

Because of this, we'll probably never rid the world of evil, greed, or jealousy. Peace and freedom can only be found in death, as no actual examples of either peace or freedom can be found anywhere in the modern world. As long as the good fight evil, the evil will fight the good.

So...to summarize, fuck the police to the fullest, but fuck the delusional do-gooders too.

I mean damn, so with that in mind...why even care?

Or are you saying that the battle aint to win the war, but instead to fight the good fight?


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For "Her own people" I meant the one's that are *truly* down with her... Not that "no Black people breathing in existence would ever sell her out and turn on her based on what THEY say..."

Prolly shoulda just spoke for myself... I know the game.

So........ *ME* persicute Miss Badu?

NEVER that.

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'cause you should never apply the laws of physics and chemistry to our social constructs, the analogies just won't bend to fit eh.

The only way to win is to fight the fight, some of us can fight the big battles, may more of us can fight the little ones; promoting nihilism just ain't gonna cut it.

*edit* And I'm not just talking about drugs in the States either, I'm speaking much more universally.

*extra edit* And to get real technical, the entropy part of the laws of thermodynamics state two things: systems (and we're talking systems at an atomic scale) will revert to disorder if possible, and that no reaction is 100 % efficient, but that's it; they're laws for systems in which the parts = the whole, but the way people live is different (any society is greater than the sum of its parts).

>'cause you should never apply the laws of physics and
>chemistry to our social constructs, the analogies just won't
>bend to fit eh.

they do in some instances. check out game theory or just watch a beautiful mind. that dude's whole premise was that certain socio-economic factors can be quantified and predicted based on certain mathematical models. or for that matter, check out Aasimov's "Foundation" series...it's fiction but its ideas are baseed on sound, if speculative math

>The only way to win is to fight the fight, some of us can
>fight the big battles, may more of us can fight the little
>ones; promoting nihilism just ain't gonna cut it.

i don't see the cat's philosophy as nihilistic. just as buddhism, which advocates the non-existence of a soul or any permanent intrinsic object-properties, was called nihilistic by the early hindus who believed in the positive existence of one, so the idea of non-violence and non-resistance (King, Jesus, Buddha, almost every "mystical" religious leader) seems hopeless when compared to dualism or social conflict theory--where society, the universe, existence, is veiwed in terms of discrete parts all operating with their own movement, bumping into each other, causing friction and the appearance of a divided universe. to the contrary, co-operation theory advances the notion that all things are just one big thing (like the cells of your body are just you but YOU are not just the cells of your body), sum being larger than the parts, that's the universe viewed thru unity. in such a system it becomes obvious that two actually unified forces competing with one another set up the apperance of good and evil where in actually mutuality prevails: ergo, common enmity. eureka, the two foces who think they are enemies are actually partners in the same lethal dance! ah but how to tell that to the little cells who must be shed?

>*edit* And I'm not just talking about drugs in the States
>either, I'm speaking much more universally.
>
>*extra edit* And to get real technical, the entropy part of
>the laws of thermodynamics state two things: systems (and
>we're talking systems at an atomic scale) will revert to
>disorder if possible, and that no reaction is 100 % efficient,
>but that's it; they're laws for systems in which the parts =
>the whole, but the way people live is different (any society
>is greater than the sum of its parts).

yes, absolutely. what's funny is that i can almost restate your reasoning verbatim and come in my mind to the exact opposite conclusion because in a reaction (whether as simple and inert as mixing kool-aid, water and sugar or as complex as the exchange of energy and transformation of matter that is bloodshed) nothing is 100%, thus nothing is finished, perfected, leaving the door open for later reactions--everything evolving--the "fighting" never ends, "reactions" never end, it does, at some point, taken to its logical conclusion, does sort of beg the question of "What's the point?"

Or put it like this, We as black folks with our allies fight segregation and win! Yay! Then all of a sudden all the money flows out of our "system" and we're broke in the hood, leaving a whole new battle to fight, say, for dough, which we start making through, say, music, basketball, entertainment, media, and that's good, but then we have to fight to keep our morality in check because the entertainment world basically tries to strip that shit away quick, and blah, blah, it does go on and on. I don't know if that's nihilistic or just clairvoyant.

be god!

>>'cause you should never apply the laws of physics and
>>chemistry to our social constructs, the analogies just won't
>>bend to fit eh.
>
>they do in some instances. check out game theory or just watch
>a beautiful mind. that dude's whole premise was that certain
>socio-economic factors can be quantified and predicted based
>on certain mathematical models. or for that matter, check out
>Aasimov's "Foundation" series...it's fiction but its ideas are
>baseed on sound, if speculative math

Half the world's problems might have been solved if people stopped mixing fiction up with fact (Beautiful Mind was BASED on a true story, but that doesn't make the movie real). You can't possibly try to tell me that sound math can be speculative at the same time can ya?

