The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism
G. Neuburger
Where the Torah tells about the creation of the first human
being, the most prominent Jewish commentator, Rashi, explains that the earth
from which Adam was formed was not taken from one spot but from various parts
of the globe. Thus human dignity does not depend on the place of one's birth
nor is it limited to one region.The greatness or worth of a person is not
measured by his or her outward appearance. Jews believe that Adam was created
in G-d's image and that he is the common ancestor of all mankind. At this
stage in human history, there is no room for privileged people who can do
with others as they please. Human life is sacred and human rights are not to
be denied by those who would subvert them for "national security" or for any
other reason. No one knows this better than the Jews, who have been
second-class citizens so often and for so long. Some Zionists, however, may
differ. This is understandable because Judaism and Zionism are by no means
the same. Indeed they are incompatible and irreconcilable: If one is a good
Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good
Jew.For over 60 years I have fought Zionism, as did my father before me, and
I am therefore quite familiar with it. For those who have been in this fight
for only the last ten or twenty years, what I have to say may be surprising
or even shocking. Nevertheless these matters must be stated clearly and
openly, because unless the disease of Zionism is diagnosed accurately, it
cannot be cured. Too long have those opposed to Zionism engaged in
daydreaming and wishful thinking. In order to recognize Zionism for what it
is, one has to know about Judaism, about Zionism -- the opposite and negation
of Judaism, and about Jewish history. In the time allotted to me, I am not
going to talk about the actions of the Zionists; they will be adequately
dealt with by others. As a Jew, I plan to discuss Zionism, which is rebellion
against G-d and treason to the Jewish people.To begin with, a few
definitions: Who is a Jew? A Jew is anyone who has a Jewish mother or who
converted to Judaism in conformity with Halacha, Jewish religious law. This
definition alone excludes racism. Judaism does not seek converts, but those
who do convert are accepted on a basis of equality. Let us see how far this
goes. Some of the most eminent and respected rabbis were converts to Judaism.
Jewish parents throughout the world bless their children every Sabbath and
holiday eve, and they have done it in the same way for millennia. If the
children are girls, the blessing is, "May G-d let you be like Sarah, Rebecca,
Rachel and Leah." Not one of these matriarchs was born a Jewess; they were
all converts to Judaism. If the children are boys, the blessing is, "May G-d
let you be like Ephraim and Menashe." The mother of these two was an Egyptian
woman who became Jewish and had married Joseph. Moses himself, the greatest
Jew who ever lived, married a Midianite woman who became Jewish. Finally, the
Tenach, the holy writings of the Jew, contains the book of Ruth. This woman
was not only not Jewish by birth, but she came from the Moabites, traditional
enemies of the Jewish people. This book describes Ruth's conversion to
Judaism and is read annually on the holiday commemorating the giving of the
Torah, the "Law," i.e. the Pentateuch. At its very end, the book of Ruth
traces the ancestry of King David, the greatest king the Jews ever had, to
Ruth, his great-grandmother.Apart from the Zionists, the only ones who
consistently considered the Jews a race were the Nazis. And they only served
to prove the stupidity and irrationality of racism. There was no way to prove
racially whether a Mrs. Muller or a Mr. Meyer were Jews or Aryans (the Nazi
term for non-Jewish Germans. The only way to decide whether a person was
Jewish was to trace the religious affiliation of the parents or grandparents.
So much for the this racial nonsense.Racial pride has been the downfall of
those Jews in the past who were blinded by their own narrow-minded
chauvinism. This brings us to a second definition. Is there a Jewish people?
If so, what is its mission? Let us make this completely clear: The Jewish
nation was not born or reconstituted a generation ago by some Zionist
politicians. The Jewish nation was born on Mount Sinai when the Jews by their
response, "let us do and let us hear," adopted the Torah given to them by G-d
for all future generations. `This day you become a people," though valid
still today, was spoken thousands of years ago.According to Jewish tradition,
there are seven Noachide laws which apply to all human beings. Then there are
the Ten Commandments which form basic standard of morality and conduct for
adherents of all monotheistic religions. In addition to these, there are 613
laws obligatory for Jews, and every Jew has to observe those which are
applicable to him or her according to Halacha. It is the carrying out of
these mitzvoth, "commandments," which constitutes the essence of being
Jewish, and therefore of the Jewish people and their covenant with G-d. In
what way are the Jews a "chosen people"? Every Jewish man anywhere and at any
time when called to the reading of the Torah says, "Who has chosen us from
all the peoples and gave us His Torah." This is the way in which the Jews are
chosen. The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for
conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind. "And the
hands are the hands of Esau," has been traditionally interpreted to mean that
while "the voice is Jacob's," the hands- - symbolizing violence - are Esau's.
Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task
for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military
superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral
behavior and spiritual purity. Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the
worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from
its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their
G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a
"modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the
Jewish people.One means of misleading many Jews and all too many non-Jews is
the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy
name Israel for their Zionist state. They have named their land acquisition
fund with a term that traditionally implies the reward for piety, good deeds,
and charitable work. They have adopted as a state symbol the menorah
(candlebrum). What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army
fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on
the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, "not with armed force
and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts."The infamous
founder of political Zionism, may his name be cursed, who only discovered his
own Jewishness because of anti-Semitism displayed at the Dreyfus trial in
France, proposed various solutions to what he called the "Jewish problem." At
one point he proposed to resettle the Jews in Uganda. At another he proposed
to convert them to Catholicism. He finally hit on the idea of a Judenstaat,
an exclusive Jewish state. Thus from its very beginning Zionism was a result
of Anti-Semitism and indeed is completely compatible with it, because
Zionists and anti-Semites had (and have) a common goal: To bring all Jews
from their places of domicile to the Zionist state, thus uprooting Jewish
communities that had existed for hundreds and even thousands of years.
Loyalty to the Zionist state was substituted for loyalty to G-d, and the
state was made into the modern "golden calf". Belief in the Torah and
fulfillment of religious obligations in Zionist eyes became a private matter
and not a duty for every Jew or for the Jewish people. The Zionists made
