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Expertise
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"The Clinton Pardons"


  

          

Cmon now, even you OkaySocialists gotta admit this is dirty.

Pardoning an expatriate tax evading billionaire?

Pardoning his own brother, just so he can get right back in trouble with the law?

Pardoning 4 more criminals in New York so Hillary can gain votes that she would have never gotten otherwise?

Clemency for a drug dealer that sent 800 llbs of cocaine to Minnesota to change it into crack and sell it on the streets?

Clemency for a quack business man who was selling fraudulent products to people and evading taxes?

And I haven't even gone into the money side of it YET.

After this scandal, along with ALL the other scandals that have occurred in the past 8 years, you cannot say Clinton isn't a crook, and Hillary shouldn't have charges brought up and impeached for her involvement in these pardons.

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RE: The Clinton Pardons
okayheckler
Feb 23rd 2001
1
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 23rd 2001
2
      RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 23rd 2001
3
      What's your point? n/m
Feb 25th 2001
21
           well what was YOURS? n/m
Feb 28th 2001
43
      Geez you're an idiot
Feb 24th 2001
4
      RE: Geez you're an idiot
Feb 25th 2001
20
      What the fuck!?!?!
Feb 28th 2001
31
      RE: What the fuck!?!?!
Feb 28th 2001
32
           I apoligize
Feb 28th 2001
38
      RE: The Clinton Pardons
MOON
Feb 28th 2001
37
           could they?
Mar 01st 2001
44
                Hell Bent
Mar 01st 2001
48
                     Wrong
Mar 01st 2001
51
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 24th 2001
5
RE: The Clinton Pardons
ms hannum
Feb 24th 2001
6
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 24th 2001
7
      RE: The Clinton Pardons
Eli B
Feb 24th 2001
12
      I'm not sure if he can free Mumia
Feb 25th 2001
16
           RE: I'm not sure if he can free Mumia
Feb 25th 2001
23
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 25th 2001
22
2nd time I agree with Expertise
Feb 24th 2001
8
Prove it
Feb 24th 2001
9
RE: Prove it
Feb 24th 2001
10
      RE: Prove it
cocopuffs68
Feb 24th 2001
11
           RE: Prove it
Feb 25th 2001
13
                Don't you think...
Mar 01st 2001
45
RE: 2nd time I agree with Expertise
Feb 28th 2001
33
      The joke before election day
Feb 28th 2001
40
It's called revenge.
Feb 25th 2001
14
and to tarnish...
Feb 25th 2001
15
      Thank you.
Feb 25th 2001
17
check the sig. n/m
Feb 25th 2001
18
RE: the savings and loan controversy..
Feb 25th 2001
19
The hell you been reading?
Feb 25th 2001
24
      RE: one more thing.
Feb 26th 2001
26
           Hey, can you PLEASE
Feb 26th 2001
27
Curious???
Feb 26th 2001
25
Libertarians
Feb 26th 2001
28
RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
30
RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
39
      RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
41
           RE: Libertarians
Mar 01st 2001
49
RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
35
RE: Curious???
Feb 28th 2001
29
      well
Feb 28th 2001
36
      by the way...
Mar 01st 2001
46
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 28th 2001
34
Clinton hardly represents
Feb 28th 2001
42
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Mr_Sarcastic_tha_Antagonist
Mar 01st 2001
47
I'm canadian, so I don't know but...
Mar 01st 2001
50
FREE PELTIER
uNity
Mar 02nd 2001
52

okayheckler

Fri Feb-23-01 07:00 PM

  
1. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
In response to Reply # 0


          

there was also a black woman pardoned by clinton that they don't mention. she was sent to jail on some trumped up drug charge because her boyfriend was some big time drug dealer and she didn't know. the story is too long and complicated to explain right now but is ridiculous.

clinton is out of the office now, isn't that what they wanted anyway? fuck it. JFK did a lot worse shit and he is a legend. Clinton played saxophone on the Arsenio Hall Show so he is cool with me.

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2. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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Ooooo Clinton can play the saxophone. Hell, let's put him on the $1 dollar bill!!! To hell with George Washington, right?

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3. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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>Ooooo Clinton can play the saxophone.
> Hell, let's put him
>on the $1 dollar bill!!!
> To hell with George
>Washington, right?

well, one of them owned slaves. can you guess which one? i'll give you a hint: it wasn't bill clinton. now, your 3 guesses?

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21. "What's your point? n/m"
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Yes....I am a PROUD Black Libertarian Conservative.

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43. "well what was YOURS? n/m"
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

V I V R A N C E
TinkyWinky - marley marl
Vivrant - Pete Rock
bfnh - Premier
guinness - Jay Dee
Mosaic - Hi Tek
Illwill - Hank Shocklee
SqueegieXM - Prince Paul
Kay Dee - Buckwild
Raina - Jazzy Joyce
phil - The Rza
nickelz45 - Diamond D
Donwill - Automator
honorable mention:
fire - fire

"Where the F*CK is my purse icon??????"

:::::::::::::
"And I know what the fuck an option quarterback is. He's the black QB under six feet that ends up being converted to wide receiver once he's selected on day two of the NFL draft because he can't hit the ocean from the edge of a boat."