My objection is simple: the laws of thermodynamics do not inevitably mean that no struggle is worthwhile, that's all. I'll put the challenge this way: Show me a social example that fits the equation G=H-TS (G being Gibb's Free Energy, H being Enthalpy, T being temperature and S being entropy), and I'll take it all back. And I don't mean find substitutes for the variables, I'm talking about a literal interpretation of the laws of thermodynamics at a macro-scale. Too petty? Maybe? But my point is that just because one relationship has the same mathematical description (y=a-b*c in this case), doesn't mean that they're the same (Don't get me started on social darwinism).

Now I'm a free-wheeling cat, horrifically cynical but at heart an optimist, and I refuse to believe the whole "It'll never work, so why bother trying" argument....Imagine if slaves and abolitionists thought like that? Or if Nelson Mandela had gone "Well, it might mean hard work, and I can't guarantee that we'll end apartheid"? Given that you can't guarantee that your children will grow up to become perfect adults, does that mean we should just turf 'em out if the going gets to tough?

If it didn't involve hard-work and a sturggle against a bleack outlook, it'd probably be sorted by now, but that's not to say it's not worthwhile trying to improve the lot of everybody doesn't it?

>
>Half the world's problems might have been solved if people
>stopped mixing fiction up with fact (Beautiful Mind was BASED
>on a true story, but that doesn't make the movie real). You
>can't possibly try to tell me that sound math can be
>speculative at the same time can ya?

Co-sign.

>My objection is simple: the laws of thermodynamics do not
>inevitably mean that no struggle is worthwhile, that's all.
>I'll put the challenge this way: Show me a social example that
>fits the equation G=H-TS (G being Gibb's Free Energy, H being
>Enthalpy, T being temperature and S being entropy), and I'll
>take it all back. And I don't mean find substitutes for the
>variables, I'm talking about a literal interpretation of the
>laws of thermodynamics at a macro-scale. Too petty? Maybe?
>But my point is that just because one relationship has the
>same mathematical description (y=a-b*c in this case), doesn't
>mean that they're the same (Don't get me started on social
>darwinism).

Co-sign. Look at Russell's work; the shift from Pythagorean dream to nightmare.

go down is given a pulpit, they gon rush to discredit.

Keep strong, cus someone gotta let folk know wsup. Seems like noone even paid the Kerry comission no mind.

And the cycle continues.


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glad to see some artists out here that still got love for the People, got love for the poor & oppressed communities.. tired of all these cats with that "get-rich-and-fuck-the-hood" (mos def) mentality.. i got ya back 100 percent..

stay free & strong badu...

peace
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did she just take a shot at THE GAME?

i hope so. the one thing that pisses me off about artists like dead prez, is that they don't critisize artists for gloryfying the wrong things. its one thing to give us a history lesson about the ills of the community with the drugs and what not, but to give niggas who CELEBRATE/GLORIFY the shit a free pass? you mean to tell me niggas like Jeezy and 50 (who are pushing more units that all okayartists for some "mysterious" reason) can brag and boast about being dope pushers, and the conscious artists dont have SHIT to say!? cmon now - silence is deadly.

*****
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I'm out of control
the whole--damn--party
--is--out--of control!
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>i hope so. the one thing that pisses me off about artists like
>dead prez, is that they don't critisize artists for gloryfying
>the wrong things.

i had an argument with this cat about this.. he asked how come "conscious" rappers like kweli, mos, common, thought, and dpz don't call out bullshit rappers (eminem was the main topic, but also ferrari f-50 and the like)..

my thing is:
-first of all, how do you know they haven't??
these artists do a lot of mixtapez and shit..
a lot of their shit is underground..

-second of all, why should they??
why waste time and energy sayin that rappers are bullshit for braggin about material possessionz or that eminem is a racist cracker?? got more important shit to teach...

nopeace
liveiLL

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>my thing is:
>-first of all, how do you know they haven't??

- because we havent heard them.

>these artists do a lot of mixtapez and shit..
>a lot of their shit is underground..

- man this is the age of the internet. when mos def called out lil john and his SAM-BO's that shit was on every hip hop message board on the net. imagine what an entire song would do...

>-second of all, why should they??
>why waste time and energy sayin that rappers are bullshit for
>braggin about material possessionz or that eminem is a racist
>cracker?? got more important shit to teach...

