I've been wondering this for a while....a lot of Black kids I know either don't go to college or drop out before they even finish their first year. But why? Is it really our "environment"? our "uprbringing"? Our school system? Why don't go to college in the same amounts as Whites?

Input, please.

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Radiohead-Kid A
Lyricist Lounge Vol. 1 and 2
Tricky-Maxinquaye
Teena Marie-Millenium Collection
Beatles-Revolver
Love and Basketball Sdtrk.(yeah yo, I know I'm late!)
Janet-All for You
Smashing Pumpkins-Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Roots-Do You Want More?!?!?
Bjork-Selmasongs
Portishead-Dummy
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Roni Size-In the Mode (thanks, synomomous!)
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Kelis-Kaleidescope (I LOVE THE NEPTUNES!)
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The shit costs money. Most black folks don't have the monetary resources to afford a college education. Environments are a broad answer because no two colleges are the exact same. Usually, it's the influence of factors OUTSIDE the college environment, academically at least, that lead to dropping out.

Like them posters against alcoholism talking about how "it's ruined more aspirations that calculus, organic chem, and statistics combined".



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nope..wrong answer...anybody who truly "wants" to go to college, can go. maybe not to the college of their choice straight from the jump, but they can go.

The reason Black folk dont go to college is because they have been brainwashed and conditioned to think "its not for me". and the ones who get to college are thrust into a educational and social system that does not reflect anything they are familiar wit. rich white boyz drivin jags as freshmen, and you and ya dawg strugglin to find 50 cents for a damn philly blunt....dammmmnn....

also, the way schools pick who enters has changed..especially in florida wit Jeb Bush's florida one plan. (what the fuck kinda name is Jeb anyway? explain that? Ma dukes named his punk ass jeb) anywayz, the system is designed to keep minorities (including poor white trash) in blue collar positions..

simply put, somebody gotta fry the psuedo "chicken" at KFC..
and Jeb dont wanna do the shit...

besides niggas is satisfied wit a roof over their heads, a 40oz, a bag of weed, and the neighborhood chicken head to fuck.
its sad, but its true. wayyyy to complacent. We simply settle for less.

-Dobiewon K.

he got the idea from his bro Dubya.

Basically the top 10% at any high school gets admission into the state univerisities. So if you go to an all black highschool and do well, you can come to one of the best universities in the country (UT Austin).

It's a good plan, better than the the one they have in place, which is none.

But it doesn't deal with the imbalance in school district funding.

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that shit is far from a good plan....just crumbs off the cake really. thats why they havin such a hard time justifying the shit now. enrollment has not increased like they said, and will not increase. FUCKIN JEB.........HOW THE FUCK WE LET SOME MUFFUKA NAMED JEB IN OFFICE....Naw dukes, change ya fuccin name. spanky, chip, skip, I dont give a damn...just not jeb.

Jeb's real name is John Ellis Bush. They just call him Jeb because of the initials.

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well they need to call the jolly bastard jhonny or somethin. my initials are CAL, but I dont go round tellin folk thats my name.
FUCCIN JEB!!!!!....Parents, dont give ya kid stupid ass nicknames cuz when they grow up the shit sticks and sounds MAD CORNEY AND FUCCED UP.....

but thats besides the point... wait, no it isnt!!!!!!!!

BLACKS DONT GO TO COLLEGE CUZ REDNECK FUCKERS WIT NAMES LIKE "JEB" IS IN POWER!!!


naw, We need a good ol fashioned CLETUS JENKINS in office!!!! or sombody wit da last name Jhonson or Washington!!!!!

>he got the idea from his
>bro Dubya.
>Basically the top 10% at any
>high school gets admission into
>the state univerisities. So
>if you go to an
>all black highschool and do
>well, you can come to
>one of the best universities
>in the country (UT Austin).
>It's a good plan, better than
>the the one they have
>in place, which is none.
>But it doesn't deal with the
>imbalance in school district funding.


The problem I have with this idea is because not all schools are created equal. There are always going to be some schools tougher than others. I definitely know this, as I moved to a couple of different high schools, and I always ended up ahead of the other guys because they were behind on material. Hence, should the top 10% in "failing schools" be put ahead of the pack of, let's say, the 20 percentile of a top prep school?

