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Numba_33
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"Apathetic nonvoter right 'chere."


  

          

About the only issue I care about is the social security and I'm guessing the soon to be powers that be will stick up fer the needs of the older senior citizens cuz...the Gen X-ers (ewwwwwwww, I'm in a fuckin group) like myself are apathetic non-voters. What are the 'real' stances that the Democratic and Republican parties have on this issue. Any other issue a Gen X-er like myself should care about? And I'm not glorifying the term Gen Xer either.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Dear Apathetic nonvoter,
dividedwefall
Aug 01st 2000
1
Im for an equal tax n/m
Young_Isa
Aug 02nd 2000
4
You mean a flat tax?
Aug 02nd 2000
5
People don't vote because
Aug 10th 2000
7
      RE: People don't vote because
Aug 10th 2000
8
      everyone needs to vote
Aug 10th 2000
11
As a Gen-Xer
Aug 01st 2000
2
I have a problem...
Aug 02nd 2000
3
Think 401K or 403B
Aug 10th 2000
6
well holy fuck man.
Aug 10th 2000
9
      So....
Aug 10th 2000
10

dividedwefall

Tue Aug-01-00 03:27 PM

  
1. "Dear Apathetic nonvoter,"
In response to Reply # 0


          

Its obvious why there are so many apathetic voters, there aren't any choices!!! However, now we have one. Ralph Nader, running under the Green Party ticket, feels differently about issues than the Republicans and Democrats do. For example...

DEATH PENALTY : AGAINST
GLOBILIZATION : EXTREMELY LIMITED ROLE OF IMF AND WORLD BANK, NO MORE WTO
A PROGRESSIVE TAX WITH THE RICH PAYING THE MOST AND HEAVY TAX FALLING ON BAD THINGS i.e. POLLUTION

for more information visit www.votenader.com

  

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Young_Isa

Wed Aug-02-00 09:07 AM

  
4. "Im for an equal tax n/m"
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janey
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Wed Aug-02-00 11:35 AM

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5. "You mean a flat tax?"
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Why? People who earn a whole lot more than everyone else should pay more b/c they get more from the system (politicians pay more attention to wealthy voters/contributors), because they can afford to pay more (assuming that there's a minimum dollar amount that a person needs to live on and anything above that is gravy, more or less), and because the more money you have, the more deductions you can create (i.e., like through charitable giving).

Charging everyone the same rate in taxes has been purported (at least by some psuedo-politicians like Steve Forbes) to solve the "no loopholes" dilemma and the "lots of paperwork" dilemma. But I assure you that resolving the "no loopholes" dilemma is a lot more complicated than changing the tax rates, and, as to the "lots of paperwork" dilemma, the SIMPLEST part of figuring your taxes is determining the dollar amount to be paid based on the graduated scale.

I strongly oppose a "flat" tax. It doesn't solve any of the problems that it purports to solve and it regresses the system that we already have in place -- in other words, poor people would pay an even higher percentage of the total amount of taxes paid in the country.

This is a proposal that rich people should like, not poor or middle class people.

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7. "People don't vote because"
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It is not in their interest to vote.

The chances that you will cast the deciding vote in a national election are worse than winning the lottery.

And if your candidate is going to win, he doesn't need your vote. If you candidate is going to lose, why do you need to vote at all?

the prisoner's dilemna as descibed in Political Participation 370L.

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Thu Aug-10-00 09:30 AM

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8. "RE: People don't vote because"
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uh, no offense, but this is some bullshit.

It is not in their interest to vote.

The chances that you will cast the deciding vote in a national election are worse than winning the lottery.

And if your candidate is going to win, he doesn't need your vote. If you candidate is going to lose, why do you need to vote at all?

its in EVERYONES interest to vote...sheesh, if you have an active disagreement with someone and their views 1) guaranteeed someone else will just as actively AGREE with them, and normally they will vote...

this is akin to saying that 'seperate but equal' was the status quo back in the day, and its been that way, so why vote to change it...please clarify your position if I stated it wrong....



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Thu Aug-10-00 10:39 AM

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11. "everyone needs to vote"
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whether your candidate wins or not. the political structure uses the demographic of voters to decide who to cater to in the next election. for instance if all of us young black people got out and voted our voices would be heard. don't get it twisted, EVERYONE should vote. or else "they" won't pay attention to you.