- because its like this: what sense does it make to be anti-this and that, when you've got million dollar multiplatinum niggas promoting and rapping against what YOU are preaching. how can you be against drugs in the community and crack and its affects on our people, when young jeezy is sitting over there pushing more units than you, getting more love from the streets than you, all the while rapping about pushing mad weight being the "SNOWMAN" because he got so much white. surely you can differentiate between somebody BOASTING and bragging and loving the lifestyle as oppose to somebody rapping about the harsh realities of it dont you?

no child,

''THE GAME'' refers to the dope game, the pimp game ,the slave game etc...

THE GAME ,THE M.C. uses that as his name cause he understands the game, dont sleep.

and for the record , MOS DEF is as awake as they come. (listen to his work some more)

i would never take a shot at an artist for saying their peace.

infact, that is the very thing i fight against, brothers and sisters.

all points valid.

free badu!

you gonna keep dropping science for the next 7 years

Cause if you do, I want to make sure I see it.

"The new age of education is programmed for discovery rather than instruction.Art as radar environment, radar feedback, early warning system: the antennae of the race." – Marshall McLuhan

peace

Keep teaching the babies cause they all we got.
Peace & Love.

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Be careful in LA sis cause LAPD/Military/Homeland security/CIA aint fuckin playing. OPERATION NUTCRACKER is real and coming to a city near you.Shit. are fuckin police chief Bratton went to isreal for terrorist training. and Guess who they using thier tactics on. Many Black asses. Those pigs killed a father and his toddler this last week.







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>Be careful in LA sis cause LAPD/Military/Homeland
>security/CIA aint fuckin playing...
>Those pigs killed a father and his toddler this last week.

You forget to mention the fact that he (the father) used his OWN child as a human shield while firing his gun at the police. What tactics would have been better under such situation where the lives of innocent people hang in the balance of the father's bullets?

It is absolutely ridiculous to dream and want a society without law enforcement. Can you imagine what your life would be like without the police, military and government agencies protecting our rights and liberties in a free society?? Obviously not by your comments. Anarchy is not the way, my friends.

Have there been injustices perpetrated by those who would abuse their positions of authority? Absolutely there have been. However, to generalize, profile and discriminate those agencies as a whole is just as bad as economical/racial profiling. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Time to take responsibility for one's own actions and start to end this horrible cycle. It starts and home and ends with a united community.

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ME PEACE,LOVE
& SOOOOUUUULLLL>

soul sister,
either you sad or mad or a frustrated artist, so
i love you ,sis
but you aint the only sister who visit they man in jail , sweetheart.
and im not here to judge you...nor you i.
or better yet , scratch that. ...thats ''x- zakly'' what this board is for.
so keep on sayin what you ''FEEL''.
but KNOW this.....
we all in this struggle , love.
i love bein an entertainer....love my job.
but peep game, im no celebrity.
i love the hood...but i dont love poverty
i love yo opinion ....but i 'm no asshole.
i post just so you can write the lil' comments that make you feel like someone speacial.
i got news for you, precious.... you are. (print this out)
i know nothing for sure...but i have a STRONG feeling i might have to whip yo ass at some point and help you drop some of that excess baggage .(lol)
lets hope not.
we'll call it tough love....wink .

seriously tho,
you got some nerve and an intelligent head on ya. but im not the enemy , friend.


peace and light

sense of humility.

-Otto

...tell me about it.

I post just so you can write the lil' comments that make you feel like someone speacial.
i got news for you, precious.... you are. (print this out)
i know nothing for sure...but i have a STRONG feeling i might have to whip yo ass at some point and help you drop some of that excess baggage .(lol) - BADU


The mind is everything; what you think, you become. -Buddha

Knowledge of self is like Life after Death -Talib Kweli

How you gone have HIGH expectations but got LOW patience? -Mos Def

Peace, Luv, Power

incorrectly. the "lol" is an indicator...and the word "precious"....

Peace,

-Otto

I post just so you can write the lil' comments that make you feel like someone speacial.
i got news for you, precious.... you are. (print this out)



The mind is everything; what you think, you become. -Buddha

Knowledge of self is like Life after Death -Talib Kweli

How you gone have HIGH expectations but got LOW patience? -Mos Def

Peace, Luv, Power

.

a person reading....
and not just looking for flaws....

Don't assume. Please. I don't have time to search for flaws in others. I got my own shyt to worry bout. I simply thought the stmnt was EXTRA and thats my porog. PERIOD. I also thought some of old girls stmnts were un called for as well. This is not an attack.
Oh yeah and "fuck the police !" You don't need to respond to my lil comment to make me feel special =) PEACE


The mind is everything; what you think, you become. -Buddha

Knowledge of self is like Life after Death -Talib Kweli

How you gone have HIGH expectations but got LOW patience? -Mos Def

Peace, Luv, Power

"know nothing for sure...but i have a STRONG feeling i might have to whip yo ass at some point and help you drop some of that excess"

- aaawwrighty then.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE...
Um Thank you SUAVE BRO!


