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>hey ya'll, > >how do u all feel about >standardized tests as well as >a mandatory national standarized tests?
I think they are a good idea.
> should these scores determine >if a child go to >the next grade?
To middle school, to high school, and then to college.
>but my problem with standardized >tests, beyond the fact that >they weren't made for or >by us,
Explain the cultural biasing of the mathematic or english tests. My mom is a teacher, and tried to explain it to me, but I just didn't get it. I do really well at standardized tests, and I can't imagine a better way to compare a large # of students. How can you tell if a school system works? Do you wait to see what kind of salaries they pull down after graduation?
is that there >has been a reported number >of cases here in chicago >where the child gets A's,B's,C's >on their progress report but >because they do not do >well on the standarized test >they are forced to go >to summer school and possibly >repeat the same grade.
Obviously they didn't learn something.
at >that point i think that >the classroom environment and teaching >methodology needs to be assessed.
No doubt.
>actually, there are so many >reasons why kids don't do >well on standardized tests and >the cure isn't to simply >fail the child.
Test stress? Ill preparation?
> i remember when i was >in high school and the >administrators would come into the >'gifted and talented' classrooms telling >us that the school is >depending on us to do >well on our standarized tests >b/c we were the 'creme >of the crop',
I never got that kind of pressure in G/t, but I was mad I didn't make it back in elementary school, when being G/T meant weekly field trips and other cool stuff.
> another concern i have with >these tests is that are >teachers properly trained to prepare >students to take these tests.
Ideally, you shouldn't teach the test. When i was tutoring I found myself preparing 5th graders for the TAAS test. They really needed to understand fractions. Which for my mostly minority kids wasn't happening. Norman's mom knew fractions, but she didn't understand the "new" math. Hell, I didn't understand the "new" math either. But it was certainly difficult to teach kids math in a new manner than I was accustomed to.
and when did they start breaking out word problems for 5th graders. Those were the bonus questions in the advanced 5th grade class at my elementary. Word Problems are difficult for adults cause the combine both reading comprehension with math. But I digress.
>it isn't as simple as >making sure u include all >subjects in the curriculum but >their are test taking skills >that need to be taught.
No doubt. But unfortunatley I don't have an education degree, cause I don't really understand how you teach that.
>i seriously think that teacher education >programs in colleges/universities need to >reassessed.
For all sorts of reasons. The fact that few teacher colleges have professional programs akin to being a doctor or lawyer is a major problem. Teaching is pretty much taught like every other subject. But the mental/emotional toll on a new teacher is far greater than that on a new business major or engineer. There is generally not a lot of good support/mentoring for brand new teachers. And the typical route is to throw a new teacher into the hardest school and hope that they survive.
But there are a lot of structural questions with education.
What do we really NEED to teach? I could buzz word it with skill sets, employable skills, problem solving, critical thinking..but I don't know
I also find it interesting that we want so much stratification with our students. Wouldn't we want 95% of our students to understand 100% of the material we teach them, as opposed to 10%. I see a lot of that in college. Where you are sorted by your natural ability and not your desire to learn. I saw this in both the college of engineering and the college of liberal arts.
Kinda scary I had to really learn to write online and not in school.
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