okay so i was thinking about what society as a whole considers crazy and how the behaviors that
define this term are subject to change (depending on the epoch).

there are the old stand-bys such as schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder and others that consistently turn
up in historical accounts in terms of their occurence.

however, there are some illnesses that seem defined solely by the period and the state of the society
at a given time. for example, in the late 1800's an illness known as "nervous condition" or
"neurosthemia" was common among those of caucasian decent and an upper class background.
today, we have an oddly disproportionate number of homeless people who are clinically "ill," no doubt
be cause they lie on the fringes of society.

my question is whether or not, given the societal climate and the failures of said society at any given
time, it is the "proper" response to go crazy? if, in fact, the world is fucked up and you continue on
as sane as ever you're just contributing to and condoning the shortcomings of society. right? and if
you go the alternate route and wig the fuck out, you're acknowledgng that the world desires much
and offers little and, in turn, are being radical in your own right. right?

talk amongst yourselves.


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and the two are inseparable, for
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we have many wounds
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to reconcile the past with the present, for
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your wordchoices crack me up... but very creative question...

i think it has a lot to do with circumstance and will




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naw, i'm just kidding, but what to you mean?
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"This must be what it means to get old. I could hate no one when I was young. Now i can and I do." --Edwidge Danticat

we are a sensitive people
and brave
and the two are inseparable, for
the armor of bravery is necessary
to protect our sensitive skins.

we have many wounds
old wounds that will not heal
we were never given time to heal
to reconcile the past with the present, for
we tread the waters of the past in
living the present. ---me

*****************************
Pay no attention when I laugh. I'm a notorious pervert in that respect

http://atrackbrown.blogspot.com/

my "wordchoices" that were off

I was just saying that the words you used in this post had comedic value... thasall








Amina NiaRa

I can tell you anything you wanna hear but I can only teach you what I know

"We are so poor that we have nothing to earn respect but our principles."
-Julius Nyerere

"The philosophy of the African revolution... is defined by three political components of our liberation movement-namely: Nationalism, Panafricanism, and socialism."
- Kwame Nkrumah

aminamoonbeam@hotmail.com
and yes Im still A.L.I.V.E

<-Infinite Possibilities In Every Direction->
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"This must be what it means to get old. I could hate no one when I was young. Now i can and I do." --Edwidge Danticat

we are a sensitive people
and brave
and the two are inseparable, for
the armor of bravery is necessary
to protect our sensitive skins.

we have many wounds
old wounds that will not heal
we were never given time to heal
to reconcile the past with the present, for
we tread the waters of the past in
living the present. ---me

*****************************
Pay no attention when I laugh. I'm a notorious pervert in that respect

http://atrackbrown.blogspot.com/

yeah.. i think insanity is a bull shit term cuz sanity is all subjective. man if i go outside today rocking collard green draws with match sticks taped to my forehead and forearms. and jog backwards down the street yellin...BO! BO!...people will call me crazy...but thats just cuz they can't smell the vision.
and thats real. 98984;;ghp
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real funny, but really whaddya think?
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"This must be what it means to get old. I could hate no one when I was young. Now i can and I do." --Edwidge Danticat

we are a sensitive people
and brave
and the two are inseparable, for
the armor of bravery is necessary
to protect our sensitive skins.

we have many wounds
old wounds that will not heal
we were never given time to heal
to reconcile the past with the present, for
we tread the waters of the past in
living the present. ---me

*****************************
Pay no attention when I laugh. I'm a notorious pervert in that respect

http://atrackbrown.blogspot.com/

str8 up. im mean of course i meant that as a joke but still...sanity is subjective. every body is sane until someone else says otherwise and hell who are they to say so. if the world agrees with you it doesn't make u right- u know what i mean

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you have to admit there is a such thing as "insane." some people just don't have it all and why is that? how do we determine what it is?
it's not as simple as saying "sanity is subjective, thank you and goodnight" cuz there is a women on the corner right now dancing when there is no music, literally or figuratively.
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"This must be what it means to get old. I could hate no one when I was young. Now i can and I do." --Edwidge Danticat

we are a sensitive people
and brave
and the two are inseparable, for
the armor of bravery is necessary
to protect our sensitive skins.

we have many wounds
old wounds that will not heal
we were never given time to heal
to reconcile the past with the present, for
we tread the waters of the past in
living the present. ---me

*****************************
Pay no attention when I laugh. I'm a notorious pervert in that respect

http://atrackbrown.blogspot.com/

yes it is absolutely that simple. it is as simple as saying that there is no wrong or right. there just isn't. all these concepts are man-made...and since the world doesn't exist for us...they are not absolute. all ideas of sanity are subjective.
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I'm not so sure about the "dancing on the corner without music" analogy, i hear music all the time....but I'm sure there are some broadly defined/accepted concepts of what is within the realm of "sanity." I once read an interesting passage that argued the initial post, saying simply that those of us that are walking around upset and depressed are actually more in-tune with the reality of the times, considering that there really is very little to be blatantly "shiny-happy" about...those members of society that are consistantly optimistic, "happy," and smiling are really the ones that are out of touch...in deep denial.

