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"Two Disturbing Wal-Mart Facts"


  

          

- The Average annual salary for a Wal-Mart employee is $18,000.00

$18,000.00 X 12 mos = $1500.00 per month

$1500.00 / 4 weeks = $375.00 per week (before taxes)

give or take...(this is only an assumption mind you) the net take home pay is around.... $196.53 per week? maybe more?

either way, that's considered right at the poverty level....practically welfare.

- More than 1/3 of it's employees (mostly black and hispanic) have no health insurance coverage

...and these niggas are on the commercial grind talkin about how much Wal-Mart has done for thier community.

disgusting.


  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Plus their Health care package SUCKS
Apr 19th 2004
1
Fucking Capitalism
Apr 19th 2004
2
weird...
Apr 25th 2004
41
Are you sure that this is salary and not wages?
Apr 19th 2004
3
The trying to build one in the Chi now...
Apr 19th 2004
6
RE: The trying to build one in the Chi now...
Apr 20th 2004
13
WHO IS TO BLAME?
Femi_Omojigijigiosetuatobalehinibode
Apr 21st 2004
33
on the corner of crenshaw and mlk
Apr 23rd 2004
34
Houston, Dallas, Austin
Apr 23rd 2004
38
Here you go.
Apr 19th 2004
4
And what is your wage my dear?
Apr 19th 2004
5
RE: And what is your wage my dear?
Apr 19th 2004
8
      RE: ....your ranting was pointless.
Apr 20th 2004
10
           RE: ....your ranting was pointless.
Apr 20th 2004
15
                RE: ....your ranting was pointless.
Apr 20th 2004
26
RE: You obviously don't know what your talking about
Apr 20th 2004
9
      RE: You obviously don't know what your talking about
Apr 20th 2004
16
      RE: You still don't know what your talking about
Apr 20th 2004
25
      very interesting
Apr 23rd 2004
35
      LINK doesnt go anywhere
Apr 20th 2004
28
I have said it before and I will say it agian
Apr 19th 2004
7
word
Apr 20th 2004
18
uh
Apr 20th 2004
11
RE: the stats came from MSNBC.
Apr 20th 2004
14
      oh yea...
Apr 20th 2004
17
           Proposing that people are actually rewarded
Apr 20th 2004
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                RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded
Apr 20th 2004
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                RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded
Apr 20th 2004
22
                     RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded
Apr 20th 2004
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                          forgive me
Apr 23rd 2004
37
                               ok i understand what your saying
Apr 23rd 2004
39
                FUCK moral responsibility
Apr 20th 2004
24
                     anddd for many........
Apr 20th 2004
30
i worked at wal mart for 2 years
Apr 20th 2004
12
the Wal-Mart boycott
Apr 20th 2004
20
its wal-mart, how much do you think they should be payi
Apr 20th 2004
27
RE: its wal-mart, how much do you think they should be
Apr 20th 2004
29
i'm loving the responses
Apr 20th 2004
31
RE: i'm loving the responses
mcneter
Apr 21st 2004
32
RE: Plus
Apr 23rd 2004
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Compared to their options it's manna from heaven
Apr 24th 2004
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PayDay
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1. "Plus their Health care package SUCKS"
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Burp!

Burp!

  

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2. "Fucking Capitalism"
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Here at Florida State....The university janitors and maintance men(where 99% of them are black men)....make about 13000 a year.......How the fuck is someone suppose to raise a Family...........Let me hear another bitch ask me why most Americans are in Debt...

  

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41. "weird..."
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...how you say "fucking capitalism" is if the economic system is responsible for a Walmart employees measly salary. I don't get that. How do you reason it out?

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3. "Are you sure that this is salary and not wages?"
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Mon Apr-19-04 01:58 PM

  

          

And are you also sure that these numbers are for full time employees?

Either way, I am skeptical about your post. I ain't never seen a Wal-Mart in the city. Name some for me. Most Wal-Marts that I have run across are out in the boonies, where cost of living is way cheaper so that 18k a year is in fact liveable. Also, who you know trying to make a career out of a Wal-Mart gig? Most cats that I know who work at Wal-Mart(Columbia, MO) do it for extra loot and/or on a temporary basis.