Maybe up north there would be alot of black majority schools, I doubt if there are that many in Florida, or maybe Texas, outside the metro areas. But like you said, noone has thought of anything else, so I guess it'll do.


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>Hence, should
>the top 10% in "failing
>schools" be put ahead of
>the pack of, let's say,
>the 20 percentile of a
>top prep school?

I don't have an answer to that. Depends on what you want your student body to look like, and whether or not you think class room interaction is important.

At the law school level, places like Harvard and Yale can fill their classes with perfect GPA and perfect LSAT scores easily. Any of the big three could do this, and still have to cut other perfect candidates out. So if you only have 200 seats, but 300 perfect candidates, how do you decide? Law Schools argue that part of your education comes from the interaction with your fellow students. Thus diversity of experience and opinion make for a better law class than do strict numerical measurements.

Law School isn't like college though.

point 2

The system is as fair and capricious as the previous system of GPA and SAT. This just gives the GPA more weight.

>Maybe up north there would be
>alot of black majority schools,
>I doubt if there are
>that many in Florida, or
>maybe Texas, outside the metro
>areas.

There are plenty. But this speaks to the rural latino majority areas as well as the white rural areas. Who traditionally don't have access to a system that they pay for.

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I remember my senior year of high school in WAYNESVILLE HIGH, Waynesville MUFFUKIN MISSOURI(SMOKE 1 FOR ALL MY VILLECATS) and when it was time to send off college apps, our counselors made us give them the applications for them to send off...them shits neva left my counselors desk, and after calling the schools to see my app. status, I just sent my own shit in...

point is, its widespread fucced up shit like the above that discourages and routes blacks to other avenues of life.

We aint suppose to go to college. Just Jail.

I'm at MIZZOU, and it's a couiple folks from The Ville up here in school.




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Culture - it's the real barrier to college. Basically even our professional parents do not do enough preparation for us to go to college.

- no financial saving for college
- no prep courses for standardized tests
- poor schools, or treated poorly in good schools - either by being tracking into special ed, or into athletics
- many of our parents haven't been to college, or were the first ones in the family - no cultural capital. It's quite a thing when your parents have baby pictures of you at the homecoming game of their alma mater. When their parents, and their parents before them all went to college. That level of understanding of how education works in this country can't just be put into a 22 minute sit-com.

- not understanding money

Money is an important issue, but understanding how money works is even more important. There are tons of programs, grants, scholarships, and what 80% of all students use, Loans for college.

But black people, and poor people in general are afraid of debt. When I was a counselor I met a ton of intelligent students from rural areas who wanted to get vocational training. Having gone to college I'm very biased for college (although I've rethought that in recent years). But they were incredibly scared of going into debt.

You can't really explain good debt and bad debt to someone who's had stuff cut off and reposessed. It's beyond their scope of experience.

peace
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>You can't really explain good debt
>and bad debt to someone
>who's had stuff cut off
>and reposessed. It's beyond
>their scope of experience.

that's real...

and the point about culture is important too. If I had a nickel for every person who told me their parent said this: "as long as I don't get a call from the principal & you don't have to repeat a grade, I don't care what you do," I'd be rich.

With that thinking, the value of an education--be it personal or simply the opportunity to better the quality of life--can fall by the wayside.




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>- poor schools, or treated poorly
>in good schools - either
>by being tracking into special
>ed, or into athletics


I go to a private all girls college prep school (wwww.marlboroughschool.org), and I haven't really encountered that. All that matters here are numbers, and if you have them you're straight. It has nothing to do with race....most of the Black girls here are intelligent and are treated as such. Now...I also went to an all white private elementary school--they told me that they didn't think I could get into the school I'm in now because of my math grades--which were teetering between C and C+

and I still got into Marlborough. go figure.

>
>- not understanding money

>You can't really explain good debt
>and bad debt to someone
>who's had stuff cut off
>and reposessed. It's beyond
>their scope of experience.


I understand....I'm a high school junior, so I'm starting the whole college thing...my dad told me that i could only apply to five schools (!) because he didn't think we could get fee waivers (BS!)...and there is no way I can apply to only five schools--I'm working on him though.