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janey
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Tue Aug-01-00 03:42 PM

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2. "As a Gen-Xer"
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you should start by forgetting about social security and start saving for retirement. Social security has never been a "fund" that you pay into, earn interest or dividends, and then receive "your" money back when you retire. It was always set up in such a way that the people who are paying money right now are doing so in order to support the people who are old right now. Sometimes there are surpluses, but don't get confused over who it's for or what it's about.

So now, do I have you convinced that there's nothing to care about? Oooooh nooooo! Wait! Read on!

First, presidential elections. In some respects, they're probably the least important election you can vote in. What does the president really do, after all? He (excuse the gender bias here) doesn't pass legislation although he may introduce it or veto it (but if Congress feels strongly enough about it they can override his veto). What does he do? HE NOMINATES SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. That's the single most important thing that a president does. The next president will likely nominate three. That will impact your daily life for decades. Really. Daily life. Decades.

So vote so that your basic rights as a citizen will be protected by a Supreme Court that more accurately reflects your concerns because it was nominated by a president who represents you (or represents you better than someone else).

Another thing about presidential elections -- how much does your vote "count," anyway? Not much, huh? It's one little tiny vote in a country filled with little tiny votes and then they all get passed through the electoral college. Wow. Pretty useless, right? Wrong. If every person in the country who secretly thought of themselves as an Apathetic Gen-Xer were to vote (and I don't care even whether they all voted for the same person, just that they all vote), the country would be changed. The last person who energized the "youth" of this country and turned 'em out in numbers was Eugene McCarthy -- and that was before the federal voting age was lowered to 18. So that was a waste. No one, no one has been able to get young people to turn out in high numbers. What a radical statement it would be, what a revolution would be started, if people from 18 to 25 were to vote.

So try voting to make that statement.

Finally, take a good long look at that voter information pamphlet. There is a whole lot more on the ballot than just the presidential election. There are senators and representatives who are up for election/re-election. There are state level legislators on the ballot. There are county/city positions being filled, including judges -- the people that will act as judges in YOUR community. There are also laws being voted on, including tax laws, bond issues and, depending on your jurisdiction, maybe some vote-sponsored referenda or initiatives.

The smaller the community that gets to vote on the issue, the more your vote counts and the more likely you are to be affected by the outcome.

Don't let old, energetic people with nothing better to do than to volunteer at the League of Women Voters determine the outcome of these matters. Just because they're retired and don't want to sit around watching tv all day doesn't mean that you should let them dominate the elections. Besides, they're the ones that are eating up the Social Security money you pay each month!

Vote.

Really.

I can't tell you the specific issues on your ballot, because I don't know what they are, where you are, etc. But I guarantee you that, even if you don't think this or that issue matters much, making your voice heard DOES matter.

Have I gone on long enough? I can rant some more if you need it. Just let me know.

Peace.

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All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
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3. "I have a problem..."
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..with aligning myself with any particular group or even any particular candidate. I also refuse to vote for someone just to cancel someone else's vote out or because they are the lesser of the evils. I voted for our current mayor because he was black and I had strong reservations about it at the time because he seems a little stupid.

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k_orr
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Thu Aug-10-00 09:13 AM

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6. "Think 401K or 403B"
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Tax Deferred investment accounts.

$2,000.00 invested today @15% interest in 40 years becomes 256,000. Invest 8,000 between 25-29, and you will be living it up at 60. You could live off the interest of your money, never touching the principal. set up a dynasty trust for your family, and you too can own an estate in New England.

If you even think about social security you are not thinking about your own future.
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Numba_33
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Thu Aug-10-00 10:06 AM

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9. "well holy fuck man."
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BERRY good looking out. I'll have to save up more money before I can get 2Gs, but thanks man.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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janey
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Thu Aug-10-00 10:36 AM

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10. "So...."
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any chance we've convinced you to vote?

Peace.

~ ~ ~
All meetings end in separation
All acquisition ends in dispersion
All life ends in death
- The Buddha

|\_/|
='_'=

Every hundred years, all new people

  

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