Can someone please explain to me why Black people are Christians? How can you be a religion that murdered and enslaved you? Christians robbed the Afrikan of her language, of her Gods, of her culture, of her human dignity. Christianity was forced on the Afrikan by the primitive white race, please explain to me how any person of Afrikan decent can honor this blasphemic religion.

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why? i mean, for real, why?


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

I'm sorry, are you saying Afrikan's were in the dark before the christian's came?

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no, i was saying "why" to why this post is up here. christianity is irrelevant as to why black people flock to it. it is peripheral to the real reason...but anyways, on a lighter note.

but the white jesus and the missionaries did bring civilization to the heathen nations that flourished in africa, had they not come, who knows where they'd be?

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Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

it is the people who took things into their own hands, let money,power, and their own supremacy corrupt themselves, and took for granted the fact that Christ died for their sins...

...i'm sick and tired of people saying that Christianity is responsible for slavery.

it is those that professed to be Christians (and didn't act as such) that are responsible for slavery.

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truth is, it WAS religion that enslaved us. and this enslavement was MENTALLY. whether is is christianity, islam, buddism, or whatever, ALL religions enslave the mind. becuz nothing can be verified factually, and they keep u locked in a spell of BELIEVE instead of KNOWLEDGE. the truth is that on in ancient EGYPT (where all religions defected from) did one gain the true knowledge of THE ALL. there systeme was not belief, but knowledge...think.

actually a lot of the Egyptians teachings was based on beliefs no hardcore knowledge or facts. they were great scientists and were very knowledgable for the time but all religion is based on faith. you can use all the logic you want to back up your beliefs but you are basically walking blindly praying there will always be a ground under you.

to think that religion enslaves you is absurd. its supposed to give you direction and focus. the basic ground rules for healthy living. of course this does effect your mode of thinking but look so does music.

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"read the bible" is something someone who has little background knowledge of their "beliefs" says, maybe you should try reading something other than the bible.

>Can someone please explain to me why Black people are Christians? How can you be a religion that murdered and enslaved you?

I askr my Muslim brethren the same thing whenever they use that argument!




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"i'm sick and tired of people saying that Christianity is responsible for slavery. "

who enforced slavery? the primitive white race. Afrikan's were not Christian's that is the point. Why do black people feel as though that religion is so righteous, Christianity is some evil @#$% Who the hell is Christ? Is this person Afrikan?

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Actually Christ is Ethiopian, and so was the first Christian church. What you are referring to is the European bastardized version of Christianity.....

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"Actually Christ is Ethiopian, and so was the first Christian church. What you are referring to is the European bastardized version of Christianity....."

Okay ummm...don't Black people practice the "bastardized" version of christianity? Why is the bible so important? You people can't really believe that those were actually the words of "GOD" ...the names are all fucked up, josh and Mathew-what the hell?

Religion is another form of control.

It is a form of control, which is not neccessarily a bad thing. It brings spiritual guidance and structure to daily living.

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Sir, having conrol over another person's mind or body is never...NEVER a "good" thing.

White Devil's having "control" over the Afrikan's mind, body etc. is why the Afrikan is so fucked up now. That control is why thousands of Black-Afrikan Amerikans are christians, that's all they know, that's all they think is "right" that is what they were taught to believe and that is what they were forced to believe.

if you follow the laws of KMT or that of a traditional Afrikan spirituality system you are following a religion. With guildlines and structure that are designed to bring stability and structure not only to the individual but to the community.

ahhh, man..

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Christianity is not a religion, it is a doctrine. How can it be a religion when it is devoid of spirituality?

How can it be a religion when it has been used to conquer and control and kill... all in the name of god?

How can it be a religion for Black people when Black people who are of African descent have their own spiritual traditions, but cannot seem to wash this bit of spiritual imperalism from their soul?

How can it be a religion when Europeans are disconnected from the Cosmos and have no understanding of what it is to be connected to Everything and Nothing at all?

I must agree with the original precept of this post. Christianity is nothing more and nothing less than a vehicle for European culture hegemony. It was given to Black people to pacify them with their enslavement.