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First I’m gonna say that I have been a supporter of yours for a long time...even against my better judgment in light of you ability to have a lack of consistency with your expressed artistry. But we are not bound but any rules I guess when we are artist. I'm am sure that all of 16 dollar’s is in your bank account from me personally, after the man gets his of course. So excuse me if I have something to say in response to what you put out into the universe...or did you forget all that holistic stuff in you traipse back to the hood.

Second since you want to take it to the mat here in the activist league let me post my initial response to your fuck the police bit since you chose not to respond to the serious inquiry and entertain the minimal observation...

56. "(((((((((((I love ya sis BUT))))))))))"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Jul-19-05 06:10 AM by buttersoul

YOUR POINT IS????????????????????????

So is ya man locked up from the Part 3 of other side of the game?
Do you have 2 blood brothers doing time for thugishness, gun charges or drug peddling...

Oh you've experienced this in the glam your call artistry.

I so respect you for your perspective but I'm finding myself lacking the reality of taking your bebe to the prison at 5 am after driving all night since you got off work to see you honey while you slept for 2 hrs in the car while the busses of women from the city roll on in and you loose you place and have to wait and it now like 10 am and you aint seen your man yet while you got 20$ of quarters in you pocket for snacks and a bill or two for a Polaroid.


Ms. Badu I love you but you just seem to celestially pimp a portion of the game that you can or want to notice...


WHAT ABOUT THE WHOLE STORY!?!?!?

You are close to glamorizing something that is heart wrenching for many and deeper that a part 1, 2 or 3 of songs you capitalize off of...maybe this is that misunderstanding that is an issue for you....but try to shine on all sides then...and listen harder cause we both know that talk is cheap!

aaight
then?!

And to take it further...you talk bout fuck the police...but when is the last time you were racially profiled and pulled over while driving in a hood not your color in a car that aint suppose to be yours?
That ish happened to me this weekend on my way to the beach...

So if you gonna NWA it and talk ya fuck the police ish...have some solid footing sis.

respect.


...and I ask you again...what is your point????? What are you really saying or are you reaching for attention? Is that your present artist statement for your work?

Do you really think the thugish idolatry is good for (y)our people as you so tongue in cheek attempt to imply with you own attempt in a demeaning response to me. Did I touch a mantan nerve. Cause that’s all it is when you mutate you professional personality and regress to this point further glamorizing the very thing we all strive to move beyond. And don’t get it twisted I’m no judge of you. You are but an image you put out for the world to see. I have know comprehension who Ms Badu is...But I will take response to you words and what appear as attention hungry post. Cause the initial fuck the police post wasn’t bout fuck the police it was all about you. Your response to me is "either you sad or mad or a frustrated artist" isn't that you transferring your own frustrations on me and my opinion. Actually I’m a very productive and fulfilled artist never mind if I never got the bank roll you have for what I do. Some artist aint sensitive bout they shit, they NIKE! With little or no acknowledgement of their efforts they produce...without mantan'in.

So did this “fuck the police” bit your on come from the DOC? Where is it coming from? There is no logical process in my opinion…just a gimmick for attention if you are unable to explain beyond this “other side of the game” theory you got going. Oh, fuck the police cause my man is a drug dealer?...And that isn’t as "mantan" of a statement as the yin yang twins and the whisper song? Come on Sis. Lets talk about how the hood especially a southern hood is a marketable statement in your industry right now...lets be honest. Shit we got puffy in the south doing his own brand of bullshit too.

Yeah this board, our art is to say exactly what you feel. But there is always a critic or critique to be had. Yes, I believe you when you say you aint a celebrity...sike ya own mind...that’s why you post ish like this in response...
"i post just so you can write the lil' comments that make you feel like someone speacial."
You post to get your fill of attention that is necessary for a "celebrity" like you. Myself I live in the shadows and the little airtime you thing your giving me has no worth. I could give 2 shit if you or any one else reads my response...but I know I'm being true to my truth. Do you know what your truth really is Ms. Wright?

So make your way to whup my as since you got this "strong" feeling. Do you need an address? We can have a durrty south show down and you can put in on pay per view and make lots of money on the "mantan" tip. But your right lets call it tough love. Cause all in all I still appreciate what you do regardless what issues I have with your fluidity and consistency.