divine law subject to party or parliamentary votes, and they set their own
standards of conduct and ethics. Neither the founder of political Zionism nor
any of the prime ministers of the Zionist state believed in the divine origin
of the Torah nor even in the existence of G-d. All prime ministers were
members of a party that opposed religion in principle and that considered the
Bible a document of ancient folklore, devoid of any religious meaning. And
yet these same Zionists base their claim to the Holy Land on this same Bible,
the divine origin of which they deny. At the same time they conveniently
forget the Jewish holiday prayer "and for our sins have we been exiled from
our land," and ignore the fact that the present exile of the Jewish people is
divinely decreed and that the Jewish people are neither commanded nor
permitted to conquer or rule the Holy Land before the coming of the Messiah.
The Jewish people do, of course, recognize special spiritual ties to that
land they call it Eretz Yisrael. Every morning, afternoon, and evening, and
night they mention it and Zion and Jerusalem in their prayers, and indeed a
Jew does not sit down to a meal without doing likewise. To the Jew, the very
soil of the Holy Land is different from that of any other spot on this globe,
and wherever he is he turns his face toward Jerusalem during prayers. To live
in the Holy Land or even to be buried there was always considered to be of
high merit.This love of the land and the Jewish longing for a return to it
and for the coming of the Messiah have been exploited innumerable times
during the past 2,000 years. Zionism has had many precursors and each has
been a curse for the Jews. Individuals who proclaimed themselves the Messiah
and messianic movements have sprung up from time to time, from the Roman era
through the Middle Ages and down to the modern Zionists. Many of these
pseudo-Messiahs posed as rabbis or as national leaders, though some of them
eventually professed other faiths; many temporarily - some for longer periods
- succeeded in misleading Jews, rabbis, and entire Jewish communities. All
were in due course exposed and recognized as frauds, and those who had set
their hope on them found only disappointment and all too often disaster. In
the early stages of the development of modern Zionism, the Mizrachi was
founded, an organization of so-called religious Zionists who tried to combine
their faith with political Zionism. This led to constant conflict between the
dictates of divine law and the demands of Jewish nationalism. Most of the
time, the Mizrachi was outvoted at Zionist congresses and served only to give
the Zionist movement a false religious aura. Whenever expediency called for
it, these "religious" Zionist fellow-travelers have been used by the Zionist
government to underpin national claims with "religious" authority. The
National Religious Party in the Zionist state has been well rewarded for
giving its stamp of approval to nationalistic measures and enactments,
whether these rewards were of financial nature or in the form of cabinet or
other government posts. The chauvinism of these religious Zionists frequently
exceeded that of other Zionists, and it was always couched in religious terms
- a prime example of the abuse of religion. The fraudulence of these
"religious" Zionists was demonstrated during the past year when it was
revealed that two of their world leaders had committed million-dollar
thefts.A Jewish world organization was founded in 1912 on the German-Polish
border with the specific purpose of fighting Zionism. This organization,
Agudath Israel, "Union of Israel," was to represent the true Jewish people in
the world and to unmask the unwarranted and unjust claims of the Zionists.
Rabbis everywhere joined Agudath Israel, as did masses of observant Jews.
Anti-Zionist congresses were convened in Vienna and in Marienbad. In
countries such as Poland, Agudists were members of parliament. Under Agudah
leadership more than 50 years ago, Jews in the Holy Land opposed to Zionism
obtained permission from Britain, the mandatory power in Palestine, to
declare in writing that they did not wish to be represented by the Zionists
or any of their groups, particularly not by the Zionist quasi-governmental
organizations such as the Va'ad Leumi, "National Council."Shortly thereafter,
Jacob de Haan, a former distinguished Dutch diplomat who was then leader of
Agudath Israel in Palestine, initiated talks with Arab leaders with a view
toward the eventual establishments of a state there in which Jews and Arabs
would have equal rights. In this way he hoped to forestall the creation of a
Zionist state. Despite threats to his life, de Haan, fully aware of the
ultimate dangers of a Zionist state, continued his talks and negotiations. On
the eve of his departure in 1924 for Britain to meet with authorities there,
he was assassinated by the Haganah, the Zionist paramilitary force, in the
center of Jerusalem as he came from evening prayers. More than a half a
century ago, this devout and visionary Jew gave his life in a fight that he
considered paramount, at a time when the world at large was still blind and
deaf to the difficulties and problems that a future Zionist state would
entail.As a result of such terrorism and increasing Zionist pressure, Agudath
Israel gradually began to weaken and to compromise. During the Nazi period,
it entered indo deals and arrangements with the Zionists, despite the fact
that its fundamental aim had been to combat Zionism. After the Zionist state
was established, Agudath Israel broke off with its past, participated in the
Zionist government on the cabinet level and elected Agudists to the Zionist
parliament. Still professing a nominal anti-Zionism, Agudath Israel
established a network of "independent" schools in the Holy Land, but today
the overwhelming part of the budget of these schools comes from the Zionist
government.In view of these developments, those Jews who wanted to continue
the fight against Zionism without any compromise left Agudath Israel and
constituted themselves as the Neturei Karta, an Aramaic phrase meaning
"Guardians of the City," i.e. the city of Jerusalem. The Neturei Karta in
turn became a worldwide movement, known in some places as "Friends of
Jerusalem."The greatest leader of the Neturei Karta was Rabbi Amram Blau, an
inspired and dedicated leader whose compassion equaled his courage. He could
not keep silent in the face of injustice, immorality, or hypocrisy. He was
beloved by Jews and respected by Christians and Muslims. Born in Jerusalem,
he never left the Holy Land during his entire life. In his writings he
stressed many times that Jews and Arabs had lived in harmony until the advent
of political Zionism. Rabbi Blau was imprisoned in Jerusalem, not by the
Ottoman authorities, not by the British, and not by the Arabs, but by the
Zionists. What was his crime? He defended with vigor and honesty, without
regard for his own safety, the holy character of Jerusalem against the
"innovations" and encroachments of the Zionists. He fought for the sanctity
of the Sabbath and actively opposed the inroads of indecency and immorality
made under the Zionist regime. Unceasingly he denounced the establishment of
a Jewish state before the coming of the Messiah as an acct of infamy and
blasphemy. Under his leadership, the Neturei Karta declared year after year
that they did not recognize the legitimacy of the Zionist state or the
validity of its laws.During the first period of fighting between the Zionist
state and the Arabs, the rabbis of the Neturei Karta went toward the combat
lines, carrying a white flag, and stated that they wanted no part in this war
and that they were absolutely opposed to the creation of a Zionist state. In
his last proclamation, Rabbi Blau deplored the actions of the Zionists