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4. "Geez you're an idiot"
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Is the new breed of fallacy prone Republican equating SLEAZY with ILLEGAL??

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20. "RE: Geez you're an idiot"
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That conclusion would be hard to prove, since I aint Republican for one thing.

Second thing is that it could be illegal. Bribery, accepting campaign donation violations....they can be found guilty under. But then again, I guess all you brain surgeon leftists think that they have now started investigations on the Clintons just to conduct another hate-filled witchhunt....just like the other 500 times Clinton has had scandals.

When are you guys gonna wake up....

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31. "What the fuck!?!?!"
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> To hell with George
>Washington, right?



Hell yeah...fuck that slave ownin'/rapist bastard.

Rob

  

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32. "RE: What the fuck!?!?!"
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Rapist? I think you have Washington and Jefferson mixed up.

In fact, I heard that Washington was impotent. That's why he and Martha didn't have kids.

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38. "I apoligize"
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was i making assumptions based on the facts presented before me...much like you and clinton?

Rob

He didn't need viagra his entire life.


  

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MOON

Wed Feb-28-01 10:43 AM

  
37. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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What happen with Clinton and those pardons just goes to show you who is looking out for who. The entire time this man was in office he did his share of dirt, just like the other presidents. The media
shows what it want to show. If they want to show Clinton as a saint they could.


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44. "could they?"
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They tried... I don't think they succeeded.

I mean, all of this pardon stuff is pretty bad.

And the excuse "he's just doing what other presidents have done" is bullshit. That doesn't mean we let it go. That doesn't mean it's okay. The point of the presidency is we expect more from it, and as all of this stuff unfolds I think we're gonna learn a lot about Clinton that we didn't know.

Why are y'all so defensive of Clinton? He passed the Omnibus Crime Bill, which increased the whole prison industry a ton and, if I'm correct, gave more serious (read: longer) prison sentences for drug offenders. He took welfare out from under the feet of those who needed it. Those are just two points...

Can anyone explain why y'all love Clinton? After a lot of the shit he's done?

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48. "Hell Bent"
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>And the excuse "he's just doing what other presidents have done" is bullshit. That doesn't mean we let it go. That doesn't mean it's okay.<

greetings.
Indeed, the logic that 'so-&-so did it before...' is flawed. We need to hold people to a higher standard of being, whether its the Pres. of the U.S. or a random brotha/sista on the street.

Saxophone skills aside, I can see how one could give the Clintons undying support. Hell, they were the first occupants of the White House to actually include brown folks in the equation. Still, that has to be tempered w/good judgement, & Clinton no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. He seems hell-bent on spending time in prison. Doesn't make sense.

just thoughts. peace.

  

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51. "Wrong"
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Carter and Reagan both had black folks in their administration.

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5. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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>Cmon now, even you OkaySocialists gotta
>admit this is dirty.
>
>Pardoning an expatriate tax evading billionaire?

Um, why not pardon him? Because it doesn't meet YOUR standards?

>
>Pardoning his own brother, just so
>he can get right back
>in trouble with the law?
>
His brother had already served the time. The pardon was symbolic. I'll bet YOU'D pardon your brother too.


>Pardoning 4 more criminals in New
>York so Hillary can gain
>votes that she would have
>never gotten otherwise?

Can you prove that?? And by the way, to recieve a pardon you HAVE to have been a criminal, it's part of the defintion. See, you are accused/convicted of a CRIME then you a PARDONED for the offense. See??

>Clemency for a drug dealer that
>sent 800 llbs of cocaine
>to Minnesota to change it
>into crack and sell it
>on the streets?



>Clemency for a quack business man
>who was selling fraudulent products
>to people and evading taxes?


Again, the president has this power granted to him indirectly by the constituion and it has been upheld by both other branches of goverment. There are NO checks and balances on these. So he doesn't NEED YOUR PERMISSION to PARDON anyone. Does Cap Weinberger ring a bell??

>
>And I haven't even gone into
>the money side of it
>YET.
>
>After this scandal, along with ALL
>the other scandals that have
>occurred in the past 8
>years, you cannot say Clinton
>isn't a crook, and Hillary
>shouldn't have charges brought up
>and impeached for her involvement
>in these pardons.

Please PROVE that he is a crook. They have proven he is a LIAR on matters pertaining to INFIDELITY, but no crimes have been proven.

Just admit that NOTHING Bill Clinton can EVER do will satisy you. He is unredeemable and will burn in hell.

That's it, you just have to prove it. But to state as FACT some BULLSHIT (remember, its BULLSHIT until you PROVE IT), you are showing your lack of judgement.

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ms hannum

Sat Feb-24-01 02:32 PM

  
6. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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Clinton was tight.
He made some mistakes... Every leader makes mistakes... but we haven't had a President that good in a long time.
If you can prove Reagan and Bush were better presidents than Clinton... Then you're lying.

