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"Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"


  

          

Why is this such a huge issue even amoungst blacks?
I know why it's a white man's issue, it removes their power to a degree and it calls out their years and years of lying... but we know what... what is it. Common sense will tell you that the first Jews were black... all the mannerisms of Christ indicate he was Black. It's plain as day.
Let's build... what is this paranoia over the black Christ.

  

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RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?
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           RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?
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                RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?
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                the bust of Abraham in Jerusalem depicts him as a black man
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                     is that bust of Abraham 5000 years old?
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                          check out Ashra Kwezi's African Origins of Zionism
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                LOL!
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                RE: LOL!
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                     But
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                          RE: But
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                hmmmmm ... so are you saying ...
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                     RE: hmmmmm ... so are you saying ...
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                Jesus, the Beautiful Black MAN.
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                     Wrong...
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                          RE: Wrong...
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                          RE: Wrong...
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                          RE: Wrong...
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                               RE: Wrong...
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                               RE: Wrong...
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                               RE: Wrong...
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                                    RE: Wrong...
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                                         Exactly.
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                                         well, to be fair...
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                                              RE: well, to be fair...
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                                                   RE: well, to be fair...
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                                                        RE: well, to be fair...
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                                                             there are *very* few Ethiopian Jews in this country
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                                                                  Um.. do you know any at all?
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                                                                  not personally, no
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                                                                  RE: not personally, no
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                                                                  RE: not personally, no
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                          I don't, explain.
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                               RE: I don't, explain.
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                          RE: Wrong...
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                               RE: Wrong...
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           Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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           RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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                RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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                     RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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                          RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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                               RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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                               RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it...
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           hahahahahahahahaahah
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           RE: hahahahahahahahaahah
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                RE: hahahahahahahahaahah
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                     RE: hahahahahahahahaahah
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           there were all kinds of jews
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                RE: there were all kinds of jews
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                     whatever.
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                          RE: whatever.
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                               RE: whatever.
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                                    meek?
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                                         RE: meek?
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                                              i don't pick this battle.
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                                                   RE: i don't pick this battle.
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                                                        we're basically saying the same thing
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                                                             No...
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           ........
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           RE: ........
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                Seriously
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                     ?
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                     RE: ?
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                     Because
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                          RE: Because
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                               Is this a trap?!
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                     RE: ?
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                          RE: ?
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                          Does this help?
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                          This ought to be interesting...
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                          RE: Does this help?
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                               RE: Does this help?
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                          he's right tho
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                               RE: he's right tho
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                                    to him, the bible IS facts.
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                                         RE: to him, the bible IS facts.
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                                         RE: to him, the bible IS facts.
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                                              faith & logic = apples & oranges
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                                                   RE: faith & logic = apples & oranges
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                                                        all right.
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                                                             Actually not true...
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                                                                  i don't know who you're reading
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                                                                       Dr. Naeem Akbar/ I mean your still quesitoning CLEO? Really?
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                                                                       yo...
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                                                                       I feel you..
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                                                                       oh. wrong author.
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                                                                       ...and by the way
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                          Fair point
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                               RE: Fair point
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                                    Thanks for the schooling
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                                         RE: Thanks for the schooling
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                                         could you not disrespect someone elses faith please?
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                                              RE: could you not disrespect someone elses faith please?
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                                                   thats offense but ok whatever
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                                                        Don't be so anal
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                                                        RE: thats offense but ok whatever
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                                                        How is that offensive?
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                                                             Exactly.
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                     RE: Seriously
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                          RE: Seriously
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                               RE: Seriously
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           Bethlehem is in Africa?
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                RE: Bethlehem is in Africa?
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                     Really? So Iraq is in Africa too?
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                          RE: Really? So Iraq is in Africa too?
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                          there might be some elements of truth behind the myth actually
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                               RE: there might be some elements of truth behind the myth actually
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                               no, but this does:
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                                    RE: no, but this does:
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                                    Brilliant post
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                                         RE: Brilliant post
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                                              Exactly!
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                                                   LOL
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                               i've read about this too
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                                    RE: i've read about this too
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                                         RE: i've read about this too
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                                              that's the whole story basically
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                          RE: Really? So Iraq is in Africa too?
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      LOL!!!
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                IS THAT IT???!!!
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                RE: IS THAT IT???!!!
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                     Boo
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                          RE: Boo
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                               Proof?
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                                    RE: Proof?
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                                    credit where it's due
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                So lets pile all of your bullshit into one post.
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                LMAO
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                you can't hear Jimi
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           Bono is humble?
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                RE: Bono is humble?
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                     RE: Bono is humble?
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                          your'e crazy
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                               RE: your'e crazy
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                                    RE: your'e crazy
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                                    RE: your'e crazy
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                                         I fully agree with you on that
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                                                   RE: I fully agree with you on that
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                                                        RE: I fully agree with you on that
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                                    nobody who wears colored sunglasses indoors is humble
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                                    RE: nobody who wears colored sunglasses indoors is humble
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                                    Bono wasn't GRACIOUS enough to GIVE HIS Grammy's to India Irie...
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      simply because you claim he is, that makes it a fact?
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Doesn't the story go....
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somebody needs to add to that *points up*
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co sign all of this
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      *Subtext*
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                LOL!
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                     who the hell are you? im already involved with someone....
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                          LMAO! It was a lighthearted joke...
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Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?
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RE: Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?
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LOL
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      RE: LOL
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He had bitches and hoes,
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RE: Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?
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      RE: Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?
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FISH ? FISH ? and no chicken ?
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HaHa very funny muhfucka (c)Run DMC
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oddspot.
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Was Jesus Black?
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RE: oddspot.
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      RE: oddspot.
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RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?
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Yep
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Judiasm is an ethnic group comprised of
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      RE: Judiasm is an ethnic group comprised of
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           Do you know what ethnic means?
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                RE: Do you know what ethnic means?
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I'm convinced.. He was Black.
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Aquaman... you listenin??
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RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?
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At first
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It would matter.....
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      RE: It would matter.....
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           The point.....
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I dont know i f he was or not
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RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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      RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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           RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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                RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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                     RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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                          RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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                               RE: I dont know i f he was or not
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                               o.k.
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                                    again with the Hiroshima stuff?
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                                    RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?
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                                    RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?
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                                         how is that so much worse than all the other shit that happened in WWII?
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                                         RE: how is that so much worse than all the other shit that happened in W...
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                                         RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?
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                                              RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?
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                                                   RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?
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                                                        Thinking?
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                                    The reason why jews ran finance in Europe is a matter of
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                                         RE: The reason why jews ran finance in Europe is a matter of
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                                              RE: The reason why jews ran finance in Europe is a matter of
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                                                   You have NEVER called me out... hahaha...
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                                                        RE: You have NEVER called me out... hahaha...
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                               Hold up
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                                    RE: Hold up
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                                    RE: Hold up
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                                    RE: Hold up
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                                         RE: Hold up
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                                              Seriously?
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                                                   RE: Seriously?
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                                                        RE: Seriously?
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                                                             RE: Seriously?
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                                                             Come along
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                                                             RE: Come along
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                                                             RE: Come along
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                                                             RE: Seriously?
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                                                                  RE: Seriously?
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                                                                  RE: Seriously?
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                                    RE: Hold up
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                                         RE: Hold up
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                                              RE: Hold up
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                                                   RE: Hold up
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                                                   RE: Hold up
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                                                   Yup
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                                                        No
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                                                             Paranoid much?
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                                                                  ...grow up.
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                                                                       Sympathy for the Old Boys Club
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                                                                       RE: Sympathy for the Old Boys Club
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                                                                       ????
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                                                                       You are wrong.
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                                                                       RE: You are wrong.
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                                                                       RE: You are wrong.
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                                                                       RE: You are wrong.
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                                                                       I would agree with that
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                                                                       RE: I would agree with that
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                                                                       If the Israelis wanted to they could...
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                                                                       RE: If the Israelis wanted to they could...
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                                                                       Meaning
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                                                                       RE: Meaning
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                                                                       RE: Meaning
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                                                                       RE: Meaning
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                                                                       Look on the back pages
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                                                                       RE: I would agree with that
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                                                                       Offensive much?
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                                                                       RE: Offensive much?
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                                                                       Undue?
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                                                                       RE: Undue?
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                                                                       Point out where I did that?
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                                                                       hate
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                                                                       Surely not
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                                                                       fuck it
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                                                                       Apologies
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                                                                       RE: Apologies
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                                    RE: Hold up
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                                         RE: Hold up
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                                              so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?
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                                                   RE: so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?
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                                                        RE: so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?
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                                                        RE: so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?
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                                                        Never said you did...however, I asked you a question
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                                                             RE: Never said you did...however, I asked you a question
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                                                                  Why did it take you so long to answer
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                                                                       RE: Why did it take you so long to answer
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                                                                            ha riiight
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                                                                            RE: ha riiight
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                                                                            RE: ha riiight
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                Proof?
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                     RE: Proof?
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                     proof?
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                     RE: Proof?
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                          RE: Proof?
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                     RE: Proof?
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                          RE: Proof?
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                          RE: Proof?
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                          RE: Proof?
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                               RE: Proof?
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                                    RE: Proof?
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                                         RE: Proof?
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                                              RE: Proof?
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                                                   RE: Proof?
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                                                        RE: Proof?
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                                                        RE: Proof?
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                                                        RE: Proof?
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                                                             Yeah I read the ONE website... here's why your a dumbass...
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                                                                  RE: Yeah I read the ONE website... here's why your a dumbass...
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                          please stop talking about Ethiopia
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                               RE: please stop talking about Ethiopia
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                                    yeah that would be mad funny
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      he was wrong with saying white "jews"
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Besides
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RE: Besides
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      RE: Besides
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           You can't be this out of the loop... but since I know you are...
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                White people called it Asia minor before they called it the middle east
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Did they have different mothers?
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Well if he wasn't african...
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Worshiping blackness not in this white mans world
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'Cause they smoke rocks.
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RE: 'Cause they smoke rocks.
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           RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?
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                Pictures and Politics
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                     Mythologies
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Here's why it matters...
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this post makes me sad
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RE: this post makes me sad
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RE: this post makes me sad
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RE: this post makes me sad
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      RE: this post makes me sad
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      RE: this post makes me sad
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      RE: this post makes me sad
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           bullshit.
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                RE: bullshit.
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I don't think she is Christian.
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RE: this post makes me sad
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      RE: this post makes me sad
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      RE: this post makes me sad
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      wow...that was stupid
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           RE: wow...that was stupid
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      RE: this post makes me sad
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There are positive post here...
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Proof Jesus is Black...
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RE: Proof Jesus is Black...
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Peace God...
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      RE: Peace God...
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So I am Blak and Jewish?
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RE: So I am Blak and Jewish?
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I'm proud of my heritage man
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      RE: I'm proud of my heritage man
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           And your point?
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                Religion?
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                     THEM AND THEIR RELIGION
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                          RE: THEM AND THEIR RELIGION
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                               You misunderstood me
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                                    RE: You misunderstood me
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                                         Finally some reasoning.
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                                              RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                              RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                   RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                        RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                             RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                             RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                             RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                                  RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                                  So all Jews sell diamonds?
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                                                                       Did I say that stupid?
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                                                                       You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you
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                                                                       RE: You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you
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                                                                       RE: You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you
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                                                                       RE: You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you
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                                                                       What a cunt
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                                                             RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                                  RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                                       RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                                            RE: Finally some reasoning.
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                                                                            You are off the wall...
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                                                                            RE: You are off the wall...
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                                                             Dollar Bill!
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RE: So I am Blak and Jewish?
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you're a Jewlatto
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           see post #263
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           You didnt learn what endogamous meant did you?
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That's not Jesus - that's Ned the wino!
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      If it doesn't matter...
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           Damn...this is still going on?
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because those swap meet paintings look silly
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Moses' wife was Ethipoian
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cause he wasnt
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why cant people accept that Jesus was just a man?
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israel.
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                     genetic studies show European Jews have Middle Eastern/Semitic lineage
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                          See that aqua? Thats called evidence.....
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                          Help me out maybe i'm missing something
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                               RE: Help me out maybe i'm missing something
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                               yeah, that "Jewish science" is bullshit
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                               that was the first major dispersion of Jews outside of Israel/Judea
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                                         cuz there are still original populations in the region who never left
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                                              This is still not concrete proof.....
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                                                   it's more solid than any alternate theories provide
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                                                                                 Yes they are not the original people from that area...
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                                                                                 How did you feel....
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                                                                                 At this point I am will to agree to disagree..
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                                                                                 me too
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                RE: israel.
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                     hell...
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                               RE: hell...
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                                    RE: hell...
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                                         AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!!!
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                                         pretty much....
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                                                   there was a lot of contact
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      If you ever saw God..
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           But if memory serves me correctly
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                Yes it is Scooby Doo Shit...
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      They were complete savages...
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he called everybody 'brother',liked Gospel,and couldn't get a fair trial
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Good job everyone
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My Balls are from Jamaica
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      All Roads Lead To Afrika
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      White's follow religon - original blacks lived life!
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The Ancestor Speaks
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YES!!!!
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.
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      EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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to response 505...
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Concrete? So let me get this right?
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      RE: Concrete? So let me get this right?
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           Oh it matters.. WHY CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THE LIE?
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           If indeed.....
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508 posts.... tss...
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Coming from a bullshit poster like you...
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      still a bullshit post.
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I got your proof right here
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Yes, check
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why does this matter?
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This is a very naive response...
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      RE: This is a very naive response...
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over 500 posts!!!!
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over 600 posts!!!!
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Proof that Jesus was black
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proofs:
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So i'm in Ghana right now...
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Shakeet Lokh Em
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1. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Because he wasn't. lol

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2. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Nah, he was. That isn't the argument at all.

  

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Shakeet Lokh Em
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3. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Then what is your proof? How could you possibly prove that Jesus Christ the Messiah of mankind was BLACK?

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brainsoup_
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6. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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lololol.its conversations like this that make okayactivist one of my favorite places on the whole worldwideweb.

  

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AquamansWrath
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8. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Easily, he was born in Africa to Jewish parents. The first jews were Ethiopian. Now follow that bloodline all the way to Halei Salassie... who claimed to be decendent of King Soloman... all African. All the time.

Now, your proof he was white.

  

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TarnishedSpoon
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11. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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The first jews were Ethiopian.

Thats funny... because I'm Jewish by heritage... and I am so white I glow in the fucking dark. I'm so white I thought 'Lucas with the lid of" was the jam of the century (still do personally).

And wait... whats that... oh yeah... you're 'proof' stories and bullshit. Not keeping with any historical record or even spoken history other than that which was fabricated by that mass murderer Haillie Sallasie

S.ean | President of the 'Ban Chris Defendorf' club. We have meetings.

  

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AquamansWrath
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14. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Tue Apr-12-05 03:03 PM by AquamansWrath

  

          

Your Jewish... a kind of Jew.
Yeah... Hebrew... Ethiopian. Perhaps you should study your history.
Soloman. Ethiopia. David. Ring a bell?
Sounds like you love throwing it around and don't know much about it.
Last time I checked Eminem was a dope MC, but blacks started hiphop.

  

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TarnishedSpoon
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20. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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>Your Jewish... a kind of Jew.
>Yeah... Hebrew... Ethiopian. Perhaps you should your
>history.
>Soloman. Ethiopia. David. Ring a bell?
>Sounds like you love throwing it around and don't know much
>about it.
>Last time I checked Eminem was a dope MC, but blacks started
>hiphop.

You still can't prove shit!

You haven't for this entire thread... you couldn't provide proof if it bit you on the ass and said "Whats up asshole... I'm proof."

Rather you just regurgitate the ramblings and hyperbole that have been refuted and proven to be nothing more than the self aggrandizing bullshit of misspent racial inequality.

Just a little 'Its okay'

If Jesus was black that wouldn't give you or any other black wo/man more personal value.

If Jesus wasn't black that wouldn't give you or any other black wo/man less personal value.

You simply regurgitate historically unfounded bullshit to try and make yourself feel like you are worth more...

And thats on top of your pity-me all white guys are evil bullshit you spewed later.

Simply enough the historical record calls your bullshit. The Romans (who I am sure, since you are the epitome of one enlightened motherfucker) occupied the area we call Palestine/Israel during the time of Jesus' life. And they describe the people of the area the same way we would describe the Arabs of the area today.

But... lemme guess... that was just the Romans trying to get a leg up on oppressing you and changing the historical record 2000 years ago so black people today wouldn't have a religious icon of their own skin tone.

S.ean | St. Augustus, probably black. Jesus, probably arab.

  

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AquamansWrath
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23. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Nope... it's common sense.
I have given you the African bloodline.
Now your turn.
And don't tell me what it will mean for my people...
thanks tho'. Now, your proof.
cause according to your words...
Jews are the ONLY race (and they are not a race people, just a religion) that have been clean of mixing with any other race... how is that?
Hmmm?
Which is awfully racist to think they are 'pure'. Hmmm? How is this?
Abraham - Ibraheem
Moses - Musa
Soloman - Sulamaynn

Sound white to you?
Nah. Jig is up my man... game is over.

  

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81. "the bust of Abraham in Jerusalem depicts him as a black man"
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even prominent orthodox scholars acknowledge Abraham himself was African.

you're probably a descendent of the khazarites.

«SiG»
“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
-Qur’an 4:135

  

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202. "is that bust of Abraham 5000 years old?"
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>even prominent orthodox scholars acknowledge Abraham himself
>was African.

1. which prominent orthodox scholars?
2. how would they know?

>you're probably a descendent of the khazarites.

guess you didn't read up on those genetic studies I posted before.

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554. "check out Ashra Kwezi's African Origins of Zionism"
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he lays it out in his video

«SiG»
“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
-Qur’an 4:135

  

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16. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Jewish by heritage... hahaha...
so how do you get a race of people out of Judaism. You know, where the word comes from. Please explain and while your at it, trace your bloodline. Last time I checked ANYONE could convert to Judaism.
So how does that make you jewish by heritage. Hmm?

  

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TarnishedSpoon
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22. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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>Jewish by heritage... hahaha...
>so how do you get a race of people out of Judaism. You know,
>where the word comes from. Please explain and while your at
>it, trace your bloodline. Last time I checked ANYONE could
>convert to Judaism.
>So how does that make you jewish by heritage. Hmm?

Easily enough, to be Jewish by heritage means that one is descendant from the Jews of Europe, but because of his upbringing doesn't practice judaism as a religion.

is it that hard to understand?

And my bloodline goes back to the Kantors of Warsaw.

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AquamansWrath
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24. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Um, Judaism didn't start in Europe.
Wrong answer, try again.
Also, you sound like your either of Armenian, Polish, or Turkish decent...
sorry to break the news to you... but they are converts.
Jew-ish.. kind of Jew. Hence the ish.
So if your Christianish... your a kind of Christian
Eddie Murphyish... it's kinda Ed Murphy.

  

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25. "LOL!"
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>Jew-ish.. kind of Jew. Hence the ish.

Tenuous-ish

  

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27. "RE: LOL!"
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None of ya'll have proven me otherwise outside of your typical 'whoah is me, I'm god's children' rhetoric. not a damn thing to back up anything you have said.
I expect that tho'.

  

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31. "But"
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I haven't tried to..

  

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32. "RE: But"
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Perhaps you should...
it's really easy to criticize... especially when you haven't done much to prove your point. At all.
I have made several points.
your turn.

  

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264. "hmmmmm ... so are you saying ..."
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>Also, you sound like your either of Armenian, Polish, or
>Turkish decent...
>sorry to break the news to you... but they are converts.


are you saying that ALL European jews were converts? That diaspora doesn't exist through physical migration but a line of conversions spanning continents?

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
who are you









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AquamansWrath
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276. "RE: hmmmmm ... so are you saying ..."
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No... my point is migration of coverts... they could even be generational converts... but they are NOT the original jews...
they were African. Point of the post.
Obviously they migrated... if they are from Europe and ended up elsewhere.

  

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188. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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>Jewish by heritage... hahaha...
>so how do you get a race of people out of Judaism.

Look up Endogamy....

Please explain and while your at
>it, trace your bloodline.

I did. It goes A long long way back. Bear in mind that many Jews didnt have surnames until about 300 years ago....

Last time I checked ANYONE could
>convert to Judaism.

You didnt check very hard. Its difficult to convert to Judaism and orthodox jews are unlikely to accept you...

>So how does that make you jewish by heritage. Hmm?

Look up endogamy.

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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AquamansWrath
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195. "Jesus, the Beautiful Black MAN."
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Again since you don't get it...
anyone can convert to Judaism... to say you are born jewish... is like saying you were born Muslim or Christian... it's not a birthright or a race... it's a religion... that's why you have a book to go with it... it's bullshit sun. Your suggesting that Jews are pure... and you sound like Hitler with that bullshit. Please. The first jews were black... just open up the Torah... the Bible and the Koran... check the location... weigh that against the time period and know whites had yet to enter Africa at that point... there greatest mix or understanding of Africa came from the Moor's and the Egyptians... who were Black people. I know it hurts... but please...
get over it. LOL!

  

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220. "Wrong..."
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>Again since you don't get it...
>anyone can convert to Judaism...

Nope, that isnt true. You cant convert to be an orthodox jew. They probably wont accept you.

to say you are born jewish...
>is like saying you were born Muslim or Christian...

No, because Judaism is not a proselytising religion, they arent seeking to convert people and they arent looking for converts...

it's not a
>birthright or a race... it's a religion... that's why you have
>a book to go with it... it's bullshit sun. Your suggesting
>that Jews are pure... and you sound like Hitler with that
>bullshit.

Hold on, making a lot of assumptions here. It is a birthright - if your mother is Jewish then you are Jewish. It is also an ethnicity (race is a bullshit term), which is relativelyt endogamous (a term I am sure you didnt look up). Now I didnt say they were pure, all I have said over and over again on this site, is that Jews historically prefer to marry/have sex with other Jews. This means that genetically, Jews are more similar to each other than to surrounding peoples, even if some mixing has gone on. And watch who you are saying sounds like Hitler, if you are trying to 'build' and not offend that is...


Please. The first jews were black... just open up
>the Torah... the Bible and the Koran... check the location...
>weigh that against the time period and know whites had yet to
>enter Africa at that point... there greatest mix or
>understanding of Africa came from the Moor's and the
>Egyptians... who were Black people. I know it hurts... but
>please...

Where is the proof? The location was the middle east, somewhere where there arent that many black people. The time was 5000 years ago onwards. Christianity was two thousand and Islam was 632 CE. White people had been trading with North Africa since pre-history pretty much. Moors and Nubians were black, but most Egyptians werent black to my knowledge.

>get over it. LOL!

LOL indeed. I want some PROOF, that comes from a SOURCE, not from your spurious "reasoning".

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The Hammer Man
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224. "RE: Wrong..."
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..yeah but the thing you have to understand if you don't already, is why Jews create resentment in Europe and/or the states. wait a minute that probably sounds a bit off, since i'm not Jewish, maybe you should explain it to me.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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229. "RE: Wrong..."
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>..yeah but the thing you have to understand if you don't
>already, is why Jews create resentment in Europe and/or the
>states. wait a minute that probably sounds a bit off, since
>i'm not Jewish, maybe you should explain it to me.

What does that have to do with whether or not Jesus was black or Jews were black?

Sean

  

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230. "RE: Wrong..."
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...what? i guess it's a jewish question. i mean i know the Jewish authorities ain't too keen on Black Jews anyway so maybe it's just a point.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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233. "RE: Wrong..."
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But you see the Jews were black...
so the logic of the question doesn't even work. At all.

  

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238. "RE: Wrong..."
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>But you see the Jews were black...
>so the logic of the question doesn't even work. At all.

Which you haven't proven by the way. So good try, bad execution.

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239. "RE: Wrong..."
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>...what? i guess it's a jewish question. i mean i know the
>Jewish authorities ain't too keen on Black Jews anyway so
>maybe it's just a point.

Last time I checked Jews have flown thousands of starving Ethiopian Jews to Israel, given them citizenship and jobs.

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454. "RE: Wrong..."
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the ethiopian jews are also treated like second class citizens, relagated to a small community around tel aviv, and still not given full citizenship. the jobs they get are crap. don't make it seem like the great loving Iraeli government is doing them a huge favor, the government never has wanted to bring over Ethiopian Jews to Israel.


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457. "Exactly."
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Jews are some of the most racist people i have ever encountered... on the real... no to generalize, but their elitism is unreal... it's often younger jews that are on some normal action... or jews in entertainment... but even that is to a point... the very fact any man would look me in the eyes and tell me God has chosen him over me is crazy... why isn't this viewed as basic fanaticism? Cause this gives them the right to do anything... it really makes you wonder.

  

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464. "well, to be fair..."
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yeah the Ethiopian Jews are largely treated pretty shabbily in Israel, and there was a lot of reluctance in the Israeli government to bring them over... but at the end of the day they did it, which is more than you can say for most other countries. Including Ethiopia, which treated them worse than Israel does.

And they are given full citizenship - you're probably thinking of the Black Hebrew Israelites who moved from the US to Israel in the 70's or something, they were given residence but not citizenship, although I think recently some of them were granted citizenship.

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465. "RE: well, to be fair..."
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I'm interested in knowing...
so your familiar with the way Ethiopia treated the original Black Jews... but your not familiar with how Israel did it? Why am I not buying this?
I know plenty of Ethiopian Jews and that's not what I have heard... the legacy is strong there. It's mainly Catholic Whites who have pushed for them to not be heard... sound familiar?

  

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469. "RE: well, to be fair..."
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>I'm interested in knowing...
>so your familiar with the way Ethiopia treated the original
>Black Jews... but your not familiar with how Israel did it?
>Why am I not buying this?

What part of "the Ethiopian Jews are largely treated pretty shabbily in Israel" did you not understand?

>I know plenty of Ethiopian Jews and that's not what I have
>heard...

It's funny how you always seem to know plenty of every random-ass group anyone is talking about. I could probably say "outer Mongolian nomad yak-herders are increasingly migrating towards Ulaan-Baatar for better economic opportunities", and you'd be like "I know plenty of outer Mongolian nomad yak-herders, and that's not what I have heard..."

the legacy is strong there. It's mainly Catholic
>Whites who have pushed for them to not be heard... sound
>familiar?

Yeah, because it's mainly white Catholics who control internal policy in Israel - LOL.

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473. "RE: well, to be fair..."
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random ass? Ethiopian Jews is pretty specific my man.
Um... so if I know European Jews... I shouldn't by chance know any African Jews? hahaha... wow. Peace bruh.

  

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495. "there are *very* few Ethiopian Jews in this country"
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so I'm wondering how you just happen to know so many of them.

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500. "Um.. do you know any at all?"
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Or their history? I think that's the real question here...
not who I am or where I be...

  

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503. "not personally, no"
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and I'm Ethiopian... which is why I find it strange that you seem to know so many.

>Or their history? I think that's the real question here...
>not who I am or where I be...

Yes I know their history. Do you? Because THEY don't even make the claims about their own history that you do.

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514. "RE: not personally, no"
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Please... that is total bullshit. Hahaha...
got talk to any Rastafarian for the updates...
Being Ethiopian really don't mean shit... there are plenty of blacks who have detached themselves from their own neighborhoods...
their are plenty of blacks who support Bush...
would i call them blacks or ask them to rep the voice of the black people? Nope.
You wonder how I know so many of them? You sound white to me with that statement alone. I mean, what is there suppossed to be a Ethiopian outlet? I know them cause I know them... from my travels... from my whereabouts... there was no 'you too can know Africans' formula. Besides I leave for Africa tomorrow potnah... I'll fill you in when I get back.

  

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551. "RE: not personally, no"
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>Please... that is total bullshit. Hahaha...
>got talk to any Rastafarian for the updates...

LOL - just cuz Rastas talk about the Star of David and Lion of Judah doesn't mean they know anything about this.

>Being Ethiopian really don't mean shit... there are plenty of blacks
>who have detached themselves from their own neighborhoods...

Being Ethiopian means something about knowing other Ethiopians, including knowing when people like you are bullshitting about it.

>their are plenty of blacks who support Bush...
>would i call them blacks or ask them to rep the voice of the black people? Nope.

And there are plenty of crazy people who think shape-shifting alien lizards secretly run the world. Would I ask them for a rational answer to ANYTHING? Nope.

>You wonder how I know so many of them? You sound white to me with that statement alone.

No, I sound like someone who actually knows enough about them to call you out on your bullshit. Sounding white would be gushing over with Bono-worship like you.

>I mean, what is there suppossed to be a Ethiopian outlet? I know them cause I know them...
>from my travels... from my whereabouts...

nice bullshit answer.

>there was no 'you too can know Africans' formula. Besides I leave for Africa tomorrow potnah...
>I'll fill you in when I get back.

With more of your ignorant bullshit? No thanks.

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235. "I don't, explain."
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...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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240. "RE: I don't, explain."
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..well i guess i'm just ignorant and pissed at being called anti-semitic.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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521. "RE: Wrong..."
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"but most Egyptians werent black to my knowledge."

what the mutha!!!!!! All Egyptians are black. All Egyptians are African! Do u mean all Egyptians aren't darkskin? In that case...

  

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that's what I'm sayin... these cats must be using Disney logic to come to their conclusions... how on earth could they not know Egyptians are black AFricans? It's common sense...its' Northern Africa?!?!?!

  

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149. "Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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Haile Selassie was indeed a mass murderer, yet so many people look up to him as the greatest African ruler.

  

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153. "RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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Halie Salassie was many things...
but didn't your very bible say that he would be a warrior?
I'm not saying he is exempt of anything...
many of the same people listed in history were mass murderers...
I mean I have heard many stories about the hunger and poverty that existed under his rule...
I'm not a fan of speaking to the UN and rubbing elbows with them either...
however you cannot discredit the man's influence.

  

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161. "RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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>Halie Salassie was many things...
>but didn't your very bible say that he would be a warrior?
>I'm not saying he is exempt of anything...
>many of the same people listed in history were mass
>murderers...
>I mean I have heard many stories about the hunger and poverty
>that existed under his rule...
>I'm not a fan of speaking to the UN and rubbing elbows with
>them either...
>however you cannot discredit the man's influence.


Warriors are just. Warriors don't massacre people because they refuse to accept them as divine. Warriors don't massacre people because those people won't speak their language.

You're an apologist. Like a Nazi apologist, a colonial apologist, an apologist for slave holders.

'Well... he made the trains run on time...'

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169. "RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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please, what you said was straight bullshit.. the code of warriors are different depending on the culture... that's A)
B) everything you said afterthat.. is some dumb ass rant...
I'm an apologist? hahaha... anyone who knows anything about me knows that I don't apologize or make up excuses for anyone...
including you.

  

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176. "RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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>the code of
>warriors are different depending on the culture...

Oh that must be it. Some people accept warriors killing women and children... like you. Some people think people who kill women and children are are vile disgusting human beings, no matter what their skin color is.

So, in recap, you accept murders because of their skin color, I don't. You accept people who try to destroy races and cultures because of their skin color. I don't. You accept brutal fucking dictators whose ignorance has given the people of their land years of famine and war, because of their skin color.

Dumbest. motherfucker. on. the. boards.

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184. "RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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Are you talking about Ariel Sharon & G.W. Bush...It sure sounds like it. LOL


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200. "RE: Alas!!! Someone finally said it..."
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No... not at all... you don't have to put words in my mouth... I can perfectly explain my position... I don't justify mass murder from anyone... although the thought of you being caught up in that is bringing a slight smirk around...
Okay brightspot... site your Hallie Salassie example of him being a mass murderer complete with times and dates...
cause if your talking Mass MURDER then your obviously talking
ARIEL SHARON
GEORGE BUSH...
I would LOVE for you to try and lump the lion of Judah in with them.
Go ahead... make a fool out of yourself.

  

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245. "hahahahahahahahaahah"
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Thats funny... because I'm Jewish by heritage... and I am so
>white I glow in the fucking dark.


classic


>The first jews were Ethiopian.
>
>Thats funny... because I'm Jewish by heritage... and I am so
>white I glow in the fucking dark. I'm so white I thought
>'Lucas with the lid of" was the jam of the century (still do
>personally).
>
>And wait... whats that... oh yeah... you're 'proof' stories
>and bullshit. Not keeping with any historical record or even
>spoken history other than that which was fabricated by that
>mass murderer Haillie Sallasie
>
>S.ean | President of the 'Ban Chris Defendorf' club. We have
>meetings.

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254. "RE: hahahahahahahahaahah"
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You and what you believe to be "Your" heritage... don't matter.
The first Africans were black... that's right... all the cats you worship are black... now how does that make you feel? I know you worsthip black men in hiphop, sports, and entertainment in general... but how does it feel to know that the person you have been praying to... is black? Will that change things? Does that make you feel, jipped? Are blacks not privy to your children of god racket?

  

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256. "RE: hahahahahahahahaahah"
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..question is would you really want it if the boys are that uptight?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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hahaha... true and good point...
but I just think that brothers would handle it better that's all...
hell we already know it and never say it... namean?

  

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358. "there were all kinds of jews"
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and still are...

due to migrations and intermingling, a whole lot of jews wound up white and "brown". consider the history of arab groups & the hyksos in egypt, for example.

either way, there were definitely african jews and they were mainly a "colored" people up to a certain point in history. that's been well-documented to my knowledge.

even israel wound up having to accept a group of african hebrews (and, no, i'm not talking about the hebrew israelites) as "true" jews. i don't know jewish history as such. this is just what i've picked up from reading about black african history. i can come back & site some works if you're interested.

also consider all the images of the black madonna prominent in early christianity & the africanization of all 3 major western religions (coptic christianity, mingling of africans/arabs, etc).

either way, even if jesus wasn't "black", it's more likely than the probability of him being lily-white.

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360. "RE: there were all kinds of jews"
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Your always a slight dissapointment cause you always give white people more power than they ever deserve. For example... you act as if Israel (being the murderers that they are) have any power in acknowledging anyone... which simply isn't the case. They are false jews... in testament... so who cares who they acknowledge? Let the murder of Palestinian women and children alone show you that.
Second, there was not always different kinds of Jews... that's a lie and an assumption that's not accurate. The first set of Jews were black... Ethiopians... that is well documented. Many, many years later... whites began to convert... what you are doing is trying to bring smoke and mirrors into the picture by not being clear, there were always white, brown... no... there was a starting point... and it began in Ethiopia. This is noted in so many ways it's amazing anyone is even questioning it...
They were the real jews. These Europeans claiming to be Jews and even claiming black people's history in the Torah and the Old Testament... aint nothing more than lovers of the game. Like Blues... Jazz... Hiphop... and all powerful things that come from black minds, hands, and hearts namean?
Peace.

  

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361. "whatever."
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first of all, don't assume u know my feelings on any of the above, especially concerning yt folks' power. i have no love for the state of israel, either. i only said that to make a point.

secondly, i could give a damn about ANY of this. i was just trying to bring a little perspective from what little i know thru my studies/reading.

everything in balance. yes, blk people are/were greater than many know. but i've taken issue with some of your claims for the same reasons others have.

so...