against the Muslim and Christian Palestinians and the grievous harm done by
the Zionists to the Jewish people in endeavoring to change them from "a
kingdom of priests and a holy nation" to a modern state, devoid of spiritual
foundation, based on chauvinism, built on conquest, and relying on military
prowess. "The number of your cities constitute your gods," the prophet
Jeremiah had thundered to the chauvinist and idolatrous Jewish government of
this day. Like it, the Zionists are now establishing a new status quo and
expanding their position by founding new settlements in he territories
occupied since 1967.Rabbi Blau in his last statement severely condemned the
UN for recognizing and accepting as a member the Zionist state, thus giving
the Zionists unprecedented prestige and power. It is high time that the
anti-Zionist nations listen to him, heed his plea, and undo this great wrong
and correct this fatal error. It is well known that no action was taken
concerning the expulsion of the Zionist state because of the fear that
financial support for the UN would be withdrawn. Let those states, opposed to
Zionism, who have become affluent during the past generation, show that they
mean what they say by offering to replace any financial loss the UN may
suffer as a consequence, and let the member states vote their conscience
without fear and regardless of any intimidation. There has been times before
in Jewish history, as related in the Bible, when the masses were misled and
only a minority of Jews clung to the true mission of the Jewish people. One
of the first such of the occasions was the worship of the golden calf; today
we unfortunately see a repetition of this, with the Zionist state now being
the object of worship. Until the appearance and growing influence of
political Zionism, Jewish leaders were chosen on the basis of their piety,
decency, learning, and their love of justice and mercy. Today only too often
so-called Jewish leaders, completely unqualified under Jewish law and
traditional concepts, make pronouncements and decisions in the name and on
behalf of the Jewish people. This is particularly true in the USA where there
is the largest Jewish community in our time. I can never forget the remark of
a woman in Oklahoma: "Isn't today's Judaism wonderful! All you have to do is
give money."Even at his death Rabbi Blau refuted the Zionists who had often
claimed that the Neturei Karta was nothing but an insignificant sect of a few
hundred souls. Yet when Rabbi Blau died in Jerusalem on a Friday morning two
years ago, a few hours later no fewer than 22,000 men attended his funeral.At
all times in the past, the misleaders of the Jews have sooner or later fallen
by the wayside, and only those who upheld the validity of the Torah and the
Talmud (the written and oral law) and of Halachah, and who resisted the
demagogues, prevailed. The Neturei Karta follow in this tradition. They
continue as a living rebuke to Zionism and speak in our time for the true
Jewish people, those who have not been misled by Zionism.During the Roman
conquest of the Holy Land, there were Jews who on the basis of nationalism
and racial pride were sure that they could not lose a war. They, like the
Zionists of our day, were opposed to any compromise or settlement; there were
determined to fight to the end. At that time, however almost 2,000 years ago,
the fore most rabbi, Rabbi Yochanan ben Sakkai, chose a different way. The
military adventurers prevented him from leaving beleaguered Jerusalem to
negotiate with the Romans, so the rabbi had himself carried out in a coffin
by his disciples to the Roman headquarters. He said to the Romans that the
Jews need neither an army nor weapons and asked for permission to establish a
yeshiva, a Jewish religious school, at Yavneh. It was this religious school,
and not the militarists or generals of the time, that helped to perpetuate
Judaism and the identity of the Jewish people.It must be stated explicitly
that while not all Jews are Zionists, not all Zionists are Jews. The motives
of some of these non-Jewish Zionists, e.g. Lord Balfour and General Smuts,
are at least open to question. From the beginning of the Zionist movement,
some of the most articulate and fervent Zionists have been Christian
clergymen, especially "fundamentalists," who hail Zionism as an important
"religious" movement and welcome it as a fulfillment of prophecy. They also,
and significantly, serve the cause of Zionism.One of the basic aims of
Zionism is aliyah, the immigration to the Zionist state of Jews from all
countries. Nevertheless, during the past few years hundreds of thousands of
Israelis have outgathered themselves from the Zionist paradise, and American
Jews have "voted with their feet" and have chosen not to be ingathered. These
Jews recognize that the Zionist state is in fact nothing but a giant ghetto.
Instead of being able to render assistance to Jewish communities in other
countries, American Jews have been mobilized to concentrate on helping the
Zionist state, making the USA the real and major source of Zionist power and
influence. The Zionists, true to the nature of their movement, rely on
technical superiority and on a forbidding military deterrent - provided
largely by the USA - for their security. Nothing could be farther from the
true ideals of the Jewish people. The Jewish people were chosen in the first
place "for you are the leas of all nations." As the Psalm says, "they rely on
vehicles and horsepower, but we invoke the name of the Eternal, our G-d."One
most vital point deserves mention. A former president of the World Zionist
Organization has stated explicitly that a Zionist owes unqualified loyalty to
the Zionist state and that, in the case of a conflict, the first loyalty of a
Zionist must be to the Zionist state. According to Jewish law, however, a Jew
owes allegiance and loyalty to the country of which he is a citizen, and, of
course, no faithful Jews owes any loyalty or allegiance to the Zionist state
which has been condemned by the foremost rabbis of our age.It is not my
purpose to detail how Zionism should be dealt with. Let me state, however,
that isolated or spontaneous acts against individuals or the mere adoption of
resolutions in the UN or elsewhere are not effective means of bringing an end
to Zionism. Let me state also that the battle against Zionism must be waged
first, not on the shores of the Mediterranean, but in Zionism's most powerful
bastion -- the USA>As an American citizen, I deplore that our government and
our politicians have adopted an attitude that is in complete contradiction to
the advice of the father of our country George Washington. Instead of shying
away from foreign entanglements and permanent alliances with foreign powers,
the establishment in Washington has embraced Zionism so wholeheartedly that
in the eyes any criticism of the Zionist state and any opposition to
political Zionism in the UN by any nation has become a punishable offense.
And the docile American media do not dare to speak out against such an
absurdity.Unfortunately, thus far, each year sees still further gains in
influence by American Zionists. This fact has made possible events and
developments that were unthinkable even ten years ago. It takes a lot of
courage to be opposed to Zionism in the USA today. It also took a lot of
courage during the Second World War to be anti-Fascist in Italy or anti-Nazi
in Germany. In the long run Zionism is nothing but a passing aberration in
the long history of the Jewish people and of the world.Let us take faith and
hope in the certainty that eventually prejudice, hatred, and injustice will
disappear, and that the prophecy will come true that all nations of the world
will participate in the pilgrimage to Jerusalem "for My house shall be called
a house of prayer for all nations."