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Saul Williams-Amethyst Rockstar
Bilal-1st Born Second
India.Arie-Acoustic Soul
Kingdom come Soundtrack
Fred Hammond-Purpose by Design
Radiohead-OK Computer
Radiohead-Kid A
Lyricist Lounge Vol. 1 and 2
Tricky-Maxinquaye
Teena Marie-Millenium Collection
Beatles-Revolver
Love and Basketball Sdtrk.(yeah yo, I know I'm late!)
Janet-All for You
Smashing Pumpkins-Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Roots-Do You Want More?!?!?
Bjork-Selmasongs
Portishead-Dummy
Tricky/DJ Muggs-Juxtapose
Roni Size-In the Mode (thanks, synomomous!)
Gangstarr-Full Clip
Kelis-Kaleidescope (I LOVE THE NEPTUNES!)
Tribe Called Quest-Anthology
Breakestra-Live Mix Vol.2 (if someone can find me a copy of Vol.1 in the US, I will suck their toes)
Smashing Pumpkins-Adore

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>and I haven't
>really encountered that.

Many of us have. Even though I knew things weren't equal, it's opens your eyes to go see it first hand, and talk to the folks who are in those predicaments.

> I understand....I'm a high school
>junior, so I'm starting the
>whole college thing...my dad told
>me that i could only
>apply to five schools (!)
>because he didn't think we
>could get fee waivers (BS

5 colleges...That doesn't even cover all the ivy league choices, or all the best colleges in whatever field you're looking into.

At least double that number. I had some of those opportunities but I didn't know enough about it, to be really about my business.

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..that's what I'm trying to tell him....he's like, "FIVE SCHOOLS! ONLY FIVE!" "Their called fee waivers." "FIVE!"

I currently have ten on my list, only one of which is an Ivy League(Penn)--and i think that's fine....I don't really want to apply to more than ten--I know girls who applied to 30--besides, I'm only going to one.



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(minus Welcome to Detroit by Jay Dee and Quality Control by Jurassic Five...I'm movin on up (c)
the
Jeffersons)

Saul Williams-Amethyst Rockstar
Bilal-1st Born Second
India.Arie-Acoustic Soul
Kingdom come Soundtrack
Fred Hammond-Purpose by Design
Radiohead-OK Computer
Radiohead-Kid A
Lyricist Lounge Vol. 1 and 2
Tricky-Maxinquaye
Teena Marie-Millenium Collection
Beatles-Revolver
Love and Basketball Sdtrk.(yeah yo, I know I'm late!)
Janet-All for You
Smashing Pumpkins-Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
The Roots-Do You Want More?!?!?
Bjork-Selmasongs
Portishead-Dummy
Tricky/DJ Muggs-Juxtapose
Roni Size-In the Mode (thanks, synomomous!)
Gangstarr-Full Clip
Kelis-Kaleidescope (I LOVE THE NEPTUNES!)
Tribe Called Quest-Anthology
Breakestra-Live Mix Vol.2 (if someone can find me a copy of Vol.1 in the US, I will suck their
toes)
Smashing Pumpkins-Adore

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I loved this especially:

> It's quite a thing
>when your parents have baby
>pictures of you at the
>homecoming game of their alma
>mater.

The rest of your comments were right on as well.

Alek


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Sounds wack but true. Actually it should say, Money, Drugs, hoes. I go toi Howard University so I should know about black people not going or dropping out. THose people who get high every day, wont be here more than two years. TThose kids you see spending there refund checks on New J's and ice berg jean suits, dont last long. And them cats who all they think about is fuckin chicks, drop out. Thats the bottom line. Money, Drugs and hoes. If we found some way to to supress them, we'd run this muthafucka. They say Clinton was a s close to a black president as we'd get, what did he do in the white house? Get his dicked sucked. Shit real.



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>Who is to blame for this
>ideology that many young blacks
>buy into? Why in
>institutions where growing intellectually is
>the main objective we're still
>thinking simplisticly?
>
Dawg.....if I had the answer I'd be rich and so would everyone else at my school, cuz I'd turn them around.
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>White supremacy and racism were thrust
>upon us - we didn't
>invent them. We're just by-products
>of the worst aspects of
>them. Rebuilding the Black community
>will involve gaining control of
>our own education, economics, and
>law enforcement. -Chuck D "Rap,
>Race, and Reality"


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JZ, Nelly, Cash Money......on and on.