Although I do think that Black churches serve an important function because it brings the community(ies) together, I feel that Christianity runs the risk of tearing it apart.

My two cents.

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is just that.

I mean, I feel like the author of this post definitely has a point (and that is part of the reason I am learning more about other religions/spiritual systems), but I feel like whatever gets you through the day and makes you a better person is all right by me.

I don't have to believe in it. But I can respect that you do.

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I know that's right.

Is understandable I once felt the same way as you. I made that same statement many times not to long ago, but it is not that simple. In truth Christianity is practiced because of over 500 years of conditioning to practice it. The way Christianity is practiced is because it was the way Afrikans were "forced" to practice it. But dig deeper than that, and look beyond what was forced and instituted in today's society. AME, Baptist, The Nation of the Nuwabian Moors, the Black Isrealites each practice Christianity in their way.
The stories in the Bible can be traced to KMT(Egypt).the ten commandments are founded on the principles of MAAT. Jesus's birth and the story of Osiris. The story of Caan and Able. These teachings spread and expanded over time throughout the region over centuries. The Hebrews pulled many of these same teachings into a text "the Bible" when they began to practice their religion. Abraham, the father of the Hebrews, was born in Ethiopia as well. The Pope is documented to pray to the Black, Afrikan, Madonna hell Eastern Orthodox Catholics do as well, they know the truth. Son, I can spit all kinds of stuff at you, but what I ask of you is to read it for yourself, and not just a
a chapter in "Stolen Legacy" or the "Isis Papers", I mean read more, and form your own opinion after that. I do not endorse Christianity on anyone but I do encourage you to read and form become an independent thinker.

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If i was not an "independent thinker" i would be a christian like you.

but not hearing...
read the post overstanding it. it does not require a responce.

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>>bastardized version of Christianity

isn't that oxymoronic?!?!

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

OK,, OK,,
I come out I am Christian. I do not feel that KMT and Christianity mirror in many ways, I practice with that in mind.

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Christianity and the teachings of KMT mirror in many ways....And while they are not comepletly on in the same they both provide me with relevance in my life...


peace...

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Dude the word "black-christian" should be an oxymoron.

Go do a web search on the Coptic Church, Black Saints, and then come holla at us!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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"While the Copts claim that their church was formed by the evangelist Mark, there are no historical sources that clearly tell how the Egyptian, later Coptic, church was formed."


The Coptic church is some white shyt too. (EVIL!!!!!)

I really hope you were not referring to me as "nigga"

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BRING IT!!!

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

I'm sure you can provide historical documentation to back this up............

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bullshit....the coptic church was later and an offshoot.
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Christ stems the Greek "Kristos" which means "The Anointed." This tradition stems from The KMTic (ancient Egyptian) "KRST" which also means "the anointed." It was a title referring to the resurrected savior Asar (Osiris). It literally was in referrence to the dead body that is anointed with oils in preparation for burial. But It took on a greater meaning a Asr was a representation of the indwelling spirit. As far as the Biblical Jesus goes, most of the gospels are direct derivatives from the Asarian Drama and tales of Asar's son, Heru.

So in a sense he WAS AFRIKAN.

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damn!!!!! i was too late. "nooooo orlando, nooooooo!!!!!!" <care of chezaray>


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

But am refering to the new Testament and that of the individual man himself who was born on the border of Ethiopia and Egypt and spread many of the teachings of KMT throughout Persia.....

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which teachings?


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

this book, my memory excapes me, I read about Jesus and his development in Afrika before he began his travels. The book can be found in the bookstore on Ashby and MLK. The ask the man at the desk. Funny, a Nuwabian peeped me to it, nothing against Nuwabians.

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Whether he was African or not, how is he used?

I mean, I adore a history lesson as much as anyone, but history don't mean shit if you don't bring it along with how it is used!

_Not_ to mention that Greeks used to go to Egypt all the time and learn from the KMT's... in fact, all this shit we are mired in today could be seen, in a sense, to be the result of an error made by Plato in trying to comprehend the KMT's teachings... substititing "or" for "and". A little mistake with HUGE consequences.