I haven't read your post...yet. When I get the time I will read it, though. My thoughts on Judaism vs. Zionism are:

Zionism claims to be a representative of all Jewish people, but it is not. Zionism only cloaks itself as a rep of all Jewish people so it can accuse people who are anti-Zionist as "anti-semitic (which is also a false term, because Arabs are semitic people as well, and in order to be anti-semitic, one has to be not only anti-Jewish, but anti-Arab, as well, and anti-all other Semitic peopele). Zionism is a racist, imperialist, expansionist ideology created by an Elitist, European Jew named Theodor Herzl who was raised in Europe during a time when racism, imperialism, and expansionism was rampant in Europe, so naturally Zionism took on these traits. Zionism had no regard for Arabs and in order to justify the stealing of Palestine, and the disposession of hundreds of thousands (now millions) of Palestinians, Zionism created myths such as Palestine being "a land without a people for a people without a land (the Jews)". Zionism dehumanized the Palestinians and took away the human face of Palestinians, especially in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which was a British letter expressing support for "a Jewish homeland in Palestine," which referred to the Palestinians, who were an overwhelming majority of the people in Palestine, as "the non-Jewish population." When the Arabs have historically talked of destroying Israel, they did not mean killing all the Jews, they only meant eradicating Zionism, and allowing Jews to coexist in Palestine with Palestinian Muslims and Christians. Unfortunately, at the time of the creation of Israel, Arabs bought into the myth that Zionism represented all Jews, and therefore they expelled their Jewish citizens.