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6. "The trying to build one in the Chi now..."
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like the 24th ward or something like that. It's some controversy

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13. "RE: The trying to build one in the Chi now..."
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I just heard about it on the radio yesterday, they are trying to redo the zoning. I mean, Chi Town, especially the South and West side, could use any commercial business, but the problem with WalFart is that THEY bank, whereas their employees don't get shit. Also, I don't believe they have a union, or I heard something along those lines.

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33. "WHO IS TO BLAME?"
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IT IS EASY TO BLAME CAPITALISM, AND I AM NOT SAYING ITS NOT WRONG, ITS EFFING WRONG,

BUT HOW MANY BLACKS HAVE WORKED THERE FOR 5 YEARS ++++ >>>A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE CONTINUE TO STAY IN THAT POSITION WHERE THEY CAN BE EXPLOITED BY SHIT LIKE THIS, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE TO GRIND, YOU GOTTA DO WHAT U GOTTA DO, BUT HOW CAN U STAY IN A POSITION THAT IS *OBVIOUSLY* SCREWING YOU AND LAUGHING IN YOUR FACE...

  

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34. "on the corner of crenshaw and mlk"
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there's a wal-mart smack dab in the middle of south central l.a. and there was recently a vote to stop them from building another one (one of the supercenters with grocery stores, etc) in inglewood.

i hear that wal-mart is trying to penetrate a lot of cali. specially in the cities. l.a. and oakland to be specific.


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38. "Houston, Dallas, Austin"
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Not to mention they're popping up in Cali suburbs as well. But in TX, Wal-Mart is all over the metropolitan areas, may not be like that up north though.


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4. "Here you go."
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As a walmart employee, I can tell you that you are full of monkey shit. This is another post resulting from someone talking out their ass and STATING something, rather than investigating and asking. Wal Mart gives offers insurance for PT employees, and even better coverage, and its not expensive at all. So if they dont have it, its because they chose not to get it. Next time, have a vague clue as to what the fuck you're talking about.

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5. "And what is your wage my dear?"
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How much will be your wage after a few more years?

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8. "RE: And what is your wage my dear?"
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You may ask me my childs age dear, but not my own. (c) all gods children need traveling shoes. I make aight money, but im part time and haven't worked there a full year. My dispute was not with what you get paid, but that they dont have good benefits.

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10. "RE: ....your ranting was pointless."
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>You may ask me my childs age dear, but not my own. (c) all
>gods children need traveling shoes. I make aight money, but
>im part time and haven't worked there a full year. My
>dispute was not with what you get paid, but that they dont
>have good benefits.

so, you haven't even workeed at Wal-Mart a full year huh?

and your already bamboozling yourself to be thier spokesman in defense of thier corrupt policies towards thier employees.

yet you admit that thier health benefits are poor.

after reading both of your replies, you sound pretty confused. and i'm assuming that your young, have no kids, and still live at home with your mommy and daddy with no real financial responsibilities.

otherwise...you are in no position to speak for the majority on what you just said.

there are folks who literally live off thier pay from places such as Wal-Mart. folks who have family's to feed, rent to pay, clothes to buy for thier children, car note's, insurance, mortgage, food.....the basic everyday expenses.

if you have those kinds of financial responsibilities, then you must either be getting paid some good ass money or have a REALLY good financial advisor (who also cost money).

otherwise, you are sadly mistaken to believe that a family of four can survive off of 18 grand a year.

do the math son. and try to live outside the small corner of your bedroom in your parents house.

there is much more to what you think is going on in the real world you have yet to explore and experience.