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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
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362. "RE: whatever."
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like?
this isn't a personal attack on you... but on the real it doesn't matter what they question... the real is the real... you and I both know white folks want to be everything from Superman, to the One in the Matrix, to Jesus, to the greatest quarterback that ever lived... whether done correctly or not. This aint no different, but it doesn't matter cause you can't argue facts. The first jews were from Ethiopia... there were no white cats running around Ethiopia... namean? Even the Pontius Pilot courtroom scene is straight out of the white man's handbook thinking everybody looks alike. It's MAD obvious...

  

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363. "RE: whatever."
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also... I always appreciate your input... but what is this meek shit?

  

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365. "meek?"
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no, not really. i'm just wary of how i choose/frame my words.

prefer to catch my flies with honey.

peace.


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yours. who holds the subtle knife that
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373. "RE: meek?"
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play that honey shit and more people get confused...
your not dealing with bees... your dealing with savages who have controlled the world with lies and manipulation... it's time to stop being sweet about this shit.
Be real, direct... and to the point. Call them out at ever opportunity... if you don't... it will only get worse. If we don't straighten this shit out... what do we expect our babies to do?

  

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383. "i don't pick this battle."
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when people try to appropriate (objective) history, i get to calling folks out.

when they try to tell me my ppl were nothing before europe entered the scene, i will challenge that.

likewise, i will challenge anyone who tries to say that african culture was/is somehow inferior by nature. or who claims that one diasporan is better than another. in my book, if you're black, you're african (c) peter tosh.

however, using faith as a battleground divides more than it unifies. within "our" community and outside of it. just look at what the right wing is doing to this country as we speak.

hell, if you *really* want to get technical, whether or not jesus was black has zilch to do with the deeper consequences of adhering to this philsophy/faith as a people. i'd rather build on that than what the man looked like.

imo, we can work this kind of thing out once we get our collective shit together. before then, jesus' blackness is a moot point.

just my two cents.


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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
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386. "RE: i don't pick this battle."
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Actually i disagree fully... cause the fact that he was African... well that means his philosophies were also... in fact, if you study much of the propehts... and thier learning centers.. it was purely AFrican... Europeans who have white washed the history love to downplay this culture and make it universal... but it wasn't... there are accounts in the Bible where christ refused to heal certain people and even attacked others... you see? My point? This concept that his comments were above and beyond humans is bs... it's been conditioned in us to believe that this is the case so that once the truth is revealed there is no impact. How tired is it when people say... 'oh... it doesn't matter' clearly it does matter. Whites will say that as a quick out... blacks will say that cause they often soften the blow for their white colleagues and friends... it shouldn't take a deliberate red flag with racism written on it for us to notice our history being dumbed down. It's like I always say... people expect racism to come in the form of a Klansman with a firey cross... but what bout the priest with a regular one?

  

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390. "we're basically saying the same thing"
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>It's like I always say... people expect racism to come
>in the form of a Klansman with a firey cross... but what bout
>the priest with a regular one?

in so many words, anyway...

but that's what i mean. the hijacking of religion/spirituality as a whole is the REAL issue, imo, whether jesus was african, arab, or norwegian.

i also understand your point about history. but again: arguing the color of a person who may or may not have even lived is far less important to me than making sure people know black people really did build the pyramids and understood representative democracy.

agree to disagree.

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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
carves through worlds like magic
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397. "No..."
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I agree... and why I think your argument about the pyramids is solid is cause it still stands... the Bible... I feel your point... if he did exist.. .he was black... I think any black man or woman who reads the Bible fully... understands the components that make it work... can read and know he was black... it's like reading any post or comment from a black person and saying 'you know what? that cat is a brotha!'... it's just obvious.. namean? Whites love to romanticize and they want you to believe without question that he is there link... or he is one of them... it's the continued dominant logic that had the slaves picking cotton even faster. on the real.. somebody bring a white jesus in my crib... and there will be a real fucking problem. Here's my issue with the pyramids that ties into this... we have allowed whites to demonize their power, through film, through the media... the flip of what they did to Christ... feel me?
That's why they are stuck on stupid... films like the Mummy and dumb ass Disney films depicting them as worshipping devils... cause they would much rather be privy to that ancient knowledge and exploit it for their own purposes and meanwhile have people of color saying dumb ass christian shit like "oh I don't deal with witchcraft!" or.. "Astrology is from the Devil". Only if it's the Roman Calender.

  

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19. "........"
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First things first. Do you accept the bible as Gods word? If you don't, then we have nothing to talk about.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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21. "RE: ........"
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Is this your logic? Please tell me your playing?
I see now that your backed into a corner... you wanna play God?
God didn't write the Bible... and PLEASe don't tell me he did.
Old Testament is in Hebrew taken from the Torah... so if you follow that you must follow Judaism which is where JEWS come from.

New Testament is in Greek. So now God prefers a certain language?
Please tell me this isn't your logic.

  

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26. "Seriously"
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God did not physically write the bible. He dictated to his servants what he wanted to be put down. From Moses writing Genesis all the way to the apostle John writing Revelation.

The bible is not from the Torah. It is a stand-alone testament of Hebrew and Greek scriptures. If you want to get seriously in depth, tommorw I can bring references of books you can read and verify yourself. Real books at your local library or Barnes & Nobles, no made up sites on-line.

And I'm also a black man my brother, all the way live from Baltimore City homey. But that doesn't mean I feed into Islam or any of that 1 percent stuff. I found the truth for myself by looking it up on my own. Not because someone told me a convincing story.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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28. "?"
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>I found the truth for myself
>by looking it up on my own. Not because someone told me a
>convincing story.

Isn't the bible a book of convincing stories?

  

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is the Torah or the Bible a book of convincing stories?
Please fill me in.

  

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34. "Because"
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they contain fictional narratives, written by man to propound a moral order, to make sense of the Universe etc.

  

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So your saying the Bible is fictional stories? Not agreeing or disagreeing, just trying to clarify.

  

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39. "Is this a trap?!"
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Yes I am

  

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35. "RE: ?"
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I have a deep faith in God and that the Bible is his word. It's not just a book of moral paramaters, but more importantly a book of prophecy. If you don't believe that the Bible is God's word, then nothing I say will apply to you.

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Hey God's child... how about answering my question about the author's of the Bible. If you believe in the word... then tell me who wrote the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Thanks.

  

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50. "Does this help?"
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HEBREW SCRIPTURES

GENESIS - Moses
EXODOUS - Moses
LEVITICUS - Moses
NUMBERS - Moses
DEUTERONOMY - Moses
JOSHUA - Joshua
JUDGES - Samuel
RUTH - Samuel
1 SAMUEL - Samuel, Gad, Nathan
2 SAMUEL - Gad, Nathan
1 KINGS - Jeremiah
2 KINGS - Jeremiah
1 CHRONICLES - Ezra
2 CHRONICLES - Ezra
EZRA - Ezra
NEHEMIAH - Nehemiah
ESTHER - Mordecai
JOB - Moses
PSALMS - David and others (too many to type)
PROVERBS - Solomon, Agur, Lemuel
ECCLESIASTES - Solomon
SONG OF SOLOMON - Solomon
ISAIAH - Isaiah
JEREMIAH - Jeremiah
LAMENTATIONS - Jeremiah
EZEKIEL - Ezekiel
DANIEL - Daniel
HOSEA - Hosea
JOEL - Joel
AMOS - Amos
OBADIAH - Obadiah
JONAH - Jonah
MICAH - Micah
NAHUM - Nahum
HABAKKUK - Habakkuk
ZEPHANIAH - Zephaniah
HAGGAI - Haggai
ZECHARIAH - Zechariah
MALACHI - Malachi



GREEK SCRIPTURES

MATTHEW - Matthew
MARK - Mark
LUKE - Luke
JOHN - Apostle John
ACTS - Luke
ROMANS - Paul
1 CORINTHIANS - Paul
2 CORINTHIANS - Paul
GALATIANS - Paul
EPHESIANS - Paul
PHILLIPIANS - Paul
COLOSSIANS - Paul
1 THESSALONIANS - Paul
2 THESSALONIANS - Paul
1 TIMOTHY - Paul
2 TIMOTHY - Paul
TITUS - Paul
PHILEMON - Paul
HEBREWS - Paul
JAMES - James (Jesus' Brother)
1 PETER - Peter
2 PETER - Peter
1 JOHN - Apostle John
2 JOHN - Apostle John
3 JOHN - Apostle John
JUDE - Jude (Jesus' brother)
REVELATION - Apostle John



Sorry my response took so long. It takes a while to type the names of the 66 books of the Bible and the people who wrote them through divine inspiration. They were inspired to write by the holy spirit of God himself. Now if that's too steep for you to believe, than your post is invalid at best. Seeing how you obviously believe in Jesus, the only begotten son of God being sent to Earth as a ransom sacrifice. I would love to keep ranting, but I'm off work now. I'll bring my material tommorow Mr. scholar.







































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53. "This ought to be interesting..."
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>Sorry my response took so long. It takes a while to type the
>names of the 66 books of the Bible and the people who wrote
>them through divine inspiration. They were inspired to write
>by the holy spirit of God himself. Now if that's too steep for
>you to believe, than your post is invalid at best. Seeing how
>you obviously believe in Jesus, the only begotten son of God
>being sent to Earth as a ransom sacrifice. I would love to
>keep ranting, but I'm off work now. I'll bring my material
>tommorow Mr. scholar.

I'll be watching tomorrow for sure...

PEACE

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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330. "RE: Does this help?"
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fyi, it is well noted that the apostles did not write ANY of the 4 Gospels themselves. The books were written at a minimum of 60 years after the passing of the Messiah. Bible scholars know and accept this. The names of the apostles were used to provide credibility as authors. Some of the gospels share the same source text. If you research New Testament Bible history enough, you'll find this to be true. Give me 2 days to actually provide my references. The current Christian bible was compiled due to a number of decisions at the Counil of Nicea by the Catholic Church, and numerous other gospel accounts were omitted for varying reasons.

my 10 cents.

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348. "RE: Does this help?"
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Yes... the names were changed...
the Romans worshipped Zeus for example...
Spanish is of Latin origin... hence the name Je-Zeus...
these names weren't accurate at all... but that's common sense too... any man that thinks that there were white boys running around Africa dropping knowledge with names like Peter and Paul are out of their damn minds. Word. Even more so if you read the old testament and names like Abraham and Noah exist.

  

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359. "he's right tho"
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i mean, you're not going to argue down his faith, so there's no point in continuing the conversation on that particular level.

he's accepted the bible as god's only true testament. end of story. that automatically renders certain convos/viewpoints null and void.



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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
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366. "RE: he's right tho"
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How is he right? I never argued the man's faith... just his facts... he brought up his faith as all Christians do when they realize they don't know what their talking about. it's like bringing up Astrology they quick to say 'well... you do believe in god don't you?' it's apples and oranges... and to the blind it feels the same.

  

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368. "to him, the bible IS facts."
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that's my point.

it's not that they don't know what they're talking about, it's just that their sources aren't going to be as objective or as expansive as yours.

e.g., you could argue the findings of one christian scholar over another, but anything outside is going to carry a certain level of "heresy".

feel me?

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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
carves through worlds like magic
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369. "RE: to him, the bible IS facts."
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...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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374. "RE: to him, the bible IS facts."
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I do feel you...
I do trust... but how neurotic is that... here is the funny part... this post isn't based on facts per se... it's based on logic... and logic concludes that if everything went down the way they say it did... then judging from location (even if you took that alone) that would almost 100 percent indicate he was black... for example... Jews know their history, or the history of the people they worship, is in Africa, Ethiopia. They know this... they are playing 'Batman' and 'superman' if they think for one second that somehow... in all of africa... the one cat that was the leader was white. it's your typical Tarzan complex... now as far as the info in the Bible... that's up to the person and thier faith... but regardless of what they believe that doesn't make it true... whether they believe that shit in their heart or not... the reality is we were not there... no one was... namean?

  

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382. "faith & logic = apples & oranges"
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i mean, faith kind of precludes logic by definition, right?

you can't really argue the two together.


> but regardless of
>what they believe that doesn't make it true... whether they
>believe that shit in their heart or not... the reality is we
>were not there... no one was... namean?

that point can be used to support as well as refute your argument here.



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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
carves through worlds like magic
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387. "RE: faith & logic = apples & oranges"
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Actually you can... remove faith from the equation...
use basic math...
how is it... when you talk Confuscious... you automatically know he was surrounded by Asians...
you talk Krishna... you know Indians?
you talk Richard the Lionhearted you know Europeans...
then you talk Biblical Africa and it's a question? How does this work?

  

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391. "all right."
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i see what you're saying.

but that part of the world at that time was a melting pot. egypt & ethiopia weren't what they were, phenotypically speaking, a thousand or even a few hundred years before christ's birth.

he could have looked like a lot of different people. just like blk americans do today.

again, i'm not disagreeing with you as such. i don't think jesus could have been anything approaching "lily white" as he is often depicted in the western world today.

BUT it is possibile that he was closer to, say, greek or spanish-looking than straight-up african.

there was just too much miscegenation going on not to take that into account.

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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
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422. "Actually not true..."
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Egypt only allowed Greeks in... hence the mystery school systems...
they did not allow people in the way movies depict... Egypt was basically a huge university... and Ethiopia was untrekked land...
so this isn't true at all... your talking about a trek from Europe across Africa into E. Africa... on foot... was not happening. They would have gotten dealt with long before they arrived.

  

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466. "i don't know who you're reading"
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but i'd like to see some of their maps/conclusions. you're contradicting quite a bit of the afrocentric (not to mention "regular") history i've come across.

>Egypt only allowed Greeks in... hence the mystery school
>systems...

egypt allowed everybody in. traders, etc.
yes, things differ depending on the time period you're talking about, but still...

i'd have to come back to cite a few sources, but egypt was, except in the earliest times, a sort of cultural crossroads. particularly lower (northern) egypt. different "races" had possession of the monarchy at different times, etc.

e.g., we used to swear one of my teachers in h.s. up & down that cleopatra was black. he told us she was, if anything, 1/2 black and 1/2 greek. we called bullshit. since i've actually studied african history, i now realize he was probably right, given the time period when she ruled. not that there weren't many, many other obviously black queens/pharoahs. she just probably wasn't one of them.

would she be considered "black" if we saw her on the street today? maybe. i'm just trying to point out the fluidity of the situation.

you also have to figure out what you're classifying as egypt. that can also differ significantly depending on the time period/dynasty you're talking about.


>they did not allow people in the way movies depict... Egypt
>was basically a huge university... and Ethiopia was untrekked
>land...

right. a huge university. anyone could study there.

*parts* of ethiopia (as we know it today) were "untrekked". other parts were not. there were wars fought, invasions, etc. plus, ethiopia borders water. trade routes.

the traditional borders of modern egypt, sudan, and ethiopia were defined by the cataracts in some way or another up until the division of africa w/ the rise of slavery/colonization.


>so this isn't true at all... your talking about a trek from
>Europe across Africa into E. Africa... on foot... was not
>happening. They would have gotten dealt with long before they
>arrived.

i'm not talking about europe. nothing in the bible--to my knowledge--took place that far north. but certainly you have to consider the middle east & the mediterranean. and some of those people are very "white"-looking.

and many ppl traveled by other means than on foot.

...and how do you mean "dealt with?" african society/culture has always, to some degree, been quite inclusive. it's been part of the nature of our downfall, to hear some tell it.

after the migrations and the fall of some of the great african civilizations (egypt/kemet, nubia, etc.), yes, there were groups determined to keep "white" and other folks out. but that inclination took centuries of warfare & conflict to manifest. generally, there was sort of a "come on in!" policy loooong before christ came on the scene. so imagine what it must have looked like by the time he got there.

again, i'm not disagreeing w/ you totally, but you seem to have a rather skewed idea of what these areas looked like by the time christ was born.

  

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467. "Dr. Naeem Akbar/ I mean your still quesitoning CLEO? Really?"
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and your questioning what I'm reading?
Sighs...

and your questioning whether or not Egypt was a university?
wow.

REad some work by Dr. Naeem Akbar... for starters.
I mean half your comments were guesses... right?

For the record she was black.


  

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480. "yo..."
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>and your questioning what I'm reading?
>Sighs...

i was just asking about which historians you're reading. drawing from my knowledge to this point, i don't see where you're getting some of this from.

i'm totally open/willing to be corrected. i learn something new daily. but--going back to the original intent--very little in this post "proves" anything. on either side.

we're arguing the phenotypical appearance of a man who may or may not have existed.

and we already agree that, whether or not he did, the important thing is the lessons he taught/embodied.

again, i have admitted that i figure he was most likely a black man or something damn close to it.

what more is there to say? *shrug*


>and your questioning whether or not Egypt was a university?
>wow.

re-read what i said in my last post:

you: "they did not allow people in the way movies depict... Egypt
was basically a huge university... and Ethiopia was untrekked land..."

me: "right. a huge university. anyone could study there."

i agreed with you.
just about every serious student of history, racist or not, realizes that egypt/kemet was one of the major educational centers of the ancient world. they might question who was doing the teaching, but...


>REad some work by Dr. Naeem Akbar... for starters.

i have, actually. i own both "breaking the chains..." and "know thy self". i dig dude, plan on reading more. but his perspective is psychology, not a history as such.


>I mean half your comments were guesses... right?

no, i was not guessing. i was drawing on what i know based on my studies/readings to this point.


>For the record she was black.

have you seen any alternative drawings/representations of her? from everything i've seen, she looks like she's probably of mixed heritage. wasn't her father ptolemy? as far as i know, it's well-known that he was of an afro-asian-greek (or some other mix) line. i don't know anything about her mother.

regardless, i really don't care whether she was or not. there are plenty of examples of black, illustrious royalty in kemet & elsewhere. one questionable queen doesn't really matter one way or the other to me. i'm just open to the *possibility* that she wasn't necessarily black.

*everybody* ain't black
just like everybody ain't descended from royalty.

it's cool. we have PLENTY we can claim clearly & rightfully. no need to waste time haggling over petty details.


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484. "I feel you.."
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and I apologize for jumping to conclusions...
but you have to know, no not everyone could study in Egypt. That's not true... there was a rigorous process to even be accepted and the only outside studies they offered were to the Greeks...
read anything by Dr. Naeem Akbar, the world's leading Egyptologist. That can break a lot down, he has a lot of books, lectures, pamphlets, DVD's, CD's you name it. Had a chance of seeing him and building with him for three days about Free Energy Concepts in Egypt vs. Nikoli Tesla's Theories on Free Energy. Great conversation...
horrible coffee. Damn UDC. Smile.

  

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492. "oh. wrong author."
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>read anything by Dr. Naeem Akbar, the world's leading
>Egyptologist. That can break a lot down, he has a lot of
>books, lectures, pamphlets, DVD's, CD's you name it. Had a
>chance of seeing him and building with him for three days
>about Free Energy Concepts in Egypt vs. Nikoli Tesla's
>Theories on Free Energy. Great conversation...
>horrible coffee. Damn UDC. Smile.

i'm doing a google search & i'm not seeing him, but i'll ask around.

finding quite a bit on nikoli tesla tho.



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497. "...and by the way"
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came across this:
http://wysinger.homestead.com/candace.html

"Roman involvement in the affairs of Africa progressively increased during the course of the first century B.C.E., particularly after Ptolemy XII Auletes secured financial and military support from Rome in his successful bid to reestablish himself as pharaoh of Egypt, having been forced into exile by a rival faction. Upon his death in 51 B.C.E. he bequeathed his kingdom to his daughter, Cleopatra VII, and her much younger brother, Ptolemy XIII. Of Cleopatra's direct ancestors, only the identity of her maternal grandmother remains unknown, and there is no compelling evidence to suggest that she was either an Egyptian or a Nubian. All of Cleopatra VII's other forebears were of Macedonian Greek descent. The account of her spectacular rise to power and her relationships with Julius Caesar and Marc Antony are beyond the scope of this narrative, but her ultimate confrontation with Octavian at the Battle of Actium in 31 B.C.E. and suicide a year later enabled the Romans to gain possession of Egypt."

so i don't know about cleopatras 1-6, but the "famous" one probably wasn't a black woman.

*shrug*

  

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41. "Fair point"
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43. "RE: Fair point"
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Fair point? Nah, that's rhetoric. Make a claim, back it up.
That simple.

  

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48. "Thanks for the schooling"
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>Fair point? Nah, that's rhetoric. Make a claim, back it up.
>That simple.

I wrote fair point in recognition of Shakeet's point that given the fundamental difference between the foundation of his belief and mine, there is no point in arguing.

I think you are following a trivial line of argument. Do you think I give a fuck whether a fairytale character is black or white? But if it helps your libido, then fine, I too think he is black.

  

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88. "RE: Thanks for the schooling"
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Now that was funny.

  

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93. "could you not disrespect someone elses faith please?"
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94. "RE: could you not disrespect someone elses faith please?"
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I don't think he disrespected anyone else's faith... he didn't name any faith directly and if he doesn't believe that his right to say it and be proud of it. You shouldn't take offense.

  

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96. "thats offense but ok whatever"
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"Do you think I give a fuck whether a fairytale character is black or white? But if it helps your libido, then fine, I too think he is black"
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97. "Don't be so anal"
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If you don't want your beliefs challenged what are you doing in Okayplayer?

*The edit was in the spirit of being less confrontational*

  

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98. "RE: thats offense but ok whatever"
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yeah and... perhaps you should accept the fact that everyone is not Christian... and he has the right to say what he likes... again, he's not pointing you out.. .he's speaking on a general subject.. you may be christian but you don't own christ or his image... in fact, christians are largely responsible for not questioning why the Eurochrist is so popular when it's a lie... he has a right to speak on it Sun. Again, he's not pointing out your denomination, or church, or anything... I think your being overly sensitive on this.
With all respect due... there are MANY people who think the Bible and Christianity is nothing more than a political tool.

  

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193. "How is that offensive?"
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"I liked it," Gilliam said of playing gunner on punt team. "It was the first time I did anything like that. It was fun. It felt like, if he wasn't fair catching it, he was disrespecting me, so I was trying to take a head off if I could." Response-ability

  

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197. "Exactly."
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Same thing I said... I don't see it...
he's being sensitive and while I understand and respect all religions... some people just have trouble with the truth and with their beliefs being challenged... I invite everyone to leave thier comfort zone.

  

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29. "RE: Seriously"
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REall? His servants.
Ok mate...
who wrote the Old Testament?
Now the New Testament... would love to hear how God contacted them (please point that out in the Bible as well... and I need specific locations as I will spot check it).
Cool? Your going to have to do better than phony nonsense that only works in Churches where people don't even read their bibles.

  

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40. "RE: Seriously"
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Like I said black, if you really wanna get into this, tommorow I will have references for you. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you over it. But if you think know so much, holla at me tommorow.

"I'm scientific, but my reflex gangsta"- Black Thought

  

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42. "RE: Seriously"
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Nah never said that...
we can definitely build...
but I do know what I know.
You can't sit here and properly hold a argument about God...
namean? He hired writers? Sun he's God... if he can create the earth and the universe... he can create a book... nah. Aint adding up.
We'll build tomorrow. Peace.

  

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33. "Bethlehem is in Africa?"
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>Easily, he was born in Africa to Jewish parents.

Uh, where do you think he was born exactly? Cuz if you accept the account of his birth in Bethlehem, how is that in Africa?

>The first
>jews were Ethiopian.

No the were not. Ethiopian Jews themselves don't even claim that that.

>Now follow that bloodline all the way to
>Halei Salassie... who claimed to be decendent of King
>Soloman... all African. All the time.

First of all, that's a myth. Second of all, even if it was true it would disprove your point (look up what the story actually says)

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36. "RE: Bethlehem is in Africa?"
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Northern Africa yes.
The middle east is Africa in case you didn't know.
Ethiopian? Really, so the whole Hale Salassie thing was just one big joke heh?

  

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46. "Really? So Iraq is in Africa too?"
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>Northern Africa yes.
>The middle east is Africa in case you didn't know.

How about Iran? Where do you draw the line?

>Ethiopian? Really, so the whole Hale Salassie thing was just
>one big joke heh?

Not a joke, it's a national myth. That doesn't make it a bad thing, every nation has one. Doesn't make it true though.

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47. "RE: Really? So Iraq is in Africa too?"
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"Not a joke, it's a national myth. That doesn't make it a bad thing, every nation has one. Doesn't make it true though."-40th

Good case in point...

Question: Are there different views on that particular "myth" about Selassie though?

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55. "there might be some elements of truth behind the myth actually"
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The myth says Selassie is descended from King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, who was an Ethiopian queen named Makeda. They had a son named Menelik, who when he came of age travelled to Jerusalem to meet Solomon, who recognized him as his son. When Menelik returned to Ethiopia he took the Ark of the Covenant with him, became the first Emperor of Ethiopia and founder of the Solominic Dynasty, all the way down to Selassie.

OK so first off, the queen of Sheba almost certainly wasn't from Ethiopia so the myth isn't literally true. BUT if there was a queen of Sheba she'd have been from Saba in south Yemen, which is where Ethiopians are descended from (in part), so there is a link there.

Also there's a theory that the Ark might actually be in Ethiopia, that it was removed from the Temple in Jerusalem to prevent it from being looted or destroyed by whoever was sacking Jerusalem at the time, and was brought into Egypt and hidden on Elephantine island in the Nile (there was in fact a Jewish settlement on the island for several centuries during this time period). Then when Elephantine was ransaked the Ark wass again removed and taken up the nile, this time all the way into Ethiopia which was remote enough to keep it safe.

There's no real proof of this, but there is alot of interesting circumstantial evidence pointing to it. I read a book called The Sign and the Seal about it that makes a pretty convincing case that it's at least a strong possibility. I don't know if it actually is there but it seems plausible at least.

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56. "RE: there might be some elements of truth behind the myth actually"
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>The myth says Selassie is descended from King Solomon and the
>Queen of Sheba, who was an Ethiopian queen named Makeda. They
>had a son named Menelik, who when he came of age travelled to
>Jerusalem to meet Solomon, who recognized him as his son. When
>Menelik returned to Ethiopia he took the Ark of the Covenant
>with him, became the first Emperor of Ethiopia and founder of
>the Solominic Dynasty, all the way down to Selassie.
>
>OK so first off, the queen of Sheba almost certainly wasn't
>from Ethiopia so the myth isn't literally true. BUT if there
>was a queen of Sheba she'd have been from Saba in south Yemen,
>which is where Ethiopians are descended from (in part), so
>there is a link there.
>
>Also there's a theory that the Ark might actually be in
>Ethiopia, that it was removed from the Temple in Jerusalem to
>prevent it from being looted or destroyed by whoever was
>sacking Jerusalem at the time, and was brought into Egypt and
>hidden on Elephantine island in the Nile (there was in fact a
>Jewish settlement on the island for several centuries during
>this time period). Then when Elephantine was ransaked the Ark
>wass again removed and taken up the nile, this time all the
>way into Ethiopia which was remote enough to keep it safe.
>
>
>There's no real proof of this, but there is alot of
>interesting circumstantial evidence pointing to it. I read a
>book called The Sign and the Seal about it that makes a pretty
>convincing case that it's at least a strong possibility. I
>don't know if it actually is there but it seems plausible at
>least.

Since you obviously seem to know a little bit more about this than some silly bitches do... look at what you said... does any of it lead to historical/logical/factual creedence that Jesus had to have been black?

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60. "no, but this does:"
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The Gangsta Gospels: MC Jesus Chronicles 2001:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=18&topic_id=38385&mesg_id=38385

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61. "RE: no, but this does:"
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>The Gangsta Gospels: MC Jesus Chronicles 2001:
>
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=18&topic_id=38385&mesg_id=38385

That maybe the funniest shit I ever read.

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62. "Brilliant post"
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That was like watching 'From Dusk til Dawn' You think it is a serious film until halway through...

The missing years (13 - 33)? Wanking in his bedroom, interupted only by nonsensical rants on Okayplayer..

  

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64. "RE: Brilliant post"
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>The missing years (13 - 33)? Wanking in his bedroom,
>interupted only by nonsensical rants on Okayplayer..

Well then half the people on here could be Jesus.


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67. "Exactly!"
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Sorry it took so long to respond I was, er, otherwise engaged.

  

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72. "LOL"
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381. "i've read about this too"
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>Also there's a theory that the Ark might actually be in
>Ethiopia, that it was removed from the Temple in Jerusalem to
>prevent it from being looted or destroyed by whoever was
>sacking Jerusalem at the time, and was brought into Egypt and
>hidden on Elephantine island in the Nile (there was in fact a
>Jewish settlement on the island for several centuries during
>this time period). Then when Elephantine was ransaked the Ark
>wass again removed and taken up the nile, this time all the
>way into Ethiopia which was remote enough to keep it safe.


it's very interesting to me. doesnt the story go that there is only one man who can physically view the ark, and that he has an apprentice of sorts that will take over the job after he is done? the "apprentice" has to be completely sin free because if not viewing the ark will destroy him. this is all from memory so forgive any errors. also the church or whatever it is that holds the ark is guarded by a bunch of guys with AK's?

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470. "RE: i've read about this too"
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>it's very interesting to me. doesnt the story go that there is
>only one man who can physically view the ark, and that he has
>an apprentice of sorts that will take over the job after he is
>done? the "apprentice" has to be completely sin free because
>if not viewing the ark will destroy him. this is all from
>memory so forgive any errors.

Yep, that's exactly right.

>also the church or whatever it
>is that holds the ark is guarded by a bunch of guys with
>AK's?

It used to be at least, I don't know if it still is though.

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474. "RE: i've read about this too"
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go deeper.. .explain some more... this could be a good read.

  

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496. "that's the whole story basically"
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the Ark is supposedly kept in a church in Ethiopia, it's guarded by a priest who is the only person allowed to see it. It's kept wrapped under several layers of cloth because it's supposed to have powers that are dangerous if you touch or look directly at it, only a person with a pure soul can look at it safely, which is why the guardian of the Ark is chosen for being free of sin.

It's his duty to guard the ark for the rest of his life, before he dies he chooses a new guardian from one of the young apprentice priests who is the most pure of heart to take his place.

That's it really, I don't know what else you want to know. If you want to look it up there's a bunch of sites online that talk about it, the church is called St. Mary of Zion, it's in the town of Axum in northern Ethiopia.

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51. "RE: Really? So Iraq is in Africa too?"
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>>Northern Africa yes.
>>The middle east is Africa in case you didn't know.
>
>How about Iran? Where do you draw the line?
>
>>Ethiopian? Really, so the whole Hale Salassie thing was just
>>one big joke heh?
>
>Not a joke, it's a national myth. That doesn't make it a bad
>thing, every nation has one. Doesn't make it true though.

You'll have to excuse Waterboys Wank he wouldn't know what he was talking about, if he wrote it on his palm and used that shit like a cheat sheet.

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4. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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>Nah, he was. That isn't the argument at all.
>


Yeah because your argument of 'He was... because his... umm... mannerisms were' is a fucking paragon of enlightened debate.

Since when were you hanging around with the Apostles? How do you know what the fuck his mannerisms were?

Sean | Jesus was an Arab. blonde haired, blue eyed? Nope. Black... hardly.

  

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7. "LOL!!!"
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n/m

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9. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Nope. Niggaz know niggaz...
we know our mannerisms... and when (outside of Bono) is the last time you met a compassionate humble white man? c'mon sun.

  

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13. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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>Nope. Niggaz know niggaz...
>we know our mannerisms... and when (outside of Bono) is the
>last time you met a compassionate humble white man? c'mon
>sun.


Hyperbole, bullshit and stupidity...

Its like saying "I've got gaydar"

Congratulations, different name, still unable to argue your way out of a wet paper bag.

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15. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Nope... not at all... sorry if you don't have that kind of 'soul'.
how a white person going to tell a black person what isn't in their nature? haha.. first we let you listen to blues.. now this. haha.. wow.

  

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17. "IS THAT IT???!!!"
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IS THAT YOUR PROOF?! YOUR OPINION ON HIS "MANNERISMS"?! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Man I thought you had something at least a little credible to back you up. But you don't. You just have your opinion. If you didn't notice, this is okayplayer and not the chess club. Come correct or don't come at all.

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18. "RE: IS THAT IT???!!!"
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REad the entire post..
and maybe you won't laugh as hard.
BWAHH!...
It's common sense... but read the post... I know how you whites love to be number one.
Can't accept reality... but I will help you through it my brother.

How alarming is it that whites are comfortable just laughing at the idea of a black jesus... but will bang our music, rock our styles all day... trust people, nothing has changed, it just wears a fitted now.

  

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189. "Boo"
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>It's common sense... but read the post... I know how you
>whites love to be number one.

No one is saying he is white, they are sayig he was an Arab....


>How alarming is it that whites are comfortable just laughing
>at the idea of a black jesus... but will bang our music, rock
>our styles all day... trust people, nothing has changed, it
>just wears a fitted now.
>

Cultural appropriation. You think Blacks arent guilty of it? think again.

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384. "RE: Boo"
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Not bright are you. Arab?
haha... the first Arabs were black... so funny.

  

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450. "Proof?"
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What about Berber tribes in North Africa who are and always have been white?

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478. "RE: Proof?"
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Um... no.. migrants...
you cannot take yourself seriously.

  

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481. "credit where it's due"
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aquaman's right: the berbers were (asian, if i'm not mistaken) migrants who came in & mixed and/or fought w/ the native blk population for a long time.

i believe that began when the sahara was still green, and they simply stayed after the deforestation occurred.


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49. "So lets pile all of your bullshit into one post."
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>Nope... it's common sense.
>I have given you the African bloodline.

You have given me a fictional bloodline propogated by a man to try an rationalize his brutal hold on power.

Haillie Sallasie said he was descendent from Solomon... Well holy shit! Stop the presses! He must be right! That must of course make Jesus black... because Hallie Sellasie said he was descendent from Solomon.

And I'm descended from a little indian princess... lemme at some of the casino cash.

Over and over again you haven't proven anything, you just recite fiction and try to pass it off as truth. you can't prove that Haille Sellasie was descendant from Solomon (but of course since he was a black man you believe what he says, because he's not one of those evil white people out to oppress you... which by the way... when is your personal pity party going to end?)


>cause according to your words...
>Jews are the ONLY race (and they are not a race people, just a
>religion) that have been clean of mixing with any other
>race... how is that?

Wait a second... lemme go back and read through my post...

Nope I never said that.

So can you argue with someone by providing historically supported proof or even with wit and humor... or does everything you write have to depend on bullshit, conspiracy theories and straw men?

The reason why its absurd that I would have ever said that is because as a person of Jewish heritage I am a mixture of races. The Jewish side of my family is Polish, Czech, and German. The Anglo side of my family is Irish and French.