  

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7. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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Fuck clinton. fuck his republican critics, they would do the same thing for the money. The biggest problem I have with his pardons are the pardons he left out. FREE MUMIA. FREE LENEORD PELTIER

  

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Eli B

Sat Feb-24-01 10:45 PM

  
12. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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From the Grammys:

Clinton didn't pardon Leonard Peltier (or Mumia for that matter) because "he wasn't (they weren't) Marc Rich enough." Best part of the whole show, except for the Jill Scott performance and D'Angelo winning two grammies WHICH THEY DIDN'T SHOW!!! WTF?!

  

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16. "I'm not sure if he can free Mumia"
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for a number of reasons.

First, Mumia is a convicted cop-killer, and no one in a position of authority would want to touch him.

Two, I'm not sure if the presidential pardon power extends to non-federal crimes.

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23. "RE: I'm not sure if he can free Mumia"
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>Two, I'm not sure if the
>presidential pardon power extends to
>non-federal crimes.

Whoa. Good Question. (No pun intended.)

Since the Constitution extends to every state, and it gives him the power to pardon any person in the country convicted, accused, or under investigations for a crime, I'd think he could do so. However, it also comes down as an ETHICAL question, as with all these pardons......SHOULD he pardon someone convicted of a state crime when it is a state matter? Of course, he can pardon anyone he wants...*shrugs*

The thing out of this that I dont get, is why are people still gonna be willing to put trust and power in government's hands, when it's obvious they are going to use it for corrupted purposes.....where is the common sense in that?

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22. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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>>Pardoning an expatriate tax evading billionaire?
>
>Um, why not pardon him? Because
>it doesn't meet YOUR standards?

Cmon now. That's a stupid comeback. At least come up with something RELATIVE when trying to counterargue.

>>Pardoning his own brother, just so
>>he can get right back
>>in trouble with the law?
>>
>His brother had already served the
>time. The pardon was symbolic.
>I'll bet YOU'D pardon your
>brother too.

Actually, no I wouldn't, especially if I was President. That is the one office of government where you should give an unbiased and equal interpretation of the law, since you are the top law enforcement officer of the nation. To give pardons to his brother along with his supporters and such only gives Clinton an aura of biasedness.

Having said that, lemme add this:

1. Has the power of pardon been abused by any other Presidents? Yes.
2. Is this just like the good ol' boy system implemented in various areas of the South? Yes.
3. Is pardoning brothers and supporters illegal? Technically, no.

Clinton isn't the first, and probably wont be the last. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized for abusing his power in office to help his friends. Two wrongs dont make a right, and the sooner we start exposing and holding government officals accountable for corruption the better government will be, no matter if it's big government or smaller government. The bottom line is, if Clinton took money in exchange for pardons he should be brought up on charges, as well as Hillary as well, who should be impeached by the Senate.

>>Pardoning 4 more criminals in New
>>York so Hillary can gain
>>votes that she would have
>>never gotten otherwise?

>Can you prove that??

That's why there are investigations going on.

Besides, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, chances are it's a duck. It was the only Hasidic (did I spell that right?) Jewish community to go to Hillary's favor during the election, and Hillary had mentioned those crooks during campaign speeches. She met with community leaders in the White House a couple of times as well. Quack, quack.

And by
>the way, to recieve a
>pardon you HAVE to have
>been a criminal, it's part
>of the defintion. See, you
>are accused/convicted of a CRIME
>then you a PARDONED for
>the offense. See??

Wrong. You can be under federal investigation and recieve a pardon. Ask anyone that knows about the pardon Bush gave Casper Weinburger on Christmas Eve of 92, another pardon I criticized. Weinburger didn't have charges brought upon him, but he was subpoenaed.

>>Clemency for a drug dealer that
>>sent 800 llbs of cocaine
>>to Minnesota to change it
>>into crack and sell it
>>on the streets?
>>Clemency for a quack business man
>>who was selling fraudulent products
>>to people and evading taxes?

>Again, the president has this power
>granted to him indirectly by
>the constituion and it has
>been upheld by both other
>branches of goverment. There are
>NO checks and balances on
>these. So he doesn't NEED
>YOUR PERMISSION to PARDON anyone.
>Does Cap Weinberger ring a
>bell??

Not to me, personally, but he does need to hold himself accountable to the public for his misdeeds. Clinton knew from the jump that if he was found out he would be in more controversy, so why did he do it? Hell, I hear you guys yelling for Peletier's and Jamal's pardons, and I haven't taken the time to look into information on both sides to give a distinct opinion, but hell, I would rather had Clinton pardon both of them rather than pardon this scum. I'm sure you criticized Sr. Bush for the Weinburger pardon, and Clinton deserves the same thing.

>>And I haven't even gone into
>>the money side of it
>>YET.
>>
>>After this scandal, along with ALL
>>the other scandals that have
>>occurred in the past 8
>>years, you cannot say Clinton
>>isn't a crook, and Hillary
>>shouldn't have charges brought up
>>and impeached for her involvement
>>in these pardons.
>
>Please PROVE that he is a
>crook. They have proven he
>is a LIAR on matters
>pertaining to INFIDELITY, but no
>crimes have been proven.