Everything points to Jesus being a Black man. From this you say, to what Dr. Francis Cress-Welsing writes. But the truth of the matter is that Jesus is not presented this way. When Europeans crusade in his name, the image they had in their heads is not an African Jesus. When they do "missions" in his name, the face they show people reflects theirs. This is yet another way (lie) they (white folks) have warped KMT's teachings and USE it to enslaved and bolster their own feelings of superiority and self-worth.

"If you Black, get back."

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Your sword is not as sharp as other folks and you rushin into battle!!!


Check out the human rights violations occuring in Mali, Sudan and other countries in the Sahel area, and also in Malaysia/Indonesia(which is more teen prostitution). These are Muslim countries!!!! Not too say that Christianity does not have it's demons, however, I NEVER said Christianity was superior than another. It just happens to be the religion I practice.

You are mislead into believing that Christianity was not practiced in Africa, as another poster pointed out Ethiopia and The Coptic Church.

What do you think those Africans who practice ancestral religions, say about Islam? After all, Islam is not native to Africa either! Who do you think is getting targeted for the Slave trade in The Sudan?

Just something to think about............





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"Check out the human rights violations occuring in Mali, Sudan and other countries in the Sahel area, and also in Malaysia/Indonesia(which is more teen prostitution). These are Muslim countries!!!!"

what human rights are being violated?

there is a modern day holocaust going on down there. basically, the sudanese (sp) government, which is run by a regime of muslim/islam dictators, is killing/enslaving/terrorizing any citizens who are non-muslims. they are enslaving children and forcing teachings of the quaran on them. they are amputating the breasts of non-muslim women so they cannot feed their children. they are destroying churches, killing villagers, and this is only a very small amount of what this government is doing to the people of the sudan. funny how the news isn't covering it. must not be any oil to win out there.

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okay let me rephrase.....where is the proof of what yall are talking about. and if the news aint coverin it, how did you get your info? show us the article(s) where you guys are gettin this info from? in other words,...put up, or......please be silent.

Amnesty International's 2000 Report on Sudan.

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okay. got it.

but......,

"Check out the human rights violations occuring in Mali, Sudan and other countries in the Sahel area, and also in Malaysia/Indonesia(which is more teen prostitution). These are Muslim countries!!!!"

"basically, the sudanese (sp) government, which is run by a regime of muslim/islam dictators, is killing/enslaving/terrorizing any citizens who are non-muslims. they are enslaving children and forcing teachings of the quaran on them. they are amputating the breasts of non-muslim women so they cannot feed their children. they are destroying churches, killing villagers, and this is only a very small amount of what this government is doing to the people of the sudan. funny how the news isn't covering it. must not be any oil to win out there."

even if every muslim in the entire world was doing this, it is not Islam or part of Islam.there is a diff. between Islam and a muslim.

all muslims dont practice like theyare supposed to, like all christians dont practice like they are supposed to.

Jugde the people by Islam, dont judge Islam by the people!

"Islam is not native to Africa either!"
correct. but when the prophet muhammad sent muslims to ethiopia, why did the king Negus accept Islam? was he forced by muslims who were seeking his protection in the first place? or did he realize the truth?

But the original stance was a broad general statement condemning Christianity as though Muslims had NEVER commited any heinous crimes.

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but what's that got to do with Islam. nothing at all. the post is about black christians not black muslims.

and the diff. here is:
african slaves got they asses whooped into christianity, and african americans today CHOOSE Islam regardless of what is giong on in the world. they know it is the truth. do you think all those soldiers who went to Saudi during the Gulf War accepted Islam as their way of life so saddam wouldnt kill them? if so why are they still muslim.

thank Allah, dont thank me.

p.s. and those africans that were muslim slaves, do you think they were forced into Islam too....(see kunta kinte in Roots, brah)

i don't know, everyone has to make their own choices......i'm no theologian.....

but, here's a thought:

would you be christian if european colonists "whipped" islam into black slaves?

your beef isn't with christianity......your issue is with white america.....

if it weren't for beef with the white man, half of the blacks flocking to the muslim way of life wouldn't be there......

being a strong christian myself, i don't see the power in islam.....i don't see the attraction to muhammad, the quaran, etc, other than it puts black men and women on a pedestal (ie. god's/earths).....it's more of an esteem thing than a spiritual thing.....if there is more, please enlighten me.........