Judaism on the other hand is a beautiful religion, just as Islam and Christianity, Buddhism, etc. are, and the main point of most religions, despite what extremists (including Am. Christian extremists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson) say, is justice and compassion. Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. have rich cultures and histories. In fact, with the situation in Palestine, it is unfortunate that certain people, particularly Sephardic Jews (Jews from the Mid East and Africa), Ethiopian Jews, and Palestinians (Muslim and Christian Arabs) don't realize they are all on the same side. These groups of people are discriminated against by the elitist European-Jew-dominated establishment. Ironically, Sephardic Jews tend to be the most anti-Palestinian when it comes to Israeli-Palestinian politics. If Palestinians, Sephardic Jews, and Ethiopian Jews discover and realize their common ground, they can get together to set up a United Palestine, one secular Palestinian state, where Jews, Muslims, and Christians can live together with democracy, justice and freedom of religion. Of course, European Jews would also be welcome as long as they supported democracy, justice, and freedom of religon and the idea of a secular, democratic Palestine. Furthermore, such a solution would entail the return of all Palestinian refugees. In my eyes, that is the only true solution to the Mid East conflict with true justice. Israel and Zionist apologists say they are both a Jewish state and a democracy. This is impossible. A Jewish Israel has proved that it is not democratic by discriminating against not only Arabs, but also Sephardic and Ethiopian Jews. For true justice, Democracy in Secularism in Palestine is the path.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true that zionists were looking at Uganda to be their homeland? (This was before the occupation of Palestine)