>Hmmm?
>Which is awfully racist to think they are 'pure'. Hmmm? How
>is this?

You're a fucking caricature. You're a joke. A fucking sham.

Bring something that resembles facts and we can have an argument...

>Abraham - Ibraheem
>Moses - Musa
>Soloman - Sulamaynn
>
>Sound white to you?

As I would bet unlike you I speak Arabic. You being a pitiful little pedant doesn't prove a damn thing... because over and over again I haven't said that Jesus was white, but that he was what we would quantify as Arabic... and your response...

"Well an ethiopian said he was descendent from Solomon, and Niggaz know other Niggaz... and all white people are non-compassionate oppressors... so Jesus must be Black!"

>Um, Judaism didn't start in Europe.
>Wrong answer, try again.

Did I say that it is... or are you just overwhelmed by the fact that I know what I am talking about so you start making shit up? You are a grade A cant hang. You have the intellectual ability of a bunch of short bus riding fools.

>Also, you sound like your either of Armenian, Polish, or
>Turkish decent...
>sorry to break the news to you... but they are converts.
>Jew-ish.. kind of Jew. Hence the ish.

You just have no idea what you are talking about. And the ish line? Laughable.

are you out of high school?

So... if you're polish you are kind of a pole? Or if you are 100% turkish you are 'kind of a turk'

You are fucking moronicish.

>Nope... not at all... sorry if you don't have that kind of
>'soul'.
>how a white person going to tell a black person what isn't in
>their nature? haha.. first we let you listen to blues.. now
>this. haha.. wow.

First of all you haven't quantified what is or isn't in a black persons nature... and whether or not Jesus had those qualities... why is that?

Why is that?

Oh thats right because you are talking out of your ass!

You're the intellectual version of a snake oil sales man.

Go take your race baiting childs play back to grade school and leave the grown ups to them selves.

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52. "LMAO"
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Checkmate

  

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63. "you can't hear Jimi"
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>their nature? haha.. first we let you listen to blues.. now
>this. haha.. wow.


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57. "Bono is humble?"
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That might be the craziest thing you've said in this thread.

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310. "RE: Bono is humble?"
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bwhahahahaha

  

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314. "RE: Bono is humble?"
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Actually.... yes. Very.

  

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324. "your'e crazy"
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Bono's a good guy and his heart's definitely in the right place, but he's got an enormous ego.

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333. "RE: your'e crazy"
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Nah I have met Bono... he's confident... and he deserves to be... no one, not even any person on this site has accomplished what that man has... not too many people outside of Fela, Bob Marley, and Peter Tosh has accomplished what this man has. Can't front.

  

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338. "RE: your'e crazy"
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question is how did he get into that position to be able to do all these great things? maybe its because i ain't done a whole bunch of things or maybe its my philosophy but i'm always really dubious about rock stars with causes. which is not to knock what he does right enough.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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341. "RE: your'e crazy"
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He extended himself...
while others will take thier money and buy gold bathtubs...
he invested in Africa AIDS Crisis programs...
he set up a NGO that deals exclusively with Africa...
he went to Africa numerous times to try and help...
he applied himself. Meanwhile BABy from Cashmoney is spinning around in circles in a Ferrari with Gucci interior with one door open.

  

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342. "I fully agree with you on that"
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Like I said, he's a good guy no doubt, and I fully respect and appreciate all those positive things he's done like you mentioned. But he still has that rock star ego thing going. Doesn't make him any less good of a person (maybe more annoying, but no less good) - it just is what it is.

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349. "RE: I fully agree with you on that"
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I hear you... but I have to say... to give up all the fame and glory of a rock star to go to the belly to help out your fellow brothers and sisters who are ill, hungry, war torn, disenfranchised... that says volumes. How many cats in hiphop have done a damn thing for their brothers and sisters in Africa? Kweli has performed there... but poetry aint saving nobody.

  

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352. "RE: I fully agree with you on that"
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..thats the other point. with the system we've got, all the money and fame and all the rest of it. how many people who could make a difference wherever they don't bother and get caught up chasing the aforementioned money and fame?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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353. "RE: I fully agree with you on that"
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Exactly. He could be wilding out right about now... mad women... mad cars... just illing... and even if he is he deserves to cause he is putting his money where his mouth is... he is helping people... he's personally going to the villages to see the effects of whats going on... he even brough in other celebs (if you will) like Michael Jackson and Chris Tucker... he's even mentioned that he tried to get certain people and they were like 'Um... I love your music but... how's a check sound?' Plus he has that "one" . org thing? Not sure if that's right but they are running ads for it now... he's pulled quite a few people in... including Brad Pitt and others with some real pull.

  

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343. "nobody who wears colored sunglasses indoors is humble"
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350. "RE: nobody who wears colored sunglasses indoors is humble"
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hahaha... true... I mean he is Bono tho'... he is a star...
and on the real it aint about what you wear... it's about what you do...
how many black artists are rocking headwraps and won't go nowhere near Africa??? Dave Chappelle will rock a Malcolm or Che shirt and then go on Conan OBrian and say he never wants to go to Africa cause he don't want to go nowhere that has more flies than people.
Think about it.

  

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530. "Bono wasn't GRACIOUS enough to GIVE HIS Grammy's to India Irie..."
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Anybody remember that year when U2 won 3 or 4 Grammy's--and were ON STAGE WITH India when she was REPEATEDLY DENIED a MUCH Deserved Grammy?

If I was Bono I would have told the judges to PHUK THEMSELVEs an HANDED OVER my EXTRA Trophy to India....but he didn't...thats EGO!!

  

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217. "simply because you claim he is, that makes it a fact?"
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more and more jokes erryday..i love it

  

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5. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Lol, this is your third attempt at getting this forum to fly!! Is that why you've changed your name?

Jesus is a mythical character; he will always look like what the elite want him to. All religious people, blacks included, tend to internalise that.

With respect, where exactly are you driving with this forum? Are you trying challenge the inferiority stigma (to which blacks subscribe) by challenging the whiteness of Christ?

If so, why not simply bin this religion?

  

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10. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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I'm challenging the lies and the conditioning process of EuroAmerica.
When blacks drop this from there mental library they are on their way.

  

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12. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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I expect whites to hold on to it... cause they predominately live in a fantasy world where America is Numberone, Moses looked white (cause of their movies), Jews are white, they worship Santa and the easter bunny... and so on. It's a serious control issue with a superiority complex to boot... even if they dress like they down with hiphop, know the slang, and the mannerisms. Doesn't matter... cause at the core, they are the same folk as their parents.

  

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44. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Because around the world people have been conditioned to adopt a foreign thought process...such as Christianity...

When we were brought to this country, that was the MAIN agenda of the slavemasters...to disenfranchise us from OUR former "beliefs" and have us claim "white-Jesus" and such as the focus of our daily lives...

People with little-to-no power (in themselves) always quote scripture from mythical books...therefore, word-of-mouth advisement is considered to be nulled at first-chance...meaning, that someone of a faith will see someone that's not of THEIR faith as a target of either conversion, or ridicule...so, in turn, the person that has HEARD that Jesus could possibly be a descendant of the Falasha Jews (who were supposedly descended from the "affair" between King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba) will be seen as an object of ridicule and neglect from the perspective of your average blue-nose ( a term used in reference to a person who always peruses the "King James" Bible)...

...and, in that perspective, anyone who quotes from the KING JAMES BIBLE...like it's the infallible Word of God...is a fucking moron!!!

By that, I mean, it's not original...and I think that most using common sense can understand that...

...and 40th is right, according to scripture, Jesus would have been born in Bethelem...then again, the Middle East could be considered the "middle" of NORTHEAST AFRICA...


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45. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Before anyone jumps on my tail about the part I stated about "quoting scripture" and then I made the comment about..."according to scripture, Jesus...."...that's not me being contrary to my own words, is it?...


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71. "Doesn't the story go...."
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he was born in Bethlehem due to John and Mary fearing for his safety so the fled to the town of Bethlehem?

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483. "somebody needs to add to that *points up*"
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he's on to something.

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66. "co sign all of this"
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68. "*Subtext*"
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Sad Puppy Eyes, will you go out with me? xxx

  

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86. "LOL!"
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He hasn't denied it, the young boy wonder!!

  

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91. "who the hell are you? im already involved with someone...."
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the point was well made....
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95. "LMAO! It was a lighthearted joke..."
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...why the agro? Methinks the boy wonder doth protest too much!

  

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58. "Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?"
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did he walk with a strut or something?

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59. "RE: Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?"
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>did he walk with a strut or something?

Ride a mule with a profile lean?

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65. "LOL"
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70. "RE: LOL"
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JESUS CHRIST IS A COCK SUCKING FRAT BOY///

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76. "He had bitches and hoes,"
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in different area codes.

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265. "RE: Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?"
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>did he walk with a strut or something?

ROFL!
exactly what I thought when I first read this.

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"sup muhfukkas ... {raises black power fist} ... today's sermon came to me in a vision from above ..."

Damn, it's been a LONG LONG while since I came to Activist. I forgot how much comedy there was on this board. It's like the GD for the self-righteous.

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270. "RE: Christ's mannerisms indicate he was Black?"
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He was humble.
He was proud.
He was defiant.
He was strong.
Listen to what he said. He ran with the lowest of the low, the thieves, the prostitutes, the gamblers. He fought the system. He ran from the cops... he walked amoungst the people.

  

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69. "FISH ? FISH ? and no chicken ?"
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he wasn't black
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73. "HaHa very funny muhfucka (c)Run DMC"
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74. "oddspot."
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check it, the line of solomon goes through jesus' is not that of mary but that of joseph! and joeseph was not jesus' father, according to immaculate conception. so, while selassie most likely was of the line of solomon, jesus was not.

read mathew 1 to check that out.

i also read some information pointing not necessarily to god but to zecharaiah, john the baptists father was the true father of jesus.

here is a link with the language.

http://www.newcovpub.com/unification/howwas.html

other things, there is some speculation that jeus trained in tibet, and the wisemen were lamas, making jesus a lama. he also taught outside of the synagogues a doctorine that was not explicitely jewish.

i guess there is a whole lot of speculation, and the idea that jesus was white is wrong. the idea that jesus was afro black has some merit in my oppinion.

at this time in history, jews were not europeanized! so the appearance of the modern jew especially as americans know it is incorrect in reference to the jew of 2000 years ago.

some other points, moses was confused with the son of pharoes daughter. either the ancient egyptians were white as well (there is a body of evidence to refute this claim), which would allow for a white moses to be confused as the son of the daughter of an egyptian pharoe, or the egyptians were black and the jews were black at the time.

it doesn't take much to knock the black out of a persons skin. generations pass swiftly. how many generations of interbreeding with europeans could have passed between now and then?

at the very least he was baking in the sun 'bronze' with kinky black hair. which lends creedence being of recent african descent. morena. the moors.

aaaagh. i'm starting to speculate and putting out information that i don't have the time to back up with links.

i think that jews, with their big lips, afros, and wide hipped big bottomed women, have a provable link to africa and being african, even if they didn't come from there originally, being in africa for a long time would have breed into the local population to a reasonable degree. but again all this is speculation based off of observation.

in general.

egyptians are/were black
jews are/were black
jesus was black

the confusing factor is the amount of time jews have spent interbreeding with the europeans.

and no matter what jesus was not blond haired and blue eyed.

some other interesting 'speculation' for people to research is thhe african/egyptian origin of the bible/torah and the kabaalist knowledge/school of mysteries.

gypsies.

egypt.

e-gypt-sies

personally i believe that there has been an active discrediting and burying of the african roots of all civilization, brought on by and large by the justifications of slavery and the wholesale exploitation of africa by the europeans. i think the fact that we are dealing with this in a latin/gemanic based language will further hinder translations to the mainstream mind of africans outside of africa.

i think that causes the most problems with white people and even europeanized jews conceiving a black jesus.

i could skip over jesus after overstanding his teachings and check out the parallel between his story and the story of isis and osiris. down to the black madonna or the madonna and child being inspired by an egyptian heiroglyphic inscription of isis and osiris.

42 negative confessions of maat as the truncated basis of the 10 commandments.

the influence of eqypt on the custom and religion of the jews.

i don't think we need to stop with jesus. 'africanize' the world. by africanizing our own black minds. why do we need to argue with white people over whether or not jesus was black?

just weighing in.
throwing in a couple of vectors that people could check out to see if there is any resonating truth in your universe of perception contained within.

ok.

  

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204. "Was Jesus Black?"
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To Oddspot posting # 74: You have one of the few sensible posts here.

Not all Jews are Ashkenazi Europeans. Some are Sephardic (descendents of Spanish Jews), who were kicked out during the Inquisition. Some are North African. Jews in Eastern Europe were cut off from these populations for a long time.

Face it people: You don't hide out where you stand out. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph had to be dark skinned to hide out in Egypt to avoid being caught and killed by Herod. I'm black and have lived in Seattle for nearly 12 years. I've been in the same neighborhood for over 4 years and STILL get the n----r treatment: getting followed in stores, white bytches checking their purses when I walk by - AND I'M FEMALE TOO! They're much more safer than I am, but all they see is my color.
If I'm stupid enough to stay here another 12 years, I'll STILL get this treatment. I can't hide TODAY - so if the Holy Family were white, how hard would it have been to catch 3 people looking like they walked out of a Renaissance painting in Egypt? Not that hard.

White people: You know we're going to say things you don't agree with on this site (like yes, Jesus could be black) so why are you even here?! We can't have a discussion to ourselves w/o scared, threatened white folks getting in the middle and taking it over.

  

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311. "RE: oddspot."
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i may be a bit naive, but, since jesus is supposed to be gods son it seems to me that the question is which colour is gods skin...
and i always figured that god has the same colour as the one believing in wants him since he (or she) is a fabrication of ones mind to try to explain the unimaginable...

  

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315. "RE: oddspot."
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Um. It says in the Bible God made man from Mud... Mud is brown right?
Besides... nothing can dispute the fact this took place in Africa..
and he was a black ethiopian.

  

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75. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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'Cos He wasn't. He was Jewish.

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77. "Yep"
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Thats about all that needs to be said. Hes Jewish.

And why does it even matter? Does his race make him any better/worse?? If hes black or white or jewish or even a lil ol' penguin does that make Jesus dying for your sins any less great?? Lol. Who cares though.

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78. "Judiasm is an ethnic group comprised of"
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Many different peoples.

The statement you made is somewhat similar to saying: " Of course Bob Marley was black; he's Jamaican."






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90. "RE: Judiasm is an ethnic group comprised of"
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Judaism is not a ethnic group... it's a religion.
When you blurr the lines, that's when you have whites who converted to a African religion, running around saying that the ancient stories in the bible were of them. Not so. At all.

  

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119. "Do you know what ethnic means?"
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"I liked it," Gilliam said of playing gunner on punt team. "It was the first time I did anything like that. It was fun. It felt like, if he wasn't fair catching it, he was disrespecting me, so I was trying to take a head off if I could." Response-ability

  

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122. "RE: Do you know what ethnic means?"
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Its pretty obvious not.

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79. "I'm convinced.. He was Black."
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Now what?

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532. "Aquaman... you listenin??"
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What now?

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80. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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It shouldn't even be an issue if Jesus was black or white. I'm sure if he was here he would say that arguments like this are a waste of intelligence because it doesn't matter. What if he was asian or indian would that change anything?
Who cares?

  

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82. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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...what are you trying to claim by proving whether jesus was black or not? whatever race he was Jesus was a Jew, since both Jews and Christians share the old testament right? so the new testament is about the teachings of christ? a different branch of the tree, right?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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83. "At first"
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I thought that this was an attempt to subvert the western myth that Jesus is white in order to promote the self identity of the black man; which is an honourable endeavour.

But then I realised that this guy is actually tring to establish that there was a 'real' character who (by virtue of his mannerisms) was African; which is a fruitless endeavour.

  

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151. "It would matter....."
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if you don't believe Paul. When he says god inspired him to bring the teachings to the Gentiles.

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155. "RE: It would matter....."
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Why exactly should I believe Paul?
Didn't Paul say that if lying brings people to the truth then one should Lie?
do you know how many men have made this same claim... about God inspiring them? What makes him so special?

  

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i'm making is before Paul Jesus only came for HIS people and not the gentiles. So whether he was African, European, or would ever would make a big difference. And right. Why would you believe a self admitted lier?

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84. "I dont know i f he was or not"
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its pretty irrelevant really, considering that whoever believes in that stuff recreates it in their own image anyway.

I was talking about black jews the other day. Apparently, the reason why there are different "shades" of jew, is because on of Noahs sons was black...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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92. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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Foolish... one of Noah's son.s...
hmmm... you wouldn't be referring to the racist belief of the story of Ham would you insanejake?
Noah was black so of course all his son's were black...
I'm going to start calling this european movement... white out.
cause no matter how black anything is give it time before they apply the white out.
christianity
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and ya'll wonder why Muslims aint allowing them cats to touch their book... that's why!

  

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110. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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>Foolish... one of Noah's son.s...
>hmmm... you wouldn't be referring to the racist belief of the
>story of Ham would you insanejake?
>Noah was black so of course all his son's were black...
>I'm going to start calling this european movement... white
>out.
>cause no matter how black anything is give it time before they
>apply the white out.
>christianity
>juadaism
>rock
>hiphop
>blues
>jazz
>and ya'll wonder why Muslims aint allowing them cats to touch
>their book... that's why!


So are you just otherwise occupied or too afraid to respond to dudes post?

And please, since you haven't proven that Judaism was started by Africans, please refrain from saying as such until you can...

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111. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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>hmmm... you wouldn't be referring to the racist belief of the
>story of Ham would you insanejake?

I referenced it yes. I had never heard of it before it was mentioned to me. Now I did some research on it as well. How is the story racist (not the meanings attached to it)? Ham wasn't cursed for being black, he was cursed for invading his fathers privacy... Here is an interesting link:

http://www.scripturessay.com/q304b.html

The author of this maintains that neither Ham nor Canaan were black...

>Noah was black so of course all his son's were black...

None of the logic in the above sentance follows, particularly in a biblical story which is probably metaphorical anyway....

>I'm going to start calling this european movement... white
>out.
>cause no matter how black anything is give it time before they
>apply the white out.
>christianity
>juadaism
>rock
>hiphop
>blues
>jazz

Its called cultural appropriation. Most cultures do it, get over it.

>and ya'll wonder why Muslims aint allowing them cats to touch
>their book... that's why!

There are plenty of white muslims. Have a look in Eastern Europe... Also, I wasnt arguing that the Israelites were white, I was arguing that they were "arabs" meaning that they shared the genetic makeup of people from that area. You might classify them as "white" because your binary brain can't compute more than two options. I read enough to realise that black and white are actuall misleading and unhelpful terms, useful only in discussions where the semantics and the issues surrounding percieved "blackness" or "whiteness" are to be found. To paraphrase that, there is a massive difference between a Papua New Guinean Highlander, an Mbuti from central Africa and an African-American in New York. Equally, an Albanian, an Englishman and a Spaniard are very different. All the groups discussed are very different from each other, and are very different from the "opposite" groups. In other words, a culture is a culture. A race is some made up unhelpful bullshit.

And by the way, "blacking" or "whiting" Jesus doesn't help anyone's cause. Not that I believe in it, but if I did, it would make more sense for Jesus to be the opposite colour from whatever "you" are because race is such a divisive issue and Jesus was preaching forgiveness and unity.....

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113. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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How can you promote such foolishness without doing any history or studies on this man? Really. This is taught by White Jews who said Ham was cursed and he was black and that is why the black race is cursed. They used this BULLSHIT to justify slavery, cause mad WHITE JEWS financed the slave trades. I'm not pointing them out... cause mad BLACK AFRICANS helped sell their own people so... but still.. this is foolish. Cause Moses or Musa was a black man. His wives were black... as was his predecessor Abraham/Ibrahim.
Peace.

  

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129. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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>How can you promote such foolishness without doing any
>history or studies on this man? Really. This is taught by
>White Jews who said Ham was cursed and he was black and that
>is why the black race is cursed. They used this BULLSHIT to
>justify slavery, cause mad WHITE JEWS financed the slave
>trades. I'm not pointing them out... cause mad BLACK AFRICANS
>helped sell their own people so... but still.. this is
>foolish. Cause Moses or Musa was a black man. His wives were
>black... as was his predecessor Abraham/Ibrahim.
>Peace.


White Jews financed the slave trade??.. can you please just provide 1 link... and I mean I will let you get by with some bullshit internet link on this... but provide one link that it was white jews who financed the slave trade...


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133. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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I said they helped finance the slave trade... yes... that is common knowledge you don't need a link for that. I mean what I find funny is the people arguing don't know a damn thing about what they arguing about...
the Bible - they never read it... going on hear say
the slave trade - they watched roots.
jews - want me to believe they are a race of people...
hahaha... ya'll are some funny underread cats.

  

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138. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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Scared Bitch? First off, I don't jump when you say jump...
and just cause your dumb, don't blame everyone else. Try reading... maybe it will improve your manners as well.
Last, don't get mad... I understand being lesser than can be a huge blow to your self esteem... try running... or maybe working out... or reach out to some friends for help. Either way... your shit is all lies. Ha!

  

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139. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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>Scared Bitch? First off, I don't jump when you say jump...

When I say something I expect to be asked to defend it... why? Because I have nothing to hide. If its indefensible, its indefensible... but usually I keep my opinions and knowledge to things that can and have been proven.

There ain't shit up my sleves.

You?

You're the intellectual equivalent of a three card monte' player. A sham.

>Try reading... maybe it will improve your manners as well.

Read? You mean maybe read about where Leonard Jeffries spouted off the same stupid shit you did... and was proven wrong? You mean where everyones favorite Minister of Disinformation and Anti-Jewishness Louis Eugene Walcott (nee: Farrakhan) spewed the same shit you did, and was as well proven wrong? You mean read that?

Holy shit? Does that mean this white boy knows what he's talking about?

Oh it does. It does.

Your, Walcott's and Jeffries comments are the grandiose hyperbole of people trying to rationalize an irrational hatred and fear. Because if you would know what you are talking about you'd know that in South and Central America and in the Carribean the Jews were an after thought in the slave trade after 1700 because in the early 1600's the persecution of Jews in the Netherlands and the reoccupation of Brazil by the Portugese kicked the Jews out of any position they had as plantation owners and traders.

And if you had read anything you'd know that there were well known Jewish plantation owners and traders in America, namely Aaron Lopez of Newport RI (home to the oldest synagogue in America), but that to say they financed the slave trade is a bunch of bullshit spread by people who can't defend their own irrational hatred and fears. Gentiles financed the slave trade.

And I have no reason to show manners to an intellectual charlatan. I have no reason to show manners to someone who obviously is a cliched example of all the things that are wrong in race relations. I don't have to show manners to someone who clearly isn't on the same intellectual level as kid in 9th grade social studies.

>Last, don't get mad... I understand being lesser than can be a
>huge blow to your self esteem... try running... or maybe
>working out... or reach out to some friends for help. Either
>way... your shit is all lies. Ha!


Really? If my shit is all lies, then how come you haven't responded to me (post 49 if I remember correctly) hmm? You've got quite the mouth except when someone who knows what they are talkin g about smacks the taste out of it...

You are a joke, you aren't intelligent enough (or man enough) to back up what you say, and you aren't intelligent enough (or man enough ) to admit when you have been owned.

You're over child...

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141. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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..yeah but if your supposed to be the intellectual superior don't you think it tarnishes whatever moral highground your trying to take but ridiculling somebody? and you obviously know a lot of history fair enough, i don't want to get into the argument, but if you asked me about the Jewish people i would say having a rough ride in history does not give you the right to a, maintain your martyr status given your position in both America and the middle east, and on one hand claim reparation payments for the holocaust (a sum of billions claimed from the germans in compensation for slave labour, some 700,000 survivors, i thought you all got gassed?) whilst commiting genocide on the palestinians. don't get me wrong i'm not anti-semitic, i just hate hypocrisy.

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142. "RE: I dont know i f he was or not"
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>..yeah but if your supposed to be the intellectual superior
>don't you think it tarnishes whatever moral highground your
>trying to take but ridiculling somebody? and you obviously
>know a lot of history fair enough, i don't want to get into
>the argument, but if you asked me about the Jewish people i
>would say having a rough ride in history does not give you the
>right to a, maintain your martyr status given your position in
>both America and the middle east, and on one hand claim
>reparation payments for the holocaust (a sum of billions
>claimed from the germans in compensation for slave labour,
>some 700,000 survivors, i thought you all got gassed?) whilst
>commiting genocide on the palestinians. don't get me wrong i'm
>not anti-semitic, i just hate hypocrisy.

I think we are talking about apples and oranges... or at least you are talking about things I'm not.

I'm not saying that what the Israeli's have done to the Palestinians is right. I'm not saying that Jews being shat on throughout history excuses anything...

I'm just saying that our little intellectual pop-tart buddy Watergirls Angggrrr is simply enough wrong when he says that 'Jews financed the slave trade'. There is historical record to prove him wrong, much like there is historical record to prove that the people of Palestine at 0AD resembled what we would call Arabs.

He's a sham.

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143. "o.k."
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..if you want to blame anybody for the slave trade it was the British right?, who give's a monkeys who put the money in? the Jewish people have/had been running finances in Europe for years since they were the only people smart enough to do it. It also explains, but never excuses, the hatred in Europe for jews, by mainly uneducated workers and or peasants, the same disenfranchised people who's position in the world has never really changed (and the same people who would have attracted to the nazi party, follow the drrrift here, its not complicated). No matter how you cut it, european christians can be really bad motherfuckers..who else on this planet would drop two atom bombs on the japanese but a white anglo saxon protestant?

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144. "again with the Hiroshima stuff?"
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>complicated). No matter how you cut it, european christians
>can be really bad motherfuckers..who else on this planet would
>drop two atom bombs on the japanese but a white anglo saxon
>protestant?

If the Chinese had the atom bomb at the time they've done it in a heartbeat. Not to mention that if the Japanese had the means to do so they'd have nuked our asses too.

Why does this always come up in the most random-ass discussions though?

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145. "RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?"
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>Why does this always come up in the most random-ass
>discussions though?

I was just going to let it slide and accept my ideological victory.

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146. "RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?"
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..why? it's the moments where we entered into this age we're living in...as for whether the Japanese or the Chinese would have nuked the States, well maybe or maybe not, i was just trying to make a point about the people who run things. I mean how many people would make that descision to obliterate hundreds of thousands of people and doom generations to all kinds of genetic disorders and illnesses? Is that something that is inherently the worst, cold blooded aspects of human nature? or something altogether more alien?

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148. "how is that so much worse than all the other shit that happened in WWII?"
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I mean, over 50 million people around the world were killed , yet you all get stuck on Hiroshima and Nagasaki like it's somehow more inherently evil.

And I still don't understand how Hiroshima pops up in a debate about Jesus being black.

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150. "RE: how is that so much worse than all the other shit that happened in W..."
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..well i asked the question why people were so concerned about whetehr jesus was black or not and it kind of went from there. And I didn't say that all the other atrocities that were commited were any worse than tha atom bomb, or any better, it was a world war and that was how it ended. Just thinking mate, but don't you think there's other things to discuss than Jesus?

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152. "RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?"
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At first I didn't know where you were going... but I see your point...
and true... I have thought that myself... how alien is this?

  

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156. "RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?"
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..or turn it on it's head, how natural is this situation? when you consider that man is primarily a social animal who thrives on social contact with other humans.

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158. "RE: again with the Hiroshima stuff?"
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that's true.
it's like a lower grade mentality... almost a animal instinct.

  

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160. "Thinking?"
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..couple of aspects to that. One is the way it effects the way people think, group thoughts, i mean it's difficult to find spaces to have individual thoughts. The other is the seduction of this technology...you can exchange views and information with people have way round the world but how often does that happen in the physical world?

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147. "The reason why jews ran finance in Europe is a matter of"
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Relgious history. Since many of the trades where under patron "Gods" and Jews were not buying into pagan faiths, they were locked out of many trades.

This left them few choices, one being "Banking".

In many ways this led to hatred and resentment as folk hate bankers (I can attest)...but don't hate the playa, don't even hate the managment.

Hate the GAME.

Now, as far as the folk who had more direct influence like folk who didnt just default on, but OWNED slave auction houses and the like?

Them's some snakes.


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154. "RE: The reason why jews ran finance in Europe is a matter of"
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While I agree... I disagree... Jews participated in many illegal trades... slavery and the mafia being two of them...
however my mission here isn't to discredit them as a people...
but to remove the cloud of bs...

  

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162. "RE: The reason why jews ran finance in Europe is a matter of"
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>While I agree... I disagree... Jews participated in many
>illegal trades... slavery and the mafia being two of them...

Bullshit!

I've called you out twice now. 139, and 49... and you clam up. So whats up with that waterboy? Where's your wrath when people know what they are talking about?

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170. "You have NEVER called me out... hahaha..."
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Sun your a joke. You wait for my comments then you criticize them... how about bringing something to the table...

Illegal Alcohol... Jews got down with that...
the mafia... who do you think kept the books
slavery... jews had slave posts and financed much of it...
the illegale slave labor of diamond mines (current)... I guess you'll deny this too... cause they are God's children? hahaha... that's too funny for me to even get out.

  

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177. "RE: You have NEVER called me out... hahaha..."
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>Sun your a joke. You wait for my comments then you criticize
>them... how about bringing something to the table...
>
>Illegal Alcohol... Jews got down with that...
>the mafia... who do you think kept the books
>slavery... jews had slave posts and financed much of it...
>the illegale slave labor of diamond mines (current)... I guess
>you'll deny this too... cause they are God's children?
>hahaha... that's too funny for me to even get out.

I haven't ever denied it. You've just lied and put words into my mouth. I said very specifically that Jews didn't "finance the slave trade". But you keep lying about it. I pointed out the failure in logic of you saying 'Well... haille sellasie said he was descendant from Solomon, so that must make Jesus black' (as though it isn't fucking blindingly obvious to begin with) and your response...

Silence.

I can seem to make you shut up pretty regularly child.

Maybe you should try that more often.

Wait... haven't we had this discussion before?

I think so.

Be a good little boy and shut your mouth while grown ups talk.

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165. "Hold up"
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>know a lot of history fair enough, i don't want to get into
>the argument, but if you asked me about the Jewish people i
>would say having a rough ride in history does not give you the
>right to a, maintain your martyr status given your position in
>both America and the middle east,

So hold on, once they get succesful, they are told that they are taking the world over, but they cant talk about the awful shit that happened to them for 5000 years? And by the way, there are still poor, powerless jews in the world...

and on one hand claim
>reparation payments for the holocaust (a sum of billions
>claimed from the germans in compensation for slave labour,
>some 700,000 survivors, i thought you all got gassed?) whilst
>commiting genocide on the palestinians.

A lot of that was for insurance claims, which were paid for in advance and stolen... Besides, are you honestly saying that those people shouldnt get reperations? And as for the number of survivors (and it sounds to me like you are questioning the number of people who were murdered), well there is a lot of mess left when you try and wipe out a whole race...

Also, if the Israelis (who are the people who live in Israel who have a conflict with the Palestinians) are commiting genocide, then you have a pretty loose definition of genocide...

don't get me wrong i'm
>not anti-semitic, i just hate hypocrisy.

And a lot of your best friends are Jewish?

I cant work out whether I am paranoid, or whether quite a few people on here have some fucked up beliefs about Jews...

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166. "RE: Hold up"
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...well i don't really have any friends so that kind of quashes that matter. All i was trying to say was i just find it a little off to have a position in the world yet still stick to your guns that you were the only people in the world that were ever oppressed. How many marxists, gypsys homosexuals and retards got killed in concentration camps? and as for reparations, well fair enough but if it was me i think it says more about the world we live in when horrific events are used to generate capital. The same could be said about the clamour for compensation after the terrorist attack on the world trade centre. How much is a life worth, can you really put a price on somebody's loss?

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172. "RE: Hold up"
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Precisely...
ever group of people have had a holocaust...
the jewish holocaust... actually pales in comparison to the current death rate per day in Africa as we speak...
so...
but you see, they want to be the victim, God's children, the victor (reperations), the owners, and the judge.
Crazy. I don't see humility in this at all. Just me.

  

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186. "RE: Hold up"
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>Precisely...
>ever group of people have had a holocaust...

White anglo saxon protestants?

>the jewish holocaust... actually pales in comparison to the
>current death rate per day in Africa as we speak...
>so...

Really? According to whose figures? And how are you comparing a multi-causal series of events impacting a whole continent to a focused attack globally on one group of people?

>but you see, they want to be the victim, God's children, the
>victor (reperations), the owners, and the judge.
>Crazy. I don't see humility in this at all. Just me.
>

We want to be victims, and yet, when we want to be victors, we are evil venal money grabbing, baby eating murderers, is that it?

Do black people also want to be victims then, is that why they are treated badly?

Dont even bring humility into it, you dont understand the meaning of the word.

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190. "RE: Hold up"
In response to Reply # 186


          

..the white anglo saxon holocaust? two world wars and over 50 million dead? or do those loses not count because they were mainly workers who had little choice whether to pick up a rifle or not?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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205. "Seriously?"
In response to Reply # 190


  

          

>..the white anglo saxon holocaust? two world wars and over 50
>million dead? or do those loses not count because they were
>mainly workers who had little choice whether to pick up a
>rifle or not?

Those people had guns mate.

And more to the point, thier leaders started those wars, or at least agreed to go into them. Jewish leaders didnt agree to be involved in the holocaust.

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207. "RE: Seriously?"
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..yeah but the way you put you'd think they had a choice as well. never heard of consciencious objectors? wisnae really many but i'm no getting into this argument, it's a waste of time, as i said elsewhere in this thread.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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210. "RE: Seriously?"
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...ah bollocks. it's a class issue. that's what i'm saying, whether you were a commie or a fascist, the 30's and 40's were a revolutionary period where all the tensions, political, economic, and religious reached a boiling point...the tipping point, the right won, and the world was changed for ever. If the only thing you learned from WW2 and the holocaust is that tolerance is in short supply when you havn't got shit then perhaps it would be better if we didn't go any further. But then again it's maybe double standards if you ask the world to understand your own plight and troubles without even trying to understand the root causes of such a terrible event in history.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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212. "RE: Seriously?"
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..yeah but fuck it eh, maybe i'm just a gentile. i mean what difference would what i think matter compared to your intellect? basically what i'm saying is i refuse to be labbelled anti-semitic because i dare to question your attitudes and entrenched views of the world.

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221. "Come along"
In response to Reply # 210


  

          

But
>then again it's maybe double standards if you ask the world to
>understand your own plight and troubles without even trying to
>understand the root causes of such a terrible event in
>history.

For sure, but my point was, white anglo saxons were the root cause, Jews had very little/nothing to do with it, Jews got battered. Without guns.