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please see the post "Islam-What do you know about it." in okayactivist. it will explain the "gods/earths" stuff, as it is not Islam.

i did and i understand that the 5% nation is a poor example of true islam.....however, with cats in hip hop so closely relating the two, brothas and sistas searching for somewhere to belong/something to believe in will associate one with the other ........

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Hotep

Please quit giving misleading information about Africans and Islam. I don't want to do justice to it. Not here. Not now.

PEace
Solarus

"Activism is the practice of using an internal, self-determining source of power to live one's life and/or enact some sort of change. Power is the ability to define reality, while self-determination is to decide or define one's self. Therefore activism, is not simply something done to right some wrong or to fight some cause but rather it is a way of life. Activism is the way of life where one can define self and change anything that may impede or control the reality that one chooses to live."-Solarus

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

>but what's that got to do
>with Islam. nothing at all.
>the post is about black
>christians not black muslims.
>
>and the diff. here is:
>african slaves got they asses whooped
>into christianity, and african americans
>today CHOOSE Islam regardless of
>what is giong on in
>the world

And I suppose african americans can't CHOOSE christianity?

The point trying to be made is that you judge a religion by its teachings, not by its practitioners (just as you were saying). So if someone asks "how can african americans be christians", the response has been "why not?" (this doesn't ammount to an endorsement...just clarification).

There are plenty of "scientists" out there that aren't scientists at all...they are sensationalists trying to make a buck. Do I then, as a result, abandon science (and wonder how on earth anyone could EVER be a scientists)?

pick up any book/article on conflict in modern Africa...

one of the local papers here sent reporters there a few years ago to expose the slave trade there.

in addition to the Amnesty Intl. link someone put up, check out archives at cnn.com or the Baltimore Sun paper, or other national news sources. Most places have done something on the topic in the last five years or so.

also check http://www.allafrica.com for breaking news/developments.

L.

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LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
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LHoney17: lmao
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When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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but all of these items are written by non-muslims, who usually when reporting about anything in the islamic/muslim world report bias to their own beliefs. you testified to it yourself on another post. i believe it was "the princess and the marine". you know the media does not rep. the muslims right, because they have nothing to gain by doing so.

On the biased reporting of Westerners, however slavery in Sudan does exist. Westerners would liken it to a Muslim vs. Christian and/or Baggara vs Dinka issue but the real issue is Arab and Arab-descended Muslims enslaving the lowly "abd" (black) despite whether he/she is Muslim, Christian or my favorite Western perjorative "Animist." All blacks are nonhuman thus deservng of being enslaved.

PEace
Solarus

"Activism is the practice of using an internal, self-determining source of power to live one's life and/or enact some sort of change. Power is the ability to define reality, while self-determination is to decide or define one's self. Therefore activism, is not simply something done to right some wrong or to fight some cause but rather it is a way of life. Activism is the way of life where one can define self and change anything that may impede or control the reality that one chooses to live."-Solarus

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

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KizzMyBlakAzz: you've made yourself a shell
KizzMyBlakAzz: i know you're soft and gooey on the inside
LHoney17: I know I am....never said I wasn't
LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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http://omidele.blogspot.com/
http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/

as far as I've seen, the Muslim north has disenfranchised and tried to economically and otherwise destroy the Nubian South. Period.

Slavery exists in the Sudan. Period.

It can be good/bad, religious/secular, whatever. There are a million reasons for the "why," but the facts are there, regardless.

that was my only point.