some cute little potentially anti-christian stuff right here:

>>This love of the land and the Jewish longing for a return to it
and for the coming of the Messiah have been exploited innumerable times
during the past 2,000 years. Zionism has had many precursors and each has
been a curse for the Jews. Individuals who proclaimed themselves the Messiah
and messianic movements have sprung up from time to time, from the Roman era
through the Middle Ages and down to the modern Zionists. Many of these
pseudo-Messiahs posed as rabbis or as national leaders, though some of them
eventually professed other faiths; many temporarily - some for longer periods
- succeeded in misleading Jews, rabbis, and entire Jewish communities. All
were in due course exposed and recognized as frauds, and those who had set
their hope on them found only disappointment and all too often disaster.

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Good to see some good ol' fashioned hatred out there. I have to get to class, so I don't have time to argue this....but quickly,

Thus from its very beginning Zionism was a result of Anti-Semitism and indeed is completely compatible with it, because Zionists and anti-Semites had (and have) a common goal: To bring all Jews from their places of domicile to the Zionist state, thus uprooting Jewish communities that had existed for hundreds and even thousands of years.


This is completely wrong. Zionism as a result of A-S? Well, yes, can you blame them? Yet the two are not in any way compatible, Zionism is protection against anti-Semitism, it reached its culmination after the Holocaust when the Jewish Nation(not race) saw that they couldn't count on other countries to defend them, it was up to themselves.

This entire article is misleading and erroneous. It comes from a very small percentage of the radical Jewish faith that opposes Israel. Of course, nothing stops these people from living there, participating in government, and taking advantage of government welfare, but hey, let's not name names.

The fact is many, possibly all, of the founders of Zionism were secular Jews, Herzl among them. But this is not an argument about Zionism, it is a Jewish argument. To any orthodox Jew such as the author, people of this outlook, and possibly Reform and Conservative Jews also, are frauds. The blanket association of this with Zionism is completely wrong, there are religious and non-religious Jews alike who pursue Zionism. The Settlers, who I'm not a fan of, are incredibly religious Ultra-Zionists.

Moreover, the most strife brought in Israel is brought not by the secular Zionists, who are willing to trade land for peace, but the Orthodox who believe that the Jews must be in possession of Judea and Samaria in order to bring the Messiah, and who refuse to share. These are the same people who shot Yitzhak Rabin. His assassin was a Modern Orthodox Jew. I write this not to disparage any form of the Jewish religion, I'm quite fond of it myself, but it does take extremist strains and these are where the fault lies.

Resolution 3376 passed by the United Nations in 1975 defined Zionism as a racist ideology in the same league as South African apartheid and Portugese Colonialism. This incredibly odious resolution, which was repealed, was merely the latest step to make anti-Judaism respectable again. Anti-Israeli leaders freely peppered their speech with anti-Israeli, anti-Zionist allegations, often of the worst blood libels that predominated in the middle ages. Even more so, they freely interchanged the words Jew and Zionist. Do not fool yourself as to what you are doing.