Actually, the perjury itself was a crime. That's why he was put in contempt of court by a federal judge, not to mention he now has a suspended Arkansas law license due to a plea barganing agreement. Obviously he's done something.

Besides, everytime Clinton has gone into a court, he's lost. It wasn't on criminal charges, but it's obvious that he has a false interpretation of the law.

>Just admit that NOTHING Bill Clinton
>can EVER do will satisy
>you. He is unredeemable and
>will burn in hell.

Just admit that anything Clinton will do you will try to legitimize. There are even people from the Democrat side that are criticizing him, yet no matter what, Bill is gonna be your man. You and his supporters follow Clinton like a litter of puppies.

>That's it, you just have to
>prove it. But to state
>as FACT some BULLSHIT (remember,
>its BULLSHIT until you PROVE
>IT), you are showing your
>lack of judgement.

Wrong. To raise questions about the way he pardoned people is not bullshit, it's an obligation to make sure government stays corruption-free. That might be impossible to you and others, but the bottom line is that the less corruption we have, the better off we all are.

>And I'm the check AND balance.

I suggest you check yourself then.


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* Democratically Elected Republic: Three
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* Constitutional Republic: The eating of
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8. "2nd time I agree with Expertise"
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Honestly, yeah I do think that Clinton's pardons (at least a few key ones) were dirty. I think that he freed some people that did not need to be freed and ignored many that were left to endure their undeserving prison sentence. (I.E. Leonard Peltier, who Clinton absolutely fucked over.)

Can we make it 3 Expertise?

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9. "Prove it"
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>Honestly, yeah I do think that
>Clinton's pardons (at least a
>few key ones) were dirty.

First, before any of the "scandal" did you know who Marc Rcik was? Didn't think so.

Just stop THINKING and start PROVING. Until then it's laziness. (Unless you are a prosecutor, then it's your job to think everyone is guilty. And to prove it)

And if there is PROOF and some sort of TRIAL (don't know how that would work with the Executive Privllige that these pardons took place under) happens and there is a conviction, then I'll come back here and post "Clinton is a convicted xxxx" (whatever the crime is.)

As for the INOOCENT PEOPLE in jail like mumia, etc. al, you think ANY of the people fucking with Clinton on this one would even pause for a moment to even think of considering pardoning them??

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10. "RE: Prove it"
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Marc Rich . My damned keyboard is broken. I need to buy a new one.

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11. "RE: Prove it"
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For consideration: Marc Rich's ex-wife donated tons of money to Hilary Clinton's campaign

  

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13. "RE: Prove it"
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>For consideration: Marc Rich's ex-wife donated
>tons of money to Hilary
>Clinton's campaign

Ok, PROVE that Hillary getting money was the direct cause for the Presidentpardoning him. Because without proof I can not see how you can say it's BRIBERY, which is what we are talking about here.

Consider this: Did anyoneone else give BIG MONEY to the Clintons AND ask for a pardon BUT NOT GET IT?

I site this from Joe Conanson:
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Another is that Ron Burkle, a California billionaire who gave 10 times as much to every Clinton fund and campaign as Ms. Rich did, was turned down when he requested a pardon for his friend Michael Milken. Mr. Burkle promised a minimum of $5 million to the Clinton library, compared with the $450,000 given by Ms. Rich. He and members of his family have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to every conceivable Democratic campaign, including Mrs. Clinton’s Senate race. Mr. Burkle and other well-heeled, Clinton-connected advocates passionately argued the Milken case, but they didn’t prevail on Jan. 20.

In this climate, though, accusations of criminal conduct need not be probable or even plausible. A shouting voice and a microphone will do.
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And consider this: When we start using taglines from The Twilight Zone, maybe the political discourse in this country belongs there.

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45. "Don't you think..."
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Question:
Even if there isn't direct bribery - that is, even if we can't find proof - don't you think that there's more than a few coincidences that we should be taking a look at?

I mean, we know for a fact that Clinton isn't exactly the most correct president on the block - look at the way he spent his last few months in office.

Even if it's not bribery, there's something fishy. And that ought to be looked into. The president(and ex-presidents) need to be just as accountable as american citizens. Period.

Final note: Just because there aren't any restraints on the presidential pardons DOESN'T mean that responsibility doesn't go with that power. While he can legally pardon whoever, that doesn't mean he's not held accountable outside a legal spectrum.


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33. "RE: 2nd time I agree with Expertise"
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What was the first one?

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40. "The joke before election day"
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You sent out a fake newsletter describing that democrats and independents were being asked to vote on November 3rd "due to the enormous expected turnout for the elcetions."

Alot of people didn't find the humor in it, I thought that shit was hilarious!

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14. "It's called revenge."
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The GOP now has the upper hand, and they're acting accordingly.

Don't tell me you didn't expect this type of thing when the Supreme Court handed Curious George the presidency. After all, they couldn't get Bill through Whitewater and they couldn't get him through Monica. Now they're going to try this.

Why? Simple politics: The GOP and the conservative intelligentsia want Bill destroyed--not dead, destroyed. They want whatever positive legacy he left to be negated by a continuous stream of scandal. They want to destroy him in order to further aggrandize the reputations of his predecessors--also their ideological heroes.