L.
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KizzMyBlakAzz: you've made yourself a shell
KizzMyBlakAzz: i know you're soft and gooey on the inside
LHoney17: I know I am....never said I wasn't
LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

~~~~
http://omidele.blogspot.com/
http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/

very true...

mistagrump, true that.....

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Christ is not about destruction!! Don't blame God or Jesus for things that men have done. I agree that PEOPLE not Christ have caused many hardships, but Christ doesn't stand for that and you should know better for saying something like that. So called Christians take The Bible and try to fit it to their lives instead of altering themselves to the word of God. Christ is about love for your fellow men and if there isn't love, there isn't Christ. The question you should be asking is how can people call themselves Christians when they aren't about LOVE??

Peace


"Consider me the entity within the industry without the history of spittin' the epitome of stupidity"
~Talib Kweli~

"Consider me the entity within the industry without the history of spittin' the epitome of stupidity" ~Talib Kweli,Blackstar~

What I'm going to say now is that the anger in your words is the direct result of ignorance. First of all, yes I am black, but since you seem to be so into history lessons, how about we discuss the fact that christians did not invent slavery? How about we discuss the fact that slavery was practiced long before Christians arose? How about we discuss the fact that slavery was present in Africa between BLACK tribes long before christians visited the continent? How about we discuss the fact that some tribes were known to trade blacks to Europeans for personal gain during the time of "american slavery" which is all anyone ever seems to refer to as if their knowledge does not extend beyond our own country's short history. Religion does not enslave anyone. You believe what you chose to believe. According to others who have posted, ALL religions enslave because there is no fact behind them? The same thing exists in science except we refer to it as "theory" yet noone seems to question it. How many of you have ever seen an atom? An electron? But you do believe they exist correct? Your choice not to believe in Christianity (or even god for that matter) is in itself a belief. All things fall prey to corruption if not properly maintained. even your speech is corrupt. You seek justification for something which does not concern you because you absolve yourself from it, yet you constantly degrade it as if it needs your approval. Were you firm in your own belief and even lack thereof, then you would need no reassurance. you would be content with the knowledge you feel you possess above everyone else. But you're not, so this discussion is indeed pointless...

"the malice I use is comparable to a warlock." - Murdoc

"I never said that battlin me, would be impossible
I just think it's highly motherfuckin improbable
You talkin to a nigga that can split molecules
to subatomic particles, strong enough to stop a bull
Body-slam two oxes and drop a mule
Urinatin rocket fuel" - Canibus

What's a sig?

doesnt mean atoms dont exist. we are at the point where we can take pictures of atoms and i can post links if you really need it

It's time for us to stand up for ourselves like men and women. You let a muthafucker kick you five times, he's gonna kick you five times. You let him kick you three times, he's gonna kick you three times. You let him kick you twice, he'll kick you twice. You let him kick you once, he'll kick you once. But if you break off the muthafuckin feet, ain't gonna be no more kickin goin on kid.

The white man came to Africa with rifles and Bibles - Dead Prez

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J'ai le sang de mille guerriers Haitiens dans mes veins.

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double- edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrow

You accept the validity of the pictures on faith. You, as an individual have no concept of science other than what people tell you. I can create a picture of what should be "an atom" on photoshop and you'd never know the difference. Why? because you accept on FAITH. Meaning you believe the information that's been presented. Whether you like it or not, life is based on belief. Someone tells you something and either you choose to accept it or you don't. When was the last time YOU looked at an atom? When was the last time YOU took a picture of an atom? You haven't. You simply accpet what others have told you is "science."

"the malice I use is comparable to a warlock." - Murdoc

"I never said that battlin me, would be impossible
I just think it's highly motherfuckin improbable
You talkin to a nigga that can split molecules
to subatomic particles, strong enough to stop a bull
Body-slam two oxes and drop a mule
Urinatin rocket fuel" - Canibus

What's a sig?

Excuses Excuses