This is not a Zionist issue, not an Arab issue, this comes out of Western Colonialism throwing together two groups of people by force. Zionism is not even remotely racist, in none of its doctrines is there any statement to denigrate another group. It is a method of protection, enacted after 1800 years of persecution, where the Jewish people were subject to sudden upheavals of their life at the whim of governments. It is not the only form this resistance has taken, merely the latest. The language of Ultra-Zionists is as harmful as those of Islamic Fundamentalists and all extremist groups. But to label Zionism so harshly is merely a blatant ploy to disparage the Israeli state and the Jewish people, regardless of who is doing it.

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regardless of what you claim is and is not good about zionism, i have seen these Zionist leaders power discussing the issues with Palestinians on the news. frankly the isreali officials came off like straight-up rednecks, actually, i saw no difference in thier attitudes and the racist attitudes i have run into in my life as a African-American from the south. what is even worse, i live in Miami where they even have the gut-nerve to be racist. They are straight-up hypocrites practicing the EXACT gross attitudes that where practiced against some of them by HITLER and his dupes. THEY WILL ALWAYS BE FIGHTING FOR A HOME.

ENOUGH of thy cry for America to support the Palestinians, America is racist too . For america to support Palestinians they would have to be open to the Natives of this country(native americans) reclaiming more of thier land and wealth. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. this is just so gross.

is what i just said, quoted, or posted, "o.k." w/ you solarus?

Allah says about Truth and Falsehood in The Qur'an:
21:18 Nay! We hurl The Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out it's brain, and behold, falsehood perishes! Ah! woe be to you for the false things you ascribe.

Allah says about Moses and Pharoah in The Qur'an:
10.075 Then after them sent We Moses and Aaron to Pharaoh and his chiefs with Our Signs. But they were arrogant: they were a people in sin.
10.076 When the Truth did come to them from Us, they said: "This is indeed evident sorcery!"
10.077 Said Moses: "Say ye (this) about the truth when it hath (actually) reached you? Is sorcery (like) this? But sorcerers will not prosper."
10.078 They said: "Hast thou come to us to turn us away from the ways we found our fathers following,- in order that thou and thy brother may have greatness in the land? But not we shall believe in you!"
10.079 Said Pharaoh: "Bring me every sorcerer well versed."
10.080 When the sorcerers came, Moses said to them: "Throw ye what ye (wish) to throw!"
10.081 When they had had their throw, Moses said: "What ye have brought is sorcery: Allah will surely make it of no effect: for Allah prospereth not the work of those who make mischief.
10.082 "And Allah by His words doth prove and establish His truth, however much the sinners may hate it!"
10.083 But none believed in Moses except some children of his people, because of the fear of Pharaoh and his chiefs, lest they should persecute them; and certainly Pharaoh was mighty on the earth and one who transgressed all bounds.
10.084 Moses said: "O my people! If ye do (really) believe in Allah, then in Him put your trust if ye submit (your will to His)."
10.085 They said: "In Allah do we put out trust. Our Lord! make us not a trial for those who practise oppression;
10.086 "And deliver us by Thy Mercy from those who reject (Thee)."
10.087 We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message: "Provide dwellings for your people in Egypt, make your dwellings into places of worship, and establish regular prayers: and give glad tidings to those who believe!"
10.088 Moses prayed: "Our Lord! Thou hast indeed bestowed on Pharaoh and his chiefs splendour and wealth in the life of the present, and so, Our Lord, they mislead (men) from Thy Path. Deface, our Lord, the features of their wealth, and send hardness to their hearts, so they will not believe until they see the grievous penalty."
10.089 Allah said: "Accepted is your prayer (O Moses and Aaron)! So stand ye straight, and follow not the path of those who know not."
10.090 We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam)."
10.091 (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!
10.092 "This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!"
10.093 We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best: it was after knowledge had been granted to them, that they fell into schisms. Verily Allah will judge between them as to the schisms amongst them, on the Day of Judgment.

subhakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

did anyone see 60 minutes last night?
they had a a seg. on the israeli hit squads.

they showed them in action, too!
dressing up like palestinians (male and female) to infiltrate their neighborhoods, and arrest "suspects".

zionists or jews? which one runs and heads this, i wonder?

subhakallahumma wabihamdika ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa attuubu ilaika

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>ENOUGH of thy cry for America
>to support the Palestinians, America
>is racist too . For
>america to support Palestinians they
>would have to be open
>to the Natives of this
>country(native americans) reclaiming more of
>thier land and wealth. NOT
>GONNA HAPPEN. this is just
>so gross.