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223. "RE: Come along"
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..yeah but why did they do it? is it because white anglo saxons are inherently evil? or is it because their leaders manipulated the resentment already present because they perceived the jews as having an unbalanced influence upon the economy? now whether that is true or not, i also find it hard to believe that every German would condone the extermination of the jews. as far as i can gather the main heartlands of National Socialism were the south. Berlin or the more cosmopolitan areas of Germany were never fanatical supporters of Hitler. What would you call me if i called every Jew a supporter of Arial Sharon? anti-semitic? so what can i call you?

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236. "RE: Come along"
In response to Reply # 223


  

          

>..yeah but why did they do it? is it because white anglo
>saxons are inherently evil? or is it because their leaders
>manipulated the resentment already present because they
>perceived the jews as having an unbalanced influence upon the
>economy? now whether that is true or not, i also find it hard
>to believe that every German would condone the extermination
>of the jews.

Most of what you say here is true. And not every German condoned the extrermination of the jews. But how does this relate to the conversation?

What would you call me if i called every Jew a
>supporter of Arial Sharon? anti-semitic?

No, I would call you wrong.

so what can i call
>you?

Whatever you like. Try Jake.

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231. "RE: Seriously?"
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Exactly. He is not tolerant of anyone's culture beyond hiphop...
neo liberalism.

  

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232. "RE: Seriously?"
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..yeah but whats the fascination with hip hop? from my understanding surely its a bit hypocritical given the cultures and people who have invested the most in developing hip hop.

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234. "RE: Seriously?"
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Pretty much...
although hiphop was started by blacks and puerto ricans... whites participated as well... not on the same number as the others... but there were white contributers who made a huge difference...
hiphop is like religion... it's a offering... an escape... of course they will follow.

  

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185. "RE: Hold up"
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>...well i don't really have any friends so that kind of
>quashes that matter. All i was trying to say was i just find
>it a little off to have a position in the world yet still
>stick to your guns that you were the only people in the world
>that were ever oppressed.

I missed where I or any Jew said that. Run it back to me?

How many marxists, gypsys
>homosexuals and retards got killed in concentration camps?

Do you actually want to know, or are you asking to prove a point?

and
>as for reparations, well fair enough but if it was me i think
>it says more about the world we live in when horrific events
>are used to generate capital.

This situation, is insurance companies who have had that money for fifty years no paying out on thier policies. Insurance works on making money from horrific events. People have it so that, in those events they dont lose everything...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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191. "RE: Hold up"
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..right, you don't have to patronise me, obviously you do think compensation is neccessary.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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192. "RE: Hold up"
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..we'll just have to put this down as a difference of opinion, but i'm with aquaman, i'm kind of tired of hearing the self-righteous bullshit. it seems to be the only political question that the jewish community ever raises. i wasn't there. i could do nothing about it. even if i was there i could do nothing about it. the germans have apologised. The holocaust was a horrendous event brought about by economic inequalities and bigoted and racist policies on the part of the Nazi party in Germany 50 years ago. o.k. we understand all of this. would you like to add anything?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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198. "RE: Hold up"
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hahaha... word. Cause when you look at the holocaust of
the Africans
the Black Africans of America
the Indians
the Aborigini holocaust
I mean... we could go on and on...
they are by far not the only people on this earth who have suffered... why should I feel anymore sorry for them than the next man? Talk about whining... blacks never got reperations for slavery and they built this country and are reminded of this everyday they live here...
the constitution was never changed to reflect their freedom...
they are at the bottom of the economic chain in America...
they fill up the prisons...
those who killed them, unlike with the Jews, were NEVER brought to justice
many of the popular coporations in existance started with slave money..
and the Jews participated heavily in the African slave trade as well... amazing.

  

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208. "RE: Hold up"
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>they are by far not the only people on this earth who have
>suffered...

Sorry, where did I say that?

why should I feel anymore sorry for them than the
>next man? Talk about whining... blacks never got reperations
>for slavery and they built this country and are reminded of
>this everyday they live here...
>the constitution was never changed to reflect their freedom...

Im not putting these things on a level of nastiness or importance, Im saying its all pretty bad.

>they are at the bottom of the economic chain in America...
>they fill up the prisons...
>those who killed them, unlike with the Jews, were NEVER
>brought to justice
>many of the popular coporations in existance started with
>slave money..

Hold on, most of the people who actually did the killing were never brought to justice. Hardly any of the people involved actually were. Joseph Mengele only died relatively recently in South America..

>and the Jews participated heavily in the African slave trade
>as well... amazing.

You keep saying this, but you have yet to produce any proof. And I think you even admitted that just about everyone who was touched by the slave trade actively participated in it....

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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206. "Yup"
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it seems to be the only political
>question that the jewish community ever raises.

Do you even read the news?

i wasn't
>there. i could do nothing about it. even if i was there i
>could do nothing about it. the germans have apologised. The
>holocaust was a horrendous event brought about by economic
>inequalities and bigoted and racist policies on the part of
>the Nazi party in Germany 50 years ago. o.k. we understand all
>of this. would you like to add anything?

Those people are still alive (some of them) as are the perpetrators of those crimes who were never punished. Now reperations arent the be all and end all of my life. They barely enter into it. But a resurgence in anti-semitism does directly impact upon me. And somehow justifying it or brushing it under the carpet makes me feel nervous..

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211. "No"
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..see there you go. it's like talking to a 5 year old. If i don't kiss your arse and start grovelling i'm anti-semitic. no point in having the conversation and if you'd like some cynical reasons perhaps it garners israel's causes to much sympathy to ladel the rest of the world with the collective guilt of the genocide of the jews. but as the aquaman said what about Africa..oh it's all bad? is that it? perhaps your too comfortable in the first place to do anything about it, which has some echo's with the way the British Establishment probably felt things when they heard about the concentration camps...too bad. and these ain't my opinions. i actually try and see things from a different point of view before i start shooting my mouth of.

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222. "Paranoid much?"
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>..see there you go. it's like talking to a 5 year old. If i
>don't kiss your arse and start grovelling i'm anti-semitic.

Where did I say that? Still, if the cap fits.....

no
>point in having the conversation and if you'd like some
>cynical reasons perhaps it garners israel's causes to much
>sympathy to ladel the rest of the world with the collective
>guilt of the genocide of the jews.

You arent even trying to make sense here.

but as the aquaman said
>what about Africa..oh it's all bad? is that it?

No, plenty of people have been African, but if Jesus existed, he probably wasn't black...

. and these ain't my opinions. i actually try
>and see things from a different point of view before i start
>shooting my mouth of.

Doesnt look like it...

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225. "...grow up."
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..no. your only proving the point. you refuse to move from your position, so there is no room for maneuver. and don't talk to me about paranoia.

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226. "Sympathy for the Old Boys Club"
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..not even trying to make sense. o.k. consider a militant Jewish, hardcore right wing dictatorship pandering to the American middle classes for support in its campaign in genocide upon the Palestinians. your right for a homeland is based upon the holocaust. that is the political leverage that has been used since after the war to create support in the west for the creation of Israel, exploiting the collective guilt of European states. correct me if i'm wrong.

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227. "RE: Sympathy for the Old Boys Club"
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exactly. Imagine if Liberia got the support that Israel received...
Israel is just another country.... there is nothing special about it that it deserves the attention it gets... but you see that's what money brings you. I always try to remember "God's Children" when I'm walking through the Diamond district. Doesn't make the holocaust right, cause it was horrible... a tragic place in the world... however, wasn't the African slave trade even worst? Nagasaki and Hiroshima? The AIDS Epidemics in Africa? THe hunger in Africa? Hell the AIDS epidemic in Asia? These things need equal if not more attention... and for America to consistantly unconditionally support Israel... it's ridiculous. However if another country did the same for Palestine they are harboring terrorists? A racist double standard.

  

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241. "????"
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>Israel is just another country.... there is nothing special
>about it that it deserves the attention it gets...

It gets a lot of attention because its enemies want it too. It gets "aid" for pragmatic political and economic reasons...


>Doesn't make the holocaust right, cause it was horrible... a
>tragic place in the world... however, wasn't the African slave
>trade even worst? Nagasaki and Hiroshima?

How are you putting these things on a scale? How are you quantifying human suffering?

The AIDS Epidemics
>in Africa? THe hunger in Africa? Hell the AIDS epidemic in
>Asia?

And globally. That hasnt been proved to be linked to deliberate malicious intent? How is that the same as any of the above examples?

These things need equal if not more attention... and
>for America to consistantly unconditionally support Israel...
>it's ridiculous. However if another country did the same for
>Palestine they are harboring terrorists? A racist double
>standard.

Surely not. You just plain dont know what you are talking about. A lot of places give Palestine aid and support....

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237. "You are wrong."
In response to Reply # 226


  

          

>..not even trying to make sense. o.k. consider a militant
>Jewish, hardcore right wing dictatorship pandering to the
>American middle classes for support in its campaign in
>genocide upon the Palestinians.

Thats a somewhat unbalanced viewpoint about a complex situation. You must have a loose definition of the word genocide...

But anyway, thats a group of people you are describing. One that I am not a member of. How does it relate to me personally, or did you respond to the wrong post?

your right for a homeland is
>based upon the holocaust.

The zionist movement started long before WW2.

that is the political leverage that
>has been used since after the war to create support in the
>west for the creation of Israel, exploiting the collective
>guilt of European states. correct me if i'm wrong.

And yes you are wrong. The collective guilt for atrocities against the jews for the past 500+ years in Europe was one majort reason for supporting the zionist cause. However, pramatists would say Europe was just happy to have a reliable foothold in the region..

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242. "RE: You are wrong."
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..alright i'm quite happy to be proved wrong.

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246. "RE: You are wrong."
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what does genocide have to do with the Palestinians... especially considering they lived their first... please fill me in?

  

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248. "RE: You are wrong."
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..no what it is i used the word genocide. how about the enforced transferal of human resources with unwarented and unplanned colatoral damage.

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266. "I would agree with that"
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Its pretty different from the deliberate murder of an ethnic group...

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268. "RE: I would agree with that"
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..yeah but that's only because the arab states outnumber you.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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281. "If the Israelis wanted to they could..."
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Look at previous wars with those nations. The surrounding states got wise relatively fast...

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286. "RE: If the Israelis wanted to they could..."
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..what does that mean?

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288. "Meaning"
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if they wanted to commit genocide against either the Palestinians or surrounding nations, they could pretty easily...

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289. "RE: Meaning"
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..you seem kinda proud of yourself. can i just ask what your view is of the situation in Palestine..do you think the Israli Authority is justified in whatever action it's taking to quell the suicide bombers and limit the Terrorist Groups?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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292. "RE: Meaning"
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>..you seem kinda proud of yourself.

Not proud, just honest about the situation/

can i just ask what your
>view is of the situation in Palestine..do you think the Israli
>Authority is justified in whatever action it's taking to quell
>the suicide bombers and limit the Terrorist Groups?

My views on this are pretty complex, conflicting and frankly boring.

Have a look on the back pages.

Basically I think that both sides are wrong, but I wont get drawn into an Israeli political discussion here. I did it too many times before...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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294. "RE: Meaning"
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..arrogant son of a bitch. i wouldnt have asked if i didnt want to know. i dont care how "boring" they are. c'mon let me know where you stand.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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329. "Look on the back pages"
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there is bound to be one of the interminable arguments I had about this.

And what makes you think that when you say "jump" I say "How high?"

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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271. "RE: I would agree with that"
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Uh... this has happened over and over again in history.
You would argue, 'the deliberate murder of a ethnic group'... then I could say well... did they take trips to your country to catch you... then bring you back to this country for hundreds, mind you HUNDREDS of years... that's with Africa...
did they come to your country and chop you up with machete's as in the Aborigines?
My point... most people have a tragic situation... but out of respect for their ancestors they aren't exploited... look kids... new holocaust cups from Burger King!
I mean c'mon...
I'll try and remember the victimizing when I'm walking through the Diamond District.
I guess you don't want to own up to the fact that the 'children of God' have been exploiting labor through working kids in Sierra Leone until they drop...or lose a limb due to land mines... mud snakes... and just overall poor working conditions... but hey... who cares right?
What about us... we died in 45!

  

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282. "Offensive much?"
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>Uh... this has happened over and over again in history.
>You would argue, 'the deliberate murder of a ethnic group'...
>then I could say well... did they take trips to your country
>to catch you... then bring you back to this country for
>hundreds, mind you HUNDREDS of years... that's with Africa...

Clearly they werent taken to the states. They were removed from their own country to be enslaved and then murdered though. And if you think Jews havent been persecuted for thousands of years you clearly havent read anything ont he subject.


>did they come to your country and chop you up with machete's
>as in the Aborigines?

We didnt have a country because of the invasions and persecutions we faced...

>My point... most people have a tragic situation... but out of
>respect for their ancestors they aren't exploited... look
>kids... new holocaust cups from Burger King!

Here is the offensive bit. In a post where you exploit your peoples history to prove a point you object to Jewish exploitation of their history? Are you serious?

>I mean c'mon...
>I'll try and remember the victimizing when I'm walking through
>the Diamond District.

Thats like saying walking through a violent "ghetto" makes me forget slavery. Most Jews dont sell diamonds, most black people aren't violent gangsters.

>I guess you don't want to own up to the fact that the
>'children of God' have been exploiting labor through working
>kids in Sierra Leone until they drop...

Proof? Are you telling me Black people don't/haven't done this?

or lose a limb due to
>land mines...

Laid by black people in Sierra Leone?

mud snakes...

Are you calling Jews mud snakes? Or are you blaming mud snake bites on Jews? Either way you are a fool.

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287. "RE: Offensive much?"
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...yeah but you won't even concede that the Jewish lobby has an undue influence on American Politics.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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290. "Undue?"
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No I wont. If you work hard for something, then you deserve the rewards. There is no conspiracy, they are open that they are working hard for power and money.

This is like the "Jews run Hollywood" discussion...

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291. "RE: Undue?"
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..o.k. so don't equate it with Black Power ya hypocrit. and don't be surprised when people hate you.

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293. "Point out where I did that?"
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Anywhere?


>..o.k. so don't equate it with Black Power ya hypocrit. and
>don't be surprised when people hate you.

That isnt how you spell hypocrite. And If you think I give a fuck when people like Aquaman hate me, you are sorely mistaken. It makes me proud in fact.

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296. "hate"
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..of course you enjoy being hated, becauses it affirms your position as god's children. it doesn't change the fact of your unbearable arrogance...(did i spell that right). Seriously you should listen to yourself once in a while.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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298. "Surely not"
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>..of course you enjoy being hated, becauses it affirms your
>position as god's children.

So suddenly, this is no longer a personal thing about why people hate me, people hate the whole jewish race because of my posts?

You think that suffering makes people think they are Gods children? You are wrong (again) the Torah does. So if you then choose to believe the Torah/Old Testament and dont like what it says, tough. Make up your own holy book since they are all bullshit anyway.

it doesn't change the fact of your
>unbearable arrogance...(did i spell that right). Seriously you
>should listen to yourself once in a while.

It would be hard not to look arrogant next to you. Its like an adult talking to a new born baby. I am stringing sentances together, making sense, trying to say stuff, but it isnt even sinking into the babies head for another five years.

You want me to be more humble, how about reading what I write, and then making salient well thought out points. Then we can have what is known as a conversation....

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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300. "fuck it"
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..fuck you. simple enough?. i hear you loud and clear, i listened to all of your points but the fact of the matter is you'll evade any questions that might compromise your holier than though attitude and condescend anybody who disnae agree with you. who's the big kid?

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302. "Apologies"
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If you feel bad. But you haven't actually responded to any of my points.

You have also failed to make a single coherent argument.

I dont know how to react when I am hit with that....


>..fuck you. simple enough?. i hear you loud and clear, i
>listened to all of your points but the fact of the matter is
>you'll evade any questions that might compromise your holier
>than though attitude and condescend anybody who disnae agree
>with you. who's the big kid?

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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304. "RE: Apologies"
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..no i don't feel bad. if you find me incoherent then i guess we have a breakdown in communications.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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171. "RE: Hold up"
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Sun, the modern jews are not the same people from 5000 years ago...
talk about bullshit.
They are converts.

  

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181. "RE: Hold up"
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>Sun, the modern jews are not the same people from 5000 years
>ago...
>talk about bullshit.
>They are converts.

News Flash: The Sect of Islam you perport to follow isn't the same Islam advocated by the Prophet. You're not a convert, your a destroyer of a peaceful religion bastardizing into a movement to support violence, and hatred based on skin color.

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493. "so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?"
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your words..."Thats funny... because I'm Jewish by heritage... and I am so white I glow in the fucking dark. I'm so white I thought 'Lucas with the lid of" was the jam of the century (still do personally)."

Did they also have blue eyes, blonde straight hair and glow in the dark 5000 yrs ago pre Euro migration?

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502. "RE: so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?"
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>your words..."Thats funny... because I'm Jewish by
>heritage... and I am so white I glow in the fucking dark. I'm
>so white I thought 'Lucas with the lid of" was the jam of the
>century (still do personally)."
>
>Did they also have blue eyes, blonde straight hair and glow in
>the dark 5000 yrs ago pre Euro migration?
>
>


Let me go and check.

Nope. Don't think I ever said Jews 2000 years ago looked like me.

Good try! Bad execution!

Next.

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511. "RE: so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?"
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this is ridiculous...
on the real...
the first jews were black...
Europeans came into the picture after converting...
now they claim they are the original... although they are not...
sorta how when you go to see a jazz band... they are all white?
or when you go to see a breakdancing crew... yup you guessed it all white... however when cats were actually creating the culture and going thru the struggle... they were nowhere to be found...
modern day jewish struggle at plaque giving ceremonies...
and this isn't a slant... I love all people... jewish people are no different... however... just like I love all people.. I'm critical as well... and they have fouled out on a number of things... just like other people... notice I didn't say, races.

  

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535. "RE: so Jews of 5000 yrs ago looked like you?"
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>this is ridiculous...
>on the real...
>the first jews were black...

I smacked you so hard in the mouth that you were silenced on post #49.

I tied your tounge on post 436.

I kicked your teeth in on post #139.

Do I have to do it again? Do I have to keep exposing you for the charlatan you are?

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529. "Never said you did...however, I asked you a question"
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apparently you don't have a straight forward answer.

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536. "RE: Never said you did...however, I asked you a question"
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>apparently you don't have a straight forward answer.

Okay... so lemme get this straight.

I never said that Jews of 5000 years ago looked like my lilly white ass.

I never made any statement to imply that Jews of 5000 years ago had my pasty white complexion.

You just want my opinion on whether or not Jews of 5000 years ago looked like me?

No. I don't think they looked like me.

Did you expect me to say anything different? Why did you take time out of your day to ask this awfully obvious question?

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538. "Why did it take you so long to answer"
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a simple yes or no would have done just fin

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539. "RE: Why did it take you so long to answer"
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>a simple yes or no would have done just fin

Because I have a social life?

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544. "ha riiight"
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thats why you responded with paragraphs instead of a simple yes or no?

what a life

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545. "RE: ha riiight"
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>thats why you responded with paragraphs instead of a simple
>yes or no?
>
>what a life

you must be from one of those special schools.

Okay boys and girls, the first person to identify a paragraph in the post he was talking about gets an extra recess period.

There wasn't a single paragraph in there holmes.

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546. "RE: ha riiight"
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simple yes or no...dude already said no, so end of discussion.

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164. "Proof?"
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For any of this?

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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167. "RE: Proof?"
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>For any of this?

There isn't. I know the guy he's aping off of, and he was proven wrong too.

Watergirl is just to chicken shit to respond when he realizes his goose is cooked.

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168. "proof?"
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..well gies a banana then.

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173. "RE: Proof?"
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Your so corny it's unreal... 'watergirl'?
See this trivializes the entire conversation...
all you have done is said "no"... you haven't offered ANYTHING to back your claims... please man... this is for grownups... not just to spew names and say "no that's not it!"
hahahaha...
the first jews (the ones you read about in your ancient books) were black... now let the racist rant about how that is impossible.
That's right... your people are worshipping black folks. HA!

  

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180. "RE: Proof?"
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>Your so corny it's unreal... 'watergirl'?
>See this trivializes the entire conversation...
>all you have done is said "no"... you haven't offered ANYTHING
>to back your claims... please man... this is for grownups...
>not just to spew names and say "no that's not it!"
>hahahaha...
>the first jews (the ones you read about in your ancient books)
>were black... now let the racist rant about how that is
>impossible.
>That's right... your people are worshipping black folks. HA!


I don't have any problem worshiping black folks, I just have a problem with historical lies. You can't prove that Haillie Sellasie was descendent from Solomon. You havent' proven that Solomon was born in ethiopia. You haven't proven that Jesus was descendent of the Queen of Sheeba (the only possibility that would give Jesus any 'blackness' unless of course we are talking about his mannerisms.... hahahaha). You can't prove that Jews financed the slave trade. You cant prove that Jews were descendent from blacks any more than I can't prove that I am descendent from Native Americans (I swear, if Haille Sellasie, fucking murderer that he is gets to claim the bloodline of Christ and dumb motherfuckers believe him because of his skin tone then I expect to get in on some of that casino money from 'being Native American')

You're response for all of these... 'Its common knowledge'... bullshit. It's not.

Your response for these "well thats the way it was".

bullshit.

And Calling you watergirl? Hell man why try to splice hairs, I just call 'em like I see 'em.

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174. "RE: Proof?"
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It's simple.
Location.
Northern Africa and Central Africa.
Ethiopia. David, Soloman.
Um. Last I checked Blacks were living in Ethiopia and whites colonized there... you see? Common. Fucking. Sense. Of course you want cats to think that there were dudes in Africa named Peter... and Paul.
It's kinda funny how uninformed you cats are, but how loud you are... it's like your shouting a dumb point... it's kinda funny actually.
You see your spell that worked before... doesn't work anymore.
You dig. Check some African artwork to find your original source of the star of david and the swastika which actually mean's 'peace'...
but i know how you 'Making the Activist Boards' contestants are... so I won't go too far over your heads.
hahaha...

  

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175. "RE: Proof?"
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>It's simple.
>Location.
>Northern Africa and Central Africa.
>Ethiopia. David, Soloman.
>Um. Last I checked Blacks were living in Ethiopia and whites
>colonized there... you see? Common. Fucking. Sense. Of
>course you want cats to think that there were dudes in Africa
>named Peter... and Paul.
>It's kinda funny how uninformed you cats are, but how loud you
>are... it's like your shouting a dumb point... it's kinda
>funny actually.
>You see your spell that worked before... doesn't work
>anymore.
>You dig. Check some African artwork to find your original
>source of the star of david and the swastika which actually
>mean's 'peace'...
>but i know how you 'Making the Activist Boards' contestants
>are... so I won't go too far over your heads.
>hahaha...

White people colonized the horn before Christ...

Hold the fucking books...

WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

You're a fucking poser. You have continued to ignore where you have been proven wrong, yet you keep saying it. Saying some bullshit over and over again doesn't make it true... it makes you an asshole.

Sean

  

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312. "RE: Proof?"
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Check some African artwork to find your original
>source of the star of david and the swastika which actually
>mean's 'peace'...

the swastikas is mirrored version of the hinduist sun-wheel and so it comes from india, right?

  

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316. "RE: Proof?"
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No Egypt.
Kemites.

  

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320. "RE: Proof?"
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>No Egypt.
>Kemites.

That's proof right there. I mean set that shit in stone. you said it so obviously it has to be proof.

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321. "RE: Proof?"
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Say dumb ass... the swastika originally meant peace...
even Hitler new that.
How do you sleep at night knowing you know nothing?

  

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322. "RE: Proof?"
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Oh and genius... the original Egyptians were black... as well as the Jews... haha... I have to inform you cause I know you only think the greatest accomplishments in the world were done by White folks... when in reality it's the complete opposite. Hahaha...

  

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336. "RE: Proof?"
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>Oh and genius... the original Egyptians were black... as well
>as the Jews... haha... I have to inform you cause I know you
>only think the greatest accomplishments in the world were done
>by White folks... when in reality it's the complete opposite.
>Hahaha...


No bitch. I meant prove that the Swastika came from Egypt. Thats all. Of course you can't so you go off on some fucking ignorant tangent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Look, is it that fucking hard? I just proved that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

You keep trying to call me racist. But you can't. You keep trying to say bullshit, but you can't. I own you child. Just be quiet now when grown ups are talking, or go play with the other children.

Sean

  

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364. "RE: Proof?"
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Your such an idiot...
study your history on Kemite...
the hindus
the Native Americans
the Buddhists... they all used the Swastika long before it was adopted by Hitler... I mean sun do you read at all or does your knowledge come from trailer park/budweiser sit in's? that's the basics.. .and it says volumes about why your logic is the way it is. Here is a suggestion... how about read... something... anything... before you try to debate? thanks. I mean, have a little knowledge before you open your mouth... somthing.

  

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..it was translated as the sun wheel. The Germans "rediscovered" a whole alphabet. I huvnae done the full research but i think they claimed it came from there pagan ancestors as well. a runic alphabet. they made type writers using that one.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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Exactly.

  

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421. "RE: Proof?"
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>Your such an idiot...
>study your history on Kemite...
>the hindus
>the Native Americans
>the Buddhists... they all used the Swastika long before it
>was adopted by Hitler... I mean sun do you read at all or does
>your knowledge come from trailer park/budweiser sit in's?
>that's the basics.. .and it says volumes about why your logic
>is the way it is. Here is a suggestion... how about read...
>something... anything... before you try to debate? thanks. I
>mean, have a little knowledge before you open your mouth...
>somthing.

You are one dumb motherfucker.

I mean it. There ain't no better way I can say it.

This is the exchange we just had.

You: The Swastika was first used by ancient Egyptians.
Me: Bullshit, prove it.
You: It was. Because I say so.
Me: You're wrong, and here is a source. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)
You: Hahaha! Silly cracker, the swastika was used by many people before the Germans.

No duh dipshit. If you could read (which I am really begining to doubt) and you were to click on my link, you would read...

"The swastika appears in art and design from pre-history symbolising, in various contexts: luck, the sun, Brahma, or the Hindu concept of samsara. In antiquity, the swastika was used extensively by Hittitesv Celts and Greeks, among others. It occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures – sometimes as a geometrical motif, sometimes as a religious symbol. Today, the swastika is a common symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, among others.

The ubiquity of the swastika has been explained by three main theories: independent development, cultural diffusion, and external event. The first theory is that the swastika's symmetry and simplicity led to its independent development everywhere, along the lines of Carl Jung's collective unconscious, or just as a very simple symbol.

Another explanation is suggested by Carl Sagan in his book Comet. Sagan reproduces an ancient Chinese manuscript that shows comet tail varieties: most are variations on simple comet tails, but the last shows the comet nucleus with four bent arms extending from it, recalling a swastika. Sagan suggests that in antiquity a comet could have approached so close to Earth that the jets of gas streaming from it, bent by the comet's rotation, became visible, leading to the adoption of the swastika as a symbol across the world.

Theories of single origin as a sacred prehistorical symbol POINT TO THE PROTO-INDO-EUROPEANS, NOTING THAT THE SWASTIKA WAS NOT ADOPTED BY SUMER IN MESOPOTAMIA, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED NO LATER THAN 3500BC, AND THE OLD KINGDOM OF EGYPT, BEGINING IN 2630 BC, ARGUING THAT THESE WERE ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED AND CODIFIED AT THE TIME OF THE SYMBOLS DIFFUSION. As an argument ex silentio, this point has little value as a positive proof.

The swastika symbol is prominent in Hinduism, which is considered the parent religion of Buddhism and Jainism, both dating from about the sixth century BC, and the swastika symbol transferred as well. Buddhism in particular enjoyed great success, spreading eastward and taking hold in southeast Asia, China, Korea and Japan by the end of the first millennium. The use of the swastika by the indigenous Bön faith of Tibet, as well as syncretic religions, such as Cao Dai of Vietnam and Falun Gong of China, is thought to be borrowed from Buddhism as well. Similarly, the existence of the swastika as a solar symbol among the Akan civilization of southwest Africa may have been the result of cultural transfer along the African slave routes around 1500 AD.

The existence of the swastika symbol in the Americas is a clear challenge to the diffusion theory. While some have proposed that the swastika was secretly transferred to North America by an early seafaring civilization on Eurasia, a separate but parallel development of religious symbolism is considered the most likely explanation.

Regardless of origins, the swastika had generally positive connotations from early in human history, with the exceptions being most of Africa and South America."

You can't see the forest for all the trees. Or rather, you can't hear anything because you won't shut the fuck up.

Ignorant motherfucker.

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428. "Yeah I read the ONE website... here's why your a dumbass..."
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you read one damn website... and that's it? That's the word?
hahahahaha... too funny...
Sun, again... trying reading up on Kemite and Ancient Egypt... Ancient Hindu symbols, etc... you'll find that nothing is new under the sun... except you finding new dumbass ways to ask questions and give out misinformation.

  

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436. "RE: Yeah I read the ONE website... here's why your a dumbass..."
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>you read one damn website... and that's it? That's the
>word?
>hahahahaha... too funny...
>Sun, again... trying reading up on Kemite and Ancient Egypt...
>Ancient Hindu symbols, etc... you'll find that nothing is new
>under the sun... except you finding new dumbass ways to ask
>questions and give out misinformation.


You astound me every single fucking day.

Yet another site that says that Kemites didn't come up with the swastika

http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/swastika.html

Another

http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/s/sw/swastika.html

Another

http://www.hostultra.com/~Exidor/Swastika/Swastika.html

Another

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html

Another

http://www.collectorsguide.com/fa/fa086.shtml

Do I need to go on you ignorant #$*@#$? I know where the swastika comes from, and Egypt ain't it.

Bitch.

Sean

  

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327. "please stop talking about Ethiopia"
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I'm don't have the energy to correct your mistaken info on it anymore, so please just stop altogether, it'll be easier for both of us.

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355. "RE: please stop talking about Ethiopia"
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Um, care to bring me up to speed? I'm going to find this mad funny...
you correcting me on Ethiopia... let's see.

  

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seeing as how I'm Ethiopian and all.

Anyway let me bring you up to speed:

- the original Jews were not Ethiopian
- Selassie was not descended from Solomon
- whites did not colonize Ethiopia

anything else you need clarified?

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482. "he was wrong with saying white "jews""
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>>hmmm... you wouldn't be referring to the racist belief of
>the
>>story of Ham would you insanejake?
>
>I referenced it yes. I had never heard of it before it was
>mentioned to me. Now I did some research on it as well. How is
>the story racist (not the meanings attached to it)? Ham wasn't
>cursed for being black, he was cursed for invading his fathers
>privacy... Here is an interesting link:
>
>http://www.scripturessay.com/q304b.html
>
>The author of this maintains that neither Ham nor Canaan were
>black...
>
>>Noah was black so of course all his son's were black...
>
>None of the logic in the above sentance follows, particularly
>in a biblical story which is probably metaphorical anyway....

HOWEVER, the "curse of ham" was used for centuries by christians to justify the state of the black race and african slavery in general.

i just heard a woman quote that nonsense at a discussion forum not too long ago. trust: it was done.

aquaman misstated, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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112. "Besides"
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If you are going to believe made up bullshit, you cant pick and choose...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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114. "RE: Besides"
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So Christ being a black man is made up bullshit? all that shit happened in Africa yet you want me to think that white people hold that divinity and they somehow ended up in Northern Africa? hahaha...
funny stuff. Talk about made up bullshit.. the shit don't even sound correct and your still selling it. Amazing.

  

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>So Christ being a black man is made up bullshit?

Yup, just as much as him being the son of God is.

all that
>shit happened in Africa yet you want me to think that white
>people hold that divinity and they somehow ended up in
>Northern Africa?

It happened in the middle east (Bethlehem is what is now called Israel in case you werent aware). And if you want to call Arabs/middle eastern peoples white, well, why not....

hahaha...
>funny stuff. Talk about made up bullshit.. the shit don't
>even sound correct and your still selling it. Amazing.

Whats amazing is how you make points repeatedly with no evidence at all, and then cry foul when you are repeatedly disproved. Do you always argue like this. Do you have rows with your friends like this?

"Aqua, where were you last night?"

"On the moon, kicking whitey off"

"No you werent, someone saw you at the gay bar last night"

"Thats ridiculous and impossible, and racist"

"Prove you werent then"

"......"

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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199. "You can't be this out of the loop... but since I know you are..."
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Again... it's only been called the middle east as of this century...
it's ALWAYS been northern africa... damn do your history sun..
just try reading first... whites and arabs... hahaha... have you ever heard of Migration... I'll give you an example to explain this to you... if you go to Spokane Washington... there are a ton of white people... everywhere? But hey brightspot... before the Europeans came there was a thriving population and culture of Indians... this was their land... same thing brightspot.

  

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209. "White people called it Asia minor before they called it the middle east"
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>Again... it's only been called the middle east as of this
>century...
>it's ALWAYS been northern africa... damn do your history sun..

Do yours...

>just try reading first... whites and arabs... hahaha... have
>you ever heard of Migration... I'll give you an example to
>explain this to you... if you go to Spokane Washington...
>there are a ton of white people... everywhere? But hey
>brightspot... before the Europeans came there was a thriving
>population and culture of Indians... this was their land...
>same thing brightspot.

Whats your point? That Arabs were once black? How do you explain the fact that most of the Ancient Egyptian art suggests that they look similar to how they do now whilst the Nubians were always black...

How about Berbers, Pre-Arabic North Africans who are white?

So try providing some proof for your spurious claims. I mean if you are going to burble random stuff, at least come up with some dodgy websites like everyone else. I mean I'm not expecting a reputable source or anything....

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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I thought Noah his wife(no plural), 3 sons and there wives (one a piece?) were the only ones on the ark...and er'body else died...right?

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87. "Well if he wasn't african..."
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then he sure took part in Egyptian culture, being that he lived there for years

  

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the same reason Krishina is painted blue when the man was blacker than black.

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lol.

  

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101. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Why does it matter we had a culture once that was not dependent on the mithra/horus/Krishna/Jesus story. It is obvious that artist in europe created an idol that looks like them so that they could feel more at ease with worshiping it thus all the white depictions of Jesus and as they waged wage slaugthered/colonized and conquered others they installed there image of god (old news)but they are not going to change it or own up to anything because some don't know some don't care would you if you were in the drivers seat and your artists painted pictures of the divine in your cultures image. I mean how many times have you known of a race to whorsip a god that they can't tie to themselves in some way unless they were forced to.

  

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102. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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one... black people in america worshipping a white image of christ with homosexual overtones. yeah... one... which is why we most asses it and correct it.