All these cats talkin about what got; people, at least in out here in LA, think that if you don't have rims on your car or $400 dollar shoes you ain't shit. These kids see all that and they want it as soon as possible. I remember in my highschool (a public school in LA) a new Civic wasn't nothin, you gotta at least put some 17"s on it! It's instant gratification, and 4 years of college is not instant.

I was watching one of those court shows one day and there was this little kid, twelve or thirteen years old, that got caught selling crack. When the judge asked him about it, he said "I'm tryin to get paid!"

I know that's not the whole problem, but I think it's definetly a factor

...why do Black people stay and finish college? Who are those people who matriculated and graduated and what was their purpose? Even before post-secondary school, many Black youth drop out. The keyword is VALUE. Kids know when school and books are substandard. They know when the teachers they have to see every day con't care about their development or well-being and they know when teachers burn out. For those who do complete high-school, investing thousands or dollars in college is a hard thing to do unless they have goals.

I went to a private art college in Brooklyn and the middle of a Black community. I was on full scholarship so I did not have to stress over tuition ($$$). There was a large group of Black students, mostly commuters who matriculated part and full time. We found ways to bond and support each other but a few still dropped out. When my friends dropped out it was because of the money. They all felt they could put their money to be better use and did not value their college education.

When I started selling several of my paintings in my freshman and early sophmore year, I considered dropping out or taking a break to focus on art making (and selling). I talked to a teacher I respected and he gave me a good reason to stay in school. Soon after I found my purpose, I had a vision and a long-term goal that gave me a reason to stay and move on to grad school.

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why do alota the blacks that go to college turn around and forget who the fuck they were when they graduate and get that plush job job? They come round and look down on everybody who aint take the same rout as them. instead of lookin down, they should be an example, and take an active roll in helpin others get where they at...ol snobby ass cracka-niggas....dont scowl, yall know exactly wha da fucc im talkin bout......

Smoke one wit ya dawg...

oh, I resent that shit bout "THose people who get high every day, wont be here more than two years"

I know what ya talkin bout, but shiiiiiittttttt...if anything they will be there more than 4 years, but they gonna be there...
Im livin proof....proud of my 4 years and countin baby!!! I aint payin shit back for them loans till im done, and that aint nooooo timmmmmeeee soooonn.....luvin it.

I feel you on that! I blaze almost every day and I have a 3.4; It is my fifth (and final) year though.

in a lot of circles there isn't a high value placed on higher education...
most kids don't come from homes where the parents have been to college hell most parents havent' finished high school...
you have to look at the reality of some kids in order to understand...
because it can't be money...the money is there going unused...
it must be something social...
also look a a child's role models...
that plays a part also...


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Lack of preparation...money...bad educational systems prior to college, lack of sound role models, ability to make the sacrifices. Some whites begin practicing taking their SATs in 5th grade. I have a book to share on how to prepare African-American children for college. I post tomorrow.


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I used to wonder this myself until I switched High Schools my Jr. year, we moved and there was a reshaping of the school districts. So instead of the typical Upper Middle Class public/private schools I'd been attending my whole life, I went to a school that was about 80% blue collar. A lot of these kids (white) didn't go to college either, (it's significant to note that poor whites and poor blacks attend college at about the same rate 56% & 57% respectively - according to a USA Today Article..I'll dig it up later.) They didn't go because for a lot of reasons:

#1. Their parents didn't go, so it placed a cultural barrier that it made it seem as if it wasn't a part of their reality and/or that it was only for rich people.

#2. Money, a lot of them were afraid of debt and weren't aware of the resources available to them. 80% of all students are on some financial aid, so people didn't realize that only the top 15% of wage earners or so, can really afford to pay for college out of pocket. Therefore, borrowing money and drumming up grants was an issue for the majority of students.