In the Sudan do Muslims still enslave Blacks? So how is slavery in Africa all Christians faults. In the Sudan the Muslims, orodox I believe, still enslave Blacks because they believe that they are superiour to the Blacks

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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

clarify

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

actually, nevermind. leave them with something... i mean for real, no need to take souls today. by the way, how's your superchristian roomate? president of the IMF yet or a pastor of some evangelistic tent church? hahahahaha, i beter stop


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

I understand the concerns with the bible as it refers to the ancient text, the Old Testament, and how it borrowed many of the principles of MAAT and that of KMT. But you cannot argue the point that Christ, I hate using the Roman term for him, was Ethiopian..

peace

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MaNNNNNNNN.......HOW COME YALL DON'T KNOW HIS ETHIOPIAN NAME? YALL MAKING SHYT UP NOW
CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL!!!!!!!!! AND IT AINT NO AFRIKAN RELIGION.

WAS NOT THE AFRIKAN A POWER; WAS SHE NOT GREAT ONCE? HONEST STUDENTS OF HISTORY CAN RECALL THE DAY WHEN EGYPT, ETHIOPIA AND TIMBUKTU TOWERED IN "THEIR" CIVILIZATION, WHEN THEY TOWERED ABOVE EUROPE, TOWERED ABOVE ASIA. WHEN A RACE OF CANNIBALS, A RACE OF HEATHENS INHABITED EUROPE. AFRIKA WAS PEOPLED WITH A RACE OF BLACK MEN AND WOMEN WHO WERE CULTURED AND REFINED;MEN WHO, IT IS SAID WERE LIKE THE "GODS"
THE AFRIKAN-AMERIKAN WAS SHREDDED FROM HIS/HER CULTURAL IDENTITY, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS, OF IT? WELL I GUESS ANOTHER WORD FOR ZOMBIE SHOULD BE CHRISTIAN.

Wow! I just got into it with some folks the other day over this same topic. Why (I asked)--with so many languages and cultures on this earth--would there be "ONE" and only one "TRUE" religion. Why is Christianity the bridge to the "sweet hereafter" for so many black folks? Why are Indigenous African Religions/Culture so threatning to Aframs/Africans alike? People choose to forget that Africans were doing their own thing long before they were beat over the head generation after generation with the likes of Ch...,Ca... and Is... . Total conversion comes about when you have convinced a people that EVERYTHING about them is backwards and wrong. Words like "Ugly", "Dirty", "Barbaric" and "Heathen" have all done a great disservice to the well-being of black people. So many institutions so little time...

"We live the now for the promise of the infinite" --Mos Def

"I'm tryin' to soar to altitudes unknown to man, woman or the most agile of birds" --yours truly

"your people first. a quiet strength. the positioning of oneself so that observation becomes reaction, where study is preferred to night life, where emotion is not seen as a weakness. love for self, family, children and extensions of self is beyond the verbal"
--Haki R. Madhubuti

Wassup AmeriKaan nUumber. I am a Roman Catholic myself, and I have learned that Christ was Aramaic, I think. So in His own earthly native tongue, His name was Yeshua or something like that. In English, this would be translated to Joshua. The name Jesus, I forgot, I'm sorry. I think it might mean the chosen one, but I might be thinking of "Christ" which someone already mentioned means "anointed".

I do believe (after attending a workshop for Catholic educators/ ministers by a priest of the Dominican Order) that Christian rituals and beliefs, in Roman Catholicism anyway, certainly do have roots in Egyptian culture. He said that Baptism, was an Egyptian "import", so to say, among other things. My belief is that because of this, Blacks, Africans, etc. equally share ownership of Christianity, regardless of what KKKristians say. So you have every right to reform the evils of this world to absolute truth, because Christ is alive and in YOU. And true Christians will be right by your side in helping quench the thirst for truth. Don't let the wolves in sheep's clothing claiming Christianity while acting as devils detract you friend.

Freedom and Peace,
Derrick

Here yo go again spouting only what makes you look good. if you review history, you can find a time where ANY race was in power above the others. You're killing your own argument. Once again, I am a black christian, but the point you're making is absurd, that everything was perfect before christianity? Then why did it decline? Assume for a moment that christianity was evil and did cause it (which I don't believe) but with that in mind, then it wasn't that perfect if the society was so easily uprooted then was it?

"the malice I use is comparable to a warlock." - Murdoc

"I never said that battlin me, would be impossible
I just think it's highly motherfuckin improbable
You talkin to a nigga that can split molecules
to subatomic particles, strong enough to stop a bull
Body-slam two oxes and drop a mule
Urinatin rocket fuel" - Canibus

What's a sig?

>Can someone please explain to me
>why Black people are Christians?