  

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17sana
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15. "RE: ....your ranting was pointless."
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.
>
>so, you haven't even workeed at Wal-Mart a full year huh?
>
Nope. And I'm not signing to be anyone's spokesperson, I'm just saying that they have good benefits.
>after reading both of your replies, you sound pretty
>confused. and i'm assuming that your young, have no kids,
>and still live at home with your mommy and daddy with no
>real financial responsibilities.
Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. I do not live at home, and I pay all my bills and tuition by myself. No parents handing me anything, so the next time you think you have someone figured out, pull your head out of your ass and try again. Wal Mart is not my only job, I work three, and carry a full time class load, so you can't even BEGIN to tell me anything about how far money stretches. I don't have children, which I didn't think was such a rarity for someone 20 years old.
>
>otherwise...you are in no position to speak for the majority
>on what you just said.
>
>there are folks who literally live off thier pay from places
>such as Wal-Mart. folks who have family's to feed, rent to
>pay, clothes to buy for thier children, car note's,
>insurance, mortgage, food.....the basic everyday expenses.
>I damn sure didn't say it was good money, but I know many other places who pay much less. If you are raising a family of four, you are gonna be struggling regardless, unless you got a helluva a good job. So why you tryna palm it off on wal mart?
>if you have those kinds of financial responsibilities, then
>you must either be getting paid some good ass money or have
>a REALLY good financial advisor (who also cost money).
>
>otherwise, you are sadly mistaken to believe that a family
>of four can survive off of 18 grand a year. I know many ppl who survived off much less. Im not saying it was good living, but they lived. Matter of fact, I my mother did it for a good part of my childhood, so you can't tell me a god damned thing about it.
>
>do the math son. and try to live outside the small corner of
>your bedroom in your parents house.
>
>there is much more to what you think is going on in the real
>world you have yet to explore and experience.

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26. "RE: ....your ranting was pointless."
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>.
>>
>>so, you haven't even workeed at Wal-Mart a full year huh?
>>
>Nope. And I'm not signing to be anyone's spokesperson, I'm
>just saying that they have good benefits.
>>after reading both of your replies, you sound pretty
>>confused. and i'm assuming that your young, have no kids,
>>and still live at home with your mommy and daddy with no
>>real financial responsibilities.
>Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. I do not live at
>home, and I pay all my bills and tuition by myself. No
>parents handing me anything, so the next time you think you
>have someone figured out, pull your head out of your ass and
>try again. Wal Mart is not my only job, I work three, and
>carry a full time class load, so you can't even BEGIN to
>tell me anything about how far money stretches. I don't have
>children, which I didn't think was such a rarity for someone
>20 years old.
>>
>>otherwise...you are in no position to speak for the majority
>>on what you just said.
>>
>>there are folks who literally live off thier pay from places
>>such as Wal-Mart. folks who have family's to feed, rent to
>>pay, clothes to buy for thier children, car note's,
>>insurance, mortgage, food.....the basic everyday expenses.
>>I damn sure didn't say it was good money, but I know many other places who pay much less. If you are raising a family of four, you are gonna be struggling regardless, unless you got a helluva a good job. So why you tryna palm it off on wal mart?
>>if you have those kinds of financial responsibilities, then
>>you must either be getting paid some good ass money or have
>>a REALLY good financial advisor (who also cost money).
>>
>>otherwise, you are sadly mistaken to believe that a family
>>of four can survive off of 18 grand a year. I know many ppl who survived off much less. Im not saying it was good living, but they lived. Matter of fact, I my mother did it for a good part of my childhood, so you can't tell me a god damned thing about it.
>>
>>do the math son. and try to live outside the small corner of
>>your bedroom in your parents house.
>>
>>there is much more to what you think is going on in the real
>>world you have yet to explore and experience.

sigh.....more ranting.

i really don't care what you do for a living or how you do it.

nor do i care what your expenses are.

all i know is that your immature replies led me to assume that you still exist ion your own little world of what you think reality is.

either way...you're only going to believe what you want to believe since you enjoy hearing yourself talk.

i posted what was debated on a new program.

but you continue to argue without a basis of an arguement.

im done here.

carry on if you wish.

1ne.

  

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9. "RE: You obviously don't know what your talking about"
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>As a walmart employee, I can tell you that you are full of
>monkey shit. This is another post resulting from someone
>talking out their ass and STATING something, rather than
>investigating and asking. Wal Mart gives offers insurance
>for PT employees, and even better coverage, and its not
>expensive at all. So if they dont have it, its because they
>chose not to get it. Next time, have a vague clue as to what
>the fuck you're talking about.

wow......how sure are you that I didn't research what a posted?

the stats i posted came from MSNBC (c) Countdown with Keith Olberman - Monday April 19th.