  

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109. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Yes yes yes preaching to the choir reverend but what I am saying is they are not going to change their ideal because it would be dvastating to their own cultural psyche. Do you really think people would ever admit that a diety they consider holy had anything to do with the people they conquered. Outside of holier than thou attitudes like I saved you from your heathen ways they are not going to even look in the direction of such statements even when provided with material. The trick is to get the conquered people to understand that these pictures in their church is the equalvalent of idol worship with man made images representing the divine thus taking away from the over all meaning.

  

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103. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..the reason western/european culture dosnt tell you about these things is because in most cases most people don't know the history of art. or how this is intrinsically connected to christianity. people don't get taught about the political aspects of painting and art.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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104. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Exactly... or how artists in Europe were ordered by the Kings and Queens of the day to do whatever they wanted or die... basically using them as political tools... they do the same thing now with the media... Hitler had pictures of him promoting a free, strong Germany... Bush has picutres of him promoting a free, strong America... and so on.

  

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105. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..exactly the power of images, the most successful form of propaganda because it's impossible to argue with.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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106. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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basically... well said my man...
you should post on here more... you seem to understand how this works well... good look for posting Sun. Peace.

  

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107. "Pictures and Politics"
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...this is the stuff i got my degree so i'll keep my eyes open. I'm listening to the "images of women in hiphop" debate and this line of thought ties in with some of that. The idea of making images that represent aspiration figures is the basic fabric of society, you create social norms by portraying images of what is expected, and by that i mean people who you can look up too. Previously that would have been the aristocracy, kings, generals. As society and technology changed so the images changed so now it's pop stars, movie stars, sport stars that are used. Personally i don't see much difference in a painting by a 17th century Italian Master or say music videos or adverts or most of the shows you get on television. I mean if you can see past the packaging and the language and the hype what does television do? it creates an understanding of the world, in the same way that paintings did in previous ages.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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108. "Mythologies"
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This reminds me of Barthes' analysis of the photo of a black soldier saluting the French flag, which appeared on the cover of Paris Match. (You may have read my post on an earlier forum).

Her eads it as an attempt to give French imperialism a positive image at a time of political crisis (defeat in Vietnam and imminent defeat in Algeria.

In the light of this, I wonder how many african american men and women signed up for the armed forces whilst Collin Powell was secretary of state?

  

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194. "Here's why it matters..."
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A black sunday school teacher told my class that Jesus came to save is people the jews. But we should love and praise him cause he died on the cross and if we accept him into our hearts now we will be saved also. Now as a kid of 12-13 all I knew of the world Jews were white as far as I could see. So black folks were an after thought and we should be thank the white saviour took pity on us to count us in.

Needless to say that was the beginning of the decline of religion for me.

This is the subconcious teaching that we are getting through the image of jesus as a white man.

Folks like suave wonder why some black folks rely so heavily on the whites and care so much what they think of us. We are trained to want god to look favorably upon us.

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115. "this post makes me sad"
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no wonder people shit on activist.

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116. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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what makes you sad about it?
perhaps you can be a little more clear.
Perhaps it is challenging what you have thought you have known all your life... perhaps you should question your own christian self... cause are you less christian if you find out the man you love (not saying you directly i have know knowledge of you and what you believe) is black...
what if he was black, homeless, and not well bathed... would that change your concept?

  

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117. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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This post challenges nothing it just reinterates exisisting ideas it will change no hearts or minds it is simply dialogue for dialogue sack.

  

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118. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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This post was meant for those it was meant for. It does challenge the very basic concept of the fictitious Eurochrist... which was used to promote homosexual ideology.

  

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123. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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once again I know what is being promoted but once again do you really think this is going to change anything about the faith of a beleiver. The fact that under slavery blacks were given this false idol image and told that this is christ and it endured to this day speaks for the damage of slavery and cultural genocide on the psyche of a people. As far as the homo thing you are probably reaching their even though king james and many others were known homos that doesn't spell out homo agenda conspiracy because it was still a DL practice in most societies it was something that happened that wasn't spoken of. The real conspiracy lies in the imagery and it's use as a tool during colonization and conquest.

  

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124. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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It wasn't DL at all...
in fact King James was quite open about it. No, I'm not reaching at all... the only portion of it that was DL was the Catholic church's monks and priests... and that's only cause it went agains their oath of no sex practices...beyond that... please... we are talking about EUROPE... think about it.

Also, this isn't about changing anyone's mind... it's about dealing with the truth... are you sad at the truth and happy with the lies?
I know it's christian to promote lies like Christmas, Easter, the Roman Calender. There seems to be a Christian comfort zone with lies... like pictures, renaming the cast of characters and so on...
however Christians don't question this cause they don't even read or understand their own books... and anyone who does fully read and try to understand are labeled cults. Hmm.

  

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452. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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..i think you've just got an axe to grind Aquaman. Europeans and homosexuality is a very touchy (and feely, depending on your denomination) subject. Officially the church is against homosexuality, only in the last 30 or 40 years has it been safe to be openly homosexual in this country. I also find it a little demeaning for you to call an entire race of people faggots because they adopted, and granted perverted, the teachings of ancient scholars.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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487. "bullshit."
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The Vatican is built in the exact location they held open air orgies.
Priests and Nuns have been openly homosexual towards one another for years. There is a seriously long history of homosexuality in the Catholic Church... serious history. Let alone the children and the molestation cases. Axe to grind? ARe you kidding me? Considering the first Pope of the church was also the king at the time... and he was gay... openly. You have to realize that the Catholic Church is a combination of Indigenous African Culture (Christianity) and Roman Pagan Culture... so yes... they have been spreading homosexuality worldwide.

  

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488. "RE: bullshit."
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..right. glad that's cleared up then. I just didnae like the way you lumped all the Europeans into one big festering lump of faggotry.

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121. "I don't think she is Christian."
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"I liked it," Gilliam said of playing gunner on punt team. "It was the first time I did anything like that. It was fun. It felt like, if he wasn't fair catching it, he was disrespecting me, so I was trying to take a head off if I could." Response-ability

  

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128. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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>what makes you sad about it?
>perhaps you can be a little more clear.
>Perhaps it is challenging what you have thought you have known
>all your life... perhaps you should question your own
>christian self... cause are you less christian if you find out
>the man you love (not saying you directly i have know
>knowledge of you and what you believe) is black...
>what if he was black, homeless, and not well bathed... would
>that change your concept?

For one, I am NOT Christian and would never want to be Christian. I do however know alot about the history of Christianity and other religions. Who knows what Christ looked like? The area where he is supposedly from (if you take the Bible to be historically accurate) has a wide range of different looking people. His skin tone could've been anywhere from light to dark and everything in between. If Jesus existed and was indeed black, it doesn't bother me becaue I am not Christian and have never bought the accuracy of the bible. I see it as myth, just like every other religion. I know how Europeans have manipulated the image of Christ for their own benefit (I'm an art history student), but it doesn't prove that Christ was black. All the evidence presented above has been circumstancial. There is no definite way to prove what exactly Jesus looked like. In my opinion, if Jesus existed he probably looked like Osama bin Laden. If you want to define that as black, or white, or whatever, so be it.

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131. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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Actually no...
New York has a lot of different looking people...
but if you go back in time you would have only found Indians...
Africa is no different... your speaking on migrants... not the original body.

  

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140. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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You cannot compare the Old World and New World as far as native populations. Pre 1492, New York was indeed populated by native peoples. The only non-Americans documented to have reached the Americas before the time of Columbus were the Norse, but they did not survive long and did not have a major impact on native life. So from 15,000 years ago(when humans populated the Americas) until 1492AD, the Americas were populated by the natives and the natives only. The same cannot be said for the Old World, and especially the area in which we are talking about.

The Middle East and surrounding area has been the crossroads long before the time of Christ. Ancient Egypt which existed before the time of Christ, invaded both Nubia and the Levant and took in slaves from those populations, not to mention peoples from the area now called Libya. Mesopotamian princesses married into Egyptian royalty. So, I say again, if Christ existed, in my opinion he looked like Osama bin Laden. However you like to categorize that in terms of your classification of races, then so be it. This also brings up another issue which is that it's very problematic to impose current arbitrary definitions of race/ethnicity on past cultures. I face this problem now when looking at pre-Inca societies in the Andes and identifying ethnic groups. It just isn't possible.

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243. "wow...that was stupid"
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244. "RE: wow...that was stupid"
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Actually no it's not... it's called migration... change in population.... it happens EVERYWHERE... hence... let's remember, the Jews were living in Germany, Turkey, and Armenia...
not Israel. That didn't happen until after the war.. they migrated there... so... read the bible or the torah... weren't the Jews always on the move? No it's just common fucking sense.

  

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132. "RE: this post makes me sad"
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Actually no...
New York has a lot of different looking people...
but if you go back in time you would have only found Indians...
Africa is no different... your speaking on migrants... not the original body.

  

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120. "There are positive post here..."
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"I liked it," Gilliam said of playing gunner on punt team. "It was the first time I did anything like that. It was fun. It felt like, if he wasn't fair catching it, he was disrespecting me, so I was trying to take a head off if I could." Response-ability

  

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125. "Proof Jesus is Black..."
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PEACE Blak, I like the new screen name. Black wrath is justice.

Humility in modesty and enduring the ultimate suffering for the love of all creation, is what is black. Black is a characteristic--not what you would just call a skin type. White, its opposite, is infinite regression, the hatred of love; the love of lust. Black is infinite progression, the love of love. White is damnation. Black is emancipation. Y'all who remain frontin' like you know the situation is facing the fire of your own fornication. Anyone who is blak is blak and you white motha fuckas with dark melanin can eat a dick up like dat. Word up! Ill spit. Pussy motha fuckas is killt wid...

the Black Wrath...is the God Divine Perspective.

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126. "RE: Proof Jesus is Black..."
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Peace...
exactly! Exactly! He didn't wait until he was fronted on (ghandi)
he didn't expect anything of it... (insert white leaders here)...
and on the real this isn't to be ignorant or fake... this is just how it is... period. You can follow this man's path and tell he is a black man... hands down... it's MAD obvious. Of course, most of the people on here complaining, have never read the book... they just loved the fucking movie! think about that... and then they ready to argue... wow.

  

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127. "Peace God..."
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You know the science.

PEACE to 1, 2 and 3

  

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130. "RE: Peace God..."
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Peace God
Likewise.
One.

  

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267. "So I am Blak and Jewish?"
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Cool.

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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272. "RE: So I am Blak and Jewish?"
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..well if your were black you wouldnt be saying it was cool.some people never learn.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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283. "I'm proud of my heritage man"
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I'm proud of my diversity too...

BLAK POWER
= BLEW POWER
JEW POWER

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285. "RE: I'm proud of my heritage man"
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..i thought Martin Luther King was a Christian? wasn't Malcolm X a member of the Nation of Islam?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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295. "And your point?"
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I was having a bit of fun here. Maybe I should get a flashing light that says joking on it...... I am only as Blak (note the spelling) as Aquaman defines me. I am not actually black.

And both Malcolm and Martin were great men for the record. Although what they or their religion has to do with anything, I dont know.

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297. "Religion?"
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..almost everything, almost everything.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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299. "THEM AND THEIR RELIGION"
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are you deliberately not understanding what I am saying?

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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301. "RE: THEM AND THEIR RELIGION"
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..no. black meaning african, correct? you said that you didn't think either Martin Luther King's nor Malcolm X's religion played any part in their political motivations or actions. I strongly disagree.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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303. "You misunderstood me"
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I wanted to know what their religions had to do with this argument...


>..no. black meaning african, correct? you said that you
>didn't think either Martin Luther King's nor Malcolm X's
>religion played any part in their political motivations or
>actions. I strongly disagree.

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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..first of all we're having a conversation and now we're having an argument? but i thought everything anybody said was a contradiction? as for the relevance to the original topic, would it make a difference if Jesus was Black? nothing, but the conversation has moved on from that. So perhaps this is more about how religious beliefs influence political descisions and points of few, and it seems to me that Judaism has a lot of politics attached to it. so the point is that the Civil Rights movement would have been primarily Christian. does that make a difference in how you view Martin Luther King? had he been Jewish would he have chosen a similar path in life?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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307. "Finally some reasoning."
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>..first of all we're having a conversation and now we're
>having an argument?

Argument as in flow of ideas.

but i thought everything anybody said was
>a contradiction? as for the relevance to the original topic,
>would it make a difference if Jesus was Black? nothing, but
>the conversation has moved on from that.

Yup, I thought we were discussing how I was Blak and Jewish.

So perhaps this is
>more about how religious beliefs influence political
>descisions and points of few, and it seems to me that Judaism
>has a lot of politics attached to it.

All religions do....

so the point is that the
>Civil Rights movement would have been primarily Christian.
>does that make a difference in how you view Martin Luther
>King? had he been Jewish would he have chosen a similar path
>in life?

Some of the first civil rights campaigners were Jewish.
I think there are several factors in Jewish attitudes to other cultures. Firstly, where Jews families come from inititally. Secondly, the culture they are brought up in and finally, the history of that family, and the country they are in...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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..everything i said was reasonable up until a point.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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309. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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..in reply to your points. Yes i understand full well that the Jewish faith covers the entire political spectrum. and this is where the point lies, Jewish Influence in Europe and the states is primarily intellectual, be that in economics or social theory or a wide range of subjects. I find it hard to deny however that this puts you in a position of privelage in some ways. Becuase of this there is a disproportionate influence of political thinking and politics, another point you refuse to answer. by the exchange we have had, can i also say that this limits other peoples thinking? Since academically, i mean i dont have the statistics, but i would imagine that more Jews find their way into Higher Education than say working class whites or african americans, and therefore since you seem to be educated you look down on people who are not?. and out of curiousity, do you find your religion and your race as a source of conflict, given the history of both in the U.S.A.?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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328. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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I find it hard to
>deny however that this puts you in a position of privelage in
>some ways.

So being intellectually curious and working hard priveleges you? Whats new?

Becuase of this there is a disproportionate
>influence of political thinking and politics, another point
>you refuse to answer. by the exchange we have had, can i also
>say that this limits other peoples thinking?

What do you mean by disproportionate? There are a disproportionate amount of black basketball players. What about all the Jews who want to play professsional basketball..... People who put the effort in (as individuals) get the rewards...

Since
>academically, i mean i dont have the statistics, but i would
>imagine that more Jews find their way into Higher Education
>than say working class whites or african americans,

Balls. I live in the UK. Jews represent 0.3 of a percentage point of the population here. I think it is less in the states. So there are far less Jews than either group, purely from the numbers of Jews in the country.

There may be a higher proportion, but are you going to penalise people for being succesful? Stop Jews from going to college or something?

and
>therefore since you seem to be educated you look down on
>people who are not?.

Not at all. I look down on people who cant reason. Who dont take the information they have and the information others give them to form a rational coherent and logical argument... I know highly educated people who cant do that. And I know "uneducated" people that can.

and out of curiousity, do you find your
>religion and your race as a source of conflict, given the
>history of both in the U.S.A.?

My religion and my race are the same thing. But I live in the UK. TBH, I have experienced some nasty things as a result of who I am. It is only a source of conflict when people say things about Jews they a) wouldnt say about another group of people and b) wouldnt like to people to say about their own group of people...

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

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332. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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..o.k. two things. being a Jew, some people are going to say things to you because your Jewish and obviously quite proud of the fact. so thats gonnae cause some provocation, it'd happen if you were a Muslim or a Catholic or whatever religion you were if thats how you define yourself, politically as well as religiously. and the other point is how many Basketball players hold descision making positions in the U.S. Government?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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335. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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oh please. Jewish people are always thinking someone is worried about them.. news flash... I hear the word Jew from Jews more than I do anyone. Ever. A little egocentric maybe?

  

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337. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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..who me? never.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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339. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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Just the fact you think I'm speaking about you... is exactly my point.
I'll try and remember the humility of your people the next time I'm going through the Diamond District in NY. Or the Diamond District in London... or the Diamond District in...

  

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340. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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..i aint jewish.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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371. "So all Jews sell diamonds?"
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?

And this is your proof for a lack of humility?

  

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377. "Did I say that stupid?"
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Why ask a dumb ask question, oh i know... your way of not living up to the actual statement I presented. Typical. How about deal with the comment I made... what about the diamond districts they own around the world? Notice how you ignored a question... or a statement... with another one that was not only not well thought, but openly dumb. Thanks... keep denying, it's what you do best.

  

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406. "You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you"
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would not find any, and then complained there was no humility there..

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407. "RE: You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you"
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...why do i get the feeling the only reason you want to get intae this argument is to make yourself look better than everybody else?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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409. "RE: You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you"
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please... your stupid. I mean you rocked a swastika... and are blaming a invisible hacker... STILL PLAYING THE VICTIM NOW MATTER WHAT HUH? TYPICAL.

  

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410. "RE: You went looking for humility in a place where you knew you"
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please... your stupid. I mean you rocked a swastika... and are blaming a invisible hacker... STILL PLAYING THE VICTIM NOW MATTER WHAT HUH? TYPICAL.

  

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451. "What a cunt"
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You wouldnt happen to know who did that would you?

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346. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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>oh please. BLACK people are always thinking someone is
>worried about them.. news flash... I hear the word BLACK from
>BLACKS more than I do anyone. Ever. A little egocentric
>maybe?


Sean

  

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347. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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..yeah but people are more obsessed about African/African American Culture than they are Jewish. White Paranoia is here to stay.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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356. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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Pretty much...
several questions proving this real...
when you hear Jewish actors and comedians... do they not always point out they are 'jewish'?...
when celebs interview... do they always not point out they are 'jewish'?

When have you seen a entire country try to mimic jews... in their clothing, their slang, their music? Pleas... EVEN THE MODERN DAY JEWS ARE MIMICKING BLACKS CAUSE GUESS WHAT? JUDAISM IS A BLACK WAY OF LIFE CAUSE THE ORIGINAL JEWS WERE BLACK...EVER WONDER WHY ORTHODOX JEWS TRY TO GROW LOCS? HMM...
EVER WONDER WHY DREADS SPEAK ON THE LION OF JUDAH
JUST LIKE JEWISH CATS?
CAUSE IT'S OUR RELIGION... AND WHEN DREADS SPEAK ON JAH... AND ON GLORY DO THEY NOT OPENLY SPEAK ON ETHIOPIA? EXACTLY. SORRY CHARLIE... THE EMINEM SHIT IS UP.

  

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The Hammer Man
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357. "RE: Finally some reasoning."
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..dinnae want to mix it too much. but was is it not Lenny Bruce, the Jewish Comedian, who started all the n****r shit back in the 60's?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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372. "You are off the wall..."
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>Pretty much...
>several questions proving this real...
>when you hear Jewish actors and comedians... do they not
>always point out they are 'jewish'?...
>when celebs interview... do they always not point out they are
>'jewish'?

Well not always, but you wouldnt knopw they were Jewish most times if they didnt...

>When have you seen a entire country try to mimic jews... in
>their clothing, their slang, their music? Pleas...

Who was trying to say they did...

EVEN THE
>MODERN DAY JEWS ARE MIMICKING BLACKS CAUSE GUESS WHAT?
>JUDAISM IS A BLACK WAY OF LIFE CAUSE THE ORIGINAL JEWS WERE
>BLACK...EVER WONDER WHY ORTHODOX JEWS TRY TO GROW LOCS?
>HMM...

They don't try and grow dreadlocks....

>EVER WONDER WHY DREADS SPEAK ON THE LION OF JUDAH
>JUST LIKE JEWISH CATS?

Because they appropriate the lexicon to make their beliefs more credible...

>CAUSE IT'S OUR RELIGION... AND WHEN DREADS SPEAK ON JAH... AND
>ON GLORY DO THEY NOT OPENLY SPEAK ON ETHIOPIA?

A billion people speak shit every day, does that mean it is all true?

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380. "RE: You are off the wall..."
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First off your replies are lies. They do point out they are Jewish... that's A (watch Seinfeld).
Second... I didn't say dreadlocks... I said "locs"... orthodox Jews do grow locs... that's a lie sun... are you in denial like most jews?
I think what it is is simply your so accustomed to playing the victim role... however, that doesn't work here.

  

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345. "Dollar Bill!"
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>religiously. and the other point is how many Basketball
>players hold descision making positions in the U.S.
>Government?

http://www.answers.com/topic/bill-bradley

"Bill Bradley, Political Figure / Basketball Player

One of the first pro-athlete-turned-politicians, Bradley was also one of the few with bona fide intellectual credentials. A three-time All-American at Princeton, Bradley delayed his professional basketball career to spend two years at Oxford University on a Rhodes scholarship . Upon his return he joined the New York Knicks and played on their 1970 and 1973 championship teams. In 1978 he was elected to the U.S. Senate and served three terms. In January 1999 he announced his intention to run for president, aiming for the nomination from the Democratic Party. He was defeated in the 2000 primary elections by then Vice President Al Gore.

Bradley was captain of the 1964 U.S. Olympic basketball team."

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273. "RE: So I am Blak and Jewish?"
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Uh... probably neither... the fact that you make fun of it so easily just shows me your white. Smile.

  

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274. "you're a Jewlatto"
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277. "RE: you're a Jewlatto"
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damn.

  

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275. ""
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278. ""
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hahaha...
I'm still bugging off Jewlatto... but let me tell you why that's impossible...
cause Judaism is only a religion... not a race of people... although they will tell u this all day with no support or proof.

  

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280. "see post #263"
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284. "You didnt learn what endogamous meant did you?"
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If you want to learn, I can tell you.

And while we are talking about proof, care to prove any of your stuff?

"This isnt an argument, you are just contradicting everything Im saying"

"No Im not"
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136. "That's not Jesus - that's Ned the wino!"
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137. "RE: That's not Jesus - that's Ned the wino!"
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hahaha... yeah.. Florida went straight sellout house nigga on that one.
which would make sense...
considering he ran with killers, thieves, the whole bit...

  

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157. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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BLACK PEOPLE STARTED EVERYTHING WHO CARES!?


For example the bycicle is a white invention(or whatever you call it) am i going to say: you can't ride a bike because white people invened it and you're black.

  

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159. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Um, I don't think you got the point of the post. It's not about excluding anyone as much as it is simply identifying the truth. Dealing with reality.. and accepting the truth for what it

  

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178. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Does it really matter at all? if Jesus really gav ethat much of a fuck about what colour he was he'd say " lads, look at me, i'm black like the Africans!" or "lads, look at me i'm white like the romans" or "lads i'm of middle eastern complexion just like the vast maojrity of people in the midle east!" personally i think he had green flesh, like the jolly green giant and if you want a biblical reference why, you can suck my cock

  

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196. "If it doesn't matter..."
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then why did you make all the foolish racist comments?

  

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213. "RE: If it doesn't matter..."
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>then why did you make all the foolish racist comments?

such as??

in reply to the bible tells us hes white, it simply doesnt. the bible desribes his hair as "like lambs wool" certainly not white, your confusing illustrator and author. Christianity developed into the rlegions it is today in the socially conservative, arrogant and inward thinknig west so its oonly natural they developed the image of christ into one of themselves, simply it doesnt matter.


  

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179. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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it was just a stupid atempt to make a jok

  

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182. "Damn...this is still going on?"
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*Sits in thread with popcorn and orange soda*

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"Self for self only doesn't work/your soul holds no weight when you let the devil lurk"--Del
"Every black man in Amerikkka faces imprisonment; ridicule and torment"--Jeru

  

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183. "because those swap meet paintings look silly"
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201. "Moses' wife was Ethipoian"
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it's clearly stated in the Bible.

I went to Catholic school from grades 1-8, a private Jesuit school from 9-12. I read 80% of the Bible in high school.

I remember in 7th grade we asked my religion teacher what color Christ was, he said "color doesn't matter." They always said that but they promoted the images of a white Jesus, my 12th grade text book was called Understanding God w/a white god image on the cover, The Ten Commandments movie w/white Egyptians, etc. That's the most damaging lie in history. That's straight up tricknology lol. If color doesn't matter or "we don't know what color Jesus was or God is" why depict them as white men?

As I started to read Malcolm I applied the knowledge to my classes as we read the Bible. All the shit they said was not adding up. I asked myself:
If Moses passed for an Egyptian, who are darker people, how could he be white?

Half the shit in the Bible takes place in Africa but we're lead to believe that everyone in the book was white. They'll never accept the truth because it would destroy everything they've built. How could you say that blacks are inferior if Jesus was black? We could never be oppressed if this was known.

  

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203. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Come on folks, even if Jesus wasn't African he surely wasn't
white. As long as I coud remember the pictures I saw of Christ
were of a pale faced man with blond hair. Now how many people
do you know who live in the Middle East that look like that?
None! To me it's just a way to control peoples perception. I
mean Chrisianity is a huge religion and for people to say that
the person responsibel for all this was white, its like a
point in their column. I don't think he was African, but he
what do I know, I wan't there. But I am sure as hell that he
wans't the porcelain faced person I've seen my entire liife..
:)  

  

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214. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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>then why did you make all the foolish racist comments?

such as??

in reply to the bible tells us hes white, it simply doesnt.
the bible desribes his hair as "like lambs wool"
certainly not white, your confusing illustrator and author.
Christianity developed into the rlegions it is today in the
socially conservative, arrogant and inward thinknig west so
its oonly natural they developed the image of christ into one
of themselves, simply it doesnt matter.

  

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215. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..no need to kick the shit out of yourself. christanity
brought knowledge and social stability to heathens.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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216. "cause he wasnt"
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he was middle eastern

  

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218. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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what does it matter what race Jesus was, if he even existed?

  

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228. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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It's about setting the record straight... and if it doesn't matter why would you ask? Apparently it does matter. We have to remove the cloak of Europeanism off us... compeletely.

  

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219. "why cant people accept that Jesus was just a man?"
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247. "israel."
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"They are reviled throughout the world-where ever they've done the dirty work of US Imperialism.

Israel was a key broker in the "October Surprise" manipulation of the 1980 elections AND the subsequent "Iran/Contra" secret Iran/USA arms deal/illegal war in Nicaragua.

Israel took over the Argentine/Central American Death Squad Training contract with the USA after the FalklandsWar-cheerfully TRAINING Salvadorian and ex-patriot Nicaraguans in fine art of torture/rape/industrial sobatage etc.

Israel also supplied Apart era South Africa with Nukes-for some INSANE reason.
Also acting as a alternate source supplier of weapons that could not be traced to the USA-allowing the US to plausibly deny involvement with demented torturers in Haiti,Zaire or Apart era South Africa.


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249. "RE: israel."
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>"They are reviled throughout the world-where ever they've
>done the dirty work of US Imperialism.
>
>Israel was a key broker in the "October Surprise" manipulation
>of the 1980 elections AND the subsequent "Iran/Contra" secret
>Iran/USA arms deal/illegal war in Nicaragua.
>
>Israel took over the Argentine/Central American Death Squad
>Training contract with the USA after the
>FalklandsWar-cheerfully TRAINING Salvadorian and ex-patriot
>Nicaraguans in fine art of torture/rape/industrial sobatage
>etc.
>
>Israel also supplied Apart era South Africa with Nukes-for
>some INSANE reason.
>Also acting as a alternate source supplier of weapons that
>could not be traced to the USA-allowing the US to plausibly
>deny involvement with demented torturers in Haiti,Zaire or
>Apart era South Africa.
>
>
>Israel is -ironically-a rats nest of fascism/the post ww2
>REBIRTH of fascism." - another great Okayplayer not afraid to
>speak the truth!


So what exactly does that have to do with Jesus?

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250. "RE: israel."
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..tenuous links? with jesus there would be no christianity. no christianity there is no christian church. with no christian church there is no English Civil War. if there is No English Civil War then there is No Enlightenment. if there No Enlightenment there No Fascism. No Fascism No Holocaust. It's called History numbnuts.

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251. "RE: israel."
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>..tenuous links? with jesus there would be no christianity.
>no christianity there is no christian church. with no
>christian church there is no English Civil War. if there is No
>English Civil War then there is No Enlightenment. if there No
>Enlightenment there No Fascism. No Fascism No Holocaust. It's
>called History numbnuts.

That was maybe the single most absurd thing I have ever heard. Your six degrees of seperation requires the suspension of belife a few times numbnuts. So, its Jesus' fault that there was a holocaust?

Some people. I don't know if I should stockpile guns, stove top stuffing and water or if I should go around smacking every other person on the street.

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252. "RE: israel."
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..yeah well bollocks to it mate. you'd bore the arse of a 89 year old deaf man. and what the fucks that got to do with Jesus?

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253. "RE: israel."
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I agree that Jesus was dark skinned and didn't look like Jim Cavezal. I will not say he's Black tho. B4 the slave trade, Africans didn't identify themselves with skin colors. Africans didn't chose to be called Black, it was given to them as a derogatory term. Africans didn't chose Negro either, it was given to them by the Spanish/Portugese, again as a derogatory term. We all know that Negro is a Spanish word that means black, and the definition for black is not one to be proud of (look it up).

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258. "RE: israel."
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Ok, he was African.

  

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257. "RE: israel."
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Not as stupid as white Armenians, Polish, Turkish, and Russians claiming to be the children of God... hahah... now that's foolish... especially considering they have never offered one ounce of proof as to lineage of bloodline. Never. Just rhetoric.

  

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263. "genetic studies show European Jews have Middle Eastern/Semitic lineage"
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"With a new technique based on the male or Y chromosome, biologists have traced the diaspora of Jewish populations from the dispersals that began in 586 B.C. to the modern communities of Europe and the Middle East.

The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries.

Another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities closely resemble not only each other but also Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago."

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269. "See that aqua? Thats called evidence....."
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Try and get some of your own...

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313. "Help me out maybe i'm missing something"
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>"With a new technique based on the male or Y chromosome,
>biologists have traced the diaspora of Jewish populations from
>the dispersals that began in 586 B.C. to the modern
>communities of Europe and the Middle East.
>
This seems, to me anyway, to be saying that the peoples in the modern communities of Europe and the Middle East are closely related. Where does it trace the origin of dispersment that began in 586 B.C.? How does this prove these people were in that area during the times of genesis?


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317. "RE: Help me out maybe i'm missing something"
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This is bullshit. To sit there and act as if the jewish people have not bred with any other race and their blood is pure is some elitist racist shit. No different than Hitler. Irony huh?

  

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319. "RE: Help me out maybe i'm missing something"
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>This is bullshit. To sit there and act as if the jewish
>people have not bred with any other race and their blood is
>pure is some elitist racist shit. No different than Hitler.
>Irony huh?


That is ignorant bullshit! Implicit in his statement is that the Jews dispersed, intermarried/bred in local European populations.

You may be the dumbest motherfucker on this board. And I have to apologize to Chris Deffendorf for calling him that when its so much clearer that you and you alone hold that title.

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323. "RE: Help me out maybe i'm missing something"
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Hey dumbass... ask the Turkish Jews where did they come from and they will tell you Turkey... Armenian Jews... Armenia... polish jews... and so on. Yes they intermarried... you can convert to a Jew right now... you always could dumbass... being Jewish is a religion... not a birthright... a race... or anything...
are you really this slow sun? C'mon... think. That's why you have a book... Judaism is the religion...


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326. "yeah, that "Jewish science" is bullshit"
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those clever heebs trying to warp reality with their wicked Jewish science again - just like that fraud Einstein guy.

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325. "that was the first major dispersion of Jews outside of Israel/Judea"
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>This seems, to me anyway, to be saying that the peoples in the
>modern communities of Europe and the Middle East are closely
>related. Where does it trace the origin of dispersment that
>began in 586 B.C.? How does this prove these people were in
>that area during the times of genesis?

This was the time of the Babylonian exile, not the times of genesis, so I don't really know what you're asking here.

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331. "RE: that was the first major dispersion of Jews outside of Israel/Judea"
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>>This seems, to me anyway, to be saying that the peoples in
>the
>>modern communities of Europe and the Middle East are closely
>>related. Where does it trace the origin of dispersment that
>>began in 586 B.C.? How does this prove these people were in
>>that area during the times of genesis?
>
>This was the time of the Babylonian exile, not the times of
>genesis, so I don't really know what you're asking here.
>
Ok my mistake. But how does this study prove the present day Jews, Arabs, and Phoenecians aren't converts to the religions of Judaism and Islam but the originals peoples of these religions?

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334. "RE: that was the first major dispersion of Jews outside of Israel/Judea"
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because ANYONE can convert to Judaism... this alone should be evidence... if Judaism came from Ethiopia... (land of the blacks) common sense would tell anyone that the whites are nothing more than converts... most of those who are in Israel moved there after WW2... it was given to them as a by product of war... so they go from running Germany in politics (before Hitler) to inheriting a so called "holy land"... and now they are the original people? hahahah.. whatever... that's what their ego says.

  

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344. "cuz there are still original populations in the region who never left"
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>Ok my mistake. But how does this study prove the present day
>Jews, Arabs, and Phoenecians aren't converts to the religions
>of Judaism and Islam but the originals peoples of these
>religions?

for example the Aramaeans of Syria, they even still speak Aramaic. They are a distinct group but are genetically related to the other middle eastern populations as well. If these other populations were converts from outside the region they wouldn't be so closely related to the original populations genetically.

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351. "This is still not concrete proof....."
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or maybe I am still missing something.


>>Ok my mistake. But how does this study prove the present
>day
>>Jews, Arabs, and Phoenecians aren't converts to the
>religions
>>of Judaism and Islam but the originals peoples of these
>>religions?
>
>for example the Aramaeans of Syria, they even still speak
>Aramaic. They are a distinct group but are genetically related
>to the other middle eastern populations as well. If these
>other populations were converts from outside the region they
>wouldn't be so closely related to the original populations
>genetically.
>
Nothing in the on the chart, at the link you provided, says anything about Aramaens of Syria. It does say Syrians. I'll assume that is what you are referring to since otherwise the mentioning of Aramaeans would be irrelevant and I know you are too intelligent for that. So, with that said. The point that is being made is that these folks are not the original populations. The arabs of Egypt are not the original population of Egypt. The area called the Middle East is a pretty big area. Why is Iraqis and Iranians not included in this chart.

All this proves is that these people who now call themselves jews are closely related to the peoples occupying that area now genetically. The point is these are not the original population but migrants who have moved into the area and converted to these religions. I am curious to know how closely, genetically, they are related to Afghanis and Pakistanis as well. Look how closely related they are to Turks and how close Saudi Arabians are to Europeans in that chart.

I'm sorry I don't see how this proves these people are not converts, are the original populations, or Jesus not being an African.

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354. "RE: This is still not concrete proof....."
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THANK YOU!!!! EXACTLY... there is a book that talks about the European Prince who went to Africa... fell in love with a black African and converted... he then demanded all his fellowship and villages to convert... thus began the European Jews... they are NOT the real jews...
I'll try and get the name of the book... either way... I don't need no book to know my people... you read the story of Christ and your reading the story of a black man... it's mad obvious. Humble jews with unconditional love in their hearts? Not sure about that one... and I have friends who are jewish... not hating just being real.