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weird random ish:

"In Japan, when many 'deep' Musume fan exchange greetings each other for the first time, we often says:

'ichi-oshi wa dare desuka?'

it means 'who is the best of you?' 'oshi' means 'pushing'.

And, Musume fans answer, for example:

'Nattchi desu.'
'Mittchie desu.'
'Yossy ga So-to- suki desu.'
'Marippeeee!! Marimariiii!!'
'Yuko mettcha suki yaaaaa! aishiteruuuu!! kekkon shitekureeee!!'"

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15. "and to tarnish..."
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Hilary's run for the Presidency.

If Hilary ran in 2004 , GWB is assed out .

Shit happens

  

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17. "Thank you."
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The GOP correctly perceive Hillary as a potential threat to their hold on power. Unless somebody else in the Democratic camp steps up, she's their best contender for the presidency.

I'll have to admit that the GOP are masters at Machiavellian politics, and there's something to be said about their tactics. For us progressives to ever beat these clowns at their game would mean that we will have to adopt their tactics and adapt them to our cause. Fuck sentimentality, fuck bleeding-heart liberals--we need liberals who will MAKE those bastards bleed.

==
densetsu no hitokiri, himura battousai.

weird random ish:

"In Japan, when many 'deep' Musume fan exchange greetings each other for the first time, we often says:

'ichi-oshi wa dare desuka?'

it means 'who is the best of you?' 'oshi' means 'pushing'.

And, Musume fans answer, for example:

'Nattchi desu.'
'Mittchie desu.'
'Yossy ga So-to- suki desu.'
'Marippeeee!! Marimariiii!!'
'Yuko mettcha suki yaaaaa! aishiteruuuu!! kekkon shitekureeee!!'"

- Matsuda Yoh-ichi

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18. "check the sig. n/m"
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19. "RE: the savings and loan controversy.."
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OLD MAN BUSH PARDONED HIS SONS...GEORGE W. AND NEIL BUSH. FUNNY NO ONE SAW HIS ASS WHEN DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

NOBODY IN THE BUSH CLAN CAN COUNT.

THE MONEY? THAT WAS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS LOST..SURPLUS SHOULD GO TO PAY THEM ALONG WITH THIS VOODOO TAX BREAK.

NEXT BREAKING STORY..JENNA BUSH DID NOT HAVE AN APPENDECTOMY.

  

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24. "The hell you been reading?"
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>OLD MAN BUSH PARDONED HIS SONS...GEORGE
>W. AND NEIL BUSH. FUNNY
>NO ONE SAW HIS ASS
>WHEN DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

What? Neither one of them were even charged during this S&L scandal, much less pardoned. Do you actually think the media would let a gem like that slip out of their hands? You must be crazy.

>NOBODY IN THE BUSH CLAN CAN
>COUNT.

Huh?

>THE MONEY? THAT WAS SWEPT
>UNDER THE RUG, BILLIONS OF
>DOLLARS LOST..SURPLUS SHOULD GO TO
>PAY THEM ALONG WITH THIS
>VOODOO TAX BREAK.

You actually think there is a surplus?!?!? hahahahahahahahahahaha.........now THAT is funny.

Eminem is more likely to become a Catholic saint than Congress is to actually have money saved up from their budget. As far as the tax cut is concerned, that isn't their money, it's the taxpayer's money...and it should go to them, not government.

>NEXT BREAKING STORY..JENNA BUSH DID NOT
>HAVE AN APPENDECTOMY.

You sound like a tabloid reporter.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship." - Alexander Tyler

"In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -Voltaire

"The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help." - Thomas Sowell

"Life is insensitive, and the truth can be highly offensive. To hide from either is to hide from the reality of life. Take pride in the fact that I am an equal opportunity offender. You today, someone else tomorrow. You have no constitutional right not to be offended." - Neal Boortz

Some of you still think America's a
democracy. Lemme break it down for
ya...

* Democracy:  Three wolves and a sheep
vote on the dinner menu.
* Democratically Elected Republic: Three
wolves and 2 sheep vote on which sheep's
for dinner. 
* Constitutional Republic: The eating of
mutton is forbidden by law, and the
sheep are armed.

The United States is a CONSTITUTIONAL
REPUBLIC. Not a democracy.

Yes....I am a PROUD Black Libertarian Conservative.

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26. "RE: one more thing."
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NEIL BUSH WAS CHARGED IN THE S/L SCANDLE. HE WAS THE SCAPEGOAT, LIKE OLIVER NORTH.

NEIL BUSH HAD HIS BANKING LICENSE REVOKED.

IF HE CAN'T TRADE OR LOOK AT MONOPOLY MONEY, HE SURE IS HELL ISN'T WORKING WITH THE REAL THING IN THE BANKNING INDUSTRY. HE CAN'T EVEN PUT HIS NAME ON A LOAN. THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON HIS OLD MAN LOST THE RACE AFTER THE GULF WAR....EVEN SAADAM COULDN'T SAVE BUSH.