Olberman was interviewing a financial correspondent for the network about Wal-Mart and it's current campaign to change it's view of being a money-grabbing conglomerate.

the transcript of last night's show should be updated and available by tomorrow.

here is the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

next time....pay attention and think before your speak.

and in the future, i suggest that you understand the issue at hand, and base your reply on facts instead of assuming shit and throwing temper tantrums.



  

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16. "RE: You obviously don't know what your talking about"
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Sweetie,
I do not doubt for a moment that those stats are actual. Do you know the list of benefits that wal mart employees receive? Have you studied the pros and cons of available insurance plans?? Have you checked out their stockmatching program?? Have you read a word about their annual bonus check, based on store profitability? If you wanna go on a tirade against walmart, be my guest. Say you dont like them, say they are making it impossible for any store other than walmart to survive, say that you're sick of hearing about it. I wouldn't disagree. My issue was that you make sure the things you are quoting are correct. and that you know the WHOLE story first.

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25. "RE: You still don't know what your talking about"
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>Sweetie,
>I do not doubt for a moment that those stats are actual.

...if that's the case, then what was the point of your arguement?


>Do you know the list of benefits that wal mart employees
>receive? Have you studied the pros and cons of available
>insurance plans?? Have you checked out their stockmatching
>program?? Have you read a word about their annual bonus
>check, based on store profitability? If you wanna go on a
>tirade against walmart, be my guest. Say you dont like them,
>say they are making it impossible for any store other than
>walmart to survive, say that you're sick of hearing about
>it. I wouldn't disagree. My issue was that you make sure the
>things you are quoting are correct. and that you know the
>WHOLE story first.

lol ....kids.

....i just explained to you that the stats came from MSNBC. I explained this to you because you foolishly assumed that i was making up facts with this post.

yet, you claim that you wanted to make sure i knew what i was talking about huh?

...yeah, okay.

i'll just leave it at that since it's obvious that your immaturity won't allow you to accept the fact that you were clueless to where my facts came from until you ended up putting your damn foot in your mouth, after i told you it's source.

i suggest that you grow up before you continue to overstep your ego and challenge someone who's always going one step ahead of you.

i'm pretty much done with you here.

***moving on to another post***

1ne.


  

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35. "very interesting"
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sounds like you're mildly conflicted. like you recognize that you can use wal-mart to a certain extent to maintain/improve your situation, but that you also see a big picture where the company's philosphy negatively impacts the socioeconomic conditions throughout the world.

frankly, i'd like to hear more about your experiences. not sure where to start asking, though.

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28. "LINK doesnt go anywhere"
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is that supposed to go to a transcript or something, cuz it doesnt go anywhere. i want to see something written down. cuz as everyone is aware, just cuz some guy on tv says something, doesnt automatically authenticate them (ask bill o reilly)

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7. "I have said it before and I will say it agian"
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FUCK WAL MART

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18. "word"
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11. "uh"
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#1 walmart employees get excellent full time benefits and part timers are also offered a benefits package. so you are wrong there.

#2 they get 18,000 per year? BOO FUCKING HOO!!! they work at walmart running remedial fucking tasks.

  

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14. "RE: the stats came from MSNBC."
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>#1 walmart employees get excellent full time benefits and
>part timers are also offered a benefits package. so you are
>wrong there.

1. there is a difference between being "offered" health benefits and "approved" for health benefits.

2. i didn't say that all part-time and full time workers recieved no health benefits. more than 1/3 of them are receiving little next to no health coverage. an average of 1/3 of the population does not make up the majorty. do the math.

3. the stats i posted came from MSNBC. therefore, e-mail your rebuttal to them.


  

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17. "oh yea..."
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one more thing, people dont have to work there, they can always go to kmart! your problem is you think people who work at walmart deserve higher pay and better healthcare but thats retarded given the type of work they do. no offense to my walmart peeps but a trained monkey could run a register.