  

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431. "it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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>Nothing in the on the chart, at the link you provided, says
>anything about Aramaens of Syria. It does say Syrians. I'll
>assume that is what you are referring to since otherwise the
>mentioning of Aramaeans would be irrelevant and I know you are
>too intelligent for that.

No, that was from another study.

>So, with that said. The point that
>is being made is that these folks are not the original
>populations.

None of them? How do you know that?

>The arabs of Egypt are not the original
>population of Egypt.

So where did the original population of Egypt go?

>The area called the Middle East is a
>pretty big area. Why is Iraqis and Iranians not included in
>this chart.

Iraq was under sanctions at the time so travel there was prohibited I thought, and it's probably pretty difficult for American scientists to do research in Iran as well.

>All this proves is that these people who now call themselves
>jews are closely related to the peoples occupying that area
>now genetically. The point is these are not the original
>population but migrants who have moved into the area and
>converted to these religions.

But the people who now call themselves Jews were in Europe for almost two thousand years. How are they genetically related to the peoples occupying that area now if neither population is originally from there?

>I'm sorry I don't see how this proves these people are not
>converts, are the original populations, or Jesus not being an
>African.

Well if they'e all converts how do you explain the above question.

And I didn't present this as evidence of Jesus not being an African. But seeing as how he was from the original population of that region, you would have to answer the above question and explain why those populations are distinct from African populations.

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455. "RE: it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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>>So, with that said. The point that
>>is being made is that these folks are not the original
>>populations.

>None of them? How do you know that?

It’s not a point of knowing. The discussion is the jews of today are not the original jews. So if this area is to be the original area of the original jews, and the folks who are claiming Jewish today are not the original jews then they are not the original populations. Furthermore if they non-original jews are so closely related to the other so-called semetic folks now inhabiting the area then they must be from the same area as the fake jews and are imposters themselves. Thus not the original population of that area.

>>The arabs of Egypt are not the original
>>population of Egypt.

>So where did the original population of Egypt go?

Who is to say they have gone anywhere? See Zewari’s recent post “Saudi king clinically dead” post#4. They are still there just not in power. (I wonder how many of these people the included in their tests)

>>All this proves is that these people who now call themselves
>>jews are closely related to the peoples occupying that area
>>now genetically. The point is these are not the original
>>population but migrants who have moved into the area and
>>converted to these religions.

>But the people who now call themselves Jews were in Europe for almost two thousand >years. How are they genetically related to the peoples occupying that area now if neither >population is originally from there?

They migrated. According to the bible jesus constantly referred to the ruling class of Judaism (the Pharisee) as being the children of the devil. “Ye are of your father the devil…” –Jn 8:44

Also there were a lot of empires formed in that area by different peoples leading up to “the birth of jesus”.

>And I didn't present this as evidence of Jesus not being an African. But seeing as how >he was from the original population of that region, you would have to answer the above >question and explain why those populations are distinct from African populations.

All this proves is that these people who now call themselves jews are closely related to the peoples occupying that area now genetically. The point is these are not the original population but migrants who have moved into the area and converted to these religions. I am curious to know how closely, genetically, they are related to Afghanis and Pakistanis as well. Look how closely related they are to Turks and how close Saudi Arabians are to Europeans in that chart.

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468. "RE: it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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>It’s not a point of knowing. The discussion is the jews of
>today are not the original jews. So if this area is to be the
>original area of the original jews, and the folks who are
>claiming Jewish today are not the original jews then they are
>not the original populations.

I understand the line of reasoning here, but it is being spoken of in this thread as a point of knowing.

>Furthermore if they
>non-original jews are so closely related to the other
>so-called semetic folks now inhabiting the area then they must
>be from the same area as the fake jews and are imposters
>themselves. Thus not the original population of that area.

But the "non-original jews" are from Europe, and the "so-called semitic folks" now inhabiting the Levant are supposedly all migrants from deep in the Arabian peninsula... so how are they from the same area?

>Who is to say they have gone anywhere? See Zewari’s recent
>post “Saudi king clinically dead” post#4. They are still
>there just not in power. (I wonder how many of these people
>the included in their tests)

If you're talking about the Nubians then yeah they're still there, but they were always located in upper Egypt. But what about the inhabitants of lower Egypt? Did the Arabs ethnically cleanse lower Egypt completely?

>>But the people who now call themselves Jews were in Europe
>for almost two thousand >years. How are they genetically
>related to the peoples occupying that area now if neither
>>population is originally from there?
>
>They migrated.

From where? When? To where?

>According to the bible jesus constantly
>referred to the ruling class of Judaism (the Pharisee) as
>being the children of the devil. “Ye are of your father the
>devil…” –Jn 8:44

Relevance?

>Also there were a lot of empires formed in that area by
>different peoples leading up to “the birth of jesus”.

So what does that prove?

>All this proves is that these people who now call themselves
>jews are closely related to the peoples occupying that area
>now genetically. The point is these are not the original
>population but migrants who have moved into the area and
>converted to these religions.

But the logical conclusion of this is that European Jews originate from deep in the Arabian peninsula or that Arabs originate from Europe. So unless that is what you're arguing, I don't understand what this is supposed to ultimately mean

>I am curious to know how
>closely, genetically, they are related to Afghanis and
>Pakistanis as well. Look how closely related they are to Turks
>and how close Saudi Arabians are to Europeans in that chart.

I haven't seen any studies on that. But the Saudis aren't really that close to the Europeans on that chart.


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479. "RE: it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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>>It’s not a point of knowing. The discussion is the jews of
>>today are not the original jews. So if this area is to be the
>>original area of the original jews, and the folks who are
>>claiming Jewish today are not the original jews then they are
>>not the original populations.

>I understand the line of reasoning here, but it is being spoken of >in this thread as a point of knowing.

The flipside does the same.

>But the "non-original jews" are from Europe, and the "so-called >semitic folks" now inhabiting the Levant are supposedly all >migrants from deep in the Arabian peninsula... so how are they from >the same area?

Simple. The “so-called semetic folks are not from deep in the Arabian peninsula.

>>Who is to say they have gone anywhere? See Zewari’s recent
>>post “Saudi king clinically dead” post#4. They are still
>>there just not in power. (I wonder how many of these people
>>the included in their tests)

>If you're talking about the Nubians then yeah they're still there, >but they were always located in upper Egypt. But what about the >inhabitants of lower Egypt? Did the Arabs ethnically cleanse lower >Egypt completely?

First you did not read Zewari’s post that I referenced to. Secondly it doesn’t have to be a ethnic cleansing that took place. The Arabs could have simply move the indigenous Nubians further south in the country. Look at the Dhafur situation. They Arabs sure do have them on the run.

>>>But the people who now call themselves Jews were in Europe
>>>for almost two thousand years. How are they genetically
>>>related to the peoples occupying that area now if neither
>>>population is originally from there?
>>
>>They migrated.

>From where? When? To where?

I don’t know from where. Pakistan area, Afghanistan Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey?? I don’t know, but it is possible. There is not enough data in that chart to refute that.

When? During invasions. Generally with invasions com a influx of new peoples to the area. Australia, America ring a bell? Not guaranteed but very probable and possible.

To where? The region that we are discussing

>>Also there were a lot of empires formed in that area by
>>different peoples leading up to “the birth of jesus”.

>So what does that prove?

Prove? Alone? Nothing. But the possibilities it presents are a different story.

>>All this proves is that these people who now call themselves
>>jews are closely related to the peoples occupying that area
>>now genetically. The point is these are not the original
>>population but migrants who have moved into the area and
>>converted to these religions.

>But the logical conclusion of this is that European Jews originate >from deep in the Arabian peninsula or that Arabs originate from >Europe. So unless that is what you're arguing, I don't understand >what this is supposed to ultimately mean

I lean towards the Arabs not originating in the Arabian peninsula.

>>I am curious to know how
>>closely, genetically, they are related to Afghanis and
>>Pakistanis as well. Look how closely related they are to Turks
>>and how close Saudi Arabians are to Europeans in that chart.

>I haven't seen any studies on that. But the Saudis aren't really >that close to the Europeans on that chart.

The Saudis are in relation to their location on the map. The Turks are more closely related. By the way what is a Near Eastern Jew, and where are they at?


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>The flipside does the same.

... supported by historical and scientific evidence, as opposed to unsubstantiated speculation.

>Simple. The “so-called semetic folks are not from deep in the
>Arabian peninsula.

That still wouldn't explain how they're genetically related to European Jews, unless your arguing that the "so called semitic folk" all originate in Europe.

>First you did not read Zewari’s post that I referenced to.
>Secondly it doesn’t have to be a ethnic cleansing that took
>place. The Arabs could have simply move the indigenous
>Nubians further south in the country.

First, that is ethnic cleansing by definition. Second, the Nubians are indigenous to upper (south) Egypt, not lower (north) Egypt. Third, I read Zewari's post but I don't see what it has to do with your argument that "the Arabs of Egypt are not the original population of Egypt".

You seem to be saying that the Arabs of Egypt are pure Arabs and didn't intermingle with the native population of Egypt - if that were the case they'd be basically identical to the Saudis on that graph, instead of forming their own cluster with the other North African populations.

>Look at the Dhafur
>situation. They Arabs sure do have them on the run.

Those "Arabs" are of mostly African descent, they're really only "Arab" by culture... and that is exactly the point. Just because Arabs conquered a region does not mean they completely replaced the original population.

>I don’t know from where. Pakistan area, Afghanistan
>Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey?? I don’t know, but it is
>possible. There is not enough data in that chart to refute
>that.

There is zero evidence of any kind to even suggest this, let alone support it as a viable theory.

>When? During invasions. Generally with invasions com a
>influx of new peoples to the area. Australia, America ring a
>bell? Not guaranteed but very probable and possible.

When did Uzbekistanians invade Europe and the Levant in the early first millenium AD? This just makes no sense whatsoever. Australia and America we know from history, not just totally unfounded speculation.

>Prove? Alone? Nothing. But the possibilities it presents
>are a different story.

Not the possibilities you are suggesting. There were no Central/South Asian empires formed in the Levant leading up to this era.

>I lean towards the Arabs not originating in the Arabian
>peninsula.

Based on what?

>The Saudis are in relation to their location on the map. The
>Turks are more closely related.

It's a multidimensional chart; the Saudis are far enough away on the X-axis to clearly seperate them from the European cluster. But yeah the Turks are closer.

> By the way what is a Near
>Eastern Jew, and where are they at?

Those are the Iraqi and Iranian Jews, they're abbreviated as Nea on the graph.

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501. "RE: it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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Wed May-04-05 09:00 AM by Kozmikblak

  

          

>>The flipside does the same.

>... supported by historical and scientific evidence, as opposed to unsubstantiated speculation

No need to. The proof is in this post. Look at the folks saying “look who’s there now. It’s obvious these are the same people from then”. The link you provided is attempting to indicate the same thing.

>>Simple. The “so-called semetic folks are not from deep in the
>>Arabian peninsula.

>That still wouldn't explain how they're genetically related to >European Jews, unless your arguing that the "so called semitic >folk" all originate in Europe.

Or the same area. Again Turks are closely related according to the chart. Also there is no data on the other surrounding areas that I pointed out. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and so on.

>>First you did not read Zewari’s post that I referenced to.
>>Secondly it doesn’t have to be a ethnic cleansing that took
>>place. The Arabs could have simply move the indigenous
>>Nubians further south in the country.

>First, that is ethnic cleansing by definition. Second, the Nubians >are indigenous to upper (south) Egypt, not lower (north) Egypt. >Third, I read Zewari's post but I don't see what it has to do with >your argument that "the Arabs of Egypt are not the original >population of Egypt".

I misread what you posted earlier. I took what you were saying about the Nubians that they were of lower Egypt also and was asking what happened to them. Regardless the indigenous peoples of lower Egypt still could have displaced. The point of mentioning Zewari’s post is referencing the multi-ethnicity in places like Saudi Arabia, Basra Iraq.

>You seem to be saying that the Arabs of Egypt are pure Arabs and >didn't intermingle with the native population of Egypt - if that >were the case they'd be basically identical to the Saudis on that >graph, instead of forming their own cluster with the other North >African populations.

>>Look at the Dhafur
>>situation. They Arabs sure do have them on the run.

>Those "Arabs" are of mostly African descent, they're really >only "Arab" by culture... and that is exactly the point. Just >because Arabs conquered a region does not mean they completely >replaced the original population.

You brought up Egypt and as you say just because Arabs conquered a region does not mean they completely replaced the original population as you point out. The Arabs in Egypt did more intermixing with the indigenous people then the others. But look at your chart. It’s a slight of hand, Egyptians, and Tunisians are just as close to those population as the Saudis. The circle around them makes them seem that much farther apart. Now look at the Lem (Lembas) which are marked as other than Jewish. There are studies using the same technology that show they are jewish . see: http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/lemba.htm provided by Ahkenaten in this post.

>>I don’t know from where. Pakistan area, Afghanistan
>>Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey?? I don’t know, but it is
>>possible. There is not enough data in that chart to refute
>>that.

>There is zero evidence of any kind to even suggest this, let alone >support it as a viable theory

Where did the Persians, Hittites, Assyrians, all come from? These were invading peoples of that area at one time or another.

>>When? During invasions. Generally with invasions com a
>>influx of new peoples to the area. Australia, America ring a
>>bell? Not guaranteed but very probable and possible.

>When did Uzbekistanians invade Europe and the Levant in the early >first millenium AD? This just makes no sense whatsoever. Australia >and America we know from history, not just totally unfounded >speculation.

Come on man. Uzbekistan wasn’t founded until 1930. When I mentioned Uzbekistan I was pointing to the area as a possible place of origin for Arabs and todays Jews.

>>I lean towards the Arabs not originating in the Arabian
>>peninsula.

>Based on what?

Based on what you contend that they are? Because they are there now? That’s like saying jesus was obviously white. Look at the picture. Or taking Y-chromosomes from most the population of the east coast of North America and they are so closely related proves that these people didn’t do a lot of intermixing thus originated in this area well over two thousand years ago.

>>The Saudis are in relation to their location on the map. The
>>Turks are more closely related.

>It's a multidimensional chart; the Saudis are far enough away on >the X-axis to clearly seperate them from the European cluster. But >yeah the Turks are closer.

I’m talking Saudis by chart and their physical location on the map. Turks are close why could these people not be migrants from that area, Asia Minor? Greeks are close to the Ashkenazim again the illusion of a big separation given by the circle. All the chart proves is once in this area the people tent to breed amongst themselves for thousands of years. No more no less.

Not enough to prove definitely but enough to doubt reasonably. Besides I have skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs wool. Not these folks.


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>No need to. The proof is in this post. Look at the folks
>saying “look who’s there now. It’s obvious these are the same
>people from then”. The link you provided is attempting to
>indicate the same thing.

... backed up by scientific evidence.

>Or the same area. Again Turks are closely related according
>to the chart. Also there is no data on the other surrounding
>areas that I pointed out. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and so on.

Turks didn't go into the Levant until the Ottoman period around the 15th century, and even then not as migrants but as conquerers. Afghans and Pakistanis never did as either. So how is this a reasonable hypothesis?

>I misread what you posted earlier. I took what you were
>saying about the Nubians that they were of lower Egypt also
>and was asking what happened to them.

OK, I see.

>Regardless the
>indigenous peoples of lower Egypt still could have displaced.

It's unlikely they were entirely displaced.

>The Arabs in Egypt did
>more intermixing with the indigenous people then the others.

That's the only point I was trying to make. With that said, how could the Arabs have completely displaced the original population and intermixed alot with them as well? Unless you are saying they only displaced a portion of the orignial inhabitants, which I would certainly say is plausible.

>But look at your chart. It’s a slight of hand, Egyptians, and
>Tunisians are just as close to those population as the Saudis.
> The circle around them makes them seem that much farther
>apart.

The Egyptians and Tunisians are more in-between those populations and the Ethiopians.

Now look at the Lem (Lembas) which are marked as
>other than Jewish. There are studies using the same
>technology that show they are jewish . see:
>http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/lemba.htm provided by
>Ahkenaten in this post.

The Lembas are halfway between the sub-Saharan African and Jewish clusters on the chart, and you also have to keep in mind it's an overall population study from a sample of 34 Lembas, so it's not saying that none of them have Jewish heritage. The study you mentioned said it's only one out of every 10 Lembas who have the Jewish marker. So yeah some of the Lembas clearly have Jewish heritage, apparently from one clan in particular.

>Where did the Persians, Hittites, Assyrians, all come from?
>These were invading peoples of that area at one time or
>another.

The Iranian plateau, Mesopotamia, and I dunno about the Hittites, but they were Indo-Europeans. And they all invaded centuries before Jesus... so if they replaced the original Jews, then Jesus himself wasn't an original Jew, he was a Persian or a Hittite or something... so what is the point of all this again?

>Come on man. Uzbekistan wasn’t founded until 1930. When I
>mentioned Uzbekistan I was pointing to the area as a possible
>place of origin for Arabs and todays Jews.

I understand that - I'm saying people from the region of modern-day Uzbekistan did not invade Europe and the Levant in that time period, so how is that a possible place of common origin for Arabs and Jews?

>Based on what you contend that they are? Because they are
>there now?

Based on there being zero evidence to suggest they originated anywhere else.

>That’s like saying jesus was obviously white.

No, it's like saying Jesus was obviously from Judea.

>Look at the picture. Or taking Y-chromosomes from most the
>population of the east coast of North America and they are so
>closely related proves that these people didn’t do a lot of
>intermixing thus originated in this area well over two
>thousand years ago.

The population of the east coast of N.America doesn't have a history in the region stretching back thousands of years with no evidence of them having migrated from elsewhere.

>I’m talking Saudis by chart and their physical location on the
>map. Turks are close why could these people not be migrants
>from that area, Asia Minor?

Because there is zero evidence to suggest this.

>Greeks are close to the
>Ashkenazim again the illusion of a big separation given by the
>circle.

It's not an "illusion", it's a statistical representation. The Greeks are closer to the mid-east populations than the northern Europeans cuz they were in contact with these populations for many centuries. So it's a sliding scale, but the pattern still fits general population clusters of European, Mid-Eastern, African, etc.

>All the chart proves is once in this area the people
>tent to breed amongst themselves for thousands of years. No
>more no less.

But the Ashkenazi were in Germany, Austria and Russia... not Greece. So why aren't they up in between those northern european groups? Why are they closer to the Greeks?

>Not enough to prove definitely but enough to doubt reasonably.

Occam's razor.

> Besides I have skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs
>wool. Not these folks.

But I thought these folks were related to the Lemba? Which is it?

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506. "RE: it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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>>Or the same area. Again Turks are closely related according
>>to the chart. Also there is no data on the other surrounding
>>areas that I pointed out. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and so on.

>Turks didn't go into the Levant until the Ottoman period around the >15th century, and even then not as migrants but as conquerers. >Afghans and Pakistanis never did as either. So how is this a >reasonable hypothesis?

>The Iranian plateau, Mesopotamia, and I dunno about the Hittites, >but they were Indo-Europeans. And they all invaded centuries before >Jesus... so if they replaced the original Jews, then Jesus himself >wasn't an original Jew, he was a Persian or a Hittite or >something... so what is the point of all this again?

We are talking about a group of people coming into an area coopting a the religion and beliefs of the indigenous peoples of that land the claiming themselves the originators. How long do you think it would take to do something like this? Centuries, right? Now you have the indigenous people are still there but marginalized out of the power structure. I pointed to Zewari’s post to say there are still Africans in the region today. Here’s a link showing the empires that were in the region leading up to the time of the birth of jesus: http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.science.co.il/Maps%2DNear%2DEast%2DEmpires.asp

They stretched from the Levant out east toward Pakistan and Afghanistan area and north into Asia Minor. Persia made it to parts of Greece.

Like you said it is unlikely that they breed the indigenous peoples out of existence. So this leaves a possibility that jesus was born of the indigenous population of the area who were are African. As far as the chart show very little intermixing of genes, which you point to as scientific proof. That can explained where the indigenous peoples allowed others to practice their ways and traditions but not intermarry. Now as time goes by those in power make the rules. Turn a negative into a positive. It is we who do not intermarry with them (meaning the indigenous).

Seriously how long does it take to convince a people they are something they truly are not? How many generations? How long did it take to convince the Rawandans that they are two separate tribes of people?

>>I’m talking Saudis by chart and their physical location on the
>>map. Turks are close why could these people not be migrants
>>from that area, Asia Minor?

>Because there is zero evidence to suggest this.

>>Greeks are close to the
>>Ashkenazim again the illusion of a big separation given by the
>>circle.

Supporting evidence in the maps provided showing the empires that occupied the area in the centuries leading up to the time of jesus’s birth.

>>Greeks are close to the
>>Ashkenazim again the illusion of a big separation given by the
>>circle.

>It's not an "illusion", it's a statistical representation. The >Greeks are closer to the mid-east populations than the northern >Europeans cuz they were in contact with these populations for many >centuries. So it's a sliding scale, but the pattern still fits >general population clusters of European, Mid-Eastern, African, etc.

It is an illusion. The circles tell the mind that there is a seperation. Which will tend to overrule the visual distance. http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/illusion.html see the “checker shadow illusion”. The circles in the chart are not to that extreme but creates the illusion all the same.

We both agree that according to the charts the Greeks and Turks are close genetically. Why is not possible that the modern day Arabs did not come from the Asia Minor area? Taking into account that once there, adopted the traditions of the indigenous peoples and for centuries breeding only with those who follow those traditions.

>But the Ashkenazi were in Germany, Austria and Russia... not >Greece. So why aren't they up in between those northern european >groups? Why are they closer to the Greeks?

Not enough German, Austrian, and Russian converts to affect the population. I do find it interesting that during the Nazi era they had to pin stars on them to tell who was jewish and who wasn’t.

>Occam's razor.

Just because the shortest distance between two points is a straight line does not make it the correct route.

>>Besides I have skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs
>>wool. Not these folks.

>But I thought these folks were related to the Lemba? Which is it?

O.K. You have to allow for some intermixing. Now if you were going to take over something what would be the best way? Get in at the top. The Cohaine is the priesthood of Judaism correct?. The Pharisee who are the law interpreters. He makes the laws rule. Isn’t likely that is how they gained control? Interbreed with original priesthood, claim heritage, marginalize the originals out of power position. Only breed with non- indigenous giving more of your people claim to these positions. Appointing non-indigenous to other positions of power and so on and so forth. It’s likely the Lemba’s are of the original Tribes of Israel. Did you see the pictures on the web site? Who do you think more closely resembles the description of skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs wool? The Lembas or todays jews? From that description what group would you say jesus was descended from?

Why do you think todays jews are quick to let “converts” know they are true jews? They know how they got to where they are and are not going to let it happen to them. We’s here now and we’s here to stay.


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>Now you have the indigenous people are
>still there but marginalized out of the power structure. I
>pointed to Zewari’s post to say there are still Africans in
>the region today.

Then why were you arguing that the populations there now aren't the original populations? Seems contradictory.

>They stretched from the Levant out east toward Pakistan and
>Afghanistan area and north into Asia Minor. Persia made it to
>parts of Greece.

OK, but keep in mind those empires conquered Afghanistan and Pakistan, not the other way around, so Afghans and Punjabis weren't moving into the Levant as conquerers and setting up shop there.

>Like you said it is unlikely that they breed the indigenous
>peoples out of existence. So this leaves a possibility that
>jesus was born of the indigenous population of the area who
>were are African.

Whoa - where are you getting the indigenous population being African from?

> As far as the chart show very little
>intermixing of genes, which you point to as scientific proof.
>That can explained where the indigenous peoples allowed others
>to practice their ways and traditions but not intermarry. Now
>as time goes by those in power make the rules. Turn a
>negative into a positive. It is we who do not intermarry with
>them (meaning the indigenous).

But then there would be 2 seperate and distinct populations left in the region, just like the Ashkenazis being seperate from North Europeans. But the study shows the opposite, that the populations there are all closely related.

>Seriously how long does it take to convince a people they are
>something they truly are not? How many generations? How long
>did it take to convince the Rawandans that they are two
>separate tribes of people?

But the Rwandans were the ones who were colonized; the Belgians didn't go into Rwanda and start calling *themselves* two seperate tribes of people.

>Supporting evidence in the maps provided showing the empires
>that occupied the area in the centuries leading up to the time
>of jesus’s birth.

That doesn't prove anything about populations migrating.

>It is an illusion. The circles tell the mind that there is a
>seperation. Which will tend to overrule the visual distance.

No it's not. And it's not a "seperation", it just highlights a population cluster. As I said it is a sliding scale, but there are still distinct clusters nonetheless.

>http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/illusion.html see
>the “checker shadow illusion”. The circles in the chart are
>not to that extreme but creates the illusion all the same.

I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. It's just a circle, taking it away doesn't do anything to disprove the population cluster.

>We both agree that according to the charts the Greeks and
>Turks are close genetically. Why is not possible that the
>modern day Arabs did not come from the Asia Minor area?
>Taking into account that once there, adopted the traditions of
>the indigenous peoples and for centuries breeding only with
>those who follow those traditions.

Because besides the fact that there is zero historical or archeological evidence which even hints at this, if it were true then the Saudis would be closer to the Turks on that chart than to the Ashkenazi Jews, Syrians, Palestinians and Lebanese.

>Not enough German, Austrian, and Russian converts to affect
>the population.

That still doesn't explain why they're closer to the Greeks.

>I do find it interesting that during the Nazi
>era they had to pin stars on them to tell who was jewish and
>who wasn’t.

There was intermixing though - keep in mind this study only follows paternal descent.

>Just because the shortest distance between two points is a
>straight line does not make it the correct route.

Occam's razor doesn't actually say the simplest answer is the best; it says you shouldn't make unnecessary assumptions. Speaking of which...

>O.K. You have to allow for some intermixing. Now if you were
>going to take over something what would be the best way? Get
>in at the top. The Cohaine is the priesthood of Judaism
>correct?. The Pharisee who are the law interpreters. He
>makes the laws rule. Isn’t likely that is how they gained
>control? Interbreed with original priesthood, claim heritage,
>marginalize the originals out of power position. Only breed
>with non- indigenous giving more of your people claim to these
>positions. Appointing non-indigenous to other positions of
>power and so on and so forth.

... this is what I'm talking about by unnecessary assumptions.

>It’s likely the Lemba’s are of
>the original Tribes of Israel.

The ones with the Conahim genetic markers apparently are.

>Did you see the pictures on
>the web site? Who do you think more closely resembles the
>description of skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs wool?
> The Lembas or todays jews? From that description what group
>would you say jesus was descended from?

So you are gonna base an empirical assessment of his ethnicity on a second-hand at best anecdotal description? And what does that description prove anyway? Israel's a desert climate and JC walked around in sandals all day - how's he NOT gonna have feet like burnt brass?

My grandfather worked construction jobs, he'd work outside all day in the summer with his shirt off and when he'd come home my mom said his back looked like bronze... and he was Irish, straight from the bog. Give him a Jewish afro for the hair like wool, and I guess he could've fit that description of Jesus too. Which is funny, cuz he was whiter than Jim Caviezel.

>Why do you think todays jews are quick to let “converts” know
>they are true jews?

So they don't convert to Judaism just for the jokes like Tim Whatley.

>They know how they got to where they are
>and are not going to let it happen to them. We’s here now and
>we’s here to stay.

Yeah, they've been really fortunate with the pogroms and holocausts and all that.


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Um... the Jews located in Israel are not the original jews.
The Arabs in Northern Africa are not the original North Africans.
Just like whites in America were not the original Americans.

  

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>>Now you have the indigenous people are
>>still there but marginalized out of the power structure. I
>>pointed to Zewari’s post to say there are still Africans in
>>the region today.

>Then why were you arguing that the populations there now aren't the >original populations? Seems contradictory.

The argument is: The people who are in the region today that are called jews and arabs as shown on news casts and such, olive tone skin soft curly to straight hair, are not the original population of the area.

>>They stretched from the Levant out east toward Pakistan and
>>Afghanistan area and north into Asia Minor. Persia made it to
>>parts of Greece.

>OK, but keep in mind those empires conquered Afghanistan and >Pakistan, not the other way around, so Afghans and Punjabis >weren't moving into the Levant as conquerers and setting up shop >there.

You do realize Iranians consider themselves descended from Persians while Iraqis don’t? In what region did the Assyrian empire begin? Or the Persian? Did the Persian empire sprout up from within the Babylonian empire?

>>Like you said it is unlikely that they breed the indigenous
>>peoples out of existence. So this leaves a possibility that
>>jesus was born of the indigenous population of the area who
>>were are African.

>Whoa - where are you getting the indigenous population being African from?

40th what are you doing man? I thought you were above this kind of stuff. The title of the post is: "Why Can't People Accept that Jesus was African?" African meaning black like the people of the continent Africa.

>> As far as the chart show very little
>>intermixing of genes, which you point to as scientific proof.
>>That can explained where the indigenous peoples allowed others
>>to practice their ways and traditions but not intermarry. Now
>>as time goes by those in power make the rules. Turn a
>>negative into a positive. It is we who do not intermarry with
>>them (meaning the indigenous).

>But then there would be 2 seperate and distinct populations left in >the region, just like the Ashkenazis being seperate from North >Europeans. But the study shows the opposite, that the populations >there are all closely related.

This study does not show the opposite. Did they sample ALL the people of these areas meaning black arabs, or just the folk who are assume indigenous to the area? The agenda of the study was to see if the people we know as Jews today are a product intermixing and conversion. Now if you go into the study under the assumption that the olive toned people of the region today would have been the people that the Jews of today would have intermixed with for conversion then there is a flaw in the study. Do you see what I’m saying? If you assume that people who look like Arafat are the people that would have been intermixed with when in reality they are all the same people who did not originate in the area then the study is flawed. It only shows that once there, religions and traditions co-opted, they interbred with their own and not the indigenous population. There are two separate and distinct populations. Look at where the lemba’s ended up. But the study doesn’t consider them indigenous to the area. Most likely the same attitude they took in relation to other black groups in the area. Again I point to Zewari’s post as mentioned before.

>>Seriously how long does it take to convince a people they are
>>something they truly are not? How many generations? How long
>>did it take to convince the Rawandans that they are two
>>separate tribes of people?

>But the Rwandans were the ones who were colonized; the Belgians >didn't go into Rwanda and start calling *themselves* two seperate >tribes of people.

The point I was making with this is the two separate tribe shit is made up. The people know it was made but look how ingrained it is in their psyche. This was done in less than 100 years. Compare that to a group of people claiming something that is not theirs for over a thousand years. Is it any truer? No. Do they believe its true? For the most part hell yes. Best believe that there are those in their ranks that know and hide the truth.

>>Supporting evidence in the maps provided showing the empires
>>that occupied the area in the centuries leading up to the time
>>of jesus’s birth.

>That doesn't prove anything about populations migrating.

It doesn’t disprove either which is the point. What it does prove is room to doubt. How many people can tell the difference between an Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Saudi Arabian, Palestinian, Turk, Afghani, and Kuwaiti, just by looking at them? I can’t. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t those who can, but that covers a wide area and thee all look similar. Someone is moving from somewhere. The question is from where?

>No it's not. And it's not a "seperation", it just highlights a >population cluster. As I said it is a sliding scale, but there are >still distinct clusters nonetheless.

>>http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/illusion.html see
>>the “checker shadow illusion”. The circles in the chart are
>>not to that extreme but creates the illusion all the same.

>I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. It's just a circle, taking it >away doesn't do anything to disprove the population cluster.

It’s not ridiculous and it’s not just a circle. It’s marketing, advertising, it’s a manipulation of perception.

>>We both agree that according to the charts the Greeks and
>>Turks are close genetically. Why is not possible that the
>>modern day Arabs did not come from the Asia Minor area?
>>Taking into account that once there, adopted the traditions of
>>the indigenous peoples and for centuries breeding only with
>>those who follow those traditions.

>Because besides the fact that there is zero historical or >archeological evidence which even hints at this, if it were true >then the Saudis would be closer to the Turks on that chart than to >the Ashkenazi Jews, Syrians, Palestinians and Lebanese.

http://www.country-studies.com/saudi-arabia/diversity-and-social-stratification.html

The territory that in 1992 constituted the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia consisted of four distinct regions and diverse populations. Each region has sustained some measure of nomadic and seminomadic population: as recently as 1950, at least one-half the total population of the kingdom was estimated to be nomadic.

This I took from the above link starting at the second sentence. Could that explain it?

Another angle that is not being looked at is the Hebrews being nomadic for a period of time as well. After being enslaved in Egypt for hundreds of years. Mosheh leading the Hebrews out of Egypt, after living in the palace of Egyptian Pharaoh as his grandson, to Canaan where they established the Jewish state. Now here come the historic references for invasion that you seek. The Assyrians invade Judah around 701 B.C. The Assyrians are from the Asia Minor area (present day Turkey) and Syria. From what I’ve read it seems that it was common practice for conquering people to adopt the religions and gods of those conquered.

>>Not enough German, Austrian, and Russian converts to affect
>>the population.

>That still doesn't explain why they're closer to the Greeks

Sure it does. What helps to support it is the Persian and Macedonian empires. The Persian reaching Greece and the Macedonia originating in Greece. How does one get from Persia to Greece and Greece to Persia? Answer: Turkey also known at Asia Minor.

>>Did you see the pictures on
>>the web site? Who do you think more closely resembles the
>>description of skin like burnt brass and hair like lambs wool?
>> The Lembas or todays jews? From that description what group
>>would you say jesus was descended from?

>So you are gonna base an empirical assessment of his ethnicity on a >second-hand at best anecdotal description? And what does that >description prove anyway? Israel's a desert climate and JC walked >around in sandals all day - how's he NOT gonna have feet like >burnt brass?

My grandfather worked construction jobs, he'd work outside all day in the summer with his shirt off and when he'd come home my mom said his back looked like bronze... and he was Irish, straight from the bog. Give him a Jewish afro for the hair like wool, and I guess he could've fit that description of Jesus too. Which is funny, cuz he was whiter than Jim Caviezel.

Are you serious?

First off bronze is not BURNT brass. Secondly, Jewish afro?? What? Like Gene Wilder’s? Have you ever touched wool? That stuff is think and course. Sweaters made from the stuff scratch and itch the skin. I have yet to see a pale jew or arab with tight curled hair that water beads on. Now my tight wooly fro is hair of a different texture.

>>They know how they got to where they are
>>and are not going to let it happen to them. We’s here now and
>>we’s here to stay.

>Yeah, they've been really fortunate with the pogroms and holocausts >and all that.

Again you disappoint.


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I find it difficult that people are struggling with this...
as if mixing blacks and whites don't creat olive tone skinned people... it's buggin me out people would even question this...

  

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when you first realized you were lied to.

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validated... cause even as a child I saw the obvious contradictions in the Bible... it's just I was told 'oh don't worry about that' or 'oh that's not important'... so I knew they were holding out...
what about you? Good question too...

  

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>what about you? Good question too...