I'd have to get my lazy butt up and actually look up the definition for "sane" to reply properly....

maybe next time

i am of the mind that people who are diagnosed with mental illnesses are more "in touch" with the society they exist within or at least aren't as repressed about the reality of it. i think that this post states this point, but this blah blah blah subjectivity argument is a cop out.

just like the days are long (or short), my little brother is younger than me, and aceyalone is male, there is a such thing as crazy or unstable or special, whatever the hell you wanna call it.

i take it that yall are functional. why? why not call it a life and blow those brains out? because you have a certain mindset that states that that is somehow "irrational (read: crazy) behavior."

i mean, do yall know anyone with a "mental illness?"

if not, then i get your textbook ideology. if you do, you should know better.

give or take a fuck, anal or otherwise, we exist in some shit that we deem reality and how we interact with this reality determines, to some degree, the state of our minds.

some of us are crazy.

some of us see things that aren't there. (not things that others are not privy to, which are outside this realm, but things that simply are not there)

some of hear our names when noone (not even the gods or our ancestors) is calling them.

some of us can't understand why it's important to get up in the morning.

some of us don't see the big fuss with fucking our kids up (in a number of ways, pick a number, any number)

and thats real.
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"This must be what it means to get old. I could hate no one when I was young. Now i can and I do." --Edwidge Danticat

we are a sensitive people
and brave
and the two are inseparable, for
the armor of bravery is necessary
to protect our sensitive skins.

we have many wounds
old wounds that will not heal
we were never given time to heal
to reconcile the past with the present, for
we tread the waters of the past in
living the present. ---me

*****************************
Pay no attention when I laugh. I'm a notorious pervert in that respect

http://atrackbrown.blogspot.com/

"crazy people" aren't anymore in touch with reality than anyone else. they are just competely willing to be in touch with "their reality"...what i mean by the sanity being subjective is that any behavior that u label insane in one group will not be insane in a group full of people that exhibit that behavior. the question then is which standard is the "correct" standard...and there isn't one...i'll be insane to whoever is willing to decide that i am. if saving horseshit in mason jars is insane here...i'll take u some where were it makes all the since in the world. how can u not see that sanity is absolutely relative?
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-illified illustrated

how can u
>not see that sanity is
>absolutely relative?

i'm asking the same in the opposite direction (diff vector).

maybe we're just harping on semantics too much, my ultimate contension is that there are some people who are unable to deal with what we call reality and because of that are not functional in any setting. point blank period.

sure "sanity" and "rationality" vary from place to place, culture to culture, but the phenomenon of being a complete outcast, displaced from society and being unable to function within the context that you were created is not uncommon.

and what are these places that you're talking about? these disperate realities that would deem "craziness" obsolete? the world is not as meticulously divided as you may think (or maybe i'm reading you wrong), there are universal quotients that are common to most, if not all, cultures.

question-do you think it's possible for anyone to be "off kilter?" if not, what does schizophrenic mean to you? <---chosen arbitrarily

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"This must be what it means to get old. I could hate no one when I was young. Now i can and I do." --Edwidge Danticat

we are a sensitive people
and brave
and the two are inseparable, for
the armor of bravery is necessary
to protect our sensitive skins.

we have many wounds
old wounds that will not heal
we were never given time to heal
to reconcile the past with the present, for
we tread the waters of the past in
living the present. ---me

*****************************
Pay no attention when I laugh. I'm a notorious pervert in that respect

http://atrackbrown.blogspot.com/

okay... i see your what we are disagreeing about more clearly now...i think. in theory im not buying this "reality" thing. aside from the issue of sanity i just don't belive that this reality that we are being presented with is neccessarily "the truth." so when i think about "crazy" people being out of touch with reality well i dont think any of us are really in touch with "reality". ---in theory...cuz see i still gotta look both ways when i cross the street....but in the realm of ideas i don't think we can honestly create a consistent category for insanity
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-illified illustrated

madness is, for the most part, a creation of society. by this, i mean that (aside from the "old stanbys" you have mentioned) there is no such thing as insane, unless society says so. or maybe the "old standbys" are just misinterpretations. when we examine those who have been considered genius, we often tend to see that they are on the brink of insanity. could insanity possibly be a higher sate of mind? its just a suggestion. who are we to say, and what is the truth? does anybody even know the truth, especially when more and more "facts" come up as just mere interpretations? maybe truth is just another false fabrication of society? whether or not we choose to believe it, we are scred of what is different, and when it becomes too different, we want to supress it, and push it away from us. thus, we have what is called insanity, for those people with the extremely radical mind sets. personally, i think society has created insanity, psychology, etc out of its own insecurity.
peace and love
divya

((this has just come from the top of my head. maybe later on i will elaborate. i saw this topic, and i find it extremely interesting....))

understanding crazy is easy.
you have a society or a group that has values, rules, laws, codes of conduct...
if you consistently act outside of those things, you are crazy.
it has nothing to do with right and/or wrong.
my 2.


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-morpheus "the matrix"