  

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19. "Proposing that people are actually rewarded"
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for their effort, training, experience, etc. may not be such a bad idea but the real world doesn't work that way. Do you think there's anything particularly challenging in Britney Spears' work? Do you think a trained monkey would have a hard time playing Nelly for a day? People get paid shit at WalMart because WalMart can get away with paying people shit, plain and simple.

With the industrial base in America declining dramatically there are only so many jobs that someone without a college degree or technical accreditation can do. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe WalMart is the largest single employer in the US. As such, it has a moral responsibility to pay its employees a living wage, regardless of minimum wage laws. What we need is a return to the Keynesian ideals of a living wage and full employment in order to take full advantage of the human resources in this great country of yours.

Paying people only enough to survive at the basest level is economically inefficient. The US rates sixteenth among industrialized nations on the UN's Human Poverty Index; given its massive natural resource advantages and lack of enemies it should be number one. Paying people shit at WalMart is a symptom of a much larger problem.

  

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21. "RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded"
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>for their effort, training, experience, etc. may not be such
>a bad idea but the real world doesn't work that way. Do you
>think there's anything particularly challenging in Britney
>Spears' work? Do you think a trained monkey would have a
>hard time playing Nelly for a day? People get paid shit at
>WalMart because WalMart can get away with paying people
>shit, plain and simple.

in america people are paid their value which is completely fair since no one forces people to work there. (unlike a socialist/communist country) if 18,000 is what walmart believes most of their employees are worth, and their employees agree to the pay then its fair and their value has been established.
>
>With the industrial base in America declining dramatically
>there are only so many jobs that someone without a college
>degree or technical accreditation can do. Correct me if I'm
>wrong, but I believe WalMart is the largest single employer
>in the US. As such, it has a moral responsibility to pay
>its employees a living wage, regardless of minimum wage
>laws. What we need is a return to the Keynesian ideals of a
>living wage and full employment in order to take full
>advantage of the human resources in this great country of
>yours.

moral responsiblity? not everyone shares the same moral preception as you and that is allowed and that is why i love living here. again, no one forces people to work at walmart. god bless capitalism.
>
>Paying people only enough to survive at the basest level is
>economically inefficient. The US rates sixteenth among
>industrialized nations on the UN's Human Poverty Index;
>given its massive natural resource advantages and lack of
>enemies it should be number one. Paying people shit at
>WalMart is a symptom of a much larger problem.

ineffeciant for whom?

  

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22. "RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded"
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>in america people are paid their value which is completely
>fair since no one forces people to work there. (unlike a
>socialist/communist country) if 18,000 is what walmart
>believes most of their employees are worth, and their
>employees agree to the pay then its fair and their value has
>been established.

I can appreciate how you feel but I don't believe it's true. In Japan (a capitalist country by any measure) CEOs are paid on average 11-12 times what a base-level employee makes. In the States it's over two hundred times. There isn't a free labour market in the US, corporations are subsidized by the government. Just because employees agree to work for that amount doesn't mean that they're happy about it, or that $18 000 accurately reflects what they add to the company. Only because of mass unemployment can WalMart get away with paying such a shitty wage.

>moral responsiblity? not everyone shares the same moral
>preception as you and that is allowed and that is why i love
>living here. again, no one forces people to work at walmart.
>god bless capitalism.

No one forces people to work at WalMart? What about Ford or GM, who outsource the majority of their production overseas? You don't think people are forced to work at WalMart? I don't think you have a very good idea of what it's like to be poor. Capitalism isn't an absolute, people take various measures to offset the negative effects of capitalism. Things like universal health care and education were created because people knew if the "free market" were to take over that wealth would centralize and poor people would get fucked. This is what Adam Smith wrote about in The Wealth of Nations.

>ineffeciant for whom?

Inefficient for the economy. By paying people who are lower on the income ladder more money, you are giving them more money to spend - which they have to do because they need things to survive. When you give the rich more money, a lot of it ends up in hedge funds and speculative investments which don't contribute to the growth of the economy. The money just gets kicked around the world looking for weak markets to exploit. Paying factory workers (or in this case, WalMart employees) more gives them more money to spend, which means more profits for you and a bigger production/distribution base which allows you to exploit economies of scale (and compete internationally). It's called Fordism.