Pissed. The dawning of the truth was a slow process for me. Raised to respect my elders and listen. Then to watch them try and cover up the inconsistencies over the years as I was pointing them out. It was jaw dropping. I'm like, I'm a kid and a see this is some bullshit. The blind faith they held from indoctination, that shit turned me off to religion completely. "Jesus didn't originally come for us. But if you accept in your heart that he died for our sins you'll go to heaven." What kind of shit is that? Black folks were an afterthought to god? This is what my sunday school teacher was teaching us kids while we ate pork sausage biscuit sandwiches. They soon moved me to a older level class because I was making it hard for her to teach.

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>The argument is: The people who are in the region today that
>are called jews and arabs as shown on news casts and such,
>olive tone skin soft curly to straight hair, are not the
>original population of the area.

Yeah, that's what I said.

>You do realize Iranians consider themselves descended from
>Persians while Iraqis don’t?

No, you were talking about Afghans and Pakistanis and wondering if the modern-day Jews originated there because of the empires and invasions of the era, I'm saying you do realize the people from those areas GOT conquered, they weren't the ones doing the invading and moving around.

In what region did the Assyrian
>empire begin? Or the Persian?

The Assyrian empire began in the northern Mesopotamia region, the Persian empire began on the Iranian plateau.

>Did the Persian empire sprout
>up from within the Babylonian empire?

No, the Persian empire invaded and conquered the Babylonian empire.

>40th what are you doing man? I thought you were above this
>kind of stuff. The title of the post is: "Why Can't People
>Accept that Jesus was African?" African meaning black like
>the people of the continent Africa.

Doing what? You are saying the indigenous population of the Levant was African, I'm asking where are you getting this from? Or are you just posing it as a possibility?

>This study does not show the opposite. Did they sample ALL
>the people of these areas meaning black arabs, or just the
>folk who are assume indigenous to the area?

How many black arabs are in the areas they sampled though? I know about the black populations near Basra in Iraq and Mecca in Saudi Arabia, but how many are in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria? I remember there was a black Palestinian in the Olympics, but over the past 5 years I've seen tons of palestinians on the news and that's the only black Palestinian I've seen. I've seen tons of Lebanese people too, never saw a black one. So I don't know how many there are to sample in these areas anyway.

Furthermore, are you assuming the black populations there are indigenous? (see below)

>The agenda of the
>study was to see if the people we know as Jews today are a
>product intermixing and conversion. Now if you go into the
>study under the assumption that the olive toned people of the
>region today would have been the people that the Jews of today
>would have intermixed with for conversion then there is a flaw
>in the study. Do you see what I’m saying?

No, I don't see what you're saying... the study was to see how much intermixing there was between European Jews and the surrounding European populations they lived among, not Jews and olive-toned people of the Levant today.

>If you assume that
>people who look like Arafat are the people that would have
>been intermixed with when in reality they are all the same
>people who did not originate in the area then the study is
>flawed.

Occam's razor - you are making an assumption based on nothing, therefore it has no place in a scientific study.

>Look at where the lemba’s ended up. But the
>study doesn’t consider them indigenous to the area.

All the study says is that the Lemba group was located halfway between the Jewish cluster and sub-Saharan African cluster. So by that logic the study doesn't consider them indigenous to sub-Saharan Africa either.

>likely the same attitude they took in relation to other black
>groups in the area. Again I point to Zewari’s post as
>mentioned before.

Zewari's post mentions that most of the black population in Mecca traces back to West Africa, and that the Blacks in Basra trace back to East African slaves.... so they're not indigenous to the area.

>The point I was making with this is the two separate tribe
>shit is made up. The people know it was made but look how
>ingrained it is in their psyche. This was done in less than
>100 years.

And the point I was making is that this false identity was foisted upon them by their conquerers; the conquerers did not adopt false identities for themselves. Why would they?

>Compare that to a group of people claiming
>something that is not theirs for over a thousand years. Is it
>any truer? No. Do they believe its true? For the most part
>hell yes. Best believe that there are those in their ranks
>that know and hide the truth.

Who? The Learned Elders of the Sons of Zion?

>It doesn’t disprove either which is the point. What it does
>prove is room to doubt.

Not really. There is no evidence of mass migrations from other regions of those empires into the Levant.

>How many people can tell the
>difference between an Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Saudi Arabian,
>Palestinian, Turk, Afghani, and Kuwaiti, just by looking at
>them? I can’t. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t those who
>can, but that covers a wide area and thee all look similar.
>Someone is moving from somewhere. The question is from
>where?

I can't tell the difference between a person from Iceland and Finland either, that don't mean they're the same people.

>It’s not ridiculous and it’s not just a circle. It’s
>marketing, advertising, it’s a manipulation of perception.

No, it's just a circle. And I repeat; IT'S A SLIDING SCALE. The southern Europeans are closer to the Mid-east populations than the northern Europeans, but the European groups still cluster together without other populations in between them, and you don't need a circle to see that. Is that an illusion too?

>This I took from the above link starting at the second
>sentence. Could that explain it?

That explains that there are populations in Saudi Arabia that have links to other places, it doesn't suggest that the Arabs that claim descent from the original Arab tribes migrated from those areas.

>Another angle that is not being looked at is the Hebrews being
>nomadic for a period of time as well. After being enslaved in
>Egypt for hundreds of years. Mosheh leading the Hebrews out
>of Egypt, after living in the palace of Egyptian Pharaoh as
>his grandson, to Canaan where they established the Jewish
>state.

You do realize that there is no historical or archaeological evidence for the Exodus, right?

>Now here come the historic references for invasion
>that you seek. The Assyrians invade Judah around 701 B.C.
>The Assyrians are from the Asia Minor area (present day
>Turkey) and Syria.

The Assyrians were from Northern Iraq and Syria, not Asia Minor.

>From what I’ve read it seems that it was
>common practice for conquering people to adopt the religions
>and gods of those conquered.

But there's no record or evidence of the Assyrians doing this in Judah as far as I know.

>Sure it does. What helps to support it is the Persian and
>Macedonian empires. The Persian reaching Greece and the
>Macedonia originating in Greece. How does one get from Persia
>to Greece and Greece to Persia? Answer: Turkey also known at
>Asia Minor.

OK, first of all you said "All the chart proves is once in this area the people tent to breed amongst themselves for thousands of years. No more no less." What I said was if that was the case then why weren't the Askenazi closer to northern Europeans, meaning they didn't intermix with the Northern Europeans very much (at least on the paternal side).

As for the Greeks, the majority of Greece was never conquered by the Persians. The Macedonians conquering Persia doesn't matter here because it was mostly Greek and Macedonian male soldiers going into Asia Minor & Persia, so if you are suggesting the Jews originate in Asia Minor or Persia that's irrelevant to this study because it wasn't Persian/Asia Minor males going into Greece, so there wouldn't be an inflow of male Y-chromosomes from Persia/Asia Minor into Greece.

>First off bronze is not BURNT brass. Secondly, Jewish afro??
>What? Like Gene Wilder’s? Have you ever touched wool? That
>stuff is think and course. Sweaters made from the stuff
>scratch and itch the skin.

First off, bronze is darker than brass. Second off, how burnt was the brass? Just singed? seared? charred? scorched? Third, yeah Jewish afro - and if Gene Wilder has the most extreme Jewfro you've seen, you must not have seen many. Fourth, isn't it lamb's wool? Isn't lamb's wool softer than sheep's wool?

>I have yet to see a pale jew or
>arab with tight curled hair that water beads on. Now my tight
>wooly fro is hair of a different texture.

So water beads on wool? So I can walk out in the rain in a wool sweater and it won't get soaked, the water will just bead up on the wool?

LOL - you're missing my point: it's merely an anecdotal description, and a second-hand one at that... it's pretty meaningless to try to use as empirical evidence to prove what he actually looked like.

>Again you disappoint.

As do you. You've shown that your allowing your prejudice to guide your opinion on the matter.

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>>The argument is: The people who are in the region today that
>>are called jews and arabs as shown on news casts and such,
>>olive tone skin soft curly to straight hair, are not the
>>original population of the area.

>Yeah, that's what I said.

Then what are we debating about? The refute to jesus being African is that these people ARE the original population of the area. Thus he looked like them.

>No, you were talking about Afghans and Pakistanis and wondering if >the modern-day Jews originated there because of the empires and >invasions of the era, I'm saying you do realize the people from >those areas GOT conquered, they weren't the ones doing the >invading and moving around.

What happened was. You asked if they are not indigenous peoples then where did they come from. I offered those regions and you explained how that couldn’t be. Being that the Persian invaded into that area as oppose to the other way around. Fine, we’ll move on.

>>40th what are you doing man? I thought you were above this
>>kind of stuff. The title of the post is: "Why Can't People
>>Accept that Jesus was African?" African meaning black like
>>the people of the continent Africa.

>Doing what? You are saying the indigenous population of the Levant >was African, I'm asking where are you getting this from? Or are you >just posing it as a possibility?

Yes, I am posing it at a possibility. Before you go into no evidence to support this. Know that the Egyptian empire 1450 B.C. stretched Into the Levant.

>>This study does not show the opposite. Did they sample ALL
>>the people of these areas meaning black arabs, or just the
>>folk who are assume indigenous to the area?

>How many black arabs are in the areas they sampled though? I know >about the black populations near Basra in Iraq and Mecca in Saudi >Arabia, but how many are in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria? I >remember there was a black Palestinian in the Olympics, but over >the past 5 years I've seen tons of palestinians on the news and >that's the only black Palestinian I've seen. I've seen tons of >Lebanese people too, never saw a black one. So I don't know how >many there are to sample in these areas anyway.

Same with Egypt but we ALL KNOW they are there.

>>The agenda of the
>>study was to see if the people we know as Jews today are a
>>product intermixing and conversion. Now if you go into the
>>study under the assumption that the olive toned people of the
>>region today would have been the people that the Jews of today
>>would have intermixed with for conversion then there is a flaw
>>in the study. Do you see what I’m saying?

>No, I don't see what you're saying... the study was to see how much >intermixing there was between European Jews and the surrounding >European populations they lived among, not Jews and olive-toned >people of the Levant today.

Come on. You know this study was put together to justify the European Jews grant of the state of Israel. Showing they are still very strongly linked genetically to the peoples of the region thus proving it is rightfully their homeland.

Quote from the article with the chart:

“The analysis provides genetic witness that these communities have, to a remarkable extent, retained their biological identity separate from their host populations, evidence of relatively little intermarriage or conversion into Judaism over the centuries.
Another finding, paradoxical but unsurprising, is that by the yardstick of the Y chromosome, the world's Jewish communities closely resemble not only each other but also Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese, suggesting that all are descended from a common ancestral population that inhabited the Middle East some four thousand years ago.
Dr. Lawrence H. Schiffman, chairman of the department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies at New York University, said the study fit with historical evidence that Jews originated in the Near East and with biblical evidence suggesting that there were a variety of families and types in the original population. He said the finding would cause "a lot of discussion of the relationship of scientific evidence to the manner in which we evaluate long-held academic and personal religious positions," like the question of who is a Jew.
The study, reported in today's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was conducted by Dr. Michael F. Hammer of the University of Arizona with colleagues in the United States, Italy, Israel, England and South Africa. The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism.”
>>If you assume that
>>people who look like Arafat are the people that would have
>>been intermixed with when in reality they are all the same
>>people who did not originate in the area then the study is
>>flawed.

>Occam's razor - you are making an assumption based on nothing, >therefore it has no place in a scientific study.

It’s based on what was written in the article that went along with the chart.

>>Look at where the lemba’s ended up. But the
>>study doesn’t consider them indigenous to the area.

>All the study says is that the Lemba group was located halfway >between the Jewish cluster and sub-Saharan African cluster. So by >that logic the study doesn't consider them indigenous to sub->Saharan Africa either.

That logic only applies if the studies intent is to show that the European Jews are more closely genetically related to the peoples of that area, and those people are the original people of that entire area.

>>It doesn’t disprove either which is the point. What it does
>>prove is room to doubt.

>Not really. There is no evidence of mass migrations from other >regions of those empires into the Levant.

I-N-V-A-S-I-O-N-S.

>>How many people can tell the
>>difference between an Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Saudi Arabian,
>>Palestinian, Turk, Afghani, and Kuwaiti, just by looking at
>>them? I can’t. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t those who
>>can, but that covers a wide area and thee all look similar.
>>Someone is moving from somewhere. The question is from
>>where?

>I can't tell the difference between a person from Iceland and >Finland either, that don't mean they're the same people.

Doesn’t mean they are not either.

>>This I took from the above link starting at the second
>>sentence. Could that explain it?

>That explains that there are populations in Saudi Arabia that have >links to other places, it doesn't suggest that the Arabs that >claim descent from the original Arab tribes migrated from those >areas.

50%? It might not prove but it sure creates room for doubt.

>>Another angle that is not being looked at is the Hebrews being
>>nomadic for a period of time as well. After being enslaved in
>>Egypt for hundreds of years. Mosheh leading the Hebrews out
>>of Egypt, after living in the palace of Egyptian Pharaoh as
>>his grandson, to Canaan where they established the Jewish
>>state.

>You do realize that there is no historical or archaeological >evidence for the Exodus, right?

To state NO historical or archaeological evidence is incorrect. Little maybe but none is incorrect. See Ipuwar Papyrus.

>>Now here come the historic references for invasion
>>that you seek. The Assyrians invade Judah around 701 B.C.
>>The Assyrians are from the Asia Minor area (present day
>>Turkey) and Syria.

>The Assyrians were from Northern Iraq and Syria, not Asia Minor

Not necessarily true. The Assyrian ruler Adad-nirari III invaded Syria in 806 B.C. You can’t invade into your point of origin. He died around 783 B.C.

Then Tiglath-pileser III became king of Assyria in 745 B.C. Tiglath-pileser III conquered the Syrian allies of Urartu at Arpad and the Medes on the Iranian plateau, declaring that he "smashed them like pots." Then he turned their lands into Assyrian provinces, reorganized the army by replacing conscription with permanent contingents from around the empire, and broke the power of the lords by reforming the administration into smaller districts directly accountable to the king. Massive deportations were used to break up regional loyalties. In 744 BC 65,000 Iranians were displaced, and later 154,000 were moved. 30,000 Syrians were sent to the Zagros mountains, while 18,000 Aramaeans from the Tigris area went to northern Syria. Such policies increased the hatred of Assyria, and thus rebellions would continue in the years ahead anyway.

I’m getting this from : http://www.san.beck.org/EC6-Assyria.html

After this paragraph it goes into how his son went on to deport 27,290 Israelites.

>OK, first of all you said "All the chart proves is once in this >area the people tent to breed amongst themselves for thousands of >years. No more no less." What I said was if that was the case then >why weren't the Askenazi closer to northern Europeans, meaning they >didn't intermix with the Northern Europeans very much (at least on >the paternal side).

You mean didn’t intermix much on the maternal side. To intermix on the paternal would still pass the “marked Y-chromosome” on while mixing on the maternal side would introduce new Y-chromosome.

>As for the Greeks, the majority of Greece was never conquered by >the Persians. The Macedonians conquering Persia doesn't matter >here because it was mostly Greek and Macedonian male soldiers >going into Asia Minor & Persia, so if you are suggesting the Jews >originate in Asia Minor or Persia that's irrelevant to this study >because it wasn't Persian/Asia Minor males going into Greece, so >there wouldn't be an inflow of male Y-chromosomes from Persia/Asia >Minor into Greece.

This is flawed. First the Persians don’t need to conquer the majority of Greece to introduce their Y. The Conquered Macedonia which in turn conquered all of Greece before beginning the Macedonian Empire.

>>First off bronze is not BURNT brass. Secondly, Jewish afro??
>>What? Like Gene Wilder’s? Have you ever touched wool? That
>>stuff is think and course. Sweaters made from the stuff
>>scratch and itch the skin.

>First off, bronze is darker than brass. Second off, how burnt was >the brass? Just singed? seared? charred? scorched? Third, yeah >Jewish afro - and if Gene Wilder has the most extreme Jewfro you've >seen, you must not have seen many. Fourth, isn't it lamb's wool? >Isn't lamb's wool softer than sheep's wool?

Go to a petting zoo then let me know what you discovered. As far as extreme Jewfro everyone has seen those soft ass curly bouncing loches they have hanging from the sides of their hair. Burnt is burnt. Burnt is darker than your grandaddy’s irish skin after a day of working in the sun with his shirt. Now that I think about it. Irish folk are know for going straight red from being in the sun too long. I think you are making shit up. And I am talking Irish folk I know straight off the boat from Ireland.

>>I have yet to see a pale jew or
>>arab with tight curled hair that water beads on. Now my tight
>>wooly fro is hair of a different texture.

I have to take this back. Because Sammy Davis Jr. shit was tight and so is Whoopi’s

>So water beads on wool? So I can walk out in the rain in a wool >sweater and it won't get soaked, the water will just bead up on the >wool?

Have you ever seen a black persons afro when wet? In the sun the beads of water caught in the tight curls make it look bejeweled. It’s still soaked and the scalp is still wet. Not the same on white folk with a loosely curled fro. That shit lay down and curl up at the end. Take some water with you on your trip to the petting zoo. You’ll see.

>LOL - you're missing my point: it's merely an anecdotal >description, and a second-hand one at that... it's pretty >meaningless to try to use as empirical evidence to prove what he >actually looked like.

Not missing the point. What in the book called “God’s Word” isn’t second hand?



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>Then what are we debating about? The refute to jesus being
>African is that these people ARE the original population of
>the area. Thus he looked like them.

You first said that the people in the region now aren't the original inhabitants, then you said the original inhabitants are still there but marginalized out of the power structure. I was trying to clarify what your argument is exactly.

>Yes, I am posing it at a possibility. Before you go into no
>evidence to support this. Know that the Egyptian empire 1450
>B.C. stretched Into the Levant.

OK. But the Egyptians didn't colonize the area, they just conquered it and exacted tribute. And either way there were people there already, so the Egyptians wouldn't be the indigenous population there, would they?

>Same with Egypt but we ALL KNOW they are there.

It's not the same though: we know that there are indigenous black populations in Egypt, but we don't likewise know that the black populations in the levant are indigenous, particularly with the prevalence the slave trade had in the middle east.

>Come on. You know this study was put together to justify the
>European Jews grant of the state of Israel. Showing they are
>still very strongly linked genetically to the peoples of the
>region thus proving it is rightfully their homeland.
>
>Quote from the article with the chart:

That is not what I was talking about, and anyway those quotes are from the NY Times article, not the study itself. And this is far from the only such genetic population study ever done; the fact that people will politicize this particular one is not the scientists' fault.

Furthermore, if you think "the people who look like Arafat" don't originate in that area either, what do you care if the European Jews claim their land?

>It’s based on what was written in the article that went along
>with the chart.

No it's not. You're basing it on your own assumptions and opinion.

>>All the study says is that the Lemba group was located
>halfway >between the Jewish cluster and sub-Saharan African
>cluster. So by >that logic the study doesn't consider them
>indigenous to sub->Saharan Africa either.
>
>That logic only applies if the studies intent is to show that
>the European Jews are more closely genetically related to the
>peoples of that area, and those people are the original people
>of that entire area.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

>>Not really. There is no evidence of mass migrations from
>other >regions of those empires into the Levant.
>
>I-N-V-A-S-I-O-N-S.

M-A-S-S M-I-G-R-A-T-I-O-N-S. As in, populations move in and settle the area, not just armies invade and conquer.

>>I can't tell the difference between a person from Iceland and
>>Finland either, that don't mean they're the same people.
>
>Doesn’t mean they are not either.

Thing is, they're not... but can you tell the difference?

>50%? It might not prove but it sure creates room for doubt.

50% of what? I didn't see that figure in that link.

>To state NO historical or archaeological evidence is
>incorrect. Little maybe but none is incorrect. See Ipuwar
>Papyrus.

I checked that out and saw some stuff about plagues in Egypt, I didn't see anything about Moses leading Hebrew slaves out of Egypt to the promised land. So I stand by my statement.

>Not necessarily true. The Assyrian ruler Adad-nirari III
>invaded Syria in 806 B.C. You can’t invade into your point of
>origin. He died around 783 B.C.

OK, so they originated in Northern Mesopotamia and then spread into Syria.

>Then Tiglath-pileser III became king of Assyria in 745 B.C.
>Tiglath-pileser III conquered the Syrian allies of Urartu at
>Arpad and the Medes on the Iranian plateau, declaring that he
>"smashed them like pots." Then he turned their lands into
>Assyrian provinces, reorganized the army by replacing
>conscription with permanent contingents from around the
>empire, and broke the power of the lords by reforming the
>administration into smaller districts directly accountable to
>the king. Massive deportations were used to break up regional
>loyalties. In 744 BC 65,000 Iranians were displaced, and later
>154,000 were moved. 30,000 Syrians were sent to the Zagros
>mountains, while 18,000 Aramaeans from the Tigris area went to
>northern Syria. Such policies increased the hatred of Assyria,
>and thus rebellions would continue in the years ahead anyway.
>
>I’m getting this from :
>http://www.san.beck.org/EC6-Assyria.html
>
>After this paragraph it goes into how his son went on to
>deport 27,290 Israelites.

OK, and what does any of this have to do with the Assyrians being from Asia Minor?

>You mean didn’t intermix much on the maternal side. To
>intermix on the paternal would still pass the “marked
>Y-chromosome” on while mixing on the maternal side would
>introduce new Y-chromosome.

No, intermixing on the maternal side has no effect on the Y-chromosome, it's only passed down from the paternal side.

>This is flawed. First the Persians don’t need to conquer the
>majority of Greece to introduce their Y. The Conquered
>Macedonia which in turn conquered all of Greece before
>beginning the Macedonian Empire.

That is flawed because the Persians didn't conquer Macedonia by invasion, Macedonia submitted without a fight and became a subject state of the Persian empire. You are stuck on this concept of conquest = mass influx of conquerers' genes, when this is very often not the case.

>Go to a petting zoo then let me know what you discovered.

Or I could just go into my closet and feel my wool sweater. Anyway you were talking about sheep's wool, I just asked isn't lamb's wool softer?

>far as extreme Jewfro everyone has seen those soft ass curly
>bouncing loches they have hanging from the sides of their
>hair.

LOL - those are side locks, not Jewfros.

Anyway, this is all irrelevant because I just looked up what the bible passage actually says: "And his head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow" ... so it is actually talking about the color of his hair, not it's texture.

> Burnt is burnt. Burnt is darker than your grandaddy’s
>irish skin after a day of working in the sun with his shirt.

Again, the passage actually says: "and his feet like unto burnished brass, as if it had been refined in a furnace" So no, burnt is not burnt, at least not in this case.

>Now that I think about it. Irish folk are know for going
>straight red from being in the sun too long. I think you are
>making shit up. And I am talking Irish folk I know straight
>off the boat from Ireland.

So no Irish people can get a suntan? I'm lying about my grandfather getting a tan working out in the sun all day? Yeah ok, whatever.

>Have you ever seen a black persons afro when wet? In the sun
>the beads of water caught in the tight curls make it look
>bejeweled. It’s still soaked and the scalp is still wet.

I was being facetious, because this beading water argument's got nothing to do with nothing.

>Not the same on white folk with a loosely curled fro. That
>shit lay down and curl up at the end. Take some water with you
>on your trip to the petting zoo. You’ll see.

Again, WTF are you talking about? Where is the passage that says how water beads on his head?

>Not missing the point. What in the book called “God’s Word”
>isn’t second hand?

Nothing. But you *are* missing the point, because the same passage also says "and his eyes were as a flame of fire... and his countenance as the sun shining in its might." So unless JC was pyrokinetic and radioactive, this is not a literal description of what he actually may have looked like.

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>>Then what are we debating about? The refute to jesus being
>>African is that these people ARE the original population of
>>the area. Thus he looked like them.
>
>You first said that the people in the region now aren't the
>original inhabitants, then you said the original inhabitants
>are still there but marginalized out of the power structure. I
>was trying to clarify what your argument is exactly.
>
My argument exactly, is that the chart you provided does not lend to clear proof that jesus was not African.

>>Come on. You know this study was put together to justify
>the
>>European Jews grant of the state of Israel. Showing they
>are
>>still very strongly linked genetically to the peoples of the
>>region thus proving it is rightfully their homeland.
>>
>>Quote from the article with the chart:
>
>That is not what I was talking about, and anyway those quotes
>are from the NY Times article, not the study itself. And this
>is far from the only such genetic population study ever done;
>the fact that people will politicize this particular one is
>not the scientists' fault.
>
>Furthermore, if you think "the people who look like Arafat"
>don't originate in that area either, what do you care if the
>European Jews claim their land?
>

Next time post the study. It will cut down on a lot of confusion. As far as claiming the land I didn't say I cared one way or the other. I was stating the intent of that article that accompanied the chart in the link you provided.


>>It’s based on what was written in the article that went
>along
>>with the chart.
>
>No it's not. You're basing it on your own assumptions and
>opinion.

The people who wrote that article are going on the assumption that the people in the region today were there then. Ergo the studies chart shows the Ashkenazi belong.

>>>All the study says is that the Lemba group was located
>>halfway >between the Jewish cluster and sub-Saharan African
>>cluster. So by >that logic the study doesn't consider them
>>indigenous to sub->Saharan Africa either.
>>
>>That logic only applies if the studies intent is to show
>that
>>the European Jews are more closely genetically related to
>the
>>peoples of that area, and those people are the original
>people
>>of that entire area.
>
>That has nothing to do with what I said.
>
>>>Not really. There is no evidence of mass migrations from
>>other >regions of those empires into the Levant.
>>
>>I-N-V-A-S-I-O-N-S.
>
>M-A-S-S M-I-G-R-A-T-I-O-N-S. As in, populations move in and
>settle the area, not just armies invade and conquer.

I gave you the link telling how the Assyrians forcably moved populations.

>>50%? It might not prove but it sure creates room for doubt.
>
>50% of what? I didn't see that figure in that link.

Like Prego spaghetti sauce, "It's in there".

>>To state NO historical or archaeological evidence is
>>incorrect. Little maybe but none is incorrect. See Ipuwar
>>Papyrus.
>
>I checked that out and saw some stuff about plagues in Egypt,
>I didn't see anything about Moses leading Hebrew slaves out of
>Egypt to the promised land. So I stand by my statement.
>
>>Not necessarily true. The Assyrian ruler Adad-nirari III
>>invaded Syria in 806 B.C. You can’t invade into your point
>of
>>origin. He died around 783 B.C.
>
>OK, so they originated in Northern Mesopotamia and then spread
>into Syria.
>
>>Then Tiglath-pileser III became king of Assyria in 745 B.C.
>>Tiglath-pileser III conquered the Syrian allies of Urartu at
>>Arpad and the Medes on the Iranian plateau, declaring that
>he
>>"smashed them like pots." Then he turned their lands into
>>Assyrian provinces, reorganized the army by replacing
>>conscription with permanent contingents from around the
>>empire, and broke the power of the lords by reforming the
>>administration into smaller districts directly accountable
>to
>>the king. Massive deportations were used to break up
>regional
>>loyalties. In 744 BC 65,000 Iranians were displaced, and
>later
>>154,000 were moved. 30,000 Syrians were sent to the Zagros
>>mountains, while 18,000 Aramaeans from the Tigris area went
>to
>>northern Syria. Such policies increased the hatred of
>Assyria,
>>and thus rebellions would continue in the years ahead
>anyway.
>>
>>I’m getting this from :
>>http://www.san.beck.org/EC6-Assyria.html
>>
>>After this paragraph it goes into how his son went on to
>>deport 27,290 Israelites.
>
>OK, and what does any of this have to do with the Assyrians
>being from Asia Minor?

Nothing. It does deal with the moving of populations that you claimed there is no evidence of.

>>You mean didn’t intermix much on the maternal side. To
>>intermix on the paternal would still pass the “marked
>>Y-chromosome” on while mixing on the maternal side would
>>introduce new Y-chromosome.
>
>No, intermixing on the maternal side has no effect on the
>Y-chromosome, it's only passed down from the paternal side.

That's what I said.

Your words: What I said was if that was the case then >why weren't the Askenazi closer to northern Europeans, meaning they >didn't intermix with the Northern Europeans very much (at least on >the paternal side).

I was correcting you. So to be clear. I figured that was what you meant.

>>This is flawed. First the Persians don’t need to conquer
>the
>>majority of Greece to introduce their Y. The Conquered
>>Macedonia which in turn conquered all of Greece before
>>beginning the Macedonian Empire.
>
>That is flawed because the Persians didn't conquer Macedonia
>by invasion, Macedonia submitted without a fight and became a
>subject state of the Persian empire. You are stuck on this
>concept of conquest = mass influx of conquerers' genes, when
>this is very often not the case.

Ain't that something. I'll study up on that.

>>Go to a petting zoo then let me know what you discovered.
>
>Or I could just go into my closet and feel my wool sweater.
>Anyway you were talking about sheep's wool, I just asked isn't
>lamb's wool softer?
>
>>far as extreme Jewfro everyone has seen those soft ass curly
>>bouncing loches they have hanging from the sides of their
>>hair.
>
>LOL - those are side locks, not Jewfros.

I know they are. I was pointing out hair texture. Which your following statement now shows to be irrelevant.

>Anyway, this is all irrelevant because I just looked up what
>the bible passage actually says: "And his head and his hair
>were white as white wool, white as snow" ... so it is actually
>talking about the color of his hair, not it's texture.
>
>> Burnt is burnt. Burnt is darker than your grandaddy’s
>>irish skin after a day of working in the sun with his shirt.
>
>
>Again, the passage actually says: "and his feet like unto
>burnished brass, as if it had been refined in a furnace" So
>no, burnt is not burnt, at least not in this case.

Depending on the version or interpretation. Some say burnished as you point out. Some say refinished or refined. While still others say as burned in a furnace.

>>Now that I think about it. Irish folk are know for going
>>straight red from being in the sun too long. I think you
>are
>>making shit up. And I am talking Irish folk I know straight
>>off the boat from Ireland.
>
>So no Irish people can get a suntan? I'm lying about my
>grandfather getting a tan working out in the sun all day? Yeah
>ok, whatever.

I just saying what I have observed with my own eyes on many occasions with peoples and families I know to be Irish. They are very faired skin. Even those with freckles. When they tan they turn red then peel. You said this is by you mothers account so that makes it second hand. I'm not really arguing the getting tanned part just the degree to which his tan darkened to. It's a matter of perspective.

>>Have you ever seen a black persons afro when wet? In the
>sun
>>the beads of water caught in the tight curls make it look
>>bejeweled. It’s still soaked and the scalp is still wet.
>
>I was being facetious, because this beading water argument's
>got nothing to do with nothing.

It did when we were arguing texture. Again you rendered that irrelevant
.
>>Not the same on white folk with a loosely curled fro. That
>>shit lay down and curl up at the end. Take some water with
>you
>>on your trip to the petting zoo. You’ll see.
>
>Again, WTF are you talking about? Where is the passage that
>says how water beads on his head?
>
>>Not missing the point. What in the book called “God’s Word”
>>isn’t second hand?
>
>Nothing. But you *are* missing the point, because the same
>passage also says "and his eyes were as a flame of fire... and
>his countenance as the sun shining in its might." So unless JC
>was pyrokinetic and radioactive, this is not a literal
>description of what he actually may have looked like.
>
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>My argument exactly, is that the chart you provided does not
>lend to clear proof that jesus was not African.

I did not provide it as such.

>Next time post the study. It will cut down on a lot of
>confusion.

The article served the purpose of my original post. And the big "The New York Times" logo at the beginning should've cut down any confusion off the bat.

>As far as claiming the land I didn't say I cared
>one way or the other. I was stating the intent of that
>article that accompanied the chart in the link you provided.

The article says that Jews and Palestinians are closely related and both descend from a common ancestral Middle Eastern population - I don't see how that justifies the European Jews grant of the state of Israel over the Palestinians.

>The people who wrote that article are going on the assumption
>that the people in the region today were there then. Ergo the
>studies chart shows the Ashkenazi belong.

I'm talking about your assumption that they don't originate from there. And anyway the study shows the Palestinians belong too, so I still fail to see how this is some Zionist ploy.

>I gave you the link telling how the Assyrians forcably moved
>populations.

And it says nothing about Assyrians migrating into those areas, it says the deportations were used to consolidate power by breaking up regional loyalties.

>Like Prego spaghetti sauce, "It's in there".

OK, it says half the population in 1950 was nomadic, but nomadic does not equate to originating outside Arabia.

>>OK, and what does any of this have to do with the Assyrians
>>being from Asia Minor?
>
>Nothing. It does deal with the moving of populations that you
>claimed there is no evidence of.

1. you said the Assyrians are from the Asia Minor area and Syria, I responded by saying that they were from Northern Iraq and Syria, not Asia Minor, then you responded with this stuff, which is why I asked that.

2. What I claimed was "There is no evidence of mass migrations from other regions of those empires into the Levant." This does not deal with that.

>>No, intermixing on the maternal side has no effect on the
>>Y-chromosome, it's only passed down from the paternal side.
>
>That's what I said.

No it's not; you said "... while mixing on the maternal side would introduce new Y-chromosome." - mixing on the maternal side would not introduce any new Y-chromosome.

>Depending on the version or interpretation. Some say
>burnished as you point out. Some say refinished or refined.
>While still others say as burned in a furnace.

The most literal translation (Young's Literal Translation) is "and his feet like to fine brass, as in a furnace having been fired" Anyway it doesn't matter because that account in Revelation is a prophetic vision of Christ's second coming, not an eyewitness account of Jesus walking around Judea at the time.

>I just saying what I have observed with my own eyes on many
>occasions with peoples and families I know to be Irish. They
>are very faired skin. Even those with freckles. When they
>tan they turn red then peel.

Yes, alot are like that, but not all.

>You said this is by you mothers
>account so that makes it second hand. I'm not really arguing
>the getting tanned part just the degree to which his tan
>darkened to. It's a matter of perspective.

That was exactly my point in comparing it to a second hand biblical account full of metaphorical imagery - it's a matter of perspective. Anyway I'm willing to leave it at that.

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take your knowledge of the Sicilians and apply...

  

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Migration.
Read up on Egyptian history, they were invaded... and many people from other lands infiltrated and took over the cities... I cannot believe you think the same people are there... read a little about Egyptian history... I mean c'mon.. .powerful black people with more intelligence then Euro/Western culture EVER had... of course they got invaded... paranoid white folks lived near by.

  

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>Migration.

That's not an answer.

>Read up on Egyptian history, they were invaded... and many
>people from other lands infiltrated and took over the
>cities... I cannot believe you think the same people are
>there...

Invasion does not automatically mean complete replacement of one population with another. In fact that was rarely if ever the case in the ancient world.

>read a little about Egyptian history... I mean
>c'mon.. .powerful black people with more intelligence then
>Euro/Western culture EVER had... of course they got invaded...
>paranoid white folks lived near by.

