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Utamaroho
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"gimme the argument against soy"


  

          

i've been hearing some things from respected and trusted sources that say it's not the BEST option for us vegans.

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Bio-Gen
Feb 03rd 2005
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its very ying/estrogenic
Feb 03rd 2005
2
RE: its very ying/estrogenic
Feb 03rd 2005
8
      estrogen is a female hormone, dummy
Feb 07th 2005
23
           RE: estrogen is a female hormone, dummy
Mar 09th 2005
29
Supposedly it's got some serious engineering issues
Feb 03rd 2005
3
RE: Supposedly it's got some serious engineering issues
Mar 09th 2005
30
RE: gimme the argument against soy
Feb 03rd 2005
4
RE: Thyroid Probs
Feb 03rd 2005
5
comprehensive article on why soy is bad
Feb 03rd 2005
6
In a nutshell
Feb 03rd 2005
7
it tastes like ass
Feb 03rd 2005
9
so you ate ass before?
Feb 03rd 2005
12
... but this was funnier.
Feb 03rd 2005
14
the truth is finally revealed
Feb 03rd 2005
17
lol
Feb 04th 2005
18
this was funny
Feb 03rd 2005
13
You're late...
Feb 03rd 2005
10
Fat & chemicals in it act like a female hormones in men
Feb 03rd 2005
11
this just reinforces my theory on health food
Feb 03rd 2005
15
nice avatar!
Feb 07th 2005
25
it was never meant to be consumed by itself
Feb 03rd 2005
16
Ive never heard this...
Feb 04th 2005
20
high acid/impurities because of big bean
Feb 04th 2005
19
It gives me gas
Feb 05th 2005
21
brain degeneration
Feb 06th 2005
22
4-part argument here:
Feb 07th 2005
24
vegans are nazis
Feb 07th 2005
26
psst... that's not offensive
Feb 09th 2005
27
Dawg.
Mar 05th 2005
28

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1. "Bio-Gen"
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Being a vegan who tend to opt more for organic food...soy is probably the most biogenetically engineer food.

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malang
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Thu Feb-03-05 08:39 AM

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2. "its very ying/estrogenic"
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Thu Feb-03-05 08:41 AM

  

          

not good for males....

try wheat gluten or seiten instead...

and as mentioned above there are prob issues with GMod too....

  

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8. "RE: its very ying/estrogenic"
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why is it a problem for males?

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23. "estrogen is a female hormone, dummy"
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it makes us gain fat weight

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29. "RE: estrogen is a female hormone, dummy"
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you're the dummy. men have estrogen in their system as well, just like women have testosterone in their system. it's a balance thing, and can really cause problems for men when out of whack. soy contains phytoestrogen compounds. but that's just the tip of the iceberg. it also has a lot of compounds that block the absorption of minerals.

the best source for information about soy is westonaprice.org

Dr. Weston Price was a nutrition pioneer who studied the diets of healthy traditional/indigenous cultures around the globe to see what they had in common that gave them low incidence of tooth decay, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and all other modern diseases.

and i don't want to be a party pooper, but there has never been in the history of mankind a society that was vegan...

  

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3. "Supposedly it's got some serious engineering issues"
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and it's got sumin that messes with female hormones.

I'm telling you. If u want to eat healthy, u gonna have to grow your own shit, and hunt for the meat.

It aint natural having fields with nuffin but crops- it's just as bad for nature as logging.

It also aint natural to farm meat.

but ya'll don't hear me tho.




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30. "RE: Supposedly it's got some serious engineering issues"
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a lot of truth to what you say. you should check out a philosophy and practice called permaculture. it's kind of a happy medium, a "mixed farm" system where they mimic natural ecosystems with food producing plants, shrubs, trees, etc. with animals as well. They call them "food forests". I've seen a documentary where they took these practices to really devastated, impoverished areas in africa and india and turned them into thriving gardens of eden. Not just good for people, the techniques take into account rebuilding soil stability, recharging the water table, attracting wildlife, etc...

Another good source is an old Japanese man named Masanobu Fukuoka, who developed a zen buddhist inspired system of no till natural farming. He naturalizes vegetables to a semi-wild state. He's as much philosopher as he is farmer.

too much information, i know...

but how many people now about this shit?

  

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4. "RE: gimme the argument against soy"
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go for organic soy ____





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5. "RE: Thyroid Probs"
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Hey - I read up, as someone who is hypothyroid (slow metabolism among other probs) n soy is pretty bad for folks with thyroid problems. Some people say it can cause them if abused.

And I don't like the taste of tofu (hahahaha)....

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6. "comprehensive article on why soy is bad"
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http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/articles/magic_bean.html

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7. "In a nutshell"
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1. Prematurely ages brain cells
2. Decreases thyroid activity
3. Blocks mineral absorption such zinc, calcium,magnesium, etc, etc

If you consume soy it's best to eat fermented soy like miso.

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9. "it tastes like ass"
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12. "so you ate ass before?"
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you a dirty boy

  

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14. "... but this was funnier."
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17. "the truth is finally revealed"
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18. "lol"
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it's just an expression. ive been drinking soy years longer than those trendy vegans.

  

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13. "this was funny"
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10. "You're late..."
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Everyone is losing the glass of soy a night trend:


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11. "Fat & chemicals in it act like a female hormones in men"
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plastic do the same thing

so try not to eat of plastics if your a man

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15. "this just reinforces my theory on health food"
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EVERYTHING is bad for you one way or the other, so eat whatever the fuck you want (within reason and in moderation, of course)

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25. "nice avatar!"
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argh i can't wait til May

  

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16. "it was never meant to be consumed by itself"
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In Asia the general practice is to consume it with meat- Soy aids in the digestion of meat, and meat in turn cancels out the negative properties in Soy....

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20. "Ive never heard this..."
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gonna have to look into it further.

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19. "high acid/impurities because of big bean"
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mean low surface area to volume ratio............
and something about estrogen.............

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21. "It gives me gas"
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n/m

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22. "brain degeneration"
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a prominent study of japanese men who ate soy every day found brain degeneration.

as mentioned above, traditionally, soy had always been eaten fermented. miso, nama shoyu soy sauce, tempeh. now tempeh is some good shit!

man, im in thailand travelling right now so ive been eating soy almost everyday to keep my protein intake adequate. soon as i return home im dropping that shit on the fly. but asian countries really do know how to cook a good tofu dish.

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24. "4-part argument here:"
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1. soymilk is wierd unless its chocolate, which kind of hides the wierdness

2. tofu often ends up becomming airy-wierd insta-mush in your mouth, depending on who cooked it

3. "tofu chicken" is wrong for even TRYING to be like chicken and tasting instead like a sanitized ball of old de-elasticized rubber bands

4. tofu cubes taste like fuckin tofu cubes

  

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26. "vegans are nazis"
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and I wouldn't be casught dead in a vegan restaurant.
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27. "psst... that's not offensive"
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and, aren't you white? destruction for far worse crimes than nazisism is in your blood.

  

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28. "Dawg."
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you KNOW u want a kalebone sammich.

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