No you’re not the enemy but I wonder if you've lost you way on that path of stardom you've been on. How common it is to buckle and loose the original thought when your artistry becomes financially a lotto ticket. No you ain't the enemy but are you the house nigga telling massa to wake up while his house is on fiyah and I'm blowing on the house, praying for wind, praying it burns. Are you gettin' that bucket water to put the fire out? Are you pretending to blow so the niggas don’t realize you a house nigga that really don’t give a fuck bout them field niggas? Cause really I thought that wasn't where you were coming from but now your just suspect and been suspect for some time with the fake dreads, the pseudo Queen Afua talk of Khemit and incense, the afro wigs now this gangsta yack. Where is the truth? Where is your truth ? I'm so eager to know. Who are you really schoolin' Ms. Wright?

And if you read this far I'm proud of you...whoever you are.
Maybe you or someone got some answers instead of backfire rebuttals and kickback. I have asked many questions and all the “SISTAH” talk you got and love and respect you kick ain’t answering any questions!

AND WHAT WAS THE POINT OF YOUR ORIGINAL POST AGAIN???
Looka me??? Or does glorifying some culturally obnoxious ish really make a point? or a PROFIT???

peep this...

"If you don’t know the kind of person I am,
and I don’t know the kind of person you are
a pattern that others made may prevail in the world
and following the wrong god home
we may miss our star...” -William Strafford

YOU keep shinin'

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Damn!

WOOOOOOO! (c) ric flair.

>Or does glorifying some culturally obnoxious ish <

so you are saying fuck the police is culturally obnoxious, yet we see time and time again that police all over the country kill "us" ( mainly black man, and i'm a black man) and they get away wit it. a teenager shot in the chest becuz a cop was so scared seein a bird chest 18 year old goin up a stair case wit cd's. laws are pasted specifically for black people to go to jail and this has been goin on since the slaveships. my point is any negroe has a right to say fuck the police.

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"What I don't like is Negro elders finally taking a stand for cultural ethics by way of Caucasian vomit. What this now shows young people is that white guilt is still more powerful than black unity." - Star

AGAIN is "fuck the police really the point or is it just a financially gainful ploy of a "celebrity"? I dont see no Ms. Wright in the street protesting when a nigga get shot!

ZIP IT FOOL!

accept have the system give us lip service and promises only to do the same shit agian. she doesn't have to protest, her influence isn't that great anyway.

>I dont see no Ms. Wright in the street protesting when a nigga get shot!<

so her rage as a black woman / black person isn't enough for you, you need a negroe to parade in front of white gov't officials pleadin for justice to a bunch of old white people.

www.hiphopmusic.com

"What I don't like is Negro elders finally taking a stand for cultural ethics by way of Caucasian vomit. What this now shows young people is that white guilt is still more powerful than black unity." - Star

>accept have the system give us lip service and promises only
>to do the same shit agian. she doesn't have to protest, her
>influence isn't that great anyway.

she doesnt have to protest. but she also doesn't have to be a habitual line stepper and split hairs between who's the police and who isnt. between who's the so-caled 'REAL' enemy, or who's the dumb being lead by the blind.

okay ...so who the fuck ARE the police then?

who were the pigs who sodimized abner louima?

who were the pigs who shot and killed the three young black brotha's on the new jersey turnpike?

if they weren't the police then....who ...were...THEY?

and now that she found out that her homegirl 'tifah... who by the way aint got clean hands herself.... has a pops who's an ex-cop.....

...oh! so now the whole meaning of 'fuck the police' has changed? has she changed it in order to align her definition of the term in order to absolve herself from the feds or the poilce harrassing her and forcing promoters to deny her shine time to perform and further capitilze on the misery of minority families whos loved ones were murdered by some racist cop?

...yet she wanna still holla fuck the police. ....but spilt hairs.

fuck outta here.

>
> >I dont see no Ms. Wright in the street protesting when a
>nigga get shot!<
>
>so her rage as a black woman / black person isn't enough for
>you, you need a negroe to parade in front of white gov't
>officials pleadin for justice to a bunch of old white people.

anyone who gets on the worldwide stage hollerin 'revolution' and 'the movement' and 'fuck the police' BETTER COME CORRECT and practice the shit they preech.

ESPECIALLY if they claim to be a 'revolutionary'. which is a term that is FAR too loosely used by these so called 'conscious' artists... when they themsleves didnt march with the panthers onto the floor of the state assembly in sacramento california, or faced up against any fire hoses.

imo ...if your gonna play the role, you need to BE that role. otherwise, it aint nuffin but a whole lot of shit talkin'.

nigguhz aint taken over court houses cuz there ain't enuff of us down. too many are sleep walkin, and we dont need the scared.

www.hiphopmusic.com

"What I don't like is Negro elders finally taking a stand for cultural ethics by way of Caucasian vomit. What this now shows young people is that white guilt is still more powerful than black unity." - Star

exactly.