EVERYTHING CAME OUT DURING THE CONGRESSIONAL HEARING AS WELL AS THE MAINSTREAM PRESS WHEN THE SCANDLE BROKE. THE ONLY THING HE IS DOING IN HOUSTON IS WORKING FOR CHARITY ON MAIN STREET, DOWNTOWN.

NOW IF I HAVE THIS MUCH INFO, DOCUMENTED, THEN WHY WOULD I EVEN POST?

IF HE WASN'T GUILTY OF ANYTHING, THEN WHY WAS HE ABSENT DURING THE RACE? REMEMBER THE TIME MAGAZINE COVER BEFORE THE FIASCO IN FLORIDA? POOR JEB? NOT. THIS WILL NOT BE A TRILOGY.

MR. BUSH HAS THREE SONS, NOT TWO.

AGAIN, QUESTIONS WERE RAISED ABOUT NEIL AND W'S ROLE IN THE SCANDLE, AND WHEN IF YOUR FATHER IS THE FORMER HEAD OF THE CIA..EVERYTHING IS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.

YOU THINK I READ THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE? FUNNY.

MY SOURCES HAVE SOURCES, SO DON'T GET MAD, DEAR. I MAY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT YOU.

JENNA? AGAIN, NO ONE IS RELEASED AFTER AN APPENDECTOMY AFTER ONE DAY. THAT'S NOT A RUMOR, JUST A MEDICAL FACT.

I DIDN'T ELECT BUSH, HE WAS APPOINTED BY A FUCKED UP JUDICIAL BRANCH. REMEMBER THAT EVERYDAY AS YOU DEFEND THAT DUMB FUCK.

OK. IT'S TIME TO GIVE GEORGE HIS SCRIPT, HE'S ON TOMORROW.

  

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27. "Hey, can you PLEASE"
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Not post in all caps? It's hard to read. Thnx.

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25. "Curious???"
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This is off the discussion...
Libertarian seem to align themselves with the GOP more than Democrats...
What are most Libertarian stance on social issues..???
What are the Libertarian stances on economic issues?????
Consevative meaning what????
As a Black male do you personally feel any allegiance to the Afrikan Community and if you do what should be the strategy for improving the circumstances of Afrikans here in America?????


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28. "Libertarians"
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don't give a shit about shit. They just want their money.

They're like anarchists, but without souls or consciences.

==
densetsu no hitokiri, himura battousai.

weird random ish:

"In Japan, when many 'deep' Musume fan exchange greetings each other for the first time, we often says:

'ichi-oshi wa dare desuka?'

it means 'who is the best of you?' 'oshi' means 'pushing'.

And, Musume fans answer, for example:

'Nattchi desu.'
'Mittchie desu.'
'Yossy ga So-to- suki desu.'
'Marippeeee!! Marimariiii!!'
'Yuko mettcha suki yaaaaa! aishiteruuuu!! kekkon shitekureeee!!'"

- Matsuda Yoh-ichi

http://cookie.bored.org/

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30. "RE: Libertarians"
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>don't give a shit about shit.
>They just want their money.

I'm glad you know so many of them?

>They're like anarchists, but without souls
>or consciences.

Anarchists have souls? Right.

Libertarians are not anarchists. In fact I believe in strong law enforcement, aimed at the provisions of the 4th amendment.

Hence, stop makin assumptions...because when you do, you make an ass out of you.....and yourself.

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39. "RE: Libertarians"
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>I'm glad you know so many
>of them?

Well, you seem to be the representative OkayLibertarian here--or to quote Solarus and/or utamaroho, OkayBootlicker.

>Anarchists have souls? Right.

Libertarians ain't got no soul. Emma Goldman is rock and roll.

>Libertarians are not anarchists. In
>fact I believe in strong
>law enforcement, aimed at the
>provisions of the 4th amendment.

Unless the unwashed masses are preventing you from getting your money. Then you run to the government like a little bitch.

>Hence, stop makin assumptions...because when you
>do, you make an ass
>out of you.....and yourself.

Hey, takes one to know one.

==
densetsu no hitokiri, himura battousai.

weird random ish:

"In Japan, when many 'deep' Musume fan exchange greetings each other for the first time, we often says:

'ichi-oshi wa dare desuka?'

it means 'who is the best of you?' 'oshi' means 'pushing'.

And, Musume fans answer, for example:

'Nattchi desu.'
'Mittchie desu.'
'Yossy ga So-to- suki desu.'
'Marippeeee!! Marimariiii!!'
'Yuko mettcha suki yaaaaa! aishiteruuuu!! kekkon shitekureeee!!'"

- Matsuda Yoh-ichi

http://cookie.bored.org/

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41. "RE: Libertarians"
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>Well, you seem to be the
>representative OkayLibertarian here--or to quote
>Solarus and/or utamaroho, OkayBootlicker.

I'm not OkayBootlicker. I've only seen him once or twice in here. I only have one handle.

>>Libertarians are not anarchists. In
>>fact I believe in strong
>>law enforcement, aimed at the
>>provisions of the 4th amendment.

>Unless the unwashed masses are preventing
>you from getting your money.
>Then you run to the
>government like a little bitch.