I had a friend ranked 4 in my class, he (and 7 others out of the top ten) never attended college, afraid of the cost....even though 4 years at the state school (which they could all get into) would only cost them about 12k for tuition....which is CHEAP as far as college goes......12k was one semester where I went to school.

#3. Not sure of how to start, to some of us.....sending out applications, taking the SATs and filling out financial aid forms is foreign to some people.

#4. It's esoteric, it's not really graspable, it's unfamiliar. It seems far off and not easily attainable. Think about it, no one in your family has gone to college, you know few people who have and you're school isn't focusing on it. You're not going to have as much impetus to go as someone like myself who see his parents degrees on the wall, hears about it, knows few adults who didn't go and has the fact the he's going pounded into them by his parents.

Basically, my parents didn't really give me (or my siblings) a choice of going or not. I could choose WHERE to go, but not if I was GOING to go. Just ask my Brother, who got smacked up side the head (twice) when he proclaimed to the family at dinner that he didn't think he wanted or needed to go.

In the end, it comes from your family and your environment and what the norms are. If going & graduation from college is the norm, you're almost sure to go....if it isn't you probably won't go and you may not finish.



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yeah, college dont mean everything. Plenty of folk in unemplyment lines wit diplomas. but what college does is equip you with tools to make a living and put you in a job. Plenty of dumb ass muffukas in college. plenty.

to make it without a college education you have to have ambition and drive. You dont have to have so much of that with a diploma though...

so going to college (as fucked up as it may seem logicly) is taking the easy way out.

yup.....sure is.

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>to make it without a college
>education you have to have
>ambition and drive. You dont
>have to have so much
>of that with a diploma
>though...
>
>so going to college (as fucked
>up as it may seem
>logicly) is taking the easy
>way out.

are you taking into consideration that amount of ambition and drive needed to consider going to college? you make it sound as if everyone has this wonderful opportunity to go to college ...


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well, I see finishing college not so much as an ambition thing, but a follow through thing. yeah, it takes hard work and dedication to finish, but college is still pretty much a "charted route", whereas someone who doesnt go to college has to shuffle their cards, and be a lil more creative and ambitious to find the avenues that lead to personal success.

my aunt for instance. she aint go to college, but she shook shit up till she owned her own beauty parlor and was able to be self employed...that is ambition.

then you got my uncle, he went to college, finished with very lil ambition,like "whada fucc do I do now?" and ended up gettin in some shit.

its like, your trained to go to school for the first 20-somethin years of ya life, so thats all you know. should you choose to go to college and finish, you simply continue on the route set for you. if you decide to stray, in order to be successful, you must have genuine AMBITION AND DRIVE....

hope I made my previous ignant ass statement a lil clearer.

Dobiewon K.

you're still trivializing the ambition needed to GO to college and to graduate ...

and i'm not talking about some well off family that's had a long history of college, i'm talking abotu my view as a person who has had to struggle to work in the 12 years leading up to college, and has been working my ass off in college


>well, I see finishing college not
>so much as an ambition
>thing, but a follow through
>thing. yeah, it takes hard
>work and dedication to finish,
>but college is still pretty
>much a "charted route", whereas
>someone who doesnt go to
>college has to shuffle their
>cards, and be a lil
>more creative and ambitious to
>find the avenues that lead
>to personal success.

not true. do you have any idea how many people drop out and/or are kicked out of college, especially in the african american community? there was a time at brown university when 1/4 of trhe african american male population was at least on serious warning (meaning one more fuck up and you're out). don't get it twisted, it is a bitch to finish college, especially when it's so easy to just leave and stil make it in life

>
>my aunt for instance. she aint
>go to college, but she
>shook shit up till she
>owned her own beauty parlor
>and was able to be
>self employed...that is ambition.
>
>then you got my uncle, he
>went to college, finished with
>very lil ambition,like "whada fucc
>do I do now?" and
>ended up gettin in some
>shit.

well i'm sorry that happened for your uncle, but you need ambition to make it IN college as well as out of it. not everyone in college takes full advantage of its opportunity, just like not everyone not in college takes full advantage of certain things. in short, it depends on the person ... your aunt would have been succesfful if she went to college cause of her ambition, and your uncle most likely would have failed even if he didnt go to school