>>accept have the system give us lip service and promises
>only
>>to do the same shit agian. she doesn't have to protest,
>her
>>influence isn't that great anyway.
>
>she doesnt have to protest. but she also doesn't have to be a
>habitual line stepper and split hairs between who's the police
>and who isnt. between who's the so-caled 'REAL' enemy, or
>who's the dumb being lead by the blind.
>
>okay ...so who the fuck ARE the police then?
>
>who were the pigs who sodimized abner louima?
>
>who were the pigs who shot and killed the three young black
>brotha's on the new jersey turnpike?
>
>if they weren't the police then....who ...were...THEY?
>
>and now that she found out that her homegirl 'tifah... who by
>the way aint got clean hands herself.... has a pops who's an
>ex-cop.....
>
>...oh! so now the whole meaning of 'fuck the police' has
>changed? has she changed it in order to align her definition
>of the term in order to absolve herself from the feds or the
>poilce harrassing her and forcing promoters to deny her shine
>time to perform and further capitilze on the misery of
>minority families whos loved ones were murdered by some racist
>cop?
>
>...yet she wanna still holla fuck the police. ....but spilt
>hairs.
>
>fuck outta here.
>
>>
>> >I dont see no Ms. Wright in the street protesting when a
>>nigga get shot!<
>>
>>so her rage as a black woman / black person isn't enough for
>>you, you need a negroe to parade in front of white gov't
>>officials pleadin for justice to a bunch of old white
>people.
>
>anyone who gets on the worldwide stage hollerin 'revolution'
>and 'the movement' and 'fuck the police' BETTER COME CORRECT
>and practice the shit they preech.
>
>ESPECIALLY if they claim to be a 'revolutionary'. which is a
>term that is FAR too loosely used by these so called
>'conscious' artists... when they themsleves didnt march with
>the panthers onto the floor of the state assembly in
>sacramento california, or faced up against any fire hoses.
>
>imo ...if your gonna play the role, you need to BE that role.
>otherwise, it aint nuffin but a whole lot of shit talkin'.
>
>

Nah-it aint about changing the meaning of who the police is...its about systems and who keeps the systems moving. If u wiped out all the po-po, u haven't destroyed anything. Just people who can be replaced. However if you destroy the concept-the system that is the "police" than you've destroyed it at the core.

---
Blk poets die from not being read.

-Don L. Lee

why?

The question asked most by 85....

LOL

please re- read her post and dont ask why after.. cause WHY is just, not a real question.

sounds like my 6 year old stepdaughter...

me: the leaves are green
her: Why?
me: what?

((((((((((((SIG))))))))))))))

I have a really big mouth...

>accept have the system give us lip service and promises only
>to do the same shit agian. she doesn't have to protest, her
>influence isn't that great anyway.
>
> >I dont see no Ms. Wright in the street protesting when a
>nigga get shot!<
>
>so her rage as a black woman / black person isn't enough for
>you, you need a negroe to parade in front of white gov't
>officials pleadin for justice to a bunch of old white people.
>

Precisely! She is a BLACK woman. Her rites to speak is the skin she's in. Secondly she's an artist. We all have gifts. Some folks are Doctors for "the ppl". Some are "Lawyers". Some are prolific speakers. Some emcees, writers, and sangers. You need every instrument in the orchestra and u damn sure dont attack the drums for not sounding like a trumpet.



Blk poets die from not being read.

-Don L. Lee

''i dont see ms. wright in the street when a nigga get shot?''

am i on the right board?
what in the HELL are you talking about , sister?

you just wanna talk hu?

well go on talk...

what is this?

some kiddie opinion corner?

bless your heart , young queen. and shame on you.
i got lots on my plate .... quite enough.
i cant show you my whole hand , young butter.
so ill just bite my lip and keep this poka face.

we just might be on the front line together one day....
(shakes head)


peace queen

negroes have always shown more agression towards their own than the enemy, so this shouldn't surprise you. even if she does have some knowledge of self. she will tell you what you ain't doing, but the schools inher "hood" are turnin out criminals at an alarming rate, and she would be civil as hell in front of the white man handlin the education budget in her city.

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"What I don't like is Negro elders finally taking a stand for cultural ethics by way of Caucasian vomit. What this now shows young people is that white guilt is still more powerful than black unity." - Star

with OKPers or OKartists. Make a point or make a harmless joke, or keep it moving. Period.


Right back at ya kid with all the universal positivity.

*raising the fist as I go gets ma gunz*
lmao.

"What people think of me is none
of my business." ~O.Winfrey

Now you learn.



Remind me never to argue with you.

LOVE

This is why I wouldn't want to be famous because the whole world is watching. If singers come out being who they truly are from jump, then people wouldn't jump all in their faces about being "frauds."