Because they feel the principles of the Bible are true and contain valuable relevence to thier spiritual needs/beleifs.

>How can you be a
>religion that murdered and enslaved
>you?

The religion had nothing to do with the murdering or enslaving of Africans. People who acted in ingnorance were to blame for enslaving my ancestors. They were not lead by the church or protestant movement to do what they unjustly did.

>Christians robbed the Afrikan
>of her language, of her
>Gods, of her culture, of
>her human dignity.

Christianity was not forced on Africans. If you remember we were brought here as slaves and to work. The white man could have cared less what religion we embraced. They wouldn't have forced the Bible on them if anything which embraces harmony among all people.


>Christianity was
>forced on the Afrikan by
>the primitive white race, please
>explain to me how any
>person of Afrikan decent can
>honor this blasphemic religion.


Who is Christianity blasphemic to? Have you completely dismissed the idea that once African were here and exposed to Christianity they made a chioce to take up the religion. Earlier you said that they were stripped of thier culture and what not. While agree with you on that you make it seem like that because they were taken from thier home they didn't get a chance to find a spirituality that was comfortable for them. Isn't that what matters most? I know black people that are Christians do not embrace the mistakes other people claiming to part of the religion have done, they embrace the teachings of it's scriptures and contentment it rbings thier spirit.





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>>Can someone please explain to me
>>why Black people are Christians?
>
>Because they feel the principles of
>the Bible are true and
>contain valuable relevence to thier
>spiritual needs/beleifs.

true...but over time, we have metamorphasized the faith in several ways to do just that. Check the practices of some independent African Christian churches, sects like the AME church and the Shrine of the Black Madonna (is that the right title?)


>>How can you be a
>>religion that murdered and enslaved
>>you?
>
>The religion had nothing to do
>with the murdering or enslaving
>of Africans. People who acted
>in ingnorance were to blame
>for enslaving my ancestors. They
>were not lead by the
>church or protestant movement to
>do what they unjustly did.

They were led by the church. Many many many reverends and church leaders pointed out passages to enforce the ideology and practice of slavery. Yes, there were many who did just the opposite, but you can't say that it didn't come from the mouths of Christian leaders of the time.



>>Christians robbed the Afrikan
>>of her language, of her
>>Gods, of her culture, of
>>her human dignity.
>
>Christianity was not forced on Africans.
>If you remember we were
>brought here as slaves and
>to work. The white man
>could have cared less what
>religion we embraced. They wouldn't
>have forced the Bible on
>them if anything which embraces
>harmony among all people.

Oh they cared. If they didn't, then Africans would have been allowed to beat drums to communicate. They would not have had to hide their Gods behind Catholic saints. They would have learned to write down their religious tenets in the language of the New World. Shit like that. If you've read anything about the "black codes" or any other laws implemented around religious services and gatherings of slaves, then you would know this to be completely untrue. Slaveowners cared what religion they practiced. They cared a great deal.


>>Christianity was
>>forced on the Afrikan by
>>the primitive white race, please
>>explain to me how any
>>person of Afrikan decent can
>>honor this blasphemic religion.
>
>
>Who is Christianity blasphemic to? Have
>you completely dismissed the idea
>that once African were here
>and exposed to Christianity they
>made a chioce to take
>up the religion.

It wasn't always a choice. They were (or at the very least pretended) to be Christian or they were punished.


>Earlier you
>said that they were stripped
>of thier culture and what
>not. While agree with you
>on that you make it
>seem like that because they
>were taken from thier home
>they didn't get a chance
>to find a spirituality that
>was comfortable for them. Isn't
>that what matters most?

yes, that is what matters, but if you look at the history of the Black church in America, there was always something missing from the ideals of "White" (for lack of a better term) Christianity that caused Black folk to form their own centers of worship and cultural expressions within those centers.

maybe u know all this and just didn't express it, but I just had to drop my two cents.

L.
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KizzMyBlakAzz: you've made yourself a shell
KizzMyBlakAzz: i know you're soft and gooey on the inside
LHoney17: I know I am....never said I wasn't
LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

~~~~
http://omidele.blogspot.com/
http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/