Well, the 4th Amendment does protect the right to life, liberty, and property. And money IS my property. You even said it yourself, preventing me from getting MY money. So....

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49. "RE: Libertarians"
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>And money
>IS my property. You
>even said it yourself, preventing
>me from getting MY money.
> So....

I rest my case.

==
densetsu no hitokiri, himura battousai.

weird random ish:

"In Japan, when many 'deep' Musume fan exchange greetings each other for the first time, we often says:

'ichi-oshi wa dare desuka?'

it means 'who is the best of you?' 'oshi' means 'pushing'.

And, Musume fans answer, for example:

'Nattchi desu.'
'Mittchie desu.'
'Yossy ga So-to- suki desu.'
'Marippeeee!! Marimariiii!!'
'Yuko mettcha suki yaaaaa! aishiteruuuu!! kekkon shitekureeee!!'"

- Matsuda Yoh-ichi

http://cookie.bored.org/

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35. "RE: Libertarians"
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well hmm..


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29. "RE: Curious???"
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>This is off the discussion...
>Libertarian seem to align themselves with
>the GOP more than Democrats...

>What are most Libertarian stance on
>social issues..???
>What are the Libertarian stances on
>economic issues?????

*LOL* You guys amuse me. It's funny how you OkaySocialists, knowing you're dead wrong on an issue, start to take things personally and try to "x-ray" and expose someone that doesn't believe in the things you believe. Despite the contrast in issues and views, I have never tried to call out someone personally...

Having said that, the reason why Libertarians agree with Republicans more than Democrats is that Republicans simply believe in freedom more than Democrats....well, at least in rhetoric, anyways. Republicans talk about shrinking the size of government, in terms of economic policy and government intervention, as Libertarians believe.

Democrats are nothing but tax-and-spend demogogues, and I'd bet that if you'd look into the past 60 years, from when Franklin Roosevelt came into power, I'd bet that there has never been a budget proposal that came from a Democratic House of Representatives or a Democratic president that actually asked for cuts on government spending. We simply believe that government shouldn't have a universal right to tax the citizens of the country, taking whatever they want and spending whatever they want without any kind of limit or challenge. Furthermore, if it is absolutely necessary to use that revenue, whatever they do use should be done responsibly and carefully, using the money to it's fullest potential.

It is becoming obvious that Congress, whether it's Democrats or Republicans, do not understand the idea of fiscal responsibility. Even with Bush's speech in front of Congress his proposals will raise next year's budget up by 4%. Considering that Congress is already spending more than $4 trillion on this budget, that's a huge rise. Bush, at least from the address to the nation Tues night, never mentioned once about cutting funds or cutting programs. As I said earlier, Republicans talk about it, BUT they never do it, and there is no excuse for them now, considering they have majorities in both Houses of Congress and the presidency.

As far as social issues are concerned, it's more of an even matter, as we straddle the fence between the left and the right on certain issues. For example, I'm sure every Libertarian would criticize the impending bill that the Republicans proposed in the Virginia Senate making it mandatory for children to say the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools. On the other side, I am definitely opposed to the City of San Francisco, as in how they are now allowing transgenders and homosexuals to use city funds (ie city taxpayers' money) to get them sex change operations. You see, whatever is closer to individual freedom and liberty we support it, no matter what side it is on.

>Consevative meaning what????

Conservative meaning to preserve the right of life, liberty, and property to every individual.

>As a Black male do you
>personally feel any allegiance to
>the Afrikan Community and if
>you do what should be
>the strategy for improving the
>circumstances of Afrikans here in
>America?????

Allegiance? I personally feel no allegiance to anyone. Other Libertarians, maybe. The ideas that I bring here are simply philosophical views that I feel would work in the best interests of everyone, whether black, white, or whomever.

As far as improving circumstances for African-Americans the idea is simple: Economic empowerment.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship." - Alexander Tyler

"In general the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one class of citizens to give to the other." -Voltaire

"The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help." - Thomas Sowell

"Life is insensitive, and the truth can be highly offensive. To hide from either is to hide from the reality of life. Take pride in the fact that I am an equal opportunity offender. You today, someone else tomorrow. You have no constitutional right not to be offended." - Neal Boortz

Some of you still think America's a
democracy. Lemme break it down for
ya...

* Democracy:  Three wolves and a sheep
vote on the dinner menu.
* Democratically Elected Republic: Three
wolves and 2 sheep vote on which sheep's
for dinner. 
* Constitutional Republic: The eating of
mutton is forbidden by law, and the
sheep are armed.

The United States is a CONSTITUTIONAL
REPUBLIC. Not a democracy.

Yes....I am a PROUD Black Libertarian Conservative.

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36. "well"
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Just wanted to know where you were coming from ....
Now I know..

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46. "by the way..."
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I wanted to give you props for consistently representing libertarianism on the board.

I used to be a libertarian... I've changed slightly, but still keep in touch with the party's actions. More often than not, I agree... particularly in terms of their social politics (moral matters such as abortion, etc.).

Even though I don't always agree with you, at least you don't fall into the trendy knee-jerk liberalism that's so ubiquitous here. Keep it up.