But some singers come out as a gimmick to get money and then when they get a little bit of money, they want their "true" selves to shine through -- Mariah Carey comes to mind. I wonder what her "Vision of Love" fans are thinking, hearing her singing: "Chickens be ashy like lotion" -- I don't know what she's saying, but it's some silly mess like that. She came out as a "gimmick" to get money and that's the bottom line. Everybody loves money. That what makes the world go round and that is why, to me, this world is a bore, so I stay in my own little world, my dream world, and live my life as I see fit: quietly and simply.

Anyway, the one singer that I have seen so far that has been consistent (music, personality wise) is Fiona.

Oh, I just wanted to add as a sidenote -- Just because people are famous doesn't mean their "craft" is better. I'm a writer and I know I am much better than some of these people that get stuff published. BUT I want to be seen as literary, NOT Terry McMillian. That is why I would always think twice about becoming some "gimmick" to sell a book. I couldn't bare to be seen as a writer with skills less than Katherine Mansfield or Anton Chekhov.

Famous people think they proved their "craft" just by becoming famous, but some of the best singers, best dancers, best writers, and best painters are not being paid and STILL ENJOY what they do and still are maintaining and living life! They aren't seeking fame. They are secret, quiet geniuses.

Dream like a child!
____________________

I'm just a child trying to be a woman

Yes, I agree with EVERYTHING you posted! I do!!!!!!

To me, the famous ones -- the ones that "made" it-- they are the ones whose TALENT is ambition. That's it.

The real ones with the talent are usually of a shy, quiet nature and would rather the fame just come to them or just happen upon them. They don't go searching for it because they know they can live with or without the fame. They know their talent will be there whether they are on TV/Radio/Magazines or not These people, with the real talent, you will never ever or hardly hear about! It's the ones that can emulate TALENT that become the stars. You can only emulate talent for so long! Well emulate isn't a good word-- fake is a better word. Some stars fake talent until they can't fake it any longer and so their true colors start to show.

Just think, there is some real talented person out there just walking around happy because he/she thought of a story or a song or some composition-- and they want nothing more!

"love is dead
and now I'm an orphan
walking the streets
dreamy & loitering..."

here we are in the realm of our shit (okp) and we can't even get along. Do you not understand that the makeup of this society is to divide and conquer us? We can't even be at peace on our own boards without someone feeling it necessary to start some shit up in here. What are you on the board for? To verbally masterbate? See how many people you can piss off in 5 minutes or less? We got to come together... There is strength in our numbers, just because we have not each been through the same shit doesn't mean that we ain't been through some shit... Sister, let's take that aggression and put it toward some rights of passage programs so we can stop this bullshit in its tracks, and then there won't be no other side of the game for anybody, it will be how high we gonna get.

And believe me Erykah is not trying to glorify the game, she is bring some light to it. The next phase will be a revolution. So are you ready?

Be Strong. Stay Strong. Live Strong. Stay Strong.

http://www.asuecion.com

n/m

I dont hear anyone telling me, wtf the original point was of Ms. Wright's post. So we can throw a coined phrase, now a cliche, "fuck the police", around like it's some "take one and call me in the morning" phrase. N199@z that really believe that ish and talk that ish for years get SHOT by the fucking police or better yet one of us. My point is consistancy and conscientiousness (you know that badu ish she use to be on.). Yeah, fuck the police when it can make you a dolla dolla bill yall , or when its convenient or better yet puts you back in some sort of spotlight.

I doubt most folks was spitting that when Ice T was saying it way back when...let's not list the folks that said it when they had everything to loose and little to switch hit with or gain.

spare me.

A*



"What people think of me is none
of my business." ~O.Winfrey

and that's why it won't be deleted. That bullshit seconding and thirding not feeling what a poster said can be left for GD. In activist, that shit gets deleted on sight.

That's BEEN the rules.


"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope..." Poitier

"What people think of me is none
of my business." ~O.Winfrey

She wasn't dogging you...you totally took offense at her joking with you...she was trying to edify you, and you totally made an ass of yourself...

-Otto

now, i'm usually pretty quiet around here 'cuz i'm *supposed* to be getting work done & don't always have time to keep up with the convos. today, however, i feel the need to speak up a little..

lemme preface by saying, i feel like everyone has a valid p.o.v., but i think that folks aren't considering everything that has been said. (which is to be understood, 'cuz there's a lot of wordage goin' on...) so i just want to point out a couple things...

Airbreed, you said:
>so its easy for anyone to blow it off as 'humor'... when they
>themselves cant possible imagine what someone actually
>experiences w/ the police Vs. someone who manifests
>'perspectives' of these experiences.