While I agree with you on this point, I have to add something else. In the quest for political contributions and the greed to win political office and stay in office, American politicians often become morally blind and support Israel more than Israelis support Israel, many times against the interests of the Americans American politicians are supposed to be serving. I mean, are these polticians supposed to be representing Americans, or Israelis? If not for a few polticians such as Maxine Waters, John Conyers, Jesse Jackson, and recently a CA Republican Dana (forgot his/her last name) who said something like, "We have to remember that the majority of the people killed in the latest MidEast fighting are Palestinians;" if not for these politicians, there would be almost unanimous support for Israel. The only solutions to this problem of morally blind and corrupt politicians, is for 1) a united front of lobbyists who support justice for Palestinians, Arabs and Arab-Americans, African-Americans, Africans, Native Americans, Latinos and Latin America, Asian-Americans, and Asia, to employ similar tactics as the Am. Israel Public Affairs Committe (AIPAC) to offset AIPAC's influence, or 2)a complete ban of lobby groups, which I think would actually allow ordinary Americans (of course they should be politically competent) to run for office.

As for Israel, MOST of the few Israelis (compared to the 375 Palestinians who have been killed) who have been killed in the Palestinian War for Independence aka the Al-Aqsa Intifadah, have been killed because they are in a place where they are not supposed to be (The West Bank and Gaza Strip). What I think should be done is for the Israelis to completely withdraw from the entire West Bank and entire Gaza Strip; the Palestinians should simultaneously, meaning at the same time, lay down their arms (which they naturally would do if Israel withdrew from occupied Palestine). Once these two things are done, negotiations should immediately resume with vigorous intensity and urgency to solve the remaining problems of Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees, water rights, etc.

What I
>think should be done is
>for the Israelis to completely
>withdraw from the entire West
>Bank and entire Gaza Strip;
>the Palestinians should simultaneously, meaning
>at the same time, lay
>down their arms (which they
>naturally would do if Israel
>withdrew from occupied Palestine).
>Once these two things are
>done, negotiations should immediately resume
>with vigorous intensity and urgency
>to solve the remaining problems
>of Jerusalem, Palestinian refugees, water
>rights, etc.


but they keep committing crimes over and over and they get away with it even though the UN resolutions are clear. but since U.S is pro Israel and Israel is not a threat to america, who the fu*k cares about Arabs

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992
Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation""
Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'
Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians"
Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians
Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
(Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 188 - 192)
The following are the resolutions vetoed by the United States during the period of September, 1972, to May, 1990 to protect Israel from council criticism:
....condemned Israel's attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria..."
....affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections..."
...condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians..."
....called for self-determination of Palestinian people..."
....deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations..."
....affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people..."
....endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people..."
....demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights..."
....condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations..."
....condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem..."
....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon..."
....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not
.withdraw from its invasion of Beirut..."
....urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon..."
....condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace..."
....deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal..."
....condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression...."
....denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories..."
....deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon..."
....deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites..."
....condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane..."
....deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon..."
....called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations..."
....urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices..."
....condemned Israel's... incursion into Lebanon..."
....deplored Israel's... commando raids on Lebanon..."
....deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians..."
....deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians..."
....demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada..."
...called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands..."
(Findley's Deliberate Deceptions, 1998 pages 192 - 194)

I'm waiting for the fall of America, because all empires fall, and this will lead to the fall of Israel, which is being propped up by the US....Or America could just admit it's wrong, and make amends somehow by helping out every group of people it has directly or indirectly hurt, from Native Americans, to African-Americans to Palestinians to Vietnamese, to everyone it has ever hurt. Yeah right! So I guess America does want to fall.

"The sickness in Amerikkka has spread to her brain. She is no longer fit to make good decisions. She is completely blind and void of any vision...You should've gave in to nature and to the laws, it's only a matter of time, before you fall...Amerikkka you're down and dirty, you need a bath. So tell your secret agents, don't be paranoid. This wasn't taught by Socrates or Sigmund Freud. This is simply God's work, you can't avoid. Every nation ever built has been destroyed." -Aceyalone