-thebigfunk

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34. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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i loosely fall under the category of okaysocialist/bootlicker/lover of europe and i am skeptical of the pardons as well. however, i wonder about the ammount of attention being focused on clinton. i dont think it is a matter of righteously "bringing the truth to light" or a "right wing conspiracy", but i do think it is questionable given the relative silence regarding the pardons of other presidents, namely George Bush.

check this article:

http://salon.com/news/col/cona/2001/02/27/pardons/index.html

native son

  

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42. "Clinton hardly represents"
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the progressive ideal, don't get it twisted. And i have no qualms at all with him being criticized and called out when he messes up. He was infinitely better for America and for African Americans in particular, than Bush the Elder, or Ronald Satan. But he also did more than his share in propping up the status quo. The cynical gamesmanship of allowing the killitary industrial complex to continue to grow unabated is inexcusable, for one (remember all those speeches in which he one-upped the republicans by saying that he'd give the pentagon even more money than their greedy asses asked for?). I didn't check out all the pardons that he handed down, but he had a couple commendable ones, like the pardons of the two black women railroaded under the republican-led (and democratic abetted) mandatory minimum sentencing laws. That was cool. But to also hand out pardons to multimillionaire financiers convicted of fraud, and a whole list of other unsavory cats like that? Uncool.

if you believe the clippings on the man, one of his primary motiviations has been the need to be historically significant -- its why he kept trying to revive Arab/Israeli summits up until his last hours in the oval office. given that inclination, how could he self-justify a whole bunch of pardons that give the appearance of some type of quid pro quo arrangement? he either a) didn't think anyone would notice, b) truly believed they were the right thing to do (ha), or c) did it on purpose to stick his middle finger up at the republicans.

i'm picking (c).

on libertarians:

they're a funny bunch, but consistent. like dude said, depending the issue, they're likely to come down on the side of the traditional left or right, but i tend to view the slant as more right leaning, since, in my view, pure fiscal conservatism works to the detriment of people of color, poor people, the middle class, and well, the majority of people of the world.

but like i said they're consistent. they will break ranks w/ get tough law and order types on the 4th ammendment, and will stand up against intrusive law enforcement. they're also likely (in my experience) to favor decriminalization of victimless crimes like drug use. where i differ with them is on taxes, the role of government, etc. i personally have no probs paying taxes, providing my government (governor, dog catcher, president, whoeva) does reasonable shit with my money. i'm not under the illusion that i'm going to agree with EVERYTHING they do, but as long as its reasonably in the best interest of society, provides value, and addresses some of my needs/concerns, i can tolerate it. its a necessary evil under capitalism. i can have $50, but i can't go out and build a road. if everybody in the county puts their $50, though, we can build a road, nahmean?

also, the decentralization of government and all that laissez faire hoopla places a degree of trust in our fellow men/women that i feel is naive. this is where i differ w/ any fiscal conservative, because they usually (generalization based upon years of reading editorials, plus conversations with people who parrot said editorials) will run some line like the only color is green, and that the market can take care of things like discrimination, etc, because they don't make economic sense. well we have hundreds of years of history of the folks in power in this country (gov't and private citizens/companies) doing things exactly opposite to their best interest because their racial animus supercedes their need to make a buck.

but then again, the aclu is mad consistent too, and i don't agree with everything they say by a long stretch either. protecting the klan's right to march and shit, they can catch a brick, quick.

to net it out: 1) if bill was wrong, he was wrong. i have no problems recognizing the good that he did while others point out his failings.

2) i usually disagree with libertarians on political stuff, but give them props for consistencies sake. the difference btw them and republicans is that republicans are for no government on fiscal matters and big government on moral matters (abortion, etc...). libertarians are for no government at all (so i only disagree w/ them half as much).

peace & blessings,

x.


peace & blessings,

x.

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Mr_Sarcastic_tha_Antagonist

Thu Mar-01-01 04:16 AM

  
47. "RE: The Clinton Pardons"
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You Know Clinton is a mad shady kat in my view these days. In the past I had mad respect fro the man because he always seemed committed to doing the right thing when it came to politics. Not say his cheating history with his wife wasn't shady. But damn all these suspect pardons, the whole issue wit the chinese stealing nuclear missle secrets while also contributing to his campaign. Son is mad suspect!!

  

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50. "I'm canadian, so I don't know but..."
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Isn't the Clinton pardons thing past corrupt? Isn't it just plain stupid? End your leadership of the US through a very successful time, during which you became highly respected by many minorities and other oppressed groups, by showing yourself to be, after all said and done, all about the benjamins? I'm not saying people should be surprised he's not a saint, but who wants to tarnish their reputation while leaving a job that survived major reputation-tarnishing? Forgive me if this is obvious, but he should of freed Peltier and Mumia.

I hear he's trying to make himself not look bad by setting up his office or library or whatever in Harlem.

  

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uNity

Fri Mar-02-01 04:28 PM

  
52. "FREE PELTIER"
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The only smart pardon Clinton could have made was for Leonard Peltier. And he didn't. And Bush won't, but we have to try.
FREE PELTIER

  

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