*but* i don't think you & buttersoul thought about what eb said:
>I am a charecter , as i am in most of my songs.
>i am a writter who enjoys telling a story from all sorts of >perspectives....
>these are real sittuations from my perspective .
>its important to me to give it to ya'll like that.
>one thing i find uncomfortable is being misunderstood.
>but thats life. lol.

i take this as her artist's license to present what she sees in a way that works for her. granted, she may be "manifesting her perspective" on the situation, but isn't that part of what this artistry is all about? on a broad scale, how is eb's whole saga any different from "the message" by grandmaster flash & 'nem? i just see two artists using different methods of describing what they see going on around them? a person doesn't actually have to experience something to feel empathy for those who do.

ok, i'm getting off my soapbox now.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love." -I John 4:18 (NASB)

>now, i'm usually pretty quiet around here 'cuz i'm *supposed*
>to be getting work done & don't always have time to keep up
>with the convos. today, however, i feel the need to speak up
>a little..
>
>lemme preface by saying, i feel like everyone has a valid
>p.o.v., but i think that folks aren't considering everything
>that has been said. (which is to be understood, 'cuz there's
>a lot of wordage goin' on...) so i just want to point out a
>couple things...
>
>Airbreed, you said:
>>so its easy for anyone to blow it off as 'humor'... when
>they
>>themselves cant possible imagine what someone actually
>>experiences w/ the police Vs. someone who manifests
>>'perspectives' of these experiences.
>
>*but* i don't think you & buttersoul thought about what eb
>said:
>>I am a charecter , as i am in most of my songs.
>>i am a writter who enjoys telling a story from all sorts of
>>perspectives....
>>these are real sittuations from my perspective .
>>its important to me to give it to ya'll like that.
>>one thing i find uncomfortable is being misunderstood.
>>but thats life. lol.
>
>i take this as her artist's license to present what she sees
>in a way that works for her.

which is the main arguemnt here. she does what works for HER. but at WHO'S expense?

the expense of those who are directly impacted by these kinds of things?

the expense of those who have family/loved ones oppressed by the ameriKKKan judicial system?

the expense of making money off the boho crowd who talk revolution but dont' know the first thing about what the 'revolution is about?

artist: we here for the revolution!

crowd: yeah!

artist: a revolution for freedom!!

crowd: yeah!

what the fuck? ...does anyone know what that means??

she's made herself clear to me that shes an entertainer. and that's cool. her coin phrases such as "revolution" worked and were bought and sold by pseudo-pro black boho's who wear che guevarra t-shirts but don't know shit about the motorcycle diaries.

but aside from that....

okay.

...so since she has license to say things that 'emphathizes', people also have license to criticize her message and disminate that from the truths of REAL situations that people go through.

for some... its insulting to feel like your just a name or a face in someone's song when your experiences are exploited by those who've never had to deal with the pain of seeing your kin behind bars or, have your child beaten by indivuiduals who are supposed to 'protect' you. and neither you nor i can sit a judge whether if these people should feel the way they do if we've never gone though thier pain.

its also arrogant to assume that people who have REAL experiences with these atrocities... are simple enough to be written into a hook for the next big r&b song.

granted, she may be "manifesting
>her perspective" on the situation, but isn't that part of what
>this artistry is all about?

sure it is. but these artists also need to be prepared to be challenged by those who live 'that shit' everyday of their lives... and aren't penning imaginary stories from what they 'think' they hear and see around them.

this is what happens when these 'artists' try to play the game.


on a broad scale, how is eb's
>whole saga any different from "the message" by grandmaster
>flash & 'nem? i just see two artists using different methods
>of describing what they see going on around them? a person
>doesn't actually have to experience something to feel empathy
>for those who do.

maybe so. but like i said... people who talk 'that talk', need to be mindful of the consequences of thier rhetoric. and if they cant stand thier ground with some useful converstaion and build from that ...then what the fuck are they really saying?

and to turn it into some humorous shit makes thier whole game no different from the ignorant shit currently being pimped and explioted on minorities.

I cosign that.

when you put yourself and your ides out there the audience has the right to challenge those ideas.

"people who talk 'that talk', need to be mindful of the consequences of thier rhetoric. and if they cant stand thier ground with some useful converstaion and build from that ...then what the fuck are they really saying?"

Really who does it serve to have the ball and drop it when it's too heavy or there is some pressure. Responses talking bout whuppin asses and such are building anything. If you have a point to make then make it and allow there to be a dialogue to better understand all positions. But when you put your words out there take responsibility for them. I see little responsibility where you talk all the peace and love then flip it to fuck the police. Their is a greater responsibility to that which is the muse in these artistic semantics. Artist aren't excused cause they create art.