>
>its like, your trained to go
>to school for the first
>20-somethin years of ya life,
>so thats all you know.

guess what? not everyone is. there are people that work their ass off even though they don't have to (read: a good chunk of the minority population that attends college)

>should you choose to go
>to college and finish, you
>simply continue on the route
>set for you. if you
>decide to stray, in order
>to be successful, you must
>have genuine AMBITION AND DRIVE....
>
>
>hope I made my previous ignant
>ass statement a lil clearer.

not really.

i don't agree with this oppositiion that you are creating. i place more emphasis on the person, not the situation. thus, someone like your aunt will find a way no matter what, while your uncle wouldnt


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good reply....

made me sit back and think for a sec.....I neglected to take into consideration the people who struggle to even get to college. no, when I wrote that, I was thinking more along the lines of why high school seniors and so forth dont go...I neglected to include those who have experienced the real world and have struggled to go back and get their education...for that truly takes ambition.

I was thinking about the kids who go to college simply cuz that is what they feel they are suppose to do. And forgive me for my flawed line of reasoning, but unfortunately those are the type of people I come in contact with the most, and I see my thoughts have been somewhat "tainted" with my experiences with them...

but thanks for giving a different view...

however, for the people that I had in mind, I still go by what I wrote up there.....shits real.

WHAT!

College is surely not the easy way out, it may not be a guarantee that you'll always be employed, it won't gurantee that you'll make a lot of money, but it for damn sure isn't an easy way out.

Some people don't major in things that equate to high paying careers, sometimes you get laid off due to economic downturns...but since that happens to everyone, I'd rather get laid off with a degree, because I'll have more options. But that's just me.

Another thing to consider is that the ceiling for college graduates (in terms of maximum income) is much higher for then for non graduates.

What college does is equip you for specific careers (medicine, law, psychiatry, accounting, engineering, etc) and in general, you can make more money as a college graduate then a non college graduate.

But, it doesn't mean it's an easy way out or that it's for lazy
people. You want to make it through college you need to work and if you want to make it afterwards...you DEFINITELY need to work hard.

That's what separates those that go to college and do marginally better then non graduates or just do ok, and college graduates that do really, really well. HARD WORK, knowing how to take advantage of opportunities and even a little work. BUT, luck can't help you if you don't work your butt off.

I'm a professional and almost all of my friends are college educated professionals, as are all of my colleagues & business associates/aquaintances.

On average we work 50-60 hour weeks. A typical day starts around 7 and ends around 5:30-6:00, we have to keep up with changes in the industry by reading when we get home and we sometimes have to do work on weekends.

Vacations? You're joking right? I haven't taken an actual Vacation in 2 years. Looking at my friends from college, I think one of us took a week vacation...but it was the only days he's really had off...and he's been at that job for 3 years.

College, No College....it doesn't matter. You want to succeed? It's a simple formula:

Hard Work + Smart Work + Knowledge to Seize Opportunities + Constant Learning = Success. Add a little luck to and you can succeed big.

College the easy way out, that's a joke......the last time I put in a 40 hour week was when I had my wisdom tooth pulled thursday afternoon and took the rest of that day and Friday morning off.


Peace,




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for the community

- the blue collar mechanic with ASE certification and his own shop

- or the sociology major who works at the department of transportation?

I think college is important. I think money is important. But they have different values.

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I got a better question...(damn it's been a long time since I posted)... Why do black college kids either go to college and stay for six years and never graduate, or they get out an go work for someone for the rest of their lives or until they get laid off. By this time they have incurred so much consumer debt (credit cards, car notes, mortgages) that they are in a state of financial hemorrage (sp?). Why don't more of our people take up entreprenuership as a career. There are so many things to benefit from by taking that route (I could go on and on). In my opinion, if your not trying to do your own thing, you are adding on to the piss-poor state of black folks. What happened to taking a stand on how our dollars are being earned or how they are being spent. I am 22 years old and I am in better shape financially (including my brokerage accounts and investments) then every black 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60 year old I know. The sad thing is that I have only been out in the real world for five months. It doesn't make since for someone to work for A's in high school and college only to get out and surrender all of your academic and financial asets to someone else for their gain and profit. That doesn't make since to me at all. Although I never liked college.