They got invaded by a bunch of different people, not just Europeans.


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476. "RE: it's more solid than any alternate theories provide"
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..different kind of intelligence. I don't have a bone to pick. But this argument is a little imbalanced, as an African vs European one. At the time of the Egyptians I would still bet you would have primative (in comparison) tribal cultures throughout africa, same as in Europe and the rest of the world.

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EXACTLY!!!!
It's all relative. Well said.

  

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259. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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If the poeple argue over insignificant tidbits as whether Jesus was white or black or any of the colors of the rainbow then we run the risk of eliminating all meaning behind his teachings. By trying to put this phenoma into a box we reduce the event into a simple back-alley freak show. And we still accomplish nothing more than create enemies among ourselves.

  

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Bullshit. This isn't about his teachings... this is about showing you how what you have been taught, is complete bullshit nothing more than lies. That is quite relevant. If it isn't a problem then why comment on it?

  

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Now look at it this way... anytime the current Pope used to be down with the Nazi's... and he's still elected Pope... and he's a older candidate... of course they would lie about certain things to retain their power... of course... it's only right.

  

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well then dont listen to european belief, europeans are still gonna bide by it though, its something they've believed for a long time, at the end of the day, being european myself i can sufficently say i dont give 2 fucks what you believe, whether Islam, rastafari, Jesus was African, jesus visited america whatever.. you can also disagree with the pope, thats not going to make too much difference to the 5 billion odd catholics out there> I know there are europeans and americans (i dont class them as the same nor do i class all europeans as the same, the Gaelic and Basque peoples for example have a compeltely different history eclipsed by the conquerors of Europe, and then people such as the BNP and facist groups high jack that culture and blame the conqueror cultures as going "soft" on black people by tolerating them wankers) who would however feel they need to dictate it, but its a case of falling for propeganda, and i think that swings both ways

  

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318. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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It always does.. .
but when you purposely lie... in order to create superiority complexes and inferiority complexes in order to maintain or sustain your power... it's an agenda. Blacks have supported this agenda unconditionally way too long... as a white person that's easy for you to say cause it's always been in your favor. There is a comfort zone there... however, strip you of that... then respond. But i understand what your saying as well.

  

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This post is the reason that i dont get into religious or political talks with most people, the majority of the public are much too opionated for there own good.

"a-HA" Jadakiss

  

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Collected DNA samples from the Lemba tribe in South Africa, Yemeni (Arab), and Sephardic Jews and Azhkenazi Jews (including Cohanim from both communities) to compare the amount of similarity that existed between each of these groups.

The chromosomal type in the Lemba African (Cohen modal haplotype) that is characteristic of the Jewish priesthood in a frequency that is similar to what you see in major Jewish populations was even stronger in the Lemba tribe than that of the Israeli Jews Rabbinical sect.

You can check this in more detail at the web address below.
www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/lemba.htm


"Oh, and on a sidenote has anyone heard the stoy of Osiris, read "the admonitions of ma'at," checked out the (carbon-dated) dates on the oldest PHYSICAL "scriptures" and compared them too the (carbon dated) dates of the pyramid text?"

  

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376. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Of course it was. It's obvious.
How about this... whites got up on African culture thanks to the Moors predominately. Why do you think they still running their lodges? Grown men.. dressed up like Earth, Wind, and Fire.

  

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378. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Some people just wont concede until they get empirical evidence. Then they put up or shut up.

"Give Me Yo GOD Fool, It's A Full Time Jack Move!"

So that leads me to this question. Do the original authors of religion/religious figures get their credit? If not then it smells like plagarisim. How can something that suppouse to be so "pure" be a copy of a copy of a copy?

Sounds like we need sampling laws in "religion."

Going back into my corner *singing* "Reasons, Reasons that were here."

  

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379. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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hahahaha... now that was funny...
and true...
it is a copy of a copy...
keep in mind there are Christians on here defending the King James Version... the original Torah was suppossedly destroyed and re-written (so legend has it) and most of these stories were already documented in Egypt before the dates they were suppossedly written in religious books...
for example... the story of the Phoenix... the resurrection of Christ... and so on.

  

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385. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Defending the "King James Version" Ha! *oooops*

First I take issue with "KJV" alone. Who was King James? Why is there a "version" of the Bible? Why does King James have his own "version" of the Bible?

The answer to the first question is not Lebron James!

The history of the Bible is very interesting to say the least. People, who defend the Bible hardly can answer those three questions in much detail. Dare, I bring up the Council Of Nicea.

Since, were talking about Christianity why dosen't it have any "antiquities?"

Shroud of Turin *hoax/missing*
"Moses Ten Commandments" *destroyed/missing*
Ark Of the Covenant *hoax/missing/jesus baby mama (see: the davinci code)*

Im starting to sound like a real heathen. Don't let my momma see his post...

  

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388. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Exactly. You know? Faith in many regards means 'just be stupid and go with your gut' namean? it's mad funny...
your right on point... most of these people who have had opinions on the Bible... and know it in their heart... have no understanding of it and have never read it... amazing right? What part of the spell is this?

  

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389. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Spell? It's the magical invocation called "CONTROL" or b.k.a. "You don't question GOD or his/her Messenger's."

I learned it at Hogworths.

A wise man once said "Use the tool that GOD gave you." Or was that a rapper? I get Confucious and Big Gipp mixed up sometimes.

  

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394. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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spell in the sense of it has power as long as you believe in it.
Merlin.

  

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392. "hell..."
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the difference between catholic & protestant bibles is enough to blow my mind....

*shrug*


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messiah like that stranger may be
yours. who holds the subtle knife that
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doors." ~saul wms

  

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393. "RE: hell..."
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What's funny/distrubing about that is the reason there is a division.

"Protest-ants" came about because of a str8 power move

There is no real conflict of ideologies.

Am I the only person who watches the History Channel?

  

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I think all things Christian have been straight power moves disguised... I mean they picked up slaves in slave ships called Mother Mary and Jesus Christ... namean...

  

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400. "RE: hell..."
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That's a whole diffrent issue. Every religion has had an active role in "slavery." The Catholic Church carved up Afrika, Churches still singing about the good ship Jesus, ask the Dalits of India who is responsible for maintaing the caste system, Moslem's went into Afrika ran the Christians out (some parts) and put they foot on the neck of Afrikans.

If you call yourself a Missionary in some parts of the world. You should know how to fight. Knuck If You Buck!

  

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395. "RE: hell..."
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yeah no doubt.... that's real...

  

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398. "RE: hell..."
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the problem is that everybody is claiming a book in which they have no buisness touching. it is our peoples of color history book. it is no religion in it. it is a CREATOR (YHWH) and the rules he gave his people to live (Israel) and also for anybody else who wants to get in that family (step-children "so to speak). with the MESSIAH (Yahshua)fufilling the Law(Torah) and the Prophets. just read the proff if you are confused. www.hebrewisraelites.org

Memorizing now-
MF DOOM- Special Herbs 1 - 9
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Without a parable YAHushua spake not. Matthew 13:34

  

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411. "RE: hell..."
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Well said. In fact damn near perfect.

  

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399. "RE: hell..."
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the problem is that everybody is claiming a book in which they have no buisness touching. it is our peoples of color history book. it is no religion in it. it is a CREATOR (YHWH) and the rules he gave his people to live (Israel) and also for anybody else who wants to get in that family (step-children "so to speak). with the MESSIAH (Yahshua)fufilling the Law(Torah) and the Prophets. just read the proff if you are confused. www.hebrewisraelites.org

Memorizing now-
MF DOOM- Special Herbs 1 - 9
Miles Davis- Sorcerer
J Dilla- Ruff Draft
Yesterday's Universe- Prepare 4 New Yesterday
Onra - CHINOISERIES
Without a parable YAHushua spake not. Matthew 13:34

  

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401. "RE: hell..."
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What's the diffrence between the laws in the "Torah" and the 147 Declarations of Innocence or Admonitions of Maat from The Book of Coming Forth by Day or "The Book of the Dead."

  

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412. "AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!!!"
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STANDS UP AND CHEERS!!!
EXACTLY.

  

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415. "pretty much...."
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my thing is read it ALL, from several corners of the world.

i'm not even halfway thru the list of things i'm trying to get my hands on and i can see the connections...we're all fussing/fighting over the details. ridiculous.

  

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416. "RE: pretty much...."
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true... for example... yesterday a friend returned from China... and brought these pics of a rare group of people who live in the mountains there... interestingly enough my reply was 'wow, their clothes look like the clothes worn by royalty in Ghana... ' and she was like 'yeah... there was a huge network from Africa through Asia... remember it was only named Africa and Asia cause of white folks... before that there was unity'.

  

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419. "there was a lot of contact"
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before euros & others entered the picture...

it's rather amazing to think of what the world must have been like in those days.

  

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402. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3958241.stm


Do some more searching...one can never know. ever.
Believe whatever you want...I just think it's weird to believe he was the son of "god" check out Holy Blood Holy Grail.
Believe what ever makes you feel best...changing anyone's mind on a faith based issue is tough, so why not be content with your own beliefs?
And if anyone knows a thing or two about Christianity in America, they know that it is responsible for many of the "race" issues we have today.

ALL TO POWER TO ALL PEOPLE!

  

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405. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..one point about holy books and literature. If it wisnae for the Scots and the formation of the proddy church (in it's many forms) then you wouldnae have the literature and theoretical texts you enjoy today. What happened in the late middle ages in Britain is as crucial to christianity as the crucifiction itself, i.e. the breaking of the bondage with Catholic domination from Rome and consequently the freeing of the mind, for Europeans. Not so good for the rest of the world mibbe looking at it historically, but another one to toss in the fire if this topics still burning.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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408. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Like i said before people try to make association with (horus,isis,osirus), the trinity was before jesus, laws came from the code of hammurbi or whatever. but the fact still remains the book called the bible is ONE PEOPLES history and redemption story. So it is only for them to understand it. It was written by Hebrews, For Hebrews, and people who want to enter in the Hebrew family. Even the so called New Testament. Read Jerimiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews -12. then see who the bible is talking to. www.hebrewisraelites.org

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Without a parable YAHushua spake not. Matthew 13:34

  

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414. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Well that's one perspective...
I personally feel that since the Europeans stole the information to begin with as they did everything else... they are savages. They should have never touched the sacred information... it automatically shows the devils desire to play God.

  

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417. "If you ever saw God.."
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how would you know it wasn't the Devil?

And vice versa?

Its like the old riddle..


Edit: Furthmore, are you more likely to believe it to be God if he/she was black?

  

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423. "RE: If you ever saw God.."
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Who said Christ was God?
It's not about defining God...
it's about using the basic logistics of where the man was suppossedly born, his interactions with the people, his statements, his actions, and using this data to come to a logical conclusion. Beyond that, your on some ol scoobie doo shit.

  

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472. "But if memory serves me correctly"
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>Who said Christ was God?
>It's not about defining God...
>it's about using the basic logistics of where the man was
>suppossedly born, his interactions with the people, his
>statements, his actions, and using this data to come to a
>logical conclusion. Beyond that, your on some ol scoobie doo
>shit.

Is the Holy Trinity scooby doo shit?

  

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475. "Yes it is Scooby Doo Shit..."
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Yes... cause Christ worshipped God... this Holy Trinity shit...
could it be? Man, woman and god?
Man woman and child?
I know the foolishness of people thinking it's the Holy Ghost and all this shit... how on earth can you not think that a Holy Ghost is not some bullshit? Please... even when the Roman cats saw Christ and fell to their knees he told them not to pray to him...
even when the apostles prayed to him he told them not to pray to him...
that's coming in between him and God... you see the Devil has tricked you... have you praying to paintings, statues, and images...
this is a problem especially when you don't know what the man looked like... yea it is some Scooby Doo shit.

  

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418. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..you misunderstood what i was saying. The whole point of that period of history was tae escape fae the tyranny of the church. And I wouldnae rule Europeans as Savages purely because they hadnae mastered writing. But anyway yer right the influence of the written word and the knowledge and power it brings has only been abused.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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424. "They were complete savages..."
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it wasn't about mastering the art of writing...
but it's about re-writing and touchign something to benefit yourself when it was sacred to another group of people.
Let's see, the plague (cause of lack of hygene and logistics)
orgies on the regular
murdered Christ (suppossedly)
reworded and renamed every character in the holy book
eventually helped in the enslavement and murder of masses of people around the world. Savages.

  

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426. "RE: They were complete savages..."
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...thats actually no the definition of a savage. a savage is a person whos sole interest in life is pleasure. Europeans had many craftsmen and so forth. they may be more violent, but thats debatable, you trying to tell me Africans never had any wars? I also find it embaressing that you try to make people differentiate between the many different cultures in Africa whilst lumping Europeans together in one lumpen mass of barbarians.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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429. "RE: They were complete savages..."
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Africans had tribal wars.... based on African soil... they never went to other countries and killed other races of people because they could... so no...
and if the savage enjoys violence then isn't that pleasure? Europeans have a knack for violence... from torture chambers... to sexual torture chambers... to mass murder and slavery... yeah... savages...
You see the byproducts of it now in sayings like "praise the lord and pass the ammo"... or foolish Christian King James rantings about Christ being a warrior and fighting wars... not to mention the American culture of promoting mass destruction through games, comic books, promoting soliders as heroes and dying for you country as a honorable thing.

  

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432. "RE: They were complete savages..."
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..so basically your saying they are complete savages. no were about it. I won't deny Christianity has been an Alien influence, since it was imported from roman times, the dark ages and onwards. The difference between the Southern Catholic States and the North has been an attempt to adapt these ideas to the local culture. I mean if I was talking you 3000 years ago why the hell would I want to worship Christ when I had my own Gods? The answer is the universal nature of these ideas of suffering, and the consequent power they give to people. Christianity in Europe has very little to do with the Ancient texts and the issues you've been arguing. It's all about power and influence. Basically to me Christianity is an idea. So if Jesus Christ was black and an African, fair play, disnae matter to me, it's almost irrelevant to someone like me. What's important is the inspiration that people took from this man and his actions. Where the problem lies is the corruption of these ideas, as you have mentioned. Aside from that what evidence do you have about the savagry of Europeans? documents written by Christians? scholars of other religions? was the impartiality of the press an issue at the time?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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439. "RE: They were complete savages..."
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their own history
their conquests to conquer other cultures
their mass murders (wars)
their savage sexuality...
and their use of religion to contorl amoungst many other things...
especially if you define it throuh pleasure... 'when in Rome'?

  

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442. "RE: They were complete savages..."
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..who are you talking about?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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427. "RE: They were complete savages..."
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..so what Europeans in particular are we talking about?

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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420. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..aye but it all started wae the Romans adopting christianity. Northern Europeans (germans and the like) and the people who became the Spanish and Portugese never got introduced to christianity till later on.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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430. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Nah man... not really true...
it's about the fusion of Roman Mythology and Christianity... or in reality... Islam... cause Christ was a Muslim, not a Christian.
Yes, the Spanish weren't introduced... trying the Spanish Inquisitions. Namean?

  

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433. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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...aye. the "Spanish" would have had more Influence fae the moors and such like anyway. So basically your telling me that "Christianity" is in fact a grand cosmic joke...know i think we're gonnae have some problems veryfying some of this.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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413. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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no one is trying to change anyone's mind...
but it's not even common sense to try and state that Jesus was a white man... or that the original jews were white, humble, and living in Africa. I mean how much Tarzan shit can you take?

  

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435. "he called everybody 'brother',liked Gospel,and couldn't get a fair trial"
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hahahah - good stuff.

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437. "RE: he called everybody 'brother',liked Gospel,and couldn't get a fair t..."
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drank wine...
girl was called nothing short of a stripper...
ran from the cops...
ran with criminals
kept a crew
dropped knowledge
talked in parables...
hahaha... word.
didn't have a job...
hahah...

  

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438. "RE: he called everybody 'brother',liked Gospel,and couldn't get a fair t..."
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..i heard he did a mean halibut though..

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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403. "Good job everyone"
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400+ replies. This is, quite honestly, the most important issue that we have to discuss today.

  

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404. "My Balls are from Jamaica"
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Hope that helps

  

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425. "RE: My Balls are from Jamaica"
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enough with the small talk.

  

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440. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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I think alot of people miss the point entirely. IF you believe in some sort of Spirituality it's a guiding force in your life. If you don't see yourself in your GOD then you don't have a real connection (ie: The fraud pic of Jesus hanging up in churches.) The psychological effect of Religion is extremely important too combat. Given that it plays such a major role in society.

The problem comes when you find out certian "Truth's" your place in the world is askwed. Most of the known religions come from the "Afrikan" so-called "Mystery System." If you say that laws only apply to a certain people (which I don't disagree) then why should non-Afrikans practice religion w/o any "divine revelations?" Thats a issue we as a society need to deal with. Somebody, died today because people are arguing over a Religion they have no "real" claim too?

I don't see why it's a stretch that if the "Israelites" started in KMT and "Moses" was the "bro" of the Pharaoh (which one by the way?)and the "Israelites" came around in the mid-dynasties and the Book of the Forthcoming was around waaaaaaaay before that. That the practices in the Torah applies too all-Afrikans or KMTetians?

  

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458. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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True... good points...
I think the one point that comes to mind is that even tho' these cats stole the religion, placed their lies in it... they have never lived out any divine acts. They have corrupted the world, attacked the world, enslaved the world, you name it.
Namean?

  

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441. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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I think alot of people miss the point entirely. IF you believe in some sort of Spirituality it's a guiding force in your life. If you don't see yourself in your GOD then you don't have a real connection (ie: The fraud pic of Jesus hanging up in churches.) The psychological effect of Religion is extremely important too combat. Given that it plays such a major role in society.

The problem comes when you find out certian "Truth's" your place in the world is askwed. Most of the known religions come from the "Afrikan" so-called "Mystery System." If you say that laws only apply to a certain people (which I don't disagree) then why should non-Afrikans practice religion w/o any "divine revelations?" Thats a issue we as a society need to deal with. Somebody, died today because people are arguing over a Religion they have no "real" claim too?

I don't see why it's a stretch that if the "Israelites" started in KMT and "Moses" was the "bro" of the Pharaoh (which one by the way?)and the "Israelites" came around in the mid-dynasties and the Book of the Forthcoming was around waaaaaaaay before that. That the practices in the Torah applies too all-Afrikans or KMTetians?

Moses: Let my people go!
Pharaoh: Give me back my book then!

  

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444. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..right from this your saying that religion itself has been corrupted? its role in society has been changed, by the very organisations that pass on religions. Churches, of any kind, have a political influence. They are political organisations in the losest sense of the word, in that they try to contain and harness power, its just that the range of power is in a different sphere than to that of governments for example. As for the basis of all religions coming from African, I don't have a problem if that is true, but given the nature of humanity, i'm more inclined to go with a phenomonological approach, i.e. at points in history people thousands of miles apart reached the same conclusion...look to the pyramids in South America and the pyramids in Egypt to see what I'm saying. There is no possible way for these people to have communicated. Therefore, as with the Pagan symbols, there is a shared humanity and there is no need to claim ownership. Just a consideration.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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445. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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I don't think all religion is corrupted. I think people make their religious affiliations at face value without doing any real indepth research.

What's your definition of "paganisim"?

They had no way of communicating?

They just found another of "many" intact "sea-faring" ships in a cave in Egypt. I'll see if I can find the link

Read:

They Came Before Columbus

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0394402456/qid=1114811138/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6618886-5079140

Historians still have no clue why the Aztecs built their pyramids. Maybe they didn't get the complete instructions. Archaeologist also have concluded the Olmec heads were not of Olmec pepole. Why would the Omecs liter there land with the heads of people that werent them? So who were they? What did they do for them?

  

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446. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..i'm out of my depth here. I've never done any research into religion and I don't associate myself with any church. All I know is the influences of both Christianity and later the Greeks upon British Society and the monster this has created i.e. the presumed intellectual dominance of the world which has no basis in historical fact, which is affirmed and perpetuated by academic institutions that were created in the period of European enlightenment, and was the secondary effect of actually conquering the world, much like patting yourself on the back.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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460. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Well keep in mind...
the Greeks learned from the Africans (Egyptians)
that's who they got their knowledge from...
in fact the Egyptians would often say they were inferior... slow.. with the minds of Children...
My point? When it comes to much of what they brought, it was after they'd learned it...
however... if you notice...
the old Testament is written in Hebrew... AFrican.
the New testament is written in Greek...

  

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447. "All Roads Lead To Afrika"
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Here is one similar. Not the exact one I was looking for.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050423191506.htm

They are still teaching that the Vikings even pre-dates Columbus. Why would it be a stretch any other people did also?

There are Pyramids in China, up and down the Mississippi, Brazil, etc..

I see your point though. But people didn't just stay in one part of the world. Some were a nomadic people and shared their belifes and values freely. Some were a war-mongering, conquering people, that came, destroyed, and took. A honest study of History gives you alot of the answers.

  

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449. "RE: All Roads Lead To Afrika"
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..i also see your point of view. Obviously when a Eurocentric view of the world is used to justify an unbalanced state of affairs it is as viable to counteract this as many was as possible. I have no wish to argue with you on any points.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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448. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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...i have no doubt the Ancients communicated. The similarity between Stonehenge and the pi symbol from Greek mathematics has not passed me by.

...guess what, you can't swing in scotland either.

  

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459. "White's follow religon - original blacks lived life!"
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That's because white's instituted the idea of religion...
think about it... generally when it comes to music whites simply copy everything we do. They denounce it at first (like the Romans did), then they wait until it blows over, and then they compeletely consume it and try to make it theirs. Religion is no different... keep in mind it's like white musicians have to have notes and read... or a formula... or break everything down into numbers... for blacks this process is already natural... it's like I tell cats Christ was a Muslim... not a Christian... A Christian is a fake formula religion.. and Christ worshipped God... nothing more nothing less... and that's what it means to be Muslim... it's a lifestyle... but now all religions are corrupt. That's cause they never were suppossed to exist... only the way you live your life.

  

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477. "RE: White's follow religon - original blacks lived life!"
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..right. we're not really arguing anything. I'm a musician and I don't read music, never read music, but I'd blow yer fucking socks off if you gave me a decent amp. anyway back to christ. Christianity was not readily accepted by Northen Europeans, since by the fall of the Roman Empire, Christianity was already the main religion, an the Emperor had become the Early Pope (or Holy Roman Emperor). Christianity was corrupted by Rome and the Romans. It was passed on my missionaries to other Europeans in the same way the British converted the Africans. I mean if your so smart how did you fall for that one again? Anyway the point of the statement is this. The chruch and the state are the, usually interwined, but often not, institutions which control the population. One through force and the other through knowledge. Both are corrupt. The issue is therefore not about race (because there are many dictatorships around the world) but rather power. And the abuse of religion and knowledge to gain power. This is definition of evil I have heard, which is the corruption of life as it is naturally lived, (and therefore knowledge, since knowledge is the natuaral product of time) for personal gain. In this light, The ruling Establishments of Western Europeans and Nothern Americans are evil, as are the people who both concisoussly and unconciouslly support them. That isn't all of us.

...In the Land of The Strange Confusion Is King.

  

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486. "RE: White's follow religon - original blacks lived life!"
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If we are so smart how did we fall for that?
Simple... it was forced... Africans, Aborigini's, Indians and all people of color (cause we are all the same blood... whites use national locations and markers like flags, and songs to seperate us... and yes we fall for it...indepedent? independent of whom?)
to accept Christianity. I'm sure your familiar with this. AS far as blacks in this country... it was forced on us through slavery... Kunta Kentae was Muslim and spoke Arabic as did most slaves who were brought into this country. In any event, there's your answer.

  

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443. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Book of the "Dead" (Antiquity: Payprus of Ani) (Dates???)
Code of Hammurabi (Antiquity: ???) (Dates????)

Don't even want to get into the pyramid text. Which if you know Hiero you can read with your own eyes.

  

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461. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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precisely.
YOu can directly correspond these stories with that of the bible... easily.

  

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453. "The Ancestor Speaks"
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"You think Christianity is a religion, it is a
political construct formed at the Council of Nicea
with European ideology to dominate your mind. You can
not negotiate with your enemy and share with your
enemy and remain free. We need an African World
Community. You can't have someone else's concept and
call yourself free, for they can control you through
their concepts."

-- Dr. John Henrik Clarke

  

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462. "YES!!!!"
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Exactly. You see one of the points of this post was for blacks to know and link with the person known as Isa... to know he walked like they walk...
to do away with Christianity and focus on the the points...
Christianity itself is a huge lie... however Isa was not. You see?

  

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456. "."
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shakin your block with a 6 million dollar bop

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www.davidevanmcdowell.com

  

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485. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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I don't know what the response is from everybody (cuz I wasn;t about to read all that) but to state that simple fact is to rewrite not only historical facts but religion as well. I don't think white folks are ready for all that change. Many people already know Jesus was African and the Middle East is just an extension of Africa but everybody ain't ready for the truth.

  

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489. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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..aye exactly. The very foundation of American society would come tumbling down.

...In the Land of The Strange Confusion Is King.

  

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491. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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Not only American society but religion as we know it. How would you feel if everything you ever knew to be true was a lie? You wouldn't know how to function. And for the person on this board that said the race of Jesus didn't matter, tell that to all the slave owners that told slaves that their lord and saviour was a white man and the pride they would feel to know different? They were basically taught (and subliminally, we are still being taught this) that the African race was inferior in every way. To know that someone with your skin tone was performing the miracles that he performed would have definitely gave slaves a strong pride of themselves and their ancestry. And we all know how scared White folks were/are of strong Black people. The race of Jesus is very relevant and it should not be considered trivial or trite.

  

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498. "EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Exactly... it's easy as hell to say now it doesn't matter after you have
enslaved a race of people...
brought them over here removing them and disconnecting them from their bloodline and homeland forever...
having them build an entire country for free...
have them fight and die for basic human rights that (with the exception of voting) are now given to basic farm animals...
murdered any voice that stood up to this foolishness...
and so on... yeah it's real easy to say it doesn't matter...

Question... what would have happened if slaves knew Christ was a black man... would they have revolted? Yes... didn't they call Harriet Tubman 'Moses'... see the revolutionary spirit?

  

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499. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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basically...

  

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505. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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what does it matter though? i mean, jesus is jesus. what was said about him, and whats in the bible etc etc. is concrete.

dude can be .. green/purple/blue for all that matters.

  

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508. "to response 505..."
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read #491.

  

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509. "Concrete? So let me get this right?"
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the very people who introduced you to the Bible... lied about everything... his image... everything... what makes you think they didn't do the same thing with the Bible? That's like your wife saying "I only fucked him once... so we should be okay from this point moving forward" and you believing her.

  

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513. "RE: Concrete? So let me get this right?"
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nope. because i don't view shit like that. i don't believe what people tell me yo, like.. def. with ish that serious. i don't watch tv yo. i'm into politics etc. i know the government uses the media to brainwash society. i believe what i read, and view/see first hand. what people told me in the past,... shit.. i was told at 10 years old etc etc. i was 10 years old yo. im 20 now. i see things from my own views and ish. so, i believe what i want to believe. but jesus being jesus period. color of him being, really doesn't matter to me. really, does it change anything about you and me, if hes black or white? no.

does it change what the media, and whoever told you and what not? yes.
i don't worry bout ish like that. if they lied they lied... doesn't neccessarily mean that i believe it.

thats just me though. there are probably alot of other heads out there, who would fall into your post, like word.. your right.
feel me?

  

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515. "Oh it matters.. WHY CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THE LIE?"
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It's like last night I'm watching this Kanye video (The other jesus walks video) and I'm thinking... 'this cat is comfortable in being a real house nigga... straight up' walking around with this white cat behind him posing as Christ... some real live bullshit.
How long will we allow suckers like this to promote the lie?
if it don't matter.. then why fight me saying he was black?
It does indeed matter... cause if they lied about something that important... well...

  

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523. "If indeed....."
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it doesn't matter or it's not important, then why lie about it in the first place? I must have mattered to someone.

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btw, bullshit post.

  

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your avi
your comments...
just take your hate elsewhere and leave it for us willing to discuss.
Peace.

  

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528. "still a bullshit post."
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little nerd.

  

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517. "I got your proof right here"
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What was Jesus's first miracle? turned water into wine, if that aint black in dont know what is

and in the bible it says he had hair like sheeps wool. that is a nappy fro.

and he had skin of bronze(bronze is nothing but shiney brown

  

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522. "Yes, check"
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>and in the bible it says he had hair like sheeps wool. that is
>a nappy fro.
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>and he had skin of bronze(bronze is nothing but shiney brown

Revelations: 1:14 (feet like brass/bronze that had been BURNED in an oven), and Daniels 7 and 9 (hair like lambs wool).

If you believe in the Bible being the infallible word of God, these scriptures should suffice it that Jesus was indeed an Afrikan.

But I have heard some incredible and even ridiculous rationalizaions for the descriptions given in these scriptures.

In addition to that, the number of antedated Black Madonna images that exist around the world (many of them in the custody of the Catholic Church) should give us a clue.

But I guess ultimately, people will believe what they want to believe. Damn the Truth.

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531. "why does this matter?"
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why's it matter wut race jesus was? especially to a christian.if he was black, does that make u more saved then someone white? if he was white, does that make u more holy then someone black? and asians, hispanics, middle easterners, wut r they? race is insignificant...the concept of race was developed by different cultures. culture was developed by human/fallen nature to divide god's children. if u have faith in god and know that satan exists, which one benifits from a divided church? why do u think the bible doesnt focus on race, it doesnt even really mention it? its simple. it doesnt matter...at all.

  

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533. "This is a very naive response..."
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The political implications of religion and the psychological affect/damage of the ethnicity of the practioners/believers in a religion in a situation where oppressed people are taught (subconscously) to worship their oppressors, to take this kind of position is naive and does nothing but reinforce the status quo;thus, works to the benefit of the oppressor.

It does matter. That's why clowns like Mel Gibson jumped through mad hoops to supposedly recreate the crucifiction of Jesus (the attire, the language, the violence involved, etc.) but put a fair-skinned actor in the character of Jesus and does not show any Afrikans throughout the movie.

Do you think that this is coincidental? Do you think ethinicity didn't matter to Mel Gibson? Do you think ethnicity didn't matter to all of the people who went, fell in love with and believed in the movie? Do you think it would have received the same level of acceptance had a black man been playing the character of Jesus?

Unfortunately, in this day and age, it does matter. You can play naive and pretend that it doesn't but everything around us regarding the matter says otherwise.



>why's it matter wut race jesus was? especially to a
>christian.if he was black, does that make u more saved then
>someone white? if he was white, does that make u more holy
>then someone black? and asians, hispanics, middle easterners,
>wut r they? race is insignificant...the concept of race was
>developed by different cultures. culture was developed by
>human/fallen nature to divide god's children. if u have faith
>in god and know that satan exists, which one benifits from a
>divided church? why do u think the bible doesnt focus on race,
>it doesnt even really mention it? its simple. it doesnt
>matter...at all.

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534. "RE: This is a very naive response..."
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If im nieve, then im nieve. My point is this. Everybody allows their own implications to factor into their faith. People try to translate the bible, and interpret it in their own minds to say wut they want it to say. We have taken something pure, and contaminated it. That’s wut has lead to the formation of divided Christian religions…Catholics, protestants, Baptists, etc. and has divided Christians by race…black churches, Chinese churches, Korean churches, etc. and this has led to arguments, fights, and wars among the same people…keep in mind, this mentality also led to the formation of the KKK. no matter wut race, we r the same species.

This issue matters to you on a personal level. you have ur own feelings about people viewing jesus as a white man. I feel u on that. It pisses me off that all nebody talks about is black and white. Ya’ll r saying jesus was either black OR white, not anything else. American history taught in schools only focus on black AND white, not anything else. Im not black OR white, im...anything else. according to wut I learned in this society, I shouldn’t be an American or a Christian. We don’t even exist. that shortcoming in our society pisses me off, among others as well. But when it come to matters of faith, society has no place, at least it shouldn’t. race and culture have no place, at least it shouldn’t. all that should matter is that jesus’s species was god and human. And as a saved Christian, our species is god and human. U got everything u need right there. I aint tryin ta preach. Im far from qualified to do that, but this is my view. U can agree or disagree.

  

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540. "over 500 posts!!!!"
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seriously now, I been away from activist for just a few weeks and i find this post still here and this long. I can't be arsed to read the reponses but how in hell can this post justify so much debate - WTF? I mean surely theres other more pressing debates at hand.

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541. "over 600 posts!!!!"
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seriously now, I been away from activist for just a few weeks and i find this thread still here and this long. I can't be arsed to read the reponses but how in hell can this post justify so much debate - WTF? I mean surely theres other more pressing debates at hand?

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543. "RE: Why Can't People Acccept that Jesus was African?"
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because the Bible says Jesus came from Israel, and Israel isn't in Africa

Jesus was still black though

  

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547. "Proof that Jesus was black"
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If people would read the Bible, it describes jesus as having feet of brass and hair of wool.

Also, Christianity started in Egypt...learned that in history class.

As for black people spilling hyperbole to make ourselves seem more valuable, fuck that shit!! White people for years have been going to great lengths to destroy not only the African American, but the African image. Africans were the first to have a written language, have sophisticated architecture, and to establish Christianity. They want us to believe that our rasion d'etre is slavery. That is why the only image of Jesus you see is a blonde haired, blue-eyed man.

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548. "RE: Proof that Jesus was black"
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how do you equate brass with black? they are two totally different colors.

  

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558. "RE: Proof that Jesus was black"
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you are so predictable...
you love george bush...
and you want us to think that christ was white... or other than black...
now present your argument.

  

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549. "RE: Proof that Jesus was black"
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>Africans were the first to have a written language,

Really?

And this whole time I thought that written language started in the middle east.

Guess you learn something new in the revisionist history realm of okayplayer.com every day!

Sean

  

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555. "RE: Proof that Jesus was black"
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I'm pretty positive writing did start in the Middle East. People of this board always tryin to connect everything to Africa, especially when they shouldn't, hell, next they'll be saying that television and toilet paper was invented there...

  

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1.he turned water into wine.
2.he fed 5000 with 5 loaves & 2 fish
3.he persuaded men with jobs to leave their gig & follow him

proof 2 & 3 leads me to further believe he was Nigerian even

  

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557. "So i'm in Ghana right now..."
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and the scary part is everywhere you go mad cats are christian and believing that sun was white...
i have had to break down mad cats to understand they have been tricked... amazingly... they get it... whereas cats in the us who speak so called proper king's english fight to defend it.,.. it's crazy for a wide number of reasons...
the economic disenfranchisement
the obvious visual implications of it are overwhelming...
these people are either very rich (and not Christian ironically - well at least so far my experiences have shown me... not to generalize) or very poor and very christian.
amazing how they have fucked us over. Amazing.

  

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