I think maybe you should read up on economics a bit before you begin talking about what's good/bad for the American economy. A lot of the right-wing cats gloss over the broad implications of what they're saying.

PS what is it you like so much about capitalism?



  

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23. "RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded"
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>I can appreciate how you feel but I don't believe it's true.
> In Japan (a capitalist country by any measure) CEOs are
>paid on average 11-12 times what a base-level employee
>makes. In the States it's over two hundred times.

so?

There
>isn't a free labour market in the US, corporations are
>subsidized by the government.

how?

Just because employees agree
>to work for that amount doesn't mean that they're happy
>about it, or that $18 000 accurately reflects what they add
>to the company. Only because of mass unemployment can
>WalMart get away with paying such a shitty wage.

walmart should be allowed to pay whatever they want since this is a free country. if you dont like it dont work there and dont go to walmart and support them.
>
>No one forces people to work at WalMart? What about Ford or
>GM, who outsource the majority of their production overseas?
> You don't think people are forced to work at WalMart? I
>don't think you have a very good idea of what it's like to
>be poor.

poor people can work whereever they want. the reason why this post was started was becuase someone said walmart pays poorly and has a poor healthcare record. i dont see this as a big deal cause people are free to work there or not.

Capitalism isn't an absolute, people take various
>measures to offset the negative effects of capitalism.
>Things like universal health care and education were created
>because people knew if the "free market" were to take over
>that wealth would centralize and poor people would get
>fucked.

you have to pull your own weight, dont expect the rest of society to bear your burden for you.

This is what Adam Smith wrote about in The Wealth
>of Nations.

read ayn rands 'virtue of selfishness'
>
>Inefficient for the economy. By paying people who are lower
>on the income ladder more money, you are giving them more
>money to spend - which they have to do because they need
>things to survive. When you give the rich more money, a lot
>of it ends up in hedge funds and speculative investments
>which don't contribute to the growth of the economy. The
>money just gets kicked around the world looking for weak
>markets to exploit.

your talking about shrinking the wealth gap. you are talking about things that do not comply with a free society. i believe in freedom, you believe in limiting people paychecks and you are talking about the redistubution of wealth which is socialism/communism and we both know how that turned out in reality. the elite got even more money. the wealth gap was far greater.

Paying factory workers (or in this
>case, WalMart employees) more gives them more money to
>spend, which means more profits for you and a bigger
>production/distribution base which allows you to exploit
>economies of scale (and compete internationally). It's
>called Fordism.

that works when only a few companies do that. profit sharing is obviously motivational and improves worker production. but you are talking about a blatant pay raise. how does the corporation pay for all this? you say it will increase profits but that is not a guarantee. if it were a guarantee then every company would do it.
>
>I think maybe you should read up on economics a bit before
>you begin talking about what's good/bad for the American
>economy. A lot of the right-wing cats gloss over the broad
>implications of what they're saying.

im not right wing, im an objectivist/libertarian. i also get my info from the economist.

>
>PS what is it you like so much about capitalism?

the ability to progress rapidly.

  

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37. "forgive me"
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but it seems like you have a pretty cold view of the wal-mart effect.

with all due respect to the free-market system, the prosperity that was achieved in the u.s. circa 1940-1960 was the direct result of good paying jobs (generally manufacturing) that elevated ordinary citizens to the middle class and allowed them to stay there (apologies to the g.i. bill, of course).

imo...(and in the eyes of many)...wal-mart is what we have been left with since the purposeful shift from a manufacturing economy to a service economy (circa 1970). and i believe that many people in this thread are arguing that wal-mart (as the largest non-govt employer in both the u.s. and mexico) has established a standard of compensation that simply doesn't allow ordinary citizens to gain middle class status and/or maintain it.

quite frankly, it's the middle class that separates the first world from the third world. for better and worse.


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39. "ok i understand what your saying"
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peace

  

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24. "FUCK moral responsibility"
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I am a greedy bastard and I admit it. However, green runs this nation. We live in a capitalist society, and those who are not conscious of their money will eventually die out.