-Musha
(Old North Holdin' it...)

>In my
>opinion, if your not trying
>to do your own thing,
>you are adding on to
>the piss-poor state of black
>folks. What happened to
>taking a stand on how
>our dollars are being earned
>or how they are being
>spent.


you really have to have the gumption to be able to start up an entrepenurial business .... while i do believe that we need more of these, especially in the black community, your opinion is pretty harsh. after all, do you really want every black person that goes to college to go that route, even if they wouldn't really want to ?


I am 22 years
>old and I am in
>better shape financially (including my
>brokerage accounts and investments) then
>every black 20, 30,
>40, 50, and 60 year
>old I know.

see this is where i get confused, because i can be in great financial shape (probably as you are) and not go the etrepenuer route ... am i an exception? is your goal to have black people be in that level of control (cause we all know how many etrepenural attempts go down the drain) or to have blacks in the best financial situation possible?

i'm all about balance

>It doesn't make
>since for someone to work
>for A's in high school
>and college only to get
>out and surrender all of
>your academic and financial asets
>to someone else for their
>gain and profit.


i have a friend that has just graduated with a masters in electrical engineering (as i will in 03 - only 2 more years!) that gets offers left and right ... many of my friends who have graduated from college aren't stuck into taken what's given to them; they have the power to demand what they want. and if a certain company can't give it to them, they have the ability to leave and go to another one, which makes the company all the more willing to work with the graduate.

i don't see it as surrendering academics cause this is what you use in your job (to me, college is more about teaching you how to think than what to think), and definitely not finances in all cases cause i'll be damned if i won't leave a company that i feel is not paying me what i think i'm worth

That
>doesn't make since to me
>at all. Although I
>never liked college.
>
>-Musha
>(Old North Holdin' it...)


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-The financial management issue, affects most middle class Americans...it's just a bigger problem for Blacks.

It's not just about enterprenurship, remember most Businesses Fail. It's about handlin yo' bidness, financially. If you do that, you can become financially sound even if you have a job. People who aren't sound financially, got that way because they don't know how to manage their finances, not because they work for someone else.

Even if they have their own Businesses, they'll manage their money the same way.

Being able to manage your money, is more important then were it comes from.

True Story:

A friend of my mentor, worked for GE for 24 years......started as an Intern back in the 70s. From day one he maxed out his 401k contributions, kept an eye on it and managed it wisely. Eventually the value of his 401k hits 1.4 million dollars, he adds up the value of his house, bank accounts, brokerage accounts and IRA and realizes he's worth well over 2 million bucks.

He quits his job because he realizes that 1/2 way decent asset management, he can have a 6 figure income after paying the capital gains tax, just off the interest and appreciation of his investments.

He gets bored though, starts half heartedly looking for a new job. Asking a ridiculous salary, (and to have Friday's off) just for fun......eventually, someone makes him an offer.

So what happens when manage your money right?

You don't have to live like a pauper either, just live beneath your means.


Anyway, I'm preaching to the choir here. I'm just like you with my loot, I've got months worth pay saved up, loot chillin in brokerage accounts and I make it a point to live well....but below my means. Something I learned from my Pops.

Something else I learned from him, (and I practice) is to work for someone and then have a small business on the side. The job pays living expenses and you use the business for investment money and savings... and to tide you over if you get laid off.

Blacks need to learn to be financially savvy more then learning enterprenurship. Otherwise, they'll work for themselves and still be in debt.



peace,




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Higher Ground - Preparing African-American Children for College.

Author Leah Y. Latimer has documented many of the obtacles/barriers of why some blacks are not going to college. The book is designed for parents/counselors who don't have a clue to those parent who just need a little guidance. Some of the topices covered in Part One of the book are:

Early Awareness
The Value of a College Education
Different Kinds of colleges
What colleges look for
Reading, Writing and Ebonics
The importance of Algebra
Computers vs. Video games
Gettal Along in a Multiculture World
The Acedemic Playing field (What other peoples kids are doing)
Afirmative Action
Paying for college
Being Involved: The "Cute Years" and Beyond

Basically, you need to begin planning for your childrens future before they are born, but it's never too late to get started. I plan on going back to college after my daughter enters her junior year of high school.