Walmart has the right to pay whatever they wish as ling as it is $5.15 or above. I have 3 friends who work at different Wal-marts and their pay depends on the work that they do. One is the person who greets customers as they walk i and gives them carts. he gets paid shit, cuz hi job requires absolutely nothing whatsoever. One works stock and does alot of physical labor and gets paid more than the greter guy. Third person, the chick works at the pharmacy in walmart, and trust me, she makes a hell of a lot more than 18,000 a year.

simply enough, if you are supporting a family on walmart, it aint anyones fault but your own. Go back to school and get a higher education if no one else will hire you.

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30. "anddd for many........"
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RETAIL--FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.....

Are The Stepping Stones To Other, Better Places For Many.

high school,college students,retiree's,people with second incomes(mates/marriage..)...quite often make up the work force.

in retail, but with the second income backup.
both of us with medical benefits, payed vacation,other holidays...

myself--store discounts,travel on the company,time to leave work attend to personal needs, return....
as long as there is an extra income it can be beneficial until one decides to move on for something better.

not with walmart, but the store was for the good, until moved,leaving an empty,desolate area, but good for the new move for others.

one plus advantage for x-employees in retail is a return to supplement their bigger earnings for whatever reason.

in retail one usually can return x'ssssss over as part-timers and do, just for xtra money,or an urgent need for cash...

imagine being withn walking distance,or not too far away after that full-time job.

BUT,DEFINITELY NOT A PLACE TO BE FOR A RELIABLE INCOME/NO BENEFITS/NO BACKUP INCOME.

DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION OF THE STORES, ANY OF THEM CAN BE FOR THE GOOD,OR BAD.





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12. "i worked at wal mart for 2 years"
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i have worked at 3 wal marts before. i worked there for 2 years in college, part time for a while after i graduated, and at another one when i was between REAL jobs.

so what if they offer insurance to part time workers. if you work 20 hours a week and make $6/hour u might just decide to not get the insurance so u can keep more of what little money you make. wal-mart is big about getting into your mental and making you beleive it's a great place to work. when they have meetings they do the wal mart cheer and shit like that.

they do have the employee stock plan where you can buy wal mart stock thru payroll deductions. they have a retirement plan, 401k and so on, but how much shit can you take out of your check if u ain't makin no money. i remember working at wal mart for 5.50/hr reading about them breaking the $100 bilion mark for the first time, and going outside when it was 100+ degrees to round up them damn shopping carts.

it worked out for me when i was in college because they were flexible with my hours and just scheduled me around my school schedule. as somebody trying to survive tho, it's DEFINITELLY NOT a good place to work. pretty much unless you are a student, someone who is trying to suplement the breadwinner's income in your household, or someome who is just looking for a job becasue you have nothing better to do with your time it's not the place to be.

the only good thing i can say about my expereince working at walmart is that with that experience i can almost always find a job in retail when things get tight. that's what i'm doing right now. having worked at wal mart makes it easier to get a job at most any store, but retail in general doesn't pay very well until you start getting into management.

  

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27. "its wal-mart, how much do you think they should be payi"
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29. "RE: its wal-mart, how much do you think they should be"
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i think it's not as much about the pay as it is their comercials that depict them as doing good things for the communities that the stores are in. they are doing the opposite of what they attempt to portray in the comercials.

  

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31. "i'm loving the responses"
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ok 1) I used to work at walmart and yes the pay and benefits do suck.(altho the profit sharing was nice)
2) To those who say nobody's forced to work there, pick a small city near you, go to their newspapers want ads and see how many jobs are advertised. I worked with several people who had university and college degrees but could not find work in their field and had no other option but to take a job at Walmart
3) Trained monkeys probably could do the job, but the SPCA or PETA would never let them be subjected to the abuse walmart employees receive from customers

I guess I better blow up -OUUUHHMPH

  

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32. "RE: i'm loving the responses"
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MC Blowfish, I like your last comment about Peta.

  

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Their child labor practice is one of the biggest in the world.

peace.

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40. "Compared to their options it's manna from heaven"
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