I encourgage all Black mentors, parents, sunday school teachers, preachers, students, coaches, and concerned members of the majority population in the U.S. to read this book. It can be purchased at www.allblackbooks.com for $12.00.

The only way out of poverty is through education and education begins in the home.





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Higher Ground - Preparing African-American Children for College.
Author Leah Y. Latimer has documented many of the obtacles/barriers of why some blacks are not going to college. The book is designed for parents/counselors who don't have a clue about how to prepare their kids to succeed in the education system...to those parent who just need a little guidance. Some of the topices covered in Part One of the book are:

Early Awareness
The Value of a College Education
Different Kinds of colleges
What colleges look for
Reading, Writing and Ebonics
The importance of Algebra
Computers vs. Video games
Gettal Along in a Multiculture World
The Acedemic Playing field (What other peoples kids are doing)
Afirmative Action
Paying for college
Being Involved: The "Cute Years" and Beyond

Basically, you need to begin planning for your offspring's future before they are born. It's never too late to get started. I plan on going back to college after my daughter enters her junior year of high school.

I encourgage all Black mentors, parents, sunday school teachers, preachers, students, coaches, and concerned members of the majority population in the U.S. to read this book. It can be purchased at www.allblackbooks.com for $12.00.

The only way out of poverty is through education and education begins in the home.



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Im wit you dawg...entreponigga shit....yup....git ur own cheez.
thats the only way the revolution can be fought.

through DOLLA SIGNS!

i'm sure someone's said this already.

even though "the media" (c) chris rock tells us that you can't do jack shit w/o a college degree, a lot of families still feel that the most important accomplishment in a kid's life is finishing high school. or staying alive long enough to finish high school. or finishing high school w/o becoming a parent.

i'm sure some parents use the "i didn't go to college and i turned out fine" routine. but i also think that if you want your kid to go to college, you gotta be ready to support them mentally and financially. yeah, you're paying my tuition, but if you're giving me the "i don't know why you think you need to go there anyway" line, i'm gonna be less motivated to finish...even if it's not my money at stake.

just sayin'.

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most families have so much to worry about that college is the last thing on their minds

college is not the end all solution that some people tout it to be, but it can help if the person is willing to work with it

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but I'm not sure that the percentage of Black who go to school is any different than the percentage of Caucasians.

I'll see if I can find some data.

Peace

Wendell

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A lot of peoples, don't have the money. I myself had to get a loan just to put myself through school. The sad part is, this semister, I am not doing well at all. Its not like I can't succeed but its been a bad year. Although I go to a community college, I end up having to pay a lot of money to attend. Its sad that in order for a person to get a good education they have to pay tution ranging from $1000-7000. Sad Eh? I wouldn't say its 'black kids' either, I've seen and met a lot of people that can't seem to keep up. I know people that want to drop out now,
for these reasons:

A: To expensive
B: Unable to find a field of study.
C: Failing.
D: All of the above.

PS: Forgive me if I am snapping at you, but
I am royally pissed about the education system right now.




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man, I got kicked outa school...once for academiks, and one time I just sat out a semester so I wouldnt get kicked out again...the shit is an adventure! you just gotta stick wit it, keep ya hustle on the side.

alota people go to school and think that they are doing what they need to succeed. the diploma will get them a plush job job and all, and they gonna be straight....then they graduate, and because they aint been on they hustle game, they either cant find a job, or find a job lower than their expectations..

ITS A TRAP....dont matter if you in school or not, still gotta get ya hustle on......

BY ANY MEANS NECCESSARY.....

that's real, gotta keep the hustle on degree or not, constantly looking for new ways to improve yourself physically and mentally

while the degree does make it easier to get access to certain environments, laziness will close that access off with the quickness

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Honestly, my number one policy is quality
never sell my soul is my philosophy" - Binary Star

Check out this link:

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2001/digest/dt207.html

It will show that our perception of ourselves is wrong. We make up about 12% of the population and 11% of the students enrolled in post-secondary education programs.

In other words, our numbers are in preportion to our population.

Black kids do go the school.

Peace

Wendell

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